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Once again, a Flake turns out to be the reasonable one

We learned Tuesday that the Air Force screwed the pooch and failed to report the Texas church shooter’s domestic violence conviction to the FBI, which meant that he never turned up in background checks when he bought guns. Now Senators Jeff Flake (R-Arizona) and Martin Heinrich (D-New Mexico) plan to introduce legislation that would require the military to get its act together and report convictions by military courts on misdemeanor charges for domestic violence to the database used for background checks, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System — and to prevent anyone convicted of domestic violence from buying a gun.

(Yes, we already have the “Lautenberg Amendment”; did you know these loons are constantly trying to repeal it? In addition, there are a few problems with it, which is why states are constantly trying to strengthen it: “Domestic violence” is defined as against a spouse or someone with whom you have a child, so there’s what they call the “boyfriend loophole”; some states are trying to apply it to stalking offenses as well; and while the Lautenberg Amendment may not let you buy more guns, it doesn’t do anything about the guns you already own.)

Flake announced the plan on Twitter Tuesday, as one does:

The No Gun Laws Ever Work crowd immediately scoffed that since the Lautenberg Amendment already bars those convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence, why is Flake bothering with more laws, when he should be, we dunno, arming more church congregations? Among the scoffers who scoffed was the son of the president, who is A Idiot:

Haw Haw! Gotcha! It’s already the law, dummy, and see what good that did? Flake replied, well, you see, since the Air Force and other branches of the military have been spotty in compliance and reporting, that’s the sort of thing we can actually address with legislation:

OH YEAH? shot back the Very Smart Son, with a Laws Don’t Work sneer: Laws don’t work because lazy US Senators fail to enforce them!!!!

Got it? Gun laws don’t work, and shame on someone who isn’t in law enforcement for not enforcing those laws!

Flake didn’t reply to that one, apparently because he hates America and doesn’t realize that laws never accomplish anything — probably a bias one picks up as a legislator. Haw Haw, next he’ll propose a law making MURDER illegal (summary of 26 actual Twitter replies).

Now, it’s true that the Pentagon does have a regulation directing the services to report such convictions to the NICS database, but it’s not actually encoded as law, and it’s clearly not being followed, as a “source close to Flake” (let’s just assume it was Flake) told CNN:

Currently, the military is not reporting misdemeanors of domestic violence to NICS, the database utilized for firearms background checks, and it’s not clear that they can under current law. Their bill will permanently close this loophole, which was exploited by the shooter in Sutherland Springs, Texas.

As we noted yesterday, military courts don’t use the categories of “felony” or “misdemeanor” in the first place, and many times, the NICS is notified only of convictions punished with a dishonorable discharge, not the less severe bad conduct discharge given to shooter Devin Kelley. So no, Flake and Heinrich aren’t just reinventing the wheel with “another useless gun law” — they’re taking action to make sure the existing law works the way it’s supposed to.

We also learned Tuesday that Kelley’s 2014 domestic violence conviction wasn’t the only disturbing event in his past: He escaped from a mental health facility in 2012. And why was he in a mental health facility? Oh, just one of those things: He’d been caught trying to hide guns on an Air Force base and “attempting to carry out death threats” he’d made against his superior officers:

[A police report] said officers with the El Paso, Texas, police were dispatched to a bus terminal after Devin P. Kelley‘s escape from a behavioral facility about seven miles away in New Mexico. Officers wrote they were told Kelley, who intended to take a bus out of the state, “was a danger to himself and others” at the time and noted that he “was also facing military criminal charges.”

This incident occurred the same year that Kelley was court-martialed. He was charged with abusing his wife and her son between April 2011 and April 2012 and then sentenced in November 2012, according to Air Force documents.

Don’t know why they even bothered picking him up. It’s not like laws do anything.

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  • armed_bears

    1. Martin Heinrich is from New Mexico.
    2. We like guns.
    3. We like Martin.
    4. We cannot decide if we like green chilis or red chilis (more).
    5. Other than that, everything is cool.

  • ManchuCandidate

    First they banned the dangerous from getting guns but I did not speak up because I am not gun crazy and I am okay with this.

  • Mpeg

    ♫ “High on the hill / Was a lowly dotard” ♪
    “Tweety twatty tweety-twatter-twit-t’whut?-Twoo!” — Dotard Trump, Jr.

    • msanthropesmr

      Ah, Gilbert and Sullivan.

      • Werewolf

        A G & S song about the GOP:

        “You may put them on the list,
        You may put them on the list,
        And they’d none of them be missed,
        They’d none of them be missed.” 🎶

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    Flake News!

  • Daniel

    The son of the Law and Order Candidate, who rode to power on waves of “Lock her up” chants, doesn’t believe that legislation can be effective.

    I’d joke, but in reality I think this is another indication of the break between the Trumps and the real world- they do not see laws as being anything other than tools to trap and silence people they don’t like.

    • freakishlypersistent

      They also use tools to trap and silence magnificent wildlife they Don’t like, assholes.

  • WotsAllThisThen

    If we legalized silencers like Don Jr wants, would we have even heard all this?

  • Oblios_Cap

    Thinking of Government Employees that are not doing their jobs, Junior, how are you Pops and your sister doing today?

  • sarafina

    Flake really is getting out. He’d do more good trying to repeal the Dickey (sp?) amendment, and let the CDC study gun violence, but he probably doesn’t want to get assassinated, even with votes.

  • Villago Delenda Est

    No one has ever accused Uday of being the sharpest spoon in the drawer, you know.

    • ManchuCandidate

      Uday is a broken plastic spork in the cutlery drawer of humanity.

    • Oblios_Cap

      But he’s one of the dumber bag of hammers I’ve seen on Twitter.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Bags of hammers can be useful. Uday, not so much.

    • The Wanderer

      He’s Beta in a VHS world.

      • Resistor Radio

        Double zing for calling him a beta when he fancies himself a chad

        • The Wanderer

          Well, I don’t think he’s limited enough to be classed as an Epsilon Minus Semi-Moron.

          • Resistor Radio

            Assumes facts not in evidence

          • Edith Prickly

            Alcohol in his blood-surrogate…

      • SeeTrain65

        He’s an Edison cylinder in an MP3 world.

    • jesterpunk

      Look at his pinned tweet, I think he is trying to tell us something?

      https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/924693159220862976

      • Oblios_Cap

        Well, I’d guess Jr. would be an expert on that.

        • Resistor Radio

          Fake news! Jr is not an expert on anything

      • SeeTrain65

        What’s that, Fredo? I can’t hear you over the sound of your cell closing.

        • Celtic_Gnome

          After the bluster and bravado of the Mike Flynn, Jr. tweet, he’s the one I want to see hauled away. I bet he cries at sentencing.

    • Resistor Radio
  • The Wanderer

    It doesn’t look good for gun legislation, but even in our darkest moments we must remember that we can do great things:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9qA8c-E_oA

    • Serai 1

      Tuna better than salmon??? BLASPHEMY!!!

  • Shrieking Harpy

    Maybe we should apply the little shitgibbon’s logic to property law.

  • rocktonsam

    as always, wait until something bad happens to give a shit.
    Flake off…

    • cmd resistor

      Still better than nothing. Most of them don’t give a shit even when something bad DOES happen.

  • wide_stance_hubby

    Q: Should we be concerned that integrity might hit Flake’s ass on the way out the door?

    A: lol!!1!

    • msanthropesmr

      It’ll wash off.

      • wide_stance_hubby

        Let it dry and chip it off later.

  • Baconzgood

    Gun laws make baby Jesus cry.

    • The Wanderer

      [REDACTED]

    • Oblios_Cap

      He needs to grow up, then.

    • SeeTrain65

      God: “Suck it up, buttercup.”

  • Why do we even have laws since they’re not 100% effective at stopping all criminal behavior? We should just Purge up this motherfucker full time.

  • Daniel

    So I just looked it up and “bribery” is against the so-called law yet me and my family have been doing it all the time! Stupid liberals!

    -Donald Trump Jr, 11/8/17

    HA! Good 1! And “treason”! Is also. !

    -Eric Trump, 11/8/17

    • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

      Not to mention money laundering, racketeering, tax fraud….

      • Put On Your War Paint!

        What about putting squirrels down one’s trousers for purposes of gambling?

        • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

          Still legal in 23 states, I believe.

        • SeeTrain65

          Not here.

          Chipmunks, though …

  • Put On Your War Paint!

    There are no words to express the contempt I feel towards the Trump family and their lickspittles.

    • msanthropesmr

      Incoherent rage is about all I got left too.

      • Resistor Radio

        You seem pretty coherent. I mean, we all read the Carter Page testimony. That, my friend, is how one does incoherent.

    • Daniel

      You know, in the Dickens novel this administration and all its flunkies would have been in had he lived long enough, Slimebollock Lickspittle would be the name for Stephen Miller.

      • Resistor Radio

        Is there a political Dickens twitter account? That would be fun.

        • Daniel

          Well, that might be the reason they’ve upped it to 280 characters.

          • Button

            If one doesn’t exist, it might be your big break, Daniel. Dickens may get tiresome, but he’s well-known enough for you to easily get traction.

    • Resistor Radio
  • Ryan Denniston

    I’m starting to wonder if this guy should have ever been in the military at all.

    • Resistor Radio

      Doesn’t the ASVAB have a psych portion?

      • Ling Ling

        Not remembering that part.

      • The Wanderer

        No, but if the military thinks you’re too fucked up to kill people for Uncle Sam, you should never have access to a firearm.

    • The Wanderer

      Richard Poplawski is another brain-addled, cranky loser who got tossed out of the military (Army, in his case). He deliberately picked a fight with his mother to draw in the police, and killed three Pittsburgh police officers.

      • Resistor Radio

        That’s sooooo fucked up. Isn’t that the classic terrorist tactic, drawing in responders?

        • The Wanderer

          Yep, pretty much. He was your bog-standard white supremacist with a head full of bad ideas courtesy of Stormfront and Glenn Beck.

          • Biel_ze_Bubba

            You mean he got radicalized by … oh wait.
            Lone wolf! Lone wolf!

      • Werewolf

        Then there was the asshole who shot a bunch of cops in Dallas last year.

  • Proud Liberal

    One day, Diaper Donnie, you won’t be able to carry a gun.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    Poor Jr. He’s not going to be able to regale us with his twitticisms from jail. We’ll all be sad about that.

  • Put On Your War Paint!

    OT – 32F and snow outside, and I don’t even have my heater on yet. Another good reason to have taken a third floor apartment.

    • doktorzoom

      So much for “global warming”!!!!

    • Daniel

      I think the coldest I’ve ever felt was -17C (1.4F, apparently) and I hated having a second floor flat during that time because it added all that stair climbing to get there.

      • Put On Your War Paint!

        Moving day made me consider that I’d made a mistake, but the view, the privacy, and the warmth now are all pluses.

      • Lance Thrustwell

        Back in Ye Olden Tymes in Michigan, 10-20 below was not that uncommon in the dead of winter. I remember having to put a block heater on the car, and the clock was ticking every time you took your hands out of your mittens before your fingers went numb.

        • Marion in Savannah

          Yep. I remember -20 F in Vermont. Add in the wind chill and…

          • Dg Hacket

            And when, after 10 straight days below zero, the temp goes up to 20 it feel like a heat wave

          • Marion in Savannah

            I recall one year when I was living in Vermont I went down to NYC for Christmas. It had been -20 or so for a week in Vermont, and it was about 35 in NYC. I was wandering around in a sweater, and people were looking at me like I was some sort of alien.

        • Toomush_Inferesistance

          I moved to northern MI to get away from the cold in SW Minnesota…still glad I did…

        • Major_Major_Major

          In 94 I was in upstate NY, and a smoker. During breaks, we would run outside, pull gloves off, smoke as fast as possible. Heaven help you if you didn’t take a piss before smoking and did so afterwards. The memory alone sends the boys to hibernate in my stomach.

          • Thiazin Red

            I lived there too, and our school superintendent was obsessed with not having snow days. Unless there was an ice storm or multiple feet of snow in a single night, we walked to school.

          • Major_Major_Major

            Yep, I missed 1 (one) day of work due to a blizzard.

          • Bob

            Uphill both ways?

          • Bob

            I grew up in northern NY (Watertown/ Ft Drum), it would hit -20 regularly. I had to take the battery out of my car at home and while at work, otherwise it would be dead in a few hours

      • Arolpin

        i spent a few years in the mountains of central Idaho. We generally didn’t worry much until it dipped below -20F. We got as cold as -40F, at which point the moisture in your eyes starts to freeze, spit will freeze before it hits the ground, piss will freeze if you’re on a deck,and the oil in your car will solidify.
        Even during the middle of the day it wouldn’t get above -10F. We largely heated with wood then (wood stove in the basement, fireplace with air-exchangers and fans on the main floor, electric baseboards in all the bedrooms. During a cold snap we seemed to always be splitting/stacking/refilling the firewood supply. At really cold temps the wood splits very easily, to the point that I could split it faster than it could be stacked, and we could do it with an axe rather than the wood splitter (which would only start if it was stored indoors).
        I learned from it though. I was on a snowboard trip to Northern VT when it was -30F one morning and I decided to just pack the car and head home instead of riding that day.

    • Raan

      I have not seen snow in decades.

      To be fair, we moved to Florida when I was five.

      • Put On Your War Paint!

        :)

      • Major_Major_Major

        I was there in NSB for the Blizzard Flurry of aught three.

    • therblig

      32F can only mean one thing – there’s a white guy wearing shorts

      • Put On Your War Paint!

        Yes. xD

      • Thiazin Red

        How do you know my father?

      • armed_bears

        Hey!!1!

      • JohnBull

        And having a beer in the yard asking “cold enough for ya?”

      • armed_bears

        At 32, you gotta start wearing socks with the sandals.

      • SeeTrain65

        One other thing, too: several fans will be in the same row at the Broncos game this week dressed only in underwear and hiking boots.

        Perhaps even with letters painted onto their chests.

  • Crystalclear12

    Considering how well-loved the Trump family is right now you would think self preservation alone would make them for all the gun laws.

  • eyelashviper

    NRA, seeing new opportunities for money $$$, now offering a line of greeting cards:

    http://www.suprmchaos.com/nra_condolence-cards_110817.jpg

  • Proud Liberal

    Because everybody needs to do this….Why?

    https://youtu.be/p-Z0wAGeOFs?t=6

    • Put On Your War Paint!

      It’s Tacticool! Be a Mall Ninja! How will anyone know how big your Penis is unless you carry a military-style murder stick?

      • Raan

        Well.

        That would certainly inform others of your penis size.

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      There’s something wrong about this video. That man is………um………something…….wrong about him……………

    • JohnBull

      Because reading a book or going to the gym is TOO HARD!!

  • Gosala

    But why limit the restrictions to domestic violence? Why not all violence?

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Good point, but there does exist the possibility of self-defense or at least somewhat understandable provocation when you’re talking about, say, two unrelated adult men.

      • Gosala

        I’m not well versed in the law. There may be some violent crimes that would not be disabling. I’ll let the experts help figure that out.

  • Scooby

    The fact that he fractures a child’s skull and only does a year is also quite disturbing.

    • cmd resistor

      Also, too, seems like death threats against your superiors would get you a worse discharge status.

      • Lance Thrustwell

        IKR?

      • Ghenghis McCann

        In a lot of armies, in the past, it would have got you an appointment with a firing squad.

  • GoutMachine

    “I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons. I seldom carry one. I have when I felt it was desirable to do so for my own protection. I know that applies in most of the instances where guns are used effectively in self-defense or in places of business and in the home. I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses. … I believe in regulatory methods.”

    – Karl Frederick, NRA president testifying on the National Firearms Act of 1934.

    • msanthropesmr

      COMMIE

    • DrBigHead

      This was clearly before the NRA became the lobbying arm of the gun manufactures.

      • GoutMachine

        Precisely. Everytown has a good write-up. They’d get booted right out of the door today.

    • Thiazin Red

      People talk about the wild west, but people forget that a lot of those towns forbid people from carrying guns.

    • SeeTrain65

      Place this on any right wing website today without showing who said it.

      Then, proceed to view the vitriolic responses from the current NRA lunatics.

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    I suppose Jr. is sort of right. If laws worked as designed, Traitor Tot and most of his family would be in jail.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      If you outlaw corruption only outlaws will be corrupt.

      • Raan

        That’s a bargain at twice the price.

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    More news to make the orange shitgibbon shit bricks:
    ObamaCare signups surge in early days to set new record

    • Ryan Denniston

      Who know that Midas fellow? The guy who touches things and they turn into gold. Trump is the exact opposite of that.

      • Toomush_Inferesistance

        Well, brown is almost gold….

        • MizzMazz

          Just roll that turd in glitter!

      • Put On Your War Paint!

        Shit Midas.

      • Daniel

        Midas could turn shit into gold.

        Trump was influenced heavily by Soviet Russia.

        • therblig

          midas had ass’s ears. trumpy is just an ass.

        • Mysterycat

          Not sure about the Soviet aspect regarding Trump.

          Putin was certainly a member of the KGB under Soviet Russia, but presently, Putin is an autocratic capitalistic sort. Trump no doubt admires his immense wealth.

          Putin is certainly ruthless, meting out revenge on all those who oppose him, such as other business people, journalists and political opponents ( revenge …reminders of The Donald, where one can remember the words of Richard Branson, a billionaire who once had lunch with Trump and he was flabbergasted at how Trump had gone on and on regarding spending the rest of his life getting revenge on those five people who had not helped him during his bankruptcy troubles.)

          https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/18/richard-branson-says-he-met-trump-only-once-in-1990s-and-it-was-ugly.html

          It is not surprising that Trump admires Putin, who can be utterly ruthless in obtaining what he wants.

          One wonders, just how much money Trump had obtained via loans from Russian sources after American banks were not keen on lending him money during his bankruptcy problems. Just how much does he owe to Russian financial interests?

      • Villago Delenda Est
      • Latverian Diplomat

        “You laugh now, but as soon as my lawyers invent ‘executive branch bankruptcy’, I WIN!”
        — Donald Trump

  • Ali | A Grumpy Cat

    “I know you are but what am I?!? LOLZ”

    – Donnie Shit for Brains Junior, probably

  • Gee, Your Hair Smells Horrific

    Soon we’ll only know Jr. from his appearances on Dancing with the Stars . . . if that show is still in production after he gets out of prison.

    • Major_Major_Major

      I dunno, does Discovery Channel still run the series “in Search Of”, cuz if so they might do a special on chins and he would be prominently featured.

      • Indeniable Ron

        ‘Did extraterrestrials alter human DNA so that the wealthy and powerful would not develop chins? Ancient astronaut theorists say YES.’

  • MrTusks

    Glad to learn that the military, much like the police, take care of their own and are happy to let the population they’re supposed to protect go fuck themselves.

    • jesterpunk

      The military can only do what congress authorizes them to do. It seems like there is a flaw in the reporting laws to make it harder for them to legally report people who shouldn’t have guns.

      • MrTusks

        Funny how laws always get followed to the letter when following them to the letter gets you out of trouble.

        • jesterpunk

          From the article.

          Currently, the military is not reporting misdemeanors of domestic violence to NICS, the database utilized for firearms background checks, and it’s not clear that they can under current law. Their bill will permanently close this loophole, which was exploited by the shooter in Sutherland Springs, Texas.

          Thanks Congress and the NRA.

  • MynameisBlarney

    Just a friendly reminder about who won last night for the Dems.

    https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029816097

  • exinkwretch

    The more NRA-friendly members of Congress will respond immediately with the snappily named “Bitch Had it Coming Act” of 2017.

    • GoutMachine

      Nah, they’re better than that. It’ll be from the Department of Ironic Legislation Naming, and it’ll be called the “Protecting Women Act.”

      • Me not sure

        Alas.

      • I’m fairly certain it’s actually the Ministry of Truth (or Minitrue for short) that names all their bills.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      “Bitch set me up!”

    • Me not sure

      Followed by the “This Wouldn’t Have Happened If She Had just Kept Her Damn Mouth Shut Act”.

  • beatbort

    Will someone please think of the guns?!!!!

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    Here’s my question:
    How did Kelley get TWO women to get into ANY kind of domestic situations with him? In addition to being crazy at, he was also quite homely.

    • beatbort

      He dragged them by the hair into his cave?

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        Maybe they were “economically anxious” or just crazy, too.

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      Were they trump supporters?…

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        Probably.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Love is blind?

      • Indeniable Ron

        And stupid.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Weird, innit? Happens a lot though. You hear about some bizarre homicidal troglodyte, and then the next item is something about, like, “His wife from his third marriage and his four children…” It’s crazy.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        If he was a handsome psychopath, like Ted Bundy, it would make more sense.

    • georgiaburning

      Obviously not an incel, but crazy and violent

    • guest1331now

      Psychopath charisma + lonely women?

  • h4rr4r

    This should be more widespread than a single case.

    BCD should be always treated as that kind of misdemeanor and Dishonorable as felony.

    • GoutMachine

      What’s the difference between a “bad conduct” discharge and a “dishonorable” one?

      • jesterpunk

        Here you go.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_discharge#Types_of_discharge

        Bad Conduct Discharge (BCD)[edit]
        A Bad Conduct Discharge (BCD), can only be given by a court-martial (either special or general) as punishment to an enlisted service-member. Bad conduct discharges are often preceded by a period of confinement in a military prison. The discharge itself is not executed until completion of both confinement and the appellate review process.

        Virtually all veterans’ benefits are forfeited by a Bad Conduct Discharge; BCD recipients are not eligible for VA disability compensation in accordance with 38 CFR 3.12.

        Dishonorable[edit]
        A dishonorable discharge (DD) can only be handed down to an enlisted member by a general court-martial. Dishonorable discharges are handed down for what the military considers the most reprehensible conduct. This type of discharge may be rendered only by conviction at a general court-martial for serious offenses (e.g., desertion, sexual assault, murder, etc.) that call for dishonorable discharge as part of the sentence.

        With this characterization of service, all veterans’ benefits are lost, regardless of any past honorable service, and this type of discharge is regarded as shameful in the military. In many states a dishonorable discharge is deemed the equivalent of a felony conviction, with attendant loss of civil rights.[16] Additionally, US federal law prohibits possession of firearms by those who have been dishonorably discharged[17] per the Gun Control Act of 1968.

        • GoutMachine

          Ah! Thank you.

      • h4rr4r

        Basically Bad Conduct means the person did something bad, dishonorable means they did something awful. Manslaughter vs Murder as an example.

    • Major_Major_Major

      TBH, I always thought big chicken dinners came with a lot of the same baggage as a DD

      • h4rr4r

        Some of but not all of. Basically it is a conviction, but not a felony equivalent like a DD.

  • Anna Rompage

    Sending out my most sincere thoughts and prayers to all of the republicans that lost last night… ;)

  • MynameisBlarney

    “Enjoy re-reading this article about Steve “Baron Harkonnen” Bannon’s ‘Trumpism without Trump’ from two days ago”..

    Oy vey, my Schadenfreude Glands can’t take anymore….

    https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029816843

  • rosenbomb

    You know what the number one predictor of future violence is? Past violence.

    In class we had to learn how to assess for homicidal ideation, and this guy has the majors ones. Past violence against others, threats against others, access to firearms, and time in a mental health facility.

    • Gosala

      This. So much.

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    • MynameisBlarney

      Why do you hate freedumb?

      • rosenbomb

        I make bald eagles weep.

        • MynameisBlarney

          hehehe

    • mardam422

      Yes, but what did he think of the gay agenda?

      • YoBunnyBunny

        Was he also saved by Jesus, too? If so, none of that prior stuff counts because he’s been forgiven already.

    • cmd resistor

      Plus the animal cruelty thing.

    • OrdinaryJoe

      Single white male adult?

  • Latverian Diplomat

    It’s not nothing, but until the gun show loophole is closed…it’s more of a restriction on where these assholes have to go to get a gun…

  • Paul Dietzel

    “Now, it’s true that the Pentagon does have a regulation directing the services to report such convictions to the NICS database, but it’s not actually encoded as law” . . . .
    but keep in mind that the Pentagon, while theoretically being subservient to civilian control is filled with the most misogynistic, neo-conservative bunch of evangelista gun-humpers in all the land. See also: USAFA, Gen. Edwin Walker, Seven Days in May, ad infinitum. If anyone thinks these are the guys to trust that civilian authorities are kept informed of the kind of nuts they’re unleashing on society then I’ve got a Vulpes vulpes they can put in charge of their chicken coop. And the San Antonio metro area has (or at least once had) the greatest concentration of military retirees in the country.

  • BrianW

    I was really afraid, given the article title, that this would be a law REQUIRING domestic abusers to own a gun. Glad to see I was wrong.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      I’m sure Gohmert is asking someone to hold his beer as we speak.

      • BrianW

        True enough. One should never underestimate the Padishah Emperor of the Crazy People (hat tip to Charles P. Pierce).

    • SeeTrain65

      It involves Jeff Flake. I understand the confusion.

      • BrianW

        Yep. The “courageous Republican” who votes with Trump 90+% of the time. It does make it easy to be confused.

  • Jgb979

    Do love every day that goes by and no one has informed Donnie J Jr he’s an idiot.

    • OrdinaryJoe

      Paging Mr. Mueller.

      • Indeniable Ron

        I’d bet a cookie that Juniour’s name is in one of those sealed indictments.

        • OrdinaryJoe

          And Jared.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      A idiot.
      /wonket nazi

  • JohnBull

    “Should not have had a gun!”
    RINO.
    If that isn’t tyranny–a crazy asshole not getting his full 2nd Amendment rights–I don’t know what is.

  • YoBunnyBunny

    “Gov’t employees like you failed to do their job”

    You mean government employees like the LEOs and military who you and your Pappy pretend to give a flying fuck about.

    How any government employee can support these fuckers who have the most contemptuous attitude about the government is beyond me.

    • cmd resistor

      YEah, the Falwell Jr. comments were equally stupid on that point.

  • Bob

    Donald Trump Sr is a gov’t employee who refuses to do his job

    • Covfefe

      It is virtually impossible to fire a government employee. Take my word for it.

  • kfunk937

    Well, the primary objection my ex and his lawyer presented in court was that being crazy was going to unfairly prevent him from his d_G given right to bear arms. Previously the reason our household became gun-free was specifically because of legit fears related to suicidality which often becomes more generalised to homicide.

    I have no problem with some sort of national database to prevent this sort of crime. The rare instances of misinterpretation are most likely justified by the protective nature of prevention.

    • Alan

      So was he crazy? In your professional opinion, of course.

      • kfunk937

        Yes. He displayed a PTSD-like syndrome following 9/11. It involved psychotic episodes, but was also complicated by possible TBI (traumatic brain injury). It was therefore difficult for me not to take those things into account.

        • LeighBowery’sLuxuryComedy

          Whoa thanks for the ETA.. otherwise I’d suspect we were married to the same guy.

          • kfunk937

            My sympathies, sis.

          • LeighBowery’sLuxuryComedy

            Yyeah, didn’t do me a whole lotta good. However, he’s no longer on this mortal plane (see: the bit about guns, tho I don’t actually know what finally took him out) and I am, and doing a hella lot better than when we were married. So there’s that at least.

  • Alan

    Fuck all these assholes and their knee jerk reactions. Maybe people with blue hair shouldn’t have guns. But only if they’ve been convicted of having blue hair. How about, I dunno, people don’t need weapons whose only purpose is to kill other people?

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Wait, GOB Junior says that the mass shooter shouldn’t have had a gun?!! That’s tranny, mister. Give us libety!

  • fawkedifiknow

    Don Jr has a twitter account? When will Twitter start disallowing treasonous asswipes from using a twitter account?

    • Indeniable Ron

      When people stop following eedjits like Juniour.

  • Covfefe

    Can these guys propose an amendment to the Uniform Cide of Military Justice that specifically makes domestic violence a violation of the Code?

  • Bad Tom

    Don Jr. smells of mendacity as well as complicity.
    ——-
    Unless it’s flop stupidity.

    • JoeChristmas

      AOTK

  • kareemachan

    What’s this with shitgibbon Jr? Is he strutting around the Oval Office pretending to be Daddy? Did he vote today?

    ETA: I notice he doesn’t touch the fact that the guy was in a mental facility at one point. You know, the kind of thing the repugs poo-pooed when talking about gun control….

  • Nockular cavity

    Don’t worry, liddle’ Donny. You’ll still be able to shoot endangered species.

  • Aileen

    What does Donny Jr do again? Like, for a living, to be useful?

  • TundraGrifter

    Speaking of government employees who don’t do their jobs – perhaps Frito should speak with his Father.

    What an arrogant little prick!

    • Nodrama4mama

      lets not insult Frito’s by calling Donnie JR that. Fritos are full of salty, fatty deliciousness. Lets call him Lil’ Dotard

      • TundraGrifter

        You broke my heart, Frito.

      • Weird Fishes

        Or just “Dottie”

  • Swampay

    What really gripes my grundle about this shit is that the gun lobby busts their ass to make laws as unenforceable and meaningless as possible, struggle to defund any enforcement, then whine that the law is broken. I have a friend who is a serious gun user, dude is constantly training and practicing. He says that the automatic weapons ban focuses on irrelevant elements like stock length that make it meaningless. As if that wasn’t the goal of the gun lobby all along. They could work with legislators – you assholes KNOW what we’re trying to accomplish here, work with us to make meaningful legislation instead of trying to about or hamstring every proposal however reasonable.

    Fucking work with us or we’ll have to ban it all.

  • JoeChristmas

    Trust fund assholes like Trump Jr. who have nothing better to do than commit treason.

  • SeeTrain65

    I’m thinking of dropping the use of “Fredo” to describe Dotard Jr., replacing it instead with one of the seven dwarfs, “Dopey.”

    Although you could also call him “Slow White.”

    • Weird Fishes

      “Slow White” FTW

      I’d have suggested “Greasy” but he wasn’t a dwarf.

  • willi0000000

    lets see . . . he fractures his own baby’s skull . . . he is caught trying to sneak weapons onto a military base so he can kill superiors . . . he is found guilty . . . do i have it right so far?

    and he gets a bad conduct discharge?

    HOW WHITE IS THIS MOTHERFUCKER?

  • GHERKINS du RESISTANCE!

    “Dishonorable Discharge” is literally how Donald Trump Jr was made.

  • Shawn Renee Ernoehazy

    I heard that when he was located by LEO’s he told them that he no longer wanted to murder his CO’s so they let him go. The complete picture is muddled by the fact that patient/client privilege now belongs to next of kin or designated person when he entered the facility on a 5150 hold (clearly extended by the psychiatrist since he was there more than 48 hours). When a patient elopes from a hospital while on a hold, LEO’s are supposed to bring them back to the hospital. Don’t even get me started on the idea that LEO’s have the authority to write holds (or not) when dealing with potentially mentally ill persons. They dump mad/sad drunks in the ER all the time! Well, the white ones who present as middle class. By the time they have a BAL low enough to clear them for a psychiatric evaluation, they don’t even remember getting to the ER. If a patient is on a hold for “danger to others” especially when they have named the “others,” that patient should be transported back to the hospital; not just let go. It totally burns me up that as a mental health professional, I am restricted to when and where I can write a 5150 hold and arrange direct transport to a mental health facility, but LEO’s with no psychiatric evaluation education can write them at will. I am a manager at an outpatient mental health facility; I have completed the course to be able to put people on a hold; but only in my capacity as a “crisis specialist” when working for the company that covers after hours as a contractor for Placer County Mental Health. Long-ass rant; mental health system is broken, yo?

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