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Hooray, we have excerpts from Hillary Clinton’s new book! Now, some (sexist) Americans are pretty sure Hillary should just go away and not write words or go out in public or do anything to remind us she exists, especially since she has the audacity to suggest that external factors like Russian interference and James Comey’s famous flaming turd of a letter ELEVEN DAYS before the election might have contributed to her loss. Why won’t she just admit that she only won the popular vote by three million, yet barely lost in the Electoral College, because she is a yucky shrill lady who compulsively makes secret speeches about Benghazi to Goldman Sachs through her disgusting email server?

But back here in the real world, we’re excited to read What Happened, Clinton’s frank account of No, For Real, What The Hell Happened in the 2016 election. You can pre-order the book and hear the full excerpts if you click right here (or just watch the “Morning Joe” video below, at least until it gets yanked). One is her author’s note about why she wrote the book, and the other is her account of that debate where Donald Trump stalked her and breathed all over her like the disgusting pig man he is. She struggles with the question that has always dogged her, the damned if she does, damned if she doesn’t conundrum that’s been a part of her political life since the beginning:

This is not OK, I thought. It was the second presidential debate, and Donald Trump was looming behind me. Two days before, the world heard him brag about groping women. Now, we were on a small stage, and no matter where I walked, he followed me closely, staring at me, making faces. It was incredibly uncomfortable. He was literally breathing down my neck. My skin crawled. It was one of those moments where you wish you could hit pause and ask everyone watching, “Well, what would you do?” Do you stay calm, keep smiling and carry on as if he weren’t repeatedly invading your space? Or do you turn, look him in the eye, and say loudly and clearly, “BACK UP, you creep. Get away from me. I know you love to intimidate women, but you can’t intimidate me, so BACK UP.”

I chose Option A, I kept my cool, aided by a lifetime of dealing with difficult men trying to throw me off. I did, however, grip the microphone extra hard. I wonder, though, whether I should’ve chosen Option B. It certainly would have been better TV! Maybe I have over-learned the lesson of staying calm, biting my tongue, digging my fingernails into a clenched fist, smiling all the while, determined to present a composed face to the world.

Uh oh, don’t look now, but Hillary Clinton is saying she might have made a mistake! She’s apologizing! (Because she always has to apologize for everyfuckinglittlething, even when she’s saying completely true things.)

Of course, what would have happened if she had told Trump off in that debate? PICK US, WE KNOW! We would have had to deal with one-thousand hours of “both sides” TV from Chuck Todd, Mark Halperin and various and sundry other motherfuckers who inexplicably make more money than we do, talking about what an ANGRY LADY moment she had, which would have inevitably led to thinly veiled sexism about whether she had the EMOTIONAL LADY COMPOSURE to be president.

Jesus Christ, do you all remember what it was like during the 2008 Democratic Primary, when Hillary Clinton accidentally shed a tear in New Hampshire? She was obviously crying for conniving political reasons, because it’s not possible she’s an actual living, breathing human being, is it? “Fuck no,” said Maureen Dowd, as she set to chomping on her morning pot brownie and started writing her column that day.

God, the American media sucks sometimes (most of the time).

Anyway, good book-writin’, Hillary Clinton! We will probably read it twice, once while crying and then again in a few months just because we LIKE HER.

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  • House0fTheBlueLights

    If I click through to Amazon from Hillary’s link, does Wonkette still get Amazon whore diamonds? Or should I use the Amazon link in the sidebar?

  • Oblios_Cap

    God, the American media sucks sometimes.

    FIFY

  • Still think she should have titled it, “Really? Really? How are you liking your decision now, fuckwits?”

    • Oblios_Cap

      Or “Bite Me, Pinheads”

    • jesterpunk

      This should have been the title and cover of the book.

      https://pics.me.me/fuck-all-yall-a-memoir-by-the-bitch-who-fucking-22274410.png

      • NastyBossetti

        That would be a great book to keep on the coffee table.

        • jesterpunk

          I would order copies for Bernie bros and Trump supporters who regret their vote.

      • Msgr_MΩment

        Trump’s memoir of the 2016 Election and charges of Russian collusion will be entitled If I Did It.

        • Three Finger Salute

          With a foreword by Geraldo Rivera, fresh off the “investigative journalism” trail at Mar-a-Lago where he’s looking for Nicole’s real killer, Hillary’s missing emails… and Trump’s missing balls.

      • Darlene Underdahl

        I don’t think this country can handle a woman president. The women will hate her just as much as the men. Must be that old-time religion.

        • NastyBossetti

          We should try it and find out!

          • Three Finger Salute

            No, I don’t think that’s a good idea. This time it’d be President Jackie’s brain tissue splattered in her pillbox hat. America is not a nice country; therefore we can’t have nice things.

        • Peter Dahu

          I think the US could. Had Hillary had Elizabeth Warren as VP might have helped her win.

  • Bill D. Burger

    I wish Hillary would release a book of all of her already-released emails, dedicate it to Donald Trump and tell him to shove it up his ass …. sideways.

  • Christopher Story

    Remember, Hillary didn’t lose! 2,800,000 more votes than Trump. The electoral college fucked up everything, because the electoral college decided that 2.8mil is less than 78k.

    • Oblios_Cap

      That must be the New Math I’ve been hearing about.

      • Latverian Diplomat

        Set and Group theory libelz!

        Seriously, the New Math gets a bum rap.

      • Christopher Story

        More like Republican Math.

      • Three Finger Salute

        In 2000 it was called “fuzzy math”.

        • Celtic_Gnome

          In 1980, it was called “Voodoo Economics”.

    • jesterpunk
    • Latverian Diplomat

      “Due to the vast cultural differences between the states, it’s important that the President be chosen by a collection of small winner take all contests instead of one nationwide vote.”
      — Actual Pseudo-intellectual argument used by the Republican EC apologists, as dusted off from 2000.

      • Christopher Story
        • Bobathonic

          “The White Establishment” says it all.

        • NastyBossetti

          Yes, I do want that.

          • Msgr_MΩment

            The write that like it’s a bad thing.

        • Three Finger Salute

          Votes come in, get thrown out. You can’t explain that.

        • teele

          Who is that guy? He looks kinda familiar, wasn’t he on a sitcom?

          • Christopher Story

            Yeah… He pretended to be a news anchor. Something like “Anchor Man” but more self-righteous.

          • Celtic_Gnome

            Colbert used to have him on as a guest. Maybe a stand-up?

      • spangled

        “there are vast cultural differences between the states, so 50,000 people in the pennsylvania or ohio suburbs should decide every election”

    • Peter Dahu

      Sorry but the electoral college was the rule coming in. Hillary lost. Thanks to bad campaigning and treating the election like a coronation.

  • La forza del resistino
  • jesterpunk

    Oh people are mad that Hillary wrote a book and has parts on the internet?

    http://artfcity.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/tumblr_occ999XXRp1vaqoiqo1_400.gif

    • Latverian Diplomat

      I think I remember that episode. Spock saved the day because Vulcan males have a second, inner dick…

      • Courser_Resistance

        They made a cartoon out of bad fanfiction?

    • grindstone

      The first comments on the Huffpost article on this book are all about how HRC and DWSchultz should have stepped aside for Bernie, and then we wouldn’t be in this mess. Fuck the Bernie Bros, too.

      • jesterpunk

        Those are the people I am talking about.

  • timpundit

    Whenever I read anything about post-election Hillary I get so mad at the fucking idiot, “other” voters it’s not worth it, but I’d still like to see her get revenge.

    • Eileen Besse

      I’m with you right there.

  • dslindc
    • Eileen Besse

      WTAF???!!!

    • Joe Beese
      • Latverian Diplomat

        But her emails speeches!

        • Joe Beese

          The “Foreword by Julian Assange” made me think this had to be a spoof, but no it’s real.

      • jesterpunk

        Assange has a thought? He should just shut up and stay in the basement .

      • Msgr_MΩment

        Misspelled Asssmange.

      • spangled

        Barf. I would rather stick pins in my eyes than read something written by Assange.

        Also, I read those Goldman Sachs speeches, and they are truly not the evil people wanted them to be. They’re mostly just boring.

        AND, they don’t even have their “Clinton is a corporate whore” narrative right. If Clinton lost, Goldman Sachs should have too, isn’t SHE supposed to BE Goldman Sachs?

    • SomeBigRedDog

      I can tell its going to be a best seller by how it hasn’t come out yet but Amazon already says I can get for free on my Kindle unlimited. Unlike Clinton’s book for which they want $14.99.

    • $9.99 for a 43 page book that hasn’t been written yet, and won’t be released until Sept 11… Fuck, those people love their grift!

      • NastyBossetti

        As if 9/11 weren’t a bad enough day, now we have to add THIS book release to it?

  • Joe Beese

    Is she donating the author’s royalties to charity?

    • ariel_gee_398

      Probably the grift-machine that is the Clinton Foundation. What has that scam organization ever done, other than actually help people.

      • CripesAmighty

        Help people?! Communism!…takers….bootstraps…arglebargle….

    • Thiazin Red

      Don’t care, shes earned them. She can blow them all on really expensive sandwiches for all I care.

      • Joe Beese

        I only wonder as it might have bearing on “why she wrote the book”, you know?

        • UnsaltedSinner

          I think most people who write books expect to be paid for the work.

  • NastyBossetti

    “Maybe I have over-learned the lesson of staying calm, biting my tongue, digging my fingernails into a clenched fist, smiling all the while, determined to present a composed face to the world.”

    This is true of too many women I know.

    • Courser_Resistance

      I’d learned that lesson by jr high.

    • eyelashviper

      You betcha, and if that lurking creep is a business associate, or worse, a boss, it becomes even more difficult and painful.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Plan B wouldn’t have worked out well either because THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED that way.

      • Three Finger Salute

        America doesn’t do well with demographic precedents — or presidents, for that matter. The voters decided they’d had enough of a guy with too much melanin. We’ll never get one with estrogen, and we certainly are not going to have one with skin pigment ever again.

        We weren’t ready for the black one and we’re not going to have a rainbow one either. Regardless of the gender of the actual president, there will never be a First Husband. Let alone a singleton (James Buchanan was an outlier) or a non-WASP (how many Catholics have there been since JFK?). Especially not with a “communist antipope” like Francis at the helm.

        Which is why the party looking for anyone who isn’t Don Draper as a candidate for 2020 is a losing bet. If the goal, right now, is to get Trump out of office, it ain’t gonna be Liddy Warren or Kamala Harris who does it. And no, purists, for the eleventy-threeve godzillionth time, it won’t be Bernie either. One, because he’s Jewish. Two, because he’s not “that” kind of Jew. Fucking Jared would be president before Bernie, because the Jesus freaks want someone who’s in bed with Bibi. (Jared, reportedly, has literally been in bed with Bibi, but I digress…)

        • Peter Dahu

          Disagree, I think Berniew would have won because he attracted the type of voters that would not have voted for Hillary.

          • teele

            Trade-off. He picked up a bro vote, lost mine.

          • splashy79

            No, he had far too much baggage. I mean, he never released his taxes, so is obviously hiding something big enough to sink him. He lied about that, repeatedly.

    • SpideySenser

      ALL the women.

  • Toomush_Inferesistance
  • Bill D. Burger
  • Spurning Beer

    Hillary is a classy babe. I bet she will visit Donald in prison.

    • After she visits trump she’ll have the title for her follow up book, “Whatcha In For?”

      • Gayer Than Thou

        Lock Him Up, by Hillary R. Clinton.

  • La forza del resistino

    Play it again Kate and Alec.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVMW_1aZXRk

    • renegade500

      It’s almost too painful to watch.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Painful because we probably would have even been better off with Baldwin’s fake Trump as president than the real thing.

      • Persistent Demme

        Can’t do it.

        • renegade500

          Yeah I feel ya.

  • Michael Smith

    She should have called it “I Realize American Voters Hate Women, But This Is Ridiculous”

    • janecita

      Including a majority of American, white female voters.

      • MissNomer

        The only female demographic she lost was non-college-educated white women. This is why it is important to educate girls.

  • Bill D. Burger
    • Joe Beese

      Fierce!

  • jesterpunk

    Someone yesterday had a tweet that showed media coverage during the last election and how they didnt cover Trump’s real actual scandals and covered his “policies” but focused on Hillary’s fake scandals. Anyone have that tweet handy?

    • sosuume
      • jesterpunk

        Thank you very much. Saving it this time.

      • UnsaltedSinner

        It’s quite stunning how American journalists looked at a race between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump and decided that Clinton was the most controversial candidate.

  • Courser_Resistance

    Damn. What woman hasn’t had a creep breathing down her neck? What’s really sad? It happens so often and we just stand and bear it. It’s not something I note, just endure until I can get away.

    It was refreshing that she named it and described it so accurately.

  • Bill D. Burger
    • If only there were some way to know all of these things before the election!

      • Msgr_MΩment

        She should have just emailed us all from Benghazi.

  • Bobathonic

    Sounds like she’s bleeding out of her wherever.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Why, she’s hysterical.

    • Bobathonic

      So shrill.

      • Mr. Blobfish

        She should smile more.

        • cats530

          Not acting lady-like at all.

        • eyelashviper

          And all those policy details, and facts, and boring guvmint stuff…we need more word salad and hollering.

          • puredog

            And that VOICE.

        • Bad Tom

          And also smile less.

        • Rachel Book Harlot

          Definitely. She should smile more while not smiling too much.

        • Spurning Beer

          But no laughing! That laugh!

    • Teecha

      SHE NEEDS TO PAINT A FACE ON TOP OF HER FACE AND STAY SILENT

  • SomeBigRedDog

    Too soon. I’m still mourning the president we could have had. :(

  • Thiazin Red

    Where was that interview during the campaign where she talked about this exact thing? She said that she would love to yell and get emotional, but knows too well how people react to a woman, especially her, who does that.

    • Three Finger Salute

      A Syracuse (OK, Queens) Orange Man who does that, though? Gets praised for showing “backbone.” But IOKIYAR, because when Obama cried about the innocent black people being killed by an inbred Nazi punk at their church in SC, the wingnut outlets were all pointing and laughing and calling him a f*g. Lather, rinse, repeat with the wingnut outlets doing the same when Trudeau wept over the deaths of 6 innocent Muslims killed at a mosque by a wannabe FLQ punk — who’d been radicalized by Trump’s rhetoric, and “triggered” by Trudeau saying refugees were welcome. Toxic testosterone hurts all.

    • LeftyProud

      It is the same with that amazing MSNBC inteerview with Brad Thomas. All of the trumpers were going on about how shrill Stephanie Ruhle is. Because women who KNOW things and fight back are shrill. Excuse me while I get shrill. And stabby.

  • Ahh, a glimpse of what might have been were we not in the darkest timeline…

  • Joe Beese

    I’m confident that she doesn’t really think it was an alternative but saying “Back off, creep” during the debate would not have gone well.

    • NastyBossetti

      It would’ve gone really well with me, but I was already going to vote for her.

      • Joe Beese

        I’d have let loose with a Dice Clay “OHHH!” – as I did whenever someone in any of the debates got in a zinger.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “Hillary over-reacted like a hysterical woman! Imagine saying something like that to a foreign leader! Thankfully, Trump defused the situation gracefully.”

      • Joe Beese

        Yep.

        “Can we trust anyone that brittle with the nuclear launch codes?”

      • NastyBossetti

        I don’t know. Now that you’ve said this, I think it might have worked because Trump has never defused anything gracefully in his life. He probably would have done something horrible and then people would know what he was about and th… wait. What am I talking about? It was very clear who he was and what he was about, and people still voted for him.

        • Latverian Diplomat

          No matter what he did, it would have been spun positively, IMHO. Because Hillary is the worst, the New York Fucking Times says so.

        • puredog

          I think he would simply have stiffened up and walked away. But the backlash would have been horrible.

          • NastyBossetti

            Maybe. Definitely the backlash for her would have been bad. I know there is no way she could’ve said any of what she wanted to. But he seems like one of those men who flies into a rage if/when a woman confronts him about anything. I can’t see him walking away.

        • Three Finger Salute

          All he does, in fact, is pick fights, and usually over the dumbest shit that “triggers” his insecurities. Trudeau beats him at the stupid arm-wrestling handshake contest and he puts a 25% tariff on imports from Canada. Macron does the same, so Trump pulls the U.S. out of the Paris Climate Agreement not even knowing what the hell it is other than it has something to do with Paris. Apparently he doesn’t care that Putin has his miniature cheese balls in a death grip, though, because all he cares about is picking on those he believes are “weaker” than him who, on the macro scale, can’t really fight back.

          As long as America still has nukes — and a certifiable nutcase in charge who can’t be counted on not to “shock and y’all” those “unimportant” countries back to 1946 (when America was the sole superpower because the rest of the world had been flattened by war) — he expects, if not demands, that all other leaders will grovel before him and put the concerns of their own nations aside indefinitely.

          France has nukes (Canada doesn’t) but, come on, it’s France. Nobody trembles before a country that has 50 kinds of cheese.

          • NastyBossetti

            I mean, the phrase “50 kinds of cheese” does make me kind of weak in the knees, though.

          • Antonin Dvorak

            I’d wager that we have 50 different types of cheese being made here, even if in small amounts.

    • SomeBigRedDog

      “Not a creep, not a creep, you’re the creep!”

      I think it would have gone okay.

  • janecita

    My husband, is convicted that Hillary Clinton is a prophet. Every time that Trump does something stupid, he says, “Hillary predicted this shit over a year ago.”

    • Msgr_MΩment

      OTOH, Nostradumbass predicted it all, too. Just read his twittage from the Obama Administration.

      • janecita

        Amazing, how all his dumb tweets apply to his corrupt administration.

    • eyelashviper

      A blithering idiot predicted tRump doing stupid things…decades ago.

      • janecita

        Hell, even The Simpsons predicted it!

    • Thiazin Red

      In 2000 years maybe there will be a legend like the Aeneid, but the seer will be named Hillary. People will study it in class and there will be speculation on whether it really happened.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Hillary is actually a pseudonym; her real name is Cassandra.

      • Randy Riddle

        So … that makes the Koch brothers Pandora?

    • Me not sure

      Thar spell correct shit gets worse the more I use it.

    • Roadstergal

      They didn’t believe Cassandra either.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    What part of “she traveled with her own hot sauce” don’t you people get?!?

  • UnsaltedSinner
  • La forza del resistino

    OT: Donald takes his flea circus to NV today. Reno casino owners all say, please no business advice.

    • Rick Hill

      Get out from under all your financial obligations with this one weird trick! Creditors and subs hate him for this!

    • laughingnome

      Hide the hookers.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Here’s hoping he doesn’t lose his shirt… (puke)

  • Rachel Book Harlot
    • janecita

      That has been me everyday since election night.

      • eyelashviper

        Between shots of vodka.

        • SpideySenser

          And copious amounts of Heineken.

      • everstar

        Apparently Trump’s economic stimulus plan mostly applied to the ice cream and booze industries.

    • puredog

      Why not have a little sheet cake with that?

  • Thiazin Red

    I was reading something on another site about the rally, and one of the comments suggested that eventually Trump will just start saying that The Wall has been built and anyone saying otherwise is Fake News and his followers will believe it.

    I found that disturbingly plausible.

    • jesterpunk

      People here have suggested just telling Trump the wall was built and he would believe it.

      • Permit-holder Ron

        Bit of Photoshop and he’d never bother to go look.

        • jesterpunk

          Just tell him its see through like he wanted and you dont even need photoshop.

    • SpideySenser

      Totally gonna happen.

  • hendenburg2

    OT: So apparently on the biggest/most/worst trolls on Disqus live in Vermont, the Derp South, and a suburb of Chicago…

    http://lifehacker.com/americas-worst-trolls-live-in-vermont-illinois-and-th-1798343042

    Anyone want to take bets on where TLM is from?

    • Msgr_MΩment

      The fiery, pustule-filled fires of hell?

      • hendenburg2

        Nah, he’s too milquetoast for that. I would like to think that demons would be creative.

        • Permit-holder Ron

          Or at least charming.

    • spangled

      maybe he lives on fire island.
      or inside a gay bar, on castro street, in san francisco.

      that’s the only logical conclusion as to why he thinks gay men are everywhere and taking over the world

    • janecita

      The Leprosy Mission? I’m guessing India;-)

    • eyelashviper

      Weird, for sure. I woulda bet on Texas, Arkansas, and Floriduh…

    • JohnBull

      A derpy suburb of Chicago? It’s gotta be Wheaton.

    • natoslug

      His mother’s basement?

    • Three Finger Salute

      Moscow?

  • Cogswell – In a Mirror, Darkly

    Sorry, folks, this is off topic but it’s also awesome. Another envoy has resigned.

    Here is the resignation letter of Daniel Kamman, Director of Renewable and Appropriate Energy Lab (RAEL)

    Please be aware that the emphasis (bold text) is mine. I pulled the full text from his twitter feed as he left a secret message.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2b6116b8908b651b4a3d0d67852b59a04efccab527b1135c6f55192de1ff8c36.jpg

    • RumAddled

      IMPEACH! Awesome!

      • Cogswell – In a Mirror, Darkly

        Second one in about a week. The other one had RESIST. I can’t recall who though.

        • NastyBossetti

          It was the entire Arts & Humanities Council.

          • Cogswell – In a Mirror, Darkly

            Yup, that’s right. Thank you.

  • laughingnome

    Apology tour.

  • Roadstergal

    I will pre-order. I’m sure I will have to read it in very limited chunks to keep my rage and sadness in check.

    • Thiazin Red

      I’m not sure I’d ever be able to read it. I still have the concession email in my inbox unread.

      • Roadstergal

        I never watched the full concession speech. I saw clips and almost choked to death.

        • proudgrampa

          Have you ever cried so much that your throat swelled up and you could hardly breathe or swallow?

          Yeah. It was like that.

          • Permit-holder Ron

            And it turned out even worse than we were expecting.

  • SayItWithWookies

    Not going to second-guess Hillary’s instincts about creepy men, because if that shitty behavior of Trump’s didn’t put voters off him, there were plenty of other opportunities for them to say “this is enough.” Fuck Republican voter suppression and gerrymandering as well as the easily manipulated media.

  • BigCSouthside

    We really fucked up.

    • proudgrampa

      Big Time.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Bigly yuge, the most incredible fuck-up ever in the history of presidenting. People are going to be talking about it more and more. Believe me.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson
    • splashy79

      Credit to Melissa McEwan of Shakesville for creating that. She’s a genius!

  • laughingnome

    The voters were right by 3 million votes.

  • puredog

    Well, she DID sleep with a collie. I read it on the internet.

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      That was one of the saddest goddamn things I ever read. My heart still breaks for her over the despicable way she was treated by the Republicans, their media attack dogs and the RWNJ’s.

      • puredog

        Tru dat.

  • jesterpunk

    So how long until the trolls show up to tell us how bad Hillary was and how she would start wars or that we should have listened to them?

    • Thiazin Red

      I can not even read the Guardian anymore, because the whole place is infested with Assange trolls who keep saying that we would be in WW3 with Russia now if she had won.

    • shivaskeeper

      I’m surprised WMW?! hasn’t shown up already. I can’t tell if his (?) beef is more with Hillz or with Evan as the writer. Seems to be about 50/50 with that one. Seems to go between his hatred of Hillz and his dislike of Evan writing about Hillz because Bernie woulda won.

      • jesterpunk

        Yeah they are a little late, they normally have some backup too.

  • Thiazin Red

    She was right though. A guy can act like a huge creep without comment, but once a woman yells at him in response shes a crazy bitch.

    • shivaskeeper

      Wrong comment to reply to.

    • Yeah, that.

    • MynameisBlarney

      “A Nasty Woman”!

      With a VAGENDA!

  • Three Finger Salute

    Unlike Trump, who has never even read a book, I’m going to bet Hillary actually did write hers. Now, all of these A-list political memoirists usually get help one way or another from a “team,” but those sound like Hillary’s words. Trump’s book, which apparently is called The Fart After the Meal or something like that, has too many of the “best words,” so clearly Trump didn’t write it himself. He outsourced it, in typical Trump fashion, to a guy named Tony, so he could sound reel smrt.

    If Trump actually had made an attempt, it would be the longest run-on sentence in literary history, with the string “Donald J. Trump” appearing about 48,657 times in the first “chapter” alone. Jack Kerouac would have reviewed it as follows: “that’s not writing; it’s typing — no, it’s not even typing, it’s what you get when a toddler vomits up Alpha-Bits on the kitchen floor!”

  • https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/811e8658fefee76c9a70f61e9a4e26a12182eb25d9c3ac1d5347dfb725bc8175.jpg Speaking of Maureen Dowd, in case you need another reminder of how much she fucking sucks.

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      Just tweeted that to her, with the message that it’s about time she took ownership of her piece of this disaster.

      • Persistent Demme

        Good for you!

      • laughingnome

        It’s okay. Her dad was an Irish cop who stood up to the Klan sometime in the 50s. At least that’s what she says.

        • Bub, the cynical zombie

          I don’t care if he was Captain America’s right hand man. She’s a no-talent, tin eared, clueless, smug, entitled fucking hack.

    • Joe Beese

      I had not forgotten.

    • Persistent Demme

      There’s a special place in hell for her.

  • Bill D. Burger

    ot…but the people are moving forward and moving on in spite of Cheetolini. The statue of Robert E. Lee is being covered at this moment in Charlottesville. To be removed later.

    • Randy Riddle

      Covered in neo-Confederate tears?

  • Jenny

    I did not like the 2008 crying cuz we women are not allowed to cry goddammit!

  • Gee, Your Hair Smells Horrific

    Expect Maggie Haberman tweet any second about Hillary running a horrible campaign.
    YES IT’S OKAY MAGGIE, SLEEP WELL TONIGHT, TRUMP IS OBVIOUSLY NOT YOUR FAULT.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      Nah. Maggie Haberman will tweet that Surely one can argue that there was some significance to the self-inflicted problems of the Clinton campaign and then Glenn Thrush will protectively take a baseball bat to a bust of Hillary on YouTube.

  • laughingnome

    You know what would make this all right karmically?

    Maxine Waters 2020 – Oh Yes We Did

    • Randy Riddle

      Maxine Waters wouldn’t let anyone breath down her neck like that – she’d be turning around and asking them why they’re being a creep.

      • spangled

        Unlike Hillary, Maxine has a real kill squad, which she has already used to brutally murder that weenie reporter from The Young Turks.

  • La forza del resistino

    Pedophile pizza joint owners all say, nice book, but what about us Hilz? /s

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Just ordered it along with some French style book. Plan to toggle back and forth between the two, switching to the style book when my rage starts to get to me. God damn it, Western PA, how the fuck could you let me down like that?

    • jesterpunk

      We had billboards in Amish Country saying Trump shares the same values as the Amish and people bought that bullshit.

      • spangled

        now i’m very curious about the voting habits of the amish.

        do they keep up with the news somehow to form political opinions? are they allowed to use the touchscreen voting machines?

        • Antonin Dvorak

          I think they are mostly nonvoters, overall.

          • jesterpunk

            They do vote in major elections. There are a lot of horses and buggies at the polling stations out in the country.

        • jesterpunk

          We have paper ballots and 1 old ass electronic voting machine. They dont really keep up but seem to vote republican because “family values” and religion. Also they wouldn’t have voted for a women anyway because she is a women.

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist
        • jesterpunk

          Here is an article about the billboards if you want to be frustrated by how much it lies in so few words.

          http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/have-you-seen-these-donald-trump-billboards-going-up-in/article_ce962892-5403-11e6-af72-4fec2f4dc67e.html

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            Aimed at naive trusting people. Sad. Deplorable even.

        • HooverVilles

          This is so true. You hit the nail on the head. With one possible exception, I am not sure how consciously he is planning this.

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            He is a con artist, and as such, figures out who the gullible “marks” are (or he hires people that did the research. Then poorly acts the part.

          • HooverVilles

            Maybe, but I have a hard time believing he is that smart. I don’t he is good enough to produce all the micro expressions needed to pull that off.

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            No, but the other con men around him (read republicans) are.

          • HooverVilles

            That was my thought.

    • mardam422

      You been outside of Pgh? I was raised in the ‘burbs of the Burgh. I’ve traveled out in the surrounding area from Erie to Washington for most of my 60yrs. There are more Confederate flags there than American ones. Nobody has an American flag behind the gun rack of their pickup. No one has an American flag bumper sticker, or cover for their social studies book.
      And don’t even think of anything being any different east of Monroeville. It’s sad, really, for a state that fought on the side of the Union. But hey!!! They’re economically anxious, don’t you know.

  • rumsey

    Oh, what a “nasty woman” she is!

  • Treg Brown

    I will love Hillz forever. Also too, fuck Susan Sarandon for her part in this debacle.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6c4e716c514f3134cfae63d1fed9a6b2467ad547a19b033a7203db10154e7723.jpg

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      Yeah, she can kiss my ass.

    • Proud Liberal

      The “political revolution” didn’t work for anybody but Republicans.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Reagan De-Evolution.

        No, they were not men. They weren’t even as evolved as Bonzo.

    • Nockular cavity

      Sometimes you just gotta drive the car off the cliff.

    • mardam422

      Repeat…fuck her. Fuck that self-centered, holier-than-thou, harpy. Fuck…her.

    • Wild Cat

      She did her new play pal on HBO, right-wing racist lunatic Jon Voight, a favor.

      Bitch.

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      She is smiling because Trump won.

    • Edith Prickly
      • Antonin Dvorak

        Wonder Woman can use her tiara like Batman’s batarangs. At least in her current form.

    • Persistent Demme

      Never forgive, never forget.

  • What I love about this is Hillary’s description of sharing a stage with Trump. If Melania actually shares a bed with him, she desrves every bit of it.

  • Joe Beese

    Charles Pierce, reaching new heights of Awesome:

    I’d like to address myself to those people… who waited for hours in 105-degree heat so that they could have the G-spot of their irrationality properly stroked for them. You’re all suckers. You’re dim and you’re ignorant and you can’t even feel yourself sliding toward something that will surprise even you with its fundamental ugliness… The problem, of course, is that you, in your pathetic desire to be loved by a guy who wouldn’t have 15 seconds for you on the street, are dragging the rest of us toward that end, too. …

    I have no more patience, and I had very little to start with. I don’t care why you’re anxious. I don’t care for anybody’s interpretation of why you voted for this abomination of a politician, and why you cheer him now, because any explanation not rooted in the nastier bits of basic human spleen is worthless. I don’t want any politicians who seek to appeal to the more benign manifestations of your condition because there’s no way to separate those from all the rest of the hate and fear and stupidity. … I don’t care why you sat out in a roasting pan since 5 a.m. Tuesday morning to whistle and cheer and stomp your feet for a scared, dangerous little man who tells you that your every bloody fantasy about your enemies is the height of patriotism. You are now the declared adversaries of what I do for a living, and your idol is a danger to the country and so are you. Own it. Deal with it. And, for the love of god, and for the sake of the rest of us who live in this country, do better at being citizens.

    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a57164/trump-arizona-speech/

    • therblig

      and now i want to break the commenting rules with regard to the fate of those morons.

      will bang my head on the desk instead.

    • spangled
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    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      I can’t wait to see what he does for an encore in about 15 minutes. Telling the American Legion how he loves veterans so much he decided to make more of them.

    • Edith Prickly
    • theblackdog

      I have to wonder how many of the people I went to high school with are in that crowd.

      • Joe Beese
        • Antonin Dvorak

          Can’t you just feel their economic anxiety?

        • CeeQ

          That’s ok sweetheart. You enjoy your time in the sun. Lap it up.
          We’ll talk again when he takes away our healthcare, fucks up education for everyone, tanks the economy and brings us again to the edge of nuclear doom. We’ll cry together then.

        • CeeQ

          Bet you any money this same Trumper wants to preserve Confederate “heritage and history” aka the people who lost. Because, of course.

        • Edith Prickly

          Keep smoking that meth, dear.

        • Guest Liberal

          I believe their suggested response to tRump’s installment “winning” the election is apt and appropriate. It’s not surprising that a passel of morans would fail to recognize that.

        • sg77

          aaaaacccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

      • cmd resistor

        Certainly many of the people I went to high school with in Florida would be. Sadly.

      • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

        aot,k

  • Nockular cavity

    about whether she had the EMOTIONAL LADY COMPOSURE to be president.

    Whew. Glad we avoided that, and instead have the rock-steady leadership of…oh fuck, I can’t even finish that.

    • Crystalclear12

      Yeah, next time tequila up before trying that level of snark.

  • Gayer Than Thou

    Please tell me Amy Poehler is doing the audiobook. I will buy five of those. Metaphorically, since you can’t really buy more than one “copy” of an audiobook.

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      Kate McKinnon!

      • Three Finger Salute

        or BOT,K

  • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

    Somewhere, in another corner of the multiverse, millions of Americans are grateful every single day that The Donald did not win the election. In that universe he has been reduced to a twitter troll farting out “rigged” and “Crooked Hillary” several times a day to a small army of mouth-breathing meth-heads who are threatening to split the GOP.

    At least (in that universe) he got a multi-million dollar book deal to “write” his own version of what a great President he would have been, how he would have gotten us out of Afghanistan, how he would have drained the swamp, and how we would have brought back jobs and given every single American access to low-cost, beautiful healthcare.

    *sob*

    • theblackdog

      *sobs* No I’m not ugly crying, YOU’RE ugly crying!

  • Permit-holder Ron

    Time to head for the library and put in a reserve. No way they won’t be buying several copies of this.

  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

    I hate that she had to stand there and accept that behavior from a toxic waste beast who, if this were a just and equitable world, wouldn’t be allowed within 1,000 feet of another human being for the rest of his born days. Because if she didn’t, the blowback would be on her for reacting rather than on him for provocation.
    I keep thinking “If that was your mother or sister or wife up there with him, would you still consider that behavior acceptable? If not, why is it acceptable because it’s Hillary Clinton?”

    • Carpe Vagenda

      Hell, you’re not even allowed to make Maggie Haberman sad by talking about any of the things she did for money and fame between 2015 and today.

  • cmd resistor

    Composure. Emotional. President. And look what we got.

  • Crystalclear12

    I would like to have moment of silence for our lost taco trucks.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      I’m pouring out a Tequiza in their honor.

      • UncleTravelingMatt

        Pour out all the Tequiza, just to be on the safe side.

    • janecita

      I’m so unmotivated today, I don’t think that I’m gonna have the energy/desire to cook when I get home. I want my taco truck!!!!

    • Permit-holder Ron

      Okay, NOW I’m crying.

    • CeeQ

      Yes. I was promised one on every corner. It’s so unfair.

    • Edith Prickly

      Viva los camiones taco!!

  • SpideySenser

    She struggles with the question that has always dogged h̶e̶r̶, every woman since the dawn of time the damned if she does, damned if she doesn’t conundrum

  • Pookabun

    She may have felt a need to keep her cool but I didn’t. I yelled at him for you, Hillary! Called him a few worse things than “creep” while I was at it. I will buy the book but I don’t know if I have the heart to read it right away.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      My mom wanted to slap that stupid little grin right off his mug. And my mom isn’t one who provokes easy.

      • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

        As nice as your mom is, we at wonket do not support punching or slapping Nazis.

        • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

          I know. I sorry.

          • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

            Let’s agree to agree he’s a Nazi.

        • Oblios_Cap

          Not all of us, anyway…

        • laughingnome

          Depends on the quality of the punch

  • If this is even half as well written as Living History ( and it looks like it might be better because zero fucks to give), i will be reading the shit out of this

  • Msgr_MΩment

    I don’t know about you folks, but I sure AF ain’t done “voting”.

  • theblackdog

    I feel like we are seeing the culmination of everyone who responds to someone who is being bullied with “Well you must be provoking them” or “Just ignore them and they’ll go away” and how much those lines are complete and utter bullshit.

  • La forza del resistino

    So after Hilz lost, she found solace in the woods. Had Donald lost he would have fired his caddie for suggesting a 3 wood instead of a 2 iron.

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      And, as usual, would have gotten a 1 on every hole.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Trump should have found himself like the Jews under Moses, stuck in the desert for forty years because he was too proud to ask directions.

      • La forza del resistino

        good one. did my ex-wife feed you that joke?

  • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

    PPP Polling:

    Q30 Who would you rather was President: Barack Obama or Donald Trump? Obama: 52%, Trump: 39%

    In a series of hypothetical 2020 matchups, Trump consistently gets 39% and loses to Biden, Blumenthal, Booker, Mark Cuban, Booker, Sanders, Warren. Ties John Delaney and Kamala Harris.

    Q59 Who would you rather was President: Barack Obama or Jefferson Davis? Obama wins AGAIN, 56/21%. But among Trump voters Obama loses to Davis: 20/45%.

    7% of Trump voters have a “favorable” view of Neo-Nazis.
    45% of Trump voters say white people face the most racial discrimination.
    54% of Trump voters say Christians face the most religious discrimination.
    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2017/PPP_Release_National_82317.pdf

    • Antonin Dvorak

      They asked about Delaney and Blumenthal, but not Gillibrand?

      • Ryan Denniston

        Don’t say anything about sexisms, otherwise we’ll turn off the White Working Class Voter Who Voted Twice For Obama.

      • Mavenmaven

        She’s my favorite.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    OT. Fight the power, people!
    https://www.facebook.com/TELEGRAPH.CO.UK/videos/10156155852324749/
    Arrested for dancing the Macarena in a Saudi street.

    • JohnBull

      This is the only time American conservatives and liberals are equally outraged at anything. Except if a black woman were arrested in an American town for dancing, we’d get that “law and order” bullshit from them.

    • tomamitai

      I’m all for liberating everyone everywhere but couldn’t they pick another song? I had more than enough of that tune in the 90’s!

  • Oblios_Cap
    • Msgr_MΩment

      Unfortunately, it was the address of a crackhouse in the Pennsylvania town.

    • TundraGrifter

      Wasn’t it about a year ago when Mr. Trump spoke at Gettysburg and said he was going to sue every woman who accused him of sexual harassment?

      • Moar Wordz

        Because ” NO, YOU’RE THE HARASSER ! ”

        Do you still find blonds of lower intelligence ? Bcse technically Hillary’s a blond and Warren is positively aryan.

        I don’t think you could call either – (a Presidential Nominee and a possible future nominee ) unintelligent.

        That’s like saying all smurfs are bad bcse of their blue skin, which is a DUMB ARGUMENT

        • TundraGrifter

          I lack the energy or the interest to offer more than “Huh?”

          • Moar Wordz

            Ok. Being blond myself, I couldn’t help but notice mebbe a few weeks ago on a different thread you said that, in your personal experience, blonds were empty headed or something very similar. I lacked the energy at the time to refute it.
            If I’m lyin’, I’m flyin’.

          • TundraGrifter

            No – what I wrote, based on personal experience, was “Blondes are bad luck.” Sounds like a 30’s noir novel, eh? “Empty headed?” That would be a crude stereotype that I refuse to be a party of.

          • Moar Wordz

            Oh. Crumbs.
            Stares at shoes. I’m a black kitty now, when I run in front of cars like a shadow, people grip the wheel and say ” $#@! .”

          • TundraGrifter

            It’s a beautiful Sunday morning. The sun is shining bright. Folks down in Texas have serious problems. You and I certainly don’t.

          • Moar Wordz

            I know, I was joking.
            I couldn’t stop watching the news last night. Those poor people. No water, no food, no electricity, no way out…

          • TundraGrifter

            Who is joking on Wonkette? AOTK.

    • Nockular cavity

      He misspelled Nuremberg.

    • Fartknocker

      Dampnut’s speech was much better than Spiro Agnew’s speech after the Bolling Green massacre.

      • Msgr_MΩment

        Four derp
        In O-hi-O.

        Or was it Kentucky? #neverforget

    • Yeah, that’s definitely a fake account, there’s no chance that Dampnut knows what the fuck the Gettysburg Address is.

    • Antonin Dvorak
    • Ryan Denniston

      Aren’t the staff supposed to be telling him that?

    • therblig
    • Me not sure

      Shining moment = low bar.

    • CripesAmighty

      Yeah. Some years hence, I wonder which of these masterpieces of oratory’s gonna be dubbed the “Bumblefuck Blort.”

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      “Gettysburg,” that’s from that rich guy, Getty, right?

    • TakingAmes

      His shining 77-minute unhinged rant, he means…

  • Nasty Candy Apple

    Sorry, Hillz. :(

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    I really kind of hate being reminded that we could have had a genuine leader and compassionate human being as our president. Because the comparison to what we ended up with instead is nauseating.

    • laughingnome

      We went from Obama to Trump. It’s like being pushed off Trump Tower.

      • Bub, the cynical zombie

        So far, we’re still in freefall. The sudden stop at the end is going to be terrible.

    • Peter Dahu

      I wouldn’t call Hillary compassionate.

      • Martini Ambassador 🍸

        Her work with The Children’s Defense Fund and migrant worker conditions and LGBT rights are some examples off the top of my head. But yeah, let’s buy the RWNJ narrative that she’s a cold, unfeeling bitch.

        • sarafina

          Let’s not.

      • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

        Then you are simply continuing the same lies, smears, and false picture of her created by her GOP enemies and Russian trolls. Even after seeing the consequences of believing them. EVEN AFTER NINE MONTHS OF THE RESULTS. She is extraordinarily compassionate, as well as honest, hardworking, brilliant, remarkably accomplished, and qualified. She would have been a terrific president. How can you believe what Putin wants you to believe?

      • teele

        But then, you wouldn’t call the sky blue, either.

      • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
  • Crystalclear12

    You know her losing is Obama’s fault.
    If he had set up those FEMA reeducation camps like he was supposed to she would have gotten elected!

    • What ever happened to the FEMA camps OBAMA was supposed to be rounding up all those deplorables into….

      • CafeenMan

        I think he’s still going to do it. But it’s taking him years to fly his sleigh around and grab all those millions of guns.

      • tomamitai

        I’m so old I’m wondering what happened to all the guillotines that Bill Clinton was supposed to use on the Christians back in the 90’s.

        • CafeenMan

          Bill finally finished his smithing apprenticeship. Now he has to make the guillotines. Making blades that large, grinding, heat treating and sharpening is time-consuming. And that doesn’t even count the time needed to build the frame and mechanics.

      • bbayliss

        They’re with all the guns he confiscated.

  • Angela Ruzzo

    I would simply have turned to Trump and said “Excuse me, Mr. Trump, but you are invading my personal space and giving everyone the impression that you are stalking me. Would you please stop doing that?” I wonder what he would have done?

    • laughingnome

      I think this would have prompted a very telling response from Trump. She should have done it. Everyone could see he was being a total creep, except for the Trumpers.

    • cmd resistor

      Called her a nasty woman or something.

    • jesterpunk

      The media would have reported on how that made her unfit to be president since she got hysterical over Trump standing near her?

      • Permit-holder Ron

        Depressingly, yes.

      • Ellie

        That was my first thought. She would have been criticized for being a vagina owning hysteric.

      • Angela Ruzzo

        Not if she said it in a very calm, rational, professional voice, and then returned immediately to what she had been saying before. This would give the impression that she simply assumed he would respect her request, and if he continued to do it, it would be all on him. A slightly raised eyebrow might be appropriate.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      She could have stopped midway through a sentence, tuned around slowly, and said, “Can I help you?”

      • Angela Ruzzo

        How about “The bathroom is that way, Mr. Trump.” He would have said something about how he doesn’t need the bathroom, and if he did she could have said “I’m sorry, I thought from the way you were pacing around that you did. My mistake.” And then gone right back to her speech.

        • bbayliss

          “My pussy is right here, would you like to try to grab it?”
          Knee to balls.

      • Persistent Tennessee Rain

        That would have been amazing!

    • tomamitai

      Nah, the assholes would have said she showed weakness, she handled it right the way she did it. The only way she could have done better would be if she had come up with a joke about it that sounded sweet and innocent but made him look like the jerk he is.

      • Angela Ruzzo

        Well, the people who hate her, hate her because they can’t stand women in power who take control. So it wouldn’t matter to them if she had taken control, because they already hate her. It is the people who were on the fence who might have been impressed.

    • CripesAmighty

      I rather liked what she was originally contemplating–‘you creep!’ Pitch perfect.

    • CafeenMan

      “No! You stalking!!!”

      • Roadstergal

        You’re the stalking!

    • MissNomer

      She should have said, “SIT, Donald. STAY.”

      • Angela Ruzzo

        Ooooh, I like that! Good one! Upfist!

  • Mavenmaven

    That certainly was the creepiest thing I had ever seen in public discourse, that is, until last night.

    • tomamitai

      Well, live, any way. The films of the Nuremberg rallies are way creepier, although we know the horrors they led to so that’s a factor.

      • georgiaburning

        Be thankful Trump doesn’t have a Leni Riefenstahl or an Albert Speer working for him. If he did, he’d have stiffed them by now

        • tomamitai

          He only wants the camera on him so there’s no need for a director.

  • PixieThis

    I asked for the book for my birthday and Mr. Pixie said he was already thinking about getting it for me (I might have ruined the surprise). But I know it’s just going to make me emotional again. Dammit! We had a qualified person in the race (who cares if she’s a woman???) and, with manipulation of the outdated electoral college, we ended up with gutter trash.

    • tomamitai

      Gutter trash LIBELZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111!!!!!!!!!

      • sarafina

        I’m not sure you can libel gutter trash if it’s the orange shitgibbon.

  • DesertedPictures

    Clinton 2020!

    (if only to fck with all the Berniebros, deplorables and those horrible young turks…)

  • Boojum

    Loser. Or, as the wing nuts say, looser. God, I’m sick of that.

  • middleclassman1

    Please go away and have a good life, you were a flawed candidate who was to close to wall street, you pushed no progressive ideas and created no excitement or hope. Trump is still using some of your questionable ethics to deflect from his own issues.

    • CafeenMan

      She was flawed? So you’re claiming there was a flawless candidate?

      • tomamitai

        Compared to Trump she’s the goddamn Centenary Diamond!

      • Blackest Noobs

        well the one who won the Mortal Combat….that person was a flawless candidate.

        • CafeenMan

          Johnny Cage for President.

      • middleclassman1

        Less flawless yes, Sanders to name one who was in the primary. Biden and Warren we’re two more who didn’t get into the race because the DNC was set on Hillary.

        • Serai 1
        • shivaskeeper

          Warren who outright refused from the start as she felt she would be more effective where she currently is? Biden who was and us still grieving the death of his son and outright said if he couldn’t give the job 100% he wouldn’t do the job?

          Are you saying the DNC twisted their arms into not running? Are you saying they both lied about why they didn’t enter the race?

          • middleclassman1

            I’m saying the DNC appointed her heir from the beginning.

          • jesterpunk

            Actually more voters voted for Hillary in the primaries and general.

          • shivaskeeper

            No you are not. Your are claiming two people who had no intention of running would have won.

          • middleclassman1

            I’m claiming they might have run if Hillary wasn’t being pushed as the heir apparent by the DNC

          • shivaskeeper

            One more try. We’ll try to deal with this one person at a time.

            Please explain, exactly, how the DNC screwed Joe Biden out of running by choosing Hillary Clinton as the “heir apparent”. He said on multiple occasions he was leaving government service and politics for the foreseeable future so he could properly grieve the loss of his son. He felt he didn’t grieve properly as he subsumed his grief in order to give the VP job the personal dedication he felt it should have been given.

            He outright stated there was no way he would seek the nomination, nor accept it if drafted. He stated he was leaving public service for a while, that he had dedicated almost his entire life to service and need some time of his own. He also stated that when he was ready to return to public life he would be dedicated to fighting cancer, not running for office.

            To reiterate: How exactly did he get screwed by the DNC? Show your work. If you aren’t going to answer honestly, don;t bother answering as we are done.

        • sarafina

          2 people who did not want the job. I’d say try again, but you need to leave.

        • CafeenMan

          I see. So Sanders was a flawed candidate. Thanks for clearing that up.

    • alpacapunchbowl

      Please go away and have a good life, unless you care to develop and share an original thought based in reality.

      • middleclassman1

        The reality is that Hillary lost to the worst candidate ever! How’s that for reality?

        • alpacapunchbowl

          You might want to set your account to private so people can’t see that you just keep repeating the same tired pro-Bernie bullshit that no, is not in any way based in quantifiable facts, e.g., “Bernie would have won”. No he bloody well would not have.
          But hey, keep bitching and whinging about Hillary. It’s not the hobby I would choose, but you do you, kiddo.

          • middleclassman1

            One thing we do know is that Hillary didn’t win!

          • alpacapunchbowl

            You are 100% committed to making an ass of yourself, I’ll give you that much.

    • jesterpunk
      • Martini Ambassador 🍸

        LOL, this is going in my snark stash.

        • jesterpunk

          I stole it from someone else on here to add to my stash. Its only fair for someone else to take it for their stash.

      • sarafina

        Now that should be on a greeting card.

    • ziggywiggy

      “Please go away and have a good life” You first.

    • BigCSouthside

      Trump has half the fucking board of directors from Goldman in his cabinet.

      oh, and she beat the ever loving shit out of Bernie.

      • middleclassman1

        With the help of a crooked DNC yes. They deserve the blame for Trump.

        • shivaskeeper

          What party is Bernie in again? Is it possible he was just cynical enough to jump on the DNC coattails to use their money and contacts since the Independent Party has no national platform? Is it the DNC’s fault some Bernie supporters didn’t understand closed primaries? Did the DNC not give Bernie a seat at all the tables even as he was losing badly and still refusing to concede?

          In short does Bernie get any of the blame?

          • middleclassman1

            Bernie caucuses with the Democrats.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            but he’s an independent.

          • shivaskeeper

            None of the questions I asked had anything to do with who Bernie caucuses with. Not one.

            Moving the goalpost to your next talking point coupled with basic intellectual dishonesty.

            I’ll give you another chance at honest answers.

        • Serai 1

          Oh go HOME, comrade. Putie’s got your vodka and we’re tired of your horseshit.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fa791aecfc1297bae277eac174eb0ad3de8f833a342d92f0815e81af3c4821a0.gif

        • Moar Wordz

          *YAWN*

          DA

        • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

          “crooked DNC” Fucking cretin. You. All of you. Wonder why we hate you?

    • Blackest Noobs

      listen, i won’t lie….she wasn’t my 1st choice but that was because the GOP had built up this myth about her….all false narratives….i wanted a win…i was thinking like a Republican (all they care about is the win, i mean look at their cluster fuck now, got both houses of Congress but still cannot do shit)….i definitely thought she was a better candidate than the supposed “business man,” but she was a hard sale to the American public…i just didn’t think she had a win there ( and there’s tons of factors why…like for one, we’re pretty freakin’ misogynistic in this country for starters)

      that said….they’re all flawed candidates, asshole, if you’re a human being, you’re flawed, plain and simple….just some are MORE flawed than others…and apparently misogyny trumped being the uber-flawed. and the other candidate was crazy to the brim flawed.

      • bbayliss

        There was one group of voters who were not influenced by Russian propaganda, guess who they voted for?
        Guess what that says about the rest of you shit weasels.

        • Serai 1

          Notice how he had no answer to that? They know how badly they fucked up. They just don’t have the balls to admit it.

      • ltmcdies

        Well when you got Bernie “I’m only doing this because I have to” Sanders supposedly “campaigning” along with what we now know as targeted disinformation bots pushing email, Weiner and Pizzagate stories to be retweeted by idiots, of course the sell gets harder
        The biggest mistake in going along with the flawed candidate theory is it get’s easy to pretend another candidate wouldn’t be subjected to exactlybthe same assaults with the same outcome

        • sarafina

          Oh no, the Rs would have brought out the dreaded COMMUNIST charges against Bernie and they would have buried him.

          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

            Also atheist and crooked and un-American and rapist and pedophile and a few dozen other things.
            http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2016/05/50-reasons-why-sanders-would-lose-all.html

          • middleclassman1

            Bernie would have been able to attack Trump on being crooked, unethical, out for himself, and many other things that Hillary couldn’t because she has the same baggage as Trump.

      • middleclassman1

        Nothing at all to do with misogyny Warren would have won in a landslide!

        • shivaskeeper

          Warren wasn’t running. Magical thinking that someone who wasn’t in the world race would have won is not a counter argument.

          • middleclassman1

            I know Hillary lost!

          • shivaskeeper

            That’s still not a counter argument for either your original point, nor your deflection.

        • Serai 1

          Sure, sure. That must be why you all piled onto her and tried to rip her face off when she realized it was time to back the actual candidate.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/545dfb01144ca6051b2944401fe4a4122e82e4aadb1083e1c56411f6d93a89d4.gif

        • Blackest Noobs

          you’re a bigger dope if you think that….misogyny HAD a huge part in it.

        • ltmcdies

          Omg …. the attacks would have been different but just as intense, personal and bot driven
          Look at Trumps behavior. His dislike of losing is almost pathological.
          We’d have hearing 6 months of Pocahontas this and Pocahontas that

        • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

          Wow, you really are a complete fucking imbecile.

          • middleclassman1

            How’s that Einstein? You thought Hillary was the heir apparent and she lost to the worst candidate ever for a reason. Voters actually believed Trump was more of a populist than her, she had no credibility.

          • jesterpunk
        • Dinz6315

          Nope. If you believe that, you must be in 8th grade.

        • MissNomer

          God, you’re dumb.

      • sarafina

        And she still got 3 million more votes.

    • Slithytoves

      You bore me.

    • bbayliss

      Neil Gorsuch, I rest my case.

    • Thank god. We were worried you’d be late.

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      Dafuq?

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Learn.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Lfd1aB9YI

    • ltmcdies

      Some research pertinent to the discussion

      https://twitter.com/politicocharlie/status/900377634164457472

      You lot can deflect all you want…voting decisions made a peevish group of primary losers put intellectually and emotionally ill prepared individual in charge of the launch codes

      There’s no excuse that be given about going on and on about Clinton’s supposed negatives once the primary was done.

      And the only reason not to vote for her pure spite

      I really hope America makes out OK but you know…. your still stuck with Goersch

      • middleclassman1

        I blame the DNC

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          of course you do – but not Bernie.

          Hillary is suppose to take ALL the blame for being boring/flawed/whatever, not campaigning in the “right areas”, giving paid speeches, comey, voter suppression, gerrymandering, and russian influence – BUT BERNIE NEVER HAS TO TAKE ANY BLAME.

          The hypocrisy is just staggering.

          • Serai 1

            Well, he’s a white man, so of course he’s not to blame.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            whiteguy libelz!

            Just kidding. But i think it’s more that they consider him an actual saint.

          • Serai 1

            Unbelievable. They haven’t the attention span to do the slightest bit of research on any candidate. They just rely on sound bites and propaganda. No wonder our country’s in a fucking hole.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            yup, then accuse of being in an echo chamber when they take talking points and run with them.

          • sarafina

            They don’t know Bernie. I liked him in the beginning, but never voted for him and never will.

        • Serai 1
          • everstar

            Firefly/Chicolini 2020!

        • jesterpunk

          The DNC is to blame, they should have never let Bernie’s dumbass run in the first place as a Democrat. He just joined to run then left as soon as he lost and wouldn’t shut the fuck up about how its all their fault. If he wants a seat at the table he can join the Democratic Party, if he wants to stay independent he can STFU.

          • middleclassman1

            The Democrats will continue to lose with thinking like that. The Democrats had the opportunity to pull in and keep independants let me myself and they blew it!

          • jesterpunk

            Oh no, you wont vote for Democrats, what will we ever do without a bunch of children who cry when they dont get their way?

            Here are some donuts and some water for you to cry about.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7a6da67391fe13ff21e2bf70bdee9bf4b4db5f3aab30520a600f5ee732e10d7b.jpg

          • middleclassman1

            Yes the Democrats have been doing real good with elections the last decade lol. Fools will be fools

          • jesterpunk

            So we should listen to a bunch of babies who cry about fucking donuts and bottled water and cry when they dont get their way? How about you fuck off and let the adults in the room fix this mess again. You can cry how no one takes you babies seriously and wont give you everything you want while we fix this shit.

          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

            They’re just like Republicans, aren’t they?

          • jesterpunk

            They are worse, republicans at least admit they are assholes who think they should get their way.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            THIS^^

          • middleclassman1

            Sounds like you are the one who is crying I’m just pointing out the facts

          • jesterpunk

            What facts?

          • Moar Wordz

            Sorry, what about the phrase two blue terms in office DON’T you understand ?!

          • middleclassman1

            Yes Obama won the presidency but we have been getting our asses kicked up and down the ballot and the State ballots also and if you guys don’t realize that then we are all done.

          • Moar Wordz

            Twice. He won it TWICE.
            Yep. ” Asses kicked up and down the ballot, ” and if ” you guys don’t realize it then we are all done. ”
            What made you decide us ” guys ”
            and a woman is writing this , don’t realize it ?

          • ltmcdies

            White independents like you, right
            People who really aren’t gonna feel the sting of Trumps policy unless he reninstitutes the draft

          • middleclassman1

            I am a working class American, I will feel it and all the other Republican bullshit they push through. RTW, labor board appointments, supreme Court appointments, but tell me what the Democrats and Hillary have given other than lip service while serving their donors? And to clarify I won’t vote Republican but I’m getting tired of promises and no action by Democrats.

          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

            Wait, are you middle class or working class? Do they know those are two different things in Albania?
            Here, let me educate you about Democrats, boiler room Albanian.
            http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

        • ltmcdies

          Go ahead. Doesn’t change a damn thing. Too many agrieved Bernie voters cast their vote to wind and now here the world is with a man baby in charge of the nukes

          And before we do the obligatory ” Bernie would have…”. The guy isn’t squeaky clean, the GOP had a dirty campaign ready with Putins bots pushing it
          From where I sit that’s big danger being lost playing blame the DNC… this is gonna again

          • Dinz6315

            The GOP never even got going on Bernie, but if they had, they would have annihilated him.

          • sarafina

            With much more than votes.

    • miss_grundy

      The Bernie-ites who voted for Trump should be hunted down and given the kind of spanking that only those of us who attended parochial school back in the day would appreciate. You wouldn’t be able to sit for at least four days. That is what the Bernie-ites deserve.

    • shivaskeeper

      So who was the ideal candidate? How would the ideal candidate get anything done in with the makeup of the current Congress? Which “questionable ethics” did DJT steal from Clinton? Which one of your “progressive ideas” was not pushed, and how would you have done it differently? Who are you that this is our problem, but we should still listen to you? I mean if it’s “your questionable ethics” that means your are not one of us, so why do you get any input at all?

      Last but certainly not least, how did you vote when it came right down to it? Did you chose lesser or greater evil?

      Please, at least try, to not resort to strawmen arguments. I’d also ask you not move the goalposts, bit you haven’t set any goalposts up.

      • middleclassman1

        I held my nose and voted for Hillary, it didn’t make me feel good.

        • shivaskeeper

          That’s one answer. What about the rest of the fairly simple questions?

        • Serai 1
        • ltmcdies

          well I guess it sucks to be you, huh
          You know who else it sucks for … that kid who’s dad just got deported.
          You know the people who can’t just ride this mess out because you made a big deal about your nose holding

          • hillarysleftone

            What? he voted for her. Who gives a shit how he felt about it, it was one in her column. Unlike WMW, who says he/she didn’t.

          • ltmcdies

            from where I’m sitting watching this American fiasco unfold and very worried we’re going to see similar interference during our next elections….this focusing on “who was a better candidate” utterly misses the point which is the methods being used to push bad information and how easy it was.

            Even the Sanders camp grudgingly admits a fair number of them were had

            http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/bernie-sanders-fake-news-russia_us_58c34d97e4b0ed71826cdb36

            It pretty hard to believe bad foreign actors won’t do this again since it’s worked so well this time.

            As for the whole “hold you nose” comment….here’s the problem…
            if it was said once, it was said more than once and if it was said election day…it might have enough a tip a few voters without meaning too

            Words matter

    • Serai 1

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fe1b8af7bbfbd6f03f10696aff57ca9fbb8b95f3bffcddef437bc349dd4c3a12.gif

      I will dance a happy dance the day I never have to hear from you naive bullshit-swallowing Russian puppets again. Go blow your failed Grandpa and let the adults talk, little boy.

      • middleclassman1

        Lol your candidate lost to the worse person to ever run what do you know?

        • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

          Your candidate lost the primary to Wall Street Cankles. Oh, that’s right, you’re going to say it was rigged, because you’re a pathetic fucking little turd.

          • middleclassman1

            It was proven to be rigged fool, that’s why DWS was run out of town to her payday lender friends or did you miss that?

          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

            It was not proven to be rigged, dipshit. Is there some part of “go fuck yourself” you are not understanding?

          • middleclassman1

            Hey dumb ass it was proven, that’s why DWS was run out of town.

          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

            Reread my previous comment, pigturd.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos
          • jesterpunk

            She convinced more people to vote for her instead of Bernie and his babies. QED rigged.

          • ltmcdies

            Receipts please… come on now. Some documentation would be nice

        • Serai 1
    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
    • sarafina

      Who are you talking about? HRC had LOTS of progressive ideas. There was not excitement about her campaign because Trump’s Batshit Crazy Circus was all the media would cover. Hopefully, you will soon be voted off the planet so there will be more time, space and oxygen for the rest of us.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos
      • Roadstergal

        I got a fuckton of excitement and hope out of her. I remember watching the Democratic Convention and feeling real joy and anticipation and true pride in being an American.

        Short-lived though it was.

      • Pisto75666

        The nerve of that coming from someone who’s candidate’s whole message was ‘free college’ and “police brutality? what police brutality?”

        • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

          Never forget he wanted to primary Obama in 2012. That tells you everything you need to know about who he is.

          • Pisto75666

            I didn’t know about that until now. FFS. He wanted to do that AS an independent?

      • ryp

        Did any of those middle school girls come out to vote? No! Fucking lazy-ass post-millenials, too busy posting emojis on Insta-chat to steal their grandpa’s absentee ballot.

  • The Wanderer

    She should have just pulled the razor from her garter and cut a bitch. Great TV!

  • Tzipora Kaplan

    I’m glad you will be reading her book twice, Evan, for I always read your Hillary articles twice; the first time to laugh, the second time to cry.

  • Blackest Noobs

    If Cher could turn back time, she probably murder Trump in his sleep before he even considered running for office….sorry for some reason that song was in my head.

  • Amelia Resists and Persists

    Before this, like every Hillary post, turns into a trash pile of Bernie Bro Bullshit, I’m just going to say that I look forward to reading this book just as soon as I come out of mourning, which I’m starting to think will be when a Democrat’s back in the oval.

    Otherwise I will ruin my iPad with my tears.

    • everstar

      I feel ya. The fact that we came so close to having her for the first woman president just breaks my heart.

  • Raan
  • AnnieGetYerFun

    The only thing I wish Hillary had done differently was her saying “basket of deplorables.”

    She should have said “septic tank of fuckwads.”

    • MissNomer

      We knew that’s what she meant.

  • Blackest Noobs

    sorta kinda on topic: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-generic-ballot-polls/?ex_cid=rrpromo

    oh oh Republicans, your numbers just had a drastic drop….hmmmm i wonder why?

    but don’t go gloating yet Democrats, you still got plenty of work to do…..so don’t fuck this up!!!!

    • dshwa

      Don’t worry, I’m sure the media will find some way to get/keep the Bernie bunch wound up enough to get their favorite “democrats in disarray” narrative going.

  • Ms.MLG on Maui

    That excerpt…She is describing an experience most women have had. I have had it more than once. A man is trying to frighten and intimidate you, and you have to decide how you are going to handle that. Do you protect yourself by remaining quiet and calm in hopes you diffuse the situation? Or do you get in his face, and hope that causes him to back off? I’m sick and tired of women having to make that choice.

    • Slithytoves

      Oh I serve on a City Council and I have to be be very careful about what I say and how I say it while this one male councilor rants and raves and treats people like shit. If I say anything the least snarky then people start talking about how I’m a bitch.

      • Ms.MLG on Maui

        We have all been there, sister. It’s hard. And it’s wrong.

        • sonali

          Every damn day.

      • Moar Wordz

        Let them talk then. You don’t have to bite your tongue to appease gossips.

  • AngryNotSoOldHippy .

    She is a far right wing Republican pile of shit, she needs to fucking go away.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    I feel this needs a repost. Honestly, it could be updated after the events of the last few weeks and be more even more cutting, but it’s still relevant: Are You Fucking Kidding Me, by Hillary Clinton

  • Moebym of the Returners

    Butbutbut she’s a corrupt treasonous globalist*! (*real quote). We’re so lucky we dodged that bullet and have an actual corrupt treasonous globalist in office.

  • Suse

    Reading the anti-Hillz comments today at WaPo made me sick. How anyone could believe that Agent Orange was more honest, qualified, saner, smarter, even-tempered, yadda, yadda, yadda just kills me.

    • miss_grundy

      Because those people are stupid. The idea that this shithead was more honest is the stupidest thing any of those yahoos can say considering that he has spent his entire life telling one lie after another. Or the idea that he was qualified (NO!), saner (NO!), even-tempered (NO!) or smarter (HELL NO!).

      • tza

        I have an aunt like this and can confirm: idiot. She was stunned to learn CA has the biggest economy in the nation since she assumed it was some collapsed failed liberal mess. Also Trump has impeccable character. I about wanted to scream.

        • Roadstergal

          Oh gawd, they’re building a new biotech park down the street from me, and a new tech building next to the Salesforce building. Traffic is gonna suuuuuck (except lanesharing is legal here, so no traffic for the two-wheeled). Failed liberal mess, lol.

  • CeeQ

    Totally getting this book

  • SisterArtemis

    Good review writin’ Evan!

  • Persistent Tennessee Rain

    Shut UP JOE! You’re partly responsible for this shit storm. Assbutt.

  • susan_g

    I searched for the Clinton book on Amazon and a knock-off troll version came up. Same title, typeface and layout for the cover.

  • what, me worry?

    “I wish I had campaigned hard in Wisconsin and Michigan, or, you know, at all, and spared America this ongoing nightmare. I’ll never forgive myself for that oversight, and what it’s done to the country” ~ From the new book, Things You’ll Never Hear Hillary Clinton Say.

    • jesterpunk
      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        lol, I was JUST thinking, I know how this is going to turn out.

        • jesterpunk

          I have lots of gifs saved and some song lyrics if I run out of gifs to steal Panika’s idea.

      • what, me worry?

        Busy day.

        How you been?

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      Have you read the book yet?

      • what, me worry?

        I read this…

        “I take responsibility for every decision I make — but that’s not why I lost,”

        http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/01/politics/hillary-clinton-2016/index.html

        So… yeah. Pretty sure she’s not losing any sleep over her dumbass campaign strategy that blew up in her face. Not her fault. Nope. Never her fault.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          yeah, that’s not the book. So don’t go saying she’s not saying things if you haven’t read the thing she just published.

          Man, and I thought we were making progress the last time we talked.

          Also, just for fun, from your link:
          Cilizza, really?
          Why didn’t you click through to the original story?
          http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/31/politics/hillary-clinton-recode-loss/index.html

          The sad state of things at the DNC, Clinton continued, was only exacerbated by numerous efforts to influence the outcome of the presidential election. As she has now said many times, the ex-secretary of state again alleged that former FBI Director James Comey’s decision on October 28, 2016, to send a letter to Congress about her email controversy was simply devastating.

          Here’s a timeline leading up to James Comey’s firing and the fallout it unleashed

          “I can’t look inside the guy’s mind. He dumped that on me on October 28, and I immediately start falling,” she said.

          And while she repeated that it was a “mistake” to use a private email server during her time at the State Department, she also said that plenty of others — including the media — were complicit in fanning the flames.”


          “Clinton also described the attention around her paid speeches to Goldman Sachs as having been blown out of proportion. Asked why she insisted on addressing the big bank, she challenged the moderators by asking: “Why do you have Goldman Sachs here?”

          “Because they pay us,” a moderator answered.

          “They paid me,” Clinton responded.”
          (ZING!)

          • what, me worry?
          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            EXACTLY MY FUCKIG POINT.

            I knew it’s not out yet, so was surprised you would told us all what wasn’t in it.

          • what, me worry?

            Meet you back here on Sept 13th so you can point out the page with Clinton’s mea culpa for fucking up the election.

            I’m saying you’ll never hear her admit any fault.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            okay, see ya then.

          • shivaskeeper

            As of he’d have an honest argument ready on the 13th? This one doesn’t even try to argue in good faith.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            i know – but he actually showed signs of being a rational person at the tail end of our last conversation, so I have hope.

            (I know, naive of me).

          • what, me worry?

            Don’t be like that… Just because you aren’t correct doesn’t mean I cheated.

          • shivaskeeper

            I told you we were done last time. Your strawmen, moving goalposts, magical thinking, attempts at deflection instead of answering simple questions, and all around arguments in bad faith told me everything I need to know about you and your beliefs.

            I. can’t debate or attempt to see and understand someone’s views if they won’t debate honestly. We’re still done here.

          • what, me worry?

            ^^ Sore Loser ^^

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            nope, he’s never “lost” to you. Ever.

            It’s pretty damn accurate and exactly how i feel.

          • DonnaDiva

            You’re smelling your upper lip, Second Place Participation Trophy in the Democratic Primary Winner.

          • Serai 1
          • teele

            Goddam, you dipshits are wearing out my blocking finger today!

          • what, me worry?

            LOL. It’s very funny that someone I’ve never interacted with feels the need to block, because heaven forbid you see any commentary you might disagree with!

          • Moar Wordz

            Oh, we C you, it’s hard to miss asinine

          • MissNomer

            There’s a glut of ignorant commentary on the intertubes these days. Nobody needs your extra-special-stupid version, especially not here. Buh-bye.

          • Serai 1
          • sarafina

            I actually think I have heard/read her say words to that effect. Not going to look it up, as you don’t really care, anymore than Cliven Bundy is an American Patriot.

          • DonnaDiva

            You dumbasses fucked up the election. No one owes you mea shit.

          • Serai 1
          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            >>>man, and i thought we were making progress the last time we talked<<<

            yaknow, i hate to say 'i hate to say i told ya so', but uhhhh…..

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            i know…

          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            sorry….

        • Moar Wordz

          I suppose you lay Benghazi directly at her feet ?
          Google Charlene 🐑, just for shitz & gigglez, & C what comes up. Go on, dare you !

          • what, me worry?

            Yes, a critical analysis of the things that went wrong with a campaign is totally the same thing as blaming Clinton for Benghazi.

            How do you people even dress yourselves?

          • Moar Wordz

            I’m sure you’re VERY PROUD of your “critical analysis ” i.e bias.
            ” Benghazi is ALL HRC’s FAULT !!!! LOCK HER UP !!!! ” seems to be the go to position of the unendurably smug and narrow minded, a group I
            thought you’d be a member of, given your previous comments.
            But please, my mistake. You obviously are privy to knowledge we at Wonkette are on pins and needles to hear.
            Mansplain away !! I can’t gaurantee I won’t block you, however. And everyone else here.

          • Moar Wordz

            So, accuse us all of being epithet spewing ignoramus’, then trot out the insult.
            We dress ourselves the same way you do, perhaps with less pinstripes.

          • Jeffery Campbell

            And a lot more flair.

          • Moar Wordz

            Bwaaaaaaah !

          • Serai 1
          • ltmcdies

            I love every line in that movie and many of said lines could apply to bros

        • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
        • Serai 1
    • miss_grundy

      I’m sorry to have to say it but there are a lot of stupid people in Michigan who would have voted for Tangerini anyway.

      • what, me worry?

        Suggesting that it wouldn’t have mattered if she actually campaigned kind of undercuts all the Clintonistas here, who claim Stein’s < 1% cost Hillary the election.

        • Serai 1
        • miss_grundy

          I attend church with women who are in their 80s and most of them are terribly misogynistic toward ambitious women, like Hillary. Perhaps it is a generational thing. But they voted for Trump.

          • Helene Logan

            I know women like that, too–they only remember the ‘baking cookies’ remark and are in a consistent snit of pearl-clutching over all things Hillary. How dare she have opinions! That’s for the menfolk!

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      Go fuck yourself.

    • Serai 1
    • DonnaDiva

      “I wish I had trained my supporters to find fucking registration deadlines and hadn’t stepped on my dick with Black voters in crucial primary states. Whoops, my bad!” – From “Things You’ll Never Hear Bernie Sanders or His Dumbass Stans Say”.

      Dismissed.

      • Roadstergal

        You know a genuine error Hillary made re: Bernie voters? Treating him with kid gloves in the interest of keeping on good terms with his base. The die-hards like WMW would never have come over no matter what, and the less die-hard might have benefited from seeing just how tarnished his halo is.

        Signed, a disaffected former Bernie supporter (I lost my ‘faith’ before the primary, tho).

        • DonnaDiva

          Agree completely. When pressed by her haters with “well, did she make any mistakes, huh, huh??” my response is always: yes, a major one by not burying Sanders in the negative oppo before Iowa. It was foolish to believe his supporters being conditioned to see her as corrupt Satan would ever appreciate her laying off him.

          • what, me worry?

            She lost a lot of Bernie’s support when she chased disaffected Republicans and they’re money rather than trying to heal the party.

            But you guys keep doubling down on the “kick a hippie” strategy. It worked so well Last year!!!

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            so it was her job to heal a party that was fractured because of a butt hurt bunch of Bernie bots?

          • what, me worry?

            It was her job to heal the party as the nominee, if she wanted to win. She chose not to.

            She chose… Poorly.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            Really? It was her job? It was the job of butthurt bernie supporters to realize if they didn’t step up, we’d get what we have now?
            And really, she choose not to? how? by not bending to single payer? getting all “corporate donations” out of her campaign, making it impossible to campaign against the right wing behemoth? She didn’t try to reach out to sanders supporters?

            REALLY?
            You sure do remember things differently than I do.

          • what, me worry?

            Um. Yea. Assuming she wanted to win, yes.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            this right here makes you unworthy of debating with in the future.
            ye gods.

          • Jeffery Campbell

            Yes, like a person who quotes a lame movie.

          • DonnaDiva

            Counterpoint: Many of Bernie’s supporters were such morons slurping up Wikileaks that they were going piss their votes away no matter what, therefore she had to try and get GOP votes.

          • what, me worry?

            Again, incorrect. She could have won those votes by embracing the policies the entire Party and a majority of the public favored, like single payer.

            She could have taken a lot of votes from Trump with that too. Poor racists still need quality healthcare.

            But then she’d have lost all that sweet, sweet insurance lobby money…

          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

            SINGUL PAYUUURRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

            *drink*

          • jesterpunk

            So she does what the Bernie bros want then you change your minds and come up with new demands. When you get that you decide that isnt good enough and demand more and more. What about the almost 66 million people who voted for her in the general election and those of us that supported her over Bernie?

          • Jeffery Campbell
          • jesterpunk

            Yes, exactly like that.

          • amrak63

            THIS!

          • jesterpunk
          • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
          • jesterpunk

            She needs these, I found the generic not corporate tissues so she doesnt cry more.

            https://img1.cgtrader.com/items/226965/b7af253149/large/generic-tissue-box-3d-model-obj-3ds.jpg

        • what, me worry?

          Damnedable lie!

          First, more Bernie supporters came out and voted Hillary in the general than PUMAs did for Obama in ’08.

          Second, I was right here and let you know what she needed to do to win my vote, but she didn’t listen.

          If she came out and accepted the nomination, and admitted that large dollar corporate backing was indeed a corruptive influence, that she had a long talk about this with staff, and that from that moment forward, she’d refuse all corporate money, not only would I have voted for her, I’d have donated myself.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            “he’d refuse all corporate money, not only would I have voted for her, I’d have donated myself.”

            great, she gains a few votes from an extreme wing of the party and makes herself UTTERLY UNABLE to compete by making campaign stops, airing ads, or hiring stuff.

            That’s fucking stupid.

          • what, me worry?

            Says the guy who already knows that Sanders out raised her for 6 months by doing the same thing.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            sigh – i’d go research that cause I doubt its true, but I’m not going to. Even if true, a primary is far more fucking expensive than the general, dummy.

            He lost and a bunch of losers were so pissy about it they stayed home and now our country is in the hands of a madman.

          • what, me worry?

            Gee. Given the fact that you lost to a ridiculous, pompous bloviating ass clown that lied so transparently and so often that it became a running joke, it seems to me you probably shouldn’t have been turning up your nose at those votes after all, huh?

            But I’m sure the centrist wing knows what it’s doing. They’ve won so many seats over the past decade (negative 1100 at last count), one can almost feel the winning through the keyboard.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            ” it seems to me you probably shouldn’t have been turning up your nose at those votes after all, huh?”

            If they’re going to hold us hostage, why not? (Also, you, AS ALWAYS, forget about comey, the 24/7 negative media spin, the gerrymandering and voter suppression – I’ll assume for now the Russia thing is just a great big nothingburger manufactured by 17 intelligence agencies)

            Same goes for that fun 1100 number you keep tossing around.

          • what, me worry?

            Wow, I guess you’re right. I guess the Democratic Party should just pack it in then. No way they could ever win anything again… Unless I’m missing something…

            Oh. Yeah. Like all the crap that got hacked actually happened at the DNC, or THAT would have been a big nothingburger. You know the French election was also hacked, but the election result wasn’t changed because the hackers failed to find the same rampant corruption they found at the DNC.

            Now, if the DNC actually ran a democratic primary, the right candidate would have won and we’d be talking about how grass roots support for single payer could overcome Republican recalicitrance in Congress, rather than whether North Korea calling Trump a moron might spark WWIII.

          • jesterpunk
          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            sigh – just none of that is true. You’re exhausting.

            Okay brah, i’m done with you again today. I’ll let the others tell you how stupid you are.

          • what, me worry?

            The lawsuit has so far revealed an absolutely unabashed level of corruption in the Democratic Party establishment. Attorney Bruce Spiva stunningly argued in defense of the DNC during the latest April 25th hearing on the case: “There’s no right to not have your candidate disadvantaged or have another candidate advantaged. There’s no contractual obligation here,” Spiva further stated that the party had the right to select its candidate in any way it chooses and was “not bound by pledges of fairness.”

            Spiva’s defense has proved controversial, as it effectively admits the DNC primary process was rigged, but argues that this was not illegal. Jared Beck told US Uncut that he believed their suit would prove successful based on Article 5, Section 4 of the DNC charter which explicitly requires the chair of the DNC to remain impartial during the primary.

            https://archive.is/zoGm6

          • jesterpunk
          • CO

            Don’t forget Lee and Beck are complete nut bags that make WMW look sane.

          • what, me worry?

            Ok, so..

            1. The defense provided is a matter of public record. The DNC attorney stipulated to the bias, and simply claimed it isn’t fraud.

            2. Complaining about a biased website on Wonkette is ironic.

          • jesterpunk

            No one is using Wonkette as part of their argument you dumbass.

          • what, me worry?

            You’re on an admittedly biased website, complaining about bias in a website. You don’t see the irony there?

            Just staggering.

            Also, the defense is still part of the public record and still accurate, regardless what you think of the website that reported it.

          • jesterpunk

            Nope no irony, No one is using wonkette as part of their argument. If someone was while complaining about another biased website then it would be ironic.

          • what, me worry?

            You don’t know the difference between an inconsistent argument, which I haven’t accused you of, with irony.

            Irony is the humorous juxtaposition of two things that seem out of place. Like naming the national airport after the president who fired all the air traffic controllers. It’s funny, because it’s an odd choice.

            You know what? Your lack of sense of humor is your problem.

          • jesterpunk
          • everstar

            Good gods, how are you going to get through the rest of this presidency? I don’t know if there are enough Epipens in the world for that.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            he did NOT stipulate, you don’t know what stipulating is.

            public opinion on a blog is NOT fucking bias.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            yeah, we’ve been over this. (and that’s assuming you’ve accurately transcribed what Spiva said).

            If i’m sued for selling a house, I don’t have to litigate whatever crazy thing the buyer is arguing. I can resolve fast and cheap by pointing out that I’m only held to what’s in the contract. You like to take that as an admission that is was rigged and IT’s FUCKING NOT.

            (And as we keep saying and you keep ignoring, primaries are private and only operate by their charters, they had NO duty to do anything special for snowflake bernie. The charter, per your link says,

            Now, let’s look at your link. Oh, it’s to a story from an outlet I’ve never heard, not to the court docs. Grain o’ salt then.

            I’m not gonna go through this line by line, cause you’re already exhausting enough. But all I see is cherry picked quotes, assumptions and mischaracterizations.

            I’m off to the gym.

          • what, me worry?

            The defense is a matter of public record. It’s easy to find.

            To your other point, if you’re being sued, you’re the defendant. The plaintiff has the burden of proof. So, if the idea that Clinton was advantaged is crazy pants, the defense could simply be, Nuh Uh. Prove it.

            And the plaintiff would be responsible for proving the allegation. It makes the defense’s job pretty easy, if there is no proof.

            That’s not what happened here. They said, “Sure, we rigged the primary.. So?”

            But whe you come in thIs isolated little bubble, none of that happened. It just seems odd to me that so many people would be this aggressively and willfully ignorant of current events.

          • They never said sure we rigged the primary.
            The DNC backed the actual Democrat. Which Bernie was for about two and a half days. No, they did not “rig” a damned thng.
            HE GOT LESS VOTES.
            You useless ratfucking idiot.

          • what, me worry?

            The defense is that rigging the primary is NBD. Seems like a big risk, considering the DNC charter says it is a big deal, and millions of dollars were donated based on the assurances in that charter.

            That’s the definition of fraud. Misrepresentation for the purpose of material gain.

            If there was no bias, the defense would be, there was no bias. The plaintiff would be responsible for the burden of proof. But they decided to roll the dice with a risky strategy that basically admits fraud?

            If you’re right, the DNC should fire their lawyers.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            From SIba:

            “”Well, I mean our position, your Honor, is there was no such preference, and certainly there was no — the Democratic National Committee did not, you know, tell the state parties that it supported one candidate over the other.”

            “And I should say, your Honor, I just want to be clear, because I know it may sometimes sound like I am somehow suggesting that I think the party did not — you know, the party’s position is that it has not violated in the least this provision of its charter.”

            But I doubt you made it this far down. Reply with a breed of cat and I will know you at least scrolled down.”

          • everstar

            That’s what I’ve never understood: the Democrats had a vested interest in Hillary being the nominee because she’s a Democrat. Yes, in a perfect Marquess-of-Queensberry-rules universe, the Democrats would have given equal support to Bernie’s campaign. But as tbogg once wrote, “[we] don’t live there.”

          • amrak63

            You mean “You useless ratraping idiot”.

            No self-respecting rat would consent to fuck WMW.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            “the defense could simply be, Nuh Uh. Prove it.”

            Why waste all the money going through teh process? Do you know how it works? lawsuit and answer, discovery, objections, status hearings, depositions, and trials. Why go through it when then dont’ have a legal point to stand on.

            (which is what you’re confusing the last bit for).

            And what goddamn gall for talking about aggressively and willfully ignorant – we prove you wrong OVER AND OVER AND OVER again and you never cede the point (cept that one time) and keep spouting tired, debunked, stupid talking points.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            “The defense is a matter of public record. It’s easy to find.”

            So you’re going ot make me do your work, again. I know you’ll ignore all this or hand wave it away, but this is for the edification of everyone:

            You have to actually pay to access it at the Southern District of Florida, but luckily some PAC has filings (assuming they’re all genuine and posted).

            1) Right off the bat, your plaintiffs fuck up. The DNC charter says the “CHAIRPERSON”, DWS, has to be impartial – then conflates her with the rest of the DNC. Two different things.

            2) The complaint refers to the hacked docs as “purpotedly” from the DNC. We know hackers have falsified docs before. While I withhold judgment till I see them authenticated (something required in a lawsuit), we’ll move forward recognizing this, but assuming these are genuine.

            3) The first allegation of perfidy here is a memo, ONE MEMO. If it’s real and true, it was a poorly written memo and I condemn what they were advocating. Maybe they assumed HRC would be the nominee (as all the polling at the time indicates). Maybe none of these PROPOSED actions took place. NOT CONCLUSIVE. Now, they included the alleged memo. “Our goals in the coming months will be to frame the Republican field and the eventual nominee early and to provide a contrast between the GOP field and HRC”. They amended their complaint twice more at least, but i’m not going through all that.

            4) Okay, more “documents” “released” by the hacker. Assuming genuine, it’s a bunch of stuff related to hillary’s background, basically what could be used as oppo research. How or why this is evidence of “rigged”, I have no idea. The plaintiffs never explain how or why this proves that the DNC was “in the tank” for Hillary. Just that these documents existed and were held by the DNC.

            5). THAT’S IT – the some total of the factual basis of their lawsuit.

            6) So, let’s look at the april 25th hearing transcript – here’s what it ACTUALLY says in context (further up he’s discussing standing, the right to sue, this how he addresses it, which incorporates your out of context quote):

            “And then in terms of concrete injury, which was really the first prong, that, again, is problematic, because — and this goes back to your Honor’s question — there is no right to — just by virtue of making a donation, to enforce the parties’ internal rules. And there’s no right to not have your candidate disadvantaged or have another candidate advantaged. There’s no contractual obligation here.”

            Taken out of context, it does sound horrible. But this is what he meant, especially in re: to the putative fraud claim. Elsewhere he notes it’s the DNC’s position was no “fraud” was involved:

            “Well, I mean our position, your Honor, is there was no such preference, and certainly there was no — the Democratic National Committee did not, you know, tell the state parties that it supported one candidate over the other.”

            “And I should say, your Honor, I just want to be clear, because I know it may sometimes sound like I am somehow suggesting that I think the party did not — you know, the party’s position is that it has not violated in the least this provision of its charter.”

            But I doubt you made it this far down. Reply with a breed of cat and I will know you at least scrolled down.

          • CO

            Their attorney lost to Trump. They’re not creams of the crop.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAjtfMPDCPw
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztxhBEgKCWE

          • Roadstergal

            Persian!!!

            OK, now I’m on another watch list.

          • FallsAngel

            There ya go!

          • jesterpunk

            The lawsuit was throw out today.

            https://lawnewz.com/high-profile/in-brutal-takedown-judge-boots-berniebackers-fraud-lawsuit-out-of-court/

            A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit filed by hundreds of Bernie Sanders supporters alleging fraud by the Democratic National Committee. In the lawsuit which was filed last June, the plaintiffs contend that the DNC “actively concealed its bias” from its donors and supporters and was in cahoots with the Clinton campaign to tip the scales in her favor. The Bernie backers claimed that emails released through Wikileaks bolstered their case even further. But, in an opinion released Friday, a federal judge shot them down and said they don’t have a case — at least not legally.

            Judge William Zloch, a Reagan appointee, said even if their allegations are true, they don’t have standing nor have they demonstrated any recognizable injury and thus ordered the case closed. He didn’t mince words either in his 28-page order.

            “To the extent Plaintiffs wish to air their general grievances with the DNC or its candidate selection process, their redress is through the ballot box, the DNC’s internal workings, or their right of free speech——not through the judiciary,” wrote Judge William Zloch in an order dismissing the case. The judge added that the plaintiffs also lack standing to sue.

            The judge wrote:

            The Plaintiffs asserting each of these causes of action specifically allege that they donated to the DNC or to Bernie Sanders’s campaign. But not one of them alleges that they ever read the DNC’s charter or heard the statements they now claim are false before making their donations. And not one of them alleges that they took action in reliance on the DNC’s charter or the statements identified in the First Amended Complaint (DE 8). Absent such allegations, these Plaintiffs lack standing.

            Ouch. In the lawsuit, the Bernie backers claimed they had standing to sue because they donated to the DNC thinking that the organization was neutral during the primaries.

            “The act of donating to an organization does not, of itself, create a legally protected interest in the organization’s operations,” Judge Zloch said. The lawsuit was filed by attorneys Jared and Elizabeth Lee Beck against the DNC and its former chair Deborah Wasserman Schultz. Schultz resigned from her role amid pressure following the release of the hacked DNC emails. We reached out to Mr. Beck to get reaction about the judge’s order.

          • what, me worry?

            The judge agreed that the plaintiffs proved the bias assertion, but didn’t prove damage. Which seems weird to me, since, why would you donate to a campaign if you knew the race was rigged, but that’s showbiz.

          • jesterpunk

            That isnt what the article says.

            Judge William Zloch, a Reagan appointee, said even if their allegations are true, they don’t have standing nor have they demonstrated any recognizable injury and thus ordered the case closed. He didn’t mince words either in his 28-page order.

          • what, me worry?

            Maybe you should read the decision, sparky. I did.

            Page 2: “In evaluating Plaintiffs’ claims at this stage, the Court
            assumes their allegations are true——that the DNC and Wasserman Schultz held a palpable bias in favor Clinton and sought to propel her ahead of her Democratic opponents.”

            http://jampac.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/62-D.E.-62-Ord-of-Dismissal-8-25-17.pdf

            I actually don’t want my Bernie Money back. All I wanted was acknowledgement of the bias. That’s what we got.

          • jesterpunk

            Assumes its true, doesnt mean its true. The case was also thrown out and the judge said you need to read the DNC charter.

          • what, me worry?

            The court heard enough to believe the contention. Were that not the case, the decisions would have read, “Even if all that was alleged is true…”

            The court threw the DNC a lifeline. You think I didn’t read the charter? I read the decision. You didn’t.

            The facts of the case were clear. The DNC charter asserts an impartial primary. There were veritable tons of evidence that the primary wasn’t impartial. The DNC defense was, “So?” And apparently the judge agreed.

            What that does is prevents the DNC from having to pay back all those Bernie supporters. What it doesn’t is exonerates the DNC’s clearly fraudulent activity

            They pretended to have a primary to make the eventual nominee look like the legitimate choice. Meanwhile, they made sure that any other candidate wouldn’t get their platform out to the voters, wouldn’t get any airtime, and wouldn’t get any votes from any voters who aren’t plugged into to the Internet already.

            You can excuse that if you want. If you’re happy with how the DNC functions and speaks to your issues, I’m happy for you. But don’t piss on my back and tell me it’s raining.

          • jesterpunk

            So more Bernie math, he loses the primaries but should have won. The court case is tossed out of court and that means the DNC is crooked. What color is the sky in your world?

          • what, me worry?

            More condescension. Awesome. My sky is blue. God knows what color yours is.

            The DNC, or, more accurately, DWS, in collaboration with Clinton, reduced debates from 26 to 6. They scheduled them during weekends and major sporting events to limit the audience. All of this was done to ensure any new entrants wouldn’t be able to widely publicize their platform, to prevent what happened to Clinton in 2008.

            The email leaks showed, literally, the DNC working hand in glove with the Clinton campaign, strategizing attack scenarios against Sanders. It showed the DNC discounting the Sanders campaign as a sideshow to the media, while playing up Clinton’s inevitability. Advertising the super delegates that hadn’t voted yet as already her delegates. Everything they did was designed to promote Clinton, and sidetrack Sanders.

            The court agreed. The judge said as much in the decision. You choose to discount all of it. That’s fine. You don’t have to believe anything you don’t want to. But don’t pretend that everything we already know we don’t know. Don’t gaslight people. Dickheads do that. You’re not a dickhead, are you?

          • Roadstergal

            “You know the French election was also hacked, but the election result wasn’t changed”

            For various reasons, but I’ll skip them all to get right to the biggest one – because IN FRANCE, THE POPULAR VOTE WINNER WINS THE ELECTION. Have you noticed that subtle difference between them and the US? Pop quiz, who was the popular vote winner in the US?

          • what, me worry?

            Yeah, too bad no one told Clinton how the US election system worked. She might have gotten off her ass and campaigned in the industrial Midwest, and maybe won the election, instead of having her bots whine about the popular vote online.

            Pity. Maybe next time.

          • Jeffery Campbell

            And what is your plan for victory, Custer?

          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            you go down there, general, if you’ve got the nerve (spoiler alert: the muleskinner outsmarts him again)

          • de_Pizan

            Because of his $27 donations stunt, Sanders also got hit with a completely unprecedented 639 PAGES of FEC violations because his donors were 1-going well over the $2700 maximum allowed from individuals, and 2-his campaign didn’t do enough to weed out foreign donors. I’m going to go with it doesn’t matter whether or not he supposedly out-raised Clinton, if the end result was that he was in violation of campaign law and he had to refund money.

          • Jeffery Campbell

            “That’s fucking stupid.” An excellent précis of everything our BernBot has to say.

          • On the one hand, screams that Bernie fans supported Hillary. On the other, sniffs about Hillary didn’t win his precious OH SO PURE vote because reasons.
            Leave a dollar in the hat, gents, this here is art.

          • Jeffery Campbell

            If, if, if…you wouldn’t have voted for HRC if she had been the only candidate in the race – on either side.

    • I knew you’d show up!
      I win bingo tonight, yay!

      “I wish I didn’t hate Hillary Clinton more than I care about anyone in the world”
      -From the new pamphlet on monotype “Things What, me worry, worries about”

  • miss_grundy

    I wish she would have used Option B and added some pepper spray vote and a collapsible baton vote while she told the POS to back the f*ck up and stop doing nose powder before coming on stage. I wish she would have done all of this Dok, with votes.

  • SadDemInTex

    I think she should have “accidentally” backed up and put her heel on his foot….HARD. Or “accidentally” tripped right into him.

    • jesterpunk

      Or tripped and accidentally put her heel into his chest.

      • sonali

        Or tripped and accidentally stabbed him several times…

        • Covfefe of da thoughtless mind

          Or tripped and accidentally beat him senseless with the mike.

          • SprinklemagicResistancebuns

            Or tripped and accidentally kneed him in the nads.

            Although that would be a hard target to find.

          • Covfefe of da thoughtless mind

            Indubitably.

  • SadDemInTex

    I have to say that HRC would have been used and abused by the Rethugs as much as possible. They would have had hearing after hearing trying to pin something on her and they would have had vote after vote to repeal the ACA. In other words, what they did with Obama but even worse because she is not a man and they wouldn’t have had to worry about appearing racists fucks when criticizing her (although they pretty much did that with Obama…I still think there was a certain amount of restraint on the part of certain Rethugs). And this whole horror has done a great deal in uniting a very fragmented opposition party to these disgusting bigots and rapacious and mendacious Rethugs. Eventually (please cosmos) we will stop going over and over 2016 and even the BernieBros will either come back to opposition of evil or they will become completely irrelevant. When faced with what we are faced with, this moment in time, there is no “But Bernie was robbed” crap. I am sick of that shit. I voted for him in the primary but jeezusfuckingchristonacracker I voted for HRC in the election (with pleasure, btw). I still believe there are many more good people in the USA than these hateful bigots.

    • sarafina

      I’m very pleased with the Boston and Houston gatherings last weekend. And scaring all the cowardly Nazis off the ground and into the internet is nice, also too.

    • Serai 1

      Considering everything that’s come to light, she was fucked no matter what she did. So I wish she’d done something more active about that situation, for sure. She went with dignified, but that only gets you so far in a fight with a pig, and then he wins just through sheer aggression. Even if you’re determined not to get muddy with him, there’s no point in trying to ignore him, either.

      This makes me wonder if her team thought to ask about this kind of thing ahead of time. It should have been agreed that both candidates would stay at their lecterns, and the moderator would call out either if they moved. On top of protecting Hillary from that fucking Killer Klown, it would also have proved an interesting test – she’d have no trouble staying in one spot, but how would Twitler do? Without an actual written speech to read out loud? The confinement would have driven him crazy, not to mention getting scolded. Why don’t debate moderators have stronger spines?

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        to your point regarding the debate details, perhaps, as with the nuclear codes story, no one ever figured some lunatic would do this. I seem to remember that weird, bar stools and wandering around debate with Obama and McCAIN>

    • And they would’ve introduced articles of impeachment on day one, eight o’clock! It would’ve been an endless nightmare of investigations, accusations, and acrimony.

    • Helene Logan

      I think you are exactly on point here. That’s what I imagined would be happening, too. The republican party is made up of a majority of traitorous assholes at this stage who believe in party over country. I can only hope (and I sound like a broken record with this–saying it since Bush 1) that in 2018 people send a very strong message and vote these pieces of shit OUT.

  • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

    I already preordered my copy.

    Saw some LWNJ shitdribble on the nets last night, I can’t bother to remember where, about how she’s continuing to divide the Democratic Party when she didn’t support singul payurrr and Wall Street blah blah blah. I suppose we can expect more of the same.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      scroll down – it’s semi-accurate, but for the wrong reasons.

  • Resistance Fighter Astraea

    I am going to buy the hell out of this book and it will sit on my shelves next to Big Girls Don’t Cry by Rebecca Traister

  • catnmus

    I think he was just trying to get/stay in the camera shot. I wonder what she could have said about that, to maybe not be option A or B, but more like “Get out of my shot, DONALD.” Or just turn around real quick, when he’s right behind her, and say “Can I help you with something?”

    • Don’t make excuses for the rapist. Assume her reaction to him was the motivation. And, even if it wasn’t elevate her reaction to the most important and say he shoulda known that’s how it would be perceived and not done it.

      • catnmus

        Her calling him a creep would make her look intimidated and weak (regardless of the fact that HE is the one doing something wrong). Asking “Can I help you with something?” would project that she is the dominant one and he is the subordinate one needing some help.

        • I think you’re missing my point entirely.

  • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

    Washington (AFP) – A US government science envoy on Wednesday became the latest official to resign over Donald Trump’s refusal to condemn neo-Nazis and the latest to send a coded message of defiance via his resignation letter.

    Daniel Kammen, who had been in government service since 1996 and served as a state department envoy since 2016, said Trump had “harmed the quality of life in the United States, our standing abroad, and the sustainability of the planet.”

    But apparently it was Trump’s equivocation about white supremacists’ who led a deadly march in Charlottesville, Virginia that was the final straw.

    “My decision to resign is in response to your attacks on the core values of the United States. Your failure to condemn white supremacists and neo-Nazis has domestic and international ramifications,” Kammen wrote.

    But within the one page letter was a less obvious message — an acrostic, with the first letter of each paragraph spelling “IMPEACH.”

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-hit-fresh-resignation-165949929.html

  • psychobroad

    Someone said “back off you creep” should go on a bumper sticker. I’d buy one, or a Tshirt.

  • Yeah… still don’t *like* her.

    “I kept my cool, aided by a lifetime of dealing with difficult men trying to throw me off…” Like who? Bernie? Obama? your husband?

    Anyway… wish she’d won. yadda-yadda-yadda.
    I also wish she done Plan B. A little more of a “human” reaction against Trump’s carnival barker would’ve helped. After all, crying before the NH primary, helped her in 2008.

    • Crying didn’t help Edmund Muskie.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      “I kept my cool, aided by a lifetime of dealing with difficult men trying to throw me off…” ”

      Your avatar suggest your old enough to remember 30 years of endless attacks against her, by opposing politicians, media types, pundits, and god knows who else.

      • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

        28 comments. Hmmm.

      • I do remember… so what was the plan to counter the attacks everyone knew would be there. Send Bill to meet with Loretta Lynch?

        (I halfway think Bill sabotaged her campaign out of sub-conscious jealousy.)

        Hillary needed to make better TV! The idea of a woman president is inspiring. The idea of Trump president, repulsive. But a TV debate IS the time to make good TV. Making people talk about him was Trump’s only card. Hillary needed to counter that. Instead she was the grown up. Great.

        But she didn’t become President either.

        Hillary was up against unfair odds. I agree. Nothing but contempt for all who couldn’t get behind her.

        (still don’t *like* her.) Sorry.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          ???

          What does any of that have fuck all to do with your oriignal claim?

          I love how every body is a damn campaign consultant after hte thing is over.

          “Hillary was up against unfair odds”
          Including people like you. You make me embarrassed to be a texan and a punk rocker.

          “Nothing but contempt for all who couldn’t get behind her.”
          That is absolutely, demonstrably untrue.

    • MissNomer

      When you’re a brilliant woman who does things other than stay home and bake cookies, ALL men are difficult. Sometimes even when you aren’t brilliant and you do stay home and bake cookies, this is true.

      • sarafina

        No “sometimes” about it.

      • Really?!?! ALL???

        Well, maybe so, in your experience. God bless you.

        But a lot of these difficult men needed to be persuaded to vote for Hillary, whether they were difficult or not.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          WHY?

          should we have *persuaded* people to give people of color, women, and LGTBG people their support?

          Nah, they went out and fucking demanded it.

        • Bemused

          “men are dicks who need to be charmed into doing the right thing” I’m not sure this is what you intended to say, but it is what you said.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            thank you. Well put.

          • Well, if you think ALL men are dicks…
            then yes, I guess, they do need to be charmed.
            Some of them, at least…

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            1) that’s not what her point was
            2) again, why? Why do WE need to be catered to if WE’RE the ones being dicks. That makes no sense in an allegedly equal society.

          • Men make up half the electorate. If your starting position is that the moment a woman runs for president she has to deal with sexism, but she shouldn’t have to. So ignore it and hold your microphone tighter. This is not a winning position.

            So the large portion of the electorate that is male: they will naturally be sexist, hold her to a higher standard, etc. the media that is even more sexist, well, they should treat you fairly, so pretend they’re going to. Out class your opponent by stifling emotion. Great.
            When they go low, we’ll go high.
            Sounds lovely.

            Does it make you win?

            I live in Texas. We had a great lady governor once. She got there with charm AND smarts AND anger. They’re not all mutually exclusive.

    • She was not HUMAN enough to beat a literal walking talking trashpile ZOMG.

      • Human, emotional. Angry at the creep behind you? Show it.

        She calculated everything. Like her campaign.
        Trump made absolutely everything up as he went along.

        Hillary was running for leader of the free world.
        Trump was running for a reality show/popularity contest.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          and the fact that hte lowest common denominator won is somehow her fault?

          • Not her fault.
            But now it’s our problem.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            i’m gonna give you the benefit on the doubt on this – but let’s just say i read your initial comments totally different than what you’re saying now. So I’m prepared to move on.

    • ltmcdies

      I often thought if only Al Gore had shed a tear, maybe the Supreme Court would have given him the presidency

      • He should have been a Republican. THEN they woulda gone for it.

      • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

        He should have grown his beard before the campaign, it would have made him more human.

      • jesterpunk

        He should have smiled more too.

      • He shoulda ran on Bill’s record.

        • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

          Well, that, yes.

      • everstar

        If only he had somehow stopped Naomi Wolf from sniping about him and earth tones!

    • Jeffery Campbell

      Yeah…still don’t give a shit about your likes.

    • jesterpunk
    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      Damn you are stupid.

      • Ok. Sorry, I didn’t *like* your candidate.

        I supported her with my time, money and vote.
        I still find her calculating and pandering and cold.
        Her statement from the book reinforces my opinion.

        • Bemused

          She was the most experience candidate in modern history. I’m sorry she wasn’t *likeable* enough. Because it’s never enough for a woman to be good at something, or accomplished, or experienced, she has to be perky, or likeable, or more enthusiastic except then she’s not *serious* enough. It’s a no-win. THERE IS NO WAY TO WIN.

          • Trump managed to win without being likeable. That’s not my point. I wanted her to do something unplanned, unrehearsed, not field tested. I’m not saying she should’ve “smiled more”. I wanted her to WIN.

          • Bemused

            Men don’t have to be likeable.

            Every time she did something human, she got villified for it. She privately made a catty remark to a friend about her husband’s women and got pegged as being a slutshamer when it came out after the friend died. When she laughed it was reported that she “cackled” when she was excited about something, she was “shrill”. When her daughter got married and her grandkid was born they said she was “distracted” or that she would be too “soft.” It is impossible to walk that swordblade. THERE IS NO WIN CONDITION.

          • So what’s the solution… wait for a more enlightened world…

          • Bemused

            People holding themselves and each other responsible when they make an off the cuff remark that reinforces all those stereotypes about controlling, bitchy, emotional women. That Dad made a responsible decision to give up his motorcycle when his baby was born, he shouldn’t have to claim his wife made him to his “friends”. Bitches do not be crazy. No woman has ever blown up the world because of her period. Motherhood doesn’t make women soft. Having emotions doesn’t mean you are weak or crazy. Thinking about expectations for women vs expectations for men. This conversation here.

          • Roadstergal

            This. The solution is to ease up on the million paper cuts.

          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            not wait…fight

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          And women are getting sick to death of dealing with this response from dudes every time we talk about how sexism and these power dynamics affect us.

    • ltmcdies

      woman’s worked with men all her life….that is very short sighted observation….
      as any woman who’s ever had to deal with guys will tell you

      • Guys are half the electorate. They can’t be the problem.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          yet just about every woman on this thread has told you this is a regular if not frequent occurrence in their lives.

          • Difficult men? Yes, they exist! Not saying they don’t.

            The question is how do you run for US president as a woman and encounter difficult men and the sexism present in the media, and come out on the other side victorious? I think using Hillary’s own words… Option B would’ve been better.

            Also, calling out an entire gender as “difficult”, not helpful, IMHO.

    • SeeTrain65

      Teacher? Teach thyself.

    • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist
      • HooverVilles

        You got this right.

        • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

          TY. I thought it was obvious.

          • HooverVilles

            I should be, but SADLY! to a surprisingly large number of people it isn’t.
            Sigh!

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            I think you have to to be able to evaluate information through a realistic filter. I would read the stories and research them like the oft repeated uranium gem. Easily debunked and it shows many people don’t understand how to research, much less how a bureaucracy functions. If a critic uses that stratagem I know they are a disinformation bot, disingenuous or a “moran”.

    • lextims

      She should’ve gotten right up in his face, and kept talking, louder. He wants to get in close? Turn and talk directly into his face, then.

      Would she have taken a hit on FOX? Probably. But not necessarily among likely voters.

      But… one of the things that often makes me a little sad about Clinton is the way in which all of the things she had to do and all of the habits she had to adopt in order to operate in an unfriendly environment prior to the election ended up hurting her once she got there. Double jeopardy.

  • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

    Bernie Sanders will NOT be the Democratic nominee in 2020. He will not be the nominee, because he is a Ron Paul-type clown candidate and he will sink without a trace early in the primaries if he runs.

    However, IF he were to be the candidate (which is as hypothetical as can be, given that it assuredly will not happen), I WOULD NOT VOTE FOR HIM. If he were to be the candidate, he would be the most unaccomplished, scurrilous, cynical, shallow, credibility-lacking, empty Democratic candidate in modern times.

    • jesterpunk
      • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

        Oh, he’s just so butch in that one.

        • everstar

          What do you mean? Dean’s always butch!

          Almost managed to type that with a straight (har) face.

          • she persisted

            Please. My 76 year old mother is butcher than Dean.

          • everstar

            The list of people who are butcher than Dean is what we might call “lengthy.”

          • redblack

            “The list of people who are butcher than Dean don’t have a 50-state strategy is what we might call “lengthy.””

            ftfy

    • ryp

      Meh, if it’s Sanders or Pence or Trump, I’m voting for Sanders, while broadcasting loud and wide that I’M HOLDING MY NOSE WHILE DOING IT.

      But it won’t be Sanders anymore than it will be Clinton again.

      • redblack

        it would be nice if sanders’ and clinton’s supporters would stop kicking the shit out of each other in public long enough for us to decide just who the fuck we want to run in ’20.

        • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

          Both sides do Not do it.

          • redblack

            still doesn’t answer the question.

          • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

            Looked back up thread. Don’t see any question marks.

          • redblack

            i’ll rephrase, then.

            if we can stop kicking the shit out of each other for five god damned minutes, who the fuck are we going to run in ’20?

          • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

            Doesn’t matter yet. Ask again and I will hurt your feelings.

          • redblack

            you can’t hurt my feelings.

            then again, i can’t imagine why you’d want to.

          • MissNomer

            Both sides do not do it. Try again.

          • redblack

            both sides of what? the democratic party?

            look. i don’t care about who did what to whom or who thinks who was cheated or who blames whoever for whatever. but someone on the left is fighting someone else on the left for whatever reason, and it’s getting stale.

            i’m not trying to tell anyone else what to do or feel, and i don’t have my fist out for anyone except republicans and their lap dogs. i’m just hoping for a little common ground between the left and the left so we can bring this country back to a sane keel.

            if we don’t stand together, we’ll surely fall together.

        • ryp

          I have faith that will sort itself out. There will still be some grumbling from the loser camps, whoever that might be, as there always is, but hopefully it won’t fester to toxic levels. The desire to win the White House should help the focus better than the desire to just hold it.

        • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

          Fuck that Noize. We have 2018 to fight for right now. Lots of local, state and federal levels. Anyone who mentions 2020 at this point either gets ignored or mocked, depending on how annoying they are.

          • redblack

            so you’re still reposing in the “beating the shit out of each other is fun” phase. and that’s cool, but…

            2020 is the only election that we all have in common. all other politics – i.e. 2018 – is local.

            and, yeah, 2018 can bend the weathervane vis-à-vis gerrymandering and judiciary elections. it’s critical.

            but i think maybe we can kick the ball around a bit (instead of each other) as a fun mental exercise. kind of a fantasy white house sort of thing.

            we have to start coming together as a party.

          • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

            What? You are offended by “fuck that noize”? And “we have to start coming together as a party”? I said that I wasn’t a Democrat. I’d like to see the DNCC change, but I don’t expect it because they have no clue about the “coming together” because it seems like the leadership is more interested in playing reindeer games.

          • redblack

            i wish i could welcome you to the party. we’re going to need a mighty big wave.

        • everstar

          I would much rather we have these fights now than in 2020. Or 2018.

    • sarafina

      I just don’t like him. If it’s Bernie v. Cheetolini, I’ll write in HRC.

      • Bongstar420

        I don’t like HRC. Still voted for her despite not doing much of anything to fix the problem with rich people.

    • Bernie Sanders was born in 1941. He’s 75 right now. Can we stop with Bernie is going to run in 2020 at the age of 79? He’s in remarkable shape for his age, but I doubt he’s really going to run.

    • Bongstar420

      Regardless of your political opinion, his advanced age is likely going to do it.

      Your individual vote doesn’t matter, there are 300,000,000 American citizens. Lots of greedy pricks say the same exact thing….of course

    • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

      Plus he is old. Yeah, I participated on the blog “Things Younger Than McCain” in 2008. I even bought the t-shirt and the book. I truly believe that Bernie has energized the progressive base of the Democratic Party, but if he dares to run in 2020, I’ll create a “Things Younger Than Bernie” site IN A HEARTBEAT!

  • I was having panic attacks watching that debate. What Trump was doing was creepy and scary as fuck, and even though I knew in my mind he wasn’t going to attack her there on stage, it felt like he might – all my warning, red alert, danger instincts were firing. And I know I wasn’t the only one who felt that way, because I was hanging out in the comments section here with other people who were experiencing the same thing.

    I don’t know how she stayed so calm, but I knew exactly WHY she stayed so calm – if she hadn’t, the coverage would have been all about “look at the hysterical woman.” it would have sunk her and probably the next 20 year’s worth of potential female candidates along with her, and she knew it. So she did what she does and powered on through it.

    It breaks my heart that she’s still having to say sorry for not winning the electoral college. No candidate runs a perfect campaign, but hers was a good one in the face of some unprecedented obstacles. She shouldn’t have to keep apologizing for it.

    • Bongstar420

      A lot of dudes get laid with the technique. Chimpanzees even do it.

      As for her losing, like Hillary, I’m sorry there are so many greedy douches and morons out there. Make sense?

    • HooverVilles

      ^^^^THIS^^^^

    • Helene Logan

      Exactly! And SNL certainly caught wind of what was going on. Their bit on it nailed the stalker/aggressive hovering asshole behavior. So it wasn’t just a few of We Precious Delicate Flowers who perceived it this way.
      The Orange turd is a bully, and despite that if she had confronted him in ANY way, it would have been spun to make her look like a hair-triggered, fearful bunny rabbit unfit for the office. Everything she is not.
      She won the popular election by 3 million votes, and yet so many in media keep hounding her as if she was a colossal fuck up (I’m looking at you, NPR). Across the board, reporters were orgasmic in their endless coverage of Funny Clown, at the expense of the country. I felt throughout the Republican debates that the media never. ever paid attention to Kasich, and as much as I dislike everything ‘R’, he was their only fairly sane, middle-of-the-road candidate. He was doomed to the same fate as she was, in terms of reporting, all because of SHINY ORANGE THING.

      • HooverVilles

        With the media it is $$$ first and foremost. Today more than ever before.

    • lroom

      Thank you. Now I’m crying. My Mother says we didn’t deserve her.

  • Doug Langley

    Okay, my opinion of Hillary just dropped a few points. There is no reason for her to apologize. If anything, it’s the rest of us who should line up and, on bended knee, beg her forgiveness.

    Hillary didn’t run a bad campaign. Worst than Trump’s? Seriously? She wasn’t unpopular. Not when you win the Most Admired Woman in the World poll about 20 times or so. The election was stolen. Let’s just say it. All the polls had her cruising to easy victory. Everything was upset by voter suppression, Russian hacking, media bashing, Comey’s letter.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      take your blood pressure medicine before you scroll down.

      • Doug Langley

        I already visited the WaPo page where they discuss the book. The comments had my blood pressure screaming for mercy.

        • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

          Don’t. Read. The. Comments.

    • American women are taught from a young age to apologize, constantly, for things that are not our fault, we have no control over, and probably do not have much to do with ourselves.
      It is sort of ingrained.

      • sarafina

        And I am pretty fucking done with that shit.

        • Reclaim your time!

          • Bongstar420

            Its OK…most douches aren’t sorry either.

            Ironically, douches get laid a lot

          • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

            Yeas.

      • Bongstar420

        I apologize a lot. I have a Y chromosome.

      • everstar

        My therapist asked me once, “Has anyone ever told you you’re too nice?” I said, “Yes, and I felt terrible about them having to do so.”

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          i’m sorry, but that was funny.

          : D

          • everstar

            I spend way too much time in my sessions trying to make him laugh. :D

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            it’s a thing – i do it with everybody.

          • Grumpy Old Man

            I work for the IRS and the most common ‘concerns’ they have is that I make people laugh (“the word ‘facetious’ should not ever used”). Hell, they don’t want me to make jokes like “Look, the amount you owe is not worth firing up the black helicopters”. Today, a woman who has been paying off balance from 2006 burst into tears when I abated the penalties which actually generated a refund for her. No one helped her; no one noticed that her only income was SS or that she was overwhelmed with medical bills – I get so fucking pissed when I see stupid shit like that! All I can tell the taxpayer is “I don’t look back! I can not and will not try to explain someone else’s work”

            sorry, I digressed – Yeah, I try to inject humor whenever I can. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d06f5f97e01847610082e85a4ba614ed74a39b207a536a7c1c18d6275f24965b.gif

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            i can see that. I have back taxes and the IRS people have been SURPRISINGLY nice about it.

          • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

            I was in a divorce and my ex-husband was acting like a dumass. Duly noted and interest was suspended while I was fighting him. He eventually paid what he owed, when I refused to file for 5 years, delaying my refund checks.
            Don’t play with me.

          • everstar

            How dare you treat people with compassion and warmth! We must teach them that government is an uncaring, unfeeling monolith!

            Seriously, good for you. :)

          • H0mer0

            mine laughs, which is why he hasn’t labeled me ‘bipolar’ or ‘high-functioning Asperger’s’–yet.

          • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

            I’m bi-polar but my psychiatrist still laughs with me. I go every three months for a wellness visit and to get my meds fulfilled. Our 15-20 minute conversation is about the latest in politics, since he knows that that is how I spend my time.
            My mom was taking me to my appointments before I got a car and she would say “why do you have to come all the way over here to get a prescription form?” and I had to say that showing up on time for an appointment, washed and well groomed and lucid is part of the game. Duh.

    • Jany

      The election was stolen. Yep!

      • Bongstar420

        Brainwashing dumb people is not officially theft.

        Or am I hallucinating when I predict people’s opinions based on advertising campaigns (its funny that the counterculture crowd thinks they are free of being brainwashed)

    • Bongstar420

      People are dumb…so trumpski wins with word salad

    • Roadstergal

      I pre-ordered this book last night, and downloaded Hard Choices, because I hadn’t gotten around to that one yet. Reading the beginning, where it’s 2008 and she finally had to concede – and how hard she worked, once that decision was made, to craft her message to her supporters to keep them enthused and engaged, and to get them solidly behind Obama. And she worked hard for him afterwards. Did Bernie do the same? Did he give a statement for her like the one she gave for Obama?

      “The way to continue our fight now, to accomplish the goals for which we stand is to take our energy, our passion, our strength, and do all we can to help elect Barack Obama, the next president of the United States. Today, as I suspend my campaign, I congratulate him on the victory he has won and the extraordinary race he has run. I endorse him and throw my full support behind him.”

      Because it worked. I was for her in the 2008 primary, but I went full-head-on steam for Obama after.

      • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

        I was full steam for Bernie in 2016. Helped start Georgia for Sanders in 2015. Voted for him in the primary and then I voted for Hillary in the general.
        What I can’t stand is the DNCC and I’ve laid out my many reasons over and over again. And that is have always been and why I stay an Independent.

  • Jeffery Campbell

    Well, thank you very much for reminding me that Maureen Dowd still prowls this earth! There is not enough rose in this house to blot that virago out of my mind.

  • ltmcdies

    Somewhere below somebody was sneering about what kind attacks Bernie could get .. well starting to see whiffs of what might come already

    https://panampost.com/david-unsworth/2017/07/31/nicolas-maduro-bernie-sanders-poison-fruit-of-the-same-tree/

    Listen up, Berners. The RW doesn’t start their character assassination the year of the election It’s little steady drips Real and made up

    This is kind a what TYT types were trying with Kamala Harris only the GOP is actually good at it

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      Maduro looks less creepy.

    • Bongstar420

      I don’t care which person “wins”

      I only care to see losers with more money then they should have like trumpski being put in their proper place.

    • tza

      Plus it’s like they’re ignoring the amount of antisemitism in the air. Like, they think those people would have voted for a Jew, after seeing how much they hate the rest of us Jews?

  • rocktonsam

    “President trumps book review in 5.4.3… best journalism I’ve ever seen, nothing fake here!” Strong a real winner.

  • ryp

    Hearing the audio excerpts was a reminder of why slow-witted voters who hear but don’t listen ended up preferring Trump. Hillary sounds like a cross between Siri and a third rate actress all too pleased at herself for remembering her lines. She manages to kill what emotional impact there might have been in her words. Meanwhile Trump may have sounded like a 3rd grader with ADD, and if you were paying any attention he was lying so much that half the time he wouldn’t even complete one before tripping over it on the next. But he sounded passionate about his lies, even joyful in resentments. For voters who feel like asking them to clarify their opinions is a trick question meant to make them feel stupid, Trump sounded like one of them. Sure, Obama could sound like a smarty-pants, but an inspirational smarty-pants. Hillary was Al Gore in a pants suit.

    • Bongstar420

      I wouldn’t know. I just looked at their policy platforms. Trumpski’s policies clearly benefit the rich and hurt the not rich where as Clinton was a slight roll back from the current favor the rich program.

      Voting for all the stuff not to do with the policy platform is plain retarded. Too bad most people should be considered retarded.

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      Oh shut up. She articulated her plan beautifully. He dumbed his shit down to the lowest common denominator. Her only fault was giving too much credit to the intelligence of voters. Quit blaming her for being articulate and intelligent.

      • redblack

        i didn’t take it that way at all.

        as i read it, ryp was talking about voters and their incomprehensible whims, and not the candidates.

        • H0mer0

          [I meant to up vote the articulate and intelligent, not the ‘shaddup’]

        • Cpt_Justice

          i think the terms with which he described her were eloquent enough.

    • redblack

      you had me until “in a pants suit.”

      • ryp

        Eh, my wife who usually gives me the stink eye if dare suggest that just maybe HRC didn’t walk on water actually laughed at the line, but maybe it’s still “too soon”.

        • redblack

          heh. i just don’t think HRC’s gender or attire are relevant criticisms.

        • redblack

          gotta amend that, though, if i’m going to be intellectually honest:

          trump is a sloppy fat fuck who wears english stripes.

          ;)

      • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time
    • jesterpunk
    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      Your concerns are duly noted.

      • persistently_resistant_gayby

        ** shredded

    • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

      Your opinion is duly noted.

    • everstar

      Al Gore was not boring, gods damn it. The media decided he was boring.

      • jesterpunk

        Even if Al Gore or Hillary where boring it wasn’t a vote for American Idiot, it was for the President. You generally want a President who can understand whats going on and use the information they get to make decisions.

        • everstar

          I know! As I wrote at first, “we’re not voting for ‘America’s Funniest Nominee.'” It really worries me that entertainment value seems to count for more in a nominee than substance.

          • ahughes798

            Yeah, I don’t really care, anymore, about how “personable” a candidate is. I have a simple requirement. Is this person smarter than I am? I’m not a Mensa member, or anything approaching that. It shouldn’t be that hard to be smarter than me, but the current and last Republican presidents, and the people who voted for them, show that it must be very hard to be smarter than me. Every Wonker who comments here is now duly qualified to be POTUS. Won’t one of you try? Please? S.O.S.

        • ryp

          That’s what you and I and most thinking people want, but unfortunately all too many people either need to be “inspired” or at least a candidate “who speaks to them” – never mind if he actually has anything intelligent to say. And then there are those who just want to be entertained by their president.

          • everstar

            That’s what frustrates me: how do we push back against the “circuses and more circuses” group? At this rate we’re going to need nominees to be represented by stand-up comedians, who will translate the platforms into a five-minute set.

          • ryp

            There’s long been an element of that. Ever since the advent of radio the candidate with the bigger personality tends to win more often than not. Probably 85-90% of the electorate knows how they are going to vote for before the candidates are actually chosen, it will be based on party. The rest will or won’t show up depending on how motivated they are, or won’t pick until they’ve been persuaded they “like” one candidate more than the other. Both motivation and likability are tied more to personalities than positions and policy.

          • Helene Logan

            Sadly so true. UGH

          • Pisto75666

            The same people bitching about Hilary not being “likable” enough? More than likely the same people who can picture having a coffee or beer with Palin and Dubya

        • ahughes798

          OT: Green Day is playing at Wrigley Field tonight, speaking of American Idiot.

    • Mike Steele

      And, like Al Gore, she won – but we got someone else. Hmmmmm…

    • Helene Logan

      Al Gore was a great candidate, and I am sick to death of beating up the smart candidates for BEING SMART. The job at stake isn’t for some game show on UPN, and I don’t care if she or Gore acted ‘uppity’ when they were presenting facts. Not bitching at you directly, I’m just tired of the anti-intellectualism and praise for the incurious that surrounds every campaign.
      Could she have been the warmer Hilz? Of course. But I fail to see how acting like a grown up, while your opponent is acting like a 5 year old who pooped his pantaloons was a bad decision on her part. As was pointed out many times, she was the most qualified person (in terms of previous employment) to ever run for the office.
      None of her dispassion should have made anyone think Jill Stein or The Libertarian Clown of the Moment were better options. And Bernie had endorsed her. We are truly terrible at supporting our own sometimes, resulting in this.

  • Exactly! Exactly, Clinton! She has to make nice while a man is being his usual dickish self… just because he can. The debate moderators didn’t step in. The audience didn’t visibly respond. Clinton felt constrained in her reaction. No body did nothing to stop greatest pick in human history from behaving like a prick and then we rewarded him for it! Talk about rape culture.

    It wasn’t until after the fact that people were saying, Gee that was weird. Did you think that was weird? Okay, maybe it wasn’t that weird. But it was a little weird, right? And then people were like, Oh, yah, that shit happens to me all the time. And then other people were like, Really? People follow you around like that? And then they said, No, not people, just men. And yes, men can behave in really creepy ways. Sometimes I take the stairs rather than be alone with a certain man on an elevator. And then the other person would say, Hunh. It didn’t look so bad to me. Maybe we’re all just over-reacting. What about her emails, though?

    Who was the man and who was the woman in that dialogue? When we look at that situation and go, what the fuck is wrong with him? Why is he creeping on her like that? Let’s get him to stop. And I mean, collectively as cultural consensus not individually, then we will have taken our culture back from rapists.

  • Bongstar420

    Would she be writing this book if profiting were illegal?

    I mean, her being such an outstanding public servant and all…just like trumpski

  • 3FingerPete

    First, Hillary should have reminded Trump they were at a debate, not a beauty pageant. You don’t get to creep on women at a debate.

    Second, the meddling kids on Fox&friends discussed this topic this morning. They seemed baffled because the one still frame from the debate they displayed on screen showed Trump all the way across the stage from Clinton. So how could Trump have been following her in all the other video frames taken of the debate?

    • Bongstar420

      You forgot. The rich get to define proper conduct and fire us poors for not abiding.

      If the smarts ruled the world by law (trumpski couldn’t legally be president due to insufficient IQ), would douchey behavior like that be tolerated at all?

    • everstar

      If she had said something to Trump about his behavior, I will make a Toby Ziegler Wager* that she would’ve gotten excoriated in the media for overreacting.

      (* All the money in my pocket against all the money in yours.)

    • guest

      She was dammed is she said anything dammed if she didn’t. She did the best she could with the situation. The fault lies with the moderator who should have told Trump to remain at the podium and allow the candidate her space.

  • amrak63

    I see “Alfred E. Russkietroll” showed up again.

    I blocked him several days ago.

    Je ne regrette rien.

  • Sharon Cooper

    Personally, if I was Clinton, I’d go lie on a beach somewhere, drink something fruity and alcoholic, and shoot a middle finger towards the idiots who think she owes us ANYTHING now, but I might just still be annoyed at people who keep whining about St. Bernie every time Hillary’s name comes up.

    • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

      “People who keep whining about St. Bernie every time Hillary’s name comes up” are a waste of space.

  • blaid droog

    I’ll pass on the book. I was over the clintons so very long ago. I really didn’t forsee the day when I would ever have to hold my nose and vote for one a third time. I’ll keep my $14.99 and put it toward a bottle of Jim Beam.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      yeah, what a shame we had to run a competent, experienced, smart, caring, mother who was as a lawyer, first lady at the state and local level, secretary of state and former senator.

      Damn these shitty candidates!

      • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

        Yeah, if she were looking for jobs like I did, she’d hear the “overqualified” disqualifier all the fucking time. And that when you know that the environment at that employer would be toxic and suck your soul. Any place that is afraid of a person who comes ready to get things done is no place for me.

      • Helene Logan

        BUT HER EEEEEEMAILS
        sigh

      • uniquename72

        As soon as Clinton (and Biden, for that matter) can un-murder a hundred thousand innocent Iraqi women and children that she voted to kill for no reason at all, I’ll consider her a candidate worth voting for.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          you mean the one’s she was lied to about having a good reason to go to war?

          Fuck, you make it sounds as if she voted for genocide.

          • shivaskeeper

            Whatever she did or ever does will be wrong and impure. Purity at all costs. Purity from any angle they can get it from.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            yup – and I see no mention of any desire to ask bush to apologize for his admin bungling the intel, the planning, and execution of the war.

          • shivaskeeper

            They didn’t bungle it. They straight up made it up. That was on purpose.

          • everstar

            To be fair, if we were going to ask the person responsible for bungling that war for an apology, we’d have to ask Cheney.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            who says there’s just one person!

            I’d line them all up, each with a microphone, and give them 15 seconds each to apologize in a way that convinces us not to exile them someplace unpleasant.

          • everstar

            I would watch that season of Survivor, I won’t lie.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            i had a comment earlier where I suggested putting all congressional republicans on a barge and let them live their utopian, regulation-free galt existence on it.

            Someone else said what you just said.

          • Pisto75666

            Well he’s a man. That’s different! /s

        • shivaskeeper

          What insights to the cooked intel did you have than that Congress didn’t have and what did you do to ensure those insights were heard? Whatever it was you failed as we still went to war over bullshit intel. Bullshit that wasn’t found to be bullshit until much later.

        • sgt. jmk of the résistance

          As soon as one of you delightful purists acknowledges that she takes the stance she takes on intervention at least partly because she lives with a man who is haunted by his inability to overcome politics to respond to an actual genocide, I’ll consider you worth listening to.

        • Cpt_Justice

          As soon as you stop lying, we’ll consider your opinion worth listening ton.

    • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

      all that, and shit whiskey, too?…what a life

      • blaid droog

        Apparently you have never tasted Jim Beam. Huffpo had a bourbon taste test a year or so ago. Jim won hands down. Of course I know u were merely expressing ur disdain for my comment. I voted for that self entitled bitch because I had no choice. The democratic leaders, a la debbie wassershitz chose her to run.
        Let us thank them for creating the orange monster.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          nah, the primary voters chose her to run…but we’ve been over this.

          • Roadstergal

            If there’s one thing the Bros and the Trumpers can agree on, it’s that my vote shouldn’t count.

        • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

          no, i was mostly expressing my disdain for jim beam…i drink more than my share of whiskey…i’m what one might call a professional whiskey drinker…and jim beam is the dog piss of whiskeys, huffpo or no huffpo

          • blaid droog

            So. UR a self confessed drunken alcoholic. Try some marijuana. Marijuana is good mmmkay.

          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            i’m no more an alcoholic than you are a lazy, paranoid weed-a-holic…or….are you? heeennnggghhhhh?

          • Cpt_Justice

            No more so than you.

    • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

      $18 preordered on Amazon. Done. And I’ll be enjoying a bottle of Le Fin Du Monde.

      • blaid droog

        Le fin dumonde? Isn’t that a brand of tee vee from the 50s?
        Monty Burns; fire up the old le fin dumonde Smithers.
        Smithers; yessir Mr Burns.

        • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

          Very tasty beer. Mr. Burns would not like it because it is very affordable.

          • Toledo Window Box

            I think that means “end of the world”

      • ahughes798

        PBR or you’re not a hipster.

  • Electric Ukulele Land

    I kinda wish she had admonished him at that moment — gently, but sternly “Donald, back off” — just for the expression on his face…

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  • AJ Milne

    ‘Donald, they already had to explain to you why you couldn’t come into my dressing room, way you like to do with teenage girls at beauty pageants… Do we _also_ have to explain personal space?’

  • Mike Steele

    Lady MS: Watched debate #2 stalking with clenched teeth. I’d have let him get right behind me, then spun around and said, “reclaiming my time, mofo…”, or words to that effect. Which is why I’ll never be president.

  • diogenez

    Did anyone else wonder why Hillary didn’t just tell him to BACK THE FUCK OFF? She may well have won over a few voters who instead stayed home on election day.

    • Rita D. Lipshutz

      every woman knows why she couldn’t do that because we live the damned if you do, damned if you don’t bullshit every day, especially in pubic life. read the post again, every time she showed emotion and acted like a real human being she got just as much negative press as when she did the opposite. thnx for the mansplaining and 20/20 hindsight, it’s not like hillary and her female supporters ever get enough of that.

      • uniquename72

        Clinton’s female supporters voted to nominate a historically unpopular candidate, handing Trump the win.

        Thanks for woman-splaining us all the way to a Trump presidency.

        • Won the popular vote, won more actual votes than any white president in history, voted most admired woman a record-breaking 20 times, had the highest popularity of any politician in the country other than Obama when she ended her run as SoS, won the primary by around 4 million votes, etc, etc. Your argument is invalid.

          Recent data shows that Bernie assholes gave us Trump by switching to Trump in the general, and that Bernie-to-Trump voters were mostly motivated by race. Clinton told white people to examine their privilege and they couldn’t deal. Racist Bros gave us Trump (and only barely, at that. A large football stadium worth of votes spread across three states and we’d have had a different outcome.) But thanks for making it clear that you don’t think women’s and POC’s votes should count. Blocking now.

        • shivaskeeper

          So who should they have chosen instead? Name names. Don’t be coy about it FFS. Which one of the candidates who didn’t or wouldn’t run or lost the primary should have been selected instead?

          It’s pretty obvious by your comment that no male supporters should take any of the blame, which is kind of telling in and of itself. It’s supports up the “damned if you do damned if you don’t” problem that you claim is woman-splaining the situation.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          actually DEMOCRATS voted to nominate here – and however “historically unpopular” she may or may not have been, she beat all comers and Trump in the popular vote.

        • Toledo Window Box

          Trump lost by 3 million votes.

        • Cpt_Justice

          Misogynistic morons refused to vote for one of the most qualified candidates in American history because she was a woman, thereby giving us Donald Trump.

          Thanks for confessing to being a sexist liar.

        • Rita D. Lipshutz

          unpopular candidates don’t win by over 2 million votes

        • Rita D. Lipshutz

          because disagreeing with you on a comment thread is exactly like trump ruining the country by going for ratings and shows that i have as much power as he does. i fail to see how i brought us trump when i voted for HRC and worked full time for her campaign for free. fragile male egos, they’re not just for righties any more. who’d you vote for? bernie, the trump of the left, or the even less viable jill stein?

      • diogenez

        I merely asked a question, so please – enough with the offensive, sexist, and dismissive “mansplaining” bullshit. Not all men are sexist and hasty generalizations like “mansplaining” are examples of lazy intellects.

        • Rita D. Lipshutz

          i didn’t say all men are. i said you are. and by the number of Likes my comment got i’d say lots of people agree. i’d be willing to bet some of them are men.

          • diogenez

            Aren’t you precious? Donald Trump obsesses about his ratings, too, sweety.

            So, I’m a sexist for asking a simple question? I didn’t even assert anything, despite your idiotic claim that I have tried to explain anything.

          • Rita D. Lipshutz

            you are boring, please drop it. i thought you were younger than you are so i was willing to forgive and forget. now that i know you’re 55 you are old enough to know better

          • diogenez

            So, here are some suggestions for you Rita:

            Hang our here in Hillary love-fest land, smugly congratulating yourself on Clinton’s winning the popular vote, and gratuitously insulting complete strangers who actually voted for Clinton (that’s me, you imbecile). Incidentally, these circular firing squads only work to benefit the right-wing kooks who are ruining our country.

            Go spew your vile and insulting bitchiness at some people who actually voted for Trump and yet somehow still support that train wreck.

            Perhaps most productively, work to imagine why such a huge number of people didn’t vote at all (http://brilliantmaps.com/did-not-vote/), and work to support appealing candidates who clearly support Progressive causes, and who might rid our country of the terrible stain of Trumpism and the GOP majorities in the Congress.

            In my 55 years, you are the first person to have ever called me sexist, but because you’ve insulted me without even knowing me, I can’t take such a charge very seriously. I am, however, done talking with you.

          • Rita D. Lipshutz
          • Rita D. Lipshutz

            guess i hit a nerve, sorry not sorry. how long have you lived as a woman? i’ve done it for 62 years. get back to me when you’ve walked amile in my pumps about what is or isn’t sexist. do you also tell POC what is or isn’t racist. and if i called that whitesplaining would that be another mark of intellectual laziness, per the rules for radicals you made up in your head? and i sure as shit hope you meant it when you said you’re done talking to me but i doubt it. people like you can never let anyone else get the last word. and as far as insulting people you don’t know, maybe you should practice what you preach

          • diogenez

            Oh, Rita. I posed a speculative question, which you took for an assertion and proceeded to then make assumptions about my character – something you appear to still be doing. Here’s the importance difference between a question and an assertion: I asked something, but didn’t claim anything. You have no rational basis for calling ME sexist on such an extremely limited basis. Your own assumptions and actions may belie inherent sexism of your own, and your 62 years on this planet have apparently taught you painfully little in terms of tact, insight, or wisdom.

            BTW – I don’t make a habit of telling anyone that they are racist or sexist – at least not until I know them. Forming such judgements in the absence of valid or substantial evidence is plainly irrational.

          • Rita D. Lipshutz

            i knew when you said you were done talking to me it was too good to be true. are you done NOW?

    • Guest Liberal

      Mrs. Clinton explains her conundrum well in the book…

    • Because the press and public would have called her a hysterical woman, accused her of overreacting, and sided with him (“geez, lady, he was just standing there, not touching you or anything. Why are you getting so upset?”) They would have pointed to that moment over and over when talking about how she would handle foreign leaders. It wouldn’t matter that she already had tons of demonstrable experience dealing with foreign leaders, that moment would have been the go-to.

      And – this is important – they would have rehashed that moment again the next time a viable female candidate came to the forefront. The subtle – or not-so-subtle – implication at that point would be not that Hillary overreacted, but that women overreact. (nevermind that it wouldn’t actually have been an overreaction. It would have been spun that way forever.) It would have been used against potential female candidates for who knows how long, and I don’t doubt that Hillary knew it. She knew future female candidates would be judged by her actions, and she felt a responsibility to them not to give misogynists more ammunition.

      So no, no one wonders why. No woman, anyway. We know why.

      • Husband Of Mrs God

        Come to think of it, Donny Jonnie may have been trying to trigger an angry reaction.

        • I have trouble giving him credit for having a grand plan — or even having thought it through in the moment — just because I don’t think he’s that smart. But I think that kind of thing is something of an instinct for men like him. A lifetime of socialization teaches them that women can’t win in these situations. If they do what she did, they can be criticized for being too weak to stand up for themselves, and if they fight back, they can be dismissed as shrill, hysterical bitches. The man wins either way. Guys like Trump know that, even if they don’t actually sit down and think it through, because they’ve seen it work for their entire lives. He probably just figured it was a winning move and didn’t stop to think about why, because it didn’t matter why — it was a winning move no matter what she did.

        • little miss high and mighty

          Tried to vibe her down, sure.
          Just like , he got that tactic from his beauty pagent competitors and his beloved WRASSLERS in the big ring.

      • Mildred Broxon

        Perhaps she should just have kneed him in the groin. She’d still get blamed, but some good would have come of it.

      • ahughes798

        Sucks it has to be that way, though. I kinda know that thought process. I almost never cry in front of people, because everyone knows crying is something “weak, female.” I NEVER cry in front of men, because it’s double triple “weak, female.” It sucks. Trump was definitely trying to intimidate her, and it’s a shame she couldn’t call him out on it.

      • uniquename72

        So she’s more comfortable falling into the victim role than taking a stand? You’ve just argued that women shouldn’t be President.

        Having watched the debate, I think she did extremely well but is now rewriting the history of her loss in order to paint herself as a victim. If there’s one thing we know about playing the victim role it’s that it sells for both Dems and Repubs.

        • Read what I wrote again.

          There is no victim role here. No one, least of all Hillary Clinton, is calling her a victim. What she said was that she wondered what would have happened if she addressed it a different way. What I said was that it doesn’t matter HOW she addressed it, public opinion would have deemed it wrong. Discussing it now, people are bitching that she should have “taken a stand” (as if her whole goddamned campaign wasn’t her taking a stand.) Had she turned around and told him off, the same people bitching that she didn’t take a stand would have called her shrill, hysterical, a bitch, a snowflake who needed a safe space, and so on. How do I know this? Because I’ve been in that kind of position, I’ve responded different ways at different times, and the response is always the same. There’s no way for a woman to be right when a man pulls that kind of power play on a woman because the default position of both the man in question and observers in general is that the man is in the right and the woman handled it badly, no matter which way she chooses to handle it. Every woman experiences this — Hillary’s example was just a particularly high stakes and public example of what we all deal with. In NO WAY is that an argument that women should not be presidents. It’s an argument that men should stop being creepy assholes and society should stop blaming women when men act like creepy fucking assholes.

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            Perfect response. Thank you.

        • blynnbit

          That isn’t what she said.

        • Cpt_Justice

          More like you just proved why so many people voted for Trump: can’t read what’s in front of you & refuse to grasp facts, even when spelled out for you.

  • Guest Liberal
    • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

      Yeeeaaaasssszzz! Preach!

    • javadavis

      (perspective is off on the spine, but a candidate for a coffee table book) those display books don’t all actually open to words, you know. Some are just art.

      • Guest Liberal

        It’s a joke. Please don’t take it too seriously.

  • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

    Just preordered the book. I am going to reread Game Change, read Double Down for the first time and then be prepared emotionally for this book. Because I voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 and I know what he went through as a black man. To hear about this BS from a woman’s perspective as well? I am sure that as a black woman, I am going to feel clobbered.

  • everstar

    I was browsing the used book section at my local Barnes and Noble when I came across a book titled American Evita: Hillary Clinton’s Path to Power. On the back cover, in big black letters, was the quote: “‘I want to run something.’ — Hillary Clinton.” I nearly bought the damn thing just so I could throw it across the room. I would say they should have titled it Lady Macbeth: Hillary Clinton’s History of Monstrous Bitchitude but I’m sure people wouldn’t get the reference.

    (Jesus. “I want to run something” used as a (sourceless) scare quote. Oh no, she’s got aspirations! She wants to be in charge! Burn the witch!)

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      stupid too – as ambition is encouraged and lauded in men. I hate attacking every thing with the word sexism, but it’s totally true here.

      Moreover, who DOESN’T want to run something? (I don’t cause, too much pressure), but most people want to be the boss, or have their own company. It’s why stupid scams make so much money.

      oy vey.

      • everstar

        My brother and I were talking about it afterwards, mostly because we were trying to figure out what exactly made them pick Evita as the parallel. I’m guessing the blonde and the married to the leader of the country was enough. Although maybe Hillary sings too, I don’t know.

        What really irks me is the unspoken suggestion that Hillary wouldn’t have pursued a political career if she hadn’t been married to Bill. What nonsense.

        I may go back to buy that book and throw it across the room after all.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          well, not to belabor the point, but evita had ambition.

          • little miss high and mighty

            And the military and the Intel sevices firmly installed at her beck and call. Hillary had neither AND her own populism got ridiculed as fake in the two shadows Sanders and Trumpoline.

        • javadavis

          Used book section? It would skew readability statistics by one book, but at least it wouldn’t put any pennies into the author’s pockets.

  • Toledo Window Box

    If she’d chosen option B our idiot media would have DESTROYED her.

    • Cpt_Justice

      EXACTLY.

  • thatdamnbob

    To guide one’s responses in relationship (Trump’s lurking and her repressed anger, fingernails digging, squeezing microphone to death) by calculating what the public’s reaction to your behavior will be, in other words, to formulate an idea about how to act and then act according to that idea makes for a mechanical and wooden existence. Scripted behaviors are best left to who does those things best: actors and SNL comedians. One’s unswerving moral center directs response in relationship, and the response will be true and one need not concern oneself with the world’s reaction. Life is always moving, pushing, changing, demanding intelligent and immediate action. Obama, for instance, would not worry about the world’s response to a statement of truth and deep feeling. Calculations are best left to mathematicians.

    You do what you must do and you do it well. *bobdylan

    • H. Etchevers

      Calculation is also for women and other vulnerable people. Because it’s the only way we can survive on our terms. (Get that pun? Ha!)

      • thatdamnbob

        I did get that pun, but only when you brought it to my attention. Thanks for that jolt of fun, and insofar as being vulnerable, it seems that term fits every human being, who only differ in their facades

    • little miss high and mighty

      So true!
      That spontaneous angry clown fake populism (or pup you lie sin) of her esteemed opponent fell into place with which all the psychic room her internal ruminations left all of us.
      National pollitix is not engineering it must reflect some of crumbs down at the bottom of the deplorable basket- you know, just to stay street cred and non beltway innerdsly. Think silent (cautious ) Cal Coolidge with that 1st nation headdress his handlers costumed him with. Or GWH Bush’s prcisely-ironed jeans- now we all know Barb presses no jeans.

    • little miss high and mighty

      Our crappy disqus link thingy gives up no connect
      Takes so much time to scroll and search out my various replies- delay is not cause we are renumerating jusr ’cause we are eagerly scrolling for our come backs, sorry for these elays- Must be a €uro (Gema) thang- like not getting copywrited content …. but I found the exchange and will comment that, again, inclusiveness and normalfolkyness mustneeds be a tool in the quiver for every national politician.
      Only hermetically- insured buble zone candidates can afford looking un barmate ly or exclusionary in any way.
      Hands off NASCAR, mac and cheese and church (temple, cult cove) goers.
      They turn against us on a dime- for the meagerest of slips.
      Some are (sadly) skilled activists hot on our heels.

      • thatdamnbob

        can’t have too much normalfolkyness, for sure

  • sg77

    Right on.

  • Fuck Evan Hurst. Sexist jerkoff.

    • sgt. jmk of the résistance

      What the actual fuck are you talking about?

    • WomanInThePersistence

      And you are basing this on what, exactly?

  • diogenez

    “A few other 2016 election facts for you:

    As a percentage of eligible voters, Clinton received 28.43% (65,845,063) of all votes compared to Trump’s 27.20% (62,980,160) and Did Not Vote’s 44.37% (102,731,399).

    Donald Trump received 2,046,656 more votes than Romney did in 2012, but Hilary Clinton received 70,732 fewer votes than Obama did in 2012.

    Neither Candidate even won a majority of votes cast, Clinton got 48.0% vs Trump’s 45.9%.

    As a percentage of the entire US population (including those too young or other ineligible to vote) Clinton got votes from 20.30% of the population and Trump got votes from 19.41% of people.

    Washington DC is the only area in the country where a majority of all eligible voters (whether they voted or not) voted for Clinton (90% of voters, voted for Clinton on a 55.7% turnout). In the other 6 states listed above, victories were simple pluralities.”

    http://brilliantmaps.com/did-not-vote/

  • Rita D. Lipshutz
  • Xylem

    So, the majority voted “None of the Above”

  • Michael Kurtz

    we know what happened ad nauseum. she was a republican for 30 years with bill with republican policies but calling herself a dem, collected billions with her foundation, rigged a nomination for an election she couldn’t win…and, oh yes, everyone else is to blame. boooohoooo hillary…enjoy your millions & be on your way. p.s. i guess bill shouldn’t have called donald & suggested he run…and you shouldn’t have ‘normalized’ him. oh well.

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