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When Orrin Hatch was first asked to comment on the allegations made by Rob Porter’s former wives and one ex-girlfriend who say that Porter, Hatch’s former Chief of Staff, was physically and mentally abusive to them, he had this to say:

“It’s incredibly discouraging to see such a vile attack on such a decent man,” the statement read. “Shame on any publication that would print this — and shame on the politically motivated, morally bankrupt character assassins that would attempt to sully a man’s good name. I know Rob. I’ve known him for years, both as a close friend and as a personal advisor. He is kind and considerate towards all. The country needs more honest, principled people like Rob Porter, which is why I hope that this cynical campaign to discredit his character ultimately fails.”

“Kind and considerate towards all,” indeed — just so long as you are not romantically involved with him, of course.

Hatch has since released a new statement about Porter, following Porter’s resignation as White House staff secretary — the man responsible for everything the president sees. According to one of Hatch’s aides, “the [first] statement was prepared before any accusations were printed but with the understanding that his past marital troubles would be used against him.” This seems to suggest that Hatch knew exactly what those he referred to as “politically motivated, morally bankrupt character assassins” were going to say, but was hoping that no one would think what they were saying was all that big of a deal.

The new statement is not much better.

“I am heartbroken by today’s allegations,” the statement said. “In every interaction I’ve had with Rob, he has been courteous, professional, and respectful. My staff loved him and he was a trusted advisor. I do not know the details of Rob’s personal life. Domestic violence in any form is abhorrent. I am praying for Rob and those involved.”

This statement is purposely vague. He says he is “heartbroken” by the allegations, but does not say what, exactly, he is heartbroken by. Is it the fact that Porter beat women? Is it the fact that the allegations were made in the first place? We don’t know. He then condemns domestic violence generally, and offers his “prayers” for Porter and “those involved.” He does not specifically condemn Porter or his actions and distances himself from knowing either way. He praises Porter for how courteous and respectful he was. It is very carefully crafted bullshit.

It’s also entirely about him and his own heartbreak, not about the women he earlier maligned as “politically motivated, morally bankrupt character assassins that would attempt to sully a man’s good name.” He does not apologize for referring to them that way.

When asked again about the allegations yesterday, Hatch clarified that he still thinks Porter is a “good guy” and said that he doesn’t believe all of the allegations against him.

“I’m somebody who believes in helping people … if he needs any help in the future, I’ll try to be there,” Hatch said. “He’s a good guy… I don’t understand what happened there.”

“I don’t believe… all [the allegations], but I think there’s enough there that you have to take it very seriously,” he added.

This is not the first time Hatch has had a real problem with women claiming they were abused by men he happens to like. In 1991, he accused Anita Hill of cribbing her allegations against Clarence Thomas from The Exorcist.

Hatch, like Porter, like the women, is a Mormon. This is not insignificant. Forty-two percent of homicides in Utah are the result of domestic violence — much higher than the national average of 30 percent (which, holy crap, is also really bad). This has a lot to do with the way the Church of Latter Day Saints handles domestic violence and other forms of abuse, and has long been an issue for a lot of those within the church and those who have left. It often entails going to the Bishop or the elders and being told to handle it within the family, within the community, not go to the police, and to respect the man as head of the household. In a Mormon family, the father is not just the father, but also the “priest” and the religious leader of the house. To go against him is going against the church itself.

Additionally, the church itself is very, very concerned about image in general, as good and wholesome and pure. They teach women makeup application at a young age, they implement strict, modest dress codes, and tend to have absurdly perfect teeth. They place a priority on these things. Domestic violence isn’t just a bad thing for women, it hurts the church’s image if they go public.

When Jennifer Willoughby sought help from the church concerning Porter’s abuse, she was not given help, but rather was told to consider his career:

In her blog post, Willoughby wrote, “When I tried to get help, I was counseled to consider carefully how what I said might affect his career.” She told The Intercept that she had described Porter’s anger issues to a lay official in the Mormon church. She said the official had told her to think carefully about what she said publicly about Porter’s behavior. “Keep in mind, Rob has career ambitions,” she recalled the official saying. (The press office at the Mormon church’s headquarters in Salt Lake City, Utah, declined to comment for this story.)

Hatch may say domestic violence is “abhorrent,” but he also appears to think it is at least equally wrong for those women to have come forward the way they did.

Of course, Hatch is hardly alone in his initial support of Porter. Both John Kelly and Sarah Huckabee Sanders said very lovely things about him right up until the pictures of Colbie Holderness with a black eye became public. They all knew about these allegations beforehand — Hatch himself referred to them as “marital problems,” and the FBI had interviewed both Willoughby and Holderness prior to his appointment. They all knew. They didn’t care until the public did. They hoped that the public would buy their story of Porter’s ex-wives simply being vindictive witches out to destroy a good man’s political career, and when they didn’t, they backed off of trying to defend him. Sort of, anyway.

The unfortunate thing is that this really shouldn’t be about politics. It shouldn’t be about teams and “let’s see what we can get away with here!” It certainly doesn’t have to be about any of that. It should be about basic human decency, and if it had been in the first place, none of these defenses or un-defenses would have had to even happen. It would be nice if entities like the Republican Party and the Church of Latter Day Saints could care more about the actual women being abused than they do about their own public image. If they could care about them before news like this becomes public.

That would be nice.

[Washington Examiner | Slate | Mediaite]

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  • susan_g

    Note to self: make Orrin Hatch voodoo doll.

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      Be sure it’s empty inside.

      • (((fka_donnie_d))), SOB

        A balloon animal!

    • MynameisBlarney

      Put me down for a dozen.

    • (((fka_donnie_d))), SOB

      That scene in Iron man 2

      Isn’t it funny how annoying a little prick can be?

    • Indiepalin

      Soak in beer. Stick in freezer.

  • Sheepshagger

    “Orrin Hatch” sounds like a particularly vile part of a submarine.

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      It’s where the feces drop out.

    • Cornelius Fussbudget

      It’s a hatch that works both ways. You can go Out, Orrin.

  • Beelzebubba

    Statement #1 was before he knew that the public had in hand the police reports and photographic evidence.
    Statement #2 reflects just enough back-pedaling to avoid looking like a complete idiot. (Unlike, say, Donnie Two Scoops, who doesn’t care about looking like an idiot because his idiot base is composed of idiots, who love idiots.)

  • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

    “It’s incredibly discouraging to see such a vile attack on such a decent man,” the statement read. “Shame on any publication that would print this — and shame on the politically motivated, morally bankrupt character assassins that would attempt to sully a man’s good name.”

    For a few seconds I thought he was talking about attacks on Obama by Hannity, Carlson, Goehmert, Gingrich, Fox “News”, Liddle’ Babby Donnie, …

  • JohnBull

    Thoughts and prayers for Orrin. They have a good track record.

    • Big Puppy

      *snort* Thoughts and prayers really do solve everything, don’t they?

  • Zonath

    “I’m somebody who believes in helping people … if he needs any help in the future, I’ll try to be there,” Hatch said.

    Did anyone let Orrin know that Porter isn’t a billionaire, and probably hasn’t contributed more than a few hundred Ameros to any conservative PACs or political candidates? Because that’s how Orrin decides who counts as “people” in terms of his help…

  • Royal Ugly Dude

    The reactions to this from the right are astonishing. Do conservatives even think violence against women is a crime?

    • Ms. MLG on Maui

      They think it shouldn’t be.

    • mackafritz

      Only if it’s a Democrat.

    • No.

      This has been another installment of obvious answers to obvious questions.

    • MynameisBlarney

      They are working diligently to make that a reality.

    • Jennaratrix

      There is no such thing as “violence against women.” It’s called being the man, and controlling your household, etc.

      • Ellie

        But, it isn’t like Sharia, at all. Totally different and not the same.

      • cmd resistor

        Now, look what you’ve done, you made me hit you.

    • (((fka_donnie_d))), SOB

      Nope. Why do you think they nominated this guy?

    • OneYieldRegular

      Look at their voting records on VAWA.

    • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

      It’s a feature for them, not a bug. The old timers really loathe women.

  • MynameisBlarney

    Fuck the fucking fuck off you fuckin old fascist fuck.

    • Eileen Besse

      Also, too….

  • aktlib101

    Well, they behave more or less like the NFL leadership. Spouse abuse? What spouse abuse?
    Concussions? What’s that?
    Same thing.

  • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

    Look if a narcissist cannot make everything about them. what good are they?

  • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

    “Keep in mind, Rob has career ambitions,” she recalled the official saying.

    This is the same line of shit that was used against the girls that Larry Nassar abused. “If you talk, you’ll hurt him. You don’t want that do you? I mean, what if you’re wrong?”
    When your defense is the same that is used to protect child predators, then it’s time to find a new line of work. Preferably cleaning sewers or something.

  • Bill D. Burger

    Orrin, Orrin…Orrin. How can we ever miss your hideous old fuckface if you won’t go away?

  • msanthropesmr

    Can someone explain to me, in simple terms, how our current state of religious beliefs in this country differs substantially from the Taliban?

    • They believe white skin is a sign of virtue. That’s it.

    • MynameisBlarney

      Different tastes in clothing and facial hair.

    • BadKitty904

      It does FAR more damage than the Taliban could ever dream of doing?

    • janecita

      No difference.

    • JohnBull

      The Taliban have better diets.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      There are some progressive churches out there…they just don’t have enough money to make the kind of noise that the fundie mentals make.

    • Sunhead

      The only one that comes to mind…
      Islam sees Jesus as a Prophet, Xtians think he is the Son of God, the Messiah.

  • BadKitty904

    You don’t have a heart to break, you hypocritical, amoral chauvinist…

    • Eileen Besse

      Seriously.

  • Jennaratrix

    It would be nice if entities like the Republican Party and the Church of Latter Day Saints could care more about the actual women being abused than they do about their own public image. If they could care about them before news like this becomes public.

    That would be nice.

    It would be nice, but shockingly out of character.

    • BadKitty904

      It would utterly violate the tenets of institutionalized hypocrisy.

    • Beelzebubba

      Show me an organized religion that’s not primarily interested in their public image. The only thing that might take priority is the money.

      • Jennaratrix

        I can’t. But then, I don’t believe in organized religion. Or disorganized religion. Or gods of any kind.

        • MynameisBlarney

          No gods, no masters.

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            Fucking A, right.

  • ArgieBargie

    Orrin Hatch, a man so detestable he actually makes you look forward to have Mitt Romney replace him.

    • Ling Ling

      A thousand upfists from the intermountain west.

    • Nounverb911

      2018 Utah Senatorial debatequestion, “How many times have you beaten your wife?”

      • Ling Ling

        No kidding. Once upon a time I was on jury duty for a domestic abuse case. One of the jurors said (out loud): “who hasn’t slapped their wife around a little?” – We have much room for improvement.

        • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

          I pulled jury duty for one of those and when the defense asked
          : is there anyone here who feels they can’t give my client a fair trial, I raised My hand and said, You said the victim needed facial reconstruction? I have done those cases and it takes hours to reconstruct someones face. No, when I think of the pain involved for the victim. No I can’t. (I hope I poisoned that jury pool.)

    • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

      That’s true.

  • msanthropesmr

    Fuck these motherfuckers.

  • canes_pugnaces

    The GOP has decided to cut campaign ads for the Dem’s midterm ambitions. A simple thank you, after an enthusiastic Fuck You is in order.

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    What I want to know is why Hillary Clinton didn’t fire him.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      She has taken so long to say something!

      • Marva

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    • canes_pugnaces

      He was part of the deep state. Worked in the Pizza dungeon.

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        It actually would not surprise me if he was part a child sex ring.

    • Daniel

      Her silence is all the evidence we need.

    • JohnBull

      Why hasn’t she been impeached yet??

  • Resistance Ftr PuckStopsHere

    Orrin Hatch also believes Donny John is the bestest president* in the history of the United States. So, grain of salt, I guess.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    “I am heartbroken by today’s allegations,” the statement said. “In every interaction I’ve had with Rob, he has been courteous, professional, and respectful. My staff loved him and he was a trusted advisor. I do not know the details of Rob’s personal life. Domestic violence in any form is abhorrent. I am praying for Rob and those involved.”

    I’m sure the women Porter beat up are consoled by this weaselly crap. Jesus fucking Christ…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f0ac398ac15b615e4335cd4c36b222deca9572b5dd6df9757a93978cfdc2b618.gif

  • WotsAllThisThen

    Go filibuster civil rights you old coot.

  • Nounverb911

    Will orrrin be joining Kelly in giving Porter an excellent job recommendation?

    • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

      They’ll just put him somewhere in the local hierarchy.

  • Nounverb911

    Has anyone ever interviewed orrin’s wife away from him and the Mormon bishops?

  • UnsaltedSinner

    I’ve come to regard Orrin Hatch as one of the most despicable members of the modern GOP (which is really saying something). The fact that he has managed to get reporters to portray him as this nice, principled moderate is particularly sickening, given that he’s so obviously pond scum.

    • Nounverb911

      Or in his case Salt Lake scum…

    • aktlib101

      I prefer McTurtle for that spot, but hey, potato, potatoes,

    • Beelzebubba

      It’s all relative… compared to the likes of Gohmert and Issa, he’s a statesman.

  • janecita

    God, in this country women really are second class citizens! I can’t understand women that vote Republican, or women that blindly believe a patriarchal cult, I just don’t get it.

    • msanthropesmr

      “Economic anxiety”

    • Ellie

      They figure if they suck up enough, nothing bad will happen to them?

    • BadKitty904

      Brainwashing.

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        Indoctrination like Betsey DeVille wants to put into our schools. On our dime, of course.

        • BadKitty904

          Exactly. “OBEY.

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            I always sucked at that, I am not a fan of self imposed authority.

          • BadKitty904

            <– redheaded Capricorn

            Which, per Mama, means "stubborn as a cast-iron mule!

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            Clever!

          • BadKitty904

            Southerners have a gift for vivid idiom.

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            I love them for it, as well as a host of other things.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      Apparently there’s an article in The Atlantic that says WWC women are moving against Donald. Didn’t read it because it was written by a reporter I loathe (Ronald Brownstein I think), but it’s about fucking time they woke up.

  • Indiepalin

    Heartbreaker the time has come to take your evil away. Go away Heartbreaker.

  • Cousin Itt, hoi polloi
  • Ms. MLG on Maui

    These statements of support for Rob Porter aren’t really about Rob Porter. They know he did it. They know he isn’t a good guy. They know these things because they ARE Rob Porters. They want to protect their own ability to do anything they want, and get away with it. Same as it ever was.

  • OneYieldRegular

    “He seemed kinda ordinary, normal, you know, maybe kept to himself a little too much, the quiet type. Every once in a while we’d hear strange noises next door. But we never in a million years imagined that he might do something like this. Now if you’ll excuse me I’m missing my favorite show on the teevee.”

  • Ellie

    There’s an elementary school in Utah coming under scrutiny now because they are requiring (at a dance) that the 6th grade girls all accept the invitation of any boy who asks them to dance. They are not allowed to refuse. I can’t find where I originally read it, but there’s this:
    http://www.fox19.com/story/37470764/girls-cant-say-no-to-boys-at-school-dance

    I guess this is technically OT, but the stuff all has to start somewhere.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      Good God, that is vile.

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      You here that Jennifer Aniston. We are going to that elementary school dance.

    • Tiffany de Houston

      I saw an article about this on Raw Story, I think. Shit like this makes my blood boil.

    • No shit.

      By the time I hit my late teens, the word “no” was basically not in my vocabulary. I can’t really blame my parents. It was (and plainly still is) the wider social case that women just don’t use that word. Needless to say I got into a lot of trouble before I managed to internalize that it was okay to say no.

      Take normal (female) children, who want to be compliant, cooperative, and liked; stew them in our toxic culture, lie to them about how relationships work on just about every level, and that’s what you get.

      Nice girls don’t say “no”. Until they become sexually interesting at which point they are supposed to say “no” constantly, or else get called sluts. Of course, if they say “no” then they are ball-breaking bitches.

      Why yes, it is a lose-lose proposition for women.

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        Well said.

    • aktlib101

      Well. Technically, a 6th grade girl is about 12. In the past (biblical past) “women” were married at 12yrs of age. So, Utah is just bringing back the good old days.

      BTW, Utah school people, can girls also invite any boy they want, and HE cannot refuse? You know, just to level the playing field? or that would be sexual abuse or smth?

    • MynameisBlarney

      WTF?

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    It would be nice if entities like the Republican Party and the Church of Latter Day Saints could care more about the actual women being abused than they do about their own public image. If they could care about them before news like this becomes public.

    That would be nice.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/05f98c107e83100bc58a0dbd92f9d9a6772aab21e49b3a96b950eb64469d0dbb.png

    • cmd resistor

      This is making me vaguely remember some horrid story about Mitt Romney when he was some muckety muck in the Mormon Church and butted in on some woman’s life. I can’t remember the details, if it was abortion, divorce, whatever. I don’t even want to, But it was offensive. Story was going around when he was running for prez.

  • BadKitty904
  • RobKanC

    Will no one ever think of Trump’s real daughter in this story. Sad!

  • Opalescent Riddles

    She said the official had told her to think carefully about what she said publicly about Porter’s behavior. “Keep in mind, Rob has career ambitions,” she recalled the official saying.

    Oh, for fuck’s sake. By all means, let’s keep this all hush-hush, so that nobody ever suffers consequences but the victims, nobody learns that this is NOT OK.

    • BadKitty904

      Oh, trust me, I’d keep in mind that “Rob has career ambitions,” alright…

      • Opalescent Riddles

        I wonder what his career ambitions are now? I wouldn’t hire him to muck out a stable.

        • BadKitty904

          If he’s smart – and he’s obviously not, considering who he was working for – they should be centered on “not going to prison“.

  • Blackest Noobs

    someone ought to punch Orrin in the fucking eye and then let’s see how heartbroken he is.

    though unfortunately such an action would be Hatch’s death sentence; fucker probably couldn’t take the punch like a woman.

  • BadKitty904

    I am always amazed that women have not burned this country down to the ground.

    • aktlib101

      I still don’t get how women can vote FOR Trump and/or FOR ANY republican

      • Mike Minden

        White Nationalism trumps (sorry) everything else.

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        Stockholm syndrome? Denial?

        • “M”

          Mike unfortunately has it right. Raw Story and WaPo both did pieces: it’s not “economic anxiety”; it’s good old-fashioned racism.

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            I really despise women who will happily throw other women under the bus to “not rock the boat.” And being white is nothing to feel superior over.

    • Jonny On Maui

      This country? I’m amazed that I haven’t woke to the headline, “75% of all adult males killed in their sleep last night world wide.”

      • BadKitty904

        Your percentage looks about right. A planet of women and homos would prolly be pretty peaceful.

        • Ms. MLG on Maui

          Heaven!

          • Lance Thrustwell

            Could a few gentle straight fellas {straightens tie} be kept around – as, like, curiosities?

          • Most Stable Land Shark

            Breeding stock?

          • therblig

            death by snu-snu?

          • Ms. MLG on Maui

            NO! ;)

          • Jonny On Maui

            At least I woke up!

          • Ms. MLG on Maui

            My mercy and compassion knows no bounds!

          • BadKitty904

            I’d bet it’d be pretty fun! We could hang out!

          • Ms. MLG on Maui

            It would! My best friend, a gay man, was the man who showed me what a good man is. He walks the walk. I am so grateful for that.

          • BadKitty904

            Together, we’d whip this planet into shape in no time.

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            Shopping and umbrella drinks, all ’round.

          • BadKitty904

            Work in the garden, then watch old movies – with drinks and snacks!

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            Dancing in the club like I spent the 90’s doing!

          • BadKitty904

            And let’s not neglect ballroom dancing, too!

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            I love Ballroom dancing ! Mr Hedo and I do it to latin pop.

        • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

          Women, homo’s and the respectful, wonderful men, like my spouse. (actually there are some shitty woman, can we cull them too?)

          • BadKitty904

            Fair enough. No point in being bigoted about it.

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            You’re the best, B.K.

          • BadKitty904

            I prefer to think in “individuals” rather than “groups”.

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            Yes, to this. There are cool people in every group.

          • BadKitty904

            I have yet to see an exception to that truism.

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            The more I travel and meet people from other cultures, the more I find we have in common.

          • “M”

            The dreaded 53%.

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            Is that the mean people percent?

          • “M”

            53% of white women voted for Trump. So … maybe?

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            EWWW! What WERE they thinking?

          • “M”

            You’re going to get sick of me telling you the same thing over and over – RACISM https://twitter.com/verysmartbros/status/796432503888179200

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            That really sucks, I know that black women were the deciding party on getting out to vote against Roy Moore. And they never got credit in the MSM for it. I personally made it a point to thank them on social media and give credit where it was due every chance I got. I can’t wait until we are all a beautiful melanin rich shade of tan and the “white ” myth is no more.

          • “M”
          • “M”
        • “M”

          And nicely decorated. Though woe to those of us who may or may not be interior design-challenged.

  • Nounverb911

    Something Hatch endorses?

    “It was all my fault Rob hit me all those times”.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/72fe149e14629cb8fa0d0008feb964627dde914cd03d40ab7485a81f1b764f09.jpg

  • Ms. MLG on Maui

    And another thing…

    42 PERCENT?! JESUS CHRIST!

  • AlanInSF

    God will know who to deliver Sen Hatch’s prayers to, even though one is addressed to “Rob Porter” and the others just to “those involved.”

  • schmannity

    Orrin likes his women like his chicken, lightly battered

    • Mike Minden

      I prefer my women like my coffee – ground up and stored in the freezer. ;)

      • everstar

        I like my women like I like my coffee: in a plastic cup. With a spoon in.

  • Jonny On Maui

    To go against him is going against the church itself

    Why would anyone support this type of “church” other than wannabe patriarchs?

    • ((( Augustus )))

      born into the system, purposely sheltered from the truths of the world, don’t know any better, brainwashed

      • Ms. MLG on Maui

        Exactly. It’s done on purpose. It’s systematic.

        • wavicles

          Yes, authoritarianism has all persons as tops and bottoms both, except for the very top and very bottom. Surrender to those above you, control those below you.

  • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler
    • BMW

      I have to ask what is going on in the bottom left corner.

      • aktlib101

        I think it is some Apple speaker/home control device

      • janecita

        Yeah, what is that?

        • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

          An Apple Homepod. You know, their answer to the Amazon Echo and the Google Home in terms of home control/permissive spy devices.

    • aureolaborealis

      And YouTube just did exactly that to Logan Paul. Cut off his monetization stream.

    • TJ Barke

      I only know what 2 out of 4 are…

    • therblig

      those are cascade pods. nowhere near as tasty.

      or so i’m told.

  • gnomemansanisland

    Hatch has always been a sanctimonious twunt. He’s gotten worse. Nothing against Mormons, but maybe they’re too image conscious. Does that lead to hypocrisy?

  • Covfefe

    FWIW, Dr. Larry Nassar, 54, has been shunted off to federal prison to do his sixty years for possession of child pornography. He will be released from federal prison in 2069, but then he’ll have to serve his state time. http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/larry_nassar_transferred_to_fe.html

    • Ms. MLG on Maui

      Never forget the real tragedy in that story is how mean the nasty lady judge was to him!

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        Right, how dare she make him ‘listen’ to all his victims?

        • Ms. MLG on Maui

          Are women even allowed to be judges?!

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            Only it they are idiots like that insane judge pirro.

          • therblig

            3 weeks a month.

  • aureolaborealis

    OT: Market doesn’t shit bed. Closes up 330 on the day (still down ~2,400 since last week). Trolls crow about strong Trump economy, and rant about treasonous, anti-American news outlets that covered the correction over the past week. Fun fact: The market shed $3 trillion in value this week. I think that doesn’t include last Friday.

  • Shawn Charniga

    Anybody else think it’s weird that a church NEEDS a press office?

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      I know. The entire state government is right there in SLC. You’d think they’d handle it for them.

    • The Militant Homosexual Agenda

      Hell, the Vatican owns its own fucking bank.

    • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

      AKA Spin Doctors.

    • therblig

      why does god need a starship?

  • Daniel

    Things:

    Sarah Huckabee-Sanders was raised by a man who believes sexual assault of children by their own family member is at worst a six of one, half a dozen of the other scenario where the little, prepubescent girls are guilty of stimulating said relative by being naked at bath time.
    The man who committed those assaults was “a good man”, and so needed to be excused.

    “The good man” in Christian right circles is never guilty of anything, he is always a victim- and often of women. He is not just hopeful of forgiveness, he is owed it.
    Nothing can be allowed to harm him- even things he’s done. Because he is good, and that label sticks as closely as his whiteness.

  • BMW

    Raymond Shaw Rob Porter is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.”

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    You can always count on The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to run interference for abusive priesthood holders.

  • BadKitty904

    Withered hypocrite says what?

  • arglebargle

    I don’t understand why any woman would want to be a part of organized religion. The entire system of all the major brands is built on keeping women in their place.

    • gnomemansanisland

      Wicca is cool

      • arglebargle

        Well, not exactly who I was thinking of. Let’s just say the Abrahamic religions, which covers about 95% (total guess) of the world.

        • gnomemansanisland

          I know – I was just suggesting a religion known to be female friendly

        • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

          There be a LOT of Buddhists.

          • arglebargle

            True dat

        • Odd Jørgensen

          Nah, Hindus and Buddhists and African minor religions make up for some 30% or more.

          • arglebargle

            Yeah, I knew I shoulda done the Googles before throwing that statistic out there.

      • janecita

        You know what’s even better? Atheism.

        • arglebargle

          Amen

        • Crystalclear12

          I don’t believe!

        • TJ Barke

          Which has more dancing naked in the woods?

          • mailman27

            I would need to compare the newsletters.

          • janecita

            That’s alright, if I want to dance naked in the woods I just do it. I don’t need a coven of wanna be witches dancing along with me.

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            I knew you would be cool to hang out with.

          • VirginiaHighFiber

            Shoulda read down to you before posting.

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            That appeals to me as well.

          • VirginiaHighFiber

            You don’t have to be Wiccan to do that. Different little groups of people who love nature dance without the lable. And we have good snacks too.

          • HarryButtle

            Grateful Dead shows.

      • Vel Venturi

        There’s really disturbing and disappointing amount of people in the pagan community who are racist, sexist assholes.

    • Ms. MLG on Maui

      They take that choice from you at an early age. It takes years to unlearn the destructive things they brainwash into your head as a child, and some people never realize they need to unlearn them.

      • arglebargle

        Yeah, it’s hard to convey ones thoughts in a sentence or two. I can understand why women (and men) find it hard to break away from their upbringing. But at some point you need to break the cycle. I escaped, but my sisters are still heavily involved in the church. I point out the hypocrisies in their life and the just say, “yea, there are inconsistencies” and go on with their lives. I find it very sad.

        • Ms. MLG on Maui

          It’s heartbreaking. I am so happy you broke that cycle! It’s hard as hell.

      • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

        My ex is a couple years older than me, and she’s still trying to get through all of the things that screwed her up when she was raised Catholic. It’s part of the reason she stayed married for a long time despite not really loving her husband.

      • Shanzgood (19 Days!)

        That’s why I’m glad I was raised by atheists. My son has expressed a similar appreciation as well.

        • Ms. MLG on Maui

          I’m glad for you, and your son.

        • VirginiaHighFiber

          We raised our daughter without religion. She turned out agnostic. I’m so proud! She decides what to do spiritually. I’m a good mommy!!

    • Marion in Savannah

      Yeah. That must be why the former Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church was a woman.

      • arglebargle

        And my sister is a Mennonite pastor. What’s your point? Just because women can attain a position of authority doesn’t negate the fact that the document they base their beliefs on is chock full of misogyny.

        • Marion in Savannah

          This is what you said: “entire system of all the major brands is built on keeping women in their place”

          What part of “the entire system” didn’t you mean?

          • arglebargle

            You are right, that’s not a fair statement. It is where religion started though. And there there may be examples of more recent offshoots from the original Christian church that state men and women are equal, but they still base their belief system on a document that not just allows, but promotes women as property to be used as men see fit.

    • MynameisBlarney
  • SC

    An inordinate amount of Dateline stories are about Mormons. Just sayin’.

    • Beautiful Soup

      100% true! A lot of them involve murderous spouses (usually male) who “don’t believe in divorce.”

      • janecita

        And have another piece on the side.

        • TJ Barke

          How xtian…

    • janecita

      I was watching ID the other day and I was thinking the same thing. Actually when they said “She was the younger of six siblings,” I already knew.

  • BMW

    Mittens can’t replace this old fool fast enough.

  • clairence

    Would Orrin Hatch’s Chief of Staff require a security clearance of any sort? Because he was with Hatch for three years. That would be something, wouldn’t it?

  • geoffalnutt

    It is a Republican. It is only concerned with itself…and money.

  • Nounverb911
  • LiberalANDProud

    Down the Hatch?

    • BadKitty904

      Ignorin’ Orrin.

  • Jenny

    Why in the world did she seek comfort from the church? Didn’t she hear all the sermons of how being a submissive wife is your only true role in life???

    Jesus done told you that it is too your fault for look what you made him do!

  • Blackest Noobs

    In the movies, when the protagonist finds out that some “good” man has done a few bad things, and if the protagonist arrests/kills/exposes this “good” man it would destroy his work or career, etc, etc, but the protagonist does the right thing, arrests/kills/exposes the “good” man.

    in the real world, we just let it slide, because bitches be lying.

    and there is a God; he is just a misogynist.

  • Crystalclear12

    Problem with Mormons valuing women is that a basic tenant of the church is their lack of value.

  • Blackest Noobs

    what have you got to lose ladies and black people?

    Trump is doing such a great job!

  • SadDemInTex

    There is no hypocrisy too horrible for these assholes

    • BadKitty904

      I never knew “competitive hypocrisy” was a Thing until the Russo-Republican Coup…

      • Rasilom

        They are going to try and get it into the next Summer Olympic Games!

        • BadKitty904

          Will Mike’n’Mother lead the team? Or will he be on trial by then?

    • therblig

      there is no fate too horrible for them either.

  • Michael Smith

    Consider his career? Absolutely ridiculous thing for those elders to say. This guy is responsible for his own career ambitions. Its no one else’s fault that he can’t behave within the rules of human decency. And, far from being diminished, his responsibility to treat others with respect is all the greater because he has chosen a career of public service. His wife is not required to sacrifice her dignity to protect his fraud.

  • Crystalclear12

    I don’t understand why everyone is upset? I’ve always said this, why isn’t it working?
    – O. Hatch

  • Jacob DiCiaula

    Back when Illinois had a LT gov candidate who’d been convicted of domestic battery, a buddy and I joked we’d form a PAC to support him. We’d raise money on asking the legislature make law that, in any domestic violence case, there was a rebutable presumption that bitches be lying. We thought this was so absurd that it was obviously parody. We were wrong.

    • Wonky “TurnipShepherd” McGoo

      Those last two sentences might sum up this century so far.

  • Nockular cavity

    “I am heartbroken that these crimes became public knowledge.”

    • OutOfOrbit

      That’s what they all say (R)s

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        That’s what they REALLY mean.

  • SayItWithWookies

    You know, I can think of a great way for the Mormon Church to change its reputation as an inherently misogynistic institution that coddles abusers, since it’s so concerned about that. It would begin with not coddling abusers. Then it would entail telling women they deserve to be treated with dignity and respect, and if they are abused, to call the cops and by all means, don’t go to an institution that’s so dependent on maintaining its image that it allows fucking monsters to thrive just so long as it’s done quietly.

    • msanthropesmr

      But then men won’t be in control. There’s gotta be another way to do that.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    Pretty incredibly brave of both of his ex-wives to speak out publicly. If you know anything about the Mormon church, they risk severe retribution and shaming from the church, their own families, friends, and community. This, of course, is what enables shitbags like Porter to operate with impunity.

    • OutOfOrbit

      More a certainty than a risk

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Like any of these hidebound institutions, there is a segment that is more modern, liberal, and enlightened. But yeah.

    • TJ Barke

      “This, of course, is what enables shitbags like Porter to operate with impunity.”
      And that of course is why the system exists at all.

    • Jackie Jones

      If they’re “married for all eternity,” why does Porter have TWO EX WIVES???!!!!

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        That’s some weird shit isn’t it?

      • Opiwan

        Well, plural marriage was/is a thing for mormons. Not so long ago it wasn’t limited to just the fundamentalists, either.

        • Jackie Jones

          Got it. I asked because I know NOW that they claim one marries for all eternity. I found OUT by befriending ex wives of closeted Mormons who fugged them over during this life and, apparently, infinity and beyond. One woman couldn’t attend her own kid’s wedding because she divorced her closeted gay hubby. How did Porter get a pass with two divorces?

          • “M”

            Hahvahd, maybe *throws another dark glance the Kennedy School’s way for having given Spicer & Lewandowski fellowships, and now this shyte*

          • Jackie Jones

            AND ALSO TOO – I don’t blame the sad trapped-in-a-cult husbands… well, some I do. BUT I blame this ridiculous “A plate’s in my backyard carved with god’s word and you can’t see it, and I heard from GOD directly that I can fug your friend so more wives!” fake “CHURCH”

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Gonna be some ‘splainin’ to do once they all get their own planets in the afterlife.

  • Ninja0980

    Mentioned this before but when my one friend got the courage to come out to his Mormon family, he was disowned as he knew he would be.
    But he (thankfully) had allies and one supportive member of his family who had gone through the process of being kicked out/shunned by church and family..
    His aunt went through the same thing when she pressed charges against her ex (and thankfully now dead) husband after he punched her in the face and left her with a black eye when they were on vacation.
    Bottom line, she got the same crappy speeches Porter’s ex wives did from people like Hatch about she was ruining his life and she wasn’t having any of it.
    The Mormon Church is a religion based on misogyny, bigotry and racism, nothing more and nobody proves that better then Orrin Hatch, who has been an asshole long before Trump, Mike Lee or anyone else showed up.
    Fuck him, Porter and the rest of that godforsaken POS religion.

  • Me not sure

    Isn’t there an Old Mormon’s Home somewhere in Bumfuck, Utah where Hatch can go and dream about miraculous seagulls eating shit tons of Utah Grasshoppers and Mormon Crickets?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0d892d61a2fd1c7cf39ce63acc237fce11376b13983eeebd13c513dd461334d7.jpg

  • Glass_Joe

    Wow. So much of what is written here about the church is so patently false. I guess you all got your confirmation bias goin because you’re just lapping it up.

    • Wonky “TurnipShepherd” McGoo

      Like what? I’m serious, I hate being misinformed.

      • Jackie Jones

        Me, too. I want to know. Maybe it’s the make-up thing? I hadn’t heard that before. I do know their horrible record on gays and people of color.

      • Glass_Joe

        Like the 42 percent of homicides being domestic abuse. All statistics I’ve seen shows Utah below the national avg. The makeup thing is out of left filed and links to a website for female missionaries who are at least 19 and representing the church. And the claim about “going against the father is the same as going against the church” is absurd. I’m as disgusted as anyone to read how these two Mormon bishops handled the abuse cases of Porter’s ex-wives and I can assure you that it’s not how the church instructs this to be handled. If true, these bishops should be excommunicated from the church. Also, the author states that these cases of handling abuse claims has long been a problem yet supports that statement by linking to a random comment on social media? Many of the claims in this story should be cited and are spurious at best.

        • Your math is bad and you should feel bad.
          Most 5th graders know how averages work. Try it. Does not hurt.

          • Glass_Joe

            What does it mean if Utah’s DV murder rate is less than half the national avg yet constitutes a higher percentage of overall murders than the national avg? It means overall Utah has a much smaller murder rate. And, by the numbers, means Utah does not have the DV murder problem on the same scale as the rest of the country and certainly isn’t nearly the problem the author here is purporting. It also has nothing to do with “smaller population” since it’s a rate per 100k, you know like a percentage? I suggest you take a statistics course to help you understand because this seems to be over your head.

    • Me not sure

      I have nothing against the Mormon’s that I don’t have against any other organized religion. I’m an equal opportunity skeptic.

    • rosenbomb

      We are waiting.

    • Bemused

      I b’lieve that most of the Mormons on this site are of the jack variety (are they called Jill if they are lady-persons?).

      • Glass_Joe

        That is extremely apparent.

        • Petunia Cat

          😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 You come here to Wonkette and you discover there are “jack Mormons“ here. 🤣 Well aren’t you supposed to shun them? If they’re here, you can’t be. Bye-bye 👋🏼

          Also: hugs and kisses to all the “jack Mormons” here. Congratulations on getting out. 🥂 😊

          • Glass_Joe

            Goes to show you’ll believe anything as long as it confirms your bias.

          • Petunia Cat

            A Mormon talking about confirmation bias. That is hilarious. 😂

    • Glass_Joe

      Like the 42 percent of homicides being domestic abuse. All statistics I’ve seen shows Utah below the national avg. The makeup thing is out of left filed and links to a website for female missionaries who are at least 19 and representing the church. And the claim about “going against the father is the same as going against the church” is absurd. I’m as disgusted as anyone to read how these two Mormon bishops handled the abuse cases of Porter’s ex-wives and I can assure you that it’s not how the church instructs this to be handled. If true, these bishops should be excommunicated from the church. Also, the author states that these cases of handling abuse claims has long been a problem yet supports that statement by linking to a random comment on social media? Many of the claims in this story should be cited and are spurious at best.

      • rosenbomb

        If you are so upset, please direct your energy towards advocating for reform within the church. Organized religion is typically not friendly towards women, and I know from experience that Mormonism is no exception. You’re right, I don’t have a peer-reviewed research article. Looking at the exclusion of women from church leadership tells me enough.

        I know how things go for women when they don’t have a seat at the table.

        • Glass_Joe

          You could at least try to back up some of your claims with some legitimate sources.

      • VirginiaHighFiber

        How does the church instruct these things to be handled?

        • Glass_Joe

          Encourage the victims to report the abuse to law enforcement. Absolutely inappropriate to instruct them to sweep it under the rug, to continue being in an abusive relationship or to keep quiet to protect a guy’s career.

      • Is math that hard?
        Look. If you have 100 murders, and 42 of those are from domestic violence, that is 42%.
        Get it?
        Also, you can’t on one hand go “oh gee, these Bishops were bad” and then state the claims of the story are spurious. Either these women are telling the truth or they are not. Stop defending the crap from the church and start working for real change, k?

    • Angela Ruzzo
      • Glass_Joe

        Ok, how about grossly misleading? In Utah the domestic violence murder rate per 100k people is less than half the national average.

        • But your average is HIGHER. See, how it works is you take all your murders, and then you figure out what percentage of those is due to domestic violence.
          That your actual murder rate number is lower is probably due to your lack of population and has nothing to do with the average.

    • therblig

      not admitting blacks, posthumously baptizing jews, shunning gays. all i need to know about your bullshit cult.

  • alpacapunchbowl

    I’ve always found the Mormon attitude toward women really creepy, the whole “I want a virtuous princess who I can respect and cherish and take care of”. Nothing controlling about that.
    I didn’t even know about those dv stats. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/57e429ac0d3ef62c66a88330cbb28a21ebcae1779ebd62e2e00ced4509ccc021.png

    • Angela Ruzzo

      The Mormon attitude is very similar to the Catholic and Islamic attitude, which one of my Moslem friends described as “They put us up on these imaginary pedestals, but if we sneeze we fall off the fucking pedestal.”

      • alpacapunchbowl

        That’s a great way to put it!
        Dirty whores gonna dirty whore. I’m from a Catholic family, believe me I know.
        Maybe it’s the princess imagery I feel like I hear from Mormon guys a lot. It’s controlling AND even more infantilizing than I’m used to.
        Blegh.

      • Petunia Cat

        There like 1 million books by women who left the Fundamentalist Latter-Day Saints, the Warren Jeffs cult. This one is superb, Escape by Carolyn Jessop. Intensely interesting. Detailed description of how things were run in this little town where they all lived in on the Utah Colorado border. This isn’t the regular Mormon church, which is definitely awful. These are the ones that they have stuff on Dateline about all the time.

  • Angela Ruzzo

    My mother grew up in an immigrant neighborhood where most of the men got paid on Saturday, after which they got drunk, after which they went home and beat their wives and children, and then they made more children. So when my mother got married, she told my father on her wedding night that if he ever laid a hand on her, she would cut his balls off. She was an Army nurse, so she knew how to cut balls off. My father said the timing of this announcement was a bit off-putting, but having met her family, he understood why she said it. My mother told me this story when I was about 12 … I don’t think she really liked men very much, but in her day if you wanted children, you had to get married.

    • Wonky “TurnipShepherd” McGoo

      My grandma filed her fingernails to points in case anyone tried to “get fresh.”

      • Angela Ruzzo

        Way to go, grandma!

    • darnyoudarnyoutoheck

      True story, in many of the unionized mining camps my dad worked at in the 1950s the men voted that the pay packets be handed over to their wives. The guys knew what happened if THEY got given a weeks worth of pay.

  • Jackie Jones

    OMG. This is the party that repeats and repeats and repeats simple 4th grade phrases over and over and NO ONE has figured out you don’t call a departing wife beater “a good guy?”

    • Opiwan

      Well, it’s all OK, you know, because he’s fucking praying for the wife beater. Notice he’s not even praying for the victims, much less doing anything actionable to help them. No, it’s the fucktard who hits his alleged loved ones who gets the skybabble for skydaddies…

      • Sunhead

        Y’all missing the part where the sinner can confess and ask forgiveness. Making him (almost always him) even more of a paragon in the faith.
        “Aye waas tempted by thaa Devil, but Jesus showed me the errors of mah ways. I begged forgiveness and Jesus forgave mah! Hallelujahhh brothers and sisters!!”

  • CindyinEncinitas

    I work with a woman whose husband is in prison right now for beating her face to a pulp, and not just once. And when he gets out, he’s going right back to that home where she will welcome him with open arms because she “loves him.” I have no words.

  • Opiwan

    Fucking shocking… a republican responding to an actual violent act with serious consequences with “thoughts and prayers”. If only there were a way to help people that didn’t involve spending 10 seconds or less indulging in a meaningless thought poem to an invisible sky daddy…

  • Gorillionaire

    Thanks for this, Robyn.

  • VirginiaHighFiber

    That explains the no charges filed bull shit. GAAAAHHHHHHHH! !

  • “Praying for Rob” means he’s praying this doesn’t destroy Porter’s career.

    • Donna Mueller

      repiglicans are only sorry that they get caught.

  • u2u2u2

    In Utah, the domestic violence murder rate is .75/100k, while the national average is 1.71/100k. The author is able to skew the stats because Utah’s overall murder rate is very low.

    • darnyoudarnyoutoheck

      You do know that .75/100k is nothing to brag about, right?

      • H0mer0

        “Every man’s death diminishes me…”

        That bell has tolled many times and yet we keep offering thoughts and prayers rather than action.

      • u2u2u2

        I’m not bragging. The author’ premise is that Mormons (through association with Utah) have a higher rate of domestic violence murder than other people, and therefore Mormon men murder their wives more often than other groups, which of course leads the leftists here to the desired preconceived conclusion about Mormons and their religion. The rate is actually less than half the national average, which leads the opposite way.

    • Lefty Wright

      Considering the fact Mormons claim they are so morally upstanding and they represent the majority of Utah’s population, it’s a problem. That’s like saying the instance of child sexual abuse among evangelical pastors is lower than the general population. That population should be even less involved in abusive behavior.

      • u2u2u2

        Agree. Of course I would like it if no Mormon men ever killed their wives and no Evangelical abused kids. (that goes for all men). No follower of Christ should be able to contemplate such things. But this article presents a false picture which leads to a false conclusion.

        • It is not a false picture, or a false conclusion.
          Their rate, the statistic, is true.
          What you pulled out was a different number entirely.

    • TundraGrifter

      There’s some serious problems with crime statistics. The same people aren’t filing all the reports from across the US of A. If a married woman commits suicide because she can no longer tolerate being beaten up every day, is that a “domestic violence murder?” How do you know the same standards ae being applied in the same way in all 50 states?

      This is even worse when it comes to reporting crimes by the “race” of the criminal. What national standard is there to determine what individual is white, Black, or Hispanic? The FBI collects the data. Does it provide criteria for reporting?

      In many communities an individual who is 90% white and 10% Black would be reported as being “Black.” Does that make sense? Doesn’t that rather skew the data?

      • u2u2u2

        Yes, I’m sure you’re correct. For example, Utah isn’t all Mormon. About 60%. And less than half attend church regularly. So correlating data on Utah with data on Mormons, and thereby drawing conclusions on the effects of church policies is problematic. But without any clearer data there’s no basis for coming to a different conclusion

        • TundraGrifter

          The influence in Utah of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints extends far, far beyond the fact that 33% to 40% of the state’s citizens are not members. There certainly is another – and if I may, a far more logical – conclusion: the answer has yet to be determined.

    • TundraGrifter

      The trend is not their friend:

      From 2000-2011, there were 226 domestic violence-related homicides in Utah, averaging 19 deaths per year.

      November 11, 2017: Salt Lake City — (KUTV) Domestic Violence related deaths in Utah have now surpassed last year’s numbers according to the Domestic Violence Coalition — and the year is still not over.

      Jenn Oxborrow the executive director said so far this year they’ve seen 36 deaths, compared to 32 last year.

      • u2u2u2

        Church activity has also been in steady decline over that period. Correlation?

        • TundraGrifter

          Commonality. Coincidence? Perhaps. Correlation – let alone causation – requires far more proof.

    • therblig

      history shows that you’re a douchebag. comment history, that is.

      • u2u2u2

        I’m flattered that you took the time to pore through my comment history. You must consider me to be a very important person.

        • Takes like …2 seconds to glance at someone’s history?
          Also, until you learn how statistics work, I suggest sticking to something more in your wheel house- like screaming about Obama taking your guns, any day now.

        • Maybe

          It doesn’t work like that.

    • chascates

      Domestic-violence-related deaths account for approximately 30 percent of murders across the nation.
      In Utah, it’s 44 percent. And women are the most likely victims.
      When a woman’s intimate partner has a gun, the homicide risk from domestic violence increases 500 percent.

      https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/editorial/2018/01/03/tribune-editorial-utahs-high-rate-of-domestic-violence-homicide-is-unacceptable/

      • David Chaillou

        Wrong approach to the figures. The rate for domestic violence death (DVD) in Utah is half the national rate. That is a fact.

        Computing a ratio of DVD to total homicides makes sense only if DVD and non-DV homicides are two facets of the same phenomenon. Which serious research says they are not.

        Chicago has 5 times the average US rate for non-DV homicides, and twice the average rate for DVD. If we follow your reasoning, we should pretend that having twice the national rate of DVD somehow makes Chicago a haven of woman protection, because the street homicide rate is even worse. Twisted logic.

        And BTW, women are ALWAYS the most likely victims of conjugal violence. That is a constant of human nature. Murder is a male behaviour. The only category of homicide were women make up a significant share is infanticide.

        • Zippy49

          I call bullshit on that comment about women “always” most likely… that’s a self-contradictory statement.

          My first wife hit me more than once. So I left. Been married to #2 for 38 years.

          • David Chaillou

            Actually it isn’t self-contradictory. It means that across the known history of mankind women have always been the more frequent victim of domestic violence. Doesn’t mean that counter-examples don’t exist, just that they are never the rule.

    • andyshelt

      Moronic Trump supporting Jeebus freak says what?

      You do know Joseph Smith made up all that shit about golden tablets or are you gullible and deluded enough to believe that it was true?

      • u2u2u2

        Thank you for venting your personal rage issues here instead of victimizing some person in real life who would actually care.

        • andyshelt

          OK. let’s try again.

          As you are a Trump supporter, I’ll try not to use too many big words so that you can understand.

          You do realise that Mormonism is a racist cult founded by a convicted fraudster who believed that black people were a different species and that the Mormon church refused to accept black people into its priesthood up until 1978?

      • rg9rts

        As usual follow the money

    • rg9rts

      figures don’t lie………liars can figure

    • Maybe

      But most domestic violence does not result in murder, so those states are incomplete.

  • Heyzeus Ahchay

    Domestic violence (being brought to light) in any form is abhorrent. I am praying for Rob and those involved (in sinfully revealing it). — Moral Orrin

  • SDGeoff3

    This man is a leader in the Mormon cult. Any questions?

  • Orrin Hatch is a big steaming pile of dingos’ kidneys.

    • stubbornirishlass

      Dingo kidney libelz.

  • Donna Mueller

    orrin-go back to that pile of sand and rocks you call home and pound some where the sun doesn’t shine.

  • Upright Ape

    “Back in the day, Mormon women could take a punch. Then keep quiet about it. Sad.”
    Orrin Hatch

  • David Chaillou

    Speaking as a statistician, that comment on domestic violence in Utah is a misreading of the data.

    While domestic violence makes up a proportionately greater share of homicides in Utah than in the US (42% vs. 30%), it must be put in the context of the low homicide rate in Utah overall (1.8 per 100,000 vs. 4.9 for the rest of the country).

    This means the rate of domestic homicide in Utah is actually only half the national rate (0.75 per 100,000 vs. 1.5 national). It looks high only because there are proportionately even fewer non-domestic homicides in the state.

    By the way, with only 56 total homicides in 2015, we are in low sample size territory, so that 42% figure is highly unreliable – random chance says it could go up or down 10+ points in any given year.

    This does not necessarily detract from the discussion on whether LDS culture promotes domestic violence. But it does not particularly support it either.

    • H0mer0

      Doesn’t Utah make up for that deficit with their per capita internet porn consumption?

      • Rooster Cogburn105

        There’s a lot of “beating” but it’s non-violent

        And they can’t ever leave their abusers, poor dears.

        Sad

    • andyk304

      So fewer murders, but still a higher percentage are related to domestic violence. Not a hair I’d split if I was doing P.R. work for either Utah or the LDS.

      • Glass_Joe

        Statistics can be skewed to support whatever agenda one might have. It’s disingenous to present the data this way and only goes to support the notion that someone has a bone to pick. Truth is, Utah has half the rate of domestic abuse homocides when compared to the nation. What is it then that causes the rest of the nation to be higher? What’s different about Utah? What’s wrong with the rest of the country?

        • David Chaillou

          Alcohol abuse is a known major driver of both unintentional non-domestic homicide and of domestic violence. So a society which seriously frowns on drinking should have lower rates of both.

          • Glass_Joe

            They do. Much lower than the national average.

      • David Chaillou

        Wrong. Fewer murders AND fewer domestic violence murders. Your reasoning is fallacious.

        • Petunia Cat

          Look, there’s not much point recommending something to us that isn’t in English.

          • David Chaillou

            I looked for and couldn’t find a translation. Too bad, given that it’s actually research that was conducted in Canada and is therefore not irrelevant for North Americans.

            French is easy! It could have been in Russian or Japanese…

      • Jukesgrrl

        High percentage of online porn viewership, too. It was Salt Lake City’s Deseret News that reported Utah is #1 in online porn subscriptions. The national study was done by Benjamin Edelman, a Harvard economics professor.

        • Rooster Cogburn105

          “And when you worship Porn, do so in secret, not on the park bench across the High School “

    • idk. Statistically speaking, were there more homicides in general, the numbers seem to say there would be a higher than national average domestic homicide rate? I always figured that was the point of statistics, that when you find an average it holds regardless of the sampling pool increasing or decreasing?

      • Strange loop

        Not when the sample is so very small. One gang shootout would skew things tremendously.

        • Andy

          Or one school shooting.

          • Strange loop

            Yup. Pretty much anything.

      • David Chaillou

        No, as a rule across places and history, domestic homicide is a specific phenomenon quite apart from the other homicide categories (different actors motives and circumstances), and there is no linkage between the rates. I strongly recommend Cusson and Cusson’s “Les Homicides”, pdf on the internet, i am not sure if it exists in English although it definitely should. Well worth a read.

    • Maybe

      An interesting discussion. I guess I wonder about the stats for domestic violence minus homicide and wonder if Mormon women are culturally discouraged from accusing their men. That’s just speculation, but in some cultures women are encouraged to be seen and not heard.

      • Glass_Joe

        Mormon women are not discouraged from reporting domestic violence. Men and women in the church are encouraged to work hard at making marriage work and if that leads men or women to be less likely to report abuse then that is something that the culture should work on fixing. Marriage is not easy and too many people so easily give up instead of working on it but certainly domestic abuse should not be tolerated. Ever. On either side.

        • DT

          FOH “on either side”

          • Glass_Joe

            Oh yes, I forgot. Women can’t abuse men. That’s impossible. Silly me.

          • Maybe

            Of course women can abuse men, but the odds aren’t in that direction. When if does happen men may be very unlikely to report it because it’s not manly. Abuse is not a simply problem to solve.

        • Maybe

          In theory U.S. women are not discouraged from reporting domestic violence, but there are a lot of cultural pressures. One of them is that women are viewed as secondary people, especially in religions that allow only men to serve in certain positions of power. That sends a message.

          Our culture stereotypes male versus female behavior in a lot of ways that prescribes how both genders should behave. It is dehumanizing.

          It is also more likely in man-on-woman abuse that the woman may be afraid to report or feel helpless is she has children to care for and needs the man’s income. Men are less likely to be in that position, though they may be embarrassed to report that a woman abused them.

          It’s complicated.

          And I’m not an expert on Mormonism. My comment was based on the fallacy of using homicide statistics as a stand in for actual domestic abuse reports as proof of domestic abuse.

      • Niblet58

        The women AND the children are urged not to report anything to the cops.

        • Maybe

          I was lucky–I think–to be raised without religion. I have found no reason to change this.

          But it has always made sense to me that any religion that relegates women to secondary status would find it inappropriate for women to complain about men.

          I think this is worse in hardcore fundamentalist religions. I accept that even in those there will be exceptions, but it still seems hard for women to be taught that they are automatically inferior.

    • Petunia Cat

      Good to know. So looking at it sociologically Utah society is relatively low violence compared to other parts of the country. With the GLARING EXCEPTION of fatal violence against women. Actually homicide rates are hard to compare in different places and especially different eras because emergency medicine has improved so much, or in rural areas is so crappy today, that the relationship between death and having been attacked is different in different times and places. Which is why I’m glad I don’t have to do this kind of analysis. 😁

      • David Chaillou

        You still have a rate of domestic violence death which is only half the national average. How you construe that as evidence for your tenet is up to you.

  • andyshelt

    “Hatch, like Porter, like the women, is a Mormon.”

    Mormon (the second m is silent).

    Who would have thought that a believer in a cult founded by a convicted fraudster and was so racist that it refused to accept black members into its priesthood until 1978 (yes, that’s 1978 not 1878!) could be such a misogynistic bigoted prick.

    I’m utterly shocked, I tell you.

    • rg9rts

      Mitt Romney??

  • Jon Sussex

    I think Hatch was right in his description of himself as a politically motivated, morally bankrupt character assassin. Wait, what?

  • rg9rts

    I guess they were supposed to be practice wives…

  • Maybe

    Isn’t it at least somewhat odd that privileged white men are ALWAYS the victims?

    How do you suppose that happens?

    • Gonna guess white man said so?

    • Keith Taylor

      Because privileged white men make the rules. Oh. It was a rhetorical question. I’m slow and literal-minded sometimes.
      Understand the sentiment behind, “Fuck you, Orrin Hatch,” but I’d be inclined to say “Piss on you from a great height, Orrin Hatch,” instead. Even the mental image of fucking him is too much.

  • Strange loop

    Y’all need to recheck your math.

    • kareemachan

      ??

  • ExecutorElassus

    So, Russian Conspiracy Twitter has been advocating for some time now the (I’d argue naïvely optimistic) claim that, since both Pence and Ryan are also up to their eyeballs in Russia shit, if That Asshole goes down for the Russia thing they go down, too, and we will be left with “President Hatch.”
    I guess that’s not going to happen either, now, is it?

    • Rooster Cogburn105

      It’s assholes all the way down

  • Annie Towne

    Yes, all those poor, sad wife-beating men need Hatch’s help. Well, they do need help, but somehow, I don’t think that’s what Hatch and his little friends mean.

    • Rooster Cogburn105

      I’m available to help them, I’ll bring lots of votes, a flashlight, and a sack lunch of soft foods for the guys

      Because when the votes wear off, it’ll be dark and they’ll be hungry

  • RugzYaBurnt

    It’s good to remember that the LDS’s philosophy–or a factionalist version thereof–was cited in the Lafferty’s conversation with a baby explaining why said baby and her mother needed to die, because they were pretty sure that’s what God wanted. Real upstanding family men, in other words.

  • svejk

    thing about orrin is, you know he’s just sitting up there in congress looking all prissy-banker in those $3000 suits, but wearing bright red women’s underwear underneath. every. single. day.

    • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

      He is in J. Edgar Hoover’s fan club?

    • Niblet58

      Is it over or under his special magic lds undies? Inquiring minds want to know!!!!

    • crawdaddy

      Orrin is prissy but he is also one angry MF’er, and both of these endearing qualities are right on the surface for everyone to see and it makes him a truly scary human being. If anyone in Orrin’s family somehow survived traumatic childhoods and grew into, although emtionally bruised and scarred, normal adults, they have to marvel at trying to remember the last time Orrin had an actual, genuine human interaction with another human.

  • Marva

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    • sillyclucker

      Have you met my relatives ??!! YOU go spend time with them after you work your some few hours daily.

  • Mark Harper

    The saddest thing about Hatch and Trump and so many other men like them is that they relate to the MEN in these stories and have powerful instincts to defend abusive men they like. There are two reasons for this, I believe. First, they simply respect and value men differently (they are men, and feel uncomfortable or even threatened by gender equality). Second, they UNDERSTAND that sometimes, unpleasant as it can be, you just NEED to pop a woman in the kisser for gettin’ sassy. That’s what I believe they personally feel. They empathize with the MEN in these situations. It’s gross, and pathetic, and primitive. But that’s the old men’s club which so many men in America still belong. Google ads from the 1950s post-war, picket fence, baby-booming prosperity era. Lots of ads poke fun at men abusing their wives in beer commercials or cigarette ads. A Pitney Bowes ad from that era is entitled “Is It Always Illegal To Kill A Woman?” The man in the ad is upset that the lady in the ad doesn’t want to learn how to use a postage meter. He wants to know if he can murder her! You know, cuz HAR HAR!!! This wasn’t hundreds of years ago. This was when my dad was young. We have a LONG way to go.

    • M.E. Lawrence

      Oh, you liberals/feminists/black people just don’t have a sense of humor: my favorite disgusting excuse for bad behavior.

    • Dante Ardenz

      They actually believe that mid century USA actually exists somewhere . Like ancient Arcadia . I travel a lot and meet people rich and poor . For good ,or bad ,it’s ALL over ” Conservatives”. Stop fooling yourselves.

  • Trumpsters_are_fools

    so “He’s a good guy… I don’t understand what happened there.” is the equivalent of “he was quiet and kept to himself”?

    • javadavis

      More likely, IMO, that ‘I don’t understand what happened there.” is the equivalent of ‘she knows (they know) she was supposed to keep her mouth shut about this,’

  • IdRatherBeDancing

    I’m shocked! Shocked I tell you! Who knew that a fossilized white man would not get it.

    • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

      Upvote for fossilized!

  • chronozoan

    If the catholic church can be investigated for covering up sexual abuse by priests then maybe someone ought to be looking into the church of latter day saints.

    • M.E. Lawrence

      My husband growls, “Shouldn’t they ever!” so consider that another upvote.

    • Mentally Stable Ron

      Ever read any history of them? This has been a problem since the beginning. Smith appears to have begun his phony church as a way to get power and sex for himself and his buds.

      • Rooster Cogburn105

        It started as a “Short Eyes” Creepy Cult and hasn’t strayed far from home

  • MAZS

    Since Hatch believes “in helping people”, I trust he is actively “helping” undocumented immigrants from being torn apart from their families………..as if.

    • Trip Space-Parasite

      You just have to know what he means by the word “people”… (And “help”, and probably “believe”…)

  • JDM

    Infants think that when they close their eyes and can’t see something, that something no longer exists. Most people grow out of that while still children. The others grow up to be Republicans.

  • James Baskin

    Porter is a Mormon? Oh.

  • Relativicus

    “Good sir, your open display of poverty is grossly undignified!”

  • Mike Steele

    Sitting US Senator, who knows nothing of your life, pegs you as ‘politically-motivated, morally bankrupt character assassin’, while church elders, supposedly available to help, insist that your priority should be considering spouse’s career prospects. Meanwhile, once you’re dead, these are the same people who will ask ‘why did she stay?’. Sounds like a lose/lose proposition for ladies of faith…

  • Michael

    GOP: Guardians Of Perverts

  • SKruetheratbassedarDs

    Denomination, Party, Self, Family, Country, in that order.

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