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On Tuesday, the New York Times announced that Quinn Norton, formerly of Wired, would be their new “lead opinion writer on the power, culture and consequences of technology.” Later that evening, she was out.

Why? Because as it turns out, Norton likes to hang out with Nazis, including Andrew Auernheimer, better known as “weev” — the notorious internet troll and white supremacist.

Should you be unfamiliar with his ways, here is a thing he once said, while trying to organize his fellow Nazis to show up at Heather Heyer’s funeral:

All I want is to see [Jews] screaming in a pit of suffering on the soil of my homeland before I die … I don’t want wealth. I don’t want power. I just want their daughters tortured to death in front of them and to laugh and spit in their faces while they scream.

Charming, no? If you can listen to that and not feel sick, there is something wrong with you. This is not an opinion about tax cuts, it’s violence, and actual genocide instead of the kind they always say is being done to whites. It’s psychotic.

This is not a case of someone simply having had a friend from “the past” who later turned out to be terrible. I’ve been there, you’ve been there, we’ve all been there. Norton was friends with “weev” and others while acknowledging that they were, in fact, white supremacists.

She was such good friends with him, in fact, that she once stated that she could not write objectively on him.

I must say at once that this man is someone I count as a friend. I have written him and sent him a book, which I doubt he has received. He has spent much of his recent time in solitary, and is being punished with various forms of isolation available to his captors. I can’t write about my friend’s incarceration with detached journalistic distance. I won’t pretend to, nor even that the laws he is convicted of breaking are neutrally distant things. They are laws that have dogged my life and my community for years, incoherently and violently striking down computer experts like car accidents or cancer. They are a hated and random fate.

Norton has defended her “friendship” with Auernheimer by noting that she doesn’t share his politics and thinks that “white folks need to engage with the racists in their life.”

I agree with that to a point. It is, I think, the job of white people to help make other white people better and less racist.

There is, however, a wide, wide world of difference between Andrew Auernheimer and the average person’s racist uncle. Maybe it is still possible to reach your racist uncle, or your Trump-voting uncle who doesn’t think he’s racist but is mad that no one ever talks about black-on-black crime. Unlikely, but possible. Also you’re related to them and probably have to deal with them at family functions. It’s different from trying to talk to people you knew before they started developing these ideas. Going out into the world and being like “You know what? I’m gonna go and befriend some Nazis” is a different thing altogether. It’s not collecting your cousins, it’s saying that wanting to murder Jewish people isn’t a thing that turns you off quite enough to not want to hang with someone. And that is fucked up.

And sometimes, the only thing you can really do with your racist uncle who refuses to listen or change is to say “You know what? Your views are so appalling to me that I do not want anything to do with you anymore. Your views have cost you our relationship. Think about that, and if you change your mind, feel free to get in touch.”

This is not like being friends with a Republican, this is not a mere difference of opinion — this is like being friends with an unrepentant child molester or serial rapist or murderer, and being like “Oh, well, that’s just one facet of who they are! They totally have redeeming qualities, even if they are constantly talking about how much they’d love to molest children or how they enjoy setting orphanages on fire.”

It’s also clear from Auernheimer’s behavior that his “friendship” with Norton has not, in any way, tempered his views. They’ve been friends for years, so whatever she’s supposedly doing to “engage” him is clearly not working. That, however, didn’t matter to her because he and all the other neo-Nazis she hangs with wouldn’t want to throw her into the ovens anyway. Because they are friends.

How convenient!

The Times has said they didn’t know about Norton’s friendship with Nazis prior to hiring her, and they did dismiss her as soon as this was discovered. However, the fact that they were unable to discover this and a bunch of people on Twitter were does not give one confidence in their journalistic expertise. If you’re going to hire someone to write an opinion column, these are things you should probably look into.

Norton is really just the latest in a series of questionable opinion columnists hired by venerable publications in the name of “balance.” Last year, the Times hired conservative climate denialist Bret Stephens, which gives the false impression that not believing in climate change is a reasonable opinion to hold, which it is not. They employ Bari Weiss, queen of bad takes, who recently responded to criticism of a tweet she made that incorrectly implied that Olympic figure skater Mirai Nagasu was an immigrant (she is not) by suggesting that such criticism heralded THE VERY END OF CIVILIZATION.

For its part, the Washington Post has recently hired Megan McArdle, known for hot takes on things like how living in a building made of flammable materials with no sprinkler system was simply a reasonable “trade-off” for cheap housing — referring to a building in London that went up in flames and killed 71 people.

Having an opinion column in a major paper like that is a big freaking deal. Having a job where you give your opinion, in general, is a big freaking deal. It’s a reward, really. Not everyone in the world can have that job. The choices a newspaper or other media outlet makes in giving that platform to people must be responsible, and not just done in the name of some “both-sides-ism.” Surely there are tech columnists who are not actual friends with Nazis. Surely there are conservatives who can manage to be conservative without denying science. Surely there are conservatives who can manage to be less flippant about 71 people burning to death. If the New York Times and the Washington Post want to have some conservatives on staff, that’s fine! No one is saying that their opinion columns must lean entirely to the left — but they do need to be more serious about who they give that platform to. Before you start sending all your NYT and WaPo subscription moneys to Wonkette.

Full disclosure: I interviewed Norton for a 2017 Bust Magazine article about cybernetic implants.

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  • Ellie

    Sooooo…..all that gay people, black people, Jewish people, etc., have to do for the Nazi scum not to kill them, is be their friends? Who knew it was such a simple solution?

  • La forza del resistino

    Good on NYT. Whenever news like this hits, know there is a nazi somewhere in their singlewide, calming themself with a dip of Skoal and a Colt45 biggie.

  • gnomemansanisland

    Say, you know who else had that haircut?

    • janecita

      Richard Spencer?

      • coozledad

        Reinhard Heydrich?

    • ArgieBargie

      *frantically heads to the barber*

    • BearGHAZI

      40% of 20-something males in urban areas?

  • ArgieBargie

    That haircut should’ve been a giveaway.

  • armed_bears

    Is it possible, and I am just asking if it is even possibly possible, that society places too much faith in the amount of wisdom to be derived from millennials?

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      I think it’s less because the wisdom is there, and more that we desperately rely on it because the wisdom of preceding generations is so manifestly lacking.

  • MANGO CRIMES
  • Awww isn’t she inclusive like all them libtards preach about!?!?! Next you’ll be telling me I shouldn’t punch nazis either!

  • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

    I’ve mentally gone back and forth about this since I saw it on Slate. On the one hand, yes, engagement with White Supremacists can actually have good results: see that one black dude who’s made it his life’s mission. Befriending white supremacists, I feel, isn’t *inherently* wrong.

    But as Robyn points out, here’s the rub: “It’s also clear from Auernheimer’s behavior that his “friendship” with Norton has not, in any way, tempered his views.” It’s like what happened with Dr. Melfi in “The Sopranos”: she realizes that not only is therapy not fixing Tony Soprano in the slightest, it’s actually making him a more efficient criminal. And in the same way, Norton is providing cover for an unrepentant white supremacist.

    Some of these people can be saved. It can be done, if that’s your goal. But as she portrays it, she’s not his friend for that reason. It’s more like a troublesome quirk, or weird thing he does. And its almost impossible to escape the impression that she’s so forgiving of his racism and hatefulness because it has not yet impacted her personally.

    • Truly “engaging” is difficult (even dangerous) work. It can yield results. Look at the guy that engaged with a member of the Phelps family/Westboro Church, and wound up helping her and her sister to leave, and wound up marrying her! But engagement involves both listening to and challenging people about their beliefs and statements. It’s not about look how cool and edgy I am with my Nazi friends.

    • Cornelius Fussbudget

      I’m not sure if you approached a Nazi with this goal, you’d count him as a “friend” exactly. Not until he had started to repent. Nor would you necessarily have “various” other Nazi friends. Plus you wouldn’t really refer to them as your “community”.

      They are laws that have dogged my life and my community for years, incoherently and violently striking down…

      It’s like those Charlottesville statue enthusiasts. If you stand next to a Nazi and defend them, sorry if you disagree, but you’re a Nazi.

  • La Cieca

    The good news here is that Norton can return to her smash hit one-woman show “Judy Davis in The Last Days of Hitler.”

  • janecita

    OT, I can’t take any person that walks around with a gigantic ash cross on his forehead, seriously.

    • Ellie

      I can, because if I were able to get out, I’d have one. OTOH, the person with the ash cross would have to be proving to me that s/he knew why it was put there, before I would take them seriously – talking about you, John Michael Mulvaney.

      • janecita

        Dude, but you aren’t on CNN trying to convince people of whatever your party is selling!

        • Ellie

          I want to throw Mulvaney to the ground as wash his face with yellow soap.

          • janecita

            I hold him, you soap him.

    • J. M. Tusks, Esq.

      Churches have evening masses on Ash Wednesday. But it’s nicer when you get in done in the morning, so everyone can know how pious you are.

      • Lascauxcaveman

        I had a lenten tradition before my kids when off to college: when my Catholic wife and daughters came home from their Catholic school on Ash Wednesday, I’d be waiting for them with a damp cloth and say “Eh, you’ve gotta bit schmutz there on your punim, bubbe; let me get that for you…”

  • MANGO CRIMES
    • janecita

      Isn’t that called slavery? What the fuck!

      • MANGO CRIMES

        “what the fuck” indeed!

      • Lascauxcaveman

        We prefer the more dignified term, “Indentured Servitude.”

    • NastyBossetti

      I have my own immigrant already. So… how do I reap economic benefits from being married to someone from a different country?

      • janecita

        Be quiet, don’t give my husband any ideas.

        • NastyBossetti

          Apparently, I have to give my husband a room in the basement and pay him less than minimum wage to walk some dogs. That sounds like it COSTS money. Hopefully, your husband wouldn’t go for a deal like that.

      • Lascauxcaveman

        My wife and her brother had an immigrant to take care of them when she was young. Did all their cooking and cleaning, bathed them, walked them to school, etc. It was her mom.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      How long before the Supreme Court decides that the Constitution’s protections don’t apply to non-citizens?

      In other words, how long until immigrant-slaves?

    • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

      Okay, so now we’re going to abolish the 13th Amendment. Swell.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      I can only hope that this was written in a Swifitian vein.

    • janecita

      They changed the headline to “Sponsor an Immigrant Yourself.” The story is still beyond vile though.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        This very concept was how slavery got started in this country.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Yo, Shy, if you’re on an internet break from driving the Wonkmobile…

      I can’t see Mango Crime’s post. AT ALL. Which I assume was something screen captured and uploaded. Have tried refreshing, reloading…zilch.

    • Marceline

      I’m not buying an immigrant. I’m going to buy myself one of those precious out of work coal miners that we’re supposed to care so much about and make him scrub my floors with a toothbrush.

      • King Beauregard

        Goddamn, you do the best job of pushing ordinary words around into extraordinary sentences.

      • FlownΩver

        I’m gonna buy me a bulldog – watch my lady whilst I sleep.

    • NastyBossetti

      Is this like… indentured servitude?

      • MANGO CRIMES

        No! It’s totally different, it’s indentured servitude with libertarian buzzwords added.

    • Cornelius Fussbudget

      I read that headline, and assumed it was snark. I was very, very wrong.

  • This reminds me of that time on The Mary Tyler Moore Show when Mary made a new friend who turned out to be rabidly anti-Semitic, so Mary “engaged” with her by pretending to be Jewish, and then dumped her. Quinn Norton is NO Mary Richards.

  • AJ Milne

    The timeframe kinda sticks out for me…

    Hired Tuesday at 14h ET… fired Tuesday 14h05 ET…

    … the reflection occurring: technological change is deep in the mix, driving the crazy higher, faster, crazier, right now. Handful of reasons, piled on top of accumulated errors of previous decades and centuries, and bills coming due, but everything changing, constantly and fast, it doesn’t really help…

    … anyway: somewhere in the print version of Asimov’s Cosmos there was this near throwaway thing, describing a galactic civilization (ours) at a stage of technological advancement now essentially asymptotic…

    … the corollary that should have occurred to us: at this stage, the derp would follow a similar curve.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      The arc of the universe is long, but it bends towards derp.

    • coozledad

      the reflection occurring: technological change is deep in the mix, driving the crazy higher, faster, crazier, right now

      Futurism has always been about Fascism. They’re both cults of the gloss of mass manufacture, speed, efficiency and violence. There’s a glut of James Damores, and the NYT wants to sell them shiny toys.

  • arglebargle
  • OutOfOrbit

    purdy sure the Times know about her from the start, they just didn’t expect her to be outed to bigly as a Nazi sympathizer

    • coozledad

      The Times is going to keep trying to get more Nazis. It’s their business plan.
      They just want a soupcon of plausible deniability

      • Edith Prickly, Stable Genius

        Bothsider-ism uber alles.

        • aureolaborealis

          I read this in Jello Biafra’s voice.

  • Edith Prickly, Stable Genius

    People are still paying Megan fucking McArdle for her brain droppings? Fucking hell. I’ll be under the covers eating discounted Valentine’s chocolates.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Any random commenter (except for TLM) at Wonkette would be better than McMegan. And much more deserving of compensation, too.

  • coozledad

    Nazism is nihilism. It is not a point of view. It is an admission of failure of intellect and soul. It is the abandonment of the entire world in the service of death, it is a desire for death and murder on a scale which presupposes that ordinary, decent beings would be doing right by taking you out of the human equation. It’s the desolation of the thrill killer coupled with the rank imagination of the natural subordinate.

    If you are friends with a Nazi, you’re on the wrong side of everything, and you should find a way out; any way out.

    • Toomush Stability

      APANITF!…

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Superb vetting by the Vichy Times.

    Whoever made the decision to hire this woman should be fired.

  • Everrett Fanuelli

    Her Hitler hairdo is making me feel ill.

    • gnomemansanisland

      few can pull that look off

    • RickyG

      Bet she has his soul patch on her cooter.

      • RickyG

        er, ‘stache.

        • like really RESISTLY GHERKINS!

          Fash Stache for the Gash

  • the leopards will never ever in a million years ever never eat my face.

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    Pay attention MSNBC. It’s one thing to have Republicans on to defend their views on policy. It’s a whole ‘nother thing to have Republicans on to defend Trump’s outrageous bullshit.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Lackwit is paying attention- just coming to the exact wrong conclusions

  • SayItWithWookies

    Tonight, if it’s a clear and moonless sky, I’m going to find a clearing away from city lights and watch the careers of Nazis intersecting with the mainstream media as they briefly whoosh into and out of existence.

  • RickyG

    I hated Megan McArdle before it was cool.

    • johnnyknj

      Remember how Tbogg used to flame her? Good times.

      • Hobbes’ like, smart Evil Twin

        Taibbi, too, until he crawled up Putin’s ass. Too bad about that.

      • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

        McArgleBargle’s idea of “frontier living” was a target-rich environment.

    • Bitter Scribe

      That stuff about the lethal fire in London was not even the most ridiculously offensive thing she’s ever written IMO. It would be impossible to top her advice that the way to deal with school shootings is to train elementary school pupils to rush gunmen en masse instead of cowering under their desks.

      • RickyG

        But she sparks debate vomit!

    • An Outhouse for the résistance

      I know we shouldn’t comment on people’s looks, but she always looks like she smells bad to me.

      • RickyG

        I’ll allow it.

  • CO

    Maxine Water’s victim takes issue with firing a Nazi. Go figure
    https://twitter.com/Wilson__Valdez/status/963629982156312578

    • so, his argument is the same as the one of Woody Allen apologists?

      “one trivial snippet” in context sounds an awful lot like “but he molested her only once”.

      • Nockular cavity

        “But you fuck one goat…”

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      So unfair! Other than that, Mrs Lincoln, how was the play?

    • coozledad

      He knows from breakneck speed. Maxine crushed his cervical vertebrae the way some people would snap the fat end off a piece of asparagus.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Please show us on the dollie where Maxine ripped you a new asshole.

  • It’sWhitneyBitch

    Is she honestly so dense that she doesn’t understand the only REASON she’s friends with them is because she’s white (and, presumably, not Jewish)?

  • Marceline

    Is it any surprise anymore that 53 percent of white women voted for Trump?

    • Toomush Stability

      It was always a surprise, and a damn surprise, and a shame, a damn shame, I don’t think a lot of those women were woke, but a lot of them damn sure are now…

    • janecita

      Not to me. I know a lot of those women, they are proud of their racism and their self hatred.

      • J. M. Tusks, Esq.

        “Don’t try to understand women. Women understand women, and they hate each other.”

    • Ellie

      Yes, but only because it always comes as at least mild surprise when women choose to do things that are absolutely against their own best interests.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        So they’re no better than the men who also do that…

  • jaspersdad

    WTF NYT, first a climate change denier, now this loathsome twat.

  • Zippy W Pinhead
    • Ellie

      Very interesting.

  • Mr. Blobfish
    • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

      “Lieutenant! Your helmet, remove it!”

  • La Cieca

    What is perhaps most disturbing about this (and there’s plenty to go around) is that it’s not at all clear that Norton has any political point of view at all. It seems like she has hung out with Nazis and called people “f*ggot” and all the rest purely to seem edgy and therefore to advance her career.

    I’m not sure which is worse, that the NYT would hire someone with abhorrent views on race, or that they would hire so transparently narcissistic a careerist.

  • AngryKatie

    I’ve dropped friends because they refuse to stop being assholes to waitstaff.
    Really can’t get my mind around maintaining a relationship with an unrepentant nazi.

  • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

    No one’s saying she can’t be friends with a Nazi. What we are saying is that she can’t be friends with a Nazi and avoid being criticized or having opportunities denied to her because of that friendship. And that’s not counting her frequent and free use of homophobic language in her tweets.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      We’re saying that continuing to be friends with a Nazi shitstain who says things like that out loud puts your judgment in a very bad light and makes anything you say questionable. Normal, decent people do not maintain friendships with Nazis

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Not to mention frequent use of ni*CLANG* without the bell.

    • FREEZE PEACH!

  • Dutchman

    Pretty sure that Quinn needs to eat a Snickers bar. Lookin’ mighty hangry in that picture.

  • WiscoJoe

    I’ve given up on the NY Times’ opinion page (with the exception of Krugman and occasionally Blow). If the NY Times isn’t going to take their opinion page seriously, why should I?

    (Pro-tip: Hiring people just because they’re contrarian or shocking or “raise questions” is what reality TV does. Call me a triggered liberal, but I guess I expect higher standards from the alleged paper of record. Maybe that’s just me…)

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      “contrarian or shocking or “raise questions” is what reality TV does.”

      It is also the basis of trolling, particularly with clickbait. We’ve legit turned into a society of trolls and hot takes. God help us.

      • jowgajen

        It’s also what human children between the age of 15 and 17 in response to raging hormones and authority issues. It’s not a good look for a purported adult human person.

      • WiscoJoe

        Exactly. Seeing as how cash-strapped the newspaper business is, they could save a lot of money on troll columnists and just publish a handful of 4chan comments for free.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Douthat is kinda reasonable sometimes.

      • WiscoJoe

        “Kinda reasonable sometimes” is good enough for the guy sitting at the end of the bar muttering to himself. Call me crazy, but I expect a bit more from highly paid writers with a national platform.

        • Lascauxcaveman

          There are so many dumb, uninformed, halfway-thought-out viewpoints in this world. The Times is just trying to give space to them all.

          And they also publish Krugman, so we’re good, right?

  • ResistanceFictionista blondeiq

    Dear wonderful Robin: thank you for giving me the perfect language to use when divorcing my brother-in-law. He won’t care, but it will make me feel better to say it.

  • TJ Barke

    All I want is to see [Jews] screaming in a pit of suffering on the soil of my homeland before I die … I don’t want wealth. I don’t want power. I just want their daughters tortured to death in front of them and to laugh and spit in their faces while they scream.

    Wow. Punching is not nearly enough.

    • Ellie

      But, it’s only because they aren’t his friends…

  • OneYieldRegular

    Call me crazy, but I sorta think that before one decides to become friends with a Nazi, that person should acquire a pretty good idea of what Nazism is.

  • jowgajen

    I don’t know whether I’d classify this lady’s politics as conservative exactly — they just seem like hot mess of unconsidered nonsense. Oh wait, I guess that fits the current iteration of conservative?

    Mostly she comes across as a not very thoughtful or decent person. You’d think that would be a job qualification they would screen for at the New York Times, or even at the Arby’s down the street.

    • thixotropic jerk

      “Vould you like a sieg heil mit dem fries?”

  • Bitter Scribe

    This IMO is just a manifestation of the whole issue with Trump supporters. Even if they’re not racist themselves, racism is not a deal-breaker for them. Such people used to be called “fellow travelers.”

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    This is what happens when you decide to run your editorial section as clickbait hate-read magnet. James Bennet got hired to increase eyeballs on ads and he has chosen to do so by hiring trolls to piss off the NYT’s readers

    • But why not? That’s how they’re running NYT Politics, and that’s ostensibly news.

  • aureolaborealis

    Medium: It’s like news and opinion, but without any of the pesky editorial integrity.*

    I saw something interesting someone posted there months ago, enabled notifications, and ended up getting regular teasers for barely literate self-published Trump and Nazi apologists. I disabled notifications and now run screaming from any link to Medium. This story does nothing to change my opinion.

    * So … it’s like self-published NYT?

  • Blanche de Shambles

    Oh, and she went and got a fancy New York haircut and everything…

    • Fashy.

      • NATOist

        Dying your fashy haircut pink doesn’t make it liberal.

    • MynameisBlarney

      It’s the new Chelsea Cut.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    Hell, I have a friend that voted (reluctantly, he says) for Trump, and identifies as a libertarian/Republican. I sometimes have a hard time keeping from calling him up and screaming at him that he needs to leave his disinformation bubble or lose me as a friend.

    But a Nazi? Oh hell no. That’s easy. Not welcome in my house, on my property, or anywhere near my kids. And I would not express these views to them in a way that anyone would mistake as polite.

    • Dutchman

      I get a few beers in and start muttering under my breath while reading some Trumpian crap, which almost invariably results in Ms. Dutchman saying “Don’t you dare call your idiot brother right now”.

    • IMPOed

      Libertarian = Nazi
      Republican = general Rat Fucker

  • Me not sure

    I can just see her sitting around the kitchen table with her “friends” on a cold winter night playing a rousing game of “Monopoly:Holocaust Edition” and downing steins of St. Pauli Girl, while Richard Strauss plays softly in the background.

  • mardam422
    • Me not sure

      I wondered about that when Cohen opened his stupid trap. I’m sure that she will shop her story around before speaking, because payday.

  • aureolaborealis
  • msanthropesmr

    As far as I can tell, this Quinn person was some kind of moronic nerd journo with no discernable qualifications except for how she dated some dude who committed suicide after some sort of computer fuckery.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      I liked Quinn much better as an Eskimo

      • msanthropesmr

        Come on without. That’s my motto.

        • Toomush Stability

          Oh, that’s a different Mighty Quinn, you’ll not say nothin’ bout?…

      • Me not sure

        Come on!

      • The Wanderer

        But Quinn was boring. Every time he got here, everybody wanted to doze.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          Or dose, as the case may be

    • Lil’Evil

      Aaron Swartz. The fuckery was pretty astonishing on the part of the Feds.

  • Crystalclear12

    NYT stop drinking the Fox koolaide.
    Giving them hand jobs doesn’t make you “fair and balanced”.

  • Anna Rompage

    In other words, Quinn is just Milo Yiannopoulos, but with a vag….

  • WiscoJoe

    Just making sure everyone saw this, because holy shit it’s spot on and hilarious:

    “I Am the Very Model of a New York Times Contrarian”

    https://slate.com/culture/2018/02/i-am-the-very-model-of-a-new-york-times-contrarian.html

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      lol, many upfists for that

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Shared to faceblorg. Благодарю вас.

    • msanthropesmr

      Slate is a fine one to talk. They tried to rehabilitate Nickleback.

      • WiscoJoe

        Full disclosure: This is the first time I’ve paid attention to Slate in… ever?

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      • I remember this. About the time I said I ain’t reading this shit no’more!

      • Dutchman

        And I’ve heard that they like canned clams….it would be irresponsible not to speculate.

      • Gayer Than Thou

        But they have not, as far as my research* indicates, tried to rehabilitate canned clams.

        *One Google search.

  • Kurt Weil

    She looks just like the woman I met on Stormfront.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Wut

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Oh, Jeese. You mean you can’t even ironically be BFFs with a Nazi now?!

    • Right? How are people supposed to know I’m the REAL inclusive person around here?!?!

    • Anna Rompage

      I know, right?

      My cousin might be getting out of prison sometime in the next couple years, and now I’m going to have to deny him a spot at the thanksgiving table, all because he’s in a white power gang in prison, and has killed people, just because of the color of their skin…

      • janecita

        I thought that you were Jewish?

        • Anna Rompage

          I am, he’s obviously not…

          He’s from my dad’s side of the family. They’re a bunch of white trash fuck ups…

          • Lance Thrustwell

            You can tell him there are just some people who can’t enter your house – Zoroastrians, Macedonians, white supremacists, etc. (but you can lie about the other ones).

          • Toomush Stability

            We don’t let the man in the long black coat in anymore, either….

          • Anna Rompage

            All are welcome, but the white supremacists….

            Technically I’m only 25% jew or so. My maternal grandmother was jewish, but married a gentile. Mom also married a gentile, and I grew up in a agnostic, non-practicing household

      • Dutchman

        Well bless his heart…..

  • IMPOed

    They knew, they just didn’t think they would get any blowback, WRONG!!

  • Nockular cavity

    I’m glad the Karma Police finally got her, because her Hitler hair was making me ill.

    • Me not sure

      Needz moar mustache.

  • Ruhe

    My first reaction this morning was a knee-jerk “whoa, shouldn’t we study this some more?” I read the bit about “I believe all people are redeemable…” and was sort of stuck on that. But Robyn has done the work and gathered the textual evidence. Case closed.

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    Maybe Weev is just economically anxious. Someone should interview all the people in his hometown…

  • Gee, Your Hair Smells Horrific

    “The people I call friends are far from perfect. Jim is borderline alky, Linda used to be a porn star, and little weev wants to see Jews tortured and screaming in a pit of suffering. Ha ha! They are surely a motley crew.”
    Uh–go to hell, lady.

    • eggs ackly-wright

      Wacky and full of hijinks.

      • Naytch

        This Fall on Fox!!

  • mardam422

    Bari Weiss? I loved his rendition of “Can’t get enough”. Who knew the gang he was in in his teens was a gang of nazis?

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Did he sing Bari Tone?

    • eggs ackly-wright

      Isn’t he the guy on that storage unit show?

  • guppy06

    For fuck’s sake, when did rabbites become associated with Nazi’s?!

    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/mana/images/c/c8/Rabite.png/revision/latest?cb=20090319143253

  • Indiepalin

    All people is You people.

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    School shooting in Florida

  • Crystalclear12

    Quinn, honey, if people are saying you’re an evil enabler and the only people who say aren’t are Nazi assholes then you have lost the argument.

  • LadyLaz

    No, sorry. No.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Why the fuck would anyone want to be friends with a God damned Nazi FFS?

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      share hairstyle tips?

    • A Groucho Marxist

      They have the best meth.

    • Exchange milk recipes?

    • yyyaz

      To maintain their oh-so-fucking-edgy persona. Because there are no consequences for being a world-class douchecanoe. Until you get fired.

    • Me not sure

      Well…they do have good dental hygiene compared with the KKK.

    • susan_g

      If you are an insecure girl who craves attention, you will get it from alt nazis as they do not usually have an opportunity for contact with women. .

  • NATOist

    Woman with a fashy haircut, Nazi friends, and racist posts is mad she was fired for racism.

    • MynameisBlarney

      2 things racists hate.
      1. POC
      2. Being called racists.

    • Me not sure

      The internet has ushered in the dawning of the infocalypse.

  • Edith Prickly, Stable Genius

    So hipster Nazism is a thing now? Noted.

  • Crystalclear12

    You are judged by the company you keep.
    (Sorry, Mom climbed out of my mouth again.)

    • Blackest Noobs

      you are not wrong, you are judged by the company you keep, you hang with fucking Nazis…well, guess what, you’re a fucking Nazi

    • OutOfOrbit

      And if you sleep with dogs…

      • Toomush Stability

        you get up with fleece?…

      • eggs ackly-wright

        You move on the bitch.

        • Andy

          But can you get there?

      • Jack Has a Memo!!!!

        . . . then you have dogs?

      • C.W. St. John Nobbs

        At least one part of you is going to be a)overheated, and 2) stationary until the sweet doggo moves.

      • You’ll stay warm?

      • eggs ackly-wright

        Three dogs in one night?

        • therblig

          years ago, we had our 3 dog – 4 cat nights. very toasty, if somewhat claustrophobic.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      sounds like something Mike Pence would say

      • Crystalclear12

        And now I am stuck with that image.

  • therblig

    i just want to go on the record that my graying white guy eyebrows have always rejected nazism and take a dim view of stalinism. if that costs me my job, so be it.

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      Our instructor in my grad class last night noticed how most of the students really do not like Ronald Reagan, “I’ve never seen s much hatred of a past president, but I guess his policies are screwing over your generation.”

      No shit.

      • yyyaz

        Now, if only all his idiot venerators would somehow evaporate into the ether.

  • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

    All I want is to see the full multi-ethnic people of the United States dancing in the streets in bliss before I die … I don’t want wealth. I don’t want power. I just want their children to live without fear and suffering in a country that accepts and nourishes them and to laugh with them as they live joyfully.

  • La forza del resistino

    She does take one scary photo. Have seen sweeter photos of Eva Braun or Magda Goebbels

    • OutOfOrbit

      It’s that mono white wall that creeps me out.

      • La forza del resistino

        ok. I can’t get past the archvillain eyebrows.

  • so, Columbia from Rocky Horror Picture Show is doing the Time Warp with the Nazis now?

  • Msgr_MΩment

    WHO HAS THE FUCKING POPCORN??!!!
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43055995
    Stormy Daniels is no longer bound by a non-disclosure contract after Mr Trump’s lawyer admitted he paid her, manager Gina Rodriguez says.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Frankly, I don’t think she was bound by it in the first place: NDA’s are usually for business agreements.

      • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

        It was a “business agreement”.

        ;-P

        • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

          Only in Nevada.

        • Hemp Dogbane

          Only business periodicals were employed in carrying out the terms of this agreement.

      • NATOist

        They can be easy to punch through with the right lawyer.

        • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

          Or any lawyer, if the whole NDA is bullshit (which, if Cohen drafted it, it probably is). You can’t just write up an NDA, give a person a bunch of money, and then say “Don’t talk about [X] ever”: it only operates under specific circumstances, and almost never when the NDA is applying to someone who doesn’t/didn’t work for you.

    • Victoria Ricola

      I really need to know if she can sue Michael Cohen for breaking the NDA? Doesn’t that go both ways?

      • Msgr_MΩment

        As I said before, a proverbial hooker lawyer with a heart of gold.

      • Toomush Stability

        Lawyers are such altruists…

    • OutOfOrbit

      I bet she’s shopping high bids right now

    • C.W. St. John Nobbs

      How do these people manage to sidestep the little pile of dooky, then proceed to take a giant shit in the middle of the room and walk right through it? I’m at the point now that I am incredulous that these chuckleheads remember to put on clothes before going out in public.

    • thixotropic jerk

      Who cares what the Whiny Orangina Babby does since he keeps getting pass after pass after pass! When any of the shit he continuously flings finally sticks to him then I’ll take notice. But him shtupping a porn star will barely even register.

    • MynameisBlarney

      I’m thinkin mebbe she’s just the latest “SQUIRREL!” to distract eyes from the russia thing.

    • 🍁 Secret Society Girl Guide 🍁

      Give it up for Lent?

  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    The only good Nazi is a…can’t finish this without violating the non-commenting rules.

    • MynameisBlarney

      I’ve said that frequently and never got a warning.

      But, yes.
      What you said.

    • La Cieca

      “an unemployed Nazi.”

  • The correct answer to the statement of “Just because he wants to commit genocide of some groups doesn’t make him a bad person” is “Yes, yes it does.” Not “He’s OK except for that.”

  • Monsieur_Grumpe
  • Hemp Dogbane

    Alternate explanation: she’s a fucking POS who makes lame excuses.

  • Anna Rompage

    Speaking for fucking hipster Nazi fuckups…

    Milo Yiannopoulos Announces New College Speaking Tour, Starting at UCLA This Month

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      And it will probably end before reaching UCLA.

      But somebody needs attention.

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      Yeah. About that. It’s titled something like “9 things I hate about Mexico”. In LA. The guy wants protests and trouble and controversy. The best thing that could happen is for everyone to ignore him, although someone did suggest making it a festival with taco trucks Aztec and folklorico dancers.

      • Edith Prickly, Stable Genius

        I’d be on board with that. And a counter-speech called “9 cosas que odiamos acerca de Milo.”

        • As long as he has to pay for the enhanced security and people without student IDs have to go through a metal detector.

  • Jack Has a Memo!!!!

    The Post also has Marc Thiessen and Ed Fucking Rogers on staff. Their little “hot takes” aren’t even good for a laugh anymore.

  • Lyly Sirivong

    Her disagreement with Nazis is very lukewarm…

  • Beelzebubba

    Remember when Michelle Obama was an America-hatin’ commie fascist for tying to get kids to eat their broccoli?

    The ‘budget’ released by the Trumptards in the White House proposes that SNAP participants should be given half their benefits in the form of a box of food preselected for nutritional value . . . and, of course, economic benefit to American farmers Big Ag and their lobbyists. The cache of cheaper peanut butter, canned goods, pasta, cereal, “shelf stable” milk and other products would be selected by the federal government, not by the people eating it. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/us/harvest-box-snap-food-stamps.html
    Freedumbs are for rich people.

    • eggs ackly-wright

      “Harvest Box” = bountiful prize from dear leader.

      • yyyaz

        No NDA, no food for you!

    • yyyaz

      Best thing about powdered milk is “those people” will be mixing it up with tap water. Think Flint, MI.

      • Fire and Fury Demme

        I wasn’t even thinking of powdered milk, (but I’ll bet you’re right), I was thinking of those tetra-boxes, (SO good for the environment) of milk.
        (There will be lots of corn products, also.)

    • 🍁 Secret Society Girl Guide 🍁

      And if you die of a peanut allergy it’s because Jesus hates you for being poor.

  • Cheesus Crust _ Rebel

    OT: School shooting in Florida

    • OutOfOrbit

      Well gun sales are down

      • Snowbound Ron

        If they REALLY want gun sales to go up they should have helped get Hillary into office. Nothing like a D president to goose gun sales.

        • Jon Sussex

          Now you tell me.
          – Ghost of Eliphalet Remington.

        • OutOfOrbit

          yeah but remember, we’re talkin about gun-nuts here

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      Crap I had Colorado for today.

      • Me not sure

        Alabama has let me down again.

        • Ling Ling

          I’m sure you made the right pick, but this wouldn’t be news in ‘bama.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        It’s still early

    • Jack Has a Memo!!!!

      MSNBC is covering that now.

      This has been one fucked up news day, even by today’s standards.

    • Asterix

      Not again.

      Seeing SWAT Team members charging a school; what looks like wounded being treated on a sidewalk.

    • Jack Has a Memo!!!!

      Now is not the time to talk about gun legislation.

    • dshwa

      Are we great again yet?

    • Victoria Ricola

      20 injures so far and still an active shooter per CNN.

      Fuck.

    • Jack Has a Memo!!!!

      12 school shootings, NOT including this one, this year alone. Jesus fuck!

    • NastyBossetti

      CNN is reporting that police have a tank onsite. Wtf?
      “Dozens of police vehicles are on site, including one tank, along with a team of heavily armed law enforcement officers.”

      • yyyaz

        One-officer SWAT fucker holding a loaded assault rifle aimed at kids as they march out, single-file, hands upraised. Disgusting.

        • NastyBossetti

          Those poor kids. I can’t imagine how terrifying that must be.

    • gallbladder

      Still too soon to talk gun control?

      • Jack Has a Memo!!!!

        “Thoughts and prayers” from the GOPers.

        • Snowbound Ron

          If they even hear about it.

      • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

        Not until Sol burns through all it’s hydrogen.

        • gallbladder

          I sense it’s gonna be a while, then.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        ALWAYS

      • Steely_Fan

        Batboy implied it when he stepped to the mic (paraphrasing) “There’s a time to talk about law enforcement and mental health…” but he stopped and let the “but it’s too soon.” be understood. Even Batboy knows that shit is tired.

    • Asterix
      • MynameisBlarney

        That might mean there’s more than one shooter.
        Or a police overreaction.

        • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

          Yes, because the need a tank to?

          Help me out folks.

          • Ling Ling

            San Diego Tank Man only crush cars.

          • MynameisBlarney

            No idea really.
            I don’t think that cops should have military equipment at all.

          • Nockular cavity

            Because school shootings always involve RPG and mortar fire, duh.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            because otherwise responding to school shootings would be a tankless job?

          • Steely_Fan
          • eggs ackly-wright

            Steven Seagull might show up.

          • yyyaz

            Instill proper respect for their authoritah!

        • Jack Has a Memo!!!!

          I’m seeing “Shooter still at large” on MSNBC.

      • Skwerl the Taco Hunter
    • Jack Has a Memo!!!!

      I am really fucking tired of footage of children marched outside with their hands over their heads.

      This is not fucking America!

      • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

        Unfortunately it is.

        • Jack Has a Memo!!!!

          This shit needs to change.

          Insecure white dudes with penis envy need to stop destroying the world.

          • 🍁 Secret Society Girl Guide 🍁

            Eh, but that makes you a dime-store Freud according to insecure white dudes with penis envy. At least that’s the diagnosis I got from a bunch of non-commenter trolls elsewhere when I pointed that out.

    • Bemused

      Doesn’t matter. We let a dude shoot middle class white kindergarteners and didn’t do anything about it. After that, it was clear no amount of shootings of anyone would make them change their minds.

      • Meccalopolis

        Connecticut sure did something about it but blue state so…

    • Jack Has a Memo!!!!

      Calm down now! I’m sure no guns were harmed.

    • Jack Has a Memo!!!!

      White male, maroon shirt?

      • eggs ackly-wright

        Kept to himself, mostly. Quiet guy.

      • Meccalopolis

        so, mentally ill lone wolf

  • Nockular cavity

    You know who else was friends with Nazis?

    • dshwa

      Pope Ratzinger?

    • gallbladder

      Hugo Boss?

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Henry Ford?

    • Monsieur_Grumpe

      Walt Disney?

    • MynameisBlarney

      Henry Ford?

    • MynameisBlarney

      William Prescot Bush?

    • King Edward VIII?

    • jodyleek

      The Mitford Girls? Well, some of them at least.

    • NastyBossetti

      Other Nazis.

    • Cogswell that ends well

      Ate-up Hitler?!? Oh, wait… he was the king Nazi.

    • yyyaz

      Ezra Pound?

    • Kiri the Unicorn

      Charles Lindbergh?

    • Meccalopolis

      donald trump?

    • Nancy Duggan

      Pops Trump?

    • Captain Kraut

      Prescott Bush?

    • HarryButtle

      Rene Belloq?

  • (((fka_donnie_d))), SOB

    Amazing how these fucksticks always preach tolerance for Nazis, but never for BLM or Antifa

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      or even NFL players

  • Bemused

    You don’t just happen to be friends with several Neo-Nazis. The only people who are friends with several Neo-Nazis are other Neo-Nazis.

    • And Olivia Nuzzi.

    • Lil’Evil

      If it is someone you grew up with its pretty easy.

      As an adult I would say its a lil bit harder to become friends with someone that has that kinds of opinions. Acquaintance perhaps not a friend. Then again I put a lot of weight behind the word friend.

  • OutOfOrbit

    NRA!USA!NRA!USA!

  • Bill Diaz

    Ted Bundy was a great guy, smart, charming even good looking if that is your type. Except for all the rapes and murders, he was a great dude!

    The difference between Bundy and this ‘Weev’ jack-off is the crimes they were convicted of, not the sickness that lives within them, nor their cowardice when push comes to shove.

    Have a great day!

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Reinhard Heydrich was a charming, intelligent, articulate man.

      • Kiri the Unicorn

        Goering was a bluff, hearty fellow who enjoyed hunting and fine art…

        • thixotropic jerk

          Just came across Adolph H’s Match.com profile: “Enjoy large rallies, public speaking, hiding in SA, genocide and übermensch. Looking for blonde blue eyed aryan girl to help increase the master race. Don’t have to be a member of my party but you do have to read and enjoy Quinn Norton’s racist apologias.”

          • Vel Venturi

            “Vegetarian. Must love dogs.”

      • Bill Diaz

        Did you ever see the movie ‘Conspiracy’ with Kenneth Branaugh and Stanley Tucci? The movie is a depiction of the ‘Wansee Conference’ and is an amazing piece of film. Mr Branaugh plays Obergruppenfuhrer Heydrich and Mr Tucci plays his ill fated chief of staff Adolph Eichmann in the formulation of the ‘Final Solution’.

        Positively chilling.

        Have a great day!

  • This is where we’re at folks. The president has to come out with a statement that he’s
    “totally opposed to domestic violence of any kind” because the American people weren’t sure where the president stood on the issue.

    If he wasn’t a pathological liar the American people might believe him.

    • Boscoe

      yeah, at this point pressing him for a statement about anything is just for sport.

  • therblig

    What’s it going to be then, eh?

    There was me, that is Milo, and my three droogs, that is Weev, Spencer, and Quinn, Quinn being really dim, and we sat in the Korova Milkbar making up our rassoodocks what to do with the evening, a flip dark chill winter bastard though dry.

  • eggs ackly-wright

    ♫ I’d like to make her
    Do the Nazis on the White House lawn…♫

    • John Thorstensen

      Will there be chocolate syrup involved?

      • Boscoe

        With his daughter… OMG FRANK ZAPPA WAS PSYCHIC…

      • eggs ackly-wright

        Damn straight.

  • jodyleek

    Somebody needs to write and then send this self-help book to Norton:
    “Women Who Love White Supremacists Too Much”.

  • Rebel Scum with permit

    Her friend was a sick, sociopathic 4chan troll well before he got sent to prison and made friends with Nazis. He and his buddies used to enjoy activities like trolling Facebook pages of 15 year old kids who had committed suicide. Charming.

    • Crazt Maist Waizy

      And yet Mark thingy above will continue to insist that she’s ‘one of us.’ She makes me sick quite frankly.

  • Bigby

    Someday very soon the WaPo and FYNYT opinion pages will be 100% wingnut ‘for balance’ (with the ‘fake’, ‘liberal’, actual A-section news).

  • theblackdog

    This is just the tip of the iceberg, Twitter searches dug up so much problematic crap that she never really addressed like at one point when she was calling everyone who disagreed with her a fag.

    What I want to know was did the NYT know about this and hire her anyway, or did they really neglect to take a peek at her day to day opinions?

    • Ninja0980

      Either way, no excuses.

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      I just don’t think they have this newfangled Facebook Twitter, and Instagram stuff down very well. /s

    • Cogswell that ends well

      yes

    • therblig

      (((iceberg))) you say?

      • Boscoe

        ROFL

  • Mavenmaven

    The New York Times wanted a woman writer who was even worse than Maureen Dowd?

    • and then they hired three.

    • GreyWolfSC

      Both sides do it!

    • Steely_Fan

      Tall order, but I think they pulled it off.

  • Hemp Dogbane

    Of all the Infrastructure Weeks this one has been the best.

  • “Unpresidented” Linda
  • goonemeritus

    I have a friend that voted for Jill Stein, so both sides do it.

    • GlazedHaim

      “had”

  • GlazedHaim

    One less disjointed, sanctimonious column to parse on NYT? Fuck. Back to the Jumble I go.

    • mary5920

      NYT should rename themselves The Jumble.

      • Cat Cafe

        Or Der Angriff.

  • MynameisBlarney
  • Garbageman

    I know these neo-Nazi/KKK dirtbags have been around – hiding under their various rocks – since pretty much forever . . . but ain’t it interesting that they’ve suddenly started grabbing a much higher profile in the last year or so? . . . Gee, I wonder why that’s happening . . .

    • 🍁 Secret Society Girl Guide 🍁

      Ironically, Mark Zuckerberg is partially to blame.

  • Jgb979

    Being a friends with a Nazi is not “oh you watch a dumbass news channel and you still think trickle down economics works”. You’re friends with someone who admires the most objectively evil group in history, responsible for mass genocide, torture, and the death of tens of millions all for the glory of racism.

    Being a Nazi is a deal breaker for my continued friendship (as I would hope is still the case for the overwhelming majority)

    PSST: WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING NYT???

    • Boscoe

      Right? I’ve unfriended people for a lot less than being a nazi…

  • Mark Mullin

    Well, at least you did motivate me to finally actually f-ing donate, but you also managed to get your donation clipped. I did a 10 yr TDY in NoVA, and normally find your site a delight. Unfortunately, this time your fingers seem to have started typing before your brain got engaged.
    First, since you most obviously haven’t, read this https://medium.com/message/everything-is-broken-81e5f33a24e1 This is one of her best pieces and has a rather significant bearing on why she is friends with people you (and I) don’t like, and why its a damn good thing for us she is. She is one of the very few people I know who can travel the entire online security space, from the lightest to the darkest hats out there, and she’s pretty widely, if quietly in some corners, respected.
    It is of course ludicrous that the NYT seems to have discovered this at the last minute – Quinn’s stuff is right out there, and hard to miss, even if sometimes you really wish you could. As I said earlier, I can’t stand weev, but I do know the backstory, and I know Quinn has reported on that backstory, and that story is as ugly as weev is. Doesn’t justify him, but there is some value in understanding what you have an urge to hurl a brick at.
    Hence I’m a little disappointed in ya, wonkette. Really really bad job on actual intelligent snarky comments, and I’m not donating any more money if you’re going to transform from gadfly to entertainment. Not why I’m here. Do your g-damn research before you shoot your mouth off. She gets to know these people so you don’t have to, and trust me, in doing that, she has most assuredly helped you. For such a mouth and an attitude, she’s fundamentally a calming influence.

    • therblig

      Not why I’m here.

      why are you here? your comment history (all 14 of them) goes from 4 years ago to 2 years ago to 5 months ago to 6 minutes ago.

      i doubt if the donation talk was real.

      but seeing samples of her vile tweets was enough for me. she can go fuck herself. and so can you.

      • Mark Mullin

        IFF the donation is real then there is an identity associated with it and IFF the identity matches this post then the confirmation is for the people that wrote/posted the article. Your opinion is not required

        And I used my public identity on this – hence your google skills seem to need a little brushing up on – the fact that I don’t use disqus much might mean I pick and choose what I respond to

        And one point I didn’t mention earlier – Wonkette has done a good thing by dropping ads because way too many of them carry malware right now – so it’s a better proposition they have now, even if it took this to get me off my lazy ass and give them some money. And guess who is one of the people who keeps trying to report on that seething cauldron of unpleasantness ?

    • HazooToo

      I don’t particularly want to understand weev. I don’t know anyone who would. But putting weev aside, because I don’t even really care to think about him anymore… Am I supposed to respect a woman who casually tosses off “fag”, “tard” and “nigger” in her tweets, then laughs about how hard it is to remember that those are disrespectful slurs that have been used against real people? I don’t. I don’t respect her for that. I think it makes her a douchebag.

      • Mark Mullin

        Now that’s a poser – fundamentally I agree – as I said earlier, I have seen Quinn tweet stuff that makes my blood boil. I do want to understand weev, and 4chan, and a lot of the rest of that crowd – most importantly, I want to understand what the hell they think they’re up to before I’m trying to figure out what the hell they did. And Quinn makes that possible. Hence I’m obliged to defend her for that. Beyond that, she has my condolences for Aaron. Beyond that, yeah, it’s a bit much at times, and reporting on a cohort does not require you adopt the damn cohort.. My defense of her is not that I champion her. I champion her cause, because if nobody were to do what she’s doing, we lose eyes on the (anti)-prize. Trust me, you wouldn’t like that. Look where we’ve already gotten to with this crap :-(

        • HazooToo

          Why don’t you just go to 4chan, then? Go look it up yourself. Any of us can do that. We don’t need to befriend them to figure out their secrets, they plan this stuff online. Hell, RvaWonk on Twitter had clear receipts from when the first nazi rallies were happing, and people were talking specifically about deliberately provoking violence, ON TWITTER. You don’t need to get in bed with a Nazi to know what they’re planning.

          • Mark Mullin

            That’s precisely why I defend her. Someone has to go do that and report back with the G2. I’d really really rather not do that. I’m not interested in them per se, I just need to know what they’re up to from time to time. Currently, my interests track the meltdown and spectre Intel vulns, the fact that intel borked the patch so bad msft rolled it back out, and I worry much about what that crew is up to, knowing they’ve got a 0day intel seems unwilling/unable to fix.

          • HazooToo

            Surely there’s more than one person researching whatever that is, and if not, then she probably won’t be stopped from posting that wherever will have her. I just don’t feel bad for the lady who calls people “fag” like it’s nothing, because people found out she is friends with people who want to literally torture and murder other people. Like I said: You don’t need to get all cuddly and redeemy with Nazis to figure out their plans. Also: Has she actually ever gathered information that could save lives and then posted it? Or even ruined a Nazi friend’s day by posting their planned marching route, or sharing how much they love daydreaming about Jews suffering?

          • Mark Mullin

            Have you considered that there are researchers that you pay, that do exactly this, and THEN LOSE ALL THE GD INFORMATION OUT THE DOOR WITH THEIR OWN PEOPLE? I support Quinn for one specific thing – she’s knows the whole damn thing is busted and she proceeds from that as first principles. If we had better I’d take it. She is a baby in very dirty bathwater, and I’d prefer not to get cholera. My only reason for the post in the first place was just this – ‘hey wonkers, this is really damn complicated’. I am not asking anyone to feel bad for her, I only observed that it’s not a simple issue. I don’t hang out with 4chan’ers because I have a healthy fear of them and a pretty good idea my principles would make me toast. Somebody’s gotta do it and report back, and she’s been running point for a while. How she does what she does is open to question, but the facts she has reported are not in question, save for the rather abysmal way she sometimes carries on on twitter – and I can’t say for certain in the exact same situation, I wouldn’t confront ‘do it this way or do it not at all’ ‘He went down in smoking ruin’ is not something I want on my tombstone.

          • HazooToo

            She’s not a baby, she’s a grown woman who thinks it’s funny and witty to use nasty slurs. And I still don’t know what she is bringing back from her creep friends that is of any value whatsoever. Do you have any actual examples?

          • Mark Mullin

            Unfortunately yes, but somewhat negative – while I have defended her here, she may have folded to some degree — https://medium.com/message/we-should-all-step-back-from-security-journalism-e474cd67e2fa — as to deeper background,, here’s where I thought it ran off the tracks — http://www.quinnnorton.com/said/?p=644 — back when she was better, here’s a product — https://www.wired.com/2013/03/att-hacker-gets-3-years/

          • HazooToo

            I am sorry that one guy died, the one in the second article, that was very moving. And yes, her computer work does sound very important, and she should keep doing it. What I’m asking, though, is what she’s gotten that’s of any use in protecting people from Nazis.

          • Mark Mullin

            Hell I’d pay to establish the venue for asking that question- it’s a damn good one- not the first time I would have called her out on it either – that said, its an old saw that undercover cops run the risk of going rogue…. its a question of value systems, whose do you adopt, and why. I’ll be honest, I’m too old and chickenshit to deal with that anymore – for myself, ‘what would Aaron think about this’ is a question she gets asked nowhere near often enough – that said, I just defend her because she’s one of the very few that is not too secret or too corporate, and I keep hoping

          • HazooToo

            Okay. I think I understand. You’re really wanting her to get through this because the computer security issue is so important, and you trust her on THAT. I sympathize with you there. Some people I cared about have been disappointing the fuck out of me, over the last few years. It sucks. But she earned this criticism. She’ll survive it, and she’ll carry on with her computer work. And hopefully you’ll find more people who are invested in that issue, who are really good at it, and who don’t make you work this hard to protect them from their own bad judgement. No hard feelings, I hope.

          • Mark Mullin

            You are my new best friend :-) We shall see how she does – you have happily confirmed I did my damn job :-)

          • Crazt Maist Waizy

            What was it you said Wonkette didn’t do enough of research, and then trolled people here because of it? Research?

        • Boscoe

          The problem is that Quinn smeared herself with being a reprehensible asshole in general. If Hannity started investigating nazis, I wouldn’t care either. And I def wouldn’t feel motivated to defend him.

    • Bemused

      I’m not sure how writing a reasonably thorough article on how computers aren’t really secure excuses befriending neo-Nazis. I am a fairly competent computer user with some programing classes under my belt and a non-facebook based social net of sometimes techie professional women. I knew the basics of most of what she wrote. That wouldn’t excuse me from being an awful person.

      • Mark Mullin

        This isn’t about being a user. Fundamentally, it’s about people who got the arpanet working in the ’80s, where the dominant design methodology was ‘OMG – it worked ?!?!?!?! NOBODY TOUCH ANYTHING AGAIN EVER’ Today, people keep driving trucks through the holes we left in the systems and doing unpleasant things. You may know how to use your machine, but I assure you, YOU CANNOT TRUST IT EVER. This is the one reason I am here defending Quinn. Like it or not, she’s one of the best we have right now for understanding mindset and motivation, and that’s key. I’m pissed at Wonkette because they threw a brick at my canary :-)

        With respect to programming classes – check out the recent meltdown and spectre vulnerabilities just discovered, note that the attempts to patch them are so bad that microsoft rolled them in and right back out again and then ask – ‘shouldn’t we have someone trying to report on the other side of the fence ?’ And forget the intel community, they’re probably still pissed they didn’t get to keep that puppy for themselves.

        Reiterating, yes Quinn can be an idiot, and hold public unpleasant opinions. I’m just commenting there are a number of slug weights on the scale and they need to be considered as a total. I don’t even like doing this, but if she gets barbequed and gives up, what will we do if no one else takes up the banner? She’s not the enemy of my enemy, but at least they talk to her and she tells us what they say.

        • thixotropic jerk

          Ok then just for shits and giggles what kind of behavior from her would it take before you decided “Nah, mang I can’t go there with you.” Anything?

          • Mark Mullin

            a better source – and the understanding that if you’re going to report up from those levels, it’s fraught with peril, so I don’t try and evaluate what is persona and what is posture, I’m happy to stay at arms length – I’ve found that can be quite unpleasant enough

        • Bemused

          Why would I trust my computer? It’s full of holes and security theater. Our best security is that there are so many of us.

          I don’t know how “in” she is with the black-hats but the article you linked could have been written by just about anybody with slightly more knowledge than I have. Journalism of all kinds has been awash with people who have sketchy sources but who somehow aren’t sketchy people. Each of us has to decide how much we are willing to compromise in order to get good information. Your bar is different than Wonkette’s is, that doesn’t make Wonkette wrong, it just makes their boundaries different than yours.

          • Mark Mullin

            If the author hadn’t already disclosed they’d interviewed Quinn I’d still have reacted, but not as strongly- my take is that if you’ve got a contact with the subject of your article, pick up the damn phone. If Quinn had responded that weev was her favorite broken toy, well, there wouldn’t be much I could say. That’s pretty much the bone of my contention, as it were. They admitted they had contact and they didn’t even get the subjects point of view, or indicate an effort had been made.

            Interesting view you have on security, as long as it doesn’t end with ‘Why me?!?!?!?!’ In the trade, this is known as ‘security through obfuscation’ and proven to not work. You might want to learn about a program called masscan

          • Bemused

            I promise, I won’t whine if my computer gets eaten. (Well, I’ll whine a little bit). Practically speaking, unless you are running a discreet system, there’s no way to close your system at 100%. If you have basic protections, your best bet beyond that is pretty much luck.

          • Mark Mullin
          • Bemused

            People with direct access to discreet systems are a different problem entirely.

          • Mark Mullin

            once upon a time….

    • thixotropic jerk

      What does her computer tech expertise have to do with her being a Nazi enabler? She’s free to be buddies with whomever nobody is telling her she can’t. But you can’t see the irony of your attempt to influence Wonkette’s writing choices by threatening to withhold your $ unless they hew to what you feel is correct. Fine. Do it. But then don’t expect all of us to follow your lead if we disagree and consider Norton to be a self-important cryptofascist. Not an expert but I’m guessing there are other techies with as much or more of her abilities who just happen to not be nazi pals and entitled douchebags. Why not support them?

      • HazooToo

        I think he’s trying to imply some kind of “know your enemy” bullshit. Really, though, any one of us could just go find them on Twitter or in some slimy hole on Reddit and just watch them be disgusting right there, in real time. It’s not like we need spies in the Nazi ranks, anymore.

        • thixotropic jerk

          I get it but where does one draw the line? It’s like in Saving Private Ryan where they want to do the right thing and let the poor lil Nazi go but he ends up coming back and murdering the jewish soldier. MM can whine all they like about how unfair Wonkette is to Nazi friends and apologists but at some point you end up with consequences for your friendships no matter how many skills you have. Plus “surprise” it seems like her douchebaggery ideas extend beyond snuggling with Nazis. And you’re right it’s not like nobody has a clue where to look for Nazi people just start at the WH or practically any message board they’ll be there soon enough.

          • HazooToo

            The douchebaggery DOES extend, it does indeed. I don’t even want to be friends with HER, let alone her sick little buddies. Luckily, I don’t have to, because I have you guys!

          • Pisto75666

            Forget about message boards, just look at Facebook, Twitter, and just about every other popular social media site. No one has to really look for Nazis. They happily display (and even boast about) their hateful ignorance for everyone to see. Until of course they lose a job or something just as important over it.

          • Mark Mullin

            @thi@thixotropicjerk:disqus Accepted – it’s complicated – wish I had a better answer – I think you see why I had to (grumpily and unwillingly) pipe up. It’s the best I have. I wish I had better. Nice chattin with you minus the barb about wonkette $ – I wasn’t telling them what to say, only bitching about the fact they didn’t move a single shovel of dirt in pursuit of what was what – that said, yeah, whattamess :-) And if I’m going to bitch at them, I hadda pay the piper. I was fair, just not as generous as I would have liked. Worried that I’d believe a post where I didn’t know the backstory is what really drove me, and the vain hope we can do better than Quinn, or she’ll start to remember more of Aaron and less of Weev

          • thixotropic jerk

            We can agree to disagree

        • Mark Mullin

          You can’t just ‘know these enemies’ – these guys hang out on IRC, they’ve mastered spoofing all the systems, and they can maintain a clean TOR profile. Somebody just bitched me out here because I apparently don’t post enough, and I look at as not being imprudent on a giant public bulletin board. If you want to offer an alternative to Quinn I’m all ears, but please don’t offer Krebs. He’s a bloody repeat victim, he has no inside insight – right now she’s one of the best we have other than @erratarob, and you pretty much have to sum those two and divide down the middle. That said, I was pleased to see he also came to her defense today. As long as you get hurt by their actions because you could not predict them, spies are useful.

          • HazooToo

            I don’t even know who Krebs is. I think it’s unnecessary befriending them to get at their secrets, as I replied below. These people have figured out basic computer hygiene, sure, but that doesn’t stop them from trying to be famewhores about their gross “cause”.

          • thixotropic jerk

            I there’s a key difference and disconnect in what you appear to be saying. “We must accept Quinn because look at all this good she does scoping out what Nazis do.” Why purport to be friends with them though? You can’t be a cyber investigatorix or whatever without being best buds with an advocate of genocide? And besides as I said she can’t be the only person who can inform us of those types of activities esp without being a douchebag themselves.

          • Mark Mullin

            It’s a good question – the best I can offer is for you to look at the connection between Quinn and Aaron Schwartz – that’s the best guess I have – it’s just like everything else in life. Bloody complicated.

      • Mark Mullin

        I specifically accused them of poor research into the problem. They’re welcome to prove otherwise and I’ll take my lumps. Facts is facts, and in this horror show, we have precious few.

    • Rebel Scum Puipui

      I work in technology, and I don’t think her work is anything special. And honestly, even if it was, she’s an utter asshole who hangs out with Nazis and sees nothing wrong with flinging slurs on Twitter, which makes her very existence a net negative to society.

      You also sound like kind of an asshole, to be honest, and that part about donating sounds incredibly made up.

      • Mark Mullin

        Well, since you want to talk at me, and you work in technology

        Since you have no way of validating that comment, and you couldn’t effect any change if you could validate it, then obviously that part of the comment wasn’t directed at you. QED. You’re right, I can be an asshole, and I’ll extend it with the observation that your logical reasoning skills would cause me to be concerned if you ever drifted away from populating dropboxes on a screen. In case you forgot from school, start with first principles, and build step by step with proof. Otherwise some asshole comes along and saws the limb out from under you. :-D

        • Rebel Scum Puipui

          I’m sorry, I see now that I was wrong; you’re not just an asshole, you’re one of those condescending assholes who apparently enjoy masturbating to the sound of their own voice. My bad!

          • Mark Mullin

            heh – but I wasn’t condescending….. I was much, much worse….. but life experience says stop now

    • insolenttomato

      HazooToo took the words out of my head. I was also wondering, Quinn’s behavior aside, if there are any concrete examples of benefits her friendships with neo-Nazis have brought about? I read the articles you posted below, and like HT said, they are moving. I’m also sorry Swartz died. Sounds like he was a mensch. I also understand that both you and she care about computer security, which is an important issue. You are correct about that. I also promise not to whine and be stoic-face if I am hacked and all of my information and dirty laundry twist in the wind. What have Quinn’s connections given us, though, aside from two articles she wrote about the personal cost? You point to understanding their mindset. Other people have mentioned that they’re not exactly under white hoods these days. If she’s conducting a deep ethnography of the Nazis and is publishing a “Chrysanthemum and the Rose” style book, that’s great, but it wouldn’t be the first. She also admits that her friendship with weej has prevented her from maintaining even the pretense of objectivity. Has she prevented any bombings, shootings (doubt it), or other havoc? Can she tell us when the next parade is?

      • Mark Mullin

        Unfortunately, this gets too close to a choice between nothing and anything but nothing. I was stuck defending something I don’t like because its better than nothing, and I genuinely believe she’s been oil on troubled waters before. That said, I’m not even in the security business anymore, I am concerned because these antics may have far worse impacts in the future with respect to crazies compromising systems, maybe this in a few years — https://youtu.be/9CO6M2HsoIA I think HazooToo and I ended up on opposite sides but with the understanding the whole damn thing is a complicated mess and we’d all be better off if we didn’t have it in the first place. Best I can give you. My own take is that if you’re going to sidle up to a viper, you are constrained to do things that will not cause the asp to bite :-( That’s the one place I’ll have some level of understanding for her.

  • Meccalopolis

    nazis should be punched not befriended

  • miss_grundy

    I guess NYT HR does not know how to do research on the Internet.

    • Fire and Fury Demme

      Yes they do, but they thought they’d get away with it.
      WRONG!!

    • GreyWolfSC

      They don’t know how to do research on anything anymore.

  • Holly

    Does anybody else think she looks exactly like Brienne of Tarthe? No offense to Brienne.

    • thixotropic jerk

      Not really but she looks exactly like Assinine Von Fuckstick.

    • Lorindel Ó Loingsigh

      Current twitter photo? Nah, she looks like Pepe the frog in a wig hat.

  • Rick Hill
  • onedollarjuana
    • therblig

      at least he knows he’s a monster.

  • Fire and Fury Demme

    Awww…
    Live by the sword, die by the sword, darlin’!

    (BONUS: you know what it’s like to be hired and fired by the NYT.)

  • Uncle Zor

    There they go, fucking up the Overton window again.

  • 🍁 Secret Society Girl Guide 🍁

    I wrote an undergrad thesis on “power, culture and technology.” Nobody ever hired me at the NYT, but then again, I’m not a Nazi, nor do I entertain the idea of being friends with Nazis.

    Then again, I don’t have the confidence to ask them for a job either. I don’t even have the confidence to sign up for a phony pseudonymous Tweeter account, let alone ask the NYT for a job as their “technology opinionator.” Not that I’d even want to now, as their brand has been forever tainted by giving a megaphone to, well, Nazis.

    Ironically it’s because the Internet is so full of Nazis why I don’t have the confidence to socialize on anti-social media. At least I know I’m safe at Wonkette where, not only do the staff hate Internet Nazis, they don’t even allow comments, because that’s like letting Pandora out of the box or the clams out of the can.

  • Boscoe

    I’m trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, but the Hitler haircut keeps making me feel like an idiot…

  • JD Mulvey

    Wtf is Norton jibberjabbering about with the “law that dogs her community” like cancer or auto accidents?

    All that random senseless death her people are experiencing sure sounds pretty bad.

    • UnsaltedSinner

      Laws against hacking and identity theft. They make her really mad–unlike calls to exterminate the Jews.

      • JD Mulvey

        Lol –yes, committing those crimes, being convicted by a jury, and then getting your opportunity to appeal is almost exactly the same as being suddenly run down and killed crossing the street. Tragedy!

        Speaking of appeals, she writes about her Nazi friends’ appeal, which is a process she’s apparently never heard of before, helpfully informing us that it’s “more like an aggressive conversation than a traditional trial.”

        Yet in the same breath she’s snorking aloud at the prosecutors’ use of a slightly different definition of “hacker” than the one she’d prefer.

        The Times missed a bullet this time. The last thing they need is one more pedantic blowhard on their editorial staff. They’ll have to keep looking for their resident millennial to ridicule non-techies in print twice a week.

        • sincarne

          Well, it’s actually not that simple. Weev’s conviction was overturned. He was initially convicted of basically scraping AT&T’s site. In no way did he break in to anything. Aaron Swartz, similarly, was jailed for writing a script that downloaded millions of academic papers to which he had legal access. He trespassed in the process, but the charges he faced were insane compared to any actual crimes. He subsequently killed himself in jail. It is pretty nuts how much harder the law goes after this kind of thing than, say, beating your wife.

          • Rev Magdalen

            He faced SIX MONTHS, dude.

          • sincarne

            The conviction he got from the plea bargain had him facing six months in prison. The Federal prosecution were still pushing for convictions on additional charges after that conviction. 13 additional charges, $1MM in fines, and 50 years in prison.

            Dude.

          • JD Mulvey

            You think they shouldn’t have been convicted. Two juries disagreed. Complain to them, not me.

          • sincarne

            Do not put words in my mouth. That is not what I said *at all*. Your initial post mentioned the laws, not the convictions. I think the laws are bad.

            …I thought I brought up a fair point, and did so civilly. Guess I’ve learned *my* lesson.

          • JD Mulvey

            Hope so.

          • sincarne

            Boom. I’m out.

  • Fitzgerald Chesterfield

    So . . . magnet implants turn you into a nazi-lover?

    • Boscoe

      Maybe she lives next to a cell tower or a power substation?

  • BreakingDeadMen

    I’d say that picture is unfair to the Nazi lover, but she probably thinks she look hawt, so….

    • roberteye

      Well her Twitter handle is “Spock eyebrows” which seems to be a point of pride. It’s like with the Trump administration’s hundreds of inept wackjobs: is the NYT finding it so difficult to find rational conservative writers? And that begs another question –
      Why even bother? Why not just let these conservative/libertarians/nazi curious or whatever the hell they are go write for the NY Post or the Washington Times? Or blog perhaps. These fascists have a whole fucking anti-science, anti-truth network! And Breitbart! Why does the NYT feel the need for bullshit “fairness”?

    • AnneBonny

      Brah don’t.

  • JD Mulvey

    It’s a good thing there’s not an essay in her past advocating building bridges of understanding with Hillary Clinton supporters. Shit like that would truly render her unemployable at The Times.

  • ken_kukec

    “And sometimes, the only thing you can really do with your racist uncle who refuses to listen or change is to say ‘You know what? Your views are so appalling to me that I do not want anything to do with you anymore. Your views have cost you our relationship.'”

    Know whatcha mean. Some of my family hasn’t spoken since the “Zimmerwald Left” walked out of the Second International.

    • Do not get the point of having to be nice just because its ‘family’. Cut bits of my own off years back and never regretted it. No point trying to nail nazis at the table – they feel protected because ‘be nice’ so a big foxtrot uniform to them.

  • Mike

    Normalizing Nazi’s, along with school shootings and a completely corrupted political system…
    That’s the legacy we leave behind … I thought we’d do better than that…

  • Red Bird on a Shithouse

    Jesus Christ. These people are uesless.

    • Carla Vandermeer

      And shameless.

  • UnsaltedSinner
  • 3FingerPete

    I guess she’s just a people person. That’s nice.

  • Lorindel Ó Loingsigh

    Haha… I checked out her twitter feed. Her current photo makes her her look like a photorealistic representation of Pepe the Frog… if he was a woman. Yeah, know what? I don’t care how much she feels a bunch of fucking nazis are worth saving. To remain friends with the Weev after all he’s said and done? This woman is human refuse. Toss her on the pile, I say.

    • Carla Vandermeer

      Making oneself look like Pepe is such a non-nazi thing to do.

  • like really RESISTLY GHERKINS!

    Ben Shapiro got a new look?

  • chronozoan

    I love how she shrugs off the “hanging out with neo-nazis” thing as no big deal ‘cuz THERE HER FRENZ YO

    • Smoke O’Hontas

      #squadgoals?

  • roberteye

    I do have Limbaugh sucking Trump loving wack jobs in my family. The general approach of mine and my other normal family members, since they apparently MUST be around at certain functions, is to simply avoid politics. However, they NEVER do. Spewing their Foxaganda is fine, as they presume opponents are just ill informed, and that cannot stand! But let slip out a liberal sounding comment, and they become furious. It’s the usual RWNJ rules!!

  • roberteye

    Harry Belafonte had the best answer to “both side ism” in 1968, when he guest hosted the Tonight Show for a week (among his guests, MLK and RFK). On the last night he said he was criticized for having only anti-war or liberal guests. Why not representatives from the other side? He said the “other side” is “very well represented [in public discourse], by the White House, and on the battlefields of Vietnam”. In 2018, it’s the White House, congress, Breitbart, Limbaugh, and Fox News. The NYT, like TV, is a constant clash of truth telling vs. their corporate overlords.

  • Desertphile

    That’s odd; I have *ZERO* white supremacist friends and *ZERO* neo-Nazi friends, and I also disagree with them. Gosh, maybe she’s just a moron or a liar.

  • PlutoAnimus

    “Bari Weiss, Queen of Bad Takes”?

    I’m just learning about her. Her piece on Aziz Ansari was clear and strongly reasoned. She spoke most cogently on Bill Maher.

    And now I just read this:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/opinion/im-glad-the-dyke-march-banned-jewish-stars.html?mcubz=3

    She seems pretty sharp, especially considering she’s a conservative.

    Can anybody find something obviously wrong in the NYTimes story I linked? I sure can’t.

    • GaseousAnomaly

      Just this:
      “Why? Largely because of Israel, the Jewish state, which today’s
      progressives see only as a vehicle for oppression of the Palestinians —
      no matter that Israel has repeatedly sought to meet Palestinian claims
      with peaceful compromise, and no matter that progressives hold no other
      country to the same standard.”

      The problem there is, after the Six-Day War in 1967, during which Israel took East Jerusalem and the West Bank, the U.N. Security Council decreed that all occupied territories should be returned, to which Israel replied, “Nuh uh”. Since it was the U.N. that brokered the cease fire to end the war, Israel’s refusal to return the occupied region was viewed as a violation, and still is. That’s what those votes in the U.N. are about, and why, until Preznident Shitferbrains, the U.S. has opted for the “Two State Solution”, which simply refers to the return of the long-occupied territories. If your neighbor were to seize your house, then refuse to give it back when ordered to, then would you be looking for a “peaceful compromise”? Yeah, neither are the Palestinians. They want their territory back whole, not compromise.

      And as for the whole “progressives hold no other country to the same standard”, she must have been under a rock when all the progressives were screaming for the United States to get the hell out of Iraq. So, there’s at least one country held to the same standard.

    • AnneBonny

      Her piece on Aziz Ansari was bullshit. You don’t have to be a mindreader to heed explicit verbal and physical cues of discomfort and non-consent. You have to be exactly as much of a mind-reader as you do to have sex in the first place.

      Read the Lindy West op-ed if you want to read an NYT op-ed on the subject. (“Read that Lindy West op-ed” has never been bad advice.)

    • AnneBonny

      Oh also she’s an Islamophobe neocon who loves to bait feminists and went after Linda Sarsour among others.

      https://theintercept.com/2017/08/31/nyts-newest-op-ed-hire-bari-weiss-embodies-its-worst-failings-and-its-lack-of-viewpoint-diversity/

  • MC Planck

    “This is not like being friends with a Republican”

    Is that… still true? I mean, it’s getting closer. That line is fading every day. I wonder when we all accept it’s just gone?

    • Courser_Resistance

      Over the last month or so, all of my friends have shown me who they are and where they stand. I lost, bigly. But I had a very nice afternoon taking an older neighbor (well, older than me, okay) on errands. He’s a former flight and trauma nurse and just such a gentle, kind man. Since today’s Ash Wednesday and he’s a devout Catholic, we went after he got home from Mass. At our very last stop the young security guard at King Soopers, stopped him to ask about the mark on my friend’s forehead. The young man is Muslim and had seen the older neighborhood folk coming into the store with ash crosses on their foreheads. My friend and I assured him that we were happy to explain.

      Like I said, a really nice afternoon.

      • TundraGrifter

        If you want to make a friend, be one.

        Meanwhile, easy for me to say but if your “friends” showed you whom they really are where they stand and it wasn’t pretty – were they really friends? Would you want them to be friends?

        • Courser_Resistance

          It’s complicated. I got to know them through volunteer work and have become closer over the years. Since our ‘mission’, search and rescue & community support by providing ham radio support and additional eyes for public safety at events. None of it involves politics in any way unless you account for general bitching over lack of funding on the state or federal level (it doesn’t). But over the last month, these ‘friends’ have taken the time to specifically point out to me where democrats are all wrong and one even told me last Thursday night that God himself put Shitgibbon in the White House.

          I keep flashing back on ‘Invasion of the Body Snatchers’ (the older one). All my friends have been taken over by Pod-people. But my neighbor friend isn’t a pod person. He helped me laugh about it.

          • Pisto75666

            I’m honestly really sorry you had to deal with all of that. But I guess, better late than never.

          • Christopher Boscarino

            All the Ham Radio operators here in the Los Angeles area are conservatives. Of course they never discuss politics over the air, but at the get-togethers they do.
            KJ6KIV

      • MC Planck

        I lost two uncles and my dad to the Republicans. I even liked one of them.

        But white men without a college degree simply cannot resist the avatar of White Male Privilege. He’s the One Ring to them.

        • Courser_Resistance

          Well, they’re mostly white women (as am I) but yeah.

    • MC Planck

      OK. sorry, that’s it. Trump just blamed the classmates of the latest school shooter for not stopping the shooter earlier.

      That was the last straw. It is no longer possible to treat Republicans as rational, sane, or good human beings. Anyone who still supports Trump after this is a monster.

      • Carla Vandermeer

        People who supported trump have been monsters or monster adjacent all along.

  • SadDemInTex

    I saw Bari Weiss on Bill Maher and I was extremely annoyed by her stupid shit remarks. BARI WEISS IS STUPID ENTITLED NITWIT.

  • I’m jealous of her, not just for getting the gig but also having a friend. Nazi or not.

    I don’t have any friends. Or a column in the NY Times. (But now she doesn’t either.)

    • thixotropic jerk

      I will happily be your friend*

      *For a small monthly fee to be paid in bitcoin because friendship like freedum isn’t free

      • I’ll give you a cut of my first NY Times column “Hooray for Nazis and Trump, Boo to Climate Change Fake News”

      • blaid droog

        Would you say it costs at least a buck o five?

  • david spikes

    Shorter Norton re John Rabe(and Weev):Pity about the Jews, but just think about the millions of people he didn’t want to murder.

  • Swampgas_Man

    My local paper letter columns are always full of idiots screaming< "THIS ISN'T THE NYT! STOP PRINTING LIBERAL EDITORIALS AND LETTERS!"

    Now it appears the NYT isn't the NYT anymore. Shame.

    • blaid droog

      Plus the times is not, nor has it ever been liberal. The greedy fuckers that own the news services are always focused on the bottom line. Money has a right wing disposition.

  • TundraGrifter

    The NotSo Mighty Quinn.

  • Friday’s_cat

    Quinn Norton? Meh.
    When is the NYT going to Judith Miller the Drunken Banshee?
    She who helped give America Bush the Lesser and 911?

  • Michael R
    • C4TWOMAN

      Wow. She really thinks highly of her wit, doesn’t she….

  • A friend suggests that the real factor at work in the Norton/weev case – as with the oddball friendship of English socialist-feminist Laurie Penny with gay stormtrooper Milo – is that women are socialised to perform emotional labor for “difficult” men. And they lash out at people who try to call their man-friends to account.

    • Dixie Gale

      You’re friend is wise.

    • C4TWOMAN

      I’ve definitely seen that dynamic(though never understood WTF was going on until you put it this way), but I think in Norton’s case it’s a simpler case of her being a closet Nazi sympathizer and too cowardly to admit it. I’ve seen THAT before too.

      Of course it could be both….

    • Carla Vandermeer

      That would explain a lot. These jerks don’t like women, but somehow find more than enough to defend their hideous behavior.

  • “Surely there are tech columnists who are not actual friends with Nazis.” Wait, are you kidding me? Or, in proper Wonkette style: “R U kidding me, shit fer brains?” Techie culture is riddled with boys who are neo-Nazis, garden variety racists and Men Who Hate Women. The fact that this Quinn thing is a woman doesn’t innoculate her from being a techie creep: she’s undoubtedly part of the 53% of white women who voted for the unfit, unqualified racist birther who thinks white supremacists are decent people.

    Get a brain, morans!

  • AnneBonny

    I only unfriended one person who shared that Bari Weiss “consent culture = mindreading” bullshit. How restrained of me!

    (I only had one friend who shared that Bari Weiss “consent culture = mindreading” bullshit. Make sure your crew is as tight as you.)

    • C4TWOMAN

      But they have that backwards. Consent culture is the opposite of mind-reading, or more accurately loosy-goosy-hopeful-hinting-baised-towards-what you want, until you hear a hard NO. I was so happy when we collectively moved to “yes means yes”. I remember first hearing that and thinking, “Fuck me, why didn’t I think of that? Like duh!” So many potential misunderstandings are averted before they start. It’s awesome! And I speak as someone who has never had a serious negative sexual interaction. So why these people are complaining about making dating CLEARER and LESS DRAMATIC I don’t understand.

      To be charitable, there was a romance of getting swept up in the action and or the idea your soul mate of the moment would just “know what was right”. But we’ve been there before: people complained discussing birth control took the romance out of sex, too. It’s time to face the fact much of this “romance” was really the remnants of sexual repression and the attitude that if you didn’t talk directly about sex, then you could act as if well, it wasn’t really happening.
      If the price to pay for preventing unwanted pregnancies and unwanted sexual advances is a little less “romance”, then it’s worth it.

      • AnneBonny

        The shittiest part is that the people who least want open communication in sex are also the people who insist you can’t actually understand really clear “I don’t want this” indicators other than saying “NO!” and immediately fleeing the premises. If you’re not going to initiate explicit, ongoing consent discussions about what you’re doing, you’d better be SUPER attentive to body language and other cues–or else don’t have sex! If you can’t tell that your sex partner is miserable and scared, you are bad at sex!

        I think about 50% of anti-feminism comes from men worrying they might have to be good in bed. Guess what guys! You do!

  • Dept. of Space Tacos

    bust magazine, eh?
    (eyebrow raise)

    • AnneBonny

      Yes, Bust Magazine. It’s a venerable feminist publication, particularly associated with the third wave. Pretty well-known.

  • Full disclosure: I interviewed Norton for a 2017 Bust Magazine article about cybernetic implants.

    Pity Norton couldn’t get an ethics chip installed.

  • blaid droog

    Just proves that the times is run by a collective of idiots and fucking morons.

  • C4TWOMAN

    Cold thread but chip in .02 anyway…

    Knew a woman who worked in state department of human services, supposedly helping or counseling kids in the system, some of which are POC. She’s been observed on faceplace or twatter, “joking” with a friend that he was “such an antisemite lol” after he said posted something about the “holocaust hoax”. I understand someone tried to report her activities(this is just the tip of iceberg) and, as far as anyone can tell, her supervisors were indifferent.

    Pretty sad when a media outlet has stricter standards than a state office whose job it is to protect children.

  • Keith Taylor

    It appears, after casually checking it out (a superficial check on this walking compost heap was all I could stand) that he’s the webmaster for (few bars of the Horst Wessel Lied) The Daily Stormer. He has also done prison time on identity theft and hacking charges.
    Wait. Maybe he is literally a walking compost heap? The original of that old comic strip “The Heap”? Neither animal, vegetable or mineral, but … a thing?
    Tempting and delicious thought, but nah, he’s probably human. It’s established by now that nothing is beneath the human race.

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  • Me The People

    ‘I don’t agree with them, I just…I guess I just kinda like them a lot, and think y’all should maybe be a bit nicer to them is all, y’know like hug a nazi and make the world a better place sorta thing’

  • LeighBowery’sLuxuryComedy

    That pic is freaking me out, because it looks SO much like a woman I know. Who I can guarantee would not hang out with Nazis just to be ‘edgy’.

    • OTB

      It doesn’t help that her hair is pretty much a full Hitler:

      https://goo.gl/images/PVM17N

      • LeighBowery’sLuxuryComedy

        Karma police – arrest this girl..

  • ResonantCavity

    “Surely there are conservatives who can manage to be conservative without denying science. Surely there are conservatives who can manage to be less flippant about 71 people burning to death.”

    No. Being conservative requires a complete lack of empathy. Your smarter conservative may know not to say things like that in public, but they believe them.

  • Don’t be fooled; there used to be people called cinservatives who werer capable of thinking (sometimes a bit slowly, but still, the grey cells actually fired), who were capable of carrying on a rational dialogue with the opposite side of the aisle, who honestly believed that the glass was half empty instead of half full (or the other way around), who weren’t especially spiteful or hateful, and who weren’t chronic paranoids. Here and there you can still spot a few of them if you look hard enough. The problem is that there are fascists and just plain loonies who SAY they’re conservatives but really are just nihilists. For them to have hijacked the term and fooled so many voters into thinking they actually represented conservatism as we knew it is a vile fraud, the worse for systematically working to erase the paleoconservatives as though the latter had never been.

    Of course, there have always been some cognitively-challenged assholes on the right too (“Mary” Hoover, Joe McCarthy, Bull Connor, Robert Welch et al.) But to mistake a Bannon or a Kock for a bona fide conservative as the postwar generation understood the term is a reductionist error that will have to be unlearned when the neofascist movement implodes and we actually have people to talk with who don’t share our views as a matter of course, in good faith and with thoughtfulness and good will. Not so easy to spot them in the midst of so much right-wing trumpery but there are signs — e.g. any of them with the courage to say that the CDC should once again be allowed to take an epidemiological look at our national AR-15 infection and to turn down NRA campaign bribes on principle, as one might refuse money from a pederasty advocacy PAC. Like it or not, we need those good-faith conservatives, if only as a sheet-anchor to our own noble zeal as we strive towards the yawning heights

  • Carla Vandermeer

    She is just another useful idiot. If your friend is outed as a nazi, you run away screaming, preferably after you’ve kicked him in the balls. As for finding conservatives who aren’t nuts, I have begun to despair that the entire right wing portion of the world has irredeemably lost their freaking minds.

  • chronozoan

    This is not like being friends with a Republican, this is not a mere difference of opinion — this is like being friends with an unrepentant child molester or serial rapist or murderer, and being like “Oh, well, that’s just one facet of who they are! They totally have redeeming qualities, even if they are constantly talking about how much they’d love to molest children or how they enjoy setting orphanages on fire.”
    THANK YOU

  • RevengeOfSmot

    Fuck her, good riddance. She has no concern over the safety of her fellow Americans that aren’t friends with these brain dead jackals.

  • Jennifer P

    You met Quinn, and you’d write something like this? You know damn well she’s not a racist or a nazi sympathizer, nor a homophobe. Quinn is (by her own pinned tweet) a “bisexual anarchist pacifist, prison abolitionist, & vegetarian”. She’s into free speech. A lot of people supported Weev when he was wrongfully imprisoned (even if you hate the guy, he didn’t violate the CFAA with the AT&T case: he did QA work for them), meaning that you also need to talk-smack about: Orin Kerr, a law professor at George Washington University, Biella (Gabriella) Coleman, a professor of anthropology at McGill University. Orin Kerr argued Weev’s case in court, and he won. Quinn has had several persons wrongfully prosecuted or imprisoned in her life: that’s pretty-much her starting point for talking to the guy. My, what a *bad* journalist you are. Also a *snake*. Full disclosure: I met Quinn too. And she doesn’t deserve your writing.

    • sgt. jmk of the résistance

      Did you even read the piece? You might want to try it. Robyn spells out pretty clearly WHY she is saying what she is saying:

      “This is not like being friends with a Republican, this is not a mere difference of opinion — this is like being friends with an unrepentant child molester or serial rapist or murderer, and being like “Oh, well, that’s just one facet of who they are! They totally have redeeming qualities, even if they are constantly talking about how much they’d love to molest children or how they enjoy setting orphanages on fire.”

      It’s also clear from Auernheimer’s behavior that his “friendship” with Norton has not, in any way, tempered his views. They’ve been friends for years, so whatever she’s supposedly doing to “engage” him is clearly not working.”

      She didn’t comment on that Piece of Shit’s imprisonment, and she never once implied that Norton was, herself, “a racist or a nazi sympathizer, nor a homophobe” as you appear to be claiming.

      You might want to consider taking some courses at the Derek Zoolander Center For Kids Who Can’t Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too.

      • Jennifer P

        I did read the article. I don’t think that anyone has a right to attack Ms. Norton for interacting with a problematic person. If you feel this strongly about it, then you should organize an attack campaign against Pf. Orrin Kerr, the GWU professor who defended the problematic person in court.

        You don’t know anything about Ms. Norton. And you don’t know anything about me. And you can’t write to save your own life.

        • Jennifer P

          An additional comment: After winning his court appeal (and winning release from prison), Mr. Auernheimer became far more extreme in his views. He had nothing to do with the Daily Stormer until after his court case.

          When Ms. Norton was in contact with him, he was more of a “hacker personality”, who had got caught exposing a technical flaw, and was charged with violating the CFAA. This is why so many famous legal persons (and journalists) came to his aid.

          On observation, Mr. Auernheimer ‘s behavior changed “for the worse” in the past 3-4 years, which does make a difference.

          In any event, no one is making a mob-action against Mr. Auernheimer: this was only an effort to attack Ms. N for her new job.

          • Jennifer P

            Everything written in that article, and on this page, is all about screaming “I hate nazi’s!” than anything to do with Quinn, or what she said, did, thought or is.

            People are actually going on her twitter page and accusing her of not knowing what the Holocaust is – which if you’ve met Quinn (who is so educated, and so against anything related to Nazis) is ridiculous.

        • sgt. jmk of the résistance

          Anyone has the right to comment on the public activities of a public figure. I’m sure Robyn is really sorry that your widdle feewings were so hurt that you managed to miss the whole fucking point of the piece.

          And by the way, genius, I didn’t CLAIM to know anything about Ms. Norton… I don’t follow friends of that imprisoned Piece of Shit as a general rule. I also don’t care to know anything about you because whingy twits who can’t read aren’t really my cup of tea.

          And you’ve seen fewer than 250 words I’ve written, so how you came to the conclusion that I “can’t write to save [my] own life” is a fucking mystery.

          Oh. Wait. No it’s not. It’s just more whiny bullshit from you.

          Fuck off, whiner.

          • Jennifer P

            It’s impossible to have a reasoned dialectic with a person whose main line of discussion is that anyone who disagrees with them is, (a) a whiner and (b) illiterate. The use of expletives for reasoning tools is also “not facilitative” of adult conversation.

            You reason like the kind of people you claim to hate.

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            Ohhhhh jeepers…let’s review, shall we?

            YOU posted a comment lambasting Robyn for things that weren’t in her piece. Your entire argument was that Robyn was being mean because Ms. Norton is not herself a Nazi, and you know her so she shouldn’t be criticized. You seemed to think that the whole piece was some kind of undeserved betrayal.

            I simply asked you if you’d read the piece, since she was pretty clear about why she’d said what she said, and why she felt it had to be said. I even posted the relevant passage. I also laughed at your evident lack of reading comprehension, since you missed the whole point of the piece.

            You THEN posted some additional point-missing and opined that I couldn’t write to save my life. That, of course, is TOTALLY JUSTIFIED, since you’d read a whole 250 words of my writing. I, on the other hand, am a TERRIBLE FIEND for laughing at your lack of reading comprehension because reasons and your friends should not be questioned or criticized and how could I have committed such lese majeste???

            And then you get pissy about “expletives”? Do you even know where you are?

            I characterized you as a whiner because all you’ve done here is whine like a fucking pre-teen.

          • Jennifer P

            “Do you even know where you are?”

            Oy.

            “I characterized you as a whiner because all you’ve done here is whine like a fucking pre-teen.”

            Gosh.

            “You THEN posted some additional point-missing and opined that I couldn’t write to save my life. That, of course, is TOTALLY JUSTIFIED, since you’d read a whole 250 words of my writing. ”

            Well. I’ve read enough of your writing to make a commentary. I stated my opinion. I stand by it.

            You can call me all the names you want, and type in capitals.

            In addition to my earlier assessment, I have a low opinion of you in general.

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