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Hooray! Nice Time! Good things are happening and we are here to CELEBRATE! Elizabeth Warren, who is your hero and favorite person, has officially signed to support Bernie Sanders’ Medicare-for-All bill.

Warren made the announcement in an email to supporters, asking them to sign a petition to support the legislation, which is expected to be released Wednesday. She joins Sheldon Whitehouse and Kamala Harris, who signed on early in August.

Personally, I am taking this as a sign that Warren and Harris will share the Democratic ticket in 2020, and all of my dreams will come true.

“There is something fundamentally wrong when one of the richest and most powerful countries on the planet can’t make sure that a person can afford to see a doctor when they’re sick. This isn’t any way to live,” Warren wrote, referring to constituents she spoke to who would have been forced to choose between their children’s health and their financial security had they not had any help from the government.

She then explained the very simple and understandable concept that it is gross for people to be going bankrupt as a result of seeking medical care:

My own family plunged deep into debt when my daddy had a heart attack. My parents paid on those bills for years. Years later, as a bankruptcy law professor, I studied why working families were going broke. Through interviews and court documents, my research partners and I showed that most people who file for bankruptcy looked a lot like my family.

The overwhelming majority had once been solidly middle class – and about half had filed for bankruptcy in the aftermath of a serious medical problem. And here was the kicker: about three-quarters of them had health insurance – but it just wasn’t enough. Medical bankruptcy was crushing millions of American families.

While applauding the steps towards universal healthcare taken by President Obama’s Affordable Care Act, Warren explained that more must be done in order to ensure that this is not a thing that happens to people. Because she’s right — this is no way to live.

The good thing about the Medicare For All approach is that it’s a system we already have in place, with no need to create a new one! A system that works, and is in fact beloved by people across the political spectrum. Including, may I note, many of those Tea Partiers from the early days of the Obama administration.

Now sure, they had no idea that Medicare was a government program and was, in fact, “socialized medicine” — but they loved it nonetheless. They made so many signs!

Not a lot of “Take My Medicare, Please” signs out there, I’ll tell you that much. No one’s trying to give up their Social Security either. You wanna know something even crazier? In a lot of the crazy ass right wing forums I monitor, there are more supporters of single payer than there are otherwise. Except for the Murray Rothbard anarcho-capitalists, of course.

Single-payer has gone from being of those “pie-in-the-sky” things that progressives wanted and mainstream Democrats would say “Oh, you know, we would totally love that too, but no one’s ever going for that” to possibly being the issue that could help Democrats start winning more elections. Hell, if it’s ever implemented, and we also make it legal for the government to bargain down prices with pharmaceutical companies? They’d probably never lose another one. Not if they Republicans were trying to take it away.

People, at the end of the day, don’t want to lose their house because someone in their family got cancer. They don’t want to have to fear that, and they shouldn’t have to. It’s no way to live.

Now celebrate in the comments of your OPEN THREAD!

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  • proudgrampa

    I just want to know why Whitehouse doesn’t run for the White House.

    • Gee, Your Hair Smells Horrific

      Reminds me of the baseball player named Homer Moore.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        Or the gynecologist in my town – Dr. Finger.

        • Gee, Your Hair Smells Horrific

          My urologist was Dr. Weiner.

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            Clearly he couldn’t have chosen psychiatry as a profession.

        • OrdinaryJoe

          …or the dentist in mine, Dr. Mueller.

    • hudson

      After a couple of days of longmire, i’ve renamed everyone in the family. I’m Hudson Sleepy Bear, Wife Tennessee Pretty Flowers, Niece Sumi Fast Strokes, Nephew is Ed Long Stride and so on…

      • proudgrampa

        I loved that series!

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Because “Whitehouse spokesperson” would be ambiguous.

  • Beanz&Berryz

    Happy tears… Mostly for how she said it… I sure like good, smart, caring people in government… Empathy doesn’t make you weak or soft…

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson
  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    Liz Warren is speaking to us Democrats Abroad (via phone) this weekend. I’m squeeing all over the place.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    I am taking this as a sign that Warren and Harris will share the Democratic ticket in 2020

    Google Images is with you on that:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dd96e4a5a2d3b5b15890baddf55b36b81c64c8959d117074077e78d7f74a22ed.jpg

  • hudson

    whatever man, medicare or not somebody rid me of this demonic 2 weeks of fever. not fun.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Have you seen a doctor? That could be serious.

      • hudson

        I did last week all she said was keep hydrated. Will go again tomorrow if it does not change.

        • redarmyzombie

          Get another opinion, and possibly a different doctor.

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          I hope its not strep throat.

          • hudson

            test came negative for that.

        • blaid droog

          Get a new dr. Stat

    • Crystalclear12

      Quick check how many rabbits am I holding up?

      If you saw a rabbit go to the doctor!

    • janecita

      My brother was like that for a little over a week, the doctor couldn’t find what was wrong with him. She ordered some blood tests, and found out that he had the West Nile disease. Tell your dr to do blood tests!

      • hudson

        hmm. now you scare me.

        • janecita

          It wasn’t that bad, it went away with over the counter medication, and pain killers.

      • blaid droog

        Now that’s funny. If I had a dollar for every time one of my doctors orders a blood test, I could afford to pay for all the blood tests. I only worry when they don’t want blood work done.

  • Scooby

    Here is Donald Trump promising single payer.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6inQmf96SYQ

  • Crystalclear12

    I always loved the medicare signs. Proving ignorance can be entertaining

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Also proving that half of this country is too stupid to vote.

      • bbayliss

        Half?

  • Marceline

    Jeff Merkley signed on too. Apparently so did Cory Booker although I can’t remember when that happened.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      That’s our own Jeff…

    • Steve Cole

      Merkley might run for president.

      • Marceline

        Merkley made a fan out of me when he finished reading Coretta’s letter after Warren got silenced. It was the perfect example of how to be an ally.

      • Randall Stephens

        That candidacy would die in the womb

  • weighmaster

    Too bad nobody’s been saying we could have that if we only decided to do it for years. And, oh yeah, wrote the bill.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Now would be a good time to step to it, journalists:

    https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/907342983384662017

  • BigCSouthside

    Dear Berners from The Hillary Thread,

    See this? See what’s happening? See how two names with D after them who have been often mentioned as 2020 contenders are on board with this shit?

    Yeah. Imagine what that would be like if we had 16 uninterrupted years of the “corporatist democrats” these people call political allies in office, and not a tiny handed sexual predator who thinks vaccines cause autism.

    Fuckin awful, right?

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      We have trolls on the Hillary thread? Thought that would happen. BRB!

      • Moebym of the Returners

        Go git ’em!

        • Resistance Fighter Callyson

          That was amusing for about five minutes, but it’s good to be back in the reality-based community now.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            what me, worry just popped up.

          • Resistance Fighter Callyson

            Oh Christ–OK, I have time to go back for a minute.

    • weighmaster

      Every Bernie supporter I know voted for Hillary in the general. And I am only including real people I’ve actually met, many of whom volunteered their time and one of whom ran for (and won) a seat on her state’s electoral college (she is now running for a house seat).

      • BigCSouthside

        I know quite a few that went the ol protest vote route.

        I’m more pissed at Bernie himself and his people that turned into bomb throwers when defeat was inevitable than anyone else

        • whitroth

          a) That’s bullshit. Bernie campaigned for Hill.
          b) I was a Bernie supporter. I don’t know any Bernie supporters that didn’t vote for Hill.

          As the young woman who was a Bernie supporter, who was interviewed on Wed of the convention said, “yes, I’m upset, I waanted Bernie. But fascism is fascism, and we have to stop fascism.”

        • Smibo

          This BernieBro voted for Hillary in the general, and donated to her post-primary campaign. I’m proud of Bernie, who personified the counterweight to all the right-wing bullshit we’ve been hearing for decades. Don’t know why you’re pissed @ him.

          Though I don’t recall any actual bombs having been thrown, yeah, I’m with you re: the “bomb-throwers”. They were also the “black bloc” window smashers at OWS, the too-ready-for-violence AntiFa types at Charlottesville, and always the self-aggrandizing foil for any of the progressive ideals they claim to support. Disillusioned Rand Paul supporters, I’d guess.

          • janecita

            I’m with you. I’m really tired of all the hatred towards Bernie. I’m sorry, but moving the Democratic Party a little to the left, is a good thing.

          • Shibusa

            An ex-hippie from the 1960s friend of mine says, “Sometimes a person goes so far left, he starts coming in on the right.” I think that’s true.

          • “the too-ready-for-violence AntiFa types at Charlottesville”

            Fuck you. No Nazi was seriously hurt. Heather Heyer, the Antifa, was killed. Enough with your “both sides” victim-blaming.

          • Smibo

            Thanks for your thoughtful comment.

            All this time I thought I was a proponent of non-violent protest against injustice, and that violent actions by those ostensibly on “our side” tend to undermine the legitimacy of our protest, giving the Right-wing media opportunities to assert false equivalence. Imagine my surprise when I find that I’m just a victim-blamer, like a common Fox News anchor.

            Please feel free to block me, before I piss in your corn flakes again.

          • “violent actions by those ostensibly on “our side” tend to undermine the legitimacy of our protest,”

            So you haven’t worked it out yet – they will use ANY excuse to demonise our side. If we don’t use violence, violence will be provided by Nazi (or cop) agents provocateurs. Non-violene is a good tactic, but throwing “violent” protestors under the bus IS a Fox News propaganda trope, and just because you don’t know that doesn’t absolve you of responsibility. Any history of the Civil Rights movement would tell you that – M. L. King didn’t say that Malcolm X got what was coming to him, only sickly white liberals of the type Phil Ochs satirised did.

            Simple question: did Heather Heyer, the only fatality of violence at Charlottesville, bring it on herself?

          • Smibo

            So you haven’t worked it out yet – they will use ANY excuse to demonise our side.

            Ah, condescension; thanks for that too. Of COURSE they will use any excuse to demonize our side – that’s just what they do. But when those ostensibly on “our side” employ violent tactics, that only helps to support their case in the Court of Public Opinion (CPO). Make no mistake; if we are to make any gains at all, the CPO is where the battles must be fought.

            …throwing “violent” protestors under the bus IS a Fox News propaganda trope, and just because you don’t know that doesn’t absolve you of responsibility.

            Sorry for being too ignorant to appreciate the pearls of wisdom you are so graciously showering upon poor, undescerning me, but in my defense I feel compelled to point out that I’m not throwing the violent douchebags under the bus, I’m just asking them to get the fuck off our side (as if agent provocateurs were ever on our side to begin with).

            …did Heather Heyer, the only fatality of violence at Charlottesville, bring it on herself?

            What kind of asshole question is that? Heyer was engaged in peaceful, non-violent protest, and her violent death brought near-universal condemnation upon not only her attacker specifically, but also upon the entire cesspool of white supremacist / neo-Nazi / pro-confederate troglodytes she was protesting. Had she shown up at that counter-protest in body armor, carrying a shield and baton, what do you think the narrative would have been?

            Let me ask YOU a “simple question (or three): Were you involved in the OWS movement? How did you feel about the peeps who threw garbage cans through storefront windows, and started trash fires in the street? Do you think their actions helped to promote OWS ideas in the CPO?

            At this point though, I’m unsure if you’re even interested in engaging in an honest debate on these kinds of things, since rudeness and condescension have so far been your go-to rhetorical devices, and you seem to think you have it all figured out already. The only thing I have to add here is almost obligatory:

            You seem nice.

      • janecita

        I’m one of those Bernie supporters that happily voted for Clinton.

        • Corky Shimazu

          Me too. I know a bunch of us too.

      • spangled

        same. it’s such a shame that bernie’s loudest supporters/surrogates are the shittiest ones. you know – the bernie-or-bust type – when lots of the people who voted for him voted clinton in the end.

        • weighmaster

          I really do believe that those are a very small, though vocal, minority.

          • spangled

            Looks like about 75% of his voters voted for her. Too high to paint all Sanders supporters with a bad brush. But that 25% gives the rest of them a bad name. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fd6df9bf38cb3fb273ef490dd7223af4a0969f5ba6d4372e531311c3286a35f3.png

          • janecita

            The ones that didn’t vote at all, are the ones that really piss me off!

          • weighmaster

            Which is about as fair as all those right-wing lies and Bengazi hearings giving Hillary a bad name.

          • Msgr_MΩment

            Are those bars intentionally ordered so as to resemble someone flipping da bird?

          • Shibusa

            It makes NO sense to swing from Bernie to Trump…but I have a friend who did exactly that. Single mother, daughter of Mexican immigrants, vote for Bamz twice. She phone-banked for Trump and everything. She watches only FNC to get her “news” so she thinks Trump is doing a great job.

        • TJ Barke

          The loudest kind are russian trolls sowing division.

          • weighmaster

            I am inclined to believe there was a lot of that.

      • SomeBigRedDog

        Every Bernie supporter I know voted for her too. (I think) But they, for the most part, would also not shut the fuck up about what how awful they thought she was and what a goddamn burden it was to vote for her and how unfair it was that she won the nomination, etc, etc, etc.

        • weighmaster

          I don’t know any Bernie supporters who ever thought that that was any more than a 30-year right wing smear campaign.

          • Arolpin

            Then you don’t know the same Bernie supports as I do. I even know a Bernie supporter who I am sure voted for Drumpf (but he’s a Russian immigrant, and all the Russian immigrants I know voted from Drumpf for some stupid reason).

          • weighmaster

            I didn’t claim they don’t exist, but it is very hard to believe that they exist in sufficient numbers to blame Bernie supporters for Hillary losing an election that she won by 3 million votes, and to therefore spew vitriol at Bernie himself and the rest of us (75% if the graph below is accurate) who voted for her in the general.

        • janecita

          I wasn’t a Hillary fan, but Trump made me truly adore the woman.

          • weighmaster

            I actually was a Hillary fan, I voted for her in the ’08 primaries, I supported Bernie this time because I didn’t see any reason that universal health care should be a pie-in-the-sky pipe dream when so many other countries have it.

    • Marceline

      Not just the Hillary thread.

      These motherfuckers are still in the Kamala Harris thread from 3 days ago. #BernersAintBright

  • Democrats are always pandering for votes by not trying to outright murder their constituents.

  • Jennifer R
    • hendenburg2

      I feel like I’m missing something?

      • Jennifer R
        • hendenburg2

          Yeah, that really is fucked up

          • Jennifer R

            (I mean I usually leave my girlfriends with physical orgasms but trans culture is laughing at trans culture jokes)

        • janecita

          That’s kind of a sad observation:-(

    • Angela Ruzzo

      Is this similar to the way I feel when I am around a bunch of kittens?

      • Jennifer R

        Yes.
        Also a lot of transwomen seem to meow.

    • Jamoche

      That’s… different from other kawaii anime how?

  • memzilla Ω
    • DerrickWildcat

      The sanctity of marriage.

    • SayItWithWookies

      So all the women trying to catch the bouquet ended up with a face full of confectioner’s sugar?

    • Shibusa

      “Flowers?? I’ll do you one batter!”

    • OneYieldRegular

      This story is ripe for so much innuendo that I’m not even going to attempt a comment.

  • Blackest Noobs

    single payer mofos…let’s get on it!!!!

    pretty much everyone else has it ( other countries) and the sky has not falling and their countries are not burning to the ground.

    get with it Dems, we want this, you want this, let’s get what we fucking want.

    • Randall Stephens

      Hard pass if it sends up being anything like the DMV….

      • Christopher Story

        As apposed to nothing at all?

      • Shockingly, it is nothing like the DMV. Like, why the fuck would anyone think that t is?

        • clubseal

          Because he’s only here to troll and chew bubble gum, and he’s all out of bubble gum.

          • Randall Stephens

            Or talk to other people?

          • clubseal

            Life’s a bitch, and she’s in heat.
            Sorry, I wanted to do another They Live reference, and couldn’t find one in context.

          • Randall Stephens

            With Rowdy Roddy Piper?

          • clubseal

            Yes. I feel like I should be ashamed that I like it, but I don’t.

          • Randall Stephens

            It’s meant to entertain. No shame

          • Christopher Story

            If you want to talk, you open with a question, or at least a joke. Oh wait, nevermind.

        • Randall Stephens

          Do you live someplace with universal health insurance?

          • Nockular cavity

            Not now, but I did live in Canada for a few years, and healthcare was nothing like the DMV. It was like…going to the doctor, for chrissake.

          • janecita

            I did lived in two places with universal health insurance. You just made an appointment, and went to the doctor. There weren’t any crazy DMV kind of lines.

          • Arolpin

            Hell, I used to have Universal Health Insurance in the US. Because I was in the military. You schedule an appointment, you go to the Dr, they do what they do, you walk out. No bills, no insurance, nothing. Yes, you had to wait, kind of like have you have to wait to get an appointment with your primary care physician to get a referral to see a specialist, then you have to wait weeks or months to get an appointment to see the specialist, but you better make sure your insurance approves it before the appointment, then you end up paying thousands of dollars because your specialist isn’t in your network, so they only cover 50%, but when it’s a cancer diagnosis, you pay the fucking money. Oh, wait, it was nothing like that, you just go to sickcall for basic stuff, and if you have more than a mild bug, they send you right in to see whomever you needed to see.
            Honestly, other than bootcamp, the wait to see a doctor in the military was probably less than the wait in the mess line (assuming there wasn’t an entire unit getting pre-deployment physicals).

          • Yes. I’m Canadian.

      • marxalot

        I’m a grown adult raised in the USA and I have never had an interaction with the DMV (at all, in point of fact, it’s the DPS where I’m from, but I’ll play along) which has been more unpleasant than “tedious.” Lemme tell you! I’d trade every health insurance interaction I’ve ever had for good old “tedious.”

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          ayup.

        • Msgr_MΩment

          I go to the DMV for all my abortion needs. In and out, with a minimum of hassle.

        • Arolpin

          You can tell these idiots don’t interact haven’t interacted with the DMV since Reagan was pre-senile. I’ve had two physical interactions with the DMV in the past 8 years. I had to register my cars when I moved to this state, which did take about 90 minutes, just as the ‘estimated wait time’ sign indicated it would. Then I had to renew my license because it expired during the recovery from Sandy, and that time took me about 15 minutes. Every other interaction I have with the DMV is done either on-line or via USPS.
          I just re-registered my cars yesterday, it took me more time to find a stamp than it did to fill out the paperwork. Sometime next week I will get updated registration in the mail, and I won’t think about the DMV for another year. My wife is right now spending more time than that trying to return a $30 belt that Macys tagged with the wrong size, but the invisible hand never makes a mistake.

      • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

        Unlike the DMV, no one “goes in” to their health insurance company to complete a transaction. We call them. And spend 10, 20, 40 minutes in a call queue.

        Back when Pixelz Jr was in the womb, I had a screaming, shouting argument with Rebecca (I still remember her name) at my employer health insurance company who claimed my wife’s pregnancy was not covered as a pre-existing condition. Love ’em or hate ’em, but I’ve never had to discuss menstrual cycle dates with the DMV.

        • Randall Stephens

          Fair point

  • spangled
    • Nockular cavity

      RISE, MILLIBARS, RISE! Or something.

  • Christopher Story

    My girl and I are very down with a Harris/Warren ticket.

    • Randall Stephens

      Oh lord

    • janecita

      Warren/Harris
      Thank you very much:-)

      • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

        Either way we get to elect a woman president … again.

        • mailman27

          And (hopefully) the voters will come roaring back. No snark.

      • Christopher Story

        They can take turns! Warren gets it for the first eight so she can kick ass on the economic issues; wall street reform; living wages; Medicare for all. Then give it to Harris for focus on domestic issues; infrastructure, education, renewable energy, for another eight.

  • memzilla Ω
    • SomeBigRedDog

      MUTANT CATS!

      • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

        MEWTANT CATS!

        ….fify…

        • Painter of Goats

          I often call my kittehs “mewtants”.

      • Shibusa

        Losing them would have been cat-astrophic.

        • SomeBigRedDog

          DON’T EVEN START!

    • whitroth

      *phew*

    • Edith Prickly

      I lived with a six-toed cat for a few years. He looked like he had thumbs.

      • Jamoche

        Thumbs? You know it’s only a matter of time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV6amtUm0Q8

        • SomeBigRedDog

          FUCK THAT’S A NIGHTMARE

      • SomeBigRedDog

        Cats with thumbs are the first sign of the apocalypse.

      • aureolaborealis

        Mine looks like he’s wearing boxing gloves.

    • Joe Beese

      In the original novel of The Silence of the Lambs, Hannibal Lector has “the rarest form of polydactyly” – a duplicated middle finger – because he’s just that special.

    • aureolaborealis

      I’ve had several polydactyl cats over the years (including now), and they are the most delightfully whorish cats a person could want. Body of a cat – personality of a dog.

  • Indiepalin

    Health insurance should be sold across state lines, like firecrackers and hashish.

  • whitroth

    No, no. We don’t want Harris and Warren on the ticket. For one thing, Warren has said, all along, that she can do more where she is.

    And I hate to say this, but realpolitik: the US is just not going to elect an all-woman ticket. You can piss and moan all you want, but not 2020.

    And PLEASE, SOMEONE UNDER 60!!!!!! (I’m well over 60, and I assure you, someone over 60 really doesn’t have the stamina to be on call 24×365.25. Think W and Cheney. Or Obama & Biden. Or, for that matter, JFK & LBJ. Make the #2 spot someone that they *really* don’t want in with a Mandate, if #1 is assassinated.

    AND GODDAMN IT DEMS, PANDER TO YOUR BASE, you fools.

    • SayItWithWookies

      ‘Scuse me, but if a black man can win in 2008 and legalize gay marriage and give us affordable healthcare, then I’m not gonna say two women won’t make a viable ticket. The idea that everything has to be balanced out with an old conservative white man is over.

      • whitroth

        A black man… with a white guy as #2.

        • SomeBigRedDog

          OH WELL GOOD THING JOE BIDEN ALLOWED OBAMA TO BE ELECTED.

    • SomeBigRedDog

      Well with that attitude is guarafuckingteed not to happen

      • whitroth

        Put the purity test aside. I wouldn’t mind having the two of them… but the biggest hurdle, like getting Obama in, is getting one in. Then you go for both.

        And we CANNOT afford, America CAN NOT afford to lose, either next year, or in 2020. The GOP are all the was to oligarchic fascism (except for the seditious neoConfederate “Freedom” Caucus). We HAVE TO STOP THEM>

        • SomeBigRedDog

          It’s not a purity test. If I happened to think a white dude was the best candidate I would have no problem voting for him. But to make the assumption that a white dude has to be attached to every advancement is buying in to the same patriarchy that has held us back up to now and I, for one, have had enough of it.

          Dems need to pick the best candidates period and stop triangulating in order to pick up some mythical “centrist” voters that don’t exist or don’t fucking care.

    • Marceline

      This is why Harris would make an excellent VP choice.

  • clubseal

    Harris/Warren sounds like a dream ticket. I wouldn’t look forward to all of the right wing nonsense about “Commiefornia” and how Harris was whatever is bad from California in the months leading up to the election, however.

    • Ricky Gay

      Not to mention their synchronized menstrual cycles!!!!11!

  • Msgr_MΩment

    “You got peanut butter on my Medicare!”
    “Yeah, buddy, well YOU got Medicare on my peanut butter!”

  • Marceline

    “Elizabeth Warren, who is your hero and favorite person…”

    Not quite. I like her but I’ve been side-eyeing her after she threw shade at Obama for his speaking fees. I’m not here for another round of purity bullshit and toxic white progressivism.

    • altleftjohn

      Bourgeois revisionist!

    • jowgajen

      I don’t get the speaking fees thing either. But I think Warren is too savvy to fall to purity politics. Her record has actual legislation beneficial to consumers in it. She may look to the Berners as a logical constituency to here single minded goal of reforming our financial system. I also don’t think she will run for president.

      • Marceline

        I hope she doesn’t run. Mainly because I really want the left to get out of the habit of focusing on the White House at the expense of Congress.

        Personally, I’m refusing to get pulled into conversations about 2020. Staying in campaign mode keeps people from focusing on downballot races. I have a mayoral primary to vote in tomorrow and a bunch of ballot initiatives in November. I’m keeping my eyes on what’s in front of me. I just hope we’re all still alive in 2020.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Woo hoo! I passed the Casualty part of the State insurance exam. Starting studying for the Property test, than Life.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      That actuarly sounds terrific!

    • WeaselPoo

      Bravo.

    • schmannity

      You’re in good hands with Allstate and small hands with Trump.

    • therblig

      cool. is pleasuring Flo still part of the final? it’s a shame they had to let Erin Esurance go.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b6e998a41dbc90d89b733207a37bd09f0ae01b8aaf371e21960d165959927aeb.png

      • Christopher Story

        But the Geico Cavemen got their own show. It bombed terribly, but still…

        • Arolpin

          Of course they got their own show, they are CaveMEN. It bombed because women reasons.

        • Nick Kroll’s first TV gig.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      congrats!

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      You’re dead?

    • ContextIsKey

      I took the Life test and failed miserably. There it is, I failed at life.

    • Painter of Goats

      Bueno!

    • OneYieldRegular

      Is there a Wonketeer discount like there is for AARP?

      • Mr. Blobfish

        I’m sure all rates are set but by computer models, but I promise superior service.

  • marxalot

    Help me get through the next two and a half hours. My brain is proving Highly Resistant to anything besides reading non-work-related essays and poems.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Sorry, we’re not so good at cracking the ol’ whip and sending people back to the salt mines.

      • marxalot

        Don’t tell me to get back to work– gimme reading suggestions. I’m halfway through June Jordan’s On Call and I’ve got an ebook of Sarah Schulman’s Conflict is not Abuse open in the other tab.

        • hudson

          if you find anything please let me know. i can use an english section to my library. i’m so bored i’m reading dated geology text in my language.

    • hudson

      read das capital and poems written under lenin’s hammer.

    • altleftjohn

      When I was a dogsbody at Evil Incarnate, LLC I used to waste my employer’s time by drawing silly cartoons and fake memos satirizing the asshole lawyers we had to work with.

  • Angela Ruzzo

    When my mother had a massive stroke in 1973, the only thing that put food on the table and paid the utility bills for me and my dad for the next 6 months was my $2000 college savings fund. Luckily for us, our house was paid for. If she hadn’t been a service-connected disabled veteran who qualified for free care for the next 20 years, my father would have had to declare bankruptcy, or else let her die. Having to worry about paying bills at the same time that you are worrying about your wife/mother dying is unacceptable.

  • schmannity

    Warren/Harris 2020. The Bloodletting.

    • Randall Stephens

      I don’t think we’re there yet.

      • schmannity

        There? It’s “wherever.”

        • Randall Stephens

          I think there’s a good shot for a woman at the top of a ticket. Two women, I’m not sure. Lots of progress made, still work to be done.

          • jowgajen

            Who besides their home state and pundits actually gives a fuck who the VP is?

          • Daniel

            …given who the latest one is, quite a lot of LGBTQ people?

          • jowgajen

            As an L and vagina haver, I don’t see the Orange one as any less dangerous.

            Also too, pence will never be president.

          • Daniel

            I see him as slightly less dangerous through his grotesque incompetence, but I take your point.

          • jowgajen

            Trumpet will push any one under the bus for votes, laughs, money, or pussy.

          • Daniel

            Pence will do it for nothing.

            Trump is terrible and so is Pence is my point.

      • spangled

        randall my friend, I don’t want to crack or break the glass ceiling…i want to pulverize that motherfucker!

        • Randall Stephens

          It will happen.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          Did you know that sodium hydroxide (drain cleaner) will dissolve glass? This could be an attractive alternative to pulverizing.

      • SomeBigRedDog

        “I don’t think I’m there yet.”

        FIFY

        • Randall Stephens

          Thank you for dictating to me what I think….

          • SomeBigRedDog

            You’re very welcome.

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      It will give us a chance to elect a woman president … again.

  • TJ Barke
  • Thiazin Red

    I finally got to meet up with my D&D group and its kind of a unique situation in that most of our characters don’t actually give a shit about being heroes and are mostly trying to avoid being arrested/killed. Three of us were framed for murder and escaped by stealing a royal guard uniform. The only reason we’ve kept up the pretense is that we met up with one of the other players whose character is a real guard. So we’ve been lying to him the entire time. Hes a good guy and we don’t want to get him in trouble or kill him, so we’re trapped heroing.

    We’ve decided to lean into the premise and just be terrible at it. We don’t go out of our way to be dicks, but we’ll hypnotize people to speed things up and aren’t super motivated to stop the mage war we accidentally started.

    • TJ Barke

      That’s awesome.

    • marxalot

      Reminds me of the time we shoved a guard in a barrel to get him out of the way and just let him die there, then went back to the town to collect our reward for whatever. When people asked what happened to NPC 1 we were like, uhhhh, he perished honorably? Started a new life two towns over? Anything but “we shoved him in a barrel and allowed him to suffocate.”

      • Thiazin Red

        When we finally got to the magic tower we were trying to reach, there was a massive battle going on inside. We decided to just wait by the door and let it play out, and mop up whatever was left. We could have prevented it from happening, but the one guy was a real dick to me, so fuck them.

    • My current group has a bunch of first timers who haven’t ever RP’d before, it leads to some funny moments (our ranger inadvertently sexually assaulting a kobold for example…)

      • whitroth

        Yeah, well, once campaign I was in, back in the early eighties, turned into a men’s consciousness raising. The two 18 yr old guys got it, the 40 yr old guy, who’s 16 yr old was also in the game, didn’t get it.

    • proudgrampa

      Uh. Do you ever get reality mixed up???

    • whitroth

      I had a character, back when I used to dungeon, who, given his strength and constitution, I decided was Orthodox Coward….

  • Jamoche
    • Randall Stephens

      Gotta admit. It was funny. I especially liked the motorized podium

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        That was a rare stroke of genius for SNL.

  • OneYieldRegular

    Wait, open thread already? Where’s the post about everybody being terminally stoned?

    Or is this it?

    • jesterpunk

      Isnt that the Alex Jones thread?

      • OneYieldRegular

        Stoned is stoned. Binged out on meth and Diet Coke is binged out on meth and Diet Coke.

    • Jennifer R

      That is whatever thread I am posting in.

    • Jamoche
    • bbayliss

      What were we talking about, again?

  • Johnny Appleseed

    “This isn’t any way to live,” Warren wrote. Many don’t live, for long.

  • Iron Monkey

    I for one will welcome our single payer overlords and anticipate Elizabeth Warren imposing the yoke of quality health care on all Americans.

  • what, me worry?

    This is the same Wonkette that was all #I’mWithHer, she who opposed medicare for all?

    • Jamoche

      Ah, a use for the “Plonk for impersonation” button.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      for the thousandth time, it was opposed (over the ACA) because it wasn’t fucking feasible.

      Still isn’t – nice to see, yes. But won’t pass in this congress, with this president. Which was her point.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        yup- dumbshit here is just being dishonest again. She never said she opposed the concept of universal healthcare. HELLO! She championed a version of it back in 1994. What she said was that it would never happen with this Congress- which it won’t.

    • jesterpunk
      • Résistance Land Shark Ω

        Wow! Brolly Bunny out of the chute early!

    • Daniel

      You’re right! Opinions don’t change ever! GOTCHAS WIN AGAIN!

    • SayItWithWookies

      It’s entirely possible for two different healthcare bills to each be the plan that gives the most people the most comprehensive healthcare that will pass both houses and get signed by the president. So to answer your question — yes, and it’s perfectly consistent with having general wellbeing as a goal.

    • Bananas Foster

      Strangely enough, I care about more than one issue.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      Funny now thinking it wasn’t politically possible is different from actually opposing it in practice.

      I don’t think this is a difficult concept, but here you are.

    • Christopher Story

      Yes, her policy was incremental improvements. Still better than blowing up the system for a billion dollar blowjob to the billionares

  • Moebym of the Returners

    It’s now an agonizing waiting game, because I’ve already done all I could. And time is quickly running out…

  • Résistance Land Shark Ω
  • Villago Delenda Est

    I love the idea of universal health care…it’s just getting to it that worries me. So many people who have very legit reasons (like their jerbs) to oppose it, or to muck up the process.

    It’s going to take legislative and policy savvy to make it work…and Bernie’s not your man for that. Senator Warren, OTOH, has a knack for taking very complex things and explaining them so even receptive 4 year olds (this excludes Donald, of course) can grasp them.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      i still don’t see how we get there considering the anti-ACA crowd was so vocal.

      Maybe they’ve learned its benefits? Maybe times have changed. Here’s hoping, but I don’t see it happening anytie soon.

      • Angela Ruzzo

        I have discussed this with several of my redneck idiot neighbors, and when I explain to them that they would not have health insurance deductions on their paychecks, or office copays, they suddenly think it’s a great idea, because more money in their paycheck every month means they can buy that Camaro they want but can’t afford the payments on. I don’t tell them they would then have to pay for Part B and Part D and a Supplement. Why ruin it for them?

      • Jamoche

        The anti-ACA crowd is also the “keep the govt out of my Medicare” crowd. Give it a totally different name to bypass their “hate anything Obama” did reflex, and you’ve pretty much won them over.

      • SomeBigRedDog

        A black guy came up with the ACA so they HAD to be against it. Also a secrit mooslim.

      • Arolpin

        First thing is to give people the option to buy into Medicare/Medicaid. Figure out the per-enrollee cost, have them pay that (or more likely a bit slightly below that, because in both instance the average person joining is going to be cheaper to cover than the average current enrollee).
        As more (relatively healthy) people sign up, the cost per enrollee will eventually come down. If 25% of those who buy their own insurance moved to buying Medicaid, you would see private insurers cutting jobs, but then Medicaid would probably end up hiring about the same number of workers, though I’m sure a bunch of highly-paid executives would eventually be out of a job (won’t someone think of the highly-paid executives?!).
        It would take probably a generation, and there would need to be tweaks, especially to how much Medicaid pays for each procedure, but I suspect that we could get it balance where the payments to providers are pretty much the same as with private insurance, but the cost per enrollee stays lower, because of fewer highly-paid executives and no need to make more than you spend.
        Eventually we will end up with everyone on Medicaid and supplemental private insurance for those who can afford it to chose a particular doctor who doesn’t take Medicaid or something. Yes, it will be a two-tiered system, but at least the lower-tier will be ‘healthcare’ rather than ‘die in a gutter’.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          i was r eferring to politically – but there’s much to be said for how it will happen pratically as well.

          • Arolpin

            The way to make it work politically is to just allow people to buy in at slightly more than the per enrollee cost for now. It has to be pushed as a fiscally conservative thing to do.
            Currently we spend ~$12,600 per enrollee per year. I suspect that for young, healthy people it’s less than half that. I think the ACA still limits the most expensive coverage in a plan to be no more than 3 times the cheapest (among similar plans, just talking about extra costs for age etc), so that means you could enroll someone young and healthy for about $350/month, but let’s set it at $400. I bet you could get 25% of young people buying on the open market to jump at that, and once they’re in, they’ll probably stay in the system for life (and add supplemental coverage when they have kids and want more flexibility or whatever). The trick is to charge healthy people overall a bit more than it costs to cover them, and then use the excess to improve the system, increase payments to providers, etc.
            Just give people the option to enroll and pay their way, say how it’s strengthening the system, how it’s going to allow us to either give everyone more coverage or lower costs, it will improve the deficit, it will wax your floor, whatever. Don’t fall into the trap of making the perfect be the enemy of the good, get it going, and improve it as needed.
            Honestly, the right solution is a complete government takeover of healthcare, spread over 25-30 years. It would have to involve loan forgiveness for accepting Medicaid patients, government subsidized medical school, incentives to work in under-served areas, further incentives to remain in under-served areas after your initial obligation is completed, etc, etc. It’s entirely too big a lift, and people think if we just keep working we’ll eventually get strong enough to do that lift. No matter how perfect the plan is, Milo of Croton was a myth, and lifting a calf everyday will not allow you to lift it once it’s a bull. Now if you had a lever, and a fulcrum…..which is what the incremental approach is doing, little effort, bigger result.

    • Rags

      And branding. That, for me, is the best argument for pushing “medicare for all” as an umbrella term for expanding health care coverage. It simple, everyone (thinks) they know what it is, and almost everyone has an oldz on it who can tell them at a minimum that it’s “not too bad.”

    • NotALiar

      I think Bernie will do a fine job. Boomers are about to all be retired and he can do a great job getting younger workers on board. Also the job market could end up being very different if people don’t have to take certain jobs because they need healthcare.

  • Juan de Fuca

    There is something fundamentally wrong when one of the richest and most powerful countries on the planet can’t make sure that a person can afford to see a doctor when they’re sick. This isn’t any way to live,

    You wanna know how screwed up our healthcare system is in America? A few months ago, I worked with an engineer from the U.K. who was right of center on a lot of issues. He’s also a Brexit supporter because of immigration problems in the U.K., etc.

    Even he told me that he doesn’t understand how America doesn’t have a universal health coverage system in 2017.

    • Jamoche

      A surprising amount of stupid decisions boil down to “if it’s free/cheap, we have to let the blah people use it too.”

      • marxalot

        Some people legitimately believe that in order for a thing to be of value, it must be denied to some people, and that a public good is actively diminished by being available to too many people.
        They also think they marriage equality devalues their straight marriages, as if the three affairs and the substance abuse wasn’t enough.

    • Angela Ruzzo

      The answer is Reagan and Unregulated Capitalism, i.e. Republicans and corporate greed.

      • Juan de Fuca

        That’s it, almost exactly. I have (had) a friend who is a rich owner of an insurance company here on the west coast. He owns three homes in very desirable locations. The guy was progressive on just about every single social issue but we lost touch after I defended Hillary re. healthcare costs in America and the guy took it personally. He would never stop going on about how Hillary was trying to destroy healthcare as we know it in America. Because it affected his bottom line, I assume. It’s greed.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          You are right. Health care is one of the many BIG weaknesses in the “trickle-down” economic theory. Maybe a little bit of corporate profit might sometimes trickle down to ordinary people now and then, but as soon as they get sick that little bit vanishes overnight.

          • Juan de Fuca

            It’s like a drug, isn’t it? It’s why I swear that if I ever win this Powerball thing, I’m keeping enough for a decent home in LaJolla, enough to carry us through an otherwise middle class existence, something to leave for Miss De Fuca after we’re gone and donating the rest. I don’t want anything to do with the money after that. At least that’s what I tell myself.

          • Angela Ruzzo

            Yes, too much money can ruin your life. I know exactly what I would do if I won Powerball, and I have researched it thoroughly. I would set up a non-profit charitable trust, select my nephew and nieces as unpaid board members, appoint myself the Managing Director at a salary of about $150,000/year, set up the headquarters on the Spanish Riviera or a Caribbean island so we could have meetings somewhere really nice, and start giving the money away to other non-profits of my choice that I think are trying to make the world a better place. There is great joy in giving money away. If one won $500 million, the interest would be around $30 million a year, so you could just give away the interest and let the capital sit there to fund the charity for decades to come. This would be so cool. . .I fantasize about it.

          • Juan de Fuca

            You’ve obviously got this thing planned out a lot better than I do but I like your idea. After I win the CA MegaMillions lottery tomorrow night, hope you won’t mind if I suddenly announce a charitable trust on the Spanish Riviera with nephews and nieces as unpaid board members. Actually, I would also probably include my sister-in-law, because she’s cool.

          • Angela Ruzzo

            Be my guest! The best part of my idea is that if you claim the lotto money in the name of a non-profit charitable trust, they don’t withhold taxes, so you get more $$. This is one way that filthy rich people avoid paying taxes – they shelter $$ in a charitable trust, and they put their homes and yachts and private planes and collected artwork and such like in the name of the trust. Trump does this all the time. Of course, you need a really good trust and tax law firm.

            I read a good article on the first things one should do after winning the lotto, and they were, in this order 1) change your phone number, make it unlisted, and don’t give it to ANYONE 2) go away on vacation for 2 weeks and don’t tell ANYONE where, and just relax and think about what you want to do before you make any irrevocable decisions and 3) get a good trust and tax attorney.

            I can’t put my sister on the Board because she would give all the money away to left-wing Latin American revolutionary groups.

          • Arolpin

            I have decided that I will also set up charities to fund research into issues important to me, including gun laws. I will allow anyone to apply for the grants, but if they are awarded a grant, they must submit their papers for peer review and publish them in a reputable journal (a list of accepted reputable journals will be provided before they accept the grant). If they aren’t published (because it fails peer review or the results contradict their worldview), the grantees have to pay the money back.

            I would love to see a bunch of RWNJ ammosexuals when they realize that they either have to admit that gun laws work, or pay all the money back out of pocket. Which I will then use to offer more grants to more people doing research proving that gun laws work.
            I will also buy a 1991 20V Audi Quattro Turbo Coupe and a lot more snowboards, because I’m spoiled.

          • Angela Ruzzo

            Go for it! This would be fun! I would personally like to have this house in Yorkshire with the castle in the back yard. Maybe the Trust could buy it and have project development retreats there? The castle is a living example of the violence inherent in the system, and would provide historical context and motivation for selecting the right applicants.
            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4836418/Estate-remains-King-Richard-III-s-castle-1-1m.html

          • Arolpin

            That house is lovely, and someone with lottery winnings should buy it and maintain the old castle too. If I don’t win the lottery, you should. :)

          • Angela Ruzzo

            I intend to, and then I will buy a private jet and fly all my friends over to par-TEE in the castle ruins. Joy, joy. . .gotta go buy a ticket.

  • Picabo

    Checking in from Savannah. Irma is gone. No flooding where I live. Power is still on. Marion posted this morning. She’s OK.
    Keeping track of Jose. Saving all the bottled water and dry food for what may be the next round.

    • WIlmington Island east to Tybee was almost completely underwater for a while today. Tybee looked about waist deep all over. River Street flooded almost up to Bay Street!

      Glad all the Savannah gang are OK!

  • Raan

    So, we’re back home in our somehow virtually untouched house. But now there’s no power.

    • Wolf Tracker

      Do you have a car? Go buy a cheap 110 volt inverter and plug it into the car lighter.

      It will run small gadgets and cheaper than generator.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        that is good advice- buy a decent one

    • Angela Ruzzo

      When I evacuated from Louisiana before Hurricane Gustav, I went to Missouri to stay with relatives and I bought a small second-hand generator and took it back to Louisiana. Of course it had to sit on the carport, secured with a chain bigger than my arm, because I didn’t have a garage to store it in. And one week later someone stole it right off the carport at 2 am using some pretty serious bolt cutters. I heard them doing it, but I wasn’t about to go out there alone at 2 am and confront 3 white guys in a pickup truck. So if you decide to buy a generator (assuming you can find one) be careful where you store it.

    • OutOfOrbit

      oh poor baby

      • NotALiar

        That doesn’t seem very nice

    • Meccalopolis

      And your stuff is dry?

      • Raan

        Yup. We’re in a mobile home and we’re well inland, so the wind was the biggest threat.

        And I’m proud to say that the awning I tied down didn’t move an inch.

        • Meccalopolis

          Right on!

  • CO
    • Daniel

      If they don’t say the magic words, nothing happens! WHAT A BUNCH OF CUCKING CUCKS!

      • weejee
    • NotALiar

      I never knew Dickhead had such pointy ears.

      • Bitter Scribe

        You’re fooled by how his orange locks waft over the tips.

  • spangled

    Why does Ed Gillespie keep showing me ads of him parking a car?

    His message seems to be, “my dad didn’t go to college and I know how to park a car, therefore I am a #realbluecollarmerican”. This dipshit is an absolute void of charisma.

    • Angela Ruzzo

      I thought the whole point of America was that one’s dad was a blue collar worker, but he worked real hard and pulled himself up by his bootstraps so his kids could go to college and become white collar workers. Isn’t that part of the mythology?

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        Only white blue collar Americans are real Americans with real values now.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          Funny how things change. My grandparent’s main goal in life was to see their children get an education so they didn’t have to work in the coal mines. The day my mother graduated from nursing school, my illiterate coal-shovelling grandfather was the proudest man in Brooklyn and he walked around the neighborhood handing out cigars and buying drinks.

  • Rags
    • Bitter Scribe

      So? What right do Americans have not to go bankrupt? Better that nine-tenths of the country go bankrupt than that a single rich person pay a single dollar more in taxes.

    • Charon_69

      hadn’t seen that graph before; I knew it was a substantial decrease but half? I feel like that should be in the corner of the screen every time it’s being discussed on a network; 750,000 is a substantial number of votes

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      It kinda starts at the peak of the Dubya/Republican Recession, so graph may reflect the Obama Economic Miracle more than the ACA.

    • Arolpin

      I’m sure that a LOT of that decrease is due to the ACA, but if we are going to use this we have to figure out how much of that decrease is due to changes in the bankruptcy laws enacted in 2005, and how much of that decrease is due to the recession (it looks like bankruptcies peaked about 12-18 months after the worst of the recession, which makes sense, because it takes a while of being out of work and unable to pay your bills before bankruptcy becomes a viable alternative).
      I like the graph, and with proper context I would like to see it on every D political ad that mentions the ACA, but we need to figure out how the RW noise-machine is going to try and refute it before we use it.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸
    • Wolf Tracker

      Hell no!

    • marxalot

      In fact, a pardon is based on the admission of guilt. That is actually what a pardon is: saying “you did it, but it’s cool, no jail for you.”

    • Angela Ruzzo

      What’s the point? Like everyone on the planet doesn’t know he was found guilty.

    • bubbuhh

      They wuz only messikans after all…or they looked like messikans witch iz jus az bad.

    • jowgajen

      That’s not how this works.

    • Ellie

      For those of us possessing a heart and a conscience, there will never be an erasure of his guilt – and the same goes for Arpaio.

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      No pardons for Dreamers of course.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Trump’s Justice Department continues to show the same level of competence at the law as Wally West.

  • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

    again, idjits who think like this are in the way of universal health care (p.s. When you’ve lost Stuart Varney, woo-boy.):

    Judge Napolitano told Stuart Varney that only each individual state should handle natural disaster aid only because relief aid by the federal government turns Americans “into socialists.”

    This is the Randian version of politics that says if a state like Florida can’t help themselves out of the horrific damage hurricanes cause then let think sink and cease to exist.

    Judge Napolitano joined Stuart Varney on FBN’s Varney & Co., and complained that Jeff Sessions and the DOJ was acting very badly for not indicting Hillary and Lois Lerner.

    Then the topic turned to Hurricane Irma.

    Most professional conservative and libertarian pundits proclaim that the federal government has no role whatsoever in our lives and the states should handle their own business no matter what. On economic issues, Varney sides with this philosophy.

    But not on natural disasters.

    Varney asked, “I have to ask about the correct role of government.”

    “Look, it’s a natural disaster. It’s got nothing to do with politics. It strikes from the outside so to speak. Surely, we need an outside organization, namely, government to organize our to rescue citizens, what’s wrong with that?”

    Napolitano said, “So when a natural disaster strikes, we all become socialists.”

    “Come on,” Varney replied.

    Nap continued, “Want the government to take care of us and for the future to pay the bill.”

    Napolitano is a standard issue libertarian who believes the states should be completely independent of the feds.

    Varney, “Are you saying the government has no role to organize the national guard to rescue people?

    Napolitano, “No, I’m saying this should be done by the states and not the constitutional government —

    Varney, “what’s the difference?” [laughter]

    Napolitano, “If the federal government starts to give away goodies, people rely on that, and then the constitution means nothing.”

    http://crooksandliars.com/2017/09/judge-napolitano-giving-federal-aid

    • marxalot

      The whole purpose behind Federalism is that the several states are better off with a Federal gov’t to organize things which affect both the states individually and in groups. What the Hell?

    • The “constitution” that you are citing exists only in your tiny, tiny brain there Judge.

      • tomamitai

        I think he’s confusing the confederate constitution with the winner’s Constitution.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      lolwut? How do the goobers in those states continue to vote GOP when the explicit intent of the GOP is to fuck them over at every opportunity?

      Looking at you, Florida and Texas Republicans…

    • Rags

      Why should us folks in Escambia county, way up in the Panhandle, be expected to pay for those South Florida furriners’ bad choices?

  • Nounverb911
    • Ellie

      I love Borowitz!

  • janecita

    For those of you that didn’t see it, I’m posting the Havana video again. My poor peeps are swimming in the streets.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N4kUuE6QxDU

  • marxalot

    Anybody heard from BadKitty?

    • weejee

      Yep – posted earlier & seems to have weathered the storm.

  • bubbuhh

    Medicare – the devil’s candy of old right wing fartsnobs

  • Nounverb911

    How to insult your friends and frenimies without them knowing it.

    https://twitter.com/MerriamWebster/status/907350780323270656

  • DainBramage
    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      Very funny. As if Trump has any interest in finally setting foot on a college campus. He didn’t even show up at Trump University.

      • DainBramage

        But he might want to tour some women’s locker rooms.

    • BouncyFlyer

      And she is coming to -my- campus on Thursday. I hope that I’m not dragged off from my desk and beaten cause “terrierist lib”.

  • Ellie

    My name is on that petition, because I think it’s right, and also because I’m still in love with Elizabeth Warren, and have been since the first time I heard her speak. She was the first politician to whom I ever donated – in all my many centuries, and she has not yet disappointed me. Medicare for all makes sense to me – or some form of single payer. It’d be nice for the US to have the same access to health care as most of the “civilized world.”

    • CripesAmighty

      It’d be nice for the US to join the civilized world. Period.

      • clubseal

        Speaking of periods and healthcare, there’s a bill under consideration in California that would require schools that serve high poverty populations to have menstrual products available at no cost to students, and of course more than one commenter on the story about it mentioned communism or socialism.

        • Daniel

          Which is weird given how clearly red that programme is.

          • clubseal

            There was talk in a bill analysis about how the costs could be “absorbed” by the state’s General Fund, and I snickered.

        • CripesAmighty

          Of course.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸
    • clubseal

      That’s quite a garish “America Under Attack” image there, Channel 9 News.

    • Jenny

      Such an amazing phone call to tell him congratulations, your building is the tallest now!!

      • Nockular cavity

        I’m so glad that worked out well for him!

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      There’s something seriously wrong with that guy

  • Nounverb911

    There once was an elf from Nantucket,
    who told the NSCers to….

    https://twitter.com/Limerick_News/status/907349499005296642

  • Hanaka

    Whisper more sweet nothings of Warren/Harris 20 in my ear please?

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      (we can elect a woman president … again)

      • OutOfOrbit

        YES WE CAN!

      • Panika MCD

        yes we will!

    • OutOfOrbit

      DREAM TICKET!

  • Picabo
  • DainBramage
    • Serai 1

      Shit, I knew there was a reason I couldn’t stand Rosario Dawson.

    • HellhathnofuryDemme

      Is there a list of these enablers?

  • OutOfOrbit

    where do the bernie-haters stand on this, [his] awfulest bill

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      I don’t know enough about the bill to say, but this appears to be doing good for the public debate and moving the Overton window.

  • Jennifer R

    The dealer who was making too much is probably a mole for the meta human Rager gang, leaving us with the dealer who isn’t making enough. Hacked the university camera system where he deals and he hasn’t been around for several days. Someone hacked onto my comlink and the rest of the party is busting down to where they were at while I sit in a future denny’s as a decoy.

    • OutOfOrbit

      are yoo drunking?

      • Jennifer R

        No, but a frenimy decker contact I know left a databomb on my comlink.

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Which RPG is that?

      • Jennifer R

        Shadowrun 4th edition.

  • janecita

    Did any of you guys watch “It” this weekend? Was it good?

    • SomeBigRedDog

      It was better than I was expecting.

    • Juan de Fuca

      Going this weekend. I was on standby at work this past weekend. Can’t wait!

      • janecita

        I might have to leave work early tomorrow, and go watch it. I feel like I might have a real bad migraine tomorrow;-)

        • Juan de Fuca

          Do it! YOLO

          I’ve read some good reviews on it, so I’m dragging Mrs. De Fuca with me on Saturday. That or I’m going by myself. I’m watching this one in the theater.

    • OutOfOrbit

      boss & daughter going tomorrow i is a scaredy-cat

      • janecita

        I’m a scaredy cat too:-) I didn’t go this weekend because my husband wasn’t home, and I didn’t want to sleep alone after watching it.

        • OutOfOrbit

          smrt. i still ain’t goin i donut like being that scared

          • Arolpin

            My wife knows better than to ask me. I’ll watch a psychological thriller, but I am NOT a horror fan. Mostly because how stupid people act in horror films.
            Now Deliverance is a real horror film, and I watch it every few years and it gets worse every time. (Especially since it seems like the hillbilly rapists are in power in the US.)

    • Major_Major_Major

      The older offspring went with his GF, said it was CREEEEEEEPY. I’m too cheap to see many movies in a bona fide theatre (I’m waiting on the new Star Wars), but the kid has usually been spot on with his reviews.

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      No, but I watched “That” while staying at a Holiday Inn Express paid for by my savings from changing my auto insurance to Gekko.

      What’s “That”, you ask?

      • janecita

        I don’t think I want to know what “That” means.😳

  • Panika MCD

    Harris/Warren or Warren/Harris? I don’t even care. that would be a fabulous ticket.

    • jowgajen

      Warren is not going to run, she is an old, and she is also focussed on legislative victories, which she is more empowered to accomplish as a Senator.

      Harris might be looking at the Obama junior Senator becomes Presnit path. But I’m one to think that Obama is a once in a generation political talent and his path is exceptional rather than a possible pattern.

      As an utterly selfish Californian, I would like to see her settling into the Senate for a term or two. We may lose Feinstein’s seniority soon, and two junior Senators would weaken our impact in that not so august body.

      I’m quite happy to sacrifice Illinois junior Senator as Presidential material.

      I would also like to see either Senator from Minnesota take a stab at it. Has Minnesota ever had a President?

      Oregon has a nice qualified governor.

      • Panika MCD

        I don’t think that Obama is a once in a generation political talent. it’s that many with his particular gifts try to change things at lower levels. pay attention to your local officials. I’m sure you can find someone to love. one of the best things I ever did was help elect a criminal district judge. she’s counts. my state senator and my state rep are both made of awesome. it’s not that the officials don’t exist, it’s that there’s a federal-centric view you have to fight against.

        but I have found myself making a similar argument to the notion of appointing Warren to SCOTUS.

  • Nounverb911
  • Serai 1

    Speaking of It

    Trump supporters’ attempt at a Stephen King boycott backfires spectacularly

    I FUCKING HEART STEPHEN KING. He has been awesome, oh, only FOREVER.

    • jowgajen

      Liberals like him so he’s bad!!!!!

      *quieter* But I like him too.

    • Daniel

      They never seem to manage to successfully boycott anything, do they?

      Remember when they wanted to respond to companies withdrawing their adverts from Breitbart with a boycott, and several of those companies’ share prices increased?

    • AJ Milne

      How unfortunate for them box office returns are not determined by the electoral college.

    • jesterpunk

      Wait i thought they said boycotting things is un-American?

  • La forza del resistino

    Has there ever been a better presidential candidate name than Senator Sheldon Whitehouse. O.K., maybe he should change his 1st name to just Senator or maybe Abe.

    • Serai 1

      Damn, there’s a BBT joke in there somewhere, but I just can’t find it.

    • JD Mulvey

      Good –but not quite as appropriate as back when we had a “Senator Exon.”

  • Nounverb911

    Karma meet Schadenfreude, Schadenfreude meet Karma part 2

    https://twitter.com/Independent/status/907353809847906304

  • Resistance Fighter Astraea
    • Serai 1

      Indeed, this is exactly what landed us here. At this point, I’m hard pressed to think of more than a couple of the members of the mainstream press I wouldn’t piss on.

  • Chyron HR

    I can’t wait to get single payer, followed by the Republicans taking over a few years later and killing it because voters got bored and stayed home again.

    • Serai 1

      Yeah, as nice as this sounds, I’ll believe it has a chance in hell when I see it. Not talking about it passing, mind you, just it having a chance.

  • SomeBigRedDog

    To anyone who thinks the Dems “need” a white dude on the ticket: I’m sick of the idea that nobody gets to accomplish anything without some white dude being behind it. Fuck that. I’m done with waiting around for some white dudes to give me anything. “Oh, you want to marry your girlfriend? I don’t know if I’m ready for that.” “Two women on the ticket? Heavens! We’re just not quite there yet.”

    FUCK ALL THAT NOISE.

    • marxalot

      Right? News flash: white dudes don’t “give” the rest of the population anything so much as they stop withholding it.

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        And only because they’re forced.

        • OutOfOrbit

          ow!

    • mackafritz

      We have two of the whitest white guys now and it’s a complete cluster.

      • SomeBigRedDog

        Well one is technically orange

        • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

          Orange is the new white. Or something.

    • JD Mulvey

      Who’s saying that?

      • JD Mulvey

        Hello? I’d love to hear more about these mythical people who are demanding more white men in government.

        Who exactly are you hanging around with?

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          Scroll down.

          • JD Mulvey

            I scrolled all the way and all I saw were posts about “It” and Ernest Hemingway’s cats.

        • SomeBigRedDog

          Here, let me draw you a map for your convenience . . .

          • JD Mulvey

            A map to these imaginary people you’re so bravely sticking it to? Thanks!

          • SomeBigRedDog

            Oh darn. You showed me!

            Sounds like I hit a nerve.

          • JD Mulvey

            But not in the way you think.

    • jowgajen

      Hi, hello, penis havers have fucked this all up and I think it’s time for a representative of the larger half of our population.

      • Daniel

        WHITE MEN ARE A PERSECUTED MINORITY YOU ADMIT IT!!!!21!!

    • OutOfOrbit

      the USA is ready to vote for Pussy Power in the WH we can do this thing!

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      White dudes have been fucking up shit for far too long. As a white dude, I would be happy if all the white dudes fucking things up where to just up and die.

      Of course, I might be one of the fuckers and don’t know that I am. I’m willing to take the risk for the sake of peoplekind.

      • SomeBigRedDog

        You’re presence here implies you’re not. But we’ll let you know.

      • Courser_Resistance

        Probably not, since you’re here

    • Courser_Resistance

      I shared with a friend this last weekend that the only people I’m really afraid of are white men. Not my white guy buddies, but white men generally. I’m a strong, independent woman and most of them wanted me to submit myself to their will. And I just didn’t grow up that way.

  • JD Mulvey

    Jeff Merkley is also a co-sponsor now. But he isn’t a “rock star” Senator, so he doesn’t get blog posts and stuff like that –he just does good work. (boooo-ring.)

    • OutOfOrbit

      boooo-ring is good in govmt

    • altleftjohn

      Jeff seems too good to be President. That’s a liability with most low information voters

    • Panika MCD

      why wasn’t he on board earlier? I mean, he was the only senator what supported Sanders in the primary…little red flags.

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    Booker just signed on, also too.

    looks like all the potential contenders for 2020 are lining up to go left

    https://www.njtvonline.org/news/video/sen-booker-co-sponsoring-bernie-sanders-medicare-bill/

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    Bannon: “Dems won’t be competitive until they have their own civil war.”

    Because one dysfunctional national party simply isn’t good enough.

    • DainBramage

      It usually a bad idea to take advice form your enemy. They might not have your best interest at heart.

      • HellhathnofuryDemme

        …and they project a lot.

    • altleftjohn

      I’m gonna go out right now and punch a Bernie supporter I know. Luckily for me, she’s even older and more disabled than I am.

  • mrFawkes

    Never forget that this is the day that gave us the fucking Patriot Act, Fuck the Patriot Act, Fuck you Patriot Act.

  • Moebym of the Returners

    Finally…

    We saved the deal. It’s going to happen, after weeks of angst and agonizing periods of waiting.

    I’m going to reward myself tonight because I deserve it, dammit.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      nice job!
      way to go.

  • Picabo

    OK climate change deniers. Ball’s in your court. Let me see if you can hit it.
    https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/906893575916445696

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Climate scientists get into bloody brawls over a difference of 0.1 C.

  • Panika MCD

    Jazzy watch:

    two of Jazzy’s favorite vols came to visit her today and are going to come by and walk her once a day when I go back to work tomorrow! for some reason they had been under the impression that I was a vet tech. I wish. but they gave me high marks for continuing to work with her through her destruction. obviously, my opinion on the matter is that if we don’t work with dogs to overcome their quirks, they will never find their furever homes and I would never have any pets ever.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      A couple of my Texas peeps on the Book of Faces picked up the video and shared it with their peeps. Hope it helps.

      • Panika MCD

        thank you!

  • Zippy W Pinhead
    • Anna Rompage

      Um, the fact that the offender has not been fired, speaks volumes to the fact that these kinds of posts are totally acceptable within that sheriffs office, as long as they aren’t posted in a public forum…

      • Anna Rompage

        and then there’s this…. Another brother guilty of driving while black…

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuJUJakZffA

        • CripesAmighty

          But this guy let him have it–in brilliant fashion.
          Remember, kids, when encountering Porky, always film.

    • altleftjohn

      yeah, I’m gobsmacked . . .

  • Jenny

    Now is the time of day where I get to hear a group of dumbfuck libertarians sit around thinking about new laws to make their lives better.

    Not sure how they can call themselves libertarians at all, but self reflection is not their strong points.

    Knowing I won’t be in this section much longer makes this waiting even more unbearable!

    • Mr. Blobfish

      Shouldn’t they be discussing what laws to get rid of?

      • Jenny

        They just want laws to be the boss of you.

    • altleftjohn

      I used to be pestered by a right wing guy who grew up working class and old school Catholic. Sometimes I could get him to talk about sports. You might try that . . .

      • Jenny

        Not sports guys. :/

        • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

          Wait, not sports guys? In Texas?
          Ain’t that illegal?

          • Panika MCD

            filed by Sticky so it’ll never pass.

          • Jenny

            Piddly Penis Posse. They’re all big fans of guns instead.

  • Jennifer R

    Well for the trouble of hacking into the camera system looking for that tempo dealer got me a databomb in my edit program. Ended up disarming it before I set it off though.

    • OutOfOrbit

      is this IT talk? i am lost (my normal state)

      • Jennifer R

        Shadowrun 4th edition.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    This is pretty crappy. About as crappy as their pizza.

  • Juan de Fuca

    https://twitter.com/LOLGOP/status/907341611348226048

    Give Steve Bannon credit for being the first person to ever say he can’t be a racist because he attended Catholic school.

    • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

      Steve also uses the Twitter where, black people also tweet.

    • DainBramage

      Yeah, that’s something that only a racist would say.

      • Juan de Fuca

        And this is the Catholic school he’s talking about – a private military academy that costs $16k per year in tuition, while he’s going on about “limousine liberals”:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedictine_College_Preparatory

        • Arolpin

          Shit, he went to a private school that only cost $16k per year? No wonder he’s such a shitbird. Everyone whose anus he aspires to lick went to schools that cost at least three times as much. Poor little 3rd-tier school-attending coke-head cuck-Bannon.

    • SayItWithWookies

      “I’m not a racist — why, my maid married a black man.”

  • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶
  • Mr. Blobfish

    Re: Steve Bannon. There ain’t enough Visine in the world to get the red out.

    • Anna Rompage

      Clorox might do the trick!

      • CripesAmighty

        Formaldehyde.

      • I would recommend Drano.

        • Arolpin

          White-out.

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    My friend’s skittish cat that I’ve been catsitting for a week finally came out from under the couch and touched me. I wasn’t allowed to touch back, mind you. That may take another month. (I’ve been around this cat since he was a kitten)

    • DainBramage

      I had a cat like that. Sweetest cat I’ve ever met, but I was the only human who could get near her.

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        One of my owners cats is like that. Turns invisible whenever I have guests over.

    • SayItWithWookies

      I have a cat like that — my friends call her ghost kitty because they’ve only ever seen her briefly as she dashes up the stairs. She’s lived with me for years, and known me for years before that, and I still startle her sometimes when I walk into a room where she’s not expecting me. “It’s me — who did you think it was gonna be,” I ask her. She has yet to give me a sensible reply.

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        mom’s boyfriend cat does the same – fucker I’ve lived here for years, what are you so freaked out about?

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        Hah- my SIL had a cat we called the ghost cat. In 20 years I think I saw her twice, and she was dead for almost a decade before I realized it. Still not convinced that cat isn’t lurking around somewhere at her house.

  • Wolf Tracker

    Don’t know about Warren- she might be lightning rod but I like what I have researched about Kamala so far.

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    Oh Cenk, you jokester: “You know that old saying ‘he cleans up good’, it doesn’t apply to Steve Bannon.”

  • Teto85

    FTFA: “Personally, I am taking this as a sign that Warren and Harris will share the Democratic ticket in 2020, and all of my dreams will come true.”
    As a native son of San Francisco and having lived and worked in countries that had single payer/national health insurance and come back home, may this dream of yours come true. Because I know I will work my ass of to make it happen also. Kamala for VP 2020.

  • Thiazin Red

    What are people playing?

    I started Witcher 3 over the weekend, and the set up is similar to Dragon Age Inquisition, in that its a limited open world. There are separate regions, but within those you can wander around doing odd jobs, fighting monsters or not. So far the writing is good and the combat is challenging without being frustrating. I do miss having a team though. For me the fetch quests in DAI didn’t feel too much like busy work because I could listen to my guys talk to each other while I tried to find all those damn shards. I’m also hoping I get a base at some point, so I can craft stuff myself. Those smiths charge an arm and a leg to break down stuff into craft supplies.

    • Jennifer R

      Right now this second pen and paper shadowrun 4th edition.
      On video games tonight it will be
      http://store.steampowered.com/app/296970/Renowned_Explorers_International_Society/

    • mancityRed6

      I’ve got it, but haven’t played it much. Far Cry 4 mostly. I did the alternate ending first thing, and now I’m actually playing it.
      It has Honey Badgers.
      I still haven’t started Last of Us.

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        ugh, did I hate last of us. Didn’t play too much of it, but just not my thing.

        Crysis 3 was kinda fun, but never finished.
        I liked Far Cry 3 too.

        • Thiazin Red

          There was a lot of stealthing in Last of Us. I can see how people would not find it enjoyable.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            it wasn’t necessarily that – i liked the splinter cell series (as frustrating as it was).

            It was just a lot of “press x” to climb and very little shooting bad guys.

          • Thiazin Red

            The few parts where it was shooting bad guys, it would take me a ton of attempts because they could get overwhelming quickly.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            my favorite games are either Saints Row 4 or the borderlands series.

            Borderlands 1 and 2 are so insanely different, but both good. In Borderlands 2 you can DEFINITELY get overwhelmed very quickly.

          • mancityRed6

            I dismissed Saint’s Row as a GTA rip off.
            how wrong and right I was. it is a rip off, but it just doesn’t take anything seriously.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            i think you’re probably right about the previous ones, I never played them, but SR4 is, as you say, just fucking bonkers.

            As I’ve said numerous times, the one thing that cinched me paying $10 for it was a reviewer who said, “the designers rememebered games are supposed to be fun.”

            I had such a ridiculously fun time running up the sides of buildings and flying.

        • mancityRed6

          I’ve had 2, 3, and 4 in the Far Cry setting. graphics get better, but I never actually end up beating it.
          I’m looking forward to 5, but I’ll wait until it’s $20

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            I beat 3…haven’t gotten 4 yet. (I don’t game much).
            I too am interested in 5, but agree on waiting for the cost to drop.
            (actually, for skyrim, witcher 3, and far cry 5, I need the new playstation and can’t spare the bucks for that).

          • mancityRed6

            when I hit the power button, it turns on my tv at the same time. spooky when it first happened, but it’s damn good. I just need more than 500gb.
            the skyrim looks good on it, and I still play GTA 5 every once in awhile.

      • Master Contrail Program

        I’m grudgingly playing X-Com 2 after getting fed up with it for a few months. Still smarting from the bitter disappointment of Fallout 4 though. Will I ever learn to love again?

        • mancityRed6

          it’s not as good as 3, I loved 3. I lived with the Mojave episode just because it was there.
          4 isn’t as good as a half life, but I do make sure to romance anyone I team up with.

          • Master Contrail Program

            See, I loved New Vegas. Except for the Dead Money DLC. Sure it was crazy glitchy, as all Bethesda games are, but it had tons of personality.

            I think having only 4 dialog choices due to the voiced protaganists really hampered the game. Didn’t really care much for the perk system either. Plus it seems I’m basically only fighting one of about 8 different enemies. And it reaches a point where it’s just too easy, regardless of where the difficulty slider is. I boot it up every now and again to tick a few more boxes off, but I get bored after about 30 minutes or so.

          • Thiazin Red

            I need a voiced protagonist. My Skyrim or Dragon Age 1 characters don’t feel like people and I can’t care about them like I do my Shepard or my Inquisitor.

          • Master Contrail Program

            I will admit all the GTA’s after III were much better for having a voiced protaganist, but it’s a completely different style of game. I don’t know, in New Vegas you would have up to 8 dialogue choices dependent on certain perks and character stats. Always thought it was cool you could talk the final boss into standing down if you invested enough into “dump stats”.

          • Thiazin Red

            If a game gives me the option of improving my talk skills, I will always max that out.

          • mancityRed6

            I think I’ve started and restarted about 4 times now on 4. that and doing Skyrim again for the third time? it gets monotonous.
            I can only do the same missions over again for so long.
            I’ve got no man’s sky, but every time I do the hyperspace, I end up getting shot down

          • Master Contrail Program

            Yeah, never finished Skyrim either. Bought the legendary edition, discovered you could literally just walk around casting Calm everywhere you go to keep leveling up. Was excited to fight the Ebony Warrior when I hit level 81, sent his decapitated noggin careening down the mountainside after 2 hits on Legendary difficulty.

            Apparently enemies leveling with you stops at a certain point. Maybe in the future higher difficulty will actually mean “smarter” enemies, rather than just nerfing your stats and boosting theirs to absurd degrees.

            Killing the Ebony Warrior in 2 sword swipes, yet loincloth-wearing bandits surviving 8 stealth dragon arrow attacks kind of sucked the joy out of it.

          • mancityRed6

            I beat the dragons once, and then realized no more bones or scales, so that stopped.
            then I got the vampire expansion and decided to wait, but they killed off some of the better NPCs, so that was priority.

          • Thiazin Red

            Vampire girl was my go to quest partner. She was helpful without being so powerful that she killed everything before I could. And she didn’t charge in like a moron when I was trying to stealth.

          • mancityRed6

            my current PS4 background is one taken of my current game. she just brings the wrong thing back to life. it’s a picture of “Serana’s bunny”
            yeah, no. that’s not really helping.

          • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

            New Vegas was Obsidian, not Bethesda; unfortunately it was so much better than FO3 that there’s no chance Bethesda will let them make another title.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            I had New vegas on the PC and got stuck, like not enough xp or gear to try higher level missions, but had nothing else to do.

            It was disappointing.

          • mancityRed6

            I pissed off the Legion and they showed up nearly every time I fast traveled anywhere.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            what a bummer, I had a lot of hope for that game.

          • Master Contrail Program

            Yeah, it took a lot of self control not to slaughter all of them the first time you encounter that smug bastard with the coyote helmet.

          • mancityRed6

            in his tent, I managed it once. but that was on an easy setting. still barely made it.

          • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

            There comes a point in the plot where they will declare a temporary truce with you (as do the NCR), so you can reconsider which side (if any) you want to take.

            Also Caesar is not at all what I was expecting.

          • Master Contrail Program

            I actually thought New Vegas had a fairly gentle learning curve to it. But I played it a lot and learned most of the tricks so I could be rose-tinting my memories.

      • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

        The alternate ending for that game is amazingly well done (if brief), and I’m still not 100% convinced the ruthless dictator you’re fighting against isn’t actually your father; he sure still has a thing for your mom.

        • mancityRed6

          I read about it before I got it. it made the Clash song a lot more obvious.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      I find those open worlds very hard on my OCD side and I prefer a strong, solid story and characters to open exploration. I was able to finish DAI once, but only barely. I totally gave up on Mass Effect Andromeda.

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        IKR?

        Sometimes one wishes for a single hallway like the old days.

        Harrumph.

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          I still miss turn-based RPG’s.

          • Jennifer R

            They make those still.

          • Resistance Fighter Astraea

            I would ask for recs but I have no time for video games for a while.

          • proudgrampa

            Rocket Propelled Grenades???

          • Resistance Fighter Astraea

            Role Playing Games. They’re safer.

          • proudgrampa

            See? I’m an old.

          • Rasilom

            Loved me some Bards tale back in the day.

          • SomeBigRedDog

            Its sci-fi, not fantasy, but I think X-com and X-com2 are good examples of what a modern turn-based game should be.

      • mancityRed6

        if it’s not open world do what you like when and where you like, I have trouble playing it.

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          Most of the games I like have flexibility in the order you do a lot of the quests, but don’t offer a bajillion meaningless side quests

          • mancityRed6

            I’m talking more in the “do this thing…wonder where that goes?”
            even IRL, I just like to explore sometimes.

      • Thiazin Red

        I like both types, but I hate it when some people act like just being open world makes something automatically better.

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          Yeah, it would be nice to have some variety without one kind being held up as superior even when it doesn’t serve the game playing experience.

        • mancityRed6

          I just can’t anymore. my ps4 came with the uncharted series of 3 and I still haven’t made my way through the second one.
          sometimes, I just like to walk around and do nothing.

    • biologydave

      Probably another night of ESO

    • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶
      • Msgr_MΩment

        Maurice?

        • Was he speaking of the pompatus of love?

    • proudgrampa

      I’m playing my guitar.

      And Video Poker when I have some extra cash.

    • SomeBigRedDog

      You’re giving me DAI flashbacks.

      The shards all the way up where now? Fuck you bioware!

      • Thiazin Red

        Some of them were a real pain in the ass.

    • CptnEng2311

      W3 is worth the time. Wonderful writing. After a while, the game mechanics fade in importance when compared to the various story lines. One of the most emotionally immersive games I have ever played.

    • Arolpin

      Dungeons of Chaos on my iPhone. It’s an old-school, top-down, turn-based RPG. It’s kind of like the first Zelda. It’s perfect for 30 minutes on the train.
      I’m about to get back into Forza 6 to prep for Forza 7. I have to decide if the kids need the new XBox OneX, or I just buy the version for the XBox One. (I’m also getting dangerously close to buying a chair/steering wheel/pedal set so I can drive better, but again, have to make sure whichever one I buy will work with the new system. Of course, I could also buy the kids a new system, and then move the old system into the basement and then I wouldn’t have to share.)

  • Jennifer R
    • therblig

      how do these thin skinned WATBs get to be Generals?

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      As my blessed mother used to say ‘empty barrels make the most noise.

      That’s an excellent description of your boss, General Kelly…

      /FFS

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      Such sober. So professionalism.

      This is the guy everyone’s counting on to keep Trump from wrecking the country?

  • Andrew Rheinheimer

    I still firmly believe Warren would have a incredible shot at the presidency. I don’t know enough about Harris to make an informed decision, but I am also somewhat excited for Biden as well.

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      If someone is having an “incredible shit” at doing something, I assume that’s a good thing. I can’t keep up with all of this hip lingo.

      • Andrew Rheinheimer

        I noticed and fixed it, thank you!

        How embarrassing.

        • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

          Damn! I was excited thinking I learned a new hip thing to say until people got tired of it. Now, I’ll have to throw that idea under the bus.

          • suziq

            Or just start saying it like it is a new hip thing and if they don’t know what you are talking about they are just not as with it as you are.

          • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

            Last time I tried that sort of thing my entire cred dwindled to nothing in about twenty minutes.

          • suziq

            Ouch!

          • Arolpin

            We kept telling you that ‘Fetch’ was never going to happen.

  • Panika MCD

    dear Wonkette,

    Meeka says I can have my own FacePlant once Jazzy finds her furever home. I am torn because I love playing with Jazzy, but I also want to share my fashions with the world! I am a Democratic Doggie in a tutu, too! my creations may help get the word out about great people.

    what should I do, dudes?

    love and toots,
    Calliope Jane

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/17ab370949045c1b765c8d62e6a77a016c74f4c5463097876c22369be88f6afc.jpg

    pee. ess. https://www.facebook.com/pg/JazzyJazzPants/posts/

    • janecita

      I would totally friend you, I love fashionable girls, with
      impeccable styles:-)

      • Panika MCD

        we gotta stick together, we do! ~CJ

      • Panika MCD

        pee. ess. I am so much more fashionable than Meeka! I needz moar friends who is fashionistas like me!

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      That looks like a lovely Burberry plaid. The classics are always appropriate.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      “I can haz resistance nao?” – CJ

    • SomeBigRedDog

      I don’t usually approve of dogs in clothes but I’ll allow it this time.

      • Panika MCD

        I have lost the clothes war. she gets to wear ’em. she picks them out. she lets me know that she is being abused if she doesn’t have them. I am but Calliope Jane’s pawn.

        • SomeBigRedDog

          As long as it’s her decision.

          Weirdo.

    • Rasilom

      That is only legal as it is a tutu and no pants are involved.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Monday Night Football double header roll call–anyone out there with a preferred team?

    • Nounverb911

      The NY Yankees?

      • Resistance Fighter Callyson

        ESPN did a thing that showed that the Yanks scored more points yesterday than the Jets and the Giants, combined. Ouch!

    • Panika MCD

      the ones with the best butts?

    • Thiazin Red

      Being from upstate, I’d say Buffalo if pressed.

    • DainBramage

      My preferences for these games are only based on personalities.
      New Orleans at Minnesota – I can’t stand the NO coach, seems like an arrogant asshole, so I’m going Vikings.
      LA Chargers (weird) at Denver. I favor the Chargers as Trump-humper John Elway (nickname: Horse Face) runs Denver.

      • H0mer0

        and to think I took the whammy off him so Denver could finally win a superbowl (few people know of the whammy I put on him after “the Play” in the game between Stanfurd and Cal in 1982.)

      • proudgrampa

        Yeah. Elway can take a flying leap…

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Sorry, I don’t follow soccer much anymore.

    • OrG

      West Ham.

      • proudgrampa

        Manchester United!

        • OrG

          Never!

          • proudgrampa

            Oh. That was just a shout out to my late Mom. She was a Manchester United fan, but had no clue about soccer. It was “British.”

      • Arolpin

        It’s not the same since they lost Dr. Marten’s as a sponsor though.

        • OrG

          I support Arsenal. I said West Ham because they won today.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Well, I’m gonna hope the NO-Min game is a high-flying shootout, since I have Bradford in one fantasy league and Brees in a different one.
      Second game, I lean Chargers since 1) as a Niners fan I am contractually obligated to hate Denver and b) I want the Chargers to succeed and yet still be ignored because Spanos is an ass.

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      Yes, but they played yesterday.

    • OutOfOrbit

      the boss of me wants Denver (she from Cheyenne)

    • Painter of Goats

      I’ll kinda root for Minnesota (my cousin’s team) and I might still be awake for the kickoff of the Broncos game (my son’t team) but not a lot of enthusiasm for either game. I used up most of it binge watching games yesterday.

    • Arolpin

      As much as I want to root against Denver, at least they didn’t fucking move to LA and abandon their fan base, THE SAME YEAR that a team with real LA roots moved back, and they’ll share a stadium. And when all else fails root for the more northern or the more western team, so go MIN.

      I’ve pretty much given up on the NFL, especially since the Raiders are
      moving to Las Vegas. When they went to LA the first time, it was Al
      Davis being crazy because he’s fucking crazy, and then they came back to
      Oakland, so it was all good, except that they sucked year in and year
      out. They finally have a chance to be at least mediocre, and they’re
      moving to Las Vegas. Look, I get that Oakland is a tough place for a team, especially one owned by probably the only Major Sports Team owner in all of Major US Sports who is basically flat broke other than owning the team, but still, Las FUcking Vegas? Las Vegas is the Donald Trump of cities (no offense meant to any Las Vegans, who knows where you went wrong), it’s the fucking Applebee’s of cities. And it’s not even as if the people are easier to fleece in Las Vegas, it’s just that there is a fascist billionaire in LV who is perfectly fine with lying about who is paying for the stadium to get a vote passed to have the taxpayers pay for it, going so far as to buy the only fucking newspaper in town to mute rational opposition. ARRRGGGGGHHH!!!

      This is pretty much why I’m done with the NFL. And both the Jets and the Giants continue to oscillate between supreme suckitude and mediocrity.

  • Everrett Fanuelli

    Almost made it through the day without anyone mentioning 9/11 until 7 minutes before school ended and the assistant principal got on the PA to remind everyone. Fuck!

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      i usually hide from all media on this day.

      • Everrett Fanuelli

        I don’t mind it that much except for the fact that, as Americans, we seem to fetishize our tragedies more than others.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          eh. I was working in local news in Austin that day. I remember most of it really well. And the weeks afterward sitting at home hitting refresh on Yahoo News.

          I was 2 thousand miles away and don’t wanna relive it…can’t imagine how NYC, the victims, or their families feel today.

          • H0mer0

            Cornel West said it wasn’t the end of innocence but the end of adolescence for Merkins.
            Boy did we squander the world wide sympathy away by attacking a sovereign nation.

        • SDGeoff3

          Like Memorial Day and Veterans Day, you can only hear snippets of “Taps” so many times before lunging for the gin. The media coverage of this is way off mark, jingoistic, and over-affected.

      • CripesAmighty

        I just rage, rage against the hackneyed, mawkish twaddle.

    • Meccalopolis

      So did mine, in class full of Muslim kids who weren’t even alive in 2001

  • Nounverb911

    Some things are getting back to normal…

    https://twitter.com/HelloJetBlue/status/907369638677422081

    • Is this Miami? I need to fly through there Thurs to go from St. Kitts (here for vet school) to NY for my sister’s wedding.

      • SDGeoff3

        Better check your reservations.

        • I have been. Had to completely re-make them today.

          • SDGeoff3

            Keep on it. You never know.
            Many years ago, I experienced a similar dilemma, except we had to handle everything on the phone. They will get every damned cent out of you they can.
            Good luck!

          • Thanks!! Everything seems OK on paper right now but we’ll see how it falls out when I try to actually go.

          • SDGeoff3

            You have our support. I know you’ll enjoy the wedding.

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        FLL is probably Ft Lauderdale?

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    Hey lookie, James Woods, another person who should STFU forever
    https://twitter.com/yashar/status/907360768907255808

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      prepare for the lawsuit (and fight the fuck out of it).

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      James Woods says shit like that in order to prompt people to say things that he can sue them over.

      What a douchebag. Sue me James, motherfucking fuckheaded asshole from Hell.

    • Swampgas_Man

      Didn’t Mr. Woods used to be an actor?

      • ariel_gee_398

        I thought he was just a punchline on Family Guy.

        • SDGeoff3

          And a great one, at that.

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        Mr. Woods played being an actor. And he was abysmal at at.

      • Jennifer R

        He was in a movie that ends with him getting a giant vagina on his torso.

        • SDGeoff3

          Did it grow out of his torso? Or did it just land there?

          • Jennifer R

            Not only did it grow on his torso, it spat out a gun and told him to kill himself.

          • Meccalopolis

            Videodrone. Classic cronenburg

          • Jennifer R

            Yeah Videodrome is one of my favorites.

          • Meccalopolis
          • Meccalopolis

            Added bonus: debby harry

          • SDGeoff3

            That’s attractive! Where can I order these vaginas? I would like to help in their distribution.

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      Mmmm, piece of candy.

    • CripesAmighty

      Isn’t he like, 80? You’d think at this point, he might want somebody to show up at the approaching festivities besides the creditors.

  • Doug Langley

    Just another day at work . . .

    Boss: “Can you pick up the pace a little? . . . We need to get this done . . . See, I’ve already finished my section . . . Just pick up all the A-C in one handful, you’re taking too many trips to the box (ten feet) . . . No, I said take the empty boxes to the MIDDLE shelves, not the bottom . . . You know, it would save steps if you came back with a full box every time you take an empty away . . .”

    Just a few more weeks. Just a few more . . .

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      oh dear god.

      Hang in there buddy.

      (In other news, I start my internship tomorrow….desperately hoping it won’t get this bad…cause I’ve been there before).

      • Doug Langley

        My experience with jobs is like tossing a coin. Random chance they turn out crappy or cool. Wishing you good luck on your internship.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          thanks – the one thing i’ve learned in my years of working, it all depends on the shop. Hopefully this will be a cool office and not a shit one.

          Thanks buddy. And I’m sending out good vibes for you. (You can’t see it, but I am…cause I KNOW how awful that shit is).

          • Doug Langley

            That helps the most of all – that you’ve had it. People who haven’t gone through it try to be sympathetic, but can’t get past “well, are you doing something wrong?” Been keeping my Prozac steady and eating as well as possible, getting tons of sleep and rest on weekend, all keeping me fairly stable.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            good, self care is necessary for survival.

            Also, try to do whatever you find fun for awhile…take a hike, play videogames or watch tv for the escapism. It helps.

            Pulling for ya buddy.

          • Doug Langley

            Mmm. What I normally do is hit the gym and pump some weights. No can do now. Too much time commuting, too worn out from work, etc. Hate it. Over the weekend I did some exercises in the apartment, band pulls, etc. Dying to get back into it.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            exercise is (supposed to be) great for stress relief and depression, of which I have both.

            I do enjoy it, when I get up the energy to go. But yeah, I hear ya.

          • Doug Langley

            Unfortunately, I get more than enough exercise at work. It’s practically perpetual motion. Boss seems to act like we’re in a Star Trek episode where it’s 10 seconds to reset the anti-matter coils or the ship blows up or something. Except she’s like this all day long.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            i can’t stand peopel who live in a perpetual state of crisis. I don’t know how they do it.

          • Bitter Scribe

            Yes it is. I always get a mental lift out of it.

          • Doug Langley

            BTW, have two jobs I’ve applied for and waiting for feedback. One, the staffer came to me, the other I found on a job board. No idea if anything will come of them, but have to do something.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            ayup – gotta focus on the future. Keep looking, that’ll keep you sane too.

            I’ve committed to this intenrship through december, so I don’t even bother anymore.

          • OneYieldRegular

            That reminds me of a boss I once had who told me to stand on the blades of a forklift so that another employee could lift me 40 feet to pull a heavy box off the top shelf of a warehouse. So yeah, the problem is your boss; the problem ain’t you.

          • Bitter Scribe

            That is ABSOLUTELY a violation of OSHA standards. A guy got killed in a frozen-foods warehouse doing just that and the warehouse owner got a huge fine.

            I don’t know what to advise you, but if I refused to do something like that because it’s not safe and they fired me, I’d go get the best labor lawyer I could find and sue them down to their Gucci underwear.

          • OneYieldRegular

            I know that now, but as a young and rather desperately insolvent rube, I didn’t know my rights. Lesson: KNOW YOUR RIGHTS.

          • Bitter Scribe

            Whenever I feel sorry for myself for being unemployed, I just remember I don’t have to put up with BS like this.

          • Doug Langley

            Unemployment’s still a tough nut to crack. I’ve been there, too.

          • Meccalopolis

            Set some limits: when they ask you to do something, wildly shake your head and say, no no no no no no no

    • altleftjohn

      Been there. Have courage.

    • Résistance Land Shark Ω

      “Go to your happy place. Go to your happy place. Go to your happy place. Go to your happy place. Go to your happy place.”

      • Doug Langley

        Oh, wouldn’t that be effective. “Doug! What’s wrong? You’re just sitting there!!”
        “Yes . . . I’ll have some more birthday cake, thank you . . .”

  • ariel_gee_398

    Make your country the laughingstock of the world with this one neat trick – send cronies and the chronically underqualified to do your bidding: https://twitter.com/latimespolitics/status/907335471461629952

    • gallbladder

      Jesus Fuck.

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      So, it was a quid pro twat, then?

    • Thiazin Red

      Besides being an ugly design, that dress is a terrible color. Its the color of Ace bandages.

    • Doug Langley

      I’m sure they had a most stimulating conversation on grapefruit vs bran muffins.

      • ariel_gee_398

        I like to think that all the grand dames of world politics text each other, and that after this she texted Angela Merkel, “Help us Obi Wan, you’re our only hope…”

  • Nounverb911

    Start by shooting bannon through a bourbon colored lens….

    https://twitter.com/infowars/status/907365389537091586

    • Martini Ambassador 🍸

      Ah, so it’s been trick photography this whole time? By everyone who’s ever photographed him?

      • gallbladder

        Precisely. I’ve never seen a photograph of the guy were he didn’t look like a medieval lush.

    • altleftjohn

      How do you make an infected wart look even uglier than it is?

    • Panika MCD

      that’s a waste of good bourbon.

    • SomeBigRedDog

      That guy has too much time on his hands.

    • Mr. Blobfish

      Right. And Alex Jones would be Mr. Universe if it weren’t for all the liberal judges.

    • Bitter Scribe

      Are they kidding? I think whatever makeup artist at CBS drew that assignment should get a bonus.

    • Mr. Blobfish

      What about the skin tags? What about not shaving? What about the crust around his mouth? What filter was used for that?

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    For the tedious trolls who were on the Hillary thread earlier (I think they’re gone, at least for now):

    https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/907333833086980098

    • Panika MCD

      are they still over there?

      • Resistance Fighter Callyson

        They were silent when I last checked. No telling if they’ll be back, however.

        • Panika MCD

          WT is over there waiting for all our ‘splody heads to ‘splode. shall we disappoint him?

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Yes. Imho, WT is simultaneously annoying and pathetic.

    • Doug Langley

      Why, it’s almost as if she’s popular or something.

      • Beautiful Soup

        Popular… What does that remind me of? Didn’t she get a very popular boat last year, was that it?

        • Doug Langley

          A boat, or coat, or goat . . . what was it?

    • YoBunnyBunny

      Yeah, and, like, hardly anybody voted for her. Everybody I know voted for Bernie.

      /snark

  • Meccalopolis

    If dickhead could win with build the wall, we can win with Medicare for all

    • Proud Liberal

      Applause! I like that.

    • It’s got a beat and i bet i could dance awkwardly to it

    • Serai 1

      I don’t think that’s the analogy you want, considering that dickhead hasn’t been able to do jack shit about actually BUILDING the wall.

      • Meccalopolis

        Except win the election

  • Nounverb911

    This explains everything nothing….
    https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/907291963271139328

    • Anna Rompage

      Someone needs to at least triple his dose, before he does more damage to this country, and the world…

    • Doug Langley

      Total nonsense!!

      Everyone knows he only drinks Coca-Cola.

  • BadKitty904
  • Ezio
  • Nounverb911
    • Ezio

      There. Is. A. Trump. Tweet. For. Everything.

  • bookish

    http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/350040-russian-pol-us-intelligence-missed-it-while-russian-intelligence-stole

    On a Sunday panel show, a Russian politician said U.S. “intelligence missed it when Russian intelligence stole the president of the United States.”

    Vyacheslav Nikonov, a member of the Russian parliamentary body, the Duma, made the remarks on the panel show “Sunday Evening with Vladimir Solovyov.”

    The focus of the episode was the decline of U.S. power in the world. In that context, said University of Virginia professor Allen Lynch via email, Nikonov was less stating the extent of Russia’s involvement in the 2016 election, and more mocking the resulting chaos as emblematic of U.S. weakness.

    • Mr. Blobfish

      It’s Vladimirs all the way down.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Vladimir Matryoskanov Putin?

  • Résistance Land Shark Ω
    • jesterpunk

      Go home Jose, you’re drunk.

    • Mr. Blobfish

      Doin’ a loop-d-loop out there, huh?

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Spinning donuts in the ocean…

    • Bitter Scribe

      Goddamn, is this the new normal? One hurricane after another after another?

      BUT HER EMAILS.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Twirling towards freedom!

  • Panika MCD

    did your ‘splody head ‘splode over on the HRC book thread? yeah, mine neither.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      Funny enough, I enjoyed the interesting conversation there and my uterus didn’t try to wander around in my body even once.

      • Panika MCD

        how is that even possible?!

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          I don’t know, WT sure was doing his very best to shake up the entertainment he was after.

        • OutOfOrbit

          ?! odd

      • OutOfOrbit

        ?!?!?!

    • jesterpunk

      Is that everyone’s favorite asshole being an asshole again?

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        Oh you know, gleefully declaring he was looking forward to seeing people getting upset. Not finding anyone upset so saying offensive things. Then congratulating himself for watching people get upset. But he’s not a troll.

        • jesterpunk

          I blocked him a few days ago then unblocked him to see if he changed. He is now blocked for good after he started blaming the victim in the republican hammer thread. He is a huge troll who likes being an asshole and taking contrarian positions and defending them to the death.

          • Resistance Fighter Astraea

            Good choice.

          • Panika MCD

            also, the stealing of facial hair from Vikings. that’s unforgivable.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            I blocked him originally, and tried unblocking him as well, thinking maybe I had over-reacted. I hadn’t, and he’s gone now.

          • SomeBigRedDog

            It’s also extremely repetitive. Sundowning maybe?

          • jesterpunk

            I think its just to try and get a response.

          • SomeBigRedDog

            It’s not wing nutty enough to get Dok’s attention. We should have a process to vote the boring ones off the island or something. I like TLM better than this.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Possibly simply somebody with very poor social skills. I don’t particularly want to listen to them, but that doesn’t mean they are an actual troll. Just block them.

          • SomeBigRedDog

            Yes ma’am.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to sound bossy. I just don’t want to see us piling on to somebody who I suspect has issues.

          • SomeBigRedDog

            That was my cooperative yes ma’am. My sarcastic yes ma’am is more like this:

            YES MA’AM!

            You’re probably right.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Obviously my snark detector is dialled up to eleven. I really need to recalibrate the damn thing.

        • Wolf Tracker

          Offensive things I said = Clinton “I am done with being a candidate,”

    • Wolf Tracker

      Dud?

      Oh have a great day!

    • WomanInThePersistence

      My but the Bros are thick over there. In all the ways.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Okay. Bannon sez the Republican Establishment is trying to nullify the 2016 election………..to install Hillary?!? What’s he on about? Or just on?

    • Panika MCD

      I would like a taste of what he’s having.

    • Bitter Scribe

      Who the fuck knows. He’s just in the alt-right Breitbart mindset of “he who is not with me is against me, and hardly anyone is with me.”

    • altleftjohn

      We was robbed!

      Yet another contrived grievance for mass consumption in Foxland. Look for it in an email,from your crazy uncle soon.

    • Infrequentcontributor

      Well you know, there’s no difference between Trump and Hillary anyway…

    • OutOfOrbit

      i am baffled by that since he sed it

  • Alexander Stallwitz

    First, I want to say I am not one of these assholes who think America deserved 9/11. It was a brutal act of murder and no one deserved it especally the 3000 people who died) 9/11 was the worse thing that happened to America (a statement i dont make lightly) because it unleashed a evil in the american psyche. It wounded us and egged on truly evil men we went to the Dark Side. We were like a wounded animal leashing out at everyone. We decided to throw away all standards of morals and human rights. Worse of all, we mocked and attacked anyone who dared to question the direction we were going. We buried our pain in hyper Patriotism and rage at every Musilms. Every 9/11 i lamented that 9/11 put america on a dark path. So here we are here again.

    • Bitter Scribe

      In other words, the terrorists accomplished exactly what they set out to do.

      • Angela Ruzzo

        You are correct. They played us. And we aided and abetted them.

        • Three Finger Salute

          No we didn’t. Jeb helped his idiot brother and the complicit Reagan-leftover SCOTUS finished the job. All of Reagan’s horses and all of Daddy’s men were back in D.C. to get mean old Saddam and his oil again.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Bingo. We did exactly what the terrorists wanted us to do.

      • Alexander Stallwitz

        Well said!!! Thats perfect! Have to steal that.

    • ariel_gee_398

      We can’t even try the guy who masterminded it because we tortured him so much all of his statements are tainted.

      • Three Finger Salute

        We can’t try Dick Cheney?

  • bookish

    This on the same day as Drumf’s empty public pieties about “our values”.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/zoetillman/the-justice-department-is-supporting-joe-arpaios-bid-to-get?utm_term=.gj5Eb9qWA#.vfzjaMxOA

    The Justice Department is supporting former Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio’s effort to get his criminal conviction dismissed now that he’s been pardoned by President Trump.

    In court papers filed on Monday, Justice Department lawyers wrote that they agreed with Arpaio that Trump’s pardon made his criminal case moot. A judge found Arpaio guilty of criminal contempt this summer, but he hadn’t been sentenced by the time Trump issued the pardon in late August. That meant that no final judgment was entered in the case, the DOJ said, and Arpaio would face no consequences from the guilty verdict.

    • proudgrampa

      I’m only upvoting you because I am not shooting the messenger…

      • bookish

        I’ll take what I can get :)

        • OutOfOrbit

          take this!

    • Except for the little bit about “convicted.” :-)

    • suziq

      So if Trump can only pardon federal convictions can the state of Arizona file charges against that asshole Arpaio? Not that they would, but could they? From now on-state charges for everyone!

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        Arizona is a red state. They could but they won’t.

        • suziq

          But in theory they could? They are getting kind of purple though aren’t they? Maybe some day. If Sheriff Joe gets elected to the senate, or whatever he is yammering about running for next. Because of course he won’t just go away already.

          • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

            Ol’Joe will be burning in Hell soon. Long before the state of AZ will do anything.

    • ariel_gee_398

      That a truly evil person face no consequences for their actions, it’s the Trumpian dream.

    • altleftjohn

      Joe, Joe, Joe. You’ve written your little footnote in history. We all know who you are. All the legal airbrushing in the world will never hide the stain.

  • Except for the Murray Rothbard anarcho-capitalists, of course.

    Oh. The Austrian school of economics…

    Which has never been tried in any country, at any time throughout history.
    https://media2.giphy.com/media/18wesHMbVN7A4/giphy_s.gif

    #Fake Economics

    • Doug Langley

      I seem to recall Murray and Company convinced some South American country to try it, and they pretty much ended up in the dumpster.

      • Different School, same bad advice.

        The government of Chile actually had economists from the Chicago school, including Milton Friedman, come and give advice on how to institute market reforms

  • Angela Ruzzo

    UPS just delivered something I ordered from Amazon. It was a large box, 18″x18″x18″, containing a very small box with the 4 coffee mugs I ordered, plus 17,469,245 packing peanuts. I try to hard to be Green, and then something like this happens.

    • OneYieldRegular

      What does one do with those things? A friend just sent me wine in four boxes FILLED with those things. Everyone who uses them should be forced to spend a week cleaning up a beach. They’ll never touch styrofoam again in their lives. But seriously – how do I get rid of them?

      • memzilla Ω

        Put them in a trash bag and drop them off in either a Fedex or UPS station. You can’t kill them, but at least you can repurpose them.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          I keep them in the box and store the box in a closet, and then I re-gift them the next time I mail Xmas presents. You could call it a form of “peanut-it-forward.” They then become someone else’s problem. Other than that, I have no idea what to do with them, but I bet someone, somewhere, has a truly useless and time-consuming craft project you can do with them.

          • memzilla Ω

            I’m so old that when I ship things — as I did just recently sending my Dell machine back for service and they had sent me an RMA box with two inappropriately-sized inflated plastic bubbles — I used wadded-up newspapers. BTW, my machine is back and everything works fine (knock wood), so my packing job must have worked.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          Good idea, thanks.

      • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

        You can recycle them– http://www.homeforfoam.com/foam-101/foam-recycling-centers (some cities allow you to recycle them in your blue bin). You can save them in a trash bag and use them when you have to send someone a package.
        Or if you feel crafty, you can do one of these! https://www.thisoldhouse.com/ideas/10-uses-foam-packing-peanuts

        • Angela Ruzzo

          Some of those are very clever ideas for re-using peanuts. But do people still actually use bean-bag chairs??? I haven’t seen one in 40 years.

          • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

            A friend of mine loaned me two giant king-size bean-bag chairs of them for my son’s 13th birthday. We invited his whole class (small private school, maybe 25 kids), had a DJ, a taco and burrito bar and a virgin-margarita stand and let them dance and be “big kids,” although most of them just wanted to roam around in the garden and scream with laughter. He begged for us to let a bunch of his guy friends sleep over, so we said okay, sure, and dragged out some air beds and the two giant bean bags and put them all in the living room. During the hijinks that followed (SMELL MY FEET HAHAHA) (OH YOU WANT YOUR CELL PHONE< OOPS I PUT IT DOWN MY PANTS HAHAHAHAHAH) they actually somehow managed TO BREAK one of the beanbag chairs in the middle of the night and the entire living room floor was inundated with these tiny, tiny, static-clingy pellets, which alternately stuck to each other and repelled each other, making them almost impossible to sweep up or vacuum up. Their raucous attempts to help just sent all the pellets flying again. We finally had to separate them, order them to watch TV and be quiet, and it took my husband and me AN HOUR to get it all cleaned up. I still remember the surreal sense of "THIS IS NEVER GOING TO END WE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO BED WHY LORD WHY"

          • Angela Ruzzo

            Ten or 15 or 20 years from now you can tell this story at your son’s wedding and embarrass him. Then you can tell it to your grandchildren and embarrass him again.

          • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

            He’s 23 now…. I meant to say this happened ten years ago!

          • Angela Ruzzo

            I was going to reply by saying “Aren’t you glad he’s not 13 any longer” but then I remembered my nieces and nephews, all of whom are in their late 30’s, and occasionally I wish they were cute, slightly obnoxious 13-yr-olds again.

      • Serai 1

        I just reuse them. They don’t go bad, you know.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          It’s a question of SPACE. I already have 4 other large boxes filled with peanuts in the spare bedroom closet, plus the huge box my computer came in which I have to keep in case I need to send it back for repair (manufacturer requires this, it pays to read the fine print), plus a large plastic bin filled with packing air bags and bubble wrap I saved from other boxes over the last 8 years. Maybe I need to take it all to Salvation Army or Goodwill. . .I barely speak to most of my relatives so I rarely send them packages.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            can it be recycled?

          • Angela Ruzzo

            I should look into that.

          • Up In Smoke O’hontas

            We have to bring our to one of 2 designated recycling facilities. It’s not convenient, but it is the better option…I don’t think it’s carbon neutral, but hopefully keeps them out of the landfill. I wish my orders would show up in actual popcorn though, because that would smell good and save me a lot of time.

          • Angela Ruzzo

            Sometimes I get boxes packed with crumpled up brown paper, which is very useful as tinder for starting fires.

          • Serai 1

            Do you know anybody who sells things on eBay?

          • Angela Ruzzo

            That’s a good idea, but I’m afraid I don’t.

    • OutOfOrbit

      save for xmas & birthdays & mom/dad days etc let others deal with it

    • OneYieldRegular

      Oh, and: definitely leave packaging feedback – and don’t be restrained.

    • therblig

      are they actual styrofoam or the ones made out of starch that dissolve in water and biodegrade?

      • Angela Ruzzo

        They seem to be real styrofoam. One of the cats got ahold of one and it is now in tiny pieces all over the living room rug. The ceiling fan is on and making the tiny pieces float around, which is nirvana for a cat.

      • SomeBigRedDog

        Don’t eat those. They’re not food grade.

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      Angela, on your order on your Amazon account, there’s a button for “packaging feedback.” Let them know! (Meanwhile, flatten the box and save it, you can use it at Xmas time, those boxes are expensive!)

    • Serai 1

      That’s kind of a given with Amazon. They’re famous for using 10x more packaging than the item requires. On the other hand, your mugs arrived safely.

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      A few minutes ago I got my Amazon package containing some spiral tubing I need for a project. Eighty percent of the volume in that box was those air bubble packs thingies that my cats love to chew on and get sick.

    • SisterArtemis

      I am firmly convinced that if we had a good packing peanut system wherein they were just circulated around the various regions, we’d never, ever have to make another packing peanut.

      • Angela Ruzzo

        This would make a good comedy sci fi skit. The first human astronauts to reach Saturn discover that it has a new ring made up of packing peanuts that escaped from Earth.

      • Up In Smoke O’hontas

        We save ours at work and use them for our order fulfillment. Haven’t had to take a single box to the recycling plant in 5 months!

    • notaten

      I once got a collar for my dog from Amazon (a mostly cloth collar with a little bit of embroidery on it) delivered in a 4 x 12 x 18 box. I took a picture of the open box, with the collar nestled inside, and sent the picture to Amazon. My only comment was “WTF?” They emailed me back, like we don’t know wtf, but will try to do better. And a $1 credit to rent a video. Squeaky wheel, and all that.

    • Unhappy Fingers

      Styrofoam peanuts??? In a shipment directly from Amazon rather than an associated vendor? Are the fulfillment centers in the Midwest retarded or something? Here in the NYC metro area I’ve not gotten packing peanuts with anything from Amazon in years. In fact they’re rather good about using kraft paper for padding if anything.

      • Angela Ruzzo

        Well the box says Amazon, and they are definitely peanuts. Perhaps the associated vendor uses Amazon boxes? I don’t order things very often, so it’s all Greek to me. I prefer the kraft paper, it’s useful for starting fires.

  • bookish

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/11/politics/kfile-roy-moore-kevin-swanson/

    (CNN)Roy Moore, a Republican candidate for US Senate in Alabama, has appeared multiple times on a radio show hosted by a controversial pastor who preaches that the biblical punishment for homosexuality is death.

    Moore, the former chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, is in a runoff primary race against fellow Republican and incumbent Sen. Luther Strange. Moore is a hardline conservative, who made his name in Alabama by championing social and cultural issues popular with the religious right.

    Moore has appeared on pastor Kevin Swanson’s Generation Radio at least five times and as recently as this February, a CNN KFile review finds. Swanson is a Colorado-based pastor who on several occasions has preached that the biblical punishment for homosexuality is death. Most recently, Swanson tied Hurricane Harvey in Houston to the city having “a very, very aggressively pro-homosexual mayor.”

    • Three Finger Salute

      I never heard of that other guy, but to say Moore and Swanson themselves are Strange is the understatement of the millennium.

  • Lyly Sirivong
  • Everrett Fanuelli
  • Jennifer R

    So we tracked the dealer to a hotel in tacoma he will be having a tryst at and I hacked in well enough to find 2 rooms ready to be occupied by their renter so we are gonna bug them now.

    • hudson

      what’s this about? what’s going on? why are are talking about dealer and hacking?

      stay safe. don’t get into unneeded trouble, please. humble request,

      • OutOfOrbit

        i think it is a virtual IT game goin on

        • hudson

          @#$@#$ Jen!!!

      • jesterpunk

        Its a game.

  • Radardude

    Hello from Florida. Winds are still fresh but it appears another one has passed, I have a green card that makes me a legal resident of Italy – I was assigned to Aviano Air Base during my 22 years in the military, had an Alfa Romeo, pre-Fiat.
    The point is I could walk into any hospital, clinic, dentist, or health care provider of my choice and be treated. Just show the card.
    How is it that every other first world country has comprehensive health care and we don’t? I don’t understand how we can be so petty.

    • therblig

      freedumb!

      • altleftjohn

        Now with extra dumb.

    • hudson

      you don’t understand the concept of opportunity cost. and ps: your solution was not invented here so it does not count. in some time, we will figure it out, and when we do it will be beautiful. meanwhile don’t be the asshole who points out the people who have to needlessly suffer in the interim. fuck off.

      • Radardude

        No, I understand opportunity cost and can calculate it. I also understand sharing the wealth. This weekend I helped refurbish a park. What did you do?

        • hudson

          nothing as cool. also please don’t take previous post personally. per norm around here, i thought.

          in case you want to know, i mostly worked on my increasingly greenish phlegm. when not doing that, i work on house chores and volunteer for a few town concerns on weekends.

          • Radardude

            I apologize. I suspect you’re a cool dude, or dudette and likely we could be friends. Peace to you.

          • Up In Smoke O’hontas

            Very gracious reply. Nicely done, and I’m happy you weathered the storm, good person! Carry on.

          • Radardude

            I try to be a good person, Sometimes it is not that easy

    • yyyaz

      Because toxic billionaires have been handed the keys to the house and now need to add even more to their toxic money dumps.

    • TJ Barke

      Decades of Bircher fear mongering.

      • Lord Jim

        “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.” – some Commie cripple

    • Doug Langley

      If it helps, I’m on Medicaid expansion (Thanks, Obama), so all I do is show the card and someone else takes care of all the paperwork and expense. So we’re partly there.

      • Radardude

        Doug,
        I know it seems a slow crawl to common sense. Perhaps someday we’ll reach the … whatever.

    • Three Finger Salute

      You must be a Canuckistani snowbird. Glad to see you’re doing well. As for “how we can be so petty,” it has to do with Red-Scare Randroid Reaganomics and the Bible humpers. There is a very strong Spencerist (“Social Darwinist,” even though Darwin gets tagged unfairly with the bad-science philosophy of his cousin Herbert Spencer) streak in the USA that conflates caring with communism. Actual Christians who believe in aiding the poor and healing the sick don’t do well in American politics. See entries under “Carter, James E.” and “Clinton, Hillary R.”

  • Everrett Fanuelli

    Anyone watch Toast of London on the Netflix? Can’t go wrong with Matt Berry.

  • mackafritz

    Just tuned into MNF. Soon they will have a flag so big you could see it from space.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Is “Fuck you Colin” written on it?

  • Ezio

    Brain Kilmeade: Leftists, if you take down the Confederate statues, then what’s next? The 9/11 memorial?

    Me: That depends, Brian. Was the 9/11 memorial put up to honor the attackers?

    Brian: Uh…

    • Lord Jim

      D’oh!

  • Stulexington

    “don’t make my medicare better, I wanna keep paying and watching the Republicans fuck with it instead of having everything paid for by taxes. Leave my taxes for the rich and make me pay some for the ability to keep living in the most medically advanced, richest country in the world.” -useful idiots.

    • Three Finger Salute

      “As long as some slut, f****t, or n****** crackhead don’t get free shit.”

      (the real reason they don’t want it)

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Twitter, can you anger up my blood and give me energy to work out during the game?

    https://twitter.com/funder/status/905790116081348609

    Thanks Twitter. BBL, Wonkers!

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      My cats ate my surprised face. Sorry.

      • Lord Jim

        The capacitors in mine burned out sometime during the Reagan administration.

        • Gayer Than Thou

          I just deleted that part of my programming altogether. It happened so much that I just kept getting locked in an endless loop.

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          • Rags

            You know, it’s kind of interesting that the Car Lady of 1000 Disguises seems frequently to post in the ‘best’ thread of a given topic. This is not the behavior of someone who gets paid a dime a post or something; one wonders if the creature behind the mask actually has some skin in whatever game they are playing. And yes, I know we shouldn’t feed the trolls, but this is Science!

          • fergawdssakes

            But I just read on the another wonkette page that single payer is impossible and all the bernie, damn him, stood.
            oh! but this is medicare for all.
            never mind

          • Frank Underboob

            Don’t even get me started. I’ve gotten embroiled in giant arguments with multiple Hillbots any time I’ve brought up the topic here. I’m just as happy to chalk this up as a win & let them claim it was their idea.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      And more mad about a deal with Dems than all the secret deal with Vladimir Poutine… Do Republicans even know what American means anymore?

      • yyyaz

        It means a country so rich every one of them can grow up to be a traitorous asshole and get rich on the grift gravy train.

      • Three Finger Salute

        “[he made a] secret deal with Vladimir Poutine”

        So that’s why Trump opened two hotels in Canada?

    • Doug Langley

      So, FINALLY impeachment?

    • YoBunnyBunny

      What happened to all the GOP caterwauling about the Dems being #divisive and #obstructive and #not supporting “The President”? … ack!!!!… ugh… I said it…

      • Meccalopolis

        Bipartisanship means do what we say

    • Republicans are more mad about Trump making a deal with Democrats than any of the racist, sexist & demented filth he’s said/done.

      Deplorables is the kindest word you can use to describe people suckered into this cult.

    • Meccalopolis

      Whatever it takes for them to turn on him

  • bookish

    Humanity Road Hurricane Irma-Florida situation report (#2) September 11.

    https://www.humanityroad.org/situation-reports/usa/hurricane-irma-florida

  • Wolf Tracker

    I think Medicare for all could work and a basic package of benefits for everyone and you can buy additional coverage like they do for Medicare now.

    Now we need to figure out how to pay for it and it would probably require higher taxes from everyone to do it.

    That is why Trump and Reps are trying to make the tax cuts permanent right now.

    • Three Finger Salute

      T-A-X is a four-letter word. Well, T-A-X-X, because just like porn, the more Xs you have, the more obscene it is.

      • Wolf Tracker

        There was a time when Reps were not afraid of taxes. It was under Eisenhower and he had the best economy with the highest taxes ever.

        • Three Finger Salute

          The party of Eisenhower is dead. The GOP now is to the right of their hero Hitler. Even he didn’t scrap Bismarckcare.

    • Phase 1 is cost free. Just let people who can afford it, buy it. Remember, it’s gonna be 20-30% cheaper than profit-based insurance.

      Anyone who pays (non-subsidized) insurance can now afford Medicare and will save money doing so. People will scream Medicare when they have orgasms it will be so popular.

  • Les Appentis De la résistance

    Thanks Bernie!

  • tehbaddr

    Health care for everybody? What do you think, that we are Communist Canada!

    • Three Finger Salute

      Invoking Canada is one way to kill the bill and simultaneously get war declared on Canada. See Jimmy Kimmel video about Obamacare for perfect explanation.

      “If you hated Obamacare, you’ll really hate the sequel! Trudeaucare! Coming soon to a leftard antifa campus snowflake safe space near you!”

  • Jennifer R

    Hahaha the target was having a tryst with a cop, I ended up in the cop’s comlink and got the com numbers for almost every officer in the police department.

    • Wolf Tracker

      Hmmmm?

      You are aware you are admitting to a possible crime on a social network that can be traced back to you right?

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        it’s a game.

        • Wolf Tracker

          Oh OK. Never know with some people.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            i’ve known her a lot longer than I’ve known you.

            She’s cool.

          • Panika MCD

            do I even want to know?

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            it’s fine.

          • Jennifer R

            Yeah Mondays people get highlights from Shadowrun 4th edition
            and Wednesday people get D&D 5th edition.

          • bookish

            Whew. ‘Cause you had me worried until “metahuman”.

          • SomeBigRedDog

            Are you actually Grandpa Simpson or are you just fucking with us?

    • OutOfOrbit

      me learning here.
      carry on!

      • Jennifer R

        So now I got a set of com numbers to a metahuman gang and a set for just about the entire seattle PD set. The big question is sell them for the Nuyen or hold off and try to capitalize for an important moment.

        • OutOfOrbit

          i a idiot but i say hold’em

  • Three Finger Salute

    It is a nice idea, but what would be the logistics of implementing it in a place like America, which no other country has the same conditions of? Population-wise, Canada has only 1/10 of our population. China has 1 billion, but the majority live in poverty. As for ethnicity, even Canada’s not as diverse as we are, and neither are the E.U. countries (which don’t have anywhere near our numbers either). We already have an all-out war against the safety net thanks to Reagan’s welfare-queen meme that won’t die, and now the Fox News ticker that accuses “illegals” of getting “free welfare” on “hardworking Americans’ dime.”

    Even the worst-of-the-worst cons in Canada, who are looking more and more like the GOP North, won’t touch the sacrosanct healthcare program over “social issues,” whereas here, even Obamacare faced fights from Republicans (and still does) over women’s reproductive care, LGBT-related health coverage (like transition services, PrEP and AIDS cocktails), and whether to allow LGBT couples to qualify for a family plan. Canada’s so modern they even have the healthcare program pay for medicinal cannabis (which is already legal there; it’s recreational pot that Trudeau is legalizing in 2018). Here, we still throw people in prison and let them die of opioids rather than legalize a harmless plant.

    Cannabis coverage might be a stretch, but no Democrat worth their salt is going to allow for abortion to be placed on an OOP luxury tier with facelifts and boob jobs, but no Republican is going to budge on “religious freedom” and keeping the Hyde Amendment intact. Leaving it as is with the cop-out compromise of Planned Parenthood having to resort to donation monies to pay for abortion should be unacceptable to the Democrats (whereas the GOP would rather Planned Parenthood get raided and anyone who works there put in Gitmo). We’re likely to see a bloody war over taxpayer funding of transition services and other “icky gay” things. Healthcare is going to be a mess of a “culture war” no matter how you look at it.

    Then there’s the brass-tacks issue of covering 330 million people — a third of a billion — at a point where jobs are steadily being rendered obsolete by automation, and therefore fewer and fewer people to pay an income tax into the system (because they don’t have any income). There is no way whatsoever that the Republicans will allow for some pie-in-the-sky solution like “taxing the robots” or, horror of horrors, taxing corporations themselves as “people.” It’s not only going to be a culture war but a budget battle, with the majority party that is fundamentally opposed to the very idea of government and taxes existing at all — let alone for anything that actually helps people rather than blows them up or enriches their own pockets.

    So………….. TL;DR, how the hell do we pay for it and how the fuck do we force the pearl-clutchers to cover abortions and transitions?

    • jesterpunk

      A very well written Constitutional amendment maybe?

      • Three Finger Salute

        “The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures. To become part of the Constitution, an amendment must be ratified by either—as determined by Congress—the legislatures of three-fourths (presently 38) of the states or State ratifying conventions in three-fourths of the states.”

        (from a quick search for “how to approve a Constitutional amendment”)

        We don’t have any of those things. Not 2/3 of the House or Senate, not 2/3 of the state legislatures, and certainly not 3/4 of them either.

        The ERA didn’t pass either.

        • Serai 1

          And that’s been sitting on the sidelines for over a HUNDRED YEARS now.

          • Three Finger Salute

            As it will forever. We didn’t ratify CEDAW either. We didn’t even ratify the Convention on the Rights of the Child, because wingnuts threw a fit that it would end homeschooling and allow the UN to take kids away from parents for expressing their faith or teaching them about good guys with guns. It’s always about God, guns and gays with these people. Yogyakarta Principles? Fugheddabaddit.

    • Serai 1

      And even if by some miracle we did pass it – how the fuck do we keep it from being torn to shreds the next time some wingnut gets the White House?

      The reasonable thing to do is fix Obamacare, not scrap it just to get ourselves in the same fucking fix again.

    • Every other country has done it.

  • SomeBigRedDog

    Here’s one thing I’ve been wondering about Medicare for all, or whatever you want to call it. Right now my employer pays $200 something twice a month for my coverage and I pay $82. If medicare for all passes how do we ensure that $200 my boss was paying for my insurance goes to me, to pay for what I assume would be a tax increase, instead of going straight into my bosses wallet while I’m forced to shell out more in taxes? Because I sure don’t trust big business to do it on their own.

    • jesterpunk

      You really cant, the only thing they possibly could do is raise taxes on businesses and the rich to help pay for it.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Which is blasphemy and therefore will never happen. Nobody has yet come up with a way of paying for this that doesn’t involve taxes. The Republicans are intransigient and have gerrymandered the fuck out of the whole country. They also control the courts and have a fucking Bible-Thumper who stole Garland’s seat.

        Hillary was right that we won’t have single-payer with this current Congress. But since “this current Congress” is going to be the forever Congress, basically, we’re not getting single-payer. If you like your healthcare you might as well move to Toronto.

        • jesterpunk

          We might get single payer but it will involve people getting off their asses and voting in every election to retake congress getting a Democratic President. Its also most likely going to have to be gradual improvements to the ACA instead of tossing that and going right to single payer.

          • shivaskeeper

            Ate you candidates pure? Are they likeable? Are they not women? If not, no vote for them.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            I usually eat my candidates with sauce. Sometimes BBQ, sometimes something soy-based. When I’m feeling fancy, demi-glace.

            Sorry, spellcheck humor is just so damned easy. :)

          • shivaskeeper

            Fucking auto-correct on the phone. Sitting at a rest stop killing time until my next appointment, so my Sasquatch fingers run amok on the tiny touchscreen.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            I was spell-checked twice in my response to you. I hope things are going well for you and Mrs. Keeper.

          • shivaskeeper

            They are.

          • Three Finger Salute

            Sadly, it’s a damned if you do damned if you don’t scenario. In the 50 or so years we’ll be tweaking the ACA we could have been putting money into the national program like Britain and Canada have been doing since the end of WW2 and the ’60s, respectively. And there’s no guarantee that whatever small steps we make — if any — won’t get undone by another fascist in the WH. The fact that making any steps at all is going to require tons of people 1) getting out to vote and 2) vote for Democrats (“establishment” ones who the Bernbrats won’t agree to support, because they don’t want anyone to the right of Stalin), means we’re looking at a stalemate for a long, long time. The rube pubes are a lost cause, because they will vote for the GOP every single fucking time as long as “social issues” remain an immutable sticking point. Both extremes are holding progress hostage and I don’t know what the fuck can be done about this.

    • Wolf Tracker

      It could be done by increasing the SS/MEDICARE tax contribution businesses make. Would probably actually save your employer since it is spread out over a much larger base.

    • shivaskeeper

      It should be offset for more people by not having to pay for private insurance. To pull random numbers, Medicare taxes going up $100/month should more than offset private insurance of $400/month.

      As for your company, there us no way to insure that money comes back to you unless you can maybe renegotiate you contract as you are no longer receiving company insurance as a benefit.

      • SomeBigRedDog

        “Contract” He, that’s a good one.

        • shivaskeeper

          Terms of employment maybe? I used to get a yearly sheet from the finance office telling me what my actual compensation was vice what my take home was. Health care costs were figured into actual compensation.

  • Mystery_Poster

    Thank you for monitoring those crazy-ass right wing forums so we don’t have to.

  • WomanInThePersistence

    So I’m delighted to see Floridians here! Has anybody heard from Sugarplumcheryl? Of how Joe Beese’s mother is?

    • TootsStansbury

      I have it on good authority that freakishlypersistant is all of a piece but without electricity at the moment.

    • Picabo

      Bad Kitty posted this morning. OK.

  • Serai 1

    Shall we talk about badass women?

    LET’S TALK ABOUT BADASS WOMEN.

    http://themetapicture.com/media/cool-successful-pirate-Chinese-woman.jpg

  • Jennifer R
  • hudson

    OT.
    so it is a fact that people take you for granted unless you don’t toot your own horn. the minutest thing you would have done by default you need to toot. i fucking hate this world. i don’t want to live in a world where you to have toot basics, man. i don’t want to be billable for turning a screw, you know what i mean?

    • Wolf Tracker

      Like the horn in your car use it sparingly but when the occasion calls for it toot it loud and long.

      • hudson

        good advice

  • anon_the_great

    When we do get single payer the paste eaters will take it in a NY Minute, all the while whining about how Libtards destroy everything.

  • shivaskeeper

    If they can pull it off, awesome. If they can’t, I hope they can at least fix some of the holes in the ACA.

    • jesterpunk

      The intentional holes the GOP themselves made because Obama supported it? They could fix a good amount of the holes by undoing Donny’s executive orders related to the ACA and telling red states to do what they are supposed to do and what blue states already do with the ACA.

      • Panika MCD

        I think several red states are doing what they’re supposed to do with the ACA. (TX, sadly, is not one of them.)

        • jesterpunk

          There are a few of them, having Texas involved would help a lot in getting the rest of the red states involved though.

          • Panika MCD

            no kidding. I’m still shocked that TX has single-payer for windstorm insurance PROVIDED BY THE STATE, but has not adopted the expanded Medicaid provisions! CURSES.

          • Up In Smoke O’hontas

            No kidding?! Crazy Smokodad has nearly a dozen random properties in FL, all within some flood zone or another, and I found out over the weekend that he has neither flood, nor wind damage insurance on another anything because, and I quote, “he wouldn’t be able to afford them,” if he did…
            …we’ll see what he can afford now. I suspect Texas learned that lesson long ago.
            *I have minimal patience with his poor choices after years of trying to talk him into being sensible. He’s a libertarian loon, but I’m still kinda fond of the old fucker.*

      • Three Finger Salute

        Congress can’t undo an XO. Only a president can. If we end up with Trump or Pence again in 2020 we’re toast.

      • shivaskeeper

        Some of those holes were just the way the law was written. Any legislation that big is going to have holes. That is inevitable. The failure is squarely on Congress for not fixing the holes.

    • hudson

      no no no. i have not seen problem solving impulse. only a problem creating impulse. scratch the scab and ignore the lesion of attitude.

    • hudson

      i don’t want to come across a geeky cassandra. but there exist multiple studies that show same disease, different social factors, different results. this is proven fact. zip-code is destiny. in fact, there are now several business propositions to tackle this same problem.

      • shivaskeeper

        I don’t understand what you are saying. No snark.

        • Three Finger Salute

          Cassandra was a Greek prophetess who wasn’t taken seriously even though she was right in her predictions. What Hudson is saying appears to be that one of the biggest “holes” in the ACA is that some states are allowed to opt out of the exchanges, thus depriving the people in their poorest neighborhoods of quality healthcare that people in better ones get. If you’re from zip code 90210, you’re going to have a great outcome if you get cancer; 48127 (one of many for Detroit), probably not.

          The only way to fix that is to have a national mandate that everyone gets an equal quality of care. But as America is and has always been a clusterfuck when it comes to not wanting to piss off the South (and its ideological ilk in other red states that came along later), we’re stuck with a separate-but-equal model no matter what, that leaves the poorest people in the poorest zip codes in the dust “for freedom.” Anything else is statist Marxism.

          • shivaskeeper

            I know Cassandra.

            The grammar was throwing me off.

            Yeah, that was one of the holes that needed to be fixed instead of exploited. Unfortunately until the makeup of Congress changes it won’t get fixed.

          • hudson

            sorry for the grammar. i transliterate to english atleast once. sometimes twice.

          • shivaskeeper

            I got it eventually. The richer someone is the better their medical outcome is going to be.

          • Three Finger Salute

            So… it won’t be fixed.

            The ACA has a built-in 3/5 compromise.

            The USA has always been defective by design.

          • shivaskeeper

            It can he changed. Some don’t want to put in the work, some want to exploit the loopholes. In either case they need to go.

        • hudson

          we need to be able to aspire to be better than better than ACA. What the is point of being the richest nation on earth otherwise?

          • shivaskeeper

            We do need to aspire to that. Of course we do. But if we have to do it a small step at a time, we have to do it a small step at a time.

            It’s either that, or just stop trying.

  • jesterpunk
  • AJ Milne

    So the weird-ass ice cream truck just hung out on my block for a few sets…

    It’s like 17°C, 7:30 in the evening, getting pretty dark… Seems not the time I’d be looking for ice cream. But I guess, y’know, when ya gotta have yer rocket popsicle, ya gotta have yer rocket popsicle…

    … credit where credit’s due, he’s expanded his repertoire a bit. Oddly, he now seems to alternate between the endless Turkey in the Straw and X, where X, this evening, was La Cucaracha, The Entertainer, and some other thing I know I should know the title of, but am not going to risk spraining anything to work out.

    Perhaps he heard of my previous criticisms. Still, I saw no one purchase anything. A child of my acquaintance assures me, however, that he _does_ serve ice cream type things to persons who request as much, so, at the very least, guy’s working his cover with a certain diligence.

    Stephen King needs to do a book with a demonic ice cream truck. Or has he already?

    • Anna Rompage

      Drug dealer….

    • SomeBigRedDog

      There used to be one in my neighborhood that played ice cream truck versions of Christmas songs all summer long. It was super weird.

      • Beautiful Soup

        We had that one too!! Quite sketchy.

    • anon_the_great

      For a minute I thought your Ice Cream Man was playing music from the greatest American rock band ever.

      • alpacapunchbowl

        They could pull it off.

    • Catstro

      He has a book where the murderous main character drives an ice cream truck, so yes.

      • AJ Milne

        It figures.

        It’s a related creepy to clowns, come to think of it. Something about the forced cheeriness, a thing that is _not_ at all a child aping childlike glee. And they’re often painted white and red, masking what’s within…

        (I’ve never actually been _terrified_ of clowns, but, honestly, always got definite if mild heeby jeebies off ’em, even those just making balloon animals. In fairness to their art, always kinda figured that’s a bit deliberate: trickster figures, not meant _just_ to make you laugh, exactly, so much as upend and disturb.)

        • Catstro

          I don’t like clowns. I didn’t as a kid—the forced cheerfulness and adult hiding their real face made me feel uneasy—and IT finished the job. I’m not petrified of clowns, just creeped out. Dolls, on the other hand…
          The creepyness of the ice cream truck has something to do with the tinny music, and with an adult stranger offering you a treat (even if it’s one you’re buying from them).

  • Serai 1
    • Ωbjectifier

      “The towers are gone now, reduced to bloody rubble, along with all hopes for Peace in Our Time, in the United States or any other country. Make no mistake about it: We are At War now — with somebody — and we will stay At War with that mysterious Enemy for the rest of our lives.”

      • Three Finger Salute

        Not to be all tinfoil but sometimes I wonder if he got snuffed. Yes, I know it was a suicide, but I’ve always wondered if there were other circumstances besides his age and health problems that led to that point.

        • Ωbjectifier

          “There he goes. One of God’s own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

        • Up In Smoke O’hontas

          I recall (dimly), that he had made statements to the effect of, “don’t be surprised if I turn up not alive,” prior to his demise. But then, I’m often, if not usually, wrong about these things.

    • Three Finger Salute

      PBUH. He’s right, you know. 0 hijackers were from Iraq. This was Saudi’s fault with Bush/Cheney/PNAC complicity to have a pretext for going after Saddam and “taking all that oil”. The real terrorists have never been held accountable and will never be held accountable because “when the president does something, that means it’s not illegal.” Not to mention it’s not “Islam” at the root but the Saudi-originated warped sickness of Wahabism. 0% of “Islamist” terrorists are Sufi or Ahmadiyya, and Iran is trying desperately to modernize (also, the reason they want nukes is because M.A.D. and “our allies” Saudi and Israel are fucking insane). Saying a “Muslim” is a terrorist is like saying there’s an equivalency between Jimmy Carter and Eric Rudolph referring to Christians, or Albert Schweitzer and Bibi Netanyahu referring to Jews.

      Calling it a “war on terror” is intentionally creating a moving and perpetually expanding target so that we’ll have to fight perpetual war. Always against brown terror too. If we really were fighting a war on terror, Dick Sphincter would be vilified at the same level as Abu Baghdadi. Instead, we have a Nazi in the White House declaring war on “a hateful foreign ideology” while conveniently ignoring the German-originated one that’s thriving at home.

  • Bub, the cynical zombie
  • Mr. Blobfish

    My NY Jets showed they totally capable of going 0-16 to get the first pick in next year’s draft. Which they will screw up. How did your sportsball teams do?

    • Anna Rompage

      My packers did great, beating Seattle yesterday, and while my fantasy team also won, my key players are not looking so hot…

      • Up In Smoke O’hontas

        The thing with the Packers is that they manage to make it look so fucking hard these days. I mean, you guys, your job is to do this!!! And they often get it done, but still…

    • Three Finger Salute

      (shrinks quietly in the corner as Patriots fan)

      • mancityRed6

        that 4th quarter, tho

    • mancityRed6

      KC beat the Pats, 42-27, but KU football lost central Michigan 45-27.

    • altleftjohn

      My favorite NFL team is Not Dallas.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        Lordy, I HATE the Cowboys.

        • NorthernSaber

          Has any team EVER enabled and coddled more violent douchebags than the Cowboys?

          • Ωbjectifier
          • WomanInThePersistence

            Yeah, I hate them too. And I don’t even watch the football.

          • NorthernSaber

            OK- the Raiders had their mystique and, ahem, “interesting” fans. The ‘Boys had Micheal Irvin and now feature Ezekiel Elliot, he of the 6-game suspension for domestic violence. And Jesus knows who else over the years.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            For a short period of time, I worked in a bar that catered to Raiders fans. Fuckers wouldn’t know how to tip if their lives depended on it.

          • NorthernSaber

            That’s just not right. When I was a gigging jazz guy I had a stock line about “please take care of the folks taking care of you” that I said at every set break. Always hoped it helped…

          • AJ Milne

            Logo reminds me of the Mitchell and Webb ‘are we the baddies’ skit, tho’.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            I grew up in the 70s, when the Cowgirls were a thing. I hated them soooooooooo much.

          • NorthernSaber

            Me too. Smug, entitled, and jaw-droppingly hypocritical.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Billie Jean King was my shero. Along with Wilma Rudolph and Althea Gibson. The Cowgirls were just so backward to me.

          • The Battle of the Sexes movie looks like a lot of fun.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            I am an oldz. I saw it for real. Granted, I was in elementary school.

          • I did not. I have been vaguely aware of it, but know very little

          • NorthernSaber

            Don’t think they’ve changed much over the years! Oh, fun fact: the fucking scoreboard in that monstrosity of a stadium they have now cost more than the ENTIRETY of Texas Stadium, their old home! I shit you not!

          • Up In Smoke O’hontas

            They burned my toast completely when they adopted the “America’s Team” motto in the 90s. Just fuck off, you entitled pricks! The Packers were originally Union meat packers. Gah! Now I’m pissed all over again!

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Please consider “they burned my toast completely” as stollen. Great phrase!

          • Up In Smoke O’hontas

            It’s an honor. Also too, please have, “It’s a horse crap apiece.” From my family to yours, and beyond!

          • WomanInThePersistence

            This could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

          • Up In Smoke O’hontas

            Cheers and cheese!

    • ContextIsKey

      My favorite teams had to cancel due to wind and rain. And storm surge.

      • Up In Smoke O’hontas

        The Bucs are my back-up team. They’re good pirates, and may they be blessed with several wins this year. In FSM’s name, ramen.

        • ContextIsKey

          Arrrrgh, the wind be damned.

    • wait! what?

      Nadal closed all the tennisers down at the US Open. He spins his balls at greater than 3,000 rpm and can still sprint off the court when he’s finished.

    • NorthernSaber

      Newcastle United took three points on the road from Swansea, giving the Magpies 6 points across the last two matches. Oh, and Liverpool got smoked 5-0 by Man City, so money can’t buy everything, apparently.

    • Martini Ambassador 🍸

      I think my never-checked, never-updated, default-mode fantasy team might have won, so yay?

    • The seagull flaps in darkess?

  • Rachel Book Harlot

    Every single event Hilz is holding in NYC for her book tour is sold out.

    • Wolf Tracker

      Yipeee!

      I am working on my snark.

      How was work?

      • Rachel Book Harlot

        Work was good. I am now having some dinner and relaxing. :)

        How was your day?

        • Wolf Tracker

          Good- took a long ride out through the hills and let the dog chase rabbits.

          I am not eating green chili enchilada’s right now.

          • Rachel Book Harlot

            Sounds great on both counts! I’m just finishing up a turkey lasagna.

  • UnsaltedSinner

    If only he had written “it was how we handled the email story”, he would have been right. But then he wouldn’t be Chris Cillizza.
    https://twitter.com/CillizzaCNN/status/907280905563144194

  • Serai 1
    • altleftjohn

      Good thing he wasn’t selling loose cigarettes.

    • jesterpunk

      “Yeah, well he doesn’t have a permit. He doesn’t have a permit,” the officer responds. “Yep, this is law and order in action … Thank you for your support.”

      Sounds like something Trump would say.

    • TJ Barke

      And cops wonder why people hate them…

  • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

    (CNN)The United Nations Security Council unanimously adopted a US-drafted resolution to impose new sanctions on North Korea on Monday — a move that comes just one week after the rogue nation carried out its sixth and largest nuclear test.

    • Was Russia off sick?

      • mackafritz

        They’ll cheat anyway.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      This will make for some bellicosity… all around…

    • Wolf Tracker

      More sanctions- like that has not been tried before.

      Here is an idea- remove all the sanctions and let them rejoin the modern world with the warning if you ever fire another missile we will drop a bomb on your palace.

      Not on all of NK just on you Kim!

      • shivaskeeper

        NK does not want to join the modern world. By that I mean the Kim dynasty.

        • Wolf Tracker

          The KIm dynasty is the problem. Most NK are scared and would be happy to see them gone from what I have studied. They know they and their families would be killed if they ever said anything against them.

          • shivaskeeper

            A few things.
            First, I’m going to need a citation for the majority of North Koreans going to be happy if Kim is removed. It’s not like there are more than a handful of people in the country who even remember a time before the Kim dynasty. They are indoctrinated into the mythology from birth. Since 1948 it’s all they have known.

            Second, how would you propose to North Korea be rid of him? I can’t think of any example from history of any all powerful dictator voluntarily stepping down. That just does not happen. So lifting all sanctions and just hoping he’ll either step down, or suddenly behave and act like a citizen of the world is naive at best. There are three real options. (1) The citizens rise up and depose him, which is not going to happen. (2) Assassination by an outside agency, including a targeted strike, with the entire shit show that would follow. (3) Full scale invasion and war, but if you go that route you had better be prepared to kill every man, woman, and child who can pick up a weapon because they will all fight, not to mention China would get involved.

            There is no good option for the DPRK. None.

    • Three Finger Salute

      We’re a rogue nation with nukes, governed by a psychotic wannabe dictator. Shouldn’t the UN sanction the USA?

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      Serious question: why in the Wide World of Sports would North Korea trust the United States?

    • Serai 1

      I just read Suki Kim’s book Without You, There Is No Us, about the time she spent teaching elite NK youth in Pyongyang. Holy shit, what a SAD book. It’s fucking heartbreaking. There is no solution to NK. Just none. The country’s been closed off, and the people been utterly, thoroughly brainwashed, for too long. There’s no way out of where they are. I fear things will get ugly sooner rather than later.

      • Alexander Stallwitz

        Its a little dated but “Under the loving care of the Fatherly Leader” is really good too and my go to book for North Korea.

  • WomanInThePersistence
    • Three Finger Salute

      Episode 119? 911 backwards?

      I hope Keith plays Trump’s speech backwards and points out that it sounds just as dumb. It also says “Democracy is dead.”

    • I wish Keith would take the day off.

      If all he has is “Trump waited until the AFTERNOON to tweet” instead of “fetishising” the exact time(s) of the original attacks?

      Weak sauce.

  • TootsStansbury

    It cracks me up, well ok it makes me weep in frustration, that the GOP can’t let the Dems get away with popular legislation like Medicare and Social Security because they’re spiteful, hateful assholes. Really, that’s all they are. Spiteful, racist, hateful assholes. Nothing more, nothing less. They need to be mightily shoved back under their rocks.

    • Résistance Land Shark Ω

      “We’re gonna need moar rocks.”

    • Three Finger Salute

      I don’t know how to do that with votes. But I posted below that single-payer is going to be a really, really messy if not damn near impossible uphill battle that makes Iwo Jima look like a game of hopscotch. Besides the fact that we can’t pay for it without taxes, and the irrational philosophy of America’s natural governing majority party that taxes are sin and shouldn’t exist, there’s the bloodsport of the culture war that will never be won, at least not in our favor. A truly comprehensive single-payer program would require the repeal of the Hyde Amendment. We’ve already seen how the religious freaks are willing to go to battle in a fucking cage match not to have to pay for birth control, let alone abortion. LGBT-related medical treatment is another fight, and then there’s the matter of who is allowed to be covered under it (“illegals” not welcome, and I doubt the GOP will allow prisoners or ex-cons to be eligible either — they’re already disqualified from the safety net altogether, and so they end up back in prison). We’re actually losing ground on the culture wars, and that can’t be decoupled from the healthcare battle. So we’re looking at being stuck with a zombie cripple Obamacare or nothing at all because the Bible humpers and racists won’t go away.

    • TJ Barke

      Don’t forget greedy and selfish.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Greedy Old Plutocrats

      • shivaskeeper

        You got it before I did. Greed is one of the prime motivators for them. Short term greed at that.

  • Wolf Tracker

    Anthony Bourdain season 10 starts this month and I will watch it.

    I have never liked cooking or food shows but I like his.

  • Beanz&Berryz

    OTT Lite: SO, when and why did the height of urinals start rising? I mean, I’m not short, I have a not bad 32″ inseam, but more and more urinals are of a height of like 30″… that’s not alot of clearance! Well, technically, none at all if I “just standing there,” of course… but what was so wrong with Low Urinals?

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      man, I’m 5’8″, but I still use the kiddy/short guy’s urinal (which is awkward when there’s 10 urinals and one dude is using the one next to the short guy’s urinal.

      • Beanz&Berryz

        Ya, Not being the Chit-Chatty Guy at the Next Urinal is an important skill for urinal usage…

    • Panika MCD

      really? they’ve been lowering the height of several of the toilets in the Pink Dome and I have no idea why. I’m short, but I’m not that short.

      • Beanz&Berryz

        Well, a Damn Oldz Partner at a place I used to work long ago, during an office remodel, had read that there are certain gastro-intestinal benefits to low squatting… getting us closer to our forebears, figuratively speaking, so he made sure at least one toilet in each restroom was a G-I-Positive-Low Squat one… I don’t know if that Old Partnerz Tale about the benefits of such things is true…

        • Panika MCD

          I just lift my knees to do that. no reason I need to land hard on the seat!

        • PigDootsMolloy
        • Persistent Tennessee Rain

          ”Tis true. There’s now a thing on the market which is essentially a foot stool for the toilet. I believe it is called the “squatty potty” but I don’t feel like looking up even if the googles is right next door to the wonketteria

          • Panika MCD

            still, nothing beats the reviews for the I-potty.

            https://www.amazon.com/CTA-Digital-iPotty-Activity-Seat/dp/B00B3G8UGQ

          • Persistent Tennessee Rain

            Nothing like giving a toddler an excuse to never use the big potty. You know. The one that flushes! Sheesh

          • Panika MCD

            cannot be used with toddlers either.

          • Beanz&Berryz

            Grrrr…. WIth my little one parenting done before the electronics-always craze, those sorts things make me crazy… Right up there with a 4 yr old who should be walking or scooting or biking, driving a feckin’ plastic electric car during a family walk… But one thing for I-potty, the fecal bacteria count on your I-pad won’t be lagging the neighbors’…

          • Panika MCD

            READ THE REVIEWS. you will not regret it. also too: they just added that the thing should not be used with children 3 and under because it could be a choking hazard.

          • Beanz&Berryz

            Knees up! Or as the signs say at the tops of chair lifts, Tips Up!

          • Beanz&Berryz

            Didn’t Mary Tyler Moore bring one of those to Dick Van Dyke in the opening sequence of their TV show?

      • Wolf Tracker

        Not….taking…the….bait…

        • Beanz&Berryz

          It’s a political thing…

          • Up In Smoke O’hontas

            It usually is…

    • Wolf Tracker

      Man 1: The water is cold.

      Man 2 : And deep.

      • Beanz&Berryz

        Exactly! Likewise, my Complaint about these things is… if I were any shorter or any longer…

    • shivaskeeper

      It’s about time if you ask me. But I have a 38″ inseam.

      • Panika MCD
        • Beanz&Berryz

          LOL! They are more diversity-sensitive than Libz Portland…

          Hmm.. but 3 different models… It’s a Show Room!

        • shivaskeeper

          The one on the left please. But it’s probably still to low.

        • Would make more sense if it auto adjusted for height. Or you just pee in the sink. 😋

          • Beanz&Berryz

            Ya… but even a low sink is higher than a high urinal… so I’ve been told…

      • Beanz&Berryz

        Ahh… So you weren’t a fan of the Long Shot?

    • Count Awesome

      Man, the Trump administration is lowering the standards for EVERYTHING.

  • I am currently waiting to see if my mom wants to go see Hillz with me in a couple of weeks.

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      I’m so jealous! Buy those tix quick because they sell out fast.

    • Three Finger Salute
      • Lord Jim

        Is dat you?

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      I wish I could see her. I’m glad I saw her during the campaign when I had the chance.

      • I am still mad at my mom for not getting us tickets to hear Bill speak years ago.

        • Moebym of the Returners

          I’m mad at mine for getting to shake Carter’s hand. I’ve always wanted to meet him.

      • Moebym of the Returners

        The one time I saw her in person, I was like 20 yards away, just another head in a sea of humanity.

        I was just ten feet away from Bill once, but he never came down to shake hands.

        Always so close, but never close enough.

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          I was right up front, it was great. It was in Cinci with Elizabeth warren so it was really exciting.

          • Moebym of the Returners

            Sweet! I once got to shake the hands of Liz Warren and then-Senatorial candidate Catherine Cortez Masto (D-NV). Liz especially was so warm and friendly in person, and made an instant fan out of me.

          • Three Finger Salute

            I got to shake Liz Warren’s hand at a campus visit. Also saw her at a commencement ceremony (different school). Great speech both times, and a wonderful person all-around.

          • Old town Urbandale

            My newlywed wife got all swoony talking to Chip Carter at a 1980 campaign event. This was in the days before the Iowa caucuses went big time and candidates and their families were behind every tree.

    • Martini Ambassador 🍸

      I shook her hand about 25 years ago (at a Bill for Pres event) and I *still* haven’t washed that hand.

    • Sister Suffragette

      I’m seeing her next Monday!

    • Lord Jim

      We demand pics and in-depth reportage! Lucky dodo!

  • Jennifer R
    • Wolf Tracker

      While I do not want youth held in adult jails when they build more facilities it means they need to keep them full so more youth sentenced instead of working with the family to keep them out of the system.

      • Jennifer R

        It’s a 50 person facility to replace a 35 person facility when the city had been averaging 15 per day the last several years.
        It’s a waste of money.

        • Panika MCD

          it depends. if they installed health and mental health clinics as well as other protections for the civil rights of the inmates, the price tag makes sense.

          • Jennifer R

            Baltimore is the city that was selling convictions in juvenile court to private prisons.

          • Panika MCD

            I’d check the cost breakdown. I’m not one to think that jurisdictions can’t turn their bullshit around.

    • ariel_gee_398

      Worth the clickthrough to find out the facility will house, on average, 15 kids. But no, don’t spend that money improving schools or the foster care system, or public housing.

    • Lord Jim

      THAT couldn’t possibly portend bad things. Nope. :/

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    I’d be disappointed if they weren’t
    https://twitter.com/nypost/status/907248567563276289

    • Count Awesome

      I hope they fuck me to death then.

      • CO

        Death by snoo snoo

        • Bub, the cynical zombie

          Please! I must rest! The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy & bruised!

    • mackafritz

      No Three Laws of Robotics?

      • Serai 1

        No, we’re too fucking stupid for anything as obvious as that. I think we’ve proved that over and over with the fucking internet already.

    • Willert

      every sperm is sacred

    • Wolf Tracker

      Not sure if I am more freaked out by the robot head or the hairy arm holding it with long brunette hair?

    • gallbladder

      What a way to go.

    • Granny Sprinkles

      At some point they’ll cease being murdery sexbots and become sexy murderbots.

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      Of course they will. It was just a matter of time.

      http://s2.dmcdn.net/LmcBi/x240-Bzu.jpg

      • Serai 1

        They’re behind schedule, though. The revolution was supposed to happen twenty years ago.

    • altleftjohn

      This is disgusting. Surely God will punish us for such abominations. How standards have fallen in our poor republic. I intend to die of autoerotic asphyxiation like a gentleman.

      • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

        David Carradine Libelz!1!111 Or is that Michael Hutchence Libelz!1!!1
        Why Not Both!!11!

    • jesterpunk

      So the Incel’s will go from no one wanting to have sex with them to robots who will kill them?

      • TJ Barke

        It’s for the best.

        • jesterpunk

          I mean I am not really seeing a downside to this.

      • Serai 1

        BEST. ENDING. EVER.

        • SomeBigRedDog

          PLOT TWIST!

    • SomeBigRedDog

      I mean the goal is to be as realistic as possible isn’t it?

    • spangled

      this is just the plot of ex machina. smash the patriarchy robo ladies!
      i, for one, welcome our new sex robot overlords.

    • Serai 1

      Well, DUH.

  • CO
  • Serai 1

    For those of you wot like the alkyhol, John Townsend’s got a recipe for you:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKAk2c8KfNE

  • TJ Barke

    Why can’t I just be dead… fucking lady, it’s after five… take your dog and go home…

    • Replace the dog with a pumpkin?

      • TJ Barke

        That won’t make her leave any sooner…

    • Panika MCD

      asking a lady if you can pet her puppy is a great opening line…just sayin’.

      • TJ Barke

        That’s not really applicable here…

      • Beanz&Berryz

        Safer than her kitty…

        • Panika MCD

          yeah, trying to grab her by the pussy or steal her purse are not great openers.

          • Beanz&Berryz

            Even asking nicely can just come out sounding wrong…

    • Jonny On Maui

      TJ, you’ve always struck me as somewhat like myself in more homicidal than suicidal…

      • TJ Barke

        Depends on how the day goes…

  • Wolf Tracker

    Feinstein: Trump Jr will appear in public before Senate Judiciary ‘come hell or highwater’

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/feinstein-trump-jr-will-appear-in-public-before-senate-judiciary-come-hell-or-highwater/

    Get ’em Feinstein!

  • Left Coast Tom

    With much of Montana being on fire, today’s Nice Time picture is from there, in 2007. Unfortunately, when I was there much of northern Idaho was on fire, and Montana is downwind…here’s a picture that wasn’t impacted by all that smoke. Helen Lake, Glacier NP.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9151c511917d5e29cb7c1ecc6378128b59f876bd0cbbc7118776f9c15821cdd6.jpg

    • Moebym of the Returners

      Gotta go out and enjoy America’s beautiful natural landscapes before they all burn down or get violated by big business.

      • Three Finger Salute

        “Googleface National Futureworld, Sponsored By Exxon and Monsanto”

        Formerly known as Yellowstone National Park.

      • Left Coast Tom

        Go visit them anyway! Let the visitation numbers speak.

    • Wolf Tracker

      Nice!

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Glacier has had a rough time this year…

      • Royal Ugly Globalist Dude

        It don’t got much glacier left in it.

        • Beanz&Berryz

          And that’s even before this year’s fires…

    • Three Finger Salute
      • Wolf Tracker

        There ya go!

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      Amazing to think those mountains formed in just six thousand years…/s

      • Left Coast Tom

        …give or take several tens of millions, in the case of the Laramide Orogeny…

  • Bub, the cynical zombie
    • Serai 1
    • CripesAmighty

      Ha they really lit him up. Wonder how he’s gonna respond when dealing with someone with ‘fuck you’ money.

      • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

        Woods is blocking people. He needs to “delete your account”.

    • Wait, James woods wants to date a gay teen????

      • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

        No, James Woods was commenting on a movie about a gay couple, where one person is 24 and the other is 17. Which is legal in most states. James Woods is over 60 and likes to date teenagers and young women. Acts like a stalker too. Skeezy.

        • Lord Jim

          It’s OK If You’re Het.

  • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶
    • Augustus

      Hayleigh is a good one

  • Serai 1

    This’ll be fun.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAon04ZJhHE

    Can’t wait for the outrage.

    • TJ Barke

      Dey terk ar jerbs!

    • Three Finger Salute

      “SOUTH PARK GOES FULL SJW REEEEEEEEEEEEE”

      no stupid, they make fun of the excesses on the right and the left.

    • Juan de Fuca

      “South Park used to be funny. I dunno what happened to them.”

      • Serai 1

        Ignoring every other time they’ve gotten political. :D

  • Lord Jim

    Still in a funk over Clinton’s announcement that she will no longer seek pubic office. It breaks my heart to think that someone with so much knowledge and experience and who has already weathered so much might be backing out for fear that she has been toxified.

    GOD. DAMMIT.

    • Panika MCD

      doesn’t mean she can’t do great things. just look at Jimmy Carter!

      • I think they’ll restart CGI

        • Three Finger Salute

          I know you mean Clinton Global Initiative (the “pizza” foundation at the center of those wacko conspiracies), but I was kind of hoping for “CGI” meaning a Hologram Hillary and Computerized Carter to outlast their respective organic lifespans.

          • Lord Jim

            Please GOD make that happen!

    • Moebym of the Returners

      IKR? But I know she will continue to lead in her own way, on her own terms.

    • Serai 1

      It might just be because she’s nearly 70 years old and can’t handle the unbelievable pressure and stress of yet another campaign. If she says she knows when she can’t anymore, I’m not gonna argue with her. Woman’s given quite enough of her life to a fucking ungrateful nation, I think.

      • Lord Jim

        You’re right, of course, but I’m mostly said that the NYT, et al won. They finally brought her down. I hope she starts a foundation for ethics in journalism.

        • Rachel Book Harlot

          I feel your pain, LJ. This breaks my heart as well. She would have been the first woman president, and they stole that milestone from her. I can’t even imagine how she must have felt after the election. But man, look how many people it took to take her down, though — from the antics of Comey all the way to a freaking hostile foreign government — and she still won the popular vote. That says something.

    • Marceline

      I hope she runs for something like Comptroller of the Chappaqua Ladies Auxiliary just so Chris Cillizza can have a stroke.

    • Wolf Tracker

      Some people can do more good from the outside than from an office.

      Take a look at Kamala Harris. I like her.

      • Left Coast Tom

        I like Kamala Harris, as well. And, on the bright side, were she to run and win she’d have more experience than Barack Obama did, having been California AG and San Francisco DA.

        I was hoping she could run in 2024, after 8 years of a Clinton Presidency, with 10 years in the Senate (instead of 4) on top of her other experience.

    • Saxo the Grammarian

      Well, you know…

      President Harris could appoint her to something.

      But I’m getting ahead of myself. 2018, bitches!

    • Three Finger Salute

      Still in a funk over Clinton’s announcement that she will no longer seek pubic office.

      Public office! Bill can’t be president anymore either…

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      It isn’t really fear, though, is it? The last thing you could ever call our Hillz is “fearful.” It’s probably something closer to disgust. Sadness. Righteous anger. “I can’t even with this shit” type of thing. I’m so, so, so sad.

      • Jesse

        I want her to spend all her time having an absolute blast. Publicly. It’ll be the ultimate ‘fuck you’ to the anti-Clinton assholery.

      • Lord Jim

        I was thinking more out of fear that somehow she might bring harm to Democrats in the future, because of the shit that has been smeared on her.

        • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

          Yeah, that could make sense. What dicks people are. And it’s still mostly Putin & his trolls.

    • Rags

      Cabinet posish in 2020?

  • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶
    • TJ Barke

      Ba dum tsss.

      • weejee

        rim shot in text, sweet.

        • TJ Barke

          I’m on my phone, otherwise I would have linked to a youtube vid.

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      Doh. That’s embarrassing.

    • Lord Jim

      That is SO. FUCKING. AWESOME.

    • Christopher Story

      The only way that could be any better is if he ended up setting himself on fire instead.

    • Jesse

      We found a job-killing regulation everybody! First time for everything…

    • YoBunnyBunny

      #THWARTED!!!

  • Three Finger Salute

    Yikes. Helluva war of words is turning into a political disaster amid the natural one.

    Mexico reverses offer to give aid to Texas for Hurricane Harvey, and U.S. refusal to send them help for “Hurriquake” Katia may be why

    I wouldn’t be surprised if DACA and Trump’s continual fit-pulling about NAFTA and the fucking border wall are part of it too. Shame on our government for not sending Mexico aid just to score points with the racist rubes. Are they so fucking stupid that they don’t realize Mother Nature would wreak havoc on their precious border wall? Wait — of course they are. They’re Republicans.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Australia… Mexico… If we can piss off those guys….

      • Three Finger Salute

        Do we even have allies anymore, other than thug countries like Russia, Saudi, the Philippines and (yes) Israel? We basically blew off two whole continents in South America and Africa. Three if you count doing nothing about climate change and letting Antarctica disappear. The rest of Latin America hates us as a bunch of anti-Hispanic racists. Mexico in particular, for numerous obvious reasons.

        The “E.U.” is a clusterfuck where the former Eastern Bloc is more or less the Europutin Union ideologically, but Merkel said we can’t be trusted as a “reliable ally” anymore, Macron not so subtly trolled Trump with “make the planet great again,” and even Theresa Mayhem doesn’t want him throwing more gasoline on the fire of their unstable terrorism situation. The rest of the countries can’t stand him either, and I think it was the Scandis who mocked that glowing orb meme by putting their hands on a soccer ball at G7 or G20. The Aussies have their share of RWNJs too, but after Trump yelled at Turnbull and slammed down the phone over the refugees I don’t think they’re going to look fondly upon us either. (Turnbull was already caught on a hot mic making fun of Trump, so now we know how he really feels.)

        Canada isn’t our “new found friend” anymore, no matter how much patient and polite snake-charming Trudeau has to do, because NAFTA is about to tank now that we’ve for all intents and purposes accused them of a communist infiltration for making “treat your workers like human beings” a condition of the renegotiated treaty. By right, he should have decided to snub us for the entire 4 or 8 years the orange asshole stays in office, the minute that radicalized Charles Martel wannabe in Québec pulled a Dylan Roof at a mosque after having watched too many goddamn MAGA videos and reacting to Trudeau’s #RefugeesWelcome tweet like it was a fucking declaration of war. He has every right to give Trump and the GOP a Salmon Arm Salute for “Making Justin Castro Again” in the eyes of sacrosanct big business, for just showing some decency and humanity.

        But, we’re doing so much winning, believe me, we just keep winning all the time.

    • gallbladder

      ‘Cause nothing says “winning” like appealing to the fringes.

    • Panika MCD

      totally fair. (not that we don’t need aid still, just that a Hurriquake is not a cool thing to hit MX with, god. they didn’t even go on Dancing With the Stars!)

  • weejee
    • Three Finger Salute

      Actually I don’t see anything wrong with that as long as the person wants to die. And that it’s not limited just to the olds, but to anyone who makes the autonomous decision to shuffle off this mortal coil.

      “Suicide is painless, and you can take or leave it if you please.”

    • SomeBigRedDog

      SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson
    • Jonny On Maui

      Shocked I tell you, shocked I say…

  • Wolf Tracker

    Watchdog sues Treasury over Mnuchin’s eclipse trip

    The Treasury Department has failed to provide information on Secretary Steve Mnuchin’s high-profile use of a government plane while traveling with his luxury-loving wife to Kentucky last month to check out the solar eclipse and Fort Knox, a new lawsuit argued Monday.

    Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington claimed in the suit that Treasury officials had failed to respond — at all — to the group’s expedited Freedom of Information Act request filed August 23.

    An expedited federal FOIA request requires a response of some kind within 10 days, though there are exceptions for “unusual circumstances,” such as a high level of requests, according to the Department of Justice.

    The August 21 eclipse trip gained notoriety when Mnuchin’s wife, actress Louise Linton, posted a glamorous picture of herself and Mnuchin getting off a federal jet — with a caption that named each of the designer brands she was wearing, including Hermes, Tom Ford and Valentino.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/watchdog-sues-treasury-over-mnuchins-eclipse-trip/

    Your tax money at work!

    • Three Finger Salute

      “Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington”?

      Might as well start a subsidiary called “Citizens for Airborne Porcine Mammals.”

      • CripesAmighty

        CREW does good work. They’re dogged and often effective (they played a susbstantial role in exposing Martin Shkreli, for example).

    • AJ Milne

      Again reminded of:

      http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/25/anti-corruption-populists-tend-to-be-more-corrupt-report-says/

      … they don’t speculate on the psychology of it, or not beyond the observation that populists tend to ride resentment of corruption, real or perceived, into power, with no real intent to address it…

      … I wonder also though if: when you talk every day about how everyone’s on the take, you normalize it to _yourself_. Then when you’re next to the till yourself, it’s like, hey, everyone does it, right?

      The absurdity being: such a populist could replace a government that had really nothing more than the usual problems of the limitations of oversight at larger scales… with one that was all grift, all the time….

      Oh. Wait. Did I say ‘could’?

      (Scratch for ‘did’.)

      • Three Finger Salute

        “Anti-corruption populists tend to be more corrupt”

        Gee, that’s interesting. Anti-sex preachers and theocrat pols tend to be kiddy fiddlers too. Rules for thee but not for me.

        • AJ Milne

          I’d have to dig around, definitely have it somewhere, but yeah, it’s not just perception: more ‘traditional’ daddy-as-the-head-of-the-household and conservative/authoritarian religious practices are correlated with higher rates of sexual abuse… Can’t recall whether that’s specifically of minors or more generally…

          … just trivially, you’d figure maybe because the combination of the ‘shameful’ view of most if not all sexual behaviour, added to the general insular nature of such arrangements would contribute, sure…

          … but I wonder yet again if it’s also about the constant noise about it. A lot of these figures and traditions are big on that, the sinfulness of the world, the power of temptation. Draw a picture about how everything outside their own little bubble is the devil’s playground, where this stuff just goes on _all_ _the_ _time_ and is oh so tempting…

          And, again, I’d think it would tend to normalize. And they’d get to thinking hey, I’m just doing what _everyone_ does. Talk up a devil, and thereby, effectively, create one.

    • Mehmeisterjr

      Didn’t her long, angel hair already blot out the sun?

  • WomanInThePersistence

    For no other reason than that I need to step away from politics and the sadness of the day for a few minutes.. It’s all in the perspective.

    https://youtu.be/XfcC6FYyL4U

  • Panika MCD

    I’m starting to get a little scared:

    a bunch of moderate Republicans have announced that they are not running for re-election in TX. that means that instead of defending those seats, the moderate GOP will have to re-win them. only one state rep has announced she will be primarying one of the Freedumb Cacas in the state senate. and, to be fair, the rep in question, Cindy Burkett, is REALLY REALLY Pro-Life. also to be fair, she carried as many REAL pro-life bills as she does anti-abortion ones. and to be even moar better fair, she’s primarying the one who thinks ISIS and space aliens will attack ERCOT (the TX electric grid).

    • Panika MCD

      I’m not sold on Dems taking those seats without a BIG investment by KeepTXOpen, but we also too don’t have that many people running for seats in the state lege because 200 people decided to run for Congress instead. way to waste resources, kids.

      • Beanz&Berryz

        This is the 3-D Chess of politics that makes my head spin…

        • Panika MCD

          I wouldn’t say that 5 people per primary on average for 25 Congressional seats held by Republicans being a bad idea is 3D chess. what will the primary winner have left for the general?

          • Beanz&Berryz

            5!? People, people, people… You’re right… THAT’S just people being dumb… Why run for something so mundane as… anything below Congress…

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Why are the moderates stepping aside? Old, or just tired of it? And, these seats are safely Republican, so the choice is Mod or RWNJ?

      • Panika MCD

        see comment below on second question. it seems they are stepping down because they are sick of the bullshit. at least one of them is running for judge again in his home county.

        • Beanz&Berryz

          Home county makes way more sense than the home country I first read…

          • Panika MCD

            hoping you’ve understood that when I use “Co.” I usually mean “county” and not “company” this whole time.

          • Beanz&Berryz

            I get there eventually…

        • Lord Jim

          That’s what I feared. They’re ceding ground to the political terrorists. Democrats, take heed.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      This does not sound like it will end well, since “moderate Texas Republican” is practically an endangered species as it is.

      • Panika MCD

        not in state houses.

    • Lord Jim

      Any intuition on why the moderates are bugging?

      • Lord Jim

        OK. Looking below…

      • Panika MCD

        it doesn’t take intuition they’re pretty clear on being sick of the bullshit Freedumb Cacas bring and feeling the need to shore up local governments by being a part of them.

  • Saxo the Grammarian

    “Medicare for All” is a terrific sound byte that explains universal single-payer health care in three irrefutable words. This is something that Bill Clinton was good at – explaining policy in terms that even Jim Hoft could understand.

    • Wolf Tracker

      Even Reps love Medicare but call it single payer and they will hit you with their canes for promoting communism.

    • redarmyzombie

      “…explaining policy in terms that even Jim Hoft could understand.”

      Now, let’s not set our expectations *too* high…

      • Saxo the Grammarian

        I think Bill can handle the pressure.

    • Three Finger Salute

      But then Fox News will explain that “for all” includes “sluts,” “queers,” “thugs” (we know what word that’s a substitute for), “terrorists,” and “illegals,” and then you’ll get the same tiki torch brigade shouting about how unfair it is that a “nice” little (white) grandma who’s “paid her dues” gets the same equivalent treatment as a “lawless far-left thug” or a “sexual predator.”

      • Then it is up to us to make sure everyone knows it is ALSO for Bubba, Jim Bob, Courtney, Kortney and Kjourtknee

        • NellCote71

          Don’t forget Hayley, Haighleigh and Hailee.

          • Three Finger Salute

            But only if the Haileys are good Christian girls who marry daddy’s purity balls and don’t do evil sin things like kissing boys — or girls, for that matter. Also, INOKIHIBoB (it’s not OK if “Hailey” is black or brown).

        • Three Finger Salute

          But if it’s not for Jamal, Ahmed, José, Neil-Patrick, and (I dunno?) Zoe (the Gamergate girl), they’ll still oppose it with the fire of a thousand brimstones. (Or something like that.)

      • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

        All you have to do is go back 30 years and see what they did to Hillary when she came up with Universal Health Care. I’d like to think people know better than to believe lies now, but …..

    • Serai 1

      It’s a very nice idea, but as usual Bernie has no idea how he’ll actually get it done. Haven’t we learned yet?

  • Moebym of the Returners

    The Dem candidates for 2020 are lining up to support this bill.

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/907394353773113344

    • Wolf Tracker

      Making a stand- good to hear!

    • Serai 1

      Yes, let’s just abandon Obama’s signature legislation, which he intended as a BEGINNING to be built and improved upon, in order to back a pie-in-the-sky daydream put forth by the guy who FUCKED THE ELECTION.

      Yeah, that’s logic.

      • jesterpunk

        Dont you know you cant improve any bill ever? You have to throw the whole thing in the trash first then write an entirely new bill to change anything.

        But really your right its easier to get somewhere when you are 75% of the way there and just make tweaks to get that last 25% then it is to go back to the start then hope you can get what you want.

        • Arolpin

          I’m just hoping that this will scare enough Rs into agreeing to fixing the ACA, like saying that Medicaid expansion is a requirement, etc.

        • Serai 1

          Bernie’s raging hardon for tearing things down in favor of his ice cream promises.

      • Moebym of the Returners

        I do agree, though this at least looks good. Good optics.

      • Lord Jim

        What are the possibilities of adding a public option to the ACA?

        Not good, I assume.

        • Serai 1

          Better than getting a new package of REALLY socialized medicine passed.

          • Lord Jim

            I think it tracks Obama’s intention (if I understand it rightly) to let the ACA pave the way for universal health care by starting small and letting people appreciate its benefits, then gradually trading up.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson
  • Jonny On Maui

    We’re at 3000 feet up the side of Haleakala. 20 minutes away is Baby Beach, Sprecklesville Area. Punch that into Google maps.

    Today was eel day. We saw a pair of a favorite, the Snowflake,

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/77484d3bd7c41ae6d4eda0b2a5871482c708511db7d7e05ecd66fc16a3326169.jpg

    A juvenile Zebra moray, just about 6 inches long, https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1b5d41ef5780cd831b31b9cab6dc981712e4fef79f1416ef49d2daca9663d1bc.jpg

    And something new and well, the Magnificent Snake eel,

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9d253c0ce85c70f5d9a9bc7598e6110b754eb059a50d8d1d5753adae6d08b5c1.jpg

    Tomorrow is Honolua Bay…

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      Wow. That’s amazing.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      GET THEM OUT OF MY DAMN HOVERCRAFT IMMEDIATELY!!!11!

    • Three Finger Salute

      Yeah, that is one “snowflake” who ought not be messed with.

    • I camped across Maui for a couple weeks back in the paleozoic. One thing I’ll never forget was surfing in the morning, a few beers for lunch, and wicked altitude sickness in the late afternoon as I made my way up Haleakala to the top…..only to retreat immediately because I was so ill.

      • Jonny On Maui

        That happened to us the last time we went up there. That was also the last time we’re going up there! It is a beautiful view tho…

    • My hovercraft is full of eels.

  • Jennifer R

    Any legal scholars wanna help out?
    Some prick faked a friend’s landlord and had his car towed. The landlord said they didn’t do it. What does my friend do?

    • Beanz&Berryz

      I don’t know squat, but if the towing company responded to a fake tow order, that ought to be on them…

    • Panika MCD

      in most states, the landlord would need to be involved. the impersonation should be illegal and most places won’t tow a car unless the owner of the property calls.

      • Jennifer R

        Arizona has laws that apply to people?

        • Panika MCD

          I said “in most states” because I can only keep up with so much. you’ll have to check, but I believe in this case it applies to the property and the property owner…like GOD intended when he wrote the Constitution…?

          • Jennifer R

            Right now he is filing police reports about the truck and the death threats he is getting now.

          • …death threats? WHAT?

          • Jennifer R

            Furry Nazis are messing with a leftie friend of mine because he did a lot of the charge leading to get them banned everywhere. So one now one of them is sending death threats over open twitter.

    • File a complaint to the cops. If they did it under false pretense like that they are under deep doo doo

    • Wolf Tracker

      Person that called for the tow would be on the tow record and get him to put it in writing he didn’t have it towed.

    • jesterpunk

      Reddit is normally terrible but the legal advice sub has some good advice.

      https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2ziy8d/my_neighbors_posed_as_my_landlord_to_the_police/

      As Jen said file a police report first and see if they can get their landlord to also talk to the police.

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      Sounds like theft to me.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      As others said, file a police report. Make sure the police know the landlord says they didn’t do it. Once the tow truck company gets told they may be an accessory to grand theft auto, they’ll quickly want to make it go away.

  • IdiokraticCulturalMarxist
    • Not Nov 22? Dec 7? April 12?
      Americans are such short term memory

      • Bub, the cynical zombie

        21st century…

      • Moebym of the Returners

        (Psst…21st Century.)

        • Oh. Did not erm. Well yes.
          ahem.
          Punch and pie?

          • Beanz&Berryz

            They did that so gently!

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef
          • Arolpin

            The most underappreciated 10 seconds in the greatest episode of any TV show, ever.

          • Bub, the cynical zombie

            We are none of us prefect.

          • Lord Jim

            I am FAR more imperfect than you. *Harumph*

        • Three Finger Salute

          What about November 7, 2000?

          That’s where all of this started. In European style, that’s 7/11.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson
  • re: Sputnik…

    Just because you’re not paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3e9e7786d9914b4e22cc5d2f0fa158f57aef243b7273151a12dbd6c42db3e03a.png

    • jesterpunk

      Who would think an official Russian state network would have Russian spies working for them?

    • Wolf Tracker

      Only because you are fucking spies that interfered in our election and we don’t hate all Russians just Putin and his Mafia government.

    • Hm. Propaganda arm of Russia is butthurt people might not trust them? Weird

  • NotDarkYet

    Good news, in case you haven’t heard it yet: In Key West, all 54 Hemingway cats are safe, and the house is intact, according to Hemingway House General Manager, Jacque Sands.

  • Left Coast Tom

    I have twice heard thunder this late afternoon, here in the Bay Area. According to this map such a thing was never supposed to happen. I’m pretty sure the “never supposed to happen” thing should have been a condition under which I bought my house.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5d0ef0385240394440a070408c4dccaac249219d5ba4e3d7ea6f6602d0d9f57b.gif

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      i find this graph suspect – I have lived in multiple cities here that all sh ow the same stats…they are very different.

      • Looks about right to me ^.^ Though TBH I recall a LOT more Lightning out west than here in VA.

        • Left Coast Tom

          This is thunderstorm frequency, not lightning strike density. Though, the western US (offer void in Arizona’s Mongollin Rim) has less lightning than the southeast anyway.

          What really stands out on lightning strike density maps is that areas subject to severe thunderstorms are a lot worse. Though, as with this map, no place in the US sees either the lightning, or thunderstorm frequency, like central Florida.

          • Major_Major_Major

            When I was in Orlando, especially during boot camp and A school, thunderstorms hit everyday at just after 1600. Just in time for classes to finish up and head to the galley.

    • Suse

      It’s thundering like crazy here and raining a bit. At least the horrible heat broke somewhat.

      • Left Coast Tom

        After posting this I’ve heard thunder several more times. Still no rain.

        • Suse

          The sky here looks very freaky. Completely white.

          • Left Coast Tom

            OK, now it’s raining. The upper low is to our south, so presumably the weather is moving east to west.

        • redarmyzombie

          Rain has been spotty off and on for me, but the neighbor dog is unhappy about the thunder…

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      i’m sorry, but how the fuck does most of washington and parts of oregon have at most 20 days of rain?

      TV tells me it rains all the goddamn time up there.

      • Left Coast Tom

        This is not a rain map! It’s a Thunderstorm frequency map. Most west coast storms arrive in the winter.

      • Panika MCD

        they don’t have many thunderstorms. just rain.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        At least here in Western Oregon, thunderstorms are rare. We just get the depressing, seeping kind of rain. Mostly in the winter. But it’s been unsettling dry here recently.

      • redarmyzombie

        Musta been made by a Trump nominee.

      • Red Richmond

        It’s possible tv wasn’t being entirely, precisely, 100% honest with you. Google Columbia Basin for a view of the other half of Washington State- this side of the mountains it’s a dry sage-and-tumbleweeds desert of suck.

    • Jamoche

      I’m in Sunnyvale, dog-sitting a 12 year old dog. I texted his owner to ask how he handles thunderstorms. The answer: “Wow, I don’t think he’s ever been in one.”

      • I initially read that as Sunnydale and i was going to ask after your Hellmouth

        • Jamoche

          It was rather amusing when the series was on, back when newspapers still had copyeditors who’d “fix” articles about the show. Even TVGuide said Buffy was in Sunnyvale once.

    • Panika MCD

      the map clearly said you have zero TO TEN days of thunderstorms.

      • Left Coast Tom

        That’s only because there isn’t a “five” line on the map – if there were, the Bay Area would be inside it as well (I have another such map that does have a “five” line, thought I’d google for something a little more recent than it).

        • Panika MCD

          I would figure it would be within the 5 line. that still doesn’t mean it’s unpossible, just rare.

          • Left Coast Tom

            True…in the time I’ve lived here Fremont and Sunnyvale have both had EF-0 tornadoes. One, each. I moved here in 1987.

    • Unhappy Fingers

      Be aware there exists “Dry Thunderstorms” that produce “Dry Lightning.” The latter tends to set forest fires.

      In my case, on my first visit to the Bay Area in August 1981 there was thunder and lightning but only a few drops of rain hit the ground. Yep, very much still dry season.

      • Left Coast Tom

        The remnants of a western Pacific typhoon, blowing across the Pacific and hitting the Bay Area, can cause impressive summer weather (not the issue here) – nothing is as likely to stop all workplace productivity as the aforementioned remnants causing the sky to open up in August, people will just stare out the windows.

    • TheMgt23

      Why does no one point out that Medicare SUCKS compared to MEDICAID? Medicaid is the perfect single payer system. Patients pay nothing and never have to screw around with outrageous bills. Most of the time I never show my card, even. It’s only drawback is state administration. Screw the states and make it federal. A great university medical system is one hour away but useless to me because it is in a different state.

      20% of medical costs is a ridiculous burden for far too many people today. I have bookmarked where a cardio sonogram costs <$100 in Japan, over $11oo one place and a whopping $5574 in New Jersey. Until medical costs are brought under control, think Japan, 20% is far too burdensome in terms of cost and aggravation.

      PLEASE, PLEASE, GET ALL THESE DAMN POLITICIANS OFF THIS MEDICARE FOR ALL B U L L S H I T!

      THANK YOU.

      • Left Coast Tom

        …did you mean this as a reply to my whining about an extremely rare SF Bay Area thunderstorm…?

        • WomanInThePersistence

          I got nothing.

        • Stulexington

          Maybe it’s getting way into the spirit of the open thread by doing something on topic in an off topic comment. Or it was meant as a stand alone post.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        Ummmm, what?

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson
    • Rachel Book Harlot

      This. So this.

      • Lord Jim

        OMG. So much YES.

  • Panika MCD
    • Pretty kitteh all fluffy fierce awwww!

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      She was warned. Repeatedly.

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      Ha! Reminds me of my little foo foo, except he would never attack me. He just likes to tell me off a lot. And boss me around. I like to tell him he’s not the boss of me, but he and I both know that he really is.

    • TJ Barke

      I knew a cat named Max once. Worst fucking cat I ever saw. I was happy when he got cancer… He was the fucking WORST.

      • Panika MCD

        the worst cat I ever have known was Gibby, Prima Brother’s cat. she used to be known as “the demon cat” because she was. then my mom’s pet-whisperer cat did some work with her and she’s quite nice now. not happy that she’s sick.

        also: you keep hating pets and you wonder why you have trouble meeting ladies?

        • TJ Barke

          Uh, I don’t keep hating pets. I generally have no problem with pets, most of the time I hate the owners, not the pets. But I hated Max. Because he was literally the worst cat I have ever met. To handle him at all we had to gas him down inside his carrier.

          • Panika MCD

            okay, just seemed like a theme today. sorry I misinterpreted.

          • TJ Barke

            I didn’t have a problem with the dog earlier. He was a very nice dog, we had to do a splenectomy on him to remove a hemangiosarcoma. But his owner was taking forever to check him out, asking all sorts of questions not about him after we ostensibly were closed.

          • Panika MCD

            I think she has a crush on you!

          • TJ Barke

            I hope not, as she was in her 60s or 70s…

          • Panika MCD

            age doesn’t stop attraction. but if she was that old, she was probably just trying to flirt to feel good about herself, not to get into your pants.

          • Panika MCD

            also too: for an hour or so there I somehow forgot you are a vet tech. very sorry for that.

    • SomeBigRedDog

      When cat’s pupils get all big like that. That’s the worst!

      Also too, cats are the worst.

  • Cool archeaology alert!

    For more than a century, archaeologists had assumed the remains of a high-ranking Viking warrior discovered in Birka, Sweden belonged to a man. Now, researchers have used DNA testing to confirm that the warrior, who had been buried with military honors, was actually a woman. The study by a team at Stockholm University, which was published on Friday in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology, confirms that women held high roles in the Viking military and demonstrates the impact that sexist preconceptions can have in scientific research. As the authors observe, since the grave site was first excavated in the 1880s, researchers never considered that the warrior might not be a man: “This image of the male warrior in a patriarchal society was reinforced by research traditions and contemporary preconceptions. Hence, the biological sex of the individual was taken for granted.”

    Charlotte Hedenstierna-Jonson, an archaeologist at Uppsala University, described the grave site, which contained all of the trappings of a high-ranking Viking officer: “Aside from the complete warrior equipment buried along with her – a sword, an axe, a spear, armor-piercing arrows, a battle knife, shields, and two horses – she had a board game in her lap, or more of a war-planning game used to try out battle tactics and strategies, which indicates she was a powerful military leader. She’s most likely planned, led and taken part in battles.” The researchers added that these new findings “provide a new understanding of the Viking society, the social constructions and also norms in the Viking Age.”

    The researchers also note that archaeologists and historians’’ attitudes towards the sex of the remains reveal a lot about our own culture: “As long as the sex is male, the weaponry in the grave not only belong to the interred but also reflects his status as warrior, whereas a female sex has raised doubts,” they write. “This type of reasoning takes away the agency of the buried female… The results call for caution against generalizations regarding social orders in past societies.” They further hope that the confirmation that there were high-ranking female warriors in Viking society will encourage more research using modern techniques aimed at creating a more accurate picture of historic cultures: “This study shows how the combination of ancient genomics, isotope analyses and archaeology can contribute to the rewriting of our understanding of social organization concerning gender, mobility and occupation patterns in past societies.”

    To read more about this new discovery in Smithsonian, visit http://bit.ly/2f0BHDB

    For books for children and teens about sword-wielding women, check out our blog post, “16 Books Starring Sword-Wielding Girls and Women,” at https://www.amightygirl.com/blog/?p=9960

    For a few of our favorite books about sword-loving Mighty Girls, we recommend the picture book “Brave Margaret: An Irish Adventure” for ages 5 to 9 (https://www.amightygirl.com/brave-margaret), the award-winning “The Blue Sword” for ages 9 and up (https://www.amightygirl.com/the-blue-sword), the fantasy classic “Alanna: The First Adventure” for ages 11 and up (https://www.amightygirl.com/alanna-the-first-adventure), and the graphic novel “Delilah Dirk and the Turkish Lieutenant” for ages 13 and up (https://www.amightygirl.com/delilah-dirk)

    And, for books about women’s diverse role in history, from ancient times to the modern world, visit our “History & Biography” section at https://www.amightygirl.com/books/history-biography

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Lagartha forever!

    • Three Finger Salute

      Yay! That’ll piss off both the MRAs and the jihadists (both of whom overlap in one key area: toxic patriarchy). Not only was she a woman warrior, but her remains were found in a place called…. Birka.

      • redarmyzombie

        WOMEN IN BIRKA!!! THE FEMOISLAMISTS ARE TAKING OVER!!! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!1!

    • Arcaheology KICKS ASS.

      • Lord Jim

        That is why I wanted to weep every time I heard about Daesh destroying another relic of the past. Motherfucking SAVAGES. Don’t get me wrong, their brutal murdering and sex slavery are even more tragic, but I think you, of all people, might get me.

        • Zyxomma

          When the Taliban blew up the giant Buddhas in Afghanistan, I cried and cried. Daesh was way worse, both with wanton destruction of antiquities and STEALING AND SELLING other pieces of ancient civilizations. Wish I believed in hell so I could know that’s where they’re headed.

    • hendenburg2

      Over a century? wow, I feel like a quick look at the skeleton would have solved that right quick

      • TJ Barke

        For an anthropologist probably.

    • TJ Barke

      Shield Maidens FTW!

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson
  • FDRliberal

    Elizabeth Warren Jumps On The Medicare-For-All Train, Because She Is Awesome

    Also awesome – Corey Booker, Kirsten Gillebrand, Max Baucus – all of whom now support Medicare for All.

    • Wolf Tracker

      Picking up steam. Won’t get through a Rep congress but excellent issue to get the Reps on record for 2018.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸
    • I think we should be asking why Trump still has security clearance. Literally everyone around him is compromised.

    • TJ Barke

      Corrupt as fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson
    • DainBramage

      Watch dog just wanted the stick.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Sticks are good. And that was awesome.

    • Jamoche

      I knew I’d seen that before – it’s not hurricane related, they’re just playing in a river: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly3QXFhsVxk

      • Resistance Fighter Callyson

        Aw crap. Sorry for posting fake news.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          But still a good thing to see.

    • Panika MCD

      that doesn’t look like a hurricane save…it looks like a “dogs playing in rapids or an arroyo” save.

    • Wolf Tracker

      Not judging but I don’t let my dogs or kids play around fast moving rivers. They can get pulled into an under tow or hit their head on a rock and go under.

      Glad they are safe.

    • SomeBigRedDog

      Are we sure that dog wasn’t just after the stick? I would have been after that stick.

    • It is nice that we have so great an ex president so we can be constantly reminded what we could have had.

    • gene108

      Nice sentiment, but it just showed who we are isn’t that nice.

      Too many pants-shitting fuckheads in rural America.

      • data_ninja

        Don’t discount the “take advantage of a crisis by selling fear” people in urban America!

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      My cousin worked for Morgan Stanley, which was located in the south tower. Thankfully, she made it out okay that day.

      • gene108

        I know someone, who had been out of work for several weeks. Got a contract position for a company located at the WTC. He was supposed to start on 9/10/01. The contract was canceled at the last minute. He was pissed until Tuesday morning, and then never more grateful he lost a job.

        I’ve run across some people, who were late to work that day or a meeting there, and are alive because of it.

        • Rachel Book Harlot

          Wow! Very lucky! My cousin later worked in the Empire State Building. I told her she was nuts tempting the hands of fate like that. There is no way I could ever work in that building now. I know it’s silly, but I can’t help it. In fact, up until recently (my company just moved to another location) I worked right across the street from it, and I would actually cross two streets over, basically making a U, in order to get to the Panera Bread located on the block next to it. Stupid, but there you go!

        • Arolpin

          I did a temp contract stint at Marsh McLennan a couple months after 9-11. The other 3 people who shared my little corner all were alive because of random delays that morning (missed train, wanted to finish chapter in a book, on crutches). They lost entire departments. I was glad that I was replacing a good friend of mine who ended his contract about mid-August to find a job less mind-numbingly boring. (He’s still hands-down the best sys-admin/coder I’ve ever met. At the time I was a reasonably talented router/security guru, the job took about 10% of my capabilities, it probably took less than 1% of his. I suspect that the software program he wrote that pretty much funded his retirement was largely written while he was on contract there.)

    • Delu

      Sorry Obama, but evidence has grown to such a degree that it can no longer be ignored.

      9/11 DID change America and what it is. It also changed her people.

      The current events are all the proof required.

  • Jamoche

    https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/907392908973760512

    Oh, Keith, you know how Donnie doesn’t send out a 9/11 tweet – everyone in the WH conspired to keep his phone away from him because there’s no way it wouldn’t be appalling.

    • gene108

      He probably forgot. As Bush, Jr said, being President is hard work.

      I never realized that before he said it so succinctly.

  • goonemeritus

    New York Passes free in State tuition the year my youngest graduates and now when AARP has me on speed dial this will undoubtable happen. FML.

    • gene108

      AARP admits members starting at 50.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        Don’t remind me.

    • Juan de Fuca

      Having a boat, an RV, perhaps a nice pool in the backyard later in life – none of that stuff matters. It’s all about paying out of one’s ass to ensure our kids have a decent chance at the better things in life.

      • goonemeritus

        And we do get to watch our boat less, pool less, RV less kids do the same for their kids so that’s nice.

  • Jeffocaster in the West

    So, today the 16th anniversary, I realized I flew into Dulles…….

    • msanthropesmr

      Are your arms tired?

      • Jeffocaster in the West

        arf arf arf

        • msanthropesmr

          It’s the KAOS approval seal!

          • Jeffocaster in the West

            KOS and KOS….AM

  • Wolf Tracker
  • It’s gonna rain here on Thursday…pesky hurricane season

  • aktlib101

    Hmmm, the secret is not so sekret any longer?
    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/member-of-duma-admits-russian-intelligence-stole-the-president-of-the-united-states-on-live-tv/

    “According to a Russia media analyst, a member of the Duma legislative body made an off-the-cuff comment on national TV that Russian intelligence “stole the president of the United States.”
    “According to Julia Davis, writing on Twitter, “#Russia‘s state TV mocks American intelligence services: MP Vyacheslav Nikonov says U.S. spies slept while Russia elected a U.S. President.”

    Clarifying the comment, Nikonov reportedly blurted U.S. “intelligence missed it when Russian intelligence stole the president of the United States.”

    The Hill notes that the panel Nikonov was participating on focused on the diminishing power of the United States on the world stage.”

    • msanthropesmr

      I wish Russian intelligence would steal teh president of the United States.

      • Take my president- please!

      • Jeffocaster in the West

        And that Chechnyan President

    • …That clarifies it? Really?

      • aktlib101

        More like states the obvious

    • TJ Barke

      It kinda helps that one of the two leading political parties was more than willing to be complicit with that theft.

  • msanthropesmr

    So, those signs can’t be real. No one is that stupid, right? Right?

    Sob.

    • Get a brains, MORANS!

      • Beanz&Berryz

        Lotters will be shoot!

        • alpacapunchbowl
          • Viva L’otters

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Shouldn’t that be Les Otters?

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            we texans aren’t really known for our french.

          • Panika MCD

            sure we are. they just didn’t last long. their seal is still on the Pink Dome, though. we also have one of their ships.

          • Arolpin

            What about those who live in Paris, TX?

          • alpacapunchbowl

            It should be “les loutres”, but then it wouldn’t be funny.

          • CindyinEncinitas

            Ah, the French and their Resistance.

        • Delu

          Aren’t lotters people who own lots?

          • Beanz&Berryz

            Lotsa whats?

    • Beanz&Berryz

      I was wondering.. hoping.. too

    • RobKanC

      Yeah. Cry you librul redard. You think you better than everyun cos you can spall and red.

      • msanthropesmr

        My concrete was real bad spalled out front til we got a mason to fix it.

        • RobKanC

          Huh!!! Freedumb!!!

    • Delu

      Yes.

      They are likely the same people who thought that Obamacare and the ACA were 2 different things.

      They likely also didn’t know that the ACA, being a government program, is also “socialized medicine” which they hate so much.

      But they love themselves some government sponsored healthcare all the same.

      That’s what it practically MEANS to be Trumpian right there.

      • We have recognized the problem; ignorance whether willful or otherwise.
        Now we should plot how to get past that.

        • msanthropesmr

          Beatings.

          • The Beatings will continue until ignorance decreases?

          • msanthropesmr

            Imma get a newspaper and bop people on the nose with it.

        • aktlib101

          Betsy de Vos?

        • Delu

          I can suggest one way we can get past that.

          Give them what they want.

          They want Government out of their medicare? Ok, since Medicare is a government program, have government withdraw COMPLETELY from medicare and then let them have that.

          It won’t be much of a medicare admittedly,but hey that’s what they want.

          The first step to not being stupid is to know that you are being stupid.

          So if this doesn’t work, nothing else will.

          • Too many other people would get hurt.
            Burn it all down cannot be a solution because the bulk of the people getting hurt are not those who would be like this anyway.
            So we need a better solution

          • Delu

            If only there was a way to let these people choose for themselves the “non government intervened” Medicare.

            The rest can continue on as usual.

        • CindyinEncinitas

          I truly don’t know whether or not it will dawn on them even after they see their leader sail off into exile.

    • Jeffocaster in the West

      Keep you hands off my MediCAID ….I don’t want no welfare.

      • msanthropesmr

        You keep your hands outta my inheritance.

        • Jeffocaster in the West

          See ya on my new desmosedici in a couple days

          • msanthropesmr

            Oy – probably $2k to get the valves adjusted.

          • Jeffocaster in the West

            I would say at least. But maintenance is included for the first 36000 or something like that.

      • Jamoche

        “I was on food stamps and welfare, and nobody helped me!”

        • I have legit heard that very…argument.
          To wit said I “EBT is a tax payer government funded program. So, everyone who pays taxes helped you”
          “But…but no one helped ME”

        • jesterpunk

          That is an uninformed actor who should stay out of politics.

          • Jamoche

            And acting.

  • gene108

    to possibly being the issue that could help Democrats start winning more elections.

    If Obama saving the GM and Chrysler, in 2009, got met with a Republican wave election in Michigan and Ohio, against a back drop of Republicans saying let them fail, I wouldn’t get my hopes up.

    As long as Democrats make sure the blacks, browns, and gays get the same Medicare-for-All as straight conservative Christian white folks, most white folks won’t give shit about how good they have it, because of Democratic policies, and will continue to vote Republican.

    Policies don’t win elections, people’s emotions do.

    And no amount of good policy will make up for getting people mad about email servers, “lying” about inventing the internet, etc.

    • This is sadly very true. I forgot that after saving so many actual jobs, the rust belt turned around and told him to get bent.

    • DainBramage

      “Straight conservative Christian white folks” always think that the undeserving others are getting better, secret benefits.

      • Delu

        “WE SHOULD BE THE ONES GETTING THOSE!!! ONLY US!!!”

        Their thoughts in a nutshell.

        • These are the same people who think Dreamers get a “free” education.
          Because those on the GI bill, you know. It just. but then. And then I get stabby

    • Delu

      Nope, the last elections prove it. All those things you said above? They only work with a sane and rational electorate.

      America doesn’t have that, they have people who get triggered over unopened emails instead.

      • I am wondering if those 33k are all penis enlarging and adds to buy this next on Amazon like mine are.
        I did a brief count one month and I figured if I routinely delete the same amount of spam per month, I would net over 36k in one year, and I am not anyone very important, and nor do I sign up for a lot of the things.

        • CripesAmighty

          Think of all the Amazon deals she missed.

          • IKR???? Clearly unfit to be president if she does not take advantage of 10% off all bulk orders over 150.

        • Delu

          This…is…what???

    • Wolf Tracker

      Reps understand Medicare and love it. Reps in congress trying to take it away is big issue they have stood up against many times and will be an issue in 2018 when Trump needs to pay for tax cuts and Medicare is put on the block.

    • Left Coast Tom

      I’m of the view that Democrats need to focus on places like North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona, and…yes, Florida is a must. The implication, to me, isn’t that Democrats need to become demagogues, but rather that, to take MI as an example as that’s the part of the Rust Belt I’m familiar with, 1) people are leaving MI, and not really moving there, and 2) within MI, the historically Democratic strongholds of Wayne and Genesee counties are rapidly losing population and the historically Republican stronghold of Kent county is rapidly gaining population.

      Taking the MI example, Michigan Democrats in my view will need to show that they can win elections in Kent County, where they haven’t been competitive since the Great Depression (Grand Rapids does have a Democratic mayor…perhaps they could nominate him to something?).

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    I’ve been appointed to represent someone charged with stealing an elk carcass from another hunter. This should be interesting.

    • Panika MCD

      maybe you could help with Jennifer R’s question below.

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