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Erica Garner, the anti-police-violence activist, has been declared brain-dead. A new mother of a four-month old baby — named Eric, for her father, who was choked to death by New York city cops for selling loosie cigarettes without a license — she suffered a massive heart attack this week. The New York Daily News reports her family has been called in to be with her as she goes.

There is no way to separate Garner’s death from our recent knowledge of maternal mortality in the United States, exposed in long, detailed reports from ProPublica. One particularly heart-rending installment of the series followed the life and death of Shalon Irving, a striving, perfectionist, overachieving epidemiologist for the Centers for Disease Control who was herself focused on researching our nation’s Third World levels of black maternal mortality. While one doesn’t need two doctorates to realize black women are going to predominantly bear the brunt of a lack of access to care — let alone quality care — the fact that a woman of such means would herself die shortly after having her baby left pretty much only one explanation, one that was well-fleshed out by ProPublica: The stress of everyday racism on black women’s bodies, in combination with their pregnancies, is killing them.

In New York City, where Erica Garner suffered one heart attack after her baby was born and another this week, black women are 12 times more likely than white women to die of complications from their pregnancies. Black women with college degrees are more likely to die from their pregnancies than white women who finish high school.

Researchers call the stress on black women’s bodies from a lifetime of racism and abuse “weathering.” It affects poor women, middle-class women, the educated, the successful, the lieutenant colonels in the US Public Health Service. The same risks in pregnancy a white woman might have in her 40s start in a black woman’s 30s, according to ProPublica, compounded by biases health-care providers may not even realize they have. Black women don’t get proper pain medication; they aren’t believed when they say something’s “not right.” When they die, they leave babies behind to be raised by bereft fathers and grandmothers. Shalon Irving’s grieving mother will raise her daughter beautifully, but she will still, presumably, live in the United States of America.

Erica Garner watched her father murdered by agents of the state. Strangers abused her and screamed epithets at her every day since, and they aren’t stopping now. Pieces of human filth didn’t stop mocking her when she suffered her heart attack, as she lay in a coma. Her son Eric will live in the United States of America too.

Our society failed Erica Garner a thousand times. It is past time to FUCKING STOP IT.

[DailyNews / ProPublica]

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  • elviouslyqueer

    Amen.

  • armed_bears
  • Anne Of Green Bagels

    watch out, wypipo.

  • Oblios_Cap

    Sometimes I’m not sure I believe the USA is the greatest country in the world.

    • Proud Liberal

      It certainly isn’t right now.

      • MynameisBlarney

        Was it ever, really?

        • anon_the_great

          Yeah, it was. We beat the fucking Nazis and then the fuckin Japs.

          • MynameisBlarney

            About that.
            We came in to the war late and we weren’t the only ones fighting them.
            We helped defeat those countries. We didn’t win on our own.

          • MynameisBlarney

            And we refused entry to the US to Jewish refugees fleeing Europe during that time.

          • Oblios_Cap

            It was getting old and needed some new infrastructure, I guess.

          • sarafina

            Until Hiroshima and Nagasaki got nuked Europe reliably fought amongst themselves (England, France, Germany, Spain, Italy) roughly every 20 years. WWI was the war of the 1st cousins, as the heads of England, Russia and Germany were all the result of Victoria’s marrying off her kids as commodities.

            The world is still not at peace, but the wars are smaller, and mostly seem to involve the U.S. Trump may get us nuked, though.

          • Daniel

            But you did manage to do it while racially segregating your armed services.

          • MynameisBlarney

            We can multi-task?

          • SkinlessGenderlessMan

            OT: We are going to be in Garden Cove at about 10:30 to go kayaking.

          • MynameisBlarney

            Ah shit. looks like I just missed ya.

          • SkinlessGenderlessMan

            Had a nice trip n the mangroves and had lunch/dinner at MEAT Eatery at MM88. Northbound again…

          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            “fuckin japs”, he says

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Define ‘world’.

      • dansezlajavanaise

        same as for the “world series”?

    • shivaskeeper

      It never was. But the potential is there. It really is.

      • ((( Augustus )))

        it was, from 1942-1945

        we been ridin’ that wave ever since

        • shivaskeeper

          We had problems then too. Japanese internment camps in the States. Racially segregated units in the military. FFS we still award Silver Stars and Medals of Honor from WWII, posthumously of course, because the Soldier that earned it was too black, or too Hispanic, or too Jewish, or Catholic, or whatever else they were for their Commanders to even consider high ranking awards. Some of the Troops that stormed the beaches on D-Day were not treated like full citizens even though they were.

          We do good in the world. We really do. The problem as I see it, is that when we do good and win a victory for justice, we tend to sit back and congratulate ourselves about how awesome we are and let the regressives take it all back instead of fighting on. We tend to think a battle is the war. Then we say we are tired of fighting the same battles over and over again and give up.

        • badphairy

          For some people.

      • Kiri the Unicorn

        Yeah, I keep hoping we’ll eventually be worthy of all the nice words in our founding documents.

        • shivaskeeper

          We are worthy of them. It takes work to win them and eternal vigilance to keep them.

      • badphairy

        I no longer believe it is.

        • shivaskeeper

          Then quit fighting.

          If there is nothing to fight for or towards anymore there is no need to fight.

          • badphairy

            You asked a question, I answered. I didn’t ask for you to tell me how to live. So, don’t.

            As it turns out, I am in process to leave the U.S., because I don’t think this fight is worth it anymore. I’ve been fighting since I was 10 years old. I am still not considered a useful citizen of this country. I would rather leave and enjoy what time I have left, with civil rights, health care, and maybe someday some hope.

            The U. S. is bankrupt, sold out, and useless. Perhaps it will rise again in a generation or two, but it’s not worth my time anymore.

          • shivaskeeper

            I did not ask a question. I made a few statements. I also did not tell you how to live your life.

            You just said you are quitting and leaving because nothing is worth it. Unless you decided to quit fighting and leave the country because of my comment I had nothing to do with it. Since it’s not the case that I had anything to do with it, that’s on you.

            How my comment could possibly be offensive or considered argumentative to someone who is already doing what I suggested is a mystery to me.

            I hope that wherever you go, you get what you want with no struggle required. I hope its all easy for you when you leave. I truly do.

          • Er, as someone from another country, why do you need to believe that USA IS THE GREATEST to keep fighting? I know my own country is pretty crappy, maybe top 20 at best, but I want to fight for it to KEEP that rating, maybe improve it.

          • shivaskeeper

            I didn’t say we were the greatest. I never said we had to be the greatest. I said we have the potential for greatness, but it has to be fought for.

            If there is no potential for greatness, no potential for being better than we currently are or living up to the ideals we claim to believe in, then what I said stands – there is no reason to fight to be better.

            The commenter I was replying to said there is nothing here worth fighting for and by extension we should all just give up. Granted, I read into a short comment for the second part of that, but I don’t really see any other conclusion that can be drawn in context.

          • badphairy

            No, I did not say “we should all just give up”, you put those words in my mouth, and then responded in kind. That’s bullshit.

            The entire sum of my initial statement in was “I no longer believe it is”, and you responded like the usual white male azzhat with “stop fighting” and I’ll add “Nyaah nyaah”.

            Perhaps if you just acknowledged you want to be an edgelord rather than trying to cloak it in BS, you would find a more positive audience.

            Seriously, treating someone’s genuine loss of their country with the callousness you’ve done, is disgusting. I hope you’re proud of yourself.

            *I’d be willing to bet the first justification is “but I’m not white”.

          • shivaskeeper

            The sum total of what I know of you is one comment. You responded to a few statements that I made where I said there are things worth fighting for and believing in about this country.

            I have already said I read into your single comment that you don’t believe there is anything worth fighting for. All I did was take your comment at face value, in the context of the other comments on that part of the thread, and bring it to a conclusion. If that conclusion was wrong you could have corrected me. You did not.

            I am supposed to infer that you are sad you are leaving? Where would I get that from your comnents? Again, all I have is a short sentence to start with and and then a reply that you were leaving.

            As for whether I was looking for a positive audience or not, I wasn’t. I made a statement I believe. People are free to agree or disagree as they will.

          • badphairy

            Then why did you ascribe an entire mindset to me, unconnected to the words I actually posted?

            I assert that you are here as ‘subtle’ concern trolling, and if I managed to notice, you aren’t as good as you think you are.

            Back to the drawing board, Sparky.

          • shivaskeeper

            Whatever. My comment history is open. Feel free to take a look. I don’t concern troll.

            In context my assumption and reply was a valid conclusion. Instead of correcting me, you jumped right to aggrieved status.

          • badphairy

            Yeah, that may be your version, it certainly isn’t mine, and I leave bystanders to their own judgment, unlike you.

            Funny how you want to pretend to be the victim, since I removed your “I’m not white” faux defense early on. Nope, fail again.

          • shivaskeeper

            Look, you said you do not believe this country is worth fighting for, in the context of the rest of the comments, and you are leaving. Where is the problem? You get to quit fighting, which you claim to have been doing since you were 10 years old and go somewhere you want to be. Again, where is the problem?

            When you comment you are longer a bystander. If you comment directly to me you are certainly no longer a bystander.

            I’m not the one claiming to be a the victim. I would say you have no right to victim status either, but I won;t stop you from claiming it.

            What faux defense did I use? Did I claim to be something I’m not at some point? Or did you do what you are accusing me of and ascribe something to me while claiming I am doing that to you? Projection much? Or is it just the gibberish I suspect it is?

            I think we’re about done here. You are going to be continue to be aggrieved just to be aggrieved and I am going to continue to not care that you are aggrieved over it.

          • badphairy

            This also just seems like a really crappy response.

          • shivaskeeper

            Me: Things here are worth fighting for.

            You: No it’s not. It all sucks.

    • The Wanderer

      “A more perfect Union” still eludes us. Of course, perfection is unattainable, but we can at least fucking try.

    • Nigel R. Toppinglift, III

      Sure we are! Just ask us!

      Ugh.

    • The USA’s founding documents include some great principles that would be make the country a shining beacon for the globe.

      Exactly the same thing is true of the USSR.

  • Rick Hill

    “Our society failed Erica Garner a thousand times.”

    Does it help that it’s working on failing a much wider swath of it’s citizens?

    • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

      no

      • Rick Hill

        Our society replies ” Tough noogies.”

  • MynameisBlarney

    Goddamn.

    • BreakingDeadMen

      New York City Goddam

    • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

      ‘murrkkka goddamn

      • Msgr_MΩment

        “God damn, America,” as Obama used to shout.

        • ((( Augustus )))

          my favorite time he did that was while urinating on Reagan’s grave

          • Rick Hill

            “….urinating on Reagan’s grave”

            To be fair, a lot of us have done that

        • Rick Hill

          It’s in the whitey video, I heard it

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          from his front seat IN THE MOSQUE

  • ginmar

    NO. Nobody who is younger than me is allowed to die.

    First we killed her dad.

    Now her.

  • Daniel

    And to think, if only we didn’t talk about any of this it would just stop happening.

    Why do libs keep on learning things- not just for themselfs but learning to all of the rest of us?!!?!

  • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

    i dont wanna see one snarky, attempted-funny fucking non-comment on this

    • anon_the_great

      Well intended sure, but yer not my Mom.

      • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

        dont be a dick

        • anon_the_great

          I’ll be whatever… Fight urge….Walking away.

          Have a nice day.

          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            yeah, you too…and to your mom, after she reads this article and tells ya to try not to be a dick

          • RickyG

            With votes!

          • Oblios_Cap

            Where’s yer 8s?

          • anon_the_great

            My Mom ain’t gonna read nothin. She’s dead. For real

      • Rick Hill

        Who’s yer Daddy?

    • Shan

      People cope with tragedy and rage in different ways. It’s not up to you to decide for everyone else how.

      • Daniel

        I cope with tragedy and rage by deciding how others should. Then they ignore me, which presumably is their way of dealing with it. It’s all a circle of futility, really.

      • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

        the only thing i’ve decided is that, if one’s first reaction to reading this is to try to make funny, one just mght have some serious sociopathic lack-of empathy issues

        • Daniel

          I disagree.

          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            yeah…you’re wrong

          • Daniel

            And you’re unconvincing.

            Responding to tragedy with humour is a fairly common human response. The lack of empathy, it seems to me, is from the person that rushes to condemn others for reacting that way rather than understanding this.

          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            ok…give it a shot…give us your best fucking funny about this…go ahead, this should be really good

          • Daniel

            No.

          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            yeah, that’s what i thought

          • Daniel

            I don’t think you thought at all. You’re boring, and sanctimonious.

            And evidently haven’t read the rest of the comments.

          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            ok…here’s my best sanctimonous go-fuck-yo-sef, cause some things just arent fucking funny

          • Daniel

            Fuck off.

          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            yup

          • anon_the_great

            True, some things are not funny. The death of this woman is one. On the other hand some people, such as yourself, are insufferable pricks.

          • anon_the_great

            No, you are. I recognise you don’t think there is any humor here, that’s fine, but telling others how to deal with tragedy is being a dick.

          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            ok, then, george fucking carlin…convince me…give us some funny on this….i got all day

          • Daniel

            Why?

          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            it appears to be really important to you that you have the unfettered right to be A#1 funny mothafucka about every gawdamm tragic fucking thing, so lets hear it don fuckin rickles…give it a shot, go ahead…i’m sure it will be fucking hilarious and comforting to the afflicted, all at once

          • The Wanderer

            And we’re done here.

          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            good

          • anon_the_great

            Oh Honey, did you mistake this place for Breitbart?

          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            evidently, i mistook it (for the past 5yrs orso) as a place where reasonably intelligent people could tell the difference between articles that deserved smart-ass snarky shit, and articles that should bring out the best, most empathetic responses, and that if that type of response didnt come quickly to mind, that maybe it would be best to not say anything and move on to another article

          • Shan

            Did anyone actually DO that, though? You’re complaining about something that hasn’t happened. And being a dick about it in the process.

          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            i merely stated that i didnt think this was an article that required, invited, or lent itself to snark/funny….and the self-absorbed, self-first defenses knee-jerked…go ahead…be all the funny mothafuckas ya wanna be, right here on this post about a really fucked up situation rigt here in ‘murrika…i’m sure it’ll look great on yas

          • Shan

            No. You came in and pre-emptively tone-policed everyone and then called them psychopaths and mothafuckas for objecting to being told the only “appropriate” way to express themselves.

          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            seriously?…is this worth all this?…so go ahead then…it’s a free country and mommy blog…funny away…bwaaahahahahahahaaaa…erica garner died of a heart attack, and black women in particular are dying from childbirth at near-epidemic rates…..haHAAAAAA, that’s some funny shit, i’m sure eventually, i’ll come up with the cleverest, snarky funny-mothafukerest shit i’ve ever thought of cause imma dealin with my rage-grief by being a funny mothafucka…

            this is the saddest, dumbest, most self-absorbed shit i’ve ever read on this site

          • Daniel

            You’re just trolling.

            I don’t get why, but I assume it’s how you grieve.

            That said, I don’t have to enable it.

          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            then stfu

          • Daniel

            No.

          • anon_the_great

            You must have better things to do…

            Yannow, at first I was willing to be nice, but you are just another fuckin asshole shouting at strangers.

          • Daniel

            So your objection is not to people responding with jokes, but with people responding with jokes you don’t find funny.

          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            nope, wrong, missed it…if after reading this article, your mind goes to ‘ooh, lets make funny, and fuck with someone who points out that just maybe there’s nothing funny to be said about this situation”, you’re a fucking sociopath just trying to rationalise an indefensible position…which is understandable, considering that rationalising is what humans, and sociopaths in particular, do best

          • Daniel

            Your talents for psychological insights are matched only by your command of the written word.

            Fuck off.

          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            and also with you

          • The Wanderer

            Who are you to say how another reacts to tragedy is ‘wrong?’ How do you know what goes on in another person’s psyche?

          • Daniel

            Concern troll.

          • The Wanderer

            Apparently so.

          • Shan

            It’s the pre-crime tone police department.

          • Daniel

            Pre-crime Tone Police – the tribute act that proves Sting is a Dick.

          • The Wanderer

            When wasn’t Sting a dick?

          • anon_the_great

            OH NOW you’ve gone and done it. The first three Police albums are pretty damned good.

          • Daniel

            Is the third about a bicycle?

          • Shan

            Hey, I always enjoyed his music!

        • Shan

          I’m glad for you that all your decisions are so clear cut and simple. Not everyone is the same.

    • MynameisBlarney

      I understand, but for some folks, snark is their way of dealing with pain.

      • sarafina

        Or you could shut up and go find another article.

    • The Wanderer

      I laugh to keep from screaming.

  • Shibusa

    Great post.
    RIP, Erica Garner.

  • Rachel Book Harlot

    No words for how terribly sad this. As if this family hasn’t suffered enough. My heart goes out to them.

  • nightmoth

    Oh, no! I saw she’d had a heart attack. I’m so sad about this. Over 20 years ago my paramedic husband said that he was responding to so many black people with heart trouble because of endemic racism affecting them.

  • MynameisBlarney

    When our country calls out another country on their human rights abuses, we’re damn sure not bringing up how poorly we treat the non-white male population here in the US.

    • TJ Barke

      Hell, the whole of the poor population.

      • The real issue is that a good portion of poor whites are party to their own degradation. Hell, the main reason a national health service was never formed was because it would have forced hospital integration.

        • Ninja0980

          Yup.
          As LBJ said if poor whites have someone to look down on, they’ll let you pick their pockets until there is nothing left and then some.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Donald has indicated that human rights abuses are not a problem. Just having a mouthy leader is.

  • ariel_gee_398

    Like her father, she developed asthma. A severe asthma attack triggered this heart attack. We know it’s killing black people, we just don’t seem to care very much. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/06/07/481092103/scientsts-seek-genetic-clues-to-why-asthma-is-deadlier-in-blacks

    • MynameisBlarney

      Environmental Genocide.

    • badphairy

      We do indeed care. We care to not stop it.

  • dshwa

    I have nothing to add to this, snark or otherwise. Our maternal and infant mortality rates are worse than some third world countries.

    • Rick Hill

      Our average lifespan has dropped, two years in a row now.

      republicans-“Winning!”

      • dshwa

        Largely the opiods crisis. These rates have been shitty far longer than 2 years.

        • Rick Hill

          That’s a lot of deaths to affect the overall rates.

          • badphairy

            It’s a lot of new, white people dying, many of them young.

          • Ms.Moon

            The reason this is a crisis is because white people are dying. When black people went through the crack epidemic in the 80’s it wasn’t a priority to see them go to rehab and get help. Black people were locked up at a clip, entire communities were abandoned and many people died in the streets because people of color were the victims of crack. There is a great deal more compassion for white opioid addicts even the vocabulary being used in the conversations about this problem is entirely different.

          • badphairy

            You are absolutely correct.

            ETA: You would still be, at twice the volume.

          • When heroin was sweeping through black communities in the 1970’s Nixon created the War on Drugs to specifically target African Americans.

            http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/index.html

          • Good_Gawd_Yall

            I thought the same thing. What level of death from opioids must there be to impact the mortality rates of a country of +330 million? It has to be astonishing. According to the CDC, in 2015 there were +33,000 deaths from overdoses. While that’s a hell of a lot, it must have skyrocketed in 2016 and this year, right?

          • Shan

            They’re also projected, aren’t they? It’s not just hard data, they’re extrapolating, right?

          • Good_Gawd_Yall

            I don’t honestly know. I live in a community that’s been walloped by the opioid crisis and sometimes it’s too overwhelming to pay the attention it deserves to the problem.

          • sarafina

            Isn’t “+33,000” close to the number of gun deaths? Of course, without the constant people coming in legally the deaths from guns, cars, opioids, giving birth might be more noticeable.

          • dshwa

            True, but it’s also who it’s been killing. Once it started taking out white people in droves, it started hitting the people who had been keeping the overall numbers higher. That’s also when it suddenly became a “crisis,” because that’s how this country rolls.

    • Oblios_Cap

      Our per capita economic measures aren’t all that wonderful either.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      The goal of our parasite overclass is to turn this into a third world country. They see the socioeconomic model of them as precisely where we should be headed. A handful of rich lording over endless masses of poor.

  • AnnieGetYerFun

    Does anyone here have any ideas as to how we can get involved, financially or otherwise, in combating this? I know that much of it will involve massive overhauls to the very core of our culture, but where do we begin?

    • MynameisBlarney

      Voting out every last goddamned republican.

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        Yes, but sooner than that.

        • MynameisBlarney

          I don’t think much can be done with so many fuckin repubs in office making sure shit stays fucked up.

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            At the local level, though? Organizations that are the most effective to contribute to? Am I good sticking with the NAACP?

          • MynameisBlarney

            Good question. Though I don’t know the answer.
            Can’t go wrong with the NAACP as far as I know.
            Maybe they know of some orgs or programs that will help more directly.

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            I know the NAACP is a tried and true organization – it’s just that sometimes I think the bigger orgs can be behemoths. Then again, I guess that’s how I feel about the DNC, and I still wouldn’t go without them entirely–yet.

          • Good_Gawd_Yall

            It’s going to take a big organization to effect change. If we couldn’t achieve any permanent steps forward in race relations while we had a black president, we for sure aren’t going to do that under a racist fuckwit like the dotard. If the NAACP is a behemoth, we need to make it a nuclear-powered, sharks-with-frickin-laser-beams-on-their-heads behemoth. IMO

          • Shan

            There are PACs dedicated to getting more POC running for and elected to office.

          • The Wanderer

            NAACP’s a good start. I’m a member, and a member of the ACLU.

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            That reminds me, I have to renew with the ACLU.

          • SayItWithWookies

            Here’s a group referenced in the Pro Publica article: The Black Mamas Matter Alliance that seems to be addressing the problem directly.

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            Thanks, Wookies! Hope you have a lovely new year. :)

          • SayItWithWookies

            You too, Annie!

          • kareemachan

            NAACP, ACLU, and PP. All of these are SO needed.

          • sarafina

            Although many on here will disagree, there are local churches who do good things. Find a food shelf or a women’s shelter or foster a kid, if you can. Call Planned Parenthood, deliver Meals on Wheels. Heck, volunteer at a library.

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            You raise a valid point. There are plenty of churches around me that do excellent work. I am not religious, but that doesn’t mean that I can’t help.

        • There’s no short-term solution because the problems are so deeply rooted. It would take a decade to clean up corrupt, racist police departments and a century to clean up pollution in poor and minority communities.

          It’s a long fight against centuries of exploitation and oppression, and we don’t have the liberty to slack off until it’s over.

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            I’m not asking how to solve it in two months. I’m asking where to start at this point in time.

          • At this point, it’s got to be an all-out political push in 2018, from school boards to the Senate. If decent Dems can take Congress, they can stop the hemorrhaging. Gone are the days of uncontested GOP seats.

          • MynameisBlarney

            Yup.
            Every last repub has to go.

          • Maybe keep Gohmert around as a zoo exhibit to show just how stupid and evil Republicans are…

          • kareemachan

            …and have a supply of overripe tomatoes on hand….

          • Oblios_Cap

            I don’t think I’ll be able to make the whole century, but I’ll go as long as I can.

          • shivaskeeper

            Then that’s what you do. All of us now start where the trailblazers before us had to stop. You move as far towards the goal as you can and when you can’t anymore someone takes where you had to stop.

            No one can fault you for that. No one can say you didn’t do enough because you personally couldn’t finish what is going to take generations to fix.

    • Darlene Underdahl

      Be a pest on social media. I think I’ve flipped a few former classmates. I’ve pointed out over-and-over that poor black women might get some welfare, but it’s less than 1% of the budget. Once in a while a white male takes a run at me but I don’t care.

    • suziq

      I think we need to get the millennials and other youngs around their age to start getting involved and running for office and of course VOTING. They have more socialist tendencies and loved Bernie for his democratic socialist ideas. The regular old D and R parties are falling apart and need a new overhaul. Running Bernie again, or Biden is not what we need. New blood will invigorate the people. Young people who plan on hanging around on this planet for a while would probably like to have clean water to drink and clean air to breathe. They need to focus on how to make that happen, we aren’t going to be around all that much longer to either fix it or screw it up worse.
      *speaking as an old person, I know there are young people here who do care-start getting involved and inspiring people your age!

      • Darlene Underdahl

        The oldest grandson is getting political at twenty-five, and he’s a good liberal.

    • Jon Sussex

      Some Planned Parenthood health centers provide low-cost or free prenatal care.

  • The Wanderer

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FMUttpSllY

    Goin’ home, goin’ home, I’m a goin’ home;
    Quiet-like, some still day, I’m jes’ goin’ home.
    It’s not far, jes’ close by,
    Through an open door;
    Work all done, care laid by,
    Goin’ to fear no more.
    Mother’s there ‘spectin’ me,
    Father’s waitin’ too;
    Lots o’ folk gather’d there,
    All the friends I knew,
    All the friends I knew.
    Home, I’m goin’ home!

    Nothin lost, all’s gain,
    No more fret nor pain,
    No more stumblin’ on the way,
    No more longin’ for the day,
    Goin’ to roam no more!
    Mornin’ star lights the way,
    Res’less dream all done;
    Shadows gone, break o’ day,
    Real life jes’ begun.
    There’s no break, there’s no end,
    Jes’ a livin’ on;
    Wide awake, with a smile
    Goin’ on and on.

  • SayItWithWookies

    What a fucking horror show our country is — now we’re dismantling the ACA, which I still think was one of the greatest steps in civil rights in the last thirty years, while cutting taxes again. And all the while millions of individual moms and kids suffer, but as long as Paul Ryan and his rich benefactors don’t hear about it, it’s not happening.

    The worst is that the childbirth-related deaths are eminently treatable and preventable, as are asthma-related deaths.

    • Oblios_Cap

      Well, relaxing EPA rules will help make it worse.

  • Red Bird

    This is sad but not surprising. And I doubt it will ever change.

    • Darlene Underdahl

      Reagan painted black women as welfare cheats even if they get very little. It stuck in the heads of white men and some white women. Get in an argument with an older white, and that will come up every time.

      • suziq

        The welfare queen driving one of her many Cadillacs. Then there were the “young bucks” too-scary Black men that were going to do bad things to your daughters. Fuck that guy. With votes I guess, but since he is dead it wasn’t literal.

        • amrak63

          The real fear of white male bigots is not that black or brown men will rape white women, but rather that white women will choose to fuck black and brown men, because they make more proficient and/or affectionate lovers (or so the bigots think).

          • badphairy

            White women can also choose black and brown women, just sayin’. You have no idea how insane that makes wyt men.

          • And for most of American history white men were the ones raping black women. I bring that fact up because Recy Taylor died today. She attempted to bring the gang of white men who raped her to trial in 1944. Rosa Parks (who survived an attempted rape) was her NAACP investigator. A documentary called The Rape of Recy Taylor was released earlier this month. Here’s the trailer.
            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zyC7yHeFVZY

        • badphairy

          Hey, HEY, I am doing bad things to at least 3 white men’s daughters on a regular basis.

          So there. :D

          • suziq

            So long as they are of age and willing, good for you!

  • Villago Delenda Est

    My country is failing its ideals every day, and some cheer this on.

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      “some” = “about half”?

      • amrak63

        No, not nearly half of the total population.

        However, they are nearly half of the reliable voters.

        Ultimately, the lions’s share of the blame for our current situation falls not on the wingnut booboisie, or their Dear Leader Trump, or even on his Actual Leader Putin.

        It falls on the voluntary non-voters who just couldn’t be bothered to get off their sorry lazy asses and vote, because Hillary and the Dems just didn’t inspire the poor widdle snowflakes enough.

        I exclude, of course, the involuntary non-voters, who were prevented by GOP dirty tricks, or plain bad luck, from voting–they are blameless.

        • HooverVilles

          However, they are nearly half of the reliable voters.

        • badphairy

          Yeah, half of the total wyt pop or more. Even the ones who are sure they are not.

  • Edith Prickly

    To say I’m appalled by this doesn’t really get to the depth of emotion I’m feeling. It’s a bone-deep anger and revulsion. How does this happen in a first-world country?

    • The US isn’t a first-world country anymore. We’re a banana republic with a fuckton of nukes.

      • amrak63

        Much like the Soviet Union, one of whose former secret police thugs is now the de facto ruler of the USA.

        Once again, thanks a fucking heap, Stupid White Folks of Real Amurka. I thank the Ascended Madoka I somehow managed to evolve beyond my socio-political environment.

    • Walt Corwin

      It probably wouldn’t happen in a first-world country.

  • A Bashful Nobody

    Having recently been very ill myself, this story made me have a sad. Life is so tenuous……don’t ever postpone doing something good.

  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    This story makes my heart hurt.

  • ariel_gee_398
    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      From his lips to God’s ears!

    • sarafina

      “limited brain function” is not optimal. I do wish her the best recovery-wise.

    • dshwa

      That may be good news. But speaking from experience, if she was down any prolonged length of time the resulting physical and cognitive damage is usually staggering. I hope she makes a full recovery, but from the limited information I have from what happened, that’s sounding very unlikely.

      • ariel_gee_398

        Absolutely – it’s not great news. But I think it seems important to the family that she not be written off just yet, so while the reality could be grim, I’m hoping for the best.

  • janecita

    I’m so sorry for her two little kids. She was so young, only 27:-(

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    God damn it. That is all.

  • calliecallie

    This is very sad. America sucks. I don’t even know what to say. I hate Republicans.

  • Daniel

    How ugly is this likely to get with regards to the alt-right, Fox news and sundry other faecal scrapings getting hold of it?

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      Well, they’ll start with fat-shaming and move on to wondering aloud where the baby’s daddy is, so I’m guessing . . . pretty fucking ugly.

      • Pisto75666

        I’ve looked at a couple of threads on Twitter today, the fat-shaming’s already in full gear.

        I really dislike people some days.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      I’ve seen this before. Steve Gilliard was a friend of mine. Real fucking ugly.

    • BearsEarsDeLaOursistance

      Feces libel! At least that can be processed into fertilizer and grow something positive.

  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    Late, as always, I’m just reading “The Help” and it is blowing my mind. One of the first things that happens is that the white family builds an unheated box in its garage for a toilet for their black maid to use so she doesn’t use their toilet inside their house. I just . . . how do you hire someone to care for your children, prepare your food, make your bed, launder your clothes, and clean your home and you don’t want to sit down on a toilet she might have had to use? (I do realize the book is fiction, but I would bet large money that is a thing that happened everywhere in Mississippi and elsewhere IRL.)
    White people, man. Just way, way, way too many of us suck.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      It’s a thing. It’s one of the things Paula Deen was being sued over. Her brother, who ran her restaurant, only let white staff use public rest rooms.

      • amrak63

        EVEN AFTER THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT HAD PASSED?!?

        https://i.imgur.com/EzX7EFo.gif

        • Carpe Vagenda

          yep.

          At Uncle Bubba’s restaurant, African-American staff persons are required to use the back entrance for all purposes, including picking up their checks. They were prohibited from using the front entrace.

          African-American staff persons at Uncle Bubba’s restaurant are required to use one restroom that is in the back of the restaurant and is not the customer restroom. White staff was allowed to use the customer bathroom.

          African-American staff persons stationed at the back of Uncle Bubba’s restaurant are not allowed to go to the front of the restaurant.

    • anomie

      Husband grew up in Mississippi in the same time frame of The Help. He found the book to capture Jackson, MS very accurately.

  • Jenny

    Being poor and a minority means no one gives a shit about you.

    I had a nurse tell me once her theory on why minority children did better in the NICU. Their mom’s body coursed with stress hormones. Their own little bodies were the same. They know nothing but stress, and it stays that way.

    Bless Erica and her baby.

    Damn this country for letting its people live in insurmountable stress and pain.

  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    This story . . . you know, every damn day since 11/8/2016 I’ve felt like I’m living squeezed between large rocks. It’s hard to cope with the new – insanely ugly – reality of Dolt 45. And now I’m trying to imagine what it would be like to be living in this fucking reality while being one of the people he’s unleashed this hostility on, and I feel ashamed that I think I’m suffering. I’m white and reasonably well off. What the hell am I bitching about?
    The rocks crushing Erica Garner must have been the size of the Smithsonian.

    • mardam422

      What he said.

    • HooverVilles

      Second!

    • HateCliques

      Thanks for this perspective. Thank you.

    • Instead of the Smithsonian, I’d have gone with Stone Mountain, Georgia.

  • Lisa M. Ellis

    Thank you for the reference to the heartbreaking but crucial story about Shalon Irving. An African-American student of mine recently lost his mother to a heart attack. She was only 55. She owned her own business and was a foster parent. We know that our students experience trauma, but we forget about the toll of institutional racism even as we try to eradicate it in our part of our students’ lives.

  • amrak63

    I remain astonished at how many black Americans have been, and still are, willing to join the Armed Forces–to risk death, and even to die, for a country which treats them like dog shit.

    • Jeffery Campbell

      Because it is one of the few ways out of their god-awful circumstances.

      • Ninja0980

        Yup.
        Desperate people do desperate things.

      • Sunhead

        Because it is one of the few ways out of their god-awful circumstances.

        It is also one of the few ways they can afford to get an education.
        also,
        A black person in uniform gets at least a heartbeat of pause before some racist redneck trash talks them.

        • badphairy

          Sometimes…

    • Elizabeth Noneya

      Areas of poverty are specifically targeted by the armed forces. The low pay and benefits provided are better than 90% of jobs available to residents, so they can always find young people to take them up on their offer. It’s the same way they recruited my father from the heart of Appalachia, and how they’ll continue to recruit young people in poverty for years to come.

      • ahughes798

        It pays to keep the poors poor, doesn’t it? In cannon fodder especially.

    • Sakonyachen

      Almost as astonished when I remove the word “black” from that statement. Almost. The black part does make it more perplexing.

    • sarafina

      Well, it can be a way out. I don’t know Colin Powell’s early life, but he cimbed the ladder pretty high.

    • Frances Ball

      Most likely to pay for school, that was I had to do it because we couldn’t afford college that is how my boys had to do it because they couldn’t afford it either and we couldn’t afford it for them. Having been in the military myself and both of my son’s along with my husband, I can tell you from personal and collective account, that by the time you graduate basic training you no longer see any color. Every single one of your platoon is your brother or sister. Perhaps we should put everyone through military training or basic training and a very diverse setting.

  • Bell the Blind Tiger MCD

    I hope the CDC can continue its work to find out more about how at least healthcare providers can prevent this as they can’t exactly stop racists from being racist. I find it a hard sell if the CDC is not allowed to use the term “fetus”, but I’m sure they’ll come up with something.

    in related news, the one good thing that came out of the TX special session last fall was the extension of the Maternal Mortality and Morbidity Task Force with amendments by Democrats to desegregate data in various ways and look specifically at why black women have such a high rate of mortality and morbidity associated with child birth. there was also too an amendment by State Rep. Stephanie Klick (R – is a nurse) to add an ICU nurse and an OBGYN nurse to the task force.

    • badphairy

      Health care providers are racist too.

      • Bell the Blind Tiger MCD

        yes, they can be and the article makes that clear. but it’s their job to treat patients and they can lose their licenses if they do not comply with new rules and regulations. can’t do that with garden variety racists.

        • badphairy

          While I hear you, compliance is incredibly lightly treated, and racists persist. It’s not even the “I hate black people” sort, it’s the ones who internalized, “Well, they don’t feel pain the way we do”, and treat accordingly.

          • Bell the Blind Tiger MCD

            again, the article made it clear that we were talking about inherent bias. and we need to beef up the penalties for continuing to act on those biases. there are plenty of ways they can remediate this and if none of those work, the person loses their license.

          • badphairy

            And I’m saying that my 15 years in medicine says it doesn’t work the way your 15 minutes of Googling says it should,

          • Bell the Blind Tiger MCD

            I didn’t say it worked the way it should. I said it needs to be changed. and this is from sitting in lege hearings, not googling for 15 minutes. but thanks for putting words in my mouth. I always love that.

          • badphairy

            Too bad you don’t notice when you do it.

          • Bell the Blind Tiger MCD

            too bad you don’t notice that you’ve been doing it this whole time given that you’re the one who works in the medical field and I’m not.

          • badphairy

            You know, “I know you are but what am I” really comes off poorly post-6th grade.

          • Bell the Blind Tiger MCD

            then why are you doing it? we’ve established what the article said that you appeared to miss. we’ve established that you don’t listen to people. we’ve established that medical professionals not listening to their patients is the part of the equation that we can actually do something about. and you can start by listening to people who are not your patients.

            but that would take removing the giant stick from your ass, first. I guess you can’t part with that.

          • Bell the Blind Tiger MCD

            and I’m sure no one was ever misdiagnosed because their medical professional was all, “MY 15 YEARS IN MEDICINE!”

          • badphairy

            Och, ye puir wee thing, ye.

          • Bell the Blind Tiger MCD

            I’m sure your patients love it when you say that. we’re only talking about having some penalties for what you’re doing to me when you do it to your patients and it results in their harm. what’s wrong with that? oh, you don’t get to be such an asshole in a professional setting. you can still be an asshole here. there are no consequences to that because it won’t result in harm to anyone.

          • ahughes798

            My next door neighbor’s asshole husband has an M.D. from University of Google.

          • badphairy

            I am so sorry.

          • ahughes798

            I’m more sorry for her. He’s also verbally abusive, and we all know what the next step is.

          • badphairy

            You are correct.

    • Zippy49

      How about if the CDC starts spelling it “Foetus”? Or even “Feetus”? It’s not hard to fool spellcheck.

      • Bell the Blind Tiger MCD

        LORAX 2020: PHOOTUS!

      • Old Man Yells at Cloud

        or Feedus as what society should be investing in for children so they can learn in school and become creators and inventors who will advance society when they grow up.

    • sarafina

      California has already done a lot of work on improving maternal and neonatal health. TX legislators are just so dumb/evil/racist they want to piss away a ton of money on a wheel CA has already invented. Part of CA’s findings was having additional specialized personnel at births/post-birth.

      • Bell the Blind Tiger MCD

        one of the D amendments to the bill was to pull in best practices from other states. this really was a bipartisan piece of work so I think the only dumb/evil/racist ones were the ones in the Freedumb Cacas in the House who voted against the bill. it was a good day at the lege.

  • Angela Ruzzo

    Stress of all kinds is a killer, and women suffer far more stress than men (no matter what the Red Pill sites say). You can look up one disease after another that the doctors call a “Syndrome” (which means they don’t know what causes it or how to treat it) and you will find a sentence that says “More women suffer from this condition than men.” Let’s use Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS) as an example. WebMD says “Doctors don’t know for sure what causes irritable bowel syndrome, but some things seem to make people more likely to have it than others. These risk factors for IBS include being a woman. About twice as many women as men have the condition.”

    Rebecca’s article is 100% correct, but let’s not forget that sexism in general is a major stress factor. She writes “Black women don’t get proper pain medication; they aren’t believed when they say something’s “not right.” Absolutely true, but you could take out the word “Black” and it would still be true. I have been having this problem for 40 years, and I’m not black, but I am female. If things are even worse for black women than they are for me, which I must believe is the case, then their situation is pitiful indeed.

    The Armed Forces and the VA are notorious for having barriers to care for women military personnel and veterans. Several years ago I read that the US Armed Forces were being criticized for failing to keep an adequate supply of birth control pills in stock for female personnel. It appeared that senior male military personnel in charge of supplies simply hadn’t thought about it, or chose not to stock them.

    When my mother was admitted to our local VA hospital in 1973, which had just opened 6 months earlier, she was the first female patient they had ever admitted. They had NO SUPPLIES for women patients, not even pajamas that would fit her. There wasn’t a single physician on staff with any training in post-menopausal health care, and no facility for administering mammograms. Yet 350,000 women served in the US Armed Forces during WWII, so why this brand-new hospital hadn’t thought about the fact that they might get a few female patients is inexplicable.

    This is a really boring statistical study of the barriers to care for women patients in the VA. I don’t recommend reading it because its full of statistics, but it does have some nice charts.
    https://www.womenshealth.va.gov/docs/Womens%20Health%20Services_Barriers%20to%20Care%20Final%20Report_April2015.pdf

    • LeighBowery’sLuxuryComedy

      I participated in a training exercise – I guess you’d call it? – for VA docs to learn correct procedure for administering women’s health exams. TWO YEARS AGO. Hello, here we are in the 21st century and they’re only *just now* figuring out that they have female patients, with ‘female complaints’, that might require a different approach from turn your head and cough – ?!

      • Angela Ruzzo

        How sad. Every time I read some right-wing article complaining about the extra costs involved in admitting transgenders to the military, I remember that they said the same thing about admitting women 100 years ago, and 50 years ago, and 20 years ago.

      • badphairy

        Also, any abdominal pain from women is considered “female organy thing” rather than oh, anything else that could be going wrong.

    • C4TWOMAN

      This is one of the many reasons I’m willing to be a bitch or “the bad guy” in confrontations or telling someone off- I’m not internalizing shit and getting stress related diseases…

      • Angela Ruzzo

        You are wise. I was able to be “the bad guy” for other people who were close to me, but I’ve been internalizing my own shit since I was 6 years old, which is why I am permanently disabled at age 61. I stopped doing it 3 years ago when I retired, which is very liberating.

        When I moved to this town 8 years ago I had to go through five GPs to find one who wasn’t a patronizing sexist asshole. I finally found a good one, and no surprise … she is a woman doctor. She’s also Asian American, which is another plus. I was going to a very prestigious private orthopedic clinic in town, but all the doctors were arrogant, patronizing, greedy white men, so I switched to the clinic that is part of the state university medical center, and now I have a great doctor who is, no surprise, a woman.

        • An Outhouse for the résistance

          My GP is an Indian lady. She’s wonderful and I’m an old white guy.

      • Sakonyachen

        It works for me, the fact that you have ovaries shouldn’t change things for you.

      • ahughes798

        As long as you’re telling off the correct person, LOL!

  • rg9rts

    RIP…

  • Jezzam

    Physicians and hospitals should be audited case-by-case and financially sanctioned if there is ANY discrepancy in the quality of care provided to protected classes. We spend far too much on healthcare. This would help close a lot of gaps. It wouldn’t address the broader issue, but it would set a precedent.

    • John Thorstensen

      The physicians I know all work for academic medical centers and are paid salaries, rather than case-by-case. They are incredibly dedicated. I also have taught quite a few pre-med undergrads, for several decades now; my sense is that, as the medical profession becomes less remunerative, the people going into medicine do so because they believe it will be a good way to put their talents and interests to service. With some very notable exceptions, I don’t think doctors are usually the problem.

      • Résistance Land Shark Ω
        • John Thorstensen

          I’ve noticed that. My pre-med classes are something like 80 per cent women. My primary care provider is a woman, and she is incredibly competent.

      • Jezzam

        If there’s a difference in quality of care amongst their patients with similar symptoms or ailments then they are part of the problem. Unless they’re blanket treating case-by-case studies are warranted. I don’t think all doctors and hospitals are guilty of discrimination in treatment, but I do think they should all be audited to ensure best practices. Salary or no, pay should be based on quality. And refunds or pro-rata refunds should apply where warranted. Trickle up cost management

        • John Thorstensen

          I think I agree (though I’m not sure what all your terms mean).

          I live in an area that is racially almost totally white, but economically very mixed — some real down and outers. My wife is in health care (not an MD though) and I know she works incredibly hard to ensure that all her patients get the absolute best care available. It can be difficult — extreme poverty makes it very difficult to keep appointments in a rural area, for example.

    • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

      Propublica has a really good series about the cost of useless procedures that are done regularly. It’s not the fault of the physicians. It’s the political environment that supresses evidence based decision making.
      https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/12/28/16823266/medical-treatments-evidence-based-expensive-cost-stents?utm_campaign=vox&utm_content=entry&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

  • (((fka_donnie_d))), SOB

    Thank you, Rebecca, and ProPublica, for this.

  • laineypc

    Black Lives Matter isn’t just about police shootings.

    • phoenix00

      You mean it’s about…. Black Lives?

  • Zyxomma

    Thanks, Rebecca. I’ll say Kaddish for her, like this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsFiSQRUUX8

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    Charge her tormenters with negligent homicide.

  • MoeLaneisQueer

    “black women are 12 times more likely than white women to die of complications from their pregnancies” – citation?

    Are there any other circumstances that might account for a discrepancy besides skin color? https://stateofobesity.org/disparities/

    • Old Man Yells at Cloud

      If you are assuming that obesity increases complications of pregnancy, and assuming the data is accurate, that’s still a symptom and not a root cause. You need to ask why there would be a difference in obesity rates to make progress to identifying the root cause.

      • MoeLaneisQueer

        Obesity does contribute to pregnancy complications – the #1 cause of pregnancy mortality is cardiovascular disease. https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pmss.html

        Like any broad distinction that can be drawn between races, there most likely isn’t any one cause. Culture, poverty, genetics are my best guesses. The author seems to think it’s “racial biases”. We both have cited the same number of studies to back up our guesses – zero.

        • Dudleydidwrong

          The complexities of our culture make sorting such things out quite difficult, and I’m far, far from an expert, but I’ll start here in an attempt to see what’s out there:

          http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/15/health/black-women-maternal-mortality/index.html

          Among many ideas, this sentence was one that stood out:

          For instance, Howell and her colleagues found that black women in New York City were more likely than white women to give birth in hospitals that already have a high rate of severe maternal morbidity or complications, according to a study published in the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology last year.

          • MoeLaneisQueer

            I appreciate this. I’m not sure correlation implies causation here. But agreed that this is a problem that needs to be addressed.

          • HarpyLibtart

            Guys, quit feeding the concern troll…
            He does not deserve your time and patience, he’s not actually here to learn anything.

          • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time
          • MoeLaneisQueer

            You know, it’s funny. I ask the author to provide a simple citation for a statistic presented as fact and I’m called a racist and a troll, and the comment thread removed to be moderated. All I did was politely ask questions and provide links to support my opinions.

            I was banned from Reddit’s The_Donald for being a liberal shill. Same with redstate.com. DailyKos banned me for asking critical questions also. I’m not surprised if it happens here as well. I guess people want to preserve their echo chamber.

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            Sure, Sea Lion.

            Whatevs.

            “I don’t even know what “institutional racism” is. I just believe that when you blame racism for someone’s heart attack…”

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8f34246f551b222cca54bc5b3758177695c00687556523f723947ed3f950a5cd.png

          • amrak63

            One of the good things about Disqus is its “block user” feature.

          • MoeLaneisQueer

            Courageous.

          • MoeLaneisQueer

            The funny thing is that I’ve been reading articles here since 2008. Our viewpoints are probably substantially similar. All I did was ask some clarifying questions about stats presented as fact, and I’ve been called a racist, a troll and now a “sea lion”. This is exactly what the Right does when asked to justify their views. Congrats, YOU are part of the problem.

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            Nah, mang. It’s not that you’re just asking questions. It’s the questions you ask and the information you refuse to acknowledge.

            That’s the core of your dickweaselocity in this.

          • MoeLaneisQueer

            I’m not?

    • badphairy

      “Is there anything other than racism I could possibly use to blame this on the people diagnosed, rather than the culture that benefits me, substantially?”

      Ugh, wypipo.

      • MoeLaneisQueer

        We’re not talking about diagnosis here – the author mentions mortality rates. And while she lies about the disparity, (it’s more like 3x), I agree that there is an issue here. I’m just not convinced it’s due to “racial bias” like the author suggests. There are MANY factors that could contribute – does it make sense to you to blame only racism? Author could have cited “researchers” who blame cosmic rays, or air quality, or noise levels, anything.

        Pregnancy mortality is closely linked to diseases that more often found in the obese, and there is a disparity between the races in terms of obesity levels. Seems to me to be a more likely culprit, and one that the author should have turned to first. Just my opinion.

        • An Outhouse for the résistance

          Its only 3x. ( with no attribution) So its ok.

          • MoeLaneisQueer

            I linked it in this thread. Here it is for you again. https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pmss.html

            It’s amazing to me that you read the parenthetical but completely ignore the clause directly following.

          • An Outhouse for the résistance

            You said the author lied and you’re trying real hard to deny institutional racism which makes you a racist in my opinion. Keep blaming the victims if it satisfies your need for a smug sense of superiority.

          • MoeLaneisQueer

            I invited the author to provide support for her statistic presented as fact. The numbers I found did not support it.

            I don’t even know what “institutional racism” is. I just believe that when you blame racism for someone’s heart attack, it would be more convincing if you had some facts to support it.

          • badphairy

            If you don’t know what it is, you are the problem.

            Also, troll.

          • MoeLaneisQueer

            You pull the Troll card just as easily as the alt-right pulls the Snowflake card. Congrats.

          • I don’t even know what “institutional racism” is.

            I call BS on this. You know what it is. That you willfully ignore it is really not our problem to solve for you.

          • MoeLaneisQueer

            I’ve heard the term, but I’ve never heard the term explained completely. An institution is racist? Has racist policies, like “we won’t hire black people?” Seems like it would be pretty easy to identify

          • Frances Ball

            I’m sorry I really fee the need to interject some common sense information. If a person has a legitimate question and the question appears to reflect that they do not share your view, refusing to answer the question but rather tell them to go get their own education about it seems to me to be counterintuitive. If they’re legitimately asking a question and you’re not willing to answer it for them you’re part of the problem. Don’t you see this works both ways you cannot tell someone they’re ignorant then refused to answer the question because then you just as sure they will remain that way. But perhaps that’s what you want to claim perhaps just maybe reality of the situation is if someone does not conform to your opinion for whatever reason they are the problem. Educate before you hate

          • There is the google machine to help you resolve problems like that. It is part of our collective intelligence. You know how to use that, I’m sure. Please avail yourself and then come back to make comments.

            Ignorance in this type of discussion is no excuse. We expect our trolls to be better informed here.

        • David Lightfoot

          What are you accusing her of lying (being purposely wrong) when data like this is difficult to collect and often reported differently?

    • Carpe Vagenda

      You mean other than conditions which are exacerbated by poverty and which lack of access to preventive healthcare and unconscious racism in HCPs keep from being treated?

      • MoeLaneisQueer

        What’s “unconscious racism”? Can you give an example?

        • Carpe Vagenda

          You’re coming across seriously dismissive about framing this, so this is my only attempt at responding as though you’re sincere and poorly informed.

          However. If you’re more interested in knowing why people are dying than you are about making whatever your point is, google “black maternal death” and read.

          A 2009 study published in the journal Social Science & Medicine by researchers from USC and Harvard examined the differences in the self-reported racism experiences of U.S.-born and foreign-born black pregnant women, and found that “chronic exposure to racial prejudice and discrimination could … contribute to physiological wear and tear, thereby increasing health risk.”

          African American women also say that healthcare professionals are often dismissive of their concerns if they are poor, have health problems or already have several children, said Deneen Robinson, a researcher and program director for the Afiya Center.

          “We go into facilities and they speak condescendingly to us,” Jones said. “They rush us through the process. They downplay when we talk about what our symptoms are.”

          In Perkins’ case, her mother recalls that health providers seemed to disapprove when her daughter got pregnant with the twins and was feeling sick.

          “Oh, you’re pregnant again,” was the reaction of the first doctor they consulted, Givens-Perkins recalled. “They think that we’re all just trying to get on the system and get what we can get.”

          • MoeLaneisQueer

            That was a good article, thanks for linking! It’s just interesting how we read it differently. For example, I focused on this (sorry, I don’t know how to make my quote look cool like yours):

            “There isn’t a single thing that explains it,” said Lisa Hollier, an obstetrician-gynecologist who heads the state-appointed Maternal Mortality and Morbidity Task Force. “There are so many different factors.”

            The task force compared the health of a group of women who died during pregnancy, childbirth or in the immediate aftermath to those who survived in 2011 and 2012.

            Cardiac events, drug overdoses and disorders associated with hypertension were the leading causes of those maternal deaths, the task force found.

            Nationally, problems such as obesity, diabetes, caesarean births and delayed prenatal care are among the risk factors commonly seen, Hollier said. Such factors are particularly prevalent among black women.

            “So we have a population of women that is less healthy when they are entering pregnancy,” Hollier said.

          • So you focus on an out of context line that makes it less about race.
            Interesting how I took that, there.

          • MoeLaneisQueer

            How is it out of context? It’s 5 paragraphs. It’s a good portion of the article.

          • phoenix00

            Just put whatever you want to quote between “<blockquote>” and “</blockquote>”. Without the quotation marks.

          • going4baroque

            thank you!

            My online life will improve immeasurably now that I can blockquote, it might even make me appear more intelligent, although that is doubtful. But definitely, it makes me appear more refined, like someone with real class, and I am so happy.You can quote me.

          • MoeLaneisQueer

            Thank you!

        • Here, take a moment and find out for yourself. Unless you’re just a troll.

          https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/user/agg/blindspot/indexrk.htm

          • “M”

            It’s a troll. But good on you for posting that study. More people should read it.

          • And participate in the test. You can have them evaluate your implicit racial, sexist, or political bias. Each test takes about fifteen minutes.

        • Rebel Scum with permit
    • turtleday

      racism and poverty have everything to do with better access to quality food and health care.

    • So, your argument is “all black women are fat”?

      Good luck with that.

      • MoeLaneisQueer

        That’s not my argument. Author provides a statistic that is uncited, and implies that bias is to blame for the discrepancy. Do you believe that hypothesis?

  • proudgrampa

    *sighs*

    This is so sad.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Yeah.

  • This just saddens me to my soul. I was a medical social worker once upon a time and the difference in treatment between an indigent person and a person with insurance even at the indigent hospital was sickening. We think nothing — as a system and a nation — of killing people without means.

    What little progress we’ve made is now being undone. They will take it all away. We’ll be living in the 1880’s before you know it: no social security, no disability insurance, no worker’s comp, no Medicare or Medicaid, no Voter’s Rights, no Civil Rights, no nothin’ but the right to die fast after a miserable life.

  • jengeman
  • phoenix00

    This is so tragic. Really hope Eric Jr. and his siblings are taken care of.

  • Susan Henry

    I’ve been looking for data online about African American maternal mortality rates in the U.S. Military. I haven’t found any. I would think that would be an interesting comparison since poverty, obesity and lack of access to care are not issues.

    • conlakappa

      Any visit to a commissary with the welcome sign of “food stamps accepted” would illustrate that people in the military are still poor. I pointed that out to a friend’s husband who had been a Hill staffer for a committee that conducted a study on the persistence of poverty. The conclusion? They would have been poor anyway… Please let that sink in. Obesity might not be at the same rate of super-morbidity but it’s a factor too. Access to good care is uneven and dependent upon location. All that being said, as the post says, waking up a black daily is a real and big thing.

      • Lisa

        Yes, but their peers of other races are equally poor. Racism is much less prevalent. After growing up on military bases for most of their lives (until 17 & 13 respectively), my children of colour have been stunned coming back to the US to live. Also, military members tend to be much less physically unfit than the general population. Children of military personnel have at least one parent employed, and if they are lucky enough to live overseas of on a US Base with a DoDEA school have some of the top public education in the country.

        • conlakappa

          Don’t even get your point about their poor peers. Does being poor as part of a rainbow coalition make it any better? Racism is much less prevalent = what? A dram versus a 1/2 cup? Lighter racism is still racism. And we must have different operating definitions of racism: I mean something that is systemic not prejudice,. I am guessing your “children of colour” are not black or you would have noted such. (Side note of online people wanting you to conclude they/their children are black is that they will never actually type black or African American; it’s nebulous and left up to the reader to interpret. Not spelling it the American way is just extra.)

          Less unfit? Is that like less racism? Poor people eat poorly and their health and appearance reflect that. And you do get that one can have two employed parents and still be poor, right? Like access to healthcare, education can be uneven and connecting to the local culture is greatly dependent upon the parents wanting to venture off base/expose them to it. When did military life become some wonderland?

    • badphairy

      Why would those not be issues?

  • kaydenpat

    So sorry to hear about Ms. Garner’s plight. Such a tragedy all around. We as a country can do better.

  • The Librarian

    This is so sad and our government inaction to ensure everyone has access to medical services is to blame. The ACA was a step in the right direction, but even that has been stripped. If this isn’t enough to get people off their asses to vote next year, I don’t know what is.

  • FelineMama

    DAMMINT! DAMMINT!! I didn’t even hear she had a heart attack! Most sincere condolences to her Family & Friends. DAMMINT!!

  • Husband Of Mrs God

    This. is. so. sad.
    Just a hundred years ago, pregnancy was dangerous and infant mortality was also high. Now it is all much safer — unless you happen to be in the lower 90% of worldwide socioeconomic status.
    Patriotically, it is tragic that Americans are in that lower 90%.

  • she has not been declared brain dead . this is false . check her twitterfeed or her fb page … there have been updates regularly since she was hospitalized . https://twitter.com/es_snipes

  • Parakeetist

    Fuck.

  • looksquirrels

    Ach.

  • Idremhd

    a 27 year old black woman had a heart attack in part because the black community does a great job talking about police brutality and a not so great job addressing high blood pressure, obesity, and diabetes.

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