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Has anyone ever been helped by a high school drug education class in this country? Is there any program out there that has been shown to keep kids off hard drugs? As a child, Your 5$F endured annual visits from Maureen the Drug Lady. Maureen was a 60-year-old recovering alcoholic with a Boston accent you could drive a truck through. She made her living telling high school kids that that they’d end up eating from a dumpster if they sniffed markers. Maureen was especially bothered by the ones that had different smells for each color. Blueberry markers were a gateway drug!

Those markers smelled so good!

Jeff Sessions’ didn’t mention markers in his address to the 30th DARE Training Conference on Tuesday. But he did advocate a return to mandatory minimums and harsher sentences for drug crimes. And he waxed nostalgic for the good old days when DARE sent cops into schools to teach kids that drugs were NOT COOL.

I believe that DARE was instrumental to our success by educating children on the dangers of drug use. I firmly believe that you have saved lives. And I want to say thank you for that. Whenever I ask adults around age 30 about prevention, they always mention the DARE program. Your efforts work. Lives and futures are saved.

Ol’ Jeff does get confused sometimes. He remembers that Eric Holder was soft on crime, but he forgets that the crime rate was a whole lot higher in 2008 than it was in 2016. He remembers that we have an opioid epidemic, but he forgets that Perdue Pharma sent a team of pushers to tell Middle America that Oxycontin would make them feel good.

And Jeff Sessions remembers DARE as a program that helped keep kids off drugs. Which it most certainly did not. In 1994 the Justice Department buried a study which proved that half the nation’s kids were wasting their time in a useless drug program. WaPo reports,

In 1994, the Research Triangle Institute, funded in part by the Justice Department, conducted a meta-analysis of all the existing research on DARE. Its conclusion was withering: DARE had little to no impact on rates of teen drug use.

The Justice Department was so incensed by this unexpected finding that it refused to publish the study, according to contemporaneous news reports. “I don’t get it,” DARE’s executive director at the time said of the RTI study’s findings. “It’s like kicking Santa Claus to me. We’re as pure as the driven snow.”

Which is an apt analogy, considering DARE and Santa are both cherished by children, only to be rejected by the surly adolescents they become. But a child who realizes that no jolly, fat man came down the chimney can comfort himself with a stocking full of candy canes. Whereas a teenager who acted out Just Saying No with Officer Friendly is left with a worthless lump of coal to help her navigate a complicated world.

They meant well.

But they didn’t know how to save us.

And as far as Your 5$F can see, they still don’t know. Last year, Kid 5$F spent several mornings being lectured by a recovering addict on the inevitable slide from beer, to marijuana, to pills, to injecting heroin.

Your 5$F wondered how a person who cannot safely consume alcohol was going to teach a roomful of 15-year-old boys about responsible drinking. Might it be time to switch up the curriculum in light of the legalization of marijuana in 26 states?

“Oh, no! This program has saved so many kids,” the guidance counselor assured her. “Every year, the boys come to us after, and they tell us who in the class is having a problem.”

“You mean the purpose is to get them to narc each other out? This isn’t about teaching them to make good decisions? Are you kidding me?!?!”

Safe to say, Your 5$F will not be invited to join the PTA any time soon.

Unfortunately, this seems to be pretty standard.

“You go into the school for 90 minutes and deliver information,” said DeLeon. “It’s got to be captivating. It’s got to be engaging. It’s got to be believable and then it’s got to be entertaining.”

Based on pre- and post-presentation surveys he does with students, he can tell the message is getting through. For instance, before the presentation, about 30% of students might say they would tell their parents if their friend was doing drugs. After the presentation, that number jumps to around 70%, he said.

WAIT, WHAT? He wants to take credit for risk reduction based on a survey administered the day of the program? Now that’s the kind of science Jeff “Reefer Panic” Sessions can get down with!

So what does work? Well, instead of trying to scare the shit out of ’em, give the kids something to do!

Developmental assets are strengths both internal and external to students that when present, markedly reduce the likelihood of a young person engaging in risky behaviors, including alcohol and drug use. Assets include things like experiencing a caring, encouraging school environment; having a useful role in the community; and spending three or more hours per week in sports, clubs, or organizations at school and/or in community organizations.

Of course, it’s hard to run basketball and band class if you intend to cut education funding by 13.5%. But they’re all good at something, and kids take better care of themselves when they feel good about chess or cheerleading or church choir.

Beyond that, your 5$F just does not know. Although next time she’s tempted to lose her shit at the guidance counselor, she plans to draw on data from The National Institute of Justice evaluating popular drug education programs. Apparently, they’re not all junk!

And that’s One to Grow On! Now let’s all eat a gummy bear and enjoy these videos.

[Sessions Speech Transcript / VoxWaPo / Education World / CNN]

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  • Oneofthebobs

    DARE; Drugs Are Really Expensive. Not having any money helps keep kids off drugs.

    • Cogswell – in a mirror darkly

      Hey, how did you get to be first? Vecchovian was the first to comment! I saw it with my own two lyin’ eyes!

      • Ωbjectifier

        Disqus is stoned.

        • Cogswell – in a mirror darkly

          ell oh ell…

          (I just have to stop using so many acronyms.)

      • Oneofthebobs

        400 pound hacker.

        • Cogswell – in a mirror darkly

          Funny you should say that because I’ve eaten so many “nothing burgers” according to the alt-right that I fear that I just might turn into a 400 lb. hacker sitting on my bed and hacking foreign elections.

          Do I get fries and a diet coke with that?

    • Serai 1

      Yeah, that explains why there aren’t any poor people on drugs.

  • Vecchioivan

    I’d be the first to comment, but I’m too stoned to think of anything to say.

    • Cogswell – in a mirror darkly

      You were the first to comment…

      ell oh ell

      • Ill-Advised

        Yeah, that long pause before clicking Post was ill-advised.

        I’ll see myself out.

  • memzilla Ω

    I do remember, though, that there was a “Scared Straight” teevee series and a whole lotta jokes about “Midnight Basketball, both of which catered to the “Shame The Blacks and Browns” Cadillac Welfare Moms mindset.

    Don’t
    Assume
    Republican
    Empathy

  • Everrett Fanuelli

    We don’t have to go back to DARE. Remember when 9/11 was used as an excuse to stop people from buying pot?

  • Persistent Demme

    My 30 yr. old daughter has a DARE t-shirt she got in the 7th or 8th grade.
    She wears it sometimes, and gets offers on it.
    Apparently, they are quite valuable.

    • Serai 1

      I’ve got a copy of Cops and Dopers which I hear is pretty valuable. (Damn, I wish I still had my first edition of A Child’s Garden of Grass.)

  • Ωbjectifier
    • Serai 1

      Always loved that shot of Spicoli and his pals falling out of the smoke-filled van.

  • JMP

    When it comes to Dares from the 80s, I much prefer the Stan Bush version.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGrKfQ9Ss7w

  • Scooby

    He’s not concerned about pot, he’s concerned about private prison profits.

    • Serai 1

      DING DING DING DING

      GIVE THE MAN A CIGAR!!!

  • jesterpunk

    Dont be like Jacob, 1 marijuana turns you into Deadpool.

    https://pics.me.me/this-is-jacob-he-was-a-straight-a-student-in-19302184.png

    • Michael R

      Well he didn’t turn into an egg

    • FauxAntocles

      Pretty sure the guy on the right is Chevy Chase with the sunburn from hell.

    • Oblios_Cap

      injecting weed? Who the fuck would do that?

      • jesterpunk

        How do you think he turned into Deadpool?

  • Ryan Denniston

    ““I don’t get it,” DARE’s executive director at the time said of the RTI study’s findings. “It’s like kicking Santa Claus to me. We’re as pure as the driven snow.””

    Yes, it really all about you isn’t it?

    • wait! what?

      No one ever REALLY “kicks” SC; it’s a gateway to cheesing.

      • JMP

        Really, I’d say Santa Claus is a gateway drug to god; lying to children to get them to believe in an imaginary man with magic powers who rewards them for good behavior and punishes them for being naughty helps break them in to organized religion.

        • SterWonk

          Add in the “Elf on the Shelf” thing (which is apparently a thing now…), and you’re also preparing them to be okay with a surveillance state.

  • TJ Barke

    Weed makes me wanna kill myself… less after I smoke some.

  • Ryan Denniston

    I’d venture that free condoms are more effective than DARE.

    • wait! what?

      …and that’s when my kids started snorting condoms.

  • chascates

    I just downed 2 doses of marijuana infused chocolate.

    Thanks, Obama. Thanks for the feds easing off so my friend in Oregon could send me a super dooper doper box!

  • 3FingerPete

    From you, OK? I learned to sniff markers from you!

  • JMP

    You seem to have forgotten the greatest bad anti-drug ad of all time:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Elr5K2Vuo

    Though even that’s not as awesomely awful as Nancy Reagan’s appearance on Diff’rent Strokes to just say “Just Say No”, which for some reason only seems to be available on a horrible camcorder in front of the TV recording:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TENJNk4Wk4g

    And even that wasn’t as crazy as this. Take drugs, and all your favorite cartoon characters will come to life and talk to you:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iOiF4J17G4

    • The Wanderer

      Since some of the characters I write about are a bunch of criminals, the last thing I need is them coming to life and talking to me.

    • wait! what?

      ” Are those sociology books?”

      https://youtu.be/CPmLa_wtaXU

      • Serai 1

        Chris Hemsworth, goddamn. How is it that Australian actors are better at being American than most American guys? I mean, fuck. (I honestly thought Alex O’Loughlin was from New Jersey until I saw him on a talk show a couple of years ago.)

        • SterWonk

          But it’s Dannyo who’s from NJ, not Steve!

          • Serai 1

            I know! But damn, Alex is just so fucking good at it. I first ran into him with Moonlight, which was awesome even though it had an embarrassingly small budget for a TV series. I had no inkling at all that he wasn’t a gringo. None. It was a real shock the first time I heard him use his own voice.

    • data_ninja

      Christ, I remember that last video, like when it came out. This one is more of a modern take: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4H517oi7pU

    • Little Lulu Ω

      I made it to 2:20. Unbearable.

    • MisterShoebox

      “I learned it by watching YOU!”

      “…You raided my stash? Without me finding out?! I’m both infuriated and proud of you at the same time.”

  • Michael R
    • Villago Delenda Est

      This explains so much. Like why Sayshuns was exiled from the Hollow Tree.

  • Kiri the Unicorn

    *deadpans*

    Hallucinogens made me the unicorn I am today.

  • Skwerl the Taco Hunter
    • GreenGoldSharpie

      Hey look, it’s a Saturday night!

  • Nounverb911

    This just in on the ‘war on drugs’.

    https://twitter.com/PRESlDENTBANNON/status/886612798125592576

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Flying bags of heroin valued at $1.5 million a bag, too!

  • BloviateMe
    • GreenGoldSharpie

      Mary Jane made me trans.

      Or, rather, was my drug of choice to avoid killing myself in my teens. As an adult I tried SSRIs. Much less effective.

      • BloviateMe

        Weed made me eat pudding pops, which were endorsed by Bill Cosby, the rapist.

        So basically, weed made me a rape endorser.

        Thanks, weed.

        • GreenGoldSharpie

          Weed is insidious that way.

          Did you know weed can give you ideas that you think are great until you sober up too?

          • JMP

            Wait, I thought it was alcohol that did that?

          • GreenGoldSharpie

            Nah, that makes you do things you regret, not think about them.

            You know, the sort of things where you wake up in the drunk tank?

          • grindstone

            I’ve recently taken to writing down my deep profound thoughts when under the influence of alcohol, then going back and reading them later. I can attest that it’s a depressive drug, and that I need to keep my thoughts to myself when drinking.

          • OutOfOrbit

            But when stoned on pot, you never get off the couch to try your swell/stupid idea.

          • suziq

            I think I am still writing a Great American Novel with my best friend. It wasn’t about anything that I can recall.

          • AmazingProfessionalCrastinator

            Blotter gave me incredibly profound insights. Into what, I’m not sure.

          • Riley Whodat Venable

            I never saw God. But I did see His car that one time. I think.

          • Riley Whodat Venable

            But only Coke will get you to initiate those ideas

    • Mary Theresa

      So, I’m gay? Can’t wait to tell my husband. Oh, he must be gay too.

      • GreenGoldSharpie

        So lesbian. Much dyke.

      • BloviateMe

        It’s weird, innit? All these years, I never realized it.
        Do you think they will assign us a gay? I hope so, cuz I’m a lazy gay. I don’t want to have to do it myself.

        • GreenGoldSharpie

          The paperwork is pretty immense.

          I mean, there are a lot of gay things to decide on.

          • Msgr_MΩment

            That’s why you need a gay agenda.

        • Kiri the Unicorn

          *brushes mane, polishes hooves, looks hopeful*

    • Oblios_Cap

      It does make me pretty happy.

    • William
    • wait! what?

      Hmm, maybe a good slogan to help parents not beat their kids.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Damn, and I always wondered why I turned out to be such a big homo.

    • Serai 1

      Well, I do have an affinity for certain ladies.

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    Conservatives have gone from Scared Straight to scared shitless.

  • jesterpunk

    Jeff Sessions is just mad Willie didnt invite him up on the White House roof.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/willie-nelson-admits-smoked-pot-white-house-roof-article-1.2211345

  • wait! what?

    Maybe a wee bit more creativity would help?

    This is your “pain” on drugs!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7ca8a3d6d28941d28d808d5bd6833dfe74a711b42b0644679116f8a0f7aff10b.gif

    • The Wanderer

      Dracula? Downers.
      Freddy? Acid.
      Vader? Porn.
      Jason? PCP.

      • I’m thinking:
        Dracula: Ecstasy

        • The Wanderer

          Hmm. He wouldn’t have to worry about respiratory failure.

        • Serai 1

          Hm, Maybe if it were Lestat…

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Drugs Are Really Excellent

    • OneYieldRegular

      Some pre-DARE drug program speaker came to our elementary school and handed out bumper stickers that read “I get naturally high on____” and, without much instruction, asked all the kids to fill in the blank. Almost to a person we all wrote “drugs.”

      • The Wanderer

        “I get naturally high on _______.”
        raw porn at high speed

      • The Librarian

        I took a religions class where the teacher invited various people to explain about their religion. A Scientologist(!) came and told us she saw quite a few “muddy colored auras” which meant drugs. We laughed at her.

    • William
      • The Wanderer

        That’s very funny, thank you.

      • Serai 1

        That is fucking brilliant. *steals*

  • Me not sure

    I’ve never been a cigarette smoker, but I smoked a little weed back in my youth. I don’t like the sensation of smoking, so even though I found the effects pleasant, I quit. Once I started teaching there was no way that I would risk a career that I loved by smoking marijuana. I my my opinion weed is a gateway drug to nothing more dangerous than massive amounts of chocolate cake and chili dogs.

    • Serai 1

      I’ve smoked since the 70’s, and the worst thing I can say for weed is that it can be a gateway to a massive waste of time.

    • Seek

      Mostly it just made me want to sleep or eat junk food. Both of which I do quite well without smoking. I was an abject failure at drugs. I stick to alcohol.

  • natoslug

    I party with the wrong crowd, apparently. Not once have I started my evening with a beer and woken up 6 days later, strung out on heroin, pills, and pixie-sticks.

    • Vecchioivan

      You’re just not applying yourself.

      • natoslug

        I know. My main drug phase was conception to 3-5 months of gestation. Marijuana was good for morning sickness, at least back in the 60’s (and if you lived in Topanga Canyon). So sad that it’s now a gateway to meth, heroin, and membership in the Heritage Foundation.

        • Serai 1

          Marijuana was good for morning sickness

          Still is, m’dear. Also the absolute BOMB against menstrual cramps. Wipes ’em right the fuck out.

          • natoslug

            That’s not what I’ve heard from the right honorable Jefferson “Tha South Will Raws Agin” Beauregard “Quit laughing at me” Sessions. One toke, and you’ll be injecting ketamine-laced molly straight into your eyeballs.

  • The Wanderer

    My younger brother, The Nomad, was the only one of the two of us who tried recreational drugs. I decided that I’d be both the control and the monitor.
    Marijuana made him sleep. No change in appetite (he ate constantly).
    LSD made him sleep and gave him nightmares.
    Cocaine made him sleep (hyperactivity disorder does odd things).
    Magic mushrooms made him sleepy.
    He gave up at that, and switched to Jack Daniels.

    • Serai 1

      Now he vomits before he sleeps?

      • The Wanderer

        Heh. He got married, got religion, got kids, and got off the sauce. Now, with a second wife (first died of cancer) and with the kids grown, he drinks wine from time to time.

  • William
  • Vincent Ricola

    But I like weed.

    • JMP

      I’d probably like weed if I had any clue how to get it; that’s the trouble with being a nerd, I do not know how to buy marijuana – what are you supposed to do, just walk up to random people on the street and ask, “can I buy pot from you?” That, and of course there’s that horrible, hideous smell; weed is fun but the stench it makes is not.

      • Vincent Ricola

        Head shops love nerds. Also, too, do you, by chance, have a cool uncle Steve?

        • The Librarian

          I had a student teacher in h.s. who made history really interesting (the regular teacher was a bore). He also owned a head shop. :)

      • natoslug

        That smell is how you know where to buy it. This Friday on the plaza in Arcata, CA, I assume I could have asked any person there, including the 3 year olds running around pantsless.

        • suziq

          Those 3 year olds did not show you their buttholes did they? Now that is a slippery slope…leads to veganism and yodeling I hear.

      • SisterArtemis

        If nothing else works, you need to make a visit to Oregon, Washington, or one of the other places where recreational weed is sold in shops. It’s quite a delight, and my hunch is that with better bud, and a clean pipe, the smell won’t be so overwhelming.

        • JMP

          We voted to legalize it here in California but the state hasn’t figured out how to implement it; I figure the legislature doesn’t know how to do their job thanks to the whole initiative system taking their basic functions away from them.

          • Serai 1

            Dude, you live in CA? Fuck sake, just go get a doctor’s card. It’s really fucking easy, they don’t hardly ask you anything. You just pay your bucks and you’re out the door.

          • chimichanga

            Just say chronic before the name of any malady and give them $200 and you’ll have a temp card. In one day you can buy more weed than you’ll ever need in your whole life.

          • Serai 1

            $200?? Where do you live? I pay FOURTY dollars for mine. I don’t think there’s a doctor around here charging more than maybe $60 bucks anymore.

          • chimichanga

            SF and it’s been a while. Price coulda come down.

          • Serai 1

            Ah well, SF. Not surprising, then.

          • JMP

            Last I checked, I don’t have any illnesses that you can get a pot prescription for.

          • Serai 1

            Tell them you suffer from depression and mood swings, and that you have a bad back. Seriously, they don’t ask for proof or medical records or anything. At the “clinic” I go to, the doctor takes my blood pressure and listens to my heart, asks me some question, writes up the scrip, and them makes me promise not to smoke in bed. That’s it. You really just need to have the money, and most of these places only charge about $50. (If you do go in to get a certificate, spring for the wallet card, too. Much more convenient, as it saves you having to take a big folded paper to the dispensary.)

          • Swampay

            Took 20 months from voting it in to stores opening in WA state. For the first six months availability was low and prices were high. Now I get amazed every time I walk into a weed shop – 100s of separate items, from bud to oil/wax products to edibles to topical creams. Probably 50-100 different strains of bud in any given shop. It’s pretty awesome.

          • Seek

            Congratulations, you are settling right in to the whole CA citizens initiative process. The Legislature does nothing and eventually some idiot starts an initiative.

      • The Librarian

        Vaping weed=no smell.

        • Serai 1

          I’ve been slowly getting into vaping. Problem is I don’t have money for a good setup, so I have to keep buying disposable pens, which I can afford at $20 a pop but which aren’t cost effective. My lungs are starting to get used to it. Different kind of high for me – softer and doesn’t last as long as the high from flowers.

          • The Librarian

            I found that myself, just as you described. I don’t do it on a regular basis, no set-up, but tried a friend’s.

          • Serai 1

            I may get one this next month. The saleswoman from Alpine who was at my dispensary in June offered me a deal: if I bought a $30 cannister of oil, she’d give me the battery for free. Couldn’t take her up on it at the time, but she said she’d be glad to give the same offer the next time she came in.

          • The Librarian

            That’s a good deal, at least 1/2 price. Take it when you’re able.

          • Serai 1

            I intend to, indeed. :)

      • Serai 1

        I take it you don’t live in a legal state. I still can’t get over the experience of walking into a STORE to buy weed.

        Also, stench? Really? I’ve never understood how it smells bad. Car exhaust is a hell of a lot worse, and people live with that and don’t even notice it.

    • William
  • Ill-Advised

    Fred Babb’s art celebrates how the arts are the ultimate anti-drug. I have this on my wall.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4249ddc7f3239c0c6a1343d699ee32f5776358cfa9270e9235ed84ab820cd0f2.png

    • SadDemInTex

      For the record: people who make their living in the arts do drugs and drink and other activities. Some of them to the detriment of their lives and health.

      • Ill-Advised

        For the record: you missed my point. And Babb’s.

        I don’t see you offering the equally related data that many people do drugs, period. There are choices, and they aren’t black and white. Like much of life, there’s a lot of both-and.

        Babb is not talking about a profession, he is talking about a choice on how to spend time, and what’s needed to be able to have a choice.

        • Serai 1

          What’s needed to make that choice, far more than arts education, is solutions to rampant poverty, racism, and the inability of more and more people to get a leg up in life. But we can’t have that, can we? That would be too inconvenient for too many people.

        • SadDemInTex

          Point taken. There is no magic bullet and people are people. Read the article about what Iceland did in this regard.

      • Bad Scooter

        point taken, but that’s not a great argument for cutting arts funding while increasing budget spending for useless programs like “DARE”

        • SadDemInTex

          I was not making that point. My point is that the “Arts” are not a magic bullet that prevents substance abuse because humans are the same no matter what they do. Iceland developed the most successful program to prevent youthful substance abuse

      • SisterArtemis

        but you can sub most any field for “arts” in that statement, so I don’t quite get your point. Also, though you may not have meant it this way, the structure of your sentence implies ALL people in the arts “do drugs and drink and other activities,” which is most certainly not true (assuming “other activities” are also innebriation-oriented).

        • Serai 1

          And it’s also untrue that the arts will prevent any involvement with drugs. It’s a pretty thought, but it’s patently dishonest.

        • SadDemInTex

          Bad writing on my part.

          • SisterArtemis

            Good intentions, then. :)

      • Serai 1

        Yeah, I was just gonna say…

  • “inevitable slide from beer, to marijuana, to pills, to injecting heroin.”

    It’s more like the inevitable slide from getting hurt while playing sports, to a doctor giving you a 5lb bag of oxy, to same doctor not giving you any more once that runs out, to injecting heroin.

    • AJ Milne

      For serious, they _do_ need better oxy PSAs…

      Kids. Don’t do oxies. Rush Limbaugh did…

      … and now he’s Rush Limbaugh.

    • natoslug

      I did my sports injuries in the wrong decade. All I got was surgery and percocets.

      • puredog

        I’ve had some oral surgeries and each leads to me getting like twelve percocet. I only really need to take 4 or 5 and I just hoard the rest. When that unfortunate event befalls me (back going out, etc.), there they are, and most welcome, too. I then limit my intake, which is a bit at odds with my otherwise addictive personality, but, hey, so far so good.

  • Thiazin Red

    The cinnamon one was the favorite in my kindergarten class. A lot of things got colored brown thanks to that marker.

  • Villago Delenda Est

    This has never been about “saving” kids from drugs. It’s always been about putting the ni*CLANGS* in their place…under the boot of racist shit like Jayuf Sayshuns.

  • bookish

    http://nbcnews.to/2tXioj9

    WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump’s job approval rating in the American counties that fueled his 2016 victory stands at 50 percent, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll of these “Trump counties.”

    Fifty percent of adults in these counties — consisting of Republicans, Democrats and independents — approve of the president’s job performance (including 29 percent who strongly approve), while 46 percent disapprove (including 35 percent who do so strongly).

    By comparison, last month’s national NBC/WSJ poll had Trump’s overall approval rating at 40 percent.

    • suziq

      I look at the fivethirtyeight polls which have been pretty consistent. Current approval is at 39.1% and disapproval is at 55.3% which is close to what it has been the last month or two or three. Kind of surprising but Nate Silver says his base is with him no matter what. so they may not care about Russia funny business but a lot of normal (is there such a thing?) republicans do care and do not approve.

    • SadDemInTex

      Is they learning in Trumperland or is they still dumb as fuck?

  • Blanche Beecham

    Weed made me a Liberal Commie Pinko.

    • Blanche Beecham

      And collect cats.

      • natoslug

        No, that one’s entirely on you.

    • OutOfOrbit

      weed made me sit threw green traffic lights

      • OutOfOrbit

        and wait for Stop signs to turn green

        • Ill-Advised

          I laughed so hard at this, I woke the cat up.

          Also, fuck Jeff Sessions. I may have a job interview with a cannabis-related business, so it’s job-related. Why does Sessions hate America?!

          • OutOfOrbit

            You’ve been there, Huh?

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Weed made the room spin around me.

      My mom, bless her heart, once handed me a couple of cookies. She didn’t realize that they were my sister’s “special” cookies from the Oregon Country Fair. I wolfed them down. Three hours later, I wake up with the room spinning and my sense of balance blasted to the Andromeda galaxy.

      This is not how I remember “special” food from college…

      • Serai 1

        Back in the 80’s, I used to make weed cookies by buying cheap ounces, grinding them fine and then adding them to the cookie mix. Damn things turned out green, but they were really good. Used to take them to Disneyland.

    • Khavrinen

      But.. if I’ve never done weed, how’d I end up here?

      Oh, yeah, those darn migrating Pinkham articles.

    • Paul

      Makes me hungry. What am I doing wrong? I’ve been practicing since 1969. Will I ever get the hang of it?

      • Serai 1

        You need to stay away from any strains with the word “cookies” in the name. Those are all derived from Girl Scout Cookies, a strain that’s well known for bringing on the munchies BIG TIME.

        • Paul

          This is the first year of legal weed here in Mass. They are still arguing over how much to tax it, etc. Idiotic legislature is stalling
          it seems. Whiny ass titty babies are butthurt because it was a referendum. We got sick of waiting on them.

          What they can’t stall is the fact that possession is legal and everybody can grow 12 plants. These don’t smell like cookies though. Kinda skunky.

  • OrG

    I regret starting to smoke cigarettes.
    I do not regret starting to smoke reefers.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Same here. They should have focused their efforts on getting me to give up cigarettes.

    • Serai 1

      Weed has kept me away from suicidal thoughts many a time. Also, relief from pain without addiction to heavy drugs is a blessed thing.

  • natoslug

    I agree with Jeff. Weeds is a scourge. Mainly dandelions, but once you hit the edge of the forest, the fucking ivy, cotoneaster, and holly, all three of which will be the fucking death of me. And don’t get me started on that yellow clover with burrs that pops up everywhere and is impossible to eradicate. I’m about ready to switch to napalm or nuking from orbit.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Scotch broom. The plant plague of Western Oregon. All that pollen! Yikes!

      • SisterArtemis

        And Pacific Bindweed. And Himalayan blackberries…

        • natoslug

          All my bindweed is around a single old redwood stump. Once I cut back the Himalayas and the buddleia enough, I can clear both a large patch of ivy and the morning glory/bindweed. The only frustration is that I did all of that a few years back, then moved on to another part of the yard. I’m starting to think that a nice bungalow in the ‘burbs with a city lot and a decent neighborhood cafe nearby would be a lot less effort and a lot more joy than constantly battling nature.

      • natoslug

        The goats took care of most of that years ago here, and I pull any that starts showing up again.

      • Ill-Advised

        To say nothing of Buddleia, which I bought four bushes of one year,before I learned it was a class B weed according to the university Master Gardeners.

      • Paul

        Pfffffttt. Weeds? Know what plagues me and Holly? Fucking bears. They wander through and trash the bird feeders. First time she saw one she freaked a bit. Now, FSM bless her, she walks out onto the deck, lightly claps her hands and says “Shoo, shoo.”

        Damndest thing is it works. Most of the time she doesn’t even raise her voice. Took this girl from Pittsburgh and turned her into a fearless mountain mama.

    • Black swallow wart here in my yard. What a fucking monster.

      • natoslug

        Yay! A weed I don’t have!!!!1!

      • puredog

        Clematis. The weed from hell.

    • The Wanderer

      Kudzu.

      • wait! what?

        Pretty decent comic strip.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Do you have a Rent A Goat franchise in your area?

      • wait! what?

        Oh, sure. Mask the problem; next thing you know people will be on their hands and knees for weeds.

      • natoslug

        No idea, but I have two goats. They like the roses (most of which are feral, so have at it, guys) and anything ornamental. They’ve been useless on most of the rest, unless I first cut it back so that they can just eat the tender shoots when it returns.

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          Damn, those are some spoiled goats.

          • natoslug

            Yeah, between my property and the neighbor to the north (they like to roam), they have 20-25 acres of pretty much anything they want. Maybe it’s time to consider fencing, although having 6 streams/creeks running through the property, and an empty fencing fund makes that unlikely to happen.

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            I wonder if the shock collars that dogs have would work on goats? I don’t think it actually hurts them. I’m kind of jealous that you have goats.

    • OutOfOrbit

      The boss of me is a menace to weeds, she see one & she yank that sucker up by the roots. No mercy. Maniacal she is.

    • Fartknocker

      Add chiggers to the list of dangerous biologicals. You can’s see them but they seem to enjoy my ankles.

      • natoslug

        No chiggers here, but lots of ground-dwelling hornets, which makes clearing brush exciting when you discover that you’ve grabbed something close to their nest that they didn’t want anyone fucking with. I’m good at doing the wild hornet sprint during the summer.

        • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

          Fire ants. They are the worst.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      When I owned a home, I gave up on the damn things. Water bare dirt in Southern California and green things will begin growing as if by magic. Now mow whatever-it is down to a height of about 2 inches and water just enough to keep it alive and you get something like a lawn. Enough to keep the neighborhood off of your back.

      • natoslug

        My laziness and my need for order are often at odds when I’m out in the yard. I really don’t want to mow, weed, prune, or plant, but sometimes having a giant tangle of invasives gets a bit oppressive. I should consider weed, learn to relax about it more.

        • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

          I used to find yard work therapeutic, but some things, like trying to keep a lawn free of crabgrass were a matter of diminishing returns. As were planter bowls, which became Day beds for the neighbor’s cats. Sometimes you just have to pick your battles.

    • Doug Langley

      Growing up, our gravel driveway had weeds that drove Dad bonkers. He tried pulling them out, flamethrower, poisons that could kill Moby Dick. Nothing worked. They just laughed and kept growing.

    • Serai 1

      DANDELION LIBELZ. Dandelions are great for the digestion, and their roots have value. Just because a plant shows up on its own doesn’t make it useless, my friend. (Also: dandelion wine. ‘Nuff said.)

      • natoslug

        Depending on where they’re growing, and my mood that day, I often just let them grow so the bees will be happy. But I don’t like the way they kill everything around them. Plus, sometimes it’s nice to have a little variety besides rye grass, dandelions, dockweed and buttercups.

  • bookish

    Somehow they just can’t be specific.

    http://nbcnews.to/2tY2FAm

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    Seems to me that at some point they should have figured out if anti-drug PSA’s worked they wouldn’t have had to make 166 of them.

    • Wild Cat

      It’s an industry closely related to the prison-industrial complex. They know it doesn’t work. They’re just grifting our tax $$$.

      Tax-and-incarcerate Republicans!!!

      Fivolous tax-and-incarcerate Republicans!!!

    • Swampay

      If measurable results mattered to Republicans our current political landscape would be a lot different.

  • Bitter Scribe

    “Just Say No” was the useless brainchild of the useless wife of the most useless president ever. (At least until our current Electoral College President came along.)

    • OrG

      Really? You rate w over raygun?

      • Bitter Scribe

        In terms of overall, lasting destructiveness, yes. Reagan was the one who put a sunny, genial face on the crass greed and racism that will characterize the Republican Party until it disintegrates. He (actually, his handlers) had the evil genius to form a coalition of exploitative businessmen and racists who shared one thing: dislike of the federal government for interfering with their efforts to abuse people.

        • OutOfOrbit

          Oh they don’t wanna abuse peeps, they just donut want us to have anything…ESPECIALLY nice things.

        • Rags

          And turned Catholics with anti abortion.

      • Bill Diaz

        W did far less damage to our nation, hard as that is to believe…

        It was in the Reagan years that the John Birch Society and their beliefs entered the Republican mainstream.

        Have a great day!

    • Wild Cat

      Lord knows, beyond her blow-job brilliance, how much brilliant blow she did in Hollywood and elsewhere.

      Say no to Astrology!

      • Ill-Advised

        Astrology works just fine. Fortune-telling and fake prophecies, not so much! Nancy Reagan and Linda Goodman don’t help.

    • Doug Langley

      Actually, it ended the entire drug problem overnight!

      http://www.theonion.com/graphic/march-28-1983-10600

    • Serai 1

      Well, they had to do something to turn the blame for the drug epidemic off themselves.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Useless except for that lapdance she gave Mr. T.
      http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/GTY_Reagan_MrT1_MEM_160311_4x3_992.jpg

  • William
  • Vagenda and Pee-ara
    • Phoenixdoglover

      I would like two brains over easy, hash browns, bacon, and a large orange juice, please.

      • AJ Milne
      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        I was hung over a year ago when I was staying with my BFF in California. We were walking to the local diner and he said to me “look to your left.” I looked right, and he said “NO, your OTHER left.” Then we get to the diner, and I said to the waitress “I’d like my bacon crispy, and can you toast my whole wheat toast?” I immediately realized my mistake and said “uhh…you were probably already going to toast the toast, weren’t you?” Later than night I realized I’d been wearing my underwear with one leg through the waistband. My BFF’s comment was “does your mom know what a special child she raised?”

        • proudgrampa

          Well I, for one, think you ARE special!

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            Hey, I’ll take it! I’m glad I have ONE person in my corner!

    • wait! what?

      Oh, sure. Eat that and a half hour later you’ll be walking around in circles mumbling “I can’t believe I’m not butter. “

    • Rags

      Excellent! Think I’ll try this the next time I am at Denny’s. i. e. never.

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    All of a sudden, I’m having a crazy desire to listen to jazz music and sleep with white women.

    • OutOfOrbit

      Hey, Are you okay?

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        I. Can’t. Stop. Laughing. Maniacally.

    • Wild Cat

      I just did some Kush, read all of Franz Fanon’s works, and I’m going out wilding.

    • natoslug

      Oh fuck, I must have gotten high in my sleep!

      • AJ Milne

        Apparently I’ve been high for like 30 years.

  • 3FingerPete
    • GreenGoldSharpie

      Everytime I see Andy Dick I laugh and think of him reading mean tweets on Jimmy Kimmel.

      “Is it my turn to punch Andy Dick until there’s bones in his stool?”

  • data_ninja

    Pinging a computer outside of your network is a gateway drug.

    • Vincent Ricola

      Coming down off the ping is a nightmare. The packet shakes are debilitating.

      • data_ninja

        Yeah, they’ll usually put you in a time out.

        Tracert is the newer street drug, but cops have been able to follow it back to the sources.

  • Fartknocker

    Because of my job I am subject to one or two whiz quizzes annually to ensure I am not on a DEA Schedule I or II substance, which includes marijuana. However, that doesn’t stop Mrs. Fartknocker from having an apparent good source for something called kush and smoking it a couple of times a week. She has figured out that if you tax it in Texas it would solve all the school financing issues. So smoke it if you got it. If it was legalized the narcs could spend all the time to eradicate heroin, meth, cheese, K2 and all the other obnoxious and deadly shit. Also, fuck Jeff Sessions.

  • MisterShoebox

    I was actually forced to go to DARE classes when I was in fifth grade. To say that they were boring was an understatement, especially because we had a little booklet about how “Tagging and marijuana and cigarettes are baaaad. How would YOU say no?” We got points taken off if we didn’t say no in a family-approved, wholesome manner.

    One example I thought was hilarious was about a tennis player in high school who was a chain-smoker, but it didn’t seem to affect his game or his grades in any way, yet he was caught smoking and STILL not allowed to play. I just…if it wasn’t affecting his grades and he wasn’t doing it on school grounds, why the hell wasn’t he allowed to play tennis?

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      People under the age of consent should have restrictions on activities that impair judgment, cause intoxication, or are known health risks. There is something to be said for the idea that you haven’t developed the cognitive ability, let alone the life experience, to make decisions about engaging in behaviors that are potentially harmful to self or others. If the kid knew that there would be a punishment for engaging in the behavior, but did it anyway either he didn’t care about the things he was denied, or he didn’t have the maturity to understand that he would be punished.

  • azeyote

    they also encouraged kids to rat on their parents which made for all kinds of problems when the kid couldn’t get something they wanted –

  • proudgrampa

    Jeff Sessions is a fuckweasel. End of story.

    • GreenGoldSharpie

      That sounds… absolutely horrible for sexy times.

      • The Wanderer

        Weasels rip my flesh! RZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

  • Bill Diaz

    I really love the one with the surgeons, lol. My research required me to do neurosurgery on 21 day old weanling rats who weighed about the same as my last bag of weed (15-20g). Part of my daily routine involved meal time doses of Jamaican Appetite Enhancer, especially on days where there were 10 or more surgeries to do (~45 min each).

    What I couldnt tolerate (as a surgeon) and wouldnt recommend was coffee before procedures, but you would never see them make an ad about that, lol.

    Have a great day!

  • Michael R
    • The Wanderer

      I believe I saw a news film that had a fine white fellow waxing irritated about “kids today” playing that “N— Bop Music” and falling into lives of drugs, vice and crime.
      But then I heard that people thought the same thing about the waltz.

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara
  • Sedagive ’em Hell

    I don’t trust anyone who hasn’t sampled (if not fallen in love with) hallucinogens. They are the most fun you can have while laughing at a grapefruit.

    • GreenGoldSharpie

      Mmmm, I did my share of LSD and mushrooms back in my teens. :-D

      • MisterShoebox

        How long did you spend staring at a sock because it held the untold wonders of the universe? For me it was like thirty minutes.

        I kind of wish I had written things down, but all I got was some really dirty Gargoyles fanfic and a drawing of an evil pie.

        • GreenGoldSharpie

          My favorite was trying to play pool in a friend’s basement.

          In retrospect, it was damned hilarious.

          Edit: Another good story is when a friend and I decided we were going to write a thinly veiled cncept death metal album about Mario kart told from Diddy Kong’s perspective.

          • proudgrampa

            Was there even a pool table there?

          • GreenGoldSharpie

            There was!

            I don’t think we played correctly, though. ;-)

        • Sedagive ’em Hell

          I actually tape-recorded some of our fascinating conversations that revealed the meaning of life, the universe and everything.

          In the cold light of morning: just a lot of silence and giggling.

        • SisterArtemis

          I watched a stick of incense burn for an hour one time while peaking on acid. Just watching the shape and ever-changing form of the smoke as curled up, and up, and up… beautiful, mesmerizing, and the images have stayed with me for 35+ years. I couldn’t do it for an hour now (without the drug assist) but do still enjoy watching smoke curl and move from time to time.

          I dropped acid every weekend the summer before getting pregnant with my daughter. I only did it twice after that (large due to childcare issues, since I needed her to be with someone else, and there weren’t a lot of folks I trusted), and then quit altogether when you couldn’t ensure that the “acid” wasn’t just an unpleasant strychnine and speed cocktail (strychnine in small quantities is a mild hallucinogen; not sure what the speed was supposed to do).

      • Sedagive ’em Hell

        Then you are solid my friend.

        I did plenty while in my early 20s; NYC clubland was just that much more fabulous.

    • bookish

      There’s been interesting new research on how experiences with certain hallucinogens can benefit people suffering from PTSD, depression, and possibly other mood and cognitive disorders that I can’t remember now. I’m not sure anyone has defined the exact mechanism of how those hallucinogenic experiences help.

      • Sedagive ’em Hell

        I’m familiar with mushrooms as therapy for terminal cancer patients. I think it’s a great idea.

        I’ve been diagnosed a few times, and I’ve had several courses of chemo. It is easy to obsess over the treatment, and to become wildly depressed. Mushrooms free the mind from dwelling on the discomfort and the more clinical, alienating aspects of the treatment. They allow the mind to expand to a better place.

        LSD, however, would be an unending nightmare in such a situation.

        • SisterArtemis

          I’m not sure that’s true, particularly in smaller doses. I’d have to poke around the interwebs to get the links, but in either the late 50s or early 60s, there were some studies done with both terminal patients and autistic kids, and mild doses helped in both situations for a large number of the people.

          • Sedagive ’em Hell

            I actually stopped dropping acid after my first cancer diagnosis; it led my mind down too many dark, dark alleys.

            Then again: I was taking unregulated amounts of who-knows-what, probably cut with speed.

        • bookish

          Your experiences would make a great addition to the Erowid vault o’ knowledge.

          https://www.erowid.org/

    • Toledo Window Box

      Reality is for people who can’t handle drugs.

    • Serai 1

      I’ve never been that fond of them. I don’t like the lack of control. Also, nausea isn’t my idea of a good time. I do love MDMA, though. Now THAT’S a drug I can get behind!

      • Sedagive ’em Hell

        Sooo much fun.

        I did some a few years ago with a few friends after many years of abstinence, and it wasn’t really all that. I think my MDMA days may be over.

        • Serai 1

          Haven’t had any in a long time. I’d love to dose again. My best drug experiences were with MDMA. Easy to see why a religion formed around it.

          Also, were you doing MDMA or MDA? There’s a difference. The good stuff is MDMA.

          • Sedagive ’em Hell

            It was MDMA (in shiny, crystal form).

            Then again: it was sitting around for quite a while, and we just kind of crunched a little bit between our teeth. We might not have taken enough to get more than a little confused.

            A (younger) friend of mine is a total wild-woman. She wants to rent a cabin in the dessert with a bunch of like-minded witchy-women and go nuts: hallucinogens and howling at the moon.

            Of course I’m in : )

          • Serai 1

            Oh, I remember doing Ex at the beach in Santa Cruz. Campfire, drum circle, the full moon. Such wonderfulness. I turned two of my friends onto it that way. At one point, I lived in a house about two blocks from the beach. I would dose, take a long warm bath with incense and candles and trance music, then dance in my garden under the moonlight, and then walk down to the beach to dance there. It was the closest to heaven I ever got. Well, aside from dosing before going to drum with my teacher for the local belly-dance troupe. THAT was a true religious experience (not kidding) – playing music for a procession of glorious goddesses dancing before us.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Contraindicated for those with preexisting psychiatric disorders. See relevant entries under Wilson, Brian; Trudeau, Margaret; and Barrett, Syd. Only Trudeau’s mother more or less fully recovered. Syd died in an insane asylum and Brian has never bounced back to his prior self.

  • natoslug

    Okay, enough time slacking with you degenerates — some of us have chores to get to. Those weeds aren’t going to pull themselves, and nobody else in this house wants to plant my stupid fig trees for me.

  • proudgrampa

    What is most infuriating to me is that the WHOLE administration, from Fuckweasel-in-Chief through the entire cabinet is TOTALLY ILLEGITIMATE.

    Any laws signed, any enforcement programs begun, any judges appointed HAVE NO FUCKING LEGITIMACY. NONE.

    I’m going back to watch my tomatoes grow.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fe7cdc06f8800f6d5c28c0a2ee305eb72c1dbd5ae58866a546c9b5be4cc325b9.jpg

    • bookish

      They’re in great shape. Beautiful.

      • proudgrampa

        Thanks! Daily watching over them helps (helps my blood pressure, also. Too).

        • Serai 1

          Nothing like gardening to calm one’s soul.

          • proudgrampa

            Indeed.

    • Michael R
      • SisterArtemis

        oh, you are eeeevvviiiiiilllllll!!!!!!

    • Toledo Window Box

      Amen. The entire campaign must be disqualified – they cheated – BIGLY. Give it to the runner-up, who by the way GOT WAY MORE VOTES.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      You have magic rocks with electrical outlets!

      • proudgrampa

        Shhhh. No one is supposed to know! ;-)

  • BadKitty904

    As an American citizen, taxpayer, and voter, I’m much more concerned about those who deliberately perjure themselves before Congress and conspire to commit treason.

  • Vincent Ricola

    In 4th grade, we had to watch one of those anti-drug videos that thoroughly explained how Eric Clapton, Boston, and other famous musicians were singing about DRUGS and it was BAD and don’t get brainwashed by the music and grow up to BE LIKE THEM. Our entire class spent the week after the presentation taking turns singing “smokin” and “cocaine” into a post on the playground to practice for our future rock star careers. It was highly ineffective messaging.

    • Toledo Window Box

      It’s kinda hard to convince somebody not to take drugs after you explain to them that some of the greatest music ever produced involved those very drugs.

    • Three Finger Salute

      To play devil’s advocate, though, didn’t Brad Delp commit suicide and Eric Clapton reveal himself to be a racist asshole who neglected his kid falling out a window? Brian Wilson was an undiagnosed schizophrenic who went full-blown bonkers after dropping acid, and then of course there’s the infamous 27 Club. Even Miley Cyrus has gone straight-edge now. I wouldn’t say rock stars or celebrities in general are a very good example of anything to be followed.

      In fact, my humble opinion is that celebrity culture is actually harming the movement for sensible and realistic legalization efforts.Elvis may have died from impacted bowels due to painkillers despite joining the D.E.A., and of course we know about Prince and Michael Jackson’s casualties from legal sedatives and tranquilizers, while Willie Nelson is still tokin’ strong at 80. But rock stars are outliers who shouldn’t be held up as role models any more than other famous people are.

      Snoop Doggy Dogg making dumb rap videos about the kush and tweeting “O Cannabis!” when Trudeau announced the legalization bill, is no different from Lucille Ball glamorizing Philip Morris if you ask me. If it wasn’t for celebrities and the stoner culture in general, cannabis might just be marketed as another natural-health thing like kale or aloe vera if it was presented in a respectable manner by doctors and other health professionals.

      • Vincent Ricola

        That’s fair and a discussion that reasonable people could agree is important.

        But using famous musicians at the height of their fame, before any suicides and kids falling out of windows, as examples of what not to do to a bunch of 4th grade kids is idiotic. “Don’t do what this beloved and rich and famous and extremely talented person is doing because you may also turn out to be beloved and rich and famous and extremely talented” is a hilariously bad way to approach children about drug use.

        And as far as stoner culture goes, it’s movies like Reefer Madness and all the other propaganda PSAs that created that culture. I don’t blame stoners throughout history for fighting back against it by mocking the faux-seriousness by using the stereotypes for their own message. This is a method that works, as proven by the relaxed public view on weed in the past 40 years.

        I also don’t lump drugs like Propofol or Phenobarbitol into the same category as marijuana, so Michael Jackson or Elvis abusing prescription drugs doesn’t factor into my thinking.

        • Three Finger Salute

          Kids should be educated about logical reasoning, though, like outlier fallacies and correlation not being causation. For instance, just because Steve Jobs dropped acid in the ’70s and became a billionaire computer magnate doesn’t mean that everyone who drops acid will become a billionaire computer magnate. He simply flourished at the right place and right time. I don’t know if Wozniak ever did any drugs (I don’t doubt it, though), but Woz was arguably the better programmer and the real “geek” of the dynamic duo, while Jobs was the more telegenic and charismatic salesman who successfully leveraged his immersion in the counterculture to build something that was, arguably, about as capitalistic and “establishment” as you can get.

          Trump, meanwhile, proclaims to be a teetotaler. He’s also a lecherous, racist asshole who abuses women and his own employees. Might he be a nicer person if he smoked a bowl? We’ll never know. Jobs was an asshole too (and, as demonstrated above, something of a sellout), but nowhere near as bad of one (let alone dangerous) as Trump. The use or non-use of drugs didn’t really play a part in their respective successes in the business world (or had any effect on their personalities, apparently). So kids should definitely be taught the value of the phrase “your mileage may vary.”

          And I think we can all agree on the fact that the discussion should be as civilized and replete with facts as this Wonk thread rather than the fear-based propaganda of Sessions and the religion industry.

  • bookish

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/15/why-would-the-gop-want-to-pass-a-hugely-unpopular-health-care-bill-lets-debate/?utm_term=.91da9efb492a

    Given that the [Senate healthcare] bill is polling about as well as Vladimir Putin right now — and two Republican senators have already come out against it, meaning one more would kill the bill — I was intrigued by this argument. Why is it that Republicans would be better off passing something that’s hugely unpopular and that the Congressional Budget Office says would reduce the number of insured Americans by 20-plus million than they would be by just doing nothing?

    So I asked Holmes to submit to an email exchange, which he graciously agreed to. I have to warn you all, though, that we’re both Minnesotans, so this exchange gets pretty heated at times. One of us almost says “darn.”

    • Canis Greyhame

      They shouldn’t underestimate the popularity of Vladimir Putin among conservatives. I think he’s got about a 5-10 point lead over Trumpcare.
      http://www.gallup.com/poll/204191/putin-image-rises-mostly-among-republicans.aspx

    • Toledo Window Box

      This “one more will kill the bill” gives Senators enormous leverage. I’m sure Sean Hannity will be mortified at all the “cornhusker kickbacks” about to be added…

    • Serai 1

      That’s making my head hurt. Does he honestly not understand why passing a bill that would devastate the majority of the GOP base would be bad for the party? Really? He does know that congressmen have to be VOTED in, right?

  • William
  • chiefkurtz
    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      My mom used to clean our house fanatically while she was high on prescription speed. She loved it, and the house was super clean.

      Also, that shit about smoking weed on the beach sounds pretty good.

      • Shanzgood

        My mom used to let me get high from the time I was 2 until about 14. Our house was always clean.

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          What did you get high on when you were 2? My mom did NOT share her speed.

          • Shanzgood

            Just weed. I stopped smoking when my parents did when the “war on drugs” came along. Kinda sad, really. I drink a lot more alcohol now than I should simply because it’s legal when really weed would do better, less damaging things for me as far as self-medication goes.

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            I would also like to go back to smoking pot, but I have a job that requires drug testing, so I can’t smoke at all. I used to like to drink, but I’ve kind of given that up, since it just makes me sleepy now.

          • Shanzgood

            Yeah, same. I’m in construction and looking for a job and the piss quiz is pretty much mandatory to get hired and then given randomly. It’s sad that people can’t use weed on their “off” time without showing up positive but sober a week later and still get fired but folks can go in hung over a day later and still keep their jobs.

          • tehbaddr

            Do a stack before you drink. Coffee , aspirin, and pseudoephedrine. With the booze it’s like a legal speedball! Fun!?

      • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

        They used to hand that shit out like candy. I was overweight as a child, and had an MD give me a prescription for it when I was 8 years old, along with an 800 calorie /day diet.

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          Yeah, that’s why my mom was taking it, for weight loss. Prescription speed was the most prescribed drug of all time. I took it a few times before they outlawed in the 1970s, and I found it to be delightful. However, it wasn’t good to take it for the long term, since it could cause psychosis. Don’t take drugs, kids!

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      How long after this PSA was made did this woman die of lung cancer?

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    From the latest Trump unpopularity poll:
    “But the people who matter most to Trump are sticking with him, with 82 percent of GOP voters approving of his performance. (Among independents, it’s a dismal 32 percent.) He still does well among white evangelical Protestants (61 percent approval) and white men without a college degree (55 percent). Trump’s handling of the economy also isn’t a disaster: 43 percent approve of it compared to 41 percent who disapprove and 16 percent who are unsure. And the partisan split on the Russia issue has grown even more extreme, with a mere nine percent of Republicans now believing that the Trump campaign helped Vladimir Putin influence the 2016 election. Overall, only 60 percent of Americans believe Russia tried to meddle at all, illustrating the power of partisan news media to deflect the findings of several U.S. intelligence agencies.

    Still, given that Trump has yet had to negotiate a serious foreign crisis, natural disaster, or economic emergency, it’s hard to spin much of this poll as good news — not that the president could possibly resist trying.”

    Note that Trump hasn’t done shit to the economy. This is still Obama’s economy, and will be for the next year or two, until Republicans do something really stupid to fuck it up, like they always do.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/poll-trump-historically-unpopular-at-six-month-mark.html

    • Michael R

      It takes years to know what effect a nitwit has on the economy ,
      everyone has forgotten 2008 .

      • jesterpunk

        Republicans where really effective in blaming Obama for 2008 and the bad response to Katrina. Well for 2008 they blamed both Obama and the people who lost their houses and savings when the banks crashed.

      • Serai 1

        Really? No one I know has forgotten it. We’re still dealing with the ramifications.

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          Republicans weren’t affected, because most of them are on Social Security, or they’re still working their government jobs.

          • Serai 1

            Ohohoho, LOL. A LOT of them lost their life savings and retirement funds. That crisis did not discriminate by party. It only spared the super rich.

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            I don’t know any Republicans who lost money. The rich ones I know actually came out great since the stock market rebounded so hard under Obama, and the middle class Republicans I know all have government jobs. I’m sure there were some Republicans who were affected, but I haven’t met any.

    • Serai 1

      I always suspected that when the Antichrist showed up, the fundies would applaud and idolize him. They’re so fucking gullible.

      • AJ Milne

        I’ve heard a few voices shocked there were fundies went for Trump…

        … not me, in retrospect.

        I mean, hell, he’s a leering, lying, overweight, bragging white asshole in an ill-fitting but pricey suit, and a more than slightly ridiculous haircut. And he’s on television.

        … they probably just figure him for another faith healer. Or possibly the pastor of their megachurch.

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          It’s somewhat shocking to think that Trump never got in to the church grift. It’s one of the best, most lucrative long cons, and he’s perfect for it.

        • bookish

          That was a fine wicked burn.

        • 3FingerPete

          You left out the infidelity and greed. He could be a Swaggart.

  • Nockular cavity

    The only correct response to Jeff Sessions is “Shut the fuck up, you perjuring, treasonous Klansman.”

  • Serai 1

    I remember ineffective drug education crap. We used to laugh our asses off at it. Somewhere in my stuff I still have a scare tactic pamphlet I was given in the 70’s about marijuana. Even back then we knew it was complete bullshit.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      “Boys who smoke pot will get breasts!!!”

      Not one boy I smoked pot with grew a set of breasts. Disappointing.

  • memzilla Ω
    • The Wanderer

      I’ve seen video of that. NBC News ended a program with it.

    • Thiazin Red

      So the area that the yoga takes place in is covered with goat shit? Pass.

    • AJ Milne

      Always wondered why goats always seem so relaxed.

    • BloviateMe

      Vegan goat butt holes in a place of business? This should start a flame war.

    • William

      Some time ago as I was signing in at the front desk at the gym, the attendant pointed to the class schedule and asked. “Hey Bill, do you think you might like Yoga?” I replied “who doesn’t like a bear that wears a hat and a tie”? She left me along after that.

      • mancityRed6

        “that little green guy in star wars?”

  • IT’S ANOTHER ONE FANCY PANTS PLANET OF SOME APES MOVIE GET YOUR DIRTY PAWS OFFA ZIRA POST

    Who said it better that Cornelius quoting The Law Giver?

    Not a single Damned Dirty Ape eye was dry…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8htpob_WU0

    • Serai 1

      Pretty ironic to have a chimpanzee reading that aloud.

  • Between this and the Dear Shit For Brains column, I’m gonna need a bigger drink. Speaking of which, I wonder if Jeff drinks bourbon.

    • AJ Milne

      Oh, mercy, no…

      … that’s there’s a gateway to mint juleps.

      • mancityRed6

        Just ask Lindsey

  • Goposaur

    Dear baby jesus, please use your bibul magick and put Jeff on the side of a milk carton.

    Thank you

    The commentary above is an artistic work of fiction and a falsehood.
    Only a fool would take it as fact.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Maureen was a 60-year-old recovering alcoholic with a Boston accent you could drive a truck through.

    To be fair, it’s usually only the owner of the accent through whom I wish to drive that truck.

  • DainBramage
  • Jennifer R

    Teaching kids to be narcs is how you get leaks jeff.

  • Serai 1
  • memzilla Ω
  • BloviateMe
    • jesterpunk

      That sounds like the kind of weekends they make movie trilogies about.

    • jaspersdad

      My ex made a habit of this.

  • Lori

    “You go into the school for 90 minutes and deliver information,” said DeLeon. “It’s got to be captivating. It’s got to be engaging. It’s got to be believable and then it’s got to be
    entertaining.”

    It seems quite telling that he says the information has to be believable, but not that it has to be accurate.

    • Hemp Dogbane

      Truthy, in other words.

  • William

    In all seriousness, don’t you think a person who has lied under oath in front of the entire world has lost his right to be a moral compass to anyone? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ee7663589d9986db905cfc6cfddfec923c29702d6a486fc61dcd8c0881d9bba.jpg

  • Ms.MLG on Maui

    That strong cup of coffee you have today is inevitably an 8 ball of crystal meth tomorrow.

    • BloviateMe

      I always suspected Juan Valdez was stuffing his burro’s butt with the good stuff. One load of coffee beans on one donkey isn’t enough for a decent living.

    • AJ Milne

      … which is why you should always finish your coffee…

      … or, at least, if you don’t, _don’t_ leave it out overnight…

      (… unless, I guess, you want to get into dealing.)

    • jesterpunk

      But coffee helps you live longer.

  • BigCSouthside

    I’d rather my kid smoke weed recreationally than drink recreationally like I do

  • tehbaddr

    C’mere kid, try this, the first ones on me. Never said by any pusher.

    • mancityRed6

      and I was promised it would happen, too.
      dammit.

      • tehbaddr

        Right, actually had to buy them bags of shwag weed back in the day, for like $5!

        • mancityRed6

          I was paying $105 an ounce in Joplin in ’99. it was going for $60 south of Austin.

          • tehbaddr

            Pot head!

          • mancityRed6

            that ounce lasted me the entire month. and that was me smoking whenever I was awake. even at work. and it beat trying to track down 1/8 oz bags on the weekend.

    • Jennifer R

      One summer I did know some hippies that would extend credit.

      • tehbaddr

        That’s called “front”. To be paid later, and pay you will when you start to wear patchouli and follow the Dead!

  • sw19covfefe
    • TJ Barke

      Alex Jones has fallen so far…

      • Jennifer R

        You would have to do the volume of drugs Hicks did to believe anything Jones has to say.

        • TJ Barke

          I was referring to the conspiracy theory that AJ is secretly Bill Hicks.

  • President in Exile Firefly

    It’s udderly ridiculous to claim that pot is a gateway drug. After all, every heroin addict started out by drinking milk.

  • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

    The War on Drugs is the biggest shame in American history. Thanks, racist Nixon. ffs!

    • TJ Barke

      No, just the current biggest shame in America.

      • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

        Well, yeah but it’s also still an extension of slavery. Just look at the demographic that gets mandatory minimums most often.

    • ariel_gee_398

      But a pretty decent band, all things considered. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsoqmFL1vlU

    • Serai 1

      I take it you haven’t seen who’s occupying the White House these days.

  • jesterpunk
  • Resistance Fighter Astraea

    OT and days late but you guys I really love Kesha

    https://youtu.be/v-Dur3uXXCQ

    • OutOfOrbit

      Stop breathing so hard! You’re steaming up the windows!

  • Three Finger Salute

    I ended up a teetotaler, but it wasn’t because of D.A.R.E. It’s because I have a painful family history of mental illness and substance abuse and grew up with an alcoholic father. His mother, in turn, was a “chain drinker” who’d open up another can before even finishing the first one. His brother had schizophrenia who ended up going out to California to “find himself” (away from the toxic family environment), with every drug in the book, but got lost and ended up dying of a heroin-induced heart attack after jumping out the window of a top floor of a mental institution and basically committing suicide with drugs to finish what he’d started. His other brother, also a drinker but not as severe, had a daughter a few years younger than I am, who also suffered from depression and died of an intentional overdose a couple years ago.

    There’s an old saying that “you marry your (parent)” (and not in an Alabama way). The psychological term is assortive mating. My mother’s father was also a drunk and she got, I guess, used to drunks being around, which is a big part of why she ended up with my father. All of his brothers were drunks, their kids (so her cousins) drunks, his father a drunk… Nothing but drunkards all over the place. So to this day I have never taken a sip of alcohol and vowed never to do so. I fear what pot or anything else for that matter would do to my already damaged upstairs and have sworn that off too.

    So I guess you could say I had my own DIY version of “Scared Straight” happening at home. Suffice it to say, however, the fear of going to prison is another thing that kept me away from it. Even if I’d had a stable home life, I probably wouldn’t smoke pot anyway, because I really, really don’t want to end up behind bars.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Watching my grandma die slowly and painfully from emphysema due to her pack a day habit was enough to convince me never to smoke.

      • Jennifer R

        Yeah it’s not that great really.

        • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

          It’s never seemed all that fun. Plus it was hellaciously expensive even when I was in high school and college due to all the taxes.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Heck, watching my mother get slapped around by my father was enough to convince me never to get married…

    • Serai 1

      There’s an old saying that “you marry your (parent)” (and not in an Alabama way).

      That amuses me, since I’ve never been attracted to any guy who resembled my father in any way. Last thing I need is a guy like that in my life. No, thank you!

  • Ezio

    It’s a “war on drugs” when it comes to minority communities being effected, but when it’s white communities, it’s an “opioid epidemic”.

    • Lori

      And in rich white communities it doesn’t get any label at all because it’s not a police issue.

    • Ms.MLG on Maui

      Poor white people need compassion and treatment. Poor brown people need prison, or to be shot by law enforcement. It’s so clear.

    • OutOfOrbit

      An obvious observation that I had not thinked. Me toopid.

    • Shanzgood

      Not all of the whites care. There are officers who refuse to carry and use the life-saving antidote for opoid overdose on anyone at all.

      I read this recently but can’t find the link.

      • jesterpunk
        • Shanzgood

          Thank you. I think that’s the one I read.

      • Serai 1

        Jesus, that is seriously fucked up. “To protect and to serve”, my ASS.

        • data_ninja

          It’s the latest craze here in Ohio. As the link above shows, this is in Cincinnati Ohio. There is also mentioning of a councilman in a more central city of Ohio is complaining that it costs too much. The Ohio Attorney General is suing opioid manufacturers, which seems too little too late. That or it’s just a ploy since he’s running for Governors office, again. He’s in competition against John “Don’t let them vote!” Husted and the current Lt. Governor Mary Taylor.

          • Serai 1

            Oh, well, Ohio. Not surprising.

        • Moar Wordz

          How about to ” Crush & Oppress ?”

      • Notreelyhelping

        The “it just encourages them to do more drugs” and “they’re just going to die anyway” arguments? It’s like a passive-aggressive version of the “kill ’em all and let God sort it out” approach that has made us so beloved worldwide.

        • Shanzgood

          I guess he wants to close down all rhe ERs as well?

          • Notreelyhelping

            Not to good, God-fearin’ white folk.

        • YoBunnyBunny

          In a writing class I took last fall, there was a young lady who wrote about her struggles with heroin addiction. In one of her pieces she wrote about how her mother made a habit of always checking on her if she was too quiet for too long in her bedroom or bathroom. You know, just checking to see if her daughter has OD’d or not.

          So when I hear all the anti-antidote BS, I think to myself–“Yeah, when they OD, just tell their mothers, sisters, daughters, spouses that their lives could have easily been saved but you didn’t bother because FUCK ‘EM, right?”

          And people aren’t OD’ing for shits and giggles. The potency is oftentimes unknown, and if someone needs a hit–cause withdrawal ain’t just a glorified chocolate craving–you use what you can get access to, even if it’s strong enough to kill an elephant but you don’t know that.

    • data_ninja

      My de facto go-to for racial differences in reporting: Hurricane Katrina’s Looting versus Finding.

    • Well, 12 year old boys of colour are ScArY adults while Donny Jr is just a young man at 39 fucking years old…

  • sosuume
    • mancityRed6

      you pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and then you run like hell because you’ve got drugs. hell yes!

      • Jennifer R

        Yeah, how often do you get free drugs.

        • mancityRed6

          I moved into my new apartment in Lawrence (’07). the first morning back from work, I pulled into the parking lot and found a decent dime bag literally at my feet.

          • Jennifer R

            Hah, well damn son!

          • mancityRed6

            I looked around and dropped my keys.
            then I stuffed a towel under the front door.

          • Jennifer R

            Yeah I decided as a small child that anytime I spotted anything on the ground that looked like I would want it to step over it and tie my shoe while palming the item.

          • Serai 1

            A few years ago, I was cleaning out my car and found an eighth among the trash in the back seat. Could’a knocked me over with a feather!

          • Jennifer R

            That is carpetweed to the nth degree good fuck!

          • mancityRed6

            first thing I did when I got the step stool, look on top of the kitchen cabinets.

          • Serai 1

            For a while, I used to hide weed bags in my books. (Did that with $20 bills, too.) I usually remembered where they were, but now and then I wouldn’t, and then later I’d get a nice surprise!

          • mancityRed6

            I did that with money in my winter coats. it’s nice finding a $20 when you least expected it.

      • Jamoche

        Oh, no, I know how this movie ends – the drug’s rightful owners come after you, and like the Wrath of Khan, they hit everyone around you but not you. And you can’t go to the cops, because they’re in on it.

        • mancityRed6

          I don’t have that many friends, so good luck with that.

          • Jamoche

            Pets? They’re especially fond of going after pets.

          • mancityRed6

            one cat is 15, the other is a dick. I’ll shed a tear, but…meh. besides, I’ll have drugs.

        • Serai 1

          Shit yeah. There’s that guy who just murdered FOUR customers because he didn’t like the way the dope deal went down.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      I picture a crowd of Murrikans on our side of the border, waiting like the crowd at a baseball game,and fighting over the bag like it was Hank Aaron’s 700th homerun ball.

      • BoatOfVelociraptors

        Nah. They’re just going to get a truck, put a Fifi booster on it, create a private darknet on one side of the wall. You bust out your app, connect to the pirvate darknet, transfer the btc, and a drone flies your order out to you.

        • Jennifer R

          There are some dispensaries in the Bay looking to have the exact same system setup. Except with money.

          • BoatOfVelociraptors

            Sounds like a perfect art car.

          • Jennifer R

            They might have gotten away with it if eazeup had practiced any standards at all whatsoever. But no, it was uber for weed when the legal framework still required medical authorisation.

    • Wookie Monster

      Just a thought, but wouldn’t the drug smugglers throwing bags of drugs over the wall have someone working for them on the other side ready to catch them? I mean, it’s not like they’d just leave them there for the coyotes.*

      *The four legged kind.

      • Serai 1

        Yeah, that doesn’t make sense to me, either. But then again, consider the source.

  • mancityRed6

    *watches meth ad*
    now, I’ve only done it a few times. I didn’t shoot up like one person I knew, and I only smoked it maybe twice.
    did I get a lot of energy? oh hell yes. but I think the most constructive thing I’ve ever done was to alphabetize my cd collection. the rest of the time, it was spent playing video games, or….let’s just say “other things”
    I don’t think I’ve ever known anyone to do meth and do something productive or even useful.

    • Shanzgood

      I felt like that when I did coke the one time, except it was a much shorter period of time and I thought “well, I can get this cheaper from coffee and enjoy it a lot better without feeling like I’m going to have a heart attack.”

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Tried it back in the day, when it was called “crank”. Most addictive thing I’ve ever tried…when I finally quit grinding my teeth, I immediately wanted more. I ran into the dude I got it from a few months later…some guys had stolen his (considerable) stash for their own use. He was laughing because within a month their lives had gone to shit and they were homeless…shitbag schadenfreude. Reaffirmed my decision that this was not a life I wanted to be anywhere close to.

      • mancityRed6

        I never paid for any of it. one girl I knew gave me a bump a couple of times, another girl smoked some with me because she had to be up all night for something with school and didn’t want to do it alone.
        hell, I never had the urge to even ask about it or getting some.

      • Jennifer R

        Yeah my meth story was my partners and I were visiting one of their girlfriends in the other side of the state, helping her and hes husband move. She was pretty badly addicted and couldn’t go two consecutive sentences without lying about how much meth they were using or the method they were taking it. Really a big turn off for a drug that already looked boring as fuck.

      • Serai 1

        Yeah, I’m lucky that I find it easy to stay away from something I’ve tried and didn’t like. I guess I’m among the 50% that can try opiates and not get hooked, thank the Goddess.

  • Jennifer R

    Smoked meth once when I lived in Arkansas. It was a pretty garbage drug, I sat around for six hours feeling agitated and anxious and I couldn’t sleep. It was everything I take drugs to get away from but intensified.

    • Sedagive ’em Hell

      How awful.

      I’ve never dabbled in anything that speeds you up. As you say: that’s what I’m trying to get away from.

      • Shanzgood

        Ditto. I lived with a hyperactive thyroid for many years. I like to chill out.

      • Jennifer R

        The only exception is methylenedioxy methylamphetamine. But that is because the empathogen part of it is super goddamn powerful.

        Who knew someone who is spectrum enjoys a drug that helps them process and feel emotions.

        • Shanzgood

          What’s that? The only new one I like any more now (because it doesn’t stay in your system) is what’s called “poppers” or “rush”.

          • BoatOfVelociraptors

            Mdma.

          • Jennifer R

            MDMA is the active ingredient in ecstasy. And poppers are old as hell. Amyl nitrite or butyl nitrite, depending on the legality of Amyl. Same basic mechanism as NO2, not actually psychoactive but replaces the oxygen in your brain momentarily.

          • BoatOfVelociraptors

            Check your erowid. Nitrous oxide selectively blocks synapses.

          • Jennifer R

            Welp, everyday I learn more and know less.

          • BoatOfVelociraptors

            Well, I stopped keeping up after all of the 2c series analogues started popping up…

          • Jennifer R

            Some of those were kinda interesting. Not LSD interesting, but not the worst thing. Maybe not that 2c-i (I think it was i, it was the 2c that kills you if you take a couple extra milligrams, only drug I have ever tossed out).

          • BoatOfVelociraptors

            2-ct-7 was the famously lethal one.

          • Jennifer R

            YES 2c-t. A friend gave me 20mg of 2c-t and I poured 50ml of grain alcohol into a bottle and dissolved it in for volumetric dosing.

          • BoatOfVelociraptors

            Turns out that is the trick for AMT as well. Someone tried in water and the results were… Random?

          • Jennifer R

            Well it is important to know if your substance dissolves in a polar or a non polar liquid. Uneven in water? Then it isn’t dissolving it’s just clumping and suspending likely (even if the clumps are too small to see).

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            I should have read your comments before posting. MDA quite positively saved me from a depression at one point in my live.

          • Shanzgood

            Yeah, it’s fun. Temporarily. I had a girl in one I’m my HS classes who said “ooh, sniff this!” and I was really pissed off. But baconz gave me some and it was awesome.

          • Jennifer R

            I never got around to trying it, but I sure wouldn’t dose anyone on anything without telling them beforehand. Also jsyk poppers are really big in the gay scene.

          • Shanzgood

            Yeah, that’s…um hum.

          • Jennifer R

            Something about muscles clenching or unclenching when you take a hit.

        • Sedagive ’em Hell

          Now that is fascinating.

          I’m a wee bit down one end of the spectrum myself, but I’ve come to terms with limited human bonding (as a matter of fact, I’ve found that this ability has become slightly easier with age).

          On the other hand: I can’t shut off my empathy for animals. Some days I wish I could (hence my lack of humor when it comes to vegan/vegetarian matters).

          • Jennifer R

            Yeah it’s also really helpful with processing abuse and trauma. Rolling (MDMA) or tripping with people is a generally accepted way to end up bonding intimately with them, especially done repeatedly.

          • mancityRed6

            that’s what it was originally used for, therapy

          • Jennifer R

            Yeah I even remember a 20/20 report in the 80s about therapists using a hot new drug to help people process.

          • Serai 1

            We called it “dosing” in Santa Cruz, and yes, I can attest that MDMA is brilliant at helping people deal with shit. You get very, very clear on that stuff. A friend asked me what it was like, and I said the only way I could describe the feeling is that nothing changes, but everything becomes perfect.

          • Jennifer R

            Oh that is a beautiful way to describe it.

          • Serai 1

            I really, really miss it. Didn’t do it that often, just about seven times in the six years I lived there. But man, each trip had a profound effect. One of the great things about it is that the effect lasts. I don’t mean the high sensation, I mean the opening of your heart and the empathy it brings. It made me love people much more than I used to.

          • Jennifer R

            Yeah, it really is nice like that. Haven’t done it in years myself, though either. I am really happy that doctors are still trying to advance the psychopharmacological value of it.

          • Serai 1

            That is very encouraging. I hope they’ll be able to get some kind of legal status for it.

            LOL, one of the best things for me was the physical sensations. First time I took it I spent fifteen minutes just rubbing my fingers together. I realized how fucking awesome it felt to touch my own skin, and immediately decided to masturbate. Ahaha! I got so caught up in the sensation of touching that I kept forgetting to go after the orgasm! After a half hour I gave up and just lay there stroking my arms for a while, then went to the kitchen for some watermelon.

          • Jennifer R

            Yup sure sounds like MDMA. I did learn sadly I enjoy smoking, and not just as the coping mechanism I used it for back then. The first time I rolled me and a friend sat outside and smoked a whole pack.

          • Serai 1

            A lot of the nice for me came from advice I got off an herbalist friend who got me my first couple of doses. He counseled me on how to prepare for it, what nutrients to take to counteract the worst side effects, and how to eat to support my body before, during, and after the dose. And I was careful to do the doses in circumstances that were pleasant and natural, with no strident noises or anything like that. Set and setting is key, as we all know.

          • Jennifer R

            5HTP 100mg 3 days before (not the day of) and 3 days after. Get a good meal before, you will probably be fucking starved feeling after, and keep lots of liquids that aren’t alcohol in you.

          • Serai 1

            What my friend had me do was eat very healthily with full meals for three days before I took the dose, along with taking vitamins and minerals. The day of, eat lightly just before (a good salad was the best), have plenty of water and liquidy fruits like watermelon around, and stay away from stressful situations. Keep taking the vitamins and minerals the day after and for at least three days after that. It worked really well. I felt a bit wrung out, but I landed lightly with no bad side effects. I especially liked how the high was still around in a slowly fading form for a couple of days after.

          • Jennifer R

            The day after me and some friends had taken some unstepped on MDMA we all went to a greasy breakfast buffet sort of place and loaded up.

          • Serai 1

            Ooo, I think I’d have to wait a couple of days for good greasy food. The fading high would make me sick looking at it, I think.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        I know what you mean. I don;t like cocaine or speed but in my opinion, MDMA really opens your mind.

        • Sedagive ’em Hell

          I’ve lectured on the history of the pharmaceutical refinement of opium alkaloids.

          I’ve never done pure opium, but it sounds like the ultimate pleasure, and the ultimate high.

          • Jennifer R

            I ended up in the ER from kidney stones when I was 23 and they gave me an IV of hydromorphone. First time I had ever had painkillers and holy fuck once my head cleared I knew that I sure as shit never should hunt down recreational pain killers. THAT is a road to ruin.

          • Serai 1

            My first time was codeine after I had my wisdom teeth pulled. I FUCKING HATED IT. Turned me into a rock – just lay on the bed unable to move. For the life of me, I cannot understand why anyone would WANT to feel like that.

          • Jennifer R

            Some people get a warm fuzzy feeling. Like your insides were wrapped in bunnies and kittens. Also for a good many people the everyday world feels worse than that.

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            I have in a way in the form of Morphine. After a heavy accident with open arm fracture Morphine was given to me and never in my life did i feel so good even though my arrm almost was ripped from my bodty,

          • Sedagive ’em Hell

            I’ve been on prescription opioids and opiates (heavy medical history). Pure, bodiless calm.

            But opium (properly refined) has a hallucinogenic property that makes everything else seem like a primitive cartoon (one day I hope to find out for myself if this is true).

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            Dunno about Opium regarding to that but about a decade ago Me and some friend took really strong mushrooms. After a pretty heavy trip it all eased down and for the next four hours I felt like I was in one of those good old disney cartoons like phantasia. Colors were bold and warm and it felt like I was an adult back in my childhood.

          • Sedagive ’em Hell

            Shrooms are my favorite; so nice and organic.

            I psychically time-travelled on them once: saw things that existed only in a friend’s memory. It was amazing.

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            What I like is that you can steer the direction. Be with loved ones with open characters and things are amazing. Be with the wrong crowd and it can be hell.

          • Jennifer R

            1200mg of DXM sent me through a time tunnel holy fuck.

          • Jennifer R

            Man, shrooms ;.;

            I just don’t seem receptive to shrooms or 4-ACO-DMT. I guess that bit of my brain is just broke. Which is disappointing to me.

          • The Wanderer

            Citing Hunter Thompson, if you smoke opium, you should have someone trustworthy to keep you safe while the dragon sings to you.

          • Jennifer R

            A trip sitter is very important for many many drugs.

          • The Wanderer

            I think that may be one more reason why I’ve never done drugs. When I hit the manic bit of my manic-depressive cycle, I can go with less sleep than my normal 6 hours, write pages of material, and just tear around like crazy. Of course, my beard and nails grow at an accelerated rate when that happens, too.

          • Jennifer R

            Yeah, us neurodivergent folk have to be picky about the chemicals we put into our bodies.

          • The Wanderer

            My younger brother and I were put on Ritalin back when it was a foul-tasting liquid in a huge brown bottle. One of the odd things about hyperactivity is that a stimulant like Ritalin will have an opposite effect.
            My parents didn’t like what the Ritalin was doing (the word “zombies” was mentioned), so they asked the docs for an alternative.
            Which is why I’ve had coffee as an occasional drink since I were a wee Peripatetic. It mellows me out a tad.

          • Jennifer R

            Yeah, me and caffeine don’t mix. Even that is way too much of a stimulant for me these days. One drink and 18 hours later I still am jittery and cranky.

          • Sedagive ’em Hell

            Drug sherpas are all the rage these days thanks to the ayahuasca craze.

            Remember kids: don’t take that trip alone.

          • Serai 1

            Jesus fuck, I would never take that shit unless I could do it with an experienced elder. Same goes for peyote. Some things you just DO NOT fuck around with.

          • Jennifer R

            I have done dimethyltryptamine without the MAOI component (remember ayahuasca is DMT taken with the ayahuasca vine which has a natural MAOI in it) and it’s pretty much just a very intense weed feeling for 25 minutes. Maybe a little depersonalization. Some friends took it orally with one of those fancy modern reversible MAOIs (because MAOIs aren’t something to fuck with) and seemed to really enjoy the trip.

          • Serai 1

            I’m so unconnected from the other-than-weed drug scene. I have no idea what half the things people mention even are.

          • Jennifer R

            MAOIs are a class of drugs used to treat atypical depression and parkinson’s among other illnesses. Famously people who take older MAOIs have to radically alter their diet to avoid triamine or risk a fatal hypertension episode.

            They ayahuasca vine has a mild MAOI in it, and when you take DMT orally in a tea prepared with an MAOI also the DMT synergises. If you see a documentary where the host gets given a drug tea, vomits and hallucinates for 6 hours, if the documentary took place in South America then it was a *very* potent dose of ayahuasca tea.

        • Jennifer R

          And that is really the draw of it.
          I ended up with some MDA one day and boy that wasn’t the same thing at all. “Like e but without the inappropriate love everyone feeling” is not a positive selling point to me.

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            Luckily in the Netherlands you can have your stuff checked legally in many hospitals so I always know what I am dealing with

          • Jennifer R

            No, I mean I knew it was MDA before hand he was upfront about what he was selling. It just was missing half of the point of MDMA. That said I have made my sacrifice to ecstasydata when I don’t have a trusted and experienced bioassayer around.

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            Ah I see. Yeah same thing with 2cB and ketamin. Great effect similr to MDMA in small doses but in larger ones totally different.

          • Jennifer R

            Yeah, I just really love that overwhelming everything in the world is perfect and I love everyone feeling. I don’t get to feel that in the day to day world much.

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            For what it’s worth: Nobody does. For me the feelings and emotions I experienced while high is something try to use in every day encounters. My number one life rule: Don’t be a cunt.

          • Jennifer R

            Yeah, my daily motto is “try to be less of an ass”.

      • OutOfOrbit

        My go-to as needed drug for anxiety is…shit, I can’t remember what I was gonna say.

    • Bananas Foster

      People pay money and risk jail time for a drug that basically produces an unproductive (hypo?)mania.

      At least you might lose weight…

      • Jennifer R

        People get addicted and ruin their lives by spending huge volumes of money on a drug that produces an unproductive mania. If you really want a pill that makes you alert, go order armodafinil off the internet. Not a stimulant so you can actually focus and get stuff done. Plus it isn’t physically addictive.

        • Bananas Foster

          And I get bipolar 1 for free! /s

          • Jennifer R

            That said, the armodafinil was nice, 18 hours of productive work writing or coding? No jitters or methy feeling? discrete and gray area? Sure why not!

      • mancityRed6

        you definitely lose weight.
        I dated a girl who did it with friends for awhile, but not around me.
        I was walking a lot at the time.
        it hurts when two people hit their iliac bones together

        • lynchie

          that is called humping

          • mancityRed6

            when you’re both that skinny, it’s called “we can’t do missionary anymore”

          • Jennifer R

            Not a lot of loss there really.

          • mancityRed6

            but I like kissing while I’m doing it.

          • Jennifer R

            Weather stripping foam is sticky on one side and pretty cushioned.

          • mancityRed6

            that took me a second to get from whaaa? to oh, yeah, no.

          • lynchie

            It’s called the emaciated war dance

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    I always got the best drugs at church camp. (True story)

    • mancityRed6

      church camp is where I learned the best cigarettes of the day are when you wake up and after a meal.

      • puredog

        How about the post-coital cig? Oh, right. . .

        • mancityRed6

          I didn’t get that far, but got a few addresses

    • lynchie

      that and the best non stop sex. wow, the lutheran ladies like to screw

      • Komsumverweigerer Ron

        The g/f is Lutheran.
        That would explain much.
        DAMN I wish I could go visit but the housemate’s literally housebound all summer. Stupid emphysema. (Caused, BTW, by 50 years of pack-or-two-a-day smoking.)

        • lynchie

          same as my dad. finally did him in. but he was 63 so not to bad but too soon

          • Komsumverweigerer Ron

            She’s well past that; TBH I think it’s my care that’s kept her going.

          • lynchie

            We moved from Canada to the states when he was 60 so I wasn’t there to provide care although I saw him regularly. Having a family care for a parent is critical. I am amazed that so many around where I live just park there folks in a nursing home cause it interferes with their life. Like they didn’t interfere as kids wanting this and that, getting sick, drive me here and there. Oh well to each his own. Take care of your housemate you will be loved for what you are doing

          • Komsumverweigerer Ron

            I’m pretty sure I am, though she is awkward about showing it. But we’ve been sharing a house for almost 14 years, I can read her like large print.

  • steve damon

    If you are heavily invested in the success of the for-profit prison industry (Sessions is) then you would also be keenly interested in any potential recruitment programs for said industry. What better recruitment program then one that narcs kids out early and starts that “permanent record” (it is, now) off on a dismal foot? We could say, in a sense, that DARE is a gateway-to-prison program, could we not? Is it any wonder that this waspy little fascist feels so strongly positive about it?

    • Wookie Monster

      Especially when he intends to focus his efforts in communities of “blah people.”

  • Swampay

    There is in fact an anti-drug program that has succeeded in my lifetime. I’m talking of course of the battle against cigarettes. Of course, there are still plenty of people who smoke but it’s not like when I was a kid and the question wasn’t “do your parents smoke?” but “how many packs a day do your parents smoke?”

    What worked? Telling the truth helped a whole lot. They didn’t try to say tobacco is a gateway drug to hell, they just said “here it is, here are the results.” Seeing every adult we know constantly trying to quit and talking about how they hate the habit helped. Letting the price go up helped (I don’t know how the gods of supply and demand worked on this).

    Tobacco seems to have a high health cost for low satisfaction return, so that may be a bit easier.

    In general, realistically informing and addressing the actual harm done by a drug seems like a pretty good approach. Trying to convince kids that marijuana is worse than booze is going to fail because it is not.

    • Jgb979

      Exactly right:

      The science behind tobacco is persuasive because there’s a hugely documented link behind it and lung/throat cancer. There’s plenty to point to that’s persuasive without being hysterical about it.

      With pot the most dangerous thing about it is getting caught with it.

    • AJ Milne

      That.

      _A_ stupid bit of it (there’s lots of stupid bits): places where actual, proper research into marijuana use is hobbled by idiotic legislation.

      … outside this: there are likely health risks, way I hear it. Not as well documented as anyone would like, but probably real enough. Smoking it _is_ probably worse, not so great for the lungs. Probably a bit iffy, or at least a bit more risky, ingesting it in any form if you’ve already got something in the manic depression range. And probably a bit of a bigger risk for developing brains than those mostly done with that.

      … whichever way any of those go, tho’, PSAs that just say _that_, that are sober about it, say, look, there’s some risks, but it’s like anything in life, you’re going to have to weigh those, that, I think, people would tend to respect more.

      And you don’t need the emotive, heavy-voiced announcer. Posters, simple, factual, are less likely to get people (deservedly) rolling their eyes. Bullet points. Consider these, please, before using. Same as on alcohol containers for anyone expecting or operating heavy machinery.

    • Three Finger Salute

      It would help if alcohol wasn’t such a powerful political lobby. Stoner culture doesn’t help either, though, and celebrities marketing weed products and singing songs about getting high is, IMHO, the equivalent of Lucy and Desi glamorizing Philip Morris. Cannabis might help epileptics and cancer patients, but people with psychiatric disorders can get fucked up even worse by messing around with stuff that fucks with your already damaged brain.

      Granted, the legal stuff isn’t much better; after all, there is that paradoxical suicide risk from anti-depressants, and a whole host of other problems associated with them, from weight gain to something really scary called serotonin syndrome. Whenever I see those dumb ads for Zoloft/Zyprexa/etc. and the voiceover that says “side effects may include suicide,” my first thought is always why not just cut out the middleman and slap a fncy trademark on cyanide instead.

      That being said, the answer to this isn’t to just let people suffer. The pharma lobby needs to get the hell away from the mental-health field and stop enlisting doctors to act as salesmen to drive up profits. But the U.S. as a culture needs to acknowledge that mental illness is very real and something that we do need to help people with, rather than ostracizing them or letting them languish in prison. Legalize ethical research, but dope shouldn’t be marketed to crazy people any more than guns should.

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        so, if we crazy people can’t have dope (it is indeed bad for me, depending on the strain)…and you want pharma to get the hell away form mental health, WHAT THE FUCK SHOULD I DO? Suck it up? Like it or not, my medication saved my life and my sanity. And no, that’s not a sign of weakness or laziness or lack of internal strength.

        They’re trying to pull this same shit for people with chronic pain. “We’re cutting back your opioids, even though you have a chronic, observable, long term condition – but we’ll cut you off completely if we find you’ve been supplementing with marijuana.
        “So WTF are they supposed to do? Curl up in bed and just suffer?

        the concept i just described is going to drive people with chronic pain to alcohol, illegal trade of prescription drugs, street drugs like heroin, or suicide. They are the only options left for this people.

        FFS.

        • Three Finger Salute

          What I meant is that they shouldn’t be pushing overprescribing for every conceivable worry or inconvenience as a way to increase sales, or inventing illnesses out of whole cloth and padding the DSM with nonsense like “prolonged grief disorder” (if you grieve someone more than 6 months it’s a red flag now). 2-year-olds are on Ritalin for being colicky. And talk therapy doesn’t have as good of a payout to insurers because there’s no lobby or patent protection scheme for CBT. That’s what I meant. Not that proper treatment, sometimes with medication, doesn’t save lives. That they need to stop holding a monopoly over the mental healthcare “industry.”

          I am a proponent of the Belgian model where if people who don’t want to suffer from mental illness anymore (or be on meds the rest of their life) want to quit this life altogether, they can if they so choose — and don’t have to resort to desperate measures to do so. If I could have access to a morphine drip, I’d take it in a heartbeat. For me, the question of whether life is worth living is up to the individual. I decided a long time ago that it wasn’t.

          “Saving lives” doesn’t go far enough. The real goal ought to be to ensure that the person whose life you save doesn’t just end up in the same misery that brought them to the point of suicide in the first place. So IMHO the concept of “suicide prevention” is just as flawed as “abortion prevention.” It’s a quality-of-life issue that can only be decided by the patient and not the church or society at large.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            i’m curious if all these bizarre perscription stories are actually true. I was thinking about this, yeah, big pharma are a bunch of greedy bastards, and yeah, if they’ve got a product to sell, they will. But they do make thousands of products that save lives.

            I’m not even going to touch the end of life issue, that’s up to each person, but the pointless pharama bashing gets on my nerves. I just took four medicines that are designed to keep my alive and sane. I like that.

    • Stulexington

      You mean like treat adolescents like young adults and be honest with them instead of trying to feed them flashy bullshit that they can see through like it’s glass? What a concept.

      • lynchie

        Is that like Trumps transparent wall to prevent us from getting beaned by a 60 lb bag of dope. Now I get it

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      as a smoker, i think it was like that in the 80’s and 90’s – these days though, things are fucking bizarre – from my perspective.

      Starting in the mid-oughts there were some seriously fuckin’ crazy anti-smoking campaigns.

      And things are now moving into weirder territory. Did you know the University of Texas Austin campus is now smoke free…the entire fucking thing (for scale, the campus is referred to as the 40 acres, that’s how big it is…lots of outdoor space). That just seems cruel to me. Don’t smoke in the buildings, okay, I GET THAT! But give us a spot out in back next to the dumpster, we’ll take it.

    • Swampay

      There’s a fair bit of lies and misinformation going on around pot, of course. The whole “It’s not physically addictive, it’s only emotionally addictive” is such screaming bullshit. Try this, go to any AA meeting in any city in the country and ask, “Now that you’re over the physical addiction to booze, ie physical withdrawal symptoms, and just working on the emotional addiction, you’ve got nothing to worry about, right?” and prepare to get laughed out of the room.

      Weed seems to be generally less toxic to the body than booze. Weed seems less likely to make you behave violently than booze. In my mind that makes it a solid win from society’s perspective.

      As someone in a weed-legal state, at 55+ I am a late-comer to weed use. I find it fits neatly into the slice of my brain that likes to drink too much booze. I like it a lot, it helps my mind go to places I couldn’t get to before. Currently weed-based skin salves and balms have a great placebo effect. I don’t kid myself that it’s an unalloyed good, but it’s better for me than booze.

  • TundraGrifter

    I don’t believe there has ever been an objective, third-party study of DARE to see if it works or not. Many people say it not only doesn’t work but it encourages students to do drugs because they are being told not to. “Hmmm…sounds like fun! I’m not supposed to? Let’s go!”

  • jesterpunk

    So they won’t show off any Trump family products this week.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/07/16/white-house-unveils-made-in-america-week-though-many-trump-products-are-made-overseas/?utm_term=.0becaa9e013a

    President Trump, whose company outsources the manufacturing of many of its products to overseas factories, is unveiling “Made in America” week at the White House to promote products made in the United States.

    In keeping with the “America First” theme of Trump’s inauguration, the administration will highlight U.S. manufacturing in the coming week, the latest of its theme weeks orchestrated by aides to bring discipline to the White House and focus Trump’s schedule and message on a set of policies.

    The week will begin Monday with a “Made in America product showcase” featuring crafts and other items created in each of the 50 states. The president plans to issue a declaration Wednesday and deliver remarks on the importance of making things in the United States. And Saturday, Trump will travel to Norfolk to attend the commissioning of the USS Gerald R. Ford, the first in the Navy’s new class of nuclear-powered aircraft carriers.

    “This week the Trump administration will honor the amazing American workers and companies who have products that are made in America,” Helen Ferre, the White House’s director of media affairs, told reporters at a briefing here Sunday. She said America sets “the world standard for quality and craftsmanship.”

    • lynchie

      Nothing hypocritical about this program.

    • Komsumverweigerer Ron

      CRAFTS? They couldn’t find ANY made-in-the-US products so they had to go with CRAFTS?
      Fun Fact: ‘All-American’ Harley-Davidson motorcycles are apparently built with 30-40% imported parts. Guess they weren’t invited.

  • meanlawyermom

    All that is well and good, but do you even understand how much the private prison cronies of Trump and Sessions have suffered under the legalization of marijuana and reduced reliance on mandatory minimums for nonviolent and minimally violent crimes? DO YOU?

    And that’s what this is all about.

    • ariel_gee_398

      Not to mention all the other corporations that benefit from the use of prisoner slave labor. You make them pay minimum wage to workers with a choice and then where will we be?

      • weejee

        So it’s a jobs issue then.

        • Notreelyhelping

          So is medical insurance, to an extent. If the serfs can get health insurance independently (or equally with single-payer), they can quit that shitty, humiliating job they’ve stuck with so their kids don’t die.

    • meanlawyermom

      Their suffering is so much more than these *criminals* smoking pot who get sentenced to years in prison.

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    As a Dutchman with legal access to softdrugs and mushrooms and pretty much open access to all the other stuff with the “Just don’t be too open about it to authorities” attitude I can tell you the best approach to keep your kids clean of drugs is telling them you as a 20 something has done all of them because nothing makes shit more unpopular than things your parents have more experience with than you ever will.

    • The Wanderer

      Which is sound reverse psychology. Telling your kids that you did something they like guarantees that it won’t be cool.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Difference is that if my son wants to do drugs I would happily do it with him. Than I know he will do it in a save controlled climate.

        • Serai 1

          When my sister was a kid, I told her that if she stayed away from drugs until she was sixteen, I would personally take her to the Renaissance Faire and get her high there.

    • mancityRed6

      I was watching one of the Friday the 13th movies and my dad had watched a part standing in my door. I didn’t know he was there.
      the “teen” couple on screen had smoked up and were preparing to have intercourse.
      “pot doesn’t make you want to do that” is what he said. not sure if he actually said pot. and I’m still not sure he ever actually did any, but he was in the navy in the late ’60s, so…maybe?

      • MissNomer

        Yes, definitely.

    • Serai 1

      It kept me the fuck away from coffee. After seeing my parents jonesing for their morning cup, all irritable and shit, I determined I would NEVER get hooked on that crap. And I never have. Can’t stand the stuff, it’s vile. (The smell is nice, though.)

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        For some reason I have that with herring.

      • Persistent Demme

        You DO know that not liking coffee is a character flaw, right?
        Just kidding! (Or “jakes,” as the kids say!)

        Same for people that don’t like dogs, cats, or any kind of animals. (But with no kidding.)

      • Komsumverweigerer Ron

        Ha! Same here. My sister could not function without her morning cup when she was still in high school. I chose other addictions. (And had to go cold turkey when they changed SweeTTarts.)

  • tinker12
    • Serai 1

      Also music and art.

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        and pain relief and sleep.

        • Bobathonic

          Is my friend the only one who gets relief from gastric symptoms using gigglesticks?

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            nope – used all the time to encourage an appetite.

          • Serai 1

            It helps calm my acid reflux.

  • TundraGrifter

    ” And Saturday, Trump will travel to Norfolk to attend the commissioning of the USS Gerald R. Ford, the first in the Navy’s new class of nuclear-powered aircraft carriers.”

    The conservative cost estimate for that vessel is $1.1 BILLION FUCKING DOLLARS! Did the US Navy not hear about Battle of the Falklands?

    Did Bull O’Really? fill them in?

    One missile – cost in the tens of thousands – can sink that baby like a rock.

    • Bozilingus

      Are the armaments steam-powered? Bring back the coal-burning Navy ships.

      • Komsumverweigerer Ron

        I’d suggest sail, but they’d never go for some hippy wind-powered ship.

        • Bozilingus

          Why do you hate 1950’s Amurica?

    • William

      Probably not. We learned a lot from the Falklands. Also, U. S Carriers are double hulled around vital areas such as engineering. and magazines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS

      • The Wanderer

        One thing we learned from the Exocet missile was that the Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate should not have had an aluminum alloy superstructure, or all of its piping and wiring on a centralized trunk system.

        • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

          Never sail on a ship with “hazard” in the name.

          • Three Finger Salute

            That’s the USS Rick Biohazard Perry.

        • William

          We probably learned that way back when the USS John F. Kennedy hit the Belknap.

      • TundraGrifter
        • William

          I’m familiar with the exorcet. Interestingly enough, the one of Falklands fame wasn’t even armed. The exploding fuel from the missile did the job. I’ve seen the phalanx missile defense system in action and am pretty confident in it’s ability.

          • TundraGrifter

            I am not an expert. It just looks to me like this $1Billion+ dinosaur is remarkably vulnerable.

            For years there were two vessels docked in Alameda near the ferry terminal. The local story was they had been ordered by the French government who abandoned them after the Falkland’s War because they were made of the same aluminum as the English war ship that burned.

          • William

            Perhaps, but American carriers are made of steel, protected by a point defense system, and protected by a double hull. Your point that they are big targets it credible and the subject of much debate at the war college and has been for decades. Submariners like to say “There are two types of ships, submarines and targets”. The mission of a carrier is more to provide air superiority by moving an airbase into any region of the world that has water. China just built one. It’s not so much about sea power as air power.

          • TundraGrifter

            The US Navy vessel rammed in the Philippines – did it have a double hull?

            I was once rammed in the Philippines and it hurt like Hell (h/t “The Thin Man”).

          • William

            I don’t know. I thought we were talking about aircraft carriers.

    • The Wanderer

      Hmm. The USS Gerald R. Ford.
      Will it bump its head against the pier when it gets underway?

    • Incoming Ham

      Will he pass an executive order renaming it the “USS Donald J. Trump” before he goes?

      • The Wanderer

        He might rename the Kennedy, just out of spite.

      • lynchie

        No he will call it the USS Ivanka

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos
      • TundraGrifter

        That ceremony must have been down in Miami since so many of the men are wearing white shoes.

  • TundraGrifter

    There’s something amisqus with Disqus this morning. Again.
    T

    • Résistance Land Shark Ω

      It’s a day that ends in “Y”, so yeah.

  • weejee

    The orange shitgibbon’s prostituting attorney will have this working like clockwork for sure.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3cbcc0f34062d5e89e3f43963f9b23457527bee36a928159665af96105798ecb.gif

  • Jgb979

    As a proud graduate of fifth grade Dare class circa 1990:

    All it does is expose you to different types of drugs, describe how bad it is to use “drugs” in hysterical terms, and condition you to narc on your classmates. There’s no discussion in rational terms or breakdown in proportionality (I. E. Marijuana WONT kill you but heroin will). Being the end of the 80’s, there was plenty on crack but absolutely no mention of legally prescribed narcotic abuse.

    Maybe it made a positive impression on future fascists? But they probably were never going to dabble in drugs anyway. Those who did started with pot, realized it was great, and immediately laughed off the hypocritical scare tactics of things like this and were likely more prone to try harder things.

    So no it never worked but like trickle down economics it will also never die.

    • mancityRed6

      5-8th grade was ’84-88, I didn’t have a DARE program.
      of course, the only alcoholic drink I had before I was 19 was a wine cooler, and I only smoked weed once, massive contact high another time…and that was it.

      • Ω cynmac will never surrender

        My daughter went to a private school run by aging hippies. No DARE for her.

  • BoatOfVelociraptors
    • The Wanderer

      Unless the TARDIS lands on a guy named Steve at Christmas, and the plot hinges on him.

  • Incoming Ham

    This is your government on drugs.

    • The Wanderer

      Drunk on power.

      • OutOfOrbit

        and mebbee tRump got into some of the “brown acid” power

  • OutOfOrbit

    There should be a special jurisdiction and penalties for people who purge themselves while holding high office.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Perjure. Perjurers purging themselves is only a thing in, I believe, Japan…

      • Master Contrail Program

        With this administration they may be referring to the cinematic version of Purge though.

        • AJ Milne

          … or Stalinist.

  • GreenGoldSharpie

    So, I hear there’s a season premiere tonight. Something about an uncomfortable chair a bunch of white people are fighting over.

    :-D

    • The Wanderer

      I shall get out my Satanic easy chair (upholstered in fine human skin) to watch.

      • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

        Make sure to turn the lamp with elegant shade to low.

      • Bobathonic

        I didn’t expect that!

    • Serai 1

      Flying lizards too, I hear.

    • mancityRed6

      after seeing the ad for the candy crush game show on my playstation, I’m not sure if this is real or not.

    • HorseChestnut

      I wish I liked that show. I feel left out 🙁

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        i have literally never seen a minute of that show.

        • AJ Milne

          Likewise.

          It’s not that it has absolutely no appeal. I’m curious, not entirely averse to the genre…

          … but now it just sounds like such an investment. Am I even likely to live long enough to get through the whole thing?

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            see, i just don’t like fantasy.

            Also, endless planning and machinations and betrayal is just boring.

            I obviously haven’t seen the show, but I suspect season 3 of the 300 wanted to capitalize on this trend…it’s ALL about different factions and people scheming for power and secret alliances and it’s just boring as hell.

          • Komsumverweigerer Ron

            Boring? I can see why – I mean, how does it differ from real life? (Okay, besides the dragons.)

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            lol, maybe cause it resembles real life so much (dragon’s nothwithstanding).

          • AJ Milne

            I have a very sporadic appetite for it. But, honestly, last stuff I bothered with was Jackson’s Tolkien films. And went back and re-read some of those sources, somewhere in there. Think I’ve still got The Silmarillion sitting half open somewhere*.

            I seem to like it kinda epic, mythic, dire… And honestly a bit simple. That seems to be Tokien’s formula, anyway, and that, apparently, works for me. Worlds hanging in the balance, massive forces on the move, the sympathetic, vulnerable, relatable point of view characters swept up terrifyingly in the same. When I want to escape that way, that’s what I’m looking to escape into. So, likewise, a lot of court intrigue and fantasy politics would eventually get me yawning. Kings and queens at play, naw. Give me terrified hobbitses dodging dragon’s breath.

            … and it’s funny, because I don’t think my taste for that sort of simple, large, fairly black and white conflict extends to much of anything else. Including any other fiction. Loved LeCarré in part I think _because_ his characters and their conflicts are so flawed, so compromised, so believable. Fantasy, it’s like my brain is saying, listen, we’re already fantasizing anyway. And what would be a real fantasy is if things were fairly simple. Because in this world, they generally aren’t.

            (*Oh, also Pratchett, but I figure that’s for entirely different reasons. Not even sure I see that stuff as fantasy, exactly. It’s sharp satire on this world that just happens to be set in another.)

      • Serai 1

        Same here. First episode turned me off so much I haven’t been able to watch anymore. Much too depressing.

    • janecita

      I was told not to talk about it until Monday, there were threats involved, so I don’t know what show you are referring to:-(

      • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

        Use Hodor speak.

  • Master Contrail Program

    DARE shirts worn ironically were the PBR’s and handlebar mustaches of middle school age proto-hipsters when I was a lad.

    • mancityRed6

      there was a shirt in the mid ’90s “rehab is for quitters”

      • epazote

        I really liked the fried egg “this is your brain on drugs” ad
        (snicker, chortle, guffaw )

        • Ω cynmac will never surrender
        • Komsumverweigerer Ron

          This is your brain.
          This is your brain on drugs.
          This is your brain on drugs with a side of toast and bacon.
          Any questions?

          • epazote

            Where’s my hash browns ???

      • janecita

        I used one of those as pajamas:-)

    • TJ Barke

      Still are.

      • Master Contrail Program

        See that young folks? I’m still hip to your ways and your lingo! Uhhh…..tubular and ummmm, 23 skidoo! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ea82759f30337901215c52319ac76d9072ff6c9ee9deec6a865a8afba254aa65.jpg

        • HorseChestnut

          Burma shave! (That’s still a thing, right?)

          • The Wanderer

            Yep! My poem for last Christmas was:
            Santa’s secret
            Is he’s a creep
            He hides in the ceiling
            To watch you sleep
            Burma Shave

          • lynchie

            Hai Karate, now that’s a thing

          • Bobathonic

            Watch Joe Namath get creamed.

          • Serai 1

            Holy shit, that takes me back!

          • BackDoorMan

            … no love for English Leather?… “my men wear English Leather… or nothing at all” is how I remember the tagline. Ooooh! sly!

          • lynchie

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkTNX6VU71A

            On the other hand Hai Karate is just too much for women to handle

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfAEb0uQm8

        • mancityRed6

          is “bad” still “good”?

          • epazote

            yep

        • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

          You’re the bee’s knees!

  • CountryClubJihadi

    I remember this one from the early 70’s. Then they came to our school with a giant cancerous lung and some coke spoons.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJTC_sX5cxs

    • lynchie

      Did they show you the proper way to hold and use the coke spoon. I was always told that to do coke you have to do it off a hooker’s ass

      • mancityRed6

        if a hooker isn’t around, you have to grow out your pinkie fingernail.

        • lynchie

          I use a dead armadillo foot

    • Mormos

      trippy

    • Bobathonic

      I remember the traveling organ show. We got to hold healthy (well, for being disembodied) and cancerous lungs. Formaldehydey.

    • Ω cynmac will never surrender

      Hell, when I worked at McDonald’s in 1978, the coffee stirrers had little spoons on the end that people used for cocaine. Yes, The Great McDonald’s Cocaine Spoon Fiasco. Senate hearings. The whole she-bang.
      https://priceonomics.com/the-mcdonalds-cocaine-spoon-fiasco/
      https://pix-media.priceonomics-media.com/blog/816/ScreenShot2014-09-17at10.52.36AM.png

      • Komsumverweigerer Ron

        So THAT’S why they suddenly disappeared.

  • mancityRed6
    • The Wanderer

      Trippy.

    • Serai 1

      The student has become the master, indeed.

    • Thiazin Red

      Looking at old pictures of people in their 40s and 50s is so weird. One theory I’ve seen about why people look so much better now is fluoride. People now typically have all their teeth into middle age, which preserves the facial bones.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Don’t tell Alex Jones that…

      • Claire

        And Botox. I’m sure Hamill’s had touch-ups here and there. And it looks like he weighs more than Alec Guinness did, or at least carries a little more of it in his face, which helps. Better nutrition and more available food now versus fifty or a hundred years ago can make a big difference.

  • Jamoche

    Today’s Oglaf explains a lot
    Here’s the SFW punchline; the rest is the usual sort of NSFW
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/77e6e4ea67ea4844ea678d2d185cf727867ad539785a7c205434abb3863a5d57.png
    http://oglaf.com/annals/

    • mancityRed6

      I spent the good part of an afternoon on that comic after someone linked to it on another site.
      funny as hell.

      • Jamoche

        Did you know every strip has rollover text like XKCD? I’d been reading it for years when I found that, and then of course had to go re-read the whole thing :)

        • mancityRed6

          yeah, I was too far into it by that point.
          and I had the grill going and was ball throwing for the pup that would chase it.

        • mancityRed6

          and the little messages at the top are all random

          • AJ Milne

            I reloaded one strip continually once just to get all those. Some of ’em are downright stellar.

        • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

          yeah! I just found out about the secret bonus joke like a month ago.

    • Thiazin Red

      That would explain every Doctor Who message board. They seem to be filled with people who hate everything about the show, but never miss an episode.

  • Johnny Appleseed

    IF it involves delusion, it’s got Sessions name all over it.

  • Jay Hansen

    Jefferson Beauregard Staleface needs a big supercharged brownie.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    “Why should the ineffective abstinence-only sex ed programs have all the fun?”

    – Jeff Sessions, probably

  • lynchie

    Let me get this straight. Drugs are Bad. No fucking wonder we all love them.

  • MizzMazz
    • The Wanderer

      (gasps) The Demon Herb!

    • Serai 1

      What’s funny about catnip is that it has the opposite effect on humans that it does on cats. For them it’s a stimulant. For us, it’s a soporific. Great for a sleepytime tea.

      • MizzMazz

        The fresh leaves are nice in salads too. I like the fragrance.

    • mancityRed6

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b07dd904965d8f552fcb61d3ce35e1f32232622f8873ece08b177ed00e06e073.jpg
      country stuff. it was so skunky it didn’t matter where in the house I opened it.

      • MizzMazz

        Nice! I miss my herb garden.

  • janecita

    OT, listening to Bob Corker for longer than a minute should be considered extreme torture. That man sounds like a fucking ignorant hick!

    • The Wanderer

      Mainly because he is a fucking ignorant hick.

      • janecita

        The South really is the gift that keeps on giving.

        • Jamoche

          It had smart people. We left.

          • Ω cynmac will never surrender

            Some of us stayed. We live in Islands of Blue to avoid many of the Idiots.

    • Covfefe

      Now, now. Corker is about as good as a contemporary Republican gets.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Sounds like Bob needs to put a cork in it.

  • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

    smell markers! I remember those!

    (am I an oldz yet?)

    • The Wanderer

      The old liquid-based mimeograph process . . . I used to look forward to those handouts in high school before the Xerox process became prevalent.

      • Blanche Beecham

        oh-haaaayssss

      • Serai 1

        LOVED that smell. When the ink was still a little damp.

        • Bobathonic

          We envied the kids who got to deliver a stack of them.

          • Serai 1

            I got to run the machine a couple of times!

          • MissNomer

            We’d roll them up and inhale through them.

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        it’s off topic a bit, but being sunday, i have this wonderful memory of being a little boy and walking to the bakery in germany.

        I would swear to, you could smell the fresh baked bread from blocks up the street (or that’s my memory).

      • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

        Kinda smelled like bananas, if I recall. Also airplane glue. Locked myself away on a weekend many hours while building models.

      • mancityRed6

        see, in the midwest that wasn’t a thing…well, not in my small little town.
        that scene in fast times? yeah, I had to have a girl from San Diego explain why they sniffed the paper.

      • tomamitai
  • clubseal

    I wish I knew the answer as well. I know it’s not “punish everyone who does drugs because I believe it’s morally wrong.”
    In high school, I was the captain of my soccer team, I played a ton of roller hockey, had a great family and dated a nice Christian girl, but I still got drunk on the weekends, smoked pot occasionally and just generally had a good time. I’m not sure anything would have kept me from trying those things, so I think society’s time would be better spent finding ways to help people who abuse drugs – people who are addicted – rather then throwing millions of dollars at punishing anyone who just uses drugs.

    • Serai 1

      Society’s time would be better spent relieving the conditions that cause people to take drugs as a refuge, like poverty.

      • clubseal

        Indeed. We can’t (and shouldn’t) reprogram human nature and the way it drives us to seek refuge from shitty situations in substances.

        • Serai 1

          Or to seek wisdom in them. “Drugs” have been used as religious enhancements since time immemorial.

          • mancityRed6

            or, you know, if you just want to spend a night eating pizza and watching movies.

          • clubseal

            The only religious enhancement I needed when I was in church was a piece of paper and a pen to doodle random stuff until it was over.

          • tomamitai

            Watch Cosmos (the original version, with Carl Sagan*) while high on weed and you won’t even need to go to church.

            *After his death it was revealed that he was a dope smoker, and he turned out pretty well.

          • Serai 1

            Yeah, he really loved the smoke.

            Mr. X by Carl Sagan

          • Three Finger Salute

            I’d like to find whatever asshole mixed steroids and meth to come up with the 5,000-year-old bad trip that is patriarchal Abrahamism — and punch him (not with votes either). All those goddesses got covered with burlap burqas and eventually thrown under the Bronze Age bus in favor of a bunch of rapey, frustrated, repressed dicks. We could have had Wonder Woman and She-Ra as part of our pantheon. We ended up with NRA Moses, a bastardized Reaganology version of Palestinian hippie Jesus, and pedo Muhammad instead.

          • Serai 1

            Tell me about it. It’s completely bizarre. As a pagan, I don’t get that mindset AT ALL. What the fuck is up with deliberately making life miserable for the greatest number of people? My religion is all kinds of fun, and I’m eternally glad to have had my heart touched by the Goddess. As teh Vapors put it, “No sex, no drugs, no wine, no women, no fun, no sin, no you, no wonder it’s dark!”

          • BoatOfVelociraptors

            Well, the only literate guy with a knife habit went around chopping up the Dick’s of everyone in his tribe after hearing voices in the mountains…

        • Three Finger Salute

          That thought bothers me though. It sounds like you’re saying mental illness is a feature rather than a bug. I think it’d be wonderful for some CRISPR genius to “reprogram human nature” to make people like me more resilient to abject misery, seeing as we can’t do anything about it anyway and nobody’s going to “fix poverty” or “end rape culture” or all these other things that get people justifiably riled up, but to no avail.

          Apathy is inevitable, but it’s also depressing. Reprogramming the 0.01%-er sociopaths is impossible, because it’s like HAL resisting being shut off. They’re the ones who make these conditions possible. And they’ll never willingly submit to something that could make them more empathetic or cause them to lose any ground in their social status. They’d have someone who found a way to do so killed first. So, a better and more humane alternative would be to “fix” whatever it is that makes people depressed about being in misery (but in a way that doesn’t make them even more miserable, like drug addiction or alcoholism), because the misery is never going to go away. As a species, we’re defective by design.

          As for me, my drug of choice was always junk food. Cheese-flavored ones, to be specific; I used to call Frito-Lay Cheetos, Wise brand Cheeze Doodles, Bachman Jax, Sunshine Cheezits and Pepperidge Farm Goldfish my “cheddar-flavored cigarettes.” Stress eater; munchies without the pot. I’ve lost a lot of weight since starting on one of those pay-by-month MRE programs, and found that I don’t really miss the junk food all that much. But, suffice it to say, my life still sucks; I’ll always have the family curse of mental sickness; I’ll probably never have meaningful employment, and I do need some kind of vice to escape from it and be dulled out.

          I have a strong personal moral code, however, so it won’t be anything that you have to be 18+ to do, or which is illegal and/or significantly harmful — like smoking or alcohol. (I don’t have money to buy those things or gamble either.) I don’t want a paper trail following me, so I probably won’t go seek out professional help (because mental illness still carries a major stigma in society). It’s likely that I’ll end up homeless when my parents (who are in their 60s and in poor health as it is) die (I don’t foresee much more than a decade). I don’t want to go on welfare because then I’d have to admit — to the U.S. Federal Government, of all people — why it is I can’t find a job (and there’s the inevitable paper trail, and the forced public confrontation with the dirty laundry of my mental illness). I’d rather die than be “outed” like that.

          So for now, I’m just biding my time with non-illegal vices that you don’t need to present ID to do (television, movies, books, and computer-related activities), and for the most part, avoiding the outside world, until such time comes as I have to find a fatal one — or face the specter of really crushing and shameful poverty and public embarrassment. By that point, I don’t think there’s anything that would get me high enough that I wouldn’t be aware of being lebensunwertes leben in the eyes of the U.$.A.

          • Serai 1

            “Mental illness” is only that because that’s how we choose to see it. Other cultures have created social status for people whose perceptions are different. We prefer to shit on them and treat them like they’re broken. It’s all a matter of perspective – when a culture is mean-spirited and judgmental, people are going to get judged for everything, including who and what they are.

          • Three Finger Salute

            Yeah, but that was then and this is now. The American hegemony has ruined everything, and now people in post-colonial developing countries accuse the mentally ill of witchcraft, while we just do the more “modern industrial” thing of locking them up or doping them up. Not to mention, if one of the tenets of modern science is that the human condition is or should be malleable, then if people really want a set-it-and-forget-it “cure” for bipolar disorder, autism or even homosexuality or their racial phenotype, then they should be allowed to have one.

            I don’t buy into the whole neuro-diversity thing at all. To me it’s a quasi-Scientologist fringe movement that undermines the public health. Only with mental illness is this a thing for some reason; you don’t see people picketing the Jerry Lewis telethon or protesting the ice bucket challenge (but I’m sure that will change too). It also unfairly piggybacks off the language of the gay rights movement, i.e. comparing applied behavior analysis to “reparative therapy” and the like.

            There’s other “fixes” for things which aren’t necessarily fatal, but which the person wants to change. Laser vision correction, contact lenses, hair dye, and even a controversial cosmetic procedure that strips the melanin from one’s skin. As for mental illness, which is objectively “bad” in a way that brown hair, brown eyes and brown skin are not, if P.T.S.D. ruins someone’s life, but it’s impossible to get rid of the things that gave them that in the first place, then the more humane thing to do is to come up with some sort of “Narcan for rape” that makes people immune to being traumatized. It’d be like developing a vaccine for peanut allergies if people had no choice but to keep living on a peanut farm and the only job in town is at a Skippy factory. If people can’t adapt to their surroundings, and it’s not possible for them to relocate to better ones, let alone to make those conditions improve, then the only humane alternative is to find a way to help them adapt. (The last resort is to help them die. Which the opioid manufacturers seem more than willing to do.)

            The whole nature/nurture thing is of course a perpetual chicken-and-egg scenario. But the pragmatic reality is, I’m a component and a reflection of my environment just like everyone else is, and a square peg who’s going to be left to suffer and die because biologically (and thus, financially), I can’t fit myself into a society that demands round holes. More precisely, I’m perhaps an overly empathic person in a society that rewards assholes.

          • Serai 1

            Fine. To me, all of that is basically what we’ve come to think BECAUSE of this culture that proclaims any divergence from “normal” is OMG TERRIBLE AND MUST BE “CURED”. It’s exactly the mindset I’m talking about, one that’s getting to the point of yelling MENTAL ILLNESS for the slightest differences. And I’d much rather have a culture that has room and dignity and a use for everyone than one that decides stuffing people with pharmaceuticals just so they won’t be an inconvenience to anyone else. I’ve seen what that does, and it’s not something I think of as an advantage in any way.

      • Notreelyhelping

        Or unbelievably stressful work environments that need not be soul-destroying.

  • DerrickWildcat
    • Serai 1

      The gods forbid anyone should enjoy themselves instead of snuffling after money all day long!

  • Notreelyhelping

    Meanwhile, they’re running low on dope in Nevada.

    • tomamitai

      I bet they’ve still got plenty of derp, though.

    • Serai 1

      That’s pretty funny, actually. Also a great example of why we need to get rid of that Schedule 1 categorization. If you can’t move the weed across state lines, there’s going to be problems like this all over.

      • Notreelyhelping

        It’s just supply and demand: you’d think they’d at least understand that. Of course, they pretend to not understand anything that lessens their influence.

      • Three Finger Salute

        You say that like “creating problems” isn’t the intent.

  • Claire

    OT: So apparently it wasn’t enough for Trump to pick fights with the IC. Now he’s picking fights with the Secret Service.

    http://shareblue.com/secret-service-shoots-down-trump-camps-attempt-to-blame-them-for-russia-meeting/

    • tomamitai

      Unless Cheetolini and his minions are unwittingly admitting that someone who was receiving secret service protection at the time was at that meeting. Hmmmm, I wonder who that could have been?

      • Claire

        I know! Ben Carson! Or Hillary. For sure not The Donald, though, he would have told us humbly and openly.

    • Notreelyhelping

      “Heh-heh, now you boys know I was just playing a little politics there. We love you guys!”

      “Yes, sir,” he said, glancing away. “Thank you, sir.”

    • Serai 1

      Oh, yeah. Piss off the people who literally watch your back. That’ll definitely work out well!

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9524e9a8bf405aee6ecd9c28661d62019a5ab98840e89055214f4058bb4084b0.jpg

    • jesterpunk

      So pick a fight with the group that protects you and makes sure nothing happens to you? Its a bold strategy Cotton, lets see how it plays out.

      • Claire

        Not to mention that they’re around him all the time. Who wants to spend all their time in the middle of a bunch of larged armed guys giving you the stink-eye?

        • jesterpunk

          The secret service cant be happy protecting him, they had to talk to him a few times during the campaign and tell him to knock his shit off before he got someone killed. Now he tries to throw them under the bus too, that is just going to make them even happier to be around him.

        • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

          remember when a secret service agent (who wasn’t really and barely spent any time around hillary) wrote a book?

          I saw it on my library’s digital downloads page the other day.

          could you imagine if a few pissed of service folk got together? (and the head explosions on the right).

          • Claire

            Somebody’s going to be retiring to the French Riviera with the tell-all proceeds when this is all over. If you ask me, that’s why people are continuing to work for the Trump administration.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            cnn was saying the other day that Comey’s going to be writing a book.

  • TX Dept. of Space Tacos
    • TJ Barke

      Democratically you have the lowest approval rating of any president this early in their term.

    • Serai 1

      I agree with Rachel. His tweets aren’t worth paying any attention to.

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        (side eyes)

        Thanks for ruining my daily digest.
        I find them hilarious and fascinating. Who pends their sunday vacillating from the event they’re attending, to completely bogus claims about his opponent from 9 months ago, to whatever else drifts into his brain.

        • TJ Barke

          Someone with dementia…

        • Claire

          Trump is the platonic form of the old rich white guy who is totally convinced that everyone wants to hear his opinion on every topic, at all times.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            my theory is – it’s good for laughs.

            As a bunch of us said on inauguration day – mockery and laughter will fix all this.

          • Claire

            Well, it certainly seems to make Trump miserable, and I’m all for making Trump miserable.

          • Serai 1

            No. It’s a nice thought, but evidence and prosecution are what’s going to fix this. Mockery and laughter will make us feel better, though.

          • Serai 1

            They don’t have to be rich. My dad cannot stand to be in a room where his is not the voice holding court.

    • TundraGrifter

      “…illegally get the questions to the Debate [sic]…?” [sick]

      What a ultra maroon!

    • Résistance Land Shark Ω
  • Mormos

    what about money addiction huh?! How come no one ever warns children about the dangers of money addiction?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-tian-dayton/money-addiction_b_221937.html

    • tehbaddr

      You’re not down with greed!?

    • Stulexington

      Gotta get the green.

  • Seamus Romney
    • The Wanderer

      That doesn’t matter to them. Sessions is a shithead Southern racist scumbubble Senator, and Kushner’s a colorless, bloodless little rich boy who never had to lift a paw to do anything.

  • tomamitai

    These assholes don’t care that their anti-drug, anti-crime, anti-teen pregnancy, or anti-poverty programs don’t produce measurable results, they just want to impose their religious beliefs on the country under the guise of social improvement.

    • Serai 1

      And maximize profits for the private prison industry.

    • SayItWithWookies

      The just-say-no bullshit also has the added advantage that people who are dependent on one drug or another have the idea that it’s a character flaw — so they’re ashamed, don’t seek help, and don’t demand that something change when there aren’t nearly enough rehab or methadone maintenance programs to help them get off.

      • Serai 1

        Yet more shunting of the blame onto the ones least at fault. It’s a GOP thing, you know.

  • Carpe Vagenda

    The usual asshole community is all bent about the woman Doctor (hopefully including Moffat)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/af62119b6179661638e25273c6aaa042c09776c040b3f942d64ea498e51fb86d.jpg

    • Serai 1

      Gods, Morgan is SUCH an asshole.

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        a paid, professional asshole.

        That’s apparently a thing in the 21st Century.

    • The Wanderer

      Imagine the shitstorm if it had been Idris Elba.

      • Ω cynmac will never surrender

        Hmmm, Idris. Elba.

        • janecita

          Hands off!

      • Carpe Vagenda

        I still think having a british sex symbol of african descent as Bond, the symbolic penis of the era of declining cold war colonialism, would be epic.

    • Ω cynmac will never surrender

      Not surprised Piers Morgan is being an ass. Have we expatriated his ass to Britain yet?

      • Yr. Gma

        I think he’s there most of the time.

  • Résistance Land Shark Ω

    46 Republicans Join Democrats to Slap Trump in the Face With Huge Climate Change Concession

    “Forty-six House Republicans joined Democrats Thursday to protect language in defense policy legislation that calls climate change a ‘direct threat’ to national security and requires new Defense Department analysis of its effect on the military. The House voted 185-234 against GOP Rep. Scott Perry’s amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act that would have stripped the language.”

  • m3bosha

    When I was a sophomore (94/95) in college I took a class called Persuasion. The final paper/oral presentation was to explain how a “persuasion” succeeded or failed. My partner and I chose DARE. But the final conclusion we came to is DARE was a huge fail of a campaign. According to the polling, more kids did drugs after DARE then immediately before, and it introduced kids to drugs they would have been completely unaware of. It was hilarious. The professor had no idea that is where we were going. (I went to UCCS in Colo Spgs… liberal professors my ass…)

    • Three Finger Salute

      Streisand Effect before it even had a name.

  • Serai 1
    • mancityRed6

      I would do exactly that, in between the video gaming

      • covfefesumgame0005

        between? I love going on a raid or a dungeon and keeping my bong right next to me :)

        • mancityRed6

          let’s just say I would press pause once in a while.
          oh, and this was on the PS1

          • clubseal

            Resident Evil 2 while high would have been freaky as shit.

          • Jennifer R

            The first time I played RE5 was with a friend, and we had just done some huge bong rips. This was back before I had as much of a tolerance as I do now and man the high def violence in surround sound was pretty scary.

          • mancityRed6

            resident evil one in the dark was bad enough sober

        • Jennifer R

          Used to raid and raid lead progression heroics with goons back in the day. Everyone knew it would be a crap day without much success if I was both out of weed and out of alcohol. Like once they actually paused the raid for half an hour so I could go out and buy some booze and stop fucking up flying for Alysrazor.

          • covfefesumgame0005

            been there! I have no problem waiting a bit for stuff like that, we all need our RL supplies!

      • Serai 1

        I don’t need gaming for an excuse! In fact, now that we’re talking about it… *sssssssssssssssssssssst*

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1bbc0ffbec7c5ab9b204f66f60e768fc05d1c4051b49d17912f9e77873b58c7d.gif

        • mancityRed6

          yeah, well, I’d have to go to Colorado…which I might still do before fall.

          • Serai 1

            I’d be happy to send you some edibles!

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            *cough* federal crime *cough cough*

          • Serai 1

            True. Fuck me for trying to be helpful!

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            i get the sentiment, just don’t want no trouble for ya.

          • Serai 1

            Thanks for kind thought, dude. :)

          • mancityRed6

            you let me know prices and we can talk.

          • Serai 1

            My emails at my Disqus profile. Drop me a line!

          • mancityRed6

            sent

  • Résistance Land Shark Ω

    The GOP’s moral rot is the problem, not Donald Trump Jr.

    We have always had in our political culture narcissists, ideologues and flimflammers, but it took the 21st-century GOP to put one in the White House. It took elected leaders such as House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) and the Republican National Committee (not to mention its donors and activists) to wave off Trump’s racists attacks on a federal judge, blatant lies about everything from 9/11 to his own involvement in birtherism, replete evidence of disloyalty to America (i.e. Trump’s “Russia first” policies), misogyny, Islamophobia, ongoing potential violations of the Constitution’s emoluments clause (along with a mass of conflicts of interests), firing of an FBI director, and now, evidence that the campaign was willing to enlist a foreign power to defeat Clinton in the presidential election.

    • The Wanderer

      And?

      • Résistance Land Shark Ω

        It’s Jennifer Rubin … you expected a coherent conclusion or something?

  • Résistance Land Shark Ω
  • mancityRed6

    so there’s an asphalt walking trail halfway around the complex. it’s not straight, there are curves around the trees and such.
    it’s almost 3 pm here and I just saw a coyote go by at full jog and it stayed on the path

    • Résistance Land Shark Ω

      It’s the Coyote Hour at the pool?

      • tehbaddr

        Had places to be, things to do, crotches to sniff!

      • mancityRed6

        I’m just surprised to see one during the day.

        • Résistance Land Shark Ω

          Well, pool side cocktails are half price AND those Mousie Snax are tasty …

          Our coyotes tend to be twilight travelers. The red foxes, OTOH, seem to like the early morning.

          • mancityRed6

            my boy Ray and I saw a red fox out by the quarry in Joplin once. that was weird. it was only about 20′ away.

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      that’s awesome.

      Around here, dogs are often loose (hey, it’s texas).

      A few months ago, I saw this huge dog jogging down the sidewalk in the neighborhood, then at the corner he followed the path around it. (There’s car wash place on that corner, he could have easily cut through, but he stuck to the path).

      • mancityRed6

        I thought it was a dog at first, several people here walk off leash…but then I looked again. nope, coyote.

    • OutOfOrbit

      Was he smuggling Messicans?

      • mancityRed6

        no, and no bags of drugs either.
        it’s only a second floor balcony, I’ve climbed one before.

    • janecita

      My husband thinks that they look like mangy dogs.

      • mancityRed6

        I’ve never gotten close to one, but it looked like it had a good coat from at least 30 feet away and 12 feet up

      • grindstone

        Our Florida coyotes are ridiculously healthy looking. I assume they eat the squirrels and fruit rats, who in turn eat a LOT of citrus, mangoes, and avocados, so they get those nutrients. The fruit rats themselves are terribly robust.

    • Komsumverweigerer Ron

      Was it following a road runner?

    • CripesAmighty
  • tehbaddr
  • TundraGrifter

    In other news, Ann Coulter is whining like the Snowflake she is because Delta moved her from one airplane seat to another.

    Why did she need Delta? Is her broom broken?

    • Résistance Land Shark Ω

      The tweets storm on that one is awesome.

      • Ω cynmac will never surrender

        Delta’s stock went up, also too.

    • TJ Barke

      HAHAHA THAT JOKE IS SO ORIGINAL!

      • covfefesumgame0005

        if you have a problem with old stale jokes, snark and dick jokes I suggest you go elsewhere for “entertainment”. lots of that kind of stuff here

        • Lance Thrustwell

          I personally specialize in recycled cliches and old, obvious jokes. I call it “vintage discourse.”

          • covfefesumgame0005

            vintage is such an interesting word! :)

        • TJ Barke

          No shit? That must be why I’ve been here since 2011.

          It’s just that fucking everybody made the broom joke on that thread…

          • covfefesumgame0005

            then do what most of do in that situation. make even WORSE jokes! it’s fun, really try it! you could have gone the “where do you stick it” route or the good old “wood, plastic or metal handle” way for instance! lots of better ways to deal with that kind of thing then the snarling growling way you did. I KNOW I have up-voted you before, is today just a bad day maybe? can we cheer you up? is it family (ick, they can be the worst!) or a friend or are you feeling sick or something? I have those days too, so don’t be shy dude, open up!

            hell, did you go some place like Mediaite and get depressed?

          • Yr. Gma

            You have to appreciate the classics, TJ.

      • janecita

        Dude, we can’t be original all the time!

        • TJ Barke

          But can we at least avoid being unoriginal?

          • janecita

            It is hard when the person looks like an old, washed out witch.

          • clubseal

            All witch libels!

          • clubseal

            At this point in human history, probably not. I mean, I’m sure cave men and women were making dick jokes as soon as they figured out how to communicate.

          • The Wanderer

            Old jokes are good. I know when to laugh.

          • clubseal

            … and she said, “No, but that’s an awful nice ski mask!”

          • CripesAmighty

            What? You against recycling or sump’n?

            We only sell the best vintage jokes here.
            Edit: (And Instant Replays when we’re too lazy to scroll down.)

          • grindstone

            We can only attempt it, TJ, we can only attempt.

      • Serai 1
    • mancityRed6

      the better question is why is she flying coach as a “best selling author”?

      • Suttree

        Does Fox not pay her to show up? Inquiring minds want to know!

        • mancityRed6

          I shudder to think of what she actually spends her money on. virgin blood? barrels of gin? 100 monkeys and 100 typewriters to get her new book out?

          • janecita

            I want 100 monkeys!

          • mancityRed6

            go to the local zoo’s primate house and then see if you can handle it.

          • janecita

            At the Havana zoo, the monkeys would throw their feces at people. They were mean as hell! I never liked going to the zoo as a kid, the damn monkeys ruined it for me.

          • mancityRed6

            I’ve been to zoos in San Diego, Omaha (they both tie for the best), St Louis, and Kansas City.
            never had a poop thrower.

          • janecita

            What can I say, Cuban monkeys are assholes.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            sooooo much poop.

      • Mehmeisterjr

        It has been suggested that this particular airplane did not have a first class section. I’m not sure if that detail has been nailed down.

        Still, assuming this is so, it doesn’t let Ann off the hook. She, who is so enamored of plutocracy, should have hired her own 747, if she really wanted leg room.

        I mean, she isn’t proposing that we re-regulate the airlines, right?

        Yeah, I didn’t think so. She is fine with Delta treating everybody else like shit under their shoe. It is only when she is mildly inconvenienced that the whining starts.

        Incidentally, the pictures of the other passengers are priceless. They look like they want to be transferred to other seats where colicky children kick their headrests. Anything but Ann Coulter.

        • mancityRed6

          even the smallest 727s I’ve been on have had business class seats.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            this thing appeared to be one of those tiny ass commuter jets with 2 seats on each side.

          • mancityRed6

            so now the question is what kind of podunk town was she flying into?

          • Mehmeisterjr

            Somebody should have told La Coulter that the Graf Hindenburg had leg room aplenty. Oh, the inhumanity!

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Not even that – she bought an extra seat so she wouldn’t have to sit next to someone and Delta dared to give that seat to a standby passenger WHO WASN’T A WHITE PERSON!

      • Mehmeisterjr

        RS can get sloppy with the details. Apparently, she didn’t buy a second seat. She bought an aisle seat so she could stretch out her once-upon-a-time impressive legs but Delta, in accordance with the small print in her ticket, exercised its right to reassign her to a less-entitled location and temporarily restrict her leg room. Because more money. For Delta.

        Now some people might think that deregulating the airlines might just possibly lead to a corporate culture of treating passengers like cattle. They might even mock Our Annie for complaining about the inevitable results of the very policies she has spent her life pushing.

        But I prefer not to mock her. I am above that. A simple, “Fuck you, Ann Coulter!” is enough for me.

    • The Wanderer
    • Serai 1

      Because Epsilon Airways didn’t have any seats free.

    • natoslug

      Witches libelz@!!!!!!!!!

    • Covfefe

      Ann is trying to fly incognito because there is a witch hunt in progress.

  • Ω cynmac will never surrender

    OT (or not)? I am watching movies on an HD channel and this commercial ran – for a Trump Teddy Bear. I shit you not.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9qv8RSreIM

    • The Wanderer

      Trumpy Bear looks like a Grumpy Bear because his model’s a Frumpy Bear.

    • Résistance Land Shark Ω

      This is the stuff nightmares are made of.

      • The Wanderer

        The nightmare would be a plush Trump figure that wasn’t a voodoo doll.
        With votes. Pointy votes.

        • Serai 1

          Well now, that’s a great idea. Voodoo bear! I’ll have to buy one specifically to use as a pincushion.

          • Ω cynmac will never surrender

            $40 bucks.

    • mancityRed6

      dammit!
      this is what I mean when I say I can’t grift.
      mainly the conscience thing, but also that I don’t have any contacts in China to make the cheap shit like this that his supporters will eat up.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Trumpy Bear is Pedobear anyway. He burst in the dressing room of 14-year-old beauty pageant contestants and of course loves to have Ivanka sit on daddy’s lap. The perverse robber bearon Teddy Fuxpin isn’t worthy of carrying Teddy Roosevelt’s jock strap.

      • mancityRed6

        my idea, a teddy ruxpin with a faux whatever the fuck that is on tRump’s head that just quotes tRump, no matter what you say to it.
        maybe use a word or two, as in “no ____, no_____, you’re the _____”
        the rubes bought that singing fish billy bass, they’ll buy this.

    • Serai 1

      Oh, I can see the memes starting up as we speak…

    • susan_g

      There has already been issued a recall of these bears as consumers complained that they repeatedly shit the bed.

    • Komsumverweigerer Ron

      How long until these start showing up in thrift stores?

      • Mehmeisterjr

        How long until these start showing up in land fills?

    • tomamitai

      If Trump saw that, his first thought would be “where’s my cut”, and his second would be “they love me!”.

  • jaspersdad

    “The meeting took place at the Calgary Stampede on Saturday, where two-month-old Justin Trudeau Adam Bilan slept happily as the prime minister briefly held him.

    The boy’s parents, Muhammad and Afraa Bilan, named him as a gesture of thanks to the country that offered them sanctuary.

    The family came to Canada from Damascus in February last year, after escaping the Syria’s war. Their son was born several months after their arrival in Alberta.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/16/justin-trudeau-meets-baby-justin-trudeau

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/24baf0c348d5b346c450e0ee0549bd7ab53f6300001c4def5c7632864ae443cc.jpg

    • Three Finger Salute

      There’s a lot of babbies named Justin Trudeau being born among the refugee population in Canada. Apparently it’s an Islamic tradition to name your child after an “admirable or heroic figure” (which I’m sure is a tradition in other cultures as well). So who better than the leader of a country who opened the door to a policy that meant saving your life?

      Which means that it’s entirely likely there’ll be another Justin Trudeau as prime minister someday, and a 0% chance of one named Donald Trump.

      Because it’s 2050.

      • Serai 1

        I’m pretty sure Justin will never have to look far for a really great meal, no matter where he is in Canada. Way too many refugees eager to stuff him full of wonderful home-cooked food!

      • jaspersdad

        Con supporters:

        “Look at all these future Liberal voters.”

        • Three Finger Salute

          Ezra Levant must have popped a vein by now.

          • Mehmeisterjr

            If it must be Levant, let it be Oscar.

            If it must be Ezra…. Well, I’m stumped. Not Pound, for sure. Any suggestions?

      • Mehmeisterjr

        There is an even slimmer chance of a baby being named Donald Trump Junior, in honor of the one thirty-nine year old kid who is even dumber than Donald Trump, though at least equally as vicious, corrupt and unpatriotic.

    • Serai 1

      *wipes a tear away*

      • grindstone

        That brought a tear, seriously, and a glimmer of hope for humanity. Not here in the US, obviously, but wherever, doesn’t matter.

    • Claire

      What a precious baby, and what a beautiful mother.

    • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

      That sound you hear is the collective gasp of the entire Midwest at a Muslim wearing a cowboy hat.

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        that’s trudeau.

        • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

          I realized that after, but left it because I’m sure the Midwest thinks Trudeau is a secret Muslim.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            fair enough.

          • Three Finger Salute

            They’re not very creative in their conspiracy theories, are they. I seem to recall someone else being called a secret Muslim and a communist who was born in some other country. But he was born in West Kanye instead of Cuba. Has Chump dispatched Jerkaldo to Havana to go digging for Justin’s Spanish birth certificate yet?

          • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

            He’s sure it’s in Batista’s vault, although Batista died several years before Justin was born.

          • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

            Meant deposed.

        • jaspersdad
  • ken_kukec

    Lord, grant me the serenity to deal with the Maureens and Jefferson Beauregards of the world …

    • The Wanderer

      Satan, get these god-botherers off my back so I can live my life.

  • Suttree

    In the first grade the DARE program taught me what drugs looked like. So when I got to eight grade I kinda at least knew what I was buying.

    • Ω cynmac will never surrender

      As a child of the 1960’s, I missed out on DARE. We had the After School Specials in the 1970’s. Many were mocked heavily. Go Ask Alice (1973) is an example. Of course, there was no Alice. The book was a fabrication.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_Ask_Alice
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBxT53r2AlU

      • Serai 1

        Ah, but William Shatner was the bomb in his ugly glasses and plaid suits!

      • mancityRed6

        it was a helluva funny book, though.

      • Kakariki

        I don’t remember the movie, but when I was in junior high I worked in the school library and it seemed all the girls read that book. It was checked out constantly.

        But they had to ask permission to check out Judy Blume’s Forever, which was kept locked in the librarian’s office.

      • I remember seeing Alice when I was about 8 or 9. It has a very quick shot of two guys in bed together giggling when Alice discovers them. Naturally she runs out of the room SCREAMING her lungs out and takes some more dope.

        A real eye-opener moment for this confused kid.

        • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

          in this same vein, Panic in Needle Park is a great al pacino movie…that is all.

          • Maggielle

            The scene with the puppy on the ferry was enough to scare me straight.

    • TJ Barke

      Drugs Are Really Excellent.

      • Suttree

        Only if you buy them from the right person.

    • Jennifer R

      DARE was on the list of “Authority figures that are supposed to help you, but really just want to hurt you”, along with Parents, Teachers, and Police at large. To 7 year old me Authority existed only to abuse those weaker than it.

      • Suttree

        In second grade, I walked a friend home and then got lost on my way home. This was in Brooklyn in the 80’s. I saw some cops, and did not ask them for directions!

      • Serai 1

        Definitely a lesson I learned very young, as well.

  • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

    I got my start on alcohol and drugs as an alter boy stealing communion wine after mass. Tasted lousy, but kicked like a mule. Take that, motherfuckers.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Yer a blood-gulpin madman!

    • Serai 1

      My parents are Old World, so we were given extremely drowned wine coolers (like an inch of wine in a full glass of 7-Up) from about the age of seven, and we got so used to the taste that none of us siblings got interested in real drinking. My bro drank for about three or four months, and then lost interest; my sister drinks wine or beer with meals, Spanish style, and I’ve never liked it at all. I do like the taste of wine (and a nice brandy) but I absolutely HATE the effects. (On top of the usual, alcohol also makes my joints ache. Don’t ask me why, as I have no fucking idea, but it’s a convenient extra reason not to drink.)

      • janecita

        I used to do scotch shots with my dad and my uncle when I was 16. I’ve only been drunk 4 times in my whole life.

        • Serai 1

          I got drunk once when I was a teenager. That’s when I realized how much I hated the effects.

      • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

        After my start with aforementioned wine, and a trip through the entire drug shopping list, culminating in a battle with the needle, I confine myself to a gin or two, or some wine a few times a year. My biggest vice now, much to the chagrin of my Dr. is tobacco and Pepsi. But perspective!

    • mancityRed6

      there was wine in the fridge sometimes, and there was a quart of beer for when the slugs got to be too much in the basement. I tried the beer, at 10 or 12, I said never again.
      I usually make myself a liar.

    • BoatOfVelociraptors

      Stopping kids like you is literally how the Welch’s juice empire started.

  • Jennifer R

    My first drug was my mother giving me full strength coffee before I was old enough to talk. Caffeine is a gateway.

    • OutOfOrbit

      Well that explains a lot.

    • leemoder

      Mother’s Milk leads to everything.

    • mancityRed6

      coffee was first had (with a shit tonne of sugar) at the wedding I went to in ’86?
      which would have made me 12
      I got tweaked enough to be the official pumper of the beer keg

    • Ω cynmac will never surrender

      Scotch on a cotton ball to numb a sore tooth. Paragoric from a babysitter to ensure I would sleep. Before I was 10 (1972), I was exposed to lots of stuff.

      • tomamitai

        Oh yeah, I forgot about that remedy for teething pain. My Gramma used to make cough syrup from whisky, honey, and lemon, too.

  • Résistance Land Shark Ω
  • Ricky Gay
  • Michael R
  • Raan

    5$F, I am disappoint.

    How could you forget about Pee-Wee Herman telling us about crack?

    https://youtu.be/pPpoexFypIk

    • mancityRed6

      and I’m gonna post it on the facespace page.
      thanks

    • Three Finger Salute

      Masturbating in a theater is no way to go through life, son.

      • Mehmeisterjr

        At the time, they were selling “I’m Pulling for Pee Wee” t-shirts.

  • OutOfOrbit

    Caffeine! That’s what I was gonna say.

  • Riley Whodat Venable

    DARE is a great program. How else will kids know which drug is which? You don’t want them paying for Coke and getting Meth do you? Or paying for weed and getting Kush.

  • susan_g

    Sessions’ frequent uttering of gibberish, that goofy grin, the memory lapses (what russian meetings?), are all characteristics of a typical hard-core stoner. As everyone else in this crew, he does what he accuses others of doing.

    • jesterpunk

      Willie Nelson is a hardcore stoner and he remembers more then Sessions does.Sessions is a racist lying keebler elf reject.

      • Ω cynmac will never surrender

        Fudge Stripes Libelz!!11!11

    • mancityRed6

      I’ll go with jester, he knows exactly what he’s doing.

  • Jan Ness

    Currently watching the History Channel America’s War on Drugs. This is a failed program started by Nixon and championed by the Reagan WH all the while the CIA was involved with cocaine and gun smuggling according to the program. SMH

    • mancityRed6

      have they gotten to the part where Nixon gives Elvis his own badge yet?

      • Serai 1

        Did you see the recent movie about that? Really funny.

        • mancityRed6

          I did not. title?

          • tomamitai
          • Ω cynmac will never surrender

            It’s available on Amazon Prime. #WINNING

          • mancityRed6

            I live in a cave. a cave with google fiber. all I need is netflix and no commercial hulu.

          • Serai 1

            Elvis and Nixon. Came out last year. :)

          • mancityRed6

            I don’t do the cable. the only time I see commercials is when I go to a friends house.

          • Serai 1

            I don’t have TV at all. I know about it via the intertoobz.

          • mancityRed6

            see, I just don’t go to _those_ sites.

          • Serai 1

            You mean sites where people talk about movies? Because that’s where I heard about it. I also saw the trailer on imdb.

      • Mr. Blobfish

        Elvis was so loaded on pills he rattled when he walked. But those were good white people drugs, prescribed by a doctor.

        • tomamitai

          🎜He knew every pill he’d eat🎝
          🎜Would be one less on the street🎝
          🎜Elvis took ’em all for you and me🎝

          https://youtu.be/zIcy8ZgAt3k

    • Three Finger Salute

      Wow, there’s something on the History channel that isn’t about aliens or Hitler?

  • So sad and tired of the Doritos stereotypes of weed smokers.
    In Oregon, many of us laser scientists use the stuff like lab equipment.
    Like Professor Snoop Dogg says “It makes me feel the way I need to feel”

    /offsoapbox
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d56bf338b951a2fe68349cd07adef887350d3e1efc227fba455cf72207d14eb9.jpg

    • TJ Barke
    • mancityRed6

      nice calipers.

      • If I had a dime bag for every time I heard that pick-up line…

        • mancityRed6

          ugh, the employer provided calipers that went to .0001 went bad and the only ones they had only went to .001. this was at least 6-8 months ago now. and if I run a part that is +/-.002 I have to use something that goes to .0001.

          • Komsumverweigerer Ron

            Never had calipers with that kind of accuracy. But then, I still have a pair of old-fashioned vernier calipers, where you have to know how to read the offset scale. To be accurate to a tenth of a thou, they’d need to be about 8 feet long.

          • mancityRed6

            I’ve used 4′ calipers before, digital and the frame was made of fiberglass.

    • Courser_Resistance

      Oh, Blue Dream and Lemon Haze! Very nice strains! The grinder looks a lot like mind but mine’s dirtier

      • Jennifer R

        Blue Dream was the first strain I bought when I got a rec. A very nice strain I have fond feelings for.

        • Courser_Resistance

          If I’m not mistaken, Blue Dream is basically what comprises Chong’s Choice Sativa. My dispensary often stocks Blue Dream next to Chong’s Choice for sometimes Middle Shelf prices. I always try to score that when I can.

          • Jennifer R

            Yeah Sativas are what I usually go for. Jack Harrar is another prime choice. Once the place I went to in San Fran had this Red Congolese and I snagged the last 8th. Most expensive 8th I have ever bought, but the only time in ages something was hit and quit for me.

    • Panika MCD

      you use Doritos for what kind of lab equipment?

    • Jennifer R

      You are a laser scientist and you still combust? You should have some kickass laser based vaporiser.

      • Tried waxes, concentrates, shatter, crumble and still prefer good old keif sprinkled over ground flowers. The bud tenders here and Washington State are very knowledgeable…

    • Suttree

      I’m confused. What are the digital calipers for?

      • Jennifer R

        Fancy roach clip.

      • To measure a wide range of physical properties (dimension, film thickness, step height, cross section, roughness, stress,
        stiction, modulus elasticity, response time, thermal expansion, resonance frequency, etc.) silly…

        • Suttree

          *the machinist in me is laughing!*

  • WY_cryptid

    Just flew with senator barrasso (my senator) to Denver. Did not feel safe with him in emergency exit row if that attempt at the healthcare bill writing/voting is any indication. Also told him to vote no on the bill and start working with democrats on health care. Old white hair men with cowboy hats got angry at me. I told ’em it’s ok, I’m a constituate. Bloody Mary layover, now!

    • Get yourself a double…. you earned it.

    • Courser_Resistance

      Oh, if you were in Denver longer, I’d show you around!

      At least the airport is nice.

  • Juan de Fuca

    O/T Ann Coulter is going on a Twitter rampage because Delta gave her pre-booked seat to another passenger:

    Ann Coulter’s series of tweets targeting Delta Airlines stretched into a second day on Sunday after the conservative author said she lost a prebooked “extra-room” seat on a flight.

    “The worst airline in America” she said in a tweet Saturday night.
    “Just when you think it’s safe to fly them again, the worst airline in America is STILL: @Delta,” she added.

    Coulter said a flight attendant responded “I don’t know” when asked why the “extra-room seat I specifically booked” was given to another customer.
    Coulter then took a picture of the woman who was given the seat, and said she was “not an air marshal or tall person.”

    The conservative commentator said she was told the seat was given to the woman, who appeared to be sitting with her family, for an “emergency.”

    “Suckiest @Delta moved me from my PRE-BOOKED SEAT & gave it to some woman, not elderly, child, or sick. I have pictures so don’t lie, @Delta!”

    Poor snowflake is probably realizing she should’ve just stuck with her broom.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ann-coulter-bashes-delta-airlines-in-tweetstorm/ar-BBEwd3s?li=AA4ZnC&ocid=spartanntp

    • Master Contrail Program

      Should’ve went with United, Ann.

    • Courser_Resistance

      If that woman had a scintilla of self-awareness, she’d evaporate with a poof. And probably leave a foul smell behind.

    • Yr. Gma

      I hate to agree with Ann Coulter, but Delta truly does suck.

      • jesterpunk

        Yeah they do, they made someone sit next to Ann Coulter on a flight.

        • TJ Barke

          I wouldn’t do that to my worst enemy…

          • jesterpunk

            Isnt that banned under some law or another? Its bad enough to be in one of those seats with no room to move but to have Ann Coulter next to you is torture.

          • TJ Barke

            It’s definitely cruel and unusual.

        • Juan de Fuca

          And who in the fuck takes pictures of someone just because that person got your prebooked seat on a plane? Because that’s not creepy at all.

        • CripesAmighty

          Ftw.

      • RobKanC

        My delta experience was altogether different. I was flying them on Election Day. I was talking to this flight attendant and she was a Clinton supporter. Of course she did not say that. I was so excited about Clinton victory(*cries*), that I was telling her how awesome it will be to have our very first women president (*sobbing on the floor now*). Her face lit up and she was all smiles and gave me a delta wing badge when we landed. And on he return flight they upgraded me to their comfort plus seats(not related). So yeah. They are not that bad.

        • CripesAmighty

          I despise flying period. Think about it: 4 hours wasted in the airport clusterfuck, and the remainder stuffed in a can. Too bad–used to be fun.

          If I can drive it in 8 hrs or less, I rent a Cadillac–play cool tunes and check out the scenery and BBQ/seafood/??? Joints along the way.

          *cheaper, too.

          • Ω cynmac will never surrender

            Amtrak. I take Amtrak. Dining and lounge car. You meet cool people. You can take 2 bags on train and check 2 more, no extra charge.
            The Southern Crescent from New Orleans to DC. Atlanta to DC is $144 one way and since I am disabled, I get a free upgrade to Business Class with bigger seats. When I went to DC in June for the March for Truth, most of the people in my car were older disabled people. It was sooo quiet.

          • CripesAmighty

            Way cool. On the bucket list!

          • Komsumverweigerer Ron

            I’d take the train everywhere if I didn’t need a car at both ends of the trip.

          • RobKanC

            Flying isn’t awesome. But driving is too much sometimes. I will probably be ok with driving once we have semi autonomous no attention cruise systems are available. I just did a 8 hour trip to Pennsylvania with the Mrs. it was fun but a bit tedious. Vowed to fly next time.

          • Komsumverweigerer Ron

            Airliners aren’t flying. Airliners are a bus you can’t get off of.
            Light planes? THAT is flying.
            <sobs because his diabeetus prevents him from flying any more>

    • Bill D. Burger
      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        delta’s just happy they’re being celebrated at all these days.

        • Juan de Fuca

          “We’re still not as bad as United.” – Delta

          • Bill D. Burger

            United would have put a beat down on her fugly ass!

        • tomamitai

          The delta of Venus is quite well celebrated on the intertubes, based on all the pictures and videos of it that exist there.

    • UnsaltedSinner
      • Juan de Fuca

        Eggzactly.

      • tomamitai

        It’s OKIYAR, and white also too, of course.

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        19 tweets?

        SNOWFLAKE!

    • tomamitai

      Gee, if only there were some kind of an organization that could impose, oh, I don’t know, maybe some sort of regulations on companies to keep them from fucking over their customers when the invisible hand of the market isn’t up to the task? Too bad we’re not allowed to have something like that, because it would be against the secret Constitution that Jesus gave us that limited the federal government’s role to defending the nation from teen science student’s creeping robo-sharia.

      • Mehmeisterjr

        But that would be Socialumisnum!

        If the airlines don’t get to treat you like passengers on the next train to Buchenwald, it is TYRANNY!!!!!!1!1,1,1!!!!<1!

        Well, other than Ann Coulter herself, who should never suffer the slightest, tiny bending of her doe-like gams.

    • Ω cynmac will never surrender

      Delta stock has gone up since this happened, also too.

    • shivaskeeper

      Fuck Ann Coulter. That is all.

    • Dg Hacket

      I would like to thank Delta

    • I was wondering if she was still throwing a hissy fit about that.

      Is there nothing that doesn’t inflame her rage?

  • BosGrl

    I’m not going to comment on this story because I know you’re all sick of me talking about my daughter, except to say that if loser boyfriend had narc’d 2 days before the “love of [his] life” died, when he was here and saw a fresh needle mark, I might not be going through life like a ghost right now. I am pro-narc’ing because it could save a life. Now I’ll shut up.

    • mancityRed6

      one good thing I’ve done in my life, I got a girl to stop shooting meth.
      she came over to my apartment on new years eve in ’96 and promptly fell asleep. that’s how I knew.

    • Panika MCD

      but you do support treatment over prison and having all public safety departments requiring their vehicles to have narcan and their employees trained in using them also too, yes?

      • Yr. Gma

        Since BosGirl’s daughter died as a result of this scourge, I think she gets to have any opinion she wants. Let’s not press the issue.

        • BosGrl

          Thanks – you really don’t know how you’ll feel about things until you’re on this side. But I know I annoy people.

          • Yr. Gma

            You don’t annoy me.

          • Komsumverweigerer Ron

            Really? Not that I’ve ever noticed.
            I for one (and I suspect many others) took a moment to consider our opinions about this when you spoke up. We all need that from time to time.

      • BosGrl

        Yes to all.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      If it matters to you, you should express it even if reasonable people disagree with you. You speak from a place of personal experience and loss, and that is a view that needs to be heard.

    • shivaskeeper

      Never apologize for talking from personal experience.

    • Debbie the Unpaid Protester

      I’m so sorry that happened to your child. I can’t imagine anything worse. Hugs.

      • BosGrl

        thanks

    • Bill D. Burger

      Sessions: “Neyuxt’ they’ull be a dancin ‘ the Lindy Hop and datin’ colored people.”

  • Susan Szews

    Before reading anyone else’s comments, because I’m sure at least 20 other people have already said it; that Cleaner Girl commercial ABSOLUTELY made me want to do meth in the, what early 1990s? When I was just starting out in the real world as a very young adult? Holy SHIT I would have given it a whirl had I known how to get some in order to get my Very First And Very Dingy apartment clean.

    So in conclusion, I’m glad I was a little bit sheltered and did not know how to obtain meth.

    • mancityRed6

      hmm, that would have been about the same time I cut the cable…and about the same time I did the meth a few times. weird.

      • Susan Szews

        Did you then also get a clean apartment / house?

        • mancityRed6

          sadly, no
          but I got to level whatever in whatever video game I had at the time.

    • tomamitai

      I’m too chicken to try illegal drugs that require a knowledge of chemistry to produce. Weed you just need to plant, although I understand some of it gets contaminated with pesticides and herbicides, but so does most of the food we eat.

      • TundraGrifter

        Paraquat libelz!

    • Claire

      Yeah, I’m not sure “Hey, your apartment will be really really clean!” would have been a drawback in my eyes.

      • Susan Szews

        Basically what all of us GenX ladies said at our GenX coffeehouse waybackwhen. I mean, this was back before any of us knew about the teeth falling out issue, which would have been a much bigger deterrent than feeling bugs under our skin, I tell you what.

    • Suttree

      I never got around to caulking the bathroom sink, until I started doing coke.

    • clubseal

      I might be an isolated case, but the “Faces of Meth” thing made me not want to do meth, ever. That and this witness in a murder trial I was reporting on had been a meth user and holy shit did she make it sound like a horrible time.

      • Ω cynmac will never surrender

        “Speed Kills” was the slogan when I was a teen. That it came back as meth and people actually ingested it has amazed me.

  • Michael R

    Shanshan Feng might get to meet Trump on Sunday if she holds onto her lead and he sticks around to award the trophy. That led to this hilarious exchange on Saturday night:

    REPORTER: Have you thought about what you might say to President Trump if you had an opportunity to talk to him?

    FENG: Hmmm. You want to talk about what I’m wearing tomorrow (instead)?

  • JParkerSD46

    In all seriousness, if Sessions and his reactionary friends were truly concerned about young lives being lost because of drugs, perhaps he should take note that four young men were murdered in Pennsylvania were supposedly looking to buy weed from the killer. This is certainly not an isolated incident. Maybe these four men, and many others, would be alive today if drug laws, especially those related to the sale and use of marijuana, were less restrictive. Simply my opinion.

    • Yr. Gma

      I believe those men were all from a Trumpy area of Pennsylvania.

      • mancityRed6

        that’s not how you should look at it.
        technically, I’m from a tRumpy state, it doesn’t mean anything to me because I didn’t vote for the bastard.

        • Yr. Gma

          I didn’t mean to suggest all such places are full of killers. I was just making an observation.

          • mancityRed6

            yeah, here in KC they do a search for a particular body and find a couple of others they weren’t looking for.

          • Yr. Gma

            Happens all the time in southern California, too.

          • Courser_Resistance

            Here in the Denver Metro, too. The SAR team we train with was just telling us that they recently found an unexpected body on a search. So they used it as an inject into our SAR exercise yesterday. It too me a while to understand that it was a ‘staged’ DB, not an actual, ‘real-live dead person’ as I referred to it.

            On the 4th of July, we did a morning line-search exercise and we were warned that we could stumble on a dead person there too.

            Really kind of chilling.

          • Covfefe

            In The academy, serendipity is poorly regarded.

          • Juan de Fuca

            I was thinking the same thing earlier today while reading about that story. Bizarre and sad. And Trump supporters are worried about Muslim refugees. SMH.

    • mancityRed6

      what about that whole family in..what, two separate locations in southern Ohio not that long ago? wasn’t that all about drugs?

    • tomamitai

      Strangely enough, violence related to the illegal alcohol trade dropped off precipitously after prohibition was repealed.

      • CripesAmighty

        And so did wheelbarrows full of kickbacks to grifty politicians. Oooh, wait…

      • OrG

        But the organized criminal syndicates stayed.

        • Komsumverweigerer Ron

          Why throw away something that works so well?

      • David Chaillou

        Yeah, but think of the families of all those cops who lost their main source of income as a result. Solid citizens surely deserve more consideration than all those gettho thugs, don’t they?

    • Three Finger Salute

      if Sessions and his reactionary friends were truly concerned about young lives being lost because of drugs, perhaps he

      …would divest his stock portfolio from the private prison and pharmaceutical industries.

      I rest my case.

    • ZangoCrudmonger

      Stupid shit like this still happens in Oregon where weed is abundant and legal. http://katu.com/news/local/family-identifies-man-killed-in-gresham-as-alex-brodigan-father-to-newborn-baby

  • Mr. Blobfish
    • mancityRed6

      what did I just…oh, god, the flashbacks, why did I not believe them

  • Courser_Resistance

    I’ve been smoking weed day and night for the last 9 months. I’m happier, more effective in everything I do, have far less anxiety and have lost at least 15 pounds because I no longer anxiety eat shit. I’m lookin’ good and healthy. Now I just need to quit smoking… which is 1st order of business after I land my perm job.

    What was the evil Keebler elf saying about marijuana again?

  • Kiri the Unicorn

    OT: I gave Raffi a bath, so now I am a bad person who should feel bad.

    • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

      Yes, yes you should!

    • Jennifer R

      GDI now Octopus’ Garden is stuck in my head.

    • TundraGrifter

      Ring, ring, ring, ring
      Banana Phone!

      And “Bably Beluga.” My other Raffi favorite.

  • Bill D. Burger
    • Serai 1

      I love how she says “some woman” as if she weren’t one herself.

  • Bill D. Burger
    • TundraGrifter

      “PRE-BOOKED SEAT?” Unless she’s flying Southwest with its festival seating, every fucking seat is “pre-booked.” If you don’t have one, you don’t get on the damn plane.

      • Jennifer R

        She bought two seats and got bitchy when the airline exercised their right to fill the plane.

        • TundraGrifter

          I read the two seats thing here but nowhere else. The reports I read state she wanted an “extra leg room” seat – Delta moved her from the aisle (which I generally prefer) to the window with the same amount of leg room.

          I don’t see how the airline can “fill the plane” if she bought an extra ticket. Why would they? A sale is a sale. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to refund her ticket just to sell another one.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            if she did indeed buy two seats, which is what i heard…i also heard somewhere that if a boarding pass isn’t scanned, they assume the person has failed to show and give the seat to a standby passenger…meaning they actually made twice or more the money.

          • Courser_Resistance

            She probably bought the extra seat so that no one would be seated next to her. Bitch got what she deserved.

        • Kakariki

          Where is this two seats claim coming from? I read it here last night, but everything I have seen elsewhere, including her tweets, says she was moved from her extra-room seat. The photo she took of the woman that got her seat shows the woman on the aisle with two men in the other two seats in the row. Don’t think it was a matter of losing an empty extra seat she paid for; she just got moved from her aisle seat to a window seat in another row. And that justifies her trauma in her mind. That might be annoying (I always pre-select certain aisle seats when I fly and would not prefer to be moved to a window seat myself) but it isn’t the major deal she is making it out to be. Airlines TOS give them the right to make seat changes as they want and you just have to be a grown up and deal with it.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            now that you mention it, i saw a headline today saying it was a seat switching thing.

            I don’t really care enough to find out – let’s just keep making fun of her!

      • Shibusa

        Seems like Ann coulda just taken her broom.

    • OrG

      I don’t even care what happened. If coltergeist is inconvenienced that’s a good thing.

  • Bill D. Burger
    • Kiri the Unicorn
    • TundraGrifter

      And then she posted a photo of the woman given “her” seat by Delta. Like it was that young lady’s fault. What an invasion of privacy!

      • Debbie the Unpaid Protester

        Yeah, that was mean–she’s mad at Delta, but takes it out on an innocent fellow passenger. Which reaffirms my opinion that AC has not an ounce of empathy in her being.

        • Serai 1

          Bullies are like that.

  • Bill D. Burger

    https://twitter.com/HelenKennedy/status/886462841301159936

    Really, I would prefer she fly ‘quarantine’ status. Humans should NOT be exposed to Ann Coulter.

    • Komsumverweigerer Ron

      You can fit quite a large animal carrier in cargo these days.

  • SeeTrain65

    BTW: When I was in high school, “It’ll make you feel good” was the phrase that made me and my friends chuckle and giggle when we were puffing and passing around our joints to each other in the church parking lot across from the school during lunch break.

  • Pingu

    Hello

    • TJ Barke

      Sup, spags?

      • Yr. Gma

        Look, he’s turned into a cute little penguin.

        • Jennifer R

          Heh.
          There is a series of fantasy strategy RPGs where the souls of the damned sent to hell are born as penguin looking creatures and forced to be servants for angels and demons. They also explode if you throw them.

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            Exploding penguins would be a good band name.

          • therblig

            i saw them on the telly

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            BURMA!

          • Bobathonic

            Intercourse the penguin!

          • Disgaea. That series has handed my ass to me more than once.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            sounds fun actually.

          • Jennifer R

            It’s a fun series. One of those games where it can suck time out of your life if you let it though. You can modify and relevel your characters.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            i looked it up. Can’t afford, but i’m not so sure about the manga style art.

            For some reason, that shit is just distracting for me.

          • Jennifer R

            It’s the game where one of the story arcs is there is a necromancer causing problems and when you finally have to fight him you see he is like 9 years old. When he is bragging about his master creation that you are about to fight, he lists off where he got all the parts from and the last one is “And the wiener of a HORSE”.

            Due to item quality and level being randomized the boss not only drops an accessory called Horse Wiener, it can be rare or even legendary quality.

            I got a screenshot with the words legendary horse wiener clearly on my screen back on the PS2 version.

          • Jennifer R

            I am still mad that only the original Disgaea really has the prinnys using a heartfelt emotive DOOD. All the other games it just gets read like any other word on the script.

        • H0mer0

          “Where do you suppose he came from?”
          “Next Door”
          ….

          • Komsumverweigerer Ron

            Penguins don’t come from next door, they come from the Antarctic!

      • Pingu

        I don’t know

      • How do you pinpoint him so quickly?

        • TJ Barke

          Obvious spags is obvious.

          • Jennifer R

            Has he started therapy and or drugs yet and is willing to be a constructive member of our community?

    • Serai 1
  • Mary Beth Hilburn

    Notice that all of P for a Drug Free America talk about illegal drugs. They are sponsored by drug companies, etc.

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      and?

      • Mary Beth Hilburn

        And so the drug companies do not say anything about potentially lethal use of “legal” drugs. They want the focus on “bad” drugs that kill not “good” drugs that kill.

        • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

          ” potentially lethal use of “legal” drugs. ‘

          Uh, it’s on the packaging and the paperwork you get from the pharmacy.

    • Courser_Resistance

      I tend to think that’s really the only huge hurdle to country-wide legalization. Weed treats a whole giant pile of things extremely well. Drug companies would lose out, big-time. If Big Pharma can’t put it in a pill and sell it for an obscene profit, they want it stamped out!

      • Three Finger Salute

        Which is what causes me to worry about Justin. If Canada really does go through with national legalization, what’s stopping Sessions from calling in the covfeferate army to go all Noriega on our boy in Ottawa…

        • Komsumverweigerer Ron

          Fear that as soon as the troops cross into Canada they’ll desert and demand citizenship?

  • TundraGrifter

    Without drugs, would any American school children know the metric system? Ask any schoolboy in the land – 28 grams to the oz. And a key is 2.2 #’s.

    • FukuiSanYesOta

      Fukui in Christiania Freetown, Denmark. Pushers’ row.

      Fukui: Can I get an eighth?
      Hansel the drug salesperson: We sell in the metric system. How many grams.
      Fukui: Um, two?
      HTDS: OK.

      Fukui proceeds to smoke two grams of extremely high quality weed with his friend and miss his plane back to England, but still finds it extremely funny.

      • Courser_Resistance

        You know, I tend to think of myself as a ‘heavy’ smoker, but learning I’m a piker! And eighth (~2 gms) lasts me a WEEK! My budtender also told me he smokes and 1/8/day, though I know he has medical issues.

        • FukuiSanYesOta

          An eighth would actually be 3.5g. If I’d actually got an eighth I’d probably still be in Copenhagen 18 years later.

          • Courser_Resistance

            Shows you what I know. I didn’t even bother to look at the label!

          • starfanglednut

            I think that’s probably how a friend of mine ended up living in Christiana for 30 years.

            Cool dude. I think he moved there shortly after it was founded.

    • Three Finger Salute

      I still don’t get the metric system. Probably because I never learned it in school, have never visited Europe or Canada, and never got involved with drugs. The only kilo I know of is kilobytes. And I still don’t get the difference between MB and MiB or what the hell a mebibyte is.

      • therblig

        a mebibyte is a measurement of a dog’s propensity to use its jaws offensively.

      • TundraGrifter

        I got mad at my sister. Mebibyte her.

        • Bobathonic

          A mebi bit my sister once.

      • FukuiSanYesOta

        MB and MiB is easy.

        Mega is metric for 1000. A megabyte is actually 1024 “kilobytes”, so in strict terminology would be 1,000,000 bytes. It’s actually 1024×1024 bytes = 1,048,576 bytes. Nerds got angry at the terminology being incorrect and made up some new words for accuracy.

        • Three Finger Salute

          So they both mean the same thing, just “mebi-” is an invented prefix reflecting the actual number, rather than the “mega-” metric approximation. But everyone uses mega-. Got it.

          • FukuiSanYesOta

            You got it exactly.

            Everyone still says Megabytes and Kilobytes, but it annoys some particularly pedantic nerds. So I’d recommend not using their terms.

        • RepubAnon

          Isn’t MiB the Men in Black?

      • Jennifer R

        And don’t for get that MB and Mb are different things!

      • Komsumverweigerer Ron

        It’s dead easy to convert. Just double it and add thirty. So 10°C is… 50°F. 50 km/h is… 130 mph. And 24 metric beers (a ‘case’) is… 78 American beers.

    • RepubAnon

      That was a Richard Prior comedy routine…

      • TundraGrifter

        I did not know that – and I know Pryor fairly well. But he’s passed so I’m not going to accuse him of stealing it from me.

  • FukuiSanYesOta

    Having medical heroin (hydromorphone, to be precise) delivered IV certainly helps with pain relief. Also, it feels fucking great.

    Doesn’t make me want to do it recreationally.

    • Courser_Resistance

      Same here. I had the morphine button after both of my hip surgeries. It was dandy for about the first 8 or 10 hours (overnight), then I was done. It makes me too nauseous to even watch TV.

      • TundraGrifter

        Did you get the itch or just the twitch?

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        the morphine they gave me for my broken collar bone was kinda nice (especially after they denied my meds on the ambulance ride b/c of a possible head injury).

        however, it did make my stomach feel like the floor was dropping away (like when an airplane suddenly descends a few feet..)

        • FukuiSanYesOta

          It doesn’t do any of that for me, I guess I’m “lucky”. I don’t get constipated or have stomach trouble or anything, I just feel even moar awesome than usual.

          That scares me, which is why I won’t touch it outside a medical environment.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            i’ve only had it the one time, so I can’t really compare.
            they also gave me an anti-nausea med, cause as noted, that shit can make people queasy. I didn’t even complain – i guess it’s fairly standard to adminster the heavy shit with a side of anti-nausea meds.

          • FukuiSanYesOta

            When I went in to ER recently for my exploded L4/L5 disk they gave me valium and a big oxycodone dose. That didn’t help with the pain, so I got IV hydromorphone. That fixed the immediate pain.

            Then I tried standing up and the pain was back. So they gave me more oxycodone and kicked me out.

            ER in this country sucks. I had to get a fucking uber home, hyperventilating with pain the whole way.

            IV hydromorphone is the shit though.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            gah! yeah, it can.

            My broken collarbone trip was utterly pleasant, aside from being grossly expensive.
            Although they sent me home with a script for a few vicodin and a sling (i took the little booty socks too)

            I’ve said before, a few years ago, I was suffering from blinding, hours long, excruciating headaches.

            Finally dragged my poor ass off to the ER on a saturday night. They gave something mild for the pain, which helped, and scanned my head. They told me it was stress and sent me home with no scripts. Then charged me like $6,000 for the privelige.

            It turn out that the muscles in my shoulder were tightening up, causing the ones in my neck to do so, causing my head to throb and make me think i was having a damn aneurysm.

          • Bobathonic

            It cures what ails ya!

            Only the first time did I get a thrill from it. Every time since, it got rid of the pain and nothing more. That’s lucky.

          • Jennifer R

            It’s what I got when I got forced into the ER for a blocked kidney.

    • jesterpunk

      When I was in the hospital for my first diverticulitis surgery they told me I couldn’t leave until I stopped using morphine. I stopped that night and had them remove the bag. It didnt help me get out sooner, I was still in for 4 more days because of an infection but even though it helped me not be in pain all the time it wasn’t worth it keeping me there longer then I had to be there.

    • Ω cynmac will never surrender

      Dilaudid (Dihydromorphinon) when I had a female trouble procedure. Allowed a hit every hour. It was worse pain than childbirth even with drugs. I went home the next day with 4 days worth of Vicodin, but the kind with Tylenol that made me nauseous.

    • Komsumverweigerer Ron

      I had it once during a hospital stay around 15 years ago. I found that it didn’t cut the pain, I just didn’t CARE that it hurt.

  • Msgr_MΩment
  • Baconzgood

    This is baconz on drugs, any questions? Besides if you want moar Baconz on drugs…of course you do https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/18877d45df52798402b5adb289f70de41154d1738b8a4686abb0485a5c942d67.gif

  • TundraGrifter

    We can advertise alcohol and TV but weed is bad?

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      We can have race cars and sportsball stadiums and major events sponsored by beer, even though imbibing in the product while doing those things would be bad

      • Three Finger Salute

        This was proposed back in 2014, but was such a stupid idea that even the NRA shot it down.

        NRA against Texas bill that would legalize selling alcohol at gun shows

        When even the NRA has to ask the Texas legislature if they’re drunk, guess what: the Texas legislature is probably drunk. Or just that stupid.

        • Serai 1

          Sad thing is, when I was a kid, there would’ve been no “even”. Back when the NRA was a sane organization.

    • RepubAnon

      Didn’t the one guy claim that beer drinking led to heroin? Shouldn’t we ban beer sponsorship of events?

      • Jennifer R

        Stodgy fun hating protestants always like a good slippery slope argument.

        • tomamitai

          And yet they’re against nude Jello wrestling.

  • Jesse

    Trey Radel, who resigned from Congress after getting busted for cocaine:

    https://twitter.com/treyradel/status/884861316715950080

  • ZangoCrudmonger

    This is what I have to say: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npv-g431Qis

  • Carpe Vagenda
    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos
    • shivaskeeper

      Ah, yes. The you can only have PTSD or the symptoms of PTSD if you are a combat vet bullshit. Morans.

      • Serai 1

        There’s a reason it’s not called Post MILITARY Stress Disorder, for gods’ sakes.

        • shivaskeeper

          IK. R? Especially since even 15 years ago the military didn’t even really recognize it as a thing that anyone could have or would have impact on anyone’s life.

        • CripesAmighty

          I thought it was PJST–Post Jarhead Stress Disorder.
          (Ducks…)

    • FukuiSanYesOta

      That is a burn par excellence

    • Kakariki

      “You got on a tank top” will now be my go to dismissal for idiots.

      • SeeTrain65

        We have our next AOTK!

        • Dellajmoore

          Google is paying 97$ per hour! Work for few hours and have longer with friends & family! !pj153d:
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    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Oh, clap back level fierce.

    • Serai 1
    • Serai 1
    • George Kaplan

      Feel.

      The.

      BURN!!!

  • Poly_Ester

    Jeff, click your heels together and say “I believe!”

  • gene108

    I wish I’d done more drugs, when I was young and healthy.

    And thankfully, I am old enough to have never had to deal with DARE.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    I declare Open Thread! Actually, aren’t all weekend posts anyway? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f2a4bd50afbfba1390aa0af77073fbd780e60efd5c94fb5c01eb8207708f7cef.jpg

    Gunpowder Falls river (upper Chesapeake Bay)

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      what is that funny green stuff on the ground?

      Never mind that, what’s that funny blue stuff?

      #DesertJokes

      • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

        And the flat- I can’t get used to that when I visit the East Coast. I will miss the 9000 foot mountains rising dramatically out of the valley floor ( the bad news- they were made by the San Andreas Fault, which is about 15 miles away).

        • Courser_Resistance

          When I go to CA I get freaked out because the mountains are in entirely the wrong direction.

          • mancityRed6

            I thought they were clouds when I first saw them.
            but then, this is the skyline style I grew up with:
            https://ap.rdcpix.com/1566109456/3084294cc6d3a1c9396808f44d839718l-m7xd-w1020_h770_q80.jpg
            https://ap.rdcpix.com/590815821/3084294cc6d3a1c9396808f44d839718l-m8xd-w1020_h770_q80.jpg
            this is the view from the balcony of a $2.15 million dollar apartment in Lawrence, KS.
            yes, I said that right.
            http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1200-Oread-Ave-102R_Lawrence_KS_66044_M78702-42028#photo8
            honestly, it is on a hill, but it’s hard to tell from the pictures.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            it’s a tired trope, but kansas really is fucking flat. Those last hundred miles to wichita were a bitch.

          • mancityRed6

            the miles from Salina to near Denver are all the same. I literally saw a grain tower and counted the miles until we got to it. 10. 10 miles

          • bupkus231

            That’s pretty close to the max ( I think the max is 12 miles ), due to curvature of the Earth.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            i was thinking that too – but couldn’t remember if that was right.

          • bupkus231

            Oh, jeez – I just looked it up, and not only is it wrong, but it’s much more complicated than I gave thought to.

            Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon

            Lotsa maths – and even atmospheric refraction. It’s almost enough to make me want to believe in a flat Earth….

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            ” It’s almost enough to make me want to believe in a flat Earth….”

            If only to make the math easier, i agree!

          • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

            Actually, that’s what Southern California used to look like most of the year before they tightened the air quality laws. Which is why I hate this environmental deregulation bullshit.
            Any long time resident can tell you how much the air qualitys improved, though it’s still some of the worst in the US.

          • mancityRed6

            I just wasn’t used to things on the horizon other than the horizon. plus, it’s all desert there in southern Cali.

          • Courser_Resistance

            I find it hard to believe anyone would pay that much to live in Lawrence, KS.

          • mancityRed6

            as do I
            there are new apartments downtown that are closer to the 1/2-1 million range. yeah, I don’t see them moving anytime soon.
            it’s bad enough the normal houses are 150-200k

          • Komsumverweigerer Ron

            On my first car trip West that freaked me out. Crossing the high plains early morning, faint fuzz on the western horizon but clear sky overhead. ‘Looks like weather up ahead,’ I say. Little did I know…

          • mancityRed6

            the first time driving back from Texas. I had a few beers and we decided to leave that night. no sleep and I drove all the way to Joplin from San Marcos. about 11 hours.
            to be that young again.

          • Komsumverweigerer Ron

            Yup. That was the trip where we drove straight through from Toronto to LA, 54 hours, and I did all but 2 hours of it myself.
            Though what I mostly remember is that gas was less than a buck…

          • mancityRed6

            I left Joplin at 9AM, spent an hour at my parents house, and got to Michigan (Ray Township) by 6 the next morning. in a truck so weighted down I had to adjust my headlights.
            I would have been there quicker, but the interstate was closed for road work on the weekends.

          • Komsumverweigerer Ron

            Ack… must have been a positive JOY steering the thing.

    • Courser_Resistance

      Gorgeous! A friend & a went camping on Assateague Island years ago. I’d never really spent any time on a beach before. The nights were glorious and going to sleep to the sound of the ocean was incredible.

  • hudson srinivasan
    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      i remember the article about that kid! So cute. (If you don’t know, his/her parents were making signs before the march and he/she started drawing – the mom said, “well, we figured she had something to say!” and brought the sign with them.)

      • hudson srinivasan

        and it is such a strong cogent rebuttal against all the infantile crap that is being done by all these president’s men.

      • starfanglednut

        There’s an article? Cool! I just saw the picture making the rounds.

        • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

          yeah, but there’s no way i could remember enough information to even give you terms to google. (i gave you the salient points).

  • wanders in…Open thread?

    Gotta be very, very careful of what you wish for

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0edf65ea48da9ab82e55473c7aae1aa65d7e3239295befdbd1ae50cf3036c5fa.jpg

  • CATMAN

    I have chronic pain from spinal stenosis and taking opioids makes me slow, draggy and stupid but thanks to legal cannabis here in Oregon I have an alternative that makes me feel calm, connected and aware of the world around me while mitigating the pain. I still need the opioids to sleep but I have cut my usage way back but the Federal government has declared this to be “highly dangerous” and will cut off access to the opioids if I fail my pee test
    I went to college in the late sixties and me and my cohort did thousands of hours of testing that disproved the government’s hyperbole about this “dangerous drug” as we all graduated and went on to successful careers and now Jeffy wants to turn back the clock

    • OutOfOrbit

      “…the Federal government…”? Donut you mean “The FREEDOM government”?

      • CATMAN

        I have a test to see if a Libertarian really is committed to “liberty”
        -decriminalization of recreational drugs
        -free access to abortion
        -gay marriage
        -elimination of tax preferences for religious entities
        Il” bet 9 out of 10 fail

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      i heard about these new federal policy – it’s a bunch of fuckin’ bullshit man. “we’re tapering down your opioids, but if you use the devil’s weed, we’ll cut you off completely.”

      As I said way down – that’s gonna drive people with REAL chronic pain issues to 1) alcohol, 2) impure street drugs, and/or 3) fucking suicide.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      The pain management physician I used to have would refuse to treat anyone who used medical cannibis, nor would he prescribe it. I’ll have to ask my new one what he thinks.
      My biggest concern is that it’s imperative that I continue losing weight because of my disc disease, (30 lbs so far woohoo!) and I when I tried it recreationally many years ago, the munchies were a big problem.

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        yay on the weight loss! (boo on the pain)

      • Blackest Noobs

        don’t smoke it…make an edible…specifically a butter. you would only need to use a small amount of the butter to get relief….going san-carbs…put a small dab on the chicken or steak or whatever…it’ll do you.

        and it’s crazy easy to make and if you have access to it…like not have a hassle getting the weed…making the butter from fresh and not already vaped weed is like crazy potent…even with chintzy weed.

      • Serai 1

        That’s way less of a problem now. Strains are much more precisely bred for the specific effects needed. These days, I’ve found the munchies pretty much restrained to the Cookie strains. Those are derived from a variety called Girl Scout Cookies, so whenever I see a name with Cookies in it, I know it’ll give me the munchies and I avoid it. Other than that, I don’t get them much anymore.

    • Blackest Noobs

      side-tangent: man. sometimes i wished i made that left in Albuquerque…still kicking self for not moving to Oregon…so was gonna do it…and then had a detour to Iraq.

      probably could still now….but so much more a pain in ass to do now than back in my teen/20’s years.

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        I know it was a joke, but NM is a medical cannabis state now.

        • Blackest Noobs

          more of a riff off a Bugs Bunny joke…i’m an east coaster…like the Godfather..i keep trying to leave but east coast keeps pulling me back in.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            yeah, i should have said bugs bunny, i remember the cartoons.

  • Jonny On Maui

    We love our pointless wars almost as much as we love our Puritan heritage. Let’s not use logic or common sense, let’s continue to use the boogiemen we have in the past. After all, it isn’t the body count that’s important, it’s funding your superstition that’s important.

    Speaking as a veteran of the drug war, it’s time for this war to end. It’s long past time to silence the warmongers.

    • hudson srinivasan

      no puritanism or nothing. i suspect there is money to be made in this. private prisons, arms etc etc. it’s not about solution at all. there is no money in solved problems, festering wounds on the other hand can be monetized.

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        there’s a nice mix of all of it.

      • tomamitai

        Plus selective enforcement lets you imprison Black and Latino folk at much higher rates than Whites, who use the same drugs at the same or higher rates, and then take away their right to vote without violating the 15th amendment.

        • starfanglednut

          Ding ding ding! They’re all about getting in to, and staying in, power. Power and money. Nothing else matters.

    • Three Finger Salute

      I heard that one of the factors of the Salem Witch Trials was some moldy bread that, when it went bad, released some sort of fungus or bacteria or something that produced a naturally-occurring form of LSD. So if anything, one of the lessons of that whole debacle is that we need government inspection of food safety.

      • Gary Charound

        It’s called ergot, and the theory that it caused the events at Salem is highly disputed.

    • Serai 1

      In the case of Sessions, it’s making as much money as possible on the ancillary industries like prisons and pharmaceuticals.

  • gene108

    Also, Sessions, Trump, and their voters really are stuck in a time warp and don’t seem to have come out of the 1970’s.

    Crime is out of control. Kids are doing too much sex and drugs. In the good old* days, we had order or something, something that made things better.

    Just wish they’d break out the polyester leisure suits, gold chains and whatever else they wish never went out of fashion.

    * I am going with tricycles and Red Rider BB guns, because even old farts like Trump and Sessions were just kids in the 1950’s and they miss their toys.**

    ** Given how abnormal Trump is as a human being, I am not sure he ever had toys.

    • jesterpunk

      “Crime is out of control and the worst ever so we need harsher drug laws”

      “Crime is at the lowest level ever so we dont need any gun control laws.”

      GOP

    • starfanglednut

      Yeah, and now he has no pets. All that space, and not a dog, cat, bird, lizard, or even fish to be seen. Poor Barron is not having much of a childhood,

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      terrible news.

    • TJ Barke

      Awww. Bummer.

    • tomamitai
      • Baconzgood

        My aunt is buried there.

    • Baconzgood

      As a Pittsburgher I can honestly say I’m sad at this. I hope he’s the first zombie in the zombie apocalypse.

      • therblig

        Sad news.

        i worked at the JC Penney in the Monroeville Mall when they were filming “Dawn of the Dead”. They filmed at night after the mall was closed, so we never saw them. And yes, I slid down between the escalators.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-emmrmUksE

    • mancityRed6

      He put Simon Pegg and Nick Frost in Land of the dead because of Shaun of the Dead.
      anyone up for a good night time ritual?

    • Jenny

      I am very sad at this. My parents never really cared what I watched, and usually sat young me down in front of the TV to Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm St., and Halloween.

      Night of the Living Dead scared the shit out of me. As in complete hysterical, hiding under my bed terror. I still can’t watch a zombie movie. Now that is a scary movie!

  • bookish

    http://nbcnews.to/2tXoQXw

    The recent request from President Donald Trump’s vote fraud commission for a mountain of sensitive data from the states sparked a backlash and baffled many officials — not only because of concerns about privacy and security but because an organization already exists doing much of the same work.

    “There’s no reason to re-invent the wheel when we’re already here…and we do it very well,” said Shane Hamlin, executive director of the Election Information Registration System, also known as ERIC.

    ERIC is a non-profit group currently made up of 20 states — both red and blue — and the District of Columbia that shares large amounts of sensitive voter data to root out possible fraud, ensure more accurate voter rolls and encourage registration.

    • OrG

      I think tRump has different goals.

    • tomamitai

      But it’s having the desired effect:

      Nearly 3,500 Colorado voters cancel registration over Trump voter fraud probe
      By John Bowden – 07/14/17 05:13 PM EDT

      Nearly 3,500 voters in Colorado as of Friday have canceled their voter registrations over the state’s decision to turn over public information to President Trump’s voter fraud commission.

      • mancityRed6

        yes, because they didn’t see that they wanted info on how they voted for the last ten years…jeebus, people are stupid

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        the florida sec. of state reported people calling and asking about doing the same thing.

      • Jerry Noneofyourbizz

        Uh uh, no way. Those 3,500 who canceled their registrations are all illeagles who don’t want to get caught. Every last one of them. This lady patriot knows what I’m talking about… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c8a419d69f83e9bee7b04c3e154f528c7f83d2a5b000320faa74bc103e4ae523.jpg

        • mancityRed6

          “go” home

          • suziq

            I guess “go” is sarcasm?

          • mancityRed6

            go ahead, ask her what “sarcasm” means.
            I’ll wait.

        • suziq

          Wow, that is some interesting #alternativespelling

          • Jerry Noneofyourbizz

            It’s one of my faves!

        • therblig

          i guess the brain eating amoebas had to settle for a snack.

        • redarmyzombie

          Ileagels are tasty, but I heard they’re worse for you than donuts…

  • Swampay

    You know there’s a musical now, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X82zLM0oUY

    • mancityRed6

      awww, a musical? I gotta be high to watch one of those.

      • Bobathonic

        It’s astounding.

    • LucindathePook

      Seen it. It’s fun.

  • bookish

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/16/politics/susan-collins-health-care/index.html

    (CNN)The Congressional Budget Office is not expected to release its analysis of the revised Republican health care bill Monday, a Senate GOP aide tells CNN.

    The CBO was widely expected to release the report Monday, and it is now unclear when that assessment will come out.

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      How hard is it to say, “the American public is fucked! “

      • covfefesumgame0005

        they try to be more polite, so it is much harder. personally I say FUCK that noise, bring on the RUDE! but then again I am not paid to be polite :)

    • starfanglednut

      Fuck.

  • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

    Does anyone remember where I parked.

    • jesterpunk

      Next to the red car?

      • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

        Ha. Let’s start with a city….

        • FukuiSanYesOta

          Berlin?

          • starfanglednut

            Sounds good. But first we’ll take Manhattan.

        • Doug Langley

          San Jose?

        • Constantinople?

          • Komsumverweigerer Ron

            No, she was waiting in Istanbul.

        • redarmyzombie

          Genghis Khan?

          Oh wait, sorry, wrong meme again…

        • jesterpunk

          In Austin, Texas near the taco trucks?

  • Baconzgood

    Dicks
    Are
    Really
    Erect

    • SeeTrain65

      (Hey, no peeking.)

  • Bobathonic
  • bluicebank

    I recall in the 1980s as a city reporter some concerned administrator asked sincerely: “Bill, how do we get kids to stop using drugs?”

    Her doe-eyed naivete did not deter me. I said: “Your first step is to stop lying to them.”

    Back when, the authorities told us kids about how Mary Jane was the devil in a green dress. Just like when I found out that the Tooth Fairy was a lie, Santa Claus fell in a single day, and us kids knew we couldn’t trust our parents on the matter of mythical creatures or drugs.

  • bookish

    http://www.businessinsider.com/secret-service-rejects-suggestion-it-vetted-trump-sons-meeting-2017-7

    “Well, I wonder why the Secret Service, if this [Trump Jr. meeting with Russians] was nefarious, why the Secret Service allowed these people in. The president had Secret Service protection at that point, and that raised a question with me,” Jay Sekulow, a member of the president’s legal team, said on Sunday on the ABC news program “This Week.”

    In an emailed response to questions about Sekulow’s comments, Secret Service spokesman Mason Brayman said the younger Trump was not under Secret Service protection at the time of the meeting, which included Trump’s son and two senior campaign officials.

    “Donald Trump, Jr. was not a protectee of the USSS in June, 2016. Thus we would not have screened anyone he was meeting with at that time,” the statement said.

    • ⭐️Most Accurate Poster 2017⭐️

      man it must be so hard to lie when you’re stupid

      • OrG

        Lying is easy. Lying convincingly not so much.

        • ⭐️Most Accurate Poster 2017⭐️

          a fair point.

        • tomamitai

          Lying when there’s no one to hold you accountable is very easy.

    • FukuiSanYesOta
    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      And since when are they supposed to know election law anyway?

      • FukuiSanYesOta

        and if the USSS could Narc on Presidents, both Nixon and Reagan would have died behind bars.

      • SeeTrain65

        Who do you mean? The Secret Service or Sekulow?

        • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

          The Service. Sekulow I would not expect to know any thing beyond asking for cash up front.

          • Ω cynmac will never surrender

            I watched the Sunday gasbag shows and Sekulow was very clear that he was not TRMP’s lawyer during the campaign. And that he only became his attorney recently.

          • SeeTrain65

            Should put it in quotes to let you know it was a joke.

            Damn, I’m off today.

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      not only that, babysitting full grown adults and advising them on who to meet with is not their job. Wouldn’t his argument be the textbook definition of a nanny state?

      Could you imagine the outrage on Lil Donnie drama’s twitter feed if they had done this.

      Just stupid all the way around.

    • bupkus231

      I hope that all the media notes this loudly and holds Sekulow accountable for his blatant attempt at misdirection.

      Point and laugh, people – point and laugh.

    • Alt-dog

      Well, this does explain why daddy couldn’t attend. You know he wanted to attend.

  • Jennifer R

    Commentary about the War on Drugs.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKEYGO3P6Y8

  • FukuiSanYesOta

    105 in the shade outside. Guess I’m staying inside with A/C and wonkete today.

    • Jennifer R

      Same. I have enough water, hashbrowns, and weed to stay inside.

      • FukuiSanYesOta

        You have hashbrowns? You are no longer my friend.

        I joke, I’m just JEALOUS AS FUCK.

        • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

          I’m outside, it’s hazy, it’s hot and we’re getting our asses kicked 10-2. I shoulda stayed in bed.

          • FukuiSanYesOta

            I’m watching the Giants lose 7-1 against the motherfucking Padres. Not a good year to be a Giants fan.

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            Funny, because we’re losing to El Paso – the Padres AAA team.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            come on – you gotta phrase it right – you’re losing to “the Chihuahuas”!

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos
          • All of you have had more fun than me. I started hauling boxes to my new place today. I can currently not feel my legs

          • FukuiSanYesOta

            Just double check that you actually have pants on.

          • I do. I’ve been outisde and i needed somewhere to keep my phones and keys

          • Doug Langley

            Paid bills, went grocery shopping, and freaking out over not being able to pay rent in two weeks. So, marginally.

          • Komsumverweigerer Ron

            <bites back the overpowering urge to make a salacious joke here>

          • SeeTrain65

            Things are better to the east, I guess. The A’s lead Cleveland 5-2 in the eighth.

            (… after winning a walk-off last night because Terry Francona has a blind spot for Bryan Fucking Shaw. That, or Shaw has something on Tito which guarantees his roster spot.)

        • Jennifer R

          Just frozen patties but yummy anyway.

      • starfanglednut

        Too for DARE to come to your house, I guess.

  • jaspersdad

    “You mean that cat’s high?”

    https://youtu.be/svoSSdsNhtA

    • TundraGrifter

      Kicking the Gong Around.

    • tomamitai
    • Serai 1

      OMG, that thumbnail pic made me think at first he’d done this song on the Muppet Show!!

  • II Gosala

    Apologies if this has been posted before.

    Trump’s six-month approval rating plummets to a record low
    http://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-six-month-approval-rating-plummets-to-a-record-low-2017-7

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Nobody minds seeing it again.

  • TundraGrifter

    From last week’s inspection assignment: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5aef38c2eafac2d3e66e3d0c8fa0ad4b892ede8c6a0b6aec0f99918fbc6cfcd1.jpg

    Yes, I did get paid. Why do you ask?

    • VirginiaWackelpudding

      Beautiful, but sad now that I see it’s your shadow and not the photo bombing gopher.

      • TundraGrifter

        It was fairly early in the AM and the sun was behind me. I do have one that isn’t so fuzzy but I’m always experimenting with the “art” settings on the camera. Fifty or sixty photos of buildings with no people gets boring…

    • That’s some funny lookin’ tundra.

      • TundraGrifter

        Some days life is a beach. Mornings, anyway.

        • Komsumverweigerer Ron

          Life’s a beach and then you dry.
          h/t Spider Robinson

    • SeeTrain65

      I’ll show you the nearest “beach” to my place someday. Dark brown sand and green water.

  • starfanglednut

    As a recovering addict, I can say that probably nothing would have stopped me by my teenage years. I was already in too much pain, and that along with a genetic predisposition sealed my fate.

    If we want to reduce addiction, we need a multifaceted approach on virtually all levels of our society.

    In my case, psychological screening at a very young age (preschool or earlier–to screen for attachment issues), coupled with intensive support for my parents might have helped. But the genetic predisposition could have trumped even that.

    • II Gosala

      Pfft. You made bad life decisions. It’s that simple. The success of DARE proves that…

      Oh… wait! Never mind.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Predisposition seems to trump everything. I’ve not met an alcoholic or drug addict who wasn’t clinically depressed, either. I think screening teenagers for depression would probably help.

      • Liquid Tomato

        Some people seem to be born alcoholics, addicted from the first drink. Mostly I hear people who started drinking as a coping mechanism.

      • starfangledn