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Happy book release day, Hillary!

Today is the day! It’s the scheduled release date for Hillary Clinton’s new book, These Words Will Enrage Certain Weirdos, And It’s Entirely Unclear Why, and we’re writing about Hillary Clinton again! Yes, we wrote about her yesterday, and this morning, but we’re following up either A) just to annoy you, B) because we like her or C) a savory combination of A and B.

For serious, though, Hillz was on the CBS “Sunday Morning” television program this weekend, and she gave a good interview, so we decided to share this bit she said about Bernie Sanders. We know, we’re supposed to be harmoniously healing from the primary and never saying a bad thing about Bernie because he is the king of us and people concerned with the future of the Democratic Party shouldn’t ever point out that Bernie isn’t even a Democrat, or that he’s made clear he doesn’t give a solitary fuck about the party.

(Obligatory sidenote, for saying something nice about Bernie Sanders: Single-payer healthcare is GREAT! We are glad all kinds of Democratic senators are hopping on the train with him, presenting a united front on an issue that really does unite us, even if maundering hacks like Chris Cillizza and Joe Scarborough never can seem to figure out what Democrats are for. And we are glad for the passion Sanders inspired in lots of people! OK that’s enough for now.)

In the clip, Hillary puts her deplorable foot in her mouth by saying the following thing is true, just because it happens to be true:

  • “I won a landslide victory in the primary.”

WHOA WHOA WHOA, HILDEGARD OF BENGHAZI, WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING RIGHT NOW? Isn’t it a proven fact that Hillary #RIGGED the primary by getting early endorsements and convincing the base of the Democratic party to like her more, to the point that several million more people voted for her? That is unfair and unkind.

Let’s have a full quote:

I know what it’s like to win and I know what it’s like to lose. And when I lost to Barack Obama, I immediately turned around, I endorsed him, I worked for him, I convinced my supporters to work for him. I didn’t get the same respect from my primary opponent. And a lot of his supporters continued to harass and go after my supporters, all the time.

And that feeds in, I think, to the whole sexism and misogyny part of this campaign. I had large groups of supporters who had to be private because if they lifted their head up online, if they were responding on a YouTube comment chain or on Twitter or something, they were just attacked, and the attacks were so sexist about “well you’re supporting a woman because you’re a woman!” […]

I think a lot of what he churned up in the primary campaign was very hurtful in the general election against me. […] He doesn’t disown the things they say about … some of my favorite Democrats, people like Kamala Harris, who is out there speaking up and speaking out and she’s being attacked from the left. Enough!

You know, if you don’t want to support Democrats, then go somewhere else, but if you are willing to work with us, we’re gonna have disagreements. We’re going to be pushing and pulling to get to the right solutions. I’ve been for universal healthcare coverage my entire adult life. I’ve worked to achieve it. And we got closer than we ever had with the Affordable Care Act. I was defending it, he wanted to start over. We were at 90% coverage. I thought that was significant.

This is just … true. Goddammit, Hillary, stop it with your quote-unquote “REALITY.” How many times did we hear about people “voting with their vaginas” during the primary? Many. How many times have we pushed back against insane, out-of-left-field attacks on Kamala Harris? HERE and HERE are two examples of that.

During the 2008 Democratic primary, if you were around for that, things got VICIOUS. There was a particularly obnoxious online movement of Hillary supporters called the PUMAs (Party Unity, MAss — sound familiar?) and they were GRRR and ARGH and threatening to blow everything up because Hillary Clinton had lost the primary fair and square. She did not put up with that shit from her own people. She showed up, she embraced Barack Obama wholeheartedly, as personally painful as it must have been for her.

(She details this in the early pages of her book Hard Choices, which you can buy along with your copy of What Happened, if you haven’t yet done so!)

If you dive into the numbers, it actually seems that fewer Sanders supporters rejected Hillary than Hillary supporters rejected Obama in 2008. (Like we said, that primary was BRUTAL. It also should give us hope for <insert platitude here about time healing all wounds>.) So that’s good!

But how nice would it have been if Bernie Sanders had really fought for Hillary Clinton? How much could he have helped prevent the little situation we’re in right now where, despite Hillary winning the popular vote by millions, 77,000 voters in the Rust Belt were able to hand the election to Donald Trump? We are just saying.

Candidates and politicians have a lot of power to move their supporters. This is why we constantly demand Donald Trump disavow his white supremacist Nazi adorers. How much difference would it make, now, if Bernie stood next to his colleague Kamala Harris, in a mutual display of “Knock that shit off, assholes”? We are just asking questions.

In other terrible Hillary news, she told USA Today that she’s “convinced” the Trump campaign colluded with Russia in some way to win, which is also obviously true, but GOD, HILLARY, WHY CAN’T YOU JUST ADMIT YOU LOST BECAUSE YOU’RE SHRILL AND UNLIKABLE AND A FAKE CRIER AND PROBABLY HAVE PNEUMONIA AT ALL TIMES?

Gee willikers.

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  • dslindc

    Facts have a known liberal bias!

  • Arolpin

    But won’t someone think of the poor white males? After only 43 presidencies in a row, they were looking at being shut out for two whole administrations (except for probably 60% of the staffers and 66% of the SC and about 90% of Congress and all the think tanks and campaign consultants etc etc).

    • shivaskeeper

      43. President Obama was 44 and he was assuredly not a white male.

      • Arolpin

        Corrected my typo, thanks.
        Though I could say that I’m counting Edith Wilson, but that would break the streak, so I’m going to stick with typo and not enough coffee.

        • shivaskeeper

          I will refresh.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      She LITERALLY covered this just this morning on NPR. That’s still the narrative; she didn’t connect with white males, and white people were suffering from despair.

      So don’t worry, whitey! You will not be forgotten!

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Pizza-parlor child-slavery-ring honcho and Benghaziing on her personal server monster says what now?

    • dslindc

      Careful! She will Vince Foster body count you so hard!

  • Manders

    Can we please get rid of the troll in the other Hillary thread? I realize this person has come here to say non-trolly things in the past, but they’ve gone troll once too many times about Hillary in particular for my tastes.

    • Shanzgood

      The Guns one? Yeah, he also posted links to the thread and invited his Trumpanzee buddies over for to trigguh some libruls.

      • SomeBigRedDog

        I think she means the wolf one, who goes all trolly on one thread, hops over to another thread and says something nice and then acts like a victim when people yell at it.

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          I’ve had more constructive disagreements with toddlers.

        • Vincent Ricola

          Is the wolf a troll? I’ve been nice to it because it sounded like all the other Bernie bros I’ve interacted with online, but now I’m wondering if I should’ve been meaner.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            it gets weird from time to time.

          • The Flaming Carrot

            I was mean enough for both of us. And now, would you please pass me a cough drop? I am hoarse from yelling at the Wolf.

          • Manders

            He’s just posting the same post over and over again now.

        • coozledad

          I was wondering why he oscillates from outright ass kissing to resentment. “How to win friends and leverage your stank”, I guess.

        • The Flaming Carrot

          It posted some molecular biology article, and like a fool I fell for it. Then I realized it didn’t know basic geography, and based on that, I inferred that it didn’t know doodly squat about molecular biology. Fool me once, shame on me, I guess.

  • IdRatherBeDancing

    Queue the butthurt from the Bernouts. LMAO. Oh, and fuck Bernie Sanders.

  • Ryan Denniston

    I for one cannot wait for the primaries to be over!

    • BreakingDeadMen

      Don’t hold your breath, Dad

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    I just realized I was active on Wonkette during the Obama/Hillary primaries and the former owner (Ken Layne?) was always bitching about pantsuit Hillary and Wonkette commenters were pretty compliant in this view. it this an entire different crowd now?

    • Vincent Ricola

      I liked Obama and I liked Hillary and I liked snark jokes. Somehow I made this mesh together into the ability to keep my snark jokes and my actual votes separate.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        fair enough.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      I preferred Obama over Hillary and I think we were united in hating the PUMAS. It was a War Blog back then.

      That said, Ken’s hatred for a number of female politicians led me to take several long breaks from Wonkette. I despised Sarah Palin, but Ken had one rant about how terrible she was because she was eating a snack while sitting on a lounge chair beside a pool.

      • cleos_mom

        If PUMA didn’t exist, someone would have invented it by now.

    • Mpeg

      Hahahahaa “is this an entirely different crowd now”

      *looks at all the retweets and uploaded animated GIFs*

      – — don’t get me started!?! ;)

      As for your particular point: yes, I recall at that time still being fairly disenchanted with Bill and the Whitewater crap and some nefarious aspects of the Foundation he HQ’d in harlem, but, probably was unfair to project that onto Hillary per se.
      People’s perception of her obvs evolved, even transcended those earlier misgivings but I think those misgivings are still there, too.

    • Michael Smith

      I was still in college, and I didn’t know what a Wonkette was. I was also drunk.

  • “IDJIT LOVES BERNIE”?

    • cleos_mom

      Upvoted for the early 1960s TV reference.

  • coozledad

    The Democratic party will never be the party of non-sex having cargo shorted Pokemon playing geeks, and that’s just Fascism, man.

    • FlownΩver

      At least it’s an ethos.

  • Jeffery Campbell

    But her emails! You didn’t endlessly, mindlessly, and act-freely start, liberally sprinkle throughout, and end your article with a mindless recitation of her emails. Therefore you entire premise is invalid.

    • coozledad

      It was her reaction to Chris Cilliza, not the emails.

    • Stulexington

      Also you didn’t mention how unlikable she was once!

      • The Flaming Carrot

        And also shrill.

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          Also her voice

          • The Flaming Carrot

            My favorite right wing psycho lady constantly complains about the size of her derriere, which is interesting, since Trump’s derriere is much larger.

          • Roadstergal

            I hope to look half as good as her when I’m her age.

          • I hope to look as good as her when I’m half her age.

          • Bad Tom

            No one has mentioned pantsuits yet.
            Her pantsuits!

          • Robyn Ryan

            That deep flaw where her penis should be.

    • Bad Tom

      Auribus teneo lupum ipso post facto Caesar non supra grammaticos reductio ad absurdum
      Quantum Leap
      QED

  • ahh_2_2

    She accused him of costing her the election by daring to actually think Democrats should have a contested Democratic presidential primary. Oh an not being a actual registered Democrat (who actually gives a fuck) but who is probably one of the most solid Democratic votes in the Senate. Gee what a scumbag.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      “Democrats should have a contested Democratic presidential primary. Oh an not being a actual registered Democrat (who actually gives a fuck) ”

      These two sentences contradict one another.

      • ahh_2_2

        If Bernie did run as an independent, he actually would have spoiled the election.

        • FlownΩver

          So, no difference?

          • noway123456789

            lol Bernie did not cost her the election. He gave her more of his share of his base than she gave to Obama. And yet Obama won handily and she did not.

            So this is all on her. She’s the one that lost. It’s really impossible to blame Bernie from a factual standpoint and yet you idiots still do it.

      • cleos_mom

        Coherence is the venue of people with “book smarts.”

        You know.

        Those pretentious folks who occasionally use words with more than two syllables.

    • Stulexington

      Oversimplification of a complex issue, boy my bingo card is filling up fast today.

      • ahh_2_2

        Unless those excerpts were false or she qualified them in subsequent pages with “Boy my initial thoughts were really unfair and over simplified, let explain with more nuance.”

        • Stulexington

          Argelbargel! Another one, thanks!

    • The writing was very clearly on the wall that Bernie was going to lose, and he dug his heels in and kept it going for MONTHS, when we all could have been focusing on the general election… He didn’t “cost” her the election, but he was one hell of a contributing factor.

      • ahh_2_2

        Like Hillary sticking it out until summer 2008 before getting out? Bernie’s excuse was he was in it promote his policy agenda at the DNC. Her excuse was…. Who knows. I don’t condemn her for sticking it out until the last votes were counted, but I guess you can’t do that if it involves the Clintons.

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          Bernie did serious damage to the party and the general election prospects. Clinton had a much better chance against Obama and probably got out a bit late, but at least she was not actively sabotaging the party with false alllegations.

          • Roadstergal

            She might have held out a bit longer than ideal, but when she was done, she was _all in_ for Obama. I was for Hillz in 2008, but I went to Obama 100% in the general, and her public speeches and statements sure didn’t hurt.

            Bernie definitely gave her the most tepid support that ever called itself by that name.

          • ahh_2_2
          • noway123456789

            Tepid? Hell, he campaigned for her in states SHE didn’t even bother showing up in. That’s more than she ever did for Obama. And as a result of his hard work, he ended up getting her MORE of his share of his base to go Clinton in the general than she managed to get her base to go Obama in 2008. So what the fuck are you talking about with tepid?

          • ahh_2_2

            Seriously how so? Bernie pulled his punches with her (to her credit so did she). When you get your butt kicked in numerous primaries by a underfunded 70 something obscure socialist, then the problem is her, not him. She would have made a good president but was a terrible candidate. There is a reason Obama was recruited to run against her the last time. For some reason the Democrats took a leave of their senses this time around.

          • Erala Contratista

            Bern reminds of Ron Paul, for some reason….

        • gene108

          She wasn’t eliminated until much, much later in the primary process. There were a few primaries still going on in late May or early June, and there was no point in getting her name off the ballot at that point.

          Also, Hillary got more votes than Obama, in 2008, in the states that had primaries. Obama did a better job in caucus states and got more super delegates, so he won.

          Let that sink in. She got more people to vote for her in 2008 than Obama, but the system kept her from securing the nomination and she then conceded and fully supported Obama.

          That’s all people expected from Bernie, when it was clear in April he wasn’t going to win and had no path to victory, was to graciously concede and not go on a two month rampaging calling Hillary and Democrats corrupt tools of Wall Street.

          When he and his supporters apologize for those false accusations, we can start talking about ways to heal.

    • Robyn Ryan

      Sanders only acco.plishment was being born with a white penis.

      • ahh_2_2

        Yeah, that’s why all millennials voted for Bernie. His penis.

        • Ill-Advised

          So true. And so very, very white.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Dude, he threatened to go to the convention and contest the results because he got his ass handed to him. I still remember his speech after he lost the California Primary (which, remember, was 10 days after Donnie sewed up the Republican nod). It was all over but the shouting for him – by that point, he could only win if the same Superdelegates he had spent months ripping suddenly switched to him.
      That would have been the perfect moment to say “I gave my best, it wasn’t enough. Time to come together.” But no. Bernie’s self-righteous and stubborn streak wouldn’t let him, and he delivered a fiery oratory about taking the fight to Philadelphia. Despite being outnumbered, outmanned, and outgunned he was going to press on. Take a good long look at that six weeks, because that’s when his ego outpaced his sensibilities.

    • gene108

      Dude, Hillary was in a contested Primary in 2008. She lost. You don’t hear her or her supporters bitch and complain about how “Obama rigged” the 2008 Primary. Her supporters didn’t show up to the 2008 DNC convention and boo Obama and his speakers.

      People were openly speculating, if Bernie’s supporters would boo Hillary, as she accepted the nomination. That’s not helping the cause.

      His flat out calling Hillary corrupt, after it was clear he lost, did a lot of damage. It’s one of the reasons Trump is President, along with Russia hacking, unbalanced coverage of email servers and other things.

      • JustPretendImNotHere

        Bernie supporters actually did boo several speakers at the convention including many POCs.

        He’s still out there bashing the Democratic Party and his minions just go along with it.

      • ahh_2_2

        Please tell me where he called her “corrupt.” Unless criticizing her monumentally stupid decision to give paid speeches to Wall Street counts as corrupt.

        • IdRatherBeDancing

          Well let’s start with the ad (long after it was clear Bernout would not be the nominee) that essentially stated that HRC gave paid speeches to GS while SOS — NOT FUCKING TRUE and illegal. Oh, she’s a private citizen and can give speeches — people who have been high up in government do that you know.

          • ahh_2_2

            He ran an ad in early February (no it wasn’t clear then by a long shot) criticizing Wall Street for buying off politicians. It never said Hillary. First off I happen and most Americans happen to find that a valid criticism. Anyways save your outrage for Hillary for giving a paid speech to one of the most unpopular companies in the country even when she knew she would be running for president. You don’t think Bannon knew about that? It wouldn’t have come up?

          • Erala Contratista

            One of the most unpopular companies has been stocking the “cabinet” .
            The disconnect with GS and HRC vs Drumphf is a confuse.
            Two of these things are just like the others?

        • gene108

          George W. Bush never said Saddam Hussein had anything at all to do with the terrorist attacks on 9/11/01, but somehow people got that impression.

          You can imply sentiments, without saying the actual words. Any body, who has been in politics as long as Bernie has should understand this and know what he’s implying with is statements.

          • ahh_2_2

            He criticized her for giving a paid speech to one of the most unpopular companies in the nation. I happen to find that a valid criticism. That’s not the same as saying she’s “crooked.” It’s on her for making such a monumentally stupid decision. Believe me Bannon knew long before Bernie ever entered the race and would have mentioned it. And I’m speaking as someone who devoted a lot of time last fall helping her get elected, so don’t accuse me of being a bro.

      • IdRatherBeDancing

        Dont’ forget the FBI director 11 days before election day!

    • Bad Tom

      AFTER LOSING the primary to her, Bernie did not throw his support behind her FOR MONTHS. Unlike how Hillary did with Barrack.

      I watched it happen. Both times.

  • memzilla Ω
    • ahh_2_2

      Except get elected. I’m cool with “bitches.” Just not someone with zero political common sense blowing an election.

      • shivaskeeper

        Of FFS. Bernie lost to her in the primary. He obviously couldn’t get elected either. Is that the point you are trying to make here?

        • ahh_2_2

          No

          • shivaskeeper

            Then what’s your point?

    • Ill-Advised

      Awesome, and bears repeating. Are we done with the Purity Pony yet, or is it good for another couple of rounds?

      Fuck it. It’s block time.

  • Covfefe’s Evil Twin

    Wonkette is going to become troll central pretty soon.

  • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher
    • OrG

      Seems legit.

      • UncleTravelingMatt

        I read it on the internet.

        • Good_Gawd_Yall

          Well, that automatically makes it true, just like the picture of Hair Fuhrer personally rescuing Houstonians from an inflatable boat. (For the trolls, THIS IS A JOKE. This is how you make a funny.)

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      i love how putin’s is empty, lol.

      And skwerl, if I didn’t know you I would have sworn you were a troll. ; )

      • puredog

        A very quick insight into the accuracy of this graphic comes from noting that Hitler is credited with only 5 million deaths. At least one million off, and that’s only counting the untermenschen.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          heh, the RT tag on the left shoulda been the first and only clue.

          ; p

        • Daniel

          It comes even earlier if you read the caption under Putin.

          They’re not counting anyone in the death toll that they don’t personally regard as human- which is what someone else used to do.

    • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

      So why are Donald Trump, Rush Limbaugh, Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, Alex Jones, David Duke, Mike Cernovich still alive?

      • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

        Because she’s too busy killing white babies to mess with Super-Masculine -Streetfightin’-Hunkmuffins.

      • Skaarphy

        Because GOD protects them.

      • Good_Gawd_Yall

        Bad aim?

      • Tio_Doidinho

        Iodine pills?

      • Stella Thomas

        Roger effing Stone.

    • Moebym of the Returners

      So Hillary was the one responsible for killing every human who has ever died?

      Is she God?

      • Roadstergal

        She also used necromancy to bring some back to life so she could kill them again.

      • FlownΩver

        Not possible. Clapton is god.

    • I’m guessing you’re a fetaphile fighting the fetal-fight for the not-fully-formed parasitic homosapien?

    • proudgrampa

      This graphic makes perfect sense.

      • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

        It should. I spent 10 minutes putting….

        I mean the research into the lives Hillary has murdered will keep several forensic research universities busy for many years.

    • I don’t know how she finds the time, seriously… She’s the most effective killer in human history!

      • cleos_mom

        I’ve been trying to get her to visit and kill all the ragweed in our pasture.

    • Michael Smith

      hahaha

    • Bad Tom

      At 35 billion dead, Hillary has killed the entire world almost five times over!
      She makes Barrack look like a piker.
      ——-
      So, since I’m dead 4.8 times over (thanks, Hil!), I don’t have to pay taxes anymore, right?

      • FlownΩver

        Nope. I means you have to pay the Death Tax™ 4.8 times.

        • Bad Tom

          Fuck!

    • Bad Tom

      “Hillary Clinton / 35 BILLION”

      There are only 77 drops for Hillary. There should be 35 thousand drops.
      They’re gonna need another page.

  • SomeBigRedDog

    Are we just feeding the trolls all day here at Wonkette? I might have actual work to do today.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      IKR? I’m starting my internship today, what a day to be out.

      • Shanzgood

        Good luck!

      • SomeBigRedDog

        Good luck man!

      • shivaskeeper

        Break a leg, or the legal word equivalent of said leg breaking.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          thanks!

  • ahh_2_2

    Warren would have won.

    • gene108

      More realistically, an argument can be made Biden would’ve won, if he ran (and I understand not wanting to run,after losing a son), even though there’s damn little difference in the politics of Biden and Hillary.

      • ahh_2_2

        I agree.

      • rebecca

        she’s more liberal.

        • middleclassman1

          How? Did her Support for the TPP and pipeline scream Liberal?

    • Michael Smith

      Alliterations aside..

      • Daniel

        Because Bernie bombed.

    • Daniel

      You’re right. Trump never went after Warren at all, and the “alt-right” would have had nothing to say to target her at all. The US loves anything that smacks of socialism, after all.

      • ahh_2_2

        OF course they would have attacked her. But Clinton made it so damn easy.

        • Daniel

          Than a Jewish Socialist who would have been running against a man whose campaign was being coordinated by white nationalists and included neo-Nazis in its number.

          Yes. Clinton made attacks so easy.

    • shivaskeeper

      I would have won. Since what I have in common with Elizabeth Warren in this situation is neither of us was running, my statement and speculation is as valid as yours.

  • NoTeaParty

    Fake news. Evan Hurst must be a Bernie Bro.

  • Belasaurius

    I brought some popcorn, have the Bros arrived?

    • Anna Rompage

      They’re still on the Hillary thread from yesterday, though now we have some alt right neo nazis that have joined in too…

      • coozledad

        What’s the damn difference? They all vote Republican anyway.

      • shivaskeeper

        I won;t go back to that one. You can’t make me.

    • Stulexington

      Like two posts down.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Just downthread.

  • gene108

    But how nice would it have been if Bernie Sanders had really fought for Hillary Clinton?

    Bernie didn’t and doesn’t need to fully support Hillary or the Democratic Party. What he needed to do, when it was clear he lost, back in April 2016 and now, when he is officially NOT A DEMOCRAT, is to not go into bitch and complain mode about how corrupt Hillary and/or the Democrats are, because they are not committed to the glorious workers revolution to usher in an era of true socialism in America or something, something.

    Basically, no political Party or politician will be perfect, but saying Hillary was/is corrupt because she and her husband got paid millions to write books, sit on boards, etc., which every former President and many high ranking politicians have done, ignores the real differences between what a Democratic administration and a Republican administration will deliver in terms of attempts to alleviate versus inflict suffering on people.

    If you think single-payer is the only solution to achieve universal healthcare coverage, and Obamacare sucks, make that argument and back it up. Medicare is not a cornucopia for everyone on it, which is why Medicare Advantage exists. There are gaps in Medicare coverage, such as the Part D “donut hole”, as well as Part B paying 80% of medical costs, with no maximum, i.e. a surgery costs $100,00, you are responsible for $20,000, if you have no other insurance than Medicare A & B.

    A lot of folks get better deals through employer based coverage, than they would get on Medicare, and convincing them to give up what they have for less will be a tough sell, with regards to single payer.

    As Donald Trump says, “who knew, healthcare is complicated”.

    • coozledad

      This ought to make Bros shit their pants: Once you get a certain amount of money you start to get all kinds of free stuff. Once you have been in a position of power, academics will gather to eat a shitty catered meal and pretend to listen to what you have to say. People with nice houses will offer to put you up in them. Free.

      As Bloody, Bloody Andrew Jackson might sing, “Life sucks, and your life sucks impeticular.”

  • AnnieGetYerFun

    Just heard her on NPR and she had to go and do the “I didn’t connect well with white voter rage.” And I was sitting there in traffic and screaming “BECAUSE YOU’RE NOT A RACIST RAT FUCKER, HILLARY.”

    • Moebym of the Returners

      No wonder the WWC voters are so self-important – everyone is pandering to them. Of all the demographics out there, why must we cater only to the needs and whims of this one?

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        EXACTLY what Ta-Nehisi Coates wrote brilliantly in The Atlantic recently. It’s “race identity politics” and “political correctness” to be concerned about minority voters. It’s perfectly fine to worry about white voters.

  • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

    It’s also getting little play on how Bernie’s campaign not only stole OUR voting data, but he had the nerve to sue US for the robbery. But poor old Bernie is the victim of “rigging.”

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      speaking of which, that lawsuit against the DNC got tossed out of court like two weeks ago. I’ve heard almost nothing about it.

      • Marceline

        That’s because the Berniacs go from poutrage to poutrage at the rate of about one every two weeks but Hil’s book kind of stepped on that lawsuit tantrum. Before that it was their tantrum over open/closed primaries. Before that it was the tantrum over Trump’s use of the term alt-left. Before that it was Nina Turner’s donut freakout.

      • middleclassman1

        Got tossed out because the judge ruled that even though DWS and the DNC did in fact fix the election they didn’t break the law they were just extremely unethical!

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          got a citation for that?

          • cleos_mom

            The guy on the next bar stool is never wrong.

    • Vincent Ricola

      This was one of those things that turned me way off Bernie early in the process. I would’ve been willing to forgive if there was any real acknowledgement of wrong doing, but nope, it was all half-hearted “a staffer did it” excuses. Ted Cruz’s porno like excuse was more sincere.

      • BreakingDeadMen

        The conspiracy mongering did it for me. Here, and in places like Arizona. First, that’s a Republican state with Republican voting rules. And the voting problems mostly affected older voters there, so whatever suppression depressed likely Clinton, not Sanders, voters.

        • Vincent Ricola

          The conspiracy mongering put me over the edge. It wasn’t even Hillary loyalty, it was pure rage at the way he mislead millions of first time voters on elections and the clearly defined rules of the game. For that, I will never forgive Bernie Sanders or his lackeys in misinformation.

          • BreakingDeadMen

            So much this. And don’t get me started on Nevada. Not gonna lie, I’m looking forward to when Mueller works his way over to the Sanders campaign and nets at very least Jeff Weaver

          • Vincent Ricola

            They were, at the very least, extremely useful idiots.

          • BreakingDeadMen

            Extremely useful
            Extremely idiotic

          • middleclassman1

            WTF are you talking about? You should get a job at Brietbart

          • BreakingDeadMen

            Ooh, do you have an in there?

      • middleclassman1

        Are you talking about the incident that was perpetrated by the staffer who was recommended by the DNC? The same DNC that was fixing the election ( they admitted this in court)? And where is the acknowledgement of the DNC and Hillary tilting the primary in her favor? She actually hired DWS onto her campaign!

        • Vincent Ricola

          Here’s the funny thing about all those words you just wrote, I don’t give any kind of fuck about who hired who and when and why. All I cared about was Bernie Sanders strongly decrying the actions of his campaign and he didn’t do that part to my satisfaction, which left the impression that it was a planned attack and he was fine with the results.

          He needed to earn my vote and I wasn’t down for voting for someone who would passively endorse those particular shenanigans. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

          PS – you’ll get more attention up thread.

          • middleclassman1

            He canned the guy immediately, investigated the incident and denounced it! But you are ok with Hillary’s ongoing support for DWS? By the way I held my nose and voted for Hillary in the general election.

  • Robyn Ryan
    • BreakingDeadMen

      Bernie deserves to be in that.

    • Randall Stephens

      Seek help

    • ahh_2_2

      She truly is a champion of women. Except those her husband bangs. Then she will cut their throats.

      • Panika MCD

        https://m.popkey.co/a933af/drWez.gif

        Monica Lewinsky’s throat remains uncut.

        • I had to do a quick Google search, but apparently it’s true (that it’s false).

      • cleos_mom

        I have never gotten over my shock at the discovery that Mrs. Clinton felt less than friendly about her husband’s groupies.

  • Raan

    Guys, if Medicare for all ends up being the “replace” in “repeal and replace”, I am going to laugh like a goddamn hyena.

  • Steve-o

    Holy shit, Obama is running in 2018? Sorry, you had a typo up there

    • gene108

      He could go back and win a Senate seat and taunt the fuck out of Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, because he’s been President and they haven’t come close.

      • Steve-o

        I would have absolutely no problem with that.

  • BreakingDeadMen

    The PUMAs never existed in any significant, they were a media projection. The Bernie Bros are an actual horde of zombies.

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      Zombie LIBELZ!!!!

  • middleclassman1

    Bernie Sanders promotes and pushes more Democratic ideas than most Democrats who only offer lip service to what they are supposed to stand for.

    • Wild Cat

      You’d be more productive trolling the fascists. Please stop spreading disharmony.

      • middleclassman1

        Lol are you using Trump’s line of fake news so you don’t have to face the truth?

    • puredog

      We have a tedious set of comments to look forward to here, folks.

      • bbayliss

        tedious and unproductive.

        • Like Melania having sex with her husband.

          • bbayliss

            Ick. NO.

    • Stulexington

      Purity over unity, yup, I’m gonna have to get another bingo card at this rate.

    • Michael Smith

      That’s supposed to make me feel better about Trump being President?

      • Belasaurius

        gives me a warm feeling, although that may be the ulcer that’s been growing since that shitbird took office.

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          Hmmm, sky high blood pressure is fun.

    • Panika MCD

      if he’s pushing ideas that the Democrats are not pushing, how are they Democratic ideas? maybe you should quit deciding what you think the Democratic Party is and listen to what it is instead, MIDDLE CLASS WHITE MAN!

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      1. Accepting what you are saying for the sake of argument: “promoting and pushing” =/= “making things happen.” Anyone can be a blowhard–it takes a skilled legislator to get major initiatives through Congress, and on that measure Bernie is a failure.

      2. Your daily reminder that Bernie would not have won against Donald.

      3. Bernie isn’t even the most progressive Senator in the US Senate.

      4. Piss off, troll.

      • middleclassman1

        Accept this truth. Bernie has been fighting for progressive ideas for ever. He is the most popular politician in America while Hillary is one of the least popular right up there with the Dumpster

    • Belasaurius

      Hang on, what exactly is the Democratic Party supposed to be standing for?

      • middleclassman1

        Middle class working Americans and policies that represents the majority and not just the few! They are supposed to be fighting against citizens United and getting money out of the process not embracing it.

        • rebecca

          SCOTUS ruled on it. The Democrats DO want to overturn it. It’s a hard thing to do, and to do it, they need a majority and a Democratic president. In order to do that, they need to win some elections.

          • Roadstergal

            If only there was some way that people who were interested in progressive ideals could have influenced the composition of SCOTUS… say, something simple they could have done last November…

          • middleclassman1

            How many Democrats do you hear speaking out against it or running on it? Other than Sanders.

          • Well, I mean… There was that nice Hillary lady…

            http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/hillary-clinton-citizens-united-225658

          • middleclassman1

            When? She was very friendly with wall street not talking against her donors

          • In the article I just linked, for example. Y’know, reality and such.

        • So, they’re supposed to stand for exactly what they’re currently standing for? Good to know!

          • middleclassman1

            When are they standing for them? Pay attention tomorrow and you will see somebody standing for them.

    • BigCSouthside

      If you think an independent can win on his or her own, you are fucking stupid.

      Even Bernie knew better, hence why he ran democrat.

      You want progressive ideals to win out? Then learn that this is about acquiring and retaining power. You can sit out and alienate the only people who have the resources necessary to win all you want. You can bitch about “establishment corporatist democrats” all you want.

      While you do that, the republicans are flagrantly riding roughshod over ever single ideal you purity ponies claim to love.

      If you love these ideals like I do, embrace realities and realize you need allies to fucking win. Progressivism is a bannerless army. Revolutions are never overnight.

      Quit bitching, embrace your ideological allies even if they aren’t 100% in your corner, and do what MUST be done for progressivism to win. ELECT DEMOCRATS, regardless of how bad they fail your purity test.

      • shivaskeeper

        That’s not going to happen. It will be much easier to accuse you of telling them how to think and giving them orders like the big old fascist you are.

    • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

      With Six You Get Eyeroll

    • Sure, if you ignore those “fact” things that always seem to undermine this sort of argument…

  • BadKitty904
    • BreakingDeadMen

      He loves to play the blues

      • BadKitty904

        Bitter Old Man is bitter.

        • cleos_mom

          When an Angry Young Man doesn’t broaden his horizons, Angry Old Manhood is sure to follow eventually.

          • BadKitty904

            Like McCain, Sanders has certainly got a lot of mileage out of his mavericky shtick.

  • Marceline

    I’m ready for the Sandroids. I can hear them beating their leathery wings as they fly here squawking “Bernie would’ve won” https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e091b35d32e86924f163cc155a7285203da5c2a3b055796c50361ddae27bb03a.jpg

    • BadKitty904

      I’ll pass the ammo.

      • Treg Brown

        I’ll man the drinky cart. Morning BK!

        • BadKitty904

          Good man! Olives in my Bloody Mary, please…

    • coozledad

      Bernie is astoundingly old to be locked in the mindset of his followers.
      Hillary was a mere hero.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Today, it’s “Warren would have won.” Because that hypothetical proves that there was no sexism in the election at all.

      • Marceline

        It’s all alternate universe fanfiction with those idiots.

      • The disembodied head of Richard Nixon would have won!

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          Oh, man, doesn’t that seem preferable to what we have now, though? At least Nixon knew where foreign countries were and stuff.

      • cleos_mom

        “Oh, but I love Elizabeth Warren’ had an odd echo last year. I believe it to be from the people I remember from the early-to-middle 1960s who were concernstipated about those troublemaking ‘colored people’ but TOTALLY weren’t racist — they’d been to see Sidney Poitier movies.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson
  • exinkwretch

    Trump is in the Oval Office because the butthurt Bernie Bros and millions of center- and left-leaning lazy assholes stayed home on election day. The Ds should be out registering and motivating voters for 2018 and beyond instead of forming the circular firing squad. Cranky independent talking here.

    • BadKitty904
    • Randall Stephens

      I thought it as the Russians? No?

    • ahh_2_2
    • middleclassman1

      Sorry but a majority of Democratic voters are tired of supporting the wall street wing which only offers lip service to the policies that we need and that Democrats are supposed to support!

      • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

        You don’t speak for anyone but yourself. So sit your five-dollar ass down before I make change.

        • middleclassman1

          So do you jackass!

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            At least I admit that I don’t speak for anyone else. But in case you haven’t noticed, you’re kinda surrounded.

          • middleclassman1

            Surrounded by ideas that have been losing elections from dog catcher to President for a long time!

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            Funny, because if you look at where I live not only did those “same ideas” recapture both chambers the State Legislature for the Democratic Party, but also delivered a Senate seat and 3 out of 4 House seats. Oh, and the state went to Hillary Clinton by 2 points.

      • BreakingDeadMen

        Great, so leave us the fuck alone and either start your own party or maybe join the Green Party circle jerk.

      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        Even if we accept the premise of your statement that Hillary represents the “Wall Street” wing, the results of the primary belie your statement about a majority of anything.

        • BreakingDeadMen

          Yeah, they don’t really understand how math works.
          See Also:
          Sanders, Jane
          Burlington College

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        I understand why Bernie supporters would be upset. What I don’t understand is why they would rather see Trump win. I could understand not voting in protest if the GOP candidate was your run-of-the-mill conservative asshole, but Trump is another kind of monster altogether. Stupid, lazy, unprepared to lead anything. How is having him in power going to help?

        • SomeBigRedDog

          Its all about privilege. They think a Trump presidency won’t affect them personally, their citizenship status, right to marry, employment, etc. And 8 years of getting shit on will teach the rest of us to get in line and do what they say next time.

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            I get that, but any idiot can see that he’s going to start SOME kind of war, right? Shouldn’t peaceniks be horrified by that?

            I guess their answer would be that Hillary would do the same.

          • shivaskeeper

            It’s not they are going to be the one fighting.

      • Daniel

        …didn’t a majority of voters vote for the Democratic candidate for President? Would that not make them Democratic voters?

        I apologise if I’m misunderstanding this, I’m from a country where the person with the most votes wins so your electoral strategies are often mysterious to me.

        • Bad Tom

          They appear plain fucked up to us.
          ——-
          Stolen. That’s what I meant. Stolen from us.

      • BigCSouthside

        Progressivism has always needed allies. Political machines. Progressivism wins by infiltration not by conquest.

        If you think “we’re gonna burn it all down” and a magic revolution is going to happen you are stupid.

        If you want to sack the city, join the people with the money, ships,and guns, and convince them to sack the city. Otherwise you’ll just get mowed down every time you try.

        Notice how more “corporatist democrats” are serious about single payer? Imagine if that was going on and they had allies in power at all govt levels.

        • middleclassman1

          Yes it does and Hillary wasn’t an ally.

      • You mean the majority of Democratic voters that chose Hillary over Bernie? that majority?

        • middleclassman1

          No I’m not talking about the superdelegates.

          • Oh! That ol’ canard brings me back to the stupid ol’ Bernie Math from the primaries. Good times, good times. I mean, it was just as stupid then as it is now, but y’know… At least we had a competent President!

        • cleos_mom

          But to be fair, some of the voter qualifications were dubious; e.g., no penis and/or a tad too much melanin in the epidermis.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      Some of us are focused on doing so, but find it energizing to take a five minute break to tell LWNJ trolls to piss off. We’ll be back to our regularly scheduled activism in a moment!

  • ahh_2_2

    Screw Hillary. She was a crap candidate and if it wasn’t for her sucking all the air out of the room, Warren would have ran and she would have won.

    • Panika MCD

      are you Elizabeth Warren? no? then shut the fuck up.

      • ahh_2_2
        • Panika MCD

          aw, widdle bro so sad that he can’t make up Elizabeth Warren’s mind for her either? go cry to your momma.

          • ahh_2_2

            Once again. Have fun with your Hillary Clinton cult. It’s very relevant to the future of progressive politics. In 2020, are you still going to whining about Bernie?
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ca7b4d12c2c9ec46beca3089bd0dfb6cd6e1ef0b2cfb72a692229554d385fcd9.gif

          • Panika MCD

            nope. are you going to still be whining about the 2016 primaries? most definitely.

            you don’t deserve contrition you little prick. consider that when people are rude to you it’s because you’ve earned it by being rude to them. your white male privilege doesn’t entitle you to having me be nice.

            got it? now shove that gif right where it belongs. okay?

          • The Librarian

            Do you have fun in your pretend progressive cult? If you just throw stones, you’re the problem, not part of the solution.

          • ahh_2_2

            No dork, I’m talking about the Democratic Party. And you have no idea about what I do or don’t do.

          • The Librarian

            Sure, I do, you’re an asshole shit talker. Can’t pay very well.

          • ahh_2_2
          • The Librarian

            Lol, back at ya! 🖕🏼

          • The Librarian

            Not today, little man.

          • ahh_2_2

            You must be really obsessed to comment twice on the same message.

          • The Librarian

            No, I just saw the meme at first, not your comment. You must be really obsessed to think I was obsessing.

          • ahh_2_2

            I’m glad you are double checking my posts. I didn’t realize I was all that interesting.

          • The Librarian

            Nah, I was looking at another one on Disqus and saw just the meme, then saw the full post in my email.

          • ahh_2_2

            ok sure.

          • The Librarian

            Whatever!

          • Bub, the cynical zombie

            Is Bernie still going to be an annoying old asshole?

        • Resistance Fighter Callyson

          The troll who came here to shit on Hillary is mad because someone called him out, and now wants to complain about someone else’s manners…

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/242edebd46c0e6d9bf4ed6da9681e6d6008f410ca7b995cdce53b5be24f4c5da.gif

      • cleos_mom

        Warren was (not voluntarily) the perfect fig leaf for many a sexist tiny dick.

    • Michael Smith
      • BadKitty904

        So true, so true…

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Warren wasn’t interested – she plainly said so way back in 2013, when she and 15 other female Democratic Senators wrote a letter urging Clinton to run. And she endorsed Hillary, and got a ration of crap for it from the Sanders camp.

      • ahh_2_2

        She endorsed very late in the game. And who knows – the Democrats made it clear anyone running against her would be in hell of a world hurt. Warren didn’t want to put up with that crap. So the only guy left who didn’t care and probably never saw himself as much of threat to Clinton anyway was Bernie.

        • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

          Yeah, I think I missed that memo. As did Martin O’Malley, who also ran in the primary. So I’m pretty sure you’re making that up.

          • Panika MCD

            I really liked Martin O’Malley–especially how he didn’t sick his supporters on people or pretend like Hillary Benghazied him with her emails.

          • ahh_2_2

            Because he didn’t have any supporters.

          • Panika MCD

            I was one of his supporters and I got attacked by Bernie supporters the day he ended his campaign as did 2 superdelegates I know. maybe you should now go to where you’re wanted because you are not wanted here.

          • ahh_2_2

            yeah sure you were.

          • Panika MCD

            oh, I forgot. you believed that when you were attacking people, you were actually winning them over. forgot about how self-deluded you all are.

        • Stulexington

          Signing a letter asking someone to run doesn’t count as an endorsement in your world?

        • IdRatherBeDancing

          And as I recall the Bernouts attacked her for the endorsement.

        • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

          3 years before the primary? Just after Clinton resigned as Secretary of State? While everyone was expecting Biden to do what almost every VP in the last century had done and run for the top slot himself?

          • Bub, the cynical zombie

            Forget it. Logic and facts are beyond these guys.

    • Stulexington

      Instead she endorsed the Democratic candidate. Cause she wanted you to vote Democrat.

      • bbayliss

        IC

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    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      Perhaps you missed the crap Bernie spewed during his NY Daily News interview? That trainwreck would have been eviscerated in the general had Hillary not handled him in the primary TYVM.

      As for Elizabeth, as much as I love her she was not as qualified as Hillary to be president, which she wisely recognized when she decided not to run. Piss off.

      • Bad Tom

        We also needed Elizabeth to stay in the Senate.

    • Tio_Doidinho

      Aaaaand here come the Brocialist trolls.

      • Roadstergal

        Oh, that’s a good one. *snagging*

      • ahh_2_2

        “Hillary Clinton is the greatest!”
        “Well I’ll vote for her but I there are certain things about her record..”
        “BROSOCIALIST!!!!”

        • Tio_Doidinho

          a. second phrase doesn’t begin to define the range of BernieBro attacks;
          b. don’t put words in my mouth, child;
          c. it’s BROCIALIST.
          kthxbye

          • ahh_2_2

            Or what? You’ll fight me? Ok tough guy.

    • shivaskeeper

      Citation please.

    • Warren was never in the discussion. She didn’t want to run, and she wasn’t going to run and you really should move out of your fantasy world…

    • The Librarian

      Another day, same type of asshole.

  • Michael Smith

    Yeah I think Hillary’s endorsement of Obama not only helped him in the general election, but created a situation in which we now have a hard time remembering when they were bitter rivals. She played such a big role in his administration, after all.

    A lot of people were furious after Obama swept in and took the nomination in what was supposed to be her year. I remember people (liberals!) saying “Well, I guess we know where women stand in this country when people would rather have a black nominee.” And I was like, man that’s the kind of racist sentiment that could tear the party apart. But it didn’t – because she didn’t encourage that kind of destructive thinking.

    With Bernie it wasn’t “Whats worse sexism or racism, oh I guess everyone decided its racism so I guess we feminists will just go over here and fuck ourselves like a common Ted Cruz,” it was a group of people who considered themselves ideologically pure and sincere, being stomped out by a corporatist, neo-liberal conspiracy. Just as with the Obama-Clinton situation, this was the kind of thinking that could create bitterness and disillusionment among the defeated group and disgust toward them among the victors, and thus hurt the party in general.

    But while Hillary probably said to herself “Yeah, I think its bullshit that this young kid is getting the nomination, and I think it probably has a lot to do with my being a woman and his not being a woman,” she still decided that she’d rather have a Democrat than a Republican, so she said “I’m going to set aside my qualms for now and try to deal with them in a more productive way at a more appropriate time, not in the middle of a general election.” But it would have been understandable if she erupted in a righteous fury and tried to derail Obama’s campaign. Understandable, but not a good thing to do.

    Bernie’s supporters, like Hillary’s 8 years earlier, were furious about the system’s unfairness toward them and were falling quickly into disillusionment with the Democratic Party’s chances of ever being truly progressive. Bernie could have redirected their anger against Trump, and thrown his support wholeheartedly behind Hillary, even if he thought his loss of the nomination was bullshit. But he didn’t. And so the feeling among the left wing of the party that the mainstream of the party is corrupt and will never listen to them remains with us, and Bernie encouraged it. Its too bad he couldn’t see what Hillary saw: yeah this sucks for me, but it will suck a lot worse for everyone if I throw a fit and let the Republicans into the oval office.

  • fawkedifiknow

    i wish she would stand up for herself a little more. Fer instance: Don’t apologize or second guess your “deplorable” comment. They were, they are, and, by definition, will always be “deplorable.” “You will never run again, so don’t take anything back”, is my advice to Hillary.

    Btw, I voted for Bernie in the primary, and had no hesitation in voting for Hillary in the general. I am informed enough to know the differences, but their politics and policy choices are compatible as far as I’m concerned.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      I get that and share the sentiment, but she’s in a terrible place. Just because she’s talking about this, she’s getting the “sore loser” label constantly, and an angry woman in politics is always declared “too emotional” to be a good leader. So even though she’s not going to run for anything again, she still has to walk that stupid fine line that all women constantly have to walk.

      • SDGeoff3

        If she didn’t talk about it, she’d be accused of hysterical sulking.

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          YES! This made me LOL, thank you.

  • Amelia Resists and Persists

    Not sticking around for the trolls today, because I have no interest in being capslocked at by bros or people telling me to “let it fucking go already,” but I Heart Hillary and I always will.

    The rest of you, have fun and feed the trolls responsibly.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      ENJOY YOUR DAY OF PEACE, YOU SHILL FOR HILL

      Woah, sorry, don’t know what came over me.

    • Treg Brown

      Best advice I’ve heard all day.

  • Belasaurius
    • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

      Beat me to it!

  • The Librarian

    I’m tired of hearing all the shit heaped on Ms. Clinton. Idealism has its place, but reality has to step in at some point. Voting your “conscience” with stakes as high as they were should have meant HRC as Prez. You didn’t vote your “conscience” if you voted Stein, Johnson, or Mickey Mouse. You voted as a child who took their toys home rather than share. That asshole on the thread last night asked how HRC supporters sleep at night. I would pose the same question to him. And for the record:
    Voted Obama both times
    Voted Sanders in the primary
    Voted HRC in the general
    I sleep well.

    • proudgrampa

      Good for you.

    • coozledad

      I sleep at night because I worked sixteen hour days in a red fucking town in a red state and was physically threatened and witnessed others being threatened, and among those threatened were CHILDREN. I cranked out yards of three-dimensional signage and cooked for people who were canvassing. I pulled guard duty because shitheads in trucks kept pulling into the headquarters parking lot and threatening to shoot people, or just yell racist epithets.

      But I also can’t sleep because of this, because at some level I feel less human for not putting my foot in some Klan ass. All the Bernie people ever did was eat our stuff and try and swipe the button making machine. They were dumpy white boys and out of touch adult children of wealthy parents. Fuck the bastards. I know who they are now, and I’ll be goddamned if I let them fuck the next show up.

      • The Librarian

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        • Mark Lungo

          I would have been thrilled to have Sanders (or HRC!) as President. However, it’s way past time for the Brocialists to stop shitting on Sanders’ achievements.

      • ANNG14

        I give you much credit, you deserve it.

    • SDGeoff3

      Same here. I was happy to endorse Senator Sanders in the primary. I changed my party affiliation to do so. And after the primary, I took my slightly disappointed self directly to Mrs Cinton’s campaign and matched every dime I’d donated to Sanders.

    • shivaskeeper

      Idealists are great. The best ideas come from them ultimately. Pragmatists are the ones who get the ideas done. Cliche as fuck, but you can’t build castles in the sky if your feet are not firmly planted on the ground.

      • SDGeoff3

        If you walk around with your head in the clouds, you remain at the mercy of the puddles.
        Paraphrase of (hold on tight now) Mary Baker Eddy.

      • 🛶🗣️ Mr Canoehead 🛶🗣️

        A long time ago A. Whitney Brown wrote an essay saying that it took JFK to present the dream, but it took LBJ to actually twist dicks and make it happen.

        (He did not use that phrase.)

      • Brittany Wilkins

        Pragmatists just like idealists have to compete with reality.

        Pragmatists are the reason things get done. Idealists are the reason things get better. You can’t consistently constrain your policy positions to what can be done right now. You have to think beyond that. If Martin Luther King Jr. was a pragmatist, we would all be in worse shape as a country.

        The reality is that Hillary Clinton was not the best candidate and not the most pragmatic. Her policy positions didn’t win. No matter how many times she changed them. And other Democrats like her have been losing race after race.

        Bernie Sanders is an idealist and a pragmatist. He has served in Congress and passed the most amendments. He knows how to play ball and compromise but you also can’t negotiate on your core principles.

        Democrats keep throwing working people under the bus to negotiate with Republicans and all we have to show for it is the crappy Affordable Care Act which is Republican legislation.

        Meanwhile Republicans keep beating Democrats in race after race. Now you tell me what is truly pragmatic. Keep going center-right and losing. Or actually run as a leftist Democrat without corporate influence and win!

        • Tiny kaiju

          Or we could run a left wing version of the Tea Baggers, get a couple of seats and then refuse to cooperate with anyone, just like the Tea Baggers. Because that would be pragmatic as all get out, right?

          • Brittany Wilkins

            Well let’s see: Tea Baggers have been able to get elected despite having a moderate left President Obama. Tea Baggers are winning more state houses and governor races. Tea Baggers are gerrymandering the crap out of the state because they are getting control. They don’t have to negotiate with us because they keep winning regardless of what they do.

            Meanwhile Democrats who actually run as Democrats and vote like Democrats have been able to keep their seats but not gain any seats. Democrats got whooped this pass election season and in the special elections from the top ticket on down. And what does Pelosi and Chuck Schumer suggest doing? Keep running the same course? Keep blaming Bernie Sanders? Propose a ”Better Deal” slogan for Democrats to run under that makes no sense? How does that help?

            Point 2: Refusing to cooperate is shutting down the government for tax cuts. That’s insane. Democrats have never done such a thing. But Democrats are always compromising and still getting their butts handed to them every election cycle. The Affordable Care act with no public option was the greatest compromise yet, and still Democrats keep getting stomped at the ballot box. What’s pragmatic about negotiating with Republicans who don’t give a damn about negotiating or governing? And instead of Democrats hammering Republican behinds to the wall for their ineffectiveness or their failure to pass any legislation. Democrats just keep tucking their tail between their legs and saying, ”We will get them next year by being more moderate”.

            Even though the majority of Americans support the policies that Democrats claim to represent, they still keep losing! At some point there needs to be a new strategy. Accepting corporate money and being ”moderate” is not enough to move the ball. Hillary Clinton lost for a reason. Bernie Sanders gained his momentum for a reason.

            It’s time to actually start fighting and winning these policy battles!

          • Tiny kaiju

            teabaggers got elected by a fundamentally racist. Inch of reactionary idiots who never understood the purpose of government much less how it works. I don’t really know what a left wing equivalent of the TP would present as it’s goals that would be substantially different from what the mainstream Democrats espouse. Unless Eat the Rich becomes a literal thing. Granted anonymous, corporate money is a ethically dangerous ingredient in any political system, but that requires an much needed overhaul of the whole election funding system. Which is more complicated than I feel like going into at the moment.
            These days I’m thinking Bernie (who is my Senator and whom I voted for in the Primary) appealed to people, young people especially because he spoke loudly and encouragingly about their concerns. He didn’t necessarily say how they were going to accomplish them. Let’s label him with the “Angry Young Man” archetype. I say young because angry old men prefer the status quo. Hillary Clinton on the other hand, as always been more pragmatic. Apparently people find that boring, and uninspiring and off putting somehow. Let’s call Hillary “The Wise Old woman who lives in that spooky hut in the woods.”
            I seem to have wandered a bit there.
            I agree the return to “moderate/centerist” Third Way nonsense is a non-starter. I think, I hope, the Democratic Party has wished up to the fact you can’t continue to be the reasonable adult in the room and deal with spoiled children as thought hey were adults too. The trick though, is how to get stuff done without resorting to the same “I’ll burn it down if I don’t get my way.” behavior. The gerrymandering is done at the state and local level. You can’t fix anything at a national level without taking those offices. I may be completely wrong, but smart people want to know a head of time what the plan is, how does it work, what are the pros and cons. Do you equate that with being moderate?
            ETA I got distracted by external forces at the end. Hopefully we can type at each other again later and clarify bits and pieces.

          • Brittany Wilkins

            I’m going to disagree a bit with the position that Bernie Sanders didn’t say how to accomplish them. He posed how to fund tuition free college with a speculation tax on Wall Street transactions. He said he would raise income taxes to fund the Medicare for All bill.

            Hillary Clinton put her policy ideas and details out there but she didn’t really have a plan about how to bring Republicans to the table either.

            I can agree to certain extent that the ”burn everything down” motto is not a way to govern but I don’t believe that Hillary Clinton is the wise pragmatist that everyone touts her to be. She took up legislation and policy positions that were terrible for the American people. She’s changed her positions so many times to appear pragmatic but the devil is always in the details.

            Republicans hate her as much as they hate Bernie Sanders. If she was elected she would be in the exact same position that Barack Obama was. So even if she had a detailed game plan, she wasn’t going to get it passed without doing some shady compromising like Barack Obama did.

            Plenty of news articles have already shown that her and Bernie Sanders have voted the same way on legislation about 93% of the time. Where they differed was on immigration policy details, military intervention, and granting bank bailouts.

            I know there are smart people who believe that Hillary Clinton was the least of two evils. I voted for her, just like I voted for Barack Obama. But there are also smart people who also didn’t want Hillary Clinton in office to continue the same neo-liberal policies that has not benefited the average American worker. She was going to expand military use, rub shoulders with Wall Street and continue to give us watered down Republican light policy solutions because of her connections to high dollar industry donors.

            I don’t think it was unreasonable to be against the continuation of those policies. But we can agree to disagree.

    • King Beauregard

      Idealists don’t let people like Trump into power. Ideologues let people like Trump into power. Idealists worked to stop him (even if it meant not getting everything they wanted).

    • Noelle

      As you should.

    • duchessoftheswamp

      Socialists and anarchists have been on the front lines fighting against the resurgence of fascism, protesting Trump, pushing for universal health care, fighting for BLM, etc. Meanwhile, Clinton is off charging exorbitant prices for her shitty book tour. Forgive me if I’m not impressed with this ~adult~, ~pragmatic~ behavior.

      • The Librarian

        Ok. There’s nothing to forgive. Don’t buy the book, and continue fighting for justice. Not sure if your comment about adult behavior is aimed at me or Ms. Clinton, but I’m not going to lose any sleep either way.

  • Wolf Tracker

    “Single-payer healthcare is GREAT! We are glad all kinds of Democratic senators are hopping on the train with him, presenting a united front on an issue that really does unite us”

    I am just going to roll with that Evan and hope the Clinton people can get through the grief process and begin to heal so we can unite the party and I hope Kamala Harris will run as she reminds me alot of Obama.

    Go Kamala!

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      Why just the “Clinton people?” Anyone with a sense of compassion or decency should be grieving at the disaster that is the Trump administration. As for “uniting the party,” last time I checked St. Bernie was not a member.

      • SomeBigRedDog

        Exactly. Anyone who isn’t grieving for their country right now is probably a sociopath or a moron or a racist or maybe all three.

        • Marceline

          I’ve seen people say, “I didn’t vote for Hillary so I can sleep well at night.” To those people I say, that fact that you can sleep well at night under the current circumstances is proof that you not only aren’t progressive, you are a shitty human being.

          • Bub, the cynical zombie

            800,000 Dreamers facing deportation, among many other issues – but they can “sleep well at night.”

            Empathy is not a thing for them I guess.

          • Marceline

            I’m convinced that the real split in America isn’t black vs. white, or left vs. right. It’s between people with empathy and people without.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Yet you are promoting someone else against Kamala.

            I think you need to make that clear to everyone here.

      • Wolf Tracker

        Right because obviously anyone that didn’t support Hillary is a Trump supporter.

        Just like when Hillary lost to Obama right?

        • Bub, the cynical zombie

          Read what I said. Carefully.

          • Wolf Tracker

            I did- maybe you should.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      As I mentioned the last time we tangled on this subject, it always somewhat annoys me that only Clinton supporters are required to act like adults in this supposed healing process.

      • Wolf Tracker

        As I remember the last time we tangled you still couldn’t tell me why Hillary lost to Obama?

    • Roadstergal

      “so we can unite the party”

      The first step is joining it.

      The second step is giving money and/or doing volunteer work.

      Political parties aren’t like the friends your dad paid for you to have – they’re not at your beck and call. They’re like-minded people _working_ together for common causes. If you don’t wanna work towards the common causes, nobody is going to listen to you when you want to change what they are.

      • Wolf Tracker

        So the same people that supported Hillary over Obama and lost want to tell me to join the party.

    • The Librarian

      I would say that when people stop throwing stones at Ms. Clinton, the “healing” process may become a thing. If you’re a stone thrower, don’t expect people not to respond. I think it’s those people that need to stop and look and take a step back. They haven’t stopped “grieving” that Bernie didn’t win the primary. Oh, I’m sorry, too soon?

      • Wolf Tracker

        How many times does she have to tell you she is not running again?

        • The Librarian

          Wtf are you talking about? I don’t expect her to run again nor am I hoping she will. I’m talking about all the haters who can’t let this go. So what if she wrote a book? People are interested in her story. Don’t buy it if you don’t want to, but stop with the shit talking.

          • Wolf Tracker

            The only ones not letting it go are you and your friends.

            I reposted what Evan said straight from his article and if that is shit talk to you take it up with him please.

          • The Librarian

            I was talking about those that are shit talking HRC. If that includes you, yes, time to stfu. If it doesn’t, carry on. I responded to your comment that people need to unite. True, but until people stop bashing HRC for breathing, that’s going to be tough. If you aren’t a Dem, I don’t understand your need to jump on people for expressing their anger at Bros and others for their animosity. I also question your constant need to use “grief process” which sounds snarky as hell. If I’m the only one misreading that, then apologies.

    • shivaskeeper

      Unite what party? You have stated over and over again you are not part of the Democratic Party.

      • Wolf Tracker

        You ” You seem to think the party is some monolithic bloc, which is demonstrably untrue and divorced from reality.”

        • shivaskeeper

          You constantly state you are not part of the party. Which party are you trying to unite? The one you are a part of, or the one you are not a part of?

          Why do you care who a party you are not part of unites behind or not? You still should have no say in it.

  • Bub, the cynical zombie

    This is objective truth, whether the Bros and Trumpkins like it or fucking not:

    https://twitter.com/emilygalati/status/907367291351957504

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Also probably “shrill” and “humorless.”

      • BadKitty904

        And wore pantsuits.

  • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

    1) Sane, rational, reality-based woman in a pantsuit says sane, rational, reality-based things.

    2) Empires fall.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Here’s the thing about single-payer: it is the only rational way to do this. But our economy, despite the mewlings of economists, is not rational. People are not “rational” even at the individual level when making economic choices. It’s far more complicated than anyone cares to admit.

      Politicians need to allocate their time and effort. Falling on your sword for single payer prematurely is a massive waste of time and effort, because the friction will be just too great. ACA was meant to be an incremental change, first in a series of incremental changes, to get us to something more rational in providing health care than we had before.

      Hillary understood that. She remembered what she went through with “Hillarycare” that crashed and burned. Too much, too fast, too many stakeholders scared to death. Bernie, who seems to have all the savvy for actually getting legislation passed that Donald has, doesn’t get it. He’s rhetoric, which is very appealing, with no clue as to how to make it reality given all the friction.

      • gene108

        I could live with a strictly regulated insurance market, like they have in Switzerland. There are alternatives to single-payer that can work.

        But basically the government needs to put its boot down on the heads of people making money off of healthcare, one way or the other.

        • Roadstergal

          From somebody who lived in Switzerland for a while and has friends who are permanent residents – the Switzerland model wouldn’t work well for the US, IMO. For a number of reasons, one of which is that folk in Switzerland crib off of the single-payer systems of the surrounding countries. It deals with accidents and urgent medical needs well, but my friends pop off to France or Germany for cheap care when they need preventive care.

          • msanthropesmr

            What the fuck is Canada for anyway? Pffff.

          • Roadstergal

            Sexxxy political photoshoots?

      • shivaskeeper

        Pfft. You and your “reality”. Soundbites and empty rhetoric for the win.

    • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

      Who knew they were so fragile?

      • Nockular cavity

        If “Empires” = penises, then, yeah.

    • Lord Jim

      But, her emails…

  • proudgrampa

    Bernie fucked Hillary over. Period.

    Bernie supports single-payer medical insurance. Period.

    The one does not fix the other.

    • BadKitty904
    • King Beauregard

      Ain’t it funny that Bernie never mentioned Green Mountain Single Payer’s failure, just months before he hit the campaign trail. He never figured out how to fix single payer in his own state, and he never figured out how to fix it on the national scale either. It never really mattered to him.

      (Spoilers: we need to start managing medical COSTS first, you know, make doctors and hospitals charge less. But they have bills of their own to pay, from other for-profit entities no less, so it’s not just as simple as underpaying them. This is complicated, and Bernie doesn’t do complicated.)

      • proudgrampa

        To be fair, it was never his job to fix it in his state.

        • King Beauregard

          No it wasn’t his job to fix it in Vermont, but he didn’t have an excuse for not learning from Vermont.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    And a lot of his supporters continued to harass and go after my supporters, all the time.

    Oh yeah–this was definitely a thing. I didn’t get hassled that much but I know someone who nearly experienced PERMANENT hearing loss after being yelled at by Bernie Bros at a Hillary rally. Worse, when she posted about it on FB, some of her acquaintances denied that the people who did this were “true” Bernie people. Yeah, no–I live among enough of the true believers that Bernie owns these assholes FFS.

    • Panika MCD

      this is still a thing.

    • BreakingDeadMen

      The way they harassed HRC supporters in East L.A., mostly hispanic including families with kids. I can’t forgive that ever. Well, if they truly repented I might.

    • Vincent Ricola

      I had one of them “get out to vote” call me during the primaries and he was so petulant when I told them him I was going Hillary that I handed the phone to my much more patient husband to finish the call off. Then the guy told my husband that he needed to “talk to your wife so she understands how important it is that Bernie wins.” That was the night my indecisive husband became a Hillary supporter. The end.

      • Roadstergal

        I got called by the Sanders campaign asking me if they could count on my vote in the primaries. I said no, and asked how they got my number. She bowed out of the conversation right quick.

        I was seriously irked.

        • theblackdog

          Makes you wonder about those voter data files that Sander’s campaign broke into but supposedly didn’t do anything with them.

      • Lord Jim

        Should have told them “Persuazion. Ur doin it rong.” :)

    • Serai 1

      I got openly attacked on the street by an actual Trilby-wearing neckbeard fuckhead Bernie Bro. Seriously, the guy was a walking cliche.

  • Jenny

    I couldn’t get a ticket to Hitlery’s book signing in Austin. I was so bummed cuz browser refresh waiting for tickets sucks!

    My boyfriend said no worries love, here, have a trip to Atlanta to see her at her big show.

    I have the best boyfriend who is so awesome he made me cry tears. Real tears!

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      I want to see her in Seattle, but I don’t want to have to watch the Bernie Bros get up and start shouting at her.

    • Lord Jim

      Congratulations! I’m so happy for you!

  • Villago Delenda Est

    GOD, HILLARY, WHY CAN’T YOU JUST ADMIT YOU LOST BECAUSE YOU’RE SHRILL AND UNLIKABLE AND A FAKE CRIER AND PROBABLY HAVE PNEUMONIA AT ALL TIMES?

    Not to mention overprepared! (h/t Chuckles the Toddler)

    • Treg Brown

      Don’t forget the most qualified of anyone who’s run in decades. But she has the fallopian tubes.

      • Lord Jim

        And the PMS. How could she possibly be stable and rational every day of every month?

        • Carpe Vagenda

          Um. Not so much for the last twenty years? But hey, let’s just go with the kid who sends people to the cornfield instead.

          • Lord Jim

            I was just repeating something I actually heard once. Poe’s Law is the boss of us all, now. :)

          • Carpe Vagenda

            Yeah, well. Feminists are not funny, I’m tod.

      • Great behind the scenes manager.

        But an inspiration leader?

        What did she inspire me to do?

        I think Trump inspired me to vote for HRC more than HRC herself.

        Therein lies the problem.

    • Stulexington

      And oh my god how she didn’t smile at all except when she was smiling too much I mean seriously smile frequency is one of the most important aspects of political discourse (when you’re a woman).

      • Carpe Vagenda

        That asshole berner Levitz kid at NY Mag intelligencer posted something during the primaries about how striking it was, the way she really wanted it, and trust him, nobody ever unattractively wanted anything the way Hillary wanted to be President, and…

        Little known fact: most men run for President because they really dig Iowa.

      • Bub, the cynical zombie

        It’s just so damn hard to hit that smile frequency sweet spot…

      • Les Appentis De la résistance

        To be fair, she was mostly just trying to contain her laughter at other’s misfortunes.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    the attacks were so sexist about “well you’re supporting a woman because you’re a woman!”

    I got this shit once from a “friend” who (in fairness) did vote HRC in the general. Shut him up with “if that were true I would have voted for Sarah Palin in 2008 and Meg Whitman for CA governor in 2010.” This is one of the dumbest lines and I can’t imagine who would be stupid enough to trot it out…oh, right.

    • Roadstergal

      “if that were true I would have voted for Sarah Palin in 2008 and Meg Whitman for CA governor in 2010.”

      I said this exact same thing eleventy billion goddam times in 2016.

    • DainBramage

      Did anyone ask the Trumpanzees and the BernieBros™️ if they were voting with their pricks?

    • msanthropesmr

      Is it a man? I bet it’s a man.

      • Resistance Fighter Callyson

        Bingo!

  • Moebym of the Returners

    Like I said on the book titles post, it’s funny how the same people who tell us to get over it feel they have to comment on every Hillary post about how awful she is, how awful her supporters are for supporting her, and how Bernie/Liz Warren/their grandma would have won over Trump.

    If we’re going to talk about who’s re-litigating the primaries, you Bernie Bros aren’t exactly innocent. Stop commenting on these kinds of posts at all if you really want to be true to your word.

    And if you’re so inclined, please block me to save me the trouble of having to block you. (Oh, who am I kidding? I’ll block you anyway.) Have a nice day.

    • beingreleased

      I commented yesterday that the people who say Hillary should step aside since she lost are excited about the prospect of Mitt running for Senate.

    • gene108

      What’s fascinating is how people want to run Hilary supporters down the old memory hole, like we never existed.

      Trump supporters get endless coverage.

      Bernie supporters get their share of coverage.

      But the supporters of the candidate, who got the most votes in 2016? It’s like we shouldn’t exist or participate in politics anymore.

    • Serai 1

      She’s living rent-free inside their tiny little heads, and they’re going insane trying to claw her out of there.

  • Joe Beese

    You never see Warren Buffet doing stuff like thjis.

    https://twitter.com/verge/status/907634700432416768

    • Anna Rompage

      If I got a $10 billion tax break to create a couple hundred jobs in Wisconsin, I’d be dancing like Michael Jackson too….

      • Old Man Yells at Cloud

        You are thinking of Foxconnjob. Jack Ma heads Alibaba which is a different company.

    • Bananas Foster

      I feel like Elon Musk does that every morning before showering.

  • D0ngR

    Fuck Barney Sandals.

  • DainBramage
  • BadKitty904

    I had a great deal of respect for Sanders up until – along with Putin, et al. – he helped cost the Dems the Presidency, out of vanity, spite, or worse. Sanders is just as responsible for America’s current state as Putin, Trump, McConnell, Ryan, et al.

    And I don’t intend to forget that.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Please please please forgive me for asking, but I feel like I missed all of Bernie’s shenanigans that people keep referring to. He endorsed her at the convention, right? I know he did a shit job condemning some of the violence that his supporters got into. But can you help me understand what he did to undermine Clinton in the general.

      You know me, I swear I am not trying to start a fight. I swear that I have Googled this and not gotten anything useful.

      • BreakingDeadMen

        Basically, I would say that his worst sins are how he allowed his campaign to be used as a conduit for fake news from the right wing and, as we now know, Russia. The way that he stoked a feeling of resentment and entitlement in his base and played on their conspiratorial leanings. How he badgered her with baseless innuendo and basically gave Trump a playbook to attack her in a way that is unusual from an intra-party rival. And, as a subset of that last, I thought it was especially vile the way he tried to make up for his lack of groundwork in the black community by dredging up out of context nonsense like “superpredators” from his nostalgia file to discredit her in the eyes of voters of color.

      • Les Appentis De la résistance

        and then he went around the country campaigning for her. WTF?

      • MrTusks

        Yeah, I’m kinda lost on this too. It seemed to me he just thought he could win the primary, so why give up? And for a while there, he could. It didn’t help that the other side had an unelectable clown and one could argue the Democratic primary was the real election.

      • Lord Jim

        He didn’t do much in the way of helping stump for Hillary as he said he would. And that “not confronting the BernieBros” thing was not a small problem.

      • gletternich

        He not only did a shit job of condemning his supporters’ antics, he came across as supporting them – e.g. that letter his campaign released after the Nevada convention, the gist of which was “my supporters are just passionate and the violence is really the establishment’s fault”.

        He supported a narrative that the primaries were rigged, which obviously made people more reluctant to support Hillary in the general if they thought she cheated Bernie and her primary win was illegitimate. I’ve seen people who aren’t even Bernie supporters say that they thought Bernie actually won and the DNC overturned the results to crown Hillary, because that was the narrative that was pervasive in certain sections of the left media sphere.

        • BreakingDeadMen

          Jesus, that letter was some horseshit

      • BadKitty904

        Since you asked:

        When Sanders finally realized what the rest of the world had known for some time – he had no chance of getting the Dem Presidential nomination – he conceded, with ill-grace, to Clinton, vowing to back her campaign, along with his cult, and push to save America from the horror we’re currently enduring. He then did as little as he publicly could to push for a Democratic victory, preferring to sulk rather than defeat our nation’s common enemy – the Russian-Republican Axis.

        Sanders is partly responsible for every minute of every hour of every day of the nightmare America has endured since January 20th. And he can count on Americans remembering that.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      The biggest knock on Sanders has always been his bulldog attitude. Which is great when you’re on the same side of the issue as he is. But if you cross him, he chomps down on your flank and doesn’t let go.

    • BreakingDeadMen

      His high water mark is grandstanding in the Senate. He’s good at yelling at bankers. But I wouldn’t trust him to run an Ice Cream Parlor.

      • IdRatherBeDancing

        Yet he has not the foggiest about how to responsibly break them up. Dude it was central plank of your campaign and you don’t even know how they fucking work other than Investment Banks — Bad! Sweet Jesus.

  • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

    Didn’t 12% of Sanders voters vote for Trump as a big FU to the Democrats? Yeah, I think we’re done with those guys. Done.

    • Stulexington

      I thought they voted for Trump because they were Trump supporters the whole time masquerading as democrats to sew disunity and mayhem.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      I think the number was 50% of Sanders voters in WV. Open primary, of course.

    • Serai 1

      I was done with them at least a month before the election. Life’s too short to drink bad wine, as the poet says.

  • Paperless Tiger

    Everybody’s mad at Hillary, because she keeps reminding us we could have had a really good president instead of a scumbag like Trump. That hurts.

    • Lord Jim

      Well put. It makes me crazy.

  • bbayliss

    Neil Gorsuch. Case closed.

  • Panika MCD

    I’ve been more annoyed with Sanders’ actions this year than even that stupid letter saying his more fanatical supporters wouldn’t have fucked shit up at the NV convention had the Dems “just respected them like they deserved”. (they were respected like they deserved. they’re pissants. they get no respect if they don’t give respect.)

    I mean, really. still pretending he’s the only hope for the Dems while not being part of the party STILL? giving more of a shit about his book sales than about those affected by natural disasters? not defending his colleagues when his little ANGELS go after them for being “insufficiently pure”? no. fuck him.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Oh, the NV convention. I got a whole lot of flak that I didn’t know what I was talking about when I quoted the convention rules despite the fact that I read the rules on the state party website, the rules were approved a year before Bernie even started running, and that the Sanders camp didn’t do the one basic thing that would have helped them and made sure all their people showed up (or sent proxies for the ones who could not). Oh, and that I didn’t know anything about Nevada politics despite being born here, raised here, and cutting my political teeth during the 2006 races for Senate and Governor.

      • Panika MCD

        well, of course, they were supposed to change the rules when the BoBs demanded it, right? because, what, are they supposed to actually read the rules or something? no. BoBs don’t read rules. they DEMAND their behavior be upheld by the rules because: all the privileged little white penises.

        • Beanz&Berryz

          I get that the Bobs don’t know/get/do rules, but Bernie as a Senator must totally know/get/do rules… so I don’t get the mix of Bobs, Bernie, and rule cluelessness…

          • Roadstergal

            The right loved to make fun of Obama for being a ‘community organizer,’ but it really was a strong check in his box in the primaries. I think it’s particularly the case when you’re a PoC trying to organize – you make damn sure that you have read every guideline and checked every box. It’s something that someone a little more privileged might not have had to think about…

          • Panika MCD

            how many pieces of legislation has Bernie passed? yeah, he’s not a fan of reading rules either.

          • Beanz&Berryz

            True… no-one has accused him of being a master parliamentarian… Making things happen that no-one thinks could happen because you work the rules…

      • Serai 1

        Nothing is ever their fault. Even a flat-out refusal to know ANYTHING is not their fault.

    • Marceline

      The good thing is that Bernie’s popularity is fading. Much like Trump he’s not broadening his support. Instead he’s basically whittling it down. I have friends who voted for him in the primary who are just tired of him because they see that Trump is the real enemy. Familiarity is starting to breed contempt.

      • Roadstergal

        It’s easy to snipe from the outside. Sooner or later, you’re going to have to start putting up some real work and real accomplishments.

        • Marceline

          That’s part of the reason I’m glad Dems are signing on to his healthcare bill. (Provided his lazy ass ever gets around to writing it.) Sanders doesn’t play well with others and he hates sharing credit.

    • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

      As a west coast Floridian who just dealt with hurricane Irma, (And much love and sympathy to Houston.) I say Fuck his over-inflated ego and greedy self. I have no patience for his total bullshit. I do not understand the Svengali effect he has on his acolytes.

      • Panika MCD
        • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

          I… damn who’s chopping onions around here. Damn onion ninjas. Power came back today. Eye was headed right for us then swerved at the last minute. We were luckier than most. It gave me even more sympathy for Houston. I hope your needs do not get eclipsed by ours. Thank you for the support.

          • Panika MCD

            I’m not in Houston, but everyone has been worried about Irma eclipsing the needs of Harvey victims. Houston has already eclipsed the needs of so many communities that were also hit. not that we don’t love Houston. Houston has nothing but love for the rest of the coast.

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            I just want every one to get what they need and worry that the rich will use this excuse to steal from those who need it most.

  • Crank Tango

    Why do these Bernie Bros remind me of the Pumas from 2008?

    • msanthropesmr

      My addidas.

      • BreakingDeadMen

        They talk too much, don’t they ever shut up?

    • Edith Prickly

      They’re the same people? (i.e. Republican trolls?)

  • jesterpunk

    Ok these Trump trolls and Bernie Bros are boring now.

    • Stulexington

      They were interesting up till now? And I thought I was forgiving and open minded, you have out niced a Canadian, wear it proudly.

      • proudgrampa

        Oh, I think jester just wanted to give them a chance to do something original, you know?

        • jesterpunk

          Yeah I was hoping the new ones would be a little better then the old bots. Nope they are just as bad.

          • proudgrampa

            Yup.

          • Serai 1

            I doubt they’re new. Probably just sock puppets.

      • jesterpunk

        I am messing with them with help from Serai 1 but they are pretty boring now. One started calling people Canadian, because that is some kind of insult somehow?

        • Stulexington

          Frankly I’m at the point where I’m just playing Bernie Bros Bingo. And letting them know that’s all the attention I’m paying their comments.

        • Serai 1

          It kept bringing up Trudeau. What’s he got to do with anything?

          • BreakingDeadMen

            Doonesberry has been great for years

    • Serai 1

      Yeah, I abandoned the last Hillary thread because they’re just running in circles, chasing the bullshit tied to their tails.

  • Proud Liberal
  • Joe Beese

    It took me a long time to become unbaitable on the subject of Bernie Sanders but I finally got there.

    I like Bernie Sanders. I wish everyone did, but whatever.

    Good luck, Democratic candidates. If you win, may you do right by us.

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      I like many of his positions. I have some strong reservations about him.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Bingo.

      • Les Appentis De la résistance

        Assuming basic honesty (i.e. not breaking the law or cheating on their spouse), positions are the only thing that matters when judging a politician. I don’t care that he smells bad.(allegedly)

      • Lord Jim

        I liked his economic populism, but now, well, the bloom is off the rose.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      This is becoming somewhat of a cliche, but I voted for Bernie in the primaries. I was impressed by his ethical stands, often decades ahead of their time, in a way that I was not by Clinton’s waffling. I’ll admit to my vote being strategic: Clinton has a nasty tendency towards complacency, so I wanted her scared.

      But what I didn’t want was what it became. All the attention very obviously went to Bernie’s head, and he seemed to think that he was meant, destined, to win. And when the Chosen One is derailed, only the devil can have sabotaged them. His undermining of the Democratic primaries and the Democratic candidate’s legitimacy will forever damn him in my eyes. May he be an object lesson that we on the left will often save the last bullet for each other when the real enemy is coming for us.

      • BreakingDeadMen

        I am so down with this. I usually support the further left of the candidates in the primary. They usually keep the debate honest. When Bernie entered, I thought, Oh, good, he makes fiery speeches in the Senate. I liked him through the first debate. But somewhere after that he took on all the worst, tinfoil qualities of the far left.

    • Proud Liberal

      Once Bernie embraced Cornel West, I was done with him. Couldn’t support him anymore.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Hey, I was a Bernie guy too. And when Hillary became the nominee, I was 100% for her. That describes a lot of Bernie supporters. Not all, unfortunately.

      I have to say, it’s a lot easier for the voters than the candidates. We can just accept our favorite – or second favorite, or whatever – and vote! It’s the candidates who have to articulate their objections to the other candidates in their party without mucking up their side’s chances. It’s a fine needle to thread. If Bernie fucked it up a little… well, all I can say is, I might have too.

    • Jenny

      I like his ideas but I don’t like him. If he had won, I would have voted for him over trump but by god it would have been hard because I hate his face.

      What I really dislike is the dead beat dad thing. It’s just glossed over now but theres no excuse for that.

  • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

    Some general conceits that Berners always seem to come up with was that

    1. The Dems somehow picked, selected, or otherwise simply crowned Clinton as the nominee, instead of her winning the primary in both votes and superdelegates.

    2. Had Bernie, despite losing said votes, been nominated, he would have won the general, because

    3. Hillary Clinton supporters would naturally have supported him, despite him actually and openly cheating her out of the nomination. Despite their refusal to vote for her, because she *supposedly* cheated him out of it. Somehow.

    Which leads to the overall, baseline assumption: only Clinton supporters are expected, nay required, to act like adults. And since we’re the only adults, we’re the only ones allowed to be at fault.

    • Proud Liberal

      Bingo!

    • Stulexington

      Hmm, expecting a payout by threatening to fuck your shit up, isn’t that what organized crime does?

      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        Ehh, I was more inclined to think of it as that kid who demands the game be played his way, or he goes home. Small petulant children, in other words.

        • Stulexington

          That’s true up to a point, but they’re not just threatening to take their ball and go home, they’re threatening to slash mom’s tires and then blame her when she can’t drive them to school and they have to walk.

          This isn’t just petulant child, this is a child that needs an intervention.

          • BreakingDeadMen

            The mob is made up
            of bad seeds fed and watered
            until they’re in full bloom

          • Edith Prickly

            It’s the Cartman gambit. “Screw you guyz, ah’m goin’ home.”

            Then he doesn’t leave.

        • Proud Liberal
          • fergawdssakes

            another corporate dem lie that a sizable % of bernie supporters voted against her. plenty even worked for her in the general

          • SineDie

            12% of his supporters voted for Trump. Is that a “corporate dem lie” too? 41,000 of his voters in MICHIGAN ALONE voted for Trump.

            Get your facts straight. Don’t go around calling truth-tellers liars. After a while, you can’t tell the difference.

          • fergawdssakes

            Fact: the vast majority of bernie supporters voted for HRC and many even worked for her but that doesn’t stop you from trying dismiss them as immature and misogynistic.
            Any candidate not pushing for election reform is a bad one.

      • Tiny kaiju

        Also how Tea Baggers operate.

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      Also that he is unqualified and unelectable, too. What was he going to do, yell “free college” at Putin and Duterte?

      • BreakingDeadMen

        That didn’t even save Burlington.

      • violet moon

        You’re the best.

    • Lord Jim

      Excellent summary.

    • Lefty Wright

      Right. And the claim that the Democrats can only win by acceding to all the Bernie demands sort of forgets that the majority of Democrats voted for the more moderate candidate. And that without those moderates, the Bernie faction cannot win either. But as you said, they expect the moderates to accept the reality that virtually any Democrat is better than any Republican and go along with them. While they continue to demand “my way or the highway”.

    • King Beauregard

      “Hillary Clinton supporters would naturally have supported him, despite him actually and openly cheating her out of the nomination. Despite their refusal to vote for her, because she *supposedly* cheated him out of it. Somehow.”

      I think the Bernie Bros are right about this, as far as it goes. But where this fails is that Bernie would have demonstrated his complete unfitness for the presidency the first time he came under Republican attack, and Bernie would have driven away every independent who had been on his side. Bernie would have imploded because of scandals, unpreparedness, and just generally being Bernie.

  • ExpatGirl

    Wonkette is my safe space today. Bros and the idiot women who love them are out in force with their splody heads mucking up my Hill book joy.

    She calls Chaffetz a “wannabe Javert”. Lol!

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      sadly, it’s not going to be safer here.

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        But here there are awesome people shouting down the bros

      • ExpatGirl

        Meh. Here I can tell the cultists to fuck off. Doing that on sites like DKos gets me in trouble.

    • Serai 1

      I hate to break this to ya…

  • AnnieGetYerFun

    I know I am not supposed to criticize her outfits, but I am not approving of that shirt.

    Mind you, I am wearing ripped jeans and a hoodie to work, so I don’t really know much about fashion.

    ETA: Actually, I know a fair bit, but I’m lazy as fuck.

    • proudgrampa

      You fashionista, you!

  • Mr. Blobfish

    If Bernie really wanted to be president, he should have started murdering his enemies 40 years ago.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      He had way more time than Hillary to Vince Foster the fuck out of the GOP. But what did he do? Zip.

    • Bananas Foster

      Oh, but then he would have been over prepared!

      • Serai 1

        No, no. MEN are never over-prepared.

    • Panika MCD

      he could have also helped some other candidates out by killing their enemies. maybe he would have received more high profile endorsements!

      • Lord Jim

        I remember Bernie saying, after HRC got the nom, that he would do everything he could to help get her elected. Except that seems to have turned out to be fuckall. Is that just me?

        • Panika MCD

          he did some rallies in the Rust Belt…just not with the people he needed to be talking to. he was talking to his adoring acolytes. she needed him talking to unions.

        • Marceline

          The first thing he did was take a few months off to write a book. His lazy petulant, passive-aggressive ass stayed sabotaging her in the most petty ways possible.

          • Carpe Vagenda

            The week before the election, while the cops were committing human rights violations against the DAPL protesters on the nightly news, he used his list (and the DNC’s) to blast e-mail his list that it was the last chance to stop Hillary from doing DAPL.

            Which she wasn’t.

    • Stella Thomas

      Sure, they want to take out Seth Rich but leave Roger Effing Stone walking around shooting his mouth off for 40 years. Real strategic.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    This reminds me!

    – Checks Amazon for order status

    – “Preparing for Shipment”

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/67231863e279de4628894a5c704d7a300bee35897f3fdbd08ebbdeb46df9bafc.jpg

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      Can I borrow it when you’re done?

      • Lord Jim

        I’ve contemplated getting the Kindle version for instant gratification, but the book fetishist in me has deemed that this one is too important to be represented by a mere electronic version. (Kindle Matchbook program, also, too, heh heh)

        • SisterArtemis

          I decided to go the Kindle route for now (because I read when I’m out and about, and it’s easier to carry), and if I liked the book (and I do! somewhere in Chapter 3 as of this morning), I’ll pick the hardback up in a year or two when it hits the markdown table. All political autobiographies hit the bargain table relatively fast, so I should be able to pick it up for $5 or less at some point.

          • Lord Jim

            Smart shopper! And you are quite right about political autobios going real cheap real quick.

  • UnsaltedSinner
  • alwayspunkindrublic

    I voted for Bernie in the primaries, despite my abject horror at the thought of Jane Sanders wearing tie-dyed hippie t-shirts in White House. Once I got over that hurdle, Hillary’s pantsuits weren’t an issue.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    One last little message for the Bernie Bros before I move on:

    If you are wearing a “Hindsight is 2020” shirt with Bernie’s image, or you endorse that sentiment, you don’t get to bitch about how we should stop litigating the primary and move on. That is all TYVM.

    • Panika MCD

      we’re not the ones litigating it. she won fair and square. they’re the ones who can’t accept that. don’t even accept the premise that it’s us who are relitigating the primary.

    • Serai 1

      Re-litigating is only for PEEPLZ WHO’R RITE BOUT THANGS!!!!!

    • Lord Jim

      I think Bernie needs a lesson in political parties. I freely admit that I did. A couple of helpful folks, primarily Zippy, slapped me around til the haze cleared. :D

    • IdRatherBeDancing

      ugh — that is a thing? — my eyes will roll permanently back in my head if I see that.

      • Marceline

        Not only is that a thing, they were selling those at a rally for Rob Quist in Montana during the special election because at the end of the day Bernie can’t take a backseat to anyone, not even the candidates he’s supposed to be supporting.

  • ariel_gee_398

    To be a politician on the national stage, you need to be a certain level of narcissistic. Convinced your ideas are the best, worth fighting for, and that people should rally behind you. When dudes do it, they’re brave and confident. When ladies do, they’re pushy and shrill. It has ever been thus.

    It seems to me that when Hillary’s supporters started to attack Bernie’s narcissism and self-belief, all of a sudden that was a bridge too far.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    I was all set to vote with my vagina. But noooo!

    • Marceline

      If I voted with my vagina, Idris Elba would be president now because he is my vagina’s preferred candidate.

      • Stella Thomas

        Lol

      • The Flaming Carrot

        Oh, snap!

      • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

        I feel faint all of a sudden.

  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    OT but, is Alex Jones still alive after outing the whole lets drug the predisent with drugs that he doesn’t voluntarily consume plot?

    • Panika MCD

      I haven’t checked, but no one has nuked the area he lives in if that helps.

      • Lord Jim

        Oh, they don’t kill you – too much of a tipoff. They prefer to discredit you. Which is working a treat in AJ’s case. Which means, of course, that he’s right. #conspiracylogic

    • Anna Rompage

      Personally I think the need to up Trump’s dosage (at least triple of what he’s currently receiving), before he manages to do more damage to our country…

    • Edith Prickly

      Depends on your definition of “alive.”

      • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

        Good point. I should edit to read, “…still eating his own kind and excreting biliousness?”

  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    Can we please grow up and stop pretending that the same mouth-breathers who voted Dolt 45 into office would have been able or willing to understand what a “socialist” is? Had Bernie been the nominee, Dump would’ve won the damn popular vote and not have needed Russian help to do it. The numbers of people who believe that “socialism” – “communism” and that “socialists” are all about taking everything away from hard-working ‘muricans to give to unworthy blahs and messicans is well over the 77,000 he was gifted by whatever gawd it is who hates the rest of us.

    • Serai 1

      god doesn’t hate us. It’s just busy on the other side of the universe, making stuff.

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        That’s somewhat comforting. I like it.

    • Lord Jim

      I concluded a while back that Bernie winning the nom would not have resulted in Trump’s defeat. A Jew and self-proclaimed socialist running against a Lonesome Rhodes style demagogue? Yep. THAT would have TOTALLY gone well.

      • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

        There’s a reason why Donnie was praising Bernie and supporting his arguments that the Dem primary was “rigged”. And it wasn’t out of some sort of empathy – the oppo research on Bernie goes back 40+ years, and some of it is pretty damn nasty stuff. His support for Castro alone would have probably taken Florida off the board.

        • JustPretendImNotHere

          There is a reporter for Newsweek who claims to have seen the GOP “oppo” on Sanders and says it’s massive. He would have been slaughtered and now there’s the investigation of Burlington College on the table. If he runs again, it’s going to be ugly.

    • Marceline

      And can we also admit that Bernie as nominee would’ve unleashed a hellscape of anti-Semitism? That wouldn’t be his fault but after seeing the misogyny from Hillary haters and the anti-Obama racism that brought us birtherism, let’s stop kidding ourselves that the American electorate isn’t filled with hate and bias.

  • Jenny

    Also wtf Jane Pauley… Why bring this all up??!!

    Because it happened?

  • Serai 1

    but we’re following up either A) just to annoy you, B) because we like her or C) a savory combination of A and B.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/31dde0ff17bc67440fdddbd4dfaf60469722e39b641fa9744ef876f43211cd4f.gif

  • Timothy Watson

    This is just … true. Goddammit, Hillary, stop it with your quote-unquote “REALITY.”

    I read a couple pages on Kindle during my lunch break and talks in the first chapter about the lack of a “reality-based community” nowadays.

    And she also talks about how people came up to her after the election and apologized for not voting for her. She doesn’t let them off.

    In other words, buy her book assholes!

    • Carpe Vagenda

      I listened to the first hour. I think I’m going to have to parcel it out.

    • jesterpunk

      I am buying it on Friday for my iPad and a physical copy.

  • BreakingDeadMen

    This should have been the end of Sanders, even for people who agreed with his ostensible principles:

    >>Daily News: (You are running on breaking up the banks. How would you break up the banks? What would that look like)

    Sanders: I’m not running JPMorgan Chase or Citibank.

    Daily News: No. But you’d be breaking it up.

    Sanders: That’s right. And that is their decision as to what they want to do and how they want to reconfigure themselves. That’s not my decision. All I am saying is that I do not want to see this country be in a position where it was in 2008, where we have to bail them out. And, in addition, I oppose that kind of concentration of ownership entirely.<<

    Seriously, that's some bullshit right there. The banks are so bad, ripping us off some viciously, so let's trust them to break themselves up? The man shows he has no understand of the issue beyond what fits on a bumper sticker. The very least he could have said is something like "The banks have functions and products that are useful and helpful, and they do things that are predatory and destructive. We are going to figure out which things are in the latter category and force them to wind them down." But he doesn't even understand it that well.

    • jesterpunk

      But it fits on a bumper sticker.

    • IdRatherBeDancing

      This. He doesn’t even know how they work much less know how to “break” them up never mind the adverse effects on the economy. It was just like FREE COLLEGE — and that gets paid, how? and through Paul Ryan’s House how?

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      His bill to “break up the big banks” is a blue sky policy statement, but in terms of actually doing something it basically says “let the Treasury Department figure it out”.

      • BreakingDeadMen

        Brown could write a real bill on that, Sanders can’t.

      • Bub, the cynical zombie

        Much of his platform was blue sky policy statements. I’ve never understood how supposedly intelligent people could have convinced themselves that he had a hope in hell of getting most of his legislative agenda through Congress.

    • Marceline

      That interview was a testament to white male mediocrity. He didn’t even try to be prepared. His whole campaign was like that. He basically ran on a dare.

      • BreakingDeadMen

        He had a compelling stump speech. But there was literally nothing behind it. And instead of surrounding himself with people who knew policy, he recruited mainly celebrities to wreak havoc.

    • Les Appentis De la résistance

      They will deport themselves.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    One thing became clear to me: The Trump campaign spent literally NO time, money, or effort going after Bernie. Quite the opposite in fact. Why? Because they weren’t afraid of him. In fact, they were licking their chops. But yeah, Bernie would’ve won.

    • BreakingDeadMen

      The Nazis that supported Trump would have flocked to him. That’s just obvious.

    • Roadstergal

      If anyone thinks that the combination of the Republicans, Russia, and Bannon didn’t have a nasty-ass campaign all ready to go to town on Bernie, they’re high.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        The “Jew”” card would’ve been played, and played hard. And it would’ve worked.

        • Bub, the cynical zombie

          The socialism card as well. And anyone who doesn’t think that one would have been effective has no goddamn business opining on American politics.

          • ariel_gee_398

            The only way white men with silly hair can be successful politicians is if they are libertarians or conservatives. Socialists just can’t afford the indulgence.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Rats. The silly hair clause disqualifies me from elected office, apparently.

          • Rowen

            I have a ton of friends under 30 who think that no one really cares about socialism these days. I’m thinking “where the fuck have you been the last eight years”

        • ExpatGirl

          The commie card was the one they were holding on to. Fox let the cat out of the bag one day. They had him taxing everyone at 90% and kept quoting Karl Marx in relation to him.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            True. But never underestimate anti-semitism and racism in general in USA America.

      • Vincent Ricola

        And it would’ve been brutal. We all knew Hillary’s smear baggage, it had been public knowledge for most of my life, and were prepared to fight it.

        But Bernie would’ve been eviscerated if anyone would’ve bothered going after him. Instead Hillary tried to make nice while the GOP played the passive-aggressive “what about poor Bernie” card to the least politically sophisticated among us.

    • ExpatGirl

      There was a ‘hands off’ strategy from the entire right. Fox News slipped up one day and said what they really thought about Bernie. It wasn’t pretty. If he had won, they would have made mincemeat out of him.

    • BigCSouthside

      The only campaign ad they would have had to run is showing him as a socialist and equating it to communism. The old school republicans would have come out in droves to stop that. I’d wager he would have lost on that point alone, due to ignorance of socialism and 50 years of anti communist propaganda

      • Les Appentis De la résistance

        He honeymooned in the Soviet Union. Manchurian candidate anyone? I’m sure Putin has access to all kinds of surviellence film and photos.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Some of the people who shop at Costco, belong to unions and energy co-ops, and get Social Security. “Socialism is evil!”.

  • WillJ

    I supported Sanders in the primary because he advocated more ideas that favored the middle class than Secretary Clinton. I voted for Hillary and supported her in the general because she was not Trump (or any other Republican). I’ve been a Democrat longer than Hillary, never ever voted Republican, and I considered Sanders’ platform to be more in line with contemporary Democratic ideals.

    I now understand why many “vaginas” did not want her to be our nominee (during the primaries, I found at least half Sanders supporters to be females). Her comments seem that she has a sense of entitlement, like it was her “turn” to be the nominee. For a brilliant attorney, she uses sweeping generalizations and ad hominem statements to excuse her defeat like her pejorative comments about Sanders supporters.

    Frankly, if she was a true leader, she should accept responsibility for a poorly executed campaign and otherwise STFU. Obviously she was the wrong candidate; it’s debatable (and irrelevant) that Sanders was more viable, but Secretary Clinton would serve the Party by bowing out with dignity rather than petulance.

    • BreakingDeadMen

      Bernie can go first with the showing dignity.

      • Les Appentis De la résistance

        He’s a senator. He has a job.

        • Marceline

          You wouldn’t know that from his famewhoring.

          • theblackdog

            Maybe we should start calling him Bernie Rubio-Cruz

        • BreakingDeadMen

          His job is being an asshole

    • Moebym of the Returners

      Your comment is proving her right. Calling her “petulant”, telling her to STFU…you’re not doing a great job of cloaking your double standards.

      This is a free country, and she can say or do whatever the hell she wants now that she’s not in public office. She doesn’t have to STFU on account of people like you not wanting to hear from her again; in fact, I hope she speaks out more often from now on just to annoy the shit out of you.

    • Stella Thomas

      You just don’t even see the double standard.

    • Daniel

      “For a brilliant attorney, she uses sweeping generalizations and ad
      hominem statements to excuse her defeat like her pejorative comments
      about Sanders supporters.”

      In other words “she hurts my feelings so she’s wrong”.

      “Frankly, if she was a true leader, she should accept responsibility for a poorly executed campaign”

      1) she has
      2) that poorly executed campaign got her three million more votes than Trump.
      I don’t see how that’s poor execution, myself.

      “Obviously she was the wrong candidate”

      Again- 3 million more votes than the man she stood against, with an infinitely better developed platform, actual policies and experience, and a deep knowledge of what it was she was talking about.

      “Secretary Clinton would serve the Party by bowing out with dignity rather than petulance.”

      I don’t really see her behaviour as petulant.

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        Bernie, on the other hand, looked like he was sucking lemons when he ever so reluctantly made his concession speech. Like petulance personified.

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        Somehow that just gets funnier the more it goes on.

      • Bub, the cynical zombie

        I can’t help but think of all the people I’d like to see lying face up on the receiving end of that. Trump, Trump Jr, Jeff Sessions, Ann Coulter, Ted Cruz, Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh…

      • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

        This is actually a very insightful meta summary of this entire post and the Bro-related infighting.

        “Eternal RINO Shit.”

        That is, historically speaking, it is this kind of purity crap that pretty much originated with Teabag Party loons vs. Establishment R’s (now, vs. BreitBannonBarters,) and is shit, and IT NEVER ENDS.

    • BigCSouthside

      She won more votes in the primary and general.

      Bernie won progressivism a seat at the big boy table. We are empowered to influence. We are not empowered to make demands, and sure as shit are not empowered to take on the republicans by ourselves.

    • Nasty Woman Persisted

      While I did vote for Bernie in the primaries, and Hillz in the general, I have no problem saying the Bernie supporters are deplorable. Bernie is no Democrat, he is an Independent. Because he wanted financial support, he became a D to run, and quickly went I upon losing. The DNC had NO reason to support him over Hillz seeing as Hillz is and was a D. I think you need to STFU about Bernie losing. Get over it.

      • BreakingDeadMen

        I would have voted for him if my state voted early. His campaign had betrayed the early promise by the time it came here. If he had tried to keep his supporters in line, stood up to their obvious misbehavior and dissemination of lies, I would have kept respect for him. But he either could not or would not exert any control over them–and I suspect it was some of both.

      • Les Appentis De la résistance

        It wasn’t for financial support. He’s smart enough to know third party’s do more harm than good in our system. He was trying to leftify the Dem party and I think he succeeded doing that.

    • ahh_2_2
      • Daniel

        People who support Hillary should shut the fuck up so people who really liked Bernie can feel superior and untouchable.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      I see. So she, alone, out of every failed Presidential candidate for the last 25 years, should shuffle off the stage and never be seen again. Bernie is permitted to write a book excoriating the Clinton wing of the party, but she should not have because it is “divisive”.
      Suggest you ruminate on these thoughts a bit, then maybe revise your statement?

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      Obviously she was the wrong candidate? Is that why she won the popular vote by more than 3 million votes?

      • ExpatGirl

        And crushed Bernie in the primary.

    • runfastandwin

      A) Blame Trump voters. It’s no one’s fault but theirs. 2. Your diatribe surely proves Wonkette’s point. You are the one that needs to stow the petulance and STFU. She has endured 30+ years of right wing / mainstream media slander and calumny and is still fighting. C) Likely the only bad thing that ever happened to you was you dropped your toothbrush in the toilet…

    • Les Appentis De la résistance

      It was her turn and the party treated it that way. It was he turn in 2008 too but that young whipper snapper didn’t think so.

    • Rowen

      Isn’t Hillary in her 70s? Just how old are you? Or are you thinking of Elizabeth Warren, who actually did vote for Reagan, before becoming a Democrat?

    • Chyron HR

      “A true leader […] should accept responsibility for a poorly executed campaign and otherwise STFU.”

      And yet Bernie is still insisting that he was, dare I say, “entitled” to the Democratic nomination despite losing the primary. Go figure.

    • Serai 1
    • Lord Jim

      Thirty years of being slandered by the right wing noise machine and the “mainstream media”, soldiering on and serving her country with distinction regardless, as well as establishing a foundation that has done real good in the world…And all you got is “STFU and go away”?

      FUCK. YOU.

  • calliecallie

    I feel like my choices are slim on wonkette today. I don’t want to revisit the whole Hillary sadness and I don’t want to read about Ted Cruz porn.
    I’m going out to the courtyard to play scrabble in the sun on my hand held. Happy lunch hour!
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  • Occam’s 8 ball

    Thanks for sharing your most deeply held feelings, Evan! Oh, also, Bless your heart!

  • TJ Barke

    Isn’t it a little early in the day for a flame war?

  • Stulexington

    I liked Sanders during most of the primaries. I supported Clinton after the primaries because why the fuck do I even need to continue, she was the democratic candidate FFS. Also too the Republican candidate was the embodiment of everything that’s wrong with America.

    • ahh_2_2

      Fuck off Bernie bro.

      • Daniel

        Your self-pity is showing again.

      • Stulexington

        Nope, not on the card, try again.

  • ahh_2_2

    After spending sometime reacquainting myself with Wonkette, I renounce all my brosocialist ways that started back in 2003 when I criticized her for supporting the Iraq War (sorry I shouldn’t have mentioned it) and am convinced that Hillary is the one and true candidate, and I insist that Democrats nominate her at least three more times and perhaps more. It’s especially vital that 2020 be a total rehash of 2016. Hillary must be vindicated!!!!!

    • Shanzgood

      2/10

      • jesterpunk

        Are you grading on a curve?

        • Shanzgood

          Sorry. There’s been a lot of derp today.

          • jesterpunk

            Cant wait for DSFB this weekend, there is enough material for the rest of the year in the Hillary threads.

      • Bub, the cynical zombie

        You are scoring quite generously, methinks.

    • jesterpunk
    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      You really are bad at sarcasm. Terrible snark skills. Have to up your game a little bit.

    • Daniel

      Sarcasm loses its edge when it’s whiny and self-pitiful.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Someone’s being pissy…

    • Anna Rompage

      Concern trolling… Gaslighting… What’s next? Are you going to try to abuse us like you do your girlfriend?

      • Les Appentis De la résistance

        girlfriend? Ha, that’s a good one. The only thing receiving abuse is a sock.

        • ariel_gee_398

          The only question is: MGTOW or Incel?

        • ahh_2_2

          Yeah, well fuck you too.

        • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

          HE HAS A NAME, YU JERK!!!1

          IT’S GYM!

      • ahh_2_2

        Wow an actual “when did you stop beating your wife question.”

    • Daniel

      I’m going to ask you honestly- do you honestly consider her winning three million more votes than Trump to be a sign that she was as horrifically unpopular as you say she is elsewhere?

      • ahh_2_2

        She was running against the most unpopular man in the history of presidential polling. A man with zero campaign infrastructure. So yes.

        • Daniel

          And you seriously think Sanders would have been more popular (despite not getting enough votes to actually become the nominee)?

          • Panika MCD

            I believe that tenet one of the Brocialist Code is to believe Bernie would have won no matter what.

          • ahh_2_2

            Yes he is more popular. By a lot. Do you read polls?

          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            Uh yeah, they were called “the Democratic primary.” Did you?

            Oh, right. Because more moderate Dems would just accept Bernie being crowned the nominee despite lacking the votes. That totally would have happened.

          • ahh_2_2

            For clarification I am not a Bernie fanatic. I never considered him an ideal candidate, but I like the issues he raised so I voted for him in the primary and Clinton in the general. I don’t think the primary was “stolen from him.” And I don’t think he should run in 2020.

          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            Then exactly what is your point? Because our generalized beef is with people who, in a fit of pique, didn’t vote for Clinton and helped deliver the country to Trump.

          • Daniel

            Yes, but I notice you’ve had some confusion with tenses there. We are talking about during the election, the one where he didn’t secure the nomination because he didn’t get enough votes. Again, that tends to correlate with not being as popular as the person that did.

          • ahh_2_2

            I’m talking about among the American public as a whole. Trump was and is immensely unpopular but he still won the GOP primary.

          • Bub, the cynical zombie

            Too bad the American public as a whole was not voting in Republican primaries.

          • SisterArtemis

            Is Disqus fucking with me, or did the comment you are replying to get axed? It shows your comment as a reply, but also as a top-level comment? hmmmm

          • Serai 1

            Disqus constantly fucks up with comment position.

          • jesterpunk
          • alwayspunkindrublic

            The classics never get old.

          • Anna Rompage

            And yet he lost the primary to Hillary…

            Maybe he should ave run as a 3rd party candidate instead of betraying his values and joining the dem party…

          • miss_grundy
          • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

            POLLS!

            Remember how Trump was losing to Hillary in those same things? Pretty consistently, All of them polls, Katie?

            SO YES! Let’s do count on those to support our arguments!

          • Bub, the cynical zombie

            Doing well in those sort of polls is nice, but essentially meaningless. It’s like how the most popular guy on a losing football team is the back up quarterback. Get in the game and throw some tds against first team defenses, you’ll get props. Until then it don’t mean shit.

          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            From what I can tell for Berners, the Democratic primary basically went like this:

            1. BERNIE WINS A HUGE NUMBER OF PRIMARY STATES!!!1!
            2. [Something happens, they get mumbly about this part]
            3. CHEATING CORRUPTION CORONATION HE REALLY WON HAX

          • theblackdog

            4. MAKE ALL STATES CAUCUS INSTEAD OF USE PRIMARIES! (Conveniently ignore that caucuses favor old retired white people who have time to stand around and show off who they’re voting for)

          • miss_grundy

            Or that the Republicans weren’t prepared with opposition research that would have killed Bernie? We live in a country where the majority of the population only has a high school education. They cannot differentiate between socialism and communism and the Republicans have their own propaganda network, known as Fox News Channel besides RWNJ radio broadcasters.

        • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

          A fact that didn’t prevent Bernie from losing to her. Hmm. Maybe it’s not as simple as that?

          • ahh_2_2

            John Kasich is a lot more popular than Trump and he still lost

          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            Because the Republican base level of support is 40%, no matter how much a flaming bag of garbage their candidate is. Our side is much less lockstep and so many of our hobby horses and preferences need to be sacrificed to capture what undecideds are left. Because otherwise we get this fucking horror show.

          • ahh_2_2

            no

          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            Oh ok, cool.

    • Stulexington

      Ooooh self righteous sarcasm, you are a gold mine for this bingo card.

      • Daniel

        Self-pitying whiny sarcasm. It’s like all the grown up comics do.

        • Stulexington

          The crowd booing me is censorship!

          • P’jama Pahnts

            That’s not what censorship is.

    • Treg Brown
    • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

      You do not possess a sense of humor and should avoid attempting to be funny.

      • ahh_2_2

        Not trying to. Just repenting my ways.

        • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

          kiss my entire ass

          • BreakingDeadMen

            Yes, kiss it on all sides.

          • ahh_2_2

            I thought we were supposed to kiss Clinton’s ass?

          • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

            Pretty sure I told you not to try being funny; you simply will not be able to.

          • ahh_2_2

            Well once again, this site stopped being funny a while ago, so I’m in good company.

          • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

            How could you possibly know if something has stopped being funny?

        • Daniel

          You’re whining. It’s sad.

          • ahh_2_2

            This whole damn thread is a big wail about how unfair the world is to Hillary.

          • Daniel

            Yes, yes. When really everyone should realise that pointing out how wrong you are and how tired your complaints are is being mean and they should stop so you can keep complaining about Hillary some more.

          • ahh_2_2

            I’m perfectly comfortable with letting Wonkette be the resting home for the embittered Clinton or bust true believers. This must be where they all go, because I don’t see them anywhere else.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            except that is bullshit, considering about half the people here were Sanders supporters in the primaries. Nut hey, don’t let facts and reality get in the way of your dumb dishonest rant

          • ahh_2_2

            Yeah except they’ve left for more stimulating relevant environment.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Except, no we haven’t dipshit. We’re right here, making fun of your dumb ass

          • ahh_2_2

            Which is kind of like being laughed out of the dorm lobby by a gang of Mountain Dew swigging D&D players for not knowing the difference between an orc and a ogre.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Actually , it’s nothing like that dipshit. Nobody cares about your typical Saturday night, dullard. You made a claim and you were wrong- end of story.

          • ahh_2_2

            You are such a total idiot. Enjoy your rest home creep.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Hurr Durr, flounce away

            ROFL

          • ahh_2_2
          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Awww, how cute. Did you spend all day looking for a random GIF to express your opinions? Thinking for yourself is so haaaard…

          • ahh_2_2

            That’s the best you’ve got?

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Not at all, child. It’s all you deserve- big difference, lol

          • Daniel

            Your actions seem to belie that claim.

          • ahh_2_2

            Don’t worry, I’ll leave it to you all. Haven’t read this in a couple years, and its probably the last time. And I’m in good company.

        • William
      • ahh_2_2

        Neither does Wonkette anymore so I’m in good company.

        • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

          OK thanks dickhead.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef
    • Panika MCD

      have you criticized Bernie for supporting the PLCAA? maybe you’re not as much of a peacenik as you claim to be then.

      also: since when is a white man thinking he should be able to speak for and make up the minds of women he doesn’t personally know a Democratic or democratic ideal?

      • ahh_2_2

        Who said I was a “peacenik.” And since you’re asking that question than why don’t try to answering your rather murky inquiry.

        • Panika MCD

          I’m not going to spoon feed it to you. not my job. it’s not a murky question. you just don’t know as much as you think you do and are to lazy to google it yourself. if I tried to explain it to you, you’d be too lazy to read the explanation. I know, being a Bernie-or-Busted is hard. have you thought about giving up?

    • Tio_Doidinho

      It’s BROCIALIST, son. Learn to how to spell the term that defines you before you attempt to make jokes about it.

      • ahh_2_2

        I’m actually not really one anyway, so I can’t spell it.

        • Tio_Doidinho

          Well you certainly have that distinct stench.

    • Daniel

      Not one for snappy portmanteaus, I see.

    • Serai 1
    • Zippy W Pinhead

      shut up, idjit

  • runfastandwin

    I never understood why the Democrats didn’t tell Sanders to either join the party or fuck off. He still sucks.

  • Fartknocker

    But it’s still OK to strongly dislike Jill Stein and Susan Sarandon, correct? I know we’re all cool with bakers who make cool cakes for all genders, which I thought I would share because who doesn’t like cake?

    • WeaselPoo

      Fartnocker! I cherish your past patronage.
      I think perhaps beyond the upfist-downvote chevrons there may be room for a Cut of Your Gib LikeDislike clicky thing.

    • theblackdog

      Mmmm cake, and yes Susan Sarandon can do a lot of things that would violate commenting rules.

      Also I want to find a better non-gendered insult to refer to her in the RHPS audience callbacks.

    • Serai 1

      Those two can go scissor themselves into a coma, as far as I’m concerned.

  • Lefty Wright

    One thing that really annoyed me during the general election campaign was the constant barrage of Hillary Hate on certain left wing web sites, including articles and comments. Once the primary was over and the nominee selected, the loser should have stepped up immediately and condemned anyone claiming to have been a supporter criticizing the nominee. But Bernie never spoke out against that. Other than one comment in February 2016 about the email issue, I am not aware of any public statement he made to try to tamp down attacks on Clinton by his followers. If he was not aware of it, he was the only one following the election campaign. He appeared to be more concerned about preserving his brand after the assaults he took by his followers simply from a lackluster endorsement of Clinton at the convention and stuck mainly to his policies during the post convention campaigning. Add in that it took weeks for him to actually step up and start campaigning for Clinton.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-hillary-clinton-monday-article-1.2774441

    While Bernie was not the only problem she faced, any one of which could have changed the outcome if they did not occur, the actions of his hard core acolytes must be counted as a factor. If Comey had not editorialized about the email investigation in July, then sent a vaguely worded letter to congress just days before the election saying new evidence needed to be investigated, it could have turned out differently. If the Benghazi investigations had not been stretched out all the way into the campaign season, the innuendo that tarnished her reputation would have been squelched. If Russia had not been involved in social media, including the Sanders social media sites, it could have been different. But like the basketball game that is lost by one point in the last second, any number of events during the game could have changed that to a one point victory. You cannot exclude any of them, including the sloppy pass in the first minute of the game. And you cannot exclude the Bernie faction in helping Trump win.

    • BreakingDeadMen

      When Sanders supporters started reposting articles from the Daily Caller about superdelegates and videos about Travelgate and Vince Foster, they became Bernie Bros. When they started bitching about the DNC committing voter fraud, especially in Republican states, they became as bad as Info Warriors, IMO.

      • Lefty Wright

        The superdelegates is particularly galling. Bernie used that to keep the dissension running for weeks after she had locked up the nomination. And used it for months before to try to claim the primary was rigged. She always maintained a lead in committed delegates and the superdelegates were not about to go against the will of the majority. Even before the California primary, it was obvious she had the majority of committed delegates, but Bernie played that card to try to upset the majority preference. After that vote by California and a few other states on June 7, she had it locked up. But Bernie continued hammering at her and trying to use the superdelegates for his purposes. If anyone wishes there had been no superdelegates, it was Hillary, not Bernie.

        • BreakingDeadMen

          He got so high on his own supply. If he would have conceded earlier, like when he was actually well and truly defeated, he could have gotten some meaningful concessions. Hell, he still did, but he stepped on his own dick by involving assholes like Cornell West and Norman Soloman to important positions instead of people who were actually invested in electoral politics. So, Trump wins and he gets nothing. Well, except campaign contributions, but he’s so pure there can’t possibly be corruption there.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            eggzactly, he got swept up in the overwhelming popularity and started believing his own press

    • pstokk

      This multiple causes thing is important and would help avoid a lot of pointless bickering if people would just remember how, umm, reality works.

      • Lefty Wright

        Yeah, Clinton had her own errors. But the point is no one can say “not my fault”. Which is what many of the Bernie followers are doing.

  • Of course, there’s also the fact that Bernie Sanders was not a Democrat, even though he was allowed to run in the primary.

  • Bren

    For the first time ever I’m feeling sympathy for Bill. The shit he must still be getting for that blowjob.

    • I feel more sorry for us, that spunk-stain on Monica’s dress launched the career of one Jonah Goldberg, mendacious moron.

  • ariel_gee_398

    The one thing that genuinely puzzles me is the overlap of Bernie Bros and racial justice/criminal justice reform advocates. Bernie never went out of his way to talk about racial inequality until forced, and his ideas were mostly “lift everyone up and racism will go away.” That’s not close to true. It assumes all black people are poor, and a whole host of other things that just don’t acknowledge reality. So why?

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Ummm, *cough* Vermont *cough*.

      • Roadstergal

        THIS. He chose Vermont for a reason.

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          That was of the things I realized about Bernie. He was used to being idolized in a state that is overwhelmingly white, liberal, and affluent. Things are a bit messier out in the darker provinces.

    • Catstro

      Because he told white racial justice/criminal justice reform advocates that they could solve racism without having to directly confront their own inherent racial biases while playing to their white savior complexes?

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        the white liberal’s burden…

      • ariel_gee_398

        I was talking more about the black activists, not white ones. The white ones I get.

        • Catstro

          I can’t speak for any of his supporters that are people of color, but it seemed that the majority of them were young (I’m sure there’s hard data on that, so feel free to correct me if I’m wrong ), and for Reasons he tapped into that demographic better than she did.

    • ahh_2_2

      No.

    • Serai 1

      Because some people can’t stand the idea of a woman running things.

    • BreakingDeadMen

      Sanders basically started out with the far left of the part of American politics that is involved with electoral politics at all and worked his way from there. So movement people were gettable for him.

  • Red Bird

    All of this infighting confuses me because I was part of the Obama For Emperor movement. And you guys see how that worked out. :(

    • Lord Jim

      Four More Decades! Four More Decades! :P

      • BreakingDeadMen

        I wouldn’t have done that to Michelle.

  • x111e7thst

    I voted for H in the primary and of course in the general. She picked the wrong VP candidate. Should have gone with someone who could pull a couple 100k voters rather than someone she wanted to work with.

    • Lefty Wright

      Yeah, I think that was one error. Someone like Sherrod Brown would have brought in voters in exactly the states she lost by small margins.

      • It’s that whole misguided notion that the Democratic Party needs to have a Southerner on the ballot, even though that’s not a winning strategy.

        • Lefty Wright

          Not necessarily a southerner. But Kaine was, if anything, to the right of Clinton. She needed someone slightly to her left to fight off the Sanders claim that she was just Republican lite.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        I thought that too, but we really need Sherrod in the Senate.

        • MississippiLefty

          I see your point, but I liked Kaine. I thought he was adorbs.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            I had no problem with Kaine. Brown is probably a little closer to my personal politics.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Kaine just wasn’t exciting- he wasn’t the fireplug you need as a VP

      • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

        The problem with that is in Ohio the governor gets to appoint a replacement for a vacant Senate seat, who serves until the next general election. Since Ohio’s governor is a Republican, and there is no rule requiring the replacement to be of the same party as the previous occupant, very good chance he would have planted a Republican there.

        • Lefty Wright

          That was the problem with several possible VPs. Including picking Sanders. At that time, it looked like the Democrats had a chance of taking the Senate, so losing just one could have been a problem.

      • BreakingDeadMen

        Brown in retrospect was the right choice, knowing how close the neighboring states went. But, at the time she thought she was winning and needed the seat to stay blue. That said, Kaine was fucking terrible. Not that I even dislike him, but how do you lose a debate to Mike Pence? That guy shouldn’t beat a ham sandwich. And he disappeared after that.

    • shivaskeeper

      The VP pick has to be calculated.

      The seat has to be a safe one. If it is in embattled or close territory, or the Governor gets to appoint the replacement, and the Governor is a GOPer, that takes a lot of names out of the running.

  • Anna Rompage

    I do know one thing; reproductive choice, marriage equality, the environment,
    equal rights for women & minorities, our economy, people’s access
    to health care, immigrants, & our relationship with the rest of the
    world, would not be in peril right now if Hillary was president…

    Yes, I agree with the general sentiment that Hillary was not the perfect candidate, but guess what, neither was Bernie, or anyone else who runs for office, especially that insufferable Jill “vaccines might cause autism for votes” Stein…

    • miss_grundy

      No political candidate is perfect because they are all human beings.

      • Moebym of the Returners

        Blasphemy! Bernie is God! /s

      • pstokk

        Personally I would be more “I don’t care if they’re perfect or not, I don’t want to like or not like a candidate, it’s the damn party program and whether they will be effective in pushing it. As a politician. Don’t care much how they are as a person. Never going to drink a beer or a glass of chardonnay with them.”
        There’s enough to fight about there, on the politics of things. Who cares about politicians as such?

    • Lord Jim

      I’ve concluded that HRC was not nearly so imperfect as I once thought.

  • miss_grundy

    He was on C-SPAN over the weekend on a book tour date and this is what made me angry. He is still listed as I-VT. If you want to have a say in the Democratic party, the least you should do is register as a Democrat. Otherwise, why is he so interested in the politics of the party?

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      He stated as soon as he returned to the Senate that he was elected as an Independent, so he was gonna stay an Independent for the balance of his term.

      • miss_grundy

        I say “hooey” to that spin. If he is so hepped up on being an Independent, then he should have run as an Independent for the presidency. The reason that he didn’t do that, is that most states’ primaries are only for Republicans and Democrats. They do not have primaries for Independent voters.

      • Roadstergal

        If that were true, he would have stayed an Independent for the presidential race, too.

    • Serai 1

      OMG NO. LET him stay an independent. The LAST fucking thing we need is that dog in the manger in the Democratic Party. He’s done enough fucking damage, thank you.

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        Ramen.

      • miss_grundy

        But he hasn’t left. He is still around. And he is still criticizing the Democratic Party.

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    The Democratic Party sucks! The only way to make it politically relevant is to hand the keys over to an 80 year-old and do whatever a minority of party members want!

    • jesterpunk

      And ban donuts and bottled water.

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      It is, in fact, actually Bolshevism.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        Hey, if we called ourselves mensheviks would that bitter bitch Glenn Greenwald have to lay off?

    • Snopes Shop

      They would run his dug up bones. Doesn’t get more pure than a bunch of bones.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    I’ve been a lifelong member of the Moose Lodge, but I decided I wanted to be in charge of the Elks Club so I can tell them how they should run their organization. Some of them weren’t nice to me. Rigged!

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      I’ve never been a member of one of those Clubs, and I really don’t know what they do, or how they work. I’ll help you take over the Elks as long as I don’t have to, you know, do anything.

      • Yellerduck

        I think you just have to shuffle along and eat grass. Maybe bugle a bit.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      The Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes is where it’s really at…

      • Lord Jim

        The Grand Mystic Royal Order of the Nobles of the Ali Baba Temple of the Shrine would like a word with you…

    • BreakingDeadMen

      Moose lodges are nice places to have a cheap drink. A friend tried to get me to join, but it just wasn’t close enough to where I live…the high cost inevitable DUI would have negated the value of the $2.50 scotch and water.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        I don’t actually belong to either. The one time I went to an Elks Club was when a friend and I were looking for a new shop space, and their building was sale. We walked in…there were, like, 5 old guys there nursing cans of Bud Lite, watching Fox on an ancient tv that barely had a picture, and smoking like fiends.

  • WeaselPoo

    I just may have the definitive title for Hillary’s book. What do you all think ?

    What Happened ? Morans and Moscow Motherfuckers, Mostly.

    • Tio_Doidinho

      I’m still partial to Fuck All Y’all, from the B*tch Who Tried To Warn You, but yours works too.

    • Serai 1

      The title she picked is just fine. Misspellings aren’t clever on a book cover.

    • JJ O’Shaughnessy

      “They picked Hookers and Blow”

  • SayItWithWookies

    I voted for Bernie in my state’s primary and Hillary in the general. It wasn’t a difficult decision, considering who she was running against. One thing I haven’t seen discussed is that the dynastic quality of another Clinton presidency turned people off, especially after Dubya’s horrific administration — there’s no comparison in terms of quality, but I know a lot of people who just had a visceral distaste for more of the same families domination national politics.

    But as much as I liked Bernie, he was unaware there were black people in the country and they weren’t being treated equally; he was very light on foreign policy; his “the system is rigged” had plenty of regrettable paranoid connotations; he was completely tone-deaf about gun control. Nevertheless, he showed a lot of compassion, he’d done tons for Vermonters in terms of healthcare, and showed how universal healthcare could be made concrete; and he redeemed the label socialist when even some liberals were afraid to identify as liberals.

    Hillary would’ve been an awesome president, and continued elevating US respectability and leadership worldwide, advancing equal rights domestically, solidifying the basic healthcare system, and fighting for fiscal responsibility, among many other things.

    And to wrap it up — why the fuck Democrats and non-Dem liberals (like myself) allow a million Russian twitterbots to stoke division among themselves is fucking unfathomable. We’re basically on the same side, so let’s get the fuck over it.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      I think part of Sanders’ issues was boiling everything down to economics. Racism? We need to fix income inequality and raise the minimum wage and racism will vanish. Sexism? Same answer. Never mind the institutional or historical structures of racism or sexism – we just give everyone a living wage and tax the businesses and things will work out.

      • Roadstergal

        And I think that a lot of minorities really Got That. Hence, the outcome of the primaries.

    • Serai 1

      Let’s not forget his snotty dismissal of women’s rights. THAT is when I decided he could fuck right the fuck off. NO WAY MOTHERFUCKER. NO FUCKING WAY.

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        Calling PP the establishment and again in his book he uses the support of groups like PP and The HRC as proof of how the establishment was rigged against him.

  • Roadstergal

    I just filled out the Values Survey from the DNC, indicating what my priorities are, and mailed it off along with my donation. The Bernie Bros on this thread who want to change the DNC are doing the same – yes?

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
    • jesterpunk

      That is too much work for them. They just want us to kiss their asses without them doing anything.

    • JJ O’Shaughnessy

      What, spend actual calories actually doing something? Its much better to let the DNC get their views by osmosis so the bros can change their views when the DNC agrees with them. Oh, did I type that out loud?

  • richard Denning

    I voted for Sanders in the primary and Clinton in the general election. Neither was my first choice. We are living a dystopian nightmare but had Clinton or Sanders won it would still be a dystopian nightmare, just not as bad. Clinton’s problems were mostly not her fault. Decades of right wing propaganda has an impact. It is time for the world to move on if possible. Neither Clinton nor Sanders are helping us do that.

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      Clinton and her surrogates have not spent every day since the election attacking the only party that offers anything positive.

    • Serai 1

      How about you go somewhere where you don’t have to see OMG STUPID PEOPLE doing things that offend your delicate political sensibilities?

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      To be fair, Hillary has already said pretty damned unequivocally that she’s never running for office again. She deserves the same right to publish a book all the other pols get.

  • what, me worry?

    Oh Wonkette. You’re just baiting me at this point.

    “I know what it’s like to win and I know what it’s like to lose. And when I lost to Barack Obama, I immediately turned around, I endorsed him, I worked for him, I convinced my supporters to work for him. I didn’t get the same respect from my primary opponent.”

    In fact, HRC worked the superdelegates into June, just like Bernie, trying to get them to conclude that Obama wasn’t electable, just like Bernie did. And in fact, Bernie did turn around and endorse you and work for you… AND he convinced more of his supporters to vote for you than you did to vote for Obama. Twice as many PUMAs voted for McCain than Berners voted for Trump.

    So, rather than blaming Bernie for your loss, maybe start with your own base – white women – who voted for Trump by 53%.

    Not that anyone here will remember any of that.

    • jesterpunk
    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      Where is the puma info coming from? I haven’t been able to find it.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        Actually, the organized PUMA effort was funded and staffed from the McCain campaign.

    • Stulexington

      “In fact, HRC worked the superdelegates into June, just like Bernie, trying to get them to conclude that Obama wasn’t electable,” Hmmm, and what lesson could we have possibly learned from that. Oh I know, it won’t work this time either, don’t bother trying it.

      But then Bernie was an old white dude so of course it’ll work for him, I mean it only failed the last time because of Hillrod’s vagina.

      And don’t worry, there’s also a special shaming set aside for the 53% of white women who voted Trump, but they don’t come on here and try to push their bullshit excuses for why they turned their backs on America. Just Bernie Bros.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        He also fired his ground troops before CA so he could market himself for donations nationally, so he essentially conceded the race way before he stopped telling his voters they could still win.

  • Merkin Muffley

    So even Wonkette is infected with Bernie enragement? He’s a frikkin Socialist. Some of the people attracted to his campaign were unconventional and not gettable by Hillary. How is that his fault?

    And Hillary still got more of Sanders voters than Obama got 08 Hillary voters. How about them apples?

    Lastly, what is the point trashing him? What is the point fighting? Do we WANT to lose?

    • jesterpunk

      Who is we? Bernie isnt a Democrat as he likes to keep reminding people.

    • William

      Everybody is a socialist.https://youtu.be/mwN6sU4onFQ

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Way to miss the point- the one being trashed is Hillary. People are a bit upset about that and pushing back. Congrats on getting it exactly backwards

    • Carpe Vagenda

      I think perhaps you ought to spend an informative day reading the twitter feeds of the people he put on the URC, who are fighting (against their charter) to disenfranchise the Democratic base by forcing caucuses which favor their small constituency.

      They work for Republicans, with the exception of the one who works for Bernie, who has already announced that Our Revolution will provide funds for Republican candidates who sign on to their litmus test, despite the fact that they would reinforce a Republican majority so they’ll never be forced to follow through.

      His journobros are universally pretty Republican-adjacent too (the infamous gamed poll is a result of a partnership between Mark “Democrats need to throw out the left” Penn and The (rich libertarian asshole) Hill).

      IOW, consider who is telling who to shut up and what they’re spending the rest of the time doing.

      • Merkin Muffley

        I don’t do Twitter. His journobros are Republican? WTF?

        • Carpe Vagenda

          TYT just got tens of millions from Buddy Roemer, a Republican operative who has been working with Joe Lieberman and Mike Bloomberg to open primaries so that Republicans can win blue states. Specifically Nomiki Konst is the daughter and campaign apparatchik of a woman who ran as a progressive in upstate NY and then handed the state over to the Republicans in return for a high-paying job she wasn’t qualified for from Trump’s good buddy Chris Collins. Vox got tens of millions from Comcast. Josh Barro was a massive Republican troll for the glibertarian rich guys at The Hill before he moved on to be a fake progressive at Business Insider so he could be a Republican troll from the left. Intercept is funded tens of millions by the guy who founded eBay, who wants to do more business in Russia and funds anti-US propaganda to make that happen.

          I could go on.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Just a guess, but i suspect at least half the people here voted for Bernie in the primary. He lost. I/we moved on. I thought I’d made my peace with him until he switched back to “independent”, which I saw as really sticking his fucking sanctimony up my fucking snout.

      • Merkin Muffley

        My understanding was that he would remain à Democrat IF he was in Oval Office. I don’t think he promised not to return to Senate as an Ind.

        And what’s the dif? He caucuses with Dems, votes with Dems. The anger at him is disproportionate to his behavior.

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          It’s the arrogance and sanctimony of considering himself to be too pure and progressive to be a Democrat, many of whom, unlike Bernie in the white, liberal, affluent enclave of Vermont, have a conservative constituency to battle to get elected. I was willing to overlook it initially, because the only chance he had was as a Dem, his grumbling and condescension notwithstanding. But switching back was the last straw. And if he wants to be an independent, fine, just STFU about what the Democratic party should do or how it should be structured. It’s like claiming to be married to get on to your partner’s health insurance plan, then once you’re covered, telling him/her to fuck off because they’re not good enough for you.

    • shivaskeeper

      It’s not Bernie per se that enrages me. It’s the more pure than you are supporters who keep coming here to tell me he would have won. Although some of them seem to be mutating into Warren would have won territory.

      It’s the “progressives” who think that because they are not part of the Democratic Party they should have the right to dictate the policies of the Democratic Party. It’s the Independents screaming about primaries need to be open so they don;t have to sully themselves with the moniker of Demorcat. It’s anyone standing outside who talking about how we need to do a better job of wooing them in when they either have no intention of coming in, or move the goalposts to something else if they get what they asked for,

      It’s not the majority of Bernie supporters by any mean. It;s certainly not the majority of the people in this site. It’s a loud, entitled, vocal minority who get the ire. But since they are the loudest ones in the room, they get to be the spokesmen for Bernie’s supporters.

      • Shanzgood

        FASCIST!!!

        • shivaskeeper

          IK, R?

          • Shanzgood

            Applying standards to things is JUST LIKE putting people in concentration camps!

          • shivaskeeper

            Truly. You get me. You really do.

        • BreakingDeadMen

          Neoliberal shill

      • Merkin Muffley

        I’m a Bernie supporter who doesn’t think he would have won. He would have been red baited. I voted Clinton, am crushed.

        You’re angry at a vocal minority but the bile is splashing all over the regular Sanders people.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          But many of us were/are Sanders people. Our bile is aimed right at the source of the problem- the left wing version of the tea party. Don’t #notallsanderssupporters us, that’s lame.

          • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

            AMEN! I was an early supporter, who soured on the Sanders when he pretty much had no answers, and then his awful Bro Contingent drove the nails all the way in.

          • Merkin Muffley

            So the Sarandon/Stein wing?
            Or the Sanders/Warren wing?

          • Carpe Vagenda

            Sanders and Warren aren’t exactly a wing. She understands what banks do and how they work and she’s done stuff about it.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            the Sarandon/Stein wing, obv. Why on earth are you being so defensive if you’re not one of those dead enders? Quit giving them legitimacy. Many peeps here like Bernie- nothing wrong with that. Many more like Liz, nothing wrong with that. But there is something seriously wrong with the unhinged vitriol that a small but vocal minority of supposed progressives seem to have for anything Hillary related. She wrote a book- BFD. Why are these people losing their minds about it?

            She’s not running for POTUS ever again, she’s made that clear. But she is a Dem elder statesman and deserves to be able to express her opinions just like the rest of them. It’s the whole “Sit down and shut up forever” attitude from the Bros™ that chaps my ass. It misogyny 101 and needs to be vigorously confronted.

        • BreakingDeadMen

          Sanders has no clothes.

        • shivaskeeper

          Nope. The bile is aimed squarely at them. If you are catching any of it, you are standing to close to them.

          Much like anyone who is an actual Evangelical Christian who has to accept that the fundamentalist prosperity gospel racist shitheads have co-opted the name of their religion, you have to accept that these are your spokespeople.

          They have the loudest voice. They get the most coverage. They infest comment sites and spread the memes. They are the ones who think a having a good idea is the exact same thing as being able to implement that idea.

          But it is your problem to fix internally. I am not a Bernie supporter. I was never a supporter. I cannot and will not go into your group and tell you what to do. You have to figure out how to get them to not be your voice.

          • Merkin Muffley

            Thats BS. You choose to make them my voice. Its your choice.

            I didn’t make PUMAS the voice of HRC. Because wisdom.

          • shivaskeeper

            No again.

            I am not a Bernie supporter. I was never a Bernie supporter. I didn’t choose who his supporters were, or still are. I damn sure did not give this crop of them the loudest voice in the support Bernie room. You, as one of his supporters, let that happen. That is on you and the rest of the ones who claim to be sane and reasonable. You associated with them. You let them get out of hand. You let them drown you out and take the spotlight. You, not me. I had nothing to do with that.

            You have to either fix it by, or you have to live with them being the public face of your movement. As on outsider to your movement, do you think anyone on the inside would take me seriously if I told them they had to change it? How far do you think I could get in making them not be your voice? It has to be you that does it.

            Nice attempt at deflection though, bringing in the PUMAs. By nice, I mean, nice try, but I’m not actually that easily distracted.

            PUMAs were not part of this conversation. I’ll address it anyway since there is a bit of relevance to it. PUMAs are not the voice of the party because the rest of the party members, who outnumbered them, wouldn’t let them be the voice of the party. There might be a lesson to be learned there.

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          I’ve never had anyone here call me out for voting for Bernie in the primaries. Disagree? Some, sure. That’s fine. If you aren’t a flamethrowing Bernie zealot, heated comments aren’t directed at you.

          • Merkin Muffley

            Thats a BS excuse. Look at commenter above saying I’m standing too close to them!

            I voted B. Clinton 2x
            Gore, Kerry
            I voted Obama 2x, Sanders/Clinton

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            What’s a BS excuse? What am I excusing? I have no apologies for being tired of BernOuts. I helped organize rallies and played gigs to support Bernie. I explained below why I became exasperated with him and more so-in reality-his most zealous supporters, who seem to latch on to the more inflexible and morally superior parts of his personality.

            Your voting record is the same as mine…good for you and me. I said what I did above as an olive branch attempt at inclusion in the hopes that, if you’re not a bug-eyed fanatic, maybe there’s a civil conversation to be had. Maybe I’m wrong.

          • Merkin Muffley

            I’m prepared to have civil discourse. Its been my experience that people hurl insults, then say i shouldn’t feel offended. It usually goes like this:

            “The guy you voted for is an asshole, with asshole supporters, who cost Clinton the election and gave us Fascism. But don’t worry… you only enabled…., er voted for him. Now, since u voted Clinton, and renounced any affection for Sanders, since he’s not a Democrat, the insult wasn’t directed at you.”

            Let me be clear…you did not do that.

            I also wasn’t prepared for the overwhelming response here. I stopped frequenting Wonkette when it went Disqus because it lost its small community feel.

            Since I have failed to recognize an olive branch and am guilty of misdirected anger, I apologize.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Thanks, no harm done. I realize that people here get pretty hotted up real quick on this issue, and perhaps not always fairly. Speaking only for myself, part of it is a state of almost traumatic stress, depression, and disbelief that Trump is actually the president, which can turn to anger at how easily it could have been averted….something like 22,000 votes in three states? Those wounds get salted every time there is a positive mention of Hillary, which never fails to bring out a phalanx of Bros with their typical harangues. After two years, people are just sick of it, and react accordingly. And if you really want to see some vitriol, say you voted for Jill Stein.

            During the campaign, it was split fairly evenly, but probably a majority supported Bernie early on. I personally found Hillary a bit bland; an uninspiring and wooden public speaker who’s more of a centrist than I prefer. I also believed her to be a dedicated, essentially honest, and capable public servant who, with a push from the left-thanks to Bernie-would mostly do the right things, and I had no problem voting for her. Part of what the Bros bought into was this 30 year smear campaign-mostly created out of thin air- against Hillary which I found appalling, and which makes me defend her more vociferously than my actual enthusiasm for her as a candidate probably warrants.

            You seem like a reasonable sort. If you stick around for posts that don’t involve this issue, I think you’d fine some common ground, if sarcasm is your cuppa. I don’t always agree with everyone here on any number of things, but I find them almost universally caring and decent folks at the end of the day. Think about it. Thanks for responding in kind.

    • Serai 1
  • Aaron Wise

    Hillary needs to accept responsibility for her own failures.
    Blaming everyone but herself for the loss is childish and so Clinton.

    • jesterpunk

      So you admit you didnt read the book?

      • Anna Rompage

        The least they could have done was read the Cliff Notes version, instead of basing their views on the rantings from a psychotic entertainer that is on a 3 day trucker fueled speed binge…

      • Aaron Wise

        I read it.
        Really sad and full of lies.

        • BreakingDeadMen

          Name four, with quotes or at least good faith paraphrases.

          • Aaron Wise

            “Because we agreed on so much, Bernie couldn’t make an argument against
            me . . . on policy, so he had to resort to innuendo and impugning my
            character,” Clinton writes
            in one passage. “Some of his supporters, the so-called Bernie Bros,
            took to harassing my supporters online. It got ugly and more than a
            little sexist. When I finally challenged Bernie during a debate to name a
            single time I changed a position or a vote because of a financial
            contribution, he couldn’t come up with anything.”

            The whole book is full of bullshit.

          • Resistance Fighter Astraea

            Lol that’s the one excerpt that’s out there everywhere, you can’t eve lie convincingly

          • Serai 1

            What’s funny is how it doesn’t realize it’s doing EXACTLY what the quote says the Bots do.

          • BreakingDeadMen

            Irony will never die

          • Serai 1

            …says the troll coming to a liberal website to HARASS HILLARY’S SUPPORTERS.

          • BreakingDeadMen

            All of that is objectively true.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      She does take responsibility and she doesn’t blame everyone else. Quit lying

      • Aaron Wise

        “Because we agreed on so much, Bernie couldn’t make an argument against
        me . . . on policy, so he had to resort to innuendo and impugning my
        character,” Clinton writes
        in one passage. “Some of his supporters, the so-called Bernie Bros,
        took to harassing my supporters online. It got ugly and more than a
        little sexist. When I finally challenged Bernie during a debate to name a
        single time I changed a position or a vote because of a financial
        contribution, he couldn’t come up with anything.”

        Can’t take responsibility. Calling Brenie supporters sexist…lying…

        She’s pathetic.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          “I go back over my own shortcomings and the mistakes we made. I take responsibility for all of them. You can blame the data, blame the message, blame anything you want—but I was the candidate.”

          Fuck off you liar

        • JJ O’Shaughnessy

          Aww, did she insinuate your great Messiah was a Politician? maybe you should ask him for his speech transcripts of a speech he gave months ago?

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          Wait, here’s another one

          “I was running a traditional presidential campaign with carefully thought-out policies and painstakingly built coalitions,” she writes, “while Drumpf was running a reality TV show that expertly and relentlessly stoked Americans’ anger and resentment.”

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          I just listened to the part where she talks about failing to understand how other people might interpret her speeches to Goldman Sachs, you are a pathetic liar.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          and there’s also her mistake in using the the term “deplorables”

          That’s three different examples that prove you are full of shit

        • JJ O’Shaughnessy

          By the way, dince you might not be able to figure it out, that was an example of him insinuating stuff. Like the evil hydra who was probably on her period for 300 days was saying.

          maybe I should write for wonkette…

        • Serai 1

          You do realize you’re proving you haven’t read the book, right?

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Oh, you again. You finally gonna answer me on why there being less Dems is Nancy Pelosi’s fault?

    • Serai 1
  • jesuswasablack

    “Hard Choices”
    Like choosing between not destroying the democratic party and getting on the NYT’s best seller list?

  • ariel_gee_398

    Don’t blame me, I voted Giant Meteor.

  • William
  • Aaron Wise
    • jesterpunk

      A video from before the book came out as your proof?

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      funny how you ignore my quotes proving you lied

      “I go back over my own shortcomings and the mistakes we made. I take responsibility for all of them. You can blame the data, blame the message, blame anything you want—but I was the candidate.”

      • Aaron Wise

        The book is more than one paragraph.

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          and you haven’t read them

        • JJ O’Shaughnessy

          You havent read more than one paragraph. he has been quoting paragraph after paragraph 10 posts down and you havent replied once

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          You mean the one paragraph you continue to post over and over? ROFL what a fucking hypocrite. I also posted several other quotes proving you a liar- you ignored those too.

    • William
      • Aaron Wise

        Whine on!

        • JJ O’Shaughnessy

          Why should we when you already have achieved 100% mastery.

          • Carpe Vagenda

            Oh, interesting. This one is a rename of one I already blocked.

    • JJ O’Shaughnessy

      2Hard Choices” is a different book. And to be fair I haven’t read that one either, but neither have you.

    • Anna Rompage

      Say what? A BernieBro who’s critical of Hillary’s new book?

      Color me shocked, as I clutch my pearls, and saunter off to the nearest fainting couch…

      • JJ O’Shaughnessy

        Nurse! We need smelling salts, and Oxygen here!

        • Anna Rompage

          I’d prefer nitrous oxide if that’s an option…

          • BreakingDeadMen

            It takes N2O one

    • Vincent Ricola

      Hahaha. Jimmy Dore is still fighting for attention? Hahahaha. The “young” turks and their youtube channel is going to take the media landscape BY STORM… someday… probably…

      • Carpe Vagenda

        but it doesn’t matter if they do, because Buddy Roemer (who, parenthetically, is historically a stalking horse for Mike Bloomberg) handed them a huge chunk of money to ratfuck Democrats with.

    • CO

      9/11 truther and Pizzagater Jimmy Dore is going to get to the bottom of this.

    • Serai 1
    • ryp

      Jimmy Dore was once a fairly funny comedian, and was amusing when he went after politicians of all stripes including Clinton. Then sometime in the spring of 2016 he became obsessed with trashing Clinton as it became clear the Sanders campaign was running out of gas. He got worse as the dream became a fantasy, and then was eclipsed all together by the general election. He bought into the loony conspiracies that Sanders was cheated and that Clinton was a Trojan Democrat, a conservative Republican seeking to steer the party away from it’s history. Now Jimmy is a sad gadfly with nothing important to say, and seems to have abandoned comedy completely.

  • FlownΩver

    All of which (these comments, anyway) just goes to prove we’ll all keep ratfucking each other until we get Trump again in 2020. So far, this is all “I know better than you do how to win an election,” as told by no one who was able to win an election. How about we all STFU and get to work supporting anyone better than Cheeto Jeebus (literally anyone else™, buy the hat!), and agreeing that’s a lot more important than another go-round on the Purity Pony Ride at Democratland?

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Because part and parcel of the attacks on Clinton are attacks on the DNC and the Democratic party itself, which are the only realistic vehicles for opposing the Republicans. Which Berners wildly attack as corrupt in order to explain their failures, thus depressing Dem turnout across the board.

      *That* is why this matters. And that if the last few decades have taught us anything, it’s that “just ignore them” is a horrible strategy for dealing with delusional viewpoints.

      • Lefty Wright

        I think that part of the reason some senatorial candidates lost was the persistent attacks on the credibility of the DNC by the Berners. A few of them were much closer in the summer time than at election day. Persistent claims of rigging, misconduct, even criminal behavior did not help any of the down ticket candidates. And the news media did not help. Those hacked emails from the DNC and Podesta showed nothing that any organization, particularly a political organization, would not have in their communications. The fact that some staff embers in the DNC did not like Bernie is not odd since he had spent months attacking their honesty and ethics. But no one can show any real efforts by the DNC to favor Clinton over Bernie. A tip that there may be a question about lead in the water in Flint Michigan, on a debate in Flint Michigan? Really! The disruption at the last Nevada convention was a matter of too few Bernie delegates showing up, not rigging. The state primaries were controlled by the states under rules in place for years, in most instances. And I still am not sure if open primaries are the way to go. Especially in the later primaries when the other party has selected a nominee, it can easily be corrupted by the other party.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          Berners also were notorious for not bothering to vote downticket- the dumbfucks couldn’t even be bothered to study up on the other candidates and issues and just ignored 90% of their ballot. Ask Scotty Walker how well that worked out for him during that Wisconsin primary election that also featured the SCOTUS race that Rebecca Bradley narrowly won, despite a huge disparity in Dem turnout.

    • Lefty Wright

      No, lots of people share the blame in 2016. Some people just want to deny it and claim that although they lost the nomination, they are the only ones qualified to speak for the party now. We do need to unite. There are much more policies every Democrat agrees on than disagrees on. But those that we disagree on are splitting the party. And Bernie continues to call for the disbanding of the party apparatus. While he may give some life to the debate, he is not a compromiser. And we need to get a pact between the moderate and progressive wings to work on core issues like income inequality, environmental protections, voting rights, and individual rights. And realize that virtually every Democrat is going to be better than any Republican. Even someone like Manchin is preferable to a coal mine owner on the Republican side in west Virginia. In the mean time, if the progressives think they can convince the moderates to join in all their initiatives, let them start by getting involved in the party. Get some progressives elected in the West Virginia legislature, or in small towns there. Show that you have solutions that work in real life, not just theoretically. If they do work, you will not have to do much convincing. But coming in late in the game and demanding that people stop what they have been doing and switch to your side does not promote unity.

    • ExpatGirl

      Why is it such a problem for you that I want to read a book written by the candidate I supported during the election?

      • JJ O’Shaughnessy

        He’s afraid it might outsell “The (f)Art of the Deal” perchance?

    • Carpe Vagenda

      I generally just assume Snorri McUnderbridge’s Earnest Concern Tour is brought to us by the usual suspects and ignore them.

    • Serai 1
  • jesuswasablack

    HILLARY, WHY CAN’T YOU JUST ADMIT YOU LOST BECAUSE YOU’RE SHRILL AND UNLIKABLE AND A FAKE CRIER AND PROBABLY HAVE PNEUMONIA AT ALL TIMES?
    Fake crier and pneumonia all the time, well that’s just silly!
    http://www.indiewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/shutterstock_7423552l.jpg?w=780

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Good Lord you are unhinged

    • JJ O’Shaughnessy

      That is one hell of a photograph. Trup has bee trying to get that look for years and has failed miserably.

  • jesuswasablack

    Wasn’t she going to go for a long walk in the woods?

    • SisterArtemis

      And she did, and she still will, and I for one am thankful that she’s chosen to share what she’s puzzled out (so far) about what happened. I’m in the middle of the 3rd or 4th chapter, and I’m enjoying the book very much.

      I’m not sure if your comment is of the “she should go away and not bother us” variety, or the “I wish her peaceful walks with her dogs after an exhausting campaign” sort. Or maybe something else. If it’s the first, don’t read the book. Many of us – remember, it’s selling like hotcakes – are very interested in what she has to say, in this book, and in future speeches and writings.

  • FeloniousMonk

    Serious question: Y’all really think the Democrats should learn nothing from the elections of 1994 and 2010 (two complete disasters following Democratic efforts to overhaul the health insurance system), and try to completely overhaul the health insurance system AGAIN? Obamacare has the uninsured rate down to single digits, and could easily make it the rest of the way with some tweaks and a little less right-wing sabotage. Isn’t a single payer program going to make every doctor into a “government doctor,” and isn’t that likely to be a wee bit unpopular, perhaps? Hillary seems pretty much totally right on this one.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      What is a “government doctor” and why is that necessarily bad? Because I don’t recall army medics being unpopular.

      • FeloniousMonk

        I think it’s like a “death panel,” but it makes you sit in the waiting room for an hour first.

        • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

          I feel like the idea that being associated with the government =/= being a lethargic Dr. Mengele, and we should probably combat this idea rather than indulge it.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            That’s what I like about this whole push- quit giving the GOP the messaging war- go big and push back on the propaganda.

          • FeloniousMonk

            You’re not talking about pushing back. You’re talking about starting over with an entirely new narrative, using a story-line that, we should have already noticed, people don’t like.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Actually I’m not. While I think that the national mood has changed for the better, I still think we’re a ways off from reaching the tipping point of solid support for SP. I also agree with peeps like Shiva and others that the transition, if rushed, will be quite messy and people will get hurt. But I think that leading with a strong push towards that future vision changes the conversation away from whether or not to repeal the ACA and moves the Overton window back to accepting the ACA as the status quo.

            If I had to put money on it- the push for SP ultimately won’t gain traction this election cycle or the next, but it’s a great way to rally the base and get the country as a whole used to the idea so they are eventually comfortable with it. And it allows people to start addressing the issues with the ACA that need fixing and gives us a chance to start incrementally moving the ACA in the direction of SP in such a way that won’t be disruptive to the economy. My main disagreement with you is in the wisdom of going big and bold- we’ve watched the GOP do this to us over and over until they moved that Overton window way to the right. I think it’s time we take a play from their playbook- demand the stars, so when we settle and compromise we get the moon- AKA the ACA, a perfectly reasonable compromise position. But let’s change the conversation from the GOP’s “should the ACA exist?” to “the ACA is a completely acceptable fallback position” with no more talk about repeal. Who knows? Maybe with the right fixes to the ACA it will turn out to be fine and we won’t need to move to a SP plan. Otherwise, it might be an ideal step in that direction and get us that much closer to it. If nothing else though, we need to quit playing defense and force them to do so for a change.

          • FeloniousMonk

            I can agree that there needs to be a counter to “government is the problem.” But starting with complete overhaul of health insurance? You do remember the Tea Party, 2010, gerrymandering, etc., right?

          • TimResistit

            Do you remember 2016 and 2017? When Obamacare suddenly got popular? Cause you seemed to have stopped reading the news around 2011 and much has happened since then.

        • TimResistit

          Yeah I think you are taken over by republican talking points and can’t break the spell, frankly.

          • FeloniousMonk

            It’s not me you need to be worried about. See the elections of 2010, 2012, 2014 and 2016.

          • TimResistit

            I am pointing out I don’t think your posts are well thought out or even “sincere”.

            You aren’t a worry at all.

      • William

        I joined the service at 17. I retired after 20 years which grants me essentially the same medical care afforded to congress. I can tell you that even if I did not receive my modest pension, the health care alone was worth the twenty years. During a visit to a cancer clinic, I watched in anguish as an old woman scratched around in the bottom of her purse for a co-pay. (I paid it of course), and tried not to weep as I decided at that moment, each and every Limbaugh licking scumbag who doesn’t support some sort of universal health care is pond scum. BTW, I read that what we have pissed away on stupid middle east wars would have provided health care for each and every American for the next twenty years. Military medicine is great. They don’t really care about bedside manner. They get the job done without waste or bullshit.

        • ryp

          No argument with your sentiments, but to clarify, the total cost of the Iraq and Afghan wars since 2001 is about $3 trillion dollars including interest on the debt. There is around another trillion in deferred medical and disability obligations to veterans. The annual expenditures on health care in the U.S, including government expenditures is around $3 Trillion. So the amount we have spent on Middle east wars since 2001 would pay for roughly one year of health care for all Americans, not twenty.

    • JJ O’Shaughnessy

      Yes. Relying on insurance is a stupid way to run a health care system. “Not because its easy,but because it is hard”

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      The part of this I like is that it is a bold gambit that shoves the Overton window way to the left. Instead of debating whether or not to dismantle the ACA, we are now discussing single payer. It may well not happen any time soon, but it’s a hell of an opening offer to counter the GOP- fine, let’s negotiate back to fixing the ACA…

    • bbayliss

      Serious answer; fly to London, have a heart attack in Heathrow, get back to me.

      • England and Wales doing better (heart attacks) than USA.

        Fact ✓
        https://www.nursingtimes.net/a-comparison-of-british-and-us-mortality-outcomes/201501.article

        What are you on about 😀

        • bbayliss

          I’m all about the excellent care I received in London, at a fraction of the cost.

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            When I left the ER after one hour with a prescription for antibiotics for a raging UTI that my boyfriend gave me the night before, the doctor said “These pills are a bit pricey – nearly 7 pounds.” I laughed and laughed and laughed.

    • Stulexington

      Well no, it’s going to make them a doctor that’s paid by the government. They don’t take orders directly from the government, they’re just paid by the government that benefits from a healthy work force instead of a company that sees the actual health care of the healthcare industry as an expense that needs to be reduced.

      • FeloniousMonk

        Same as now, they could do anything they wanted, but just not if they actually wanted to get PAID for it. If they wanted to get PAID, then they’d need to follow the rules. Also the same as now, but they’d be government rules instead of private insurance company rules. You assume removing the profit motive would be a big benefit. Even if that’s somehow right, you think the political damage, which is certain to follow, is going to justify the cost?

        Why are we Monday Morning Quarterbacking on this one? We’re smarter than Mr. B.H. Obama now?

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          I think the political zeitgeist in the US has changed on the issue since 2009 (in no small amount thanks to the ACA) and people are more receptive to the idea of single payer. But as I’ve also said, it takes the fight to the GOP and puts them on their heels- and the ACA is a hell of a good fallback position, once we get concessions to improve it.

          • FeloniousMonk

            What’s your barometer on that, the Charlottesville white genocide riots? The election of Donnie John? The Bizarro world cabinet, where bad is good? It’s the same cess-pool of right-wing nuts, and “why bother voting because politicians are all the same” non-voters as last week. It the words of a President, “Believe Me.”

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            My barometer is the fact that conservatives are warming up to the idea and that normally timid Dems are falling all over themselves to be part of the push. Plus, the fiasco of the erstwhile repeal of the ACA caused a significant improvement in both the popularity of the ACA and the idea of going beyond it. I do agree that this issue would make a bad “make or break” position to hang an entire election on, but I don’t think it hurts to get out front with positive ideas for a change and show the LIVs what the Dem party actually stands for. As part of a comprehensive push towards bread and butter issues for the middle class it does make sense.

          • FeloniousMonk

            I think it absolutely DOES hurt to “get out front with positive ideas” when you can’t sell people on how, and why, they are positive. Which is the problem. BIG problem. And there’s a very easy alternative here, which is to declare victory already.

        • Stulexington

          Actually I assume that replacing the profit motive with a keep tax payers paying taxes motive would be a big benefit. You on the other hand assume Hillary’s loss was because of the ACA … somehow even though Obama was elected for a second term after it was created. That somehow a wildly popular overhaul of the healthcare system was so intensely damaging to the Democratic party that they dare not consider doing so again.

          On what do you base this?

          • FeloniousMonk

            Hillary lost in 2016. 2010 was the year when the Tea Party took over 3/4 of the state legislatures in a Census Year. I am not blaming Hillary’s loss on ACA. I am taking issue with the endless plugging for Single Payer Bernie Kamala Warren, and a political course that I fear is certain to doom the Party to the wilderness for another decade or more. Trying to reform the entire healthcare system makes lots of people angry. You may have noticed! And this point, what IS the point?

        • TimResistit

          Weird. You don’t often see Obama supporters calling him “Mr. B.H. Obama.”

          But, that’s none of my business.

    • TimResistit

      Serious question:

      What country that has universal Healthcare, “single payer” is trying to do away with it ? Serious answer: None.
      In Canada what CONSERVATIVE candidate running for PM ever suggested getting rid of the SP system they have there? Serious answer: None.

      It seems an awful lot like the countries that have the system, LIKE their systems and want to keep it. Even conservatives seem to recognize that.

      Yes, dems should go full frontal Single payer like the rest of the world and yes, they should unite and make THAT their battle cry. The dems should be identified easily by anyone as the Party that wants to bring Universal and SP healthcare to all citizens.

      I have no idea what idiot democrat would NOT want to be known as such but I have a feeling maybe a certain WV senator does, but fuck him.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        To be fair, Monk is talking about the political optics and how it may affect the next election, not whether or not single payer is a good idea.

        • TimResistit

          OK , but the optics would be fantastic. It would cement Heathcare = Demcortic Party into people’s minds.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            I don’t necessarily agree with his concern either. As I said, I like it because it’s Dems going on the offense for a change and taking it to the GOP on the messaging front. Even if we have to “settle” for a newly fixed and improved ACA for the time being, we’ve won bigly. And we may well have finally turned the corner where people are willing to seriously consider actual single payer of some sort.

          • TimResistit

            Go for SP, settle for better than the ACA, Either eway go BIG with healthcare. We need peopel to think “democrat” when they think of Single Payer.

          • tza

            I’ll admit, I’m concerned it may derail the Dream Act which is kinda on a timer thanks to Drumpf. But maybe the people who wanna bring it to the floor will decide better to wait until after we do the time sensitive thing and (hopefully) get a win to boost things.

          • FeloniousMonk

            Sure, just because you were totally wrong about that in 1994 and 2010 doesn’t mean we can try the same thing, a third time, and expect a different result. Nothing crazy about that?

          • TimResistit

            Actually you have no idea what I was wrong about or not, and your arrogance doesn’t make this a very hopeful argument with you, but here goes.

            Is your goal to do what’s right for Americans or to run Public Relations for the Democratic Party? If it’s the latter, then yes I agree, they should do non-controversial, incremental changes…and continue to be the party bereft of Big Ideas.

            Or we can take a cue from Obama and DO Big Things.

            You seem to think that Obamacare is unpopular now. Not sure why have you gotten any news since 2010? Lately people are loving it in the face of it being rescinded. Juts wait until they get SP health care. That will be forever.

            And yes, it will be the Demcorats who get credited with SP. So I really don’t know what you are bitching about or what tyou are afraid of but it’s that kind of cowardly thinking that keeps us in the minority.

          • FeloniousMonk

            49% support = lovin’ it, right. And yes, Courage to Ignore Pragmatic Concerns and Courage to Monday-Morning Quarterback are truly wonderful qualities. But they are also the hallmarks of losers who have to call a 3-month debt ceiling increase a “victory.”

          • TimResistit

            The only MM Q-backing going on is from you.

            Particularly interesting is you just created your profile today for the first time and come straight to Wonkette to bitch about Democrats and Health care…and accuse me of being wrong about something even tho we’ve never met. . So if the clown shoe fits, smack yourself on the head with it, K, Sugar?

            The fact is Dems need a big unifying message and HC is tailor made for them. Why someone would cheer for incremental changes like some common Lame Duck Bill Clinton , I do not know but that would be exactly the kind of cowardice of policy that we don’t need anymore.

          • TimResistit

            I didn’t call it a victory either, Nostradamus, I don’t even think I’ve opined on it so really, try to shut the fuck up about what you imagine me rooting for or against.

          • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

            Or we can take a cue from Obama and DO Big Things.

            I’m just going to wade in here and say that Obama (and Pelosi) gets shit on for the ACA not being “Big Idea” enough. That is, only an incremental half-measure that benefits Big Insurance, and no Single Payer options at all.

            Running directly AGAINST Obamacare was what put all the Republicans in the House, Senate, and Governorships. Arguably, even the current Predisency.

            And they have been inching the ball down the field towards their goal line for years. Look at Paul Ryan, whose been wackin’ it to the idea of kicking granny off of the public support system since he was an idealistic punkass shitheel guzzling frat-boy beers.

            These “Big Ideas” can have political ramifications, which can even ultimately lead to fomented backlash that threatens to undo all the forward progress. The science of politics is not just a simple straight line.

            Basically, I’m saying sometimes we have to take the small gains, because after all, they are gains.

          • TimResistit

            Not sure what you are getting at here, but my view is that for the time, Obamacare was a Big thing, a Huge thing. A pretty “big fucking deal” as I remember one person of note calling it. And after 60 some years of trying to, the dems finally succeeded.

            Now we need to go bigger, make single payer a reality. That’s what Dems need to be known for, Health care for all, and Single payer.

          • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

            I’m getting at that in some Independent/Berner’s eyes, that the ACA wasn’t enough, and proof that Obama (and Pelosi) were owned by the insurance industry.

            And yet, the cost of the ACA, political-capitally speaking? That bill is still being paid off.

            Not sure we can afford to just go rushing headlong into complicated shit simply because it makes nice clean bumpersticker slogans, you know?

          • TimResistit

            Not sure we can either, so I never suggested we go rushing headlong into complicated shit. But, if I see someone suggesting that I’ll alert you to it.

          • TimResistit

            Yeah well, up yours, with the bumper sticker crack, you know damn well that isn’t why I or anyone else supports going balls out on universal , SP healthcare.

    • Anna Rompage

      In most circumstances, people or employers would opt for supplemental coverage, on top of their basic coverage, as the base coverage is likely not going to be great, but will cover most people ills…

      I believe Germany has their system set up like this and it works pretty well..

      • Lefty Wright

        Germany has a mix of public and private health insurers and is far from a single provider. But they do have universal coverage.

    • Lefty Wright

      In the long run, single payer universal health care will be less expensive, although several countries with universal coverage do not have single payer. But it will be a long process. Almost 90% of people now have health insurance of some sort, many getting it for free. Do you think they will be happy with a payroll tax to pay for it now? Or have a mandated plan. And the “government doctor” is valid. Will it be a fee for service with private practices like we have now or a government system like Britain with a NHS. Will medical providers even go with a program where their salaries and fees are fixed by the government. And how much tax will it take, and who will be taxed? None of these have been answered yet. Fix the ACA first. Medicare for All is like opening a hornets nest and will take years to pass and implement. In the mean time, there are still efforts underway to repeal the ACA and start dismantling Medicaid. Stopping that and fixing the ACA is the urgent priority now. Otherwise, 30 million people will lose their health insurance while politicians spend 6 years figuring out how to get Medicare for All that a majority of people support.

      • jowgajen

        “Do you think they will be happy with a payroll tax to pay for it now?”

        We do have a payroll tax to pay for it now. That’s exactly how we pay for our health care system. Those taxes come in the form of literal payroll taxes and income tax deductions, and also reduced pay rates and health insurance premium deductions, as many Americans receive health insurance subsidised by their employers.

        • Rags

          And employer health benefits are also subsidized as business expenses

      • Will medical providers even go with a program where their salaries and fees are fixed by the government.

        Every Doctor has a choice:

        1) Work inside the system for script.

        2) Work outside the system for cash.

        3) Both (?)

    • Kooolest G

      june 23, 2017 “60% say the federal government is responsible for ensuring health care coverage for all Americans, while 39% say this is not the government’s responsibility.” and it’s not single doctor, it’s single payer. not every doctor will be a “government doctor”, every insurance company executive will be a “government insurance company executive”.

    • Serai 1

      I’m with you. I don’t think this single-payer idea is going to fly. It might even make things worse. I think we should be focusing on fixing Obamacare, which was always meant to be a beginning to be improved upon.

  • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

    “This user is blocked”

    THANK YOU DISQUS!

    • Vincent Ricola

      I think Wonkette is trying to overwhelm the trolls with so many juicy posts at one time. The trolls can’t keep up. Wonkette is playing 5-dimensional Hillary checkers with them!

    • Shanzgood

      Which one?

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        AOT,K

        • Shanzgood

          DAMMIT

      • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

        The trolly one. The that says the same unsubstantiated shit arguments, and never backs them up?

        Weird, that might not narrow it down much.

        • Shanzgood

          Yeah, that could be any one of them.

        • Serai 1

          Yeah, that could be one of twenty trolls at the moment.

    • Lord Jim

      I’ve shied away from that in the past, but I finally decided that keeping completely open is not worth the aggravation.

  • SpudRaider

    If people want a unifying candidate for the Democrats I propose Al Gore. All this shit started when Bush was elected. Gore is liked by both the Hillary and the Sander’s camp. This is the guy I would love to see run.

    • JJ O’Shaughnessy

      But but but he said he invented the internet so he is bad!

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        and he’s fat!

        • Carpe Vagenda

          and bald.

          • Debbie the Unpaid Protester

            And he rides in jets! And has a big house (so he’s a Hypocrite)!

          • Carpe Vagenda

            Sure. He should fly business class to buy couture in Milan like Susan Sarandon.

      • SpudRaider

        If you go back and look at the legislation that changed a Department of Defense program that allowed scientist to share information that was the predecessor of the internet you will see most was sponsored by then Senator Gore. My opinion this is what Gore was stating when he supposedly said he created the “Internet.”

        • jesterpunk

          That is exactly what he was talking about and what he actually said.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFJ8cHAlco

          During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country’s economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.

          • SpudRaider

            Doesn’t refute what I’m saying. It was not his idea and I don’t see him claiming that. He was instrumental in the “creation” of the Internet through legislation.
            Last time I voted I voted for Gore. After that I lost faith.

          • jesterpunk

            I am not refuting your idea, I was posting the video and full quote of what he said backing up your idea.

          • SpudRaider

            thanks!!! Sorry if I seemed defensive.

          • jesterpunk

            NP, I should have phrased it better and its easy to take things wrong with so many trolls around.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          Just another example of how amazingly good the GOP is at smearing people

          • jesterpunk

            Just like Pelosi’s “…we have to pass this bill to see what is in it….” its not even the whole sentence.

            The full quote is

            “You’ve heard about the controversies, the process about the bill…but I don’t know if you’ve heard that it is legislation for the future – not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America,” she told the National Association of Counties annual legislative conference, which has drawn about 2,000 local officials to Washington. “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it – away from the fog of the controversy.”

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Yup, they lie- but they lie really well

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            They lie by omission and taking things out of context. But one has to be a critical thinker, and investigate other sources when one hears something sensational being flogged. The problem is they are predisposed to believe because it plays into their prejudices, (or fears.)

          • William
        • JJ O’Shaughnessy

          Yes, I know. I was doing this horrible thing called “snark.” the 3 “but”s should have been the clue. :)

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            I totally got it.

      • IdRatherBeDancing

        And he wore (gasp) earth tones!

        • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

          He. Had. A. Beard.

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            Was fat. Rode in airplane.

        • Debbie the Unpaid Protester

          Was he the one labeled “Metrosexual,” or was that John Kerry or Obama? I get my memes mixed up sometimes.

      • William

        Would you be so kind as to furnish the quote where he said he invented the internet? Thanks in advance.

    • Noelle

      I’d take him, but would prefer newer blood like Harris, Kennedy, Lieu, Schiff. But NOT that lying fraud Sanders. Can’t stand that selfish prick.

    • charles freeland II

      Biden is good.

  • Rachel Book Harlot

    I love this woman so much.

  • Stop making me like Hillary!

  • Webster

    Nothing but nothing is going to change until we get off the Demerry-go-round… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/831f62b3f851605d1402bba05b2a9df4f9716645bfba110e52dd915146bd5690.png

    • Anna Rompage

      Um, your diagram is missing one thing…

      Bernie lost the primary election…

      • Webster

        It’s 2017. The primaries are over. The election is over. 2018 is on its way, and you’re still going round and round…

        • Anna Rompage

          Really? I voted for my first choice in the primaries, which was Bernie… He lost, so I moved on to my second choice in the general which was Hillary…

          I must admit, I was a bit dismayed by all the Bernie purity ponies who kept trying to tell me that voting for Hillary in the general was just as bad as voting from Trump, and that I should either vote for Stein, or sit out until the next round

          • William

            Well of course. Hillary has been known to constantly brag about grabbing men by their genitals because she’s a star and has tic-tacs. Clearly just as bad.

          • Webster

            Same here, and I voted for Hillary in the end — but let’s be courageous and start working on policies that people can be for instead of whining about what might have been.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Who exactly is “whining about what might have been” other than the Bros™ who keep carping about how Bernie would have beat Trump and everything is Hillary’s fault?

            Your sentiments about moving forward are exactly right- but you’re preaching to the choir here

          • Webster

            I’ve been a Democrat all my life and all that this thread has taught me is that the Democratic Party has ossified into a same-old, same-old business-as-usual corporate entity that is afraid of daring to have a genuine and bold progressive vision. Fine. I’ll leave you all to patting each other on the back…

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            THAT is what you’ve gotten out of this thread?

            SMH flounce away

          • Resistance Fighter Astraea

            Not sure how a bunch of randos on a blog who can’t even comment because comments aren’t allowed have so much power over what happens in the Democratic Party.

          • Lord Jim

            Bold and progressive vision? Like stumping for universal health care when it wasn’t popular? Do you realize that the core of the ACA, the individual mandate, was a Heritage foundation idea that they cooked up because they were scared shitless that Hillary might win people over? Have you read her policy proposals? Try her website or her book w/ Tim Kaine.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          We’re not the ones going round and round though. I’m perfectly good with looking forward to 2018 and 2020. I’m not the one obsessed with relitigating the 2016 primary.

        • Serai 1

          Ah, so when we’re talking about YOUR candidate, the past doesn’t matter, right? It only matters when the candidate who got the most votes is being discussed. How surprising.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6f5633452b8b71f95e970396695cf185688fb2ab26c4e33299f21a15f800f805.gif

    • Roadstergal

      You do realize there are elections outside of the presidential one, yes? That there are local elections and Senators and Representatives and all of the other components of a functioning democracy?

      A key part of ‘grassroots’ is ‘getting folk you like elected at the local level.’ Democrats work on that every year. If you come out only once every four years like a socialist cicada, you’re not going to get a lot of traction in a party.

      • Webster

        And that’s why I’m suggesting that perhaps, gasp! we ought to start listening to each other instead of going in circles. Just a thought…

        • Roadstergal

          I read up on all of the local candidates in our local elections, even the most whackadoodle ones (and I’m in the Bay Area, so we have our share). Run some folk whose messages you agree with, and I’m by-definition going to listen.

        • JJ O’Shaughnessy

          And maybe splitting the vote by going “third party” when one is competent and the other is an existential threat is a bad idea, not “going in circles”. I mean, Bush was obviously going to be such a good president that Nader screwing the Gore vote really does not matter right? And then it happens again with trump, so all those guys that say it are just parinoid.

          Build up your party bottom up, not top down

        • Serai 1

          And yet any time someone points out why your supposed “listening” is one-sided, you just throw it right back and insist that WE are the ones who don’t want things to change. Until you learn to own your mistakes, we’re not going to take you seriously.

    • JJ O’Shaughnessy

      When you have 4 people on the ballot (Like Stien and the Libertarian git), you have to accept that you are actually voting for the best of 4 evils. You are not escaping the system and bieng pure by not voting for the top 2.

      Plus WBush thanks you for helping him defeat Gore in ’00, and there were no bad consequences from that.

      • BreakingDeadMen

        You know, and I don’t think this can be said enough, Nader was an infinitely stronger candidate than Stein and arguably more plausible at doing the hard work of the job than Sanders. Sanders has spent more time in government than Nader, but I think Nader and his organization had more influence on actually crafting and passing legislation than Sanders. Nader had plans that were more detailed than Sanders’ sloganeering, if less developed than HRC or Gore.

        • JJ O’Shaughnessy

          Yeah, I think that is all fair to say.

        • Serai 1

          Oh, Christ. Nader had no actual interest in being President. He barely campaigned, and made no effort to reach out or bring people in. He just wanted to have people listen to him the way they did back when he actually did things to earn the attention. None of his attempts to run were serious, and he never gave the impression that he had any passion for the job.

          • BreakingDeadMen

            Yes, and Stein is a notch below even that.

    • QuirkyGal

      Nope. Need to own your shit there. We got an Iraq war with that kind of thinking and now we have Cantaloupe Caligula. POTUS elections are binary choices not purity tests.

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      The only person anyone has said is not a Democrat is Bernie, who is in fact not a Democrat and is very loud and clear about it, and also constantly shits on the Democratic Party.

      Also, we just had a historically great two-term president who achieved the most progress since LBJ (that is, in the past 50 years), and who was shat on by the left from day one for eight years, which makes me permanently disinclined to think the problem is with the Democratic Party.

      • jesterpunk

        Wasn’t there some old white guy who wanted to primary Obama in 2012?

    • Serai 1

      Right, because your insistence on having everything your own way and not wanting to compromise, negotiate, or budge even an inch on the slightest things has nothing to do with this.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8ea23636606592bac95ba126099d6b49c8088a3280db8876564388efaf35ec03.gif

  • CO
  • House0fTheBlueLights

    I never buy political memoires, but I bought that one (through the linky on Wonkette! You’re welcome for the penny!)

  • Gayer Than Thou

    Why will Hillary not just blame herself for literally everything and be done with it?

    • Anna Rompage

      Why didn’t you know? Hillary was the snake that convinced Eve to eat the bad apple off of the magic tree…

    • William

      Exactly. I wake up in the morning, roll over and apologize to my bride for everything I may or may not do today. My life is a paragon of peace and tranquility

    • Lord Jim

      Hemorrhoid flare-up today. DAMMIT HILLARY!

      • shivaskeeper

        I am torn on this. “DAMMIT HILLARY!” just does not have the same ring as “Thanks, Obama”.

        Come to think of it that works anyway. Even when coming up with a two word insult to show how everything is her fault, she still can’t win.

    • Serai 1
  • CW

    Trump came in second and gets to be President. Sanders came in second and is “America’s favorite politician”.

    Saying this as a straight white male, we’re the ones who get affirmative action, not women and minorities.

  • William

    I planned on attending a book signing just to see if I can pinpoint (plus or minus) the moment when any and all Fox-Fed Limbaugh lickers in attendance will shake, drool, and scream BEGHAZI! My wife tenderly took my hand shook her head and softly said “It’s a books store honey…..a book store. *sigh*.

  • Mormos

    I am the messiah, and for four easy payments of $49.95 so can you!

  • TimResistit

    Universal Health care, Decriminalizing MJ laws would be a damn good start IMO.

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      Democrats having working for health care since FDR, and blue states have already decriminalized marijuana. Somehow it seems that nothing Democrats do ever counts, for some reason.

      • FeloniousMonk

        “they’re all the same.” “new boss same as the old boss.” Get with the program!

      • jesterpunk

        “But those programs also help those people.”

    • Serai 1

      Oh, you mean the universal health care that HILLARY FOUGHT FOR??

      • TimResistit

        Maybe, maybe not, as long as it it puts people’s health BEFORE PROFITS.

      • middleclassman1

        When? She didn’t say one word about universal healthcare in 2016 other than it would be to hard to do and we shouldn’t try. We’ll sit back my friends and watch the show tomorrow!

        • She’s been talking about universal healthcare since the 1990s. What was Hilarycare all about then?

          Single payer and universal healthcare aren’t the same thing. Single payer is only one of many funding mechanisms to can be used to achieve universal healthcare – and given the power of the healthcare lobby (not just the health insurance lobby), the most difficult to implement. But there are others, like the German system. Geez.

  • Andrew Rheinheimer

    For me, it was Bernie in the Primary, and Clinton in the General.

    I’m not a Clinton fan, but if there was one big thing Mr. Sanders peddaled that I didn’t like, it was nationalism.

    The trick is to be as left leaning as you can, without throwing yourself off the crevasse of propaganda and misinformation; the right wing isn’t the only wing filled with shitheels.

    Also, SCIENCE RULEZ.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      Yeah, I’m really uncomfortable with nationalistic populism on any side.

    • Andrew Rheinheimer

      Personally, I’m thankful for his bringing me much more into politics and the other good things Evan pointed out here, but beyond that I’d prefer Warren to be President over Sanders.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Well said.

  • Mormos
    • covfefesumgame0005

      I remember all the whining Bernie-bros did when they found out they were to fucking STUPID to have checked a box on a form! LOL!

      • Serai 1

        That really put the nail in the coffin for me. For fuck’s sake, if you can’t even get organized enough to know how your state or county does these things, you’re not worth listening to.

  • Suse

    Why is this woman even still alive? Or is she? The real Hillary dropped dead last year of cancer/Parkinson’s/Alzheimer’s/Dengue Fever, I believe, and this is one of the many clones created by Dr. Clayton Forrester.

    • Anna Rompage

      I heard she had ebola because she bled out of her whatever….

      • Zyxomma

        Ha! I was just going to say Suse, you forgot Ebola.

    • charles freeland II

      Had to upvote the mst3k ref

  • Andrew Rheinheimer

    Would anyone else like to see a Warren/Biden or Warren/Harris ticket in 2020?

    Just curious.

    • Zyxomma

      Sure.

    • tza

      I will also taken Warren/Franken, Franken/Warren, or Franken/Harris. Or Duckworth Franken, but I know that’s a real longshot.

  • eggs ackly-wright

    I clicky to see new comments and Disqus eated them.

    • Roadstergal

      Typical Shillary, breaking the comments!!!11!!!

    • jesterpunk

      Your not missing much, most are Bernie Bros telling us how he is the first coming of Jesus.

      • eggs ackly-wright

        Yeah, I saw downthread. It’s a bottomless pit. I’m sticking with the People’s Front until someone offers a bribe.

  • LoveCoates

    Medicare-for-All is lame sloganeering akin to “repeal and replace.” Democrats have no way to pay for it without 1) massive middle and working class tax hikes, raising taxes to European levels or 2) heavy rationing and reduction of health care choice to the point that coverage is low quality. This pandering is pathetic. Democrats used to be the party of adults and facts, and it should stay that way.

    • jesterpunk

      How about raising the top tax rates to what they used to be before Saint Ronnie Raygun was President?

      • gratuitous

        Or the tax rates we had at the end of Bill Clinton’s term, the rates that resulted in budget surpluses, which could have been used to pay down the national debt which was suddenly no longer important on January 21, 2001 by an amazing coincidence.

        • jesterpunk

          I remember someone sending out a $300 check and saying if you didn’t go shopping the terrorists won.

        • jesterpunk

          Paying it down is fine but if it is completely paid off its really bad.But congressional republicans keep trying to frame it like a household budget and so many people buy that bullshit.

      • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

        Weird! Back then, there wasn’t even such a widening disparity between haves and have-nots as there is now!

        I BET IT WAS HER EMAILS THAT CAUSED IT

    • FeloniousMonk

      I think real Democrats agree, the problem is the Bernie-crats. Good grief, Obamacare is a couple tweaks and nudges away from universal health care, and it has the word “Obama” in the name. Single-payer is a solution without a problem.

      • middleclassman1

        Obama wanted public healthcare nice try though!

    • NotALiar

      3. Back to 90% tax on uber wealthy. I’m a very poor person. I’ll gladly pay more taxes for everyone to have healthcare. Not having a single payer system is cruel.

      • lauran

        From what I understand the problem isn’t just paying for it but the effect it will have on jobs and the economy. Healthcare is a huge business. It needs to be incremental like starting with Hillary’s and other’s idea of lowering Medicare down to 50 and above. This would help lower costs for those under and give the economy time to adjust.

        • middleclassman1

          The effect it will have on jobs and workers it would give them more mobility, you won’t be stuck in a crappy job because you don’t want to lose your health insurance. It will take that off of the bargaining table and workers can then concentrate on bargaining for better wages. Win win

          • lauran

            The health insurance industry is huge. There is also the business surrounding the industry. One can’t flip a switch and just turn it off without hurting the economy. Obamacare was the first step to Single Payer, that’s why the GOP hates it so much. Hillary would have taken it the next step.

      • Serai 1

        You do realize that only three countries in the world have an actual single-payer system, right? The rest, including countries whose healthcare systems work very, very well, are a combination of government-payer and private insurance. If you’re gonna stamp your foot and insist ONLY SINGLE PAYER DAMMIT, you don’t have a chance in hell of getting it. Flexibility is the key. Otherwise, you’re just jerking off, and we’ve had enough of that, thanks.

        • middleclassman1

          You better do more research on that!

        • NotALiar

          I never said I wasn’t flexible. ACA was a great start. Medicare for all is a great second step. It also happens to have support from the majorty of the country. I want single payer but I’m happy to help work towards the next step. I believe in very far left policies but I also voted for Hillary and do not believe in burning everything down if we don’t get it right now. I don’t have time for people who didn’t vote to keep Donald Trump from being president.

    • shivaskeeper

      It could be done. But until the word “taxes” is allowed back into politic discourse, it won’t.

      If we can;t get that first step out of the way, there is no chance for the rest of it.

    • Serai 1

      That is why OBAMACARE SHOULD BE FIXED. Instead of chasing yet another of Bernie’s ponies, we should be working to improve what we’ve already got. It’s FAR more difficult to create a new system than it is to fix the old one.

      • middleclassman1

        Single payer is what even Obama wanted, no ponies here move along

        • Serai 1

          So why tear down Obamacare then? What’s the point in starting a whole new thing when we’ve got a system already started that just needs to be fixed????

          • middleclassman1

            Because the part that needs to be fixed is that the for profit insurance companies are a cog in the wheels that need to be removed. Obama’s original plan was single payer

    • middleclassman1

      You sound like a republican, you are on the wrong site lol

  • middleclassman1

    I have to say I really enjoy Wonkette and believed it was a true progressive site but I’m learning I was wrong. Make sure you all give Hillary her $2000 for her book signing she really cares about the progressive movement. Lol

    • Anna Rompage

      The “Progressive movement” you speak of is little more that libertarians who think pot should be legalized, and that are open to sleeping with anyone who might give them the chance, regardless of their gender…

      • middleclassman1

        Wrong. I held my nose and voted for Hillary but tell me other than she wasn’t a republican or Trump why should I be Happy about it. What is her agenda I should get behind?

        • jesterpunk
        • ltmcdies

          Oh my god, what a whine.

          What agenda. She’s not running again. She wrote a book that people can buy or not.
          She going on a book tour which people can pay to attend or not

          But your ‘Murica, bud and can’t shut people up just cuz …

          Even female people who the teremity not to agree with you

        • covfefesumgame0005

          she had them all on her website that if you were not such a lazy thinker you could have read

          • middleclassman1

            Read it she flip flopped on most of them how can I trust her?

          • covfefesumgame0005

            name them

        • jesterpunk

          Anyone that starts anything with “but I held my nose and voted for..” should be ignored. Its not voting for American Idiot its voting for the POTUS, the most powerful position in the world and the person that has control of the nuclear weapons.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN8q8f5lQ_o

          • middleclassman1

            Why should I be ignored for that? It was a sad day when Americans had to go to the polls and choose between two of the most disliked candidates in history, we had to make our choice based on who we didn’t want to be President of our great nation rather than who we wanted to and anyone who doesn’t realize that they are the ones who need to be ignored!

          • jesterpunk

            You know a lot of people actually where really happy to vote for Hillary because we liked her policies and wanted her as President right?

        • Anna Rompage

          Reproductive healthcare, marriage equality, the environment, equal rights for women & minorities, our economy, people’s access to health care,immigrants, & our relationship with the rest of the world, would not be in peril right now if Hillary was president…

          • middleclassman1

            The economy, is she for TPP today or against it? The environment, is she for the pipeline today or not? I mean it’s nice to be general on positions but getting down to it what we’re her plans on the issues you listed?

          • Anna Rompage

            The TPP? Really, you got suckered into thinking that was a bad deal?

            Let me ask you, how is expanding our exports to Asian nations, and blocking china’s ability to become the major trading bastion of that region a bad thing?

            While trade deals might seem like a bad thing, look at the results, the countries we have as trading partners, they are the countries we export the most goods to…

            We live in a global market, and we can either play along and be part of it, or sit on the sidelines and let China, Russia, and other major producer of goods take the lead both literally, and economically.

            We don’t have the internal natural resources, or skilled labor force to be a major mfg powerhouse anymore..

            Stop trying to live like it’s 1963, because it’s not

          • middleclassman1

            Any trade deal that doesn’t include a provision that any country we trade with has to have a standard of workers rights and protections, environmental regulations and an even playing field for the American worker is not a fair trade deal! NAFTA wasn’t and the TPP wasn’t a fair deal for American workers so you are the one who is being suckered!

          • Anna Rompage

            NAFTA is so bad that Mexico & Canada are two of the countries we export the most goods to….

            I agree that deals like this can always be better, but in this circumstance, I feel it would ave been better to have a deal, than to let China come in and fill the trading vacuum that we left by withdrawing from these…

            The funny thing is tat one of my dear friends is actually one of the folks who negotiates these deals for the US, and when you get down to the nuts and bolts, the crappy media sources you use often site untrue or misleading information when providing opposition to such things..

          • charles freeland II

            Yeah you hear her say she’s against tpp when public opinion was against it and then the she picks Tim kaine as vp, the biggest proponent of tpp in Democratic Party.

        • BeverlyCrusher’sWig

          You mean you need a reason other than Bernie himself worked to write said agenda?

        • Serai 1

          No. If you don’t know by now what her policies are, when she’s given HUNDREDS of speeches over the years and written book after book about them, then you’re not paying attention. And like it or not, your willful refusal to know anything other than the six talking points you’ve seen is not our responsibility. If you want to sound like you have a brain when talking about this, go do your own fucking research, Sparky.

          Oh, and you can go JAQ off somewhere else. Those troll tricks are old and tired.

          • middleclassman1

            And what are they? Is she for the horrible TPP today or not? Is she for the pipeline at this time or against it? Is she for single payer or is that too hard to fight for? Is she for a free education system now? Is she for or against campaign cash from oligarchs? Tell me.? The only reason I voted for her is because she wasn’t a republican or Trump and it’s a sad day in America when I have to base my vote on that!

          • Serai 1

            NO. Take your JAQing off elsewhere. You’re a troll and I’m not gonna play Teacher Please Fuck Me with you. Fuck off.

        • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

          Your holding your nose vote did nothing since you effectively convinced ten others “Why bother? Hillary and Trump both suck.”

        • sgt. jmk of the résistance

          It’s all pretty easy to find here at https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/.

          Just click a panel to read all about her policies regarding individual issues.

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        …and that are open to sleeping with anyone who might give them the chance, regardless of their gender…

        Uh, that’s not a bad thing, is it?

    • Lord Jim

      Make sure to buy Bernie’s book and support the “revolution”.

      • jesterpunk

        Isn’t that going to pay for his wife’s legal fund?

      • middleclassman1

        At a reasonable price, without a $2000vip signing and a book about great policies and how we get them I will thank you. You get your poor me I was the heir apparent it was my turn what happened book lol

        • jesterpunk

          The great policies that he has no idea how to do anything with but hey they fit on a bumper sticker.

          • middleclassman1

            Watch Cspan tomorrow genius!

          • jesterpunk

            Here is his how to break up wall street “policy”, let the banks do it. That sure sounds like a well thought out policy from a genius.

            http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306

            Daily News: So if you look forward, a year, maybe two years, right now you have…JPMorgan has 241,000 employees. About 20,000 of them in New York. $192 billion in net assets. What happens? What do you foresee? What is JPMorgan in year two of…

            Sanders: What I foresee is a stronger national economy. And, in fact, a stronger economy in New York State, as well. What I foresee is a financial system which actually makes affordable loans to small and medium-size businesses. Does not live as an island onto themselves concerned about their own profits. And, in fact, creating incredibly complicated financial tools, which have led us into the worst economic recession in the modern history of the United States.

            Daily News: I get that point. I’m just looking at the method because, actions have reactions, right? There are pluses and minuses. So, if you push here, you may get an unintended consequence that you don’t understand. So, what I’m asking is, how can we understand? If you look at JPMorgan just as an example, or you can do Citibank, or Bank of America. What would it be? What would that institution be? Would there be a consumer bank? Where would the investing go?

            Sanders: I’m not running JPMorgan Chase or Citibank.

            Daily News: No. But you’d be breaking it up.

            Sanders: That’s right. And that is their decision as to what they want to do and how they want to reconfigure themselves. That’s not my decision. All I am saying is that I do not want to see this country be in a position where it was in 2008, where we have to bail them out. And, in addition, I oppose that kind of concentration of ownership entirely.

            You’re asking a question, which is a fair question. But let me just take your question and take it to another issue. Alright? It would be fair for you to say, “Well, Bernie, you got on there that you are strongly concerned about climate change and that we have to transform our energy system away from fossil fuel. What happens to the people in the fossil fuel industry?”

            That’s a fair question. But the other part of that is if we do not address that issue the planet we’re gonna leave your kids and your grandchildren may not be a particularly healthy or habitable one. So I can’t say, if you’re saying that we’re going to break up the banks, will it have a negative consequence on some people? I suspect that it will. Will it have a positive impact on the economy in general? Yes, I think it will.

        • shivaskeeper

          You do understand that policy positions with plan to implement them are useless right? If the plan was to go with Hillary’s plans to implement thing, why vote support Bernie in the first place?

        • Lord Jim

          Delusion is a helluva drug. Does your Medicare pay for that?

      • ltmcdies

        No

    • jesterpunk
    • shivaskeeper

      Please define “progressive” and explain how a Democrat cannot be one.

      • jesterpunk
      • middleclassman1

        Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren is the definition of progressive.

        • shivaskeeper

          Nice deflection coupled with bog standard intellectual dishonesty

          That is not a definition. I did not ask for examples. I asked for your definition of “progressive”.

          Would you like to try again? One part of the question at a time if that will make it easier for you.

          What is the definition of a progressive?

    • The Librarian

      HRC must really touch a nerve to bring out all the trolls today.

      • ltmcdies

        Well she is not declaring fealty to Bernie, The High Sparrow..

        • The Librarian

          Ah, that must be it. And here I thought that they needed someone else to point the finger at.

        • jesterpunk
        • charles freeland II

          K stop equating Hillary with cersi, it really doesn’t help anything.

          • ltmcdies

            Margary???

          • charles freeland II

            Ok I can see that makes more sense.

    • Serai 1
    • Kooolest G

      das vidaniya comrade bot

      • middleclassman1

        Speak English dumb ass. No bots here sorry to ruin your excuse!

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
  • Tio_Doidinho

    THIS IS WHY WE CAN’T HAVE NICE THINGS!!

    Just needed to get that out of my system.

  • Winston Statehill

    You guys are going to love another 4 years with Trump. You deserve him. This is just plain bull shit.

    • jesterpunk
      • Winston Statehill

        What’s the matter; don’t like the president you helped elect?

        • jesterpunk

          I didnt help elect the Orange moron. I voted for Hillary along with almost 66 million other people.

        • ltmcdies

          In case you didn’t notice, you helped elect him too.

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          Weird, I think I voted for the person who won the popular vote.

          • Winston Statehill

            Me, too – Hillary. That’s why this Hillary-bashing article is bullshit.

          • jesterpunk

            You should have been clearer in your comment, also this article isnt bashing Hillary its making fun of the Hillary bashing. Your original comment came off as something the Trump supporters and Bernie Bros have been saying.

          • Winston Statehill

            “GOD HILLARY, BITTER MUCH?”

            That’s the QUOTE from Wonkette that accompanies this article on Facebook. If that’s not bashing, what is?

          • jesterpunk

            You must be new here?

          • SomeBigRedDog

            OMG he’s so dumb its almost cute.

          • jesterpunk
          • BearDeLaOursistance

            I think best practices in the welcoming department is to give the new guy a dick joke and some canned clams. However, it’ll be a few months until the Cakes We Like options vest.

          • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

            Heh. I’d politely request for someone to please become involved in the calming of their teats, if I may be so impolitic?

            These are the ways of Wonket, who will often don the hideous mutated fur-skins and speak in the obnoxious voice of her political enemies, for comedy purposes, known colloquially as teh lulz.

            It takes a moment to get acclimated to it.

          • Serai 1

            Go to this site:

            dictionary.com

            Look up “sarcasm”. Then look up “satire”. (That should be easy; they’re real close to each other.) Then, as a corollary, look up “humor”. “Joke” and “fun” wouldn’t hurt either. Make notes on all of them, write a three-page analysis that connects them to HOW THICK YOU ARE, and print it out. Then roll it up and stuff it as far up your ass as you can manage.

          • Daniel

            Irony.

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            Yes… it makes fun of people who say that.

            I promise you, we’ve had WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too many Berners and Trumpists flounce out of here because there is an insufficient amount of Hillz-hatin’ up in this beyotch for their tastes.

          • Rita D. Lipshutz

            is this the first time you ever read wonkette? because they ALWAYS use this tone, whining like the righties to make fun of the righties. i also thought you were either a berner or a trump humper at first.

          • jesterpunk

            I would think the “nasty vile little snark mob” in the title would give that away…

          • MarionL

            Hi Rita,
            I am reading The Destruction of Hillary Clinton by Susan Bordo.

            It’s terrific!

            Love,

            Marion

          • Serai 1
          • Daniel

            …what?

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            No, no… first, recalibrate your snarkometer, and then read the article again.

        • Serai 1
    • Marceline

      If true, you’re going to have to live with him too. Does that bother you enough to try and stop it or is it more important to you to see Dems suffer?

      Because we know what the answer was for a lot of purity ponies in 2016. If they didn’t get their Bernie Sanders action figure for Christmas they were happy to stick it to marginalized communities. Because of that we have an AG who pretty much masturbates to the thought of private prisons and civil forfeiture, 800,000 of our fellow Americans live in fear of deportation, and trans people in the military are in limbo.

      • Winston Statehill

        I’m doing MY part to keep him out of office – voting for Hillary – quite unlike the Bernie bots that are represented by this stupid fallacious character assassination produced by the woman haters here at Wonkette.

    • Serai 1
  • cosmiccowgirl

    “AND PROBABLY HAVE PNEUMONIA AT ALL TIMES”

    Yesterday I was trying to find video of Hillary right after 9/11/2001, and I had to search through hundreds of videos of her stumbling during the 9/11 event last year to find one of her responding to the attacks as a NY senator. This seemed like the perfect encapsulation of how she’s represented in the media.

  • whitroth

    You’re saying Bernie *didn’t* stump for her? Really?

    I’m also past tired about the Hill’s Bros who keep attacking Bernie, and people who were his supporters. “He’s not a Real Democrat”… if that’s not the definition of a fucking purity test, nothing is. It’s also say, IN CAPS, “we don’t want your votes, we don’t need you, go away”, which is STOOOPID.

    A VERY much more serious problem is the number of districts Hilary won in… and the number the Orange Shithead won in.

    Heal the party? How ’bout, “hey, Bernie supporters, let’s get together and UNRIG the goddamn Republican gerrymandering, so we can get honest votes (and drown the Rethuglicans in votes).

    • Marceline

      “Hill’s Bros?”

    • King Beauregard

      “You’re saying Bernie *didn’t* stump for her?”

      Half-heartedly, and only after he’d already spent months convincing his faithful that Hillary was corrupt and unqualified.

      • ltmcdies

        Also… book tour

      • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

        For me, it was clear, stark contrast. When he lost the last primary that gave him any last mathematical unicorn chance to win. I’d have to look up which one that was, if I really gave a shit about re-litigating the election.

        But at that moment, after the primary results that ended his chances, he stood on stage, and instead of breaking it to his fans that the first phase of the fight was all over, who were literally wailing ‘nooooo,’ he hesitated… wavered… and then opted to thunder at them “And, of course, we’ll fight on!”

        In that moment, I think I could see him mentally weighing all the dollars of his “average donations” and all the fame of his “revolution” evaporating against the alternative, which was “we’ll fight on, BEHIND HILLARY!”

        And so he “fought on” right up until more than halfway into the actual convention nominating the person everyone decided should carry the fight the rest of the way over the line. And even then, as you say, he did it begrudgingly.

        That was soooo gross.

        • whitroth

          Oh. and none of you remember that HIllary only started to endorse single payer, and free college, and tuition help, *after* Bernie campaigned on them?

          Are any of you going to tell me she would have if he had not fought so hard?

          • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

            That’s was the whole purpose of Bernie running. And even then, Hillary was accused of “stealing” from Bernie, who is stealing from John Conyers right now with his single payer Senate stunt.

          • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

            Bernie was into Single Payer before it was cool, man!*

            I’ll be honest. I guess I don’t know the True Value of Hipster Currency, where you get to take credit for liking things before they become cool, and that is of greater value than, say, the actual things even remotely standing a chance of coming to fruition.

            My answer is, I do remember that.

            And? Neither one of them is leading this nation, implementing these great ideas, wherever they “originated” from.

            Everyone fucking lost. Seems like her adopting his ideas would have been a great reason to vote FOR her, no? Like, maybe at that point, it’s a win-win? Hmm.

            I’ll give Bernie credit for one “great idea,” which was to cling onto his cult of personality way past the point of rationality, until reality came along and essentially pried it out of his reluctant grasp. And if you ask me, he’s STILL sniping from the sidelines, sandbagging.

            If this makes you sad, not my problem.

            *Except you know, how Hillary did it first. In 1993.

          • whitroth

            And fucked it up, with all the behind closed doors meeting with insurance execs, etc.

            And, I’ll note, the AMA was still agin’ Socialized Medicine. They’ve come around since then.

          • charles freeland II

            Also they forget Hillary only stopped attacking obama after he promised her the Secretary of State job, and still less Hillary supporters voted for obama than sanders voters voted for Clinton.

      • whitroth

        Oh, I see, he did, but not hard enough – in your estimation.

        What the fuck do you want? For all Bernie supporters – and you lot are all implying that all of us didn’t vote for Hillary, that we’re all attacking Hillary. Note that I did NOT start attacking Hillary, I complained that you were using this thread to attack us, and we objected to being attacked.

        You don’t like that.

        Bullshit. You’re acting *exactly* like you accuse all of us of acting. Mote, eye, etc.

        But you’re still not saying, damn it, let’s work together. Note that I did *not* start by attacking Hillary. Even – and I do blame you for this – made snide comments about Bernie, leading to this, and you should have *known* it was going to go this way.

        I, and I’m sure all the other Bernie supporters, are fucking tired of being attacked for not falling on our knees, and confessing how we had Heard the Words of the Evil One, and we were completely wrong, and now we love Hillary, and we want to Saved.

        Fuck that shit.

        • Wojciech
        • King Beauregard

          I don’t give a fuck of how tired you are of hearing the truth about your man-god and his shitty fan base. Sanders worked very hard to make sure his followers would hate Hillary — not just vote for him, but hate her — and his lukewarm attempts at undoing the harm he caused were woefully inadequate.

          Remember all the times Bernie made like the primaries were rigged against him? Fucking sore loser, doing what he could to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the process. Consider that yet another way Bernie did what he could to make sure his faithful wouldn’t support Hillary in numbers.

        • Serai 1

          Your fuckin egos are your own problem, shithead. Blocking you because you’ve never had a worthwhile word to say, and I’m sick of your selfish little entitled ass, white boy.

    • ltmcdies

      He’s not a real democrat because he won’t join the damn party he wants to lead.

      • whitroth

        Please reconsider what you wrote. He became a Democrat to run for the office of President of the US, as in President of *everyone*, not just Dems, as opposed to the GOP, who only want to President and Represent a subset of Rethuglicans.

        • teele

          And then he quit again. He’s back to being an independent. We call that “opportunism” where I come from.

          • middleclassman1

            He caucuses with the Democrats, he knew that if he ran as an I dependant he would just be splitting the vote and handing the election to the Republicans. Respect that!

          • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

            “Respect that!”

            Okay, sure. That’s a thoughtful position he took. Quite responsible, and very forward-thinking.

            Yet…
            Everyone still lost.

            Such principle, so dignity!

            When I total up the bill for all that went wrong in this election, there are many many many lines. Also, there is a line-item in it specifically for Bernie, “Being Antagonistic For Far Too Long,”

            Look, I’m grateful he helps move Democratic goals down the field, when it suits him. That’s fine. That’s great.

            You know what? That’s why *I* vote for Democrats, too.
            Look at me and Bernie, like peas in a pod!

            However, that caucusing? That will never be enough to pay off his share of the what-went-wrong bottom line, as I see it.

            I dunno why it matters, all these people not respecting Bernie much, now. Why would it matter…?

            Wait. You’re not thinking Bernie ought to run again. Because NO. FUCK THAT GUY.

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          He took the resources that many people had put years of hard work into. He used it to his own advantage. And then when it was no longer advantageous for him, he attacked their organization and work as a corrupt establishment system.

        • ltmcdies

          I reconsider nothing. He presently angles to lead the Democratic Party, his supporters sit on on various “Unity” committes but as of right now, he clearly states he is not a Democrat
          He states this, not others, he does

    • cinderellen

      Bernie is not a Democrat. He is an Independent (this he will tell you himself). He ran for president AS a Democrat due to some kind of courtesy from the DNC. It’s not some bizarre purity test. It’s just what happened.

      • whitroth

        “Courtesy”? He joined the party. The same way I joined in ’04, when I was working to support Dean.

        Oh… and as he said, when he announced he was running, a) no independent can possibly win in the US, given the current setup, and b) he was not going to be Ralph Nader (are you old enough to remember his affect on Bush v. Gore?)

        • whitroth

          And, looking at the followups NOT ONE OF YOU IS PAYING ANY ATTENTION TO WHAT I SAID ABOUT VOTES, AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO. You’re *STILL* attacking Bernie supporters.

          Worse than fools, you’re counterproductive. The GOP ADORES you.

        • Serai 1

          And yet, here he is, BEING FUCKING RALPH NADER.

      • middleclassman1

        He caucuses with Democrats, pay attention

        • jesterpunk

          If he wants a say he can join the Democratic party. If not he can shut the fuck up or form his own purity pony party.

          • middleclassman1

            Yes because it would be stupid for Democrats to welcome.e Bernie and his millions of activist independent voters into the party. Lol no wonder Democrats are getting killed at the polls

          • jesterpunk

            He isnt a Democrat, he said he isnt a Democrat. If he doesnt want to be a Democrat then he shouldn’t get any say in Democrats policies or use Democrats resources or infrastructure or pick anyone for a “unity council”.

            Also children that get offended by this can fuck off until they can grow the fuck up.

            http://www.downtowndonutsla.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Photo8.jpg

          • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

            “Getting killed at the polls.”

            The number of Independents in the House and Senate.
            Would you mind terribly, counting all of them, please? I hope it’s not too much trouble!

            Thank you in advance!

    • Marceline

      He didn’t stump for her. At best he stumped against Trump.

      He took a few months off to write a book about…get this…WHAT HAPPENED then slouched his way passive-aggressively to a few rallies and sat on some TV shows talking about Hillary while looking like he was passing a kidney stone.

    • Serai 1

      Oh, yes. We are dreadful. Such awful people.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c581bbbda8b944c6c3f7d1e5b854e1d610169eea7eb6613ea8b94b0a39fe5309.jpg

      How can you even STAND to come here and harangue us? I mean, the fumes alone must be choking your poor little eyes! Run! Run from the evil!

    • sgt. jmk of the résistance

      IS he a Democrat? No. So saying he’s not is HARDLY a purity test, is it? It’s a statement of fact – he ran for the Democratic nomination but he is not an actual, real Democrat.

      I do want to heal the party and address the horrific GOP gerrymandering that cooks every election, but have you failed to notice that the hardcore Berners call the Democratic party criminals and degenerates, and are still screaming about how they rigged the primaries for Hillary McBenghaziPants?

      I’m not being nasty when I ask how in the name of Dawg is the Democratic party supposed to talk to – much less, work with – people who demand that party leadership turn the keys and everything else over to them or they’ll burn it down?

      I’m honestly asking for suggestions.

    • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

      Bernie didn’t stump for her, he stumped against Trump, and even then, it was milquetoast. Bernie never called out his surrogates who used the most harsh and hateful language towards Hillary Clinton, and he never enthusiastically supported Hillary the same way Hillary enthusiastically supported Obama in 2008. And Bernie is STILL trashing our party after HE broke in and made a mess out of our house. FUCK HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • middleclassman1

        Hillary ran on the platform of I’m not Trump

        • sgt. jmk of the résistance

          No, sorry – she had dozens of detailed, well-considered, well-sourced and researched policy positions.

          She was called boring and “over-prepared” and too wonkish for being too immersed in policy…right up until folks like you started scolding her for having run “on the platform of I’m not Trump.”

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          This is complete bullshit. No one arguing in good faith can claim that Clinton had no message or policy positions of her own.

        • jesterpunk
          • bbayliss

            Clinton’s website has nearly 40 pages outlining policy positions plus additional fact sheets for every proposal. Trump, the billionaire who prefers to offer his ideas and vision with broad strokes, has a website with policies, too: It’s seven pages.

        • bbayliss

          Which, in any sane and rational world on earth, would have been enough.
          But that’s not what she ran on.
          She actually had thoughtful policy, which was supported with detailed mechanisms for enacting them.
          Bernie offered a pony.

    • Serai 1

      HE IS NOT A DEMOCRAT. You know how I know?

      HE FUCKING SAYS SO HIMSELF.

      What is it about that simple fact that you fen don’t seem to get? HE IS NOT A DEMOCRAT. Ask him yourself, he’ll tell you the same thing.

      • whitroth

        Ah, you blew it. You’ve gone so far over, never responding to what I actually say, but dragging it back to your theme.

        So, tell us, are you getting paid to troll left-wing websites and blogs, or are you just the kind of asshole who, 25 years ago, would have been hanging out with the alt.syntax.tactical crowd?

  • AnnieGetYerFun

    OMG PEOPLE. What the fuck even?

  • Kym In A Can

    On this the day of my daughter’s wedding, I mean Hillary’s book, I feel the need to leave a note thanking Wonkette & the Wonketariate for all the laughs and community <3

  • Tio_Doidinho
    • jesterpunk

      I am stealing that.

      • Marceline

        I already stole it.

    • whitroth

      Or criticise Hillary, and 1,000 people will come out and find you.

      • Serai 1
      • ltmcdies

        yes they will dear and what do you intend to do about it.

      • Stulexington

        Yes, Hillary supporters are totally the ones barging onto every article that supports Bernie to trash him. And we totally forced you to read this, we took over your computer screen and wouldn’t let you leave a pro Hillary article until you had sufficiently fought free with your awesome words.

        Oh and “both sides” that finishes another line on my bingo card.

  • WilkieFahnstock

    The audacity of the Democratic National Convetional wanting to nominate a democrat and not a socialist is proof of the pure of Podesta’s Pizza Garden Parties! Proof of her never ending powerful reach… she had Ben Ghazi killed but made it look like a suicide, as if we couldn’t figure THAT one out. Not to mention, personally raping every woman Bill Clinton ever ogled.

    ////a taste of conversation with Bernie bros in the south.

    • whitroth

      Right. And FDR would fall into that category? Or LBJ? Socialists, both! (According to the GOP)

    • guest

      Bernie Bros on Facebook and other social media sites were revealed by Clint Watts to be Putin Russian Tolls.

      The Russian troll army that helped swing the election for Trump
      https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/30/1648777/-The-Russian-troll-army-that-swung-the-election-for-Trump

      • middleclassman1

        I’m far from a Russian troll

        • Anna Rompage

          Perhaps, but almost all of the points the BernieBros have used on this, and other Hillary threads, have their roots in the conservative & Russian propaganda machine…

          • middleclassman1

            Wrong again pal

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            No, it’s actually quite true. Sad really, you dullards can fully recognize it when the Trumpanzees get duped, but your arrogance makes you just as gullible as they were

        • guest

          Hmm. People who are trolling be they Russian or ones hired by the various companies operating in the US ( Carlyle Group, The Mercers, The Koch Bros etc) never admit it so what distinguishes you from them other than your say so?

    • laughatbabyboomers

      Neoliberals are not Democrats. Lol.

      Did you stop paying attention to Politics, like…. 20 years ago?

    • laughatbabyboomers

      Let me give you an example.

      REAL Democrat : supported gay rights since birth; or extremely young youth.

      Neoliberal : against gay marriage ( some time later…. (( under clear political motivation)) .. is for gay marriage!!)

      What changed?

      Their morals?

      No.

      Neoliberals are politcal wh*res; that sell out any of their values; or make up new ones on the spot!

      Now: Which catagory does Hillary Clinton belong to ?

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        Awww, I see what’s going on now. This was babby’s first election!

        • laughatbabyboomers

          Wrong again!

          damn; can you reply with a worth while response at all?

        • laughatbabyboomers

          Which catagory do you belong to?

          Surely you will not try to explain to me that acceptance of gay rights is something to be learned with age?

      • redblack

        you’ve been baited by evan, hook, line, and sinker. wonkers enjoy fighting with strident sanders supporters.

        i think you’re both being assholes by arguing about this shit.

        again.

        and again.

        and again.

        secondly, neoliberal has a specific definition. it appears that you don’t know what it is, because you keep misusing it.

        • laughatbabyboomers

          I enjoy it as well. I assure you my being has more energy and passion concerning this than all of them combined. Trolling or not; I am quite sure I got atleast a few heads scratching.

          ” specific definition” . oh? enlighten me?

          I know the definitions society currently embraces the term as :

          FAKE Liberal. outdated liberal. conservative liberal. flip floppy liberal.

          * Republican lite

          • redblack

            fail.

            neoliberal = neoconservative.

            i can see how you might not be able to make the distinction, but words *do* have meaning.

        • laughatbabyboomers

          Why; or how; could ANY real Liberal ever ally themselves with such an obvious degradation of morals?

          • redblack

            but before i go:

            i’ve been voting as a liberal union democrat for 30 years, pal. i lived through dukakis, gore, and kerry.

            i’ll live through 2016, too, and i’ll fight for a democrat in 2020.

            admittedly, it ain’t easy watching democrats ignore organized labor, and it’s even harder watching LIUNA’s president kiss donald trump’s ass.

            those things happened for a reason, and i work in my voting precinct to change those reasons.

            it’s all i can do.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          Just like all the clowns- neoliberal is just some fill in the blank term they use for anyone they disagree with- they have no fucking idea what it means, or the history behind the term

    • laughatbabyboomers

      “Ps. Do you think I’ll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta? ”

      Wonder what he was talking about?

      Wonder why his brothers house is full of pedophilia art; and grizzly murder recreations?

    • Stulexington

      My god, and how she tainted the super delegate pool by laying groundwork over 4 years and forming alliances and doing the sorts of things we’d like to see a world leader do on the world stage. And all that cheating by knowing how the rules worked in every primary was just pure establishmentism (a word I totally didn’t just make up).

    • charles freeland II

      So why even allow him to run? By your logic allowing him to run knowing he never had a chance would mean they just did it to make it look like the primary wasn’t rigged in favor of one candidate.

  • Carpe Vagenda

    And Dave Weigel, the ironic clickbait bro troll at the Washington Post — lest we forget, this is him during the ACA battle in the House when he toetouched the big post-resistance convention in Chicago —

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1f2019a15e20f626082d0d41965e8e6c7cfe43e4d6975a9bbcbae423bef91b02.jpg

    wants us to know that Hillary is the total worst and has a vagina.

    “I wish so badly we were a country where a candidate who said, ‘My story is the story of a life shaped by and devoted to the movement for women’s liberation’ would be cheered, not jeered,” she writes. “But that’s not who we are.” Her book finally takes on directly what has been muttered for years: That Clinton was often treated poorly simply because she was a woman.

    It will be up to some other woman to carry on the battle, Clinton writes. She’s done with politics. Much of “What Happened” is a meditation on powerful women, a test-run for the speeches Clinton will give for the rest of her life. “I’ve seen women CEOs serve coffee at meetings,” she writes, “women heads of state walk tissues over to a sneezing staffer.”

    But still Clinton cannot let that Comey moment go. She quotes Fox News clips, legal analysis and congressional testimony to conclude that she was wronged. She takes subtle pleasure in Comey being fired by Donald Trump six months later. She apologizes to the reader, who has to relive all of this.