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In what has to be the stupidest stretch of logic — today, at least — in the ongoing dialogue over the removal of Confederate monuments, the Virginia GOP posted a weirdass condemnation of Democratic Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, who’s now running for governor (Terry McAuliffe is term-limited). You see, Northam has called for the removal of Civil War Participation Trophies, since they honor actual traitors to the USA, and were mostly erected to reinforce the post-Reconstruction myth of the “Lost Cause” — historically, they have more to do with reinforcing white supremacy than anything else. Ah, but the state GOP thought it had a real winner of a slam on Northam, whose ancestors actually owned slaves:

How dare you turn your back on your family’s rich heritage…of owning slaves? Democrats were quick to point out that the tweets stopped just short of — or hell, skidded well into — calling Northam a traitor to his race.

After about four hours, the state party finally realized maybe they weren’t getting quite the sort of attention they wanted, and they removed the tweets. Northam, on the other hand, was happy to leave his reply up, what with being on the right side of history and all:

Ed Gillespie is, of course, the former RNC chair and the Republican nominee for governor. His own Twitter feed carefully avoided any mention of the state party’s Tweet.

Some Republicans were also left gobsmacked, as the Washington Post notes:

Even a conservative blog, The Reagan Battalion, jumped in, asking the Virginia Republican Party “Was your account hacked?”

Former delegate David Ramadan, a Republican, tweeted: “Have you lost your minds – who is in control of your twitter act?”

Eventually, the Virginia Republicans posted an apology, since they were simply aghast that anyone would misinterpret their message. Just as they felt compelled to issue a pro-forma apology, we felt compelled to include the top reply:

No, they didn’t say what they originally intended, either. They’re probably just going to lay low and wait for Donald Trump to say something dumb that’ll take the heat off them. Not that anyone should let them — we hope everyone starts asking them how they did mean that.

Virginia GOP executive director John Findlay was very, very careful in whitewashing the tweet and pretending it never could have meant anything untoward:

“We said that Ralph Northam is turning his back on his heritage and family. It is because his great-grandfather fought for the side of the Confederacy and was wounded during the Civil War,” Findlay said. “When he wants to tear down monuments dedicated to those killed in action and wounded during the war, he is literally talking about a member of his own family.”

Findlay was also quick to note that a survey of Virginia voters found a very slim majority want Confederate monuments to stay on public land. That would be a whopping 51 percent. Then again, 51 percent is a number Donald Trump would dream of getting in an approval poll.

The apology became fodder for a new round of critiques, of course:

Though frankly, some people just went for the thuddingly obvious:

Also obvious: it’s your OPEN THREAD!

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  • RobKanC

    Can we stop pretending that GOP is made of decent people? They disproved it when they elected a shit stain as president.

  • MrTusks

    Repost from earlier thread because now it’s actually on topic kinda!

    This weekend I heard an argument that the confederate statues should stay up because they encourage tourism. My response that they were statues of traitors and slavers was met with, basically, “Yankee go home.” At least there was no attempt at an argument over the morality of the Confederacy.

    And in any event, no one is going to Baltimore for the statues of enemy losers, and people will still go to Gettysburg if the statues weren’t there (though, in that instance, a memorial to the dead Confederate grunts who were themselves only one step up from slavery would not be inappropriate).

    Edit: Oh! I also heard that it would be too expensive to rename all the highways and middle schools in the South that are named after traitors. To which I say: with a deficit of trillions, half of which was spent blowing up brown people and giving free money to people who already have too much free money, this is your budget issue?

    • proudgrampa

      Just put numbers on the roads. Fixed.

  • Michael Smith

    Yeah, the GOP condemns racism in any form. Totally.

    I got into a stupid argument about this on Facebook with a Trump supporter who said that the mainstream media is inventing the racist threat in order to keep Americans divided and hurt Trump’s support. I told him racism is quite real, and gave him some examples of the racist shit conservatives say all the time – including him. He told me I was “projecting,” because I’m THE REAL RACIST so I think that other people are too. Man I really wasted a lot of energy going off on him, but it was fun – I’d like to summarize it.

    I told him he was “projecting” his own baseless paranoia onto everyone he disagrees with. And I think they all are. Trumpists are incredibly paranoid about “liberals” supposedly destroying this country. They see liberal plots, intentional or not, to destroy America around every corner. Protests are paid for by liberals. Democrat candidates only win because liberals cheat. If there’s a pothole in a local borough, its because of liberals raising taxes to line their own pockets. If you get laid off from work, its because liberals are forcing companies to pay taxes instead of workers. If a crime happens, its because liberals are too soft on criminals.

    Furthermore, to the extent that anyone disagrees with this paranoia, it is because liberals have lied and tricked everyone. No liberal point of view is legitimate because its either motivated by welfare cheats and corrupt politicians, or subscribed to by idiots who made the mistake of trusting any news source other than Fox or an online conservative blog.

    Although Fox News is a single station, whose founder and president for years was a die hard conservative campaign manager, somehow all of the other news sources are the ones that are propaganda. Even though the President is now a Republican, somehow CNN and MSNBC are America’s Pravda, not the news station that either praises Trump, criticizes his enemies, or distracts its audience with boobs.

    Even when conservative movements like the Alt-Right say racist things, its because liberals accused conservatives of racism for so long, that they decided to just own it. Which somehow either doesn’t make them actually racist, or it makes their racism more understandable because it was in response to liberal “PC” tyranny. Everything is the fault of liberals. If you espouse a liberal view, you are a traitor. Liberals, furthermore, have corrupted the country so much that we need someone who is unaccountable to our traditional forms of authority – the Congress, the media, the academy, the law – in order to rescue America from “the liberals” who have usurped each of those institutions.

    Well, I think conservative refusal to condemn racist groups without, in the same breath, accusing liberals of supporting communist terror groups, implicitly endorses the paranoia espoused by these hate groups. I think Trumpists are projecting their own unjustified paranoia about liberals onto our legitimate concern about right wing hate groups.

    Also, they are racists – but I covered that in my first interaction with him, which is why he accused me of projecting.

    • TJ Barke

      The rightwing noise machine has thoroughly indoctrinated a massive portion of the populace. Thanks Reagan.

    • MrTusks

      “White people are persecuted!”
      “That’s kinda racist.”
      “Why do you have to make everything about identity politics??”

    • JoeChristmas

      The Constitution is a liberal document.

    • YoBunnyBunny

      I think I had this same convo with my wingnut.

      His line was: “Democrats are the Real Racist for always talking about racism!!!1!”

      Really, so why do you think the Dems appeal to so many minorities, like Blacks?

      “The Blacks are all brainwashed and have plantation mentality!!1!”

      …riiiiiight….

      • Michael Smith

        Totally. Their claim to not be racist is very easily debunked by their belief that black people are somehow uniquely gullible.

    • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

      “Baseless paranoia is the best paranoia!”

      – Alex Jones

    • JoeChristmas

      The Hair Führer

  • elviouslyqueer

    Shorter Ralph Northam: “OH AM I NOT LOUD ENOUGH? LET ME TAKE THIS SHIT ON TOUR THEN.”

  • MrTusks

    You know, Republicans, we’re not trying to make such a big deal of identity politics, but you kinda keep bringing it up.

  • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

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    peøple had been sacked, wish it tø

    be knøwn that they have just been

    sacked.

    The credits have been cømpleted

    in an entirely different style at great

    expense and at the last minute.

    • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

      Obligatory upfist.

    • proudgrampa

      Well played, Cousin!

    • Werewolf

      Ralph the Wonder Llama approves.

  • So why hasn’t the Virginia GOP attacked Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson’s families who have said they want the monuments to come down?

    • janecita

      Because to those morons, they are royalty.

  • janecita

    I would love to know, why rich women get plastic surgery done in their twenties and thirties. Louise Linton, is only 32, but she looks like a very old 50. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/054210fbfeea37409c54c34bdfd0d1ec94c80398c469244330c927a38eb5b238.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/09c34a9c6f5bf587487023991f7bd54ecc7deb26660619ee19043af54becfda3.jpg

    • jowgajen

      Taught from an early age that their only currency is an unattainable standard of beauty. It’s gross and sad.

      • janecita

        And plastic, don’t forget plastic.

    • BadKitty904

      The evil keeps seeping through?

      • proudgrampa

        And, at a very early age…

        • weejee

          Likely to go septic.

    • blarg

      I don’t usually comment on women’s looks, but since that seems to be all she cares about, I will say that’s a really HARD 32. Like, did she live through the Great Depression. Why so old looking, Louise?

      • janecita

        She is a very superficial woman. I can’t stand her.

      • Beanz&Berryz

        She has big diamond earrings. She’s good and important.

      • proudgrampa

        Actually, it was all that Public Service she ranted about in that stupid rant of hers.

        And i’ll bet we know just WHAT kind of PS that was, hmmmm?

      • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

        #Louise has to #remember all those #hashtags for #designers #designerbrands #gimmeswag #ILoveFreeShit for her #tweets.

    • They know that republican men think women expire at 30?

    • Richard Girlswin

      All I will say is that I am confused why someone would get plastic surgery at a young age and not include getting that weirdly cocked ear fixed. Is this a trick of photography or is it actually askew like that in real life?

      Not something I’d bring up if we weren’t talking about someone who had already had some (presumabley dubious) cosmetic surgery.

      • janecita

        I just noticed! Good eye sir!

      • Cogswell – In a Mirror, Darkly

        Hence the term, lop eared.

      • natoslug

        I assumed it was falling off.

        • onedollarjuana

          It’s an anchor for the face skin pulled taught.

    • Covfefe

      Do they ruin their skin by spending to much time in the sun?

    • SomeBigRedDog

      Her Dorian Grey type portrait has malfunctioned.

    • BadKitty904

      Honestly, I could make better fake-cheek-bones using biscuit dough.

      • janecita

        And even Michael Jackson had a better nose.

        • BadKitty904

          Several, I hear.

    • OutOfOrbit

      oo loogit them chubby little ears, ain’t even even, point & laff LOL!

    • JoeChristmas

      Cigs?

      • janecita

        Probably part of the problem.

    • YoBunnyBunny

      I don’t like to brag about my looks or age, but I’ll make an exception:

      I’m 32 and I still get carded!!! Last Friday at my job, some ladies who didn’t know me mistook me as “somebody’s daughter” LOL!!!!

      Guess money can’t (won’t) buy you everything.

      • I’m 39 and it still happens from time to time… Most people peg me as mid-20s. What a time to be alive!

      • Antonin Dvorak

        I had a goatee in college, I was often mistaken for a professor. Ten years later I get a job at a college, clean shaven, I was often handed flyers for freshman orientation.

      • janecita

        I’m forty, and I look way younger than her.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      I don’t wanna be sexist and stuff – but there’s no WAY that woman is 32.

  • BadKitty904

    Oh, Dok, you scamp!

  • Bitter Scribe

    Racism is over, because we elected a black man president twice and you have to make up a reason before you kick a black person off a jury. QED.

  • Beanz&Berryz

    Original Tweets: Hypocritical race traitor, who may have paid for college and medical school with money from the sale of slaves, only NOW comes out as if he’s against slavery. Pandering to the Blacks.

    What VAGOP actually meant: Original Tweets: Hypocritical race traitor, who may have paid for college and medical school with money from the sale of slaves, only NOW comes out as if he’s against slavery. Pandering to the Blacks.

    What VAGOP pretends to have meant: We’re for Heritage not Hate. Statues are just Heritage.

    • MrTusks

      If you want to memorialize heritage, put up a statue of Aunt Estelle’s potato salad or something.

      • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

        Eudora Welty should have statues all over the place. So should William Faulkner and Flannery O’Connor and Harper Lee.

        • Werewolf

          How about Major General George H. “Pap” Thomas, who commanded US forces at Chickamauga, Chattanooga and Nashville, or Admiral David Farragut, who commanded US Naval forces at Mobile Bay (“Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!”)?

    • teele

      The “heritage” argument is shit. The white (and alt-white) folks pulling this out of their backsides often know their heritage, so they can drink green beer on 3/17, or pull out the bagpipes and kilts for weddings, or display their collection of Princess Diana memorabilia. Unfortunately, people descended from slaves don’t often have that option. They know that their ancestors were kidnapped from Africa, but most have no way to track down the specific area of that vast continent that their heritage may derive from. That knowledge was stolen from them, along with basic human rights. So the Irish American, Scots American and British American descendants of the CSA traitors can stick their “heritage” argument sideways up their generally ample rear ends. As to the mystifying number of vowel-deprived Slavs (the alt-whites) hooking into the WS movement: what up with that? With few exceptions, their ancestors would have heard only vague rumors about the American War of Southern Treachery as they worked the fields around their straw huts. Their Confederate “heritage” is mostly wishful thinking, and they should stick with their beloved Nazis and stay out of the whole Southern rebellion movement.

  • weejee
    • Ill-Advised

      Is “911-MEN-ZWAR a Thing?”

  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

    Now remember, folks, to have your bingo cards ready for the butthurt wingnuts!
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4817d16dafc55c0d5d7172ca4812c6afe9730d63f7d27f9694b09fcf49f2aeba.jpg

    • TJ Barke

      White people with dreads libel!

    • data_ninja

      The free space should be “White Privilege”.

    • JoeChristmas

      Lincoln was a Republican
      The south was Democratic

      • doktorzoom

        The Collected Works of Dinesh D’Souza

        • JoeChristmas

          The hoosegow hindu.

      • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

        And nothing has changed in politics or political parties in the 152 years since.

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        “WAS” being the operative word here, as Spotts pointed out below.

    • I’m going to go ahead and complain about the “dreadlocks” one, nothing racist about a white dude with dreads… I mean, it’s smelly and typically gross, but every white person with dreads I’ve known has been mostly a stoner, hippy type…

    • Three Finger Salute

      That’s not wingnut bingo. Some of that stuff is just reasonable compromise to avoid starting a fight, or navel-gazing memes that spread like a virus out of Tumblr. Not the confederate flag crap or wanting to say the N word (which I don’t believe anyone should say, it’s a horrible word), but dreadlocks? Seriously? I’ve seen those on campus hipsters. I had a substitute English teacher in high school who looked exactly like that “campus feminist” meme. The whole “cultural appropriation” business is just the already draconian mess of copyright law extended to the already emotional and contentious realm of identity-politics (which is really just corporate identity targeting — think Netflix/Amazon, “if you liked Stand and Deliver, you’ll love My Family/Mi Familia” — given a pseudo-leftist veneer). It’s the same rationale that’s allowed Disney to buy up the Greek pantheon and Grimm’s Fairy Tales.

      IP is theft from the cultural commons. Wearing a sombrero isn’t “piracy” from anybody. And there are far more important things to worry about like kids being ripped out of their schools and kicked out of the country or their families torn apart. Who cares about college students getting drunk on Cinco de Mayo?

      “Privilege” is a hostile term from academia (one woman’s obscure thesis in the late ’80s) that doesn’t explain the whole thing. It’s far more complex than that and something of a rabbit hole to be honest. To frame it as an easily accessible term like “double standard” is better, and doesn’t create as much friction, because everyone can understand it. Everyone has their struggles and strengths, and yes, class and economic uncertainty is one of them that shouldn’t be dismissed in addition to everything else. A poor white person will never be called the N word or have a noose hung from his front door, but neither will LeBron James ever have to worry about paying his bills or putting food on his table. Framing it as a “progressive stack” makes it a vertical hierarchy of entire monolithic groups, rather than a case-by-case evaluation of individuals’ situations.

      “All lives matter” is a dumb phrase, and not only because it negates the implied “black lives matter, too.” In a more general sense, it’s because the truth in America is that no lives matter, except those who can check off all the boxes of white, rich and nominally “Christian” (Mammonite). Even the Jews don’t matter except the Israeli Zionists acting as useful land developers for the Dominionists to usher in their Hitler Jesus fantasy (comes home from college and converts or kills all the “squatters” in Jerusalem) as a self-fulfilling prophecy.

      Essentially, though, it’s the truth about life everywhere in the world. Sad to say, but the only equality we’ll ever have is that we all end up in the same clump of dirt. The 0.0001% hoard everything, and they’ve won. Meanwhile, the rabble at the bottom fight amongst each other and divide themselves into an increasingly small number of “tribes” based on various self-declared insignia of identification, over an ever-shrinking pile of crumbs that, eventually, when all the dust settles, turns out to just be a tiny anthill made of sand. Dreadlocks, sombreros and invisible backpacks really start to look like small potatoes when nobody has any food — whether it’s potatoes, of any size, or anything else other than, well, Soylent of any color.

      I don’t have any black friends myself, because I have no friends. At least not in “meatspace.” For all I know, everyone on Wonkette is a unicorn cosplaying as a dog. But that’s just the nihilistic cynic in me, who’s at a point where I hate everyone equally including myself. That nihilistic cynic comprises a lot more than 3.837%. As evidenced by my realization that nobody’s life matters and we’re all just expendable ants.

      And now, a bunny.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0b6e224586e2b0948d702e335a4f84fb723b763da0040b3bf7e4e756694e9ce6.jpg

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        upfisted for the bunny.

  • JoeChristmas

    The GOP: We defend nazi’s and white supremacy to get thosetax cuts for the rich.

    • OutOfOrbit

      dear vaginnies: see kansas

  • GoutMachine

    We’re so sorry if you were offended, and if you misinterpreted what we said!

    Dumbasses. Then again, there’s always the Washington definition of gaffe: Accidentally telling the truth.

  • BadKitty904

    …has turned his back on his own family’s heritage…

    My family, of Scottish descent, has lived in the South for just short of 400 years. I’ve never heard any of us ever even mention any Confederate memorial, much less get bent about what happens to one.

    Y’all keep your “family heritage” in your gotdamn family, where it belongs.

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      “Hey sis?”

    • MrTusks

      Apparently the only thing about their heritage that’s worth remembering was the time they betrayed their country and killed a million people so that they could keep owning and torturing other people.

      • GoutMachine

        I’m more than happy to keep reminding them of that … often. And without statues.

      • BadKitty904

        “Losing a war” has always seemed rather an odd thing to be bragging on, to me.

      • Shanzgood

        Most of them didn’t even own slaves, did they? They just wanted the chance to some day, I guess.

        • YoBunnyBunny

          But still…

        • Shanzgood

          Edited.

        • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

          Yup. Most of the poor grunts who ended up getting used for Minié ball catchers were the dirt-poor farmers and laborers. The plantation owners were either officers or paid the Confederacy money to not be sent to fight.

          • YoBunnyBunny

            My wingnut was telling me that they weren’t fighting “for slavery”, but for their “way of life”. No, I don’t know what that means.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            pretty sure it meant slavery.
            ; )

          • Michael Smith

            They were fighting to uphold some bullshit they were propagandized to believe, including that the existence of slavery benefited the white man even if he couldn’t afford slaves. Because it protected his naturally superior position.

            In reality slavery was terrible for poor whites. How can you compete for jobs when all of the important manual labor in your economy is done by kidnapped foreigners who are forced to work for free? You can’t. So if you were lucky enough to be white and rich, all you have to do is maintain your fortune and there’s no threat to your position. While if you were born white and poor, there’s virtually no chance of you ever becoming anything else because if there’s a valuable job anywhere in the south, its being done by a slave who doesn’t get paid anything.

            The only thing that the owners feared was a slave revolt. And they could crush that with the army… whose actual fighting men were mostly made up of poor whites. So, really, the threat of slave revolt only becomes serious if poor whites were somehow convinced to help the blacks – perhaps if, say, someone were to bring up the fact that while slavery devastates black people it also hurts poor white people so maybe they should join forces.

            To prevent this, the whole “slavery gives dignity to white people” argument was a yuuuuge part of southern propaganda, even before the Civil War, but even more so during it. And its still around today, of course.

          • (((fka_donnie_d)))

            I might fuck goats and/or my cousins, but at least I ain’t a n*gger.

          • SadDemInTex

            Nicely said. And the elite white landowners also detested democracy and felt that Notherners weren’t even gentleman. (From an 1857 book) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/646a895fa601bbb12801fed81c38e00aea63c235c0f685cc5fd90ddf33ed05a9.jpg

          • Canis Greyhame

            Yeah right. It’s not like anyone was threatening to take away their banjo music and grits.

          • Ill-Advised

            Huh. Where have I heard that before, I wonder.

            (thinks)

            Nah, I got nuthin’.

    • Peggy’s Pizza House

      Upvoted for using the word ‘gotdamn’.

      • BadKitty904

        I was in high school before I realized that isn’t how it’s spelt.

    • Riley Whodat Venable

      My family is French and Cherokee. The French side has been in the country for over 350 years. I just recently learned that some distant anscestors funded the Lookout Mountain monument outside of Atlanta. I new my family had fought for the Confederacy, and figured they had owned slaves, given that there are many Black Venables around the Country. I’m not proud of it, but it is what it is.
      Move the monuments to museums, and add plaques explaining the evils of Slavery, Secession, and White Supremecy.

  • Mpeg

    Yee-haw — The NORTHam Will Rise A-gain!
    Wait, what?~

  • Crystalclear12

    They need to check their dog whistler.
    Everyone can hear it now.

  • Yet another example of GOP stupidity and racism:
    https://twitter.com/JonAdams3/status/900443218109661184

    • janecita

      Did they also welcome him with tacos and tequila? It looks like a party.

    • natoslug

      THE GOP is doing wonders in their outreach.

  • Rick Hill

    I can’t help but read those twits in the manner they were intended, kind of corporate speak for nonpology:
    “We reiterate denunciation of racism….yada yada yada….sign it and send it off.”

    • GoutMachine

      Classic nonpology. Only second to “thoughts and prayers” in meaninglessness. (On second thought, this one might be first.)

  • spangled

    lol Ed Gillespie’s campaign is FUCKED. the machinations of this are delicious.

    Gillespie just barely beat out Corey Stewart in the primary – who is a Trump acolyte and not even a Virginian. Stewart has decided to take Gillespie down, and Gillespie has decided to never mention Trump publically for fear that centrists will abandon him.

    Instead, Gillespie’s attempt to win over Stewart’s hard right voters is to make his campaign all about confederate statues. Maybe a decent strategy…until Charlottesville happened.

    Also in the primary, Northam got more votes than both Stewart and Gillespie combined.

    • BadKitty904

      Who knew Virginians aren’t totally crazy?

  • whitroth

    Oh, horrors! I can see the VA GOP clutching their pearls, wondering how *anyone* could interpret that they are all racist fascist pigs, working for racist billionaires?

  • Thiazin Red

    So people did interpret it as intended. His ancestor was a white supremacist, so he should be one too!

    • Crystalclear12

      See, that’s the problem. Only the white supremacist were supposed to hear that!
      The other rubes were supposed to think it was about statues!

      GOP dog whistle is broken, ya’ll.

  • Crystalclear12

    They are sorry you were offended.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      “Let’s kill people!”
      “That’s not cool.”
      “Sorry you interpreted my words that way.”

      Sigh.

    • BadKitty904

      I’m offended they’re so sorry.

      • GoutMachine

        Sorry they got caught is what they’re sorry about.

        • BadKitty904

          As in “sorry, worthless, and generally low-down”.

  • SayItWithWookies

    Methinks the VAGOP should be more concerned about turning its back on Abe Lincoln.

    • Mpeg

      They’ll have a hard time turning back again since their backbone is gone, also, too~

  • Nockular cavity

    David Ramadan, a Republican, tweeted: “Have you lost your minds – who is in control of your twitter act?”

    Excuse me, but HAVE YOU HEARD OF DONALD FUCKING TRUMP?

    • BadKitty904

      “David Ramadan”? Srsly?

      • Nockular cavity

        Yeah, that, too.

  • Carpe Vagenda

    Very cool article from Vogue about african-american women in the service being allowed to wear their hair natural now.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1502ee6140ddd50087d6860fda7e1ae1a26d7588c5162043ebbbf90dc83ded1a.png

    • Thiazin Red

      I do not get how braids were an issue before. It seems like it would be a great way to keep hair out of your way.

      • GoutMachine

        No shit. Can’t think of any other reason they’d not be allowed. Nope, none at all. Moving on … ahem.

        • Carpe Vagenda

          because putting lye on your head in a combat zone is a terrific idea.

      • YoBunnyBunny

        I think because the previous military standards were based on people with European hair. They’ve just entered the 21st century in realizing that not everybody in the military has wash-n-go hair or hair that doesn’t lay flat on one’s scalp. Braids were by default unkempt.

        • Three Finger Salute

          I love how their definition of “European” is basically ABBA.

          My hair, exposed to the elements, looks more or less like this:

          https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/snl/images/6/6f/Rossanne.png

          My mother, too, same thing. She hardly even goes out when it’s raining anymore. Takes less than a minute to go from slightly wavy to Gene Shalit.

  • Thiazin Red

    Fucking ovarian cysts. I can’t take birth control pills, so there is basically nothing that can be done about them, unless I can find a doctor willing to just cut out the left one. You suck left ovary, why can’t you be more like your sister?

  • ManchuCandidate

    Ownership not hate! Er….. Uh…. Heritage not hate. Uh…. Seig Heil!!! Um…
    /account deleted/

  • JMP

    Um, yeah? I had family who owned slaves and fought for the Confederacy, and of course I turn my back on them – that’s what they deserve, they were evil shits, the fact that they happened to be the ancestors of my dad’s parents doesn’t change that. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that at all; in fact if your family’s heritage includes Confederate soldiers and slave owners, then if you are a decent human being of course you are going to turn your back on them.

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Dok has covered my points with these white supremacist twits.

    Party of Lincoln, my ass. Try Party of Jefferson Davis and Andrew Stephens.

    • BadKitty904

      Stephens was a piece o’ work, I’ll tell ya what…

  • BearLeft

    Let’s not forget these classic political takes on “the dog ate it,” which the VA GOP can use at its convenience:

    It was the booze;
    I’ve found Jesus;
    I’m going to treatment; and
    It was my wide stance.

  • jesterpunk
  • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

    In today’s Donald Digest…Trump tweeted SIX times about his rally last night.

    Who thinks there were actually 15,000 there last night in Phoenix?
    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/900225712522657792

    This is fucking rich, considering last week. Also, I’m pretty sure by “gang violence” he means black people violence.
    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/900229323801735168
    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/900236323893673984
    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/900251514324647936
    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/900346953120141312
    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/900352052068401154

    And finally, more idiocy about the filibuster.
    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/900354657133801474

    • jesterpunk

      He couldn’t even get a simple majority on a vote that the GOP excluded Democrats from.

    • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

      There were 15,000 people there. 5,000 inside being forced (and probably paid) to listen to his bloviating assmouth, and about 10,000 protesters outside.

      • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

        He compared it to the crowd he got there in 2015, which was estimated at a little under 4,200 by the fire marshal (just under the building’s maximum capacity). He claimed anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 showed up then.

        • UncleTravelingMatt

          I just upfisted you 40,000 times.

          • Nockular cavity

            That’s nothing. I had 50,000 people show up at my open mike last Thursday.

  • Yeah, a lot of Germans had ancestors who were Nazis, and most of them are juuuuuust fine not having monuments to their ancestors all around Berlin…

  • William
    • Kooolest G

      I’m think we should get the city of wichita to pay for a statue of dr. george tiller. I’m sure that wouldn’t hurt any of the snowflake’s feelings

      • Shanzgood

        Brilliant!

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    • hudson

      #1. i would want them to be dead enough for them to be statues. #2. i would want their statutes to be showed up their own dead asses and buried 6 foot under.

    • Bright Bart

      bend over and I’ll show you.

  • OutOfOrbit

    i be a hell alot of us have both slave & slave-owner in our ancestry

  • Lyly Sirivong

    You totally intended that.
    Alsø alsø wik.

  • Moebym of the Returners

    You know, if his family’s heritage includes SLAVE OWNERSHIP, maybe turning his back on that is the right thing to do.

    Also, in the same vein, would you tell descendants of Nazis who have disavowed their Nazi roots that they’re turning back on their families’ heritage? Of course not.

  • bluicebank

    And they say history never repeats itself.

    “Confederate submarine crew killed by their own weapon”

    “The H.L. Hunley, the first combat submarine to sink an enemy ship, also
    instantly killed its own eight-man crew with the powerful explosive
    torpedo it carried, according to new research from a Duke University
    Ph.D. in biomedical engineering.”

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/08/170823140703.htm

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      Three times. It killed its crew three times.

    • bluicebank

      This is the sort of thing that happens when you don’t believe in science.

      “The sub’s design was known to be precarious. During development and
      testing, the Hunley had sunk twice, drowning 13 crewmen including its
      namesake, Horace L. Hunley, a privateer who had the submarine built from
      an old ship’s boiler in Alabama in 1863.”

      OF COURSE. And yet, they persisted.

      • UncleTravelingMatt

        Why the hell would you get in it the third time? That’s Southern heritage for you, I guess.

        • bluicebank

          They heard it would piss off liberals.

          • UncleTravelingMatt

            You are a national fucking treasure.

    • YoBunnyBunny

      Is this a metaphor for something?

      • bluicebank

        Or an allegory.

  • Picabo

    My outrage meter just broke.
    “Following his “raucous, racist, hate-filled rally” in Arizona last night, CNN’s Kaitlyn Collins reports that the White House has prepared talking points to excuse Donald Trump’s imminent pardon of convicted criminal Joe Arpaio, “including one about how Arpaio has served his country for 50 years.”
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/23/1692602/-Arpaio-pardon-would-be-a-presidential-endorsement-of-racism-and-white-supremacy

    • BadKitty904

      Joe Arpaio has never served anyone other than Joe Arpaio.

      • DirtyHippyLiberal

        If memory serves correctly, he was never even in law enforcement before becoming sheriff! I despise that man.

        • BadKitty904

          He’s worked VERY hard to be especially despiseable.

        • Ωbjectifier

          Before becoming Sheriff he retired from the DEA where he was known as “Nickel Bag Joe” for his penchant for making small-time drug busts. He was never a certified Peace Officer in Arizona.

    • TJ Barke

      Joe Arpaio is a criminal.

    • Dampnut is going to pardon Joe Fuckstick because, and I say this often, he has heard of him on TeeVee.

  • OrG

    The fact that these fuck ups have ANY support from the public is troubling.

  • jesterpunk

    We need some music to clean this place up after the mess the GOP are making.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU4mqvGw-wY

    • Gayer Than Thou

      OK, but not that song. That song is the canned clams of pop music.

      • jesterpunk

        Got a better song in mind? I am just listening to the Muppets soundtrack now.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Trump is playing the game as well. He did mention “heritage” when moaning about the poor statues being moved.

    • YoBunnyBunny

      New Yawk City Con Artist talks about Confederate “heritage”???

      Riiiiiight…

    • BadKitty904

      Trump is the son of a racist war-profiteer/slumlord and the grandson of a Bavarian pimp.

      That is his heritage.

      • Kooolest G

        a bavarian pimp who came to america to dodge the draft, cowardice runs in the family

      • Latverian Diplomat

        The Malevolent Minge Merchant of München.

      • SayItWithOtters

        Don’t forget about the trampy Scottish maid for a mom.

  • Beanz&Berryz

    Oh, and as for the reiteration… What was the first iteration of their denouncing racism in all forms?

  • clubseal

    Today I made the mistake of engaging with someone on Facebook who had posted some thing ranting about ESPN “pulling” a sportscaster named Robert Lee from announcing at a Virginia college basketball game this weekend – without any context, of course.

    The poster was crying and whining about political correctness, and how he wasn’t going to watch ESPN anymore, and I decided to look into the story. Turns out that Robert Lee (who is of Asian descent) reportedly agreed with ESPN that there might be some kind of danger at the Virginia game, so he was rescheduled to announce another game that day.

    I can’t speak to the wisdom of the decision, but it didn’t at all appear to be “P.C. run amok” so much as “maybe we can avoid problems if we do this.” I just wanted to add that nugget of information to the discussion, and was of course treated to screeds about how political correctness is ruining everything, with some even admitting that they didn’t even bother reading anything about the story – openly stating that regardless of what that particular story was about, they just know our society is rotting from the inside out because of political correctness.

    I did at least tell them I wasn’t there to argue whether there’s merit in whining about political correctness, but I’m sure that it went over their heads that that was a shot at their poor offended feelings.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      I think the problem was not so much that they did it, but that they made a big deal about it. That’s what got the poutrage machine going.
      I mean, he was going to cover the Virginia vs. William & Mary game – not exactly a Top 25 must-see matchup – and they instead are going to have him cover the equally mediocre Youngstown State-Pittsburgh matchup. Plus you can blame Tucker Carlson’s House Of Gibbering Gastropods for turning the story into one where the “hyper-PC” ESPN pulled this poor man from the assignment.

      • clubseal

        One of the reasons I responded at all was that people were making it sound like the guy was pulled from the assignment, maybe even fired. He’s literally just covering a different game, for fuck’s sake.
        If nobody had said anything, you’re right: It probably wouldn’t have made it to the Rightwing Offense Circle Jerk.

      • cmd resistor

        I guess they thought it being in Charlottesville might be an issue. But of course it will give wingnuts something to yell about.

        • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

          It’s the usual corporate fear that someone, somewhere will be offended if they left it alone. So they Bigfooted a decision and ended up pissing off everyone.

          • clubseal

            They could have just purposefully changed the on screen info to read “Rabert Leo” and claim ignorance later.

            I expect my PR job offer from ESPN any day now.

    • Kooolest G

      and the fox nation is having a field day with it, these are the top 3 stories on their website

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/284e2f9c41a4d47c3d9787cf7cbea08f8eae54b29d14ce28b343e35b1b793327.png

    • Mr. Blobfish

      It seems pretty dumb to me. It’s not like Charlie Hitler was gonna call the game.

      • clubseal

        Now I want to change my last name to bin Laden and become a NASCAR announcer.

        If only I could stand watching car racing.

    • cmd resistor

      Well, it made Wingnut Bro’s FB page. Along with many posts about statutes and people who are too easily offended.

      • clubseal

        With no self awareness at all, I’d gather.

        • cmd resistor

          He’s generally offended by people who are offended. And, now a Civil War Expert, also, too.

          • clubseal

            Remember the Gettysburg!

  • Tom Mears

    The Eastern Shore of Virginia (where Northam and my family come from) has an interesting Civil War history. It’s very different than the rest of Virginia. The Shore was occupied by the union shortly after the start of the war. This kept farming on the shore supplying DC vs the confederacy. There were no major battles, no looting or burning of government buildings or farms. For all practical purposes the Eastern Shore remained a part of the Union for the duration of the war.

    • DirtyHippyLiberal

      That is very interesting. How far inland did the occupation extend?

      • proudgrampa

        Not far enough…

    • altleftjohn
      • Msgr_MΩment

        Gurney Halleck was a fine swordsman, but General?

    • Latverian Diplomat

      The Eastern Shore of Virginia is a triumph of surveying over common sense.

    • SayItWithOtters

      And no Biblically-literate Yankee ever got around to renaming the charming beachside community of Onancock?

      • Tom Mears

        they missed Assawoman Bay also…

      • Tom Mears

        they missed Assawoman Bay also

      • Tom Mears

        they missed A$$awoman bay also, apparently spelling it out correctly gets auto censored ;-)

  • altleftjohn

    I tried to tell the VAGOP to fire Homer Stokes.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J581XFa9ec0

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      Every time I hear “culture and heritage” I think of the Klan rally scene.

  • GoutMachine
  • Lyly Sirivong

    I’ll be happy with just half a bar, thanks.
    https://twitter.com/FT/status/900429954386731008

    • BadKitty904

      If I saw what is running this country, I’d be closing down my American bank accounts, too.

    • jowgajen

      Finding value in gold bars shoved in a vault for decades/centuries is right up there with the benevolent sky god.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “We think we might need these…just a hunch.”

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      I just read a trash novel about this. They’re all fake. The real stuff is in a private vault owned by the Koch Brothers under a small town in Nevada.

  • Joe Beese

    If I do win the Powerball tonight, I’m going to buy Wonkette with my millions of Ameros so that we can finally have commenting here.

    • TJ Barke

      Respect are heritage of no comments!

      • BadKitty904

        <– looks for his tiki torch

        • Riley Whodat Venable

          Just follow the Citronella aroma.

      • OneYieldRegular

        There is an impressive no-commenting statue, but I can’t tell you where it is, nor can you see it.

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      Would you also take over the liberal conspiracy to do whatever it is we do? Soros is a deadbeat.

    • CindyinEncinitas

      Don’t tell anybody. Make it a surprise.

    • CeeQ

      And can we please also finally get to have nice things and those cakes we like?

  • William
    • I feel like everyone who has both the traitor rag and the ‘murrican flag in the same pic should probably get a good slap to the back of the head until they realize their mistake.

      • GoutMachine

        Not sure anyone has the arm/hand strength for an eternity of slapping.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          not sure they have mental strength to realize their mistake.

  • Mavenmaven

    How it sounded at the GOP when they typed their apology: “We apologize *snicker snicker* and reiterate our denunciation *pffft* of racism in all its forms *gufffaw* *ROFL*”

  • Werewolf

    I am the direct descendant of at least two soldiers in the Confederate Army. I’m glad they survived the war, but I do not honor their service-there was nothing honorable about rebelling against their country in order to preserve slavery (which wouldn’t even have benefited them, they were dirt farmers). They chose the wrong side-that’s not a heritage which I can embrace.

    • TJ Barke

      Were they volunteers or conscripts?

      • Werewolf

        Don’t know. The story goes, though, that my great-great-great granddaddy walked barefoot from Appomattox back home to North Carolina.

        • CindyinEncinitas

          My great-great grandfather was a volunteer but him and 3 of his brothers were in the Brush Battalion in Northern Texas. It was a collection of deserters, guys who were AWOL and guys who were hiding “in the brush” because they didn’t want to fight. One of the brothers ended up dying in Andersonville Prison and I know one got killed in battle. I don’t know what happened to my ancestor but I know he survived the war.

    • CindyinEncinitas

      I am directly descended from soldiers on both sides. Should I hate myself in the day and love myself at night, or…?

    • Manders

      I had a long argument with my parents over the whole statue-removal thing. They pointed out that some of the people who went to war for the South were kids who didn’t really understand what they were fighting for. And I agreed that was sad and not their fault, and then pointed out:
      1) none of those kids are alive anymore;
      2) none of those kids have statues;
      3) if you are relative of one of those kids, nobody is asking you to put away their picture, burn their letters, or bury their keepsakes. We just don’t think the leaders of the rebellion should have big ol’ statues on public property.

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        well said.

  • Me not sure

    My family name was strongly associated with slave owning. Michael Fassbinder’s character in “12 Years A Slave” shared my family name as do many black families for obvious reasons. I wouldn’t have crossed the street to piss on any of my slave owning ancestors should they have been on fire.

  • Beanz&Berryz

    “All its forms” is the AOT,K denunciation of racism… Thoughtful. Heartfelt.

    • OrG

      Both sides do it!

      • Beanz&Berryz

        Many sides… Pro, con, anti-pro, anti-con, so many, many sides…

        • CindyinEncinitas

          Really good sides.

          • GoutMachine

            The best sides.

    • CindyinEncinitas

      …you know, denunciation of racism an shit…

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    Come see Vïrgïniä, With the loveli lakes, a wonderful Twitter system And mani interesting furry animals Including the majestic Rëpüblïcän dööfüs.

    • GoutMachine

      Virginia is for løvers.

    • LesBontemps

      A Rëpüblïcän dööfüs once bit my sister … No realli!

  • GoutMachine

    Oh, Jeebus H.:

    During a recent interview on an Arkansas radio station, Rep. Rick Crawford (R-AK) seconded President Trump’s opposition to taking down Confederate monuments, and characterized those who want to remove tributes to white supremacy from public areas as wanting to “sanitize history and make it politically correct so that everybody can breathe easy and not feel any level of offense.

    “At what point are we gonna shut down the Holocaust Museum?”

    https://thinkprogress.org/rick-crawford-confederate-monuments-global-history-sanitation-movement-that-will-shutter-holocaust-museum-46de37b96a51/

    • TJ Barke

      The point, he missed it.

      • Thiazin Red

        He missed the point so much, he and the point aren’t even in the same time zone anymore.

      • Zombishroom

        The point is on the hood in his closet.

        • CindyinEncinitas

          His soul is lost in the “Mountain Time Zone.”

      • BadKitty904

        Missed it or simply doesn’t give a rat’s ass? YOU decide!!1!

      • Villago Delenda Est

        The point sped past him at close to the speed of light.

    • BadKitty904

      Shutting down the Republican Congress would be of more immediate and practical use. Obviously.

    • Joe Beese

      If the murdered Jews come back to life and enslave people, by all means.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      Why, it’s almost as if they don’t have any internal moral compass by which to judge right and wrong due to their disgusting racism.

    • ariel_gee_398

      Did he then talk about how bakers should have to make cakes for gay weddings even if they feel a level of offense at the thought of dudes getting married?

    • Manders

      Oh, did Anne Frank go to war to protect slavery? I must have missed that part of her 16-year life.

      Asshole.

      • ariel_gee_398

        And the Holocaust Museum is not a fucking CELEBRATION of the Holocaust.

        • Manders

          Zackly!

        • Rags

          Let’s put a museum on the Mall dedicated to an unvarnished record of the Confederacy’s treason.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      “Logic and practical information do not seem to apply here.”
      “You admit that?”
      “To deny the facts would be illogical, Doctor.”

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Trump says many things
    Most all of them are not true
    People are saying

    • altleftjohn

      Basho?

      • Mr. Blobfish

        Back from beyond the grave. Ssssh.

    • Many people are saying. And not just John Miller and John Barron.

  • Joe Beese

    In February, Mr. Baker fielded tough questions at an all-hands staff meeting about whether the newspaper’s reporting on Mr. Trump was too soft. Mr. Baker denied that notion, and he suggested that other newspapers had abandoned their objectivity about the president; he also encouraged journalists unhappy with the Journal’s coverage to seek employment elsewhere.

    But apprehensiveness in the newsroom has persisted. This month, Politico obtained and published a transcript of a White House interview with Mr. Trump conducted by Mr. Baker and several Journal reporters and editors. Unusually for an editor in chief, Mr. Baker took a leading role in the interview and made small talk with Mr. Trump about travel and playing golf.

    When Ivanka Trump, the president’s older daughter, walked into the Oval Office, Mr. Baker told her, according to the transcript, “It was nice to see you out in Southampton a couple weeks ago,” apparently referring to a party that the two had attended.

    The Wall Street Journal is owned by the media magnate Rupert Murdoch, who speaks regularly with Mr. Trump and recently dined with the president at the White House.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/23/business/media/wall-street-journal-editor-admonishes-reporters-over-trump-coverage.html

    • BadKitty904

      Has anyone ever accused the WSJ of being unbiased?

      • Villago Delenda Est

        The WSJ editorial board is a fetid swamp of greedy reactionary assholes, none of whom would be missed if a meteor blasted them away.

        • BadKitty904

          See?

      • ariel_gee_398

        Unreadable, but never unbiased.

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        Bite your tongue!

  • Mr. Blobfish

    My family hasn’t been in the country long enough to own slaves. My wife’s family were slaves.

    • jowgajen

      Mom’s side too recently immigrated from slovakia.

      Dad’s side *way* more complicated as they are from VA from the early days. Pretty sure his father’s family was too poor to own slaves, but my grandmother’s family likely did as much of central VA is named after that family. However, more recent generations, including my grandparents and great grandparents were ardent followers of a liberal version of Episcopalianism and deeply believe/d in civil rights and equality.

    • YoBunnyBunny

      My family were slaves… and judging by some of our bright skin tones, there were probably some Confederates up in the family tree because OBVIOUSLY! To hell with that confederate heritage bullshit.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      That’s what I thought, too, until I realized that every generation doubles your number of ancestors. Turns out that my dad’s “Canadian” family was roughly half from the U.S., many from Virginia. Some fled during the Revolutionary Way (and we have British government documents to prove it), others stuck around for a while.

      My mom’s side is mostly Slavic, and survived the Holocaust, but I can’t dig back that far because I no speaka da langwij.

  • GoutMachine

    Jeebus H. Christ part deux (and not at all surprising, really) – from a PPP poll:

    … Trump voters say they would rather have Jefferson Davis as President than Barack Obama 45/20. Obama wins that question 56/21 with the overall electorate.

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/08/trump-holds-steady-after-charlottesville-supporters-think-whites-christians-face-discrimination.html

  • Joe Beese

    Don’t believe that Fake News about Trump cussing him out!

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DH8gx6MW0AQVGgc.jpg

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    The apology became fodder for a new round of critiques, of course

    https://m.popkey.co/bd2528/861zw.gif

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    Dumbass Cop: “How long until they start pulling down statues of Jesus?”
    Me: “Did Jesus take up arms against the government of the United States?”
    DC: “Your argument doesn’t even make any sense!”

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      I think we’re going to need more clue-by-fours.

      • Ωbjectifier

        Clue-by-fours. Totally stealing that.

    • The Militant Homosexual Agenda

      How many statues of Jesus are on government property, FFS? Really, a DC asked you that?

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      Was your response, neither does yours?

      ETA: Matt, yours did of course, I fired off a reply too quickly. You know what I meant.
      ; P

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      To be fair, right after Trump posited that we would start tearing down statues of George Washington next, the University of Washington students started clamoring to do exactly that.

  • Joe Beese

    The New York Times describes us and Saudi Arabia bombing Yemen into the world’s largest humanitarian crisis as keeping it under our “close watch”.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/79d46be080e4647303a063fce730c95ec46826b7840048cfbfbd81a266709954.png

    • OutOfOrbit

      “bomb the shit out of’em, i don’t care

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      Great question. Maybe the Iraqis know.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      They’re brown right? No problem!

      • Joe Beese

        We haven’t had the courage to bomb white people since Bill Clinton.

      • Three Finger Salute

        The Yemeni are less important because they don’t have a petromonarchy.

  • Moebym of the Returners

    Severe thunderstorms. May have to turn the computer off for a while just in case.

    • BadKitty904

      Hunker down!

  • Joe Beese

    Crisis management consultant Risa Heller has dropped Kushner Companies, the family real estate company of President Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner, as a client, according to two sources familiar with the arrangement.

    Heller dropped the client earlier this week after representing the company for just over a year and a half — longer than many of her predecessors working in media relations with Charlie Kushner, a famously acerbic boss and convicted felon, have lasted in the job.

    The move came amid widespread outrage over Trump’s response to neo-Nazi and white nationalist protests in Charlottesville, Virginia.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/23/risa-heller-kushner-jared-241960

    • Kooolest G

      this might be a bad time for Javanka to be without a “crisis management consultant”

      • Joe Beese

        In recognition of their relative importance, I prefer “Ivared”.

    • Courser_Resistance

      Oooh, I think I read a book on crisis management by Heller while I was in grad school. LOL, Kushner & Co have basically done every-fucking-thing wrong in the crisis management department.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      “Look, I’m in the crisis management business, not the catastrophe management business.”

  • Picabo

    I never lived in NYC but I understand this has been the voice of the resistance for many years. I guess it will be all online now.
    https://twitter.com/grynbaum/status/900035162683080704

    • eyelashviper

      I lived blocks from the VV and one of my favorite pleasures was picking up the latest edition, and wandering into the Lions Head Tavern to read it and have lunch.

      • Thiazin Red

        Thats a hell of a wander isn’t it? Or am I thinking of different tavern?

        • eyelashviper

          The Lions Head was in the Village, closed in the late 90’s. It was the literary bar of the city, a really wonderful place.

          • Carpe Vagenda

            I met my husband there.

          • eyelashviper

            Nice! The good ole days. The Village was so wonderful, I lived near Richie Havens and used to see Allen Ginsburg often. The Lions Head was an exciting place, and had the best watercress salad in the world.

          • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

            That’s my neighborhood (post Allen Ginsburg)!

          • eyelashviper

            Great area, and it doesn’t change very much. Haven’t been back in a long time, but it always felt like home.

          • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

            You probably wouldn’t recognize much of it now: there’s luxury housing construction on nearly every block, and a huge chunk of 14th Street east of Avenue A has been knocked down to make way for retail development.

            Target and Trader Joe’s are almost here…

          • eyelashviper

            Very sad. The entire village, East and West, were full of wonderful old buildings, and the skyline was nicely free of high rises.
            We lived in a rent controlled apartment, separate bedroom and eat in kitchen, all in the heart of the Village. The same building today has rents of $3000 and up for the same kind of space.

          • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

            It must have been lovely!

            I got to the EV in ’89, and it was still a true neighborhood. I often had brunch at a local diner frequented by the late, great Quentin Crisp. We had an art collective on Ave. B (and we could actually afford to keep the lights on).

            Now it’s a lot of sports/specialty bars, NYU housing and high rises, but there are still a few hold-outs trying to keep it real.

            So it goes.

          • Carpe Vagenda

            Fun fact: relatives owned the bar with the jukebox in Howl.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      I used to work there. Not always.

    • Ms.Moon

      I loved the Village Voice I always got the paper when it came out when I went to college in Manhattan. I learned so much reading it every week I looked out for it.

  • I am beginning to think You’re So Vain should be the theme song for the Trump Administration.
    “Then you flew your Lear jet up to Nova Scotia
    To see the total eclipse of the sun
    Well you’re where you should be all the time
    And when you’re not you’re with
    Some underworld spy or the wife of a close friend
    Wife of a close friend, and…”
    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/900471225566334976

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      Well, that’s just fucking adorable.

    • ariel_gee_398

      Lexington does rhyme with sun…

    • The Militant Homosexual Agenda

      Carly Simon is a precog?

    • Three Finger Salute

      Fake news.

      Trump is only welcome in Canada under the top-grade supervisory capacity of the R.C.M.P.

      A security protocol that is so high-level and so severe, it hasn’t been applied in any dominion of the British commonwealth since medieval times.

      http://www.thepropgallery.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/f9b1b3b86a055a9d42aacc5a91a21a11/c/o/conairgg1.png

    • tomamitai

      I always heard that line as “Wife of a postman, wife of a postman and…”.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Um, I think Disqus ate the earlier comment I made, but by the fucking way:

    Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam holds a 7-point lead over his Republican opponent in Virginia’s governor’s race, according to a Roanoke College poll released Tuesday.

    tl;dr: GTFO, GOP.

  • BadKitty904

    Speaking of said monuments:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TfcJ82FAhw

  • Joe Beese

    Who needs them? Plenty more Jews where they came from!

    Four prominent Jewish groups announced Wednesday that they would not take part in what has become a yearly call between the President and hundreds of rabbis across the country ahead of the Jewish High Holidays of Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur in September.

    The groups specifically cited President Donald Trump’s statements following a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia on Aug. 12, saying in a statement that his remarks were “so lacking in moral leadership and empathy for the victims of racial and religious hatred that we cannot organize such a call this year.”

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/jewish-groups-pull-out-trump-call

    • Jamoche

      I’m sure the existence of that call came as a complete surprise to Donnie.

      • sarafina

        He’d probably already delegated it to Jared.

  • Ms.MLG on Maui

    The look on my face because it’s 2017, and
    people are still this fucking stupid. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9fd9daff92887fbb2b4cb439bfe030b82b5d9b948bd9caf7ba2c6259830ebf48.jpg

  • BadKitty904

    Aight, lemme go feed the livestock…

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Got something to anger up my blood so I have energy to work out, Kurt?

    https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/900382399426691073

    Thanks Kurt! BBL, Wonkers!

    • Joe Beese

      Who?

    • OutOfOrbit

      too bad

      • Joe Beese

        Got a live one here!

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          it’s what trump said when he heard the news.

    • CeeQ

      Of course. It’s only ever about him.

  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

    Right, we shouldn’t talk about getting a deranged lunatic with access to the world’s most destructive arsenal of weapons out of power. That’s just crazy talk…

    https://twitter.com/CNN/status/900477298398330884

    • DainBramage

      Not as dangerous as leaving Trump in the WH.

    • BadKitty904

      Define exactly HOW it’s dangerous, David. Be specific.

      • Joe Beese

        Well… you know. If people in power can be stripped of their power… it’ll be anarchy. I mean, how are people in power supposed to enjoy themselves if they can lose it?

        • BadKitty904

          (That’s pretty much exactly what I’d expect, if these veiled threats were ever called by the media)

    • Carpe Vagenda

      There’s something in it for him, no doubt. He’s such a piece of garbage.

    • tomamitai

      While I don’t want to dismiss the threat posed by the alt-reich, let’s not exaggerate it, either. The fact that the Charlottesville goose steppers came from all around the country doesn’t mean they have a huge, widespread base, it means that they had to draw from everywhere just to get enough to put on their display. The anonymity and ubiquity of the internet makes them seem more numerous than they are. The consequences that some have had to face for showing their faces and their true natures will likely give pause to those who may have sympathized with them, rather than give them “courage” to follow suit. This is a time to press forward with our positions, not to fall back in fear.

  • Katy Tur’s book on the Trump Campaign, Unbelievable, will be out in September. I can’t wait to read it.

    • This fall will be good for reading

      • Let’s be honest, anytime is a good time for reading.

        • True, but a bounty of choices are a’comin!

        • Latverian Diplomat

          Oddly enough, a sentiment most often expressed during public service ads on children’s television. :)

          • Three Finger Salute

            We still have PSAs and kids’ educational TV?

            Wait — We still have anything in America that encourages literacy?

          • Latverian Diplomat

            Oh, probably not. I’m, ahem, a bit distant from that age bracket any

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸
    • Three Finger Salute

      Canada already replaced their genocidal drunkard of a founder on the currency with a black female civil rights activist. (Cue the YouTube hate machine’s kneejerk homophobic insults at Trudeau because Viola Desmond was an actress and makeup artist who founded her own version of Mary Kay specifically for women of color.) Tubman’s future on the $20, unfortunately, is in limbo as long as we have Assmouth fapping over Bloody-Bloody Andrew Jackson and wanting to continue his legacy. The only difference being, Jackson had a parrot that echoed his “fowl”-mouthed racist chatter… while Trump has the Twitter bird.

  • I had the option of going for a healthy swim. I chose to sit in the hot tub for 25-ish minutes. I feel good about this choice

    • Unless it is Steve Bannon’s hot tub. Then you should get out as fast as you can.

    • Jonny On Maui

      As you should…

  • amrak63

    Miind yuu, mo/o/se biits ken bi virri nastii…

  • Thiazin Red

    What are people reading? I finished Hidden Family and moved onto Queen of Blood by Sarah Beth Durst. I liked her other YA novels, and honestly I have no idea why the publisher says this one is adult. Its a YA novel, which isn’t an insult, YA novels can be good and serious.

    I still wish the publisher of one of her other books The Lost hadn’t gone bankrupt. It was the start of a trilogy, and although it stands on its own perfectly well, knowing that the other two books are printed and just sitting in a warehouse somewhere is annoying.

    • Antonin Dvorak

      I am reading through Hitchhiker’s Guide and then I have a Pratchett book on deck. Plus whatever is the next book in the SPQR series.

      • Thiazin Red

        Which Pratchett?

        • Antonin Dvorak

          A book called “Going Postal” it is about the Discworld Post Office racing against a company that has signal lantern towers setup across the country. I have no idea where it falls in the larger Discworld saga, but it sounds interesting.

          • Thiazin Red

            I’m not sure either, it could be one of the more stand alone ones.

          • Tishalicious

            No, it’s just one of the newer ones; with the main cast sort of one-off characters, like the newspaper book. It has a pretty decent BBC adaptation

          • Thiazin Red

            Right, its got one of the guys from Coupling. Dance is a pretty perfect choice to play Vetinari.

            Sigh, I wish Vetinari was our ruler.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      I’m about to start Escape to Pirate Island, a lesbian adventure romance. I haven’t read anything else by Niamh Murphy so I don’t know what to expect, but I couldn’t resist swashbuckling, treasure-hunting lesbians in the 1720s.

    • OutOfOrbit

      most re-read here include Robison Caruso & Treasure Island

    • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

      I’m reading American War by Omar El Akkad about the future 2nd civil war (Yeah, I know, too close to reality in some ways). I’m alternating that with P C Hodgell’s latest book in her Kencyrath fantasy series The Gates of Tagmeth. Next up China Mieville’s history of the Russian Revolution October.

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      I’m reading a biography of James Longstreet and a real page-turner called Alcohol Metabolism, Alcohol Intolerance, and Alcoholism: Biochemical and Pharmacogenetic Approaches by some dude who thinks alcohol can be bad for people.

  • Joe Beese

    “Please understand, Mr. President, that the nation has many pressing…”

    “I want my wall and I want it NOW!”

    President Donald Trump’s vow Tuesday to close down the government if he doesn’t get money for the border wall mirrors private comments he has made to advisers in recent days — and could cause significant rifts within his own party if he follows through. …

    Trump has told his advisers he will not accept a deal on other issues without money for the wall “and it has to be real money,” said one senior White House official. …

    He hasn’t identified specific amounts of money that he wants, but he seeks “enough to really start building it,” said one person who spoke to him last weekend.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/23/trump-republicans-border-wall-241931

    • Thiazin Red

      And of course all his followers don’t give a shit that hes gone from saying Mexico will pay, to saying we will pay.

      • Joe Beese

        When I trolled someone on Dead Breitbart about that, they insisted that there are “many ways” of making Mexico pay without their writing a check.

        I was going to challenge them to name one that had achieved one millimeter of legislative progress, but I got banned before I had the chance.

        • kareemachan

          Amazingly, I still haven’t been banned, but I only go there once in a while. The last time was to laugh at Breitfart for using a soccer star’s photo as a drug smuggler.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      He wants to be equitable to the other folks in the federal government by not paying them, either.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      we need to just keep repeating clips of him saying “mexico would pay for it. Believe me.”

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      Hmmmm. And yet, after the transcript of his embarrassing phone conversation with Mexican president Peña Nieto was released, his own supporters were saying the wall was “only a metaphor.”

      I haz a confuse.

      • Three Finger Salute

        I miss this.

        https://anonimag.es/i/d728b7d616d04e2b82542bab13e304d1.gif

        Barack: “Wait, how many potatoes are we up to?”
        Justin: “Potatoes? What happened to paper and scissors?”

        Enrique: “Guys, guys — that’s not how we do the Macarena…”

        • sarafina

          I miss having an intelligent adult as president.

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      When the government shuts down and USA bonds are worthless, be sure to use your last few ameros to send Susan Sarandon a thank you note.

      • Moebym of the Returners

        She’ll be somewhere in Europe by then, away from the consequences.

    • guppy06

      President Veruca.

    • sarafina

      Can’t Congress, should they fall over a bunch of spines, keep that nonsense from happening?

  • Gee, Your Hair Smells Horrific

    WAIT I AM CONFUSED LINCOLN WAS REPUBLICAN FAUGHT CONFDERATE ARMY SHOULDNT REPUBLICANS WANT REMOVAL OF STATUES???
    DIDNT DEMOCRATS START KKK???
    DINESH ARE YOU THERE WHAT DO YOU SAY???

  • cmd resistor
    • sarafina

      But Texas women have to buy a separate abortion insurance policy in case their daughter gets raped.

      • cmd resistor

        Well it was a commie i guess federal judge.

  • Suse

    Grrr… I can’t even today. People are so fucking stoopid!!!

    • BadKitty904

      But Hump Day is over, Ma! It’s allllllllllll down hill to the weekend now!!1!

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/294ea4b439fd4673dd00394b7609355e3c55c1ca39a9aa132c0398f82ce7a863.gif

      • Suse

        Wow – that’s some energy!

        • BadKitty904

          Hey, weekends are pretty exciting.

      • Why did someone give that kitty uppers?

        • BadKitty904

          He’s high on Life, thank you very much.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Yeah, had some dumb ones today as well. “No, when we say you can’t volunteer with us because you’re on probation that doesn’t just mean on probation in the State of Nevada. It means on probation anywhere in the U.S.”

      • Jon Sussex

        What about double secret probation?

    • altleftjohn

      This reinforces my theory that people are idiots. Perhaps we could collaborate on a paper.

      • Suse

        Or at least a newsletter.

        • sarafina

          Hoe about a catchy bumper sticker?

    • President in Exile Firefly

      “Why did so many Civil War battles take place in national parks?”

  • Rags

    Didn’t see it below, but this should be posted periodically in this thread – amirite?

    https://youtu.be/SII-jhEd-a0

    • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

      Best. Credits. Ever.

    • altleftjohn

      All rise for national anthem

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸
    • Canis Greyhame

      He has full confidence in Senator McConnell, I’m sure.

      • Suse

        I sure hope there’s a tape of all the swears Drumpy said to the Empty Shell.

      • BadKitty904

        No doubt Donnie’s going to pray for him.

    • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

      Looks like Trump is going in for a kiss! He’s already grabbing the pussy! Must be sky-high on tic-tacs!

    • Suse

      The reports of their escalating feud are coming from WITHIN THE WH!!!

      • Carpe Vagenda

        Do we know someone with inside information who might have an axe to grind who POTUS can’t sue for violating his confidentiality agreement without admitting the stories are true?

        • Suse

          Good question.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      “United”? Like the airline that drags its customers out of their seats?

      • Suse

        They spelled “untied” wrong.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    It just occurred to me that Trump apparently fears getting tanning spray anywhere near his eyes, but he’s not afraid to stare directly at the sun. Priorities, I guess.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      he has more experience with the former than the later.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      I saw this earlier today. That’s green undercoat around his eyes, and it’s used under industrial-strength foundation to cancel red. He must have a face like a poxy lobster under all those layers of paint.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7a32a1f99388aec4a50b64facd31d9eaf50ec908224412fdfb2cb18745985577.jpg

      • Latverian Diplomat

        Weird. “I’d rather be in the uncanny valley than look like a 70 year old coke head” is the trade off, I guess?

        • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

          Either that or a longstanding case of Rosacea

          • Latverian Diplomat

            There you go, being all charitable…

  • Portia McGonagal

    Just like their dear leader, they assume everyone is as stupid as their base and don’t know water’s wet:

    When he wants to tear down monuments dedicated to those killed in action and wounded during the war, he is literally talking about a member of his own family.”

    ZOMG! Dr, Northam clearly didn’t know that he was talking about a member of his own family until the GOP told him! I mean he’s only IN the family after all.

  • Picabo
  • Suse

    I have ancestors who fought on both sides, proof positive that both sides do it.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      My american relatives were on the Union side, but my italian great-great-grandfather was impressed off the boat by the Confederates and sent to guard the Texas border.

      • I thought that was Sean Hannity’s job?

      • Suse

        Some of my ancestors were slave owners and probably some of the Germans fought for Mr. Hilter. On the positive side, my grandpa told the Klan to fuck off when they tried to recruit him.

    • Amy!

      I have ancestors on both sides who managed to avoid serving. The southern ones got looted pretty good, though (by desperate rebels retreating from the union advance).

  • Joe Beese
  • I don’t always love Ralph, but this one is right on the nose. https://twitter.com/Eldomiche/status/900310663884615681

    • Carpe Vagenda

      Hey, Ralph. I got one simple way for you.

      • Perkniticky

        Go back in time and erase himself from a certain election?

        • Carpe Vagenda

          I was going to say choose the least-bad option, but sure. Go back in time and convince Susan Sarandon to support Reagan would also be an acceptable choice.

      • therblig

        it’s no use, he wouldn’t try driving my corvair either.

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      Stupid, facile bullshit. Take responsibility for the damage YOU did to your country Ralph. Until you are willing to do that, go fuck yourself.

  • Canis Greyhame

    Science envoy, Daniel Kammen, sees the Arts Council resignation letter secret message, and raises:
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/23/politics/science-envoy-impeach-resignation-letter/index.html

    • sarafina

      I thought that sounded nice.

  • Ezio
    • theCryptofishist

      Consistency is the hobgoblin of Soros Lie-Bull-uls.

  • LadyLaz

    My grandfather’s line is first Virginia. As in pre-revolutionary. And yes, slave owners.

    A man born in 1899 he turned his back on white supremacy and the confederacy, living abroad most of his life.

    I, my family, each of us has turned our back on the kkk, white supremacy, Lee, Jackson, and Stuart.

    • Perkniticky

      In a normal country this would become easier with every generation.

    • grindstone

      FFV, are you? Here’s the thing I see: the south has risen again. There is industry, tourism, banking, and agriculture (Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, Tampa, Charlotte, Raleigh, Birmingham, Huntsville, Nashville….). What hasn’t risen and what won’t rise are the uneducated, confederate flag-waving knuckleheads. And they insist on voting in regressive right-wingers who will keep them uneducated, and unhealthy, and unemployable. They drag the minorities they despise down with them, unfortunately, but just so long as they have someone to blame for “taking away what’s theirs”.

  • Joe Beese
    • TJ Barke

      The cancer is no longer in remission.

    • JoeChristmas

      Fake News from the failing NYT

    • theCryptofishist

      Scuffles is the name of my cat. Or maybe my harpsichord duet–I’m hazy on details.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    ♬♪♫
    I hear the racists comin’ they’re all around the bend
    They have made up my base since I don’t know when
    Well I’m stuck in Air Force One and time keeps dragging on
    While my fake approval ratings keep a rollin’ down
    Well when I was just a baby my mama told me son
    Always get their money, and run, baby run
    Well I made a speech in Reno just to spew some bile
    And I hear that crowd a cheerin’ I’ll be here for a while
    ♬♪♫

  • Ezio
    • theCryptofishist

      But he was still alive then. So… maybe… (let me think about this…) maybe he was… false wildebeest?

    • Bobathonic

      Who?

    • FUN FACT: The fence you see in that image? It’s still there, enclosing Bowling Green Park in lower Manhattan.

      • The Wanderer

        Is that where the Massacre happened?

    • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

      And my favorite from WWII, accomplished without permits!
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTodK24KG6E

  • Riley Whodat Venable

    Thanks Dok.

  • BadKitty904

    Aight, time to start a-fixin’ supper. Laters, you people…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rbjLjvd-T8

  • Joe Beese
  • shivaskeeper

    Well. This is good info to have. I had a grandmother who was an avowed Nazi. Not a Soldier, mind you, but a German civilian Nazi. Until this moment I was under the impression that not only did I have to acknowledge she was in fact a Nazi, bit I had to support her Nazi beliefs.

    Thanks to the Virginia GOP’s clarification and not-pology I realize I don’t have to advocate for her Nazi beliefs. Thank you Virginia GOP. /s

    • theCryptofishist

      I forgot I’m supposed to be speaking Polish, as a part of my rich heritage of Polish ancestors. So many ancestors I’m not honoring.

      • It’s OK. I’d have to be speaking Welsh, Irish Gaelic, Swedish, along with a few others I’m sure are in my ancestry. None of which I do speak, and to be honest, I think I’ll continue dishonoring all my ancestry. I’m a terrible person.

        • theCryptofishist

          Well, German, and if I go far enough back, Hebrew. And maybe even some sort of Russian. (Empire times, who knows who spoke what when then.) But not Yiddish. Which is kinda sad, I have a bastard affection for Yiddish.

      • UncleTravelingMatt

        You wouldn’t believe how long it’s been since I killed a Campbell or stole any Buchanan cattle.

      • (((fka_donnie_d)))

        Yea I was born in Soviet Russia, I should be robbing banks like Uncle Joe

        • theCryptofishist

          He would do just about anything to support hte revolution.

          • (((fka_donnie_d)))

            No, he literally robbed banks. Lenin was too scared of him to tell him to stop.

          • theCryptofishist

            Yes. But I thought Lenin didn’t tell him stop because he wanted the money for the revolution. And that big job, in the town otherwise known as Tablespoon, that was Army payroll, wasn’t it?

          • (((fka_donnie_d)))

            No, according to Conquest (my go-to guy on Stalin) Lenin was in a can’t-live-with-him-can’t-live-without-him situation. He thought the bank robberies were sketchy af, but he didn’t consider any other party member capable of keeping shit together in the Caucasus and picking a fight with Stalin’s supporters was an extremely bad idea.

          • theCryptofishist

            As was pretty much proven in the 1930s.

    • Persistent Demme

      And I don’t have to be a grape/raisin-grower in Fresno, CA!
      Whew!
      Way too hot!

      And I don’t have to speak Portuguese, or German, or wear a kilt, or whatever the “guy-my-great-grandma-met-behind-the-barn” was into.

      • theCryptofishist

        Meeting old ladies behind barns, mostly. You might want to do genetic testing before getting married, because maybe he met your sweetie’s ggmother behind that barn also, too.

        • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

          We’ve accounted for that science in The South. You are separated enough if you share Great Grand’s. It’s the shared Grands that are the problem.

    • Red Bird

      I’m glad I don’t have to return to the rain forest.

    • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

      I am so confused! Do I honor the white GGF who was a rapist or the NA GGF who sent all five half black children to college? Help me, oh white supremacist leader!

    • grindstone

      I have a great uncle who was a bootlegger and one who was a Methodist minister. We don’t talk about the minister much, of course.

  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

    Well, guess it was a reasonably quiet protest today.

    https://twitter.com/RileySnyder/status/900473160469856256

    • Suse

      How many were inside? I imagine it was the yuuugest crowd in the history of the world!

      • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

        Biggest American Legion convention that Trump’s ever spoke to! (Also the only one, but that won’t come up.)

        • Three Finger Salute

          Trump is an American Lesion.

      • I’ve seen photos of the event. The hall was pretty empty. All the crowd shots you see were taken from the very back of the crowd, so the view was filled with people. Turn around, and there’s just as much if not more of the hall that’s empty.

    • Bozilingus

      I was afraid tRump would shoot a man, just to watch him die.

      • theCryptofishist

        I don’t think there’s a Fifth Avenue in Reno. Can I offer him Moran Avenue?

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Only 200 gallons of pepper spray and tear gas dispensed.

  • Thiazin Red

    I’m excited for Little Evil on Netflix.

    I’m a total sucker for a horror comedy. Little Evil is from the same people who made Tucker and Dale vs Evil, which I loved. It has Adam Scott as the dad in a parody of evil child horror movies.

    • When?!?!?! I love Tucker and Dale and Adam Scott!

      • Thiazin Red

        The first. I’m going to watch the hell out of it.

        • Going on my caleandar now! I will be all over that like a fat kid on a Smartie

          • theCryptofishist

            Ooooh, Canuck slang.

          • Tishalicious

            Ohhhh, that makes so much more sense. The US smartie is a powdery pez-like horror.

    • Suse

      When?

  • La forza del resistino

    I was once a Virginia Slim. Then I discovered beer and bbq.

    • theCryptofishist

      Now you’re Virginia Happy?

      • (((fka_donnie_d)))

        Virginia Big Boned

        • Bobathonic

          A Virginia ham?

          • (((fka_donnie_d)))

            That’s a ham radio operator from Fredericksburg.

          • Bobathonic

            Hey! That’s where I am!

        • CindyinEncinitas

          Virginia Full Growed.

      • La forza del resistino

        the joy of belly laughs never felt better.

    • I was also a Virginia Slim . . . until I discovered Chesapeake Bay oysters and crabs.

  • theCryptofishist

    So, if I try and behave in a polite and reasonable manner, as if people were their own selves, and shouldn’t be manipulated, then I’m turning my back on that one grandmother and that one great-grandmother who were bitches and monsters? How does VA-GOP feel about canned clams?

  • Story about Australian anti-marriage equality group stealing a Meghan Trainor song for an anti-marriage equality add. Bad taste in so many ways.
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/lol-people-are-crazy?utm_term=.tiJqeprYYn#.pwyGgb477V

    • Three Finger Salute

      “Sheesh! How many calendars of the current year did I send Other Commonwealth Country already?” -Justin Trudeau

  • Ezio

    Why is the idea of white people owning up to their brutal history and not being racist jackasses terrify these guys so much?

    • jowgajen

      We would have to acknowledge our brutal present, and that’s just too much.

    • OutOfOrbit

      thats admitting your family was the losers, ergo your a loser

    • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

      That would mean owning up to that fact that they got played for suckers.
      As Booker T Washington, founder of Tuskegee Institute, famously said, “You can’t hold a man down without staying down with him.”
      True fact ~ Tuskegee Institute became Tuskegee University when the Alabama lege tried to cut off state funds by stating that those funds could only be used by “universities”. Yes, semantics. It galls oh so many of those peckerwoods to see so many uppity Negroes are produced right there in their own backyard.
      https://www.tuskegee.edu/discover-tu/why-choose-tu/quick-facts

  • Michael R

    Things you see on the internets when you’re looking for something else …

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f8eb631766d7de0e3e8aa4dc8a6324b89252226c481fe9f28a3d005c41a38a56.jpg

    • Msgr_MΩment

      To be fair, that might be a giant teaspoon, or it might be a not-quite-as-giant tablespoon.

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    • Suse

      Darn – I thought someone else actually left.

      • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

        Few are left.

    • tomamitai

      Has that phrase overtaken “release the Kraken” yet?

  • Ezio

    “Ralph Northam has turned his back on his family’s heritage by defending monument removal”. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f239b76efa327d6333e7dd06d936fb18641b1e9a6c89de16cfee379269a4547f.jpg

  • Royal Ugly Alt-Leftist

    Racist moose bites can be pretti nasti, mind you.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Very natsi…

  • therblig

    back in the 60’s the National Conference of Christians and Jews released a PSA featuring the Youngbloods version of “Get Together”.

    Just saw it used in a fucking Walmart commercial. It deserves better.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsxVGb2d9dw

    • Courser_Resistance

      Nothing is sacred anymore

    • covfefesumgame0005

      if I recall correctly Michael Jackson had a HUGE pile of of rights to tons of songs and when he died they were sold off (by his greedy assed dad? no idea, but sold to a greedy ass nonetheless)and this kind of shit began happening to all sorts of great songs. whoever gave him the hot shot not only killed him, they killed rock and roll!

      • Red Bird

        But Paul McCartney was able to buy the Beatles songs back.

        • Suse

          I wonder what he had to pay?

          • CindyinEncinitas

            Paul McCartney don’t give a shit about money.

          • Red Bird

            Paul can probably buy Wonkette and its comments.

          • Latverian Diplomat

            I don’t know, buying things that aren’t allowed gets pretty expensive, I hear.

          • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

            If you have to ask the price?

          • theCryptofishist

            Still, George spent his money the best.

      • tomamitai

        Did he own the rights to the recordings? I thought he only owned the publishing, which is a different thing.

        • covfefesumgame0005

          TBH I don’t know.

        • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

          Publishing, which he then sold to Sony to settle debts.

    • Red Bird

      That was a good song. I was born long after it was made but I used to hear it on the radio all the time.

    • tomamitai

      Not only was the music better back then, so was the stereo separation! I wonder if they did it that way to compensate for what was lost in the vinyl pressings?

    • Suse

      Nooooo!

    • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

      It’s sad when your music becomes Muzak.
      True fact – Sub Pop Records emerged from a group of guys whose day jobs were working for Muzak.

  • sarafina

    I don’t understand about the moose biting your sister, unless of course that happened, which would be very sad since moose have big teeth.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      “Why not try a holiday in Sweden this year?” It’s a reference to the opening credits of Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

      • sarafina

        Thanks!

        • WomanInThePersistence

          Sorry, I meant to post this. Which shows The. Best. Opening. Credits. Ever.
          Many people are starting to learn about them. ;)

          https://youtu.be/79TVMn_d_Pk

      • Msgr_MΩment

        Ah, but Finland has it all.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      They would rather bite Halloween pumpkins. Those are supposed to be a huge moose favorite. In Anchorage, leave your pumpkin out front and a moose will take care of it.

      • You mean if we sent Trump up to Alaska this long national nightmare could be over in one night?

        • tomamitai

          But a very unlucky moose would have a tummy ache.

        • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

          With votes.

    • Royal Ugly Alt-Leftist
  • The Wanderer

    Mind you, moose bites can be pretty nasty . . .

    • amrak63

      I see you translated it into proper English.

      • The Wanderer

        The right people will read it in the original.

        • amrak63

          Just be careful that the wrong people don’t sack you, and replace you with a llama.

          • The Wanderer

            I will insist upon being replaced by a guanaco!

          • amrak63

            Buenos tardes, amigos! I am Alejandro D. Alpaca! I regret to inform Ustedes that Amrak Sesenta y Tres has been, how do you say, bolsado, and I have been hired to replace him.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Did somebody say a llama?

            https://youtu.be/hBaUmx5s6iE

            (Yes I know it’s not Holy Grail, but this makes me laugh very hard.)

          • The Wanderer

            CUIDADO! LLAMAS!!!!11111!!!

          • tomamitai

            Every time I see the word “cuidado” that song plays in my head.

          • amrak63

            I suppose now, thanks to technical progress, the man now can make do with a much smaller MP3 player up his nose.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Where’s the beauty and romance in that?

          • amrak63

            Of course, I must now post this.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHNczNvOnGc

          • Covfefe of da thoughtless mind

            Look out! There are llamas!

          • CindyinEncinitas
          • WomanInThePersistence

            And very cute, also.

          • Msgr_MΩment

            I wouldn’t mind hanging out with the llama on the left.

          • CindyinEncinitas

            They’re alpacas. You can tell because they look way sillier than llamas.

          • CindyinEncinitas

            The one on the right is the smartest. The one on the left is the funniest. The one in the middle owes me five bucks.

          • Covfefe of da thoughtless mind

            They will hock a loogey on you.

          • CindyinEncinitas

            That’s why I don’t have pets.

    • I once dated a girl whose nickname was Moose. You are so right about those bites. ;-)

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    Darth does some of the best Photoswizzles on the Interwebs. I will broker no debate on this. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/26b10e0e94c357d26ec486bbf5dbe3a8e710529af4f9eb4912173f17b3181db9.jpg

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      He’s already well versed in laundering things.

      • Raan

        And if he needs help, he can always go to Jared.

  • amrak63

    If Wonkette had to pay royalties for references in comment threads, the owners would have been compelled simply to give the blog to the Pythons by now.

    • Tishalicious

      Or Rob Reiner…Princess Bride gets a lot of loves too

      • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

        This is Spinal Tap is second only to the Pythons for quotes-per-day in this household.

        • theCryptofishist

          Go all the way to eleven on that, do you?

          • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

            Most appropriate these days: “I”m sure I’d feel much worse if I weren’t under such heavy sedation.”

          • amrak63

            Well, I’ve been rehired. Alejandro D. Alpaca, my brief replacement, left to become the newest drummer for Spinal Tap.

            I’ve already started a memorial fund for Alejandro.

    • Raan

      I do my part to get Matt, Pat, Woolie, and Liam a piece of the action.

    • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

      I’ve been speaking Pythonese ever since I was a wee thing.

      I like to say they helped raise me.

      • armed_bears

        But I you got better?

    • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

      And Mel Brooks.

      And Steve Martin.

    • The Wanderer

      (tosses in some Goon Show love)

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      oh lord, they’d have to fight the makes of My Little Pony.

    • CindyinEncinitas

      Required:
      Monte Python and the Holy Grail
      Princess Bride
      Idiocracy
      Caddyshack
      Galaxy Quest
      Big Lebowski
      Dr. Strangelove

      • Jamoche

        Blazing Saddles
        Animal House

        • yyyaz

          Young Fronkensteen

      • Jonny On Maui

        Terry Pratchett and other various sci-fi and fantasy media…

        AOT,K!

      • armed_bears

        Wallace and Grommet

      • PTerry Pratchett
        Douglas Adams
        Star Wars

        • amrak63

          PTerry Pratchett?

          Any relation to Pterry Dactyl?

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        The Rocky Horror Picture Show

      • armed_bears

        Sarah Palin?

        • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

          *crickets*

      • Candy Matson Y-28209

        Huh, I don’t get any Monty Python references, I don’t think I’ve ever seen one all the way through. That doesn’t seem possible, given the rest of my faves, so I’m gonna have to give em a shot.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          Do. Monty Python and the Holy Grail is a good starting point, or gateway drug depending on your mindset.

      • SadDemInTex

        I love this list. I love all these movies

    • armed_bears
      • WomanInThePersistence

        But is there canning advice?

      • Msgr_MΩment

        Curtis Badger don’t give a shit.

  • Beowoof14

    Oh the VA GOP hasn’t learned about dog whistles yet. I heard education in the south sucked, but didn’t know it was this bad.

    • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

      This is tone, as in tone deafness.

  • Everrett Fanuelli

    So many supporters at the Cleveland Cavaliers Champio……errrr…..Trump Rally last night. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1a979e415bd0d0a187ec6e9312026ef71d3b4fcaff16ea6724dfc32f88c643a2.jpg

  • OK, time for a change of topic. The next big solar eclipse to cross the United States will be on April 8, 2024. Totality will occur at 3:15 pm over Cleveland, OH.

    Can we demand that Major League Baseball arrange the schedule so that the Indians are playing a day game at home then?

    • theCryptofishist

      By then there will be no Cleveland…

    • Bozilingus

      Being Indians fans, there will be a lot of burned retinas.

      • Latverian Diplomat

        Or, they will all briefly fall asleep, like birds.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Maybe when it gets dark, they can swap out the racist mascot without the crowd catching on.

  • Joe Beese
    • Red Bird

      What country is this referring to?

      • Tishalicious

        Yemen

        • Red Bird

          Oh. Well that’s an easy question to answer if anyone wants to really think about it.

    • Jamoche

      Like saying “how did this kid with so much lunch money, under the close watch of the school bully and the DGAF teacher, fall so swiftly into having to eat the shame lunch?”

      (shame lunches: http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/education/article167670822.html )

  • My caption: Justin Bieber is trying for US citizenship? https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/900489874297507844

    • The Wanderer

      The Fall of Western Civilization: The Advent of the Jerks.

    • jesterpunk

      Justin Beiber is happy he screwed his tour staff just like his idol Trump.

    • Bill D. Burger
    • h4rr4r

      Caption:
      Three douchebag kids, no idea who any of them are.

    • Raan

      Harvard Young Republican July 4th Cookout and Cross Burning, 2017

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      Do they know they are desecrating the flag when they wear those shorts or does that just count for when a hippie, commie, liberal burns one?

      • Red Bird

        The closer you hold your country’s flag to your crotch, the more you love it.

        • Amy!

          So you’re saying “fuck the flag”?

          • Jonny On Maui

            Only if the flag consents…

          • willi0000000

            . . . or, at least, beat off into it.

            [ esp. if you can’t find your sock ]

      • Angela Ruzzo

        Actually, the Flag Code is voluntary, so no, it’s not desecration. It is sometimes bad taste, however. When I was 15 I had a jean jacket with the US flag embroidered on the back surrounded by embroidered marijuana plants, and I was the coolest 15-yr-old in high school. I got away with it because my mother didn’t know they were marijuana plants.

      • Msgr_MΩment

        If you make skid marks, gonna have to burn it.

        • willi0000000

          in situ is fine with me.

    • Ms.MLG on Maui

      Trés Douché

      • Tishalicious

        Contest over. You win.

        • Ms.MLG on Maui

          ;)

    • Jonny On Maui

      This is why I fear the future…

    • Red Bird

      Future faces of privilege.

    • Werewolf

      Tomorrow belongs to me.

      • Ms.MLG on Maui

        Ha!

    • Les Appentis De la résistance

      Somebody’s parents must be proud.

    • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

      Is that a flag pole in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?

    • HorseChestnut

      Future Rapists of America is recruiting near you!

    • HorseChestnut

      First Against the Wall Club 2017! #MAGA

  • La forza del resistino

    If I remember my Appomattox history, Gen’l Gordon’s men stacked arms, Gen’l Grant said officers could keep their sidearms and horses. Nobody posed for photos or sculptor’s sketches. They just went home and wanted to forget the whole affair.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      A photo wouldn’t have captured the solemn dignitude possible in a painting, or something.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Pretty much, yeah. When word reached Grant that some of the Union soldiers under his command were cheering, Grant immediately sent orders that they stop.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      You mean the Agreement to Disagree at Appomattox?

    • SadDemInTex

      They did not want to “forget the whole thing”…they were on parole. Grant went personally to President Johnson (who wanted to try them all as traitors and hang them) and said that he gave his word that they could return to their civilian lives without reprisal as long as they adhered to the parole. (That is that they would neither glorify themselves as martyrs or take up arms against the USA or anything else that would incite more violence). That lasted exactly a generation. When they were all dead their children all returned to white supremcacy and bigotry.

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    • OrG

      The cops are dicks? Get out!

      • Beanz&Berryz

        Pretty good dick joke, under the circumstances…

    • Angela Ruzzo

      It is terrible that the police used these irritants, and I don’t approve of it, and I’m very sorry for any protestors who were injured by them, but as a person who lived through the 60’s, I have to say that my generation was happy to protest in public no matter what the risk, as long as the National Guard didn’t start shooting at us. I remember Kent State.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX95QSKBODo

      • SadDemInTex

        Kent State…I always think of that photo.

      • willi0000000

        we were so much younger then . . . and, at least i, had better lungs . . . if i thought i could still breathe that stuff and live i’d be out there.

        [ stage IV CPOD . . . no fun . . . enjoyed cigarettes for over 50 years to get where i am today ]

        • Angela Ruzzo

          Oh, dear, I’m really sorry to hear that. I’m a smoker too. . .they will take the last cigarette from my cold dead hand. But you’re right. . .we were much younger then. Today I can’t join in protest marches because I have so many spinal and joint problems that NO WAY could I sleep on a cold, concrete, jail cell floor overnight until I get bailed out, it would kill me.

    • h4rr4r

      Remember kids gas masks are $30 on Amazon.

      Get some divers silicone to get a good seal.

  • Carpe Vagenda

    Not the least disturbing thing that’s happened this year: Orrin Hatch made me laugh.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bf41cc1c6ce7345e66e4050b47b36295539686cd79d9b222ca120bc841d1e5e0.jpg

    • Orrin’s funny. Who knew?

    • La forza del resistino

      I once owned a boat with a Leakin Hatch.

    • Joe Beese

      That reminds me of my favorite political joke, from the 1996 Republican primaries.

      “Bob Dole is so old that when he won California, he claimed it in the name of Spain.”

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      As long as you were on the right side, Hatch Pepper.

  • UncleTravelingMatt
    • WomanInThePersistence

      Santa Clause libelz!

    • To be fair, Santa is more believable than Trump.

      • Latverian Diplomat

        Trump just leaves 10% off Trump Steaks coupons under the tree, Both the coupons and the steaks are already expired.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Great, the Pilot Fish are back. Alert the Doctor that the Sycorax will soon be here.

  • Suse

    How much longer do we have to endure this?

    • altleftjohn

      Until the trump of doom?

      • mackafritz

        Or the doom of trump.

        • altleftjohn

          The snapper!!

    • La forza del resistino

      I dunno, but my mthly bar bill is putting a dent in the grandkid’s college fund.

    • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

      It really is an exquisite form of torture this slow, steady dismantling of moral and political norms by a minority of angry, venal morons.

  • WomanInThePersistence

    New Keith!

    God almighty, the list of folks walking away from Trump is giving me a happy.

    https://youtu.be/wpkXTu-fzWg

    • Jamoche

      What makes it all even more delicious – much as he loves his rally crowds, these are all the people/groups that he’s always been the most desperate to impress.

      • Permit-holder Ron

        And it’s NOT working. <snickers>

  • Ezio
    • Msgr_MΩment

      JCPenney still exists?

      • Antonin Dvorak

        Sure does, it is the only thing, keeping my local mall afloat. Well, that and the Sbarro.

      • Suse

        Not many left.

  • Bill D. Burger

    Aaaaand’ another connection. CNN just now reporting that a Trump campaign aide was emailed about a possible meeting with Putin in June of 2016, about the same time as Junior, Manafort and Kush’ were meeting with the Russian lawyer.
    No mention of any connection of the two events, but this is also sure to draw a lot of scrutiny from Mueller.

    drip, drip, drip….

    • Joe Beese

      Is this in addition to the other campaign aide who was hopping about trying to get Putin some face time?

  • Suse

    WTF???
    The Prada-owned brand Miu Miu is the latest to stumble with a design that incorporates symbols linked by some to the Holocaust. The company recently released a collection of items featuring a five-pointed yellow star, reminiscent of but not identical to the Star of David that Jews were forced to wear under the brutal Nazi regime.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/brands-keep-putting-nazi-holocaust-symbols-in-designs/

    • Candy Matson Y-28209

      Cue sheriff’s star joke of exasperation with accompanying eye roll.

      • Suse

        “we apologize IF anyone was offended…”

    • Ezio

      It’s tone deaf for sure.

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      A five pointed star? I’m having a very hard time being outraged. Here’s the offending item:

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/99a1308e45954c6fa8a4b043eaf30149a7bcf9da50fc9c191187ba90d3cf90f5.png

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        I sincerely thought you were joking at first, because that is the stupidest looking thing ever. I won’t get outraged by a five-pointed star, but what the fuck is that even? John?

        • UncleTravelingMatt

          No idea. Another pic has a blue star that says “Alain.”

        • Doug Langley

          Maybe it’s your punishment for visiting a prostitute?

      • Suse
        • UncleTravelingMatt

          That one is offensive. But that was from Zara a few years ago.

          • Suse

            Still, why would anyone think this is okay?

          • UncleTravelingMatt

            No idea. Yellow six pointed stars should be pretty clear no-go territory.

        • Thiazin Red

          Its crazy offensive, but that isn’t from the line. Its from a while ago.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          That’s just plain horrible. But it’s not a five pointed star.

      • Thiazin Red

        The patches also come in pink and red. They’re dumb looking, but not a reference.

        • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

          They sure are a reference to anyone with the slightest awareness of other people’s religions, history, and context. They should have not included yellow.

  • jowgajen
  • WhoCheckedRussia’sVoterID

    That is hilarious. If it weren’t so fucking scary.

    That tweet was interpreted exactly the way they intended. They believe that white supremacy is a birth right. They sent the tweet because that is what they believed. It just came so easy to mind, it was so much a part of them, that it felt completely natural to tweet it. And only when the backlash came did they realize that their inner hatred escaped in the most embarrassing way…Oops!

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      Even worse, only when the backlash came did they realize that some people might not champion their inner hatred the same way that they assumed

  • Duke

    Open Thread!

    Open Thread!

    He said!

    She said!

    Time for bed!

    • Latverian Diplomat

      See Trump Waddle! Waddle, Trump, Waddle!

  • Bill D. Burger

    [Former FBI director James Comey joining Howard University
    By ADAM KELSEY Aug 23, 2017, 2:18 PM ET

    Former FBI Director James Comey has been appointed an endowed chair in public policy at Howard University and will deliver a convocation address to incoming freshmen in September, the school announced Wednesday.

    In a press release, the historically Black university said that Comey, who was controversially fired from his post leading the FBI by President Donald Trump in May, will “engage the Howard community through a lecture series” during the 2017-2018 school year.]

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fbi-director-james-comey-joining-howard-university/story?id=49381366

    • Latverian Diplomat

      He should expect some tough questions from the students there…

    • NerdWithNoName

      insert “endowed chair” joke here.

  • Once again, is there anyone in the Trump administration without connections to Putin and his merry band of Oligarchs? http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/23/politics/donald-trump-rick-dearborn-email-russia-investigation/index.html

    • dlemex

      Not any more… There was that one guy but he is gone now.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Barron and Not Ivanka?

  • Red Bird

    Open thread memory moment:
    For some reason (because I lost my temper today) I remembered a story my Mom used to tell about my childhood. She says that when I was very young, I used to get angry if they gave me margarine instead of butter. There is even a picture of one of these episodes where I wouldn’t eat because they served the toast with margarine. I had a temper back then and I guess I still have it now. I want what I want. And butter makes toast taste better. #Fact So, everyone, butter your bread. BUTTER YOUR BREAD!!!!111@@*

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      That hydrogenated vegetable oil is bad for you anyway.

    • OutOfOrbit

      Oleo!

    • BrendaKay

      Land O’Lakes butter with olive oil & sea salt is pretty delightful.

      • h4rr4r

        Kerrygold or GTFO!

        • Red Bird

          New Zealand salted butter

    • Doug Langley

      But if they could fool Mother Nature, why couldn’t they fool you?

    • h4rr4r

      Get some European butter. Spreadable even cold, due to higher fat content.

      Aldi sells kerrygold pretty cheap.

    • Jonny On Maui

      I am shocked I tell you, SHOCKED!

      That no one has offered to help you find your temper. Did you check under the desk?

      • Red Bird

        :)

    • Zombishroom

      Now I want some toast.

    • tomamitai

      I read an article once that said butter was less bad for your heart than margarine and that was enough for me to switch to the real deal. Don’t know if it was true or not and I DON’T CARE, GIMME DAT BUTTER!

      • WomanInThePersistence

        Butter is definately better for you. Because transfats ( the kind of fats found in margarine, Cisco, etc) are very bad for you.

    • NotReallyHere

      I love butter, and Kerrygold is great, but the best damn butter I’ve ever tasted is this stuff.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/292cc06ee51bbba743df54c799cc66f62d853be2236a48b5e8b5655c6d6589c1.png

      • Martini Ambassador 🍸

        They do make pretty spectacular butter in Normandy.

    • Martini Ambassador 🍸

      Life is too short to skimp on real butter. You have, however, reminded me of this silly meme going around: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bc63cc59e21ae002243ec5e403d98ff30c237f0c011219246f68971e44316ee7.jpg

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        I see potential for a master’s thesis in psychology here.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Butter emails caused someone we know and miss to lose out on the top job by a margarine of error.

    • Angela Ruzzo

      I have had serious but totally illogical food obsessions since earliest childhood. My mother, whom the whole world and probably even god obeyed, could not get me to eat certain foods, or certain combinations of foods. I did not lose my temper, I just stonily refused to eat it while tears ran down my face. My mother admitted defeat when I was about 4 when I looked at her through my tears and said “But nobody makes grown ups eat what they don’t want to eat.” To this day I do not understand why anyone has the right to tell me what to eat, or how to eat it. I figure as long as what and how I eat does not offend anyone to the point that they get physically ill and have to leave the table, it is none of their business.

      I have a friend who likes to put half a cup of cottage cheese on top of her spaghetti. I very nearly get physically ill and have to leave the table, so I just don’t invite her over for spaghetti anymore, I don’t criticize her.

  • Courser_Resistance

    Lucky me. My neighbor 2 doors down died about a week ago. There was a nasty smell in the laundry room (next to his apt) when I went to get my clothes out of the dryer yesterday. Figured it was a sewer smell. Wrong-O!

    • Beanz&Berryz

      UGH…

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      Sad too. Nobody missed him/her?

      • OutOfOrbit

        that is my think too

        • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

          When I worked with Code Enforcement, no story sadder than the hoarder dying alone entombed in a pile of junk. Hated that.

          • OutOfOrbit

            amen the end of sadness for one peep

          • Courser_Resistance

            It’s also the hardest thing for Search & Rescue folks too. Lots of people decide to end it in the backcountry. Don’t do that. No, we cannot leave you out there; someone’s going to have to haul your sorry remains out of wherever you decided to end it.

          • UncleTravelingMatt

            Some backcountry deputies I know nearly quit after they had to remove the remains of a guy who killed himself while sitting in his hot tub at his cabin. He apparently sat there for a few days before the hot tub turned off.

          • Courser_Resistance

            Ugh! The Denver coroner will deal with this but God knows who’s going to clean the apartment.

            Ironically, we have an assistant coroner who lives just one floor down, but he’s on medical leave with a hernia repair.

            A friend of mind just texted me back, ‘You stumble across the best shit’

          • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

            People don’t think about that. My SO volunteers with the Coast Guard Auxiliary up in the Bay Area. He refuses to work around the GG Bridge because of the fear of having to pull a suicide out of the water. Thank Crom they are going to build the barrier.

      • Courser_Resistance

        It’s a bit of a mystery right now. Manager’s wife said his sister called him regularly and his job apparently didn’t call a relative or for a welfare check. Some of us had noticed the smell, especially last evening. The managers opened the apartment to check and WHAM! all the smell just rolled on out. I put a towel under my door and put the ac on.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Oh, yikes!

    • SadDemInTex

      I’m always gonna have cats so they eat me before I rot.

      • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

        Agreed. It’s the ultimate recycling

      • Courser_Resistance

        No pets in this building. Poor Ricardo rotted. Very quiet, nice guy, veteran, etc. I’d be very surprised if it was anything other than natural causes. He’d mentioned to some of the other tenants that he’d been ill.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          Honestly, that’s is heart-breaking. Is there anybody around to mourn him?

          • Courser_Resistance

            He has a sister and quite a few friends in the area. We were sitting outside one evening and several guys stopped by to say hi.

            But it is very sad. This is a small apartment building, only 24 units, so we all knew him and any of us would have helped him if we’d known. He was under the care of the VA and had some kind of stomach issues that had been bothering him lately.

          • Angela Ruzzo

            That’s just SO SAD. I’ve lived alone all my adult life and I always told my bosses “If I don’t show up for work and I DO NOT CALL YOU to say why, then call 911 because I will always call you, always, so something is wrong if I don’t.” But now I’m retired, and nobody would know. I worry about it.

          • CripesAmighty

            That is sad. Sounds like he probably had interesting stories to tell.

        • SadDemInTex

          It is so sad…and happens way to often. Some inventor should create the alert that goes to the coroner when you die. The place where my mother lived had a very simple device. They had a little switch on the door. If a resident doen’t open the door at least once a day they go in to check on them. They found her after her stroke. Sadly, not soon enough.

      • Beanz&Berryz

        Them’s some hungry cats for a week’s worth of eatin’

    • WomanInThePersistence

      That’s really sad.

    • Angela Ruzzo

      How sad. That is the fear of all us single people who are getting older, that they will find us 2 weeks after we died, having been eaten by our cats. It actually happened to a next-door neighbor of mine in St. Louis, he was 68 and lived alone, and he was dead 3 days before anyone noticed. When another neighbor found him, his 4 chihuahuas were sitting on him, but hadn’t eaten him, thank god. Maybe they were trying to warm him up? Sadder still was the funeral. The only people who showed up were his two estranged adult sons, the neighbor who found him and his wife, and me.

    • Joe Beese

      I once found an upstairs neighbor hanging on the stairwell outside our apartment building.

      To be precise, I saw the feet hanging in the air, slowly rotating in the wind. Then I went into shock and called the police.

      I had never gone into shock before. But I watched myself acting in a dazed way and having difficulty speaking coherently and part of me figured out, “Oh, I guess this is what shock is like.”

      • Angela Ruzzo

        That’s terrible. I went into shock once and I remember a feeling of icy cold spreading very fast through my whole body. Then I got very light-headed, then I got nauseous and had to throw up. I’m sorry you had to experience that.

        • Courser_Resistance

          I can get shocky pretty easily, but it tends to hit me much later. I’ve always assisted at auto accidents, etc and I go into response mode. Afterwards I’m a mess and fall apart.

      • Courser_Resistance

        I’ve had bad emotional shocks in my life. I’ve also had a concussion in recent memory. They feel about the same, but without actual pain but just as… disorienting.

        I’m really sorry you had to go though that. This wasn’t all that shocking, but it sure is sad.

  • Les Appentis De la résistance

    Family before country. As someone of French Canadian heritage I demand poutine be required in the south and live beavers as pets. Who doesn’t want to eat a beaver while petting poutine?

  • AnnieGetYerFun

    Given how ancestry works, if your family has been in the US for more than a generation, you probably have some dumb ass cracker Confederates somewhere up the tree. It’s OK to turn your backs on them. They probably won’t notice.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Seeing as how the Confederates in my family have been dead for well over a century, I certainly hope you’re right.

    • Angela Ruzzo

      Well, maybe. . . one side of my family is Italian, came here in 1890’s, dug coal in Philadelphia and then shoveled it in NYC. No crackers there. The other side were dirt farmers in Indiana and Missouri, they couldn’t afford slaves and didn’t need any, they had 16 children do do all the work. My grandpa wanted to play the fiddle, and his father said “Stay here and do your work and give up the fiddle, or take the fiddle and leave” so at age 14 he left and got a job playing fiddle in a brothel. He said it was a lot easier than farming and paid better and he didn’t have to get up at 4 am to milk the cows, and it came with benefits.

      • Beanz&Berryz

        Health insurance was not common back then…

        • Angela Ruzzo

          They didn’t have Social Security or Medicare, either. Or antibiotics, which is why 6 of my Italian grandmother’s 14 children died in childhood during epidemics, so take THAT, any Anti-Vaxxers who might be reading this. How would you fools like to sit and watch 3 of your 4 children die in one week from diphtheria? I bet you wouldn’t like it.

        • BearDeLaOursistance

          Job description needz moar “friends with”!

      • Jamoche

        Yeah, my family was in northern Alabama and also of the “want more farm hands? Have another kid” mindset. Nobody fought in the war – family legend is that the ones who were too young didn’t lie about their ages, and the ones close enough to being too old did.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          I used to tease my mother that she only had kids so she had someone to bring the groceries in from the car and mow the grass. She smiled, and did not contradict me. Now I’m old and single and I sure wish I had someone to bring the groceries in from the car and mow the grass.

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        True, but remember, four grandparents, eight great-grandparents, sixteen great-greats; and it keeps going back.

        Then again, while the Civil War was a while ago, I guess it wasn’t that many generations ago. My grandmother was born in 1917, so I suppose a great-great would have been of fighting age during the CW.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          No, it wasn’t that many generations ago. My father’s grandmother Caroline was born in 1862, shortly after her father left to join the Union army. She told the story of the day he came home, 4 years later, to her daughter, born in 1894, who told it to her son, born in 1918, and he told it to his daughter (me), so it wasn’t that long ago. She died in 1953, several years before I was born, so I never got to meet her, but my oldest sister remembers her.

    • Raan

      Well, my grandma’s family fought for the Union, my grandpa’s side gets as clear as mud before him, my other grandpa’s side came to New Jersey when he was maybe a couple of years old, and my other grandma’s family I don’t really know about, but I assume they settled in Jersey when they came.

      I should use the genealogy computers at the library.

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        Oh, you’re probably fine, then. Maybe some sketchy fifth cousins or something.

  • Ezio

    “Stop calling everyone you disagree with a Nazi!” -People who have spent the last decade calling feminists “feminazis”.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/49e42e66f495abf420e565cb90f784a8e091f93a35cd29a80f2f0c1684e8445d.jpg

  • Picabo

    Born on this date in 1912, Gene Kelly.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1ZYhVpdXbQ

  • That depends, is your definition of a terrorist organization is an organization that you are terrorizes you by publishing truthful info? https://twitter.com/mflynnJR/status/900486665747255296

    • Antonin Dvorak

      SonofRussianAgentsaywhat?

      • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

        Oh FFS. The apple doesn’t fall far from the crazy tree.

    • Ezio
    • Joe Beese

      “Wolf Blitzer” sounds like a Nazi name to me.

      • amrak63

        I remember an episode of “Wayne’s World” on SNL where Wayne said the name was obviously fake, and who was next? “Howitzer Explosion Guy”?

        I’ve thought of Wolfie as “Howitzer Explosion Guy” ever since.

      • Les Appentis De la résistance

        It sounds like dog puke to me

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      A better poll for him would have been, “Do you think my Dad should be labeled as a traitor?”

      • Beanz&Berryz

        Tried as one…

      • Jamoche

        The majority of comments seem to think so :)

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Did this stupid fuck have some security clearance at some point?

    • jowgajen

      I find this so irritating. CNN is clickbait fluff, and yet these assholes are trying to make the left defend them.

    • Ezio

      I mean, I think CNN overall is like The Big Bang Theory of news, but that’s just pure stupid.

    • Raan

      Hoo, even with him telling people how to vote… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6d5173e7bf14c2bb0581fd382fcff275cc52aa6c2b9e0feeb3f81251e5d87604.png

      Yes, I’m charging my phone.

    • JustDon’tSayDignity
    • Martini Ambassador 🍸

      Sheesh, what a soggy dildo.

    • La forza del resistino

      CNN could wave a few bucks in front of Jr as an on screen ‘analyst’ and watch his tune change

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Great question from a conspiracy theorist who’s dad is traitor. What does it take to get people like this to STFU?

    • george lastrapes

      Flynn Jr. is a poster child for postnatal abortion.

    • Permit-holder Ron

      They’ve certainly scared HIM.

  • Everrett Fanuelli
    • altleftjohn

      I was there. I saw Trump make 13 holes in one from mid court.

      • BearDeLaOursistance

        As opposed to his usual, putting 1″ into 13 holes.

        • altleftjohn

          Ba-dum!

  • Bill D. Burger

    Well….SooWee Huckabee, looks like Trump’s staunchest supporters haven’t gotten the message.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DH70sNSUMAAtaLl.png

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Her calling up the flag was a nice gratuitous stupidism…

  • Ezio
  • Amelia Resists and Persists

    Hey guess what, guys? We’ve known it all along, but Bernie Bros officially lost this election for us!

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/bernie-sanders-voters-helped-trump-become-president/

    Sanders to Trump voters alone more than made up the difference between Hillary winning and losing in MI, WI, and PA.

    Fuuuuuck them, and Susan Sarandon too.

    • Thiazin Red

      And he still will not STFU.

      • tomamitai

        Did you tell him to shut up when he was campaigning for Hillary?

    • h4rr4r

      Wait, what, the heck?

      So someone who would have voted for Bernie voted for Trump instead? How the fuck does that happen?

      • Amelia Resists and Persists

        That’s how much they hated Hillary. They cast “protest” votes because they couldn’t have Bernie.

        • h4rr4r

          But that’s moronic!

          You did not get your Democratic Socialist so instead of voting for a center Democratic candidate you vote for a lunatic?

          • Jonny On Maui

            Loonies always vote party first.

          • h4rr4r

            What?

            So instead of a similar candidate you think voting for the polar opposite makes sense?

          • Jonny On Maui

            Hmmm… Missed. Let me try again…

            https://youtu.be/kJVROcKFnBQ

          • Permit-holder Ron

            Keep in mind, these are not people accustomed to ‘sense.’

      • DrBigHead

        Oh, I don’t know……

        Sexism, maybe?

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        These people, by and large, weren’t ever and aren’t now Democrats.

        • h4rr4r

          Then what are they? What political school of thought would support both Sanders and Trump?

          • They call themselves independents. Because it sounds cool. As opposed to the actual independents.

          • h4rr4r

            Independent is not a school of thought. I can understand not being affiliated with a party but other than both being old white men what do Sanders and Trump have in common?

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            I was winding down at the bar after a gig in the middle of the campaign. Some young hipsters were having this conversation; they considered themselves independents, seemed new to thinking about politics at all, and were all saying “it’s either Bernie or Trump”. I’m not in the habit of breaking in on other people’s drunken conversations at bars, but I was all “you’ve GOT to be fucking kidding me”. That said, I have no answers for you.

          • h4rr4r

            Morons, ok I get that.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            With beards. And bad haircuts.

          • SkinlessGenderlessMan

            “The common clay of the New West….”

      • They were never Sanders supporters. They were Hillary Haters.

        • h4rr4r

          Ah, assholes. Why did no one just say that?

          • Thought it was implied when they voted for Trump? BTW, those were the actual “Trump voters” Bernie keeps saying we have to reach out to. Make no mistake of it.

      • georgiaburning

        This is like voting for Homecoming Queen- Cheerleader captain Britney was so mean to your friend Kelly that you voted for the costumed mascot just to spite her.

        • h4rr4r

          Real elections have consequences.

    • SadDemInTex

      Jeezusfuckingchristonacracker, IT DOESN’T MATTER ANYMORE. Can we please concentrate on the present and 2018. FFS, just stop.

      • h4rr4r

        It matters, just like Nader voters got us GWB.

        Learn from the past or be doomed to repeat it.

        • CripesAmighty

          It’s different. Nader ran as a spoiler in the general with full knowledge of the consequences. To blame Sanders, who campaigned vigorously as a good soldier, for the acts of incorrigible piety-derbyites is disingenuous.

      • Amelia Resists and Persists

        It actually does matter? Because this ridiculous division in the party is still affecting every election and these new statistics paint a clearer picture of it in key states?

        But okay, sorry I guess.

        • Ms.MLG on Maui

          It matters. It matters because it can happen again.

        • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

          Until the national party gets their shit together, all we can do in the trenches is continue to fight each race on a grassroots level. I am still pissed at the DNCC at how late they came to work with Jon Ossoff in the GA-06. And he still raised record money without them.

        • SadDemInTex

          We know that this happened. We do not need to be hit over the head, over and over and over and over. It is NOT helping to unite us. It is in fact making everyone angry. Angry that (apparently) dumbasses voted for 45, didn’t vote at all, voted for Stein, voted for Mickey Mouse. It is so conveient that these “statistics” keep coming up. Have you ever thought that it is ONLY advantageous for the Rethugs to keep this dumpster fire burning. STOP HELPING RETHUGS! Just stop. If you see this stuff on your feed LOOK AWAY. Stop poisoning your own mind. If we had NEVER EVER been aware of this, you might have a leg to stand on….but we have had this hammered into our heads over and over. There are two thoughts you must keep in mind while we do politics (just like murder)

          1. FOLLOW THE MONEY
          2. WHO BENEFITS?

          • Amelia Resists and Persists

            Okay. 1) It’s a Newsweek article, not a Facebook post from some fake liberal lunatic. 2) The specific statistics described, if they’ve been available before, were news to me. And 3) I don’t really feel like being capslocked at for linking to an article I found interesting, so goodbye and have a nice life.

  • Bill D. Burger

    Damn! At times it’s hard to compare Donny to Hitler. At least when Hitler threw a rally, he knew how to draw a crowd.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DH7b467V0AAcsHs.jpg

    • Bill D. Burger
      • Bozilingus

        Looking at the sun during the eclipse has affected his vision (or lack of).

      • hudson

        weak. sad. limp. small. more importantly, impotent exuberance.

        • CripesAmighty

          Bring on the Poloshirt Tikitroopers!

    • CripesAmighty
    • Saxo the Grammarian

      The sheer size of that crowd always seemed impossible to me. Did the Germans have something like Photoshop back then?

      • Raan

        Better. They had lugers.

  • Ezio
  • mancityRed6

    let’s not tell tRump about mandatory attendance? ever?

  • Bill D. Burger
    • Permit-holder Ron

      ‘Dammit, we were winning!’

  • Ezio
    • Beanz&Berryz

      Also too would be touting slavery, racism, torture, rape and sedition to oppress people even 100 years later…

      • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

        150 years later.

    • Werewolf

      Says the damn Yankee carpetbagger.

      • CeeQ

        Bingo.

  • Bill D. Burger
  • Thiazin Red

    Which fictional leader would you like to live under? I was thinking down thread a ways that Lord Vetinari from Discworld wouldn’t be such a bad ruler to have. Certainly much better than the current one.

    • Suse

      A benevolent Greek goddess, I think.

      • Ezio

        So Hippolyta from Wonder Woman.

    • jesterpunk

      Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho, he cant be any worse.

      • Raan

        Fuck that, President Not Sure for the win.

        • jesterpunk

          That works too.

    • Raan

      Do I keep my current knowledge?

      • Thiazin Red

        Sure.

        • Raan

          Emperor Uriel Septim VII of Cyrodiil.

    • DainBramage

      King Elessar, founder of the House of Telcontar (Arargorn from The Lord of the Rings).

    • President Trump. I would not mind that fictional leader living underwater.

    • Permit-holder Ron

      Or his successor, Moist von Lipwig. (Come on, you KNOW that’s where things were heading.)

  • Bill D. Burger
  • Suse

    Off to my weight loss meeting. I want some butter!

  • bookish

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/the-republican-party-is-enabling-an-increasingly-dangerous-demagogue/537723/?utm_source=nl-politics-daily-082317

    Based just on the parts I’d heard, I did a multi-part Twitter-exegesis last night, trying to explain why Trump’s hour-plus, nearly 9,000-word resentful rant stood alone in the history of presidential rhetoric. A Twitter user named Brent Schlottman graciously converted that into one Storify installment, which you can see here and which began:

    • altleftjohn

      It was a dark and stormy night . . .

      • Jamoche

        … the ship was sinking, the captain said to me, “Tell me a story, my son.”

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      “Call me, A-Hole.”

    • “I heard that it was comparable to the Gettysburg Address.” – John Miller

      • Everrett Fanuelli

        The Estelle Gettys-burg address.

        • Thiazin Red

          SOPHIA LIBELZ!!!

        • Three Finger Salute

          Sophia libelz!

        • BosGrl

          Picture it: The United States. 2016. The country votes in record numbers, bigly, for the most successful businessman in the world, a man who does deals that nobody can imagine, a man who will build a wall and make Mexico pay, a man who will secure our borders, maintain our heritage against gangs, a man who will make rich people rich… and that man was me.

      • Mehmeisterjr

        Technically, this is true about just about anything.

        For instance, I farted in bed. Compared to the Gettysburg Address, it was considerably inferior.

        However, compared with Trump’s latest speech, it was vastly superior.

      • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

        Yes, it was three times longer.

    • hudson

      i really don’t understand what else he has to do to be brought down. greater presidents have been brought down for much less. whatelse does this guy have to do?

      • h4rr4r

        Piss off Ryan and McConnell enough.

        Until the GOP turns on him he could do anything and get away with it.

        • hudson

          ramen. and that is where the bottomline is.

      • thixotropic jerk

        But but give him a chance! And witch hunt! And and yeah other stuff!

      • CindyinEncinitas

        Email a risotto recipe.

        • hudson

          interesting. didn’t think about that. something like that is surely grounds for dismissal.

      • miss_grundy

        Connect him to a private email server?????

      • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

        Dead girl or live boy?

      • handyhippie65

        not be a republican.

  • Picabo

    Today in history.
    “On this day in 1939, Germany and the Soviet Union sign a non-aggression pact, stunning the world, given their diametrically opposed ideologies.”
    http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-hitler-stalin-pact

    • hudson

      yeah. this was one of the most confusing things to understand.

      • Not really.

        Both wanted conquest. Both thought they could take the other out when the time was ripe, if they just bid their time and swallowed up weaker foes first.
        Hitler jumped the gun is all. If he had not, it would have likely come between the two of them and only the two of them.

        • Permit-holder Ron

          He kinda had to. He was running out of fuel and needed that sweet Soviet oil, but Uncle Joe kept saying, ‘Nyet.’

          • And, much to Adolph’s chagrin, Stalin had not yet attacked Japan which he was counting on to distract him. Stupid commies never getting mired down when you need em to.
            Actually…did Stalin and Japan ever formally declare? I cannot remember. I should go google and brush up.

    • Nounverb911

      Also today in history the hashtag debuted on the internet as opposed to always being the pound sign…

      https://twitter.com/MerriamWebster/status/900396944635416576

      • h4rr4r

        It’s called an octothorpe!

        • UncleTravelingMatt

          An eight-legged Jim Thorpe?

      • Three Finger Salute
      • hudson

        hashtag is also where you unambiguously pound down on what you are talking about, no?

        • H0mer0

          [reminds me of that Rodney King toll free number: 1-800-###-####]

      • rofl, snark.
        Oh, dictionary, were you always this cool?

        • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

          Yes, yes it has been.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Molotov!

    • Mehmeisterjr

      Yet not so surprising considering that Adolf and Joe with both stone-cold psychopathic narcissists with dictatorial powers.

  • Everrett Fanuelli

    So are miscegenists against mixing of the dog and cat breeds?

  • La forza del resistino

    Hilz puts out a book where she says sharing a debate stage with a lurking creep made her skin crawl. Tell us 54% of white woman Trump voters, agree/disagree. Be honest this time.

    • TootsStansbury

      He is totally an abuser. I don’t have experience but I see it. He makes me sick, that sing songy you have it coming voice. It causes such revulsion.

  • Wait wait wait…
    So they said these are OUR statues! You outsiders can’t say anything about OUR statues!!!!
    So a decendent goes “Yeah tear the fucking things down” they are not /his/ statues? What?

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Tear the fucking things down. And yes, I have Confederates in my family history.

      • I do not so I will abstain lest I become Hitler. Or something.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          I’m not saying this because I’m proud of it. It just is. My great-grandparents came from Missouri. My great grandmother’s family was Union, my great grandfather’s family was Confederate. They lived five miles apart. I know this because my great-grandmother lived until I was in my 20’s, and we were very close. She told me stories that she had heard about the Civil War. Both families had their farms burned down. There was much sorrow.

          It still astonishes me that I actually could join the Daughters of the Confederacy. Not that I ever would.

          • That is the thing- it should be no big to join the daughters of the confederacy. Whatevs, every fucking body does dumb ass bad things in their lives. Ford paid his black workers the same as his whites! But he was a raging anti-semite. LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act! But he was an old school racist. Honest Abe himself did not want to fight the war for slavery and resisted the same until it became clear he had nothing left to lose so might as well let his abolishionist freak flag fly.
            But then the “confederacy” had to use the excuse of their “Heritage” to do Jim Crow. And kill people. And rape people. And so many terrible things. THAT is the heritage these people are now protesting the right to be proud of. They do not give an actual fuck about the civil war dead- if they did, they would have respected the wishes of, say, Lee, and NOT put up monuments to begin with.
            They are being willfully ignorant on this so they do not feel bad about what people did 150 years ago. Get the fuck over it like everyone else did.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Everybody does bad things. True. But there’s bad things and BAD THINGS. Lying about why you couldn’t make it to a party, or about whether you look great with that new haircut, well, maybe that’s a bad thing.

            Lying about a pattern of racism, about treating people horribly, about denying people voting rights, dignity, about lynching people? THOSE ARE VERY BAD THINGS, AND THE PEOPLE WHO DO THAT SHOULD FEEL BAD.

            Sorry about the shouting, but this pisses me off so much. Like I said, I could theoretically join the Daughters of the Confederacy. I also could theoretically join the Daughters of the American Revolution. I’d die first.

            And I’m getting het up. Here’s how a real American patriot dealt with that kind of racism. And bless Eleanor Roosevelt.
            https://youtu.be/XF9Quk0QhSE

          • No no, I mean, there are good and bad qualities about everyone who ever existed. That is part of being human. That these people still feel that bad about what their ancestors did that they have to make up shit about them to not feel bad is bogus is what I was getting at.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Sorry. I love you much, but I disagree. While yes, we are all mixed on good and bad, I can’t give these people a pass. Because I don’t think that these people feel bad about what their ancestors did. They feel jealous. And by these people, I mean the Confederate apologists, not all descendants of Confederates. Remember, I’m one of those descendants. I mean these idiots who support keeping those loser statues.

            When that’s what you need to prop up your own self-image, well, it’s clear that your life is barren of meaning.

          • I figure they have to feel bad about it. Why else care if they get called racist or whatever? Why would they feel the need to insist heritage not hate? Why are so few speaking against the nazis copting their cause (remember, most the nazis came from like MI and Ohio and shit!) like that preacher said they should?
            They obviously feel very very very very bad about it and, like a 10 year old who feels bad about a thing, double down to force you to be nicer to them. It is a gigantic temper tantrum because their feelings are hurt.
            Oh, and I love you also, too :huggles: But I am for sure not giving anyone a pass. Like I said- these fucks don’t care about the confederate dead. They are actively supporting the heritage of Jim Crow and want to be able to feel proud about it. THAT is the heritage they are really holding near and dear.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            I think you are correct about the Jim Crow thing. My feeling is that they feel bad because they were caught. If nothing else, having actual fucking Nazis walk with you makes it very clear what you support. And that is definitely not heritage.

            If nothing else, Charlottesville made that damned obvious.

            And I find it really funny that you are in Virginia and I’m in Oregon, and I’m the not official Daughter of the Confederacy. And I am enjoying this conversation.

          • BJW

            This is literally the first time I realized that. Surprise. Not that I would want to either.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            It’s not something I brag about.

          • BJW

            I hear you. Although both parents were Southerners and my mom’s side had the Confederate general, we were raised up North. So we didn’t revere our Southern heritage. My parents weren’t bigots either.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            I didn’t get that impression.

          • BJW

            Sure. Although I will say my mom was born that way. My dad said he had to learn when he went into the Army-Air Force that skin color wasn’t a criteria for anything. Whereas if I had been a lesbian my mom would’ve welcomed a black transgender Muslim woman as my spouse happily. Or anyone, any race, sexual preferences or gender identities, creed etc etc.

            Damn, I miss her. She’s been gone 14 years and it still hurts, albeit unexpectedly at this moment. If I try to model my love and acceptance of humans, following Mom never goes wrong.

      • BJW

        Same here. Direct descendant of a little known Confederate general. (He’s not well known but I just checked and he’s even in Wikipedia. Fun fact: he physically looks SO MUCH like my younger brother!)

        • Les Appentis De la résistance

          All younger brothers resemble confederate generals.

        • Ms.Moon

          Genetics are so weird I watched Finding Your Roots with Louis Gates Jr. Mae Jemison was told by her Korean interpreter that he looked like her aunt, and turns out she had asian great grand somewhere in her family tree and Tom Joyner the radio broadcaster had his (white) ancestor’s a former Supreme Court Judge’s gray eyes. Things turn up in odd places all over family trees.

          • BJW

            My husband’s father’s father’s family originated in Finland. I would like to see if my husband and our sons have Finnish blood, Sami blood, or a combo. Because there are Sami (Laplander) pictures on the internet that look a whole lot like cousins of my husband.

    • hudson

      Them anglo-saxxons way more important than the spirit of the united states. how hard is it to get this? To there service rest of us all, forever.

  • WomanInThePersistence

    I never thought I’d say this about a Republican. Never. But I’m with her. Go Ana.

    https://youtu.be/pQ8KSkVBCaE

    • Ana has been rare. But the Dementia is the establishment go to. It helps them save face, and quietly put him away for the good of their party.
      Expect more and more “serious” pundits to “worry” about his fragile mental health in the coming weeks.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        I’m okay with that, actually. Because Trump is batshit crazy. And the guy here is saying that this is “ordinary”. No, you jackass. This is NOT fucking ordinary.

        • miss_grundy

          Would it have been considered “ordinary” if Pres. Obama had acted this way????

          • weejee

            Isn’t batshit crazy the proper medical term in this case?

          • WomanInThePersistence

            I am a mild mannered purveyor of fancy cheese. But, yeah, even if can see when somebody is batshit crazy.

          • Oh hell, had it been the Bamz, he would have had to withdraw after “All Mexicans are rapists”

    • hudson

      weak. sad. quack.

      the emperor is deluded not just demented.

    • BosGrl

      Ana needs to get up to speed. I was told by a psychiatrist yesterday that “dementia” is now considered derogatory. The preferred term is “cognitive impairment”.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        Vocabulary is the least of our problems.

        • Up In Smoke O’hontas

          Easy for you to say ;-)

      • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

        I prefer “disordered thinking” to “mental illness”. A lot can be resolved behaviorally. I didn’t go on meds until 3 years ago.

        • BosGrl

          Sometimes, depending on the diagnosis.

        • Up In Smoke O’hontas

          I can’t say enough good things about Albert Ellis’s work. Rational thought goes a long way toward avoiding unnecessary emotional distress. Keep on keepin’ on!

          • Three Finger Salute

            Not necessarily. At least not in a country where “rational thought” is rarer than a rainbow-striped zebracorn and labels you an enemy of the state and a cosmopolitan-biased elite. Being marked as one of the dreaded “intellectuals” is sure to lead to emotional distress.

            Then again, there aren’t any countries where those conditions exist, right? Nah, Germany is a good guy (frau) now, and there hasn’t been a country that even came close to installing a fascist dictator since 1945… 😨

          • JustDon’tSayDignity

            For a second there, I missed the sarcasm.

          • I coulda sworn there were a few since 45…..here and there

          • Up In Smoke O’hontas

            Fair enough. Environmental insanity in the US is totally unavoidable, but acknowledging that, and knowing what is within one’s control can go a long way toward overcoming cultural illness. It certainly doesn’t take anything away from the larger cause to put in the effort to adjust one’s small perspective toward feeling better. I can only speak from my experiences, but it’s possible to live a meaningful, more or less happy life even in this climate. My depression was heavily dependant upon reflexive personal masochism… I don’t pretend to know your specifics, but I will not stop reiterating how much I value your contributions here, and based on your comments I believe you are needed in this world and deserve happiness along the way.

      • Mehmeisterjr

        The Donald ha Pepe the Frognitive Impairment.

      • georgiaburning

        “Impairment” suggests that at one time his cognitive abilities were better than they are now. Ha.

        • BosGrl

          Exactly. Which is why I am guessing this is lifelong narcissism rather than a medical illness.

    • OrdinaryJoe
  • Ezio

    I’m going to bed now, but not before I share a favorite quote of mine.

    My personal favorite quote from Sacco
    “The weaker ones that cry for help, the persecuted and the victim,
    They are your friends, friends of yours and mine.
    They are the comrades that fight — yes, and sometimes fall
    Just as your father, your father and Bartolo, have fallen,
    Have fought and fell, yesterday, for the conquest of joy,
    Of freedom for all.
    In the struggle of life you’ll find, you’ll find more love,
    And in the struggle, you will be loved also.”
    -Nicola Sacco, executed August 23, 1927

    • Up In Smoke O’hontas

      What? No tweet from Vanzetti? Get with the times, commie!
      *love that quote, BTW*

  • Amelia Resists and Persists

    I want to fast forward an hour so that it’ll be time for my nightly ice-cream-and-Maddow.

    Then once I perfect the technology I’ll fast forward to the end of the Trump era.

    • DainBramage

      I’m working on a way to change to a different timeline completely.

      • Amelia Resists and Persists

        I’ve always loved parallel worlds in fiction. Nothing like a psychopath to make you wish for them in reality.

        • Three Finger Salute

          Nothing like a psychopath to make you wish for them in reality.

          I saw that CBC telefilm documentary about WW1 that Justin Trudeau was in (it’s on YouTube), and the first thing that came to my mind was how much better off the world would be if Talbot Papineau had encountered a certain mustachioed Austrian fellow on the battlefield, and blown him away with parliamentary votes. Instead, Papineau died and that other guy lived… and 100 million more died as a result.

          This timeline sucks.

      • handyhippie65

        you better find one you’re not in. the consequences could be dire.

      • BJW

        IKR? This is definitely the wrong multiverse to be in!

    • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

      I am waiting for 9 p.m. when Max Max Thunderdome comes on.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    Gee, I wonder why li’l Twitler was bashing CNN so much last night?
    https://twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/900495418336976897

  • SpudRaider

    I think the next 15 months will be interesting. Before you know it the Republicans will be wearing BLM hats and spewing how a republican freed the slaves. Republicans will adopt “Kumba ya my lord Kumba ya” as their theme song and that Trump ran with Hillary not against her.

    • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

      Unpossible.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      Wait till he offers the VP slot to Bernie. Then we’ll see impeachment hearings.

    • They are already on the “Republicans freed the slaves” thing.

      • Khavrinen

        Lincoln was a Republican = Republicans freed the slaves, right?

  • Thiazin Red

    Watching Maisie Williams and Sophie Turner doing their Ned Stark impressions is amazing.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjTp0lfcgEE

    • I laughed way too much at that

    • DainBramage

      They’ve grown up in a weird world. Hope they’re doing OK. Too many kids with that much attention focused on them would be totally scrambled.

      • Thiazin Red

        It seems like the UK might be better at keeping child stars mentally healthy than the US.

    • lowenufc

      Met them both in Reykjavik. They were wonderful. And like any other teenagers.

      • DainBramage

        Good to hear.

    • Cousin Itt un mondialiste

      Um, who are they?

      –An oldz.

  • Along the way, Trump defended his use of Twitter and bragged that he went to “better schools” and lives “in a bigger, more beautiful apartment” than those who are considered elites.

    Really?

    Amy Schumer, for example has a $12.1 million 4,500 square feet, two floor 5 bedroom penthouse, over two floors and a coveted parking spot.

    How can Trump’s White Trash Apartment be that much nicer than a filthy mouth comedian?

    I don’t think Trump is a rich as he thinks he is!
    https://pics.onsizzle.com/the-truth-trump-is-poor-poor-values-poor-judgment-poor-9332722.png

    Trump is poor

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    Hey, thanks everybody for the encouragement and healing mojo in regards to Molly. She is still limping a bit, but back to her happy, active, inquisitive self. As I’m sure you know, I love this noble girl more than life itself, and seeing her in distress is incredibly upsetting for me. Y’all are the best.

    • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

      Good to hear that she is feeling better!

    • altleftjohn

      My elderly cat is just getting over an illness and he says Molotov to Molly.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Molly is the best, and I’m so glad she’s feeling better. Please give her a smooch on the snout for me.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        As we speak. Thank you.

  • Left Coast Tom

    Nice time picture…Lake Reflection (actual name of the lake), in Kings Canyon NP, several miles upstream from the actual Canyon, then south up the East Creek valley.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/efae85743561b03168661f3917166f491459c30f86fb66c9f2e5df222372cf65.jpg

    • hudson

      can we surface mine the hell out of this absurdity of a beauty please, even if for counter top granite?

      • Les Appentis De la résistance

        Let Nestle bottle the water and sell it.

    • Nounverb911

      Trumptwittersplosion in 3…2…1…

      • David Hollenshead

        Naw, that will come after our Führer Trump does an eight ball of coke….

      • OrG

        Always a safe bet.

  • Thiazin Red

    What the fuck? The AV Club got bought by the remnants of gawker and now it looks horrible. Horrible.

  • Cousin Itt un mondialiste
    • They run out of logs to toss up there?

      • Cousin Itt un mondialiste

        Aye, lassie. Tis a pity th’ scots hae na mair wood.

    • hudson

      what? why?

      ps: how did they do this?

    • altleftjohn

      Hey, no dick pics!

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      I bet that really hurt. How much laxative, I wonder?

  • Nounverb911
    • David Hollenshead

      My cats would love to play with the little doggie, long after they kill it …….
      Inky loved “shrew ball” the game of throwing a dead rat at the door, so she could catch it again….

  • 3FingerPete

    My half-ass genealogical research indicates my ancestors owned a respectable amount of land in colonial and post-revolutionary Maryland and North Carolina, and had moved to Texas shortly after independence. Chances are they both owned/contracted slaves and fought for/supported secession from the United States. In either case I in all good conscience consider them dicks for doing so.

    • DainBramage

      Not sure if I had any slave owning ancestors, it’s certainly possible. I do know for a fact that some of the Quakers on my mother’s side of the family helped the Underground Railroad.

      • YoBunnyBunny

        Now that’s heritage to be proud of!

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          Yeah, I like to think that my relatives didn’t fight in the Civil War, since we’re notorious cowards, but I’m sure some of them were on the wrong side of history.

      • David Hollenshead

        Excellent.

      • 3FingerPete

        Yeah, my family has none of that as far as I can tell. It’s slave states all the way down.

    • David Hollenshead

      A member of my dad’s family was recorded for owning a slave, which helps explain why my dad used African American hair straightening products.
      Note: That when reading the Slave Schedules [Census], keep in mind that families which technically owned a slave or two, that “slave” is likely to have been family. As killing a free African American in the south often would not result in prosecution, but killing a “Slave” was destruction of property and would. Also outside of New Orleans, many of the families which technically “Owned a Slave” were African American.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      I found out my family may have owned slaves because my father was on a bus talking to a black woman. He asked her what her last name was, and it was the same as ours, and our name isn’t that common. I had always just assumed we were too poor to own other people, but then it kind of made sense, because my great grandfather had had a pretty large farm which he’d split up between his seven sons. It was definitely a weird and unsettling feeling to know that your relatives might have owned other people.

      • If you trace our lineages back long enough, chances are, you are going to find everyone owned someone else, some time or other.

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          True, and I never even met any of them, so it’s not like I have anything in common with them.

          If you ever want to read about some bad ass ladies who were feminists and abolitionists in 1850s Charleston, SC, Google the Grimke sisters

          • ooo will do! I love me some badass feminist stories :D

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            I can’t remember the book I read about them, but they were hardcore bitches. They were WOMEN who left home in the 1850s as single women, to protest for women’s rights and the rights of African Americans. That might not seem like such a big deal now, but back then? Oh, brother. They were under threat of arrest if they returned to Charleston. They left home because of their beliefs. One of them was crushed that her father wouldn’t let her be a lawyer, even though he allowed her to learn how to read.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        It is unsettling.

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          I live in a historic town that’s very popular with tourists, and I always have tourists asking me for directions. One day I had a young black family ask me for directions to the old slave market. I gave them directions, and then walked away and thought “ok, that was weird.” I also was slightly heartened, because it made me realize how much things have changed. Things may not be perfect, but they’re sure a lot better than they were 175 years ago. Hell, maybe we can even survive Trump.

  • Bill D. Burger
    • What the hell is Stern and please tell me that is photoshopped?

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        “Stern”, means “Star” in German. It’s a major rag over there. It was prolly ‘shopped. But the magazine and that cover are real. I read that they sold out rather quickly.

        • Oh. Yay. Now the Nazis see the American Flag draped over a Nazi salute.
          Great.

        • h4rr4r

          The hint was that the cover has German on it.

          • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

            Oh, yeah.

            I just look at magazines for the pictures.

          • h4rr4r

            That was the only reason I ever picked up the Bild.

          • JustDon’tSayDignity

            ich sahe, was Sie da tun.

      • Mehmeisterjr

        Stern is something like Life and Look magazines only in German.

    • CripesAmighty

      Wohoo! Burn.

    • TJ Barke

      For a second there I was like “Howard Stern has a magazine?”

      • David Hollenshead

        Howard Stern reads ?!?!?!

  • Nounverb911
    • Does it really count as “Over an hour!” when he kept repeating himself over and over and over again?

      • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

        Yes. It’s the time, time that we will never get back.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        Donnie two times.

  • Bill D. Burger
    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      ^^^^^Appropriated.

    • DainBramage

      I did Nazi that coming.
      (Obligatory)

      • Crank Tango

        I can’t wait til we come up with a final solution to that joke.

        • JustDon’tSayDignity

          Keep arbeiten on it until you mach it go frei.

    • hudson

      isywydt.

  • Gah…i need to go log into my work computer and do work things. Stupid job

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      The things we do to be able to do the things we want.

    • hudson

      count your blessings. that we are all paid 4$/hr to endure this stupidity is a reward in and by itself. what i realized is most of us are not paid to be smart at jobs. smartness, you prove outside of job. the job you keep the gravy train running. don’t try to find meaning of life in job.

      • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

        That’s practically zen.

    • Welcome to my life. I’ve been told by my new boss that they expect me to just do after hours work without compensation, unless it’s at least an hour of work…

      • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

        Fuck that noise. I always kept track of the hours I worked and just took the comp time I wanted. They got nothing extra.

        • I don’t run a charity, they’re damn well compensating me for stuff. They just told me they weren’t going to.

          • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

            True Story ~ when I was working IT contract projects, in 2008 or so they started implementing schedule limits. AT&T wanted to know if you needed to work more than 45 hours during a week. The Home Depot flat refused to pay for more than 40 hours. So it became imperative for the contractor to set boundaries and limits.
            I was never offered an employment package at either place because I got the jobs done, but I didn’t offer them any extras like formatted documentation, recommendations for the future. Nope, not gonna do it. Needless to say, neither place offered me an employment contract. They did to the dumb asses that worked unpaid overtime.
            But since the IT audits at AT&T passed at 100%, I got called back 3 times. The Home Depot project was saved and brought in under budget but I would Never Ever go back to the Store Support Center. I have more stories, and they are not good.

          • Yeah, our main network tech works a shittonne of unpaid overtime, and the rest of us are constantly bitching at him to fucking stop it, ’cause it makes us look bad because we’re not LITERALLY WORKING FOR FREE.

            Fucking IT man, it’s ridiculous how little companies value the people who literally keep the systems running…

  • Picabo
    • TJ Barke

      They gotta ready their children for the coming of Gilead…

    • BosGrl

      Are those costumes Jesus approved?

    • Les Appentis De la résistance

      That’s fucked. Why are the dudes in a submissive pose?

    • MizzMazz

      Oh FFS! And they’re the persecuted ones? One day my 10 year old son came home from his very public school with a ‘prize’ he got for being good. It was a balsa wood glider (groovy) with rainbows and clouds on it (also groovy) that had ‘Jesus is Lord’ on it. I went to his teacher, and pointed out that as much as I was happy my boy was good in school that day, this wasn’t an appropriate reward.
      His answer: “Of all the parents here, you’re the only one who would complain about this!”
      Yes, yes I was, and I took it to the principal, who was just about as concerned as the teacher. There’s tons of this shit going on in our public schools, the ones they want to get rid of so bad.

      • My youngest informed me of the “Fish” club at his school. It is a Christian club. For Christians.
        I told him to start an agnostic club and call it Tuna.

        • MizzMazz

          LOL. I raised my son to think and choose for himself, but I also told him to be very careful around the other kids, because if you don’t buy into their god stuff, they will gang up on you. Hell, I’ve even had it happen at workplaces. Not a great state of affairs, but you have to protect yourself and your family if you are in that sort of environment.

          • He had it happen last year. He has a “Bro Code” or some such thing, whatever, him and his besties for years. New members come and go.
            One of the newer ones heard him say he was agnostic and told him he was going to hell. He told me about it, we spoke.
            The next day, same kid tried to get some of the others to join in, which they did, because boys. He told me about it, we talked.
            Third day the kid started telling the others that my son should not be in their Bro Code. This time, the other boys were like….what? Fuck off, dude, he’s our friend.
            I have hope for the future, yet.

          • MizzMazz

            That’s good., I’m glad he has friends who will stand up with him. Aside from the white polo shirt assholes and proud boy assholes (we’ll always have assholes) I think the kids are doing better, at least better than in my day, as far as accepting people for who they are than we did in the 70’s and 80’s.

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            When I was a kid in the 1970s I think we were far nicer and more inclusive than kids are now. Of course most of us were high, so docile and peaceful. Kids today seem kind of mean to me. Nobody took anti anxiety medication either.

          • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

            But we should have taken anti-anxiety meds. I know they would have helped me. The best I could do was flee home at 17 and never come back.

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            I stayed stoned throughout most of the 1970s, so I think that was my form of anti-anxiety medication. I think it’s probably healthier than taking pharmaceuticals.

          • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

            I hung with the stoners because in HS, they had the best parties, but I was straight edge. I was the permanent Designated Driver, which they all (and their parents) appreciated. Of the nerdy kids, from the academic program, I am warmly welcomed by everyone at the reunions. Good Times.

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            We could have used you at my high school – four kids who were in a higher grade than I was died in a drunken car crash, when they ran in to a tree after a party.

          • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

            That’s a shame. Yeah, my dad was a mean drunk so I was virtually substance free until I was 34 years old. The one exception that I would make was for pain meds for migraines that started when I was 17.

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            My dad was also a drunk, so I decided to follow in his footsteps, as did my brother, but we both eventually sobered up, while my dad died at 57 from a stroke (but really from smoking and drinking).

          • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

            That’s sad. My dad is 79 and if it weren’t for a strong heart, he’d be gone. He’s starting to lose it on a cognitive level. I expect my mom to get caretaker help in the next year.

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            In a way it was for the best. He had untreated depression, and he was kind of a nightmare to be around in the last few years of his life. It was a shame, because he was funny and likable, but he just dissolved in a puddle of depression. I think he thought taking anti-depressants was weak. Meanwhile, that’s what saved me.

          • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

            My daughter laughed at me, calling me “Designated Dave” . From a character in the movie Drive Me Crazy. I told her to go fuck herself.
            http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0022082/quotes

          • MizzMazz

            I guess it depends, like so many things, on the school, the environment, and what kind of class divisions there were. Not to mention if you ‘fit in’ or was popular or had money. I went from a fairly lower/middle class neighborhood to one that had a lot of rich kids tribalisms, plus I was socially awkward and not pretty, so I fell in with the ‘Bad Crowd’
            Thank goodness for them; we took care of each other. Now it doesn’t seem to be as big of a deal to be an out gay, or smart, or into a subculture that would get the snot kicked out of you in those days. There will always be mean kids though, count on it.

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            I was in a middle class neighborhood (that’s now kind of a rich neighborhood because prices have gone up so much), and most of the other kids were middle class. Our main pursuit was getting stoned, and pretty much every kid in the school was a stoner. We spent a lot of time listening to music.

            Luckily, I was popular, because I was funny. I don’t really remember any particular kid who got picked on since we didn’t spend a lot of time ostracizing other kids. I mean there were cliques and stuff, but nobody was really mean. One girl did commit suicide, but she was pregnant by the guidance counselor, so it wasn’t all fun and games.

    • Martini Ambassador 🍸

      Looks more Satanic than Christian to me, TBH.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Why do you hate America and God?

    • Persistent Demme

      It’s just to good to be true…
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBKQL6f5sec

  • Cock Blockula

    When I saw that abbreviation, VAGov, at first glance I thought it was shorthand for vagina and ovary.

  • GreenGoldSharpie

    So, question for all you guys.

    Have any of you felt completely disconnected after you relocated? I’m seriously missing my old life right now. Mostly my friends and, weirdly enough, my old job, my therapist, and my voice therapy.

    How’d you deal with it?

    • David Hollenshead

      By starting a new life in a new town.

      • GreenGoldSharpie

        I liked my life. I had to move for work.

        • JustDon’tSayDignity

          Oh, good point. I didn’t really like my last job or my last neighborhood. Or living in Texas.

          • David Hollenshead

            Understood, as I haven’t liked Portland since discovering that many of the white people here will believe the most pathetic rumors, if you are not as white as they are. And yes I am posting about both Portland Liberals and Conservatives.

        • David Hollenshead

          Time to find a new life, as you did move.

    • JustDon’tSayDignity

      I was lucky after this last move. I had pretty good neighbors who went out of their ways to connect. I had a dog to walk, so I passed by them a lot.

      • GreenGoldSharpie

        Well, I think part of it is I don’t move in until Saturday. I’m in a fucking hotel. >.<

        • JustDon’tSayDignity

          Oof. Yeah, hotels suck the life force out of me.

          • GreenGoldSharpie

            It really sucks. Even the fridge hates me. It froze all my food. *lol*

          • JustDon’tSayDignity

            That’s the opposite experience I have with most hotel fridges.

        • That will not help anything

        • Persistent Demme

          That’s a BIG part of it!
          Hotels can be very depressing.
          They’re very cold places.

    • BosGrl

      I volunteered for things and met a few people. I’m not much of a joiner but at least I started to feel like part of the community. If you’re on Facebook, your new town likely has a page that the townies post on; you can just lurk and learn a lot that way. Sometimes the library has events and even if you have to go alone, it helps a little. Mostly, it’s just time.

      • GreenGoldSharpie

        Well, it is Springfield, IL. SOMETHING must be going on. :-D

        • Me not sure

          Go to a meeting of the local Democratic Party and get involved. Help at a local food bank. Homeless shelters always need help. Network fom these.

        • Les Appentis De la résistance

          Definitely volunteer. I live wher you’re a foreigner if you weren’t born here. Now we’re accepted. It took 15 years.

          • BosGrl

            Yep – only here year, so I might as well have flown in from Mars.

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            In the town I live in, you’re considered a newcomer if you’ve lived here less than 50 years, and even then, you’re still suspect.

    • TJ Barke

      I don’t.

    • The first time I did it, I moped for two weeks and cried myself to sleep nightly. Then I met a couple new friends and things got better.
      The second time I did it, I went out minutes after driving up to the door and introduced myself to the curious neighbors looking about.
      The third time, I had kids, so when my kids brought outside toys out, other kids came over, and the neighbors followed.
      The fourth time I did it, I planted a metric shit ton of gardens and told my husband I wasn’t moving no mo

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      I don’t have much in the way of good advice, since the last time I relocated was 15 years ago. I found walking around, checking out some of the local shops and haunts, seemed to help get me recentered.

      • GreenGoldSharpie

        I think when I finish up moving this weekend I’m going to find downtown and take an afternoon and hang out.

        Plus, I’m only two hours from where I used to live. I do plan to spend every few weekends down there.

        • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

          Depending upon where you are, you need to make a careful decision as to whether to wear pants or not.

        • Persistent Demme

          Finding and walking around downtown will help a lot.
          Yelp a place for lunch, too.
          I have moved a bunch of times, and know how you feel.
          Are there any tours of the area that are run by locals?
          That’ll help, too.
          What about politics, or a community group of some kind?
          Sounds like you’re a little homesick.
          Give yourself time, and everything will be fine.

    • altleftjohn
    • Occam’s 8 ball

      Five years from now it will be home.

  • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

    O/T. Got up late and did absolutely nothing today. After all, I can’t exactly fire myself. I’m in a lull point after doing woodworking for several weeks, my next project involves programming and constructing a temperature controller to put in my A/V cabinet. No, there really isn’t anything I can buy OTS to do what I want and even if there was, it’s more fun to make my own gadgets sometimes. I have all the parts, now I just have to do some coding, soldering, testing and stuff like that.

    On second cigar. Still debating whether to pour some cognac or not.

    • clubseal

      There is nothing O/T on the open thread! Demerit!!!1!

      • O/T, but if you talk about the article itself, does that make you O/T on an open thread?

        • clubseal

          [Inserts Keanu Reeves in Bill and Ted meme]

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        In my case O/T means open thread.

        Okay, it does now.

    • OrdinaryJoe

      I’m at work waiting for traffic to calm down so I can go home. Fuc you. In a totally virtual non-comment comment way.

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        Copy that.

    • hudson

      how do you get there master?

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        By working at a fucked-up software engineering job at a major tech. company where I lost my mind and decided that I would have to be a free agent specialist in etc. between therapy sessions.

        • hudson

          hmm. so your are saying if one endures enough of this, better times are possible? interesting.

          • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

            Yeah. I guess so. If you are lucky.

    • 3FingerPete

      I could do that too if I only had the carpentry, coding, soldering and testing skills.

  • Everrett Fanuelli

    Did Trump remember to bring his pole to Festivus last night? Who did he wrestle for feats of strength?

    • DainBramage

      One thing you can say about Trumpie. He has The Airing of Grievances down pat.

      • Khavrinen

        Make every day Festivus!

        • RobespierreHoo

          Make every day White Festivus. Cue Bing “wife beater “Crosby…

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      My patience.

  • msanthropesmr
  • msanthropesmr

    I pickup up the mandolin for the first time in over a year. I can’t read a damn note :(

    • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

      I need to start lessons back.

      • msanthropesmr

        I hurt myself – pretty bad – elbow injury and couldn’t play. I was zoomin along too.

        • msanthropesmr

          NA Geek – is that normally aspirated?

        • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

          I have issues with hand strength.

    • h4rr4r

      What did you slice up?

      • msanthropesmr

        My fingers.

        • DrBigHead

          That exchange made me laugh. Thank you.

        • h4rr4r

          I took the pad right off a finger with a mandolin slicer once. That shit bled forever.

          • Me not sure

            That crinkle cut blade is the worst.

          • Persistent Demme

            OMG!
            This is what I’m afraid of EVERY time I see someone (usually a chef), use a mandolin with their bare hands.
            (I use mine a lot, but only with a guard.)

          • h4rr4r

            I still use my bare hands. It grew back.

          • Persistent Demme

            Dammit, h4rr4r!

    • DrBigHead

      I have been trying to re-learn the saxophone after about a 30 year hiatus. Decided to jump right in by downloading the sheet music for Take Five. The boy plays double bass, so the two of us are trying to learn it together. We both wonder how long until Ms. BigHead throws us out of the house.

      • msanthropesmr

        NERD JAZZ

        • DrBigHead

          That’s me. Had an opportunity to see Brubeck and two of his sons about a year before he passed. They had to help him get to the piano. Once there, however, he tore it up. The joy on the faces of the three of them while they played made the evening.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Once you get a handle on it, come down a play it with me, Drublic Jr. and the boys some night…we throw it in as a cover from time to time. Warning: We play it in D instead of E flat.

        • msanthropesmr

          I thought you played that naughty punk rock?

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            One band is surf/twang/punk. The other is punk-ish acoustic, with some traditional, bluegrass, Django/Grisman nouveau acoustic stuff mixed in.

          • msanthropesmr

            I’ve plateaued again in my playing ability. I need to go back to lessons or something. Or play with others, but noone wants to play with a 47 year old jackass round here.

          • DrBigHead

            You need to find a 60 year old jackass like me!

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Dude, I plateaued in my playing 20 years ago…but playing with others IS key. For reasons I can’t explain, some of the guys I play with are real first-call players, so I’m motivated mostly by not wanting to make a fool of myself in front of them.

            And in our band, you’d be known as “youngster”.

        • DrBigHead

          That is what has been kicking my ass. That and the fact that I have absolutely no hope of ever playing the upper register like Paul Desmond. Having a hell of a lot of fun, though.

          • NorthernSaber

            Maybe a change in ligature? I’m a trumpet guy but sax cats I’ve gigged with over the years have often messed around with them to tweak things like their range. Just a thought. Keep at it!

        • NorthernSaber

          Heresy! I played that so many times there’s no way I could ever play it in any other key. Fun fact- we used to do 15-minute versions of “Take Five”, with a quote from Sting’s “We work the black seam together” thrown in, and our bassist would loop that 5/4 groove and then play off himself. Worked well at stoner festivals…

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            For a hacker like myself, E flat is a little harder to wrap my brain around on the guitar.

            Somewhere, I have a joke about a drunk in a club asking Frank Sinatra to sing “Strangers In The Night” in 5/4 time. When Frank looks at him blankly, the drunk croons “strangers in the fuckin’ night. See!”

          • NorthernSaber

            Man, that’s beautiful! Can only hope that story is true! We almost never blew over the bridge on “Take Five”- lots of motion on those changes- but we’d often head into a really funky “Mission Impossible” vamp on the “A” section and that worked well. Only thing we did in 5/4. Was probably enough! How are the Fall gigs looking out there?

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Yeah…the bridge isn’t the hook, but it makes the tune really happen.

          • NorthernSaber

            That it does- and I always loved bringing down the hammer on that first lick, with a nice crescendo on that rising line. On a good night I could get I could get the first four bars on one breath. Not sure I’d get it now!

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            When we do it, we do the head, then people take their breaks over the A for as long as they want; when they give me a nod, I go straight to the bridge. Rinse, repeat.

          • NorthernSaber

            Good tactic. Allows a nice clean reset for each cat. We’d do the same thing on “Round Midnight”, of all things. Not sure why now…

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Now THAT is a hip tune.

          • NorthernSaber

            For me it simply IS jazz. Harmon mute, stem pulled. So close to the mic you can hear the valves on the horn. Sparse piano voicings behind first “A” section. Late in the third set- maybe even last call. We used it to close our last show at a venue a few years ago and there were tears…

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Nice.

    • hudson

      well duh!!

      • msanthropesmr

        I didn’t think it be that bad!!

        • hudson

          so from whatever little i know, music and math are some of the hardest things to down. people spend entire lifetimes chasing a corner of these.

          almost everything worth learning seems to take devotion.

          • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

            I got the math down. I can’t play music for shit. Nor can I dance worth a darn.

            I’ll dance and sing anyway once I have had enough to drink, though.

          • hudson

            side note: my BIL is in this weird zone about number theory. Stuff like he’ll read random numbers plates and declare “sum of squares of primes”. The guy is irritatingly correct all the time. I hate it.

    • JustDon’tSayDignity

      Well, there’s your mistake. You’re supposed to set it on a flat surface, and use the veggie holder thing.

    • Dudleydidwrong

      A mandolin burns longer than a ukulele. That’s the good news.

      • msanthropesmr

        And a banjo burns longer than either.

        • Dudleydidwrong

          For long, slow gourmet cooking nothing beats a bass viol, although two cellos will work in a pinch.

  • David Hollenshead

    It sounds like the GOP is moving towards Impeachment, but very slowly.
    They understand that within a decade, Führer Trump will be gone, but the stain on their party will remain……

    • msanthropesmr

      Oh you optimist, you.

      • David Hollenshead

        Have you noticed that National Review and other Conservative Media is becoming more anti-Führer Trump every day???
        It’s almost as thought they realized that he is not a Republican, or even that he is a Traitor & white supremacist…….

        • msanthropesmr

          I want to believe.

          • David Hollenshead

            See it for yourself…..

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            I do too, but I don’t see Republicans putting the country over their party, especially if it jeopardizes their precious tax cuts for the wealthy.

        • Three Finger Salute

          It’s called damage control. They were fine with dog-whistle hatred under the guise of “free-market conservatism,” but blatant Nazism? Nah, that’s just too much.

          Then again, have a look at what this guy wrote about Obama’s blueprint for reversing the tide of redlining and gentrification that has an effect on all poor people, but poor people of minority status especially:

          Attention America’s suburbs: You have just been annexed

          Gore Vidal was right: Wm F Bucktooth was a crypto-Nazi. That his rag publishes a writer who claims that helping poor people afford places in the “nice” neighborhoods amounts to a reverse Anschluss or reverse colonization says all you need to know. Fuck the Nationalist Review.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfw8fWUQKnE

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            I was kicked off of the NRO, and I’m very proud of that fact.

          • Badge of honor!

      • BJW

        I really don’t think Trump will simply resign, not before trying to take as many enemies out however he can. I’m hoping it does NOT include a nuclear strike.

    • Michael R
    • CripesAmighty

      They’ll only toss him overboard once the fo’c’sle slips beneath the waves.

      • msanthropesmr

        WTF is a foclsl?

        • CripesAmighty

          Abbr. forecastle–upper deck of the bow.

          • msanthropesmr

            Like a foreskin?

          • CripesAmighty

            Sure, why not.

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Yeah. I’m sure they will get a round tuit in say, 2019 or so.

      • CripesAmighty

        Here’s the real deal: He can lay waste to half the Middle East and *yawn*; Spark riots across the land: *snore*.
        When the equity markets roll over and start to crash, they’ll light him up like Hiroshima.

        • This right here.
          When they are personally hurt, and no sooner.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    I’ve lately taken to recording Nicole Wallace’s show on MSNBC to skim through later when I get home. Whatever else might be said about her, she is expansive and unsparing in her utter contempt for Trump, and unafraid to unequivocally call out his aides, apologists, and lickspittles for enabling his pathological behavior. One of her guests openly called Trump a sociopath today, and another said it was “just a matter of time” before Trump’s Brownshirts attack and hurt or kill a journalist, and that the blood would be on his hands. I know we’ve been saying the same thing for a couple of years now, but it’s encouraging to see it getting expressed more openly.

    • Three Finger Salute

      People are going to be talking about it more and more, believe me…

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Nicole Wallace and Steve Schmidt both seem to have had a come to Jesus moment when they were tasked with being Palin’s minders. I’m sure that can scar a person. Ana Navarro also seems to have had a little bit of a reckoning, although she still supports all of the GOP’s awul ideas.

      Is Molly’s leg feeling better?

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        She is, thank you. Still a little tender, but much better, I thanked everyone for their good will in a post about an hour ago, if you want to scroll WAY down.

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          Glad she’s feeling better.

      • CripesAmighty

        Love Schmidt. His wit is sharp as a rapier and dry as the desert.

      • ltmcdies

        well Steve is atoning for foisting Palin on McCain, I’m thinking.

        wasn’t she Schmidt’s idea as a Hail Mary during 2008

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          Palin was Bill Kristol’s incredibly stupid idea. Wallace and Schmidt were her minders, a job they both hated. From what I’ve heard, they thought she was a moron.

    • BosGrl

      I like her. I think she’s a traditional Republican, like Steve Schmidt, who hate what has happened to their party. One of the few positive things you could say about Bush is that he wasn’t a racist Nazi who hated immigrants.

      • Jenny

        It has come to that! Actually saying nice things about Bush!

        • BosGrl

          I always only liked him for that one thing. He didn’t fuel the anti-Muslim stuff after 9/11 and IIRC he was for immigration reform.

          • This is true. And as libtards, we can see the …what’s the word. The good traits? Sure. Of our opposition.
            Bush did good on that one thing. Fuck him anyway, but he did do that one thing.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            I will give him credit for trying very hard to avoid anti-Muslim hatred in the wake of 9/11. That’s pretty much it.

          • BosGrl

            I think as libs we can give credit where due. The regressives? not so much.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            One of my favorite “expert” commentators is Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, who was Colin Powell’s chief of staff (I had a couple of email exchanges will the Col. once, and he was extremely gracious). He readily admits the biggest mistake of his life was not resigning when Bush and Co. trotted out Powell for the infamous WMD press conference. He confesses that he doesn’t sleep well at night over it to this day. I mean, once someone genuinely apologizes, shows, remorse, and tries to right the wrongs, I see no point in picking at their bones anymore.

          • Permit-holder Ron

            Agreed. That is, after all, what we’d expect from ourselves, n’est-ce pas?

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Well…I find it very important to keep kicking my own ass for mistakes I made decades ago, but…

          • ltmcdies

            he also did a lot of work on AIDS in Africa, I believe.

            and his Muslim response immediately post 9/11 is not a small thing. Can you imagine what would happen if the same were to happen next week.

            so he gets two credits…put up against the Crash and the Iraq War…..

          • Hm. Not sure he is breaking even, yet. Cause the one was words, and the other someone else’s money. But those other two got people dead and homeless.

          • Permit-holder Ron

            He is HUGELY popular in Africa for that, and it got zero publicity.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Bushies have some answering to do about some of their own more subtle dog whistling, but that said, they are genuinely appalled by Trump.

        • I have the feeling they are only appalled because he is uncouth though :/ Seem to be ok with almost everything he did other than Nazis are good people”

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Not Nicole Wallace. Check her out. She’s appalled by the way he fucking BREATHES.

          • Has she spoken out about de-regulation of both the fossil industry and wall street? Or said how his racist ban thing was unamerican? Or mentioned that Gorsuch and bending down to the evangelical nutballs are not a good thing for our courts?
            Cause if not, it is because he is uncouth. If so, we may have a chance (but I will need to take your word for it, since I lack the cable)

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            To be honest, I don’t know. She IS a Republican, for chrissakes, so I’m not expecting an epiphany on the road to Damascus…ass or no ass. Be she seems to have a soul and a degree of self-awareness. I don’t confuse her for an ally, but she hates Trump with unbridled fury. I’ll take what I can get at this point.

        • alpacapunchbowl

          Yeah, my mom has despised him from the beginning, didn’t vote for him.
          Get her on a roll after a few glasses of wine or scotch and the things she says about him would make any of us wonkers proud.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Record a drunk-rant sometime and share it with us…with all respect to your mom.

          • alpacapunchbowl

            Ha, all my friends tell me they want to drink with AlpacaMum. When she’s firing on all cylinders, she is an absolute hoot, that’s for sure.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Well, raise a glass to/with her on my behalf next time, then!

          • alpacapunchbowl

            Slàinte!

  • Everrett Fanuelli

    WIth all the racism this clip is stuck in my mind for some reason

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb9jB0arMBs

  • La forza del resistino

    Ex Dir of Nat’l Intelligence, James Clapper says Donald may not possess the intelligence for the WH office. Dude, you had one job to do (it’s in the job title ffs) for over 4 years and it took you 8 months to come to this conclusion?

    • David Hollenshead

      I know a former “contractor for the federal government”, and his estimate of Führer Trump’s IQ is 95….

      • msanthropesmr

        About right, I’d say.

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        That must be a metric IQ, then.

        • OutOfOrbit

          it do seem kinda high

        • David Hollenshead

          As opposed to fractional ???

          • msanthropesmr

            It sure ain’t percentile.

      • yyyaz

        His mom told him it was on a scale of 0-100.

      • CripesAmighty

        Generous.

      • La forza del resistino

        throw out a dozen mulligans and kick ins and 95 would be a good score for 18 holes for Donald.

      • Dudleydidwrong

        Is there a missing decimal point? Just wonderin’.

    • Me not sure

      Congratulations! You managed to use intelligence in two ways in the same sentence as Trump’s name without attributing either to him. Well done.

    • The Wanderer

      The CBC were interviewing an author this afternoon. The book he wrote detailed how Schlesinger and Kissinger violated the law by convincing the generals to ask them for confirmation if Nixon went sideways and opened the codes (even to taking the ‘football’ away from him in the closing days of his administration).

  • Michael R

    A repeat for anyone who missed it , I went to the river after work yesterday and took this , now I know how to make movies and turn them into gifs .
    The dog who keeps my world in balance …

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e0f7a521adbd7e97590dfe7ecac4ffdf6883d1efe33e88e3d3b400120903b043.gif

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Dogs are the best.

      • David Hollenshead

        Nope, Cats are….
        And Cats know that Dogs will eat from the litter box….

        • msanthropesmr

          TOOTSIE ROLLS!

          • Jamoche

            ALMOND ROCA!

        • Cats really are the best.
          But dogs are rather nice too. Both sides do it!

        • Michael R
          • David Hollenshead

            Excellent !!!

          • hudson

            lol. jealous cat!!

        • Persistent Demme

          Something I don’t get.
          Dog people are always told that cats are waaaay cleaner than dogs (and dogs can be gross!).
          But cats pee and poop INDOORS!
          (And not just when they are kittens!)
          That is some smelly, nasty stuff!

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          Nope, dogs are the best creatures in the world.

    • I love the perspective of this gif XD GIANT DOG CONQUERS THE DESERT

      • Parakeetist

        Yes

    • Me not sure

      Who’s a good boy? It’s you!

    • hudson

      nice.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      What a lovely puppy!

      • I love the wiggly hips. I wanna snuggle him and scratch behind his ears

    • Parakeetist

      Good dog!

  • mardam422

    I’m sorry. My tweet that told you to go fuck yourself was interpreted in a way I never intended.

  • “The war of Northam aggression”

    That poor bastard.

    • David Hollenshead

      Dropped on head as a child ???

    • hudson

      what now?

    • La forza del resistino

      I used to get off at the Northam station on the MTA daily.. No, not that way you pervs.

    • h4rr4r

      The War of Southern Treason

      • Parakeetist

        Holy Shit 600,000 People Died. That’s what I think we should call it.

        • That works for me. If we stopped giving cute names to wars and started calling them “8 million people were killed” and so on, maybe we would be less fond of them?

        • h4rr4r

          Because of the Treasonous South.

  • OrdinaryJoe
  • Shanzgood

    Kobach’s office threw out thousands of ballots in the 2016 election.

    Only six states — all among the top 10 in population — discarded more votes during the 2016 election than the 33rd-largest state of Kansas, according to data collected by the bipartisan U.S. Election Assistance Commission, a federal agency that certifies voting systems. Kansas’ 13,717 rejected ballots even topped the 13,461 from Florida, which has about seven times as many residents.

    http://cjonline.com/news/local/state-government/2017-08-23/uncounted-kansas-ballots-fuel-fears-about-kris-kobach-s

    • TJ Barke

      Corrupt fuckers.

    • Michael R

      How do you know how many were democrat vs republican ?
      Is all the information lost ?
      Kobach might be in trouble here .

      • OutOfOrbit

        kansas peeps meesed up moar ballots is the prob

        • Michael R

          Now I have to read stuff .
          I was told there would be no homework .

          • OutOfOrbit

            it snot my fault

      • Shanzgood

        A lot of it was registrations getting screwed up, lost, etc., on online and at the DMV. Provisional ballots were tossed because there was no record the voters had registered unless they could show a copy they’d printed out from their online registration.

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      Someone has a Master’s from the Ken Blackwell School of Secretary of Statin’

  • Juan de Fuca

    Way O/T but heard this song on the drive home today and wanted to share it because it’s good.

    https://youtu.be/qaeWss85_vg

  • Three Finger Salute

    “For many of us, it’s deeply personal”: Latino conservatives don’t think Trump understands what an Arpaio pardon would mean

    Duh, ya think?

    Oh, and BTW: Trump doesn’t understand anything but his name and feeding his ego.

    I’m at a point where, much as I hate to fall into the whole tribalism trap (and don’t like the excesses on the left either, whether it’s Bernie Bros holding the sensible centrist liberals hostage, or not properly prioritizing life-or-death concerns that severely affect millions of people across demographic lines, because someone wore a sombrero to a Halloween party), I really am beginning to think myself that there aren’t any good conservatives and there’s really nothing redeemable about this whole movement altogether.

    You knew he was a snake!

    • h4rr4r

      Latinx Republicans make as much sense to me as gay Republicans.

      • Ninja0980

        LGBT Republicans think their $$$ will save them from camps so they can afford to be assholes to everyone else.

        • h4rr4r

          I assumed it was the same for both groups.

        • Bongstar420

          As long as they got theirs…right!

          Obviously, rights only matter if they are for rich people.

        • Further proof that to be conservative these days, you must lack all empathy and compassion until something happens to you, personally.

      • OutOfOrbit

        Latex Republicans bedder

      • David Hollenshead

        Keep in mind that many Latino Americans are Social Conservatives, and that some Fiscal Conservatives are pro-gay rights…
        The issue is that our two party system can’t represent the diversity of our people.

        • Bongstar420

          Fiscal Conservatism is a disguise for pro rich
          Same for Social Cons.

        • h4rr4r

          Since the GOP hates both groups for who they are, I don’t see how any of that matters. I am sure at some point there were Jewish fascists, I would hope they were not Hitler supporters.

          • David Hollenshead

            You are assuming that the GOP or DP are a thing, they are not, they are a group of things……..

          • h4rr4r

            Yes, and the core of the GOP group would have these people deported or killed if they could.

          • David Hollenshead

            That depends on which state you are talking about.

          • h4rr4r

            No, it does not. I live in NY state, the Republicans live between the cities. Those areas might as well be Alabama.

          • David Hollenshead

            Nope, I’ve noticed that the members of both parties vary depending on the state…..

          • h4rr4r

            Well I am glad you are so observant. So much so that no one else can see these subtle differences.

            Tell me is is mostly in how they want to implement their final solution?

          • David Hollenshead

            You really should meet some of them, as they vary from Social Conservatives to Fiscal Conservatives.
            Like us, many of them have a love hate relationship with their party.
            And many of them despise our Führer Trump, and the Turtle.

          • h4rr4r

            All of them are apparently ok with racism and homophobia.

            Social conservatives are not people I have much interest in meeting. I remember plenty from my youth. I have no need to meet more hateful bigots.

          • David Hollenshead

            Some are clearly ok with racism and homophobia.
            However some are people who have different views than we do.
            And I do listen to them, without prejudice.
            But then I realize that to make a National Health Service, what you need the input from fiscal conservatives……

          • If they are fiscal conservatives putting their money ahead of other people’s civil rights and voting GOP so they can be richer, fuck them.
            If they are social conservatives and voting to hurt the poor so those gay guys can’t get married, fuck them also.

          • David Hollenshead

            Most of them are not like that.
            Some SCs would have been cool with gay marriage, if only it was called something different.
            Some FCs are not thinking about personal wealth, but rather a balanced budget.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            “Some FCs are not thinking about personal wealth, but rather a balanced budget.”

            some maybe, but not most. It’s obviosu when suddenly the national debt doesn’t mean dick to them.

          • David Hollenshead

            Particularly in your state of Texas.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            yeah, turn around and look at D.C.

          • David Hollenshead

            DC is full of millionaires and billionaires.
            The problem is that they are no longer just lobbyists….

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            i was referring to the alleged fiscal conservatives.

          • GOPers tend to be more “moderate” if they are running for election in a blue state. If they are in a red state they let their rage flag fly.
            That is the only difference.

          • Paging Pam Geller…..

    • David Hollenshead

      “Bernie Bros holding the sensible centrist liberals hostage”
      As a Socialist I have to point out that most of us voted for the Republican known as Secretary Clinton over the Fascist known as Führer Trump.

      • Bongstar420

        Yes. I voted republican lite. It is the lesser of two evils- god forbid.

      • OutOfOrbit

        yes we did

      • Everrett Fanuelli

        And this, Ladies and Gentleman, is why Trump is in office.

        • David Hollenshead

          How, as I stated voting for Secretary Clinton ???

          • Everrett Fanuelli

            Not so much voting for her as buying into the narrative of “she’s a warhawk, she’s a wall street crony, she’s etc. etc.”

          • efoveks

            Maybe his supporting Bernie wasn’t reactionary at all as it related to Hillary Clinton. Please remember that Dok and Robyn and many other free thinking people supported Bernie Sanders for his ideas like education for all and health care reform.

          • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

            That is true. The problem for us Clinton supporters was that Clinton has been advocating and designing programs to address both of these problems, and more, for three decades, and she in fact created, negotiated, and designed Universal Health Care in the 1990s, while Bernie voted against it. To suggest that these were even Bernie’s ideas–when he’d done nothing effective at all–and his assertion that we need “single payer” was completely ignoring the political reality of a Republican congress who barely passed the ACA–is what bothers us, especially when he, and his followers, spent so much energy bashing and lying about Clinton.

          • David Hollenshead

            Actually we need a National Health Service, due to the costs of billing, and even Nixon figured this out, just before his ill-fated Watergate Coverup…..

          • CripesAmighty

            So, the votes counted less if backed by impure thoughts? Just so we have this straight.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Honestly, I’m pretty sure that was sarcasm.

          • David Hollenshead

            That wasn’t my complaint, nor did I buy into the BS, but yes, she would have been considered a Republican before the DP shifted to the Right…….

          • Actually, the DP has never been lefter than her. I am not sure where people keep getting that, but in our long and storied history, we have /always/ been moving steadily lefter.
            Yes, Bill was more left than Kennedy.
            Yes, Hillz is more left than Bill.

          • Everrett Fanuelli

            That’s a matter of context isn’t it?

      • Carpe Vagenda

        I recognize that you feel marginalized here, but can you step back and acknowledge that you just validated every bro stereotype out there?

        • Bongstar420

          Why would a socialist feel marginalized here?

          Are we a bunch of commies or captalistas?

        • David Hollenshead

          Nope, as I voted Sanders in the Primary and Clinton in the General.
          The so called stereotype was Sanders Supporters voting for Führer Trump.

          • Bongstar420

            Thats retarded. You can’t vote trumpski if Bernie was an option.

            its like policies don’t even matter to these dimwits.

          • Everrett Fanuelli

            You’re correct. Many, not all, but many Sanders supporters voted 3rd party or took their ball and went home in the general.

          • David Hollenshead

            So did many Republicans, but that is not what cost Clinton the election……

          • Everrett Fanuelli

            That is something that cost her the election. Not just that though. Voter suppression, overwhelmingly negative news stories in the media about Clinton versus the few about Trump and fake Russian stories portraying Clinton in a negative light, some directed at Bernie supporters who may have voted Clinton, also cost her the election.

          • David Hollenshead

            The primary thing that cost Clinton the Election was failing to address the concerned of working class & rural Americans….
            But yes there were also things that were not her fault…..

          • Everrett Fanuelli

            She didn’t? I stand corrected. Or mayyybeeee it was the fact that those things didn’t get as much attention as Benghazi and emails and news that was directed at BoBs about Clinton was there to validate their confirmation bias.

          • David Hollenshead

            Nope, not according to the people who lived in Michigan…..

          • According to the exit polls, most the working class went for Hillz and the middle class (white suburbs!) went for Trump
            http://www.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls

          • David Hollenshead

            That depends on which part of the state we are talking about….

          • The entire state. It is a state by state.
            In state by state, she did better with the working class.
            So she did reach the working class. It is the middle-middle and upper class white people she did not reach.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            “It is the middle-middle and upper class white people she did not reach.”

            They had dreams of tax cuts clogging their brains.

          • They thought those tax cuts would be theirs.
            I am going through state by state now and it seems the same precise story in all of them. Poorer people voted hillary. Lower middle class people voted Hillary.
            She DID reach the working class. They were, unfortunately, outvoted by, it would seem, those with better means. Not that it surprises me: Lots of people are complacent and don’t wanna fret about losing a penny of what /they/ made.

          • Permit-holder Ron

            You mean, all those speeches about tho