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“Fox & Friends” was doing one of its “Oh, What Has Become Of America, Alas” stories Thursday — about a Washington DC suburb that decided this week to let noncitizen residents vote in municipal elections — and so they turned for an opinion to a reliable expert on voting-related matters, Conservative Thought Leader Dinesh D’Souza. Mr. D’Souza knows all about clean elections, since he agreed to a guilty plea on felony election fraud charges in 2014. D’Souza happens to know he was REALLY prosecuted for telling the truth about Barack Obama’s hatred of America, anyway. Oh, but he has strong thoughts about who should vote in municipal elections (people who’ve violated campaign laws) and who shouldn’t (noncitizens who pay taxes and use services in a community):

Steve Doocy: Now to the state of Maryland where an important question is being asked: Can you vote if you’re not an American citizen? Well, in the city of College Park, the answer is now yes. This week the City Council there voted in favor of allowing undocumented citizens the right to vote in local elections […]

This is not unique to College Park because there are a number of localities in Maryland that have already voted to do this. What do you think?

Dinesh D’Souza: Well, to me it makes no sense because of what citizenship actually means. Citizenship is a kind of bargain among citizens of a country. It comes out of a social compact with certain rights and responsibilities. For example, why would I fight for my country and die for you if you wouldn’t be willing to do the same for me? So, this is a very reciprocal deal. And the whole idea of letting non-citizens vote, and shape the governmental process, that falls outside the social compact.

Earth to Outpost Dinesh: NON-CITIZENS SERVE IN OUR ARMY AND DIE ALL THE FUCKING TIME. THE FIRST COMBAT CASUALTY IN IRAQ, MARINE LANCE CORPORAL JOSE GUTIERREZ, WAS A GUATEMALAN IMMIGRANT WHO LIED ABOUT HIS AGE TO GET ASYLUM. Err. Pardon our shouty caps. But the point is, after his death, the federal government made it possible for Gutierrez to gain his citizenship posthumously. Maybe that’s a pretty good example of the social contract, Dinesh. And why is military service somehow the example of good citizenship anyway? What does that have to do with the school board? Good lord preserve us — is Dinesh D’Souza planning a remake of Starship Troopers?

The Great Minds continued, with Doocy offering the insane liberal viewpoint: “Sure, but Dinesh, you know the argument they make is, ‘Look, these people are in the country illegally but they’re paying taxes, they’re impacted by the schools and emergency services. They should have a say in it.'” Good lord, that would be treating non-citizens as actual residents of a town, when in fact they should be shunned and treated like those with the plague, at least until you need yard work done or someone with an H1-B visa to make your computer network run. Fortunately, D’Souza’s mighty mind was on it:

Well, I don’t think they should because being non-citizens, they need to go through the citizenship path, become citizens, then they get the protections of being a citizen and they also get the benefits of being a citizen.

You realize that citizenship has nothing to do with whether people are paying sales tax, right? At least answer the loaded question, man.

Essentially what they’re claiming is — and you can see why the Democrats want this. The Democrats’ interest in these people is their votes. And so the Democrats are more keen to get their votes than they are to get to send them to school or do any other things for them. That’s the main political problem. There’s a divergence between the interests of a political party and the fundamental meaning of citizenship.

Oh those devious Democrats! They want to take over our municipal elections with foreigners! We wonder if D’Souza’s analysis might be affected at all if you consider that in College Park, Maryland, the Mayoral and City Council seats are all nonpartisan. (The city’s Nominating forms have no spot for party affiliation, either.) Still, it’s a thing D’Souza doesn’t like, so Democrats must be behind it. The real question is, how does this make Democrats Just Like The Nazis?

As for the Fox News panic over all the foreigns voting in city elections? The Washington Post notes that in other Maryland municipalities that have allowed it, non-citizens aren’t exactly flooding the voting rolls: In one town, only 33 people registered as city-only voters, and of those, only 12 voted in the one election that’s taken place since the rule was adopted. In another town, an immigrant horde of 20 non-citizens registered.

Somehow, the Republic may survive. As long as the sanctity of the ballot box is protected from people who want to fudge campaign contributions.

[Media Matters / WaPo / Time / City of College Park]

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  • Timothy Watson

    Well, to me it makes no sense because of what citizenship actually means. Citizenship is a kind of bargain among citizens of a country. It comes out of a social compact with certain rights and responsibilities.

    So…using that logic noncitizens aren’t required to follow our social compact? Interesting perspective.

    And back in the 1800s, noncitizens could vote in a lot of state and municipal elections.

    • Doesn’t the social compact also include things like following laws. Does this mean they aren’t required to follow laws – like murder. They can murder at will then?

      • Old town Urbandale

        Sure, they just can’t murder with votes, like we do around here.

    • cmd resistor

      Things that make sense to Dinesh. Ha.

    • Skeptical_thinker

      Many municipalities let non-citizens vote as long as they are residents.

  • Hemp Dogbane

    Living off Wingnut Welfare is no way to go through life, son.

    • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

      Contrarily, it’s a great way, if you have no empathy, compassion, honor, or, for lack of a better word, soul…

      • Ricky Gay

        and single-mindedly stupid, also too.

  • Gayer Than Thou

    There are a couple of things I’d like to borrow Obama’s time machine for. Among them is going back to the Founding Fathers and asking them to actually enshrine the vote in the Constitution. And maybe think twice about the guns thing.

    • Or more clearly wording 2A to be about “regulated” militias and not random wackadoodles.

      • Paul

        It’s pretty clear to me, since it starts with “A well regulated militia..”

    • Riley Whodat Venable

      Well, I agree, but I would want to discuss women’s sufferage and slavery with them as well.

    • FlownΩver

      And maybe a footnote: “Anybody named Dinesh D’Souza is right out.

  • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

    Mnuchin: I Requested Government Plane For ‘National Security’ Reasons

    Oh, fuck you, asshole.

    • Riley Whodat Venable

      You don’t think his wife could fly domestic in those clothes?

  • memzilla Ω

    I wouldn’t mind seeing someone D’ported.

  • Indiepalin

    I call that a bargain, the best I ever had.

    • James Baskin

      Gotta lose me to find you

  • Scooby

    At this point, considering how screwed up the US is, why would you want to be a citizen? It’s embarrassing.

    • James Baskin

      Onlyest reason I will keep my citizenship when I retire is that the US owes me a lot of money. And they are not getting out of paying it to me.

      • Scooby

        If you change your citizenship you still get your SS money.

        • James Baskin

          True fact?

          • Scooby

            Yes, military pensions are forfeit but SS is not. Same as a green card holder returning to thier native country.

          • Celtic_Gnome

            Give the Grifter In Chief a chance. He’ll figure out a way to stiff all the SS and all government and military pension recipients and pocket the money himself.

  • Gayer Than Thou

    Dinesh, honey – if you’re going to do the sad, wistful walk on a windswept beach in your big flowy blouse, I have a suggestion: wear a good body shaper. When you’re going for glamor, foundation garments are your friend.

    • James Baskin

      I’m afraid a foundation garment wouldn’t do much good for him.

      • PubOption

        What about shoes made of a material used in building foundations?

        • FlownΩver

          And we’re not talking foam core insulation here.

      • Riley Whodat Venable

        I think his whole problem has been a lack of a foundation.

    • Riley Whodat Venable

      And undo at least one more top button. You don’t want to look cheap, but you do want to look available.

    • Uncle Mark

      OOOOH…..THAT’S Dinesh on the beach !! Silly me; I thought is was some hazardous waste that washed up on the beach after a cruise ship emptied its holds too close to shore. Meh…same effect

    • Celtic_Gnome

      I never got around to watching Queer Eye for the Straight Guy (who has time?), and now I don’t have to. Wonketteer style critics are always spot on.

  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

    then they get the protections of being a citizen and they also get the benefits of being a citizen

    That…sounds really ominous. Are the paramedics going to demand to see citizenship papers before deciding to treat patients?

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      Don’t give them any ideas.

    • Riley Whodat Venable

      California tried that.
      BTW, one of the Houston Hero Paramedics who served through Harvey is a Dreamer. Another Dreamer drowned in Houston while rescuing people with his boat.
      And D’Souza still has a platform.
      Fuck me running.

  • Werewolf

    In Israel, non-citizen permanent residents can vote in municipal elections, but not national ones.

  • Proud Liberal

    My gut tells me that many non-citizens in this country are better citizens than Dinesh.

    • Riley Whodat Venable

      You’d be right. Most no -citizens aren’t felons.

  • Citizenship is a kind of bargain among citizens of a country. It comes out of a social compact with certain rights and responsibilities.

    And the best way to demonstrate your commitment to this social compact is with a completely effort-free accident of birth.

  • Covfefe’s Evil Twin

    Asking that idiot’s opinion on anything is D’plorable.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      You know, I cringed a little when I saw the headline for this story, because I knew it would bring out every single D’pun in the English language, but, then, I did it myself. I guess it’s all in the D’livery

  • IdiotsforPalin

    Doocy, douchier, douchiest……..

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    Is a felony conviction now a prerequisite for a gig at FOX?

    • jesterpunk

      Only if they haven’t sexually harassed anyone.

      • When did that change?

        • jesterpunk

          When they kept losing money for all the sexual harassment lawsuits. They added a new alternative qualification.

      • Msgr_MΩment

        Why not both?

  • jesterpunk

    Citizenship is a kind of bargain among citizens of a country. It comes out of a social compact with certain rights and responsibilities.

    Is one of those responsibilities to not break the law and commit election fraud?

    • Say what you will about undocumented residents, at least they aren’t committing a felony.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Unlike a certain “Conservative Thought Leader”

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      I guess he thinks of “cheat on your wife at a Bible conference” as one of those rights and responsibilities.

      • jesterpunk

        But he didn’t have to go far to ask for forgiveness so it’s ok.

      • mancityRed6

        it’s in the amendments, you just have to hold up the original copy of the 21st amendment to a blacklight.

        • FlownΩver

          And look at it through Ben Franklin’s magic beer goggles.

          National Treasure IV: The Aduiltering

      • Msgr_MΩment

        God helps those who take a big heaping for themselves.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      Does Dinesh live in one of those states that permanently strips you of your right to vote with a felony conviction?

  • William
    • Villago Delenda Est

      Yes.

      White supremacists SUCK.

      • Parakeetist

        Yes they do.

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        • george lastrapes

          Strange how the supremacists are the among least supreme of their group……

    • Riley Whodat Venable

      Personally I’m glad to see all the Neo-Nazis, Neo-Confederates, Klansmen, White Nationalists, and Christian Identity slugs come out from under their rocks. Trump has accomplished on thing, he has given them a false sense of security.

      • FlownΩver

        I’ve always said let the Klan march – but no hoods. Next time one of them comes in the shop, it’s much easier to tell them “Sorry – we’re closed for lunch. Until infinity. Good day. I said good day, sir!”

        • Riley Whodat Venable

          You have the manners of a Southernor. I say that as a compliment. Manners are always important, yet more so when rebuffing a rapscallion or ruffian.

          • george lastrapes

            When rebuking a puke, as well.

      • george lastrapes

        I pray that they go back under those rocks to breed, rather than doing it in front of God and everybody.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    No, certainly NOT Einstein on the beach. Welcome back, Dok.

    • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

      iswydt

      • FlownΩver

        Hmmm… beach… sand… silica… Glass.

        Aha!

  • arglebargle

    Is he so stupid (yes, he is) that he doesn’t realize (no, he does not) that 95% of Trump backers would love to see him on the next deportation machine becaue brown with furrin name?

    • Villago Delenda Est

      If they ran into him on the street, without any knowledge of him, they’d think he was some Mooslimb.

      • FlownΩver

        And “ran into him on the street” as in Charlottesville.

      • Celtic_Gnome

        The director of my office’s finance department on September 11, 2001 was Indian. I saw him on my way out after they closed the office, and all I could think for him was, “Good luck.”

  • Cogswell – In a Mirror, Darkly

    I can just imagine how his interview went:

    It says here you’re a convicted felon. You’ll fit in nicely here.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    “I love walks on the beach, cuddling, felon ankle bracelets, green bologna sandwiches…”

    • Msgr_MΩment

      If you like pina colostomies….

      I’ll see myself out.

      • jodyleek

        Gettin’ it on with married babes
        If you’re not past donating
        Illegal dough to campaigns

        • Riley Whodat Venable

          Well played.

      • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

        …and getting caught in ICE raids

  • Daniel

    “why would I fight for my country and die for you if you wouldn’t be willing to do the same for me?”

    Ask noted citizen Donald Trump.

    • jesterpunk

      Or noted pants shitting pedophile Ted Nugent.

      • Msgr_MΩment

        Curses, spillczech!

      • Daniel

        Did his friend Child Sexual Assault Defender Mike Huckabee serve?

        • jesterpunk

          Nope.

    • Man, this pisses me off. They make it hard as fuck for anyone to get citizenship, then spin people’s lack of citizenship like it’s a moral failing.

    • cmd resistor

      And like D’Crap would sign up to fight for us, either.

  • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

    Only citizens should be able to vote for the next M&M color.

    There I said it.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Otherwise what would would they pick for Skin Tone M&M’s?

      • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

        Periwinkle the thought.

        • PubOption

          Don’t be puce-illanimous.

          • FlownΩver

            What a maroon!

  • Michael Smith

    This is what passes for an objective intellectual discussion on Fox, because less thoughtful Fox programs (the ones that really ‘cut through the liberal bullshit’) would just answer “they’re rapists, they’re communists, they want to destroy America, that’s why they shouldn’t vote, that’s why they should be rounded up and dealt with!”

  • FFS.

    There’s nothing more convincing than a convicted felon who lost his right to vote making an argument for why others shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

    Another Fox News expert with a criminal record.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      “My unique perspective as a convicted felon makes me highly qualified to offer sanctimonious opinions about people who are not felons.”

      • bupkus231

        You know – D’douchebag lives in NY, and in NY, convicted felons regain their right to vote after parole. Those who got probation can still vote..

        So, I think all this snark about D’douchebag not being able to vote just might be…..

        • Celtic_Gnome

          I assumed he lived in a sane state. After all, why should he be denied the vote for the rest of his life because of one felony conviction? He does, after all, consider himself to be white.

      • Riley Whodat Venable

        Well, he does have a little more street cred. Martha Stewart did her time, didn’t snitch, and got a TV Show with Snoop.
        D’Souza just has no initiative.

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Conservative Thought Leader Dinesh D’Souza

    Now there’s a concept that I find impossible to reconcile with what I know about D’Dumbshit.

  • Wolf Tracker

    Five reasons to like President Donald Trump

    1. He is emotional and has no filter.

    Some will confuse this lack of filter with honesty, others with a mental disorder. Whatever it is, I like it. This level of transparency and free expression might forever change the way the American public engages with their public officials. Trump’s raw emotional presentations – however racist, sexist, homophobic or xenophobic – are remarkable assets to understanding the brutish dynamics of power.

    Hopefully, this will inspire righteous outrage, creative resistance and an innovative, social-media-driven way of organising quickly and impactfully, especially from the artists, activists and young folks who checked out under previous White House administrations.

    2. He is polarising.

    Since Trump pushes from an emotional space of fear, he polarises Americans in so many ways. He pounced on Mexican immigrants, China, and Hillary Clinton to stimulate and polarise white working class from the Rust-Belt states to win him the election.

    He inspired the Nazis, Neo-Confederates and Alt-Right to come to together to protest the removal of a Robert E Lee statue in Charlottesville, SC, where we saw them in action leaving one person dead. Trump will wake up the Left, the Democrats, independents and students to organise and counter in ways they were not inspired to do under Obama.

    3. He agitates African Americans and People of Colour.

    Trump is no fan of Black America. In fact, Trump has repeatedly shown that Black Lives DO NOT Matter to him. Check his response to the Central Park 5 case and his work on the Birther movement. Because he believed he did not need the Black voice to win the election, I suspect he thinks African Americans are irrelevant, hence his decision not to meet with the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) at their national convention.

    Perhaps it’s time for Black America, people of colour and other disenfranchised groups to look elsewhere, maybe internally, to move our agendas. His response to Charlottesville should make his racial politics very clear. My hope is that having a White Supremacist sympathiser in the White House will produce a strong, creative and effective counter-response and a new list of leaders ready for serious long-term action.

    4. He inspires counter-intuitive alliances.

    Trump’s policies and unfiltered self have forced leading CEOs to quit his manufacturing council and army leaders to offer support for transgender soldiers. Internationally, his craziness is beginning to demystify Europe’s romance with all things American. Even Germany and France have publicly shown wincing faces of disappointment.

    And perhaps, many enemies of America – who may also be enemies of each other – are trading in suicide bombs for good seats to watch Trump implode, since they might think that the greatest act of terror against America was its own citizens voting him into office. When Trump is done, members of the one percent will be out in the streets protesting with the rest of us.

    5. He is not afraid to fire folks.

    James Comey, Anthony Scaramucci and Steven Bannon. Remember them? This is quite exciting. My hope is that under the right pressure he will fire the wrong person – which he may have already done – or maybe even fire himself.

    I am convinced Trump’s personality, pathological politics and presidency will force threats of international war, domestic protests and social strokes around the issues of race, class, gender and sexuality. While I do not value watching the American presidency and bipartisan politics crash and burn, I am afraid, unfortunately, that this is what might be needed to realign the American people to the promise of the American constitution and inspirational spirit of the American Dream. Perhaps a system-reset (as a result of a meltdown led by President Trump aka Trumpty Dumpty) will not only save us from ourselves, but save us from leading the world into self-destruction through insane greed, gaslighting selfishness and Hollywood grandiosity.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/reasons-president-donald-trump-170906091102447.html

    • Villago Delenda Est

      A lot of this is the “nach Hitler, uns” mentality at work.

    • Debbie the Unpaid Protester

      To me, this is like saying “I like that my husband died of cancer because it made me realize how much I love him, and it brought me closer to my daughters.”

      • Wolf Tracker

        I think he did a good job of expressing how Dems have been pretty apathetic and not fought as hard as they should which allowed Trump to rise to power and maybe now they will take it seriously.

        That is what I got from it.

        • Debbie the Unpaid Protester

          I have thought the same things, and not just about Dems, but about Americans in general (ie, apathy)– but to me they are a desperate sort of silver lining, not a reason to “like” Donnie 2-Scoops.

          I understand that he is using a rhetorical device to get our attention (and he makes some very good points), but the thought that Trump is in any way a good thing is hard to read.

          • Wolf Tracker

            It was an attention getter which is why I had to go read it and thought it might grab some attention here.

  • Daniel

    “Sure, but Dinesh, you know the argument they make is, ‘Look, these people are in the country illegally but they’re paying taxes, they’re impacted by the schools and emergency services. They should have a say in it.’”

    I thought of a more succinct way to phrase this: “without representation they shouldn’t be subject to taxation”. It may need a little work, but I think the idea has yet to ever be articulated in US political discourse.

    • Wolf Tracker

      Same for ex felons in my opinion.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      No historical precedent for it.

    • Me not sure

      Needz moar unfair tea tariffs.

  • lucidamente

    I’m sure Dinesh D’Souza was very good at fighting for his place in line at the Dartmouth dining hall.

  • Covfefe

    Why would Dinesh fight and die for his country? Because of some kind of bargain with fellow citizens? I’m at a loss for words.

    • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

      That whole blockquote was a weird combination of almost right, way wrong, and “not even wrong”…

  • lucidamente

    Dinesh D’Souza: stupid person’s idea of what a smart person sounds like, or smart person’s idea of what a stupid person sounds like?

    • Hemp Dogbane

      Yes.

    • Paperless Tiger

      There should probably be a choice with two stupids.

    • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

      Ferengi version of a human…

  • jesuswasablack

    Poor little Dinesh, I’m not sure he can vote cause of that felony conviction and all!
    https://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/mr-hankey.jpg

  • ltmcdies

    on a related note…due process is apparently just a guideline if Lindsay has his way.

    https://twitter.com/fawfulfan/status/908695091467902976

    • Wolf Tracker

      It starts with immigrants and then will be applied to any political opponent.

      Straight from Hitler Mein Kampf.

      • Paperless Tiger

        Well, at least they finally read something besides the Bible.

    • jesterpunk

      Even if it passes it will be overturned during the first court challenge. SCOTUS already settled that a few times.

      http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/immigration/255281-yes-illegal-aliens-have-constitutional-rights

      The U.S. Supreme Court settled the issue well over a century ago. But even before the court laid the issue to rest, a principal author of the Constitution, James Madison, the fourth president of the United States, wrote: “that as they [aliens], owe, on the one hand, a temporary obedience, they are entitled, in return, to their [constitutional] protection and advantage.”

      More recently, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) that “due process” of the 14th Amendment applies to all aliens in the United States whose presence maybe or is “unlawful, involuntary or transitory.”

  • Mpeg

    “social compact…”

    is it me or has ol’ Dinesh confused the word ‘compact’ with its unrelated but similar sounding neighbor “contract”??

    • Daniel

      I think he knows “compact” can mean something similar to “contract” and has chosen to use it that way to sound cleverer than he really is- which he exposes immediately by demonstrating that he doesn’t know what the social contract is.

      • Me not sure

        Is compact simply an agreement on general principles while contract is more specific and enforceable under law?

        • Daniel

          That sounds like a reasonable distinction.

        • Riley Whodat Venable

          I thought it was that thing you kept face powder in.

          • FlownΩver

            To lighten your complexion a shade or two for the Fox cameras?

          • Celtic_Gnome

            Isn’t that all done digitally now?

    • Panika MCD

      he’s using “social compact” correctly, it’s just that his examples show he doesn’t know anything about the law and the way he violates laws shows he doesn’t respect clauses in the social compact which read “don’t be a shitgibbon”.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    I can’t understand how a preening moral scold who cheated on his wife at a Bible conference could be so immune to the concept of irony.

    • Daniel

      You’ve answered your own question.

    • Crystalclear12

      Irony requires a certain level of intelligence to understand.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Self-awareness too, also.

        • Celtic_Gnome

          And it would fuck up the grift.

    • Me not sure

      I can’t understand who would have married the guy or bedded down with him in libertine debauchery under any circumstance.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        He’s a rebel, obvs,

        • Me not sure

          He does have a sort of Prufrock on the beach quality.

          • Daniel

            Next on Fox, we’ll talk of Michaelangelo: is it right children can see his pictures when he was so gay?

          • Me not sure
          • Riley Whodat Venable

            Especially in a church? I mean, idol worshipping Catholics, but still a Church.
            /s

          • Querolous

            True. The mermaids would never sing for him.

          • george lastrapes

            Does he dare to eat a peach?

          • Querolous

            The pit of despair.

      • george lastrapes

        Ann Coulter (AKA the Couthless Runt) had a thang with Dinesh back in the day. Go figure.

    • anon_the_great

      Piles of filthy money. Piles and piles of it.

    • Uncle Mark

      Because he’s also a self-righteous idiot with an outsized ego (that he feels exempts him from the rules us other mortals have to play by) and possesses no talent (if you’ve ever seen his much-maligned propaganda movies.). If you’ve ever seen his movies, you can see he has a wanton proclivity to skirt the truth…in addition to skirting the laws of this country and the laws of his god.

      The dude is a Brown immigrant, denied the right to vote because of his violation of US election laws, while seeking to deny other Brown people the right to vote. He clearly lacks the self-awareness to see the irony…or he’s just too damned bitter.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        I’ve found irony to be a completely foreign concept to Republicans.

      • george lastrapes

        Bitter, undoubtedly.
        He is a Goan, a product of a hybrid culture, Portuguese and Indian, both and neither at the same time. It has been said of Goans, rather unkindly, that they want you to know that they are more Catholic than the Pope and better Europeans than the Portuguese. Add to that the Jesuitical sophistry of a high school debater, an excellent education, a cynical notion of truth and a squirming sycophancy; what results is a nasty mix of moral certitude and ethical laxity. He bears the burden of a bright man who would like to be a genius.
        Who does he have for company? Newt, Bill Kristol, la Coulter. One definition of Hell, certainly.

  • Crystalclear12

    OT
    I am guessing the St. Louis verdict didn’t go well.
    I work for the state and I just got a notice to be safe and be aware of my surroundings.

    • jesterpunk

      Not guilty on all counts.

      • Crystalclear12

        Of course.
        Damn.

    • Wolf Tracker

      If you wear a uniform you might want to leave it at the office to travel home.

      Some angry people out there today.

    • Riley Whodat Venable

      Shit. Be safe.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    I’m just saying, Fuckwitistan is not sending us their best and brightest. They’re sending convicted felons, they’re sending sexual harassers, and some, I assume, are both.

  • bookish

    National Hurricane Center- Atlantic is monitoring three Atlantic/Caribbean storms: Jose, plus two other developing storms as yet unnamed.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/NHC_Atlantic

    • btwbfdimho

      The unnamed ones are actually named after illegal immigrants.

      • bookish

        Lock them up!

  • Spurning Beer

    Only citizens can vote in American Idol, right?

    • Msgr_MΩment

      It’s right there in the title, now, idnit?

    • anon_the_great

      Uh, I’ve got some bad news for you about A.I.

    • btwbfdimho

      Illegal immigrants will be able to vote in American Suicidol, instead.

      • Daniel

        Trump voters prefer American Idle.

  • WIDTAP

    It would be absolutely horrible if “those” people participated in the communities in which they lived, had a voice in the development of residential and business areas, engaged with local policing and neighborhood watches, were active in school boards and park management. Next thing you know, they will want to attend our colleges and displace native students.

    How are the rest of us supposed to enjoy the lifestyle for which we have become accustomed if there isn’t a permanent underclass to laud it over?

  • Dinesh D’Souza is just bucking for a pardon from Trump to expunge his stanky record.

  • proudgrampa

    What in hell is a D’Souza?

    A brass instrument?

  • SayItWithWookies

    For example, why would I fight for my country and die for you if you wouldn’t be willing to do the same for me? So, this is a very reciprocal deal.

    So every veteran should ask what Dinesh D’Souza’s done for them lately — before revoking his citizenship.

    • WIDTAP

      I am thinking that this is Dinesh D’Souza’s way of getting the Amish shipped back to Switzerland.

      • Daniel

        Which would be much easier if Democrats hadn’t removed all the sea around it.

      • Old town Urbandale

        Yeah, stupid Amish with their ironic hipster beards.

  • Jo Mathie

    I don’t get this “voter fraud ” thing. You won, Republicans/GOP. You got exactly the president that you deserved. Why the hell are you still complaining? Even in the incredibly unlikely event that a few people voted illegally, what difference does it make at this point? You’ve still got someone that even Anne Bloody Coulter thinks should be impeached as president.

    • Belasaurius

      they’re complaining cause Hillz won the popular vote.

    • Wolf Tracker

      They know they can’t hold on to power with their bad political agenda so they want to eliminate people that might vote Dem like immigrants.

    • Debbie the Unpaid Protester

      They can’t stand it that Hitlery got ANY votes, and want to try to explain those away.

      • Belasaurius

        all 63 million. Well shit guess I’m an illegal voter

        • Debbie the Unpaid Protester

          You should be deported.

          • Debbie the Unpaid Protester

            I wrote that as a joke, of course– but reading it now, it looks so horrible. I’ll never say that again, even in jest.

          • WIDTAP

            Just add “To Wisconsin” at the end and it works.

          • Debbie the Unpaid Protester

            I live in Minnesota, and grew up hearing Wisconsin and Iowa jokes, so this is hilarious to me.

          • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

            Best thing ever to come out of Iowa: empty bus.

          • theblackdog

            “Loki, was Wisconsin really that bad?”

          • Celtic_Gnome

            You Monster!

          • Belasaurius

            as long as I’m sent back to the Netherlands where my people came from

          • Me not sure

            Good luck with that sea rise.

          • Walter Wellstone

            I’m self-deporting to Costa Rica for good in November, 2018, right after casting my “illegal” (because I won’t vote for any motherfucking Republican) vote.

          • Celtic_Gnome

            I’m jealous. This woman lives in Costa Rica and speaks highly of it.

            http://www.allhatnocattle.net/

    • Me not sure

      They have to pare down the voting rolls to keep this shit show going.

    • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

      Because brown people might vote. Hell, they tried to reach out to Hispanics and we got a border wall and deportations.

    • Daniel

      On a different site I hang out on there is a persistent troll. He asserted Trump’s voter fraud claims were right.
      Trump claimed 3-5 million people voted illegally, all for Clinton.
      12 instances of voter fraud were discovered.
      All 12 were Republicans.
      This, the troll claims, validates Trump’s accusation.

      What they want, badly, is to prove Trump is popular. And to disenfranchise anyone who doesn’t vote GOP.

      • bupkus231

        “What they want, badly, is to prove Trump is popular.”

        Because then they would be popular, too – right?

        • Résistance Land Shark Ω

          Be able to sit at the cool kids table …

          • FlownΩver

            They think. Trump runs the cool kids’ table like Regina George.

          • Celtic_Gnome

            Besides, THIS is the cool kids’ table.

    • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

      RAF: Resentment (that they didn’t get their way), Anger (that they’re not getting their way), and Fear (that they’re not gonna get their way). As long as any one of those conditions obtains, they can never be happy, it’s always someone else’s fault, and The Others are the easiest targets.

    • Walter Wellstone

      They know their demographic niche is dwindling. They can’t reach out to the greater population because most Americans are not white supremacists. So, they will do the only thing they can do to stay in power: ensure only the white supremacist bloc is allowed to vote.

    • BigCSouthside

      It’s not about the election. They know they have a limited window to cheat and protect their waning privilege before America wises up and elects Dems to unfuck everything. Again. Like always.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      I think they’re looking for consistent results down the road.

  • btwbfdimho

    Wait, so Lewandowski goes to Harvard and D’Souza to Brown University?

  • btwbfdimho
    • Wolf Tracker

      Over 5,00 of them are Muslim.

    • The Wanderer

      How many foreigners are in the US military?

      Leaving out the Native Americans? AOT, K.

      • Riley Whodat Venable

        It’s almost like this country was built on an Indian Burial Ground.

  • YoBunnyBunny

    And the whole idea of letting non-citizens vote, and shape the governmental process, that falls outside the social compact.

    Dunno about anybody else, but I consider the act of voting itself a civic responsibility. What better way to engage with and be apart of your community than actually making a contribution by actually paying attention to the hard work of administrating local governments. Giving a damn about all those things unsexy boring things, like how often the trash gets collected.

    Also too, I’m a bit annoyed by this military fetishistic line that the ONLY way you can serve the country is by being in the military (or a police officer). Ummm, being a contributing member can include anything that involves helping people who are Not You live their lives and be productive as well (teachers, tutors, coaches, volunteers, etc.).

    • Historicat

      That really should be a double-upfist for you. Voting is 100% a civic responsibility. And the fetishization of uniforms is out of control.

  • Jeffery Campbell

    As a convicted felon, isn’t D’Souza a “brown illegal?”

    So please be gone, my dipshit-ee, and when I convict ya, just say to me
    It’s D’Souza, it’s d’booza, it’s d’portable, it’s d’plorable
    It’s dilemma, it’s de limit, it’s deluxe, it’s de-lovely.

    [Sorry Cole Porter. But you’d hate this guy too.]

  • John McLaughlin

    Dinesh has the grifting part down pat…now he just has to clean up his felon image to get that next university president job. The funny thing is that Dinesh could have made more money if Hillary was elected. Trump has messed up Dinesh’s grifting potential bigly.

  • Wolf Tracker

    D’Sousa’s arguments are the same used against women, immigrants, Blacks and Native Americans to prevent them from voting in the past.

    Americans take voting for granted now but women only got the right to vote in 1920 and in some states ex felons are still not allowed to vote.

  • btwbfdimho

    And the whole idea of letting non-citizens vote, and shape the governmental process, that falls outside the social compact.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6e37777ac662765689fd58b37ce5ee75346b92b379a47f9f17bcfcb54c1ca7e6.png

    • James Baskin

      The literal translation of ‘de nada’ is ‘its nothing.’
      I disagree with that statement’s literal meaning. A person’s backbreaking, poorly compensated labor is definitely something.

      • wobbly

        “De nada” is the Spanish equivalent of “you’re welcome”, as an answer to “thank you” . The point of the post is that America’s food gets to our tables thanks largely to the work of undocumented immigrants, many of them named Jesus.

        • James Baskin

          I got that.

      • Magyar Has Had It Up To Here

        You disagree with the Spanish language?

        • James Baskin

          The Portuguese also say de nada. But more formally, it’s abrigado/agrigadah. Not sure what the formal reply in Spanish is.

      • Beanz&Berryz

        I know. I get that the language convention is “de nada,” but I balk at that. I used to reply to someone thanking me with “no problem.” I’ve come back to “you’re welcome.” Acknowledging the thank they gave…

        • TundraGrifter

          I can’t stand it when an employee being paid for work says “No problem” to me. I really don’t care if it’s a fucking problem or not. I just want it done.

          This, by the way, has nothing to do with very hard working people in agriculture. I think it’s terrible and a stain on America that we have made such little progress since Edward R. Morrow’s “Harvest of Shame.” Eva Longoria used her name and fame to produce “Food Chains” and I applaud her for working to make a difference in the lives of others. Kevin Costner, also, for his recent role in the Disney movie where he – the most famous actor in the film – took a back seat on the credits to advance others.

  • Pancakes please!

    Dinesh D’Souza:
    Brown
    Immigrant
    Felon

    So when is Trump deporting him again?
    He seems to check all the RWNJ boxes.

  • JohnBull

    Let them vote, and soon they’ll be wanting other rights, like equal housing.
    Medicinal wine from a teaspoon, then beer from a bottle!

    • ImGoingBacon

      From the great mind of Emily Litella: ‘Why make Puerto Rico a steak? Next thing you know, they’ll want a salad bar too”

  • Pancakes please!

    Someone needs to tell D’Souza that making dopey movies about how America will be in the future is not a documentary, it’s science fiction.

    • JohnBull

      More people saw John Carter than his awful flick, but that’s because all the liberals on Rotten Tomatoes. It’s never his fault.

      • Daniel

        This is true for everyone in the party of personal responsibility.

      • Pancakes please!

        “The party of personal responsibility”

      • harryr

        I liked John Carter. It’s rubbish, but it’s good Saturday night, not really paying attention rubbish.

  • Riley Whodat Venable

    A “Social Contract”? Seems like Mr. D’Souza isn’t good with those, as evidenced by his attending a conference with a woman (not his wife) back before his Greybar Hotel stay.
    Why can’t the Right get Bobby Jindal to be their South Asian shill. He is smarter, writes better, doesn’t cheat on his wife, and isn’t a convicted felon. He has also never run a fake University.

    • ImGoingBacon

      Speaking of which, what ever happened to ‘Bobby’ Jindal? After he left office, he seems to have disappeared.

      • cmd resistor

        Now that you guys have invoked his name, he is going to appear.

      • Riley Whodat Venable

        He’s running his own think tank. Or so he says. I think he is laundering money for the RNC. He has always had contacts in DC. He ran Medicare for W for a while in the Oughts.

  • James Baskin

    Dinesh gets erections about elections.

  • Beanz&Berryz

    I finally realized… very belatedly… Dinesh.. Coulter.. et al. … really are nothing but trolls.. professional… broadcasted trolls… I knew it in a way, but hadn’t put it quite in those terms before, in my mind… It’s a little calming to realize it… just evil manipulative fuckers TRYING to get under our skin… Now, if there were just a banhammer of America… Dok?

    • Rick Hill

      “Why is America so terrible now?” all the while fronting for the wealthy that are the ones doing the destroying. Oh, wait. I’m wrong. Its Adam and steve wanting to g married, Felicia that doesn’t want another child and needs reliable BC and Jose who is cutting your grass for half the price of a white guy that is destroying our country

  • The Wanderer

    Wait a tick. Doesn’t D’boozah have a not-pale skin? I swear, this schlub makes Piyush Jindal look like a deep thinker.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      He can tell the right Browns for the wrong Browns… The wrong ones are criminals, for example. oh wait…

    • suziq

      Does not own mirror, obviously.

    • Riley Whodat Venable

      Bobby Jindal is a smart, well educated guy. That is why he is so dangerous.

  • Anna Rompage

    Um, so if a local community supports comprehensive immigration reform, that includes giving amnesty to undocumented people who have been here for a period of time, what exactly is the issue with giving those folks the right to vote in local elections?

    This is what pisses me off about these fright wing, dim witted, hoofwanking bunglecucks; they talk about the evils of big govt, and supposedly fight for local municipalities having more control over thier jurisdiction, but as soon as any community takes the steps to make their citizens lives better, say by legalizing same sex marriage, boosting minimum wage, supporting women’s reproductive health, sanctuary cities, etc, they freak the fuck out and try to pass state or federal legislation banning the city from doing what they want

  • Rick Hill

    Also, too, Dave Neiwert at his blog, Orcinus, many years ago detailed just how much that undocumented citizens actually paid into the system that they receive few benefits from. they pay a greater percentage of their income in taxes than trump ever will.
    This was something he wrote many years ago so I cannot point to it.
    http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/

    • Rick Hill

      He’s also written in great detail about right wing violence and other fun topics

  • Uncle Mark

    Oh, the bitter irony. Brown legal immigrant, denied the right to vote by violating election laws is all bitter and angry that brown “illegal” immigrants can allegedly vote.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    why would I fight for my country and die for you if you wouldn’t be willing to do the same for me?

    Why don’t you ask Donald “Having sex in the ’80’s was my personal Vietnam” Trump that question, asshole?

    /FFS

  • sincarne

    “For example, why would I fight for my country and die for you if you wouldn’t be willing to do the same for me?”

    Lots of people are fighting in American wars, Dinesh. You don’t seem to be willing to do that.

    • Riley Whodat Venable

      He’s a felon. The Military won’t take him. And for good reason.

  • TundraGrifter

    What do you think of “Conflicted Felon” as a Wonkette screen name?

    I ask for a friend.

  • Parakeetist

    Why is this idiot speaking?

    I have to spray this room with Felon-Away.

  • Cock Blockula

    I am so tired of Fox and other news outlets letting people with clear personality disorders and mental health issues guide the discourse in our country.

    Sorry, no snark today. I’ve got Dumbass Fatigue*

    *This should be a bona fide condition. I’m treating mine by tuning out for a few days…

    • Parakeetist

      I think they have prescriptions.

      • Plushinobi

        Naw. It’s over the counter. Just take 2-3 oz. of vodka. Repeat as necessary until the symptoms go away.

    • Canned Covfefe

      Take care. We’ll see you when you get back.

  • Lefty Wright

    Yeah, why is Dinesh spending time worrying about handful of non citizens voting in College Park Maryland when he could be working on disenfranchising thousands of students living there. And they can vote in national elections. Priorities, man!!!

  • Relativicus

    “But the point is, after his death, the federal government made it possible for Gutierrez to gain his citizenship posthumously.”

    Oh. I thought the point was that Dinesh D’Souza never served or fought for this country? I’m bad at points.

    • SDGeoff3

      Practice with me. Let’s point and laugh at the Bad Penny.

    • ImGoingBacon

      Also too, does this mean I can walk up to someone who was born in this country, and I know they weren’t in the military, and tell them ‘I put my life on the line for you, but you didn’t do it for me’?

  • SerialParkingViolator

    I resent your hating all over Starship Troopers. Not cool, man. Not cool.

    • covfefesumgame0005

      the book was good the movie was trash only signed off by RAH because he was in a hurry to get ANY of his books on film

      • Ray in VT

        When did he sell the movie right? He died in 1988, so that final product may not have been what anyone had in mind at the time.

        • covfefesumgame0005

          very possible, it sure does suck major ass

          • Ray in VT

            The movie? It’s not a great piece of film making or anything, but I find it quite enjoyable for what it is.

          • covfefesumgame0005

            hell, even the book is able to be destroyed with one simple question. in the part when the kid is in school the teacher defends genocide because it kept Rome stable. of course the REAL follow-up question is, if it helped so much where is the Roman Empire now? nonetheless the book is fun, the movie is just a poster for war without any reason at all

          • Ray in VT

            I don’t recall that exact bit (I read the book about 20 years ago). Was it in reference to Roman treatment of the Gauls? I mean I think that it is true that brutal repression and large scale violence against other peoples can work to the advantage of a nation or empire, although it won’t work forever. While the Roman military machine was very effective for a long time, it ultimately struggled to hold long frontiers against new and renewed adversaries, combined with domestic issues, such as increasing authoritarianism and disease, such as the Antonine and Cyprian plagues.

            At any rate, the book did make me think about some ideas in different ways, and I enjoyed it. I have to say, sometimes I just like a flick that blows a bunch of stuff up, and Starship Troopers does a good job there. Clancy Brown is good, and who doesn’t like NPH?

          • covfefesumgame0005

            Carthage as I recall

          • Ray in VT

            Oh yeah. I forgot about the Punic Wars. Well, Carthage did cease to be a problem, and it was almost another 300 years before the Republic and then the Empire reached its zenith.

          • covfefesumgame0005

            and very very short-term

      • SerialParkingViolator

        So this resulted in a serious conversation about the movie. Truly not my intent. My bad. Carry on.

    • doktorzoom

      Oh, I think the movie’s a brilliant satire. The novel? Hard to say if Heinlein was serious or pulling a Poe.

      But D’Souza’s version would be sincere, fascisty, and badly acted.

      • JustDon’tSayDignity

        Judging by other Heinlein books, he was serious. Hard to believe an entire career pulling a Poe.

      • Ray in VT

        I love that movie for the type of satire that Veerhoeven does. Well, that and the copious amounts of blowing stuff up.

        I absolutely love the book too, although it did make me question some of Heinlein’s personal beliefs.

      • Mavenmaven

        In his version, he gets to do Denise Richards.

      • SerialParkingViolator

        My apologies, Dok. I was awkward and clumsily being silly. I agree the movie is a wonderful satire and I didn’t really think you were being a hater on ST1. On the other hand, you can hate on the sequels all you want. And this new animated reboot I’m hearing about? WTF.

        • doktorzoom

          I never doubted you for a moment. I trust you as implicitly as I trust Doogie Howser, Nazi Doctor. ;)

  • BreakingDeadMen

    D’ouche

  • An Outhouse for the résistance

    A political party is mainly interested in getting votes? Get outta here!

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      “There’s a divergence between the interests of a political party and the fundamental meaning of citizenship.”

      He’s correct in this, though. For instance, the interests of the Republican Party are enshrined in lowering taxes for the rich and ensuring a future white ethno state, which really has nothing to do with the fundamental meaning of citizenship. Tragic.

    • Mavenmaven

      The GOP finds it easier to simply redraw district lines than get out the vote.

  • An Outhouse for the résistance

    Being undocumented is some kind of civil infraction. You still get to vote, unlike CONVICTED FELONS.

  • VirginiaWackelpudding

    Foreigners taking over our elections? Never happen. Just ask POTUS Putin.

  • susan_g

    I would suggest always preceding his name with “felon”, as a psa.

    • cmd resistor

      I thought it was “convicted felon.”

  • FlownΩver

    “By their douchebros shall ye know them.”

    – The Bible, I think

  • The Librarian

    These are local elections, ffs. These people live there and pay into the system. Oh, I get it, now. What I should have said is GOP election fraudster worried about Dems? He should be worried about his own evil party. They Shoot Browns, Don’t They?

  • Viktor

    He wrote a book called ” The Big Lie” . Obviously it was a book about his previous marriage and cheating scandal. Good to see he has re married a conservative woman . Good luck to his wife, Dinesh is a horn dawg.

  • Jim

    What a D’ipshit.

  • Bub, the cynical zombie

    Dinesh is D’elusional.

    “What’s brown and sounds like a bell?

    D’ung!”

  • SKruetheratbassedarDs

    D’nesh d’knows d’felonies

  • Randy Riddle

    Election fraud’s his grift and, gosh darn it, he’s not letting go of it.

  • armed_bears
  • Kooolest G

    hey D’nesh and D’oocy, they’re not talking about undocumented or people that are here illegally, (they mean messicans) they’re talking about non citizens. I know a woman who moved to america in the 60s to marry an american, had 2 american born children and finally got her citizenship in the 90s. she waited so long because it was expensive and a pain in the ass. so explain why she shouldn’t get to vote on who’s on the school board?

    • ACertainFish

      Wellllllll…. where I live in MD, you don’t have to prove anything except that you live in the city. A cable bill, lease, car registration… pretty much anything with your address on it. You don’t have to be documented to vote in our city elections. And this is fine; undocumented residents pay taxes and live in the city and have rights.

  • Bitter Scribe

    the Democrats are more keen to get their votes than they are to get to send them to school

    Oh really? Which party consistently tries to defund schools? Which party was behind that proposition in California to keep “illegal immigrant children” out of school? Hint: It wasn’t the Democrats.

    • phoenix00

      Two words: Betsy. DeVos.

  • Thorn Spike

    Oh, dear. A conservative daring to speak of a “social compact with certain rights and responsibilities.” That’s going to hurt down the road.

  • Magic Juan

    Astounding the brown folks that think Fox likes them because they repeat the shit fox says. I can just hear the fox fucks talking shit and laughing their asses off about them when they aren’t in the room. Hell they probably do some of it it front of them.

  • Zyxomma

    I’ve never given a thought to Dinesh deFelon, and am not about to start. Funny, I was thinking about Starship Troopers tagline of “Service Guarantees Citizenship” just yesterday. Great minds, and all that.

  • Poly_Ester

    “Conservative Thought Leader” is an oxymoron, especially if its Dinesh.

    • TundraGrifter

      On the other hand, you could make a strong case that’s the easiest job around. Better than teaching anti-sexual harassment training at Fox News Corp., and that position is a fucking day at the beach.

    • george lastrapes

      Didn’t we all know such as him in high school? The bright guy who thought he was a genius. Not good at anything, right about anything, useful for anything- but a genius, self-proclaimed (and usually egged-on and enabled by an over-protective mother). Dinesh, Tucker Quarrelsome, Bill Kristol- why are they all conservative thought leaders? What in hell does that mean? They are credentialed to do our thinking for us?

  • ACertainFish

    For the record, my friends, the City of Takoma Park, MD (straddling the DC/MD border) has been allowing non-citizens to vote in municipal elections for some time. It’s gone pretty well. We also allow 16 year olds to vote in municipal elections and, in the case of my kid, be chosen to nominate the mayor in her re-election bid.

    As for non-citizens, at this week’s nominating caucus, a Hispanic immigrant woman, non-citizen expressed her heartfelt gratitude at belonging to a community that makes her feel so welcome and at home. She gave her speech in both English and Spanish and there weren’t many dry eyes in the house.

  • sgt. jmk of the résistance

    It’s cute how the Foxers now imply that ANY non-citizen must be an ill-eagle.

    For someone who claims to be an academic, Dinesh sure skimps on the basic research:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in_the_United_States

  • Lulu’s Mom

    Oh, so THIS is why the office shitlerite blowhard is yammering about how brilliant DiGnash is……

    • Just go….the guy convicted of fellony election fraud you mean? And smile

  • whitroth

    Dok, got a second here: I have a friend who was born in South America, and fought as a Marine in ‘Nam… and *then* they gave him all sorts of shit, to make his becoming a citizen harder.

    And hey, Dinesh is an immigrant. How’d he get to overstay his student visa? How’d he buy his way in? Was that under those Evil Clintons, who want all sorts to come to the US, like that antiAmerican piece of propaganda, about “Give me your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free”?

    Sleeze has no shame.

  • therblig

    gee, judging by their turnout, non-citizens are just like other Americans.

  • TundraGrifter

    To down to the Mexican border and cross over to TJ. Look at the butt ugly wall America built and you’ll see the names of many people who served in the US Military and were promised citizenship for that. Instead, they were deported to Mexico. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9eea1f6faebd76ed297fcebb8d2ba44975e858fd81124c03a6933091e0e132f2.jpg

    [Names are on the left]

    • phoenix00

      “What God has joined together, let man not separate”

      I seem to recall reading that in some holy book somewhere….

      • TundraGrifter

        Vegas for marriage. Reno for divorce.

        • phoenix00

          Your one-stop now-you’re-hitched-now-you’re-not shop.

          • TundraGrifter

            The old Unhitching Post.

  • richardgrabman

    Um… up into the 1920s, most municipalities in the United States let all adult residents, citizen or not, vote. So did the majority of states in state elections.

  • Celtic_Gnome

    I liked Starship Troopers. It definitely wasn’t the book. No surprise there. It was basically a World War II movie set in the future with big bugs instead of Nazis.

    That being said, if Dinesh D’Loser did a remake of Starship Troopers, I would not watch it.

    And you couldn’t make me.

  • Keith Taylor

    Right wing lawbreakers really are consistent in their claims that they were not prosecuted for breaking the law, but for their political or religious beliefs, aren’t they? D’Souza, Jim Bakker, Kent Hovind … I can’t cite a tenth of them, but the list is probably long.
    And now that I’m pondering this subject, I can’t help going back a long way to Chariots of the Gods man Erich von Daniken, who once asked plaintively (with regard to his conviction in court for faking a credit record on a loan application, forging cheques and embezzling from a hotel where he worked) “What if Jesus of Nazareth had been in trouble with the law, would that lessen his stature as a religious teacher?” Or words very similar to that, and to that precise effect.
    Classic.
    And naturally he didn’t mention the precise charges on that occasion. When do they?

  • John Schalles

    I knew him slightly as an undergrad; he was an annoying little jerk then, and he hasn’t improved with age

  • phoenix00

    When reached for comment, Kris Kobach was seen looking the other way.

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  • John McLaughlin

    Dinesh is one smooth operator. He is able to grift to the max after being shown to be a fraud and now a felon. I guess he fancies himself some sort of a major film star.

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