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What if a Taiwanese manufacturer came to you with an offer to bring 3,000 jobs to your state. Sure it’s a company best known for running sweatshops in China where they have to put anti-suicide barriers on the roof because the workers keep jumping to protest horrible working conditions and low wages! But these will be good jobs, paying an average of $54,000 each. And all you have to do is give them somewhere between $270,000 and $1 million in subsidies per job. WHAT A DEAL!!!

Which is how Donald Trump wound up on stage Wednesday with Scott Walker and Paul Ryan announcing construction of a yuuuuge new Foxconn factory in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Ten thousand construction workers will build Foxconn’s ginormous new LCD screen plant. Paul Ryan’s district will get 13,000 new jobs — or maybe just 3,000. Same difference! And Scott Walker is a hero who will now sail to re-election in 2018. Hooray!

MAYBE!!!!

Or, maybe the state will pony up billions of dollars in tax subsidies and find itself with nothing to show for it. That would be less good.

Tim Culpan of Bloomberg Business has been criticizing the boondoggle for months, and published a withering takedown. His spoof letter from Foxconn’s president Terry Gou to Donald Trump is hilarious, and also…informative. Read it!

I am a doer, Mr. Trump. I get things done. When Apple told me to start making iPhones in Brazil to get around import tariffs, I made it happen. It didn’t create much employment, mind you, because I just exported pre-fabricated iPhones for the locals to slot together — kind of like Lego — but it got the job done. And by job, I mean kept Apple’s and Brazil’s leaders happy. And who do you think paid for it? Not me.

If you want iPhones to be made in America, I can make that happen, too. Heck, I can set up a production line in Trump Towers if you like, but the costs will be yuuuge. I have to cover my expenses, which include factories, labor and transport. You see, I don’t manufacture in China just because it’s cheaper, but because thousands of suppliers are there, within spitting distance of my factories and the one million people I employ during peak season.

It’s funny ’cause it’s true!

In keeping with his signature megalomaniac style, Trump got the ball rolling by taking credit for inventing the sphere.

“I would see Terry, and I would say ‘Terry, you have to give us one of these massive places you do great work with,’ ” Trump said Wednesday…

“If I didn’t get elected, he definitely would not be spending $10 billion,” Trump said. “We are going to have some very, very magnificent decades.”

UH HUH.

Color us skeptical on anything cooked up by Trump, Walker and Ryan. In fact, to find their plan remotely credible, you have to accept Four Magical Bullshit Premises. But once you’ve swallowed that, it’s all delicious! So eat up!

Magical Bullshit Premise #1: This factory is actually going to be built!

Foxconn’s president, Terry Gou, has promised to build a 20 million square foot factory in Kenosha. That’s the size of 347 football fields, or three times the size of the Pentagon.

You can see the Pentagon from space. And you can see the Foxconn factory from Kenosha if you have an active fantasy life.

Terry Gou has agreed to kick up $10 billion for construction. Which seems like a lot, until you remember he’s theoretically building a 20 million square foot factory. Besides which, Foxconn has only spent about $9.5 billion on construction in the past five years, and it has already committed to spend an additional $17 billion for construction in India and China. But sure, Scott Walker! They’re definitely going to pony up to build that “Wiscon Valley”! 

Okay, they welched on agreements to build factories in Pennsylvania and Indonesia. But this time they really mean it! Youbetcha!

Magical Bullshit Premise #2: Foxconn will employ 13,000 people when the factory gets up and running!

Foxconn’s Gou is reported to be modeling the plant on Elon Musk’s Tesla facility in California, which has 160 high-tech robots doing much of the work. As Tim Culpan observed in Bloomberg yesterday,

There is potential for the payroll to climb to 13,000 in the future — a figure crucial to Wisconsin justifying the expense — but I wouldn’t bet your 401(k) on it. That’s because if Gou really does dish out $10 billion on this facility, the only way to make it viable is by keeping staffing low and leaning on automation to boost productivity. This LCD factory will be either labor intensive or highly automated. It can’t be both.

Magical Bullshit Premise #3: Apple is going to start making televisions again!

Back in January, Gou told the Nikkei Asian Review that Apple was going to partner with him on a North American plant to make LCD screens. Apple has never confirmed this. But let’s just play along for a second here, and pretend that this giant plant will staff up to capacity and start producing 90,000 sheets of LCD glass per month. As Culpan reported in January, Foxconn’s monthly production would yield “72 million iPhone 7 Plus screens, or more than 868 million annually.” Apple sold about 210 million iPhones in all of 2016, so unless Apple is getting back into the teevee business, they could never possibly absorb Foxconn’s output.

Wisconsin is now claiming the factory will be making glass for big screen televisions and large commercial displays. Too bad those millennials watch everything on their Obamaphones and demand for television panels was down almost 4% last year!

Magical Bullshit Premise #4: Foxconn will be making products for export!

They’re giant sheets of the thinnest glass! They don’t ship! Stop with this foolishness!

If we were a betting man, we’d wager that this thing will quietly fade away just like the Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, plant did. It will be “in the planning stages” through Scott Walker’s 2018 campaign, and then … nothing. But don’t worry, Badgers! State subsidies are tied to production, so Wisconsin will probably only be out a few hundred million by then.

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  • Indiepalin

    Trump and Mich. Gov. Rick Snyder have announced plans to build the largest car factory on earth. The factory will make coal-fired cars and trucks and will include built-in shovels for drivers to move coal from the passenger bin to the furnace. The cars are expected to retail for $350,000 each.

  • schmannity

    Excuse me, what is the second syllable in the company’s name?

    • Oblios_Cap

      And what’s the first?

    • Ricky Gay

      It’s so Murdockian, it’s perfect!!!

    • Latverian Diplomat

      In the original Chinese, Foxconn is totally innocent it just means “terrible boss”.(*)

      (*) This translation may need to be checked by someone who doesn’t lie to set up a joke.

  • Oblios_Cap

    These successful business men need our tax dollars more than the middle and lower classes. This the wealth distribution the GOP can really get behind ideologically.

    Oh, and remember to cut the taxes for those at the top. They work hard at scamming your money from you.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    Wiscon Valley would not be a proper coinage. In the spirit of Silicon Valley, Silicon Forest, Silicon Glen, and Silicon Prairie, I humbly offer up “Silicon Cow Pasture”.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Silicon Cheesehead libel!

      • Latverian Diplomat

        To be fair, Silicon Cow Pasture would still have less bullshit to step in than Silicon Valley.

    • bobbert

      Silicon Dairy Aire

    • Invisible Bunyip

      Silicon Cow Pat.

  • Jgb979

    Bribing companies with millions of taxpayer dollars……..hmm sure looks, smells, and tastes a lot like corporate welfare.

    One might dare call it socialism….

    • georgiaburning

      It’s only socialism if the money goes to somebody who needs it

      • Suttree

        Privatize the profits, socialize the costs is pure capitalism.

      • armed_bears

        Zing!

    • FlownΩver

      Tends a bit toward national socialism, in fact.

  • armed_bears

    Wisconsin: Come Smell Our Dairy Air.

    • Oblios_Cap

      ISWYDT!

  • Jeffocaster in the West

    Fox Conn – the names says it all!

  • Latverian Diplomat

    “Trump and Ryan get a piece of this, but ol’ Mitch don’t get a taste?”
    — Mitch McConnell, this week’s biggest loser

    • Joe Beese

      Only fair to let him wet his beak.

      • Oblios_Cap

        Give him a dress.

  • Anna Rompage

    The burning question for me; Is this factory going to be built with anti suicide safety nets, like they have in China?

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson
  • Joe Beese

    Be honest. How many are you in this thread to suck your own cock?

    • jesuswasablack

      I could if I wanted but I don’t want to!

    • specialcircumstances

      I’m waiting for Evan’s report on whether Jared sucks his own cock. For science…

      • Ghenghis McCann

        “No darling, it’s not a form of self abuse. I’m performing a scientific experiment.”

        • specialcircumstances

          I see you have the best words too

    • armed_bears

      Lower-back issues.

  • Vincent Ricola

    You are stuck in a sinking boat with Ted Cruz, Scott Walker, and zombie Hitler. You can either save one of them or you will all sink. Who lives to suck another day?

    • Jeffocaster in the West

      I would sink with those fuckers to help save the world.

      • Vincent Ricola

        Correct answer.

        • Ghenghis McCann

          Would he have got extra points if he’d said “Grabbed an axe and hacked through the hull, to make the boat sink faster”?

          • Vincent Ricola

            Yes.

      • Oblios_Cap

        I wouldn’t be found dead on a boat with those fucks.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Uh. Save myself?

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter
      • Ghenghis McCann

        He’s hearing the beat of all those explosions going off in his mind.

    • FlownΩver

      Me. I’d build a raft out of the other three. Shut up is how.

  • Nounverb911

    Are there actually in real life 13,000 people in Wisconsin that can pass a drug test?

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      No. Wisconsin got stuck in the 1980s and never could get out.

    • Oblios_Cap

      They don’t drug test. They’ll just forget to put up the suicide netting and then claim everybody was high when they jumped. Claim denied!

    • Me not sure

      Does beer count?

  • Suttree

    So pretty much like that great Carrier deal that saved all of the jobs. And that great ark encounter deal that produced so many jobs. I’m convinced. These assholes can’t even produce a few hundred jobs, much less 13k of them.

    • FlownΩver

      Certain types of jobs, maybe. [I’m looking at you, Steve Bannon!]

  • Michael Smith

    Man, I wish I owned a giant company. People just throw money at you and ask you to be rich near them.

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter
    • Msgr_MΩment

      You wouldn’t have to suck your own cock.

      • Michael Smith

        Well I’m not a common Steve Bannon after all.

      • Riley Whodat Venable

        🚗 fel8

    • Latverian Diplomat

      It helps to have states competing against each other in bidding war…another benefit of Federalism.

      Then add in the WTO and countries bidding against each other…whee!

  • Scooby

    如果你不能读这个,你不能在这里工作

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      That’s furrin!

    • Oblios_Cap

      This ‘Merica! English only!

    • blarg

      Google translate says: “If you can not read this, you can not work here.”

      • Scooby

        H-1B Visa here I come.

    • Mavenmaven

      But if you can read it, why would you want to work there?

      • Scooby

        I’m bringing 12,999 friends with me.

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    Meanwhile, my cousin who works at an actual glass factory that actually exists in Spring Green, WI is worried about getting laid off.

    • armed_bears

      #MAGA!

      • armed_bears

        And here’s an additional New Mexico take to it: I/We own a business. The state offers skills training to get the state’s workforce modernized. It does NOT offer this training to the employed. But if I/we FIRE the current workers, the state will offer to pay new workers. #MAGA! This is absolutely true, and absolutely incredible.

        • armed_bears

          And if a competitor moves into the state, they’ll pay to train my competition! #MAGA!

    • Ghenghis McCann

      Isn’t that the way it works? People get laid off. Gubmint gives company money to “Create Jerbs”. Company rehires laid off workers, on less pay. Everybody happy. (Well, some of them.)

    • Nena

      But Tammy Baldwin is from Spring Green, and their current US Rep is a Democrat, so why would Ryan or Trump care about those jobs?

  • Latverian Diplomat

    “We were just going to give that money to the Brewers, but they said ‘We’re good for now’ so we had to find some other rich assholes to take it.”
    — Scott Walker

  • Bub, the cynical zombie

    Republican logic. Throw billions of tax dollars at rich people, scream bloody murder when a poor person gets food stamps.

    • Christopher Story

      Remember, a lot of these people are “Federalists” and “Constitutional Originalists.” What that means to them is the only true Americans are rich white land owners. Everyone else is 3/5th’s of a person. This is how they still run this country.

  • Oblios_Cap

    Weren’t there any sportsball stadiums that they could have built at the taxpayers’ expense?

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      I really want there to be a Cheesedome.

    • calliecallie

      Scott Walker already pulled that stunt, I think.

      • EvilHRLady

        Yep. Cut $250 million from UW System and gave it to the Bucks.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Badgers? We don’t need no stinking badgers!

  • gene108

    In part, Asia was attractive because the semiskilled workers there were cheaper. But that wasn’t driving Apple. For technology companies, the cost of labor is minimal compared with the expense of buying parts and managing supply chains that bring together components and services from hundreds of companies.

    For Mr. Cook, the focus on Asia “came down to two things,” said one former high-ranking Apple executive. Factories in Asia “can scale up and down faster” and “Asian supply chains have surpassed what’s in the U.S.” The result is that “we can’t compete at this point,” the executive said.

    The impact of such advantages became obvious as soon as Mr. Jobs demanded glass screens in 2007.

    For years, cellphone makers had avoided using glass because it required precision in cutting and grinding that was extremely difficult to achieve. Apple had already selected an American company, Corning Inc., to manufacture large panes of strengthened glass. But figuring out how to cut those panes into millions of iPhone screens required finding an empty cutting plant, hundreds of pieces of glass to use in experiments and an army of midlevel engineers. It would cost a fortune simply to prepare.

    Then a bid for the work arrived from a Chinese factory.

    When an Apple team visited, the Chinese plant’s owners were already constructing a new wing. “This is in case you give us the contract,” the manager said, according to a former Apple executive. The Chinese government had agreed to underwrite costs for numerous industries, and those subsidies had trickled down to the glass-cutting factory. It had a warehouse filled with glass samples available to Apple, free of charge. The owners made engineers available at almost no cost. They had built on-site dormitories so employees would be available 24 hours a day.

    The Chinese plant got the job.

    “The entire supply chain is in China now,” said another former high-ranking Apple executive. “You need a thousand rubber gaskets? That’s the factory next door. You need a million screws? That factory is a block away. You need that screw made a little bit different? It will take three hours.”

    Link NYT

    The Chinese government is aggressively underwriting its manufacturing companies. Apple needs a factory and China needs the jobs, the government just pays for someone to build the factory.

    There’s no way to really compete with that level of state subsidies.

    And I’m not sure government funneling money into companies is a long-term winning strategy, but that’s what we’re competing against.

    • Les Appentis De la résistance

      Plus no environmental reulations.

      • grindstone

        Not sure how China’s OSHA stacks up to ours, either.

        • Rags

          you mean how ours used to be?

  • Jesus H. Tap-Dancing Christ, just give the money to the unemployed directly. Much more efficient.

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      Those takers who are too lazy to pull themselves up by their bootstraps or move to Minnesota where the jobs are.

    • Oblios_Cap

      Too Keynesian.

      • armed_bears

        Too Kenyan.

      • I felt this way about the bank bailout, too. Why not just pay off people’s underwater mortgages directly? The banks get their money, giving them new revenue to fuck people over with, and people now have money freed up to spend. Ta-daa!

        • Oblios_Cap

          It wouldn’t punish the innocent enough. “You fucked up – you trusted us.”

    • OrG

      Nope, free shit only goes to people who don’t need it.

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    “Give me a million dollars and I’ll create a 50 thousand dollar job for you.”

    That proposition would take either the world’s best salesman or the world’s dumbest client.

    • Major_Major_Major

      Ding ding fucking ding

    • FlownΩver

      Guess who claims to be the former but is actually the latter.

  • Mavenmaven

    Terry Gou sure enjoys punkin’ poor Republican areas!

  • MynameisBlarney

    Today in “Bye, Felicia!” News.

    https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029383898

    • WotsAllThisThen

      So she’s single now? And she’s into not-Trump supporters? Oh wait, how did I get that backwards…

      • MynameisBlarney

        Single, not into not-turmp supporters and apparently dumb as a fucking brick.

        • georgiaburning

          Perhaps soon to be spotted around Mar a Lago.

      • Antonin Dvorak

        No, she is leaving her husband because he isn’t a Trump supporter.

        • Latverian Diplomat

          Sounds like an irreconcilable difference to me!

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      The 37-year-old former Miami Dolphins cheerleader and public relations consultant said she is getting a $100,000 settlement, including a new BMW and $40,000 in cash.

      Poor baby.

      • Anna Rompage

        A new BMW? What, did she take her lawsuit to the court of The Price is Right?

      • MynameisBlarney

        I’m sure the ex-husband thought that was well worth it.

        • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

          He’s like. “Welp, that was easy just throw some shiny at her and she’ll grab.”

          • MynameisBlarney

            Speakin’ o’ dumbass turmp supporters.
            One our customers came to pick up a generator we repaired and he had a “Deplorables for Trump 2016” sticker on the tailgate.

            I chuckled and he kinda looked at me funny as I watched him and his kid load up the generator.

        • Beanz&Berryz

          As my dear sweet mother would say during my divorce: “why is divorce so expensive? Because it’s worth it.”

      • Ghenghis McCann

        This sounds familiar, did she get that BMW and the cash for working for Google for just a few hours a day? (Lori, we miss you.)

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      She’ll fit right in at the Eyes Wide Shut parties the Republicans hold once a month.

    • I wont date or knowingly flirt with Trump supporters.

      • Suttree

        Exactly. What did he think was going to happen? She would grow out of it?

        • Beanz&Berryz

          She’s cute. He wasn’t thinking that far.

          • Suttree

            I’ve dated republicans before. It doesn’t matter how cute they are, you don’t fucking marry them!

      • MynameisBlarney

        I won’t date or knowingly flirt with republicans in general.
        And I hiss and make the sign on the cross when I’m in the vicinity of turmp supporters and yell “GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN!”

    • Lance Thrustwell

      I would say he’s better off, but… wait, there is no “but”.

      • Rags

        You haven’t seen the picture?

    • Beanz&Berryz

      She seems nice.

    • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

      Someone wants Melania’s position (And she’d probably get it.)

    • Christopher Story

      I’m guessing she’s a “Family Values” Christian Conservative Republican

  • WotsAllThisThen

    I’m picturing thousands of excited Trump fans lining up for these new jobs, or asking where they should line up, or asking who they should ask, or asking their friends if anyone’s heard anything about these new jobs.

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    If the Carrier deal taught us anything, it’s that telling Trump and the nearest GOP governor whatever bullshit they want to hear, then doing what you were going to do anyway, is very lucrative — plus you get free advertising from the White House!

    • therblig

      unfortunately, We didn’t need to be taught and those that did will never learn.

  • MynameisBlarney
    • Everrett Fanuelli

      It’s full of stars!

      • Ghenghis McCann

        Several upfists for the green screen reference.

      • OutOfOrbit

        I’m sorry, Dave.

    • Oblios_Cap

      Especially pool table green.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      To be fair, her Moire pattern inducing striped jacket was at the cleaners.

      • Everrett Fanuelli

        Cockeyed eyeball corner pocket!

  • Latverian Diplomat

    Foxconn announces that new factory will make glass, gas, or ass, but they won’t build it for free.

  • Susan Szews

    If they build this imaginary plant, it will be bigger than Kenosha. Almost literally. So that will be interesting.

    Also, ugh, that clusterfu** of I-94 between Chicago and Milwaukee is already bad.

    Oh wait, this isn’t going to happen, so nevermind! What am I thinking?

  • Joe Beese

    One result of this is that there’s about a trillion more in revenues serving as the baseline in the budget than if their original repeal plan had worked, and that means that the Republican will need to find a trillion more dollars in savings in order to enact the tax reform they want. They’re not taking away your home mortgage deduction or jacking up your capital gains tax rate, and stealing your local and state tax deduction won’t come close to paying for it. If they’re going to do tax reform now with 51 votes, they’re going to have let those cuts sunset after ten years because otherwise it won’t meet the requirements of the budget reconciliation process. For the Democrats, this was like killing two birds with one stone.

    The Republicans have also demonstrated that their go-it-alone plan to ram home their agenda without any compromises or Democratic input is a dead end. And they fouled the bed in the process, making it exceedingly hard for them to come to the Democrats with any credibility or good will. McConnell had the risible effrontery last night to blame the Democrats for not helping him and not contributing their ideas after he precluded them from doing either. He’ll be back making the same case on the budget and the debt ceiling and the appropriations, and he won’t be any more convincing in those instances.

    If Trump wants these things done, and if he wants tax reform or an infrastructure bill, he’ll need to get down on his knees and beg the Democrats for forgiveness and help. But his first reaction is to threaten to sabotage the entire U.S. health care system.

    You can predict how that will go for him.

    http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2017/7/28/1093/75002

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      The only tax reform I want to see is equitable tax on unearned income the home mortgage deduction shifted to reparations for African Americans descended from slaves, and student loan forgiveness.

    • Elendira

      Turtle: Where are your ideas about Healthcare, Democrats, Huh?!

      Democrats: its called Obamacare and we passed it into law already and it seems really popular when you refer to it as the ACA. Although most of us prefer a single payer system like the rest of the modern world has but we are working on that in the future.

  • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

    Completely OT, but I just saw this, and it’s a major bummer for me.

    http://media.cagle.com/16/2017/07/27/198463_600.jpg

    • MynameisBlarney
    • Christopher Story
    • Beautiful!

      I just learned something about Foray. She of course probably did thousands of bits of uncredited voice overs and dubs for kid actors, sometimes single words or sentences for clarification.

      One of her uncredited roles was the voice of Michael Brody in JAWS…that’s Foray complaining “The pond’s for old ladies.”

      • Tinacnelson

        Google is paying 97$ per hour! Work for few hours and have longer with friends & family! !aw330d:
        On tuesday I got a great new Land Rover Range Rover from having earned $8752 this last four weeks.. Its the most-financialy rewarding I’ve had.. It sounds unbelievable but you wont forgive yourself if you don’t check it
        !aw330d:
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    • Aw fucking goddammit!!

      So many of the old voice people are gone, made so many wonderful characters.

    • calliecallie

      When I first saw this I thought it was a caption contest related to Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins. I have been watching too much news.

      RIP June.

      Also too, Rocky was a girl? Although in hindsight, that actually makes sense.

      • FlownΩver

        Well, let’s just say Rocky may soon become ineligible for the uniformed services. Or maybe not.

  • BloviateMe

    Hey, remember that one time that turtley fellar wanted to take away Obamacare, but he couldn’t and he was so sad and so mad?

    That was awesome.

    • OrG

      Good times.

    • Oblios_Cap

      I particularly liked the “Go fuck yourself” look that the cranky old man shot at the turtle feller after he gave the thumbs down.

  • Les Appentis De la résistance

    Foxconn doesn’t make the display glass. They source it from Corning

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “Wisconsin is right next to Iowa Corn Country, so that works. Synergy! Winning!”
      — Donald Trump

    • h4rr4r

      Which is shipped to China to be polished, even when it is used in items made in the USA.

  • Trump capitalism rule #1:

    Get the public to finance the project and if it makes a profit keep the money. If the project loses money the taxpayers take the loss.

    Private gain, social loss is also his mantra for his $1 Trillion Dollar “infrastructure” plan.

    This trio should be called, “The Stupid, The Ignorant, and The Ugly”.

  • Me not sure

    Back during Sonny Perdue’s governorship Mercedes-Benz promised that with just the right incentives they would build a large plant near Savannah, GA to build commercial vans for the US market. The state spent huge money buying and prepping a site, running utilities , and even putting in a new interchange on I-16, only to have M-B back out at the last minute and eventually move the plant to a site near arch rival port city Charleston SC. Meanwhile Ford and GM were seeking incentives to keep plants open in GA but the state wouldn’t deal with them because they would have been UAW plants.

    • Similar story here in NC with the Dell Computer deal in the Winston-Salem/Greensboro area.

      • Me not sure

        Race to the bottom!

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      We never here of these stories here… mostly because our manufacturing base is homegrown.

      • Me not sure

        States paying for employment is the modern day equivalent of involuntary servitude. It’s just socialised.

  • Pinkham’s Law

    “somewhere between $270,000 and $1 million in subsidies per job.”

    Loo, I get the argument that giving companies’ tax breaks to locate in an area has benefits – encourages suppliers to relocate, employees spend money locally, etc, etc – but isn’t this getting just a bit carried away?

  • Latverian Diplomat

    This just in: Foxconn/Trump relationship sours over revelation that LCD screens are not made from coal.

    • Steve Cole

      Snark of the day nominee

  • Everrett Fanuelli

    Best analysis about how corporations and government fuck people over with the idea of bringing jobs back to states.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrectdcH81U

  • h4rr4r

    “They’re giant sheets of the thinnest glass! They don’t ship! Stop with this foolishness!”

    Uh my LG TV was made in Worst Korea, how did it get here?

    Don’t get me wrong, this is bullshit, but you can totally ship glass.
    Corning glass ships phone and tablet display glass to China for polishing. Some of that same glass is shipped back here and used in products made in the USA.

    • TJ Barke

      Making a product that can’t ship isn’t a great idea in a global capitalist market…

      • h4rr4r

        Corning Glass ships display glass to China for polishing every day. The same glass is then shipped back to the USA and used in products made not 20 miles from me.

      • Ghenghis McCann

        Are you sure? There’s a lot of GoFundMe projects that are planning to do that and then cash out.

    • Blackest Noobs

      Worst Korea?

      • h4rr4r

        The opposite of Best Korea.

        • efoveks

          LOL! I am so stealing that.

        • Blackest Noobs

          you mean North Korea…the bestest Korea there is.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      I’m not sure, but I think the point was that raw material glass sheets are different from finished products with stacked sheets and other things. But. You’re extrapolation from TVs to glass shows a remarkable depth of technical misunderstanding.

      • h4rr4r

        Corning ships glass for smartphones and tablets to china to be polished. Similar much larger panes are used for all kinds of displays. They undergo the same shipment.

        Your ad hominem about a product and process you have no understanding about sure does say something.

        • Oblios_Cap

          Now, now. Comity!

          • h4rr4r

            I will be courteous to those who can manage the same. Clearly our mutual friend lacks that skill set.

          • Oblios_Cap

            I got no dog in this fight. Carry on.

        • Beanz&Berryz

          Ow. And. Might there be a difference between a 7″ diagonal sheet of thin glass a 70″ one? Explain how smart phone-size thin glass is now the same as TV sheet-size glass. Because you are smart.

          • h4rr4r

            Read my comment again, slowly. I attempted to avoid any large words, try sounding them out it might help.

            Much larger sheets undergo the same shipping and processing. Shipping large sheets of high value glass is common. Do you think they make the sheets of glass next to the LCD fab?

          • Beanz&Berryz

            Oh. I see some glass can ship in rolls that would solve the shipping problem. And, in your comments, you mixed a finished product tv from Korea with small/size glass blanks. You’ve not yet supported your point that large sheet bare glass is shipped. But I did that for you. Thanks for clearing that up.

          • Snarkbot 9000

            I am aware of one case of exactly this…it actually has more to do with power costs than anything else. Years ago I worked with a person who had left a glass plant that had been sold to St Gobain. The plant produced raw sheet glass which was loaded on 40′ high cubes and shipped to Belgium if memory serves…it was apparently less expensive to produce and ship to Belgium for secondary operations even with the scrap they had to deal with in doing so than to fire an arc furnace at the site of the plant receiving the shipments given the electric rate differences exclusively.

            Also, you come across like a dick based on your nasty little exchange here. Irrational pompous arrogance is never a good look.

          • efoveks

            Once assembled, the glass in a TV is going to be stabilized. Also, glass is shipped all over the world.

        • Phoenixdoglover

          Corning makes display glass in locations worldwide, but primarily in plants close to the assembly operation.

          The US plant, in Kentucky, makes Gorilla Glass, which is not an integrated part of the fused display, but a protective cover. Most Gorilla Glass is now manufactured overseas. The plant in KY does ship overseas, but is also a production development location. Most Corning display glass is made in Taiwan, Japan, Korea (Samsung affiliate) and China, close to the assembly factories.

          So, yeah, possible to ship display glass, but economics and many other concerns argue against long shipping routes, as usual.

          Nice article here about KY plant
          http://www.kentucky.com/news/business/article44168604.html

          • h4rr4r

            Indeed, it is expensive and used for a limited number of products, but it can be done. There is a huge gulf between impossible and expensive.

            There are definitely some phones where the gorilla glass is bonded to the display. Think three layer designs.

            From your article:
            “From sand and other raw materials to the finished 5-by-6-foot sheets that are shipped across the Pacific Ocean”

            Now I am no math major but a right triangle 60″x72″ has a hypotenuse, what would be the diagonal measure on a television, of 93.72″. That would be a bigass TV if they were going to use it for that.

          • FlownΩver

            MOM!!! They’re fighting again! Make them stop!

    • Fivedollarfeminist

      I guess I could have been more clear. You can ship a television, but the unfinished sheets are very fragile. In China, the entire supply chain is concentrated in Guangzhou or wherever. You can get all the components and assemble on-site. They don’t have access to the whole supply chain in WI, or the flexibility that exists from lots of small factories that have cheap, flexible labor. Which is longwinded and not as funny. But thanks for keeping me honest! 🙂

      • h4rr4r

        You can ship unfinished glass as well.

        Corning ships the glass for smartphones and tablets as an example. Larger sheets are shipped as well. For medical monitors as another example. Yes it is more expensive and reserved for more premium products.

        If you want to be honest, you might want to update your article to include that fact that Foxconn employees had a lower suicide rate than any of the 50 states or the general Chinese population.

      • h4rr4r

        The flexibility is again to push costs down, for a small per unit increase that can be dismissed. This is why for example you can fix electronics stateside for reasonable prices. The parts ship from your nice City of Industry PRC to Bumblefuck USA after being bought on Ebay.

        If we wanted to produce these items in the USA we could , so long as everyone accepted the reality that they would cost a small amount more and unit production would have to be smoothed out instead of so highly seasonal.

        • Snarkbot 9000

          Oh jeez you are gonna get me started now. I can’t resist nerding out on manufacturing discussions.

          The solution to the production leveling issues already exists – the heijunka box and kanban. One piece flow pegged to pull modulated takt time works quite well for even complex assemblies with internal and external dependency elements involved. It does require some pretty extreme discipline and stellar supplier relationships to keep things moving, but with enough leverage in volume, most suppliers will bend over backwards to meet standards.

  • MynameisBlarney

    ‘Durmp’s unpresidency effectively over”

    http://thehill.com/homenews/media/344281-ex-cruz-communications-director-trump-presidency-is-effectively-over

    I ain’t gonna hold my breath, but I fuckin’ hope so.

    • OutOfOrbit

      well considering the source

    • TJ Barke

      Donnie failed to realize that republicans don’t like to be told what to do… Which is the only thing he knows how to do.

    • FlownΩver

      Love to have him in office through ’18 at least. Republicans in Congress will have to wear him like a glove. A smelly, putrid orange glove.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    OT but N. Korea just fired a missile that landed within 200 miles of the coast of Japan.

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      Shhh. Rex is trying to take a nap.

      • Lance Thrustwell

        It’s really scary that basically, no matter how bad Trump gets, we seem to have the second craziest leader in the developed world.

        • Steve Cole

          It’s not a contest.

        • Everrett Fanuelli

          Let’s say 1A and 1B

    • Oblios_Cap

      Hmmm. What timing.

    • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

      Stop trolling our unhinged president, N. Korea!

    • h4rr4r

      They sure hate fish.

      • Oblios_Cap

        Those bastards keep pissing and shitting in the water.

      • The Wanderer

        Oh, yah hey, that’s gonna put the crappies down, yanno.

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    Pentagon: N. Korea launches missile that may have landed in Japan.

    Uh oh.

    • RobKanC

      hypothetically or did it actually hit japan?

    • BigCSouthside

      They are trying to provoke a response from trump. Popping off a missile after the healthcare failboat is not coincidence

  • ez

    Just the name FoxCon is scary…

    • h4rr4r

      Which is why they named it Foxconn. Much better.

  • Hemp Dogbane

    Re: “It would be cheaper to buy an iPhone for everybody.” Didn’t Obama already do that?

    • Phoenixdoglover

      That was no iPhone, that was a fuckin Obamaphone, piece o’ shit. I turned mine in at the bodega, and got a pack o’ Kools and bic lighter.

      • nightmoth

        Which was actually a “Bushphone” because George W. started that program in a fit of generosity.

  • Oblios_Cap
    • Vincent Ricola

      I’m positive this will go over brilliantly with Paul Ryan and his house clownfucks caucus.

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      Trump is effectively purging all the “minders” of the Republican establishment from his administration.

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      I thought firing people was his whole shtick. He’s pretty slow to drop the blade. He reminds me of a guy I used to work with. He never wanted to fire anyone, and he was MBA-smart, so he would come up with increasingly ridiculous schemes to cause them to quit. Of course, the schemes never worked, and the people stuck around until they had to be fired (by someone else.)

      • efoveks

        Passive-aggressive cowardice. It’s a common tactic in retail. :(

    • Dudleydidwrong

      How could you be “done with” somebody but not fire him? Or are we talking about cooking and eating here, something like roasted Rince Prepuce with catsup.

  • FoxConn has a history of making wild promises and not delivering on them. This will never get built.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “I don’t believe we should hold a long history of exaggeration and deceit against any company…or member of my family.”
      — Donald Trump

  • Phoenixdoglover

    Drumpf : Bullshit

    A simple, unbreakable relationship.

  • OutOfOrbit

    Yuh gotta know there was a reason why they picked Wisconsin, and yuh know whut that reason iz…and if you donut now, you must live there

  • lucidamente

    Maybe they can hire the laid off Carrier workers.

  • Joe Beese
    • Blackest Noobs

      you know Trump might have had something there….like making the Democrats sweat it out on the failing ACA if only he had not OPEN HIS BIG FAT TWEETING MOUTH.

      sorry Donnie they certainly wouldn’t come running to you to make a deal and they definitely won’t now since you’re too fucking stupid to keep your mouth shut about your nefarious plans…..Deal Maker? you? Yeah, right.

  • BigCSouthside

    What I liked about this is after carrier, most of the media was like, “yeah…whatever dude”

  • Maybe if they made the giant factory look like a giant Ark. Or at least a giant robot. A giant robot visible from space would be cool.

    • Oblios_Cap

      Maybe it could breathe fire, too!

      • Giant googly eyes, with flame! Staring demonically out into space. That will scare off the Kree when they come.

  • BPMM

    What is sad is that when this whole deal falls through and is never realized, most of the low information Trump supporters will still point out how many jobs he created with the Foxconn plant as an example.

    • Thurman Munster IV

      Just like the tremendous Carrier deal in Indiana.

  • Proud Liberal

    I wonder how much of a kickback Walker gets?

    • Oblios_Cap

      A glass eye that looks like it focuses?

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      Enough to finally afford surgery to fix his fucked up Deliverance hillbilly eyes

      • Proud Liberal

        Yeah, but nothing can fix his personality, or lack thereof.

  • WiscoJoe

    20 million square feet near Kenosha… that’s going to require:

    A). A fuckton of private Wisconsin land seized by eminent domain on behalf of a foreign corporation
    B). A fuckton of farms (and farming jobs) lost
    C). Massive destruction of important wetland and natural areas that keep Southeastern Wisconsin from flooding and bring in a lot of wealthy tourists from the Chicago area

    Wisconsin currently has two things going for it economically: our produce/dairy and our beautiful natural areas which prop up our tourism industry. Of course Walker wants to be spend 3 billion in tax funded subsidies to help destroy those in favor of jobs that will soon be obsolete. Long term consequences are so far away, but 2018 is just around the corner! It’s not like Walker wants to run on providing tax funded subsidies to help people access affordable healthcare. Conservatimism and stuff!

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      Don’t forget the plethora of serial killers

      • Oblios_Cap

        And cow tippers!

      • WiscoJoe

        That ties in to the tourism industry. Do you know how many serial killer themed local walking tours and boutique museums there are?

      • Fifth-and-a-Half Element
  • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

    Ooh, ooh, Maverick was on last night!
    I always liked the Bret episodes better than the Bart ones, didn’t you?

    • Komsumverweigerer Ron

      They played off each other so well!

  • (((fka_donnie_d)))

    Guy from country which Trump ran against is now our bestest friend, details at 11.

  • BadKitty904

    OT: But interesting for 2020, if there actually is an election…

    Presidential Candidates May Be Forced to Disclose Tax Returns Thanks to New Colorado Ballot Proposal
    At least 26 other states introduced similar legislation this year, after Trump became the first major party presidential candidate in more than 40 years not to release his returns.

    • efoveks

      If all the states or better yet, Congress, can do this before 2020, then Trump will either have to release his tax returns or not run. Either is okay with me. :)

      • BadKitty904

        I would wager it’d make Paul Ryan stop and think.

  • Okay, so Wisconsin is blowing Hon Hao who totes promises to pay them afterwards, but left its wallet in the car and will truly be right back with 10 billion dollars and a new factory?

    Smells like Republican economics.

    • efoveks

      Trumponomics:

      1. Borrow money
      2. Stiff employees & suppliers
      3. Declare bankruptcy
      4. Show, in line item form, how many businesses and jobs you have created!
      5. Disparage all the businesses and jobs that you have killed off with this business plan as “losers” and “liars”.

  • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

    Trump is speaking at 1:40 Eastern time.

    • Oblios_Cap

      So?

      • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

        You’re not excited to see how crazy pants he gets? I am!

        • OutOfOrbit

          i’d rather hear about it later thanx you berry much

        • Old Man Yells at Cloud

          The crazy is fun to watch, but more than 140 characters of Trump word salad is just too much, so I stick to the tweets.

  • If Carrier would only produce coal-burning air conditioning systems that snapped together like Tinker Toys JERBS FER EVERBUDDY! MAGA ME WITH A SPOON!

  • Thurman Munster IV

    After Walker was elected he turned down federal dollars to entice a high speed train manufacturer to Wisc. A bullet train would be built between Chicago and the Twin Cities going through WI. He was against tax dollars going to private businesses and didn’t think it would be a good return on investment. He would have created 1000s of jobs and generated a new industry here. Actually it was just because a black guy proposed the project. Now this which doesn’t make economic sense. He’s a hypocritical weasel. Bucky weeps.

    • Antonin Dvorak

      Rick Scott killed our HSR line from Orlando to Tampa, for equally idiotic reasons; including that TGV shouldn’t be allowed to consult on the project because Nazi’s used their lines during the war.

      • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

        As he drove off in his Mercedes

      • Komsumverweigerer Ron

        He must be happy he has domestic Nazis he can consult now.

      • ahughes798

        I believe he has a large segment of Jewish retiree base. Not to mention WWll vets, dwindling though they are. Along with the usual dumb old white people(I am a dumb old white people.).

    • rocktonsam

      Yes and start drug testing folks signing up for unemployment and Medicare also,too. Walker still hasn’t signed a budget ,roads are in bad shape , lakes with algae bloom even 3000 jobs still leaves him way short of his 250,000 jobs goal…

    • Up In Smoke O’hontas

      Yup. And we got to pay back the companies who had already broken ground on the job AND attorneys fees!

  • Anna Rompage

    Fox Con gets $3 billion of create 3000, $52k/yr jobs.

    The state income tax rate for $52k is 6.27%.

    Assuming none of the employees get a tax break, or write off on their state taxes, it would take approx 306 years for the employees tax contributions to make up for the lost revenue of giving FoxCon the $3 billion in incentives

    • Beanz&Berryz

      You’re not supposed to do the math.

      • Anna Rompage

        Some folks were never very good with word problems, or logic…

        • Beanz&Berryz

          Or arithmetic

          • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

            Let alone the evil al gebra.

          • marxalot

            The FIST!

          • ahughes798

            I hate that Muslin bastard! I want to punch him right in the beezer, with votes.

      • Old Man Yells at Cloud

        Math is part of that coastal elitist book learnin’

    • h4rr4r

      Good point. Another idea, would be to take $3billion and divide it by 30,000 employees at Wisconsin’s new hole digging and filling in project. That would be 30,000 new jobs that pay $100,000 a year in salary and benefits, so take home is lower. Jobs in the exciting industry of digging holes and filling them back in.

      • efoveks

        Hey! SOME of us are trying to drink coffee here, not christen the keyboard. :)

        • h4rr4r

          I was going to suggest dividing the employees up into teams of window breakers and glaziers but thought it would be too much.

          • Fancy Meau-Faux

            It probably would be. Workmans comp insurance for glass companies is really high (sharp edges and stuff), but for hole diggers I suspect it’s much lower.

      • Riley Whodat Venable

        This is not a good use of capital. Hole digging is harder work than hole filling. Hire 15k adult hole diggers at $100k per.
        Hire 14k child hole fillers at $10k per.
        Hire 1k teens to become child puller out of holes workers at $15k per.

        Whole families could work together, home schooling on their breaks. And no dirty feriners would get any of our Ameros.

      • Snarkbot 9000

        So this job is pretty much every office job that ever was. Sounds legit.

    • Fartknocker

      And for this amount of money, the contractor can purchase a lot of autonomous backhoes and hydraulic excavators, meaning less operators are required, health insurance, lunch breaks and MAGA because they are made in Japan,
      http://www.fujita.com/uploads/technologies/2/fujita-unmanned-robo-q.pdf

    • Longstreet63

      No, no. An AVERAGE of $52K.
      That’s a few executives making a million and the plebes on minimum wage.

  • Fartknocker

    20 x 10^6 square feet is 459.1 acres. Tesla Gigafactory 1 in Nevada, in the initial construction phase has an area of 1.9 x 10^6 square feet in area (43.7 acres) but has about 5 x 10^6 square feet of usable space because it’s a 4 story building (ohh, they added some fancy building floors). As someone who has worked on a factory in Austin that fabricates the aluminum cases for the I-phones and I-Pads, me thinks Scott Walker and Dampnut are full of gigabullshit.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Therrre you gooooo again. Math. Math. Math.

      • ahughes798

        And they said there would be no math.Le sigh.

    • armed_bears

      Thank you. A really cool dispassionate look at ‘facts’.

    • SweetDeeKat

      Thank you for doing the math for me. I know a square mile is 640 acres, so now I too can call bullshit fully informed.

    • Fancy Meau-Faux

      If I’m correct it also works out to $500 per square foot, which is ridiculous. Industrial space typically runs anywhere from $40/SQFT to $225/SQFT. Unless he is including equipment in that number. (or I did the math wrong)

    • ky ho

      Fake Math! /s

  • Old Man Yells at Cloud

    Hey Wisconsin, I have this nice bridge in Brooklyn for sale that you might be interested in buying for much less than $3B. (You could raise the toll and really stick it to those coastal elitist New Yorkers)

    • RobKanC

      how much money will you be willing to pay for me to buy the bridge?

    • Snarkbot 9000

      No sir, I don’t like it. We pay way too much in the way of f’ing tolls for our bridges already, TYVM.

  • efoveks

    20 million square feet translates into a whopper of a December heating bill!

    • Old town Urbandale

      Who needs heat? Cheese heads pack Lambeau Field when it’s 0 with brass monkey ball-freezing wind chills. Just tell ’em the robot that could replace them doesn’t mind the cold.

      • Snarkbot 9000

        Isn’t there also large quantities of alcohol involved with that though? Not sure if 3,000 drunken Wisconsinites are the best producers of display units. I think this is exactly what happened to Curtis Mathes in fact

        • 3000 hungover cheezeheads making complicated stuff.

    • covfefesumgame0005

      won’t affect the robots!

      • Andy

        Totally. It’ll be a “dark” factory, with no human comforts as it’ll be highly automated. HVAC will be designed to meet the needs of the machines. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

  • kindness

    Wisconsin has offered up Billions of dollars in incentives and tax ‘relief’ (as in Apple will pay almost no taxes on anything in perpetuity) for these jobs. When you compare the money thrown at Apple to the jobs expected it comes out to some horrendous figure of Wisconsin paying $80,000 for each worker projected for the next 10 years. If I were Apple I’d have jumped on it too. Why not let some idiots in fly over country pay for my workers costs?

  • rocktonsam

    Walker and his fuck up buddy forgot to mention the Chinese work ethic that won’t fly in my wisconsin. Production goes drastically lower during packers football season. At the gm plant in Ryan’s Janesville you never bought a Tahoe that was produced the day after a game. Absenteeism and hangovers was a great hindrance before gm closed the plant.

    • Bitter Scribe

      And I bet they don’t even commit suicide in response to job pressure. Takers.

    • Riley Whodat Venable

      You mean Cheeseheads won’t work 12 hours a day 7 days a week for a room with 3 other workers, and two bowls of rice a day?
      See why America is falling behind? We are just lazy. We want food for us AND our kids, roads, schools, police, fire, hospitals.
      I hoped I’d never live to see Socialism take over America.

      /s

  • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

    $1 million per job subsidy. Tell me again how people on welfare are ‘takers’?

    • mailman27

      Pays for 20 yrs of yer $50,000/yr job. Totally plausible.

      • Longstreet63

        We should just do that and cut out the corporate middleman.

      • dshwa

        That implies that those jobs won’t be automated in that timeframe and that the company won’t come back for more breaks/handouts.

    • Snarkbot 9000

      Some, but but not all, are non-white.

      • ahughes798

        In fact, most of them are white.

    • SeeTrain65

      “I’ll tell you. It’s a complete and total lie, but I’ll tell you if you really want me to.”

  • SadDemInTex
  • Zippy W Pinhead

    The whole thing is just another smoke and mirrors scam from the GOP

    • Longstreet63

      Both smoke and mirrors are made in China, but lately, the mirrors have been cut as an unnecessary expense.

  • Longstreet63

    Well, it’s the thought that counts, you know. And the tax incentives.
    Here in Indy, the rescue of Carrier jobs has quietly faded away, as well.
    Sooo tired of winning.

    • eka

      in my hometown, people still blame the loss of harley jobs on obama. because it’s not possible that harley used automation to replace workers while simultaneously cutting production because they refused to make city-bikes/non-gasguzzlers? People believe what they want.

      • Komsumverweigerer Ron

        I’m perfectly happy for people to believe whatever nonsense they want. What I object to is being expected to believe it and live by it as well.

        • eka

          what i hate is that they voted for obama and then voted for trump. i know the unions were very pro-obama and harley was a union shop. but they couldn’t vote for the girl.

          • Komsumverweigerer Ron

            Maybe she should have posed topless for Easyrider Magazine?

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        i also saw a story recently that sales were down so they’re letting a coupla hundred more peolple go (maybe that’s what you’re talking about.)

        • eka

          this was 2009-2010. they laid off about 1500 people. i haven’t been living there since then, so i don’t know if there were more layoffs. but originally the plan was to get rid of 2/3 of the workforce and then they reduced it to just half.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            ah, okay. Yeah, there was an article in the past two weeks – sales had slowed so i think they’re letting 300 people go.

          • eka

            well, i think in my hometown they’re under 1000 employees now, so it’s probably not the same factory. but it was formerly the biggest harley factory. they still can’t manage to do things strategically, as in, make bikes that aren’t huge and don’t use tons of gas.

            it angers me because i know people who worked at factories that weren’t unionized and spent their days wishing they could get a job at harley. but they all lost their jobs in the end, union or not. and that will continue until we think internationally about these things.

          • thixotropic jerk

            Think internationally? What is you a commernist?!?!?
            #WOW

          • ahughes798

            A world with fewer Harley’s will be a nicer, much quieter world. You forgot to add less pollution…those things still ooze oil. 97% of all Harley’s are still on the road…..on the shoulder, waiting for a tow truck.

  • La forza del resistino

    Consumers will find the quality of LCD displays made in Wiscon Valley cheesy.

  • The Wanderer

    For those of you who want a drug trip without taking anything:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8ZGAzsGi2s

    • Alex Grey

      I never knew badgers had that kind of explosive yield.

      • The Wanderer

        At least twenty kilochans.

    • Incoming Ham

      I know things are really bad when I can see meaning in that.

      • The Wanderer

        Like, wow, man . . .

    • ahughes798

      Weeble did a lot of cool things over at Beta.com. It’s a cool place..full of mostly British insults, photoshops, and general skullduggery.

  • capnkrunch

    This is so fucking stupid. We’re never getting manufacturing jobs back from countries that treat their workers like cattle. And more importantly, those jobs are going to be lost entirely to automation in the not so distant future. Low skill manufacturing jobs are, like coal mining jobs, never coming back.

    Here’s a better thing you could do with 3 billion dollars: put ~36,000 Wisconsinites through college. I checked on the UW site; the most expensive campus is UW-Madison and the annual in-state cost is $20,762.48 x 4 years = $83,049.92. 3 billion divided by that is ~36122.

    • Komsumverweigerer Ron

      But doesn’t that mean the Rs will lose 36,000 voters?

      • Husband Of Mrs God

        Additional benefit.

    • alpacapunchbowl

      Holy balls, my tuition at Madison was a fraction of that back in ’94-’97. Yet another thing to thank Imperial Walker and his gods the Koch brothers for.

  • BMW

    There was a point when I thought Scott Walker was going to be the 2016 Republican nominee. As dumb as that sounds, I remind you they ended up picking someone even dumber.

    • ahughes798

      And it won.

  • dshwa

    Us liberals and our pesky facts.

  • marxalot

    Who says things like “we’re gonna have some very, very magnificent decades” anyway? Yes, in all of this, that is what makes my eyes cross.

    • darnyoudarnyoutoheck

      I doubt Trump will be having decades of magnificence or anything else. He doesn’t handle stress well.

    • Incoming Ham

      Just imagine what this will look like in high school history books/screens in 50 years.

      They will call it the Dark Period Of The American Mind.

    • Komsumverweigerer Ron

      ‘very, very magnificent decades’
      cf. The Thousand-Year Reich

  • The Librarian

    Walker is one of the kings of boondoggle. This is just one of many. WI needs to demote this asshat to court jester next time.

    • cats530

      He’s not smart enough, entertaining enough or amusing enough to be a jester.

      • The Librarian

        I was thinking more like pointing fingers and laughing when he says the stupid things he says. Also, too, all his funny faces that get caught on camera.

        • Komsumverweigerer Ron

          Ah, I understand your confusion. That’s not the court jester, that’s the court geek. How good is he at biting the heads off chickens?

          • The Librarian

            Probably better than we really want to know. Think of his “famous” corn dog photo.

  • xbutter

    Those assholes. There actually could really be one of Musk’s factories built in Wisconsin, but Republicans don’t like Tesla much anymore because he’s threatening their fossil fuel masters’ monopoly on energy for transportation, so there is going to instead be this imaginary factory.

  • Gorillionaire

    Walker – the man who got a bald spot by trying to fix his sink. ALLEGEDLY.

  • I’m thinking that the price of this deal shows where the name Foxconn came from.

  • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

    another criticism – this is Wisconsin, it’s famously a right to work state. So i imagine those employee compensation figures will eek downward, quickly.

    • Weird Fishes

      Eek? Try plummet. “Greedy workers don’t want the jobs they’re being offered! I did my best! Sad!”

    • Lulu’s Mom

      Yep. Wisconsin prides itself on low pay and no benefits.

    • Husband Of Mrs God

      What I like to call “right to slave”.

    • Observer

      Actually, just recently a right to work for less state under Walker and his gerrymandered Nazi buddies in Assembly and Senate.

  • Komsumverweigerer Ron

    This plant is supposed to have a floor area of 20 million square feet.
    The city of Kenosha has a land area of about 753 million square feet.
    It does make one think.

  • They are looking for kickbacks from those subsidies, and will blame Obama when the project tanks.

    • ahughes798

      Motorola did the same crap to a small town near me; Harvard, IL. I have linked to an article showing the timeline of the whole debacle, but what it doesn’t mention is the state and the town gave Motorola millions and millions of incentives, property tax exemptions, etc., to locate there in the first place. As you will see in the article, the campus was built for 100 million or so. They left out this part in the article.

      http://www.nwherald.com/2017/03/22/timeline-of-motorola-campus-in-harvard/a701fm3/

  • Querolous
  • Minnesota should build its own damn Phone factory and only pay the workers a quarter-mil apiece — they’d still be getting twice the deal of Wisconsin!

  • moeman

    Thimk different.

  • Zyxomma

    Vey iz mir. Thanks, $5F.

  • Peggy Ryan

    I’ll have what he’s smoking.

  • RugzYaBurnt

    Gawd, Wisconsin *would* be one of the very few states with no gubernatorial term limits. That cross-eyed shitweasel will be living off the taxpayer teat for the rest of his days.

  • Also, LCD Panels? Apple’s top of the line this year will be OLED, which will likely be all of their screens within two years. Gonna be funny when they finish that factory and realize they have some iPad screens to make and that’s all.

  • SeeTrain65

    “How are you going to get your robots to buy iPhones, Scotty?”

    http://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/11/16/robots-buy-cars/

  • Husband Of Mrs God

    So, Foxconn is Lucy, American plants are the football, and WI and two other states are Charlie Brown.
    In the meantime, Boeing SC is demonstrating that SC is a Right To Get Laid Off state.

  • The Militant Homosexual Agenda

    Beginning to understand what the ‘con’ in Foxconn means. (interesting that Google spell check recommends that “Foxconn” be spelled, “Oxycontin”. Is Rush an investor?)

  • Tinacnelson

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  • Sir Jim Knecht

    The sooner every last jew communist muslim nig ger mexican homosexual and other subhuman vermin are exterminated the sooner God’s America will be great again. Nig ger Obama and traitor Hillary must be killed and Trump must declare martial law. God Bless Scott Walker and President Trump!!! WHITE POWER FOREVER!!!

    • Mehmeisterjr

      That’s one way of putting it.

    • bloated_bowels

      Well stated, Sir. Now please go eat a big plate of your own shit and then drop dead.

  • Mehmeisterjr

    Why not build a replica of Noah’s Ark?

    • Ed Zeier

      Visit the Dells.

    • kathy

      The rubes in KY got there first with the ark.

  • mary5920

    I guess the big questions are: Does the average person in Wisconsin see through this con, and even if they do, are the elections in Wisconsin rigged enough to keep the con going for longer?

    • denydaho

      Not sure, but they are gonna be pissed when it’s staffed by immigrants.

    • Jared James

      No, and no question. #mymoney’son

    • Duke

      The gerrymandering in Wisconsin is in the courts. It’s some fine work, too, if you like that sort of a thing.

  • Debra Dassow

    Nicely done speaking as a “Sconnie”.

  • Bitter Scribe

    Walker just about has “SUCKER” tattooed on his forehead.

    • Damian L

      I thought that was his supporters.

    • milomilosovich

      I always thought Walker looked like the kind of guy who got beat up a lot in High School.

  • Horshu

    Would Apple even use those screens for the iPhone? It’s supposedly going to AMOLED for the next version. Maybe they’d buy some for their desktops, but how many are those?

  • Man, Walker, Ryan, and the Ol’ Pussy Grabber have done it AGAIN! They get re-elected without delivering a gottam thing and wasting millions of taxpayer money. Why do voters keep falling for the same BS from the same BS’ers all the gottam time?!?!

  • Duke

    Right in Paul Ryan’s district! What a coincidence!

  • Cogswell – in a mirror darkly

    Then there’s the fact that FoxCONn makes the shitiest electronic components in the known universe. I would never do a computer build with such cheap parts.

    I can’t even believe anyone would buy an over-priced Apple product. If they knew exactly what was inside them and had any idea as to the poor quality of the components, they’d never buy an Apple product again.

    • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

      with me, all it took was one apple product…i’ll never buy another one

      • Cogswell – in a mirror darkly

        It’s bad enough they are made out of fake shitty parts but then you have to take them to the “Genius Bar” to get them fixed and on top of it all, you need an appointment.

        I could go on and on, but I won’t.

        • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

          some time when i’m not about to fall asleep, maybe i’ll spin the tale of how the dumbasses locked us out of our ipad (for a fucking week) because of an update fuckup (theirs), and were stunned to learn that we werent getting any of our reset emails–to the icloud account on the ipad that we were locked out of….let’s just say mrs mfp wouldnt let me go into the apple store with her because, youknow…not carrying bail money

  • UpstateNYObserver

    Magical thinking…just like always.

  • Iron Monkey

    Shows how desperate for jobs people in former industrial areas like southeast Wisconsin are. Was formerly a center of auto production–American Motors, Chrysler–but that is long gone. Now they will believe anything.

  • rnprn

    Walker and the GOP need some good PR. Rince has been fired in the WH, Ryan is public enemy #1 since his speaker ship introduced him to the whole country, now hating him instead of just Wisconsinites. And well Walker is still about 70,000 jobs behind his 2010 election that said he would produce 250,000 in his first 4 years, 7 years later, we are waiting for the 70,000. Walker did nothing about good paying jobs leaving the state from Oscar Meyer, GE, Crain and all. Instead he is importing Asian jobs, paying the masses $9.20 an hour. Current employees in China are committing suicide at Foxcon, due to 12 hour days, 6 days a week, paying $241 a month. Good job Scooter!

  • rnprn
  • rnprn

    https://www.theguardian.com/…/foxconn-american-factory-plans-trump

    • Morningside

      Link seems to be broken.

      • rnprn

        Sorry about that, have multiple articles, bad deal, will try and repost them.

  • Newzheimer

    So, this factory will be joining the one in PA that also never got built, among many promises from Foxconn to build same?

    Alrighty, then.

    My kid went to the UW/Madison. I hate Scott Walker with the fire of 1000 white hot suns. He’s managed to destroy the value of her (and every other UW graduate’s) diploma with his crap. Just because he never finished college–thrown out of Marquette for cheating, doncha know.

  • Mr. White

    Actual facts are lost on their supporters, so it doesn’t matter anyway.

  • cats530

    Walker is so DERPY!

  • Epstein’s Mother

    In all fairness to Foxconn, they’ve never been a sweatshop. The suicides were a result of Foxconn paying out very generous death benefits to the families of the first few people who killed themselves. The suicides stopped after they stopped with the payouts.

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