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You know, like, BEFORE inflation makes $15 an hour equal to today’s $7.25

A nice Big Box of nice time for you all this Monday: Target stores announced today they’ll be raising their minimum wage to $11 an hour starting in October, with a gradual increase in starting wages to $15/hour by 2020. Turns out that Target and Walmart have been in a bit of a wage war for a little while now:

Target quietly raised entry-level hourly wages to $10 last year, from $9 from the previous year, following initiatives by Wal-Mart and others to hike wages in a fiercely competitive marketplace. But Target’s hike to $15 per hour far exceeds not only the federal minimum of $7.25 per hour but the hourly base pay at Wal-Mart, the nation’s largest private employer, and plenty of its other retail peers whose minimum hourly pay now hovers around $10.

Speculation in retail world is that Target’s move may lead other big-box retailers to raise wages as well as the labor market tightens and as minimum-wage workers demand decent wages, even though Congress is currently controlled by folks who think a “livable wage” is terrible, because why should anyone actually be able to survive off having only one job?

The Associated Press notes that Target’s move is part of an overall strategy by Target to revamp its business for more effective competition against online sales, which will include remodeling stores, expanding its own online presence, as well as getting and keeping sales staff who can make the in-store shopping experience more helpy:

As shoppers get more mobile-savvy, retailers are seeking sales staff who are more skilled at customer service and in technology, such as using iPads to check out inventory. But with the unemployment rate near a 16-year low, the most desirable retail workers feel more confident in hopping from job to job.

So hey, here’s hoping that trend starts affecting other industries that depend on lower-wage workers as well! In response to Target’s announcement, an emailed statement from Minneapolis McDonald’s worker and Fight for $15 leader Steven Suffridge said:

When 200 New York City fast-food workers walked off the job five years ago demanding $15/hour and union rights, nobody gave them a shot. But by striking, marching, and speaking out, our movement spread to every corner of the country and convinced everyone from politicians to voters to big corporations that $15/hour is the absolute minimum people need to support their families. Because of the courage of cooks, cashiers and others in the Fight for $15, 22 million Americans have won raises, including 10 million of us who are on our way to $15/hour. With today’s decision by Target to pay workers at least $15/hour, our momentum is unstoppable. If Target can pay $15/hour, companies like McDonald’s can and should too. They should follow Target’s lead instead of paying workers so little they have to rely on public assistance to get by.

Target’s been having better sales reports following store renovations, and the new $11/hour wage will apply not only to the chain’s fulltime staff, but will also be paid to seasonal employees who hire on for the fall/holiday sales season.

Walmart has been raising its starting wages as well — though of course it’s as anti-labor as ever — from $9/hour to $10 in 2016, and the AP reports that the stores have actually seen some benefits from having slightly less desperate employees:

The Bentonville, Ark.-based retailer has seen lower turnover among workers and has gotten much better scores by customers for its service. Wal-Mart’s namesake U.S. division reported a 1.8% increase in revenue at stores opened at least a year during its fiscal second quarter, marking the 12th straight period of gains.

Gosh, any downside to that, at all?

Wal-Mart’s wage investments, however, did take a big bite out of profits.

Hmmm… don’t be looking for an end anytime soon to the annual Walmart holiday canned food drive for Walmart employees, then.

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  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    That reminds me–I need a few things. BBL…

  • armed_bears

    This officially more than makes up for that whole Black Eyed Peas thing.

    • (((Aron)))

      OH GOD, NOOOOOOOOOOO

  • goonemeritus

    I hope this won’t effect the price of that new soap dish I have been saving up for.

    • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

      I’m thinking the tax breaks for billionaires should tickle down to you.

      • goonemeritus

        That Reagan Trickle Down must be about due by now.

  • msanthropesmr

    I have an idea for a retailer where you just dump all the shit on the floor and let the customer sort it out. No overhead.

    • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

      Kohls?

      • Oblios_Cap

        Sounds like the last time I was in Wal-Mart, lo those many years ago.

    • Anna Rompage

      A feeding trough of capitalistic goods?

    • Raan

      And the complaint policy is “If you’re not completely satisfied, I hate you.”

      • Skeptical_thinker

        We’re not happy until you’re not happy.

    • wide_stance_hubby

      ContentMart

      I maybe like Stuff Depot better.

      • msanthropesmr

        The Dump was taken.

        • Arolpin

          The Dump? You mean the North Shoshone Department Store? My grandfather, who was a successful small town doctor and GI surgeon, was truly a child of the Depression. He went to the town dump about 3 times a week just to re-claim what other people threw out. He would come by in his truck and pick me up, because by the time he was in his 60s it was a lot of work to be climbing through the trash pits, so grandkids could do it for him.

          His workshop didn’t have a hammer drawer, it had an entire cabinet, with each drawer devoted to different sizes or styles of hammer. He had metal lathes, he had welders, he had engine hoists, he had compressors, he had 3 different table saws, and other than one compressor, I think he got everything from the town dump.

          He ended up buying several old warehouses just to have a place to store building materials he re-claimed. When he died my grandmother sold the warehouses with the stipulation that the buyer was responsible for cleaning it out. I suspect the value of the materials in the warehouse was greater than the warehouses themselves, but in her mind, not having to deal with it was payment enough. (They also donated his acreage to the Nature Conservancy, along with the 30+ cords of firewood, much of which he pulled out of the dump, that he had split and stacked there just in case he decided to build a house, heated solely by wood, and he needed a 10 year supply handy.)

    • clubseal

      Sounds like any neighborhood Ross I’ve been to.

      • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

        We call that TJ Maxx here.

        • clubseal

          To be fair, the state of lower-cost clothing stores has more to do with asshole customers being incredibly inconsiderate than company policy. Most of the time if I’m in a store and someone I’m with just sets something they don’t want on a random shelf, I’ll put it back myself or brow beat them into doing it.

    • Skeptical_thinker

      Building 19 libelz!!1!

      • Three Finger Salute

        Don’t, I miss Building #19 and Benny’s was actually one of my favorite stores. Ann & Hope, Bradlees, Cal-Dor and Zayre (Ames).

        I FUCKING HATE JEFF BOZOS WITH SO MANY GODDAMN VOTES

    • Cornelius Fussbudget

      Too late…already perfected by Walmart, and copied a billion times: Target. Costco, Toys R Us, etc etc etc

      • kareemachan

        Toys R Half the GNP is going down the tube….

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      The dumpster at my apartment building. The best deals are after the weekend. Lots of used mattresses.

      • Serai 1

        A homeless guy I talked with last summer told me his favorite places were the dumpsters behind weed dispensaries. Apparently a LOT of good weed gets thrown out in the form of scraps and bits left over from joint-rolling, and bags with small amounts in them that aren’t worth scraping together. He gave me a couple of grams of some fairly nice weed in exchange for sharing my vape pen with him the day before.

    • Marsupial99

      The old “Pic n Save” right off Sunset Blvd. used to be like that. It was the Wild Wild West in there!

      • Serai 1

        I liked Pic’n’Save! You could find some great stuff buried in there.

    • FlownΩver

      We have a classic old-timey downtown hardware store here in LFK (Ernst & Son, to be specific) where the motto is “We have it, if we can find it.” Emphasis on “We can find it.”

      Our local Target motto seems to be “We might have it, and we might help you find it, if you can find any of us.”

      At WalMart it seems to be “You’d better want what you can find. All the employees here are busy staffing three of the twenty’leven cash registers up front.”

  • Skeptical_thinker

    Wal-Mart to follow suit.

    NFW!!!11!!1!1

    Fucking speel checker.

  • Oblios_Cap

    Gee, it’s about time labor gets a little bigger piece of the pie. For all the talk about the dignity of work, America sure treats labor like shit.

  • msanthropesmr

    Joe Hill is alive!

    • TJ Barke

      Alive as you and me.

    • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

      Stephen King’s son? I really enjoyed “Heart-Shaped Box”.

      • kareemachan

        He writes some creepy stuff! And I mean that in a good way.

      • BearGHAZI

        “N0SFERA2” is a masterpiece. Highly recommend.

        • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

          “NOS4A2” (in case someone is looking it up!…I’m not normally a spelling natzi), and agreed. I also really enjoyed “The Fireman”. So…basically all of his novels except “Horns”.

          • BearGHAZI

            Damn stylized titles! Thanks, Natsi

  • jesuswasablack
  • Scooby

    The rich need more money to motivate them the poor need less money to motivate them.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      That’s just basic science, right there. It’s in the Bible.

    • wide_stance_hubby

      Are you an Austrian Economist?

      • Oblios_Cap

        Chicago School?

  • tza

    This doesn’t shock me too much. A lot of retail workers I know have rated Target as their absolute least favorite place to work, with even Wal-Mart doing better. A lot of people reported feeling disrespected, replaceable, and pushed way beyond what hey were being paid. Looks like Target caught on and is trying to change its image among workers.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      My mother-in-law worked there years ago and really loved it. But she is a weird social creature. I personally would suffer in any retail environment save Sephora, where I would dance around as if on a cloud.

      • Three Finger Salute

        I miss Walden’s Books. But that was before the goddamn Kindle shit.

      • MrTusks

        I worked in an Old Navy during a college summer. A lady asked me what she should get for her son. I asked, “First of all, what size is he?” Better than telling me, she produced said son for my inspection. He was at least 15. As it was the beginning of the summer, I did not tell the lady I was just here to fold t-shirts and was not her nearly adult son’s personal fucking shopper, but by the end of the summer I most certainly would have.

      • BearGHAZI

        That place smells terrible

    • Three Finger Salute

      Costco is #1. They already pay their workers $15/hr if not more and apparently have generous benefits too. Guess what country they’re most popular in.

      http://www.costcodiva.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/costco_price_list_aisle_Canada-1024×678.jpg

      • kareemachan

        I heart Canadia. I really do. We go there on vacation when we can. BUT Canadians come into WA state and act like demonic demons in Costco’s. I don’t get it. They are polite and quite wonderful in their own country, but get all stabby at American Costco’s.

        • LucindathePook

          Probably just trying to fit in. When in Rome…

        • Lascauxcaveman

          If they seem rude, it’s just that they’re in a hurry to drive back over the border before all the Costco-sized tubs of ice-cream they bought melts.

  • Uhhh that is literally what I make pushing paper in the pink collar ghetto. (I live in a state with a fairly low cost of living and I’m a bitter old childless spinster, so I do okay.) Since I buy about 90% of my clothes and housewares at Target, and I assume employees get a discount, if I quit this job in 3 years and get one at Target, I could clean up!

  • memzilla Ω

    If the minimum wage had kept pace with inflation and worker productivity, today it would be about $21/hour. The difference between what it is now and what it should be has gone directly into the pockets of the .01%. That’s the real wage theft.
    . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a82ba623e337aa9586f8c0464e1cea3ff11fb635d2dff31b71b03af56c949da3.jpg

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Can you give me the source for this? Googling it, but not finding it.

    • jesuswasablack

      If folks are making $21.00 an hour then how will the libtards keep them on welfare, wait……………………………..

      • Wild Cat

        Fuck yeah—memzilla is trying to destroy our Demoncrat plantations!

        • jesuswasablack

          Right demo-rats want higher minimum wages so they can keep poor people on food stamps, wait that doesn’t work either………….

          • Wild Cat

            “The poor get all the breaks.”

            Actual middle-class meme from the 1970s and 1980s, mid-Atlantic states.

          • jesuswasablack

            I always thought it was the righteous Christian conservatives what wanted to get all the poors off welfare, why aint they for a higher minimum wage? This economics shit don’t make any fucking sense!

          • Longstreet63

            Ah, well, you know, poverty is closer to God, kinda like how Mother Theresa felt about suffering. It would be a disservice to try and make there be less of it.

          • jesuswasablack

            Now I got it, thank god for the lord, every time something hard needs splainin the good lord always has an answer!

          • MrTusks

            “Huh! Where are my food stamps?”
            “Look under your $5 million investment fund, Dad.”

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        Fraud. We use fraud.

      • RocketManCaptainHowdy

        It’s all fiat money, anyway.

        • The Wanderer

          Better than that Yugo money they got overseas.

          • Longstreet63

            I’m holding out for Peugeot money, myself.

          • Oblios_Cap

            I’m partial to Vauxhall cash.

          • Longstreet63

            Pfft. Might as well look for Morris Pounds.

          • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

            I want Audinars.

          • Rags

            Infiniti dollars, pleeze!!!

          • Longstreet63

            Saab Kroner?

          • Arolpin

            Or Lada money, it’s almost the same as FIAT money, but a lot worse.

          • kareemachan

            Or Dauphine dollars.

    • Oblios_Cap

      Hmmm… one might be forgiven for thinking that more disposable income spread out amongst a large pool of individuals would stimulate demand and boost the economy. I must be wrong, though, since the US economy creates wealth for the monied classes through a series of speculative booms and busts and suppressed workers’ wages.

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      Wingnut logic: “stimulus checks” only work for tax refunds and not payroll checks.

  • Jonny On Maui
    • Oblios_Cap

      Sell, didn’t Trump start his Twatter war with the NFL on Saturday? There’s the historic event.

  • memzilla Ω

    If your business model relies on paying your people less than a living wage, YOU HAVE A SHITTY BUSINESS MODEL.
    . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d2428bd6ee1900713750a884f77685d8500dd1bd78aeda456f24ee55c1df988a.jpg

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      Who were the takers again?

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      FDR was a Commie!!!

      • TJ Barke

        The commie that saved capitalism from cannibalizing itself.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          for awhile…

          • TJ Barke

            Well yeah, it has to eat itself eventually.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            life finds a way…

      • Serai 1

        That is literally what the GOPpers think.

        • TJ Barke

          At some point, Birchers became mainstream…

  • bookish

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-back-daca-huge-margin-poll/story?id=50032985&cid=social_twitter_abcnp

    A vast 86 percent of Americans support a right to residency for undocumented immigrants who arrived in the United States as children, with support crossing the political spectrum. Two-thirds back a deal to enact such legislation in tandem with higher funding for border control.

    See PDF with full results here.

    Possibly in light of President Donald Trump’s decision to phase out the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, disapproval of his handling of immigration overall reaches 62 percent in this ABC News/Washington Post poll. Just 35 percent approve.

    Additional hurdles for Trump are his demand for a wall on the U.S. border with Mexico — again 62 percent oppose it — and substantial concerns about his immigration enforcement policies.

  • MasRioBravoHombre

    The only class warfare in this country occurs when wealthy assplugs pay their employees an unlivable wage.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Also too, people who have no class (like Trump) or who skipped class (like his supporters) waging war against people who do, and who didn’t.

  • Daniel

    But her emails!

    Ivanka conducted government business on her personal email account.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “In response to charges that we spent too much time on Hillary’s emails, we will pay no attention to any email stories involving the Trump administration. See, we learn from our mistakes, even the ones we don’t admit to.”
      — The Fucking Media

  • JMP

    I used to work at a Woolworth’s – which for the kids were like Target or Wal-Mart but smaller with less of a selection and no groceries – during my senior year of high school, the next summer and the summer after that. They not only paid us just a little bit over minimum wage, but also dropped the number of staff, to the point where there were notably less people on at a time the second summer I was there, and it ultimately hurt their profits – for one thing, because there was usually only one person on the floor, we ended up losing a lot to shoplifters because it was easy for thieves to get away with it. No wonder the whole company went under just a year or two later.

    • h4rr4r

      Actually they did not go under.
      Ever seen a Foot Locker? That’s woolworth’s.

      Also too they exist in Europe.

      • Arolpin

        And the Woolworth Building in Manhattan is being turned into expensive luxury condominiums, so it still exists if you’re aren’t one of the poor 99.99%, you know, the takers.

        • h4rr4r

          Foot locker does not appear to be a 1%er hangout.

          Also too, european woolworth’s have not changed much.

          • Arolpin

            Well, all of the athletes who advertise Foot Locker are 1%ers, so maybe it’s an aspirational thing.

    • kareemachan

      My first summer after high school I spent working at a nursing home.

      $1.35/hr.

    • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

      My local Wallyworld has 28 checkout lanes (not including the self-checkout stands).

      I have never ever ever seen more than 3 of them open at the same time, no matter how many people are lined up.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Plus, their lunch counters were really unpopular

    • MrTusks

      Don’t worry, Target also sucks. Whenever I’m reminded why Amazon is so successful.

      • Serai 1

        But Amazon sucks, as well.

  • georgiaburning

    So why are Austrian economics so unpopular in Austria?

    • RocketManCaptainHowdy

      Do you what else that was Austrian that was unpopular?

      • Oblios_Cap

        Hasenpfeffer?

      • Longstreet63

        The Austro-Hungarian Empire?

      • Magyar Has Had It Up To Here

        Linzer Tortes?

      • Three Finger Salute

        Kangaroos?

        • Yellerduck

          I’m so glad I read down. I figured I’d be late to that party!

      • kareemachan

        Spaetzle?

        • h4rr4r

          You go fuck yourself. Spaetzle are awesome. Preferably next to a massive Schweinshaxe.

      • Juan de Fuca

        Falco? Every modern Austrian band?

      • Creepoman

        Schwarzenegger on Apprentice?

      • georgiaburning

        Hmm. Either polyglot empires or some guy who was a lousy painter

      • Ill-Advised

        Ferdinand?

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Austrian Economics:Austria::American Cheese:America

      Sometimes it’s the worst products that get tagged with a country’s name.

      • georgiaburning

        Good point, like France and fried potato strips or Canadian whiskey

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      people are always into the hawt foreign economies- they love the novelty and the sexy accents…

  • Michael Smith

    Wingnut: Hey!! These aren’t REAL WORKERS!!! Like coal miners and steel workers and auto manufacturers!!! Those were REAL JOBS!! That why they got paid a living wage!! Not these jobs that a trained poodle could do!

    Human: Well there aren’t many of those “real jobs” around anymore, so the workforce has shifted into a new area.

    Wingnut: The reason those jobs are gone is UNIONS!!!!! They forced companies to pay MORE THAN THE WORKERS DESERVED!! So the companies had to move the jobs overseas to be competitive!!

    Human: But I thought the reason service industry workers shouldn’t complain about making no money was that they aren’t real jobs like in the old days where workers deserved to make a lot of money. Now you say the reason those jobs are gone is that they paid too much?

    Wingnut: Those steelworkers and coal miners were lazy!!! A monkey could have done their jobs!! They slept all day and got two months paid vacations!!!

    Human: Wait, so how is a working class person ever supposed to make a living wage?

    Wingnut: They shouldn’t.

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      Wingnut: Everyone knows the path to a prospering, flourishing,strong country is a weak, sickly, uneducated, impoverished citizenry! MAGA!

      • TJ Barke

        If by prospering, flourishing, strong country you mean robber barons.

        • Serai 1

          Yeah, I get so pissed off when I hear about the “great economy”. WHAT great economy? Great for the fucking RICH. Not great at all for the majority, who have to have more than one job just to pay the fucking RENT.

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      Wingnut: The reason those jobs are gone is UNIONS!!!!! They forced companies to pay MORE THAN THE WORKERS DESERVED!! So the companies had to move the jobs overseas to be competitive!!

      Funny thing – Germany still has a thriving manufacturing sector. It’s even unionized. People want to buy German manufactured products because they have a deserved reputation for quality, even though they usually are more expensive. The American manufacturing sector could have gone down this path, starting in the late 60’s/early 70’s. Instead, they stressed cutting costs (making cheap shit), designed obsolescence, moving production overseas and screwing their workers to pad the bottom line.

      I think I know which approach was the more successful.

      • Michael Smith

        Ah, designed obsolescence. Workers in the Homestead Works never thought their plant would shut down because it was the famous one, it was kind of US Steel’s flagship (at least in their eyes). What they didn’t know is that already in the early 60s US Steel had decided to get rid of many of the bigger mills, and so began a program called “capital starvation,” in which they pretty much just let mills like Homestead run until everything was so old and poorly maintained that fixing the place became a prohibitive expense. A lot of people think that was an oversight, a foolish accident due to a giant company’s refusal to recognize the need to update the older mills. But no, it was on purpose and it was a deliberate 25 year process that solved the problem of closing the mills while providing plausible deniability for the company’s culpability for the suffering that followed.

    • MrTusks

      There’s also a better than average chance said wingnut is on disability for diabeetus or something.

  • Juan de Fuca
    • Latverian Diplomat

      Any similarity between Mordor and Minnesota is purely coincidental.

      • Longstreet63

        Oh, that’s what they’d like us to think, isn’t it…

    • Courser_Resistance

      Believe it or not, Target has one of the most sophisticated forensic labs in the country. It started out as part of loss-prevention and got huge from there. At least that’s what I read in the WSJ in 2009 or so…

      • Juan de Fuca

        I’ll be damned. Never knew that but after Googling it, yup. They do indeed:

        It’s not uncommon for large retail stores to use high-tech video surveillance and forensics to catch shoplifters, but Minnesota-based Target Corp. takes the concept one step further, lending its high-end technology and professionals to law enforcement agencies free of charge, often on high-profile cases.

        The link has some good background on some of the high-profile cases they’ve helped solve.

        https://www.yourclassical.org/story/2011/10/21/target-forensics-lab

  • Three Finger Salute

    Well, darn. I once thought of working there and even asked my kid brother to put in the good word for me at the local store. Then I realized that I can’t do retail, because I’d be like Lucy at the chocolate factory (and they time you at the register, give you demerits if you take too long).

    Now I know I’ll never get hired, because I haven’t used a Macintosh in 25 years and will never be able to figure out iPads. Someone would ask me about the iPad and I’d be directing them to the aisle with the maxi pads. Even fucking Dunkin’ Donuts has some kind of pay scan thingy with the iPhone at the drive-up window. I guess that puts me SOL. Which is not a Kushner Tech systematizing abbreviation like… AOL.

    Is there such a thing as Hotmail Pay? Does Lycos have a credit card?

    • Longstreet63

      Look, I have to say that if the people I fix those registers for can use them, ANYONE can use them. And they’re not quite so dumb as to send you out on the floor without any training at all, and probably a minder, for awhile.
      Seriously, if you’ve survived long enough to remember Macintosh, you’ll find the iPad systems insultingly easy.

      • Three Finger Salute

        My brother has an iPhone. He tried to show me what to do with it. After a whole hour, I still couldn’t figure out how to turn on the screen, and gave up. If I did go try to work there, it’s too bad you can’t pick where you end up. I’d rather do backroom stock, because it’s away from the huddled masses. Little to no chance of public humiliation in front of ornery customers and management. Especially at the holidays. The holidays are literally stabby.

        • Longstreet63

          You no understand. Those ipads are not much except the point of sale system. My people never even exit the app, let alone disconnect from the WiFi signal as they’re supposed to. It’s hard not to be able to get into the system because that’s pretty much all they do. Employers like iPads because they’re easy to set up that way, and extremely difficult to break. All you’ll normally see is the screen of what would have been the cash register
          I work tech, and standard iphones are loaded with enough unneeded crap to confuse me.
          Can’t argue with the public humiliation aspect, of course. But back in the stock room, you’ll be using the exact same device.
          Fact is, today, anyone who is afraid of computers had better be financially successful, because poor people pretty much always have to use computers of some kind.

        • MrTusks

          It may be my millennial showing, but I have to believe a visual interface like an iPad would be loads easier than the goddamn archaic punch-card driven registers with broken keyboards covered in inscrutable abbreviations that I had to deal with that one time I worked in retail.

          • Serai 1

            You would be wrong. Very, very wrong. I’ve worked with computers since the days of MS-DOS, and I can’t figure out a fucking iPad or smartphone to save my life.

          • Longstreet63

            There is a mindset, of course, that needs to be achieved, best encapsulated by my old help desk advice: Read the screen. The screen is your friend.

          • Serai 1

            Nope. I find those screens very difficult to follow. There’s a huge amount of assumptions built into them. They’re counterintuitive, as anything is if you’re required to know what everything is before you can even begin.

      • Juan de Fuca

        Mrs. de Fuca recently got a part-time job working online sales for Vons. She was wanted to get back into the workforce now that Miss de Fuca is heading off to school but was worried about not ‘having a job’ during the past 20 years.

        I mentioned – “You’ve been a very busy homemaker for the past 19 years with every electronic device known to man-kind in every house we’ve ever lived in. That and you worked customer service and video journalism 20 years ago. You’ve got a resume.”

        Did one up and she got the job. I’m saving this post for her when she comes home this evening. We’ve always liked Target and it might be something worth keeping in mind. But Vons is pretty good too. It’s at least a union job.

        • Longstreet63

          Quite right. Virtually all jobs at lower levels are purely computer operation these days. Even garbage men. If the paperwork isn’t in the computer, the work wasn’t done.

        • Persistent Tennessee Rain

          If she’s happy with the on-line gig…Well, let’s just say I’ve worked retail in the past, but recently I took a part time job at Bed Bath & Beyond. I had a full time job as a team lead at a non-profit, but I wanted the extra money for Christmas and vacation spending money. I lasted two whole weeks. The first thing they did was treat me like shit. This dipshit manager of mine was an idiot. I know she was an idiot because she had someone (me) who was willing to come in, put in the work, not chat with my co-workers, not take smoke breaks and work my ass off to get the inventory on the floor so I could go home at night. She would never say hello to me or told me I was doing a good job, but would just start barking out orders.

          So, while these box stores may be paying a little more, management for the most part, sucks because they aren’t properly trained as managers and they have no idea how to treat people. It is a skill and not everyone is able to do it. I’d much rather be doing something from home with as little contact with other people as possible.

        • Serai 1

          What do you mean by online sales? Is she in a warehouse?

          • Juan de Fuca

            Sometimes but she mostly works in a store and all of the online orders that come in overnight are downloaded a to portable device (much like an iPad) that her team pulls from inventory and scans each item for supply to restock the item once it get’s below minimum level.

            Vons offers online delivery service and it’s apparently a huge thing, at least here it is. They have a pretty big team dedicated just for online sales.

          • Serai 1

            That’s good to know. There’s a Von’s a few blocks from here. I might ask them about it.

          • Juan de Fuca

            I never knew this type of job existed. Well, I kinda did because I was doing small grocery store deliveries on my bike back in the 70’s and have also kept pace with technology (because it’s my job and mostly because I remember using Netgrocer dot com many years ago in Australia) but yeah, Vons has a cool gig going for people comfortable with technology, and want an entry level union job.

      • Rags

        Current retail sales points, especially fast food, are designed so that even the functionally illiterate can operate them.

        • Longstreet63

          They have to be, frankly. Even Trump could operate one.

          That said, I’d like to interject my utter loathing for touchscreens, and my prediction that they will be humanity’s downfall if the rest of the things don’t get us first.

    • guest1331now

      There’s still hope for you — I am doing receiving and backstock inventory with a pencil on a clipboard at the local (still a little bit hippie) food coop — my department is so small that they haven’t bothered to switch us to the (actually easier) computerized scan-it-in system the packaged grocery dept. gets to use.

    • Courser_Resistance

      Basically, if you can use a self checkout kiosk, you can do a check out job. Just scan items. Most people use debit/credit cards, so you don’t even have to handle money most of the time.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    This just in: Online retailers refuse to pay electrons more. “They charge too much already.” said Jeff Bezos.

    • msanthropesmr

      BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      And they’re always so fucking negative!

      • BarbaraPBradbury

        Google is paying 97$ per hour,with weekly payouts.You can also avail this.
        On tuesday I got a brand new Land Rover Range Rover from having earned $11752 this last four weeks..with-out any doubt it’s the most-comfortable job I have ever done .. It sounds unbelievable but you wont forgive yourself if you don’t check it
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    • elviouslyqueer
    • TheGrandWazoo2

      ΩMG

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        Stolen for reuse.

    • arglebargle

      Shocking news.

      • Arolpin

        That’s so bad it hertz.

      • armed_bears

        Like getting hit upside the head with a Planck.

    • clubseal

      And you can never tell where they are and how fast they might be working.

    • msanthropesmr

      And they like working in groups of 2 or eight and tend to be unstable otherwise.

      • glasspusher

        *around nuclei only

      • Rags

        It’s a fermion thing. You wouldn’t understand.

        • SpideySenser

          Huh, and I thought it was a guy thing.

        • pstokk

          As long as the boson doesn’t find out.

    • Serai 1
  • mancityRed6

    target was a new thing for me in California way back in ’92. then they were in Joplin in ’96 and I was dating a girl that worked there. now I’m about a mile away from one and it’s a common stop for me.

    • Candy Matson Y-28209

      Wow, a trip to the mall in Joplin was always a big event while visiting my grandparents in Parsons.

      • mancityRed6

        and Nevada.

      • mancityRed6

        Joplin is way different now. I guess, it depends on the last time you were there,.

        • Candy Matson Y-28209

          It’s been about 15 years, so I can imagine

          • mancityRed6

            I went back last night, and two years ago. otherwise, it was March ’01 when I left

    • Beanz&Berryz

      A girl or a Target?

      • mancityRed6

        yes

        • Beanz&Berryz

          AOT,K

    • Arolpin

      I had never heard of them until I went to college, and I didn’t know it wasn’t pronounced TarZhay for another couple months. Me being a hick from Idaho I just assumed all those rich city kids knew something I didn’t, like Target was French. Then I realized they were being ironic, because even rich college kids generally need to save money, but wanted to sound classy.

      • mancityRed6

        it’s wally world with just a little more taste.

        • Arolpin

          I’m familiar with them now. I like Target generally. The one time I actually went into a WalMart was because I was driving back from a weekend somewhere, saw a Grand Opening sign for a brand new Target, and the wife suggested we stop and pick up some stuff. Pulled into the parking lot to realize that the Grand Opening was the FOLLOWING weekend, but since we were there, and WalMart was next door, we tried that. I think we lasted about 20 minutes before we had to leave.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Hicks pronounce it Tar-GAY because of the bathroom thing. Glad to find out that the stories of them going broke because of LGBT are, well, Faux.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    To contrast with Target, Walmart announces new ad campaign: Come for the disgruntled, but stay for the surly!

    • Oblios_Cap

      “Welcome to Wal-Mart. Now get your shit and go home.”

      • kareemachan

        And if you’re black, we’ll try to arrest you for shoplifting, even tho you didn’t.

        • glasspusher

          “Come feel the apathy!”

        • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

          Well, obviously if you’re blah, you were at least PLANNING on shoplifting, so “Minority Report” really was named right.

      • Courser_Resistance

        I had a horrifying experience at Walmart last week with their package pickup. An employee actually called me a liar to my face. Won’t be darkening their door again. If I have to go to Walmart there’s another one only a little further away that I actually like better (relatively), anyway.

        • Longstreet63

          You actually found someone staffing the pickup desk? Last time I tried in-store pickup, I had to wait twenty minutes for someone to even find the desk…

          • Courser_Resistance

            She was only there to scold me for not reading the sign that said it’d been moved to ‘a door next to the nail salon’. Where a snot-nosed male brat, scolded me for ‘destroying’ his workspace. When I denied it, he called me a liar. It was a truly charming experience.

        • Buzz1313

          Yeah, I can’t shop there either. One night I was in there and I overheard two employees discussing immigration. One of them was bitching about the Syrians coming here. I’m in Fort Wayne, Indiana. Not exactly the epicenter of Syrian resettlement. Casual racism aside, their customer service is deplorable ;)

    • Beanz&Berryz

      And don’t forget to drop off some food in our Employee Appreciation Barrel…

    • MrTusks

      My neighborhood is in a suburb of Philadelphia, but the parking lot of my local Walmart is in Somalia.

    • FlownΩver

      We underpay the help so much they need welfare, but we spent a little of what we saved on one motherfucker of an art museum in Arkansas.

      See, that museum and David Koch’s ballet theater in Lincoln Center are fine institutions but they’re what the .0001%ers think society needs instead of schools.

  • BadKitty904

    Boy, do we motherfucking ever…

  • Jgb979

    Credit where due:

    Was already on team target for being pro-trans bathrooms, gonna do more to do more shopping there.

    (Under no conception that a mega corp is my friend but worth voting for with democracy dollars)

    • Three Finger Salute

      Plz to debunk a Faux story for me. Did they really lose a billion dollars because of the transgender bathroom boycott?

      • Courser_Resistance

        No idea, but I seriously doubt it. Sure, a few folks stayed away but they were probably Walmart shoppers anyway.

      • DrBigHead

        Link below is to an April story, but it looks like they took a bit of a hit. Hard to believable total has been a billion dollars, though

        http://www.businessinsider.com/target-ceo-blindsided-by-boycott-2017-4

      • Serai 1

        Of course not. That’s complete bullshit. Wingnuts love to shriek about boycotts but they rarely ever actually do it. Target’s fine.

        • Three Finger Salute

          Good to know. The last thing I wanted was for capitalism to actually work in their favor. Sucks that “the left” is in strange bedfellows with corporate America, but this is Bizarro World and nothing really makes much sense anymore.

      • FlownΩver

        Faux story, therefore inherently bunk. Q.E. fucking D.

    • spangled

      please enjoy the insanity – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klHnMunSf_U

  • Juan de Fuca

    This is great news and another example how paying your employees stakeholders is not only sustainable, it’s actually a pretty good business model. Just ask Costco and In-N-Out.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    I’m still wondering what the fuck she’s doing in a government role anyway, but now this…
    https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/912397920862863361

    • Oblios_Cap

      First concubine?

      • Magyar Has Had It Up To Here

        ewwww

    • Wild Cat

      She’s still doing escort service?

      • kareemachan

        For daddy, anyway….

        • Wild Cat

          He doesn’t pay, so it’s legal.

    • Snark Tank Full of Resistance
      • Wild Cat

        Last Tango in Democracy?

        • Daniel

          Eww.

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Meh. IOKIYAЯ.

    • Buzz1313

      “Government Business” like sending Justin Trudeau mash notes??

  • h4rr4r

    This makes me feel better about shopping at target.

    • Courser_Resistance

      I love my local Target and it’s not even a SuperTarget. The employees are wonderful and recognize us regulars. I use their store pick-up service all the time.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Gee, I hope the Waltons are still rich.

    • laughingnome

      John Boy is now living under a freeway underpass

      • therblig

        he can barely afford to feed his mole.

        • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

          That’s just wrong.

          {{{giggle}}}

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      Ik, r? Why I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night if I thought the piles of cash they take their rest on were being ever so slightly diminished!

    • spangled

      if they take a 1% pay cut to give all of their employees a raise, how will they afford to feed kobe beef to their dogs?
      do you want their dogs to starve, YOU MONSTER?

    • guest1331now

      Not that it makes a yuuge difference, but the Walton family dumps a lot of charity money (like real hundreds of real millions) into the NW Arkansas region (and perhaps elsewhere) — supporters of the arts and education, in particular. Just announced a 120 million grant to the U of Arkansas to turn its Art Department into (probably) the Walton School of Art or some such. So not all that value extracted from workers w no health insurance goes to indulge their personal perversions — teh arts as public perversion?

  • glasspusher

    A rising big box raises all boats?

  • Gayer Than Thou

    Look, it’s not rocket science or brain surgery – if you want to be able to live on just one job, get a really good job. Like rocket science. Or brain surgery.

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      Better still, be born into a wealthy family. Bing! Bam! Boom! Problem solved.

      • Creepoman

        And then you don’t even have to do things that are hard, like rocket sciencing or brain surgerying.

      • Gayer Than Thou

        I mean, people act like these problems don’t have easy solutions!

    • TJ Barke

      Cuz there’s millions of those to go around.

    • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

      Or Preznit. Why the emoluments alone are worth MILLIONS!

      • Gayer Than Thou

        And the good thing about being president is you can literally be the biggest idiot in the nation and still get the job.

    • wait! what?

      https://youtu.be/fXdj6fzjxak

      …lazy rabbit killer…

  • stumpknocker

    trump did not celebrate his primary win in nevada in his own hotel because his hotel employees were protesting that he is paying his canadian employees more, canadians don’t allow douche bags to take advantage of their workers.

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    I worked for Target as a janitor (locked in at night) in 1972 for $1.65 an hour and they frisked us when the morning crew came in to open up.

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      So, Target didn’t learn from that garment factory fire in New York back in the last century why locking people in might not be a good idea?

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      Wow. When I worked slot drop at a casino we had to wear coveralls with all the pockets sewn shut and we were never allowed to handle money outside the presence of a security guard (or out of view of the eye(s) in the sky) but they never frisked us.

      • Longstreet63

        I open up cash machines all the time and the local employees just hand me the keys and walk away. I used to try and explain that they need to stay with me or take the money out, but I’ve stopped bothering. There’s cameras, at least, to watch the $1500 in each one.
        Of course, it was also for company, given the multiple reboots with a six minute wait cycle each.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      that would happen once, then I’d angrily quit

    • wait! what?

      I don’t think the laws have changed much since then. But, legally, they can’t frisk you. The police can, but an employer can’t. Unless that employer is the police, then they can.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      I didn’t know they had Targets in 1972.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      I worked stock room at Sephora and they searched our purses every night before we left. I simply stopped bringing one in, I found it so humiliating. Especially since I had one boss in particular who was definitely out to get me.

  • RMKH

    OT but important. Hey Wonketeers – just finished calling Murkowski’s office to urge her to vote no. Now I’m going to call Collins. Please everyone, let’s all get on the blower and put this rotting corpse in the ground.

    I now return you to the the regularly scheduled snark.

      • RMKH

        Thanks RM

      • doktorzoom

        Again, sorry to be a wet blanket, but senatorial staff generally ignore callers who aren’t constituents. Call your OWN senators!

        • You old wet blanket you.

          I’ve called my own senators every name in the book and it doesn’t get me anywhere. Richard Burr (Dick), and Thom Tillis likely don’t care about a liberal in North Carolina any more than they care for a liberal in North Dakota.

          Some, of many, arguments against Graham-Cassidy during the hearing today were how the bill will hurt the entire country, not just individual senator’s constituents. There was a bit of a test for senator’s to fess up to throwing people from other states under the bus.

          Consider my message an important PSA for those who live in the listed senator’s states.

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          You’re not a wet blanket, Dok. You’re more of a moist towelette.

    • doktorzoom

      Quick Activism Note: ONLY call your own Senators. Calls from out-of-staters will not be counted in their tallies. And when the phone lines are burning up, if you’re taking up the line, you’re stopping someone from the home state from getting through.

  • Rags

    MIld props to Target, but this just emphasizes that the current minimum wage is ludicrously TOO LOW.

    • TJ Barke

      Tell me about it.

  • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

    OT: Megyn Kelly looks very Aronofsky-ish in this shot from her Today debut.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d042e825b85dbabff68bbea5ed3c20a9d803ca118fc477206810020e66109aa2.jpg

    • laughingnome

      People still watch Today?

    • Mpeg

      What’s with her nose?

      • shastakoala

        I think she had it fixed or unfixed.

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        “A nose is a nose is a nose.”

      • Jonny On Maui

        Why? Is it still brown?

        • Daniel

          Look, Rudolf was white, that’s all there is to it.

    • Antonin Dvorak
    • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

      The good news is that I read a review that said the show was absolutely abominable. Hee hee, this won’t last long.

    • TheGrandWazoo2

      No cleavage. Fake news.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      nice pussy bow

    • Wild Cat

      “I whiten my teeth with Dead Ailes’ Splooge! Then I ensure my gums can flap with O’Reilly’s Killing Cream, followed by Bolling’s DicPic Mouthwash! Ask your local pharmacist or Klansman!”

    • MrTusks

      She looks like Fascist Leslie Knope.

    • SeeTrain65

      Lights on, no one home.

  • James Baskin

    Sadly there is no Target in my town. Sighs.

  • spangled

    This is great! Retail and customer service employs so many more Americans than coal and no one ever focuses on those workers. BUT
    they’re still going to be rabidly anti-union AND
    I would wager most of their employees are part-time (frequently 39 hrs/week) and CNBC doesn’t mention if they’ll get raises too.

    • tihond

      IIRC, retail is something like at least 10 percent of the workforce.

      • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

        And healthcare is one-sixth. Meanwhile coal and tax cuts for the 1% will MAGA/s.

  • Jonny On Maui
    • wait! what?

      No worries; Frankie still gets to keep the Pope Mobile.

      Massimo Faggioli, a professor at Villanova University’s Department of Theology and Religious Studies, said the signatories represent a “tiny, extreme fringe of the opposition to Francis” and do not include any cardinals or bishops with formal standing in the Catholic Church.
      “The Catholic Church that has more than 200 cardinals now and more than 5,000 bishops,” he said. “And they couldn’t find one.”

      • therblig

        if only he would fill up the tank before returning it, and clean out his mcdonald’s wrappers (always on friday, always filet-o-fish). vatican automotive staff are losing their patience.

    • Two words – Papal Infalibility – meaning what the pope says goes regardless of what you think or what previous popes said.

      • UncleTravelingMatt

        The pope is only infallible while speaking ex cathedra (from the chair of Peter) and then only on matters of faith and morals. Nonetheless, neither he nor any other mainstream Catholic is going to give a flying fuck what the representatives of the Society of St. Pious X have to say.

      • Daniel

        That’s not what it means.

    • Blackest Noobs

      i barely read the article, just saw something about marriage, and honestly religions, all of em, need to get off losing their collective shits about marriage.

      get over it, move on, and onto MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS.

      • guest1331now

        Respectfully, marriage and family are pretty important, in the scheme of things. Where I agree with you is that churches have no business trying to outlaw other people’s marriages or intimacy. Even that pretty uptight fella, apostle Paul, told his-day Christians that it was none of their business, and not to be judgey about, what non-Christians were doing.

    • therblig

      “Shit, do I have to make another one of those fucking movies now?” – Tom Hanks

      • Blackest Noobs

        there’s is another one in the works; Tom Hanks gotta Eat ( no, it’s the title)

        • therblig

          National Lampoon’s Vatican?

        • Blackest Noobs

          p.s. i love me some Hanks but have never ever watched any of those Papal mystery movies ( i dunno what you call them but whateves)

          like when the Hanks guest-hosted Wait Wait Don’t Tell Me was absolute joy!!!! if Mr. Sagel needs a break, im more than sure that Mr. Hanks would be a more than an adequate substitute.

          if you haven’t listen to that program, you really ought to do it…like right now.

          • JustDon’tSayKneel(OrNeil)

            Seconded. He was a fantastic host.
            And having read the Da Vinci Code, I knew to avoid the movie.

          • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

            I kinda liked the movie more than the book, but since the book was a complete piece of shit, that ain’t sayin’ much. And I can watch Ian McKellan read a phone book for an hour rapturously.

    • Oblios_Cap

      Right wing fringe members of the church. No real standing.

      • UncleTravelingMatt

        The fringe of the fringe.

      • SeeTrain65

        John Paul II/Benedict’s bagmen.

        The guys the Catholic League loves.

    • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

      It’s probably safe to say that an institution that helped cover up thousands of cases of child abuse should probably stay out of the morality game.

  • shastakoala

    The only time I go to Wal-Mart is to buy cheap sweats for my son who’s growing about a half a inch a month these days. That’s about how long their clothing lasts anyway.

  • Molon Labe

    More money sounds good right? But what if it means less jobs? Target began testing self checkout kiosks back in 2014….

    “Target plans to integrate the self-checkout registers in 39 stores nationwide over the next few months rolling out to 500 more stores each year, starting in 2015.”
    https://www.retailitinsights.com/doc/target-launching-new-improved-self-checkout-service-0001

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Oh goodness, won’t someone think of the jobs? Instead of a pay raise, why not cut their pay in half? Then twice as many people can have a shitty job that doesn’t pay enough to survive…

      • Three Finger Salute

        The problem becomes what to do about that other half who won’t have any jobs at all. Like I said nobody is talking about this but the Trekkie upstairs, because our guy is still rambling on and on and on about building a bridge to the 19th century.

      • Molon Labe

        Well, by that logic, why doesn’t Target just give its employees double their current wage?

        I agree about crappy jobs that don’t pay enough to survive. I would also like to see everyone’s standard of living improve. However, I have my doubts that these giant corporations are just getting all warm and fuzzy with the spirit of giving. The expense of higher wages is going to be balanced somewhere within the corporation. Higher prices? Fewer jobs? Lower profits?

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          In the case of Target, according to the article you linked to, the advantage was in better customer service by putting those employees on the floor to help people, rather than standing behind a cash register. The trick is to get the larger corporations out of the mindset of seeing only next quarter’s numbers and to recognize the benefits of thinking longer term- i.e. that better customer experience as a way of increasing profitability

    • Three Finger Salute

      Yeah, nobody is talking about this but those crazy Canucks with their adorkable PM whose IQ is higher than his fighting weight. It makes me feel self-stabby.

    • Courser_Resistance

      My Target has self-checkout, but they seem to always have the normal number of checkstands open, too. I love self-checkout for only a couple of things!

      • MrTusks

        Self-checkout also doesn’t ask me if I want to sign up for the fucking credit card.

      • Three Finger Salute

        I try not to use the automatic kiosks because I always feel like I’m being complicit in taking away someone’s job, but sometimes I feel I have to if buying embarrassing things that I can’t bring yourself to look the clerk in the eye as I’m buying them. Like feminine or elderly hygiene products, underwear, and weight-loss-related items.

        I bought some of those protein bars and shakes the other day at Wally World, but they weren’t Clif bars or something else “trendy”. I think it was Nutri-System brand, which isn’t carried anywhere else. I’ve lost a lot of weight since May, but I still don’t want people seeing me buy this stuff.

        Often times, people who have to use E.B.T. tend to go to the self-checkout too, so as not to get scrutinized or yelled at by the clerk or the other customers. Like anything electronic, it serves as a sanctuary to hide out if they’re doing things or belong to various groups which aren’t necessarily “bad,” but which nevertheless carry with them a sense of social stigma.

        E.B.T. is a scarlet letter (well, three letters) in the United States. I’ve seen some young mothers paying with what is obviously WIC or other assistance, and they look like they’re close to tears because they know people are judging them. The worst thing that can happen for them is the self-checkout is out of order. Then they have to do the walk of shame through the checkout aisle.

    • rosenbomb

      Increased wages do not necessarily correlate with more self check-out kiosks. Automation is a different issue than paying a living wage.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        in this case, the article specifically states that Target’s goal is to put those employees on the floor doing customer service, not fire them

    • Self checkout is good when you only have a couple items. When you got a cartload, you really need to the register…

      • SeeTrain65

        Said above, too. But not quite as well.

    • Shanzgood

      My local grocery store has self checkouts but hardly anyone seems to use them. And staff are always on hand because either the machines are constantly borked or the customers are so I don’t see the point.

      • Truthiness2U

        My local grocery store put them in, took all this time, but nobody used them, or they were so annoying, that they got rid of them, and put in another express lane, instead.

        And whenever I go to a store, it’s only the people buying one or two items, who use the. Everyone else is in line, ignoring them.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          self checkout is fine if you are blowing in and out of the store with a couple items- now put those employees on the floor to answer questions or help me find an item.

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        I get so frustrated by those things. Unless everything you are buying has a bar code, the stupid machine freaks out and has to call someone over to help anyway.

        • Shanzgood

          Right? So no jobs lost because technology is borked.

          I’ve suspect the same would happen at a fast food kiosk. You order a 10pc chicken nugget box but get…whatever it translates your order to because JFC even humans can’t get it right (not their fault).

      • SeeTrain65

        And if you’ve got a cart full of groceries, are you really going to scan and bag them yourself?

        Hope you have a spare five hours. ; )

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    next thing you’ll be telling me that Walmart is starting to enforce a dress code…

    • Panika MCD

      you’d best get those smiley face buttons over your nipples right now!

  • Viktor

    Despicable millionaire Steve Mnuchin said that the middle class will definitely get tax breaks , but held off on answering if the rich would also. Because guys like Steve know, trophy wives shopping sprees ain’t cheap.

    • wait! what?

      In Russia trophy wife come to you! In pieces. Some assembly required. It’s rather quite gross.

      • TJ Barke

        In Russia, trophy wife get disassembled when you disagree with Putin.

    • Blackest Noobs

      after what he said about the football player doing their kneeling thing, i wanted to knee his groin but then remembered he’s probably a dickless asshole.

      • Viktor

        He basically said, when those NFL players are on the clock, leave the protesting at home. Bet you Steve hasn’t even seen a football game. And if he has, it was from VIP seating outside of the arena in a safe space for the rich.

        • Blackest Noobs

          still want to kick his ball-less testicles regardless.
          he is SUCH a dickhead.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Mnuchin has further endangered the Commenting Rules for Radicals with his idiotic comments over the weekend.

    • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

      So, I watched “Wonder Woman” this weekend, and reveled in its feminism/grrrl power plot, and not half-bad acting, and felt good about it….until I saw during the credits that Mnunchkin was an executive producer on it. Then I wanted to shower again (a la Karen Silkwood).

      • TJ Barke

        The whole DCCU is basically run by Randroid assholes.

  • beingreleased

    This wouldn’t have happened if Target allowed open carry.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      or transgendered bathrooms…

    • chazmanr

      The police generally shoot men holding toy guns in Walmart’s

      • beingreleased

        “The police generally shoot men black kids holding toy guns in Walmart’s.”

        fify

  • Viktor

    But what about the generous McDonald’s employee discount. Discounted ground up chicken feet and cow butts are an entitlement , these spoiled workers should be grateful.

  • rosenbomb

    I’ve always liked Target.

    They are also pro-self expression– workers can dye their hair weird colors and have visible tattoos.

    • DrBigHead

      Except never go into one of their stores with a red polo shirt. People will assume you work there. I suppose if you were in the right mood you could have fun with that.

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        Like that fake Target account on Twitter that one time? That was awesome.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Not a fan, and those earlobe-puncture earrings make me nauseous to even look at, but I guess it’s your choice if you want to get lymphoma from injecting dye into your bloodstream for “creative expression” purposes. At least unlike smoking, you’re not infecting anybody else. So, have at it by all means. 😷

      https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2017/sep/12/tattoo-ink-contaminants-lymph-nodes

      https://globalnews.ca/news/3746925/tattoo-ink-safety-lymph-nodes/

      • rosenbomb

        Well, it’s a good thing people modify their bodies for their own pleasure, and not yours!

  • Panika MCD

    OT – who wants to help me pick poems for this submission?

  • Ms.MLG on Maui

    Yes, but will Target make certain every single cart in the store has at least one wheel that squeaks like mad, then randomly locks up as you’re pushing it? Because Walmart takes care of the important details like that.

    • shastakoala

      I always get the one that veers to the right.

      • That’s what children are for. You put them in the cart and have them sit on the side that balances out the inertia…

        • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

          That only works for a few years.

      • notaten

        Ha! I always get the one that veers to the left. So, both sides, or fair and balanced or something, I guess.

        • shastakoala

          And unafraid.

    • OutOfOrbit

      those used to just drive me right back to get a different one (that squeaks etc) until finally i just said “FUCK-IT!” and if i [can] push that mo-fudger, we’re a go & fuck’em, FUCK’EM ALL!

      • Ms.MLG on Maui

        Right?! I also love the ones that are like trying to push a car through sand.

        • OutOfOrbit

          i get really tough one, i get it front and pull that bitch behind me, “yo comin with me, bitch & FUCK YOU!”

    • clubseal

      I just roll with the squeaky wheel, generally with an attempt to set it to some sort of rhythm. I’m sure the other customers appreciate my wheel-squeak version of “Another One Bites the Dust.” Sure of it.

  • Jesus, you mean if you pay your workers more, they’ll be happier and stay around longer so they can provide customers with friendlier, more informed advice about purchases?

    That’s fucking crazy! Who would have thunk it?

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Some obscure Scotsman 241 years ago had that thought.

      • Red Richmond

        Robert the Bruce? /s

    • OutOfOrbit

      donut look at me

  • Panika MCD

    why does Target insist upon putting a target on its own back?

  • TJ Barke

    IF ONLY THERE WERE OTHER COUNTRIES WE COULD LOOK TO FOR SOLUTIONS TO THESE PROBLEMS!

    • Panika MCD

      why don’t we just create solutions for things that are not problems? seems to work for the culture war wing of the GOP.

      • TJ Barke

        Gotta stop those gays from causing hurricanes!

      • OrG

        Yeah, but it only works on their low-information moran base.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Fake news. America doesn’t take advice from other countries. That would mean admitting we’re —

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwkU8-d1gIk

      • wait! what?

        …gonna miss ‘Ralph-Mouth?’

  • Villago Delenda Est

    So, hookers and blow funds for CEOs are slightly smaller.

    Oh, the huge manatee!

    • TJ Barke

      Needs moar guillotines…

    • wait! what?

      Maybe the hookers are smaller because the pay by the pound.

  • wide_stance_hubby

    The Senate is ejecting disabled people again. And to think I only went to HuffPo to find out of I was having the right kind of orgasm for 2017. Ugh.

  • RMKH

    OT: Hi everyone – at the risk of being pestivorous, please scroll down to Rank Member’s reply to my post about a half hour ago. RM posted phone numbers for key Senators to kill the evil Health Care bill. Scroll down, give them a call. Let’s get this thing deaded.

    • doktorzoom

      Quick Activism Note: ONLY call your own Senators. Calls from out of staters will not be counted in their tallies. And when the phone lines are burning up, if you’re taking up the line, you’re stopping someone from the home state from gtting through.

      • Truthiness2U

        And if the thought of talking to a person is a bit much for you (hey, no judgement from this years long, social anxiety sufferer) then you can call after business hours and leave a message. Those get tallied too.

      • RMKH

        So Dok – how do you suggest those of us that have Senators already on the correct side of this (thanks Maria and Patty) make our voices heard?

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          I’ve been emailing. It might not count for much, but sometimes a sympathetic staffer reads your story.

        • doktorzoom

          Call ’em and urge them to use every procedural trick in the book to slow things down and run out the clock. Also, look into phone banking to call people in critical states.

          • Button

            Hey, very sorry for the OT in this thread and feel free to delete this comment once you’ve read it; I’d prefer to use a private message but Disqus doesn’t appear to have that functionality.

            The commenter who was going by “L E” in the previous thread at the time of your moderation has been going around progressive blogosphere Disqus, impersonating regulars of the Slacktivist comment section by changing his avatar and display name, apparently with the aim of poisoning the well against us by acting like a dick in related communities. You seem to have fallen for one of his tricks earlier where he changed his comments to make it seem like I was doing a childish “repeat what the last guy said” thing, rather than just pointing out that he was impersonating L E. I don’t know if moderators can see edit histories, but if not, please be aware of that tactic.

            Judging by his pattern it may be my turn soon: he seems to impersonate the last person he harrassed in another commenter’s garb. Please don’t think less of me if he comes in here wearing my name and avatar and starts shitting all over the place. Thanks.

          • doktorzoom

            Yeah, I noticed — after I admonished him in that month-old thread, he found a comment by me on another website and replied “Fuck your grandmother’s face.” So there’s some direct evidence of the stalking you mention. He’s banned.

          • doktorzoom

            Also, if you want to contact me or any other Wonkstaff directly, our email addresses are at the “contact” linky up top :)

          • Daniel

            What Button said below-

            there’s a long drawn out story of unmitigated arseholery from the poster going as LE here. He’s been impersonating regulars from Slacktivist (including me) on websites where we don’t hang out (because his mind is quicker than stew, and sharper than a cup) in order to revenge himself for the literally nothing that happened to provoke this.

          • doktorzoom

            Well, he just found a comment by me on a completely different site and said “Fuck your grandmother’s face,” so yeah, that’s still more stalking and a banhammer.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    I’m maybe just a hair to the right of some of my fellow liberals on this issue. There’s no question that the minimum wage is WAY overdue for revising upward. But I agree with some conservatives (I can’t believe I wrote that!) that $15 bucks an hour might be too much for some small businesses to handle. I’m not talking about Wal-Mart or Target; I mean startups and little mom-n-pops that are just getting by. I think that struggling companies should be able to apply for an exception.

    That’s all. Otherwise, I’m all for it!

    • pstokk

      No exceptions to a living wage.

      • Lance Thrustwell

        Um, ok.

      • Rick Hill

        Corporations are part of the ones behind new legislation that adds burdens to small businesses. Not to mention the possibility of offering HC

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        that’s not necessarily mutually exclusive to Lance’s position

        • pstokk

          If 15 is more than a living wage. Is it?

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            There are people here in AZ living on $10 per hour. 412 would certainly be better, but $15 all at once would likely be too big of a shock to the system

          • pstokk

            I guess I’m more interested in your definition of living wage.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            everyone likely has a different standard, but I’d say that being able to pay your bills, enjoy a couple modest bits of entertainment of some sort and still have money left over at the end of the pay period

          • pstokk

            Can a single mother with 2 kids do that on $10 in AZ?

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            many do (or at least survive, not necessarily with the extra money or non essential spending). I think it needs to go up to $12 ASAP and to $15 within a few years. I just know that had we voted on a $15 proposition in 2016 rather than the more modest $10, it would have failed miserably and that single mother would be currently making the federal minimum of $7.25.

          • pstokk

            I understand the arguments for gradualism. But I do think they’re a red herring. Everyone I’m at odds with in this thread (and it’s more than a little weird to be that) seems to quickly go to that, or to the impact on businesses. Or the political situation.
            I think your wording is telling. Surviving. A “survivable wage” should not even be a thing that’s discussed in a rich country. That’s surrendering the gains of 150 years of labor activism. It’s a sign of how far the right has twisted the very terms of the discussion imo.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            It’s also the reality of where we are as a country. Millions of working stiffs fight against and vote against things that would directly help them. I’d just rather see that single mom get the three bucks now and a couple bucks in a couple years than get nothing now and have everyone sour on the idea of even trying again in a couple years. I’d love to see things happen faster, I just don’t think it’s practical The difference between where we are and where we should be and could be is a gulf.

          • pstokk

            For the record, I haven’t once argued against gradualism, nor am I necessarily advocating some kind of Bernie-ized litmus test on a national-level minimum wage. I’m noting that the terms of the discussion are completely screwed up, and also noting the very strange fact that this particular cross-section of a gang of pinko bleeding heart liberals like the Wonketariat doesn’t seem to appreciate that, moving any discussion of the minimum wage immediately to the issue of gradualism or the defense of Mom and Pop stores or god knows what displacement technique that is uncomfortably reminiscent of the range of rhetoric that the right typically deploys. They, the right, have shoved the Overton window all the way round to the back of the house. Why are we letting them do that?
            If we could not do that for a minute – are we at all near agreement on some long-standing principles of the labor movement? That wage workers should all be in the middle class. That there is no excuse, ever, for having a large poor class in a rich society. That if any company’s viability or dreams of growth or plans to accumulate capital or whatever, whether they’re Walmart or Mom-and-Pop(-and-poor-people-employees), Inc., is built on exploiting poor people, then that business is not an acceptable one and shouldn’t be allowed to build it’s dream on the backs of people living in poverty. Nor should it be invisibly subsidized by welfare to do that.
            FDR said it better – https://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/07/f-d-r-makes-the-case-for-the-minimum-wage/?mcubz=1&_r=0
            We knew these things 80 years ago.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Wait a minute, where did I ever say I disagreed with those things? For that matter, when has anyone here? I merely said we’ll be more successful using the boiling frog technique and getting those wages up a chunk at a time, not that I’m in favor of the working poor. I get the frustration, we shouldn’t have to settle for doing it that way. Then again, we shouldn’t have to settle for being the last civilized country with some sort of universal healthcare. We shouldn’t have to still deal with racism or sexism or climate change denial either. But we do, because that is the reality of life in this country. If you can show me a viable, practical and realistic plan to double the federal MW in one fell swoop, I’m all ears. But so far I haven’t seen one. Appealing to the better angels of a nation that is stupid, lazy, uninformed and brainwashed with lies about labor, as well as lies about their imminent upward mobility and the caricature of the American Dream™ is a fool’s errand. Until you break the fever dream and overcome the lies and lack of knowledge, you won’t make progress on any of those things. The gains the labor movement made last time around were hard fought and they didn’t happen overnight- they won’t this time either.

            Want to get those wages to $15? Fight hard to successfully get them to $10 and get people used to the idea. Fight to get them to $12 and show people that the sky is not falling nor is the world ending. Then go for $15, along with making sure that the middle class understands and is fully onboard with the notion that a rising tide lifts all boats. Right now, the focus has been so narrowly on that MW, especially re: fast food workers, that the issue is easy to demagogue. Just scare middle class voters that their middle class wages are in danger of being overtaken by a burger flipper and that MW vote will never happen. You have to bring the middle class along, so they see the benefits to them too and that means broadening the pitch. It will also take time to get them used to the ideas, so yes, sometimes gradualism can actually get things done faster than a full frontal assault that fails.

          • pstokk

            Again, I haven’t argued against gradualism, anywhere. I accept your and others’ tactical insights.
            I have, admittedly, implied that something is not quite right when we always and immediately start talking about gradualism, and tactics, as soon as the MW comes up. And something is even more wrong with a lot of the other kinds of things said about the MW, here and other places, for example the, to my mind, exaggerated concern for small business owners, who apparently can’t survive in many cases without being able to pay employees less than a living wage.
            I’m also arguing that if we always frame the discussion as the, let’s say, $25/hr-with-benefits middle class grudgingly accepting a slight bettering of the lives of poor people (and we’re talking about a large segment of the workforce permanently consigned to being working poor, with your “surviving wage” income levels), then I think we’ve unnecessarily ceded ground to right-wing propaganda. We are not able to ask the question that was historically asked – “wait a minute, why do we have poor people at all, when this society is rich?”
            And I would also claim that that question was answered, a long time ago – “No actually there is no need to have that at all, it’s something we have decided to have, or allowed to happen”. That answer is still the basis of there being, loosely speaking, no working poor (with “survival wages”) in various capitalist countries with social-democratic traditions. The principle, the question, the answer, the proof of concept in numerous countries, these need to be front and center in MW discussions, is what I’m arguing. Alongside whatever tactical accommodations advocates land on. I’m missing that “front and center” in a lot of discussions in the US, and, weirdly, in this thread, with the points advanced by quite a few wonkers.

    • Rick Hill

      I can’t support higher wages until I have someone who has been trained. Especially because most people just don’t like actual work where you use your hands and your head. Which, coinkidinkly, my own new hire from the high school jobs program has vanished, right when I have work that requires two people to do.

    • notaten

      I sort of agree, because ferinstance, in my area, all wages are low and no one has $$ to spend big at the mom&pops. So maybe if the big boxes, like Wal Mart, home Depot etc. we’re forced to raise the pay, then those employees would have more to spend at the smaller businesses and then they could also raise wages. Maybe a phased in wage hike would be better.

      • Rick Hill

        Yeah there are a lot of unfair practices and pretty much subsidized opportunities for corporations to enjoy and keep the competition suppressed

        • notaten

          Feature not a bug.

      • pstokk

        My opposition to this way of thinking hinges on the definition of “living wage”, so would possibly put us out in the weeds of semantics. But clearly if someone is not paying a living wage but someone is anyway still alive the employer is receiving a subsidy. Make the subsidies explicit in that case.

    • Juan de Fuca

      I agree with that if we’re talking about making it an instant thing (because it would hurt a lot of small businesses) but most of the states (like mine own) are saying that $15 is going to be the minimum wage by 2020, 2025 or whatever. It’s an incremental change.

      It’s been a long time since I last took an econ class but it seems as though if done slowly, it’ll help small businesses to be in a much better place 5 years from now to afford paying $15 an hour for their employees?

      • Lance Thrustwell

        Yeah, a phased-in approach might make the difference. I’m not sure, to be honest. My economic instincts start to fail when I try to consider that big picture.

        • Juan de Fuca

          I agree. There’s a reason why I didn’t major in economics.

          One thing I do find funny is that for all of the hate (some of it justified) on big box retailers, it’s some of the big box stores who are leading the higher wage fight. I’ve personally always liked the concept of big box stores (when done ethically) if only because I still remember what it was like growing in small town/rural America and one of the wealthiest guys in town was the guy who owned the local hardware store and charged 15 bucks for a hammer in the 1980’s.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        The advantage to doing a phased approach is that the benefits of increased consumer spending start to kick in before the next bite at payroll, partially offsetting that bite.

        • Juan de Fuca

          That’s what I was thinking but you said it better.

      • Truthiness2U

        Lower and middle class people who have more disposable income, spend it. It’s the REAL ‘trickle-down.’ Even that fuck Henry Ford knew that.

        So a gradual increase to wages will allow that. Faster increases need to happen in places that have higher COL, but then those local areas can vote to raise the wages there. I mean, if they’re allowed to, and won’t be overridden by their Meth Labs of Democracy overlords.

        • Juan de Fuca

          Yup. Good points. Pay your people a high enough wage so they can afford to buy the product they’re building sounds like a pretty decent business model. Even dipshit Henry Ford understood that.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      That’s why I had a problem with Bernie’s demand for a 415 MW. It sounds nice, but given the big differences in local economies and associated cost of living, it’s just not doable. Here in AZ we’re a low wage state. It was a dogfight to get our state MW to $10. $12 would have been a Herculean effort and $15 would have been impossible. It’s not that I wouldn’t like to see it, but many local businesses simply can’t afford it- at least not all at once. If we gradually raise it at a faster rate than inflation, the increased spending will help ease the pain to business owners, as well as not having to do it in one shot.

    • Truthiness2U

      While a $15 per hour is hard to live on in places like Seattle and San Fran.

      I thought Hillary’s plan was starting at $12 per hour nationally and looking to move it up Federally gradually from there after making sure it wasn’t having adverse effects, was a fine one. Local areas could move it higher faster, like they did first in Sea-Tac, then in Seattle as a whole, then in Washington, NYC, then New York state.

      But have it at least at $12 per hour nationally, so dick Red states can’t fuck over the Blue cities that want to vote to raise to at least that level.

    • jesterpunk

      There is no way in hell you can just double the minimum wage over night, the only way to do is is if you do it gradually. Some states are saying by 2020 or 2026 which is enough time to raise it by about $1 each year to get it that high.That way it won’t hurt anyone and will give companies time to adjust to the new higher wages.

      • pstokk

        You know, companies and the people who own them have number of ways to adjust, immediately. Like lower profit margins, lower salaries for higher paid staff. Funny how those things aren’t discussed.

        • jesterpunk

          If you go right to $15 from the current $7.25 everyone making between $7.25 and $15 also has to get a raise proportional to what they made from the old minimum wage. You also have to give people making over $15 a raise to make up the pay difference. Thats a lot of raises all at once and a lot of money now going to employees.

          • pstokk

            Who in turn spend it.
            Also a certain compression of the wage scale is implicit in raising the floor. That’s not a bad thing unless you think a large permanent barely surviving working more than 40 hrs a week underclass is something that a rich country should have. I don’t think it’s good or even remotely necessary. The gradual introduction discussion is a red herring to my mind.

  • Pilotshark

    you know another good thing higher wages do? that it creates more sales.

    • Saxo the Grammarian

      And Target employees get an employee discount, so more sales at the company store. Win-win.

  • Rick Hill

    Speaking of wages and jerbs…are there any Wonks who have a younger family member(You’re all olds, don’t lie) they want to offer up for indentured servitude or light slavery?

    • notaten

      I would offer my great nephew (grand? whatever), but I have been watching him try to put together a greenhouse kit someone gave him for over 2 hours now, and so far he has assembled one of the front legs and one roof support piece. Only 35 or so more pieces and he’ll be there. Very entertaining for me, probably wouldn’t be so for an employer.

      • Rick Hill

        At this point, I’ll take what I can get

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          Is a 2.5 year-old acceptable?

    • H0mer0

      of course not! (I mean I’m not offering them up for indentured servitude or light slavery.)

    • I have a 15 year old and a 12 year old.
      Where do I drop them off? And how much am I paying you?

    • m3bosha

      I have a 16 yr old. If you can pay his car insurance and keep him in cereal & milk, he’ll lift whatever you need. He’s also great with cats.

    • phoenix00

      I volunteer for anime conventions. Does that count?

  • The Wanderer

    Nertz. 88th minute and Arsenal are leading West Brom 2-0.

    • TJ Barke

      Go sports!

    • Major_Major_Major

      Gunners gonna gun.

    • SeeTrain65

      Feetsball with actual feets!

  • SweetDeeKat

    This has been a pretty appalling Monday. Dok, this story came right in time.
    Still stopping at Sonic for a thousand-calorie milkshake.

  • Edith Prickly
    • wait! what?

      …and then the magnifying glass melting murders began…

      • BouncyFlyer

        Or send them to Stuart Ashen’s friend who’s into “chemicals, fires, and chemical fires” (the blind bag Ponies meeting their doom was disturbing but funny).

    • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

      Yo! Ya got a problem with Applejack?? Huh?? HUH????

      • Edith Prickly

        The offspring got them for free at a local book festival. He didn’t get to pick.

  • AnniNoone

    Wooow. I worked for Target for 7 years (many years ago, now) and I am fucking floored. They were not so inhumane that I resent them, but their pervasive value of saving money on payroll affected my whole life (I was a cashier supervisor and we were expected to always have as few cashiers as we could get by with; everybody on the floor had too much to do not counting customer service; etc.) They always started a little above minimum wage, but even $11 (to $15!) when they could pay $9 is astonishing.

    • Kerlyssa

      turns out the whole ‘you can be replaced by a robot’ gets trumped by ‘that robot can get replaced by a website’. now they’re all about the human touch, lol

  • Manhattan123

    Trump is the same guy who took credit for some Intel expansion deal that was made three years ago under Obama, you really think he won’t somehow try to claim credit for this?

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Oh, god, he totally will.

  • Bitter Scribe

    I’m old enough to remember when most companies considered their employees team members, instead of necessary nuisances to be paid as little as possible.

    • Grumpy Twat

      “Human Resources” says it all.

    • javadavis

      I remember this, as well, although just as a far-off tale of the promised land. During those years I was approaching a crappy wage-slave job with totally duplicitous business owners. The story you got from them depended on who you were. Ditto the wage rate (experience, skills and ability had little impact)

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    I’m really hoping I can hold out against having to get a retail job to make ends meet.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      FWIW, I make my living in retail. I’ve had ghastly retail jobs, and ones I really like. Right now, I love my job. There’s a wide spectrum in retail. Don’t despair.

      • HazooToo

        My best retail job was at Walgreens, and the entire reason for that was my attempt to emulate the “Ideal Employee” in the training videos. It turns out that sometimes, if you go bonkers at it, it can make a boring soulsucking job into something kind of fun!

        • WomanInThePersistence

          I love that you did that! And I bet you drove your co-workers to the point of madness. Depending on what they were like, that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

          Seriously, “retail” is such a broad term. Yes, working in the toy department at a department store during the holiday season could be hell. Not that I’m bitter. But working in a retail situation that parlays your own expertise into helping people who don’t know the nuances can be very rewarding. Honestly.

          • HazooToo

            I was one of three people working the cosmetics section, and we had to basically chase customers to try and get them to check out with us if they had anything from the entire beauty or hair care section. Take note, ppl! Check out with cosmetics at Walgreens, if they’re around, because otherwise corporate will ask them to hound you and you’ll think they’re accusing you of shoplifting and feelings will get hurt all around. Also, they really do get picked on at the register if they don’t try to sell you the thing, and it’s often a good deal, seriously.

        • redblack

          shit. i made it all the way to the cash office working at tj maxx. started PT in receiving as a smart-assed college dropout punk rock dirtball.

          ended up wearing ties.

          it pays to be honest… even in retail.

          • House0fTheBlueLights

            lololol

      • Mike Steele

        Good on you. Lady MS was raised by an abandoned teen Mom who first did the BellTel overnight operator gig, then spent years in retail. Hey…it was a living! At her wake, displayed a classic photo where Mom was an elf during store’s Xmas promo. While she managed men’s dept., she served as surrogate mentor to p/t local boys whom she encouraged to seek greener pastures. Eventually, she retired as a Congressional liaison at the Social Security Admin. During her retail years, she learned style & thrift.
        Thus, nearly 50 years later, I have a stash of designer clothing she bought with employee discount and evermore cherished. You go, WITP:)

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        I have a memoir in my head called 1001 Reasons Why I Got Out of Retail Sales. Used to be a book store manager. I am not well-suited to the profession. I have this bizarre idea that customers should respect my dignity.

    • Lily412

      What do you think is worse? Retail or food service?

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        Hah- thank you. Definitely food service. I lasted years in retail. I lasted an hour in food service. I walked out realizing that if all that was standing between my children and starvation was a job in food service, they would starve.

  • Saxo the Grammarian

    This is terrific. I was eating lunch just after doing some shopping at Target when I read the news. Now I have to go back and get some “splurge” items.

  • HazooToo

    brb, filling out an application

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Seriously, I mean this, if you find the right job, it will be okay. And good luck!

  • redblack

    all right, dok. been withholding contributions to wonkette because of the recent purity-pony fight. but between this nice-time article and your love for my homey, kurt vonnegut, here comes a shot of ameros.

    buy yourself some quality beers.

    • We can argue with each other all we want, like family does, but at the end of the day, we’re in the same exact fight.
      Salute, comrade!

      • redblack

        cheers, jen.

        edit: just so you know, it’s not that i have a dog in the purity fight. i don’t.

        it’s that the fight is happening at all.

        we gotta get up and organize. (riffing on pigeonhed.)

  • JohnBull

    Here’s the idiotic question we hear from Talk Radio nation: Why should a guy flipping burgers earn more than an EMT?
    Correct question: why does the EMT earn so fucking little??

    • SO FUCKING MUCH THIS.

    • CafeenMan

      And why do talk-radio assholes earn so MUCH???

    • Kitty Smith

      That’s basically what I said when I heard that question. Instead of asking why a fast food worker (which is much more than just “flipping burgers” and carries its own set of risks) is making as much as an EMT, ask why someone with highly specialized skills and knowledge that are needed in order to SAVE YOUR LIFE and works regular and frequent 12+ hour shifts is getting paid ONLY $15/hr.

  • Weird. You tellin me that if you make you stores happy for your customers, you…get more customers? And if you treat your employees like employees and not liabilities, they ….stay longer? HUH Next you will tell me that if you pay them more, they might actually be able to afford your shit!

  • Zyxomma

    When Loomstate (an ethical and sustainable clothing company; their organic denim jeans are the best I’ve ever had) did a small collection for Target, I actually went to a Target store to check it out, and bought a little black dress made of organic cotton and silk. I wore it yesterday. OTOH, I’ve never bought anything from Walmart.

  • The Librarian

    I would be happy for Wal-Mart employees if they received a $15 wage, but I will never give Mr. Walton’s gazillionaire, tight ass relatives the pleasure of me stepping in their shitty stores.

  • phoenix00

    First letting little girls get assaulted by transgenders in the bathrooms, now violating the Free Enterprise ™ spirit of Saint Ronnie Raygun. Target’s gonna get all the RWNJ haters!!

  • BarbaraPBradbury

    Google is paying 97$ per hour,with weekly payouts.You can also avail this.
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