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She, as always, is sticking that thing right up Paul Ryan’s ass.

When we wrote Monday about Nancy Pelosi’s very loud opposition to GOP gun-humping bills to Make Silencers Great Again and legalize armor-piercing bullets (cops just LOVE that idea) and allow concealed carry across state lines, we gently and lovingly chided Pelosi for jumping on the Thoughts ‘n’ Prayers train, because she didn’t really mention guns in her initial statement about the Las Vegas massacre. We were merely pointing out that even our best Dems occasionally buy into the NRA/GOP’s narrative that the hours after one of our good old American bloodbaths are NOT the time to politicize the tragedy by using political measures to stop the next tragedy. (Those hours are actually the best hours for politicizing them, because people are paying attention. On that note, please read about how Wonkette rudely politicized it almost immediately!)

The thing is, Leader Pelosi DID say other things on Monday, and we should note them. After doing thoughts ‘n’ prayers, she fired off a letter to Speaker Paul Ryan, encouraging him to GET OFF HIS ASS AND DO SOMETHING about our uniquely American problem of waking up on a regular basis to learn that some Bad Guy With A Gun reached for the readily available arsenal at his disposal and decided to go murder everyone.

Pelosi didn’t assume Ryan was smart enough to come up with his own ideas for how to help, so she made two specific demands:

1) “Congress must pass the bipartisan King-Thompson legislation to strengthen the life-saving background checks that keep guns out of the wrong hands.” This is a complete no-brainer. The bill, which Democrat Mike Thompson and Republican Peter King introduce in every Congress, simply expands background checks to include gun shows, internet and private sales … you know, all the places any old asshole who can’t pass a background check can buy all the guns he wants. It might have helped in a place like Las Vegas, where, as Rachel Maddow reported Monday night, there is a gun show just about every goddamned day. It wouldn’t even be politically risky, since 90% of Americans support universal background checks. The other 10% should probably be on a watch list of some sort. Just saying.

But, Pelosi adds, “this is only a first step.”

2) Pelosi would like Ryan to “create a Select Committee on Gun Violence to study and report back common sense legislation to help end this crisis.” It would be bipartisan, so the GOP could make sure Democrats aren’t breaking into gun-humpers’ houses and confiscating their guns, and Democrats could help the Republicans stay on task working to solve the problem of gun violence, slapping the NRA’s dick out of the their mouths as needed. This is just a great idea! Hey, if it was pressing enough to let Rep. Trey Gowdy jerk off into a lake full of taxpayer money for months and months with his Select Committee on Benghazi, why not do a select committee to study SOMETHING REAL THIS TIME? Worth a shot!

Pelosi concludes her letter by saying we really can do Thoughts ‘n’ Prayers at the same time as we’re doing something about the problem:

Today is a day for prayer, mourning and love, but it must also be a day for action.  As Members of Congress, our words of comfort to the families of the victims of the Las Vegas massacre will ring hollow unless we take long overdue action to ensure that no other family is forced to endure such an unimaginable tragedy.

Will Ryan listen? LOL ARE YOU NEW HERE? Today, Ryan’s House of Representatives is voting (again) on a 20-week abortion ban, because that’s pressing. We guess that’s why they were all too busy (pussy) to go on “Morning Joe” and talk about Las Vegas today. No really! Mika Brzezinski said Tuesday morning after interviewing yet another Democratic lawmaker that they had invited a number of Republicans, but everybody was too busy (pussy) to show up.

Meanwhile, Ryan is blah-blahing empty-headed pretty boy platitudes about “our shock, our condolences, & our prayers,” and tweeting things like this:

Considering the number of ameros Ryan takes from the NRA, we’re pretty sure we know what Ryan thinks “defines us as a country,” and it is GUNS! GUNS! MORE PENIS GUNS! GUNS FOR EVERYBODY! EVEN THE MENTALLY ILL! GUUUUUUUUUUUNS!

From his Tuesday morning presser:

CHRIST, what an asshole.

All right, folks, you have another ‘SIGNMENT to do, and it is to call your Congresspeople and demand they support Nancy Pelosi’s plan to twist Paul Ryan’s gym bunny nuts until they fall off, and also to pass universal background check legislation and establish a select committee to see if MAYBE JUST FUCKING POSSIBLY MAYBE Congress might be able to find the courage to do something about this problem.

We gotta start somewhere, and nut-twisting Paul Ryan seems as good a place as any.

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  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

    Maybe we can start the discussion with easy, off-the-shelf, and legal devices like trigger cranks and bump stocks – both of which increase the rate of fire on semi-automatic weapons? Sure, installing them or using them sacrifices accuracy for speed. But when you’re firing indiscriminately into a crowd accuracy is not needed.

    • richardgrabman

      That’s the easy part. Dealing the problems of a culture that loves its guns (try finding a US produced film, or US popular novel that doesn’t include a shooting) and fails to understand the rest of the planet finds the US a rogue nation inhabited by insane killers is gonna be more difficult.

      • Celtic_Gnome

        We need to get the Chamber of Commerce involved. You think Vegas is going to see a drop in both foreign and domestic tourism after this?

  • Me Guest!

    Don’t worry, I’m sure the snaclibupers will live down to our expectations.

  • Scooby

    It seems that nothing that ever happens defines us.

    • Oblios_Cap

      It’s not who I am underneath but what I do that defines me.

  • ManchuCandidate

    “We cannot let the evil actions of a single person define us as a country. ”
    -Idiot Ryan

    But you do with Ayn Rand… And Alex Jones…

    The GOP and some Demrats let the actions of 19 hijackers define the US Amercia as a country. 9/11, Patriot act, Iraqinam etc. I am guessing the actual number according to Paul is somewhere between 2 and 18…

    • cmd resistor

      I was thinking he was referring to himself.

      • Oblios_Cap

        Or Mitch McConnell.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      Not to mention Twitler.

    • jesterpunk

      Offer only valid when its a white male, does not apply to minorities.

    • Opalescent Riddles

      “We cannot let the evil actions of a single person define us as a country.”

      How about the appx. 600 innocent injured/dead? How does that define us? Is there a specific number you’re looking for here?

      As those numbers pile up, people suspect that it’s more plausible they’ll meet their demise this way than being struck by lightning, shark attack, etc. and they’ll restrict their activities. How is that freedom?

      • richardgrabman

        Seems a wee doesn’t go by I don’t hear about the “evil actions” of some “single person” in the US.

  • Riley Whodat Venable

    Got to get that “Silencers R G8” legislation passed.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Don’t forget armor piercing rounds. Just in case Bambi has started wearing Kevlar.

    • WY_cryptid

      Wolf season opens up here in WY very soon. They need to hurry because wolves hear really good.

  • spangled
  • OneYieldRegular

    Paul Ryan has children, right? Is this really the future he wants to leave them, where any nutcase in the country can buy military assault rifles and shoot up a crowd of people just out to enjoy an evening of fun and music?

    CHRIST, what an asshole indeed.

    • Daniel

      It won’t affect his kids- they’ll all have gone Galt by then, just as nature intended.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      Yeah, he doesn’t worry about that because he has money and fame and power. His kids will be fine. Everyone else’s, fuck ’em.

    • jesterpunk

      He doesnt think it will affect him because he is rich.

  • WeaselPoo

    Assumes testicles not in evidence.

  • OrdinaryJoe
  • President in Exile Firefly

    You know what will fix gun violence? Tax cuts!

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      Deregulation will make sure it never comes back!

    • MynameisBlarney

      And a total ban on rights for anyone that ain’t white, republican, xtian and male.

    • YoBunnyBunny

      And making sportsballers stand for the national anthem!!!!

    • GoutMachine

      Well, that and maor gunz, obvs.

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    Shocking OT: Trump has landed in PR and is saying stupid things. Asks congresswoman to repeat her praise for him.

  • jesuswasablack

    Now is not the time to discuss how to prevent this, we have to wait until everyone has forgotten about it, then we can talk about what we can’t remember!
    https://i1.wp.com/media.globalnews.ca/videostatic/90/419/2017-10-02T18-21-13.767Z–1280×720.jpg?w=670&quality=70&strip=all

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      I can’t stand that woman. I know we have other priorities right now but I sincerely hope she steps on a Lego barefoot every night for the rest of her life.

    • Ill-Advised

      It’s working so far. Gish-galloping the attention-deficited has made Ritalin the vitamin of choice for breakfast.

  • beingreleased

    Defenders of the silencer legalization say they don’t actually make gun shots silent. It seems that their argument is “We should legalize silencers because they don’t actually do anything.” What exactly do they want these silencers for if they don’t do anything?

    • jesuswasablack

      It’s all about ear protection, you know NRA nanny state stuff!

      • Celtic_Gnome

        Shooting ranges are still going to require ear protection because of liablity worries

    • MynameisBlarney

      Are they attempting to troll us with this shit?

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      They actually argue that it’s for the shooter’s ear protection. You know what else would help protect their ears? Not shooting 2000 rounds in five fucking minutes with a “bump stock” fully-automatic killing stick.

      • GoutMachine

        Or, like, earplugs.

    • h4rr4r

      I am glad to see you don’t have allergies, putting up and knocking down a strawman like that would have made me useless for the rest of the day.

    • Ill-Advised

      Culls weak stock. When the hunters go hunt the most dangerous game, the hunter is free to target practice and then hunt again with unimpaired hearing, while the best listeners survive another day. It’s making us stronger!

    • Daniel

      After every mass-shooting that makes the news, which is by no means all of them, I await the grimly inevitable moment when the NRA types come out of the woodwork to start getting pedantic over terms. Those guns weren’t fully automatic; silencers don’t actually silence guns; that model isn’t the model you said it was.

      None of that changes that whatever gun or guns was or were used people were killed with fucking guns. If your point is “ah, there’s no need to ban automatics because that’s not what they were using! HA!” my response is “then you’re saying non-automatic guns can also be used to kill people, and that’s why they also should be regulated more heavily.”

      • beingreleased

        These same people feel perfectly qualified to discuss global warming though: “I don’t know what an infrared transmission spectrum is, but I know it’s fake.”

      • GoutMachine

        Yeah, that’s SOP: semantic us to death to distract from meaningful debate.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Apparently, one of the good congresscritters has an op-ed in the NYT that says he doesn’t expect Congress to do a God damned thing. Not linking because I don’t have the strength to read it just yet, but I’m pretty sure I have to agree with that much…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dd6e6fd99f27414181978f47976897d5fc17432b874baf63ce1403b7e9fde60e.jpg

    • h4rr4r

      You want the GOP Congress to accomplish something?

      Why? What the hell is wrong with you?

      • Three Finger Salute

        I want them to accomplish writing their resignation letters.

  • beingreleased

    Someone needs to ask a Republican: “Are you concerned that these bullets designed for piercing armor will be used for piercing armor?”

    • jesuswasablack

      Tyrannical governments wear armor, they must be pierced!

    • cmd resistor

      Make America Medieval Again.

  • calliecallie

    Nut-twisting Paul Ryan honestly seems to me like it doesn’t go quite far enough. With votes.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    I haven’t heard anyone say or write that Hitler was for gun control. Progress? Or still early?

    • MynameisBlarney

      Still early.

  • Beautiful Soup

    OT: Trump live in Puerto Rico, bragging about Maria’s death toll vs. Katrina.

    • Mr. Blobfish

      Maria got better ratings?

      • Daniel

        I was asked you heard all the press, so nasty, terrible fake news, they were all saying “what are you” how do you, you know. This problem. This problem. How can you solve? This problem, totally you know it’s completely unpresidented, totally- some say it was saved special for me, yeah, I know, I know. So they said, terrible people they are terrible people “How do you solve Maria, the problem like this?”

        • Good_Gawd_Yall

          You know what’s fucking scary about that? I honestly can’t tell if you’re “doing” him or if he actually said it.

          • Daniel

            I promise I’d never do him.

    • Daniel

      I just met a storm called Maria, and believe me, folks, suddenly you know it’s like that name, you know, great name, the best, will never be the same, to me. Believe me.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      Now can we call those who still support him deplorables FFS?

      • MynameisBlarney

        Wait…we were supposed stop calling them that?

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      WHAT

    • elviouslyqueer

      I’ll take “What is another person who would also benefit from a foot up the ass?” for $400, Alex.

  • Michael R
  • Oblios_Cap

    Make Paul Ryan a Nancy-Boy!

    • Daniel

      I can’t help but read this as though George Michael Bluth is saying it excitedly to be told “don’t keep saying that” by Michael.

  • Toomush_Inferesistance

    Hey! How come Evan doesn’t have to insert Votes into his nut-twisting??????….Is he in the More Equal Animals Party?……

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    We cannot let the evil actions of a single person define us as a country.

    Does that mean Paul Ryan will finally take a stand against Donald’s bullying? Good to know!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a3ce917cbc1b4f9eb825053bef916031090a04c03a89ee1d0aa182194ada4ac8.jpg

  • memzilla Ω

    The high rate of fire from the LV shooter is confirmed to have been because of a perfectly legal, BATF-approved modification called a “bump stock.” With it, one can easily blow through 2000 rounds in less than five minutes.

    “…it provides an effective means of engaging a gun’s trigger extremely quickly. Instead of pulling back the trigger to fire, the user places his or her finger slightly in front of the trigger and pushes the whole gun forward with steady pressure. The trigger hits the finger and the round goes off. Recoil pushes the gun back, but the shooter’s forward pressure immediately returns the trigger back to the finger, and so the gun fires off another round faster than the blink of an eye.”

    We could start by FUCKING OUTLAWING IT, but we won’t.
    . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1515a9739f11fb6c847968783c486a7853553ee46d9406d6ada5f4e236d434c1.jpg

    • Mr. Blobfish

      Hunters need that. How else are you going to kill a whole herd of antelope in a few seconds?

    • cmd resistor

      Make me physically ill.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Not only that, but a device like a bump stock (or a trigger crank) can be purchased by an individual even if that individual would be barred from purchasing the firearm it modifies. And since such a device serves no other purpose than to modify a weapon, it would seem to draw an inference that purchasing one of these devices means you either have or have the means to acquire the weapon it goes with.

      • AmazingProfessionalCrastinator

        I buy them for everyone on my Christmas list.

  • Oblios_Cap

    So the Cheetostained Shitgibbon Bunglecunt is embarrassing America in one of its territories that has taxation without representation?

    Say, what was our revolution all about again?

    • Jeffocaster in the West

      “I just visited Puerto Rico and I can say it is a mess. Loser, sad mess. And when I get back to Washington (after a couple of stops at Mar-a-largess), I am going to have the Republicans start a bill to give back that Mexican infested place to Cuba. Let them stick it in their cigar and smoke it!”

    • cmd resistor

      I just tuned in to hear him introduce a Coast Guard guy and then talk for a long time about what a great job they had done in Texas saving 16,000 lives in Harvey. He made a bunch of dumb hand gestures talking about how the water came in, then it went out, then it came back, but the Coast Guard was there. Melania is wearing white again, with hiking/work boots

    • Crank Tango

      The 2nd Amendment, I think.

  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    You know what’s pretty much the definition of a bad day? When the murders of 59 people and the wounding of nearly 600 others gets a shrug from americans who have now learned that there is literally nothing that can happen in this country to stop the NRA from being the only voice that’s listened to. Kill 20 children? Shoot a Congresswoman? Murder three presidents and shoot two others? Murder 49 people at a nightclub? Thoughts-n-prayers and price-of-freedom. Try to stop a bloodbath? HOLY SECOND AMENDMENT YOU’LL TAKE MY GUNS OUT OF MY COLD DEAD HANDS IT’S A SPORT IT’S A LONE WOLF #NOTALLGUNOWNERS
    Dear gawd, this country has lost its fucking mind.

    • MynameisBlarney

      “Dear gawd, this country has lost its fucking mind.”

      Lost it some time ago, actually.

      • Three Finger Salute

        We had one in the first place?

        • MynameisBlarney

          Yeah….for a minute.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Some knob was saying “Do you want to restrict the 4th Amendment too?”

      I wanted to reply back “Plain view, exigent circumstance, search incident to an arrest, Terry stop, search when crossing an international border, search of work areas, reasonable suspicion drug testing…your 4th Amendment rights are already restricted.”

    • foiled again

      Guess I’ll have to break the news
      That I’ve got no mind to lose

  • Thiazin Red

    Is there even any attempt to justify silencers or armor piercing rounds? Do they even pretend that there is some other use than making murder easier?

    • jesterpunk

      Freedumb?

    • MynameisBlarney

      To overthrow the govt or something…

    • WotsAllThisThen

      Because Donnie Jr’s hearing was so damaged by the loud noises, he didn’t hear anyone say, “Don’t collude with the Russian government to throw the election.”

    • Crank Tango

      Someone think of the eardrums!

    • Lance Thrustwell

      It’s to pierce the armor of the jackbooted thugs that pour out of the black helicopters on your lawn. The bodies will just pile up! And they’ll never come back. And you’ll be a real American hero.*

      *I wish I was making that viewpoint up.

    • h4rr4r

      Armor piercing rounds are often classified in a rather subjective manner. This means lots of lead free environmentally better ammunition has been banned.

      Suppressors reduce gunshot blasts from causing instant hearing damage, to being simply very loud.

      It would be more effective to know about the opposition arguments so you can counter them.

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      To the extent you can justify them on grounds of ear protection, maybe there ought to be a limit on how quiet the gun is allowed to get.
      Federal law imposes a minimum 30-year sentence for crimes committed with a suppressed gun (not it matters to mass-murdering lunatics.)

  • jesterpunk

    Since Paul Ryan is working on an abortion bill will he also reauthorize CHIP?

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      Spending on borned kids? LOL. He’s a Republican.

  • Ill-Advised

    I saw a pink AK-47 in a city neighborhood recently.

    That is all.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      Walmart sells a pink .22 rifle sized for young girls. I think it’s marketed as “My first penis stick.”

  • h4rr4r

    Not to be too far off the topic here, but the armor piercing bullet thing has two actually reasonable sides.

    The side you don’t see is that many non-toxic bullet designs have been banned as armor piercing. This means more lead goes into the environment and more raptors eat game with lead in it.

    The NRA nutbags want to use it to make everything legal. Some of us however would like to not poison the birds.

    • C4TWOMAN

      I was reading something about that the other day. Yeh, if a hunter can retrieve EVERY bird shot, that would be different. But we know thats not going to happen because of reality.

      • h4rr4r

        That exactly.

        This is another reason why I am getting more and more into big boy pellet guns. Since these regulations don’t exist and the muzzle velocities are pretty much in the handgun range I can use all kinds of neat new ammo that is better for the environment.

        I fully expect these bolt action pellet guns to be legislated out of existence, since they produce handgun level power. While semiautomatic handguns will stay totally legal.

        • C4TWOMAN

          I always meant to get around to owning a firearm, but never did. I just don’t need one(have plenty of knives/swords/martial arts do hickeys tho…). That would change if I moved to a rural/wilderness area for a variety of reasons(hunting, emergency services are 30 minutes away, etc). But for hobbyist purposes I’ve been looking at air guns and other low powered “long arms”. But the honest truth is I’ll probably get some sort of bow first, lol….

          • h4rr4r

            I have all kinds of fun stuff, bows too.

            Mostly I shoot 10 meter in my basement. I doubt anyone will try to ban olympic sports related equipment.

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      The only lead that gets eaten in any quantity is shotgun pellets – and there’s no legal issue with steel or tungsten shot.

      • h4rr4r

        Please go talk to people who keep and care for raptors.

        Lead in small fur bearing mammals is a big deal.

        • Biel_ze_Bubba

          Hmm… seems there is a way for lead bullets to end up in raptors after all: It’s not so much small mammals (who are unlikely to walk away with a lead slug embedded), but deer guts, left in the field by hunters – something I hadn’t thought of. Thousands of big piles of eagle chow, spiked with lead.
          Getting hunters to bury the gut piles, or dress the deer at home, would take a whole lot of educating. What makes lead non-armor-piercing is the fact that it’s soft, while still dense enough to take down a deer. I bet one could design steel or tungsten rounds that approximate the mass and mechanical strength of copper-jacketed lead slugs.
          https://www.raptor.umn.edu/our-research/lead-poisoning

          • h4rr4r

            The density of lead is way higher.

            Squirrels are not just left in the woods, they are eaten. The issue is not all animals will expire as quickly as desired.

  • pstokk

    So if you jerk off too much into a lake full of taxpayer money do you get a re-bate?

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    Since we average a mass shooting every day in this country and the Republicans don’t want to talk about the one in Las Vegas, can we talk about the one before that, or the one before that, or the one before that, or the one before that, or the one before that,…….

    • mardam422

      Too soon, time to heal, lone-wolf, need to vote on Obamacare repeal, too late.

    • Me not sure

      We need to designate one day a year to memorialize the gunshot deaths of the previous year by reading aloud the names of the dead a la 9/11. Can you read 30,000 or so names within 24 hrs.?

  • MynameisBlarney

    Even Scarborough is on the right side of this…

    “There’s only one reason for people to have these weapons in their
    hands,” Scarborough said. “Only one reason, and it’s only one — (but)
    they will not say it in a radio debate or a TV debate. It’s because they
    think the government is coming to get them and they want to have a
    stockpile of weapons, and so it’s to kill American soldiers or members
    of the American government.”

    • h4rr4r

      I think minorities have already proven this to be the case.

      We live in a land of no knock raids.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      He’s right. I don’t know if he mentions how futile that kind of resistance would be, however. I like Jim Jeffries’ assessment; “you’re taking a gun to a drone fight.”

      • Maybe

        We get the same kind of braggadocio from gun guys who seem to be looking forward to defending their families against a home invasion.

        I pointed out to one that bullets can go through walls, so his family would be at risk of gunfire even if they were in a different room (not to mention the neighbors). His response was that he’d use bullets that wouldn’t go through walls.

        My response?
        1. Do you have any idea what inner house walls are made of?
        2. Will your home invaders also agree to use nerf bullets?

        • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

          That’s why the best weapon for home defense (if you must have one) is a 12-gauge shotgun. Properly loaded, the pellets do not have enough kinetic energy to penetrate interior walls while still doing significant physical damage to the intruder.

          • Maybe

            That makes sense, though I would have thought that even pellets would penetrate dry wall. Not like a bullet, though.

            My own preference would be for technology, a big dog, or just running like hell. The running part would be doubly true for my family. The best way to survive a gun confrontation is to not be there.

          • Sakonyachen

            After the pellets go through the wall, their impact is greatly reduced. Bullets are designed to pierce, so unless they hit a stud directly, they will go through drywall like paper. Most of the damage a shotgun produces is close range, and based on the combined impact of all the pellets. If they hit something first, they lose a lot of power. Of course if you’re standing on the other side of the wall you’re still going to the ER or the morgue.

            With all those factors I go with two big dogs. Even an armed home invader is not interested in hoping they get a kill shot before the dog gets a grip. Much less two.

          • Maybe

            Thanks for the information. My knowledge of shotguns—if “knowledge” is even the right word here–is limited to tv shows and they tend to emphasize the bloody mess left by a shotgun blast.

            I am somewhat familiar with drywall, though, and I have made holes in it without even trying.

            The bottom line is that a person’s family home is not really a good place to stage a home invasion shootout. Anyone who feels otherwise has watched too many John Wayne movies.

          • Sakonyachen

            I absolutely agree. The best defense if you are concerned is window bars, solid doors and large dogs. Really the large dogs will take care of it.

        • Sakonyachen

          How could anyone believe in a bullet that doesn’t go through walls unless it’s an air soft gun? I’ve put my fist through walls with little effort, but I’ve never put my fist through a human despite maximum effort. What good would a bullet that doesn’t go through walls be for self defense? It can’t be for a stun effect. The people I hit with my fist didn’t have guns but most of them kept fighting. If a bullet isn’t as strong as my fist, the armed home invader can keep shooting. I wonder if these people get all their ballistic knowledge from playing Call of Duty. They should just get bigger dogs like me.

          • Maybe

            Everything you say is reasonable. Which is why it has no chance of getting through to someone who sounds as if he is looking forward to a shoot-out in his family home.

            Bigger dogs is a good idea. Of course my first choice would be to run and avoid any confrontation at all. And I would want my family to run even faster.

          • Sakonyachen

            I agree with the running, it’s just hard to run away when someone is already in your home. I don’t know any stats, but I doubt most home invasions happen when someone is home.

      • Good_Gawd_Yall

        Reminds me of that picture of the numpty lying behind the barrier to defend Cliven Bundy’s right to steal from the government, apparently unaware that helicopter gunships are a thing.

        • Biel_ze_Bubba

          I have to dredge up the photoshop job somebody did, rendering that image into green-and-grey night vision, complete with crosshairs.

    • Blackest Noobs

      though morbidly honest, there are easier, more efficient, and more effective ways to kill people than using a gun. heck some of you all might have all you need to do so under your kitchen sink.

      but yeah…the gun opposition should just keep hitting on that point, all these gun nuts just want the guns so they can kill someone else.

      i have a few gun, nowhere near 27-30 rifles like Las Vegas shooter, and i know what they are meant to do….KILL…plain and simple….and also probably why they mostly lie in my attic all year round.

      • Covfefe

        Knives. Fine. How many did that actual, good faith ISIS terrist in Marseilles manage to kill Sunday with his precious knife? Is that what you want for Americans?

        • Blackest Noobs

          knives are good for close and personal, but seriously you probably got nuff stuff under the kitchen sink to construct a make-shift bomb, grabs some nails from the garage or shed, and you got a poor man’s claymore.

          • Covfefe

            Hadn’t thought of that. Spend my time on the wrong websites, I guess.

    • Werewolf

      While shouting “Support our military heroes!” and “Blue Lives Matter!”

  • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

    Paul. If only it was a evil action from a single person, but it happens every goddamn day here. And in case you can’t figure it out, that’s hundreds of evil actions and thousands of Americans dying. Fuck you.

    • MynameisBlarney

      Carried by the largest pack of “lone wolves” ever.

  • Randy Riddle

    It’s really too soon to talk about GOP Congresscritters appearing on news programs to discuss the latest shooting. They haven’t had enough time to wash the blood off the NRA money lying around the office.

  • beingreleased

    At least the US is still doing good work in the UN. No wait… I mean that other thing. “Evil”, that’s it.
    https://twitter.com/thinkprogress/status/915246518835269635

    • ariel_gee_398

      This is one of those days where the attacks of the evil and dumb feel like they’re coming from every fucking direction and I just don’t know which one to deal with first.

      • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

        “Bernard, how could you allow this to happen?”
        “CBE, Minister.”
        “CBE?”
        “Can’t Be Everywhere.”

    • Chyron HR

      “The Most LBGTQ-Friendly President In History” does it again!

      • ariel_gee_398

        “See how Ivanka moderates him! She’s so gay-friendly.”

      • Maybe

        Old saying: With friends like that, who needs enemas?

    • C4TWOMAN

      Whateverinthefuck…..
      Again, I don’t get it. This is political candy, “Look good without lifting a finger”….
      But going out of the way to look like a dick?
      ???

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      Oh great – the USA is now officially evil. Well done, Trumptards. Well done indeed.

  • Courser_Resistance

    Fuck the whole “Select Committee” bullshit. They’re nothing but giant money-pits that suck in millions of taxpayer dollars for ZERO RESULTS other than a bunch of lawmakers bloviating. Someone name one fucking thing a Select Committee ever did other than vacuum up grift dollars?

    • bookish

      You got me there.

    • foiled again

      Gunghazi.

  • memzilla Ω
  • Me not sure

    Many of these shootings turn out to be political acts in and of themselves. How does one avoid that?

    • Maybe

      This is just my theory, but when mass killings are done in the name of politics or religion I think that’s a con–a convenient excuse. More often the killings seem to be done just because the killer can and he really, really wants to kill.

      This is especially true when religion is cited since all major religions advocate peace.

      And I really wish the media wouldn’t give the killers the fame they want. The deaths should be mourned, but the killing should be treated with contempt and insults.

      • Me not sure

        A lot of these people hold genuine, albeit bizarre, anti-government political beliefs.

        • Biel_ze_Bubba

          If it’s a sincerely held belief, well . . . what can you do?

          • Me not sure

            Bleed out?

        • Maybe

          I agree, but the actions of terrorists don’t seem to match those beliefs particularly. They garner attention, but they don’t advance an agenda. They don’t target the people who are cast as villains in those beliefs. Sometimes they target people who are much like the terrorists themselves in many ways: culture, religion, etc.

          The one thing they do have in common is some kind of bizarre emotional drive that finds satisfaction in hurting and killing.

      • Lance Thrustwell

        I think that the whole fixation on “motive” is kind of bizarre in itself. What possible “reason” could someone have that would make others nod and say, “oh yeah, I can see that”? The “motive,” whatever it is, is not-understandable by definition.

        It’s how I view insanity defenses for mass murderers: irrelevant. The point is that they’re a clear and present danger. I don’t care if they did it because of childhood abuse, the voices in their head, or the phase of the fucking moon. They’re a malfunctioning unit that needs to be recycled.

        • GoutMachine

          Agreed, and I think a lot of the search for motive redirects energies from prevention. That is, the notion that if we figure out the motive we can prevent it from happening again. It doesn’t matter. The common thread in all of these, regardless of motive, is that the perpetrator was able to legally purchase shittons of firearms and ammo.

          • Lance Thrustwell

            A-fucking-men. Consider my upfist a representative of a thousand.

        • Maybe

          That’s why I feel that their “motive” is not based on reason, but on a perverted emotional drive. They do these things for fun–for ego–for attention–for self-gratification.

          It’s violence as metaphorical masturbation.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Other countries’ media gives a damnatio memoriae to mass murderers. From there on out it’s always “the perpetrator of” or “the ____ killer” if he (and 99.99999999999% of the time it’s a he) ever has to be mentioned again. Like say, a member of his family died or started a foundation to help people in some capacity related to what said relative, spouse, etc. did.

        • Maybe

          I hadn’t heard that before, but it seems like a sound tactic. A lot of these guys seem to be in search of some kind of personal glory–which, unfortunately, the media provides. The terrorists should be insulted and demeaned at every opportunity from the moment they act.

          Our media too often handles violence as entertainment.

  • WotsAllThisThen

    On the bright side, no school children were attacked by grizzly bears.

    • anon_the_great

      Even in that case a deer rifle is more than adequate

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      See? It’s working!

  • Joe Beese

    Ooh, a “select committee”. Now it’s serious.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      No, it’s only serious when they find the blue ribbon to put on it.

      • Panika MCD

        that’s a “behind closed doors committee” so that the people on it don’t get fucked in their next primary. Nancy seems to think the gun humpers can better get fucked in the general if it’s meetings are public.

    • Panika MCD

      it’s an “as opposed to a standing committee” because we seriously do have all the information to act on, we just need to do it. it lets the NRA endorsed officials appointed to it know that it will continue as long as is necessary, so they’d better do something or it will potentially become a standing subcommittee of the Homeland Security Committee.

    • jesterpunk

      Will it be like the CDC where they claim they can study shootings as long as the research doesnt mention anything about gun control which pretty much kills any research?

  • ariel_gee_398

    Today is not the day he became president: https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/915249090027548672

    • cmd resistor
    • bubbuhh

      Omaya Sosa Pascual is a reporter with the Center for Investigative Journalism (CPI) in San Juan. She was skeptical of the government’s figure of 16 and began to call the 69 hospitals around the country, asking them about deaths related to the hurricane.

      Pascual spoke to dozens of doctors, administrators, morgue directors, and funeral directors around the country, and wrote up her initial findings in a September 28 report in the Miami Herald. She then got Puerto Rico’s public safety secretary to confirm Monday that there have been dozens more deaths than the official statistic reflects. By her count, there are now an estimated 60 confirmed deaths linked to the hurricane and possibly hundreds more to come.

      So why has the government been so slow to document the dead? Is this a cover-up, or just an administrative casualty of the all-encompassing crisis?

      The biggest reason we’re not hearing about the fatalities:

      One part of the answer is simple: The situation is so chaotic that death certificates aren’t being signed, which means deaths aren’t being officially recorded.

      https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/10/2/16392670/puerto-rico-death-toll-trump

      • jesterpunk

        Change block count to blockquote. But yeah what an asshole.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      Fuck me running, every. single. person. in one hospital’s intensive care unit died because the power went out. And he’s thinking people should be PROUD of that. I think I need . . . fuck, I don’t even know what I need. Alcohol? A vacation? To gouge my eyeballs out with a spoon?

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        Deaths AFTER the fucking storm had passed – because of lack of services. Yeah, be proud of that, you ignorant orange fuckstick.

      • ariel_gee_398

        A punching bag and a fifth of something highly alcoholic?

        • Three Finger Salute

          Well, that’s one way to “plea the fifth.”

    • Asterix

      JFC, he actually said that? What the fuck is wrong with him? He cannot open his goddamn mouth with spewing fucking bullshit.

      I need booze.

      Gods how I hate this asshole and all republicans.

    • Sophia

      It’s so hard to tell anymore what’s real and what’s not. Did the fucking idiot really say that.

      • ariel_gee_398

        Of course he did. While also saying this hurricane wasn’t as bad as Katrina and PR is lucky, and that PR had blown up the budget. Oh, and demanding praise from the assembled dignitaries.

        • Sophia

          Jesus, they probably wished the asshole had just stayed home.

      • YoBunnyBunny

        There’s always a new low to reach. We may as well be getting a tour of the bottom of the Pacific Ocean.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Look, we have a tragedy. We’re going to — what happened in Las Vegas is in many ways a miracle. The police department has done such an incredible job, and we’ll be talking about gun laws as time goes by. But I do have to say how quickly the police department was able to get in was really very much of a miracle. They’ve done an amazing job.

    I can think of around 600 people who don’t think what happened in Las Vegas is in many ways a miracle.

    • bubbuhh

      The Po-Po would not have gotten in nearly so quickly if the gunman hadn’t already offed himself.

  • Asterix

    I live in the state with the “strictest gun laws in the country!”, which is a fucking lie because we still have fucking guns here… but no budget. My Senators and Representatives are already doing everything they can to get “common sense” gun laws passed (whatever the fuck they are) so calling them is kinda pointless.

    It is officially after 5pm in Greenwich (UK, not CT) so I have to start drinking because I can’t handle all this fucking bullshit sober.

    BTW has the asshole landed in San Juan yet?

    • Daniel

      I think all of him has.

      • pstokk

        Who could tell?

    • anon_the_great

      Uh, gun control doesn’t mean gun prohibition.

      • Asterix

        If I had it my way, it would.

    • Bill D. Burger

      Yes….and undoubtedly adding to the misery of the people there.

  • anon_the_great

    Screw legislation. First Responders and other Patriots should be storming the NRA in pursuit of Wayne LaPierre’s head.

    • Three Finger Salute

      …of lettuce…

    • YoBunnyBunny

      This. I am just completely befuddled why people representing first responders and emergency room practitioners aren’t raising all kinds of hell every time a mass shooting happens.

      All this “Look how heroic First Responders are!!! God bless American!” is starting to sound like some jingoistic bullshit, which only serves to distract us from why these things are happening in the first place and what we can do to prevent another attack.

  • Blackest Noobs

    the problem is people who don’t want people shooting other people need to be elected so we can change this.

    unfortunately the NRA has a LOT OF MONEY.

    so we need to foot the bill….we need to donate money to the cause….let’s stop gun violence.
    this is an epidemic…and we need to resolve it, and we can….we just need to be willing to spend more than the NRA.

    • jesterpunk

      We had that chance in the last election but people decided that being prepared and having emails was worse then anything.

      • Blackest Noobs

        but not just on the Presidential level, we all need to be more involved with our local govt…it begins there, it starts there.

        and we need to concentrate on who we send to Congress, and listen, right now the GOP is basically just giving the Dems a gift….they are fucking up left and right, and this right now, this is an opportunity. A BIGLY opportunity.

        • jesterpunk

          Dems dont typically vote in any year except presidential years which is a huge problem because the other elections are “boring”. If someone can figure out how to change that and get more Dems to vote we will win, large turnouts always favors Dems.

    • Boscoe

      Sigh. Due to the rules I can’t even suggest what *I* think might motivate certain politicians to care about gun violence more…

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        Probably wouldn’t work. The money is what matters. Watch as Scalise shamelessly takes the NRA’s blood money in the next election.

        • Boscoe

          He might not be so happy if he had to spend it all on body armor tho. ;P

  • Bill D. Burger
    • YoBunnyBunny

      Oh, he was just “Saying What He Means” without really meaning what he was saying.

    • Three Finger Salute

      You don’t even have to put the quote. That picture says a biglyzillion words about what is wrong with America.

  • Scooby

    I had a friend that was stabbed in Philly 15 years ago. The medical bills he incurred were so high he was wiped out financlly from it and had to file bankruptcy.

    • jesterpunk

      That was the major cause of bankruptcy, the GOP plan for that is to make it harder to file bankruptcy unless your rich.

      • Boscoe

        …but they’ll throw in a free set of GOP logo bootstraps at taxpayer expense.

        • sweeper

          Bootstraps ftw.

          • Boscoe

            Funny thing is that “pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps” was originally an epic diss for someone attempting something that was clearly impossible. So really, conservatives ARE using it correctly, they just assume everyone is too stupid to realize.

          • sweeper

            Oh awesome. Spreading this lil piece of etymology.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        Can’t hardly wait for Trump to get on the “bankruptcy is bad” bandwagon.
        Which he could do without batting an eyelash — and the dumbfuck Trumpanzees would line up right behind him.

        • YoBunnyBunny

          Hell, the Trump Humpers thought he was the most successful bidness man there ever was even before he was elected.

      • ariel_gee_398

        Hey, making debt impossible to expunge worked great for student loans. Why not medical bills?

      • Scooby

        Funny, but he had a junk medical policy that didn’t cover being attacked.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      I knew a man who was shot in the head in a robbery. He lost his job because he couldn’t function properly anymore, which of course led to a cascade of losses of home, car, etc, etc. Friends helped as much as they could but he wound up on disability benefits and food stamps, living in an apartment in a bad neighborhood because that was all that was affordable. It’s the “what happened next” part of the stories that we never hear.

      • Three Finger Salute

        That’s even worse that not only did he end up permanently disabled, but he ended up on welfare because of it. That basically renders him a pariah and an unperson in America. A “taker” as Ryan puts it. Zegs’ ideological forebears in 1930s Germany had far worse terms.

  • An Outhouse for the résistance

    Sorry asshole Ryan, the evil acts of individuals are exactly what defines America right now. When you can haul an arsenal that includes a machine gun up into a hotel and rain terror down on innocents, that is pretty much the definition of evil. Congratulations, you fucktard, you facilitate evil every day of your shitty life.

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    “It wouldn’t even be politically risky, since 90% of Americans support universal background checks.”

    Yeah, well 80% like their ACA insurance – and we’ve seen how much the Rethugs care about that.
    Same problem: what matters to these venal fuckers is not the public, it’s the money.

  • jesterpunk

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/politics/donald-trump-puerto-rico-visit/index.html

    “I hate to tell you Puerto Rico, but you’ve thrown our budget a little out of whack,” Trump said. “But that’s fine.”

    https://media.giphy.com/media/k9kKWKaUEDBM4/giphy.gif

    • Jeffery Campbell

      Thanks for this. In captures my mood perfectly.

    • Jamoche

      Ya think he used that line with his companies when they had things happen that any well-run place would’ve budgeted for?

    • Teto85

      That scene right there was worth the price of admission.

  • YoBunnyBunny

    “We cannot let the actions of a single person define us as a country.”

    Well, as of lately, there have been several “Single persons” shooting up America over the past decade. How many “lone wolves” make a pack? But he is right, if this were a single once-in-a-lifetime event, we shouldn’t be concerned. But all those single persons are starting to add up and that is the problem.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      Not to mention millions of enablers.

    • Sophia

      We haven’t hit Bingo in the body count number yet.

  • GoutMachine

    Was largely offline yesterday. I didn’t miss anything, did I?

    Seriously, fuck these people. Fuck ALL OF THEM. I’m so beyond sick and tired of this violence, and of all these gun-humpers who value owning a firearm more than they value the lives of men, women and children. LITTLE CHILDREN.

    If you think a gun is worth more than a life, then fuck you. Fuck you right off.

    • proudgrampa

      “If you think a gun is worth more than a life, then fuck you. Fuck you right off.”

      My new mantra.

      Thank you.

  • Bill D. Burger

    Let’s see! Republicans want mentally disturbed people to purchase weapons, be able to fill them with armor piercing ammunition, and put a silencer on them?

    https://software.intel.com/sites/default/files/race.jpg

    SSDD….. Gawwd’ Bless Murricca’! Cause freedumb’!

  • beingreleased

    Don’t worry, I think this problem can be solved with a tax cut for the rich.
    https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/915249589686386689

    • Bill D. Burger
      • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

        Where did you get that film of me?

    • Blackest Noobs

      ee gads what an asshole president we have….such an asshole

    • Sophia

      This fucking guy!

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      “Gee, sir. I’m sorry that A CATEGORY 5 HURRICANE DEVASTATED OUR ISLAND!”

      What a clueless dick.

    • OneWhiteWhisker

      Is this his idea of a joke??

      • beingreleased

        I think so. But he should have learned in his White House HR training, that some jokes aren’t appropriate for the workplace.

    • peregrin

      I swear, my reaction to 99% of the shit he says is to yell, “FUCK YOU!!!!” It’s almost Pavlovian now.

  • Maybe

    This was domestic terrorism. I don’t care if it wasn’t done in the name of religion or politics. Those are just phony excuses anyway, used by guys who really want to kill someone.

    • jesterpunk

      It is terrorism by the Nevada law.

      https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-202.html#NRS202Sec4415

      NRS 202.4415  “Act of terrorism” defined.

      1.  “Act of terrorism” means any act that involves the use or attempted use of sabotage, coercion or violence which is intended to:

      (a) Cause great bodily harm or death to the general population; or

      (b) Cause substantial destruction, contamination or impairment of:

      (1) Any building or infrastructure, communications, transportation, utilities or services; or

      (2) Any natural resource or the environment.

      2.  As used in this section, “coercion” does not include an act of civil disobedience.

      (Added to NRS by 2003, 2947)

      • Maybe

        Thanks for the information. I had thought that the idea had to be to inspire terror in the general population by targeting people at random. There is usually some nominal cause attached, but terrorists don’t seem to be truly religious or even rationally political.

        Nevada law seems to encompass the idea that the attack is on the general population. That makes sense.

  • KnaveOfSwords

    I realize this isn’t exactly the right place for it, but seeing as this is a site that occasionally has news amidst its dick-jokes, and as I’m not well-versed in social media (I hit the somewhat narrow age-bracket where most of it feels like “how to tell everyone online all the things you grew up being told not to tell anyone online.”), I’m going to toss this suggestion here, in hope that others here can help get it to the right audience.

    I have a challenge for everyone in the media (and yes, purveyors of comedy interspersed with news are welcome to jump in on this as well) – and I’m directing this to them because I have more faith in them doing their part here than I do the actual politicians. No more stories that end at “our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims of _____.” If an elected official is putting out a press release, a statement, a tweet, or what-have you, extending their sympathies over the latest tragedy, before you go to print, or air, or whatever medium with it, I want you to do two things.
    1) contact them/their office and ask what -if anything – they’re actually doing about it.
    2) check their record on what they’ve done with similar situations and related issues. There’s been 3 Category 4 hurricanes, a wildfire across large stretches of California, and over 270 mass shootings this year alone, so regardless of what the next tragedy is, it’s unlikely this is their first time being part of responding to this sort of crisis.
    Now that you’ve gotten that information, make that – along with their “thoughts and prayers” – the story you publish. Because especially at times like these, the public has a right to know which of their representatives are actually working to help the victims, and which ones are sending thoughts and prayers while blocking actual aid. Who’s following up on their thoughts and prayers with efforts to prevent similar tragedies in the future, and who’s working to ensure that the same – or worse – will happen again.

  • Carpe Vagenda
  • Bill D. Burger

    Trump sheople and the NRAsshole Republicans see only one way to respond:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLJZCe8UMAE20vy.jpg

    • GoutMachine

      Huh. Has more teeth than I would have figured.

      • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

        Judging by his size, I figure he ate his teeth.

    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      How about more dental.

    • OneWhiteWhisker

      This man is 28 years old.

  • elviouslyqueer
    • Saw that coming up Broadway…

    • jesterpunk

      “There is disrespect now for our national anthem, disrespect for our veterans, disrespect for the institutions of our government, disrespect for the court system. All the way up and down the line, disrespect.”

      “I like people who where not captured”

    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      In other news: Nobody gves a fucking penny about your opinion, Pat.

    • MynameisBlarney

      Where was he when the ENTIRE FUCKING GOP AND THEIR SHITFORBRAINS VOTERS were disrespecting Obama for 8 years non-stop?

      • OneWhiteWhisker

        I’m assuming it’s because Obama had the “Curse of Ham” and therefore had no right to be president. According to this fool’s Book O’ Stupid.

  • Resistance Fighter Astraea

    I’ll be flying home from my Scotland trip tomorrow. I always hate going back, but I’ve never dreaded it quite like I do now.

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      I hope you at least enjoyed the trip. And had a wee dram or two for Bub…

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        Oh yes, I completely love Scotland and was very happy with the whole trip, thank you! There might have been a few wee drams…

        • sweeper

          Also, Scotland has been consistently fantastic in their treatment of 45, both before and after he became 45. To wit https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2de790614dfe2579b0771763d3343cd6d1e8c7c6a5d85ee9d0d7519b54d6cb01.png :

          • GoutMachine

            Pretty sure that cop is going over there to ask if she made him one of those, too.

          • Sakonyachen

            I wondered about that too. I don’t know much about Scotland, but I just assume vulgar language is the norm. Like a parliamentary debate would sound like:

            Representative for the bill says, ” Aye yeh wee coont yeh! Ow exahctly do we operate with oorng aired sheetgibbons fooking about in our greens!?”

            Opponent says, “Fook you, yeh cow!”

            I’m sure Scotland is probably not like that, but it’s more fun to believe that it is.

  • Bub, the cynical zombie

    “Dammit! The RyanBot88 is stuck in a loop again!”

    David Koch: “Now don’t you worry. He’s working just fine…”

    https://twitter.com/thinkprogress/status/915250095087509504

  • sweeper

    I’d like to take this time to state that, as an actually mentally ill person, I am totally cool with not being allowed to be a gun haver.

    • Jeffery Campbell

      With that level of personal and communal insight and thoughtfulness, you are not mentally ill compared to most people I’m coming in contact with these days. My best to you.

      • sweeper

        Thanks for the kind words. However, I am out and proud about being bipolar. Neurodiversity!

        • mailman27

          Nice!

    • Three Finger Salute

      I am too and I agree. I just wish there was a better alternative for “self-determination” as a “magic bullet” to cure it, than a Smith & Wesson lobotomy.

  • btwbfdimho

    “What defines is the heroism we saw…”
    Which heroism? I don’t see any hero around.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      It took two hours for Metro PD to locate and storm the shooter’s room, by which point he was dead. He had selected a corner suite specifically because it would force law enforcement to approach from only one direction, he selected a hotel room for which there was no “higher ground” for a police sniper to take him out, and he created enough confusion that PD had to wait for SWAT to act.

      • Good_Gawd_Yall

        Somewhere, too, I heard that he fired through the hotel room door at someone – whoever it was who first approached the room. After that they had to wait for SWAT. But you know what? Just in my own personal opinion, in no way condemning anyone else’s – I wouldn’t want anyone I loved to be the guy who had to storm a room where some lunatic was shooting hundreds of people. I can understand their hesitation. There’s no blame in my mind for the delay in terms of fatalities – that’s all on the shooter. He took thousands of rounds and two dozen guns into a hotel with one express purpose and whether it took him ten minutes or two hours to do what he set out to do is somewhat beside the point. I rather suspect that he shot himself after the venue emptied out because he ran out of targets, and, of course, because he was a fucking piece of shit cowardly inadequate barely-human troglodyte.

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    So people with a pre existing condition getting a gun is the American way of life but don’t you fucking dare to demand healthcare with the same condition.

    Also, this asshole again.
    https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/915247563946840064

    • Oblios_Cap

      I guess we’ll just have to postpone those tax cuts, then.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Keep your preposterous ideas for yourself!

  • WeaselPoo

    ‘silencers’ are just noise suppressors, making a .45 sound like .38. a .38 like a .22
    A ‘silenced’ pistol at typical use range (25 to 75 feet) would still be quite audible. But a ranged weapon fired from humdreds of feet would be a lot closer to silent–notwithstanding the greater amount of gunpowder in the longer casing that provides the greater effective range. Had the Las Vegas murderer been equipped with a silencer he could probably have killed even more as the suppressed sound would have been less obvious. Yet this is what these GOP fuckers and the NRA want to enable!!!

    • Proud Liberal

      The lack of high capacity clips would have saved a lot of lives.

    • Stulexington

      Would it bring the volume below that of your average concert?

      • WeaselPoo

        Above is rough relative comparison. In practice the factors would be decibel of shot, ambient sound, and absorption/reflection of elements in the environment. Shooting amongst close builldings the sound bounces off many surfaces making aural location of origin difficult.
        Shots across an open area will be easier to aurally locate origin. Suppression is then going to reduce the ability to judge the point of origin.

  • Proud Liberal
    • Three Finger Salute

      At the same time, disarm the government itself. The reason Kim wants nukes is because we still have them. The reason Iran wants nukes is because Israel and Saudi have them. Everybody get rid of nukes at the same time and nobody will “need” to have nukes.

      Disarm the cops. That attack in Edmonton could have been a lot biglier of a mess if the disturbed truck driver (and he was an isolated nut, wingnuts need to shut up about “refugees” and Muslims) had a gun and so did the officer. Instead, no one died. Shut down the weapons manufacturers and destroy their inventory.

  • Résistance Land Shark Ω

    “nut-twisting Paul Ryan”

    I’m Dog Butt Jeebus™ and I approve this message.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cb5a224ba3d30122b9a52aaaed63a3e67bd8ded64487546c478c669c939a3ddb.jpg

  • Bananas Foster

    https://wonkette.com/623788/nancy-pelosi-sending-thoughts-prayers-and-a-foot-up-paul-ryans-ass

    Jimmy Kimmel is transforming into someone I can really respect. I was crying along with him during the above.

    I might forgive him for helping make Adam Carolla famous.

    • beingreleased

      I’m about the same age as Jimmy Kimmel and I first saw him in the ’90’s on that Ben Stein show. He always reminded me of one of my college roommates, in both a good way and a bad way. I still see him that way (I haven’t really heard from the roommate in years, so he’s frozen in time). I guess what I’m saying is that even though I’ve never watched his talk show, I like him.

      • ImGoingBacon

        I remember him from ‘The Man Show’, and watched about 5 minutes of it before I changed the channels. A show which glorified women by watching them jump up and down on a trampoline (along with all their jiggly parts) just makes me think of MGTOW. But then again, what should I expect from a show called ‘The Man Show’

    • DesertedPictures

      They shouldn’t have lied about health care to his face… seems to have woken him up politically.

      • MynameisBlarney

        He was already pretty much woke.
        Now he’s fucking pissed.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      It sounds cliché, but probably having a son with some pretty serious medical issues pushed him in the right direction of being a voice for positive change. You know “What kind of world do I want for my son?” sort of stuff.

  • Cogswell – In a Mirror, Darkly

    I have no love for Joe Scarborough, but there’s this and I have to agree with him 100%

    Morning Joe nails the dark fantasy fueling gun nuts: They buy military weapons ‘to kill American soldiers’

    • BreakingDeadMen

      My God, it’s like what Marx said about capitalism and the rope for our own nooses, but exponential.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Bloodshed will continue until quarterly profits improve.

    • Three Finger Salute

      So… who’s waging a war on cops again? Maybe it’s “White Lives Matter”?

      • P’jama Pahnts

        Right. Please keep telling us about how those damn foreigners.

        • Three Finger Salute

          And “Obama thugs in Chicago”.

    • P’jama Pahnts

      We saw this start to play out with the whole Bundy ranch thingy

  • Three Finger Salute

    We are approaching three major milestones for gun massacres over the next few years. This December marks already five years since we did nothing about Sandy Hook except go reeeeeeee that it didn’t happen. 2018 marks two decades since the forgotten Jonesboro massacre at a middle school that should have served as a forewarning about Columbine but didn’t. In 2019 (ugh, 4/20, bummer, man) it will mark twenty years that we did nothing about Columbine except go reeeeeeeee at Marilyn Manson (and then go yaaaaaaay when he got injured by stage props resembling guns at a recent stage show — which were there to mock and insult the gun apologists who blamed him for it, instead of doing something about guns).

    Meanwhile, December of 2019 then marks already thirty years since the École Polytéchnique massacre in Montréal. What’s the difference about that last one? Canada actually did something about it. Not only do they have universal background checks and limits on how many guns anyone can have — also too, what types, and for what reason — but they have education and awareness campaigns throughout the country and from day 1 that get to the root of the ideology that motivated him to kill. Who sponsors these education and awareness campaigns? Horror of horrors! It’s the government!

    Just like with the Sainte-Foy mosque shooting, where a measure was passed to put together a fact-finding commission to come up with ways of counteracting Islamophobia, to defuse the possibility of future Polytéchniques, women’s rights are a cornerstone of social policy in Québec and in Canada overall as well. It’s well-known that feminism is part and parcel of the PM’s personal philosophy. Canada treats white supremacism and MRA mentality on the same level as jihadism. They make no distinction between as Dotard puts it “radical Islamic terrorism” and radical white-guy terrorism. Terrorism is terrorism and hate is hate. You don’t just say that one cancer is NBD and don’t treat it. Cancer is cancer and hate is a social cancer.

    But, that’s how it’s done in a sane country where the head of government is not A Asshole and neither is the governing majority party. Justin Trudeau was 17 years old going on 18, living in Québec with his father and brothers and preparing to attend university (or already enrolled somewhere) when that happened. No doubt it left a lasting impression on him as it did so many Canadians of the generation. So today he makes women’s rights central to his platform. He promotes women’s advancement in careers and particularly as role models in science. His science advisor and health mnister are women as is literally half his cabinet. The Governor General is a female astronaut. Had they not been killed by an obnoxious MRA for not “knowing their place,” the prospective candidates might have been selected among those 14 women who were enrolled as engineering students. We will never know what they would have accomplished in life.

    This is a country and a leader that gets to the root of the problem and tries to, if you will, “reverse engineer” it for the future, instead of shrugging their shoulders and saying “oh, well, freedom ain’t free, and it serves those women right for putting themselves in harm’s way instead of staying home, making babies and then making cookies for her husband and those babies she made with him.” The problem isn’t only guns. It’s hate. There is no Second Amendment in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. There technically isn’t a First Amendment either and there are laws against hate speech (albeit not as strong as some European countries but it could get there in the future). Ownership of destructive weaponry is not recognized as an essential “inalienable right” of humanity granted to mankind by one or more invisible deities or blind watchmakers. There is nothing in the UDHR that says so either. If anything, the UDHR and the Charter are aimed at promoting “peace, order, and good government.” The Constitution is aimed at promoting “I got mine, you Loyalists will pry my taxes from my cold dead hands — and I’ll make yours cold and dead first.”

    Canada backs up their acknowledgment of problems with answers and action. The U.S. chooses instead to issue mealy-mouthed, boilerplate dismissals so as not to “trigger” their gun-lobby paymasters. The U.S. is broken because the U.S. is defective by design. Which means, Polytéchniques and Columbines will continue until morale improves. Or America unleashes a 2A on everyone and everything in its path, whichever comes first.

    • DesertedPictures

      What do you mean: “we didn’t do anything?” We gave Trump and the Republicans the tools of goverment to make gun crime even more dangerous!

      • Three Finger Salute

        I meant we didn’t do anything to stop another one.

  • shivaskeeper

    Pelosi’s ideas are a good start. I’m not sure how effective a committee will be, if it’s even set up, in coming to any actionable conclusions. But it is a start.

    A huge part of the problem is that guns are part of our country’s mythological narrative. They are built into almost all of our myths and legends. From the Revolution, where a ragtag militia beat the best Army in the world, to the Old West, where people settled every dispute with a quick draw in the streets, to the rise of the gangsters during prohibition, to WWII, to the action movies in the 80’s and even now.* Guns are baked in from the very beginning. In TV and movies, all the heroes carry guns. We worship the military now and that is all about guns forward and bigger and bigger guns.

    The entire myth has to change for the culture to change. That is going to take generations probably, but it can and will happen.

    As it stands right now, guns are treated like toys, and are given the same respect a toy would be given. None at all. There are very few repercussions for fucking up with guns in this country. It’s newsworthy when someone is arrested and charged with a gun crime for negligently killing a neighbor or a random stranger. The killing doesn;t even register in the news cycle, but a charge against whoever pulled the trigger is.

    I think one of the best ways to do it is to force local governments and police to start treating anyone who fucks up with a gun as a criminal. There are no accidents, there is only negligence and negligence can certainly be criminal. I’m very sorry you negligently shot your toddler because you thought the gun was unloaded, but you are going to be charged with manslaughter or negligent homicide and anything else that is a violation of the laws up to and including noise ordinance violations. Charge and prosecute as felonies wherever possible so they are not legally allowed to have guns anymore since they have proven they are not capable of having them safely. If there were actual repercussions to everyone who fucked up, it wouldn’t take long for the culture around guns to change. Once people start going to jail or paying heavy fines they will wise up.

    But it has to be consistent. It has to be every damn time someone is negligent. Not some of the time, not half of the time, not most of the time. All of the time, every time.

    As it is, getting something like this done is going to be hard, but it will be a damn sight easier than trying to get Congress to do anything at all.

    • shivaskeeper

      Reply myself. Yes I know the cultural myths are generally wrong or misunderstood. The Revolution didn’t happen that way, the Old West was not the lawless place the stories make it out to be etc. . . .

    • arensb

      I think one of the best ways to do it is to force local governments and police to start treating anyone who fucks up with a gun as a criminal. There are no accidents, there is only negligence and negligence can certainly be criminal.

      You remind me of something I read recently about how, in decades past, people used to make excuses for drunk driving: “Yes, he hit a person, but cut him some slack: he’d just had a couple of drinks.” That sort of thing.
      Since then, of course, the culture has changed. Even if drunk-you can’t think straight enough to realize you can’t drive straight, sober-you is expected to know this, and can be held morally responsible.
      AIUI, what you’re saying is that, in the same way, a gun owner can be held partially or wholly responsible for easily-foreseeable consequences of firearm possession.

      • shivaskeeper

        Something like that. No more excuses for anyone who is negligent. No more cries of, “They have suffered enough” especially prevalent if they kill a family member or close friend. That shit has to cease.

        It should be treated the same as if they walked up to a complete stranger and shot them.

        Moral responsibility is not enough. Criminal responsibility has the be enforced.

        Just like cracking down on drunk driving did not stop all drunk driving, this won’t stop all gun bullshit. It will give society a better range of options to deal with it. The laws are there for the most part, they just aren’t enforced. As a minor example, I have never lived in a town where discharging a firearm in city limits was legal, yet if it was an “accident” no charges are filed. For a more serious one, someone “accidentally”kills their own spouse, no charges are typically filed.

        The end result should be that societal change. The same sort of change that moved people away from making excuses for drunk drivers even if they hurt someone, to treating it like a crime.

  • Alienist

    Our society will not be judged by the acts of the gunman, but it should be judged by our response to what the gunman did. Not the response of the first responders, their actions were good and brave but are shared by first responders around the world. The response that will define us is the response of our community to ensure that such actions will not occur again.

  • dslindc
    • LeighBowery’sLuxuryComedy

      Oh, I don’t know. I would encourage them all to give it a try. But make sure she’s ‘loaded’ before you shoot yours, if ya know what I’m sayin!

  • Teto85

    Didn’t the last Clowngress of President Obama’s term cut funding for the CDC study on the epidemic of gun deaths in the US? It was either that of they imposed a gag rule on the CDC when it comes to guns. I don’t have the time to look it up, but it was something like that. F the NRA.

  • Bananas Foster

    I’ve been trying to wrap my head around the number of people who were injured and killed.

    My high school had about 1000 students.

    Yep, it’s like more than half of my entire high school being injured or killed.

    Or, TWICE AS MANY PEOPLE AS WERE IN MY GRADUATING CLASS.

    • BigCSouthside

      It’s comparable to the Battle of Fallujah

      • Bananas Foster

        It’s easier for me to actually picture it when I think of the people at my graduation ceremony.

        • Courser_Resistance

          It’s almost 3 full airliners of people, think of it that way.

    • peregrin

      It’s more than double the entire population of my town.

      I’m debating whether to contact my congresscritter, but since he’s Mr. I-Can-Bodyslam-A-Reporter-And-Still-Get-Elected Gianforte there’s probably no point.

  • BigCSouthside

    I used to be in the camp that thinks 2A is fairly clear and we just need to make types of guns very difficult to get.

    The truth is 2A interpretation has been hijacked. I’m now of the opinion that this should be law:

    1.) you can have a semi auto. It can only hold 3 rounds and may not have a detachable magazine
    2.) after a grace period possession of any semi auto that does not meet this criteria is a felony with a no less than 5 year mandatory minimum
    3.) modification of any gun to alter its rate of fire or capacity is the same punishment.
    4.) trafficking illegal firearms falling under the definition of an assault weapon (semi/full auto, more than 3 rds) is a 30 year minimum
    5.) any firearm transaction requires background check.

    • arensb

      You forget the “Muh Red Dawn fight tyranny rawr rawr water the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots” clause of the 2A.

    • Jonny On Maui

      Here’s an easier way. Just a single question. What do you want to kill? If the answer is anything other than ‘food’, no gun for you.

      • BigCSouthside

        I can get behind that

      • DesertedPictures

        Most countries allow guns for sport-shooting as well. In Germany you can get a gun after being a member of a gun-club for a year and you pass a test. Sounds like a nice regulated militia to me…

    • bbayliss

      “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

      WELL REGULATED MILITIA (national guard) SECURITY OF A FREE STATE (prevent the slaves and poor from rebelling) KEEP AND BEAR (not own, but have access to and right to shoot said rebels when necessary)
      no other amendment specifically mentions regulation, yet almost all are regulated.

      Here’s the original version passed by the house:
      “A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person.”
      This makes it clear that “bearing arms” means military service.

    • Longstreet63

      I’m good with Originalism on this issue: you can have as many single shot black powder muskets as you want, just as the founders intended.
      And no rifling. That’s for the militia.

  • MAZS

    It’s long been clear that no Congressional Republican–and few Democratic ones–are willing to do the right thing if it means they might “lose their job”–even in situations like this where thousands needlessly die each year. Some issues are worth losing a job over–particularly when these jokers can find another one. That’s one more reason Kaepernick is morally superior to almost all Congressmen…….and a better American.

    • Courser_Resistance

      Correction: A bunch of Dem Congresscritters lost their jobs for voting for Obamacare. And they knew it when they voted. They were courageous about honestly doing something for their constituents. Most aren’t.

      • MAZS

        A few is much closer to the mark than “a bunch”.

      • Longstreet63

        They were replaced, of course, by ones who won’t do such crazy noble things.

  • Donkey Option

    I am so super proud of my CT congresscritters and senators. They keep pushing to enact gun control measures. And they’ll never vote in favor of the abortion ban. I guess what depresses me is that I’ve never wanted to own a gun, and I think gun control is so sensible, but a bunch of people seem to only be willing to advocate for gun control once someone they know or they themselves are personally affected by gun violence. I don’t need to have lost someone close to me to violence to know that no one needs 32 guns. I don’t need to have survived a gun massacre to know that universal background check, banning silencers and armor-piercing bullets, and preferably ending gun shows altogether would save lives. What is wrong with people?

    • Mystery_Poster

      My mother, ardent Trump supporter, was a victim of gun violence. Of the 3 people there that day, she was the only one to come out alive.

      I just don’t understand how she can support that man. It has strained our relationship, I just can’t respect her any more.

  • Anna Rompage

    Sorry, but it’s fucking time to do something, instead of hiding behind empty platitudes, imaginary & impotent god’s mercy/will, and inaction…

    Then again, it took us nearly 200 years to give people of color the appearance of equal rights, so maybe quelling our issue with gun violence will take another century or two before we start to acknowledge the issue and deal with it…

    What the fuck is wrong with this fucked up country?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/13b5f03118b80618d4e0ee4e3d5cadaa6ae0b1c4ac103acd6e402ba647fe19a4.jpg

  • Persistent Tennessee Rain

    I’m going to write my congressman because he is a NRA monies taking dick. I’d really like to hear from him why he thinks it is okay for a small group of Americans to be able to stockpile military weapons because this is not normal behavior and anyone who engages in it is, by definition, mentally ill and should not be able to own a weapon. I don’t want to hear anything about the 2nd Amendment or individual rights because my right and the rights of all other Americans should not be pushed to the wayside because a handful of deranged people think they need to own an arsenal and we never know when they will be pushed over the edge and feel a need to use said weapons.

    After all, as Trump has said, why have weapons if you aren’t free to use them?” But, don’t the rest of us have a right to move about freely in society without fear? Shouldn’t we be able to send our children to school? To go to festivals? To go to the doctor’s office? without fearing some maniac may go on a shooting rampage? Bill O’Reilly is dead wrong. This is not the price of freedom. This is costing our freedom.

    • Longstreet63

      I’m sure your rep will be thus inspired to introduce a bill making murder legal as long as it’s done with firearms. It will pass the House because it makes Liberals cry.

  • Nockular cavity

    Today is a day for prayer, mourning and love, but it must also be a day for action.

    Pfft! Pelosi’s just saying that because Congress is actually in a position to do something about the problem. Not fair!

  • puredog

    Actually, nut-twisting Paul Ryan is a pretty good way to start just about anything, like, say, those days of the week that end in “y.”

  • Courser_Resistance

    Friends, guys? I’m having a bad moment here. Every fucking day I wake up things are worse. Another horrifying mass shooting – On a scale that I don’t think people can *really* appreciate. At right around 600 casualties? You’re talking about 2-3 fucking AIRLINERS full of people! (no, not as many as 9/11 because of the massive casualties in Manhatten).

    Our government is a freakish Game of Thrones parody except, oddly enough, the resultant gore directly resulting from the twisted cruelty of our rich, corrupt ‘leaders’ appears in places far from the seat of power. Or perhaps it’s the same. They don’t want to ‘govern’ and never did. They want to rule, comfortably ensconced on private planes surrounded by their courtiers (lobbyists) who cater to their every whim. Think, an entire city of Littlefingers, serving our Russian-elected ‘Representatives’.

    Every fucking policy is specifically designed to either piss on Obama’s legacy, or to strike at everything Dems/Progressives/Minorites hold dear. They set things on fire just to watch us rant and cry and rush around like a colony of ants to protect the things and ones we love.

    Yet when I look out of my window, the street below looks the same. The world just keeps ticking by and I feel like I’m the only one who sees the danger. And here’s a secret that I’ve never mentioned. Since waking up on 11/9, I feel like my body is preparing for something…. probably bad. I have trouble eating and my body is transforming. I’ve lost a fair amount of weight and as the fat melts away, hard muscle emerges. Sure, I exercise, but… damn… Obviously, my body changes are mostly caused by menopause, but…

    My apartment manager is the only other person I’ve mentioned it to. He’s an older guy and his eyes got all round and spooked looking and I assured him that I have no sixth sense, no foresight, foreknowledge, nothing. I don’t understand it myself. But, at the same time, I listen to my body and am trying to give it what it needs to do whatever it’s trying to do.

    This is Circus Maximus on steroids and I don’t know how to live…. here, and in this way. I feel like I’m living in a Stephen King novel and those often don’t turn out well for a lot of people.

    I feel really fucking lost but no worries, no thoughts of harming myself in any way. Just really fucking… lost.

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      All I can say is that you are not alone.

    • Relativicus

      Don’t dwell on how much worse today is than yesterday was. Rather, think about how much worse tomorrow will be than today is. See? It’s just a matter of perspective. Feel better?

      • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

        Wow! Thank you for helping my butthole involuntarily tighten up so much, I think there might be a singularity forming down there!

        Silver lining: No more poopin’!

    • Résistance Land Shark Ω

      It is a quiet sense of foreboding. It is creeping around every rational person in the US. You are not alone.

      • bbayliss

        I mailed this to myself last Friday:

        Bayliss
        Sep 29 (4 days ago)
        to me
        Something terrible is going to happen.
        Friday, sept. 29th
        I want a record of my premonition.

        • Courser_Resistance

          Mebbe give me a heads-up next time? I don’t know how one prepares oneself for something like this, but I’m willing to give it a try.

    • Erala Contratista

      You put it very well. I also am experiencing this state of being and am sad/relieved that more people are speaking up about this malaise.
      Also find more connection and concern among folk, even strangers.
      Sigh.

      • Courser_Resistance

        I’ve started talking about it some, but honestly, it doesn’t feel safe a lot of the time.

    • Pilotshark

      ” At right around 600 casualties?”
      dam that is madding! wonder how many 600 casualties did we suffer in fire fights in Iraq or Afghanistan?
      my money is on none. which makes that even more tragic!

      • Courser_Resistance

        I read somewhere that it’s basically almost identical to a battle in Falluja.

        • Pilotshark

          wonder how many hours the battle was?
          600 causalities in 71 minutes in this ambush fire fight.

          sadly shdm

    • GoutMachine

      I feel you. And your part about looking out at the street rings a bell for me. The banality of it all. The banality of evil. It’d almost be better if the streets were on fire, because then maybe people would wake the fuck up.

      • Courser_Resistance

        YES, exactly! I didn’t know how to work banal into it but yes, absolutely. The Banality of Evil. It’s kind of like my hair is on fire and people just go, “Oh, cool hair!”

    • Mpeg

      I’m menopausing in the loss-of-appetite stretch, FYI, but gaining weight gradually the past year & a half. Much exercise & good eating-in-moderation habits gone to slough with the new administration and one unfolding horror after another. So while mid-life transition is not going away; here’s hoping the Administration is. And not dragging us down along with it, neither.
      I wish I had something cheering to add, but since i don’t, I’ll just ask “You know who ELSE ended her negative interrogatives with “neither”? ** ETA: well now I can’t find which which Ruth Gordon character speaks in double negatives; but she cracked me up helplessly and unabashedly.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anmAvGrgzgQ

      • Courser_Resistance

        Thanks! My parents took us kids to see that movie and it was wonderful in its own crazy way.

      • SDGeoff3

        Ruth Gordon!!

    • Sophia

      I know how you feel. I try to find at least 1 or 2 happy stories a day so I don’t feel so overwhelmed. There are good things happening out there as well as bad, it’s just that you never hear about them unfortunately, you have to go look for them.

    • mailman27

      Feeling a sense of unmoored wandering myself. Profound loss.

    • Sakonyachen

      If you’re as stressed as you sound, your testosterone levels may be through the roof. That may explain the muscles and fat loss despite insufficient diet. It happens to people in prison.

      The other part sounds like you need to unplug from reality a few more hours a day that normal. Turn off all your electronics and unplug your landline if you still have one. Read a fiction book that doesn’t involve anything that will get your mind drifting. Or sink into some hobby if you have one. I was there 12 or so years ago and my closest friend had gone to Canada. I quit my job without a replacement and my cats wouldn’t come near me. The neighbors wouldn’t make eye contact with me and I couldn’t figure out why. I ended up in trucking school and met a bunch of people who didn’t think(or know like me) the sky was falling and it helped a lot. Life is still fucked up but don’t let it control you. It won’t get any better that way. The sun is still here and we’re still breathing. Don’t let it turn you against yourself.

      • Courser_Resistance

        The testosterone thing makes a lot of sense. In women, loads of estrogen is stored in fat and I’ve burned through a bunch of my ‘reserves’ with the weight loss. I do feel a bit more ‘aggressive’ at times, too. I take a load of anti-anxietylytics (but no benzos, thank the goddess) already. Strange as it sounds I think I need to work out more. Just download a Marvel movie to my tablet and go take a long walk on a treadmill. It satisfies what my body wants to do and gives me an outlet for nervous energy. It’s harder to be anxious when I’m tired.

        • Zyxomma

          Hugs, Courser.

        • Sakonyachen

          I know that cardio will definitely reduce anxiety, I don’t know much about what it does for testosterone levels. As long as you don’t start heavy strength training and consuming more protein to compensate it should be beneficial. I’m not a doctor so I’m not reallly strong on the connection between stress and testosterone production as far as the chicken or the egg part.

          I don’t know your situation, but if the anxiety continues this way, a counselor helped me out a lot with anger recently. I sleep better now. I was starting to head down that path again, and it only took about 4 months to help me get back on track. No need for a full on shrink or a pill pusher. Counselors are generally more focused on fixing your habits and behavior, which can be the root cause of the feelings you described, they don’t try to open your head up and pour all the dirt on the table to sort through. They also don’t have the medicine chest so no benzos!

          • Courser_Resistance

            I don’t know how protein affects testosterone levels either, but my eating strategy is to focus on proteins and good fats since November. Because I can’t eat much, I eat small portions of protein. Usually tuna or peanut butter on whole grain bread. I have low sodium and couldn’t plaque an artery if I tried, so I don’t have to worry about avoiding/limiting food groups. But that protein-heavy diet probably is part of why I’m so… muscle-y.

            I had a lengthy consult with my Doc and the group prescribing psychiatrist early this year. This type of intractable, existential anxiety is difficult to treat and I’m maxed out on my meds already. I was feeling particularly shitty because I use cannabis to treat it and it works well, but I’m not really an out-and-proud stoner. After a couple of conversations the upshot was, ‘Well, if it’s working for you…’. which is probably about all my ‘mainstream’ healthcare team can say about it. I live in CO, so it’s readily available at my local, very friendly, dispensary.

            The psychiatrist suggested Acceptance and Commitment Therapy or ACT. It took me a couple of months before I checked it out and it really hit the nail right on the head. I was afraid it was some fad thing, but it’s really not. Simply watching a video explaining it helped tremendously. I followed up with Headspace, a meditation app my doc recommended and it’s really helped outside of some flare-ups (like this week). I highly recommend Headspace (quick, effective 10 minute guided meditations). It’s not free though and I let my subscription drop for now but since I’ve used it quite a bit, I can usually corral my mind and do a meditation on my own.

            Thank you so very much. Sometimes talking through this stuff with a friend is so helpful! Thanks again!

    • Impatient

      “Yet when I look out of my window, the street below looks the same. The world just keeps ticking by and I feel like I’m the only one who sees the danger.” I’ve felt exactly this. Like, what the hell are they all doing? What’s going on? Thanks for putting it into words. I’m just hard-headed enough to know that I’ll keep going on. And someday, hopefully not too long from now, we’ll get to dust off that old Doonesbury cartoon, about Nixon: “Guilty! Guilty! Guilty!” And another (?) Doonesbury of the clouds breaking and the sun shining again.

    • beautifully put. and terrifying.

      (life going on and colony of ants is so evocative of my life since november.)

      i veer between mocking and fighting and trying to find sleep when the ACA is not under threat and drinking cabernet and fighting and trying to sleep with cabernet.

      may you find the role you were meant to have. it sounds like you’re on your way.

      • Courser_Resistance

        I’m kind of afraid of whatever role I was meant to have. I’ve trained for a lot of shit over the years and most of those things I don’t wish on/for anyone.

        • i don’t know. maybe it’s right?

          i’m in my 40s and for the first time in my life i’ve understood why i was given a special needs brother that i had to fight for. cause it’s the only thing i’ve really had to fight for. and the last time i had that kind of a fight i was maybe 15.

          i don’t think anything is wasted.

  • Paperless Tiger

    “I could stand in the middle of Las Vegas and shoot 500 people and I wouldn’t lose any voters,” he said.

    • MOG253

      Sadly, FTW.

    • Rocket Pony Ron

      I’m a little scared to see if he gets an actual BUMP from this.

  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    I’m stuck in an anger loop. Can’t seem to break free. Usually I can find my way back, but this week seems to have trapped me here. I’m going to have to go hug my daughter for a bit. Stay strong. The axis of evil Republican’ts will be defeated!

    • bbayliss

      Thinking of you and your daughter, I’m in a downward spiral and imagining your humanity and the love you and your daughter share has made me feel a little better. Thanks

      • SDGeoff3

        It’s why we come here together.

      • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

        Your welcome. And thanks for the reply. It made ME feel better. And she’s the light of my life despite her insistence on being an angsty preteen at the moment.

        • bbayliss

          My little girl grew up. She’s an excellent adult, but I miss the preteen days.

          • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

            I hope I do to. Mostly I just want them to be over. The whipsawing emotions and drama are tiring. The upside? She still likes to snuggle with dad occasionally!

          • Rocket Pony Ron

            Mine as well. They got all the hugs when they were small and haven’t outgrown them even in their 20s.

          • Mystery_Poster

            mine, too.

        • Dinz6315

          Hang tough. They grow up to be wonderful women.
          Mine has two boys now, under two, one just born, one adopted out of foster care. Second Gen lights of our life!

  • george lastrapes

    Yesterday I joked, yes, joked about possible NRA-Russia collusion. I thought it was a cool LW fake news/parody idea. And I felt guilty about snarking after a tragedy of this magnitude. Then that little voice said, Google it.
    And there it was. An actual Thing. They aren’t even embarrassed about it.
    I suspect Dana Loesch has an interesting CV. She has a Russian counterpart, a Russian beauty, the public face of their toothless and phony ‘NRA’. Wonder if they went to the same school.

    • sweeper

      Link plz! Thx.

      • george lastrapes

        I just typed in ‘NRA Russia’. Pix and everything.

      • george lastrapes

        Think Progress has the best article.

    • Rocket Pony Ron

      I guess that’s the explanation for the numerous Kalashnikovs to be found in the country, killing Americans the way they were intended.

  • DesertedPictures

    I used to think that at some point in the future a new generation would look back on this year and be horrified.

    Now I fear the next generation might simply shrug: just 60 people died in a mass shooting? Just be glad you didn’t have our phasers.

  • Bitter Scribe

    I’m afraid to ask just what these GOP “mental health reforms” could possibly be, since they’re against requiring health insurers to pay for mental health care.

    • sweeper

      I think they’re transporting us to Puerto Rico.

      • MOG253

        As indentured servants to pay the FEMA $ back?

        • Rocket Pony Ron

          If they thought they could get away with it.

  • willi0000000

    i humbly suggest . . . rather than twisting lyin ryin’s nuts, we use them for a speed bag.

    • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

      I was thinking of them becoming part of a prop comedy Gallagher reboot, myself. Many sides, many sides.

  • cosmiccowgirl

    The mass shootings may not define us, but the fact that we do nothing to prevent them and everything to encourage them does.

  • MOG253

    Bunny nuts? Hmmm.

    • javadavis

      gym-bunny nuts

      • Rocket Pony Ron

        Much smaller than regular bunny nuts thanks to juicing.

  • Zach Williams

    Just got done sending an email to my rep, Bill Flores. Told him that supporting background checks and gun control might win him some points with his people, but if he didn’t, me and my fellow constituents would grab him by the testicles in 2018 and twist them until he screams

  • george lastrapes

    What’s next for the NRA? Maybe ricin bullets. “Make every shot a kill shot!”
    But surely they wouldn’t go that far.

    • Rocket Pony Ron

      Depends. What’s the markup on bullets like that?

  • whitroth

    Hey, I’ve got a *great* weapon against the NRA: introduce a bill that makes it a FEDERAL CRIME to carry firearms across state lines if they firearms aren’t registered with either the state or federal government.

    You like that? Introduce that in Congress, and watch the NRA folks approach stroke/heart attack/apoplexy trying to gets words out of their mouths….

  • Rasilom

    I have a really nice 3lb sledge hammer she could use on said nuts (evidence of said nuts not evident..) to help move him in the correct direction.

  • CafeenMan

    Yet after 9/11 Republicans gave terrorists the win with their every move by redefining as much as they could

  • Marc Berrenson

    Shit… I’m just about ready to give up on this country. The STUPID LEVEL is much higher than I’d originallyi thought. Maybe 2018 will make a difference. Maybe not.

  • Question…how can yoy twist something that may not exist? Cause people are saying…

  • my feet are normal

    how come the US was able to ban lawn darts but not guns

    • my feet are normal

      and Kinder Surprise, apparently.

    • SDGeoff3

      In my best Mr. Garrison voice, I’d say, “Because darts are bay-ud.”

    • Maybe

      Because there is no NLDA with enormous political power.

      • my feet are normal

        I think you underestimate the clout of the Newfoundland & Labrador Dental Association, but then many of their enemies do… until it’s too late.

        • Maybe

          Scary. But not as scary as the National Luggage Dealers Association. They use leather.

    • cleos_mom

      And don’t forget the games of tag, dodgeball and Red Rover. If your kids are going to get killed, they can get killed by a deranged shooter like everybody else.

  • Kooolest G

    I’m gonna make a lemonade type stand and set it up in front of the capitol in DC with a sign on it that says “Free Guns Here” “Free armor-piercing bullets for the mentally ill” “felons welcome (wink-wink)” and “we speak arabic” then just give any crazy person who walks by a loaded gun. as it is a person to person transfer there’s no law requiring a background check, so anybody can have one. then I’ll go set up my stand in front of the fancy private school where all the NRA lobbyists send their kids. (he looked 18, how was I supposed to know he was 10? what was I supposed to do check his ID? again it’s a person to person transfer so I don’t have to)

  • Celtic_Gnome

    You want guns? Fine. You can have all the single shot rifles and shotguns you want for hunting. If you can’t hit an animal with one shot, 30 more aren’t going to help.

    And home defense? Fine. You can have revolvers. Six shots. If you can’t defend your family and homestead with six rounds, whatever’s going to happen is going to happen anyway.

    • Zach Williams

      I am consistently an advocate for bow-hunting rather than using rifles for hunting because using a sniper rifle to disintegrate an elk from a mile away just doesn’t give the same thrill as creeping through the brush silently and catching your prey in the lung with a bolt.
      And the most fun thing about bow-hunting? When you kill an animal, it’s still got enough parts intact to throw a barbecue on for the family!
      As for home defense…well, quit being a fucking pussy and use a bat or a hockey stick like the rest of us. Or use wasp spray to run people out of your house. Those three things can defend a home without putting holes in the walls.

      • natoslug

        I’m hoping that standing in the hallway naked, whipping my body and my cock back and forth rapidly, will be enough to drive any intruder from my home. Or at least make them stop long enough to laugh and give me a chance to throw a chifferobe at them.

        • Zach Williams

          I’m telling ya, wasp spray is the best weapon against home invaders. A lot of wasp spray shoots up to twenty feet in a straight line and it burns like hell if you get it in your face or eyes.

          • natoslug

            My only home invaders over the past 49 years have been ants. They’re usually easily dealt with by some light cleaning and some vinegar.

          • Zach Williams

            I’ve been having ant problems too lately. My usual trick is to run them off by dumping a bucket of water on the mound outside or spraying Raid around the doorframe inside.

          • natoslug

            Boiling water, if you really want to piss them off. Or a gallon of gas and a match if you want to risk burning down the neighborhood . . .

          • cleos_mom

            If you have something in the oven, there’s also the Edith Bunker Cookie Sheet defense.

          • cleos_mom

            If circumstances dictate the conflict be up close & personal, you can’t get much more destructive than a quilter’s rotary cutter. A round razor blade in housing that enables it to roll like a wheel can remove an assortment of small body parts.

            For emergencies not quite so intimate, we’ll rely on The Husband’s shotgun. My reproduction Old West six-shooter (a real gun but not a real antique) hasn’t been fired in years and I’m not sure I even remember how to load it. Those two items plus a never-fired derringer my Dad got decades ago as a gag gift comprise our entire arsenal.

    • natoslug

      If you’re going to have a firearm for home defense, a revolver is a lousy choice, as is an assault rifle. What you want is a shotgun. That way, when the person who breaks into your house grabs it while you’re still fumbling for your glasses and underwear and shoots you with your own shotgun, it’ll most likely be fatal.

      • Maybe

        Wouldn’t that be true of any firearm?

        How about a nice, big, noisy dog instead.

        And I can understand the glasses, but am left a little puzzled by the underwear grab. Is there a dress code?

        • natoslug

          I was always told to put on clean underwear, in case I had an accident. Or something like that. Maybe I should have listened to my mother a little better.

          • Maybe

            I’ve never understood that logic.

            After a serious accident–or a shooting–I don’t think the underwear would still be clean.

          • natoslug

            Yes, but it would be fresh unclean, not old unclean.

          • Maybe

            Worth remembering as you lie there bleeding to death, I guess.

      • Heyzeus Ahchay

        If you’re going to have a firearm for hunting, I say you can’t shoot anything that isn’t at least as well armed as you.

  • Mystery_Poster

    Of course, Ryan’s “health insurance” bill would have gotten rid of any mental health mandates in insurance coverage.

    • Maybe

      And probably taken health insurance away from many of the victims who needed medical care.

  • Charon_69

    Watching the body cam footage my loving wife understood the gunfire would bring back memories of being under fire for 3 weeks straight; went to a very dark place; god love her for bringing me home

    • Charon_69

      Sorry I’ve been drinking but she’s the strongest most amazing beautiful person I’ve ever known

  • Heyzeus Ahchay

    Effing gutless weasels — all of them. Ryan, McConnell, Trump and the Trumpettes, the Bannonites. All of them. Too gutless to even SAY anything bad about gunhumpers who kill innocent people, much mess DO anything about gunhumpers who kill innocent people. Bastards all. “Here, wounded Americans: Have a free roll of paper towels that I buy by the trainload for my cheap-ass hotels. Love, your president, who has taxpayer-funded protection.” Fuck you.

  • Isn’t asking people not to politicize shootings itself a politicalization of mass shootings?

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