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Where does she get off?

If you have the Facebook or the Twitter, you have likely seen somebody repost an article along the lines of “Why Hillary Clinton Should Take A Hike And Go Away And Shut Up Forever.” If you clicked on it, you know what it said. If you didn’t, you still know what it said.

Despite how at least 10 men have been struck with the completely original idea of writing a Tumblr-quality screed about STFU HILLARY OMG, she, defiant as always, has not notified her publisher that she wishes to cancel the release of her book, What Happened, and moreover, she hasn’t notified her real estate agent that would like to purchase a cave at the bottom of the sea to live in for the rest of her days, so she doesn’t offend anyone ever again. You may pre-order your copy of said book right here!

PFFFFFFFFT, Hillary. Like anybody’s going to read her dumb book, which we ordered today. Probably just gonna give it to the Wonka-dog and watch her judgmentally refuse to even chew it up, since it’s probably just a bunch of secret Goldman Sachs speeches anyway.

Anyway, Vogue has a really nice new excerpt! (Click here for the last excerpts we wrote about!) In it, H. Rodham writes about her marriage to B. Clinton, why she hasn’t acceded to many people’s requests that she divorce him, and what it was like having him by her side in the hours after she “lost” the election. (Those are our “quotation marks,” lest one of the self-appointed arbiters of Hillary Clinton’s behavior find himself in a tizzy because SHE’S NOT TAKING RESPONSIBILI-TAH!!!!@!!1!!1benghazi!!!!)

Not only is Hillary Clinton not divorcing Bill Clinton, she says she’d make the same decision she made in 1975 to marry him if she had it to do all over again. And don’t worry, because it’s DEFINITELY your business, she addresses the elephant in the room, assuming we’re in a 1990s room with an elephant:

I know some people wonder why we’re still together. I heard it again in the 2016 campaign: that “we must have an arrangement” (we do; it’s called a marriage); …

By which she means fuck you.

… that I helped him become president and then stayed so he could help me become president (no); that we lead completely separate lives, and it’s just a marriage on paper now (he is reading this over my shoulder in our kitchen with our dogs underfoot, and in a minute he will reorganize our bookshelves for the millionth time, which means I will not be able to find any of my books, and once I learn the new system, he’ll just redo it again, but I don’t mind because he really loves to organize those bookshelves).

Oh man, that would piss us off. Remind us to NEVER marry Bill Clinton, lest he start rearranging shit constantly.

Instead of re-litigating when and how many times Bill Clinton bang-sexed a lady what was not his wife, Hillz talks about all the millions of great things in her marriage, not least of which are their daughter and grandchildren. She notes that she and Bill definitely made that happen, and moreover, that she still REALLY LIKES HIM:

He has a temper, but he’s never mean. And he’s funny, friendly, unflappable in the face of mishaps and inconveniences, and easily delighted by the world—remember those balloons at the convention? He is fabulous company.

But come ON, Hillz, can’t we stick our faces in your private marriage life some more, because we are entitled to do that?

We’ve certainly had dark days in our marriage. You know all about them—and please consider for a moment what it would be like for the whole world to know about the worst moments in your relationship.

Fair.

The excerpt ends with Clinton sharing how she spent the hours after she gave her concession speech, dressed in purple, as was Bill:

It takes about an hour to drive from Manhattan to our home in Chappaqua. I absolutely love our old house. […] All I wanted to do was get inside, change into comfy clothes, and maybe not answer the phone ever again.

She says she wore yoga pants and a fleece that day and slept a lot and that she was “grateful for the one billionth time that [she] had a husband who was good company not just in happy times but sad ones as well.” (When she says “happy times,” she means when she is doing Benghazi with her emails in the #Pizzagate basement with the haint of Vince Foster, probably.)

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  • proudgrampa

    Christ, if we got divorced every time we fucked up, proudgramma would have canned my ass a long time ago.

    • puredog

      Yeah, but ya see, Bill fucked DOWN.

  • Electric Ukulele Land

    “So and so should just go away” is the “stop liking what I don’t like” of politics

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      It’s more specific–it’s “I don’t want to hear what you have to say, Mom, I hate you!!! When is dinner?”

  • crabbychic

    Thank you Evan. I think you like HRC almost as much as I love her. This does my heart good.

    • Sagelike

      Oh how cute. She loves you too. Your real name is Vodka Pills Dinero, right?

  • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

    Donald and Melania also have an arraignment, it’s called gold digging.

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      “an arraignment” … you’re about three months ahead of Mueller.

      • Covfefe’s Evil Twin

        From your mouth (fingers) to FSM’s ears (noodly appendages). I’ve got money on Drumpf not making it to 2018, so I like your “three months” timeline.

  • Mpeg

    Not to be outdone – – Donald teh Trump also spends an inordinate amount of time rearranging volumes of words… in his head.

  • beingreleased

    Hillary lost and should get out of public life.

    Coincidentally, Mitt Romney is thinking about running for the Senate, which seems like a great idea.

    • OutOfOrbit

      nope, HRC won by 3,000,000 votes. a corrupt electoral college ripped us off

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        I think they’re being sarcastic.

      • Sagelike

        Your common core maff skeels are obamma! (A compliment)

        • OutOfOrbit

          thx, i guess, yeah

      • asoulfromstockholm

        I think you need to learn the definition of corrupt. There was no corruption internally with the EV’s. I do believe systemically flawed would be much more accurate. BTW, you will NEVER get the small states to pass a Constitutional Amendment abolishing the EC, ergo your only hope is to increase the size of the House (And thus the number of EV’s which can then be much more fairly distributed) to at least 1000 members. You have been stuck with 435 since 1913! It doesn’t take a Constitutional Amendment, simply a rules change vote.

        • Jennifer Litton Tidd

          The EC and Senate were originally supposed to keep the big states from having too much power over the smaller, less populated states. Nobody realized back then we’d have huge populated states like CA and NY. Now those same institutions give too much power to low population states and not nearly enough to higher population states. In the last 5 general elections, Democrats have won the popular vote 4 out of 5 times, but have only had the WH two of the 5 times. That’s okay with the GOP. They don’t mind that they represent a minority of the country. In fact, they’re suppressing votes and gerrymandering to make it so they can continue winning with even smaller numbers. It’s a mess and why people are so enraged. I wasn’t as upset when we lost in 2004, but to lose even though we won the popular vote in both 2000 and 2016 is an awfully bitter pill to swallow. Especially when they act as though Dems and are agenda are unpopular. I get that they won and I’m not questioning the win. I’m questioning the system which awards the WH consistently to the party who loses the popular vote

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      And we really need to keep hearing from John McCain. There’s a guy who doesn’t get a lot of press.

      • YoBunnyBunny

        I think I saw him on one of the Sunday Gas Bag Shows. I thought he had already crawled under a rock and died! Imagine how I felt…

      • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

        He won’t be much older than Bernie in 2020, he should run again.

        • asoulfromstockholm

          Apparently maths are not a strong point for you yank neoliberal shills. Dole would be 101 years old at the end of the 2020 POTUS term. Sanders would be 83 as of January 2025.

          • AmericanAssassinCaptainHowdy

            You’re a real shit for brains cretin, aren’t you? Stupid fuck.

      • Les Appentis De la résistance

        Because he’s always right and has impeccable judgement.

      • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

        What about that nice Steve Bannon, too? Why don’t we have more interviews with him?

        • YoBunnyBunny

          Hell, why don’t we just bring in Ricky Santorum? The Newt? Huckabee? Has anybody seen Bobby Jindal??? It can be a big ol’ party of Important Men Who Must Say Things While We All Hush-Up. Or am I just thinking of CPAC?

          • Hemp Dogbane

            Dammit, what does Tim Pawlenty have to do to catch a …zzzzzz…(snore).

          • Ricky Gay

            CPAP

          • CindyinEncinitas

            Are we getting the band back together??

          • YoBunnyBunny

            NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

          • OrdinaryJoe

            What ever happened to Bob Dole?

          • Shibusa

            Remember when it came out that Bob Dole was behind Trump’s bizarre and inappropriate Taiwan phone call? Good times.

        • Tiny kaiju

          Ooo. He so Presidential looking, don’t you think? If you compare him to Ulysses Grant right before his drinking killed him.

      • CindyinEncinitas

        Or his poor, poor running mate-the often overlooked Caribou Barbie.

      • Papa Guns
    • Why? She knows things. She has opinions. She has things to say.

      • Daniel

        It’s a joke about sexist hypocrisy.

        • beingreleased

          And it’s a damn funny one too. I think I saw it on Twitter earlier.

          • I am very sorry. I fear trump has destroyed my snark meter.

          • beingreleased

            Understandable.

          • LeftyProud

            I know!

          • Ill-Advised

            Consumer Reports profiled maintenance & support options. Even top-rated snark models are just three-star this year.

    • natoslug

      I think Egg would have something to say about Mittens running again. Although it would mean she could spend more time riding Rafalca.

    • HooverVilles

      Another example of our sad state of politics.
      Sigh!

    • Ill-Advised

      Gagged, but fixed my snark meter. Geez, you’d think the thing would have a warning beep, or something.

    • Tiny kaiju

      The snark is strong with this one. Well done.

  • CindyinEncinitas

    Usually, when a marriage has really gone to shit the neighbors get to hear it. Has anyone talked to their neighbors? Just asking.

    • Arolpin

      The Clinton’s neighbors? Who live in Chappequa, which is in Westchester County, which is in NEW YORK? They might be (((compromised))), if you know what I mean, so we can’t trust them!

      • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

        What is it you’re trying to say about the (((Clintons)))?

        • Arolpin

          I’m not saying anything about the (((Clintons))) because we know everything about them. If we talk to their (((neighbors))) we might hear what the (((Clintons))) want us to hear. We should probably ask Bubba Sisterfucker Jr instead, because he lives in Porkshit, Arkansas, and is a Real American.

          • Major_Major_Major

            Better yet, just poll all the patrons at the Sit-n-Sip in Lockjaw, Alabammy.

      • foreign agitator Captain Kraut

        Westchester County, you say?

        So she’s a neighbor of Professor Xavier’s School for Gifted Youngsters?

        The plot thickens…

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      Hillary routinely has them killed.

    • Lascauxcaveman

      I think the neighbors are about 3 or 4 acres* away, so they wouldn’t hear so much.

      *yes, I realize this is an incorrect unit of measurement for distance, but since yards in that nabe are measures in acres, I’m using it.

      • Ill-Advised

        Immaterial. I’m sure their drones are the best.

    • Serai 1
  • LeftyProud

    I don’t think she should never speak, but I think in this book she made everything all contentious again where we should be pulling together. It’s all hands on deck now, eyes front. Sniping at who is the blame on both parts is ridiculous. NEWSFLASH: Both Bernie and Hillary did things that could be criticized. The finger pointing has to stop.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      Right. We shouldn’t analyze what happened, because none of that will ever happen again, and we can never learn from the mistakes of the past.

      • Serai 1

        and we can never learn from the mistakes of the past.

        An excellent description of Purity Ponies, commenter included.

        • House0fTheBlueLights

          wait, what?

          • Serai 1

            Oh no, not you. The commenter you were replying to.

          • House0fTheBlueLights

            ok good. <3

      • IdRatherBeDancing

        Well there was no difference between Gore and W. (eyeroll)

      • Ill-Advised

        Every analysis had to include BOTH SIDES and determine that there was no “better” option. Unless you have the right answer.

    • Nockular cavity

      Let’s not bicker and argue about who killed who.

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        We all know it was Hillary, duh.

      • Serai 1

        This is supposed to be a happy occasion!

    • Tzipora Kaplan

      I think the point is that what you think doesn’t matter more than what she thinks, and since she’s the one that was there and actually worked her ass off to become President I would like to hear what she has to say literally more than anyone else, and it will not affect my ability to move forward appropriately with 2018/20 at all.

      • LeftyProud

        That is a good point.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Short of it being a 300-page confession, it was going to be contentious anyway because some people believe unless she takes 100% of the responsibility for everything (even the things she had no control over like her opponents), she’s being “divisive”.

      • Nockular cavity

        The fact that she doesn’t say “All my fault!” and commit seppuku immediately just proves that she’s in the pocket of Wall Street.

        • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

          Forgot shrill.

          • Serai 1

            We females do not have the luxury of forgetting “shrill”, alas.

          • Ill-Advised

            It’s true. If the superpower of older women is to be invisible, shrill is true for all values of presence. It’s been true since Shakespeare: “My dear Lady Disdain, are you yet talking?”

          • Serai 1

            “Is it possible Disdain should die while she hath such meet food to feed it as Signor Benedick?”

            I friggin’ LOVE Beatrice. She is badass.

      • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

        Some people believe she’s being “divisive” no matter WHAT she does. It’s just code for “female having the temerity to think she belongs in the public sphere.”

        • Beanz&Berryz

          The temerity to be uppity… also, too.. smart… experienced… a Democrat…

        • lilith

          And without being a Playboy model to boot! The very nerve.

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      Between Bernie and Hillary, it is only Bernie who is an avowed enemy of the Democratic party who actively works to make Democrats lose, and whose surrogates on the Unity Commission are attacking Democrats on a daily basis. This is something which legitimately concerns Democrats.

    • Thiazin Red

      I think it is worth it, because the Berners will not stop. They’ve proven that anyone who defies St Bernie is forever unclean to them, and talk shit about getting rid of proven leaders.

      • JMP

        I like how they’re blaming Hillary Clinton for being contentious when they’re the ones throwing giant temper tantrums after all she’s done is write a book. Um, no, Clinton is not to blame for your insane over-reaction to her.

    • WeaselPoo

      As we all get to applaud or bitch about politicians from our (now instant 24/7) peanut gallery, there’s absolutely no need to hear and read about the perspectives and experiences of someone supremely qualified and proactive in the pursuit and activity of good goverment…right?

      • Hemp Dogbane

        I read “qualified and proactive in the pantsuit”.

        • YoBunnyBunny

          OMG, I did, too!!!

        • foreign agitator Captain Kraut

          Well, she did pass the “Angela Merkel advanced pantsuit class” with flying (pastel) colors.

    • Jennaratrix

      I might agree with this if everything had ever stopped being contentious.

      Oh, wait, no I wouldn’t. This is just another way of saying she should shut up, and you even threw in some gratuitous both sides bullshit. It’s funny how the people who think the finger pointing should stop are usually the ones who fucked shit up.

    • Daniel

      Both sides did it, so she should stop talking.

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      “Silence all women! Especially when they are truthtellers!”

    • BigCSouthside

      The only reason HRC is considered “toxic” and “unlikeable” is 30 years of bullshit being thrown at her.

      She’s one of the most experienced public servants in American history. It would be a shame to silence that knowledge because some fucking liars on Fox and radio think she’s a bitch.

    • JMP

      I don’t think she should never speak, but I’m going to immediately turn around and tell her to shut up because I don’t think women should be allowed to talk in public.

      • LeftyProud

        Say what? You better not mean me, I am not telling anyone to shut up. Well, except you.

        • JMP

          You’re also telling Hillary Clinton to shut up, and blaming her for making things contentious when it’s the fauxgressive idiots who hate her that have done that. Fuck that shit. She’s allowed to write a book if she wants to.

          • LeftyProud

            No, I am not tell her to shut or not write a book. Get a grip.

          • LeftyProud

            No, I am not telling her to shut up or not write a book. Get a grip.

          • JMP

            Getting a grip certainly involves making the same comment twice.

          • LeftyProud

            Ooh, I had a Disqus fail, but aren’t you so clever!

          • Serai 1

            Honey, IT’S RIGHT THERE IN YOUR COMMENT.

            You do know we can still read it, right?

          • LeftyProud

            Aren’t you cute!! What I said in my comment is my opinion about what she said, not that should shouldn’t say it! Read the damn book, I have no issue, but apparently you think I do! Good God. More reasonable commentators pointed out rightly that the contentious issues need to talked about. I ready to actually talk about these things, happy to do so. I want a stronger and more united democratic party and have these repubs eat shit.

        • ltmcdies

          yes your are. It’s her book. She can write it when she wants and see it published when she wants.
          That’s it.

          you don’t have to read it.

          And the “fight” for control of the Democratic Party was coming… can’t be avoided any longer.

        • Serai 1

          You just said she’s making things all icky with her stupid girl whining.

    • SomeBigRedDog

      When should the finger pointing start? After Trump launches a nuke? Maybe after Florida is completely under water? Why don’t you go ahead and let us know when the appropriate time to point fingers might be.

    • Serai 1

      Yeah, because what we need is to forget how this happened. Hell, we shouldn’t even WANT to know how this happened. We should just shut up our whining and “move forward”. Because talking about what happened just makes everything worse.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a17e701e78dde087cd59f99cbaa3f1f7b80e33d49321574c48a41c0e58946f0d.gif

      I’m just curious – how many Bernie Bot sites have you gone to with the intention of shaking your finger at their inability to keep those “eyes front”, Oh Troll of Concern?

  • ArgieBargie

    Prologue by Butter E. Mails.

    • OrG

      Epilogue by Ben Gahzi.

    • Lascauxcaveman

      After(life)word by Vince Foster

    • Serai 1

      “Best read ever! Highly recommend!” — “Comet” Pete Zod

  • goonemeritus

    Men, we always know what’s best.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      I’ll put that on your headstone when I outlive you by 4+ years.

      • goonemeritus

        Ok but I won’t be there to live through the Eric Trump administration so I think I will be getting the better deal. Plus free headstone, sweet.

        • MrTusks

          What, was DJ removed from the line of succession?

          • natoslug

            There was panic on the streets of London, so we had to hang the blessed DJ.

          • foreign agitator Captain Kraut

            Cause the music they constantly play, it says nothing to me about my life…

          • Lascauxcaveman

            I wonder to myself, “Could life ever be sane again?”

  • starfanglednut

    Oh, this should be interesting. I sense an en masse invasion of the purity ponies any minute now.

  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

    I ordered a copy as a gift for a friend. I’ll probably end up putting it on my wish list for my birthday and/or holiday season.

  • Jennaratrix

    I do not give one single fuck about the 10 (million) men who think Hillary should shut up, and wish they would take their own goddamn advice.

    • Serai 1

      I wish they’d just look ahead and move forward. All this obsessing over the past… tsk tsk tsk.

  • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

    “…he really loves to organize those bookshelves.”

    If she had a real marriage, she would have given him A Certain Look long ago and he would have gotten The Message.

    • SisterArtemis

      I’m sure she’s reserved the Certain Look for other, more important areas of their life together. Some battles you choose to lose.

    • Lascauxcaveman

      Ha, I bet the bookshelf-organizing thing is a just a healthy way to burn off nervous energy. You see that sometimes in dudes who have time on their hands and also are trying to kick smoking, booze, meth or sticking-their-dick-into-women-not-their-wives.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Isn’t there some kind of conservative-killing poison in the ink?

  • SomeBigRedDog

    Can you guys imagine how much Trump would still have to say if he hadn’t “won” the election? And these same assholes would all be nodding and stroking their chins and saying “hmmmm, good point!”

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      I mean, just look at Bernie

  • beatbort

    What happened to Trump’s campaign promise to investigate and imprison Hillary on his first day in office?
    Damn, dude can’t get himself a wall and this lady is still free and at large…and laughing at him.
    King Cuck

  • SomeBigRedDog

    There is only one way to organize books on a shelf and that is by tastiness and chew-ability.

    • Thiazin Red

      Ours are roughly by genre, but mostly stuff I like the most gets the best spots.

    • Serai 1

      I would add ease of knocking them off the shelf, but that’s just me.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      I think that’s how Bill organizes women in his head.

  • Les Appentis De la résistance

    “he is reading this over my shoulder in our kitchen with our dogs underfoot”

    I really didn’t need the graphic descriptions of their sex life.

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      How we yearn for the subtle dignity of “grab ’em by the pussy”.

  • Thiazin Red

    So Bill is my boyfriend but with books instead of stuff in the kitchen. Where the shit is the damned nutmeg?

    • Empress of the Iguana People

      Check the fridge?

    • puredog

      Between the mustard seed and the oregano?

      • YoBunnyBunny

        WTH? It should be between the cinnamon and cloves. What is wrong with people!?!?!?!?

        • jesterpunk

          That isnt in alphabetical order.

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            It’s pumpkin pie order, beetchez.

          • Ill-Advised

            In the medicine cabinet, where it belongs. Enough of it is psychoactive, if you eat (a lot of it) whole.

  • Wild Cat

    Advance Praise

    “Bitch didn’t say in her book how I defended America from totalitarianism with my cleverness. Fuck her!”
    —Maureen Dowd

    “Bitch didn’t buy me a new house. Fuck her!”
    —Bernard Sanders

    “Bitch supported reproductive rights, racial equality, universal education, science, global climate-change programs, a living wage, and gay rights! Fuck that tyrant!”
    —Amy Goodman

  • What is robert mueller doing these days i wonder?

    • weejee

      Hopefully playing a no tRump hand.

      • Rags

        Double!

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      Wondering why Trump made no effort to hide his high crimes and misdemeanors?

      • “Seriously, it can’t POSSIBLY be this easy… I’d better recheck my work for the 700th time..”

    • Wild Cat

      Avoiding umbrellas.

      • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

        And tea.

    • Nockular cavity

      Setting up ALL the dominoes.

    • Covfefe’s Evil Twin

      NOT playing golf. NOT tweeting. NOT whining like a little baby.

    • Serai 1

      Working. As he should be.

  • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

    Republicans and Fox and Little Babby Donnie will whine about her “living in the past” and “not letting go”. And yet, the Trump still talks about his “great victory” and the previous wonket article was about KKKris KKKobach relitigating the election.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Still angry about the small crowds at inauguration.

  • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

    Guess who else isn’t shutting up? The thread is hilarious.
    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/906216872198189060

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
      • jowgajen

        I have nothing good to say about Bernie, but that meme is 100% nuts.

        • ariel_gee_398

          That twitter handle is not false advertising.

        • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

          Really? I would have to think about it more, but I find a very nasty quality in many of his statements. It’s a sort of backhanded shitting on people, with or without faint praise, and it drips narcissistic superiority and contempt.

          • jowgajen

            I agree with you that Bernie is a narcissist, but it’s a characteristic of most politicians. It takes a fat streak of something like ego to put yourself out there and do that job.

            I am also seriously disappointed in his inability to self examine and recognize his privilege and how modern policies have fallen short in executing our goal of ending ‘isms.

            But I’m not going to paint the guy as a monster. Lazy fucker, yup. Selfish asshole, sure. Egotistical white savior, definitely. His sins are venial.

          • Courser_Resistance

            Thank you! Cuz yes, I found him extremely fucking arrogant and superior. He was like ‘Jane, you ignorant slut’ at Hillary at most of the debates.

        • Serai 1

          Nope, it’s not. Bernie’s language is abusive, not to mention gaslighting.

    • And that bill will get just as far as the one I just announced here, right now.

      Hey guys, Let’s do medicare for all!

      I’m now officially more productive than Bernie Sanders, ’cause I didn’t help get Lord Dampnut elected.

      • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

        I am taking a wild guess that his bill will have the exact same text.

      • jowgajen

        The one thing it accomplishes is pulling the spectrum of choices to the left. If you are given the choice of modest fix, status quo, or blow it all the fuck up, then status quo looks kind of reasonable. If you are given the choice of vastly expand, modest fix, status quo, or blow it the fuck up, then modest fix is what looks reasonable. Offering leftist choices pulls the moderate band to the left.

        Edit: And we can’t ignore the Kamala Harris position. Medicare for all is unequivocally the right thing to do. Why should we leave the actual right thing to do off the table based upon whether people are willing to do it or not? Put it up there, get the convo going.

    • jesterpunk

      Does it include everyone getting a pony?

    • Courser_Resistance

      Meh, it’ll die an quick and painless death.

    • Serai 1
    • Serai 1
  • Moebym of the Returners

    And those men (and women) who reflexively wrote off the book as sour grapes because Hillary Clinton had written it had never read anything beyond the few pages that have been floating around.

    • lilith

      They’ve never read any actual facts about Hillary Clinton, period, they just know that they hate her because everyone else is doing it.

  • Daniel

    I haven’t read it yet, and I’ve barely read any extracts but what is absolutely clear is read the right way there’s a coded message in the book about her “pizza” sex parties on Mars with spirit cooks and all the people she killed personally with emails.

  • dslindc

    What? She isn’t including the secret emails about doing Benghazi and being a lesbian with Huma? Lame!

    • BearGHAZI

      Her editor wanted to put that stuff in, so she had him Vince Fostered

      • dslindc

        Typical. That Clinton body count is getting astronomical!

  • ChancellorKnuckles

    Am I the only one that wants to know more about the dogs? Preferably with photos.

    • dslindc

      They are probably very good dogs.

  • Does she discuss the basement of requirement at Comet Pizza? Or how she personally voted about 3 million times in New Hampshire? These are important topics.

    • ltmcdies

      I think that book is in the fiction stacks…..under the pseudonym..Steve Bannon

  • dslindc

    The threat of things being reorganized is a big reason I can’t marry. My OCD will not stand for that!

    • Hemp Dogbane

      I suspected my gf was commenting here. Now I have proof.

  • JMP

    The fake liberals who hate Hillary Clinton won’t be satisfied unless she commits seppuku in the middle of Times Square, while saying “Trump is all my fault for daring to beat The Messiah who was owed the nomination because he is The Truth and The Light, and he has a penis!”. They probably would demand that Chelsea do the same as well.

    • lilith

      And then they would STILL complain.

    • javadavis

      There would still be an uproar about it, probably something like she left a big mess in the middle of Times Square and didn’t even have the courtesy to come back from the dead and clean it up. And if she did come back from the dead to clean it up, the complaint would be that she was trying to upstage Jesus.

    • Courser_Resistance

      Many wouldn’t be satisfied until everyone from Bill, Hillz, Chelsea, her husband AND their kids were dead. And then they’d salt the ground they died on.

  • dslindc

    Does it come with any risotto recipes? Asking for a hungry friend.

    • Serai 1

      I’ve heard there are pizza coupons.

      • starfanglednut

        But you gotta go down to the basement of the pizza place to get your pizzas.

  • The current dominant media narrative about HRC’s book and tour are surprisingly good illustrations of Hillary’s points about her treatment by the media.

    • (((fka_donnie_d)))

      End of fucking file.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Bingo- they still all have it in for her

    • Serai 1

      Bigotry usually makes people prove the arguments against them.

      • Andy_Kreiss

        I’ve seen several examples of that at another site recently. And usually it’s another lame attempt to expose everybody else as The Real Bigots® that accidentally confesses their bigotry.

        • Kevin Schmidt

          Kinda like the DNC confessing in front of a judge a few months back to stealing the Democratic Primary and asserting their right to screw Democratic voters and pick whoever the hell the neoliberals want to pick.

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            Yeah, except they didn’t do that… but sure! Kinda!!

          • Andy_Kreiss

            One of the most spectacular “Kinda like” deflection fails I’ve seen in a while.

          • Andy_Kreiss

            What’s “kinda like” that?

          • Tiny kaiju

            When your toddler tells you that the dog ate all the cookies, not him. And he only has crumbs on his face cuz the dog kissed him after she ate all the cookies. Which he can 100% prove because of that one time the dog stole his cookie, right out of his hand. The broken cookie jar is fake news and a red herring, which the dog broke anyway if it actual broken at all.
            I think it might be “kinda like” that.

          • Kevin Schmidt

            The Democratic National Committee is currently defending the tactics it used last year to rig the presidential primary against Sen. Bernie Sanders in a class-action lawsuit, brazenly telling voters in a court of law that the party is not obligated to run a fair and impartial primary election.

            http://mobile.wnd.com/2017/05/dnc-we-rigged-primaries-so-what/

            Yet another reason why Hillary lost and why the neoliberal democrats can’t win elections.

          • Andy_Kreiss

            That wasn’t my question. Try to focus.

          • Kevin Schmidt

            Your question actually asked me to repeat myself. Focus yourself.

          • Andy_Kreiss

            No. You can’t read. And you linked to WorldNutDaily, so you go into the Basket of Ignorables.

            Adiós, moron.

          • Jennifer Litton Tidd

            He uses Rush terms, post links to right wing coorporate propaganda on another thread and now world Nut daily? This is no Bernie-bro. This guy is a full on right winger. I’m done too, have wasted far too much time arguing with him. I’m kicking myself

          • Andy_Kreiss

            Yep, another Stoopid trumpanzee trying toddler-level Psy Ops. The crappy reading comprehension is one of many tells.

            What bugs me is how many Clinton supporters unquestioningly accept their BS.

          • Kevin Schmidt

            Thanks for signing your name, but we already knew you were a moron.

          • Jennifer Litton Tidd

            Forgive Kevin Schmidt for he knows not what he types. I found him mildly amusing at first, but he’s a bit of a one trick pony. I think my favorite part of Kevvy’s sullen rants are his telling Democrats to stop having tantrums over losing last November, only to break back into his own tragic tantrum over losing last March. I bet he’s REAL fun at parties. You know the kind who approach you, eyes sparkling with purpose, who start ranting after he haughtily adjusts his tin-foil hat. You have to pretend to have to pee in order to escape.

          • Kevin Schmidt

            Thanks for not disputing anything in any of my comments. That means you have nuttin’ honey!
            Except that you completely discredit yourself with illogical, uncivil, juvenile personal attacks.

          • Jennifer Litton Tidd

            I’ve disputed most of your claims. You’re just simply like most Right wingers who only trust dubious and biased sources, who doubt anything legitimate or written by any kind of peer reviewed scholar

          • Kevin Schmidt

            Hilllary and her rabid Hillbots are actually right wing. There is nothing legitimate about them. Which is why they and Hillary are so unpopular.

      • Papa Guns

        Like when james Clyburn was made to prove that tea party protesters spit on him but he couldn’t because video proved that he was lying?

    • disqus_lWwzrwNaw6

      Yeah, it’s pure confirmation bias.

      I also note, in dark, brooding moments, that the tiny handful of very, very rich men who now control virtually all of our mainstream journalism hunger and thirst for their tax cuts, their deregulation, their union-busting, their “binding arbitration,” and their liberation from the obligations of democratic societies (things like the safety net and the civil libertarian tradition).

      They hunger and thirst for the very things, in short, that led men like Les Moonves, Rupert Murdoch, Pinch Sulzberger, David Rhodes, and Jeff Zucker to do everything they could to make sure Republicans would win lots and lots of races in the first place.

      They’re not about to allow Hillary or anyone else to become an actual “leader of the opposition” or any sort of rallying figure with the power to move public opinion on issues like tax cuts, deregulation, union-busting, etc.

      Ain’t gonna happen. Henceforth all Democrats have feet of clay: henceforth Donald is “changing the game” and “pivoting” and “confounding Beltway expectations,” world without end, amen.

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    • Lewis’ Law remains infallible, and apparently applies to the media as well as the internet.

    • Papa Guns

      Is that why Amazon and other outlets slashed the price of her book by 40% before it ever hit the shelves?

      • Tiny kaiju

        Because you don’t know how the retail or publishing industries work?

  • Tom65

    The book hasn’t even been released yet, yet for two weeks she and her publisher have been leaking passages that just happen to point fingers at Sanders. Yeah, no ax to grind there.

    Enough already.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Gee, why would a publisher out to sell books use the juiciest pieces as bait to sell them? It is a puzzlement…

      • Beanz&Berryz

        Socialist Capitalism… Pure Capitalists sell you shit labeled 100% pure shit… Right…

    • Uh Tom, there are only a couple of leaked comments about Sanders. They are just endlessly being repeated by outraged Bernie bros. Enough already.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      actually dipshit, releasing tidbits ahead of time is SOP in the publishing biz, and no, they haven’t all “been pointing fingers at Sanders”.

      So take your butthurt fee fees out of here- we’re sick of all the Bro™ whining

      • feminazipenisshrinker

        Bros only hear words that they want to hear. They drown out everything else and deny the words were every spoken.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          IOW- just like their counterparts the teatards- they’re delusional

    • jesterpunk

      If you’re not, be sure to fill out a comment card and send it to Eat Me at Your Mom dot com.

    • BigCSouthside

      You know Sanders got his ass kicked outright in the primaries right?

      She’s right to be upset. Bernie went from competitor to bomb thrower when he knew he’d lose. A smart progressive knows that to make change you must either directly have power, or have allies in power. Bernie did not care. He was being selfish. If he really cared about progressive agenda items, he wouldn’t have weakened the candidate that could actually help deliver it, thus handing power over to the most regressive administration possible.

      • Thiazin Red

        And if we got rid of those anti-democratic bullshit caucuses it would have been an even huger ass kicking.

    • Ricky Gay
    • ltmcdies

      oh no…it’s will never enough…

      this is the notice, kids , that Democratic Party is likely not gonna just hand Bernie the keys because he thinks he’s owed them.

      You wanted a fight…looks like your getting a fight.

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      Bernie has attacked the Democratic Party and demanded they bow to his demands nonstop since the election. Do you also find this objectionable?

    • Courser_Resistance

      Not nearly enough. Bernie needs to sit his old, white man ass down and shut the fuck up. His record on minorities and women is fucking pathetic. Name me ONE fucking piece of legislation he’s proposed and followed through to see into law. He may have lent his signature to a few things but he himself has never proposed any significant legislation.

      So get the fuck off your Purity Pony mount and go soak your head.

      • jesterpunk

        He umm named a post office. Seriously he has less legislation written in all the time he has been in congress then just about anyone. 7 bills in almost 27 years.

        https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?sponsor=400357#enacted_ex=on

        • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

          :::follows link:::

          Geez… two of the seven were about naming a Post Office.

          • jesterpunk

            He also recognized Vermont too.

          • Roadstergal

            _I_ can recognize Vermont. Pretty trees and white people.

          • jesterpunk

            They also have Ben and Jerry’s and teddy bears.

  • “Waas Sappening”
    –As told to Cheech Marin
    https://media2.giphy.com/media/iYi1Ni72bS12/giphy.gif

  • Anytime someone says, “Well, I (or they) voted for Trump because Hillary was so awful” my immediate follow-up question is, “Really, so they would have voted for Biden or Warren or Sanders or Harris?”

    The usual response I get is for the person to sidestep answering that question and talk more about how awful Hillary was.

    • BigCSouthside

      I usually ask them to name me things that made Hillary awful

      • Thiazin Red

        Yes, asking for specific non bullshit things usually shuts them up. Or they just repeat the vague claims about her terribleness.

        • BigCSouthside

          Most of what I hear in return is 100% false. Like pants on fire politifact rating. Then the rest is either her personality, or bill.

          I am yet to hear someone say something like “she favors a hawkish foreign policy that can lead us into future foreign entanglements that are damaging”.

      • Crystalclear12

        I go with:
        If Hillary is awful what is Trump?

      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        It’s the same thing as when I ask what precisely Nancy Pelosi did that made her responsible for the DNC’s inability to get Dems elected. It’s usually just a stream of repetitive bullshit, and then poof, they’re gone.

      • I stopped asking that because the responses I was getting were so far unhinged from reality that the sheer quality of stupid hurt my brain.

        • javadavis

          That sounds like a method of sorting true wing nut faux watchers from people still capable of thought, so it could still have its uses.

        • Courser_Resistance

          Same here. Once I knocked down their misinformed excuse, it would just devolve to, “Well, I just hate her.”

          There’s not much point after that.

          • Stranded Devonian Lungfish

            Exactly. I’m always gobsmacked by their assertions, because *nothing* I can say will alter their alternate reality. It’s a waste of time and really bad for my blood pressure. But sometimes I can’t help myself…

          • starfanglednut

            She lies! Her pantsuits are ugly!

          • IdRatherBeDancing

            She’s awful because she uses her husband’s name for her own fame — my fucking niece actually said that as she pimped for Gary Johnson — I went apeshit on her and told her to research one Hillary Rodham who absolutely did not need her husband’s name to solidify her own accomplishments. My niece the sexist dumbass!

        • javadavis

          Also too, though, that sounds like a sad statement on what we are up against in reality world. The world where the fact that there has not been a 500 year storm in 12 years proves that you liberals are so stupid lol thinking climate change is real (I saw that on twitter and just don’t know if it was satire or stupid – sadly, the odds are it was stupid.)

      • jesterpunk

        I saw someone say its Hillary’s fault the right has been attacking her for 30+ years and that should disqualify her. That had to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

        • javadavis

          Wow – if you could just get them to excise that “It’s Hillary’s fault…” part of the statement they might be on to something.

          • jesterpunk

            It was one of the Bernie bros that pops up here when an article about Hillary or Kamala Harris is posted.

      • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
    • HellhathnofuryDemme

      Bravo for you!
      I usually end the conversation right there.

  • Crystalclear12

    At least she stayed a Democrat.

  • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

    I’m sitting in Tompkins Square Park (NYC) on a gorgeous day (not unlike the perfectly beautiful weather we had on 9/11/01). I’m thinking about all the liberal/leftist political actions that happened here – about our “revolution” that almost, almost meant something.

    I’m thinking about the fact that Hillary Clinton, a politician with a sterling progressive voting record, ran on one of the most progressive platforms of any candidate in recent history. I’m thinking about how so many NYC purity ponies drank the Cool Aid and were more than willing to believe that she was, indeed, the Devil incarnate and hated her guts.

    Oh well – that’s the way the culture crumbles.

    • Courser_Resistance

      :::sob:::

    • Lori S

      The important word in “hater her guts” is “her.”

    • Matt S

      A sterling progressive voting record? The woman who cosponsored legislation to make flag burning illegal? The woman who, along with many, voted in favor of the war in Iraq? And when did she start supporting same-sex marriage? After how many others did?

      Look, I voted for Hillary in the general election because I believed, without a doubt, that she was the better of the two candidates. But please stop mythologizing her. Progressive candidates don’t have give multiple closed-door, $200,000 speeches to Goldman Sachs.

      This isn’t about purity. This is about believing that the candidate supports the ideals that you do. I don’t think she’s the devil. I think she’s wrong about a lot of things. I think she sees the world in a way and from a position very different from how I and a lot of people in this country do.

      • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

        Yes – I hated her Iraq vote (and I thought she could be politically craven), but she was a progressive Democrat by any measure; she voted with Bernie Sanders 93 percent of the time.

        She was far from perfect but she was honest, and she was the best shot we had to lock in meaningful social change.

      • Jennifer Litton Tidd

        And as a male, you can’t see the issues the way a woman does ever. She’s a hero to millions of American women. Many of us needed her book for closure. I know I really did. Her loss was the most painful election loss I’ve ever experienced. I expected it though. I was born in 1965 and have spent my life watching half witted mediocre males get jobs over far more experienced females. It happened to me twice when I was working in corporate America. I was once despondent about it which turned to anger. Now I’m becoming bitter. What really enraged me from young Bernie males was being dismissed as a “vagina voter.” My 1st election was in 1984. In 8 elections of my life, my only choices were male, yet nobody ever called me a “penis voter.” I think Hillary is an extraordinary woman and I grew up with her in my life almost my whole adult life. I want a female POTUS badly. But I wanted her specifically because of her record she also her strength. The first woman POTUS will be abused constantly and raked over the coals like no other POTUS ever has been. HRC had the strength to withstand that. I’m 52 years old. I won’t see a woman POTUS elected before I die. As a feminist and rape Justice activist, that is incredibly painful for me. It’s viscerally painful for millions of women. I’m grateful she wrote this book for us and to us. She didn’t have to expose herself to this sick twisted misogynist bile she gets from sexists in both extremes, but she did it again for us one last time. I don’t give a flying fuck men want her “to just go away.” I want her to do whatever she wants to do for however long she wants to do it. My only consolation is, most of these angry white males who think the system is rigged against them will someday wake up and reaslize how wrong they were and what we lost in 2016. I may not live to see it, but knowing it will happen is good enough for me.

  • ariel_gee_398

    Hills has every right in the world to put out her book and go on her speaking tour and whatever, and the response of the Bernie stans is predictable. But assuming that they aren’t all bots, and some of them should be Democratic voters, how on earth do you get them to stop this nonsense and focus on midterms? Telling them to STFU just won’t work.

    • jesterpunk

      Send them some donuts and bottled water, then they will have something else to cry about while the adults work on the important things.

    • LeftyProud

      That is what I was trying to say – eyes front, focus on the midterms. Maybe I did not say it correctly, but folks decided that I was an HRC hater, which i am certainly not.

      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        We’re a year and a half out from the midterms, and honestly, this is a conversation that needs to happen. Because burying this fight just means it will come back up at the worst times.

        • LeftyProud

          That’s true. A real conversation is needed, not sniping.

        • ariel_gee_398

          Midterms are a year and two months away, and we already have candidates declaring for Senate and House races. By “focus on midterms” I don’t mean the horserace bullshit of it, but talking about the cohesive Democratic platform that is the alternative to conservatism and Trumpism in particular.

          I don’t have any faith that this conversation ends after the book tour, that’s kind of my point. There will always be some trigger that brings this back up, how do we get people to move past it?

          • Beanz&Berryz

            And with the midterms a year and two months away, the campaigns for the midterms start well less than a year from now…

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      They will do the same thing they did in the 2010 midterms. Perhaps the solution is to first elect someone who is not blah or having vazheen and not talking about those people. Cenk Uygur, maybe?

    • catnmus

      You know who should be spending more time on that? Bernie Sanders.

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        He’s still busy turning them against the Democrats.

      • jesterpunk

        DNC leadership should too, but instead they invite Bernie along to trash Democrats and let him pick leaders and people for the “unity council”.They have even said he could run in 2020 if he wants to.

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          I’ve seen conflicting accounts about whether the unity council is pushing for all caucuses but seriously fuck them if they are.

          • jesterpunk

            They are pushing caucuses in states they think Bernie would have won.

          • Resistance Fighter Astraea

            Oh ok. That’s way more important than ensuring a fair process that every Democrat can access!

          • jesterpunk

            That would be silly, its more important for them to tell all of us that voted for Hillary that we are all wrong and should go away because they want free ponies.

    • BigCSouthside

      Many I have encountered share some tricking personality traits with trump voters, most notably they are incredibly naive and prone to excessive wishful thinking.

      This makes them hard to reach. Progressivism is a bannerless army. It has marched with republicans and democrats. Right now it is EXTREMELY obvious which group we should march with, but most of the true berners I know are basically throwing temper tantrums because they didn’t get their magical revolution immediately.

      • ariel_gee_398

        It’s true about the shared traits with Trumpers. I worry A LOT about the left-field bullshit that people seem willing to believe these days. If there’s no truth and no reality, you can’t win people over other than by telling the best lie.

        • BigCSouthside

          This was the brilliance of Roger Ailes. Watch any fox show with a named pundit. There is always a segment where said pundit reads a very simple propaganda-esque statement riddled with buzzwords, and the text of the statement is shown on screen.

          Simple lies are easier than complex truths. If you know how to crack that nut, I’m all ears, because I too lament the death of critical thinking

          • ariel_gee_398

            The propaganda is one thing, but I’m talking about the birthers, the flat-earthers, the pizzagate believers, the benghazi and 9-11 truthers. The motherfuckers that still think Sandy Hook was a false flag operation. Look at these results from a pre-election poll of Trump voters:
            -65% think President Obama is a Muslim, only 13% think he’s a Christian.
            -59% think President Obama was not born in the United States, only 23% think that he was.
            -27% think vaccines cause autism, 45% don’t think they do, another 29% are not sure.
            -24% think Antonin Scalia was murdered, just 42% think he died naturally, another 34% are unsure.

            People buying into propaganda is one thing. You can be deprogrammed. But if you’re not willing to accept reality, you can’t be deprogrammed. I honestly have no clue what we do about it, but damn it scares me. The more people who fall down these rabbit holes, the worse Dem chances of winning elections.
            http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/05/gop-quickly-unifies-around-trump-clinton-still-has-modest-lead.html

          • BigCSouthside

            I have faith in my generation and the ones after it. The ones growing up with the internet in their pocket. As long as they learn how to ID a good source vs a bullshit one, we might be ok.

      • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

        Progressivism is predicated on large-scale, sweeping changes, something that our entire system of government was specifically designed not to do. Aside from some very unique circumstances (like The Great Depression or war) our system of governing has always been built on incremental movements.

        • BigCSouthside

          Yep. Progressives need to learn a little game theory, and need to realize we make change not by conquest, but by infiltration.

          • Matt S

            Democratic candidates are losing at every level of government. It’s time for a different plan, or different infiltrators.

            I agree that our system was made to make small changes. But those small changes need to be toward bigger goals. The average working person doesn’t think a person who makes closed-door, $200,000 speeches to Goldman Sachs is going to steer the system, however slowly, in a direction that will help them.

          • jesterpunk

            So they voted for an Orange Moron who has cheated people out of money and lives in a golden palace? Then appointed half of Goldman’s board to his cabinet?

          • BigCSouthside

            so…throw a temper tantrum and let a billionaire moron who lives in a gold plated apartment steer it in a “direction that will help them”?

    • Matt S

      Stop what nonsense? The Bernie folks aren’t the ones putting out a book and rehashing the entire debacle.

      This is what bothers me. Hillary puts out a book and then a bunch of her supporters write articles saying how the book says Sanders’ “attacks” on Hillary were a major reason she lost. Then, Sanders’ supporters rebut this argument, by showing how Sanders’ “attacks” were pretty mild, especially given what else was being said about Clinton, and that Clinton made worse attacks against Obama in the 08 primary (remember when she said McCain was more qualified than Obama, because I sure as heck do). And they also bring up the multiple other problems with the campaign, such as Clinton’s Goldman-Sachs speeches/connection, her vote for the Iraq war, her sponsorship of a bill criminalizing flag burning, her decision to make the campaign about fear of Trump rather than hope for a better America, and her failure to campaign in Wisconsin and Michigan.

      And the Bernie supporters get blamed for dividing the party. That’s absurd.

      • Serai 1

        Yeah, because it’s JUST SO HARD to ignore a book with all those GUNS pointed at your head.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f2857760e656ee2688a77904109e1a2563281bf5d0eff407784f42110e9993fc.gif

      • IdRatherBeDancing

        You mean those “mild” attacks like the completely false political ad that essentially stated (falsely I might add) that HRC accepted speaker fees from GS while SOS. (that is illegal and you cannot do that, and she did not do that while SOS) You mean that mild lil Bernie attack that was intended to prove her corruption. Please. As the primary wore on, and when it was clear to anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of first-grade math that Bernie had no path to victory, he got more strident and shrill in his attacks. It was over when this fucking asshole of an ad ran.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        The Bernie folks aren’t the ones putting out a book and rehashing the entire debacle.

        LOLWUT? He just put out a book on Aug 29th called ‘Bernie Sanders Guide To Political Revolution’

        WTF are you even talking about?

  • jesterpunk

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/the-racist-side-of-bernie-sanders-supporters

    Black writers and activists who have had the temerity to challenge Sanders’s record have been targeted by his supporters in ways that go against not just civility but even decency. I should know. I’m one of them. For having the gall to share my perspective, buoyed by polling data, that self-described socialists are pretty much unelectable to the American presidency, his supporters attempted to harass me offline. (Emphasis on “attempted.”)

    Let me explain what I mean by “harass.”

    While thankfully, I have someone who works for me and wades through much of my mail and social media so I can spend as much time as possible writing (and maintaining my sanity and sense of humor), for more than a week Sanders supporters flooded my accounts with nonstop accusations—one more over the top than the next. I am “a disgrace,” “a liar,” a secret paid Hillary Clinton “mole” or “shill.” Apparently it is beyond the realm of possibility that I, as a free-thinking individual with access to polling data and a fairly vigorous intellect of my own may not consider their chosen candidate a strong one. Simply not possible. After all, as one white Sanders supporter informed me: “You need to be better informed on the needs of black people.” Thanks for the tip!

    But there were a couple of messages that made their way to me that were particularly troubling. One Sanders supporter pleaded on Facebook for others to stop attacking me and try to “inform me.” (Again this denotes I couldn’t possibly be educated because I don’t agree with them, but at least he sounded civil.) To which another replied, “She chooses to ignore the issues and work for her own personal interest. If that is the case then to me everything is allowed as long as it’s not physical violence.”

    • Chyron HR

      Apparently Ms. Goff is not aware that MLK was basically Bernie’s sidekick. Hopefully Sen. Sanders can make that clearer the next time announces that white working class lives are what really matter.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    I can’t wait to read this. Fuck the haters.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      I was so excited to get the email from amazon that it is on its way!

  • Ellie

    Where are all the complaints about Bernie Sanders’ book? Why aren’t people telling him to stop complaining. Why aren’t they telling him to shut up because the election is over? Oh, never mind. I know the answer.

    • catnmus

      Has anyone asked Sanders if he feels like HE did enough to try to convince his “Bernie bros” to vote for Clinton? Is THAT in his book? Because that’s kinda what I want to know.

      • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

        And how he feels about the Russian interference on his behalf.

    • ltmcdies

      Bernie wrote a book….you mean the one’s that like 2000 something on book list…

    • Bernie wrote TWO books. And while he was complaining about Hillary writing her book and going on a book tour he was ON A BOOK TOUR. He’s just pissed that once again, she’s outgunned him in every way imaginable. I mean, people are actually talking about her book and it’s not even out yet.

      • Lori S

        His book is so irrelevant that even he doesn’t talk about it. He talks about hers.

        • HooverVilles

          Now ain’t that interesting?

  • GoutMachine

    Rearranging bookshelves? THAT MONSTER!

  • SadDemInTex

    Thanks for the link. I bought the Kindle version.

  • NastyBossetti

    he is reading this over my shoulder

    When MrBossetti reads over my shoulder, I start to think about divorce. It’s probably my biggest pet peeve.

    • natoslug

      Same here. Although that is because I do a lot of reading on the toilet, and really feel uncomfortable when people crouch on the tank behind me.

      • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

        But at the least, you have to admire their acrobatic ability.

      • H0mer0

        I’m sorry, I didn’t realize I was annoying you.

  • lucidamente

    Why couldn’t Bill and Hillz have a real marriage, like Donnie and Ivana . . . and Marla . . . and Melon.

    • BigCSouthside

      I always HATED that shit.

      I mean, for sanctity of marriage folks, they did EXACTLY WHAT YOU WOULD WANT THEM TO DO.

    • JD Mulvey

      and a couple of Russian pee hookers.

  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    Hillary’s publisher won’t have to buy remaindered copies of her book to make it a best seller. That poses off people like…well, all of the right wing “writers”.

  • JD Mulvey

    She’s got a lot of splainin’ to do about how she ran such a lousy campaign that got the most votes and how the other guy was so much of a better candidate and got less votes and also how that other other guy ran a really great campaign that got even less votes.

    Those dudes were brilliant campaigners, obviously, whereas everybody hates Hillary, obviously, especially those 65 million people who she tricked into voting for her because she’s so slimy.

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      Between her, Bernie, and Donnie, she really stands out as unlikable, doesn’t she. What were they thinking?

  • Courser_Resistance

    I’ve probably mentioned (maybe only a gazillion times) that the Clinton’s that not only turned me away from being Republican (NOT a Mean One. A left-leaning one that DID exist back then) and converted me to a Libtard Democrat.

    What happened in their marriage (Bill being a cheating dog) is between them. I will say that the ex-bf cheated too. It hurts a lot and there’s yelling and crying, etc. But we were also best friends like I suspect Hillz and Bill are. Hell, we’re still good friends and probably always will be. His mom is the wonderful mother-in-law I never had (yet I consider her my mom-in-law and I think she sees me the same way). Everyone needs a Jewish mother in law :-) The feminist in me sort of hated myself about it but Greg (ex bf) never outlied lied to me – if I asked him directly, he’d tell me. And I’m not perfect either. We all have flaws and make mistakes. Sometimes we can get past them, sometimes we can’t. But infidelity is not the worst of the sins or at least it doesn’t have to be.

    I can completely believe that Bill is good company and someone that was of great comfort to her. Also too, it is now ancient history and deserves to be buried, once and for all. Bill could have sat on his ass and done bupkis after the presidency. He didn’t.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Really liking one’s partner is a really good thing…

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      As many other people have said – the same people who scream “sanctity of marriage” and applaud conservative women who refuse to leave their husbands when they do things that are 10-100x worse can’t stop themselves from slamming Hillary for not leaving Bill. Which leads me to believe that they are quite…flexible…on their moral judgments.

      • Funny how all the Repugnicans who brought impeachment proceedings against him were cheating on their wives at the time.

        • Catstro

          Well, aside from Denny Hastert, and that’s only because I’m not sure that I personally consider raping boys cheating on one’s wife. But that’s probably a matter of semantics.

  • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

    Frankly, I’m kind of the opinion that the people who think that we need to tamp down on the Dem-left civil war are whistling past the graveyard. This is a fight we’re having, whether we want to acknowledge it or not, and it needs to happen: we’re also a year and a half out from the midterms, so it’s not like we’re doing anything constructive about that right now anyway.

    We have a problem in a large cohort of our fellow travelers. Specifically, a chunk of mostly white males who make up Bernie’s faction and who are even now feverishly reinforcing a modern day stab-in-the-back legend regarding Bernie and the DNC that is metastasizing from fringe belief to accepted article of faith among the Lefty-er. If we don’t actually discuss this and have it out, it’s going to resurface when we need it the least. And if you think their rage was specifically directed at Hillary, you’re mistaken: it’s rapidly growing to anyone and anything remotely connected to the DNC.

    We’re going to have a fight about this. We *need* to have a fight about this, and the sooner the better. I know it’s exhausting and seems counterproductive, but the longer we wait to deal with these people the more entrenched and embittered they’ll get, and the more elections we’ll end up losing.

    • ltmcdies

      this observer agrees..

      The fights coming…it can’t be avoided. the “hard left progressive” movement is bound and determined, it appears , to attempt to co-opt the Democratic party because they know damn well they are nothing on their own.

      • Matt S

        Co-opt the Democratic party to do what, fight for working people?

        Can someone please tell me what the Clinton wing of the party represents? Because I saw her lag behind on most leading progressive issues. She lagged on same-sex marriage, she lagged on increasing the minimum wage, she lagged on affordable college. She still lags on single-payer healthcare in any form, though it is dominant in the rest of the western world. And I remember her supporting war in Iraq, war that even as I 20-year-old knew was a stupid idea.

        To me, the Clinton wing appears to be in bed with big business. It’s coopted by the donor class. It’s conservatism-light with lip service to progressive social issues.

        • shivaskeeper

          Are you a registered Democratic Party member?

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            I’m gonna guess that’s a “no”. Just a guess, mind.

        • ltmcdies

          https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

          Lagging? Wow there’s a crime. You don’t get brownie points for being first over the line.

          Sometimes you can be first over the line but get nothing much done for 30 years.

          Barack Obama was a work in progress on the issue of gay marriage…but he got there and stood up for it.

          oh and how do the comments on this tweet help any POC think you lot are in their corner

          This is the damn chair of the Unity committee whining because they called out by a magazine aimed at POC.

          https://twitter.com/NomikiKonst/status/907294912219140097

          • jesterpunk

            I like how they ignore everything she did in Arkansas and when she was first lady, in congress and SOS and just decide Hillary was only for things because of Bernie.

          • IdRatherBeDancing

            Those two bitches — hate both of them with the heat and fury of 10,000 suns.

          • Little Lulu Ω

            Amen!

        • Rebel Scum with permit

          Of course. The purity ponies will take over the Democratic Party, their presidential candidate will get elected with all those $20.00 campaign contributions, (and I’m not being totally sarcastic- if Trump could happen that could happen) and then corporate interests will go away and the new President will never have to worry about what they want or about garnering their support for any reason(now I am being sarcastic).

        • BigCSouthside

          Have you seen modern “conservatism” by chance?

          There are enormous differences between the democrats and republicans on every issue you mentioned.

          She had hundreds of pages addressing every single issue mentioned, it may not have been everything you wanted over night, but they were viable, and liberal. this is the nature of progress. One party is at least slowly moving forward, but the other party is actively trying to push us back.

          Progressives do not have the firepower or manpower to engage in a long term political battle with the republicans. Get on the Democratic ship, let’s win some fucking elections, and work with the reasonable people with the experience and contacts necessary to make some goddamn change.

          • Jennifer Litton Tidd

            They’re mainly angry white males who’d rather be right than happy.

        • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
          • AnnieGetYerFun

            This is just everything I need right now.

        • jesterpunk

          She lagged on affordable college.

          https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/05/27/arkansas-single-parents-scholarship-helps-pay-living-expenses

          She applied to the Arkansas Single Parent Scholarship Fund, a resource that she hadn’t known about the first time around. The program provides discretionary aid to low-income parents who have primary custody of their children. Condon, it seemed, fit the bill perfectly. This summer, at 29, she will graduate — debt-free — with an associate degree in emergency management.

          The scholarship program started in 1990, when two county-level programs decided to expand statewide. Hillary Clinton, then the first lady of Arkansas, helped get the program off the ground and went on to serve as the board president for three years.

          She still lags on single-payer healthcare in any form

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993

          According to an address to Congress by then-President Bill Clinton on September 22, 1993, the proposed bill would provide a “health care security card” to every citizen that would irrevocably entitle him or her to medical treatment and preventative services, including for pre-existing conditions.[2]

          To achieve this, the Clinton health plan required each US citizen and permanent resident alien to become enrolled in a qualified health plan on his or her own or through programs mandated to be offered by businesses with more than 5,000 full-time employees. Subsidies were to be provided to those too poor to afford coverage, including complete subsidies for those below a set income level. Users would choose plans offered by regional health alliances to be established by each state. These alliances would purchase insurance coverage for the state’s residents and could set fees for doctors who charge per procedure.[3][4] The act provided funding to be sent to the states for the administration of the plan, beginning at $14 billion in 1993 and reaching $38 billion in 2003.

          The plan also specified which benefits must be offered; a National Health Board to oversee the quality of health care services; enhanced physician training; the creation of model information systems; federal funding in the case of the insolvency of state programs; rural health programs; long-term care programs; coverage for abortions, with a “conscience clause” to exempt practitioners with religious objections; malpractice and antitrust reform; fraud prevention measures; and a prescription drug benefit for Medicare, among other features.

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          I think Hillary was once extremely liberal and progressive; I think she just got wise to the way the game was played in Washington after having her name dragged through the mud for the umpteenth time.

          • jesterpunk

            There where a few good documentaries last year about her. I think it was frontline on PBS that covered exactly what your talking about. When Bill was running for governor and POTUS she had to change who she was to get accepted by people. She even got shit on for not baking cookies when Bill ran for POTUS. She learned over time how to play the games and how to work in the system to change things.

          • Roadstergal

            Oh god, I remember Cookiegate.

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            Oh, I remember those days well. It was formative for me; nothing a woman says can’t be immediately taken out of context and used against her.

          • H0mer0

            I heard she made the best darn cookies in the bunch (along with SCHIP)

          • Tiny kaiju

            And if she had been more Bernie than Bernie, she would have been pilloried for being a socialist rabble rouser and making unfullable promises.

        • ryp

          To me the Bernie wing appears to be in bed with anti-Democratic authoritarians who seek to weaken the progressive movement by defining others out of it. It’s co-opted by the whiner class. It’s Marxism-light with lip service to progressive economic issues.

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            Wow, really?

          • ryp

            That element exists, but really I was just illustrating how the simplistic broad brush Matt S. uses to define “The Clinton Wing” can be used against “The Bernie wing” as well.

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            Ah, gotcha. I’m slow these days.

        • ariel_gee_398

          You’re right. Hillary totally would have had 5 former Goldman employees in her Cabinet and let ALEC write bills for her.

        • Serai 1
        • Courser_Resistance

          Oh stick it up your ass. Hillary Clinton has done more for working folks and WOMEN of ALL COLORS in her lifetime than most politicians. Calling her an ‘elitist’ is fucking slander. Yes, she knows how to move in those circles. How else are you going to get corporate partners to throw money and influence towards your progressive ideals and programs? Urge them to become better corporate citizens. And it’s fucking working!

          So sit down and shut the fuck up. You obviously don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

          • Little Lulu Ω

            Thank you!

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          Hillary Clinton tried to pass single payer in the early 1990s, and Republicans had a massive victory in the mid terms. She’s pragmatic, and is not going to try to sell ideas that are never going to happen – like free college.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          go to her campaign website – there’s tons of information there.

          • Jennifer Litton Tidd

            They’d prefer to read anti-Hillary Putin propaganda

        • Tiny kaiju

          Because people never change or adapt, right? The bestest people were born with ideas and will die with those ideas unchanged. Mostly because they die young due to stupid choices, but hey, at least they never compromised.

        • Jennifer Litton Tidd

          “Working people” is the white male liberal euphemism for white male labor. Working class women and working class POC voted for Hillary. Her problem was with mainly white working class. 97% of black women voted for Hillary Clinton. Are you going to say 97% of black women aren’t working class?

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      The fight has been brewing since 2009 – it’s just now reached the boil-over point. The biggest issue, for me, is people who don’t want to be a part of the Democratic Party demand a seat at the table to change the way the Party operates (whether by demanding primaries be “open”, or eliminating superdelegates, or what have you). Bernie quit as soon as it was no longer convenient for him, and yet he continues to act as if he can dictate terms like some conquering general.

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        Huh, that’s not how I see Bernie or his legacy (and although I liked Bernie in the beginning, I was just as happy to vote for Hillary). Didn’t he quit because he didn’t have enough delegates? And doesn’t he continue to have a voice because he has influence? I’m not saying I agree with everything he says, not by a long shot.

        • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

          He stated he was elected to the Senate as an independent, and thus he will remain an independent through the balance of his term (he had previously stated once he declared he was running for the Democratic nomination that he would run as a Democratic candidate going forward). He has influence, but the influence is with people who don’t want to be a part of the party structure but want to fundamentally alter it from the outside.

          • Roadstergal

            For me, it’s like you’re not living in my house or kicking in to for expenses or housework, but you’re telling me how to do the yard and choose my furniture.

            If you want to change the party, join the party. Contribute money and/or volunteer work as well as your two cents. If you want a Purity Party, start a Purity Party. Do the volunteer work for that one.

          • jesterpunk
          • what, me worry?

            The Democratic Party isn’t a house, and you aren’t the owner of it. If being a Democrat means advocating policies that are historically Democratic, then Sanders is more a Democrat than Hillary ever was.

            If it just means kicking dues to party functionaries who actively oppose the policies you care about, I’m wondering what you think the function of a political party is, exactly?

            If the Party can expect our support, our money, and our votes, regardless the quality of the candidate they offer up, what incentive does the party have to offer better candidates?

          • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

            Hillary was a Democrat while Bernie was an Independent in the 90s.

          • what, me worry?

            What does it mean to be a Democrat? Honest question. Is it just calling yourself a Democrat, or are their some belief systems you’re supposed to have as well?

          • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

            Supporting the party, through the good and the bad. Fighting for the party. When has Bernie done any of that?

          • what, me worry?

            No matter what policies the Party chooses to support?

            That’s the kind of Party before Country bullshit we yell at Republicans for.

          • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

            Guess what: you want a change in policies, then join our party and fight for your ideas. Don’t come into our house, make a mess, and then demand we clean it up.

          • what, me worry?

            Again, it isn’t a house, and you don’t own it anyway.

            In case you haven’t noticed, Democrats are falling all over themselves to abandon Hillary’s “never gonna happen” healthcare position, and sign on to Bernie’s Medicare for All.

            We’re winning the policy battle, while Hillary continues to whine about the primary. And she’s the one who won it.

            Go read her book and wallow in her self-pity. Remember, it’s everyone’s fault but Hers.

            We’ll do the work of actually promoting policies that will help people.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            your coming was foretold to e.

          • what, me worry?

            You missed me. Admit it.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            nope, I can just predict when you’ll show up. It’s not a great skill, you’re pretty predictable.

          • what, me worry?

            Predictable = consistent. I’ll take that as the compliment you didn’t mean.

            Thank you.

          • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

            It is a house. Political parties are organic, meaning they represent those who join them. It’s no different than football teams in a division. As a Steelers fan, I don’t want Ravens, Browns, or Bengals staffers commenting on our draft picks.

            In case you haven’t noticed, Democrats are falling all over themselves to abandon Hillary’s “never gonna happen” healthcare position, and sign on to Bernie’s Medicare for All.

            McConnell will ensure it doesn’t pass and even if it passes the Senate, guess who is the current House Speaker? Paul Ryan. You honestly believe that Ryan is going to allow a Bernie bill out of committee, let alone the full House floor?

            We’re winning the policy battle, while Hillary continues to whine about the primary.

            And Bernie isn’t? His book was a gripe at “the Democratic establishment” and how unfair it was for Hillary to have endorsements before the primaries even began. Hillary has taken responsibility for her loss MULTIPLE TIMES, but Bernie has not.

            We’ll do the work of actually promoting policies that will help people.

            Carping at us Democrats on the sidelines is not the way to do it. Join us. You’ll be outnumbered at first, but that’s what champions do: fight for their ideas no matter how difficult, and no matter how challenging. Bernie’s all about “REVOLUSHHHHHUN!!!!” yelling at us, expecting his ideas to spontaneously materialize with no hard work or efforts.

          • what, me worry?

            “McConnell will ensure it doesn’t pass and even if it passes the Senate, guess who is the current House Speaker? Paul Ryan.”

            Politics is the art of the possible. What is considered “possible” is what exists in the political debate. If it isn’t in the debate, it isn’t possible.

            Before Sanders pushed single payer, it wasn’t in the debate. No one seriously considered it. Now it is.

            If Hillary had won, single payer wouldn’t be in the debate. She ran against it. Democrats wouldn’t dare cross her. Now, they are free to follow their better angels, because she lost.

            Single Payer advanced as a policy debate because Hillary Clinton lost. How’s that for conventional wisdom?

            I carp at anyone who pretends to be on my side and then supports policies I oppose.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            pffft, single payer is only in the debate cause of the ACA, which your wing has bitched and moaned about since forever.

          • what, me worry?

            Actually, what’s no longer in the debate are the technocratic minor changes to the ACA Hillary ran on. Have you noticed?

            I’d love to stay with you on this, but we’re about to lose power here, and I need to go charge my phone before it’s too late.

            Go away, Irma.

          • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

            There are currently 248 Republicans in the House of Representatives. You’re high if you think if even a sliver of Republicans will sign on to a far left Bernie healthcare bill after just barely voting for Trumpcare earlier this year.

          • Jennifer Litton Tidd

            LOL. Wow, Bernie drafted yet another bill that doesn’t have a prayer of ever passing. What committee will McConnell assign his bill to? Will he even put it to the floor for a vote? which 12 GOP senators will vote for cloture so it goes to a floor vote and what 3 will vote for it? Okay, if it passed the Senate and absolutely can’t with our current Awbate makeup, but if it did, how does it pass the House? Think Paul Ryan will put it to the floor for a vote? This is the main problem with your wing of the party. Talk is all you need. Meanwhile the House is now debating HB602, which would gut enforcement of the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) democrats should all be howling about that and the Dream Act and policy that has a prayer
            Of passing. This Medicare for all bill, like everything else Bernie does, is an attention ploy and will go nowhere.

          • what, me worry?

            That’s a lot of schadenfreudian glee you’re expressing there, for a person who professes to actually want a better healthcare system. Could it be you’re so bitter and butt hurt about Hillary, Inc losing an unlosable election that you’re willing to blame anything and anyone, and want to see their efforts fail, even when they are things you want to?

            That’s not, you know, sociopathic or anything. Good luck with that.

          • Jennifer Litton Tidd

            It’s mostly white males who want to hijack what’s become a majority female/POC party and make it all about white males again. No thanks. The 50s Bernie wants to bring back sucked for everyone but white males. I resent like hell men and Bernie telling a majority female party for instance, that abortion is a “distraction issue.” Go to hell assholes. Women’s rights must be the top issues in the party given its a majority female party. I think Wall St is a distraction issue since only SCOTUS can overturn Citizens United.

          • asoulfromstockholm

            Why on earth would you support the bad? And please do NOT spew this lesser of two evils rot. The Dems have lost both houses if Congress, the POTUS, and over 1000 stateside elected offices since 2008 exactly because they try to sell half a shit sandwich as being infinitely better than a full one. Maybe try truly offering real social democratic policies for a change. It is amazing what people will do (ie. vote FOR you, instead of the Dems hoping for votes AGAINST the RW) given actual progressive and clearly differentiated choices.

          • asoulfromstockholm

            Hillary is and always will be a
            centre to centre right neoliberal. The only thing LW about her isn’t even really LW, it is a corrupt, reductionist version of divide and conquer identity politics. She is a corporatist to the core.

          • fergawdssakes

            hey, this is loyal dem site, you troll.
            and like most of us, I completely with what Dr. Rrrrrobotnik say’s. while most of his supporters are white males, bernie tried to disguise this fact at the recent People’s Summit in Chicago by making sure most of the participants were mature women, even some of color! as if…

          • Jennifer Litton Tidd

            Hillary clinton was a remarkably accomplished high quality candidate. Bernie has always talked a great game, but she has a much longer and stronger record of achievement in a broader spectrum of issues. I have zero interest in going back to the historic Democratic Party, where women and POC and LGBT had no place at her table. She stood for the modern party. He stood for the party of the 50s. I choose modernity.

          • what, me worry?

            Dick Cheney was highly accomplished with all of the experience one might want in a candidate. He’s also someone I wouldn’t want running the country.

            The narcissism required to ignore the need of the Party to do the analysis necessary to retool their message to win back the confidence of the electorate without her interference, and release an ass-covering, blame-fest of a book less than a year after the election, suggests she doesn’t have the judgment or the perspective necessary for the role she wants so badly, she has yet to express why.

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            Well, I mean, can you blame them? They see the political game as inherently stacked against them.

            Although come to think of it, I guess Tea Partiers could have gone the same way, but they organized and got some of their assholes elected to Congress, so… to be fair, I’m not really watching what’s going on with the Bernie campaign now – are they trying to run lefty candidates for Congress?

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            They started up a 501(c)(4) called “Our Revolution”, then half the staff quit when Sanders’ campaign manager Jeff Weaver was put in charge of it. They did okay in 2016 (about half the candidates they endorsed won, but it’s not clear if that was due to the endorsement or because of other factors). Right now they seem more inclined to press forward on policy demands than candidate recruitment.

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            Ugh, now I’m going to have to check and see if my husband donated a bunch of money to this. Probably.

        • OrdinaryJoe

          BERNIE IS NOT A DEMOCRAT. HE HAS NEVER BEEN A DEMOCRAT. HE WANTS A PARTY LET HIM START HIS OWN.

          Or he can agree to be a Democrat and accept there is a structure to how things get done on a national level.

      • Courser_Resistance

        THIS^^^ Now everyone wants open primaries and I’m like, ‘NooooOOOOOooooo’. I mean, c’mon, you need to share some common ground with the party whose platform you want to run on.

        Opening up primaries is like asking for ratfucking.

        • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

          Yup. Remember Limbaugh shilling for “Operation Chaos” back in 2008 to get Republicans in open primary states to take a Democratic ballot and vote for Clinton to drag out the primary?
          That’s what open primaries would do – every right-wing nutter would get on the train of screwing with Dem candidates to weaken them.

        • Jennifer Litton Tidd

          I live in Virginia where we have open primaries and it’s absurd. If the Rs already have a nominee, which they usually do by the time we have our primary, then they all come out to vote in the Dem primary just to stir it up. And I admit, in 2012, I went and voted for Ron Paul in the GOP primary just to mess with Mitt. More than half the people in line to vote for Paul were Democrats. I’ve decided I won’t do it again, but when your primaries are open, that’s always what happens. I don’t want GOP able to impact my party’s primary.

      • lextims

        The depressing thing, re: primaries, is that you just need to check the box for “Democrat” at some point of opportunity prior to the election, and you’re in.

        I can understand people being a bit upset about deadlines and potential unnecessary exclusions in 2016–but that shit is pretty correctable, going forward.

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      I have seen the so-called “left” attacking Democrats nonstop since 2009. 2016 was a victory for them, and they are not stopping. Left smears against Kamala are already being repeated in the MSM.

      • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

        I still remember the nascent movement in 2012 to primary Obama from the left because he was “George W. Bush’s third term”.

        • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

          And guess who said he should be primaried? Bernie.

          Also Kucinich saying he should be impeached, for reasons.

          • starfanglednut

            Bernie said that seriously? Fuck that guy.

          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
          • anastasjoy

            Kucinich also said it was fine for the Ohio legislature to gerrymander our congressional districts because it would make his district an easy win for him, even though he would have been one of only four Democrats among 12 Republicans had his election-rigging ass not been kicked in the primary by Marcy Kaptur, a (gasp!) WOMAN who actually gets shit done.

        • Out of Patience

          The awesome Bernie was a ring leader.

      • lextims

        Starting to go after Warren, too, in some places.

      • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

        Before Bernie, they lionized Dennis Kucinich, a former right wing mayor who changed his stance on abortion.

    • feminazipenisshrinker

      Exactly. We have a tea-bagger faction on the left and we need to address it.

    • Meccalopolis

      A Bernie got robbed myth propagated by Russian bots

    • Slithytoves

      Well said. Let’s lance this boil.

    • Saxo the Grammarian

      This “fight” seems to consist of wild accusations, finger-pointing, tears, and door-slamming. I’ve seen more productive arguments over which “My Little Pony” is the best. Anyone who is unhappy with the DNC (and no, I’m *not* a big fan) needs to get involved, get organized, and Work. The. System. Anything else is complaining that food is bad and the portions are too small.

    • Shibusa

      Probably right but the fight could last decades.

  • Bitter Scribe

    You just know if Donald Trump had lost, he’d be waving that county-by-county electoral map and screaming about all that red and how could he have lost and it was all rigged fraud.

  • Wolf Tracker

    I just came by to read the comments and watch the heads explode.

    I have popcorn ready.

    Clinton: ‘I am done with being a candidate’

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/09/10/clinton-i-am-done-with-being-a-candidate/?utm_term=.37f3a00596a6

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      and she’s still not candidating. This was stupid when you said it yesterday.

    • HellhathnofuryDemme

      Popcorn?
      Nice to know that you have your priorities straight.

  • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

    Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

    1 Corinthians 14 : 34 – 35

    • JustDon’tSayDignity

      VPOTUS, is that you?

      • H0mer0

        (i think he’s snarking based on his prior non comments but my memory might be poor since his profile is private.)

        • starfanglednut

          He’s cool.

        • JustDon’tSayDignity

          Oh, I’m sure he is. I was just going along with it.

      • BehaveYrself

        Coming, Mother…

    • Serai 1

      It would be so much more fun to bring up that passage if more people knew the backbiting bitchery behind it.

      • H0mer0

        (tell us, I’m listening….)

        • Serai 1

          People reading Paul’s epistles now tend to forget that they were almost never grand pronouncements for all time. They were letters written to specific people about specific issues that were going on at the moment, and reading them becomes a rather different experience when that context is taken into account. The cited passage is part of the brouhaha in which Paul bitched about hierarchy and how THINGS SHOULD BE DONE HIS WAY DAMMIT. (It’s along the same lines as a woman complaining about an insufferable asshole at her company who keeps undermining her, and then she says ALL MEN SHOULD JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP FOREVER AND GO DIE SOMEWHERE. She doesn’t really mean it but she damn well needs to blow off some steam!) Paul was frustrated because of the women preachers who were getting better ratings than he was, essentially. Julia especially, he had a problem with, as she was very popular. He felt he was the boss of the “new church” and didn’t like the fact that there were quite a lot of people in it who didn’t think he was all that. Remember that, despite what any fundie might say, at that time there wasn’t just one “church”, there were a number of them, some of which contradicted each other – see Gnoticism, which was substantially different from the gospel Paul was pushing. Thus Paul ranted and raved that HE was the head of the church, despite never having met Jesus and having authority only from a hallucination he claimed to have had while riding alone on the way to Damascus. (Joseph Smith with his “an angel gave me these secret tablets with All The Laws but you can’t see them becuz REESONZ”? That’s how Paul sounded to the people who had been following Jesus’s teaching for YEARS before he showed up.)

          So the passage is less about how all women everywhere should shut up forever than it is about JEEZ WILL YOU BITCHES JUST SHUT UP AND LET ME RUN THINGS??? Because MENZ, you know.

          • H0mer0

            Oh Wonkette, come for the dick jokes and snark, stay for the theological discussion! I never liked how the Old and New Testament were just the stories that were more popular. I would have liked to see Adam and Lillith work things out.

          • Serai 1

            I still think Lilith was Adam’s Side Babe for years after Eden. Those other people had to come from somewhere, after all.

    • Saxo the Grammarian

      Does Mother know that you are talking with women without a chaperone?

  • Gayer Than Thou

    Ugh, Hillary! Journalists – especially boy journalists – are exhausted already from how they had to talk about your emails endlessly for months on end! Must you reappear and make them say all the same stuff they said a million times already? Have some empathy for their plight!

    • Carpe Vagenda

      Hey. HEY! Don’t you erase Maggie “step back, MoDo Havisham, there’s a new rotting wedding cake in town” Haberman.

  • Bros gotta bro, bro!

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    I’ve read about as many “thinky” political pieces about how Steve Bannon feels butthurt about shit as I have about how Hillz should shut up forever. Huh, I kinda figure the woman who has spent her whole fucking life in the political sphere with a vast perspective on her experiences and disappointments and insights might be a teensy but more relevant than some clinger-on racist, but that’s just me being a neo-liberal shill or something.

    • Edith Prickly

      For real. If anyone should shut up and go away, it’s the fucking Troll-King of Breitbartistan.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        I really would like him to choke on his own bile.

        • 🛶🗣️ Mr Canoehead 🛶🗣️

          Anyone’s bile, really.

  • feminazipenisshrinker
    • AnnieGetYerFun

      You can’t therapy with a vagina!

      • H0mer0

        To quote my avatar: “it’s good for what ails you.”

      • Roadstergal

        My vagina is clinically proven to reduce stress*.

        *These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      I retweeted that, but will now save the image for what I sadly think will be future use. Thanks honey!

    • HooverVilles

      Now this is truly Sad!

      • asoulfromstockholm

        I think most who rightfully detested the neoliberal, war mongering, bankster aiding, self-entitled Clinton are content with her simply losing, regardless of to whom, even the orange shitgibbon. Speaking as a foreign national whose country has suffered tremendously from the human migrational fallout of the US empiric wars (which SHE fully supported and helped drive), I must say I too am more than happy to look out and see the words 2-time loser applied to her legacy of brutality and wilful deceit.

        • HooverVilles

          We had only two candidates that had any chance of winning the needed electoral votes needed to be elected.


          Let me guess that you are way more happy with the stabilizing, rational thinking, even tempered Trump than that loose cannon, wildly erratic, crazy woman Clinton?

        • Tiny kaiju

          Perhaps those people you speak of can apologize to the country for Neil Gorsuch and his corporatist (talk about your corporate shills!), the dismantling of enviromental and work place safety regulations, the potential privatization and/or destruction of the National Parks. Hell, if a narrow view of foreign policy is your only focus, are you please about the return to Afghanistan, soured relations with N Korea, China, Australia, Mexico, probably Canada too at this point. Oops, I almost forgot the EU. Do you really truly think that our current senile, narcissistic dimwit of a POTUS is good in anyway for this country, just because he isn’t HRC? Because that is beyond laughable stupid and you should feel bad about your life choices.
          This is of course assuming you are actually a real person and not 1) a common but educated troll b) a bot or c) a altright troll trying to foster divisions.

    • HooverVilles

      CNN should just change their name to FOXlite already.

  • JustDon’tSayDignity

    WTF is a “haint”?

    • Serai 1

      Old-timey word for “ghost”.

      • altleftjohn

        I haint never heard that before.

    • shoeflyin

      You must not be southern. Bless your heart.

      • Serai 1

        I’m not Southern and I knew that word. But then, I read a lot.

      • JustDon’tSayDignity

        Love ya ta death, really, but Ah lived in TX fer 25 y’ars. Never heard that word.

        • blarg

          It’s a term from Southern African-American folklore.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      I assumed it was an amalgam of “taint” and “hair.”

      • Courser_Resistance

        Yup, *exactly* what I was thinking. but I missed the word, so I only just saw it.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      I was wondering how many people would wonder what the term meant. All the ceilings of the porches in Charleston are painted blue to keep the haints away.

      Haints = spirits

    • Zyxomma

      You never read Mark Twain? It means haunt, but is more commonly used to mean ghost.

      • JustDon’tSayDignity

        Didn’t he spell it something like “ha’nt”?

  • Carpe Vagenda

    I got the audiobook too, so I didn’t have to wait for the printed copy.

    • Roadstergal

      Wait, there is one? I pre-ordered Kindle. Might have to get the audio too.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        Yep, she did it herself.

        • Roadstergal

          I am definitely getting that one, thanks!

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          How did she manage that while dying of the pneumonias??!

          • javadavis

            Pneumonias? I thought it was Parkinson’s/brain-tumor/stroke and getting busted in front of a Law&Order background jury for politicking outside of the restricted zone at a polling place.

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            That, too.

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            Killing her enemies gives her strength.

          • Carpe Vagenda

            I think there was benghazi.

    • feminazipenisshrinker

      Same. One for immediate consumption and one for my book shelf.

  • Courser_Resistance

    I just read the excerpt and wow. Maybe because I’m a woman of a certain age that I can really identify with what’s she’s writing. Pretty amazing and I totally ‘get’ it. And if feels good to know that she just stepped back and let Bill take care of things (and her) for awhile. Makes my heart feel good.

  • ryp

    Much like discussing gun control, there apparently is never an appropriate time for Hillary to express her feelings about the election.

  • feminazipenisshrinker

    I hope she writes a book every fucking month. The broutrage (did I just coin that term?) is divine.

    • LSM

      I don’t know, but ti’s an awesome term! Great job.

    • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

      :::registering extra upvote for “broutrage” coinage:::

    • Panika MCD

      it is now.

  • IdRatherBeDancing

    I seriously, unapologetically and shamelessly have a crush on her. So there!

    • Roadstergal

      You’re not the only one.

  • Kurt Weil

    Remember how excited we were for John Kerry’s tell all? He wore yoga pants and Theresa dressed up as Queen Victoria and whipped his ass with nettles, just to be good company in sad times.

    • jesterpunk

      Remember when Bernie went away because he lost in the primary?

  • Poly_Ester

    It sounds like Bill would be the perfect husband if he only knew the Dewey Decimal System.

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    This woman is a monster who should be locked up under the jail. I heard she killed a man once just by forcing him to eat canned clams from Pizzagate, while Bill Benghazied him right in the old poop chute.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      History’s greatest monster!

  • King Beauregard

    Ain’t it amazing how the people who are the loudest about how Hillary should go live in a cave and never blight mankind with her presence ever again, are also the loudest about how there is no misogyny whatsoever among her haters. To hear them tell it, their spittle-flecked fury is a perfectly dispassionate response to a candidate whose policies they very rationally disagreed with.

    Hillary’s loss proves only that it takes the combined efforts of the Republicans, the media, the Bernie Bros, the Steinians, the Russians, and the FBI to drop Hillary to a point where she gets only 3 million more votes than the Republican. And even then, it took a quirk of the Electoral College for that to mean Trump winning.

    Twelve percent of Bernie Bros went on to vote for Trump, and it was enough to throw the three pivotal states in his favor. Will we ever see a day when they take responsibility for their choices? I doubt it.

    • janetintexas

      This is the best thing on the internets today — thank you!

      • King Beauregard

        Thanks!! This place brings out the best in me.

    • StarBangledSpammer

      Thanks for that – now I need a cigarette.

    • HellhathnofuryDemme

      They will NEVER take responsibility for the election.
      They and St. Bernie did everything they could to undermine Hillary.
      (And no, I don’t want to hear about people that stayed at home, Latinos that voted for Trump, etc.)
      They gobbled up 30 plus years of GOP bs, and added their own.
      THEY own this presidency, because THEY should have known better.

  • Jeanne

    Would we be so messed up as a country if she had been in charge! Geez.

    • jesterpunk

      I hope that is sarcasm.

  • Debbie the Unpaid Protester

    That is just adorable that Bill likes to arrange and re-arrange the bookshelves. And that Hilz loves it, even though it inconveniences her, because it makes him happy.

    • ryp

      That sort of thing probably causes more problems in marriage than infidelity. I get lectured daily by my wife about putting things back in the “wrong place”, including things only I ever use, because she has a “system”.

      Sure Hillary says she “doesn’t mind”, but really she just gave up yelling at him about it.

  • RAFREE

    I read here and have for ages but, i do not comment. Today I am, you are so fucking right on with this, it made my year!

    • persistently_resistant_gayby

      Welcome!

      What ever you do – DO NOT MENTION BUTTHOLEZZZ

  • renegade500

    I would like to make Bill happy, because my bookshelves are a mess! I’m a giver that way.

  • Pat_Pending

    Call me crazy, but occasionally it seems like, perhaps, Hillary is an actual ordinary human being who sort of ended up living an extraordinary life. And maybe she’d be kinda cool to hang out with in yoga pants while laughing at the goofy guy trying to decide on Dewey Decimal or Library of Congress this time. Or maybe just color coordination or go by size, whatever.

    • SnowBomber

      Hillary and Bill seem like that couple who would be fun to have in your card club that plays on Saturday night.

  • Janicen

    I could get over spouse having sex with someone else much easier than if he rearranged my bookshelves. I’d probably have to end the marriage if he did that.

    • OrdinaryJoe

      Shortly after I was married to MrsJoe we bought a house. The day we moved in she came across me alphabetizing the spice rack. Back then I didn’t cook but that seemed like a logical thing to do. Almost got us a divorce just weeks after we were married.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    She needs to make a documentary and get an Oscar like you know who. Or move to California and run for governor. We’d love to have her.

  • Richard Von Busack

    The thing I was hoping for is that Hil’s announcement that she was never running for office again would at least make the Sandersnistas STFU for ever and ever and ever. But it probably won’t work.

    • Roadstergal

      They won’t be happy until she decides to retroactively never has run for anything.

      • ltmcdies

        they won’t be happy until she climbs up on a pyre and lights a match.

    • jesterpunk

      They have been attacking Chelsea just in case she wants to run even though she said she isnt running for office. So it wont work, they will just claim she is lying or something.

      • ExpatGirl

        Some demanded that she issue a statement promising to never, ever, ever seek office. Who do those effers think they are? Grrrrrr.

        • jesterpunk

          Then attacked her for saying she wouldn’t run on twitter multiple times.

          • ExpatGirl

            I remember that. It was a disgusting display of disgustingness.

    • ltmcdies

      nope…last night there was one in here carrying on about how it was a lie…blah blah…yada yada…

      they want to believe the worst…so they do

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Nope- they love their grievances and entitlement as much as the Trumpanzees

  • Tom65

    Not a Bernie Bro, just sick of hearing from the standard bearer of the centrist, triangulating DLC bullshit artist about how everyone has been so mean to her and it’s totally NOT HER FAULT that she ran the same fucking underwhelming, It’s My Turn campaign that she ran in ’08.

    Yeah, I wish Bernie would shut the fuck up as well, but guess what? There’s a leadership vacuum in the party and for better or worse, he’s filling it while the DNC tries to figure who the next automaton will be.

    • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

      Blah blah blah DLC, blah blah blah…

      But you’ll ignore how the Bern whined about the primaries being “rigged” and how Roseann DeMORON still pushes that bullshit, and how Bern has taken ZERO responsibility for losing to “unpopular” Hillary.

      • Tom65

        *Shrug* We’ve lost ground on every fucking front for the last 20 years, but yeah, let’s keeping dong the same shit over and over. I’m sure it will pay off.

        • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

          Bill and Hillary Clinton have worked their butts off for my party: the Democratic Party. Bernie hasn’t done shit but carp at us, while wagging his finger. He and his bots can FUCK OFF!!!!

          • Tom65

            And what do they have to show for it? And as I stated, I’m not Bernie Bro, or bot, or whatever. I want the Dems to get their head out of their asses.

          • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

            Bill Clinton helped revive the Democratic Party back in the 90s. Hillary fought her ass off for CHIP and got that and was the First Lady to do more than just bake cookies and be subservient in the background. I will always be grateful for the Clintons, even when I’ve not always been in their corner.

          • IdRatherBeDancing

            yes people forget or don’t care to learn that Nixon (’72),Reagan (both times) and Bush I won in crushing landslides. Bill Clinton tossed his name in the ring when Bush I had a 90% (yes 90%) approval rating. The Clintons made the Dems relevant again at the national level.

          • Roadstergal

            I was coming of political age in an era where the Republicans were dominant. I remember Bill Clinton using TV to mobilize young voters. It was a real change in Politics As Usual – as was the presence of a First Lady who was more than just a clothes rack and a smile.

          • jesterpunk

            Do you remember how awesome this was?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqB7UEdhKug

          • Roadstergal

            Absolutely!

          • Serai 1
          • Zippy W Pinhead

            I’m not a racist Bernie Bro, but…

        • lextims

          But that’s not quite true, eh?

          Some pretty ground-breaking things happened under Obama. Some of them at the federal level, and others at the state and local level. It’s going to be a difficult few years, but I’d hate to see what has been accomplished swept under the rug. It’s some things to build on, at least.

        • Resistance Fighter Callyson

          Last 20 years?

          Quickly now, which party won both the House and the Senate in 2006 (a mere 11 years ago)?

          • IdRatherBeDancing

            and the popular votre in presidential elections in 5/6 elections. That statehouse is a problem though.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            But it’s somehow crooked Hillary’s fault too

        • ltmcdies

          and you will loose ground even with Bernie if you don’t wrap your heads around the active voter suppression tactics in your nation, the gerrymandering in your nation , amount of foreign interference and that Trump’s voters were not the “economically anxious” but the “culturally anxious”

          and those statehouses etc…lost in off years like 2010 when the progressives had a hissy at Obama and stayed home.

        • Serai 1
        • Zippy W Pinhead

          *Shrug*

          “Watch me deflect and change the subject the moment I am confronted by reality”

          grow the fuck up, Bro™

        • Panika MCD

          only if you think elections have ended. but as a person who doesn’t think elections have ended, I would point you toward the OK special elections and the TX muni elections this year.

          • tza

            And the VA governorship.

    • ltmcdies

      whaw….whaw…whaaaaaaaa

    • jesterpunk
    • Saxo the Grammarian
      • Zippy W Pinhead

        In all fairness, how do we know he’s not pulling the watermelon INTO the lake?

        • Invisible Bunyip

          Perhaps the watermelon is pulling a cat out of a lake?

          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

            Clearly the lake just pulled a cat out of a watermelon.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      Funny how when Hillary speaks, she is preventing the Democrats from finding new leadership, but when Bernie speaks, he’s just filling that vacuum. Gee, I wonder why that double standard exists…

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        They are so fucking obvious

    • shivaskeeper

      Is Bernie a Democrat?

      He can sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up with the rest if his followers. Until he, and they, decide they can sully themselves by joining the party to effect the changes they want to see. When they do that, they can and should have a say. Until they the Democratic Party as a whole would be better by not listening to the Tea Party 2.0 purity ponies who are not, and have no intention of being, Democrats.

      • Saxo the Grammarian

        Thanks, you said it better than I tried to.

      • Serai 1
        • HellhathnofuryDemme

          So much this!

      • fedele

        HaHaHa, yeah, good luck with that. He’s the one out there right now pounding the pavement fighting for healthcare, wage increase, equality. I don’t hear too many Democrats on the road doing any better. I was a Democrat, all the bickering and the calling of names, degrading and trying to put fear into those who wouldn’t vote for Hillary changed my mind. I worked for the Democrats on both of Obama’s campaigns, I will never give my money to a Democrat again. There are plenty like me out there. And NO, I don’t have shut up or sit down. Neither will Bernie.

        • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

          Bye Felicia. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out!

          • fedele

            Quelle surprise! Imagine that, someone being rude AND “original” on top of that! And I thought democrats were all – inclusive, driving on the moral high road. I could care less and will not respond to any other comments. I rather hang out with those who actually know how to conversate, allowing all thoughts and opinions a chance to be exptessed without being rude or called names. Unfortunately, it’s getting harder to do.

          • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

            I’ve no time for immature brats who break into our home, destroy the carpet, and then demand we clean it up. Enjoy screaming with your socialist god on the sidelines while the rest of us Democrats roll up our sleeves and get to work.

          • SomeBigRedDog

            Flounce

          • Serai 1
        • jesterpunk

          Bernie sure did accomplish all of that in the 26 years in congress. Oh wait no he named some post offices and recognized Vermont as a state. Other then that he has some bullshit buzzwords.

          • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

            He broke into our house, and had the nerve to sue US for the robbery. Fuck him!

          • jesterpunk

            He also pissed on the rug and tried to tell us it was rain. But I was just talking about the 7 bills he has written in his 26 years in congress.

            https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?sponsor=400357#enacted_ex=on

          • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

            And I was speaking about how his campaign stole our data, and he had the nerve to sue US for data his campaign stole. But poor Bernie is the victim of “rigging.”

          • jesterpunk

            I forgot about that with all the other shitty things he did. Wish someone would tell him to go the fuck away and never come back.

        • Royal Ugly Globalist Dude

          ..

        • shivaskeeper

          Citations for all the pavement pounding he’s doing please.

          Also since you are not a Democrat anymore and not give to Democratic candidates, why should you get to decide who is candidate or what they should be doing? My statement stands. You, and he, can sit the fuck down and shut up.

          Here’s an analogy for you: If you work a non union job in Texas, should you have any say at all what a Teamsters Local in New Jersey does? Why or why not?

          Fighting for health care consists than more than demanding single payer without a plan. I have not seen a plan beyond ????.

          What equality is he fighting for? Whose equality? The Bernie supporters out there are more than willing compromise on civil rights as long as its not their civil rights. Women, POC, LGBT, and all the rest are on their own as long as Bernie isn’t inconvenienced.

          Minimum wage? You blew that one already. You couldn’t stand to try for $10 or $12/ hour to start. That would have been hard enough with the current Congress. Once that was secured try for $15. Where are we now? Still at $7.25 with no change in sight because you won’t compromise or be pragmatic.

          FFS at least 12% of the “progressive” wing went for DJT. Those are your brethren. Not mine. Progressive as long as they get whatever unicorn they want, or else

          • “Also since you are not a Democrat anymore and not give to Democratic candidates, why should you get to decide who is candidate or what they should be doing? My statement stands. You, and he, can sit the fuck down and shut up.”

            And next week, we’ll hear from the KKK on how the NAACP can be a more effective organization.

          • shivaskeeper

            Yep. That is the glaring hole in the argument none of them can see.

        • Bernie is not working on anything except selling his book.
          Nothing. Not a single bill, not a policy position, nothing.
          So, rm, there is that.

        • Serai 1
      • Wolf Tracker

        AND you wonder why the party is divided and Hillary lost when you expect people to bend the knee to you.

        • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

          “The party” is NOT divided. We are united in our disdain of the old man who yells at us and wags his finger. That is why we rejected him in our primaries by a landslide. Bernie needs to accept HE lost and move on instead of whining about how the primaries were “rigged.”

          • Wolf Tracker

            The reason Hillary lost and it isn’t because of Bernie or being a woman:

            http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/clinton-votes-african-americans-latinos-women-white-voters/index.html

            She is not running again. Time to move on.

          • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

            Hillary lost because of the Berniebots, Steinbots, Trumpbots, Putin/Russia, and the feckless media falling for every right wing meme/lie about her. I’ve long accepted she’s not running again, but that doesn’t mean I won’t be fighting for her.

          • Wolf Tracker

            She is not running again.

            So what are you fighting for- so she can sell more books?

          • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

            She and Bill fought to get the Democratic Party to this point. And I hope she writes more and more books and more importantly, continues to speak out against all these barriers that kept her out of the Presidency. There’s no better person than her to be speaking on these. And 65 million of us will back her. Live with it.

          • Wolf Tracker

            So did many Dems before and after them. They had their run.

            Time to move on.

          • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

            I don’t recall Democrats being told to “move on” from Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, or Kerry. Only Hillary. What differentiates Hillary from Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry?

          • SomeBigRedDog

            “She is not running again. Time to move on.”

            “Time to move on.”

            “She isn’t running again.”

            “So get your boo hoos out and then lets move on”

            What exactly is your agenda here, or are you just some kind of annoying, super-repetitive bot?

          • Pretty much that. Should hear the screed on confederate statues.

          • A little late. This question was already answered

            http://twoplustwoequals7.blogspot.com/2016/11/why-hillary-clinton-country-lost-part.html

            Note, BTW, that such vapidly sanctimonious armchair quarterbacking was already worn-out back then. So if SOMEONE wants to preach a message of “moving on” their most applicable congregation would be “a mirror”

        • shivaskeeper

          What did Bernie do again? Oh, right. He lost to Hillary. He can shut the fuck up.

          I don’t expect anyone to bend a knee. I do expect that if you want to dictate what the Democratic Party does, you should be a fucking Democrat. Not some nebulous “progressive”, whatever the fuck that means, or an Independent. I don’t expect to have to appease outsides yelling in, “Do this, and this, and this, and I might vote for you”. Fuck that. Either come in and lobby for your positions or go away.

          Until you do you can change the Independent Party to your heart’s content, or form a competitive Progressive Party.

          Until then, sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up, and fucking accept whatever the Democratic Party gives you.

          • muddie mae suggins

            Preach!

          • Serai 1

            You guys STILL arguing with that asshole? He’s never going to change, you know. Shithead trolls stay shithead trolls.

          • shivaskeeper

            This was a whole new shithead with the same exact talking points as the last bunch of them. They really do not like being told to sit down, shut up, and accept what they are given for yelling from the outside. The other option, of course, is to join the Democratic Party and fight do the changes they want.

            Seems they would rather stand outside and make demands.

          • Serai 1

            No, this guy’s been here before. This week, in fact. A very obnoxious troll. I blocked him a few days ago but I could see you guys were still at it with him. Honestly, don’t bother. He pretends to be engaged but really he’s just being a shithead.

          • shivaskeeper

            I don’t think this one is a troll. Just very misguided. Also, too an expert at everything. But not a troll. In my defense, he engaged me while I was telling another Bro the same thing I told him last week that cause him to call me a fascist.

    • Serai 1

      Well, since that’s NOT WHAT SHE’S SAYING, your dick is still safe.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/73b1ccfc490b54cc1a7a0eb9bd7c01023c36895e3118f54f9ec8aab3861a0363.gif

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      You’re a fucking liar is what you are- several of the excerpts from her new book explicitly and unambiguously quote her taking the ultimate blame for her campaign. She talks about it at length- only dullards like you refuse to listen because you’re all a bunch of butthurt babbies who can’t STFU about her

    • Samuel Jarius

      “I’m not a Bernie Bro…but”

      I just got Bernie bingo! Anyone else?

  • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

    May her laugh haunt them in their sleep.

  • ExpatGirl

    Ordered mine last night :-))

    Bro journo heads are going to be sploding for months as girlfriend dominates the Bestseller list. They keep trying to tell us no-one wants to hear what she has to say. Methinks Hillz is about to prove them very, very wrong. Squeeee!

  • OrdinaryJoe

    Our country is coming apart at the seams because a guy got a blow job in 1995. SMH

  • Saxo the Grammarian

    “and in a minute he will reorganize our bookshelves for the millionth time, which means I will not be able to find any of my books,”

    Mrs. Grammarian is a collage artist and has works in progress scattered throughout the house. It would be a capital offense (with votes) for me to attempt reorganizing any of that stuff. Hillary is far more forgiving, but then Bill is better company.

    Also, Mrs. G. and I are Kindle users, but I’m tempted to get a hard copy to read at the most purity-pony-infested coffee houses in town.

    Also too, may the Invisible Hand of the Free Market lift Hillary’s book to #1 on every list of bestsellers for weeks to come. Amen.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      That is EXACTLY why I got a hard copy for which I am impatiently waiting. Suck it, Bernie Bros!

      • Serai 1

        We should get a bunch of us SoCal Wonketeers together with our copies and go read them en masse at someplace like that. A whole table of uppity wimminz shoving our Hillary Love down their throats.

        • Roadstergal

          Oooh, I definitely need to get a hard copy to take to SF and Berkeley.

  • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

    It’s almost all white men who want Hillary to “shut up and go away,” all while fawning over the Great Bernie and Great Kasich.

    • OrdinaryJoe

      Obama connected with people who did not vote and they came out to vote for him.
      Bernie connected with people who did not vote and they came out to vote for Trump.

      • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

        I’m a strong believer that there’s a contingent who voted for Obama in 08 just because he’s black and then voted for Trump because they felt betrayed by “the black guy.”

        • The Librarian

          I’ve actually seen people say this on other sites. Smh.

      • jesterpunk

        Some of them sat home because voting is hard and complaining online is easy.

        • OrdinaryJoe

          I don’t want to lump all the Burners together. Some were like a friend of mine who really wants the Dem Party to be the Progressive Dem party, a kind of liberal populist utopian place. But she was sharply realistic about the fact that American elections are in fact binary. She voted for Hillz because, as she told me: “The lesser of two evils is always about less evil so if that is the choice you go for the less evil.”

    • Marceline

      As an Ohioan the Kasich worship nauseates me. He’s not a moderate by any stretch of the imagination but I guess not being a Nazi sympathizer is pretty much all it takes now.

      • artem1s

        not being a Nazi sympathizer is what lost him the nomination last time and will probably mean he will lose it again next time. the GOP only nominates and elects complete morons, degenerates, and amoral pigs. Kasich and Cruz just don’t cut it anymore.

    • Wolf Tracker

      Sounds more like you have a problem with men in general.

      • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

        Because of the longstanding history of having females run for President and the longstanding history of having female Presidents…

        • Wolf Tracker

          So that is the real reason you supported her and not because she was the best person to be president.

          Like I said…

          • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

            I supported her because she was the most qualified candidate to run for President. And I would support her again, without question.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Well you won’t have to.

            She isn’t running again.

          • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

            So why are you telling 65 million of us to “move on” from Hillary? Where was this talk for Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry?

          • Wolf Tracker

            Didn’t hear any of them play the sex card to sell books a year after losing.

          • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

            Yet here you are, telling 65 million of us to “move on” from the only woman of a major political party to run for President. You have no right to tell us what to do. We’ll do as we damned well please, and we’re not “moving on.”

          • Wolf Tracker

            I think most of that 65 million moved on. Just a few that didn’t get the memo.

          • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

            If that were true, her book tour wouldn’t be sold out and her book wouldn’t be #1 on Amazon. Bernie on the other hand is something like #300 and practically no one wants to see him.

          • Wolf Tracker

            She can sell all the books she want and you be sure and get a copy.

          • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

            And what’s the problem with her selling books? Many others before her have. Why is inherently bad that Hillary sells books and makes money off them as a private citizen? She’s at least out of office, unlike the orange tangerine who calls himself President.

          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

            Oh, fuck you. Blocked.

          • Oh come on! Her pantsuit weren’t that alluring and provocative…

          • So, of course, you can see why we have to spend so much time and energy wagging our Shaming Fingers of Condemnation at her instead of, you know, the guy who’s currently in a position to grab the body politic by the pussy….

      • Wojciech
  • Marceline

    *looks downthread*

    Yay! I get to add so more purity ponies to my block list.

    Anyway, I pre-ordered every version of this book: hardcover, audio and e-book. The hardcover is going to be my mom’s Christmas present. I may even fly out to one of her signings to get it autographed.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      I am pissed AF that her only CA appearance (so far) is up in Davis, and they don’t even have tickets available yet. I may have to schlep up there to see her, however. #ComeToLosAngelesHillary

      • Roadstergal

        I was just typing the same thing! I have to go to Davis – on a Monday night?

        It says details are still pending, so I signed up to request San Francisco. *fingers crossed* I mean, it’s Pelosiville…

      • Saxo the Grammarian

        Davis? *Sigh*.

      • Serai 1

        She’ll be signing in SF, too. I’m so sick of being overlooked down here. What is it about LA that makes it a last resort stop so often?

        ETA: Let me know if you go. I may just want to tag along.

        • Roadstergal

          SF? Where’s the link? I don’t see it on the book tour site…

          • Serai 1

            Here. October 6.

          • Roadstergal

            Oh, the one I was looking at was just full events. Thanks!!

    • Serai 1

      I’m gonna put it on my Christmas list since I can’t afford a copy myself.

      • Roadstergal

        If you go to Davis with RFC for the signing, I’ll buy your event ticket and another copy for you for getting one signed for me!

        • Serai 1

          That would make me happier than you can imagine! Who is RFC?

          • Roadstergal

            Resistance Fighter Callyson. Write me at my Disqus handle at gmail, that’s my burner.

          • Serai 1

            Done!

  • thepoliticalcat

    Evan! Change your Wonket profile photo, you look like a serial killer, when we all know you are Sekritly a totally handsome steed. You are the official Face of Wonket Tweetz, & ppl need to feel like you are totally not serial-killerish in any killy sorta way.

    • I think he looks cute. I have weird tastes and accept that.

      • BJW

        I think he’s adorable. I could totally see us getting together if I wasn’t a hetero woman happily married and old enough to be his mom. But aside from those small quibbles…?

      • thepoliticalcat

        He is even cuter in his other pix. He is SO DAMN CUTE I have a YUGE crush on him already & RT everything he Tweets just bc he’s cute. Even if he DOES have a DAWG.

    • persistently_resistant_gayby

      He is super cute.

      And very funny.

      If only I had someone like that.

      (No, Evan is not paying me to say that)

  • Serai 1

    I’m just imagining Hillz walking into the library one day to find that Billz has rearranged all the books again – by color.

  • jesterpunk

    This meme seems really appropriate for a lot of these Bernie Bros complaining about Hillary.

    http://artfcity.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/tumblr_occ999XXRp1vaqoiqo1_400.gif

  • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

    This quote just popped into my head and I had an epiphany:

    “When one door closes, another one opens.”

    The Presidency has shut for Hillary Clinton, but another door has opened for her as an advocate. I would’ve enjoyed to see her in the White House, and her Presidency would’ve been awesome, but now she is a driving force against the very barriers that shut her off from the Presidency. She has no filter and is free to go out on an “I’ve got no more fucks to give” tour, and I’d hope our President Obama follows suit. Gotta stay positive throughout this shitshow the Berners, the Steinbots, Trumpbots, and feckless media forced on us. But we WILL win in the end. Good always triumphs over evil.

    • jesterpunk

      Obama is going to be working against voter suppression and the voter id laws Kobach wants. Doesnt mean he wont team up with Hillary but they can focus on different issues for their main issue.

  • Jenny

    Hell yes I ordered that book.

  • PrairiefireOriginal

    Writing a book after you lose a presidential election is quite common. Of the recent losing presidential candidates, only Romney has not published a book. Here is a list of the first book each published after the election he lost. Notice the focus of each book.

    John McCain: “Thirteen Soldiers: Personal Histories of 13 Remarkable Heroes”
    John Kerry: “This Moment on Earth: Today’s New Environmentalists and Their Vision”
    Al Gore: “Joined at the Heart: The Transformation of the American Family”
    Bob Dole: “Great Political Wit” (a collection of funny stories and anecdotes he picked up while campaigning)
    George HW Bush: “A World Transformed” (a history of American Foreign Policy at the end of the Cold War)
    Michael Dukakis: “Leader-Managers in the Public Sector: Managing for Results”
    Walter Mondale: “The Good Fight: A Life in America’s Movement for Social Change”
    Jimmy Carter: “Keeping Faith: Memoirs of a President”

    With the exception of Bob Dole, each losing candidate has used his post-election voice to continue his previous efforts to shape American opinion, values and visions relating to something the candidate cares deeply about.

    Clinton appears to have continued that pattern: She wrote about the political game itself and her place in it.

    • Serai 1

      Yes, but she has a vagina. Thus she is not allowed to speak, ever.

      • jesterpunk

        She also didnt make cookies or sammiches.

        • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

          She made cookies once. It was just so scripted and insincere.

    • righteous mob

      It’s not as though there was anything unique about the 2016 election.

      • Roadstergal

        “Best election ever. Would buy again.” -Putin

    • Yeoh0425

      Let us not forget that her Primary opponent’s (also a loser) book came out 10-months ago, and not a cruel word was uttered. But he has a penis (we assume)

    • Dawn Hillman

      Hmmm… pretty low information comment. She and Tim Kaine wrote “Stronger Together’ a Blueprint for America’s Future” which came out a year ago, and of course she wrote “It Takes a Village”, “Hard Choices”, and “Living History” before then.
      And I frankly WANT to know “what happened”, from her POV, without Berners flinging $1 bills at her, calling her a whore, and without Bernie or Trump able to interrupt her. For once. It is important that the person who received the most votes of any candidate ever didn’t win the election, it is important that Hillary was the only talking about the Russia interference while Trump denied it, and Bernie and the media ignored it. She tried again and again to point out what Trump was only to be told people think your voice is weird, people know you’re really smart but you can’t tell a joke for shit, so they don’t like you. They want someone they’d hang out in a bar with (or whatever). And they ever infuriating “I just don’t trust her.” “Reall? Why?” “Well you hear so much bad stuff over the years from the GOP so SOME of it must be true”. “Right. Cuz why would they lie?” 🙄

  • anon_the_great

    :…bottom of the sea to live…

    Know who else lives under the sea?
    Absorbent and yellow and porous is he

    • Up In Smoke O’hontas

      I heard she sent, and received, get this, EMAILZ!!1!11! And it’s says right in the book that she was wearing PANTZ!!!

  • meanlawyermom

    I can’t wait to get my copy. I ordered the Kindle and hardcover versions.

  • Bebecca

    I read Shattered and it was painful. I Don’t know if I can relive the election again. But that doesn’t mean I can’t buy the book.

    • splashy79

      That was a hit book against Hillary. This is one done by Hillary herself. A whole other thing.

  • Tj McGee Wright

    I’m not sure how much catharsis you could get out of this, given that tomorrow President ManChild will do whatever insane shit he will inevitably do, and with ‘only’ five million days to go before the next election which, lest we forget, will come with a million reminders from a million of the world’s prime turds about how Trump 2020 is a ‘lock-in’ or whatever.

  • Wolf Tracker

    I came by to read the comments and see the heads exploding and was not disappointed!

    Hillary ” “I am done with being a candidate.”

    So get your boo hoos out and then lets move on and pull together for 2018 and 2020 are ours to win or lose.

    I am liking Kamala Harris!

    • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

      I really wish you’d keep your snarky opinions about Hillz, and those of us who supported her, to yourself. Could you at least try? Maybe find another venue for voicing your displeasure with her and us?

  • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶
    • covfefesumgame0005

      Fuck Dirty Bernie

    • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

      This is why I call her RoseAnn DeMORON: because she really is a moron.

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      What is this “RoseAnn DeMoro” of which you speak?

      • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

        Her name is an anagram for Endorse A Moron.

      • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

        also Dear Moron Nose

  • TootsStansbury

    I want to read the book and dayum. The former President of the United States is a total himbo. Shut up, manspainers.

  • Serai 1
  • cosmiccowgirl

    “By which she means fuck you.”

    This could apply to so many things Hillary says.

  • jesterpunk

    She should have went with the working title for the book.

    https://pics.me.me/fuck-all-all-a-memoir-by-the-bitch-who-fucking-23089536.png

    • splashy79

      That was created by Melissa McEwan of Shakesville. Original found here:
      http://www.shakesville.com/2017/06/hillary-clinton-previews-her-upcoming.html

      Just wanted to make sure she got credit for her genius!

      • amrak63

        Really, who could blame HRC if she had called it that?

        • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

          I propose she blanket the airwaves with ads. I will gladly donate.

      • jesterpunk

        Thank you, I didnt know where that came from just saw it in a few places.

    • amrak63

      My favorite part is the spine of the book.

      “No, really. FUCK YOU.”

      • BJW

        Thank you! I would’ve missed it and it’s the best part. :)

    • Saxo the Grammarian

      Book cover LIBELZ! Hillary is a Chardonnay chick. Bold and buttery!

      • jesterpunk

        Sometimes you need something stronger to deal with the bullshit.

  • Rachel Book Harlot

    She’s holding a book signing at the Barnes & Noble at Union Square NYC tomorrow. I’m so bummed that I can’t take the day off for that. She’s holding another at Green Light Bookstore in Brooklyn NYC on 9/27, but tix are already sold out and the wait list has been closed due to the over abundance of people signing up. I could have made that one so I’m so bummed!!

    • Wojciech

      how many Brooklyn brocialists do you reckon fancy bum-rushing either of those signings?!?

      • Rachel Book Harlot

        Oh crap, I didn’t even think of that. Hopefully, it won’t come to that.

  • SDGeoff3

    Ima stay away here today.
    I’m fucking over it.

  • splashy79

    I’m going to get it as soon as I have the money.

  • Queens Lawyer
    • Zippy W Pinhead

      I DID NOT!

      • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

        Photographic proof on the twitters ahem ahem . . .

    • “I wish they’d get over the 2016 election” –Generi-troll #467

      • Wojciech

        yet a casual stroll through said troll’s posting history* would reveal at least one “Bernie woulda won!” post

        * assuming that this troll makes his (it’s always his) posting history public,

  • Oh those balloons… happier times. Malarky.

  • The Librarian

    Several young women said really nasty things about HRC and her supporters. I offer them the (banhammer of loving correction) adult idea that you don’t have to agree with a candidate on every single issue in order for that person to be a good choice, but can that person work well with others here and abroad in order to move our nation forward.

  • renegade500

    Who’s got 2 thumbs, a broken left foot and a ticket to see Hillz at Book People on Nov 17 in Austin (which sold out in an hour)?!!!!!

  • Apple Scruff

    The loudest “shut up and go away, Hillary” voices are coming from the Bernie-obsessed brogressives, not conservatives (you should seem them all crawling out of their empty beds to talk shit over at AV Club). And as someone on another thread noted, not one of them has told Steve Bannon to get lost.

  • persistently_resistant_gayby

    Damn, I probably will getz the audiobook version.

  • Wojciech

    On a serious note, this is a good thing not only for Hillary but for those of us who proudly voted for her — without an ounce of shame, not because she was “the lesser of two evils,” but because we genuinely thought that she was the best candidate in both the Democratic primary and the general election. The venom that has been unleashed against both Hillary Clinton and her supporters has been unreal and disgraceful. I expect no better from Trumpanzees. But shame to Sanders and his most unhinged supporters, who have wasted valuable time relitigating the primaries and making hay out of the election results instead of trying to unite with Hillary’s supporters.

    No unilateral disarmament, no bending the knee to the Chapo Shithouse crew.

  • Johnny Appleseed

    “According to a Russia media analyst, a member of the Duma legislative body made an off-the-cuff comment on national TV that Russian intelligence “stole the president of the United States.”
    “According to Julia Davis, writing on Twitter, “#Russia‘s state TV mocks American intelligence services: MP Vyacheslav Nikonov says U.S. spies slept while Russia elected a U.S. President.”

    Clarifying the comment, Nikonov reportedly blurted U.S. “intelligence missed it when Russian intelligence stole the president of the United States.”

    The Hill notes that the panel Nikonov was participating on focused on the diminishing power of the United States on the world stage.”

  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

    “Hillary is just unlikeable” also too.

    Which I respond to with “Strangely, she got more votes than anybody else”.

    • Serai 1

      You gotta wonder what it is that keeps people from speaking for themselves.

    • jesterpunk

      The weirdest thing with Hillary is people pull that excuse every time she ran for an office or before she was nominated for SOS. But once she is in office the people she represented loved her. When she left the SOS position she had a 69% favorability rating, when she was senator she had 56% favorability rating.

      • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

        as far as I can tell, a small group of journalists and pundits started this meme during their “but her emails” orgy.

      • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

        Whereas Condoleezza Rice was so likable when she became SoS.
        “I really hope that you will refrain from impugning my integrity” 3:05
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=camaNzPWV2M

        • H0mer0

          “Integrity,” you say?

          • Serai 1

            …said the woman who was out shoe shopping while New Orleans drowned.

      • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

        Her favorability over the last 25 years or so:

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/88ed0353a24f1ca7f41015028f738f724a9c4da8f18d4c9828d019fd8c92b29e.jpg

        sure looks like something changed in 2016 – like maybe a deliberate sabotage attempt incorporating the media and supposed leftists? Nah.

        • jesterpunk

          Thank you, that chart is what I was thinking about but couldn’t find.

  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨
    • Serai 1

      What, you’ve never heard of PETA?

  • Boko999

    There are people who want to be leaders for the sake of being leaders (annoying at best) and there are those who lead because they want to get things done. Billary epitomizes the the first group. People like Warren, Sanders, and Franken are exemplars ( see what I did there?) of the second.

  • Tighelander

    The people that did the most to get Trump elected were Obama, and Hillary.
    “Voting for the lesser of two evils, still puts someone evil in office, and that’s how we are in the near-fatal mess we are in today.
    Hillary’s “Let them eat cake” attitude is burned into my brain from watching her laugh at a reporter that asked about her emails, and her dismissal of BLM activists. Bill’s letting his mask down, and lecturing BLM activists was revelatory.

    The policies of Trump, and the DNC both lead to ruin. The DNC’s road to ruin is long, and the true destination is hard to see until it’s too late. The Left always goes to sleep when someone that they think is, “their guy” is in the White House. Just think how Bill increased Media Monopolies, signed NAFTA, and set us up for the Bank Crash of 2008. Think of how Obama put no bankers in jail for the Crash, how he said he had the authority to kill any American citizen without a trial, and how he was okay with cutting Social Security. Does any of this sound like something a Liberal should accept? Hell no! The GOP is crazy, and the Democratic Party has been sold out to Corporate America. The only thing that will save the country is a new third party, one that will offer a place for Liberals, Independents, and those that haven’t been voting.

    • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

      I find that the people crying loudest for a third party do next to nothing to create one. They do nothing to get third party mayors, third parties elected to school boards, the city council, and on and on up.

      • HooverVilles

        It is much easier to complain.
        Low Energy! Weak! SAD!

      • Serai 1

        They do nothing, period. They whine and bitch and moan but they can’t be bothered to lift a finger to get things done. Spoiled, entitled brats tailing after Grandpa hoping he’ll give them candy.

      • Stulexington

        It’s almost like there’s more to a party than the presidential candidate or something.

      • de_Pizan

        Take Oregon, which should be a prime spot for the Green party in general and eastern Oregon a prime spot for the Libertarian. In 2006, there was a law making it more difficult for a candidate to run for office in the state without being affiliated with a party–the third parties should have been all over that as an opportunity to grow. Instead, nothing. No voter registration pushes, ads, informational material or anything. There’s only 6 elected officials in the state from the Green party, 3 from the Libertarian–all of those are city council positions.

    • Saxo the Grammarian
    • jesterpunk

      Go create your purity party and take Bernie with you, with any luck you might get to name 3 post offices in 30 years and recognize Vermont again.

      • cratewasher

        Maybe we’ll win next time with a more Hillary like candidate!
        I’m game to get fooled again!

        • jesterpunk

          You would rather support a guy who couldn’t even win the primaries and hasn’t done shit in 26 years in congress. But he does have some buzzwords that fit on a bumper sticker so there is that.

          • cratewasher

            You’re right….we should run Hillary
            How’d that turn out….

          • jesterpunk

            She did get 3 million more votes then Trump did….

    • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

      horseshit.

      • mailman27

        utter

    • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

      TL;DR “I helped Trump win but it’s your fault”

    • Anna Rompage

      Why that’s some fucked up gasslighting right there, and almost as bad as a domestic abuser blaming their victim for the violence they are subjected to…

      I wouldn’t have hit you sweetie if you were just a little better of a person and did what I said

      I hope you get some counseling, and sometime soon…

    • Serai 1
    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
    • So, you’re organizing a political party? Let us know how that’s going, okay?

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      That bullshit is exactly why Trump is in office. You want to build a third party? A VIABLE party? Start building one. Run local candidates. Create an organization. Do the WORK. Otherwise, all your fucking bullshit, pie in the sky rhetoric is completely meaningless. Worthless, ignorant fucking dilettantes like you make me sick. You think you can simply declare a position and everyone will fall all over themselves congratulating you for your genius. Life isn’t like that you fucking moron. Take a good, long look in the mirror. Goddamned stupid idiots like you are a major reason why we have that piece of shit in the White House. Remember that when his EPA guts environmental protections, when his Justice Dept screws minorities, women and gays at every opportunity, and when judges HE appoints roll back progressive legislation for a generation. But I have no doubt you’ll find someone else to blame for all of that. Assholes like you are never willing to take responsibility for the consequences of their actions.

      • Tighelander

        I agree. A lot of work has to be done to make a new, viable party.

        Can you say the Status Quo of the DNC has been working well enough to stay the course? Since Obama was elected, the Democrats have lost everything during a period in which they should be winning more and more. They lost the House, the Sentate, the Supreme Court, and they’ve lost so many states, that if they lose 2 or 3 more, the Conservatives can call a Constitutional Convention and force everyone to live under their twisted ideology.

        The Centrist policies of the DNC aren’t winning the hearts of voters. We need change, but it’s only been a marketing slogan, and not reality. The DNC is beholden to their corporate donors, so they can’t change. In stead of offering a positive alternative to the insanity of the Conservatives, all they can do is use fear to get votes.

        What passes as a Democrat these days is sickening. Decades ago, the party was taken over by unpatriotic, pro-corporate Centrists. They candidates they gave us acted like Liberals, but ruled like Republicans: Bill Clinton allowed Media monopolies, cut the social safety net, signed NAFTA, increased the prison state, and killed the FDR era banking safeguards that had kept our banks safe since th Republican’s Great Depression. This set us up for the 2008 Crash. Obama didn’t put any bankers in jail, didn’t re-instate banking safeguards, left the banks ‘Too big to fail’, pushed for TPP, said he could kill any American without a trial, and was okay with cutting Social Security. None of this sounds like something a Liberal would do. What’s next? In a few years will a Democrat back ending Roe v. Wade? I know that’s an exaggeration because Centrists don’t mind social issues because those don’t cost their big money donors anything. Economic issues however, those do count and they will always stab Liberals in the back on those.

        Through both Conservative and “Liberal” administrations this country has only slid more and more to the right, closer to the edge of a cliff. We desperately need a new party.

  • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

    Russia didn’t stop with stealing the election for their puppet. Their interference continues.

    https://twitter.com/AshaRangappa_/status/907436177296412672

  • cratewasher

    In the news currently:
    Hillary releases a book blaming Bernie for her campaign loss.
    Bernie introduces a Senate Bill (backed by Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris) for Medicare For All.
    Who is the more productive and necessary politician now?

    • jesterpunk

      Hillary did more in her political career then Bernie could ever hope to do. So Hillary is more necessary and productive.

      • cratewasher

        I mostly remember her vote (and advocacy) for the Iraq War.
        Her advocacy for more regime change and weapons proliferation in the Middle East; and her squandering of a grass roots political movement that Bernie Sanders handed to her on a platter.
        There is no way she is part of winning going forward.

        • jesterpunk

          Yawn, its the same tired bullshit from you Bernie bros.

          How about putting up healthcare reform in the 90’s and successfully getting CHIP when that failed? Or education reform in Arkansas when Bill was President?

          • cratewasher

            I loved her early stuff!
            But, she is an albatross to the party going forward.

          • jesterpunk

            Bernie is way worse, he doesnt want to join the Democratic Party but wants a say in how its run. He wants to keep trashing the party but wants its resources. His “unity party” people cry over donuts and bottled water.

          • cratewasher

            Berbie and his supporters were far better allies to Hillary than she and her supporters ever were to him.
            At this point, she’s actually dangerous to the progressive movement

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            BULLSHIT, sorry sport but you and your fellow Bros™ don’t speak for the progressive movement, you just think you do because you’re all as entitled as the asshats in the Tea Party

          • cratewasher

            Listen to yourself.
            You sound like a Trumper with that mouth….

          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

            This is why we think you people are shit. I will make it very simple for you: it is because you are.

          • cratewasher

            Nazis also think people are shit.
            Just another thing the Hillary faithful have in common with the lil’ red hatters…

          • jesterpunk
          • SeeTrain65
          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

            You are publicly parading yourself as a piece of shit. Does that make you feel important, or superior, or something?

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            zero to Godwin in 60 seconds

            Congrats- left wing teatard, you showed your true colors without wasting too much of our time

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            FUCK YOU, you sound like a spoiled child who hasn’t learned the valuable lesson of being told no by anyone. I’m a progressive, clown boy. You don’t speak for me or for millions more like me. Get that through your thick, entitled skull.

          • cratewasher

            My my.
            Fuck you too

          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

            God damn you are full of shit. Bernie had nothing but contempt for Obama, who made the first real progress since Johnson, and worked to derail his successor and endanger his legacy. Bernie did incomparable harm to this country. HOW FUCKING DARE YOU have the fucking gall to pontificate about the “progressive movement”? FUCK YOU.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Watch it, cratewasher will get a case of the vapors over your language. Poor snowflake can’t handle it when he steps outside the echochamber

          • cratewasher

            Wow. I guess this kind of proves all my points about the illogical rage of the Hillary faithful.
            How will this help get Single Payer?
            Are you sure you aren’t a Russisn agent trying to sow discord amongst progressives?

          • jesterpunk
          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Fuck off some more, sport. I actually voted for Sanders in my primary, but since I’m not a spoiled little child I happily voted for Hillary in the general- mainly because I’m not a moron and studied and realized she isn’t the devil incarnate, nor is she a wall street shill, nor is she a warhawk, nor is she a centrist. You Bros™ believe all that shit because you’re all dumber than stumps. Want to know who got played by the Russians?

            LOOK IN THE FUCKING MIRROR

          • Boko999

            So did the vast majority of Sander’s voters so why do you demonize anyone who dare criticize Clinton?.
            You know, the one who lost to the human cheeto?
            Jesus Christ, keep this up and you’re are going to get Trump re-elected.
            Not a centrist? Please!
            She’s an Eisenhower Republican (like St. Rachel Maddow) , which is OK, they were sane.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            so why do you demonize anyone who dare criticize Clinton?.

            A) I don’t demonize anyone that “dares to criticize Clinton”- that is a lie

            B) The majority of Sanders voters did the right thing and happily supported Clinton in the general as I explained (try reading better, dullard). Those that chose instead to nurse their butthurt and actively work to sabotage her campaign by spreading RW lies and character assassinations deserve every bit of the shit I dump on them, and then some.

            Not a centrist? Please!

            No shitforbrains, not a centrist. She has a sterling progressive voting record. She is to the left of Obama and to the left of Saint Bernard on many issues. But she is far more pragmatic about those issues than Bernie is- all he does is go around and promise everyone their pony without bothering to explain how that will happen, while she brings in nuance and discusses the actual process of getting that pony. You can slag on her for “ONLY” supporting a $12 dollar per hour minimum wage while Bernie promised the pie in the sky $15 that he’d never be able to deliver, but that doesn’t make Bernie “more progressive” or “leftier than thou”, that just makes him a bullshitter. Likewise, her college plan included income tests, so millionaires didn’t get free college for their kids. Meanwhile Bernie was busy offering up those ponies to anyone who would listen. The fact that you dullards don’t understand that in this political climate even a $12 increase to the minimum wage is going to be a battle or that “free college for everybody” is a complete nonstarter with half the electorate shows just what a bunch of naive fools you clowns really are and how much you’ve insulated yourselves inside your little bubble. I watched a $10 wage increase barely squeak by in my hometown. I watched simple rate hike prohibitions for college lose in my state. And you idjits think the pie in the sky $15 or free college would pass? LOLOLOL. When you’re not likely to win, you can promise anything in the world to everyone- but a real politician understands just how profoundly irresponsible those promises actually are…

          • Boko999

            All you’re good for are insults and invective. Your reply proves my first point and I didn’t slag on her for her position on wages, you’re hallucinating. As to your assertion she is to left of Sanders, well, your handle says it all.

          • Serai 1

            Wow. A detailed explanation, and all you see are “insults and invective”. Can we say “crystallized precipitation”?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5ccb2de0fc1f9a7732660892e4fd41f1aab41ae93e474dbb3132e4102b3ff9a5.gif

          • Serai 1
          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Explain how slagging on Clinton about her book will get single payer

            fucking hypocrite

          • cratewasher

            Her book is celebrity garbage fare.
            The kind of stuff we need to move beyond.
            It’s time to grow up.

          • jesterpunk

            Ok when you Bernie Bros grow up then we can talk. Until then.

            http://i.imgur.com/PkpG5ll.gif

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            As opposed to Bernie whining in his book about how unfair it was that she was better prepared before the primaries started? As opposed to him whining about the fact that before anyone else had announced, many superdelegates were leaning her way? As opposed to the continued infighting and attacks on the party from both Sanders and especially his surrogates?

            Good Lord, your hypocrisy runneth over. More of the Bro™ logic- women aren’t allowed to write books or express opinions

          • cratewasher

            Quite a leap there….

          • Delu

            You’re complaining about her book doing to Bernie what you’re trying to do to her here?

            Any excerpts from said book you want to cite to show us where she was SO MEAN to poor old Uncle Bernie?

          • cratewasher

            Watch it…?

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            I wasn’t speaking to you, dullard

          • cratewasher

            Um, it’s right here on the screen.

          • Zippy W Pinhead
          • cratewasher

            Language, listen to yourself.
            We are supposed to be on the same side fighting for issues; nor sacrificing ourselves on the alter of celebrity worship.
            I don’t think Bernie is even neccesssrily the best next liberal candidate for president but defaming him, his agenda and allies is certainly not going to help anything.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Right on cue

            SMH, should we get you a fainting couch?

          • jesterpunk

            His allies who cry over fucking donuts and bottled water? Fuck them, when they grow the fuck up then they can have a seat at the adult table. Until then they need to go sit at the kids table.

          • cratewasher

            I am going to snap shot this conversation to prove my point about the similarities between the Hillary faithful and the lil’ red hatters in the way they approach their politics….

          • shivaskeeper

            Answer my questions please.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            they never do

          • cratewasher

            Sorry, dealing with a lot of inquiries from other rabid Hillary sycophants.
            What was your question, I would be happy to answer it.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Actually dullard, most of us are NOT rabid Hillary sycophants. A good many of us supported Sander early on. But don’t let reality get in the way of your butthurt sniveling…

          • cratewasher

            Do you talk this way in person?

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Yes, don’t be such a snowflake

          • jesterpunk
          • Boko999

            That’s really all your good for, ain’t it? Juvenile bullshit.

          • Delu

            And your 1 liners here are for what exactly?

          • Delu

            Make sure you get the entire thread.

            Especially the part where you didn’t answer even one of shiva’s questions.

          • You’re a condescending, instigating piece of shit.

            And I can say that because despite being accurate “mean”, I’m still not going to vote to cut off much needed benefits for you just to “teach you a lesson.” I still wouldn’t chant “let him die!” and prevent your from having health coverage. I still am not going to vote to defund the schools your children might attend just to “stick it” to others. I certainly wouldn’t vote for policies that allow the factories you work for to pollute your water or subject you to unsafe, unregulated working conditions (with little-to-no compensation because seeing you and your environment getting screwed over is preferable to being seen as “anti-business.” An even with awful people like you existing, I still wouldn’t support discriminatory “anti-MLK” policies that threatens your life and livelihood and judges you on the color of your skin rather than the content of your character just to “put you in your place.” Now can any of the “red hatters” people like you passive-aggressively coddle and enable say the same?

            However, what I would do is kindly suggest places you can stick your “both sides do it” fallacy.

          • jesterpunk

            Hillary won the primaries, Bernie lost. His supporters spent the entire election crying that the rest of us wouldn’t kiss their asses.

          • cratewasher

            How’s that primary victory serving you now

          • jesterpunk
          • Delu

            Very well thank you.

            After all, even without it, by said logic, Bernie would also have lost to Trump if the primary victory had gone to him….

          • jesterpunk

            Bernie would have also lost the popular vote too.

          • Delu

            We can only speculate.

            The tragedy of it all being in alternate dimensions that we will never get to experience.

            Unless…someone unearths the Obama Time Machine!!!!!

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            How’s it serving you? Oh wait, you lost

          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
          • shivaskeeper

            Please define the “progressive movement” and explain how Democrats are not pat of it.

          • Anna Rompage

            The progressive movement are libertarians that believe in legalizing pot, and that it’s okay to sleep with whomever might give you the chance, regardless of gender?

          • cratewasher

            I see, so your Hillary doesn’t represent progressives.
            Glad one of you is finally admitting it….

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Learn to read better, dullard

          • Anna Rompage

            I guess that depend on what your idea of progressive movement is.

            I know one thing, reproductive choice, marriage equality, the environment, equal rights for women & minorites, immigrants, & our relationship with the rest of the world, would not be in peril right now if Hillary was president…

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Have I mentioned recently how much I like you?

          • Anna Rompage

            Thank you!

            I like you too!

          • cratewasher

            Too bad she ran such a crappy and lazy campaign….
            It was hers for the taking….
            But, I tried to tell everyone that was the risk in running her….

          • Delu

            Yeah. Too bad.

            But she was able to beat Bernie with her crappy and lazy campaign, so…..

            Wait, does that not mean that Bernie’s campaign was even crappier and lazier than hers?

            How else to explain the win?

          • Anna Rompage

            Not only that, but she also beat trump in the popular vote as well…

            Only in this person’s mixed up world, would someone be considered a loser who won the most votes in two election cycles

          • Delu

            I’m expecting the “collusion with DNC and Debbie Wasserman Schultz” line as the reason any time now…

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            RIGGED!!!1!!1!

            they cling to that Russian lie like a drowning man to a life preserver

          • SisterArtemis

            Damn, where’d I put my bingo card?

          • Anna Rompage

            Wait, I though she was a flawed candidate who wasn’t popular enough to win.

            Now you’re touching on the other fright wing talking point that she didn’t win because she was lazy, and ran a crappy campaign?

            When are you gonna mention email servers, Ben Ghazi, and cankles?

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            SHRILL!!1!

          • WomanInThePersistence
          • Delu

            Clinton tried to ban people from sleeping in the beds with others of the “incorrect” gender?

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            those pesky issues aren’t “progressive” according to the Bros™

          • cratewasher

            13Dem Senators (many of them Hillary superdelegates) refused to sign Bernie prescription drug bill early this year.
            Could have started Trump’s term by presenting him with popular legislation, and putting him on the spot; but 13 Democrats thought they’d side instead with Rubio, Cotton and McConnell…
            Stuff like that….

          • jesterpunk

            Democrats control congress and can pass bills on their own?

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Notice to the six degrees of Kevin Bacon Hillary Clinton. Wow, imagine a bunch of sitting politicians being superdelegates- that means the Bros™ get to blame this on her too!

          • jesterpunk

            They also ignore the fact that nothing is getting passed in this congress unless republicans support it.

          • cratewasher

            No, they couldn’t even pass a Public Option when they had a chance….

          • jesterpunk

            But Bernie could pass universal healthcare by wishing for it?

          • Delu

            Which was when exactly?

          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

            Must be when they had 59 votes, and Lieberman was a no. It doesn’t understand how congress works. They never do.

          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
          • Boko999

            Are you eight years old?
            Jesus, what an idiot.

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            Those senators stated their objection on the record – without FDA controls, it wouldn’t be responsible to bring exported drugs back in safely. It didn’t help when Sanders compared complex prescription medication to vegetables and fish (you probably won’t die from a bad batch of arugula, but counterfeit heart medication is a different story).

          • cratewasher

            Yes, that was some bullshit wasn’t it…?
            “Canadian drugs aren’t safe….”
            They just happened to be the largest recipients of Pharma money…I’m sure it was just a coincidence…

          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            See, you parrot idiotic talking points without going deeper. It’s not that Canadian drugs aren’t safe. It’s there are no controls to reinspect or authenticate medication once it comes back in.

          • shivaskeeper

            I did not ask for “stuff like that”. I asked for you to define what a “progressive” is. It was a pretty specific question.

            That is an attempt at deflection, argument to the people, non sequitur, strawman, and moving goalposts.

            Five logical fallacies in two sentences., Not bad,

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            I warned ya, lol

          • cratewasher

            A progressive does not support overthrowing leaders around the world for US hegemony.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            THAT is your definition of progressivism?

            LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

          • cratewasher

            At least I said one.
            What have you said that is productive this entire thread?

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Who the fuck are you? And why are you here?

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            that you’re an idiot?

          • Serai 1
          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
          • Serai 1
          • jesterpunk

            So Bernie isnt progressive? He voted for the 2001 Authorization Unilateral Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF).

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            and supported the drone strikes and supported the war in Kosovo and supports Israel’s right to defend its military occupation of Palestine. Sanders also voted in favor of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998

          • Delu

            Yes, I don’t think progressives are too into that today…especially after Iraq.

            And Hillary wants “US Hegemony” yes?

          • shivaskeeper

            That is your definition? That’s all it takes to be a progressive?

            I’ll give you another attempt at it. I am being serious here, no snark. I cannot talk to someone of we are not speaking the same language. How do you define a “progressive” and the “progressive movement” also please show how Democrats cannot be progressive per whatever definition you are using.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            “Congress reaffirms that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.”

            Guess who voted in favor of that resolution?

          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

            Oooh, oooh, don’t tell me . . . it’s on the tip of my tongue . . .

          • cratewasher

            please remind me how Hillary enunciated a progressive vision for the country during her campaign.
            I think you have a lot more explaining to do than me….

          • jesterpunk
          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Maybe you should have listened to her speeches, read her many papers, visited her website, paid attention during the debates.

            But no, you were too busy with your dank memes and getting bamboozled by Russian troll farms

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            You could read her platform. You know, the one she talked about constantly except the media decided covering whatever stupid shit Trump said (or his empty podium) was more important. In fact, I remember one particular policy speech (it was an economics speech) she gave that CNN muted so they could talk about why she was wrong about what she was talking about while she was still talking.

          • Delu

            Well we’d have to know what you mean by “progressive” now do we?

            I mean, it’s not every leader who goes to war that’s trying to spread “US Hegemony” around…

          • shivaskeeper

            Deflection again with begging the question.

            I’m not the one saying I speak for millions of progressives, that was you. I am asking for your definition of who you are speaking for.

          • Delu

            So, people didn’t do what Bernie wanted them to.

            Therefore not progressive?

          • cratewasher

            BTW, I love how you marginalize the catastrophe of the Iraq War.
            How do you Hillary faithful sleep at night?

          • jesterpunk

            Hillary was president? She went with the information that was available at the time that she had access to.

          • cratewasher

            Yet she still advocated for similar failed policies as SOS; even with hindsight…
            She was a nightmare of a candidate for progressives.
            I feared this exact thing when she decided to run in 2016.

          • shivaskeeper

            I just asked you a question about her vote for that. Could you answer it please?

          • cratewasher

            You keep saying it, but I don’t see your question….

          • shivaskeeper

            Cut and past from the original reply to you:

            What intelligence did you have in 2001-2002 to show everyone who did
            not, and could not, see the raw data to know it was cooked? What did you
            know about the falsity of the final product the end users got to see?
            What did you do to make sure that info got out? Hindsight is great, but
            she and all the others were making decisions based on fake intelligence.

            If you knew about it then and didn’t say anything you are the problem.
            If you didn’t know, just like the rest of us didn’t know, just like
            anyone who wasn’t privy to the uncooked intelligence, holding a 16 year
            grudge for making a decision based on faulty data seems excessive.

            Those questions. Answer those please.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            An hour later

            Tick tock…

          • shivaskeeper

            I am wearing my shocked face right now.

          • Anna Rompage

            Oh yes, Hillary is the reason why we went to war in Iraq….

            Please spare us the bullshit

          • cratewasher

            Millions of Americans knew the hysteria about Iraq was bullshit.
            Every international weapons inspector who had been to Iraq knew it was bullshit (that’s why millions of us knew, we listened to the experts).
            Bernie Sanders knew it was bullshit.
            Either Hillary was fooled, or complicit.
            Either way, it was then I knew that she would never be president.

          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
          • Anna Rompage

            Had you even had your first moon yet when the Iraq war started?

          • cratewasher

            I’m 50.

          • Anna Rompage

            Even more sad…

          • Boko999

            I’m only 64 and a half years old and I seem to recall thousands of people across the States taking to the streets to protest the Iraq war.
            Some knew. You know, like the UN inspectors who found no indication that Saddam had WMDs.
            I feel very sorry for social democrats in the US.
            I thank the FSM that we don’t have to deal with such stupidity up here.

          • Delu

            Millions of Americans knew….

            Like the thousands of Muslims who cheered in the streets of New Jersey when the planes hit the towers on 9/11?

            Or perhaps we can actually see proof of that. Because see, America has been in a state of hysteria more or less since 9/11.

            Even today, it’s still in that state.

          • jesterpunk

            Bernie voted for Authorization Unilateral Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF), which allowed Bush to attack whatever country he wanted.

        • Anna Rompage

          Spoken like a person who greatly benefits from white privlage and hasn’t faced any adversity from this current administration, or its followers

          • cratewasher

            Spoken like a presumptuous child.
            I would have preferred winning, that’s why I didn’t want her to run.

          • Anna Rompage

            I guessed you missed the part where half of the Bernie supporters said something along the lines of “there’s no difference between trump and hillary”

            Hence, the statement about white privilege…

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Of course he missed it- nobody made him a dank meme®

          • cratewasher

            Do you remember when the Hillary camp tried to bring up Bernies support of the Sandinista revolution as a bad thing?
            Do you understand how egregious a historical revision that was. And what it said about her Neo Con tendencies (well documented).
            She basically lost all remaining respect after that, from generations of liberals.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            You don’t speak for generations of liberals either, dumbfuck

          • cratewasher

            At least I know how to speak in an intelligent conversational tone.

          • Delu

            So that hatred of Hillary in that tone is just my imagination I suppose?

            It must be, because it can’t be possible for an “intelligent conversational tone” to have something like that in it….

          • SisterArtemis

            New to wonkette, are you? we’re a vile snark mob, strewing profanity is normal around here.

          • Serai 1

            No, not new. The comments are showing blocked for me, which means the troll’s been here before. But it’s got a new handle, and like a usual idiot troll, it thinks nobody can tell.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            At least you think you do

            ROFL

          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

            Ram it in your dickhole, pigturd.

          • cratewasher

            ^^^Hillary voter

          • jesterpunk

            Yet she had 3 million more votes then Trump and almost 3 million more then Bernie…That must be Bernie math.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHS-K7OuLAc

          • cratewasher

            Well, there is no doubt that white privilege runs amok.
            How does hating Bernie, Warren, Harris et al help?

          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

            Who hates Harris, except Bernie bros? You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, do you? Fucking Russian troll.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Jesus, now WE hate Kamala? Are you aware of the organized attempt to destroy Harris by the Bernie Bros™ in order to clear the field for their savior? It ain’t us smearing her her, you dullard

          • cratewasher

            I’m aware that the Hillary faithful are constantly trying to sell me on a Bernie/Kamala fued; I’m just not buying it.
            Medicare For All.
            Get with it.

          • Delu

            Please point out these Hillary faithful and what they are selling.

            And we’ll show you that we aren’t selling any of that.

          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
          • Zippy W Pinhead

            We’ve all personally SEEN the ugly attacks on Harris from the rabid Bros™. Whether or not you have your head in the sand and didn’t see it or are too dishonest to admit it is immaterial

          • Serai 1

            These idiots have to keep denying it. It’s the only way they can sleep at night.

          • Anna Rompage

            Who said anything about hating warren & Harris?

            BTW, I voted for Bernie in the primaries…

            In fact it’s the Bernie douchbags that are trying to imply Harris is a wall st cronie, even though she spent her entire life in public service in CA working as A DA

          • cratewasher

            Kamala and Bernie are allies.
            All the efforts of the Hillary faithful to drive a wedge between them will fail.
            No one is listening to you anymore, and I know that’s hard on y’all.

          • Delu

            Actually why would the “Hillary Faithful” drive a wedge between them? (if they are even doing that)?

            To get Clinton voted again for the next elections?

            Oh wait…

          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
          • Serai 1
          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Jesus you’re full of shit- there’s been all out war against her from you assholes. Just like when Warren committed the unforgivable crime of not taking sides before the Mass primary and you assholes went full monty unhinged on her

          • Wow, that is some 70 inch UHD-TV level of projection there

          • Delu

            I don’t hate Bernie.

            But I hate it that Americans are blaming anything and anyone but themselves for the result of the elections.

            In the end, it was AMERICANS who cast their votes. Not Hillary, she didn’t vote for America as a whole, Not Bernie either, not Trump nor Putin nor James Comey.

            It was America. Americans.

            They should be in front of their mirrors right now, pointing their fingers at it and shouting “it’s YOUR fault AMERICA lost!!!”

            But they are choosing to point their fingers elsewhere instead.

            So there’s more hope of “so much more winning” in the future.

            After all, mistakes can only begin to get corrected when one acknowledges that one is responsible for said mistake.

          • Get a wetnap, son, you spelled a little conflation all over your strawman.

            This is particularly “the ironing is delicious” statement since the Bernie cultist have relentless in trying to portray Harris as Queen Neoliberal Demon Priestess II: The Heretic, even though she supports many of the same issues with similar and familiar stances on them (get it?)

          • Serai 1

            It’s Hillary 2.0 with these assholes. Anyone who thinks there was no misogyny in what happened to Hillary should watch as THE EXACT SAME THING will happen to Kamala. And any other woman who tries to win the White House, REGARDLESS of how much she agrees with these whiny little titty-babies.

        • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

          There was no fucking “vote for the war”, you fucking cretin.

        • shivaskeeper

          One thing at a time.

          What intelligence did you have in 2001-2002 to show everyone who did not, and could not, see the raw data to know it was cooked? What did you know about the falsity of the final product the end users got to see? What did you do to make sure that info got out. Hindsight is great, but she and all the others were making decisions based on fake intelligence.

          If you knew about it then and didn’t say anything you are the problem. If you didn’t know, just like the rest of us didn’t know, just like anyone who wasn’t privy to the uncooked intelligence, holding a 16 year grudge for making a decision based on faulty data seems excessive.

          As for sponsoring a bill, that’s great. The trick is to get it passed. Sponsoring it means exactly nothing. Getting it passed is the hard part.

          Handing her a grass roots movement on a platter? Does that include the 12% who voter for Trump? Does that include the ones who are still taking potshots at her for not showing deference to St Bernie of Vermont? Does that include his Twitter followers, over half of which were fake accounts? Not to mention him still shitting on her all the way up the goddamn convention, long after her lost, and continuing to shit on her and the party as a whole?

          • cratewasher

            Dude, she blew it big time.
            Are you still trying to make excuses for her preferred foreign policy ideas?

          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
          • Delu

            And Bernie blew it bigger time I guess

            After all he lost to her.

          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

            Her book is selling better, too.

          • shivaskeeper

            Listen up kiddo. 55 of my friends died in Iraq and Afghanistan, Fifty five. If I can forgive her for making a bad decision based on deliberately falsified intelligence, you should damn well be able to as well.

            You also did not answer the question of what you knew back then, and what you did to get the word out. A lot more people than her fell for it.

            That’s another deflection, another strawman, another moving goal post, ad hoc reasoning, and a half asses begging the question.

            Five more fallacies in two sentences.

            I am getting the idea you are not going to answer honestly.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            No, he asked you specific questions that you keep dodging

        • Anna Rompage

          That’s because you watch too many news casts from RT

          • cratewasher

            What do you mean?

        • Delu

          Bernie Sanders created a grassroots movement?

          That would be the Berniebros we all know and love right?

          • cratewasher

            Guess you didn’t catch any of the campaign last year….
            But those Hillary rallies must have been exhilarating
            “Pokeman no” and all those great catch phrases!

          • Delu

            Yeah I did.

            If he really did have a “grassroots movement” I think he would have won the whole thing handily.

            That is IF he had a true grassroots movement.

            What I saw was a following that was determined to bring down Clinton, even to the point where they ignored Sanders when he told them “now’s the time for Unity” with regards to her.

            That grassroots movement.

          • Narthex

            Useful to check both the Our Revolution and Indivisible groups’ websites to find how many groups each has affiliated with it within 50 miles of you. Here in the Northeast I found 80 Indivisible affiliates and 4 Our Revolution affiliates. Says tangible about Bernie’s actual grassroots organizing abilities, to me.

          • Jamoche

            Well, grass anyway: after all, one definition of “libertarian” is “a Republican who wants legal pot.”

        • SineDie

          Enough. Who said she is part of winning? She should tell her story, which has data to support it. Sanders is the divisive character now.

          People are focusing as they should on the elections ahead and on Democratic candidates who will win in 2018.

          Sheesh.

          • cratewasher

            Of course she has a right to sell a book…
            But, there is more meaningful work being done in the Senste; and it’s being done by Bernie Sanders and his allies.

          • Delu

            Slow down.

            I mean, with regards to that I suppose we’d better also get on that damned Obama’s case for taking off back into private life and not going back to the “Senste” for more “meaningful work” as done by Zbernie and company because how DARE he want to distance himself from the bullshit of political work after his term ends!!?? How DARE he want to spend time in private with his family when there’s more “meaningful work in the Senste” to be done like how Zbernie and the rest are doing it!!!!

            SCANDAL!!!! Far WORSE than if he sold senseless books!

          • SineDie

            That’s a non sequitur and a straw man argument, so that’s two logical fallacies. False premises=false argument.

            In proper argument, you would compare a Senator to other Senators, not to Hillary. Hillary is just your strawman

            Don’t tell me what is going on that’s important within 500 miles of Bernie Sanders. Tell me what SANDERS is DOING about those issues–Sanders himself. Tell me something Sanders has suggested or a bill he has introduced that is a new idea. There’s a reason he’s called “Mr Amendment.”

            Give me a list of ten Senators who think Sanders is a leader who can work with a team? Can you give me a list of five Sanders-endorsed candidates who have won election–to anything.

            Tell everyone about Sanders’ position on gun control. Tell us how Jane’s defense is going. Show me, with DATA, why the conclusion is incorrect that Bernie Sanders and his followers were functionally the Trump wing of the Democratic Party.

            Finally, here’s the thing.
            I don’t think you are a persuadable voter for 2018. You’re still stuck on “Bernie or Bust.” I don’t wish to be unkind, but you are the voter whom Democrats need to win without. You are the voter Democrats need to stop debating. Whatever the future of the party is, it’s not Bernie Sanders or the voters who were an essential part of electing Donald Trump.

            Good luck.

    • Anna Rompage

      I suppose you were just 2 seconds away from being a dried stain in you father’s underpants, when Hillary took on comprehensive halealthcare reform when she was First Lady…

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      PSSST, the book isn’t about Bernie

      SMH

      • Serai 1

        I blame Seth.

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      Oh, you’ve read the book? Or are you just projecting what YOU think it’s about?

      Was Bernie the sole reason Trump is president? Of course not. But only an idiot would try to seriously contend that Bernie’s stubborn refusal to concede defeat, gracelessness and general dickishness was helpful in the election. Should Clinton have glossed over those facts and lied?

    • WomanInThePersistence
      • SisterArtemis

        would it have been one of those cakes we liked?

        • WomanInThePersistence

          Always.

    • Oh for fuck’s sake, can you drop this shit for like a minute? Christ, I’m so tired of you kids bickering back there. If I have to stop this car, so help me god, I’m going to prison and you’re going to regret it! So, shut the fuck up already.

    • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

      Yeah man this book DEFINITELY blames Bernie, even though you haven’t read it.

      Bernie’s book, by the way, only just manages to avoid explicitly blaming The Gays for supporting Clinton.

    • Delu

      And he also was a dick to Clinton right up to (and maybe even now) his proposed bill.

      Doesn’t THAT count for something?

      • cratewasher

        No. He was right about every critique he leveled at her.

        • Delu

          Yes, yes so he was.

          Anything contrary to that is “fake news” yes?

          Should we also talk about why Bernie lost too? I mean technically speaking it would be more productive of him to be talking about that, honestly and earnestly, than leveling critiques at the moment because hey, he LOST.

          To her too.

          How about it?

    • thatdamnbob

      a partial list of senators, a handful of which are likely to be presidential candidates 2020, that have signed on to Bernie’s bill for medicareforall, that want to give a pony (medicare) to everyone:
      Sen. Bernie Sanders
      Sen. Cory Booker
      Sen. Jeff Merkley
      Sen. Kirstin Gillibrand
      Sen. Brian Schatz
      Sen. Elizabeth Warren
      Sen. Kamala Harris
      Sen. Ed Markey

      • HazooToo

        I’m relieved to see Booker on there, because he got me a little fucking pissed off when he voted against importing Canadian drugs. This maaay make up for it. Maybe.

        • cratewasher

          That was a horrible decision by those Senators.
          Corrupt, actually.

          • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

            Good thing it never happened then, conspiracy crank.

        • thatdamnbob

          yeah, same here, started out being a dime a dozen sell-out to big pharma, but hopefully he learned his lesson,the old rules no longer apply, everyone is accountable for being clean or corrupt, no passes

        • thatdamnbob

          yeah, same here, started out being a dime a dozen sell-out to big pharma, but hopefully he learned his lesson,the old traditional greed no longer is acceptable, everyone is accountable for being clean or corrupt, no passes

          • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

            Again, this isn’t actually true.

          • thatdamnbob

            this is actually true: In a statement to the media after the vote, Booker’s office said he supports the importation of prescription drugs but that “any plan to allow the importation of prescription medications should also include consumer protections that ensure foreign drugs meet American safety standards. I opposed an amendment put forward last night that didn’t meet this test.”

            That is a cop-out, suggesting that Canadians aren’t to be trusted when it comes to medication safety. The effect of his vote is that Pharma is safe from sales from Canadian suppliers – and the American consumer is left without any competitive manufacturer inthe marketplace. Booker can’t point to a pile of dead Canadians who suffered with sub-par pharmaceutical manufacturing processes,but his relationship with BigPharma political money donors is secured, and that iss what mattered to Booker,in this case. It is obvious to the sane.

          • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

            He voted for importing pharmaceuticals from Canada. No amount of baseless speculation about his motives changes that. You’re mad he didn’t vote for SANDERS’ unnecessary version of the plan.

          • thatdamnbob

            you are assuming, little buddy. I am not mad – I state facts. He voted against importing pharmaceuticals from Canada, did you not read Booker’s quote rationalizing why he voted against the importation?

          • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

            No idea why you think this dumb lie will become true if you waffle on about something else.

          • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

            It’s also INSANE that you want to trust corporations to do safety testing in foreign countries, because that loophole will never get abused at all.

          • thatdamnbob

            NO, I trust that the Canadian government does an adequate job of monitoring the quality of manufacture.

          • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

            Good for you. Don’t care if you do, and it doesn’t make your claim – that Booker voted against something he voted for – any less of a self-serving lie.

          • thatdamnbob

            Slammed by left, Booker to join Sanders on drug imports
            Herb Jackson, USA TODAY Network
            – Better late than never –
            https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/02/27/booker-to-join-sanders-on-drug-imports/98500374/

          • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

            OK thanks for that incredibly stupid take someone else had. Still 100% a lie, though; Booker voted for the thing you are lying about. Maybe try telling the truth and not lying if you want to be thought of as a non-liar?

          • thatdamnbob

            ah, my condolences, I see you are infected with the Trumpian virus, “all news that I disagree with is fake news”, well, hopefully for your sake, maybe someone will find a cure

          • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

            I never said it was fake news; I said you were a self-serving liar, on account of how you are lying in an attempt to sabotage people with differing views. Not very progressive of you, frankly.

          • thatdamnbob

            something has you stupefied. you are the liar against a world of evidence of what I’ve posted to be true. I have no “view”, I’m pointing out facts. Ask your mom about the difference. I’m blocking you now, as communicating with you is a big waste of time. Best Regards!

          • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

            Booker voted against amendment 178 of S.Con.Res.3, which was Sanders’ pissant amendment. He voted YEA on amendment 188, which – BIG SURPRISE HERE – allows importation of drugs from Canada, although without making it easier to import counterfeit drugs from Canada.

            This is a matter of public record, as is the fact that in 2015-2016 Sanders took in $265K from Big Pharma, and Booker only $64K.

            You are engaged in deliberate sabotage of anyone that disagrees with you, the same as you and your ilk did in 2016 – and it for that reason I know you are not worth listening to on any topic.

            Fuck you.

          • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

            (in fact, all 13 of the Democrats you cultists claim are Against Cheap Drugs™ voted for 188.)

          • thatdamnbob

            oh yeah, and “self serving lie”, that is just a stupid thing to write

          • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

            Why? You’re lying about someone to help your political view. Self-serving and a liar.

          • thatdamnbob

            aka known as factually true:

            Booker, who has been mentioned as a potential 2020 presidential candidate, came under fire on social media and liberal blogs as too beholden to special interests after he and 12 Democratic colleagues, including fellow New Jersey Sen. Bob Menendez, voted against a drug-importation amendment to the 2017 budget resolution.

            https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/02/27/booker-to-join-sanders-on-drug-imports/98500374/

          • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

            Yes I get that stupid people, like yourself, are so sure they know the Real Truth they don’t mind lying. Still not true.

          • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

            What’s doubly hilarious about this bullshit is that you fuckers can’t even count. The people who voted AGAINST the (non-binding, never going to become law) amendment did indeed get more money from Big Pharma than their opponents. Around $1000 more.

            Bernie Sanders is the third or fourth biggest recipient of pharma cash out of all the non-Republican Senators, depending on when you count from. He’s taken in roughly five times the amount of cash Booker did from them over the 2016 period, and Booker represents a state that has lots of pharma jobs.

          • HazooToo

            I actually just found a thing at Politifact which slightly reduces my anger. I still kind of wish they had taken advantage of the chance they had to lower the prices, because I don’t see them getting another chance to do so anytime soon, but this raises some points I didn’t see in the article that I read at first.

            http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/jan/18/other-98/viral-image-about-democratic-senators-and-big-phar/

          • Serai 1

            It’s so cute how you think corruption in politics can be wiped out with an outraged declaration.

          • thatdamnbob

            it is not an outraged declaration. It is a sober and sane reflection of the attitude of the universe,which has decided, finally, to get involved. After many late-night discussions, and unswerving laser focus on my part to prevent the universe from getting distracted

        • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

          He didn’t vote against importing Canadian drugs. That is 100% Bernie Bro lies; he voted for the Democratic version of the bill, and not Bernie’s (which did not include safety testing).

          • HazooToo

            You know what? You are partly (mostly) right. Not only did he support such a move with an added safety test, but I also confused Cory Booker with Bob Casey, and no, I have NO fucking idea how I did that. I follow BOTH of these guys, and they look nothing alike. Massively dumb. Sorry. But anyway, here is a link which could help with this particular debunking in the future. I am still a little annoyed, but not as much as before.

            http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/jan/18/other-98/viral-image-about-democratic-senators-and-big-phar/

          • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

            I… actually get weird name confusions like that all the time, can’t fault you there.

    • SeekingCovfefeBarbie

      Why are you here? What do you hope to accomplish?

      • SisterArtemis

        That’s an excellent question to ask. Thanks.

      • cratewasher

        Helping refocus the Hillary faithful from their grieving state onto actually being helpful moving forward.

        • Delu

          Well you SURE are doing a helluva job of that huh!

          Meanwhile, you’re still blaming Hillary because?

          • cratewasher

            Again with the faulty logic
            This article is about a book Hillary will make millions on, while sowing discord on the left.

        • SeekingCovfefeBarbie

          Have you found attacking strangers about their beliefs to be a successful strategy for changing hearts and minds?

          • cratewasher

            I’m not the one attacking other people.
            Have you been following this thread?
            Read the comments to me from the Hillary faithful.
            My crime?
            Suggesting we work together and stop attacking Bernie while he’s actually trying to get real work done.

        • SisterArtemis

          You patronizing fuck, you think we’re GRIEVING? Quite a large number of us have been active in moving forward for the last 20 or 30 years, some of us longer. We didn’t give up after the election, we’re still active. You are a presumptuous bastard, who apparently has come here to mansplain The Truth to us. Jesus, get over yourself.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            No shit, while these bros were still busy sniveling about a rigged* primary, the rest of have been doing productive stuff

          • WomanInThePersistence

            I think what really annoys me about these Bros parachuting in, is that they don’t have a clue that it was pretty much fifty-fifty during the early primaries. And that most folks were okay with that. It’s like they think we’re just idiots.

            What condescending assholes.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            It’s the same “if you’re not a member of the cult, you’re an enemy” BS we hear from the Trumpanzees

          • Canned Covfefe

            Well done.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          Outstanding tactics you have chosen to use. I bet you really convinced a lot of people. After all, we are soooooo easily confused.

          https://youtu.be/NO0cvqT1tAE

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          No, you’re here to be a divisive asshole.

        • SeekingCovfefeBarbie

          If you did your homework, you would realize that the majority of people in this community are not grieving, and do discuss what it will take to move forward. You’d also learn the opinion many have about Bernie Bros, so that invoking Sanders is not a winning strategy. It’s like what was pointed out to you downthread. Build a grassroots campaign that people want to support. Beating up on Hillary supporters won’t make them likely to join you.

        • Royal Ugly Globalist Dude

          Sounds like you’re the one who needs to get over it and move on, buddy.

        • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

          “Helping the right wing more than I already did.”

    • SineDie

      Quelle surprise! A whole bill?

      • cratewasher

        Yes, it’s probably a meaningless and unimportant bill for something stupid like healthcare for all;
        we should just focus on bashing Bernie…

        • Delu

          I mean, YOU said that.

          We’re all for that bill. It sounds great and all, at least it’s an attempt.

          As for focusing on bashing Bernie, how COULD you suggest such a thing? Don’t you support him?

    • Stulexington

      Well Warren obviously, hardly surprising really since she’s always been more productive and necessary than Bernie. Not sure why you mention Hillary though, seems you’re focused on current politicians.

      • cratewasher

        The story is about Hillary’s book….
        That’s where the discussion comes from.

        • Delu

          And she’s not in current politics and she writes a book and then……

          ……

          then….

          ….

          OUTRAGE!!??!!??

        • Stulexington

          Oh, so it’s the talking about current politicians that’s out of place, gotcha.

    • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

      Why do you think the book you haven’t read blames Bernie? Oh, right – IT IS ALL A CONSPIRACY TO HOLD YOU, A WHITE MALE, BACK.

  • Raan

    If I put in an offer on that underwater cave, will it let me only talk to people when I want?

    • HazooToo

      Depends. Do you have an internet connection and sharks with lasers on their heads?

      • Raan

        My laser sharks will have 4G, Bluetooth, and each one will be a mobile hotspot.

    • SisterArtemis

      You’re only allowed to do that if you can maintain your Wonkette connection. Because, you know, you’re part of the fambly!

  • Debi Quilts Rodriguez

    She didn’t ‘lose’ the election. It was stolen from her by the illegal Republican gerrymandering. How else can someone lose an election by garnering 3 million more votes than an opponent, but still lose the Electoral Collage votes? Hmmm???

    • Up In Smoke O’hontas

      AL Gore on line 2…

      • Anna Rompage

        Herb, clean up on aisle 6….

    • HazooToo

      Welcome, Debi. Snacks are available in your fridge and pantry, make yourself comfortable. It is not one of the rules that you may not wear pants on this site, but we strongly encourage it for greater comfort and LIBERTY!

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Welcome! I hope you join us. Because you’re smart.

      • Debi Quilts Rodriguez

        Join what?

        • WomanInThePersistence

          Wonkette. We’re lively, snarky and supportive of one another. At least stop by once in a while. :)

        • SisterArtemis

          I know she already answered your question, but I might add that the crew here this time of day/night can be pretty fun, sometimes insightful, almost always snarky. The Open Threads (for example, this night’s OT) are pretty wide ranging, and that’s where we usually are conversing after the old Wonkette-post generating machine has gone to bed.

          • Canned Covfefe

            EDIT : My bad… Misread post

    • Delu

      Best way to overcome illegal Republican Gerrymandering is to get as many votes as possible.

      Illegal Republican Gerrymandering was also present for both of Obama’s elections, but he overcame it by doing the above.

      • Andy_Kreiss

        Yep, a nation that makes it close enough for a clown like trump to win on the relic of the EC might just deserve him.

        • Delu

          I think the country itself deserves him from this.

          • Andy_Kreiss

            Just to be perfectly clear, I didn’t mean that in the sense of those disconnected types who said “Maybe trump is what we need right now.” And a “Hell no”. I meant that there is a huge problem that can’t be blamed entirely on those who voted for trump.

            Millions sat home, or voted for no-chancers because hurt feelings.

          • Delu

            True.

            However, not voting is still a choice.

            Choices have consequences, Trump was the consequence of the combination of all those choices.

            Hence America shoulders the collective blame.

            It’s only fair that way.

          • ExecutorElassus

            It’s worth noting that “didn’t vote” won the ballot in 44 states. While it feels great to go to protests and wave cool signs and yell a lot (and it does! and it’s also important!) the only real power people have is at the ballot box. We could stop Presnint Bannon’s Lackey dead in his tracks in a little over a year, if we wanted to badly enough (well, assuming he and his gov’t isn’t impeached and/or sent to state prison first, which I wouldn’t).
            But the real work of running a democracy is also hard, and so we might not bother. Voting in midterms is boring, people are busy, etc. etc..
            Like they say: democracies get the governments they deserve, and if you choose not to participate, the only people left are the ones whipped up into a frenzy by Russian intelligence. Voter Apathy made it an election hinging on a few states, and the GOP/Kremlin knew exactly how to flip them. If we don’t do the hard work to prevent that next time, we’ll forever be at the mercy of hostile foreign powers.

      • Debi Quilts Rodriguez

        Seems as if 3 million more votes weren’t enough, sadly.

        • Delu

          It was still close enough for an EC.

          So unfortunately it was not.

    • Royal Ugly Globalist Dude

      The problem with the presidential vote is the electoral college, not gerrymandering– but point taken.

      • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

        It’s kinda both. The writers of the Constitution were concerned that city votes would overwhelm country votes; they never imagined the coming population density of cities.

      • Serai 1

        It’s definitely BOTH, dude.

  • Anna Rompage

    Okay kids I’m out!

    Sweet dreams to all of you except for the Bernie bros… to those folks , I hope you wake up tomorrow with a bad kink in your neck…

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Sleep well.

    • cratewasher

      And you wonder why she lost…..

      • Delu

        Well of course. It’s only right to consider how the candidate you supported lost right?

        I mean I suppose they COULD also spare some thought as to how BERNIE lost, but that’s YOUR job.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        That’s actually not how we do good night posts here. Please stop being an asshole. Thanks.

      • Anna Rompage

        Don’t forget, I voted for Bernie before I voted for Hillary…

        Maybe that’s what my problem is..

      • Well, luckily, we have electronic dispensers of unparalleled sagacity to answer your sense of wonder:

        http://twoplustwoequals7.blogspot.com/2016/11/why-hillary-clinton-country-lost-part.html

      • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

        We’re not wondering AT ALL; sabotage by useful idiots like yourself, at the behest of the very billionaires you think you’re opposing.

      • The Flaming Carrot

        Oh, look. You’re being upvoted by someone with a deplorable check mark. Well done, you.

    • jesterpunk

      Good night Anna.

    • Herb Brown

      Not all Bernie supporters are anti Hillary.

      • Anna Rompage

        I know, as I have stated numerous times, I voted for Bernie in the primaries…

        The folks I take issue with are the BernieBros that try to equate Hillary a being just as bad as Trump…

  • Serai 1
  • Connor

    Meanwhile, Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris are interested in buying a pony. .
    Oh. I’ll read the book, of course. Even disingenuous, she’s smart AF.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      ??? Your point is???

      • Connor

        That not all who disagree with her goals and policies are bros, nor all of her opponent’s proposals unachievable, fantastical “ponies.”
        Obviously.
        Doesn’t change the fact that she’s an incisive, super-informed analyst of politics, though, which is why I’ll be reading What Happened…that, and it’ll be fun watching wingnuts froth at the mouth about it.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          Nobody said that. Except the uninvited asshole (not you!) who came here to give us all the benefit of his wisdom. I see that you are very new here, and welcome! It’s always a pleasure to meet new people who seem sane.

          Seriously, during much of the primaries this site was about half Hillz, half Bernie. That includes the mods. We know that most Bernie supporters are not Bros. Honestly. But all of us are pretty much united in being pissed off by having somebody parachute in and tell us what to think. We may not have agreed on which candidate was the best, but we do share a progressive view of the world. And we are not idiots.

          Again, welcome!

        • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

          Literally nobody said that first part.

    • SisterArtemis

      so, maybe look up the definition of “metaphor” sometime…

      • Connor

        @@

  • IdiokraticCulturalMarxist
    • Delu

      Pretty much America right now.

      And Putin rejoices.

  • cratewasher

    Maybe blaming others will help….

  • Moar Wordz

    Did Hillary storm the embassy & kill Stevens ? No, she did not. Have any of these Benghazi broken records ever heard of Charlene 🐑 ? I doubt it.

    • Delu

      He emails killed him.

      At least Trumpians probably think so.

    • Toledo Window Box

      All the Benghazi hearings did their purpose and cut a good 5 points, at least, from her lead. The Republicans used the Congressional hearing process and millions of dollars of taxpayer money to purse a genuine witchhunt, solely for political gain.

      It worked, and they completely got away with it.

      • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

        They also got away with stealing a Supreme Court seat.

  • Moar Wordz
  • Old Man Yells at Cloud

    Wait, are you saying that she was warned, but she is persisting?

  • SisterArtemis

    WOOT! “What Happened” just landed in my Kindle Library!!!

    • Stephen Faulk

      Mine too!

  • Toledo Window Box

    This feeling we’re having right now, that she’s got every right to do this and they’re piling on in the most predictable and pointless way – is what every single day of her Presidency would have been like.

    • SisterArtemis

      And I think she knew it, and I think she was prepared. It’s our loss; it’s our nation’s loss.

    • Diane

      I think it would have been bad at first, but I also think they would have faded into the background as Hillary emerged as a great leader of the “Free World,” admired by all democratic countries. If she had won we would have picked up more congressional seats. I know of at least one congressional candidate that was also targeted by hackers.

      • Toledo Window Box

        The combination of Comey and Putin in the last 2 weeks scrubbed 10 points off her lead and swung millions of votes from D to R.

  • BFD

    I just wish the Left and the Right would stop droning on endlessly about Hillary. Just let it go and move on to the more pressing issues at hand. For the Dems that means finding fresh, electable faces fast.

  • terri smith

    I am buying the book for sure. What she went thru was sexism and misogyny taken to the 10th degree as well as cheating and likely illegal activity and lies from the other camp as well as enemy russian interference, as well as GOP voter suppression, as well as a FBI director who stepped out of his place to not only criticize someone publicly who was not charged with anything but did it in the crucial voting days again and did not even mention the russian involvement on Trumps side. The fact that she barely lost and gained more votes that Trump just shows what a truly great candidate she was. I wish she were president. She would be making American even greater.

    • amrak63

      The “election” of Cheeto Mussolini was not merely a black swan event, it was a perfect storm of black swan events.

    • lroom

      Thank you.

    • Diane

      Beautifully said. And concisely.

    • Tracy Almasy

      Keep dreaming Hillary will never be president . You can call us anything you want but Trump won the election and it is what it is .Trump won because he is putting Americans first as it should be . We owe our own first because they are citizens . Non citizens do not have rights . How many non citizens have went to Iraq , Afghanistan or any other shithole the government sent them to ? Our veterans , elderly , disabled , mentally ill and others who cannot care for themselves . Chicago is a sanctuary city ? How about giving some of our own homeless shelter ? It is very noble to want to save the world but some one will be left with nothing or not enough . We need to take care of our own first and go from there . I support the DACA kids because they had no choice in coming here . Keep them they know how to work . Deport 800,000 snowflakes they are no use to America . and will never be able to amount to shit because they believe the world owes them something . Big mistake snowflakes . Should of gotten a real degree instead of pissing around .

      • jesterpunk

        Trump put Trump first, second and the only important thing is himself. He isnt hiring Americans to work at his properties, he doesnt use American steel for his buildings. But sure keep believing his bullshit.

      • Serai 1

        And yet you spend your time here trying to sound smart to people who’ve heard every single inane piece of crap you spout about a thousand times already.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/106133496c879a6a61717d5a2c987bd74f240c949870da2c72d6e930864d467f.gif

        If things are so great, why aren’t you out enjoying your magnificent victory, instead of squatting in your basement obsessed with people you claim to disdain? Sounds like you need to get laid, Sparky.

      • Tiny kaiju

        Yes, why dont you give some of our homeless some aid and shelter? Instead of cutting benefits to them and treating them like trash because they are mentally ill or had the misfortune to be poor and then lose what little then did have.
        I had a whole rant going when I realized your paragraph was so disjointed, simplistic and contradictory it had to be randomly generated by throwing sentence fragments in a blender then cutting and pasting.

  • amrak63

    I see a troll appeared while I was sleeping. Although I do not recall the nom de Web of “Cratewasher”, he (of course it’s a he) is blocked to me, so either I blocked CW and forgot him, or he is an old troll using a new name.

    • Serai 1

      Yep, same here. Coward changed its handle so people wouldn’t recognize it. But as is typical with trolls, it doesn’t have a fucking clue how blocking works, so its pathetic little attempt at cleverness failed miserably.

  • Blaise_P

    Hillary Clinton’s entitled to her opinions as to why she lost. And we’re entitled to our own, in like measure. After HRC won the primary, Bernie Sanders went out and campaigned for HRC, it was a noble gesture on his part. And if she wants to say Bernie was some interloper, hey, it doesn’t matter what anyone says, it’s what the audience hears.

    Either the Democratic Party is going to learn to appeal to a wider audience or it’s going to die. They’re going to have to stop taking Big Money. And they’re going to have to get out of the No Man’s Land of centrism where both sides are firing at them.

    If HRC had a flaw, it was her belief that people vote on the basis of rational thought. Politics aren’t rational. Who are you, politically? You’re not some high minded idealist, dear commenter. You are the sum total of all the injustice you’ve seen in the world. You’re like some dinged up old car, life’s slings and arrows made you who you are, which is no bad thing to be. Voting for POTUS, that’s an emotional decision, hugely irrational.

    All those Trump voters, they knew he was a sociopathic creep and they voted for him anyway because they’re angry and frightened and alienated from government. The Fundies voted for him in hopes he would put conservative justices on SCOTUS so they could overturn Roe. That’s it. And all the people who voted for HRC, including me, were scared to death of the rise of fascism in the USA. Nothing rational about this. And HRC still does not get this. She thought attacking Trump (and Sanders) would win the election for her. All it did was solidify her enemies’ opinions.

    The next candidate the Democrats run had better not start waving a sheaf of policy papers around and calling the GOP voters a bunch of racist dummies, even if they are. Especially if they are. They need to give people hope. Some black dude from Illinois by way of Hawaii ran on that slogan and won. Twice. And some guy from Arkansas, her husband in point of fact. Also twice.

    • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

      After HRC won the primary, Bernie Sanders went out and campaigned for HRC, it was a noble gesture on his part.

      Bernie was and still is bitter that bitch beat him. It was shown through his reluctance to concede the primary even when he couldn’t mathematically win, at the DNC where he had a visible scowl on his face, when he allowed his supporters to boo, hiss, and insult Hillary and nary a peep, and when he gave an “OK, I’ll support Hillary because I have no choice” endorsement that was milquetoast at best.

      If HRC had a flaw, it was her belief that people vote on the basis of rational thought. Politics aren’t rational.

      Actually it is. 2008 and 2012 showed us that politics can and should be rational. 2016 showed us there’s an ugly minority of white people who cannot stand their dominance in politics is about to end. That is how Trump won: stupid white people who want nothing more than to piss off the country and the world, and Trump best reflects them. It’s another ugly chapter in our nation’s history, but as is the case with all other ugly chapters, it too will have an end.

      The next candidate the Democrats run had better not start waving a sheaf of policy papers around and calling the GOP voters a bunch of racist dummies, even if they are.

      GOP voters ARE a bunch of racist dummies, that’s exactly how Trump got the GOP nomination. We should not back down from speaking truth to power, and I’m glad Hillary isn’t. The GOP needs to deal with the fact their base is nothing more than white supremacists who want to “Make America White Great Again,” take the country back to the “good old days.” They need to be forced to confront and address that problem. Not all Republican voters are racist, but all racist voters are Republican.

    • JJ O’Shaughnessy

      On behalf of everyone who is sick and tired of you Berniebros blaming everyone else for the fact that your candidate lost the primary by an even heavier margin than Hillary beat Trump (3.2 Million despite there being less than half the electorate) and who seem determined to ratfuck the 2018 election because of your delicate fee fees, I would just like to issue the following statement:

      Fuck off.

      Also, HRC campaigned hard for Barack Obama in 2008. Or was it not noble when SHE did it?

    • CherMoe

      Have you ever heard of “self-defense” and how a woman who has been smeared, investigated, and made fun of for over THREE DECADES might “attack” her opponent and call him out on his lies, inexperience, greed, corruption, inhumanity? Imagine the GALL of her doing that! Men do it all the time and get away with it. And she was ferociously attacked by the Sanders crowd. What was she to do? Suggestions? Republicans SOP for campaigns is the SMEAR, ATTACK, SPREAD HATRED. What is your solution?

      • Donna Schoenkopf

        All political candidates are smeared, investigated, and made fun of so using this as an argument as to why she lost is lost on me, especially if we are to think of women as equal to men. We Bernie voters had the opinion that her proposals were timid, her ideas were tired, and her speechifying was really, really boring. These days personality counts when running for office. TV changed what qualifications are important in a candidate. I put Hillary in the same class as Walter Mondale and George McGovern. Loved them, but MAN, they were boring. I will say it loud and I will say it proud — “BERNIE !!!”

        • Slithytoves

          Oh FFS.

        • Horacio Yrausquin Palacios

          You got your wish, “TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP!!!” We are feeling the “BERN!!!” Enjoy!!

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        • RoughRugger

          SHE ADOPTED THE BULK OF HIS PLATFORM.

          The only real differences in their platforms during the primaries were questions of degree, not substance.

        • sgt. jmk of the résistance

          No one – NO ONE – disputes your right to find Bernie to be more inspiring. No one EVER disputed your right to vote as you pleased in the primaries.

          No one – NO ONE – objects to the normal smack-talking of politics, either, or claims that Hillary should have been exempt from it.

          What infuriates me – as a Hillary supporter – is the rampant flat-out lying your team did about her AND her supporters.

          I’m disgusted by how quickly and thoroughly your team fell for the disinformation campaign that targeted her because it told your crew what they wanted to hear, not because it was true…and how nastily they continue to claim that no, there’s no disinformation campaign at all but she just sucks that much. It looks petty and ignorant and just mean…and if those are progressive values, I’m out.

          I’m horrified by the willingness to repeat any slander, no matter how awful, I saw from your team.

          I’m repulsed by the refusal to even TRY to figure out which of the charges your crew so gleefully slung around were the result of the 35+ year-long GOP campaign against her and which had a reasonable or even basically factual basis.

          I’m nauseated by the double-standard your team displayed, giving Bernie a pass for doing things they excoriated Hillary for doing.

          I’m sickened by the inherent unfairness of the VAST BULK of the criticism that came from your team.

          I’m tired of watching the tantrums your team continues to have in public because they didn’t win. I’m tired of hearing Berners scream about how she hasn’t taken responsibility for the loss in the general as they bitch that Bernie only lost because of (non-existent) rigged primaries. I’m tired of the hypocrisy I see oozing from your crew every damned day.

          I don’t give a crap who you voted for in the primaries. To me, the values the party promotes are what unite us, not individual candidates. I liked Bernie – I always have, since he was in the House – but the behavior of his supporters – the unfairness, the ignorance, and the tantrums – and his sour arrogance and petulant refusal to grow up have turned me off permanently.

          And – fun fact – I’m fucking sick to goddamn death of having my legitimate complaints about the present and past behaviors of Bernie and the Berners dismissed by people who are still screaming about things HRC didn’t actually say or do a year ago.

      • Gussie Jives

        Well I was hoping that her reliance on center-right policy prescriptions for rampant inequality would have waned as she saw how well-regarded Bernie has been in Democratic circles post-election.

        HC has taken a metric tonne of bullshit since the 70s. From her father, from Bill, from Richard Mellon Scaife, from Gingrich. And I’m even willing to grant that she has taken shit from Bernie supporters for doing all the same things her male counterparts had to do to achieve their positions. But the fact that she can’t admit that some of her policies needed adjustment, then it doesn’t appear that she’s taken the critical lessons from her loss. Because even factoring in all the crap surrounding the election… it shouldn’t have been that close. Not against a two-bit reality show doofus.

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          • Gussie Jives

            Feel free to elaborate on that gif at any time.

        • Diane

          Gussie, you are just plain full of shit and have no idea what you are talking about. You don’t even know what her policies are. If you did and had a lick of sense, you would know that Hillary is a progressive.

          You must be out of your fricking mind to believe Sanders is “well-regarded” in Dem circles! Have you not seen how he has slammed the Dem Party over and over since the election? Do you think the Party is rolling over on that? Research how donations to the DNC fell off sharply after the mis-guided Perez took Sanders on the first leg of his book tour.

          We hate the bastard for helping the Russians elect Trump! For lying about Clinton “voting for the war” and being in bed with Wall St (both lies and exposed in a simple read of the Congressional record and her voting record that shows no favors to Wall St other than helping the businesses in NYC recover from 9/11). And for his own lies, e.g., Rome!

          And 99% of Congressional Dems hate him as well. He was given a leadership position to ease his ego after the primary defeat in exchange for supporting Clinton, which he hardly did.

          In spite of Comey’s unethical conduct post his investigation, including his “October Surprise,” which has been proven to have had an effect on voters, in spite of the Russian hacking (unless they actually changed voting outcomes, which appears plausible), in spite of Trump’s “Crooked Hillary,” Hillary would have won if idiot Sanders supporters had voted for her. You deserve some credit. Own it.

          • Gussie Jives

            Well, I’m Canadian, so I don’t really have much to own in your election. Merely an observer pointing out that Bernie’s legacy of targeting inequality is still key for the Dem rank and file. Perhaps I should have been more precise in saying that I was referring to the average Democratic party member rather than party insiders.

            Sure, but if, but if, but if… I’m not interested in re-litigating the election. What I’d like to see is what Hillary’s willing to learn from this loss and it appears she hasn’t learned much.

        • sgt. jmk of the résistance

          What was “center-right” about her “policy prescriptions”?

          Do tell. Please be specific.

          • Gussie Jives

            You mean besides supporting Obamacare (a centre-right policy)? Her hawkish stance on military intervention in places like Syria? Her laissez-faire Wall Street policies? Her support for then opposition to TPP?

            I get incrementalism on things, but the Overton Window has shifted so far right, this kind of incrementalism is still on the right side.

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            Oh yes… it’s totally reasonable to describe the 11th most liberal senator during her tenure as “center-right”… just like Patrick Leahy, with an almost identical ranking, is “center-right,” correct?

            She supported BUILDING on Obamacare to expand it from 90% coverage – which, in itself, was a lefty goal – to the 100% coverage she’s advocated for 35 years. She has a bit of experience in this area and has been schooled hard in what’s possible, but no, you’re right. That’s too incrementalist (don’t forget to spit when you say that dirty word) so let’s forget it and talk seriously about scrapping everything we’ve achieved so far for the dubious good of having to start from scratch. Seems legit.

            Her “laissez-faire Wall Street policies”? You mean laissez-faire measures like implementing the Buffett rule, increasing the taxes Wall St firms pay, and reducing loopholes and garbage like inversions? Or were you referencing the fact that she was the senator from the state in which Wall Street is a major economic driver and might have thought that helping a huge employer in her home state was a good idea? Get outta town, that NEVER happens, and CERTAINLY MUST BE evidence that she’s “center-right”…because a “real” left wing politician like, say, Bernie Sanders would never ever, for example, provide unqualified support for the craptastic, $1.5 trillion dollar F-35 just because it might benefit Vermont, would he?

            And how dare she initially support a treaty based on how it was going in negotiations only to oppose the end result as not having lived up to the promises of the earlier negotiating stages!! Quel horreur! That MUST mean she’s a center-right person, right?

            That “hawkish” person has advocated and relied on diplomacy far more often than she has advocated military intervention… and I, for one, recognize that she lives with a former President who is haunted by the consequences of non-intervention and has publicly stated that his most enduring regret is that, because of the disaster in Somalia, he was politically unable to put together an intervention in the genocide in Rwanda. Hillary has seen both the consequences of intervention AND the consequences of NOT intervening… but I know, I know… that’s FAR too nuanced and complex an idea for haters.

          • Gussie Jives

            Yeah, the key phrase there is “during her tenure”… which was during the Bush years when the Overton window was moving way to the right.

            You seem to be labouring under this assumption that I don’t like Hillary; on the contrary, despite some misgivings, I actually hold her in very high esteem as a politician working to make the world better place. When I say she’s a “centre-right”, I mean she–like Barack Obama–are essentially Eisenhower Republicans from the standpoint of policy. In a world not written by Kurt Vonnegut, the election would have been between an FDR Democrat like Sanders and an Eisenhower Republican like Clinton. That’s a sensible Overton window.

            Remember, I come from a country where Justin Trudeau is actually the centrist in the political equation… and a country where universal coverage is par for the course. So I’m not going to labour under the idea that Clinton is a strong progressive, because I’ve seen strong progressives in the mold of Tommy Douglas and they don’t defer to the status quo as much as she did. She’s on the progressive side of today’s politics, sure… but today’s politics are a bit out to lunch as I’m sure you’ve noticed.

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            Yes, during her tenure – she was unabashedly liberal before the whole freaking party started moving leftish.

            She was ranked slightly more liberal than Leahy… is he “center-right” too?

            And…wut? Clinton as “Eisenhower Republican” to Sanders’ “FDR Democrat”? Seriously? It’s insane to me that you would try to characterize two people who voted exactly the same way over 90% of the time as the two ends of some kind of a spectrum like that.

            https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/hillary-clinton-was-liberal-hillary-clinton-is-liberal/

            https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/3/31/1374629/-Hillary-Clinton-Was-the-11th-Most-Liberal-Member-of-the-Senate

      • Tracy Almasy

        My solution would would be that we follow the law for a change .

      • Blaise_P

        I’ve been part of six political campaigns. Won four of them. I voted for Hillary. Think she would have made an excellent president. Don’t you sit there and tell me about “self-defense” – Hillary Clinton as a human being and a legislator was great. But as a campaigner, she couldn’t fight her way out of a wet paper bag.

        It’s disastrous, I’ve met her, I know people who know her far better than I do, she’s a caring, expressive, hilarious person. In my opinion she was the most prepared candidate for POTUS, ever. And it just doesn’t get seen because she’s surrounded herself with a machine. Same thing happened to Mitt Romney. It’s like those gruesome Chinese plasticised corpses, it takes a machine to get elected but a machine can suck the authenticity out of a candidate. I take my politics way too seriously to argue over this sort of thing.

        I gave you suggestions. I said the next Democrat to come down the road had better make an emotional appeal and not go All Wonkomania on the American public. Hillary Clinton was badly advised. You think attacking a political opponent is the high road to victory. I think Bernie Sanders avoided attacking Hillary Clinton at every opportunity, with one exception: he said she took Big Money and it was true. Bernie took some union money from nurses. Imagine that, the one special interest which gave him any money wants health care for everyone. Hillary Clinton was vulnerable on the issue of Big Money – big news flash, CherMoe, any Democrat who takes Big Money will come in for the same slagging.

    • Donna Schoenkopf

      Great. Thank you!

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    • Diane

      Blaise, no doubt this is not your first time at spreading lies about Clinton that were used to persuade Democrats, Independents and BernieBots to vote against her. Keep up the hate and see if the Dems take back the White House or Congress in your lifetime.

      People who support Hillary are not going to let you and your ilk get away with lambasting Hillary. And NO, we are not going to let the likes of you, Bernie or his stupid, vile supporters tell us Democrats how to win elections. We will put our attention to securing the election process, and hopefully, you narcissistic, entitled millennials will one day grow up and learn to critical thinking skills. .

      No, voting for millions of people (at least 3 million more than who voted for Sanders) is not about based irrational thinking. That is pure nonsense. Can you not see that even Trump voters voted for him based on his policies, e.g., his policy, regardless of how impossible to do, was bringing back manufacturing and coal mining jobs. That was a policy, regardless of how stupid it was, or that it was a blatant lie. His policy was to deport “illegals” who he called murderers and rapists, so the racist xenophobes voted for him. Millennials, the “Entitlement Generation,” voted for Sanders because he of his policy to give them FREE stuff, stuff they are entitled to just because they are.
      BTW, anyone offended by Clinton calling the racists racists (Deplorable), would never vote for her anyway. Try to find another lame excuse for your continued lying. And no, “all” those Trump voters did not think he was a sociopath.

      Calling Hillary a dinged up car shows how little regard you have for Democrats and women. Why are you even on this website? Trolling? Getting paid for it?

    • RoughRugger

      “Either the Democratic Party is going to learn to appeal to a wider audience or it’s going to die.”

      You mean wider than the majority of votes that the party’s candidate garnered? More than the three largest vote totals for a presidential candidate in US history? Wider than the majorities of every significant voting demographic OTHER than old white xtians?

      Look, you can deflect and spin and fault-find all you want, but the bottom line is that by every objective, rational measure, HRC destroyed Twitler & won the election, just like she destroyed her primary opponent. Only a non-democratic quirk of the American electoral system put the walking Cheeto in the Oval Office. Further, the ~3% of voters that switched in the last 11 days due to a letter from the FBI that violated every established norm of that agency HADN’T had flipped, we’d be using the phrase “Madam President” daily.

      Oh, and lesbihonest: Bernie’s post-convention “campaigning” was about as weak & unenthusiastic as it could’ve possibly been. He spent as much time obliquely running her & the DNC down as he did supporting her.

      • AnAmazingName

        I haven’t seen anything as weak as Bernie’s post-loss campaigning since I had to write class assessments at the end of the semester

        “Professor was adequate. Material was appropriate. Books were too expensive.”

    • sgt. jmk of the résistance

      OMFG

      “After HRC won the primary, Bernie Sanders went out and campaigned for HRC, it was a noble gesture on his part.”

      Yes. So noble. Because that’s not at all what primary rivals do when they lose…they never hit the campaign trail for their primary rivals. I mean, Hillz never did that for Bamz…Dean never did that for Kerry. And they certainly didn’t manage to do it enthusiastically, without attacking the party whose nomination they didn’t win or weakening the candidate who beat them, and without sour looks on their faces and obvious distaste.

      “Noble”? You’re so right. It WAS noble and not at all the bare fucking minimum.

      “Either the Democratic Party is going to learn to appeal to a wider audience or it’s going to die.”

      You’re so right. It’s not like they consistently appeal to more voters. It’s not like they did so again in 2016. It’s just not a wide-enough audience. It’s not anything else.

      “They’re going to have to stop taking Big Money.”

      Oh you’re so right. It’s not like you’re ignoring that the Democratic party and pretty much everyone in it consistently opposes the kind of “purchase one election, get one free” crap the GOP loves and supports campaign finance reform, so they’re not altogether super-happy about “Big Money” in politics, but take the position that while your opponent is still taking “Big Money,” it’s political suicide not to do so yourself. Let’s blame them for “Big Money” because that seems reasonable, yup yup.

      “And they’re going to have to get out of the No Man’s Land of centrism where both sides are firing at them.”

      Exactly. So firing. Much centrist. It’s not at all that Berners fired at HRC for her positions even when those positions were nearly indistinguishable from those of their darling Bernie. It’s not like Bernie and his folks had a huge influence over the making of the platform, or that it was the most lefty Democratic platform ever and they’re still not fucking satisfied. This complaint doesn’t at all merit a hollow laugh like ha ha ha.

      “If HRC had a flaw, it was her belief that people vote on the basis of rational thought. Politics aren’t rational….All those Trump voters, they knew he was a sociopathic creep and they voted for him anyway because they’re angry and frightened and alienated from government.”

      Gee… too bad someone in the Clinton campaign didn’t say anything about that. Too bad someone didn’t just say something about how a lot of Trump voters are “people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they’re just desperate for change. It doesn’t really even matter where it comes from. They don’t buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won’t wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they’re in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.” Shame they missed the opportunity to make that point, right?

      “And HRC still does not get this. She thought attacking Trump (and Sanders) would win the election for her. All it did was solidify her enemies’ opinions.”

      Yeah, too bad that all she did was “attack” Sanders and Trump… too bad she called Sanders unqualified and a cheater and a corporate shill through the whole primary campaign when things didn’t go her way and encouraged her supporters to do the same. Too bad she didn’t have a whole website with page after page after page of policy positions and plans and proposed programs in granular detail. Too bad she didn’t talk about those plans and ideas and an agenda for change to the point that the media and Berners called her boring and uninspiring and too wonkish and “over-prepared” until they started berating her for not having any plans at all.

      “The next candidate the Democrats run had better not start waving a sheaf of policy papers around…”

      Yeah, because you didn’t just slag her off for only attacking her opponents and not having policies at all.

      “..and calling the GOP voters a bunch of racist dummies, even if they are. Especially if they are.”

      Yeah, too bad she did that. Too bad she didn’t confine her deplorables comment to be only about the alt-right, because then I could be sure they weren’t taken out of context and dishonestly applied to all GOP voters by biased asshats who couldn’t take the time to read her remarks themselves.

      “They need to give people hope. Some black dude from Illinois by way of Hawaii ran on that slogan and won. Twice. And some guy from Arkansas, her husband in point of fact. Also twice.”

      Yeah, too bad she didn’t inspire anyone but the millions of people she did inspire who are consistently denigrated by people whose knee-jerk dislike of her drips from their every word.

      Yeah. Too. Bad.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        XLNT

  • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

    I’ve gotten What Happened on my Amazon fire in book and audiobook. It’s been sweet hearing Hillary’s voice, and I’m going to enjoy hearing her tell her story. Just hearing her read the intro made me empathetic towards the abuse she has endured. Nevertheless, she continues to persist, and I admire her for it.

  • Keith Taylor

    Oh, Sauron on his dark throne in the dark land of Mordor where the shadows lie …
    I’m convinced that if the Voting Rights Act had not had its Achilles tendons severed and shoulders broken in 2013 — by conservatives in the Supreme Court — Hillary Clinton would have won.
    I’m convinced that if Kris Kobach’s wholly spurious in concept, and grotesquely flawed in execution, Interstate Crosscheck System, had been rejected by every state to which he offered that horror (as it should have been) Hillary Clinton would have won again.
    I’m convinced that if all the other time-dishonoured voter suppression tricks like disenfranchising felons who were not actually felons that the Republican party has used for so long, had been checked and disallowed, Hillary Clinton most likely would have won yet again.
    And that’s before I even consider the Russian hacking of the electoral computer systems of both parties, and the apparent conspiracy by the GOP with Vladimir Putin’s boys in the Kremlin to rig the election, if the above dirty tricks proved insufficient. As things turned out it looks as though they proved quite sufficient. Putin didn’t actually have to do a thing, GOP chicanery proving enough to steal the election, but it does appear very strongly that three-quarters of the Trump team were up to their elbows in conspiracy with him, just in case.
    Except that I’ve just discovered on YouTube that I’m completely off track with all of this, because the Holocaust also never happened, and NASA is satanically conspiring with little grey extraterrestrials who are not really extraterrestrials but devils from hell.

    • RoughRugger

      Don’t forget that if James Comey had followed every established custom, norm, tradition, & policy of the DoJ & FBI & kept his damn mouth shut about a candidate ELEVEN DAYS BEFORE AN ELECTION, Hillary Clinton would’ve won.

      • Diane

        Most probably. In spite of Russian influence, if BernieBots had voted for her, the numbers would have carried her over he line.

        • RoughRugger

          Exactly…if the Berners had voted for her, if Comey hadn’t written his letter, if Russia hadn’t interfered, if the press had covered Trump with the same vitriol they applied to her, if dumbass “purity progressives” hadn’t fallen for 25 years of GOP smears, if, if, if. Any one of a dozen things not happening or happening differently, and we’d be saying “Madam President”

      • Keith Taylor

        Yes. That one too. I forgot about it. I’m not completely sure Comey’s keeping his damn mouth shut would’ve sa