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The Trump administration has decided that things in Sudan are just hunky-dory now, so it’s going to wind down a program allowing Sudanese nationals to stay in the U.S. without fear of deportation. While there are only a bit over a thousand Sudanese refugees currently in the U.S., the determination is being seen by many as a portent that immigration protections may end for much larger populations of people fleeing war and other dangers in their home countries.

The Department of Homeland Security announced Monday afternoon that it would be ending Temporary Protected Status for Sudan after a 12-month sunset period. It opted to extend, however, Temporary Protected Status for South Sudan, which gained its independence in 2011, through May 2019.

That “12-month sunset” means that people from Sudan will have until November 2, 2018, to either leave the country or find some way to legally stay here, or they’ll risk deportation to Sudan, which is still not exactly a nice place to live. Human Rights Watch seems not to think Sudan is a good place to which to send people away:

Sudan’s human rights record remains abysmal in 2016, with continuing attacks on civilians by government forces in Darfur, Southern Kordofan, and Blue Nile states; repression of civil society groups and independent media; and widespread arbitrary detentions of activists, students, and protesters.

But apparently it’s now good enough to give people the boot and wish them good luck. We’d give them a Bible to keep them safe, but the ACLU won’t let us.

Currently, over 400,000 from 13 nations have been granted Temporary Protected Status, which grants immigrants the right to remain and work in the United States when their home countries have been placed on a list of places that may be too dangerous to return to because of wars, epidemics, or national disasters. The expected end of TPS designation for Haiti, granted after the 2010 earthquake (and subsequent cholera epidemic), is the reason many Haitians have been fleeing the U.S. for Canada and seeking refugee status there.

It’s worth noting that, because they have temporary protected status, these folks are not “illegal immigrants,” no matter what your crazy rightwing uncle emails you. Some of the Sudanese who’ll have to get the hell out have been in the U.S. with that protected legal status for 20 years, as CNN explains:

TPS is not a blanket protection — immigrants have to have been living in the US continuously since a country was “designated” for TPS in order to qualify.

For example, Sudan was first designated in 1997 and was re-designated in 1999, 2004 and 2013, meaning people had opportunities to apply if they’ve been living in the US since any of those dates. South Sudan’s TPS was established in 2011 and had re-designations in 2014 and 2016.

Both countries were designated for TPS based on “ongoing armed conflict and extraordinary and temporary conditions.”

Trump’s administration seems determined to decide that plenty of countries that few Trumpers would consider fit to live in themselves are plenty fit to send people back to, ASAP:

In the next six months, roughly 400,000 immigrants’ status will be up for consideration, including Central American countries like El Salvador that have been a focus of the President’s ire over illegal immigration and gang activity.

But that’s fine, because we have our own problems to deal with, especially all these damn refugees taking all our tax money and not giving anything back. Or at least that’s the official position, since the Trump administration killed a Department of Health and Human Services study earlier this year which came to the unwelcome conclusion that refugees are a net benefit to the economy — and by quite a lot. Yes, they often need public housing and food stamps and other assistance when they arrive, but once they’ve gotten on their feet, refugees tend to get jobs, start businesses, and become taxpayers. The quashed HHS study found refugees generated $63 billion more in government revenues than the social assistance they received:

The internal study, which was completed in late July but never publicly released, found that refugees “contributed an estimated $269.1 billion in revenues to all levels of government” between 2005 and 2014 through the payment of federal, state and local taxes. “Overall, this report estimated that the net fiscal impact of refugees was positive over the 10-year period, at $63 billion.”

Clearly, that finding didn’t fit with the Trump narrative that, apart from all being potential terrorists who will KILL YOU WITH SHARIA LAW IN YOUR SLEEP, refugees cost more than they’re worth to America, so unctuous Trump aide Stephen Miller demanded the HHS report be rewritten to compare only costs of services for refugees against the costs of government services provided to U.S. citizens.

An internal email, dated Sept. 5 and sent among officials from government agencies involved in refugee issues, said that “senior leadership is questioning the assumptions used to produce the report.” A separate email said that Mr. Miller had requested a meeting to discuss the report. The Times was shown the emails on condition that the sender not be identified. Mr. Miller personally intervened in the discussions on the refugee cap to ensure that only the costs — not any fiscal benefit — of the program were considered, according to two people familiar with the talks.

So the final report HHS released September 5 showed conclusively that refugees cost too much:

“In an average year over the 10-year period, per-capita refugee costs for major H.H.S. programs totaled $3,300,” it says. “Per-person costs for the U.S. population were lower, at $2,500, reflecting a greater participation of refugees in H.H.S. programs, especially during their first four years” in the United States.

That troublesome stuff about the tax revenue generated by refugees working and running businesses was left out altogether, the better to leave the impression that refugees are only a drag on the economy because they never, ever get off the dole, and that’s why we need to take in even fewer refugees, forever.

And that’s today’s installment of How To Lie Like A Member Of The Trump Administration.

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  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    I just dont know where to start.

    • Treg Brown

      With a drink…

    • Crystalclear12

      First you buy the liquor.

    • CindyinEncinitas

      Whatever you do, leave yourself a trail of bread crumbs.

  • Scooby

    I don’t know why Republicans don’t like those countries, they have everything they want. Small government, no universal healthcare, low taxes, no environmental regulations etc…etc…

    • Oblios_Cap

      Libertarian paradises.

    • P’jama Pahnts

      Lots of guns, low voter turnout..

      • Gee, Your Hair Smells Horrific

        That reminds me of the time I investigated Yemen’s per capita gun ownership, because I had read the place was a dangerous hellhole, overrun with fire arms.
        Yemen is number three with 54.8 guns per 100. Number one, the US, with 112.6 per 100.

        • Shanzgood

          That explains why I don’t have one! SOMEONE ELSE HAS IT!!!11!!

    • Michael Smith

      And if liberals get uppity, you can just have them killed!

      • YoBunnyBunny

        And they lock up queers and throw them off roofs until their shriveled little hearts are content!

  • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

    I’m sure traffic congestion will clear up after we get all these Sedan chairs off of our roads.

  • memzilla Ω

    Sudan’s human rights record remains abysmal in 2016, with… repression of civil society groups and independent media; and widespread arbitrary detentions of activists, students, and protesters.

    Sudan sounds like a Rethuglican/Faux ‘News’ wet dream.

  • armed_bears
  • bookish
  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

    When will we start seizing the old widow’s homes and kick the old widows out?

    • msanthropesmr

      About 6 months ago.

    • Vincent Ricola

      They’re working on it. There are current disagreements over the puppy kicking amendment that was snuck in late last night, but Ryan says if the Senate can pass it, he can deliver the house.

    • CindyinEncinitas

      That was in the 80s and again in 2008.

    • Eileen Besse

      Calling Jeff Sessions….

  • Vincent Ricola

    The extremes these assholes go to rationalize their hatred for humanity would be impressive if it wasn’t so fucking disgusting.

  • Oblios_Cap

    Life among the janjaweed (sometimes spelled gangaweed) isn’t quite as wonderful as it sounds.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Worse than jubjub birds, and not as fun as ganja weed.

      • therealpuredog

        Better looking than qabqabs.

        • redblack

          but not as delicious as kebabs.

  • TJ Barke

    Fucking nationalist simpleton.

  • Michael Smith

    There’s a reason why “You know who else…??!” is such a fun and easy game to play. Right wingers never come up with new ideas. Just new names for old ones.

  • jowgajen

    If Turnip send back a quarter million Salvadorans under TPS, he’s going to have no one to burn his steak for him. Because *every* kitchen in DC is run by Salvadorans, I am not exaggerating.

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      The US really, really needs to apply the Pottery Barn rule to Central America. We broke it. We should pay to fix it.

  • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

    “That troublesome stuff about the tax revenue generated by refugees working and running businesses was left out altogether, the better to leave the impression that refugees are only a drag on the economy because they never, ever get off the dole, and that’s why we need to take in even fewer refugees, forever.”

    Oh it’s even more simplistic than that. That whole quote the Right loves about “Socialism only works until you run out of other people’s money”? That’s what conservatives really seem to believe. Money used by the government simply vanishes into the ether, because the idea that the government could possibly help anything or return the funds to circulation is a no-no thought. So any money spent on things they don’t like has an automatic economic reason for taking it back, no additional thought required.

    • jowgajen

      They are stealing your tax dollars.

      *quieter* and regulating me so I can’t steal your money myself.

    • Oblios_Cap

      The Chicago School has perfected proving that classical economics is the bestest thing ever, especially when you start with shit assumptions.

      • TJ Barke

        Fucking Randian garbage.

    • Michael Smith

      “Hey, even if socialism did work I still wouldn’t support it. Sure it seems great now, but what if I become a millionaire? I don’t want to have to share that money with poor people!”

      • YoBunnyBunny

        Ah, our temporarily embarrassed millionaire friend

        • willi0000000

          hasn’t hit the lottery yet . . . but soon!

    • Lance Thrustwell

      There’s good socialism and bad socialism. All of us non-brain-dead people know this. But they don’t.

      • TJ Barke

        All forms of societal cooperation lead to Stalinist gulags!

    • Scooby

      It’s like they think healthcare costs money but war is free.

  • Treg Brown
    • Oblios_Cap

      Give him the old one-two, Joe.

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  • Gee, Your Hair Smells Horrific

    Republicans would be a little more sympathetic to refugees/immigrants if they didn’t see them all as inevitable votes for democrats. If only they would consider voting for the party that hates their guts!!!

    • Bitter Scribe

      Gee, ya think? Why do you suppose we let in every Cuban refugee who can make it to our shores? It’s to help build the Republican base in Florida.

      • Gee, Your Hair Smells Horrific

        lol I never even thought of that.

    • Pisto75666

      If they were anything lighter than brown, too, also.

  • Lyly Sirivong

    OT : The Ken Burns Vietnam documentary is on french telly !

    • jowgajen

      It’s not very nice to the French.

      • Oblios_Cap

        But I saw the episode on PBS last night. It’s pretty darned good.

      • Lyly Sirivong

        But the French weren’t very nice to the vietnamese, so…

        • TJ Barke

          Imperialism isn’t generally very kind to the imperialized…

          • Lyly Sirivong

            That’s what I try to explain to the people who say “but what about the hospitals / roads / baguettes ?” but they don’t understand.

          • jowgajen

            When life gives you slavery, make Banh Mi?

          • Shanzgood

            Because they couldn’t have EVER figured those things out themselves.

          • Michael Smith

            Americans say that too but with “hamburgers,” and “soulless material culture.”

          • TJ Barke

            Self determination is for commies!
            Which is the subtext of the the Containment doctrine/domino theory. It was less about communism, more about regional resource control.

        • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

          On the plus side, it made for some pretty awesome fusion dishes.

          • Lyly Sirivong

            Yep. Vietnamese sandwich is awesome.

          • TJ Barke

            Silver linings…

        • therealpuredog

          They let Uncle Ho work as a patissiere in Paris! Whaddaya want?

      • Oblios_Cap

        dien bien phu-ey on the French.

      • Michael Smith

        The parallels between the French behavior and America’s are disturbingly predictable.

        • jowgajen

          KB seems genuinely mystified that we would support the French in the early part of the conflict.

          • Oblios_Cap

            We liked Michelin tires?

          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            French behavior during the whole conflict never crested above “scummy and self-interested”. First they handed off a conflict they were losing to the U.S., then when De Gaulle came to power he used it to score points off the U.S., in turn to curry favor with the third world.

          • Michael Smith

            What’s funny is that our support for and eventual replacement of the French never became part of the pop culture meme of the French being “surrender monkeys” who we need to keep “bailing out.” We bring up WW2 all the time for that argument, and occasionally even falsely claim that we “saved their asses” in WW1.

            But not in Vietnam… even though it would be an easy argument to make. The reason, though, is that would require explaining what the hell was really going on in Vietnam rather than saying “communists were trying to conquer the country and we had to stop them.”

    • Antonin Dvorak

      Just out of curiosity, is it subtitled or dubbed or anything?

      • Lyly Sirivong

        It’s dubbed, which is disappointing.

  • YoBunnyBunny

    Aren’t the Trumpistas always talking that lofty rhetoric that citizens MUST contribute something and not be moochers? By serving in the military or being capitalist business owners, right?

    • Vincent Ricola

      That is so 2015. They’ve moved on to talking about the future programs that will handle the problem of how unfair it is to white dudes that they don’t all have jobs that pay $2000 an hour and guarantee free hot and subservient ass.

    • Rags

      Starship Trumpers!

  • Crystalclear12

    But her emails. . .

  • btwbfdimho

    It’s all about white man fear of becoming just another minority in the future…
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4ec92d0e77fdfae9aeebb5e69369a753689630d71721dc85c0f2ca10f158623e.png

    • P’jama Pahnts

      Well, the last part of the tweet is certainly accurate.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      It’s almost like treating people like garbage will turn them against you.

      • TJ Barke

        The beatings will continue until morale improves.

      • YoBunnyBunny

        What’s really odd is that a lot of immigrant communities, particular Asians, actually lean more conservative on certain issues. But then the GOP goes peak racist and it’s all down hill from there.

        • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

          Yeah, if the GOP was smart enough to see it, many of our immigrant communities come from socially (if not economically) conservative countries, especially the largely-Catholic Hispanic immigrants. It should be making a killing among those groups due to their attitudes on religion, abortion, and gay marriage.

          Unfortunately for them, one of the key components of conservatism is other-ism: the system is perfect as is, all the defects are due to those other people. And who’s more other-y than different racial groups?

          • Three Finger Salute

            Also Anglophilia. Some Hispanics are brown, and they don’t “assimilate” properly (forget their Spanish and change their names from Jose Ferrer to Joe Smith). Italians used to be a “shade” higher on the pyramid than actual blacks. The terms, “Latin lover,” “talk, dark and handsome,” meant swarthy Southern Europeans. They only became white once they stopped listening to opera and naming all their sons Tony.

        • Sakonyachen

          Take a good look at the Democratic Party too, they’re not the pie-eyed socialists the Republicans paint them as. The average person doesn’t have to become left to vote Democratic, just move a bit left unless you’re in wingnuts country. Some have to move because there’s no candidate, but you don’t have to be a full on anarchist to vote for Dems. So if racism is your bag, you may lose Asians to a Democrat.

    • Shanzgood

      2042, mufukkas!

      • OutOfOrbit

        ???

        • Antonin Dvorak

          That is the year whites drop below 50% (at least birthrate wise).

          • OutOfOrbit

            ah

          • Three Finger Salute

            Fake news. White isn’t a race, so how do they even gauge what the percentage is other than by “self-reporting”?. If we went by the original definition, the only whites would be British. Even Ben Franklin thought the Germans were nothing but Teutonic barbarians and didn’t want them here.

            Hitler, meanwhile, included Iran (“Aryan”) but not Slavs, which is why it’s ridiculous to see Poles and Croatians joining “Nazi” groups. Hitler threw their ancestors in the ovens. Iranians aren’t considered “white” in America because predominantly Muslim. Israel? Sure! (At least until Hitler Jesus comes along and exterminates them for squatting at dad’s house in Mar-a-Jerusalago.)

            And then there’s Bibi Jr., who live-tweeted logic committing suicide.

          • Shanzgood

            Yeah. Kondabolu makes that point, too. And also that 51% of non-whites doesn’t constitute a majority of any one particular race, either, because “non-white” isn’t a race.

        • Shanzgood

          2042 is the year the (IIRC) Census projects that white people will no longer be the majority of the US population.

          The comedian Hari Kondabolu has a funny take on it.

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=85fr6nbiMT4

          • YoBunnyBunny

            “THE WHITE GENOCIDE!!11!!11111!11”

      • OutOfOrbit

        if i live till then it will be a serous miscarriage of nature

        • Shanzgood

          :(

          If I do, it’ll be through genetic luck. Or just sheer orneriness.

          • OutOfOrbit

            you might make it, you might not want to, weather being how it iz. i been a smoker and toker and boozer and I don’t see me seeing 90. OTOH, my dad’s dad was a smoker (Camel straights) and a boozer (whiskey up) & he made it to 94–used a cane but still got around to the very end.

          • Shanzgood

            I might make it to my 70s then.

          • OutOfOrbit

            the weather is gonna be bad, already bad in the East and down Gulf way

          • OutOfOrbit

            and btw, you are might ornery sometimes

          • Shanzgood

            Sometimes it’s a feature. Sometimes it’s a bug. Maybe one day I’ll figure it out.

          • willi0000000
    • TJ Barke

      America is becoming a place to flee from instead of a place to flee to.

    • georgiaburning

      We white men are a minority on this planet. So is everyone else, so wtf?

    • Alan

      Well that’s a fine basis for immigration decisions.

  • Anna Rompage
    • tihond

      Melania considers the fine points of the pre-nup.

    • OutOfOrbit

      but what are the words? i wish i knew what she was thinking just then

    • Bitter Scribe

      Attention John: Get Melania to give you the name of her Botox doctor. It’s how she keeps a straight face in these situations.

      • therealpuredog

        Considering the kinds of dosage that would be required, you’d think you could see the IV stand.

        • PubOption

          The bulk Botox tank that Laura Bush had installed in the WH basement is back in use.

      • Alan

        It never moves.

        • Bitter Scribe

          That’s one way to keep a straight face.

  • Relativicus

    I like the part where the $63 billion more in benefit than benefits was a political calculation, but excluding that information in order to support a predetermined conclusion is not.

    And for you aspiring mommybloggerists, this is how the pros do it:

    “We’d give them a Bible to keep them safe, but the ACLU won’t let us.”

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    You know which refugee really chaps my ass? That Chobani yogurt guy! How dare he come to my country, start a business, help a lot of other people, and become a billionaire in the process, all while being a kind, decent, human being. I’d much rather this country be controlled by the Koch brothers.

    • TJ Barke

      A fan of company scrip and gun thugs, eh?

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        I’m definitely a Koch fan girl. They must be decent people, if they managed to EACH have $42 billion dollars. It’s not like they sued their own mother and brother or anything. Oh…wait, they DID sue their own mom.

    • Arolpin

      And he has the audacity to give stock to his employees, which has turned out to be worth quite a lot of money for his earliest employees, as in 7-figures a lot. You would think that the Rethugs would champion this guy, making more wealthy people who are going to hate paying taxes on this money. Of course they will hate it less than they have been hated on by the Rethugs, so they’ll still vote sanely.

      • Bitter Scribe

        And don’t forget, he made Alex Jones back down for lying about his company! If Alex Jones can’t lie, how is he supposed to make a living?

      • Three Finger Salute

        A worker cooperative? Deport him! He’s a communist!

        • Anne Rogers

          It works so well the entire country should be run on the same premise! What could possibly go wrong?

      • TundraGrifter

        Do you know the story of Bob’s Red Mill? Not to claim he’s an immigrant – just the story.

        • therealpuredog

          “In the wilds of Milwaukie, Oregon, just a few feet from the whirling commerce of SR 99E . . .”
          Nope, don’t think I do.

        • Arolpin

          Not familiar with it. I follow the Chobani story because the plant in Twin Falls that Alex Jones went apeshit (more than usual) over is about 25 miles from where my mom grew up, and I still know people in the area. He has done more to help poor rural communities than Drumpfs entire cabinet put together.

          • TundraGrifter

            Basically, Bob built up this business milling grains and stuff that are healthy. When it came time for him to retire he called in all his employees and said “I’m retiring and I’m giving all of you the company, because I couldn’t have built it without you.”

  • SayItWithWookies

    Ugh — look at all those seedy brown countries we’re getting refugees from. Obviously some other countries are scooping up the refugees from Austria, Germany and Norway and leaving us the dregs. No wonder they cost so much — especially after you remove the vast benefits that just serve to skew the numbers.

  • therealpuredog

    Nous sommes tous John Kelly.

    • Bitter Scribe

      Parlez pour vous-même.

      • therealpuredog

        Seulement dans le sens de la main sur le visage.

        • Bitter Scribe

          Ah, je vois. Je suppose que vous avez raison.

  • Antonin Dvorak
    • Vincent Ricola

      I need this movie.

    • therealpuredog

      That letter has a very Zodiac Killer look to it.

      • Oblios_Cap

        Ted Cruz co-authored it?

    • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

      “When working on historical decryption, you cannot ignore the psychological profile of the writer. We needed to know as much as possible about this nun,” Ludum Director Daniele Abate told Live Science. “So we checked out her MedievalBook page.”

  • jesterpunk

    That money can either go to help people or for Trump’s businesses, can’t do both and PeeOTUS needs to make money here.

    • willi0000000

      c’mon! . . . even t’Rump should be able to tell the difference between money coming in* v.s. money going out**

      * griftable
      ** not griftable

      • jesterpunk

        All of its griftable for him. He is a super genius that ran 3 casinos (into the ground).

  • Bitter Scribe

    Trump also cited that stat about how it’s 10 times more expensive to let refugees come to America than to give them assistance “near their home countries.” Some anti-immigrant “think tank” pulled that out of their ass.

    • TundraGrifter

      Did that “study” take into account the costs of creating one or more refugee crisis in the first place?

      • Three Finger Salute

        Shut up, commie. Jesus died so that God’s country could be blessed with oil from conquering the heathen lands.

    • willi0000000

      that number(10X) just might be real . . . true if you only allocate one tenth the funding per person to taking care of them here.

    • Anne Rogers

      I wonder how much it costs to sink their rickety boats and solve the problem permanently.

  • Arolpin

    I think we need someone, maybe a Senator from the sane party, to create a study focusing on EB-5 visa recipients (an EB-5 visa is for wealthy foreigners to invest and create jobs and they get a visa for their $500k/10 job investment) and only count the costs, not the money they contribute. Then ask why Drumpf’s stupid son-in-law is wasting taxpayer money trying to sell his over-leverage condos at some enormous cost to the US. Oh, you only count costs and not benefits when the immigrants AREN’T enriching Drumpf-scum? That explains it.

    • redblack

      i would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

  • Notreelyhelping

    Fuck These Motherfucking Cocksuckers.

    Of course, that’s only my opinion.

    • Ricky Gay

      You are in good company my friend!

    • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

      It’s a valid point.

      • therealpuredog

        As a statement of pure fact, I don’t think it can be gainsaid.

  • Bub, the cynical zombie

    I have no doubt that Stephen Miller would have been a fine kapo, back in the day.

    • Mavenmaven

      He’s one now.

  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    ICE will be using tumbrels (<–WOOHOO! Word of the day usage.) to transport immigrants to detention facilities.

    • georgiaburning

      Some technologies reached maturity long ago. Physical torture may be one.

  • Jesus Christ do we need some nice time stories. It’s only Tuesday.

    • cmd resistor

      Nothing from Florida. I saw the headline (but refused to read for fear of depression) about some nurses in Jacksonville who are in trouble when video surfaced of them showing the finger to babies in their care.

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    The amount of bots trying to silence the real commenters is astounding as fuck:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/910219338044657664

    • Shanzgood

      I like how your English colloquial usage is developing.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Awww. that’s sweet. Thank you. But you are right. Bitching here makes my colloquial english better. Also weirder. Today I yelled at a Range Rover parked taking two spaces: ” Looooori, you bitch!”

        • therealpuredog

          And there might not have been a person within 5,000 miles who had a clue what you were on about.

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            I took that for granted.

        • Shanzgood

          Are Range Rovers there like Volvos were when I lived in the U.K.? Only driven by inconsiderate assholes who couldn’t drive properly because they were so terrified of the roads that they had to buy tanks?

          • Persistent Tennessee Rain

            We have those here, too

          • willi0000000

            ahem! . . . i drive one of those “tanks” . . . not because it’s a tank but because it’s old enough to be repairable by humans with tools . . . and it drives well, runs reasonably economically, can haul a bunch of shit if need be and will protect me in a crash like no other.

            [ the fact that the last car i hit* took several thou of damage while Ovlov barely scratched his paint never entered my mind at purchase time ]

            * 5mph backing out of my dying friend’s driveway knowing i’d never see him again will do that to your driving skills

          • Persistent Tennessee Rain

            I’m sorry for your loss.

            And yes, perhaps a Volvo is a good idea considering one needs the reflexes of a hockey goal tender to manage on the roads these days.

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            Yup. And to add to the thing my english is improving my ex noticed this as well. She grew up in a family speaking predominately english and she noticed that my direct vocabulary all of a sudden used words as precocious and bewildering and asked me where I got that improvement.

          • Shanzgood

            Reading a lot will do that. My vocabulary was extensive as a child because I read constantly. I couldn’t pronounce things properly, though. The look on my mother’s face when I first used the word “macabre” in a sentence was priceless. After she finally figured out what I meant. Being the nice lady she is, she very lovingly corrected me without laughing (too much).

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            Isn’t english your first language? (yes I know macabre is French but it is very commonly used in English)

          • Shanzgood

            Yes but I’m a wretched introvert IRL and have been since I started public school when I was 7 (norm is 5 here but I went to “alternative” hippie schools before then). I guess I dealt with the culture shock of joining the nascent Idiocracy pipeline by becoming even more of a bookworm.

            I don’t think at the time I mispronounced “macabre” at my mom I’d ever encountered it outside of musical references, but I’d never heard it pronounced there, either.

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            What is your favorite book?

          • Shanzgood

            I don’t have *a* favorite. I’m partial to sci-fi/fantasy because of the alternative social scenarios, especially ones written by women. Atwood, Elgin, Tepper, Le Guin, Butler, Lee, Norton, etc…

          • Skeptical_thinker

            Mispronouncing words that are read is the epitome of autodidactism.

          • Shanzgood

            Epi-tome. Yup.

          • PubOption

            I remember someone pronouncing bedraggled as bed-raggled. I thought that it would be a much more interesting word.

          • Shanzgood

            It sounds more fun!

          • PubOption

            Indeed

          • LucindathePook

            Yeah, I thought it was Ga-LIL-ee-oh. The astronomy guy. That one. I did learn better, but then I embarrassingly reverted as an adult when the theater troupe I did PR for produced Galileo.

          • Shanzgood

            You obviously didn’t listen closely enough to that Queen song.

          • LucindathePook

            Queen wasn’t a thing when I was 10.

          • Shanzgood

            It was when *I*?was 10!

          • PubOption

            They used to be known as Wilmslow Tractors in Manchester.

    • Lyly Sirivong

      I spit rice all over my screen at #UNGA.

    • Pisto75666
  • Three Finger Salute

    RCMP guard: “Prime Minister… Prime Minister! They’re here!”

    Justin Trudeau: “Oh, good! The kids are home from school?”

    RCMP guard: “No… your… new neighbours… all 275 million of them…”

    https://cdn1.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2013/01/113843558.jpg

    Justin Trudeau: (gulps) “Wow, uh… haha… Gee. Bigliest crowd ever, eh?”

    • Rags

      ME FIRST!!!

      • Anne Rogers

        Feel free- I’m sure you can find the border.

  • La forza del resistino

    Didn’t a German draft dodger (hi, grandpa Trump) get welcomed at Ellis island in 1885 go onto a job creating career as a brothel owner

    • Three Finger Salute

      Get a job, give a job. You can’t explain that.

  • Alan

    Gee, can they be more blatant? Sudan=muslims, South Sudan=not muslims. This should keep the lawyers busy for a while.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Doesn’t matter. All of them are black and therefore not welcome here because an Obama might be hiding in their midst.

      We’re probably going to take in the Afrikaners and Dylan Roof’s buddies in “Rhodesia” at some point, but certainly not anyone who fails the paper bag test. We’ll deport Trevor Noah in exchange for Oscar Pistorius just so Trump can pardon him. “There’s my handicapped guy.”

      • Alan

        Nope, they extended the program for South Sudan, ended it for Sudan. In the article.

        • Three Finger Salute

          Oh, I see. They kept some so that they could claim they’re “not racist”.

          • Red Bird

            It’s good to see there’s someone more cynical than I am.

    • kaydenpat

      Sudan & South Sudan = Black. For Trump, Black = bad. Simple.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Tell us more, NYT link above about the benefits of refugees and the efforts of Donald & Co to surpress that information:

    John Graham, the acting assistant secretary for planning and evaluation at the health department, said: “We do not comment on allegedly leaked documents” and that no report had been finalized. He noted that Mr. Trump’s memorandum “seeks an analysis related to the cost of refugee programs. Therefore, the only analysis in the scope of H.H.S.’s response to the memo would be on refugee-related expenditures from data within H.H.S. programs.”

    The three-page report the agency ultimately submitted, dated Sept. 5, does just that, using government data to compare the costs of refugees to Americans and making no mention of revenues contributed by refugees.

    “In an average year over the 10-year period, per-capita refugee costs for major H.H.S. programs totaled $3,300,” it says. “Per-person costs for the U.S. population were lower, at $2,500, reflecting a greater participation of refugees in H.H.S. programs, especially during their first four years” in the United States.

    So if you cherry pick the data just right, refugees are marginally more costly for a short period of time? Put up the barricades!!!

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    Has anyone noted recently that these guys are so fucking evil. (No, not the refugees.)

    • kaydenpat

      If they pass that Graham healthcare thingy, everyone will know just how evil Republicans are. That will be the death knell for Medicaid.

      • laineypc

        And PROOF! that Medicaid doesn’t work, you see. There, I broked it!

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        And if they manage to do that, you just know that Medicare and Social Security are next.

  • HorseChestnut

    OK, but if I hold my nose and accept the idiotic premise that “the government” is spending more on recent immigrants than on their descendants, then why not spend more on Americans?

    • silly head. We can only spend money on the rich.
      Everyone else, tough tits.

  • Serai 1

    Points for the Tom Petty reference!

  • Mavenmaven

    We can guess that Trump doesn’t have a clue as to where Sudan is, and this is all Stephen Miller having fun?

    • The Militant Homosexual Agenda

      But when he does find out he’ll be telling us how “most people didn’t know that”.

    • kaydenpat

      It’s a Black country. That’s all Trump needs to know.

    • Querolous

      DJT – “Sudan? That’s next door to Kenya, right?JBS3 – “Sudan? That’s some island in the Pacific, right?

  • kaydenpat

    So evil. How does sending people back to wretched country MAGA?

    • willi0000000

      ’cause white people are great?

    • Anne Rogers

      If these ‘refugees’ are so productive then surely they can make their own countries better. They should thank the President for helping them help their nation.

  • calliecallie

    It really makes me happy when I get Dok’s weird references. FYI, I went to a Tom Petty concert this summer. It was a wild scene. I’m too old for that shit. And all those people voted for Trump, just saying.

  • Panika MCD

    this isn’t the only level that’s tried this one weird trick. I’ll have to see if this bill went anywhere in the other chamber, but I do know that TX State Sen. Don Huffines (R-wears makeup) tried to pass a bill to account for just the costs of undocumented persons to the state. we’ve done the net cost-benefit analysis a number of times under GOP Comptrollers, but he wanted to leave out the benefits. when he got flustered about it on the Senate floor because he wanted his limited study and not the amended versions which had been done a number of times, he was all, “if it turns out they’re a net benefit, then why have borders at all?!” he thinks we can’t handle the truth, I guess.

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