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When in doubt, trust the folks in the scrubs over the ones with badges

We have several updates on the July 26 incident in which a Salt Lake City police detective manhandled and arrested a nurse for calmly explaining to him that she couldn’t allow him to draw blood from an unconscious patient because of hospital rules and the patient’s stupid old Constitutional rights as codified by the stupid old US Supreme Court.

First off, the cop, Jeff Payne, has been (belatedly!) placed on administrative leave by the SLC police department, along with another officer who hasn’t been identified. The incident is being investigated internally by the police, and Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill said Friday he’ll seek a criminal investigation as well. The nurse, Alex Wubbels of SLC’s University Hospital, has received apologies from Salt Lake City Mayor Jackie Biskupski and SLC Police Chief Mike Brown.

At a news conference Friday, Brown said the appropriate things for a police chief whose cop has suddenly become a huge embarrassment — but who before the video was released last week had only been suspended from the department’s blood-draw program:

“I am sad at the rift this has caused between law enforcement and the nurses we work so closely with,” Brown said. ”I want to be clear, we take this very seriously.”

“What I saw is completely unacceptable to the values of my administration and of the values of the Salt Lake City Police Department,” added Biskupski. “I extend a personal apology to Ms. Wubbels for what she has been through for simply doing her job.”

The mayor said she had not seen the video before it was released in a press conference by Wubbels’s attorney Thursday; the police chief also claimed that was the first time he’d seen the full video. Surrrre it was, “Mike Brown,” if that’s even your real name. Let’s see some ID, buddy.

In the July 26 incident, Payne lost his shit after Wubbels told him that he could not have blood drawn from an unconscious patient, William Gray, who’d been badly burned after a pickup smashed head-on into the semi truck Gray was driving. Gray was not a suspect in the accident. The pickup’s driver, who died in the crash, had been the subject of a high-speed chase by Utah Highway Patrol, and had swerved across the centerline directly into Gray’s semi. Gray is a reserve officer with the Rigby, Idaho, police department, which didn’t have much good to say for Detective Payne:

The Rigby PD also thanked Alex Wubbels and University Hospital for “standing firm, and protecting Officer Gray’s rights as a patient and victim. Protecting the rights of others is truly a heroic act.”

SLC Police spokesperson Christina Judd also clarified a misperception about the encounter in the burn unit of the hospital: While many assumed from the video and reporting (as we did) that Payne was demanding that Wubbels draw blood from Gray, he was instead demanding that Wubbels tell him which room Gray was in, so Payne, who is trained to draw blood in investigations, could draw the blood himself. The Logan, Utah, office of the Highway Patrol had asked Payne to perform the blood draw, which is common in fatal accidents. Judd also said that after the incident at the hospital, the police department updated its own guidelines for blood draws by officers to make clear they can only be done with a warrant or with patient consent.

Another officer, who was sent to the hospital to help Payne,

wrote in his report that he asked Payne “why he didn’t look into drafting a search warrant for the patient’s blood. Payne told me Logan Police Department said they didn’t have enough probable cause to do so.”

While just about everyone has condemned Payne’s actions, Tucker Carlson’s Cops Are Always Right Blog won the Jerkass Lottery for first rightwing source to insist Ms. Wubbels was wrong, wrong, wrong:

That’s the Daily Caller going where not even Glenn Beck’s The Blaze would (The Blaze’s hed: “Utah officer who brutally arrested nurse for complying with law just got a huge reality check.”) The Daily Caller editorial sneeringly explained that everybody was lying about the law governing blood draws by saying they require a warrant or consent, because the hospital’s policy on blood draws “doesn’t have the force of law” and besides, the Supreme Court has said that blood can be drawn without a warrant

if exigent circumstances justify an urgent search and seizure of evidence. The imminent loss of blood evidence, which would be useful in a drunk-driving case, qualifies as a potentially exigent circumstance.

Small problem there: This wasn’t an investigation of whether Gray had been driving drunk. He was the victim, not the suspect. And Payne didn’t claim he could draw the blood under the “exigent circumstances” exception — he was insisting that the blood draw would be allowed under “implied consent,” which is no longer a thing under the law — and that’s one of the policy updates the SLC Police has put in place, because their instructions to officers were a decade out of date. In short, do not take legal advice from The Daily Caller.

In any case, this isn’t going to happen again, at least not at University Hospital in Salt Lake City. The Washington Post reports that after the incident in July, the hospital revised its policies on where law enforcement officers will be allowed to roam. If they want to draw blood or see a patient, they’ll now have to talk to “house supervisors” instead of nurses or doctors, and will no longer be allowed to stroll into patient-care areas like the burn unit, where Wubbels was the charge nurse when Detective Payne took his name a bit too literally.

Gordon Crabtree, University Hospital’s interim chief executive, said he was “deeply troubled” by how Payne treated Wubbels, and added

“This will not happen again,” Crabtree said, praising Wubbels for “putting her own safety at risk” to “protect the rights of patients.”

You know, unless cops somewhere else get their legal guidance from rightwing blogs.

[Salt Lake Tribune / Salt Lake Tribune / WaPo / Daily Caller]

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  • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste
    • Joe Beese

      The worst thing about this – aside from the threat to my mother, of course (she’s a little old lady, for God’s sake! 90 pounds soaking wet!) – is its heralding of the imminent time when Category 4 and 5 hurricanes don’t frighten people into evacuation as much because they’re simply too common.

    • elviouslyqueer

      Fuck.

    • Gee, Your Hair Smells Horrific

      Is it headed straight for Mar-a-Lago? Could be some sort of sign . . .

      • Daniel

        Almost certainly the fault of gay people.

      • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

        Sadly, no.

        But we might not hear from BadKitty for awhile.

      • P’jama Pahnts

        Think of all the sweet FEMA cash he’ll be collecting

      • ManchuCandidate

        It’s on the shore line.

    • goonemeritus

      So do we blame lesbians or abortionist for Irma?

      • Martini Ambassador 🍸

        The gays. Always go with the gays. They have some sort of hurricane hotline or something.

      • Three Finger Salute

        LGBT abortionists who came here from Mexico as children and converted to Islam.

        • SterWonk

          BINGO!!!

      • eggs ackly-wright

        The free market will sort it all out, and the blessings will trickle down.

  • Wubbells wobbles but she never falls down.

  • Joe Beese
    • Calli Arcale

      Sessions really is impressive in a lot of ways. I wouldn’t want to play poker with him — he’s really able to *believe* what he says every time he says it, even when it contradicts what he said before, even when it means saying, with absolutely sincerity, that the guy who just insulted him and threatened his job is the best person in the world to work for.

      He terrifies me, but sometimes I just gotta stand in awe. Not many people are able to bald-faced lie like that.

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        A political creature by nature I suspect. Otherwise known as a sadistic sociopath.

  • There is no abuse of power or fascist action that a uniformed officer could take that wouldn’t be supported by Tucker Carlson and his mob of inbred jackasses.

    • Professor Fate

      Except if it happened to Tucker Carlson. They there would a bit of a fuss.

      • Daniel

        It wouldn’t happen to Tucker Carlson, that’s how he knows the system works.

        • Professor Fate

          One does live in hope.

    • TJ Barke

      Bootlickers gonna lick boots.

    • goonemeritus

      Well maybe not ATF uniformed officers.

    • disqus_lWwzrwNaw6

      Tucker’s mother left him when he was just six years old and went to live in France, presumably because it was on the other side of a large, deep ocean from Tucker and his equally odious brother Buckley. He never saw her again. Tucker is what happens when rich boys who are heirs to large fortunes have crippling mother issues. They turn into nasty little Nazi flamethrowers, a sort of combination of Julius Streicher and Peck’s Bad Boy.

      • Fun with Cthulhu

        Tuck and Buck, good thing she didn’t have another child.

        • Querolous

          That would suck.

          • Opalescent Riddles

            something something, cuck.

    • ahughes798

      Actually, most of Fucker Carlson’s fan bois supported the nurse. Which I was amazed me.

  • bookish
    • Daniel

      His twitter has a fair number of people lambasting him for the decision to go “secular” and “Democrat”. That’s right- objecting to racism publicly is now something only the left does.

      • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

        As it happens, I’m basting a lamb for dinner tonight.

        • CovfefeOfTheThoughtlessMind

          I see what you did there.

        • eggs ackly-wright

          Don’t baste it too hard. You’ll go blind.

      • jesterpunk

        Someone wrote a thing recently saying Republicans had to be against climate change because Democrats where for it. I think racism fits into the same thing.

        • Daniel

          David Brooks.

          Yep.

          • Beanz&Berryz

            If Democrats hadn’t co-opted and politicized climate change the Republicans could have accepted the science of it…

          • Daniel

            Like they accept the science of everything else.

          • kareemachan

            Maybe. But I’m thinking they are dumbfucks enough to soldier through regardless….

          • Beanz&Berryz

            A mind is a terrible thing to use…

          • Covfefe

            Same same the evolutionists.

          • Button

            Not sure if sarcasm or genuinely that stupid.

          • Baby_Raptor

            I would never let a Mexican in my home or near my family. It’s just not worth the risk.

          • Button

            Reported for impersonation.

          • Baby_Raptor

            Good work. We need to stick together.

          • L E

            I need to urinate. Open your mouth.

          • doktorzoom

            You and Button are both being idiots in a 20-day-old thread, and I am closing this thread to further comments.

            — Dok Zoom, Yr Friendly Neighborhood Comments Moderator

          • doktorzoom

            You and “LE” are both being idiots in a 20-day-old thread, and I am closing this thread to further comments.

            — Dok Zoom, Yr Friendly Neighborhood Comments Moderator

        • Persistent Tennessee Rain

          I guess it’s a good thing for them that we haven’t come out in favor of breathing.

          • jesterpunk

            I really think we should do that.

      • Beanz&Berryz

        Sadly, that seems to be the case…

      • Celtic_Gnome

        That’s about right. Democrats condemn racism while Republicans express concern about it.

  • ariel_gee_398

    While we’re at it, maybe we should rethink training cops to draw blood to collect evidence? Because I definitely cannot envision a police officer taking such an opportunity to inflict pain on a suspect/patient while rooting around trying to find a vein.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Butt we gotta protect roadside cavity searches because terrorisms…

      • ariel_gee_398

        Probably why some cops like Trump so much – both like to sexually assault people without facing any repercussions for their actions…

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      The idea horrifies me. I wouldn’t trust a cop to do that ever. That’s another bit of awfulness I bet people didn’t know was a thing- in addition to roadside cavity searches, drawing blood by the side of the road.

  • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

    exigent circumstances

    Y’all can do whatever the fuck you want, when you want, to anyone you want.

    • kareemachan

      Fuck. That is all.

  • pgjack

    Don’t worry about the bad cop, he’ll just go down the road a piece and get hired by another police dept. Maybe he’ll go to Texas, they don’t care about victim’s rights.

    • Three Finger Salute

      He’ll get promoted to ICE and be in charge of the Child Deportation Services.

    • Querolous

      New Milwaukee County Sheriff?

  • ManchuCandidate

    Hopefully Detective Payne and the rest of the cops are never wrong crowd remember who makes sure the needles are sharp and catheters come out smoothly. I am sure that nurses are complete professionals who won’t retaliate but they are human and have long memories.

    Don’t be a dick to a nurse.

    • TJ Barke

      Just like you don’t wanna fuck with people that handle your food.

      • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

        Or librarians.

        • P’jama Pahnts

          1. why not?
          2. How does one fuck with a librarian?

          I can’t get this out of my head

          • Daniel

            1. ook
            2. ook ook!

          • Arolpin

            1. Because they are surrounded by books (including books about how to hide bodies) and they like to read.
            2. Meet, librarian, wine-dine said librarian, clear books off of every horizontal surface to provide a place to do so, proceed to fuck with your librarian, cuddle, wait an appreciable length of time before excusing yourself and going home. (Ensure that all overdue fines are taken care of BEFORE attempting the above for best results.)

          • P’jama Pahnts

            Ahh, ok thanks.

          • BadKitty904
        • Three Finger Salute

          America still has libraries?

  • OrG

    Heckuva job, Brownie.

  • CaliCheeseSucks

    he asked Payne “why he didn’t look into drafting a search warrant for the patient’s blood. Payne told me Logan Police Department said they didn’t have enough probable cause to do so.”

    I’m trying to wrap my head around the logic of this dickface. Not enough probable cause for a warrant? Well, I’ll just try to seize evidence illegally. That’ll hold up in court!

    Is there a minimum IQ for becoming a cop?

    • Bobathonic

      No, but there is a maximum.

    • jesterpunk
      • Lance Thrustwell

        That is really interesting.

        • SterWonk

          You have an interesting way of spelling “mind-bendingly crazy”.

    • If they can document that Payne acknowledged the lack of probable cause before escalating to attempt to force his way, then that should be not only firing but also criminal charges.

      Will it? One can hope.

    • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste
    • kareemachan

      Police departments honestly don’t look for intelligent people. Google it.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Unless they’re the new militarized brown shirts “looking for intelligent people” like their forebears in the 1930s. “Just following orders” from the chief of chiefs, who hates people who are smarter than he is.

        • Daniel

          Which is why Trump has no friends.

          • Three Finger Salute

            Except in his delusional fantasy of Trudeau being his “new found friend”. That guy despises Trump, and is much smarter, kinder, and better-looking. Trudeau just won’t say so verbatim, because “Canadian politeness,” NAFTA, MOABs, and Putin getting Alaska back so he can roll tanks into B.C.

          • FlownΩver

            Deputy Don?

    • Persistent Demme

      There used to be.
      I come from a family of police officers, (I wasn’t even allowed to say “cop” when I was growing up, because it had negative overtones), and they would be appalled if they saw this.

    • Iam Reading

      0.7

    • Major_Major_Major

      Half that to be a GOP congress critter, so, ummmm, no?

  • BreakingDeadMen

    I’ve literally been waiting all morning for the takedown of this so-called ‘article.’ It’s a good job but, not gonna lie, I was hoping for more vitriol.

  • bookish

    Tensions surface between Mueller investigation and investigatory committees on Capitol Hill.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/05/politics/russia-mueller-hill/

    • FlownΩver

      Also too, intercourse CNN’s autoplay.

  • Anna Rompage

    Well, at least the Daily Caller is consistent when someone is wrongfully arrested & assaulted by a cop, regardless if they are black or white….

    • grindstone

      I see it as a step toward equality. For everyone except cops, of course.

  • goonemeritus

    Pompeii – “Had it coming”

    Daily Caller.

    • Cat Cafe of the Resignation

      Mufasa — should never have let Scar push him into the stampede. Totally deserved it

  • Daniel

    I think the logic of the article writer, and that whole “cops are always right” group, when they say things like that exigent circumstances bit is not that “this is the correct part of the law dealing with this thing and that’s why it was OK”. It’s “the cop could find another reason to mask his action behind, and that means he’d still have drawn the blood- the means would be found to get to the end so just accept that when he used the wrong one the best that could have happened is the whole thing would just be delayed a little”.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    The home office really needs to revoke Psi Beta Caller’s charter.

  • MynameisBlarney
    • Beanz&Berryz

      “Fuck those guys”

    • Serai 1

      There you go. Now they’ve lost the ability to go in there at all. Great work, boys!

  • Baconzgood

    I’m sure this is a case of “WELL I’M GONNA ARREST SOMEBODY-ANYBODY-RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!!!”

    Sort like when you see a shark during a feeding frenzy on the nature chanel.

    • Cat Cafe of the Resignation

      It’s more a case of “SOME BITCH IS TRYING TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO! I’M GOING TO FUCKING SHOW HER WHO’S BOSS”

      • Celtic_Gnome

        There does seem to be that moment in police interactions gone wrong when the officer perceives that he is not getting the sufficient amount of respect he knows he deserves, and everything goes downhill from there, and there’s nothing anyone can do to fix the situation.

        • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

          And it’s a teeny bit more specific: a white officer believes he’s not getting respect from some uppity WOMAN or NI[CLANG] and it was ALWAYS going to go downhill because he’s been itching to beat them up, it’s why he became a police officer.

  • Rebel Scum with permit

    So also, no more swaggering around, annoying the nurses with war stories, and hoping to get lucky, either.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    So, what’s it gonna be, boys? “Bitch set me up” or “Bitch had it coming”?

    • jesterpunk

      Yes

    • Three Finger Salute

      “She was asking for it”

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    I dunno, I’d say Daily Caller has the dumbest writers on the planet, but we haven’t heard from Chuckles Johnson or any of the Palin (mother or daughter) blogs, have we?

  • bookish

    Because he’s a flailing, ignorant, vindictive asshole?

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/why-does-trump-always-shoot-the-hostages?utm_term=.cxM5dKdq4o#.jhNnJ0JAzr

    President Trump, cornered, weakened, and apparently unable to get his hands on the usual levers of presidential powers, has adopted pretty much the worst possible strategy for someone trying to wield the power of the most powerful job in the world: He’s shooting the hostages.

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      I’m not even sure he understands they are hostages. For all his claims of expertise, the mans a bad negotiator.

      • SterWonk

        This is the thing I think people don’t understand — multi-million-dollar deals are not handled like haggling over a used car. Trump himself has probably never personally negotiated anything of substance – that’s what his lawyers are for.

        Also, business deals usually involve only two, or maybe three, parties. To get anything through Congress — even on a party-line basis — requires negotiating with dozens of Senators and hundreds of Representatives. And then there’s the issue of international negotiations, which can involve many countries, and many groups within those countries.

        There’s nothing in Trump’s history which suggests he has even the slightest record of anything like that. <facepalm>

        • Calli Arcale

          Another thing I saw pointed out about Trump’s negotiation experience — even if you forget that he’s got an abysmal business record and usually has other people doing the actual negotiations, what experience he *does* have comes entirely from real estate. And real estate has a very specific condition — both parties already are motivated to close the deal, so it’s really just haggling over price.

          In politics, there is no such luxury. You don’t just have to negotiate price; you have to actually convince people they want something from you in the first place, and in most of these situations, they have absolutely no motivation whatsoever to come to any kind of an agreement at all. They can happily laugh in your face. They don’t care. If someone doesn’t want to buy your condo because it’s infested with alligators and bedbugs and they hate Florida, telling them they can have free golf access isn’t going to help. And yet that’s what he’s trying to do, because it’s literally all he knows.

          So Trump was essentially promising to use his great experience selling real estate to people who wanted to buy it to get Mexico to spend billions on a wall they absolutely don’t want. And he’s surprised they basically haven’t ever stopped laughing at him.

          • SterWonk

            YES!!! Leaving aside everything else, trading (real estate, stock, etc) bears little resemblance to most businesses.

      • Celtic_Gnome

        His very predictable negotiating strategy seems to be try to bully the other side into accepting a deal that’s good for him and bad for them, and, when they rebuff that (if they’re in a position to rebuff him), he switches to schmoozing.

        • Rebel Scum with permit

          Or whining

  • elviouslyqueer

    Your Daily Caller columnist, y’all. And apologies on the front end for y’all’s inability to get the stench of douche out of your computers.

    http://www.gerardfoxlaw.com/our-attorneys/gregg-re-esq/

  • Hanaka

    Regardless who the patient is, I hope Payne never has the opportunity to do a blood draw himself from anyone ever. I’m not so sure officers should be in a position to draw blood from suspects….especially when they’re now being directed by our president to be not so nice to suspects in their custody.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Yup. And it’s not just the blood drawing itself that’s a problem, but what they might do with it afterward – e.g. how some blood samples might get conveniently mixed up.

    • Three Finger Salute

      You can’t make this up. The cop’s name is Payne, and he’s about as delightful as a blood draw.

      I’m convinced that the universe is just mocking us now.

      • Serai 1

        The universe is always mocking us. We just don’t notice most of the time.

    • Serai 1

      Yeah, what the fuck is up with having cops do the work of medical professionals?

      • Three Finger Salute

        They let prison guards administer lethal injections, why wouldn’t they let cops do blood draws? That whole “First do no harm” thing is a nuisance that gets in the way of morale-improving beatings.

      • Calli Arcale

        Actually, it kind of makes sense. First off, he is actually a medical professional as well — he’s a paramedic, apparently. I imagine they go for officers who already have some degree of medical licensure to work with. Second, by having an officer collect the blood, they can (theoretically, if they’re not incompetent, which may be a bit of a stretch these days) guarantee a chain of custody for the specimen. That could be important in court.

        That’s the reasoning behind it, anyway. In practice, of course, it’s just because it makes their job easier if they don’t have to get a third party to do it or ask permission or pesky stuff like that.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    You have to give ’em points for consistency.

  • Joe Beese
    • Ricky Gay

      Is he going to try to sell her pee?!

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Fresh made!

      • puredog

        That girl will go far in the Trump administration.

    • QHarp, Mujer malévola

      He got lucky this time, but he really should keep a 4 or 5 day supply of small children on hand like the NWS recommends. At least during hurricane season.

      • Arolpin

        And remember, children are only about 80% water, so always keep 125% of what you need on hand!

    • Eileen Besse

      I was there with her. Good thing we’re already stocked up and I’m just doing my nervous excess everything….

  • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

    Did not previously know that the dead guy who caused the accident was fleeing police in a high speed chase which makes the whole ordeal the fault of the cops. Why do they do that? It’s not like they’ll never be able to find the guy again.

    • Old town Urbandale

      Just another part of the “Respect my authoritah!” mindset that so many seem to have.

      • It also plays into their “Lethal Weapon” fantasies. Grey was just a ‘non-player character’ in the video game they were playing.

      • Three Finger Salute

        They’re still high on the ratings bonanza that was the O.J. chase.

  • bookish

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-donald-trump-kompromat-nikita-isaev-new-russia-movement-state-tv-us-president-a7929966.html

    A Russian politician has threatened to “hit Donald Trump with our Kompromat” on state TV.

    Speaking on Russia-24, Nikita Isaev, leader of the far-right New Russia Movement, said the compromising material should be released in retaliation over the closure of several Russian diplomatic compounds across the US.

    When asked whether Russia has such material, Mr Isaev, who is also director of the Russian Institute of Contemporary Economics, replied: “Of course we have it!”

    • jesterpunk
      • BreakingDeadMen

        Be careful, when you see the tape all that popcorn is coming back out.

        • jesterpunk

          I am not watching the pee hooker tape, someone else can take the golden bullet for the team and write about the highlights from the tape.

          • BreakingDeadMen

            I’m waiting for the re-mix versions

          • Celtic_Gnome

            Well, I was promised a sitting president’s penis in a video in my lifetime.

    • OutOfOrbit

      Oh yeah? Well show us sumpin if you’re not afraid.

      • Arolpin

        Ohhh, the bid scary Russian Bear! Pshaw! More like a little bitty teddy bear, that couldn’t scare Lithuania if they tried, maybe Melania would be scared, but not big brave Donnie. Come on Russia, I don’t think you have to balls, bunch of pussies in fur hats drinking wood alcohol. Pussies.

        • Steve Cole

          Snark of the day nominee

    • Raan

      Do it if you’re not a punk bitch.

      • Daniel

        He’s from the nation of Pussy Riot. Punk bitches from Russia are brave as fuck.

        • Raan

          I was thinking in the sense of questioning right wingers’ masculinity to make them do stupid shit, but yeah, point taken.

    • P’jama Pahnts

      Think it’ll flip anyone that hasn’t yet flipped?

      • Raan

        Maybe some senators.

  • jesuswasablack
    • Three Finger Salute

      Redundanception?

    • Skeptical_thinker

      My life long motto: Nothing succeeds like excess.

  • Jgb979

    I can only imagine how the same scenario would play out if the nurse was a person of color….

    (I. E. She’d still be in jail today while asshole cop would be a permanent Fox News paneler)

  • DainBramage

    I think the SLC police were hoping to find that the victim had alcohol or something else in his system so they could undermine him if he sues them for the accident resulting from the high speed chase.

    • BreakingDeadMen

      Lucky for them he died.

      • Beanz&Berryz

        I think DB was saying the cops wanted leverage on the victim, not the dead car chase guy…

        • BreakingDeadMen

          The victim didn’t die? I misunderstood. Good.

          • Arolpin

            Not only did the victim not die, he had the audacity to turn out to be a reserve police officer too, so they are conflicted. Normally cops can do no wrong, but in this case, that would mean that the SLC police force did something wrong, and since cops can do no wrong, the victim isn’t really a cop, and it’s his fault, so we have to draw blood to prove that he was drunk/drugged/brown/NOT-A-COP.

        • DainBramage

          Yep, thanks.

    • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

      Or, knowing the patient was a part-time cop, they wanted to be able to prove he wasn’t under the influence in case the family of the dead guy tried to shit blame to him.

  • Three Finger Salute

    That’s Fucker’s personal blog. I’d like to stick vote needles in his arm.

    • BreakingDeadMen

      Arm, eye, what’s the difference?

  • proudgrampa

    My Federal LEO son tried to defend this fuckery.

    NO FUCKING WAY! This gestapo of law enforcement has got to END. Totally indefensible, and the clowns who perpetrated this outrage should LOSE THEIR FUCKING JOBS.

    All LEOs need to take refresher courses in constitutional law.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      LEO son defending the ragey Utah cop!? Oh my… On what legal/Consitutional grounds? Or just “badge and gun” authoritay?

      • proudgrampa

        “He was under orders from his supervisor.”

        I know. Thought I raised him better.

        • Anna Rompage

          So if his “supervisor” told him to jump off the highest bridge in the world, would he do that too?

        • Raan

          Because that line worked so well at Neuremberg.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          That defense died in Nürnberg 70 years ago.

        • Arolpin

          In the military they actually explained the difference between a lawful order and an unlawful order, and how to deal with an unlawful order. If they can drill that into 18-year-old recruits in boot camp, they can certainly include the lesson in the police academy.

        • Bobathonic
        • Beanz&Berryz

          Damn.. I bet you did… Maybe he’s forgotten Nuremberg…

          PS He needs to change the crowd he hangs out with…

        • Not your fault pg, he’s obviously picked up a power trip in the line of duty.

      • Anna Rompage
    • ariel_gee_398

      Refresher course implies they were (meaningfully) trained in it in the first place…

    • Anna Rompage

      Sorry your son doesn’t understand the 4th fucking amendment, and that probable cause and a search warrant is required…

    • Wild Cat

      Does your LEO son understand:

      D-I-S-I-N-H-E-R-I-T-E-N-C-E?

    • Three Finger Salute

      The old Constitution or the new one?

      “Amendment I: Herr Magafuhrer is the Lord Thy God, and Congress shall make no laws dishonoring Him.”

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Our LEOs seem to be, on average, of less than average intelligence.

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      There’s a mindset that works this way:
      LEO’s exist to protect the sheep from the wolves, and often risk their lives in doing so;
      The sheep shouldn’t mind giving up their rights in order to help LEO’s better do their jobs;
      If the sheep aren’t doing anything illegal, they shouldn’t mind anyway.

      That’s how a family loses their car if one member is arrested for a crime, or loses their home or their life savings if one member is arrested for a crime. Because according to this mindset, if you are protecting the innocent, then everything is justified.
      I’ve seen LEOs want to pass draconian ordinances, and when someone objects, the response is “Why would you want to make our job harder?”

      • Calli Arcale

        “I’ve seen LEOs want to pass draconian ordinances, and when someone
        objects, the response is “Why would you want to make our job harder?””

        Oddly, the same people aren’t so understanding when LEOs want to be nice to illegal immigrant informants, because it makes their job of catching dangerous criminals a hell of a lot easier.

    • C4TWOMAN

      I want to believe he didn’t have all the facts yet….

      There are people who have a knee-jerk reaction of defending “authority” because the the situation makes them feel uncomfortable. THEN, when the do have the facts, they feel embarrassed they’re wrong, and try to justify their first reaction as still “right”, somehow….

  • Joe Beese

    Not where I’d want to ride out 180 mph winds.

    https://twitter.com/toweringCU/status/905093158731747328

    • BadKitty904

      …POTENTIALLY CATASTROPHIC CATEGORY 5 HURRICANE IRMA HEADING TOWARD THE LEEWARD ISLANDS…

      • grindstone

        Dammit, it’s right in the name: LEEWARD….shouldn’t be high winds there!

        • BadKitty904

          <– trying to remember if I've ever heard the NHC use the word "catastrophic" in one of their communiques…

          • grindstone

            Not sure, but this is bad, kitty.

          • BadKitty904

            Very. The poor islanders will have what very little they possess erased. If this thing strikes the Keys at Cat. 5, there will be nothing left.

    • Wolf Tracker

      Even modern up to date buildings will have their windows blown out and roofs removed in those winds.

      The navy and marines to be evacuating those people in the direct path now not rescuing the survivors later.

    • Those homes will not be there after :-(

      I hope everyone manages to get out.

      Good luck island people.

    • Arolpin

      Those look like actually might have a chance of surviving a hurricane, cinder block, 1 story, tin roof. Basically, the glass will break, the roof will come off, but the structure should still be there and not terribly hard to fix. Oddly enough, people who live in hurricane zones generally learn what type of structures have the best chance of surviving a hurricane. (Unless they are real estate developers in the US, in which case they know that either the feds help pay to repair the damage or the insurance companies or the homeowner is fucked, but at least the developer got paid.)

  • Scooby

    Gotta remember to a Republican giving someone healthcare is a crime by itself.

    • Three Finger Salute

      So much for aiding the poor and healing the sick.

      Fucking communist Syrian refugee longhaired feminist.

  • Wolf Tracker

    Good on the nurse but she shouldn’t have had to even deal with that shit and that is the job of Hospital Admin and their legal department.

    I think these Utah cops were afraid the Truck driver and his family would sue them for the high speed chase that caused the accident so they were looking to get some evidence on the truck driver because they went way beyond normal procedure to try and get that.

    • Ricky Gay

      That’s my takeaway as well

      • Wolf Tracker

        It is how cops think and I have worked with many cops. They are always looking to cover their own asses.

        • CindyinEncinitas

          Reminds me of the highway patrolman who arrested a firefighter for not moving his truck. Law enforcement falls in love with authority and gets downright carried away once in a while.

          • Calli Arcale

            After the light rail went in here in the Twin Cities, we had a couple of accidents where emergency responders (an ambulance on one occasion and a cop in another) got hit by a train because they were used to blowing through red lights when they have their sirens on. They forgot that trains ALWAYS have right of way, because physics.

            How they’ve managed to not get hit on any of the at-grade freight crossings, I’ve no idea. But thank god they learned their lesson with the slow, lightweight trains.

          • CindyinEncinitas

            I was talking to my dad next to his fire truck one day at the station and I noticed that there were stickers on the side of the truck made out of yellow reflecting tape. Many upside down dogs, a few pumpkins and several of the train guard arms that go across the road. He explained to me that these were things that truck had hit. Those guys. It’s a big part of where I get my sense of humor.

        • Ricky Gay

          They’re just like us! — But with a lot more resources.

      • WhoCheckedRussia’sVoterID

        Thats interesting. I have not heard that. God…I feel for that truck driver. I haven’t read how badly he has been burned, but it just isn’t fun. I hope he makes it through everything. Because everything is what he is going to have to make it through. High speed chases are so dangerous.

        My thoughts are with all those who were injured.

        • Ricky Gay

          Totally

    • Marla

      The officer if the not the department will probably be facing lawsuits by Nurse Wubbel herself, then the hospital she works for. Either way, the taxpayers of Utah will shell out for Officer Payne In The Ass machismo/small dick bullying.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Officer Payne in The Ass should be fired without pension for his actions.

        • Marla

          Yeah, like that in going to happen.

          • C4TWOMAN

            It could. After all the nurse is White.

          • Maybe they’ll put him on WiFi patrol…

            It’s actually illegal in SLC to leave your homes wifi unsecured, because they’re afraid Teenage Mormons will park outside your house and watch porn using your wifi.

          • Suttree

            That is somehow not surprising. Still WTF? though.

          • Arolpin

            How about if you name your AP ‘free porn-password is free porn’?

      • Calli Arcale

        At present, at least, she says she has no intention of suing. She’s being the better person — and is no doubt very much aware that it wouldn’t come back to hurt any of the individuals involved, since it would be paid by the taxpayers. That’s the trouble with suing police — the real culprits are insulated from any personal damages, and your own city suffers because it had to devote budget to paying you off. You end up worse off at the end.

    • And the cops wonder why everybody is terrified of them and none of the public trusts them.

      I hope that asshole loses his job at the very least.

      How can those who represent and uphold the law, not know the law?

      • Wolf Tracker

        Most cops know the law and the loopholes they can use to get around it and it is the public that needs to be better educated to laws. The nurse knew the law and that is what pissed off the cops.

        • Verily. Still, this is going to damage public trust even more, we’re still cranky about that asshat cop who shot that Australian woman dead for wearing pyjamas!

          Americas law enforcement needs to chill the fuck out.

        • BeachBum

          Totally agree. People should know the law at least in their line of work and get a lawyer when shit happens.

        • aureolaborealis

          Speaking of people knowing the law, Tom Segura talking about The First 48:

          https://youtu.be/0kM7aXofMC4?t=5m42s

      • Iron Monkey

        He knew the law, even said that he couldn’t get a warrant because he didn’t have probable cause to put before a judge.

    • Calli Arcale

      “because they went way beyond normal procedure to try and get that.”

      This really needs to be underlined. All the articles about this need to mention that the altercation we’ve all seen in the bodycam video was about an hour into the situation. He’d been arguing with the nurse for a good hour, and going back and forth with his own supervisor on the phone, who specifically advised arresting her if she continued to “obstruct”. So there is absolutely zero chance he was unaware he had no legal basis for this. He’d already exhausted that and was just going for sheer determination and pigheaded stubbornness to win the day. He’d just underestimated his opposition.

      The nurse deserves some kind of medal for intestinal fortitude and stamina, honestly. She can hang it up with her Olympic medals. ;-)

  • Wild Cat

    I wish we wouldn’t be so hard on our law-enforcement officials—who else will supply the drugs, bordellos, and gambling our nation so desperately depends on?

    • OrG

      CIA?

    • Ghandi?

    • C4TWOMAN

      Sicilians?

    • Résistance Land Shark Ω

      The current President?

    • chicken thief

      Hillary prolly knows. I mean since they likely hired her to do any hits they need.

  • DerrickWildcat

    It’s just rightwing shtick. Find an issue that, “Liberals” are upset about and then write a nutty article about how, “Liberals” are all wrong about it. Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not.

    • mardam422

      Remember what Conservatism is nowadays.

    • commatoes

      Careful you might trigger some snowflakes with the reality smackdown.

  • Marla

    “…the hospital revised its policies on where law enforcement officers will be allowed to roam. “

    Every hospital and walk in clinic in this country should have this policy.

    • MrTusks

      “Hi, got any ODs this evening? Need to hit my possession arrest quota for the week.”

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Daily Caller: Just another clone of World Nut Daily, Newsmax, or Breitbart. More shit served up on the ‘net.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Was DailyKos named as a counterpoint to Daily Caller?

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        Daily Kos was launched eight years before Tucker’s rag

        • Beanz&Berryz

          Thanks…

  • Les Appentis De la résistance

    The Daily Caller or Der Stürmer?

    • Mavenmaven

      Sie send dasselbe.

  • Nockular cavity

    I’m pretty sure the whole “ideology” of the right at this point is “they have it coming.”

    I’ll just reply with the words of Clint Eastwood’s gunslinger/preacher in Unforgiven: “We ALL have it coming.”

    • commatoes

      Got it in one.

  • Les Appentis De la résistance

    You brought ‘er, you Call ‘er.

  • You can’t expect cops to understand every law on the books…

    How would they even have time to shoot innocent, unarmed victims?
    https://media.giphy.com/media/81xwEHX23zhvy/giphy.gif

  • jesterpunk

    Remember the “We only kill black people” cop? He is retiring before they can fire him.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ga-tells-frightened-woman-kill-black-people-article-1.3457204

    • OrG

      Can he be fired anyway? Take any pension he has coming.

      • jesterpunk

        I don’t know, but it seems like they are just going to let him retire.

        • Lance Thrustwell

          I think that whole thing really interesting – exactly what the cop is guilty of, I find hard to articulate and/or pin down. How would you explain it? I’m curious. I’m not trolling, or defending the cop or anything like that.

          • jesterpunk

            It seems right now he is guilty of unprofessional behavior, its not a crime but it does make the department look bad.

      • Rebel Scum with permit

        Just about impossible. Even in California, they can only do that if you’re convicted of a felony related to your job duties, for example accepting a bribe if you’re a public official.

  • Joe Beese

    The director of the Puerto Rico’s power company predicted that storm damage could leave some areas without electricity for four to six months. But “some areas will have power (back) in less than a week,” Ricardo Ramos told radio station Notiuno 630 AM. The utility’s infrastructure has deteriorated greatly during a decade-long recession, and Puerto Ricans experienced an island wide outage last year.

    There’s a lot of dysfunction in Puerto Rico that goes into that, too, but the result will be the same. Four months or more of no electricity will create a humanitarian crisis that would far surpass what Texas can expect after Harvey, in depth but not in scope. Without power, there can be no rebuilding, no re-emergence of a rational economy, and most importantly, no refrigeration for perishable foods.

    https://hotair.com/archives/2017/09/05/worse-harvey-irma-now-category-5-headed-florida/

    • jesterpunk

      Don’t worry, I am sure Trump will send both thoughts and prayers.

    • Me not sure

      Puerto Rico has had trouble attracting new business since the end of US subsidies to businesses to relocate there because other neighboring islands have lower wages. As low as the US minimum wage is, it is higher than most Caribbean islands. “Opertain Bootstrap” was instituted by Democrats to attract business to to PR. The Republicans ended it resulting in a slow decline in the PR economy.

      • Permit-holder Ron

        Those Puerto Rican moochers should all go back where they came from.

        /s

  • Joshua Norton

    While just about everyone has condemned Payne’s actions, Tucker Carlson’s Cops Are Always Right Blog won the Jerkass Lottery for first rightwing source to insist Ms. Wubbels was wrong, wrong, wrong:

    I am shocked… SHOCKED, I tell you!
    #notevenremotely

  • Anna Rompage

    Good thing the nurse wasn’t a person of color… I could only imagine what would have happened then…

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Before or after her funeral?

  • Suttree

    How the fuck are the cops unaware of a rules change for blood draws that is a decade old? I assume that the buck stops at the police chief’s desk. There really needs to be a few people fired for this shit.

    • Anna Rompage

      The same goes for Texas & Louisiana still arresting gay men on sodomy charges, even though the SCOTUS overturned those laws back in 2003…

      • commatoes

        I wonder if it is like “traffic stop” probable cause for a search.

        PS IIRC, there are a few states that have laws against sodomy. So, I am sure the state penitentiaries are brimming with busted white suburban teenagers that got or gave a BJ in the back seat of a car. I wonder how they can still be on the books and be contrary to the SCOTUS.

    • BeachBum

      Its Utah. Its not that they’re unaware. They are above the law. I don’t know how much the LDS controls local police, but they do run the govt.

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    The sad part is- the only reason they were so intent on getting that blood draw was to hunt for ammunition for the likely upcoming lawsuit against the Utah Highway Patrol for their role in in the high speed pursuit.

  • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

    Strangely, in the Daily Caller comments the top comment calls out the author for being wrong. Almost as if this attempt at reason was too much for them, tho, they immediately returned to form by getting into an argument over fluoridation of the drinking water.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Seriously? Fluoridation?

      • It’s a commie plot to corrupt our precious bodily fluids!

        • Major_Major_Major

          I heeered it terns frogs queer

      • Résistance Land Shark Ω

        Or maybe the composition of chemtrails …

        • C4TWOMAN

          It’s Wifi Radiation!

      • BreakingDeadMen

        PURITY OF ESSENCE

      • Arolpin

        You question fluoridation? Obviously the NWO has gotten to you, and you like discolored teeth! (About the only logical argument against fluoride is that if your water supply already has a lot of fluoride in it, like some well water, then additional fluoride can cause yellow/brown discoloration on the teeth, and about 3.5% of the population uses water with enough natural fluoride for this to be a problem )

        • C4TWOMAN

          But, as I understand it, the concentrations of fluoride have to be off the charts. IOW not what’s in most water supplies.

          • Arolpin

            True, but I couldn’t find the exact percentage of the population that has a water supply with a very high level of naturally occurring fluoride. I know that a couple kids who I grew up with did not take fluoride when it was given as school, because they used well water that was VERY high in fluoride, to the point that they had to really work to not have their teeth discolored. (Yes, this was rural Idaho, but in both cases parents were well-educated and had science degrees, and you could see it in the teeth of the families who lived in that part of the valley, nice and strong and discolored.)

        • SDGeoff3

          He’s not questioning flouridation. You have missed the point of his comment.

          • Arolpin

            You have missed the point of my snark. I think I need to adjust the calibration on the Snark-O-Matic 5001.

          • SDGeoff3

            I have found that replacing the batteries is key. And never, ever rely on the new solar powered ones.

          • BeachBum

            You got the 5001 ? Shit, I still got the 4200. I got the updates in 2016, but it still sputters out at 5000 rpm.

          • commatoes

            Set it to plaid.

        • Alexander Stallwitz

          My favorite story about Fluoride is a town in the 50s anncouned it was going to Fluoridation the water. The city hall got a wave of complaints claiming the water killed fish, made people and animals sick, was green and so forth. It turns out the town had to delay the fluoridation becuae of a equipement mafcution and the water was the same as before . Its a excellent example of mass hysteria

          • Lance Thrustwell

            They were speaking Placebonics.

        • MrTusks

          Yeah, it’s the fluoride staining my teeth, not my twice-daily 64-oz Diet Coke.

      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        Oh I am not kidding. They went on for a while.

      • commatoes

        JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY LIBELZ!!!!11!!!!1!!

    • C4TWOMAN

      Facepalm city…

    • BreakingDeadMen

      bahahahah

    • Wild Cat

      Or how gay guys keep forcing themselves into Tucker Carlson’s unlocked mens’ room stalls . . .

    • P’jama Pahnts

      Call me weird, I don’t mind. I don’t like being medicated through my drinking water. Not a subject I get excited about, just my 2¢.

      • Miss Dill

        I am hypothyroid, and fluoride is bad for my thyroid. I also had discolored teeth from either it or tetracycline, or both, taken when young. I’m very, very sensitive to it.

  • Mavenmaven

    The law, humanity, ethics, compassion, these are all casualties of the Trump era.

  • jesterpunk

    Some of the blame has to go to Trump and Sessions for their comments about how police are too nice to suspects and for backing police no matter what.

  • Ricky Gay

    Today is horrible. Here, have an amusing/disturbing distraction:
    https://youtu.be/0r3oheW9jRc

  • Wolf Tracker

    Schiller “It was like a fraternity house the first six months and now it’s a military compound — it’s a fort,” a former aide said of Trump’s White House since Kelly has taken over.

    http://www.salon.com/2017/09/05/donald-trump-is-crushed-one-of-his-confidants-is-leaving-the-white-house/

    Trump in preparation for prison life.

    • Permit-holder Ron

      Lock him in it and build a new WH next door.

  • Saxo the Grammarian

    Daily Caller writers have tiny, tiny, teeny, tiny little dicks and they are welcome to come wave them here, where comments are not allowed. We need something ridiculous to point and laugh at.

    • Permit-holder Ron

      They’re too askeered of being mocked.

  • spangled

    oh boy the police chief’s name was Michael Brown? Why does the universe have no chill?

    • SDGeoff3

      Well, both have done a heck of a jerb.

  • Joe Beese
    • Joe Beese
      • Wolf Tracker

        If it hits Florida and stays along the coast it will keep picking up more moisture and increase in speed in that warm water.

        Could rip right up through Washington and NY still at a cat 5.

      • chicken thief

        I can hear the RWNJ’s now, after the event – why didn’t everyone on the eastern seaboard just evacuate?

        • Wolf Tracker

          They are in panic mode over on Breitbart. Lots of retired Trump voters live along that coast.

          • Permit-holder Ron

            Tell them it isn’t happening. It’s just an antifa-inspired hoax. They’ll all be fine.

          • commatoes

            Climate scientists. I wonder how the RWNJ’s will take the advice. And remember, the freshly embalmed animate corpse that sits in the Gov.’s office had the words climate change erased from all state documents.

            Oh, and Sen. Inhofe, if a snowball is evidence that global warming does not exist, does a hurricane mean that climate change is real?

        • BeachBum

          I do not wish anyone to ever die in any storm. However, I will buy the Gov of FL a beer if he has a realistic evacuation plan.

          • Eileen Besse

            You just KNOW Skeletor will say he doesn’t imbibe. Donald’s Best Friend.

          • BeachBum

            Oh. IDNKT.

          • Eileen Besse

            I only know ’cause I’ve lived here for @ 12 years now. Skeletor is term-limited, widely hated, and will say or do anything to get what he wants. He & Trump are like that. And Trump likes him ’cause JUST LOOK AT HIM–HE FITS RIGHT IN! And Bill Nelson’s a lousy commie Dem, so Trump thinks he’ll sic his “base” on Nelson for Skeletor’s benefit.

          • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

            Shirley you jest.

      • sillyclucker

        Yikes ! Looks like mid-GA might see some of this.

        • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

          I’ve got everything on the FEMA emergency list except the extra water.
          http://www.ready.gov

      • VirginiaWackelpudding

        We all look to get wet. Very, very wet.

    • armed_bears

      In weather, as in politics.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Wait what? I thought it wasn’t hitting Fla. ’til later this week.

      • BeachBum

        Its the EURO forecast.

        • VirginiaWackelpudding

          Someone post the Bug Bunny sawing off Florida gif. My lord that’s a badun!!1!

        • ahughes798

          Which is usually very accurate.

      • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

        Yep, that’s the model for the future.

    • II Gosala

      Monroe County (the Keys) has issued a mandatory evacuation. Lee County (Ft. Myers) will make a decision tomorrow.

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      Mrs Pixelz wants Irma to hit Mar-a-lago. Twice. Once before the tornado. And once after the earthquake. She wants the meteor to strike in between storm hits. And, if prayer really works, that is exactly what will happen.

      • BeachBum

        I will pay special close attention there.

      • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

        With votes. 65M of them.

    • chicken thief

      Not sure if posting an html page will work, but the gist of it is:

      Irma is now so big it is showing up on seismometers. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a5ba990d797364095627d36165f82a0b89cd420d66fb6b2d87b4bf78e927e5bb.png

    • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

      Oh fuck, that sucks.(I live on the west coast of Florida.) I hope the keys are ok.

  • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

    Sessions says we must end DACA to protect Americans from crime and terror. Perhaps he should deport this cop first.

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      Perhaps he should deport himself. And his boss, also, too.

  • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

    I thought officers could just shoot you for any reason, let alone something real, like a need to collect any blood they needed?

    Oh wait, fine print! Apparently some restrictions apply. I guess I didn’t check William Gray’s skin color first.

  • Iron Monkey

    I would bet that Officer Payne has at least some unnecessary force citizen complaints on his record–the big difference in this one is that the video was rolling.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      I would second that bet.

    • Wolf Tracker

      I have suggested everyone get a dash cam for their vehicles and record your own or other people’s traffic stops.

      Cops see a dash cam and they have a sudden change of attitude and I have one in both of my vehicles.

      • BeachBum

        That’s prolly a good idea for the times we live in. In Russia and other countries dash cams are common as a lot of shit happens with other drivers, to take to court. Also the police may or may not even show up.

        • Wolf Tracker

          It protects you in any accident if the other driver claims it was your fault and I have had that happen.

        • Querolous

          A lot of these end up on You Tube. It would lead one to think that bad drivers in Russia are as common as pee hookers.

          • ahughes798

            Apparently they are, because like you said, most of the stupid driving videos on You Tube are from Russia.

      • Permit-holder Ron

        I’m mounting one of these on the dash of my Studebaker: http://www.niftyfiftiesandbeyond.com/uploads/1/6/0/1/1601257/595632_orig.jpg

        • BeachBum

          You really have a Studebaker ? How cool !

          • Permit-holder Ron

            A 1956 Golden Hawk with a 1954 Commander coupe body (because coupe bodies are all I had available.) Eventually she’ll be on the road again. Eventually.

          • ahughes798

            Oh how cool! I love those Studebakers. I hope you can get it on the road sooner than eventually. I broke into my retirement account to get my old car done. I know, it was stupid, but I love that car.

          • Permit-holder Ron

            If I had a retirement account I would have done the same thing. Window rubber is EXPENSIVE.
            So what sort of car?

          • ahughes798

            Oh, it’s really dumb. Since I could never afford a real muscle car, I got a ’99 Ford Taurus SHO. For the ’90’s, for a domestic brand, it had a decent amount of horsepower…234. It’s basically a sports sedan. It’s rare, one of 252 made at that trim level, and it’s rare just by being an SHO. But it’ll be at least a decade before it’s worth more than I spent on it.

            The only reason I have a retirement account is because I worked at a University for 10 years, and I accidentally invested in mutual funds that did okay, even during the recession.

          • Permit-holder Ron

            They’re already minor collectables. Treat it nicely!
            I am fond of the Taurus. Had a 91 wagon that I drove the wheels off of. The current vehicle is a Fusion, which is about as close to the old Taurus as one can get. Though it has almost as much power as your SHO, which is summat amusing.

  • Bigby

    “Our own policy doesn’t permit C.O.P.S.-level high speed chases anymore, but our guy did it anyway, so we want to keep the burnt victim in the hospital from suing the shit out of us by looking for his 0.0000001 BAC, because *that’s* how we roll”.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Especially high speed chases on two-way roads… What could go wrong? No one could have known….

  • Wolf Tracker

    Coward Trump didn’t have the balls to end DACA in person and sent out Sessions to do the dirty deed.

    Pics of about a thousand people rallying outside Trump tower. I expect that will get a whole lot bigger and wilder.

    • Calli Arcale

      Not even that. He sent Sessions out to say it would end in six months if Congress didn’t figure something out, which means he’s already preemptively blameshifting on it as well.

  • Jenny

    Today I got to hear my boss the retired cop argue that the cop behavior was fine cuz he is a cop and cops can do whatever cuz the cop’s word is a lawful order.

    And then listen to him and other worthless libertarians coworker bitch about the Red Cross for not accepting their donation of freezer hamburger meat.

    Fuck why do I still work here?

    • BeachBum

      You are our mole in enemy camp. Excellent reporting.

    • janecita

      Destroy them from the inside;-)

    • janecita

      Your boss must be one of those “good cops,” that I keep hearing about.

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      Every job has a RWNJ. It’s some kind of affirmative action thing.

      • Jennaratrix

        Then I apparently have several jobs’ resident RWNJs, because I am freaking overrun.

  • Jeff Mc Donald

    It’s just my opinion, of course, but I feel if you can explain this away there is no lie you won’t tell or except. But as I said, that’s just me. The important thing to conservatives is he knows how to follow orders. Donny tells them to get tough, this asshole is on board!

  • chascates

    “Protecting the rights of others is truly a heroic act.”

    And this came from a police department?

    • Permit-holder Ron

      Sounds like the sort of town it’d be nice to live in.

      • Arolpin

        I’ve been to Rigby, Idaho. I think you would be disappointed. It’s better than Rexburg, but what isn’t.

        • Querolous

          Philo T. Farnsworth libel!

    • Kooolest G

      “Protecting the rights of others is truly a heroic act.”
      terms and conditions may apply, does not include blacks, browns, Injuns, poors, protestors, non-christians, or hippies. in order to qualify for heroic act status one must protect the rights of police officers or people named Bundy

      • BeachBum

        Dang, I’m in at least 2 of them. Shit. ( *searching dash cams on Ebay*)

  • SayItWithWookies

    We live in a law-and-order society – and as far as some cops and Tucker Carlson are concerned, they’ll take the laws they wished were in force over the ones that actually are in force.

    • Boscoe

      “The ends justify the means” is just a basic symptom of conservative brain disorder, along with compartmentalized thinking.

  • chicken thief

    “…the police department updated its own guidelines for blood draws by officers to make clear they can only be done with a warrant or with patient consent.”

    Well clearly they didn’t consult with Tucker before making said change.

  • Rachel Book Harlot

    Did the Daily Caller’s head explode when they realized the victim was also a police officer? Idiots.

  • BeachBum

    As people are assholes at the time of an incident, and later lie in court, honest cops will keep the cameras rolling. I think he just forgot.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Like the Baltimore cops planting drug “evidence”

      • ahughes798

        Didn’t the cops who murdered Philando Castile have their body cams turned off? Why is turning them off even an option? It should be grounds for immediate termination.

  • MamaBrown

    Same idiots who said “but…” when Tamir Rice was shot.

  • Permit-holder Ron

    May everyone at The Daily Caller have blood drawn by a cop who FAILED the blood-draw class.

  • janecita

    Tucker Carlson, needs another spanking from Jon Stewart.

    • Bitter Scribe

      So do a lot of people. He retired too soon.

      • commatoes

        Noah has been doing a pretty good job and the correspondents are keeping up the tradition of satire. And it did take Stewart a few years to really refine his delivery. Personally, I miss Colbert’s caricature since he went “legit”. The earnest buffoon was a great vehicle for political satire.

        • ahughes798

          I think Noah stinks. He’s simply not funny. Roy Wood, Jr., and Michelle Wolf are magnitudes more funny than he is or ever will be. Why Stewart picked him, I’ll never understand. But no, we can’t have a woman with a late night comedy show. Or a hilarious black dude(sorry Wilmore, you weren’t funny and your skits sucked). Now they’ve given a show to Jordan Klepper, who also isn’t funny. And they cancelled @Midnight, which was mostly dick jokes and really good comedians. What about hiring Dave Chapelle? Jesus Christ, Comedy Central, get your shit together!!!

  • tomamitai

    How soon can we expect President Trump’s DOJ to bring federal civil rights charges against Detective Payne for…I can’t even finish the “joke”, it’s making me too ragey to try.

    • Boscoe

      …especially since the only one at any risk of charges at this point, is the nurse.

      • commatoes

        I wonder if there is any chance of civil suits. That seems to be the one thing that gets city halls in an uproar. Never underestimate the outrage from higher taxes to pay for a few civil suits.

        • ahughes798

          Oh yeah. Chicago pays out millions, and sometimes tens of millions of dollars a year to settle civil suits against bad cops. I hope she sues the hell out of the local police, the city government, and the state police so hard that taxes go up on everybody in Utah.

  • The Librarian

    The Daily Bawler doesn’t have a real attorney they can talk to about legal things? I figured they get sued so often that someone would be on retainer.

    • Boscoe

      If they actually cared about reporting facts, they wouldn’t be getting sued all the time.

      • Ulricii

        If they actually cared about facts, they wouldn’t read their own POS publication.

    • commatoes

      Like Trump, legal advice doesn’t have to be heeded.

  • Oblios_Cap

    Rightwingers really want us to live in an even more repressive police state, don’t they?

    • Jennaratrix

      While simultaneously screaming about the overreach of big government.

      • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

        gots to keep wimins and brown people in line?

        • Ulricii

          Barefoot and pregnant is the old-timey recipe for that task with wimins. Only the Chinese figured out an improvement: bind their feets so tight that the wimminfolk couldn’t walk if they stole a pair of shoes. Ah gess mebee them Medieval chastity belts did the job purty well too.

    • BeachBum

      Ja.

  • Skeptical_thinker

    Good thing she wasn’t a blah …

  • Zyxomma

    I am pleased that the only awareness I have of Daily Caller comes from Right Wing Watch and Wonkette. Thanks, Doktor Zoom, for keeping me apprised so I can try to get through my day without blood pressure spikes and other possible injury.

    • ahughes798

      I visited the Daily Caller today for the first time, ever, because of this article. The writer of the article is a fascist toadie, but as I mentioned below, as of 3 PM, most of the comments were pro-nurse. I don’t intend to re-visit the comments, so this may have changed by now.

  • Bitter Scribe

    Cops think they always have to be right about everything.

    • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

      uh no.

    • ahughes798

      Cops think they are right.Period. And their brothers in blue cover for them if they aren’t. That’s why, IMO, there’s really no such thing as a good cop.

  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

    I am pretty sure the deplorables in general want to keep asking “Why did she resist arrest?” while blithely ignoring the fact that the officer was the one breaking the law.
    And they are both white, so maybe because it’s a woman?

    • nmmagyar

      “Maybe” because she is a woman?

      • Boscoe

        That and because they are jackboot-licking authoritarians. Man in uniform can do no wrong, especially when he’s doing wrong.

        • commatoes

          I forget who said it or the exact quote. But I’ll paraphrase.

          Supporters of fascists and authoritarians imagine the police holding a gun to the head of an “enemy of the state”. They cannot imagine that the head might one day be theirs.

          • Biel_ze_Bubba

            gun:head::leopard:face

  • JoeChristmas

    What’s funny is usually cops marry ER nurses.
    That’s how big a dick this guy is.
    If he ever goes to the ER with a gunshot wound the docs and nurses will be like “we’ll get some EXTRA strength Tylenol for you.”

    • SeeTrain65

      “Some people don’t want Extra Strength, they want Maximum! Give me Maximum Strength! Give me the maximum allowable human dosage! Figure out what will kill me, then back it off a little bit!” – Jerry Seinfeld

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN5SfIMuUeI

  • Butch

    Administrative leave = paid vacation. I would like for my company to put me on permanent paid administrative leave.

    • Boscoe

      And don’t forget the “internal investigation”, which i assume involves sitting around the breakroom table eating snacks and looking at the clock to see if they’ve waited long enough before announcing “there is no evidence of wrongdoing.”

  • aureolaborealis

    When in doubt, trust the folks in the scrubs over the ones with badges

    Also, from personal experience: trust the folks in scrubs with “RN” after their names more than the folks in scrubs with “MD” after their names.

    • nmmagyar

      RN’s are a very close second to “God” on the list of trusworthiness

      • aureolaborealis

        I had sinus surgery a few years ago. The doctor said it was a simple surgery, and recovery would be relatively pain-free. The prep nurses said, “This is going to be miserable several days for you, and you’re going to doubt why you did it, but it will really be worth it in the long run.” Guess who was dreadfully wrong and who was exactly spot-on?
        After some talk about it, I’ve come to the conclusion that the doctor, being a Type A sociopath, assumed we were talking about him, and he’s always pretty comfortable after doing this surgery on people. Also: He billed insurance $135,000 for a 2.5-hour, outpatient procedure. That was negotiated down to the $45,000 he actually got paid, but still.

    • Skeptical_thinker

      Especially for a blood drawer. I told my NP SIL that the next doctor that tried to take blood from me was going to end up dead (with votes). She said that would be too good an outcome.

      • Dinz6315

        We’ve been better at venipuncture than most docs for a long, long time.

        • ahughes798

          I have to have MRI’s twice a year, with and w/o contrast. Contrast is stuff they inject into you so everything lights up in the MRI. Once I had one MRI technician try 5 times to inject the contrast into the veins in the back of my hand. It hurts like hell, and I’m a pain wimp. After the third try, I said fuck it…we’ll just do it w/o the contrast part. He swore he would get it right the next time. He didn’t. And he didn’t the next time, either. At that point, I got up and said I’m leaving, and started walking to the locker where my clothes were. An RN ran into the locker room and said “I’m really sorry about what happened, let me try, and I promise you I’ll get the vein on the first try.” I said OK, got back on the table, and she got my vein on the first fucking try. I told her I loved her, LOL!

          So my respect for nurses is boundless, not only from that experience. Fuck that cop with a chainsaw, sideways, with votes.

  • handyhippie65

    dumbass didn’t realize he can’t treat another part of the system like he treats the rest of us plebs. too bad he won’t be punished for it.

    • CindyinEncinitas

      I believe he will.

      • handyhippie65

        i hope so, but the odds are he will only be fired, and hired somewhere else.

        • Ulricii

          He’s already got that second (third?) job as an ambulance driver so he will just put in more time there, shafting the hospital as much as he can. I would award him Asshole of the Year, but there’s always Trump in the race.

          • Mike Steele

            Ambulance firm fired him.

          • Nasty Girl Brianna

            Apparently they didn’t take kindly to his “threat” of only dropping off transients to that hospital.

          • handyhippie65

            just read he got fired from his medic job, so there may be reason to hope for some justice. hate to go there, but it was a white nurse he arrested, so, they might actually do something.

    • ahughes798

      Oh, I think he will, at least in civil court. She should bankrupt him. Take his house, cars, everything. Leave him so poor he can’t support his mistress. Too bad about the wife and kids, if any.

  • Dav Bill Odinok Broughton
  • clairence

    I swear, the idiots on the right are like, “Government sucks! Give us our fascist state!”

    • commatoes

      Don’t the RWNJs routinely rail about “jack booted thugs”?

      • Nasty Girl Brianna

        Only when a Democrat is in office.

  • clairence

    What I think gets overlooked is that he flipped out when the *man* on the phone – presumably her boss – told the cop he was making a mistake, THAT’s when he lost it. It was as if he could fight a girl but when a man stepped in to support her, he freaked.

    • CindyinEncinitas

      The other thing that he overlooked is that the guy he was trying to draw blood from is also a cop.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        Nothing says “I’m an asshole” quite like wrestling a nurse, who’s trying to do her job, by caring for a truck driver/cop, who is an accident victim. Maybe next he can call up a grieving mother and harass her, or sexually harass a child.

    • gratuitous

      And with two other males standing right there, Detective Payne went for the woman when he snapped. It looks like her ability to fight him to a standstill (she is a former Olympian, after all) further enraged him.

  • Lyly Sirivong

    That title of the DC sounds like a truly terrible genderbent version of the Cell Block Tango.

  • Grokenstein

    Let’s not forget Dick Pain’s threat against the hospital itself because he didn’t get his way: “I’ll bring them all the transients and take good patients elsewhere.” And how would he carry this out? Motherfucker’s got another job as an ambulance driver.

    • commatoes

      Dick Pain? All you have to do is REALLY wash your hands when eating suicide hot wings.

    • amindofitsown

      “Motherfucker’s got another job as an ambulance driver!”

      Doesn’t that just make you feel ever s’much better?

    • Ulricii

      Fire his ass from that second job too. He shouldn’t be in any line of work where empathy and understanding are required skills. (I guess that does still leave him the cop job the way it’s being performed these days.)

      • dshwa

        Update above, the ambulance company has fired him.

      • Nasty Girl Brianna

        Fired. With extreme prejudice.

    • ahughes798

      Not anymore, he doesn’t.

      • Grokenstein

        Nice!

        Payne’s actions ”violated several company policies and left a poor image of the company,” Gold Cross President Mike Moffitt said in a Tuesday interview. ”We determined today it was best to part ways.”

  • bubbuhh

    Dick pain wuz just upset cuz nurse wubbel him the wrong way. now that he haz bin relieved of his confining po-leez pants, is all better now.

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    Tucker Carlson’s new tagline: “and you thought Sean Hannity was the stupidest person at Fox News.”

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      It’s a race to the bottom. I can hear (ins)Hannity now: “Hold my beer.”

    • phoenix00

      Two words: Jim Hoft.

  • whitroth

    “Had it coming”? Isn’t that the kind of thing rapists say, afterwards?

    So they’re the Daily Failures (as human beings), right?

  • Fritz1964

    Nothing like ass-hat incorrect legal analysis from the dying Daily Caller. Sad.

  • Stephanie Rakowski

    Waiting for the Blue Bloods episode on this so I can see if they keep up with their “cops ‘r awesome; we should allow them to take all the right!” stance or stand up for the law

    • MAZS

      Well, grandparents need a show to watch. And that young guy, whatshisname, er Tom Selleck, sure is hot.

      • SeeTrain65

        At least he was back in the Pleistocene era.

        • AnniNoone

          Hey, now. I can remember when Tom Selleck was hot (at least if one doesn’t mind pornstaches). That makes it no earlier than the Cretaceous, TYVM.

          • ahughes798

            No, we’re in the Holocene era, which started about 11.5 thousand years ago, so he’s a relatively recent fossil.

    • John Thorstensen

      Well, to their credit, the Idaho dept that employed the victim applauded the nurse for standing up for their officer’s rights.

      And the optics are terrible. The cop’s target was a nice white blonde lady and — as it turns out — even a former Olympic skier. And the whole thing is recorded, so there’s no “he-said she-said”. This guy isn’t just toast, he’s sauteed.

  • Dinz6315

    I am a nurse (43 years) and this makes me absolutely insane. I couldn’t even read this story anywhere for several days. I still can’t watch the video.

    Wubbels is my new hero. I don’t often go this way, but when I saw this story, I said I hoped she would become a wealthy woman by suing the living shit out of Payne, his compadres and the department they work for. I can’t imagine working in a burn unit and having these self-righteous mother fuckers get up in my shit.

    ‘Scuse me, I am madder than HELL.

    • SeeTrain65

      And it is righteous anger.

  • ProgressiveInNH

    Someday, this nurse might have to care for this police officer. Thing is, she will. I work in a hospital and witness great rapport between ED nurses and the local police force. Also, too, BURN UNIT. Sweet Jesus on a jet ski, this has to be one of the toughest nursing jobs ever and anyone who works on a burn unit should get the deepest respect from all of us.

    • Nasty Girl Brianna

      Let’s not forget that the cop’s actions left that burn unit one very important nurse short for the night.

      • Joe Monte

        Actually, she was in the back of the cruiser for twenty minutes unless she went home after the incident (which I would have). But you’re right, the cops and the nurses are supposed to be on the same side and a lot could go wrong in twenty minutes.

    • phoenix00

      The Hippocratic Oath should overrule any petty personal grievances, and thank goodness it does.

      • ahughes798

        This wasn’t a “petty personal grievance,” though.

    • ahughes798

      I think if that asshole ever shows up in that hospital for treatment, they should send him to the hospital where he normally sent all the “transients.” Or flat out refuse to treat him. Payback’s a bitch.

      • Helene Logan

        But every nurse I’ve ever known would never do that–they’d treat the asshole, because they, unlike idiots like Payne, know what their job entails and do it with professionalism.

        • sgt. jmk of the résistance

          Every nurse I’ve ever known would treat him, too – some of them wouldn’t even cave to their worst instincts to find it a little difficult to locate a vein for a blood draw one or two hundred times.

          • ahughes798

            Hell, I’ve had them do that to me, and I was being perfectly nice. But I DID get a bit cranky after the 10th try.

        • ahughes798

          I know. Nurses are some of the best people on the planet. Dr.’s waltz in and out of your room, but the nurses are the ones who do the dirty work and take care of you, too.

  • The Flaming Carrot

    Well. Gregg Re has some academic bona fides (NYU Law, Georgetown U) but the general consensus on the crim defense blogs is that he’s full o’ shit. I wonder what his law firm makes of being associated with a far-right publication like the Daily Caller.

  • The Flaming Carrot

    I can’t believe Gerard Fox & Associates was unaware that its associate wrote for the Daily Caller, but on the outside chance they didn’t vet him properly, now they know.

  • I am sad at the rift this has caused between law enforcement and the nurses we work so closely with,
    But not for an actual assault with abuse of power and the trampling of not one person’s but TWO people’s constitutional rights.

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    So the Daily Callgirl is saying that getting clobbered by a reckless/drunk/suicidal driver “implies” your consent to have your blood drawn? Yeah, that’s about the level of logic I expect from those dipshits.

    • SeeTrain65

      Anything that prevents the police from doing their jobs is bad.

      Anything that prevents the police from going beyond the scope of their jobs is worse.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        Anything that prevents the police from doing their jobs whatever the fuck they want to do is bad.

        • SeeTrain65

          Fixed!

  • ziggywiggy

    Just read this from Raw Story.. “Now, according to SLC’s Fox 13 News, Jeff Payne, the offending detective, has been fired from his part-time job as a paramedic.
    “Gold Cross Ambulance in Salt Lake City, Utah has terminated Jeff Payne as a part-time Paramedic effective immediately,” the company’s statement on Tuesday reads. “Although Jeff was not working for Gold Cross Ambulance at the time of the incident, we take his inappropriate remarks regarding patient transports seriously.”

    • Sarah E. Grove

      But he’s still a cop.

      • ziggywiggy

        Yep, but it’s better than nothing and hopefully a foreboding of what’s to come for him.

  • Viktor

    Cucker Tarlson and his low rated rag are at it again.

    • amrak63

      Cucker Tartson?

      • phoenix00

        I prefer Fucker Snarlson

  • Celtic_Gnome

    Everybody is so much nicer than me. If the mayor and chief of police called me to apologize, I would have told both of them to go fuck themselves. The only thing I’d want to hear from them is that the asshole cop had been fired and charged with felonious assault.

  • SullivanSt

    In short, do not take legal advice from The Daily Caller.

    Also, do not take any other kind of advice from The Daily Caller. Ever.

    • (((Aron)))

      Can I take advice on how to be a racist asshole?

      They seem to be really good at it!

      • sgt. jmk of the résistance

        It’s the only thing they’re qualified to give advice on.

        NO! I tell a lie!

        They are also qualified to give advice on how to be a misogynistic dickhole, also too.

        • (((Aron)))

          Well at least they’re good for TWO things!

  • Nasty Girl Brianna

    I was expecting at least one right wing media outlet to defend the cop and blame the nurse. And OF COURSE it’s Fucker Snarlson’s own media outlet who steps up to the plate on this one. Trust that POS to be on the wrong side of EVERY issue.

  • bubba

    Next step: Take his gun and badge.
    “Police Officer Who Arrested Utah Nurse Gets Fired From Medic Job”
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-officer-who-arrested-utah-nurse-gets-fired-medic-job-n798966

  • Heyzeus Ahchay

    If it’s the Daily Caller, hang up daily.

  • WhoCheckedRussia’sVoterID

    Fuck Tucker Carlson. The guy continually lies about shit and just puts it out there because if its said its true…at least in the knuckle-dragger inbred circles to which he peddles his toxic babble.

    What I don’t get is why. He knows its bullshit. The whole bit he said above is completely refutable. The only reason he does it is to incite. His readers and listeners are dumb, and he gets off moving the wackadoodle meter. I wish he would shut the fuck up.

    …but I support his right blah blah…

  • pixeloid

    “she couldn’t allow him to draw blood from an unconscious patient because of hospital rules and the patient’s stupid old Constitutional rights as codified by the stupid old US Supreme Court.”

    … and an agreement signed by his own fucking police department.

  • Joe Monte

    In every hospital I’ve worked there were always good relationships between the ER and the cops. We take the psychotic patients off of their hands (we call them 302s in PA) as well as the detox patients. The behavior of that cop in the video didn’t make any goddamn sense from the request for the blood to roughing the nurse. There was no procedural advantage and no actionable specimen.

    • sgt. jmk of the résistance

      It seemed to me that he got to the stage where, if you’re arguing with your kid, you say “because I’m the mom and I said so, that’s why,” and thought that he got to arrest her if he got frustrated enough.

  • Riley Whodat Venable

    Don’t fight with Nurses, are anyone who touches your food.

    • ahughes798

      Nurses know enough to make your injections relatively painless, or relatively painful.

  • mary5920

    The Daily Caller is creepy and Tucker Carlson ran out of journalism a long time ago. He’s just repeating tired old talking points with an extra layer of preppy snot.

    I’m sure that he would like this nurse to defend HIM in a similar situation.

    • ahughes798

      The good thing is that most of the commenters think the author is ridiculous.

      • (((Aron)))

        Seriously? DailyCaller commenters NOT being racist assholes?

        That is difficult to believe!

        • ahughes798

          It is difficult to believe! But it is true. Or maybe the racists haven’t gotten off of work yet.

  • kloewent

    I think this guy wanted that blood just in case there was something in it that could get the cops off the hook for having a fatal chase. If there was even a tiny amount of drugs or alcohol in his system, they could lay some of the blame on him.

    • ahughes798

      Their blood draw would have been useless because hospitals tend to pump burn victims full of pain meds. Also, there are really strict protocols for taking blood and treating burn victims because their main defense system against infection, their skin, has been severely compromised.

      • Helene Logan

        So what’s even more frightening is that if she had backed down on protecting the patient, and that idiot jackboot thug cop had drawn blood, he could have compromised the patient’s system. WTF USA

      • NotConvinced

        Well at least Payne was removed from the SWAT Blood Draw Team. Or
        SBDT ( also Sons of Bitches with the DT’s)

    • Ranina

      I agree.

    • HooverVilles

      Sadly probably true.

  • (((Aron)))

    Allow me to say I LOVE HER NAME.

    WUBBELS WUBBELS WUBBELS WUBBELS WUBBELS

    Way to fight the good fight!

  • NotConvinced

    Warren/Wubbels 2020

  • BreakingDeadMen
    • (((Aron)))

      Belt of Scotch?

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