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So Donald Trump Jr. got on the Tweeters today to celebrate a real landmark, and to castigate the hypocrisy of the fake news liberal fake media liberal cultural marxist fake media for not recognizing an AMAZING ACHIEVEMENT by a Republican woman, because double-standards and sexism:

Ah, nothing more appealing than a sore winner. As the party poopers at The Hill point out,

Handel is not breaking a glass ceiling in that Georgia has sent several women to Congress. But she is the first Republican from Georgia to be elected to Congress.

And the New York Times went into Full Fact-Check Mode:

Georgia first sent a woman, Rebecca Latimer Felton, to Congress in 1922. A political activist, writer, suffragist and the first female Senator, Mrs. Felton was appointed to fill a vacancy by a governor who supported the 19th Amendment. She served just a day, giving her the distinction of also having the shortest term of service.

According to her Senate biography, she concluded her only Senate speech with a nod to gender equality. “When the women of the country come in and sit with you,” she said, “you will get ability, you will get integrity of purpose, you will get exalted patriotism, and you will get unstinted usefulness.”

Now, if you’re talking about “Rep” as in the House of them, then the first would have been Florence Reville Gibbs, who won a special election to replace her husband after he died. The first Georgia woman elected to the House in her own right was Helen Douglas Mankin, in 1946. After that, there were three others, Iris Faircloth Blitch (for whom junior high could not have been fun) in 1955, Cynthia McKinney in 1993 (also Georgia’s first black woman representative) and Denise Majette in 2003.

Besides, we aren’t quite sure why Trump is acting so aggrieved — virtually every major newspaper and TV network story on Handel mentioned that she is indeed the first Republican woman elected to the House. It’s not exactly something they hid.

Yeah, we know, this is really about your resentment of Hillary, isn’t it?

So sure, Donnie, maybe for Republican women it was a glass ceiling, because Georgia Republicans couldn’t bring themselves to elect a woman until decades after it had become routine for Democrats. Heck, maybe Georgia Republicans should have waited a few more decades, to make the achievement all the more remarkable. We don’t know that anyone really needs to celebrate what a terrific job Georgia did of catching up a little.

What we’re saying is that when Republican women break glass ceilings, most won’t even mess up their bouffant hairdos, because the Democratic women were the ones who actually smashed the glass with their faces.

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  • Joe Beese

    You’re getting the shank, white boy!

    • FlownΩver

      VoteShank, of course.

  • janecita

    Most every member of this family be a disgusting, repulsive, fugly asshole? Fuck them all!!!

    • TJ Barke

      I would like to set them all on vote…

  • elviouslyqueer

    Purple monkey dishwasher says what now?

  • Proud Liberal

    The Trumps are a disease.

  • WomanInThePersistence

    So I forget, which one is this? Uday or Qusey?

  • BosGrl

    “What we’re saying is that when Republican
    women break glass ceilings, most won’t even mess up their bouffant
    hairdos, because the Democratic women were the ones who actually smashed
    the glass with their faces.”

    Damn I love that.

    • doktorzoom

      Credit where due: Stoled from Evan in the ChatCave as part of Wonkette’s Joke Socialism. From each according to their funny, to each according to their need.

      • TJ Barke

        Commedism?

        • WotsAllThisThen

          Democratic Socialaughs.

      • elviouslyqueer

        That is so meta.

      • SterWonk

        I’m sure actor212‘s joke was even better.

        (What ever happened to (him?) anyway?)

        • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

          I caught up to him about a year ago. He now prefers his cycling life and posts about that. Who knew?

        • calliecallie

          He’s riding bicycles. Not that I was stalking him or anything.

  • DainBramage

    If Donnie Jr. had to make it through life on his own merit, what would be his ceiling? Graveyard shift at the 7-11?

    • jesterpunk

      Unemployed and living in his parents basement complaining how unfair it is that womenz wont have sex with him.

    • Joe Beese

      I can see him as an asshole crew manager at Subway.

      • Bmaccnm

        Swing shift manager only. They couldn’t trust him to open or close.

    • TJ Barke

      Stockboy.

    • elviouslyqueer

      He’d be the real-life Milton from Office Space, forever in search of his precious red Swingline stapler.

    • whitroth

      Greeter at Wally-world

      • elviouslyqueer

        No no. Cart wrangler.

        Wait. No. Scooter wrangler.

      • Thorn Spike

        Walmart.

    • Mavenmaven
      • jesterpunk

        Jay and Silent Bob Libelz

        • MrTusks

          At least those two are successful independent businessmen who pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps.

      • DainBramage

        Donnie Jr. has neither the brains nor the balls to swear that much.

        • C4TWOMAN

          Or to be anywhere near as entertaining…

      • C4TWOMAN

        Mewes Libelz!

        At least he’s working hard to keep his life together….

    • Proud Liberal

      Drug dealer

    • Shanzgood 16 Days

      No. My son worked graveyard at a convenience store and got robbed at gunpoint t. He’s doing much better than Donnie Jr would be by now.

      • BosGrl

        Well he has you for a mother. That gives him about 10 legs up right there.

        • Shanzgood 16 Days

          Hm. He wasn’t raised by wolves.

          Mostly.

    • natoslug

      Peep-show spunk mopper or red light squeegee guy.

  • Ryan Denniston

    “Besides, we aren’t quite sure why Trump is
    acting so aggrieved — virtually every major newspaper and TV network
    story on Handel mentioned that she is indeed the first Republican woman
    elected to the House”

    Because it’s a conspiracy and everyone is out to get them. Those SorosBucks aren’t for nothing you know.

  • WomanInThePersistence

    I can’t see either of the adult male Trump spawn without this earworm.

    https://youtu.be/FN7r0Rr1Qyc

    • Shanzgood 16 Days

      Sorry, it’s bad enough that I know about tne existence of the various Trumpspawn. I don’t want whatever that is to take up any more space in what’s left of my brain.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        You are making a very good decision.

        • Shanzgood 16 Days

          It’s been a while. I was afraid I forgot how.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Nonsense. You are, and have been, holding things together in a stressful time. You are a valuable person both here, and also irl. Please don’t forget that.

            And I’ve been meaning to ask – what is the countdown? I’m sure you told folks, but I must have missed it.

          • Shanzgood 16 Days

            The countdown is for when baconz gets here so we can see each other again after my previous visit over there to be with him. 1000 miles is really sucky when you’re in lurve.

            And stop being so nice about the other things. Those onion ninjas are really incorrigible. .

          • WomanInThePersistence

            I’m not especially nice. I just call it like I see it. You’ve had a hella rough time, and you have managed to be strong and funny and just plain nice.

            And just a skosh over two weeks to go. That’s wonderful.

          • Shanzgood 16 Days

            Yeah, ok. We’ve been through some really difficult stuff so…I’m gonna say our sustained senses of humor and outright pig-headedness should be worth SOME sort of reward.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            I sincerely wish you both all the happiness. And humor plus pig-headedness are good.

          • Shanzgood 16 Days

            Our Irish sustains us. At least that’s what we keep telling our stupidass stubborn selves.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Barron’s OK. He’s just a kid who had no fault in coming into this dysfunctional family. But at least he’s The Expert.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          I think we’ve tried to be clear that it was the adult spawn we were talking about. If that wasn’t clear, I’m sorry.

    • Bozilingus

      Post this to Karen Handel’s Twitter/FB also, too.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        I would if I did either. Please do it!

        • Bozilingus

          She would not see it coming.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Certainly not from me. Because I would have to use semaphore. And there’s a fair distance between us.

          • Bozilingus

            I did post to her FB. Hope the deplorables cut me some slack.

          • WomanInThePersistence
  • Villago Delenda Est

    STFU, Donny Jr. You’re out of YOUR element!

    A chip off the old blockhead.

  • La forza del resistino

    Redemption is when Ms Handel is elected after being fired by those monsters at the Susan G Komen organization.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      Another victim of Big Mammogram.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        Damn those Pap Smears, anway.

    • Christopher Story

      Failing upward

      • WotsAllThisThen

        She’s proven herself hostile enough to women’s health to qualify as a Republican representative.

  • WotsAllThisThen

    Indeed, where are the glass ceiling stories on Breitbart? Donnie Jr should ask Bannon about that!

  • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

    But remember, he already established that democrats aren’t even people, so it stands to reason that Democratic female reps don’t count.

    • Shanzgood 16 Days

      The Democrat female reps, like all others, only count as people *place-holders* and only if they’re pregnant. They don’t have as many personhood rights as ACTUAL people, i.e., the fertilized eggs they MIGHT be carrying.

      Brb puking. NO NOT BECAUSE I AM PREGNANT.

  • Résistance Land Shark Ω
    • WomanInThePersistence

      Very much so.

    • Can we staple this to the foreheads of all Trumps?

      • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

        I’m siding with facial tattoos myself.

        • calliecallie

          At least shave their fucking heads, like the folks did back in the day to traitors and collaborators.

          (PS please read that in the voice of Colin Farrell. Thank you.)

      • William Cook for now

        With our Big Red Swingline polling stations, sure.

    • Eileen Besse

      …and thank you once again!

  • Resistance Fighter Astraea
    • BosGrl

      I need the Rachel Maddow one for my desk. I assume I can get jeans, a tank top and a black blazer? Or a brown hoodie?

    • OutOfOrbit

      I can not fit in anywhere there.

      • Christopher Story

        Same.

      • OutOfOrbit

        But I will walk with any or all of them, altho’ I think man-buns are weird.

        • Christopher Story

          That made me laugh. Liberals are so cool.

          • BosGrl

            Yes, we generally embrace the weird. :)

        • Shanzgood 16 Days

          So do I but..if I can walk with my “gay AF” daughter…

          • OutOfOrbit

            Does she have a man bun? (kidding)

          • Shanzgood 16 Days

            No. She has a Carol from TWD cut now! I was like “You know everyone is going to think you’re gay like Carol, right” and even though she knew I was joking she just looked at me: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/39aef611879ffb330b50f0383d340cf9af9dc90b540a60dcb99c056ae2399670.jpg

          • OutOfOrbit

            2 Q?s: What is AF, and is she okay with having her photo here?
            Also don’t know who/what Carol/TWD is.

          • calliecallie

            AF = As fuck. Mr. cc just asked me the same damn question, peeking over my shoulder at the wonkette secrets!

          • OutOfOrbit

            THX ! : )

          • Shanzgood 16 Days

            That’s a stock photo or one from a t-shirt seller’s website, and thanks for questioning my parenting decisions, stranger on the internet who doesn’t know me or my family.

            You can look the rest up yourself.

    • TheGrandWazoo2
      • weejee

        Where’d you get my photo?

    • TJ Barke

      Unrealistic standards of masculinity!

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        how’s the weight loss going TJ? I started going back to the gym…yesterday. And I went today. so, woo hoo?
        (If i can lose another 40 pounds, like i did in the last 1 1/2 years, I’lll be somewhat satisfied).

    • Christopher Story

      I need a Ken that comes as a cowboy vampire with a pack of Pall Malls and a bottle of cheap whiskey

    • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

      AOT,K! I’m going aaaallll out!

    • William Cook for now

      Cannot unsee Rachel Maddow Ken.

      Time to make the best of it and buy a tiny blazer for my soon to be RM statuette I guess.

    • HazooToo

      These new meme things are funny, but those are really nice dolls. I really like them.

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea
        • HazooToo

          Yeah, I had ONE Ken doll. Didn’t need any others. They were all exactly the same. And all kind of hideous.

          • therblig

            ms. blig has a brother a little younger than her, so her Barbies all married G.I. Joes.

          • Celtic_Gnome

            Ah, the joke I just saw yesterday (not being a Barbie afficionado):

            Barbie is sold with Ken, but she comes with G.I. Joe.

      • C4TWOMAN

        Especially Bun Boy.

    • georgiaburning

      Is this the full set? No piercings or ink? No white guy with bad chinbeard or manbun? Googler Ken not well represented. Maybe just as well.

      • BosGrl

        Man bun top right. Ink sold separately in the tattoo artist play set.

    • memzilla Ω
    • OneYieldRegular

      I thought that one on the lower left was Milo Ken.

  • WotsAllThisThen

    And now he says “REP” stands for “REPublican” – so she’s the first woman Republican Georgia sent to Congress.

    Glass ceiling!

    https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/877538607363497984

    • jesterpunk

      If that loser says something and no one else is around is he still a loser who is wrong?

      • vivian

        This is a fascinating question I had never pondered.
        Is stupidity consensual? Am I an enabler? Gaack!
        This is complicated!

        • Celtic_Gnome

          Let’s cut to the chase.

          Yes.

          • vivian

            OK, so if I speak to smart people I enable greater intelligence, but then stupid people are left to talk to one another which surely results in some kind of compounding effect. Oh right, that’s called the internet, hence DJT as preznit.

    • TJ Barke

      What a simpleton…

    • ariel_gee_398

      Nonsensical abbreviations – genetic or learned trait?

      • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

        Idt ow bg lwmt!

        Now don’t you feel stupid for not knowing what I just typed? Dontcha wish you could abbrev. like me?

        • ariel_gee_398

          Bigly.

    • BosGrl

      It’s like these people have a genetic need to be right.

    • cmd resistor

      I was wondering if he meant GOP or Representative. Given he’s an oaf and A Idiot, who would even know?
      Cynthia McKinney (Who was my rep for a while) and Denise Majette were black, which I am sure further complicates the matter for his poor small brain.

      • WotsAllThisThen

        I’m guessing he meant Representative and then changed his story when Twitter started laughing at him.

        • cmd resistor

          What a dolt.

  • HazooToo

    OT- So frustrated. My friend wants to plan an rp with a complicated relationship. I am feeling incredibly stupid and can’t think of a single thing to contribute. I tell her. She doesn’t want to do anything but plan this thing and keeps asking for my input. I just want to play one of the things we already have. Still wants to plan. This is such a ridiculous trifling petty little problem, but bitching here is making me feel a little bit better already, so I’m just going to say: When someone tells you they are feeling too dumb to concentrate on your topic, and it’s not a vital life-or-death problem, fucking SAVE IT FOR LATER!

    • Proud Liberal

      First, what’s an rp? I feel a little stupid.

      • Résistance Land Shark Ω

        Role play?

        • Proud Liberal

          Ahh. Got ya. I got nothin. Sorry.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        You beat me to it.

        • HazooToo

          Roleplay. Not the Naughty Student and Teacher kind. But sometimes there is smut.

          • C4TWOMAN

            I’ve got nothing. Unless you want to borrow some old campaign modules from 2nd Edition….

          • HazooToo

            Got a ton of them upstairs, this rp is modern though. She wants to give her character a really difficult social problem and I am fine with that, I just do not have the brains to understand what I’m reading at the moment.

          • therblig

            so, farmers fighting a dying corn crop? to each his own.

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        I was thinking “retirement party”, but I knew it couldn’t be right.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      It’s very frustrating when your rp partner isn’t on the same page.

    • Proud Liberal
      • TJ Barke

        Don’t think it’s that kind of role play…

      • HazooToo

        LOL thank you, but yeah, not that kind of rp. The nerdy kind.

        • BosGrl

          It sounds like fun.

          • HazooToo

            It really is! We have over 5 pages of rps going on a proboards forum, just between the two of us. From faeries to colonists on far flung new planets. She’s amazing and I love her. Just super brain-fried today.

    • clubseal

      Do one where you’re a team of knights who come together to slay an ogre but the ogre’s family sues you after you’re all acquitted in his death. Complicated and topical.

      • HazooToo

        The point is to get the hell AWAY from reality, not let it encroach on our beloved Safe Space.

        • clubseal

          How about her character is an all powerful knight or something who is slowly losing her strength/powers, and together with her sidekick, she has to find a way to hide the loss of those powers, lest the enemies of the kingdom find out and invade?

          • HazooToo

            Actually, we have one that is a LOT like that. Her Knight goes to investigate what the King believes is the source of a horrifying plague. My squire just manages to stop him from walking into certain death and reanimation, but didn’t stop him in time to prevent him catching the plague. Now they’re searching for the cure, while aware that her Knight may die and turn into a violent undead thing before we reach it.

  • JMP

    But she’s the first woman elected from Georgia who’s a giant misogynist fiercely opposed to equal rights for her fellow women, down to the part where she decided to ally a charity to fight breast cancer with the purely evil anti-woman forced birth movement!

    • Résistance Land Shark Ω

      Which basically destroyed a well respected charity’s reputation. And sunk its received donations. You go gurl!

      • C4TWOMAN

        Winning!

    • therblig

      they’re gonna need bigger t-shirts to fit all that.

  • William Cook for now

    I’ve been waiting for this article all day. Great closer, Dok.

  • memzilla Ω

    If it was a Rethuglican glass ceiling that got broken, I’m sure it was installed by a contractor that Drumpf stiffed on the bill.

  • TJ Barke

    Anybody know any good horror audiobooks? Preferably a semi obscure one.

  • Joe Beese
    • Proud Liberal

      Oh. My. Gosh. What an adorable kitten!

    • Does she have her own language?

      • Joe Beese

        No, my sister-in-law speaks English.

        • I meant the kitteh. Nell was a movie where Jodie Foster played a woman living alone on an east coast island who had her own language

    • hendenburg2

      OH MY GOD!!!! SO CUTE!!!!!!

      • Blackest Noobs

        too cute.

    • Résistance Land Shark Ω

      So young and cute! And already planning the take over and eventual destruction of the household!

      • Martini Ambassador 🍸

        That’s why her name is Hell. Yes, I really did read that at first.

    • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

      AWWWWWWWWW!

    • Snopes Shop

      Hello there,Nell

    • Martini Ambassador 🍸

      That is a very cute kitty!

    • Tiffany de Houston

      What a cutie! Calicos are my favorite kitties evah!

      • calliecallie

        Thank you.

    • cmd resistor

      What a great cat face.

    • hendenburg2

      Make sure she takes as many pictures as possible. Her kitten year is going to gone before she knows it!

      • therblig

        and then she’ll insist on “Eleanor of Aquitaine”

    • OneYieldRegular

      A cat’s on Wonkette that’s named Nell
      …and Whitey’s on the moon.

    • Parakeetist

      Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee (ploink!)

      The cute meter broke.

  • jesterpunk

    Turnip is having a rally tonight, he needs his safe space where his feeling wont get hurt.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-iowa-trump-ready-to-rally-base-celebrate-gop-resilience/2017/06/21/ccb6a604-56ab-11e7-840b-512026319da7_story.html

    WASHINGTON
    — Struggling to advance his agenda in Washington, President Donald
    Trump looked to the Midwest on Wednesday in search of his supporters’
    warm embrace and to celebrate a Republican congressional victory in an
    election viewed as an early referendum on his presidency.

  • Michael R
    • Proud Liberal

      He looks like he needs to take a shit.

    • Ricky Gay

      First Soap on a Rope and now Trump on a Stump. (would not buy)

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Careful, he’ll probably view that as a beheading photo.

    • not_vh

      pretend lumberjack, who prolly wouldn’t even qualify as an assistant on his own abilities.

    • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

      I’m a lumberjack and I’m okay!

      • WomanInThePersistence

        Do you sleep all night? And work all day?

        • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

          I cut down trees, I wear high heels, suspenders and a bra.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Too bad you’re not a girlie, just like your dear papa.

  • C4TWOMAN

    It’s like Condi Rice never existed…
    Doh! My bad. She’s a blah….

    • Antonin Dvorak

      And from Alabama.

      • Bananas Foster

        And she never held elected office.

  • Three Finger Salute

    OT: Apparently even the sacrosanct “really smart generals” have use for the liberal arts. Scumbag Steve Bannon, however, does not. He just wants to break shit.

    U.S. military establishment reportedly studying ancient Greece to avoid war with China — but Steve Bannon wants it

    • Joe Beese

      Culture is for pussies.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Hence why Hair Drumpfenfuhrer’s goose-stepping sycophants are threatening death against Shakespearean-trained actors. Maybe if they had a little more “culture,” they wouldn’t have voted for a pro wrestler and reality-TV game show host like Orange Julius in the first place. But no. Art and books are for f*gs who fling shit at the Virgin Mary, for Obama at Oprah’s book club, and for the “drama teacher” who runs a communist country up north. Hurr durr.

        NB: I’m one of the hated liberal arts graduates whom the current job market has relegated to practical irrelevance, and has therefore disqualified from the human race. I’m not a “winner” by the standards of Mr. Gold Toilet, who proudly proclaims that he doesn’t read and doesn’t need to read and that he loves the poorly educated. I once had designs on getting a graduate degree, as all my professors said they’d be shocked if I didn’t, but then figured, why bother? I’ll only be in hock for $100K with no practical skills to speak of, and end up serving up unicorn milkshakes for peanut wages anyway.

        Thinky stuff doesn’t pay the bills; safety nets and rent control (that might allow me to make end’s meet even if all I could get is a unicorn latte job) are “communism”; and by the time I finish my degree, every school in America will be a combination finishing school and evangelical madrasah anyway. At least now thanks to Betsy DeVil, who also loves the poorly educated because she can make big bucks keeping them that way. Only fools go to college for anything besides football.

        I seem to recall a poet who said something about “then they came for the intellectuals” or something to that effect. No offense to tradesfolk, but I wish I was better at plumbing, because at least I could get a job fixing gold toilets when they overflow with shit.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          Poet and theologian Martin Niemoller.

          “First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
          Because I was not a Socialist.

          Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
          Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

          Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
          Because I was not a Jew.
          Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”

          • Three Finger Salute

            That’s the one. It speaks volumes even though he left out a few categories. Some of which (LGBT) couldn’t even be mentioned in America after the war.

    • TJ Barke

      Steve Bannon is a fucking lunatic.

      • WotsAllThisThen

        He literally fantasizes about being the Spartans who destroy western civilization.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      I can’t believe the man who said he wants to burn it all down wants to burn it all down. If only we’d had some warning.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Butter emails and the popular vote that was within the margarine of error.

    • TheGrandWazoo2

      It’s going to take a long time to fix all the shit these guys fuck up.

    • Thiazin Red

      -Lessons from that book:

      1. Do not needlessly anger your allies by doing stupid shit like violating the treaties you made with them.
      2. If you are in a war with country A, do not start a war with country B when country B has nothing to do with anything.
      3. The war in country B will not pay for itself.

    • BosGrl

      I can’t believe this is happening. This has got to be a mirror universe.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      Of course. His schlumph ass won’t be fighting.

  • clubseal

    Douche Canoe’s lie about the media “ignoring” that fact reminds me of the Facebook posts I’ve seen that proudly proclaim “The mainstream leftist media won’t report this!11!!”
    The first time I saw one, I went out and found links to numerous “left wing” media outlets reporting on said topic, to which the original poster nonsensically replied, “Proves my point.”
    After that, I just ignored the posts.

    • TJ Barke

      These people are so fucking far down the rabbit hole…

      • clubseal

        The rabbit moved out because he couldn’t take their shit.

    • TheGrandWazoo2

      It’s kind of like the “all the Democrats are celebrating Scalise being shot.” When asked for proof I got a screenshot of a tweet that nobody has ever heard of.

      • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

        A tweet a right-winger likely posted himself.

      • clubseal

        “They’re right there, behind all those Muslims celebrating 9/11 on the streets of New Jersey.”

        • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

          They’re hiding in the basement at Ping Pong Pizza, planning the Bowling Green Massacre!

          • clubseal

            I’ll take an order of *wink* Olive Pizza, with a side of *elbow bump* Marinara Sauce, if you know what I mean.

          • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

            Don’t forget the “spirit cooking”. That’s the flavor-maker.

          • Granny Sprinkles

            Add some sausage? Say no more.

          • Granny Sprinkles

            Apparently we planned well, since there are no survivors.

    • Three Finger Salute

      At least Facebook makes them bowdlerize their sentiments a bit. On the darker corners of the web, the phrase is usually “JEW MEDIA SILENT!”

  • AnnieGetYerFun

    Sorry, we’re supposed to congratulate the GOP for sending so few women to Congress?

    • La forza del resistino

      hey, they just broke the 9% of caucus gender ceiling.
      and in 2010, they made their 1st lady chair appt – the Administration committee – kinda in charge of buying toilet paper and paper plates.

      • Celtic_Gnome

        When I worked on the phone banks in the Secretary of State’s office, we got calls from people with questions and issues who had no idea what state agency they needed to talk to, so they called us, because the secretary always knows how everything works.

  • SterWonk

    Well, per Donny Jr, Democrats aren’t even human anyway…

  • La forza del resistino

    Some day a research geneticist will confirm there is a hereditary cause for stupid with a dose of lack of self awareness.

  • Michael R
  • WotsAllThisThen

    I guess he sees getting Republicans to vote for a woman as more of a challenge.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸
    • Ezio

      Donald Trump Jr looks like his real name is Vinny Gambini Jr.

      • Celtic_Gnome

        Hey, wasn’t he head of security at the Trump Towers Tiffany when Ivana lived there?

  • Ezio

    This just reminds me of how Julian Assange was concern trolling that Marine Le Pen lost the French elections due to sexism.

  • Yr. Gma

    When all of this is a distant (bad) memory, I may miss Donnie Jr. the least of all the Hateful Spawn.

  • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

    Funny, if you want to talk about “glass ceilings” and Republicans should we mention the only time a woman gets within a hundred miles of a leadership position within the GOP is in the “see, we know women exist too” mode.

    • Proud Liberal

      And the ones they elect are dumber than rocks.

      • Rick Hill

        Those are the only ones they tolerate, they probably know when to keep their mouths shut too

  • WomanInThePersistence

    I’m not sure if we’ve gone full Open Thread. So this sorta counts as on topic. And it’s fucking great.

    https://youtu.be/HPXHRX8Q2hs

    • Skeptical_thinker

      The movie is much, much better than the musical.

      • Joe Beese

        The movie they based the musical on? Or the movie they made of the musical?

        • Skeptical_thinker

          The Zero Mostel/Gene WIlder movie. A movie that didn’t need to be reamade (see: Charade)

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Not enough upvotes can be given.

      • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

        We don’t acknowledge the musical.

    • I love the original so, so much. Love love love Zero Mostel!

      • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

        Did you ever see him in A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum?

        • Of course! Great, early Sondheim score!

          • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

            I knew there was more than politics I liked about you!

            He was also great in Fiddler on the Roof. Love Topol, but Zero nailed it in my mind.

          • I’m a musician (French horn), and studied with a member of the original Broadway orchestra for, among many other shows, A Funny Thing Happened, starring Mostel. Mostel was known for improvising A LOT, delaying the show by as much as 20-30 minutes. That cost super giant mega bucks they have to pay everyone in overtime. One night my teacher said that, in the middle of an improv spot, Mostel acted like he was going to barf into the orchestra pit, so he held up the bell of his horn for him to barf into. Mostel’s eyes iit up, as he saw the horn as a tool for even more improv. The conductor shut it down by glaring a message at him, that if he didn’t pull his horn down so Mostel couldn’t delay the show even more, he’d never work in Broadway again. He got the message, and very reluctantly pulled his horn away. He said he always wondered what Mostel would have done with it, but didn’t want to sacrifice his career to find out.

        • Marion in Savannah

          Loved it!

    • Joe Beese

      Still better than Starlight Express.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        And a better love story than “Twilight”.

        • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

          Which is not a way better love story than The Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      Ladies and Gentlemen: “Fox and Friends”

  • Joe Beese

    Margot Robbie teaches you Aussie slang.

    (Gosh, she’s pretty.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNZIJmEZ91g

    • Ezio

      Too bad DC ruined Suicide Squad. She could have been a good Harley Quinn.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        She was the best part of the movie

        • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

          She was the ONLY part of the movie.

          I like Jared Leto, I just don’t like his Joker.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            His joker was not good, at all.

            I thought Will Smith did a surprisingly good job, considering…

          • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

            I did as well, but it was hard for me to buy him as Deadshot. I always associate Will Smith with “nice”.

          • Three Finger Salute
          • William Cook for now

            Kind of a strike against his acting skills.

      • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

        Film was produced by Steve Mnuchin which is clearly an explanation and a harbinger.

      • hendenburg2

        She WAS a good Harley Quinn.

        Her backstory of “prison psychiatrist who fell in love with the Joker” was stupid, but that wasn’t her fault.

  • schmannity

    “Paul Ryan is a c*ck, he’s a c*ck, get him out,” the intern said. “Paul Ryan: c*ck first and Yankee second.”

    “Americans are the superior race to everyone in the world … we’re superior people,” the intern claimed, while referring to the British “f*ggots.”

    Some of the thoughtful stylings of Sen. Tom Cotton’s Congressional intern.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/listen-tom-cottons-self-proclaimed-bigot-intern-calls-paul-ryan-a-cuck-and-the-british-faots/

    • He seems nice.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Why do you libtards always have to play the race card?

    • WomanInThePersistence

      “Nate”? How disappointing. I hoping that it was Brad at last.

      • schmannity

        Takei Libel.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        Bubba to his friends

    • hendenburg2
    • notaten

      A lot of Native Americans will be happy to hear this, although I doubt that’s what this ignorant person meant.

    • Kakariki

      Why did they censor the word cuck? Is that considered a swear word? I seriously thought it was saying “Paul Ryan is a cock, he’s a cock, get him out…Paul Ryan: cock first and Yankee second”.

    • tehbaddr

      He seems nice!

  • Picabo
  • Rick Hill

    “….virtually every major newspaper and TV network story on Handel mentioned that she is indeed the first Republican woman elected to the House. It’s not exactly something they hid.”

    That’s how he likely found out though he proly only had it on in the background and heard “…blah blah blah…first….blah blah…woman….”

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    Good Lord, they’re just so dumb…

    • Rick Hill

      I think they give up trying to even act smart after they find that the crap they spew gets them elected

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        It turns out that the real competition in this country isn’t left vs right, it’s smart vs dumb. And the dumb ones are winning because they breed like rabbits

        • Rick Hill

          A scifi short, The Marching Morons, was about just that.

          Just looked it up, it’s been a long time, C M Kornbluth wrote it.

          • Marion in Savannah

            Kornbluth did some amazing work. (Yes, I’m a bit of a science fiction nerd. Why do you ask?)

          • Bozilingus

            What did you think of The Space Merchants? It seems like we are closer to that society having happened.

          • Rick Hill

            I pretty much started off with Silverberg’s Across a Billion Years and Science Fiction Bestiary, though I can’t remember which I found first.

  • Yr. Gma

    What’s with all the trolls today? Did summer camp let out early or something?

    • WotsAllThisThen

      This one time, in troll camp…

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      there’s an especially stupid one on the Luntz thread

      boring as hell though.

      • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

        Repetitious little fucker too.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          they seem to be proud of their stupidity- they wear it like a badge

    • jesterpunk

      Dead Breitbart’s home for the stupid is spreading to other places.

    • Joe Beese

      They’re buzzed off GA-06 and feel like mischief, I suppose.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Missed them. Not sad about that.

      • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

        If you missed, recalibrate and fire for effect.

  • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

    Can I just go back to before I had to know about the inbred Winklevoss twins?

  • schmannity

    Apparently, Donnie Dumbass Junior and the nasal squeaker’s wife, Ivanka are possible Russian money laundering subjects. Maybe Junior can break the Supermax billionaire’s window.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/ivanka-and-donald-trump-jr-emerge-as-possible-targets-in-mueller-probe-of-russian-money-laundering/

    • Joe Beese

      Can you die of schadenfreude? Because if Ivanka gets indicted for money laundering, I’d be at risk.

      • WotsAllThisThen

        I’m honestly curious if she’ll make a kissy face in her mugshot.

        • therblig

          she’ll probably be relieved to finally be someplace where tiny hands daddy can’t get at her.

        • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

          You know she will. That’s her default face.

      • schmannity

        For me, it would be Ivanka serving her sentence in a Chinese jail and forced to make overpriced, mediocre clothing.

        • WotsAllThisThen

          No reporter would risk going undercover to investigate that.

      • Marion in Savannah

        You ain’t the only one, darlin’.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        I’m willing to take that chance

      • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

        “Lock her up! Lock her up!”

        Too soon?

        • Marion in Savannah

          No.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          Not soon enough.

  • Poly_Ester

    Donnie Jr, the turd doesn’t fall far from the asshole.

  • Pre-Existing Condition Jack
    • not_vh

      fake foto. he does not have even an iota character these guys prolly have.

    • covfefesumgame0005

      the one with the purty mouth

    • Bill D. Burger

      Eric and Don Jr. before the cosmetic surgery.

  • Joe Beese

    A Cypress, Texas woman is undergoing eight plastic surgery procedures in an effort to look like First Lady Melania Trump.

    The Houston Chronicle reports Claudia Sierra’s surgeries include, “revision breast reconstruction, revision rhinoplasty, tummy tuck, liposuction, Brazilian butt lift, eyelid lift, Botox, fillers, and unspecified injectable treatments.”

    “I want to feel like the First Lady that I know I am inside,” said Claudia in a media statement posted by her plastic surgeon. “Melania for me illustrates power and strength; she is our First Lady and I am looking forward to more closely resembling her and becoming a better version of ME and for it to show on the outside.”

    The media statement claims the First Lady may overtake her step-daughter, Ivanka Trump, as the “new plastic surgery pin up girl.”

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/i-want-to-feel-like-the-first-lady-that-i-know-i-am-inside-melania-fans-are-getting-plastic-surgery/

    • alpacapunchbowl

      How do the doctors who enable this delusional fuckery keep their licenses?

      • Marion in Savannah

        Yarble, gargle, voluntary, gurgle, elective procedure, ka-CHING.

      • Joe Beese

        I had to google “brazilian butt lift”.

        A Brazilian butt lift is a butt augmentation procedure that uses liposuction to harvest fat from one or more areas of the body, and inject it into the butt cheeks and the outer hips. …

        Dr. Mendieta says to expect roughly 60% of the injected fat to the stay put.* Your body will naturally reabsorb and eliminate the rest. “The great thing about the Brazilian butt lift surgery is that the fat cells that survive the transfer will live in their new location,” he said in a BBL Q&A.

        https://www.realself.com/guide/brazilian-butt-lift-questions-answered

        • alpacapunchbowl

          I have nothing against plastic surgery in and of itself, you do you and all that.
          That said, gross.

        • therblig

          so hips DO lie?

          i’ll never trust shakira again.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Why bother with a bunch of plastic surgeries when she can opt for just one simple lobotomy?

    • Bananas Foster

      Mandatory psych evals should be required for all elective plastic surgery.

      How hard it is to throw them in with a LCT or PhD for an hour?

      (Now I want to research malpractice wrt body dysmorphia.)

      • Marion in Savannah

        Well, it kinda depends. I used to have ears like Prince Charles, and from the back I looked like a taxi with both doors open. Had them pinned back. Best thing I ever did for myself.

        • Bananas Foster

          That’s fantastic. I’m sure the therapist would have been behind you 100 percent.

          • Marion in Savannah

            When you spent your entire childhood being called “Dumbo…”

      • Celtic_Gnome

        It’s a hell of a lot harder to get an abortion.

    • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

      Surgical Addiction is a hell of a drug.

    • OutOfOrbit

      What are the odds she will get through all this without any nasty…problems?

      • Marion in Savannah

        Slim, one hopes.

      • therblig

        you mean she might end up actually looking like melon?

    • therblig

      why doesn’t she just marry a narcissistic asshole? it will come naturally.

    • covfefesumgame0005

      I thought that moron who got it to look like Barbie was stupid, this goes waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond that!

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      The plastic surgeon who enables someone with this kind of mental illness should be run out of town. Even here in L.A. no reputable surgeon would touch this kind of patient.

  • Marion in Savannah

    I always get confused — is this one Uday or Qusay?

  • msanthropesmr
    • Marion in Savannah

      And I see that you’re getting “The Look.” Fear The Look…

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        “I’m gonna fuck your shit up. All your shit.” – Dat dawg.

    • OutOfOrbit

      What happened? Rolling in sumthing?

    • tehbaddr

      That’s ’cause I finally rolled on him when you weren’t looking.

  • Joe Beese

    If he were a normal president, rather than one who produced calamities at an unprecedented pace, Trump’s open profiteering would receive five-alarm media coverage and threats of impeachment. The Washington Post recently reported that Trump’s budget slashes funding for a wide array of low-income housing programs, the one notable exception being a program that his own firm benefits from. The story connects this shady decision to an even shadier one: Trump’s appointment of Lynne Patton — a wedding planner close to the Trump family who possesses zero relevant experience and who has falsified her résumé — to oversee the Department of Housing and Urban Development’s programs in New York City. That is, Trump is using his budget to suspiciously single out for favoritism a program from which his firm benefits, and then installing a wildly unqualified personal loyalist in a position where she could protect his funding stream. This scandal alone could shake a non-Trump presidency to its foundations.

    That it has caused barely a ripple helps to explain why Trump feels emboldened to locate the first fundraiser for his reelection campaign at his hotel in Washington. Trump’s Washington hotel has already raked in cash from lobbyists and government officials, foreign and domestic, seeking to curry favor with the First Family. Trump has gotten away with it because his party has evinced zero interest in restraining him. The GOP Congress has quashed investigations of his profiteering or demands that he produce his tax returns. Now the party elite will literally be suborned at an event conjoining his public duties and the fattening of his own wallet.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/06/donald-trump-is-a-crook.html

    • Cheesus Crust _ Rebel

      Is this ever going to end?

      • not_vh

        the point JB is making is the outrage never even got started. forget putting a stop to it.

      • Joe Beese

        If the Republicans don’t care about televised confessions of obstruction of justice, they’re not going to care about a simple cash grab.

      • OutOfOrbit

        Yes, but not well.

    • Thiazin Red

      But pundits are telling me what democrats should really be focused on is getting rid of Nancy Pelosi because morons don’t like her for no reason.

      • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

        Wait till they recognize how badass Kamala is.

      • Joe Beese

        Veteran operators like Pelosi have their uses. But more fresh blood in the party might not be a bad thing.

    • mailman27

      It’s exhausting. It really is.

  • Picabo

    “If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.”
    ― Thomas Pynchon, Gravity’s Rainbow

  • Thiazin Red

    I guess this is our open thread. So the new GoT trailer looks pretty nice, I’m pleased by the amount of Sansa in it.

    • hendenburg2

      Maybe. But when my Arya gets a baby sister her name’s still going to be Eowyn

      • Thiazin Red

        Only if she gets a better ending than LOTR Eowyn. Oh women, you should learn to get over your silly ambitions and learn that you should be having babies and doing gentle stuff.

        • DainBramage

          I’d be extremely surprised if Arya lives to the end.

          • Thiazin Red

            Of the Strarks, I’m going to guess Bran dies and goes into something else.

          • DainBramage

            I think Arya will have a second life in her dire wolf, Nymeria. The books keep up the connection between them.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          You know, at least in the book, I was under the impression that she was dealing with PTSD. Not named that of course, Tolkien would have called it “shell shock”. But he certainly would have been familiar with it, since he was a veteran of the Western Front. I never saw her transformation as turning to “feminine” values. More her turning to ” normal human values”.

  • Three Finger Salute

    OT: Today is Prince William’s 35th birthday. We need to change that whole “born in the USA” thing in the Constitution, because he’s officially old enough to become president now. Will/Harry 2020.

    http://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/g10161020/prince-williams-royal-life-in-photos/

    • Bananas Foster

      We have enough mediocre white male inbred politicians in the US already.

  • canes_pugnaces

    When does this horrible family finally go away… oh never mind.

  • chascates

    Donald ‘Junior’ has a heavy beard that would make a musk ox proud. Donald the Elder and Eric aren’t cursed like that so I’m calling him a bastard, probably the spawn of Richard Nixon. Nixon also had greasy hair and was also full of shit. Q.E.D.

    • alpacapunchbowl

      Is Eric the one that looks like his mom was fucking the milkman (I mean Gary Busey)? And is he Uday or Qusay?

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        And is he Uday or Qusay?

        i don’t think anyone really knows. Kinda like the olson twins…

        • alpacapunchbowl

          Well according to John Oliver there’s only one Olsen “twin”. Hmm. Maybe Uday and Qusay are both just Ivanka in bad wigs and fright masks?

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      I’d put money on that beautiful boy Barron having zero Trump DNA, luckily for him.

  • Rick Hill

    A mosque in Iraq, which is supposed to be where ISIS started it’s caliphate, has been destroyed. I hope that there is some preparation for an attack in the next few days. Always seems to be retaliatory strike from then when there is a major blow against them

  • hendenburg2

    So here’s a lighthearted read about something not only not racist, but legitimately funny that came from Reddit: (basically, people redesigning the volume control on web video players)

    http://lifehacker.com/reddits-terrible-volume-controls-teach-good-design-1796278889

    • alpacapunchbowl

      I particularly liked “make a noise as loud as you want the volume to be”.

      • hendenburg2

        My favorite was the first – the horizontal movement on a vertical slider. One of those times where supreme incompetence becomes indistinguishable from malice

        • alpacapunchbowl

          It is very Kafka/Brazil, isn’t it!

    • not_vh

      i like the volume change request form. needs to be filed in triplicate and with attached passport size photo though.

  • Apple Scruff

    I’m starting to think that Chinless Don Jr. is even dumber than Big Fat Daddy.

  • WomanInThePersistence

    And my latest White House spam.

    “Obamacare has led to higher costs and fewer health insurance options for millions of Americans. The 2010 healthcare law has brought the American people rising premiums, unaffordable deductibles, fewer insurance choices, and higher taxes. President Donald J. Trump promised to repeal and replace this disaster, and that is exactly what he is working with Congress to achieve.”

    “https://youtu.be/FXVynhaEhxs

    You all know how fucking serious this is. People will die if this revolting thing passes. Please contact your senator and pass this info along.

    https://www.senate.gov/senators/contact/

  • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

    Oh, this will get a freakin’ ton of airplay. https://twitter.com/CNN/status/877643410756292608

  • Carpe Vagenda

    I’ve heard you find this kind of thing in your less-well-run prisons.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/048a02abc69a06daa06152134837b21274d8bce2960a5ccdff11a18a438dba64.jpg

    • Shibusa

      What does that even mean?

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        that the black members of congress are overseers to the democrats plantation.

        It’s fucking dumb as hell and makes little sense. I’m sure the black caucus would like ot have a word or two with Souza.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        It means “In every way that matters, I’m really totally white.”

        • therblig

          he should change his name to Don Philip Sousa for full murican cred

    • jesterpunk

      Convicted Felon says what?

      • Vecchioivan

        “More wingnut welfare, please.”

    • Three Finger Salute

      Useful idiot from Mumbai doesn’t seem to get it: the Republiklan frog marchers would hang him from a tree in a heartbeat just the same, for not passing the paper bag test. So when is Douche D’Souza going to get off the plantation?

    • not_vh

      oh this asshole again.

  • Bill D. Burger

    You think Donny Jr is nuckin’ futz’, Devin Nunes today yelled: “Hold my beer and watch this!”

    [Devin Nunes Goes Insane And Claims Democrats Shot Scalise And Have A Conspiracy Against Him
    By Jason Easley on Wed, Jun 21st, 2017 at 12:21 pm
    Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA), the chair of the House Intelligence Committee, blamed Democrats solely for the Steve Scalise shooting, claimed that 90% of the media are Democrats, and said that because of the threat posed to him Democrats he won’t be holding any town halls.
    Devin Nunes’s tortured logic goes like this. Ninety percent of the media are Democrats. Democrats are also responsible for the shooting of Steve Scalise because their rhetoric incites violence. The media is also working against Nunes by conspiring with Democrats to discredit him to cover up the real spying that Democrats are doing against their opponents for political reasons.

    Rep. Nunes is nuts. It is no wonder that he is Trump’s mole on the inside who is trying to sabotage the House Russia investigation. Nunes doesn’t need to step aside from the investigation. He must be removed from the House Intelligence Committee because he is clearly not mentally fit enough to serve in a leadership position.]

    The Devin Nunes Shithouse Rat
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DC3fHgVXUAEdhNB.jpg

    Lmao___Precious cuck and snowflake, isn’t he? ___ You killers!

    • jesterpunk

      So Devin Nunes is getting murdered with Roger Stone and they both keep getting better after it? They both sound like witches.

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      They literally are saying that Democrats aren’t people, and aren’t Americans. This kind of shit may have briefly “worked” for the Nazis in the 1930s/1940s, but it didn’t actually end well.

      • Three Finger Salute

        The only reason the GOP thinks it didn’t end well is because the “wrong side” lost the war.

        • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

          Sadly, there were quite a few Germans who felt the same way–they had no regrets, the only thing they were angry at Hitler for is that they lost.

    • Vecchioivan

      “Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk… ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children’s ice cream.”

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        i may have to watch that now.

    • Zippy W Pinhead
    • Marceline

      Here’s a theory: Steve Scalise is responsible for his own shooting because he fought for policies that made it likely.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      Bro pundits and the ladies with whom they hang lined up outside the capital building to scratch his eyes out.

    • Meccalopolis

      Isn’t he retiring?

    • OneYieldRegular

      House members ought to be required to read Richard Hofstadter’s “The Paranoid Style in American Politics” before immediately making themselves look like fools by putting forth any theory about anything.

      • Three Finger Salute

        House members ought to be required to read.

        Period.

        That won’t get you far with the GOP because “muh freeeedummmm!”

  • Apple Scruff

    OMG, David Muir!!! Don’t repeat that gloating “4-0″* bullshit about the special elections!

    I can’t believe I’m saying it, but YOU ARE DEAD TO ME DAVID MUIR.

    *Didn’t King Cheeto say 5-0 in his Tweet? What’s the fifth?

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    I can say so many things but I think the man I am listening tells it best even tough he has no real politicial agenda like pac.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzvL4O3uomg

    • Joe Beese

      bruised up from the pistol whipping
      welts on the neck from the necklace stripping

  • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

    Amen, Dok! Thank you, especially for the “smashed the glass with their faces.” Exactly!

    • aktlib101

      ^THIS^ yes!

  • HazooToo

    Weird question, just occurred to me after reading about the cop in Michigan… Do you guys ever wonder about ‘false flags’? We know that the Right’s #1 tactic is projection, and they’re often quick to scream “hoax!” or “false flag” when some right wing white christian shooter kills a bunch of people. But for some reason, that’s not the first place my mind goes when horrifying shit like the MI stabbing happens. Is that a good thing? Or is it somehow plausible that they’d do that?

    • TJ Barke

      See Operation Gladio.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      MI stabbing?!? What the hell?

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Never, ever put anything past those ratfuckers. There is nothing they wouldn’t stoop to if they felt the need.

    • Marceline

      I keep thinking about how gleefully they said that Scalise’s shooting would help them win. What’s to stop them from shooting their own people over and over again if they thought it would keep them in power?

      • HazooToo

        Point.

      • therblig

        “It’s an old Gestapo trick. Shoot one of your own people to show that you’re not one of them. They’ve just freshened it up a bit with blank cartridges.”

        • Me not sure

          Where’d I put my McGuffin?

      • TootsStansbury

        Or to encourage our demise.

    • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

      Yes, I wonder at times. Yes, lately I’m wondering even more.

    • ariel_gee_398

      I suspect when they do that sort of thing, we’ll be able to figure it out pretty quickly. They might remember to shout “Black Lives Matter” when committing a crime, but they probably won’t remember to take the Confederate flag and Hillary for Prison bumper stickers off their trucks.

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    Donnie Jr and his equally brain dead brother are the living embodiment of irritable bowel syndrome…

  • Joe Beese
    • Joe Beese

      They’ve expanded into harassing white people? Now this is a problem!

      • Vecchioivan

        Irish. Enough said.

        • ariel_gee_398

          So only sort of white.

    • Vecchioivan

      Did they deport him back to Gaelica?

      • WomanInThePersistence

        Armenia, or so I’ve heard.

      • therblig

        the arrest report says “Gay Lick” on it. that’s all the trumpanzees need.

    • efoveks

      Probably speaks better English than most of us therefore dangerous. Must arrest.!

    • BadKitty904
    • CindyinEncinitas

      Arresting people like John Cunningham is a lot safer for ICE agents than arresting actual criminals.

  • Three Finger Salute

    Ivanka is disappointed that she can’t have Justin, so daddy bought her a sexbot to make her feel better when he’s away. Strangely, he seems to require a lot of hydration.

    [img]http://i.imgur.com/7vuzvfW.jpg[/img]

    • janecita

      Why does she wear her sunglasses inside? It’s kind of weird.

      • efoveks

        Like a common heroin addict…

      • therblig

        bright lights hurt dead souls

      • aktlib101

        You have to project your “privilege/d” status somehow without opening your mouth

      • La forza del resistino

        to avoid being recognized by little Senators?

      • Three Finger Salute

        So that she can secretly give the side-eye to people who might look at her while secretly appreciating the fact that people are looking at her.

        It’s a vapid celebrity airhead thing.

    • Bill D. Burger

      Marco Rubio is the guy at a party who asks a girl he doesn’t know or barely knows “Where’s my hug?”

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        billy bush?

      • Three Finger Salute

        Marco!

    • Bill D. Burger

      https://68.media.tumblr.com/3fd5674775246c0fed07596b74b1fdcc/tumblr_nrjewaMlsc1s90yt2o1_500.gif

      “Can you. Do you mind if I? Smell good. Just a little. Okay. Here’s. Are you okay with this? Sweet. I just wanted to. Hi. Can I? Do you? “

    • TootsStansbury

      Oh my, is he going to grab her by the pussy?

    • BadKitty904

      I read that as “Dildo obligato“. Which is just as apt, actually.

  • CindyinEncinitas

    I have a friend who’s on the spectrum and he’s great except he lacks some social skills. Last night he came in and met another of my friends, Ned, who’s a meek, quiet internet security guy. They started talking for some reason about the Kennedy assassination. Another guy sitting next to Ned joined in and the conversation quickly devolved to each of them yelling over the other and it got so bad the staff gave up trying to shush them. And one of the servers walks by and shushes ME because I’m laughing so hard. I didn’t try to listen but I did hear one of them bleat “conspiracy theory” which I thought was a little below the belt. I mean, I thought the three of them were on a pretty level playing field. Ned thinks he won because “I think they’re going to Google some of my points.”

  • schmannity

    Douche canoe? I’m thinking Douche Aqueduct.

    • Raan

      The douche canoe floats on a river of shit.

  • Picabo

    Going to my local public library tomorrow to put a hold on this book. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a42199b7e23919ede6ad3f0e7d2f0cce485c10c353a2c0a350445d5213413887.jpg

  • Zippy W Pinhead
    • Vecchioivan

      But shooting the survivors is part of our proud Democratic heritage!

  • La forza del resistino

    WH making the daily briefings more inclusive. Spicey will learn to sign ‘I’ll get back to you’ in ASL.

    • Three Finger Salute
      • alpacapunchbowl

        Isn’t that flippin’ the bird?
        I once quit a housekeeping job over the phone. The manager (who was eventually fired for skimming money) called back and told me that if I didn’t come in for my shift the next day, they would be terminating my employment. I reiterated that not 5 minutes ago I had informed him that I quit.
        He couldn’t *see* me flippin’ the bird over the phone, but that’s exactly what I was doing.
        This is the same guy who hired a former Miss Wisconsin for front of house and kept trying to fuck her. Never mind that up close and in person, she wasn’t even pretty.

  • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

    Somebody below mentioned false flags and someone else mentioned conspiracy theories. I generally abhor conspiracy theories, so I think this is mostly about money:

    • Three Finger Salute

      No, it’s about diversity. Specifically, “diversifying” their portfolio.

      In Mammon We Trust. Dollar-hoo Ackbar!

  • BadKitty904

    Is this the Open Thread?

    • Suse

      Sure, why not?

      • BadKitty904

        Well, one tries to be polite and lend this joint some tone, ya know…

        • Martini Ambassador 🍸

          Well la-de-da, Mr Fancy-Pants, “I use a coaster under my beer” guy.

        • Suse

          We were called garbage and other cute names a bit ago.

          • BadKitty904

            If that came from a reich-winger, I’d wear it as a badge of honor.

          • CindyinEncinitas

            He called us sweetie a lot. I noticed. I’ll take it. He was kind of a dick, though.

          • Suse

            Same old shit we always get from these morans.

          • CindyinEncinitas

            Yeah, he wasn’t very good.

          • efoveks

            “I rest my case.” ;)

    • Joe Beese

      The barn door is open and the cute critters are running loose through the fields.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5980671ce2c49a251f7f13fcf65f5f4188c7a7c2e6e3c4d9545df9b3c1a63854.jpg

  • JoeChristmas

    Swindler Jr. doesn’t keep his simpleton Föx talking points too straight. But he is good at shooting baby elephants and cheetahs in the head.

    • TootsStansbury

      And himself in the foot.

  • Persistent Demme

    I can’t wait to see his whole family, (and their shitty “brand”), lose everything.
    (My rage burns like a white, hot, poker.)
    Hell hath no fury…

  • Suse

    Is our dumbshit troll gone?

  • marxalot

    I successfully did a Thing today (more than one process, all one Thing)!
    I can’t feel my fingers or toes.
    Can I go home now?

    • BadKitty904

      Say wat?

    • Bill D. Burger

      Sounds like solid carbon dioxide is involved here?

  • BadKitty904

    Aight, supper’s in the oven. One of y’all come dance with me…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpQuNY3XFI0

    • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

      Sir. :) *offers hand*

      • BadKitty904

        Madam… *bows*

        And cuts into the Shag!

        • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

          *follows your lead*

          • BadKitty904

            Stroll’n’roll, m’dear, stroll’n’roll…

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          Wait…you know how to shag?

    • Joe Beese
  • Joe Beese

    Ladies, here’s your chance to entice your man with the special allure of Ivanka Trump… in the form of branded bras and panties sewed by Asian factory slaves.

    U.S. trademark officials have “steadily granted initial approval to a stream of new products” for the Ivanka Trump’s brand, including lingerie, leisurewear and athletic wear, according to Bloomberg. …

    The news of the Ivanka Trump brand’s move into the intimates market comes amidst reports of low wages and abuse in the brand’s factories in Asia. Although Ivanka took a leave of absence from running her brand to take a position in the White House in January, she remains the sole beneficiary of a trust receiving the company’s profits.

    During her father’s presidential campaign, as Bloomberg points out, “sales of her goods were up 21 percent,” and profits have only grown since she took a high profile position inside Trump’s administration.

    The specter of misconduct has only grown during Trump’s first five months in office, in light of a flurry of reports that the Ivanka Trump brand has secured trademarks in countries as the U.S. conducts official state business with their governments.

    http://www.mediaite.com/trump/ivanka-trump-sees-trademarks-approved-as-brand-looks-to-move-into-lingerie-business/

    • BadKitty904

      In “honor” of Iwanka’s Trump’s slaves…

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeuaTpH6Ck0

      ‘Tisn’t morals, ’tis money that saves…

    • Suse

      Probably made of the same material as her exploding scarves.

  • Joe Beese
    • mackafritz

      We’re Number 18! Woot!

    • Raan

      Wait, how the fuck are we above France?

      • Joe Beese

        They spent too much time on paid vacation.

      • wait! what?

        France is the notorious bottom of the EU.

      • BadKitty904

        We bathe?

        • Raan

          Yeah, but they didn’t elect an actual Nazi.

          • BadKitty904

            OK, good point.

      • Three Finger Salute

        We don’t count people as “unemployed” if people have given up looking for work or just given up on life altogether. We also don’t care about underemployment, because “be glad you have a job at all,” and don’t fight for fair wages lest you be seduced by the satanic siren call of “communism.” So basically, our own “metric system” is pretty fucked up. In pretty much every category, we’re “number 2.” And I don’t mean pencils.

    • Vecchioivan

      Fake news! They used the metric system!

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Remember when Mittens was running against Obama and he had that commercial that said “America’s falling behind in our standard of living” and then he’d do a super fast scroll of country names, so that the rubes who vote for the GOP wouldn’t notice that all the country’s with higher standards of living were European socialist democracies.

  • wait! what?

    Is this the open-ceiling thread, or…

  • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

    If this is Open Thread, then as promised:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/59b127f6989a70c84fb7a492c410fc937772ede630fb794a7c719afcd12f6bd4.jpg

    For Flames of War 4th Edition, these are Afrika Tiger 1 tanks of Panzerarmee Afrika, painted Green as seen in Tunisia. 15mm scale plastic kits from Battlefront Miniatures, a gift from a dear Friend.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ffaafc7472322f6fe2e0542b205a8c80dd2d310668850ab685d0950fd604b603.jpg

    I have one source says the tanks were painted with Italian Air Force “Oliva” paint, and 2 sources that says they were painted with US Army Olive Drab captured in the battle of Kasserine Pass.

    I’ve really enjoyed working on them, and they’ll be fun on the gaming table. The British have only one weapon, the 17/25 pounder “Pelican” anti-tank gun that can penetrate a Tiger frontally, so these Babies can just say “Come at me, Bitches”.

    • Joe Beese

      Does the penny represent an IED?

      • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

        No, just to show the size of the tanks.

        • msanthropesmr

          Those are small tanks.

        • Up In Smoke O’hontas

          You must have really good vision, or a superior optometrist! Nice work, now go kick some Nazi ass!

          • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

            I have a magnifying visor, actually. :) Thank you.

    • h4rr4r

      How do they do against space marines?

      • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

        Not well. xD I have a bunch of Space Marines that will eventually be Blood Angels.

        • Jonny On Maui

          Khorne Berserkers myself…

          Nice paint jobs. The hex boards tweeked my tabletop game addiction…

          • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

            Thank you. :) I’ll be showing off my Battletech Assault Company from Wolf’s Dragoons Zeta Battalion eventually. I have a couple of ancient lead World Eaters Marines too.

    • Picabo

      What are the hexagons?

      • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

        Battletech gaming board. I didn’t want to just put them on the floor for the photos. :)

    • Raan

      How many tanks does each miniature represent? Is it individual combat or is it more of a theater-wide situation?

      • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

        1-for-1 scale, Tactical combat. I have a Company of Tiger 1s for the SS in Normandy as well, and I’m working up Panzer III and Panzer IV tanks to have a force for Mid-War Afrika Korps that these Tigers will join.

    • OutOfOrbit

      I am here!

      • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

        I was thinking of you, Doll. :D

        • OutOfOrbit

          : )

    • biologydave

      As a fellow painter, I truly admire the shading effects in that scale. Just amazing!

      • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

        Thank you. Airbrush and Vallejo Model Air Afrika Korps paint set.

    • Ωbjectifier
  • Martini Ambassador 🍸
    • Joe Beese

      Brother Boniface pulls the sleeve back on his robe and graps a sharpened quill pen in his long bony fingers. After dipping its point in a small clay inkwell, he carefully makes a graceful downstroke to begin another copy of the Gospel of Matthew.

      Suddenly his hand is jarred by a streak of fur running across the vellum parchment. And the timeless quiet of the monastery is broken by his shout of “God damn it, Mittens!”

  • WotsAllThisThen

    As usual Frederick Douglass doesn’t get recognized for the good work he’s been doing.

    • Suse

      I hear he’s being considered to replace Spice Boy.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        I thought they were going with Andrew Jackson

        • Three Finger Salute

          I thought they were going with Tito or Jermaine.

          • CindyinEncinitas

            What? Has Beavis been eliminated?

  • Ryan Denniston

    This is an open thread, there should be no fuzz on this whatsoever.

  • Red Bird Ω

    Awkward.

  • Suse

    Tweety making a dinner date with Corey Booker!

  • msanthropesmr
    • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

      Awws

    • janecita

      What happened?

      • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

        He got a B-A-T-H

        • Up In Smoke O’hontas

          Oh, that’s gonna smart for a while. I’d apply some people food STAT!

        • janecita

          Oh no! Mine hates me for hours after a bath:-(

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Molly would never allow me to give her a bath. Her boyfriend Kevin the Groomer on the other hand…

          • janecita

            That Molly, she is too much:-)

        • Les Appentis De la résistance

          Why? Did it roll in poop?

          • msanthropesmr

            Something very very very smelly.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      The Sofa of Shame?

    • mancityRed6

      Daisy would let us hold her down in the tub, and stay there so long as someone held her loosely in place.
      As soon as she was out of the tub she was shaking it off and going to sit on the couch. Forgotten and over.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Beany!

    • Ωbjectifier

      “Just got my coat smelling the way I want and my human has to go and ruin it”.

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      Awww!

  • OneYieldRegular

    Donald Trump Jr. has broken the balsa wood floor of tweeting-while-ignorant.

  • Zippy W Pinhead
    • BosGrl

      Are you fucking kidding me?

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        Tone deaf, much? Jesus, these people are crazy.

    • Ryan Denniston

      By banning them from traveling to the US!

    • Raan
      • mancityRed6

        I must disagree. Jamesons tastes best with PG tips.

      • OutOfOrbit

        [Bourbon[!] in coffee? Never seen that before.

        • Up In Smoke O’hontas

          Who says there’s any coffee in that kettle?

          • OutOfOrbit

            Ah, of course: Tea.

      • msanthropesmr

        I always thought Pearl was more of a Cava or Prosecco drinker.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Regular Mother Teresa, ain’t she.

      • Suse

        Have you read Christopher Hitchens’s book about Mother T? It’s called The Missionary Position and it’s mind blowing.

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          I gave up on Hitchens when he became a cheerleader for Bush and the Iraq war.

      • SeeTrain65

        A “Mother” something.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      I used to think she was fairly intelligent. Now I know she’s just a dingbat with a fairly decent vocabulary.

      • Vicki Lawrence’s Covfefe

        Archietecting. She uses “architect” as a verb. I mean, I guess it’s on the moran version of the SAT.

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          I laughed out loud when I was watching Sam Bee run a clip of her saying “women are architecting their own lives.” Sure, bitch, all those who don’t actually have to work for a living can “architect” their lives.

          • Vicki Lawrence’s Covfefe

            You know, maybe this is how Melanoma got her degree.

            Donnie Two Scoops: Baby doll, what should new mommy be good at?

            Ivanka: Architecting, daddy.

    • mancityRed6
    • Suse

      She’s the worst of the bunch because she pretends to be kind and compassionate. The other ones just spew their vitriol and don’t give a shit how they appear.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        and way too many in the MSM fall for that BS. She’s just a better packaged and coached sociopath- just as ugly underneath the sparkly wrapper

        • Suse

          Yup!

  • HazooToo
  • Jennifer R

    Hah the troll in the previous thread said today’s magic phrase!

    • Suse

      What?

      • Jennifer R

        “Virtue Signaling” Which is when someone has been shown to be a shitty person, and instead of working to become a better person, they complain about the person who was originally better than them just showing off and pretending.

        • Suse

          It’s too hot to process that, but thanks. :-)

        • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

          How do these folks come up with so many different ways to basically say “I am a terrible person with zero capacity for self-reflection”?

          • Jennifer R

            I do appreciate that they have shortened it.

          • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

            True, we must at least credit them with efficiency.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            I suspect it is because they have a lot of time on their hands. Among other things.

        • La forza del resistino

          virtue signaling is a sure way to not get a prom date, he or she.

        • Rachel Book Harlot

          Sounds very Trumpian.

  • aktlib101

    Did someone let the Shitgibbon know about this latest heresy from Ford Motors? Unacceptable !
    Drudge? Fox? Hannity? Trumpanzees? MAGA-fans? what say you?

    “http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a55784/ford-china/
    and
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/business/ford-china-export-focus-mexico.html

    “After years of predictions that cars sold in the West would bear the “Made in China” label, the time has finally come.

    Ford Motor’s plans to build its popular Focus compact cars in China, rather than Michigan or Mexico, is a milestone in China’s automotive rise. Chinese auto industry leaders praised the move as long-awaited confirmation that the country’s factories have become as efficient and high-quality as those in the United States and Europe”

    Winning, how does it feel?

    • Three Finger Salute

      This actually breaks my heart. I myself used to take pride in the fact that Detroit cars were “American” cars, and now they’re in the hands of a brutal, totalitarian regime like China. Well, OK, the U.S. is a brutal, totalitarian regime too, but China is at least open about it. The U.S. still tries to have that new country smell. It’s smelling a lot more like shit these days and no amount of air fresheners can mask it anymore. But there’s a part of me that still wants to be “noseblind” like the Febreze commercial.

      I feel dirty just reading this, because it means that there’s literally nothing that could have been done to stop American goods from being made overseas. Especially in a downright barbaric country like China, where workers are literally chained to their posts at places like Foxconn and Nike. The Chicoms are NOT our friends. They clearly don’t care about workers either.

      Damn the corporates and their relentless pursuit of profit at the expense of human quality of life. Damn the Republicans for being unionbusters at the behest of the corporates too. Every time I see Made in China on anything, a piece of me dies inside. So much for looking for the union label. Child labor laws don’t apply to toddlers in Shanghai making Ivanka’s clothes, Donald’s iPhone, or the Ford F-150 that Cletus flies the Stars & Bars from as he yearns for a time when slave labor was a thing here. Which, of course, is the point.

      Go ahead and blow the planet to bits, Donald, Kim, and the perpetually warring Abrahamists in the sandbox. There’s nothing redeeming about our world anymore. Humans are the #1 apex predators, not only of the natural world and other species — but especially of each other. Nuclear holocaust would be merciful euthanasia for 99.99999% of us at this point.

  • chascates
    • mackafritz

      “The details are technical, but the figure I pulled out of my ass…”

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        yup, about right.

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      the last time we heard this it was total horseshit too.

    • Ryan Denniston

      Cause all of the Illegals obviously voted for Clinton. Why would you assume that?

      • OutOfOrbit

        Illegals are smarter than Republicans.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          so are my house plants

    • ltmcdies

      I’m sorry is that some kind of conservative polling math I’m suppose to take as accurate without someone else running the numbers.

      I don’t George W whining and crying this much about not getting the popular vote

      • Raan

        George W. had a less fragile ego.

      • miss_grundy

        Dubya thinks Dolt 45 is cray-cray…..

        • Lord Jim

          Ten years ago, I could never have imagined that I’d live to see the president elected who could make George Jr look like Thomas Fucking Jefferson.

    • mancityRed6

      I really wish I could say that we’ve hit “peak stupid”, but I’d be wrong.

      • TJ Barke

        Stupidity is infinite. It can’t peak.

        • weejee

          Its singularity hides behind a black hole of circular thinking.

        • Three Finger Salute

          “There are two things for which I know there to be no limits: the universe, and human stupidity. But then again… I’m not so sure about the universe.” -Albert Einstein

      • efoveks

        Your naiveté is cute. :)

      • JustDon’tSayShank

        I think we’re gliding along “assymptotic stupid”. And, yes, I left the extra ‘s’ because I like it.

    • TJ Barke

      *Cough*fucking horseshit!*cough*

    • weejee

      Chairman Meow, I do hope you where proper safety gear when troll places where you found this fine example statistical skullduggery.

      • chascates

        Rest assured I wash my mind with alcohol as a disinfectant.

        • Up In Smoke O’hontas

          And for god’s sake, close the damn screen door or you’re going to bring the flies in!

    • efoveks

      And exactly for whom did these people vote? If true, I’d be willing to bet that most of them did not vote for Hillary. :D

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Sadly, this showed up on my uber lefty Hillary hater’s Faceplace thread. I didn’t bother poking holes in it because I’ve given up on him- that and I can no longer tell the difference between him and a RWNJ

      • BosGrl

        I have one of those too. I just O.o now.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          I tried explaining the horseshoe theory, punched holes in all his goofy conspiracies (which led to the same down the rabbithole moving the goalpost BS as the RWNJs) and even tried to shame him for admitting he reads infowars, but he honestly hates mainstream Dems more than the GOP at this point and blames the “establishment” or the “Deep State” for everything wrong in the country. I gave up after being deluged offline by mutual friends asking WTF is wrong with him and do we need to stage an intervention? Sadly, the answers are “a whole bunch is wrong with him” and “yes, he needs an intervention” but it wouldn’t do any good as he’d just dig in and convince himself we’ve all been brainwashed by the corrupt deep state. No surprise, he also believes the Seth Rich controversy and I’m afraid I’d just lose my temper over that and destroy the friendship.

    • Rick Hill

      “First you declare all the news to be fake…then you write your own news….then you get all the idiots…”

    • Martini Ambassador 🍸

      “The details are technical” is sort of akin to his smoking-hot girlfriend that you haven’t met because she’s from Canada.

      • Three Finger Salute

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtNNBf_1KQ

        The mastermind of this operation is none other than a 140-pound hacker sitting on his bed by the name of Brian “The Brain” Johnson. He not only has a “hot girlfriend from Canada,” so he says, but he made a fake ID and tried to pass himself off as 62 years old so he could vote.

        At least he tried to redeem himself by making a lamp of the GOP’s mascot that’s as crooked and malfunctioning as the party itself.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      1. Even if this study were correct, which I seriously doubt, in what way does the 2008 vote affect the 2016 outcome?

      2. Again assuming these questionable figures are correct, if the number declined by nearly two million in 2012, who’s to say it didn’t decline by that amount in 2016 (hence being below the 3M figure Hillary won the popular vote by?

      3. Oh, for fuck’s sake.

      • Rick Hill

        It delegitimizes Obama, too

        • BosGrl

          Because of course it does since he’s illegal too.

    • Rick Hill

      At the very least, one result of this “fact” is that, when the Russian collusion is confirmed, these idiots will claim “It’s ok because it balanced out the illegal votes for the Democrats”

      • efoveks

        Until they confirm that the “illegals” voting were really Russians meddling and voting for Trump (a girl can hope!)

    • Joe Beese

      They seem sensitive on this point.

    • aktlib101

      Complete horseshit. There is no proof whatsoever that illegal voting happened anywhere. It’s all based on projections and assumptions. If they had any concrete proof, they would have shown names of some “illegals” who “voted” “illegaly”. Particularly on Fox, Breitfart, Drudge, etc. 5 million? Only in the stupid Republican credulous brains. Morans.

    • miss_grundy

      Do these shit eaters realize that in order to vote you now have to show some sort of state-approved identification, whether a driver’s license or your passport? The only people who believe this horse shit are those racist bigots who watch Faux News.

    • Zippy W Pinhead
      • chascates

        WND is running it too. There must be a central site that sends out the daily horseshit to all the useless idiot franchises.

    • BosGrl

      What’s all this about ill eagles?

      • Meccalopolis

        Blessed are the cheese makers?

    • SeeTrain65

      Congrats, Fox. You just bit on ACTUAL fake news.

  • wait! what?

    Ever top post a troll in a glass-ceiling open thread?

    It’s exshardinary…

    • WomanInThePersistence

      What? I step away to get a bite to eat, and we’re topping trolls? What?

  • Red Bird Ω

    I made homemade ice cream with one of those fancy machines that don’t need the rock salt. Three flavors: coconut, soursop and lemon sorbet (not really ice cream). So, it’s good, like so good I feel like I just discovered ice cream for the first time. It takes the edge off of the past few days.

    • janecita

      I love making homemade ice cream, I made honey and lavender last.

    • msanthropesmr

      Lemon gelato…..it’s my go to. Creamy yet tart.

      • Suse

        I like Secret Breakfast flavor (vanilla, cornflakes, bourbon) made by Humphry Slocombe in San Francisco. Recipe is online, too. http://www.humphryslocombe.com/

      • Red Bird Ω

        Yes. Love lemon anything.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      I’ve never been able to get those things to work. I always just end up with slightly cold sweet heavy cream soup.

      • Red Bird Ω

        That’s happened to me before. The container has to freeze for at least 8 hours before use and the mixture should be refrigerated prior to use also.

        • Jamoche

          Cook’s Illustrated has a technique that helps too: take about a cup of the custard mix, freeze it in a shallow tray while the rest is in the fridge. Break up the frozen part and stir it into the cold part until it melts – this pre-chills the cold part even more.

  • mancityRed6

    it’s my Friday, and I’m gonna head to the Ikea in a little bit since they finally have that chair I wouldn’t mind sitting in. I expect it to be quite slow on weekday night.
    anyone need anything?

    • msanthropesmr

      Prebroken furniture and swedish meatballs for everyone!

      • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

        Love those Swedey balls!

        • Suse

          Remember the horse meat scandal a couple of years ago?

          • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

            And here, I thought they were made from majestic møøseses.

          • BosGrl

            You know… a moose once bit my – oh, never mind.

          • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

            I’m glad you didn’t say dik. Cause that happened to me once.

            No, reali.

          • BosGrl

            LOL

    • miss_grundy

      Those Anna cookies are nice. And I think I even had some chocolate nut cookies from there once.

    • wait! what?
    • Raan

      Anything that looks solid enough to erase 2016 from my memory.

      I expect you to bring me nothing.

      • mancityRed6

        a gold brick wrapped in a slice of lemon it is

        • Lord Jim

          Pangalactic Gargle Blaster! One for me as well…

    • JustDon’tSayShank

      My shelf is missing something. I think they called it a “plerb”.

      • mancityRed6

        you’re thinking of a skrü

    • BosGrl

      I’ve had 2 bureaus and a dining set in my cart for 2 weeks. Could you pick them up please?

      • mancityRed6
        • BosGrl

          Yeah, I have a Scion same size. That’s why I have to order them online :).

          • mancityRed6

            the original small one or the second version? I really wanted the second version.

          • BosGrl

            Not the original, the XD. I love it. It gets great gas mileage and (knock wood) I’ve had no problems in the 2 years I’ve owned it.

          • mancityRed6

            the ex and I test drove one, loved it. but then the earthquake and tsunami happened and they were as rare as hen’s teeth with a five speed.

          • BosGrl

            Oh damn. :(

          • mancityRed6

            long story short, we got married and asked for $$$ for a car, we ended up with a ’07 Focus for a month until she got t boned and it got totaled. we got the Mazda 2 weeks after.

          • BosGrl

            Yikes!! I’m glad she’s ok. That sucks – one month after your wedding.

          • mancityRed6

            I was glad she was ok, but I was pissed. it had 40K miles on it but was huge inside and fast.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      Do they have those curvy, retro metal patio chairs? I need a light green one, and a matching table. Thanks!

      • mancityRed6

        I think Lowes would be your best bet there. they’re not bad, we had a few, but they do collect water in the arms somehow.

    • Ωbjectifier

      A new allen wrench would be nice.

      • alpacapunchbowl

        That comes free with purchase of fvürkgenlœnd, $199.87.

      • mancityRed6

        *looks at drawer full of assembly tools*
        I might have one of those.

    • Red Bird Ω

      meatballs

      • mancityRed6

        they probably won’t make it so I’ll just tell you how they are.

    • alpacapunchbowl

      A 6-drawer dresser, kitchen wastebin, one of those squiggly light bulbs, and some of those microwave safe glass bowls with lids. Thanks!

      • mancityRed6
        • alpacapunchbowl

          Well shit. God said no too. She won’t even let me borrow her truck!

          • CindyinEncinitas

            The nerve! Who does she think she is?

          • alpacapunchbowl

            Got a real savior complex, that one.

      • mancityRed6

        and I’ve actually got all the lights (except the ceiling fan) filled with the less than $2 a pair LED bulbs from Ikea. they’re supposed to only be 40 watt equivalent, but they’re as bright as 60.

  • SayItWithWookies

    Cynthia McKinney! So that means Handel wasn’t even the first crazy-ass conspiracy theorist woman that Georgia elected to the House.

  • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

    Say Ed, you know how hot it was in Phoenix today?

    No Johnny, how hot was it?

    It was so hot,
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9e1a5c9ce309b418cd183483a09791804349fcc406b7db6cd50d76f151bdbcc4.jpg

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      The poor pooches. Booties all around!

    • Bill D. Burger

      ….you can bake cookies in your car while you slave away at work.

      Captioned: “117 ° today in Phoenix. I baked cookies in my car. Your observations on this heat are now irrelevant.”

      https://i.imgur.com/fVtjnxc.png

    • Rick Hill
      • Ωbjectifier

        Oh that it was only 111.

      • Jennifer R

        The summer I lived in Arkansas, it was 114 for a while according to the weather board outside my apartment.

        • Rick Hill

          Yeah but with the humidity it’s more like a steam bath

          • Jennifer R

            Both Fort Smith and Sacramento are like that, inasmuch as boiling swamps can be considered a steam bath.

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        Whiny ass titty baby. It was probably a low-humidity day, also too.

        Meh.

    • Left Coast Tom

      Phoenix is a city named after a mythological bird that dies in flames then rises from its own ashes.

    • CindyinEncinitas

      A lot of people don’t realize that a dog’s feet can burn on hot pavement. If you can’t hold the back of your hand on pavement for five seconds, it is too hot for your dog’s feet.

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Downtown Phoenix: I went outside to check the mailbox at about 3PM. I was barefoot. Anyway, I noticed like, “Hey it’s kind warm today.” and went back in with my mail and ordered an extra five gallon bottle of water for delivery. Phoenix tap water tastes terrible, like it’s full of scorpion piss or something. Maybe it’s all the piss from the conservatives living around here, most of them complaining about the heat.

      Meh.

      My feet were not burned so it rated as only “warm” today.

      • Left Coast Tom

        Hmm…I’m outraged that it’s supposed to get up to 94 tomorrow here, I’m quite sure I never agreed to any such thing when I bought the house.

        • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

          94? Burrrrrrr!

    • efoveks

      Poor puppy. :( I hope the covers were preventative and not after-the-fact.

  • La forza del resistino

    Jared’s ME peace talks with Bibi and Abbas come up short today. He was only able to get commitments to buy 4 condos in NJ.

    • jesterpunk

      Did he get them to invest in 666 5th avenue?

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      i was at the gym earlier, Fox called Jared Trump’s “Mideast Advisor”.

      I was like, based on fucking what?

      • Raan

        The same thing that thing about six million illegal voters came from.

        Whatever they pulled straight out of the anus.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸
    • wait! what?

      Mission Impossible 6 is looking pretty lame…

      • SeeTrain65

        Cruise won’t turn down the money, tho …

    • Jennifer R

      Fucking contractors. Can’t trust a damn mercenary.

    • h4rr4r

      So let me break this down:
      1. Swipe pay card
      2. Machine checks balance
      3. Pull network cable
      4. Select snack
      5. Machine fails to debit account for snack
      6. Plug cable back in

      Why is the machine vending before the debit occurs?

      What kind of moron risks their job over some candy?

    • Joe Beese

      After I push the button, the machine display reads “VEND”.

      Then you hear some rattling, but it takes so long that you start to worry that it won’t come through. And I yell at the machine, “Vend! Vend, damn you!”

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    I’m assuming this is our open thread? If so:

    https://twitter.com/TeaPainUSA/status/877628181825687554

  • jesterpunk

    https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/06/utility-that-says-comcast-didnt-pay-bills-threatens-to-pull-wires-off-poles/

    Comcast says its bill was doubled in 2015 when the electric co-op said
    it “discovered previously un-billed pole attachments,” according to
    WREG. Comcast says that it “asked for evidence supporting the discovery
    [in 2015], but it was not provided until June 2017,” the WREG report
    said.

    That is funny Comcast complaining someone doubled their bill.

    • Jennifer R

      I could see Comcast just illegally jacking into lines.

      • jesterpunk

        If they dont pay the other company is going to take all comcasts lines down. The only thing they could do is hang more in the middle of the night but those would come down the next morning anyway.

      • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

        I prefer not to judge others.

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      “discovered previously un-billed pole attachments,”

      Found yer problem right here.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fd9c6f8fcd82bdbae91f197e27319b4097883e640e3b01eeb2e87a4eae233e9f.jpg

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Hey Comcast, did you try calling their customer service?

      ROFL

      • jesterpunk

        “The 6 month intro price expired”

      • Lord Jim

        Fucking CHECKMATE! Lololol!

  • Rick Hill
    • Martini Ambassador 🍸

      This gets all the upfists.

      • Rick Hill

        Be gentle….

    • Bill D. Burger
    • Lord Jim

      An excellent reply. Probably better than my notion to point out that, regardless of black-on-black crime statistics, police are supposed to PROTECT AND SERVE. Moreover, what about the comparitive likelihood of white people getting gunned down by Officer Friendly? I wonder if the original commenter actually intended to lower the moral bar for police down to criminal-gang-member levels or…just stoopid and racist?

      • BosGrl

        I’m going for ignorant and stupid.

      • Delu

        I’m thinking that Trumpians don’t know what exactly the duty of a police ofice is supposed to be.

        I got some making a lot of excuses for the guy who shot Castille saying that it was ALL CASTILLE’S fault for “acting threateningly” and not the cop’s at all because the poor guy just HAD to shoot to save his life because if he hadn’t he COULD HAVE lost his life (though when he shot, by Yanez’s own admission, Castille had not pulled a gun on him), so it was all SELF DEFENSE (which is only counted AFTER a person has started attacking you).

        They never realize that a cop’s duty is precisely to face such risks to their lives in order to PROTECT the citizens, that INCLUDES criminals, they can’t just kill criminals because they are criminals after all as criminals are still citizens!

        So cops like Yanez clearly have failed in their duty, but Trumpians who defend them dno’t seem to know nor care.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    This goes out to the insipid NPR political analyst who kept babbling tonight about how GA-6 shows that Dems have no message, no hope for 2018, yadda yadda yadda:

    https://twitter.com/EricBoehlert/status/877625722864418816

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      “If we lick Trump’s ass enough, maybe he won’t cut our funding.”

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        BINGO- the Andy Lack/Jeff Zucker strategy

      • WomanInThePersistence

        Stupidest thing ever. Have these people even done basic research on Drumpf?

      • OutOfOrbit

        That. Plus they started down the [Love] Corporate with Bush 43’s changes to PBS rules — soliciting funding.

    • Rick Hill

      That’s going to be the subtext of everything for the next year. Deligitimize early, delegitimize often

  • chascates
    • Delu

      I’m not sure any of them know WHAT they won in Georgia.

      When they win, we always find out they don’t have a plan for what comes after. Is power all they are interested in?

      I believe yes.

  • OneYieldRegular

    Excellent work, GOP. It only took you ninety-five years to catch up with Democrats on sending a woman from Georgia to serve in the U.S. legislature (even if Felton was a white supremacist).

    And Jesus, Donny Jr., just how lazy does one have to be not to have at least a glance at Wikipedia before twattering to the universe?

    • BosGrl

      Reading is for poors, pffft.

  • Bill D. Burger

    Just made me laugh:
    Some things are timeless…..or “Ohhhh! I thought it was just gas…but it was more.”

    https://i.redditmedia.com/9iIay2aZhVbYqmcyC6yVKbqgyrtonOg0t6fTN94dqq8.jpg?w=667&s=bfcba24a75b28f7c84730c4f0e49b13e

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    BTW, bros, who do you have who is stronger? Some dude no one has ever heard of?

    https://twitter.com/AlGiordano/status/877664691451027460

    https://twitter.com/TeamPelosi/status/877657774938873856

  • Steve King is on the pirate news feed i picked on youtube. I am about ready to hurl my laptop at his shiny, rascist head

  • Joe Beese

    The nymag.com home page currently has what may be the single most irritating web ad in the medium’s history.

    To promote some TV series based on Stephen Kings “The Mist”, a second or so after you load the page, a “mist” starts to fog up the entire page. If you click on anything, it takes you to – I assume – a page about the show. (uBlock won’t even load it.) You have to wait for the “mist” to subside before you can use the page at all.

    So in summary: Fuck you, producers of “The Mist” TV show, and fuck you, New York magazine.

    • Jennifer R

      He has been milking that short story for like 30 damn years. It made an ok video game back when they were text parsers, but come on.

    • chascates

      I recall a decade or more back someone came up with an ad that moved around your screen for a while before it stopped long enough for you to click the X to make it go away. That only lasted about a week.

    • wait! what?

      I clicked on the ad but didn’t get misted :( I likef the last one with Thomas Jane; the ending was perfect.

  • Rick Hill

    The only reason it doesn’t appear Democrats have a message(other than the fact that the LLWM is ignoring it) is because the right is attacking and dismantling all the things, right now. It’s hard to even remember to bash the christians so we can get our Soros bucks
    https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a6VmDjN_700b.jpg

  • Delu

    But no living wage.

    • Paperless Tiger

      Slave state.

  • jesterpunk

    I was reading a Rise Against interview and they said some so called fans emailed and told them in person they lost a fan because they are criticizing Trump…Their reply was “Have you ever actually listened to our music? We have always been political”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHiqGqoIGII

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP4clbHc4Xg

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Sure they were really broken up about losing that particular “fan”.

      • jesterpunk

        Oh yeah they seemed really upset about losing those Trump supporters.

        • Blackest Noobs

          i dunno it’s weird..like Speaker Ryan said his fav band was Rage Against the Machine….it’s like wtf….right? cuz Rage was nothing but IN YO FACE P O L I T I C A L.

          but that Very White Ryan just went for the beats but not the meat of those songs. most of ’em are everything he is against..so again weird…he’s a weird dude.

          i betcha there is even probably a Trump supporter who is a fan of Fugazi….again weird….but conservatives are just really weird.

          listen there are apolitical bands that i love ( and only learn later how fucking my apolitical band WERE political…i.e. HotSnakes..damn son…those lyrics…power…sorry wrong tangent) but i dunno but with me i want my music to sound good and if they’re sprouting a political view, i rather hear a liberal bent one over a NaziSSGrandWizardKKK one.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Ryan couldn’t name a single fucking song they did. He was just looking for cheap “hip” street cred.

          • Blackest Noobs

            oooh that’s so much worse. my thing is everyone is a noob when it’s something they didn’t know. like i never heard of JetsToBrazil til way too late ( to see them live) and I LOVE THEM. but it doesn’t make me a poseur.

            Ryan…not being able to list off his fav songs of his fav band? WHAT?

            textbook definition of a poseur. a picture of Paul Ryan next to the etymology.

            nothing i hate MORE than bearing false witness especially if the stuff you lie is meant to elevate you in the opinions of the weak-minded.

            Trump is another poseur too…in everything. poseur business man. poseur Republican. poseur Christian. poseur Human Being.

    • Jamoche

      https://www.inverse.com/article/32570-science-fiction-resistance-john-scalzi-charlie-jane-anders-book-con

      “People will visit my website or Twitter feed where apparently I have political opinions,” said Scalzi. “Then I get the sorrowful email that says, ‘I thought I was coming to you for entertainment, but you’re telling me how to think and regretfully I must not read your books anymore.’ They’re expecting me to say something like, ‘No, don’t leave.’ They’re not expecting the email I actually send, which is ‘Dear whomever: kiss my ass.”

    • h4rr4r

      This is like Paul Ryan liking Rage. It makes no fucking sense.

      • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

        That’s such Bullshit. You know Ryan or his handlers picked the name off of a list, cos ZEGS Ryan would blow a gasket if he heard “Bullet in the Head”.

        • Ω cynmac will never surrender

          “Bulls on Parade” ~ omg, the cusses!

          • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

            Yeah. xD I love RATM, I’ve been a fan since the mid-90s. You *know* Paul Ryan hadn’t heard any of theirs before he said that.

        • h4rr4r

          I wonder how he feels about their rather famous NWA cover.

    • cmd resistor

      I am somewhat of an old but I think I saw these guys at some music festival I went to with teenage kid when he was too young to drive so would put up with being seen with me. I was pleasantly surprised as the music was not always my cup of tea.

  • La forza del resistino

    OJ Simpson is up for a parole hearing in July. Asks his lawyer to bring along some really small gloves.

    • Joe Beese

      A little of the old OJ charm and he’ll be on the street in no time.

      • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

        1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?

    • Ω cynmac will never surrender

      Yep, due for release in December. I hope they find a reason to keep him inside.
      Hey, Hey, Hey.

  • Rick Hill
  • janecita

    I’m watching Marcella on Netflix. I really want to strangle her husband, what an asshole!

  • Three Finger Salute

    Adding insult to fatal injury. Fuck you, whoever did this. Just so much fuck you.

    Memorial for slain Muslim teen Nabra Hassanen is set on fire in D.C.

    • tehbaddr

      Fanta Hitler was right! His presidency is The Best! So good! I’m Not Gonna believe it! Trust him folks!

      Every knuckle dragging fascist has now been emboldened by his vitriol.

    • Ω cynmac will never surrender

      They caught. St00pid white boy from SC, like the Cosmic Ping Pong shooter.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    Coolest. Beer. Ever. Super-awesome Wonkette operative NastyBossetti shared this with me earlier. It’s the only thing that’s made me smile for the past 3 days. *take THAT, msanthropesmr!* https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9b268ab5310c757ed76e880e9cc51ffccfd17e3bad5caae3577a3cdd48877ace.jpg

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Too cool!

    • CindyinEncinitas

      Oh dear…

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Better get some before I buy it all up.

        • CindyinEncinitas

          You’re on!

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          save me one!

          • CindyinEncinitas

            I can’t wait to try it. If Zoni Boy leaves me any…

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            He lives a couple miles from me- I’ll let you know how it tastes, lol

          • CindyinEncinitas

            Oh snap! Two Zoni Boys! I forgotted!

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            We’re taking over the world. You’re doomed.

          • CindyinEncinitas

            I’m cornered! I’ll surrender for beer…

    • tehbaddr

      Remember kids: Drink your school, stay in drugs, and don’t do milk!

    • janecita

      You definitely have to buy it!

    • Courser_Resistance

      Oh, I love Stone Brewery’s stuff!

      • Ω cynmac will never surrender

        They have a yummy porter that I love.

        • Courser_Resistance

          Their Smoked Porter? Oh hell yeah, that’s my favorite, too.

    • Le Covfefe Royal

      That does it. I’m heading down to Escondido.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Meet you there?

  • Alexander Stallwitz
    • Courser_Resistance

      Bwahhahahahah! Bet they don’t sneak in and take pics of Dudebros digs.

      Please, rock on Sen Harris.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson
  • La forza del resistino

    GOP cuts to Medicaid that will affect senior’s nursing home support $ will be offset with travel vouchers to the nearest Arctic ice floe ride.

  • Bill D. Burger

    I know cops can be very dirty, we’ve had too many examples lately, but the majority just want to do their jobs well and go home at the end of the day. I want to believe that.
    In any case, calling him names and asking, “Don’t you know who I am?” and then kneeing a policeman in the nads, universally, is probably not going to work out well for you.
    (Someone said this was Romania ? Don’ know. But apparently the fellow was a pol wannabe’ and the son of a local official.)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4-cu7-oCJA

    • Ωbjectifier

      Pfft. Murikan cops would issue a proper beatdown.

      • Bill D. Burger

        I’m thinkin’ maybe 4 rounds from his revolver?

        • Ωbjectifier

          Then the after party at the jail.

        • jesterpunk

          It’s 7 rounds for thinking you smell weed, so a knee to the nuts should be 50 some rounds unless your white then it’s a night in jail.

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      For fuck’s sake with the screaming. What did she expect? He kneed someone in the groin.

  • Ilgattomorte

    You can see by Jr’s tweet that he’s still hung up on the 2016 election. After all, his father won the presidency and nobody noted the groundbreaking achievement. Donald Trump became our first total douchebag president.

    He broke the latex ceiling and no one said a word. Trump proved he had the vinegar (and the water) to break through the bowels of Washington and succeed, leaving a mark on history that unfortunately evaporates as time marches on. The media ignored the thorough dousing he gave his opponent, and the fact that he did it all by working his way into DC’s cracks and crannies. You could say his victory was a deep dip into the canals of posterity.

    … and yet, no one mentioned it.

  • Picabo
  • BMW

    Remember how Republicans tried to crow about Sarah Palin was the first woman nominated for VP in 24 years (as if the Democrats were being sexist for not nominating a woman for 24 years when they hadn’t nominated one, ever)?

  • chascates

    Right-wing pastor Rick Joyner posted a video on his Facebook page today declaring that God intervened to save America by electing Donald Trump because He knew that a Hillary Clinton presidency would have been the fruition of the satanic effort to destroy this nation.

    Joyner said that there is an insane poisonous rage running through those who oppose Trump because they know that Satan’s agenda has been thwarted by God.

    “Believe it or not, evil was trying to take over our country,” he said. “It was the most systematic and blatant attempt to pervert our nation, to destroy our nation. I think it was a satanic attempt and it was working until Trump was elected.”

    “I don’t think we would have survived a Hillary Clinton [presidency], even a first term,” Joyner added. “I think we would have, probably at best, fallen to third-world status with an unbelievable economic catastrophe, many other things. We would have imploded. Instead, absolutely to everybody’s shock, things were turned around. I do believe it was a miracle of God; it took a miracle of God. He just said He’s not going to let us be destroyed like that and, yes, Donald Trump is turning things around.”

    Joyner predicted that “by the end of Trump’s presidency, he will be considered one of the greatest presidents we’ve had since the Founders” and that the vast majority of Americans will rally around him once they begin to realize that he is “truly one of the [most] remarkable presidents we’ve ever had.”

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      Yeah, well Satan promised I could eat all the pizza I want without gaining weight. That and civil rights.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        Satan? Hey he promised me that little demons would come and do the housework, including mopping. And legal control over my own damn body.

        I’m beginning to think he may have lied.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Rick Joyner is a idiot. It was clearly Ba’al’s will that was thwarted.

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      “”Joyner predicted that “by the end of Trump’s presidency, he will be considered one of the greatest presidents we’ve had since the Founders” and that the vast majority of Americans will rally around him once they begin to realize that he is “truly one of the [most] remarkable presidents we’ve ever had.””

      I’ll take that bet.

      • Lord Jim

        That’s some fucking pharmaceutical-grade derp right there.

    • Bananas Foster

      Apparently God speaks Russian these days.

    • TJ Barke

      God these people are stupid.

    • alpacapunchbowl
    • Three Finger Salute

      If your god exists, and Trump was elected in his image, then your god is a selfish, racist, misogynist prick. Go ahead and smite me, asshole. Go stick your bloody crucifix where the Miracle Glo don’t shine.

    • Lord Jim

      As a Christian, may I say that Rick Joyner is a complete fucktard, crazier than hell, and wouldn’t know the Gospel from a gasper?

      • WomanInThePersistence

        Yes you may. And I hope you say so frequently. Not just here, but irl.

        • Lord Jim

          I do. It ain’t real popular down here. My church just lost a liberal pastor (who did not poiticize or let the true extent of his liberal views blare from the pulpit) to a small cadre of moneyed Trump-humpers. Being even a moderately liberal Christian in my neck of the woods is like being a Democrat in most areas of Georgia or Texas.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            I am not a believer, but my outlook on life was heavily formed by Christianity. There is much beauty in the teachings. I wish you the best.

            “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
            for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

            Blessed are they who mourn,
            for they shall be comforted.

            Blessed are the meek,
            for they shall inherit the earth.

            Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
            for they shall be satisfied.

            Blessed are the merciful,
            for they shall obtain mercy.

            Blessed are the pure of heart,
            for they shall see God.

            Blessed are the peacemakers,
            for they shall be called children of God.

            Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
            for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”

    • It’s a good thing Dampnut has both of his Cornithians save him, ’cause he’s such a damn good christian, y’know.

  • WomanInThePersistence

    So I wandered around some of the other threads. My goodness what a lot of guests.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      We have trolls? Which threads?

      • WomanInThePersistence

        All deleted, from what I can tell.

        • Resistance Fighter Callyson

          Dammit, I’m almost always late to the troll party.

          • jesterpunk

            They where a boring troll and didnt make much sense anyway. But they also posted on infowars too so that is a little redundant.

          • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

            This ‘un was boring.

          • me too. i had some banter with one earlier.

            he was tedious.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson
  • I am watching Chris right now, and apologies to Dept. Of Space Tacos, but nearly every person on Tv from TX sounds dumber than Pauly Shore in Encino Man. Pete Burgess is so brain dead…

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      but the debt!

      so why are you taking that 800 billion cut from Medicaid and instead of paying down the debt, giving it to rich people as tax cuts?

      SQUIRREL!

      • Squirrel with significant sanity issues!

        • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

          That squirrel is nuttier than a squirrel turd.

      • BosGrl

        If you are a rich person with any kind of conscience you would take that money and endow some underfunded clinic of your choice.

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      well, I appreciate your thinking of me.

      Just remember, it’s a big state – and the noisiest, loudest assholes get the attention.

      • I thought it was the biggest hair?

        • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

          naw, that’s jersey (from what I hear).

          • I dunno. Y’all be crazy from the view on the outside

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            eh, again, small portion of us.
            Most are very friendly, very warm. Maybe it’s cause I”m a white dude, but I love my fellow texans. (Most of them). Shit even the biggest, most tatted up, looking chicano dudes down my way are nice.

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      Burgess was caught when Chris asked him if it’s about the deficit then why the tax cuts.

      • Meccalopolis

        Great deer in headlights moment

    • janecita

      I agree, main reason why I can’t stand Matthew Mcconaughey.

      • Three Finger Salute

        suttin’ suttin’ Abraham Lincoln’s SUV and a stream-of-consciousness acid trip drivin’ out on this heah highway talkin’ to mahself about suttin’ or othah goin’ on an’ on’ with nun ah that puncheeation like commas an’ pauses an’ phrases an’ clauses ‘cuz I sumtimes kinda wunder ’bout y’all conjunction junction and what is its real function…

        awright awright awright

        • janecita

          I truly CAN’T stand him! Those commercials are God awful.

        • Meccalopolis

          I like him but that is spot on

          • Ω cynmac will never surrender

            Just missing “alright, alright, alright”.

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      It has gotten to the point over the past year or so that when I hear somebody with any kind of Texas or southern accent, I want to through something very big and heavy through the nearest available window.

      Hey, at least I can admit that I have a problem!

      • WomanInThePersistence

        I find Trae Crowder a helpful remedy. #notallsouthernpeople.

        https://youtu.be/XOcVk6WRUaM

        And I am a born and bred Oregonian.

      • Ω cynmac will never surrender

        Ah hope we nevah talk in person than!

    • chascates

      Always think of the voice of Molly Ivins, Ann Richards, etc.

  • Zippy W Pinhead
    • Bill D. Burger

      “Here are a few more crumbs so you won’t die quite so quickly.”

      • Lord Jim

        “Because we enjoy witnessing your prolonged suffering.”

        • Three Finger Salute

          So THAT’S why we’ll never get the Soylent Green clinics.

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      Okay, so it basically appeals to no one and looks like some sort of shambling abomination. Nice.

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        Zombie libelz

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        kills PP, kills 23 million, just a little slower and has almost all the tax cuts

        • Lord Jim

          I remember yesterday hearing some doofus on CNN asking a D senator “If you don’t know what’s in the bill, how do you know it’s so awful?” Fuck, idk, maybe the fact that they’re treating it like sensitive compartmented information? If it WASN’T awful, why in Crom’s name wouldn’t they want to show it to everybody in the country?

          Is our Beltway Bobbleheads learnin’?

        • Three Finger Salute

          Death by a thousand tax cuts.

  • PROTIP: Donald Trump Jr. will sound smarter if you put on headphones and crank up the jamz.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2fa3d93a9aba7bf475bd11428effe91d96a05ddcb65ab4c5f1354aac779328e8.jpg

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Philosopher’s tip: Donald Trump Jr. would sound smarter if he STFU.

      But he won’t. Therefore, jamz!

      • JDM

        Jamz?

        “They called me up in Tennessee
        They said “Tammy, stand by the JAMs”
        But if you don’t like what they’re going to do,
        You better not stop them ’cause they’re coming through…”

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson
    • WomanInThePersistence

      Bless him.

    • alpacapunchbowl

      Can we have him back?

      • SeeTrain65

        “I won’t scream this time. Promise.”

        • BosGrl

          I still don’t understand why that was such a big deal.

        • alpacapunchbowl

          Shit, he can hoot and holler all he wants, just get us back some seats!

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      We do new a neo-50 state strategy.

    • janecita

      He needs to come back, his 50 state initiative actually worked.

      • Three Finger Salute

        How come YEEEEEEEAH supposedly ruined the campaign of an educated man of science, but “grab ’em by the pussy” carried a total moron all the way to the White House?

        • janecita

          Because we are dumbasses.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            “We”?

          • janecita

            Yes, “we,” the voters in the primaries that didn’t vote for him.

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    Ouch, Trump’s little buddy and sammich fetcher is even more unpopular than he is:
    “Last month, a Quinnipiac University poll found that only 18 percent of New Jersey voters approve of Governor Chris Christie. Somehow, that was an improvement over the 17 percent approval rating he got in February. But then last week his approval rating dipped to its lowest level yet, with only 15 percent of voters giving him a thumbs up, making Christie the least popular governor in any state for at least 20 years.”

    • janecita

      I think that I might know the 15% that still approve of him:-(

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        I can’t believe he’s actually MORE unpopular than Trump. That takes a special piece of shit to be able to accomplish that feat.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          He has a very special talent indeed.

          • JDM

            He’s terrific at picking up fast food for you. Well, for Trump. He’d probably eat your half your fries before they got to you. (Wonder how much spit Trump’s eats had on them by the time Christie turned them over.)

        • janecita

          The kind of special piece of shit that cuts funding to schools, libraries, Planned Parenthood. Vetoes the legalization of marijuana, vetoes new wind mills, and a new fast train project. He is also perfectly fine with minors getting married, because even now, he is still kissing up to the religious right.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            In short, a template for the Republican party.

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Nobody likes Governor Cameltoe. Sad trombones. Eat another carton of doughnuts.

  • Michael R

    Mormon girl ( age 12 ) has mic cut at church as she comes out as gay

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xupe6gRZXk

    • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

      You *GO* Girl! :)

      I despise the LDS Church. My first Girlfriend after I Came Out was an Ex-Mormon, and her fam still got in the damned way.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      The tie was my first clue that she’s a little dyke. Just kidding, if I was forty five years younger, I’d be asking her out on a date.

    • BosGrl

      I love her. Shame on them. I hope her parents support her at least.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    One last one before I head off for now:

    https://twitter.com/JamesPMorrison/status/877679668727382016

    • Bananas Foster

      That’s a really fucking good point.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        Btw, are you new here? If so, welcome!

        • Bananas Foster

          Thanks!

          • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

            Indeed! Glad you’ve joined us. :)

  • WomanInThePersistence

    So have we gone full on Open Thread?

    https://youtu.be/Tm55ppOFuUw

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      One of my all time faves.

  • Bill D. Burger

    Poor guy. The epic “KILL___ME___NOW!” stare:
    His expression says it all: “Holy mother of god, my life is over. This is it___ahead is the void …..and no sleep and screaming children and dirty diapers…..and a wife repeating, ‘Don’t EVER come near me with that thing again.’ ”

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6f71ef171d574b49151ee2f9a843b34264af8109046c7438b449a56d8358f957.jpg

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      That’s an example of the One Thousand Trump Stare, there.

      • WY_cryptid

        Are they sitting or is it a medical team of giants?

    • janecita

      They look so young! Fundie much?

    • Red Bird Ω

      fertility treatment?

      • Ω cynmac will never surrender

        Vasectomy?

        • Red Bird Ω

          Maybe their uber-quiverfulls.

    • i detest children. this is a true fact. i’m totally the evil lady in chitty chitty bang bang. that picture terrifies me.

  • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

    Shut the fuck up, yunoir. You don’t want me to vote you over the head with this nice lead-glass glass of cognac again, right? (After, I finish the contents of course.)

    Fucking douchekazoo.

  • I don’t know, I’m less annoyed with Trump, who I expect wrongness and badness from, than I am with the bros yelling about how it’s all Nancy Pelosi’s fault and she needs to go.

    • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

      *nods* I been hearing shit about Pelosi since Obama’s first term. I’m sick of it.

      • Ω cynmac will never surrender

        H8ers gotta h8.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      The Bros are a very special type of asshole.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      it’s more of that misogyny from the bros that Bernie is unwilling to do fuckall about

      • It just pisses me right the fuck off. What do they think it says to the women in the party — like all the women that were out there knocking doors for Ossof, or all the women who have been making calls and sending letters and marching and so on for months now (and also, since forever) when their first reaction to anything is “crucify the female leaders”? Fuckers.

        • Three Finger Salute

          Meanwhile, the gloating cons are probably saying “some feminists they are, they only voted for him cuz they thought he was cute” and the bros will say “like they voted for that Wall Street warmonger piece of crap Obama cuz they wanted his D”. Yeah, sex appeal is a thing, and it’s fun, but it’s not the only reason we vote — seriously, can both camps stop diminishing a woman’s vote to what’s between her legs? Because it doesn’t sound like either camp has much substance between their… ears.

        • Claire

          They think it says “Stay home and let the men be the bosses, because then everything will be right with the world.” So they’re basically Republicans who want the tax cuts to reach a little farther down the pay scale.

      • Ω cynmac will never surrender

        At this point, and at earlier points, I don’t think he could do anything about it. Of all peoples, white boys were/are the least prepared for Modern Times. I could see that brewing among my kids’ classmates.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      I’ve come to expect wrongness and badness from the bros.

      • Ω cynmac will never surrender

        They do not disappoint there , do they?

    • Claire

      Nancy Pelosi has done many a thing that I side-eye, but it is manifestly idiotic to think that if she retired tomorrow the right-wing wouldn’t just find a new Great Satan to scream about. So manifestly idiotic, in fact, that the bros are fooling no one by pretending that getting rid of her will solve anything.

      We see you, bros. Your kind always think you’re being sly and Machiavellian when you’re just tattooing your gross misogyny on your forehead so people can throw drinks in your faces at bars.

      • I find it weird that they are always ready to sacrifice the ones the right screams about.
        One would think that, maybe, they’d rally behind the people pissing off the right so much?

        • Claire

          You’d think, but it looks to me like the left has utterly ceded the narrative to the right at this point. Like our only response to right-wing nonsense is “Let’s concede that this is true and try to find a middle ground from there.”

          It strikes me as being the same phenomenon that makes Democrats chase after right-wing rural white votes as if we needed their permission to do anything.

  • Everrett Fanuelli

    We still in agreement that we’re reaching the end?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1ThxWzkELk

  • Rachel Book Harlot
  • Bananas Foster

    Junior just seems like the kind of guy who got so drunk in college that he wet the bed.

    And then bragged about it the next day.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Golden waterbed?

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    And speaking of “Jr.”, this is Drublic Jr. today at a giraffe sanctuary outside of Nairobi, Kenya. He is there with his https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9506f5063bce3001d7dd7d6239383c2122da8ff20a837c48f9467493fb4d6938.jpg mother, traveling to places and meeting friends from her time as a Peace Corp volunteer many years ago. I wouldn’t ordinarily share a photo like this but for the comparison. FUCK Donnie Dimwit Jr… animal murdering racist piece of shit.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Be very proud of the young man you raised. That’s awesome.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        I’d like to think this is the way a decent young man sees Africa…not on a trip to kill magnificent beasts and cut off their tails for trophies.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          He is clearly a very nice young man.

    • Bananas Foster

      Cute! The giraffe ain’t bad either.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Ooh! Is his name CM Punk in Drublic? 😎 ‘Cause that fella is quite a dish, if I do say so myself. Look at that gal there, she’s literally eating out of his hands 😊

    • Much respect to you and yours, friend.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Thank you.

    • janecita

      That’s a great picture. What a great adventure for your son and his mom to have together!

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        It is. Their relationship has had it’s difficulties, but I’m really proud of him for taking this opportunity with her.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          Very cool. For all of you.

    • Blackest Noobs

      not cuz we are, but here’s just another for the Junior roll….
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwa3DO5_irM

    • Ok, now I see a lil of the appeal of the man bun.
      Not to be cougerish but you did good, drublic.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Thanks. He’s pretty hip, but not actually a hipster at all…if that helps.

        • I just wanted to snicker some at the man bun, but found I could not, because he is adorables.
          muttergrumble. Do you got any yelling at a babby or kicking a puppy man bun pics to help me out?

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            There’s nothing hipsters won’t do for a Pabst Blue Ribbon and a cell phone photo.

          • One of my co workers, a young lady immigrant from Russia no less, is totes in love with the hipsters. She ADORES dudes in man buns and the whole nine.
            So other co worker, who is sweet on the pretty A Lady, is a tall dark fellow with some seriously gorgeous dreads. He had me try and put them in a man bun for him once XD
            It was too cute for words

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Dreads…man bun. At some point, you gotta commit!

          • I told him I prefer the dreads by a whole lot.
            Though there is a dude at the grocery store with dreads that brings just some back, but it is not stupid looking, sorta reminiscent of like the old warrior type looks. It’s fierce.
            I like guys with long hair, ok

  • WomanInThePersistence

    For no reason whatsoever, except I had to be at work at 4am and I’m tired and need something very happy.

    https://youtu.be/ln3wAdRAim4

    • Three Finger Salute

      Who is the woman in the middle with the Yankees hat?

      • Ω cynmac will never surrender

        Missy Elliott, whose song they are lip syncing.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPoKiGQzbSQ

        • Three Finger Salute

          Thanks. I’m not up on a lot of the modern music the kids on my lawn are listening to today.

          • The song they’re doing was popular before W was president

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Me neither. But they introduced her. And doesn’t she look like she’s having the time of her life?

          • Ω cynmac will never surrender

            This is not modern. It’s Last Millennium, from when my kids were in HS (grads 2007 and 2009). But I know what you mean…

          • alpacapunchbowl

            It was THE song of the summer in 2001. Was in Chicago anyway.
            Ahh, memories.

      • Red Bird Ω

        Really?

        • Three Finger Salute

          Cynmac let me know who she was. I’m more of a Journey/Styx/Meat Loaf in-the-car karaoke person who’s not hip to the modern swing at the groovy happenings. But I recognized James Corden and of course Michelle Obama, so… two out of three ain’t bad?

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Sweet Jesus on a breadstick, you like….Journey? Really? And I say this as somebody who had to listen to Journey at every high school dance. I think very highly of you, but I loooooaaaathe Journey. Faithfully.

          • janecita

            Hold my beer, my husband likes Nickelback.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            This will be controversial, but I’m not afraid to take a stand. Nickelback is nowhere near as awful as Journey.

          • Ω cynmac will never surrender

            Flip a coin. But no one sucks as bad as Train.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            REO Speedwagon libelz!

          • Claire

            Ooh! I like Meet Virginia.

            Of course, that’s the only song of theirs I’ve ever heard. My sample might be incomplete.

          • I like that song too, had no idea that was a band name XD

          • Ω cynmac will never surrender

            I liked that one song too. Now imagine that every song sounds like that one, and you will begin to understand the suckitude.

          • Meet Alabama was good……

          • Claire

            I once heard a mashup of two Nickelback songs that basically proved that they were the same song, just at a slightly different tempo. I imagine Train is sort of like that.

          • Pisto75666

            I’ll up the controversial sweepstakes but, I’ll admit I’m a fan of both Journey AND Nickelback (Though eing a Journey fan wasn’t really my own doing. My dad was also and he converted me.)

          • I like U2.
            Like a whole lot might be my favorite band ever if one counts such by how many songs of theirs you like.

          • Pisto75666

            I LOVE U2. I was too young to really get into them back in the 80’s (Despite “I Still Haven’t Found What I’m Looking For” being one of the only 3 videos MTV played back then) but I really became a fan during their Elevation run in 2001/

          • WomanInThePersistence

            We are a broad church here. I promise only to snicker at you offline. :)

          • Pisto75666

            Thank you for your kindness :D

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Always. :)

          • CindyinEncinitas

            OMG thank you!

          • WomanInThePersistence

            I knew you were one of my people.

          • SkinlessGenderlessMan

            Your last sentence…. All the upfists!!

          • Red Bird Ω

            Funny. No everyone like hip hop. But I thought everyone has seen Missy Elliot.

          • I have not seen Missy Elliot, I do not think.

          • Ω cynmac will never surrender

            Video posted below.

          • I do know that song though. Yay! I am not entirely hopeless!

          • Red Bird Ω

            She’s under your bed.

    • Ω cynmac will never surrender

      Now, imagine Melanoma doing the same thing, with the same joy. Nope, see you can’t, can you?

      • WomanInThePersistence

        Sweet god/dess, I miss the Obamas sooooooooooohhhhh much.

      • Blackest Noobs

        well it’s because Melania has so few “real” joys in her life. sad for her but still her choice.

      • Covfefe

        Joy. One is married to Barry; the other is married to Donnie Two Scoops.

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      The coolest FLOTUS we’ve ever had.

    • Claire

      The look my cat just gave me for chair-dancing along with Michelle and Beyonce.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        Arms and the legs!

  • empf

    And yet they complain about identity politics and snowflakes… *Sigh*

  • chascates

    The chain:

    As reported on FreeRepublic:
    FBI: Virginia Gunman Visited Bernie Sanders’ Office Prior to Shooting (report from Sean Hannity)

    On Sean Hannity’s site:
    Prior to the mass shooting, Hodgkinson visited the senate office of democrat Bernie Sanders, whose failed presidential campaign the gunman had volunteered for. The FBI also said the shooter had been in contact with the offices of democratic senators Dick Durbin and Tammy Duckworth. (report from AP)

    On AP site:
    (9th paragraph) In March, Hodgkinson left Illinois and drove to Alexandria, Virginia, where he lived in his van in a YMCA parking lot. He rented out a storage unit where he kept more than 200 rounds of ammunition, among other belongings. He had two laptop computers, a cellphone and a digital camera. The FBI has not finished scouring those devices for evidence, Slater said.
    In April, Hogkinson made the tourist rounds in Washington, visiting monuments, museums, the U.S. Capitol and the Dirksen Senate Office Building and taking pictures, the FBI said. He also took pictures of the baseball field where he would later fire more than 60 shots.
    “The FBI does not believe that these photographs represented surveillance of intended targets,” the FBI said in a statement.
    Hodgkinson also visited the office of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, whose campaign he had worked on as a volunteer, and was in email contact with the two Democratic senators from his home state.

    So in the AP report he visited Sanders’ office in April but the others made it sound like it might have been the day or week before the shooting. As the 64 comments by the Freepers make clear Bernie probably brainwashed him or paid him off.

    • Left Coast Tom

      Day…week…month…multiple months…who can even keep track.

      • chascates

        Simplified: Commie Sanders brainwashes kook > kook shoots patriots.

      • Ω cynmac will never surrender

        Democratic Time Machine Strikes Again!

    • Me not sure

      Bernie is a veritable Dr. Mesmer.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      had been in contact with the offices of democratic senators Dick Durbin and Tammy Duckworth.

      IOW wrote them crank letters a couple times that some staffer summarily shitcanned

    • janecita

      Lies like these ones, are what made some psycho, right wing asshole kill Dr. Tiller.

    • Pisto75666

      “He also took pictures of the baseball field where he would later fire more than 60 shots.
      “The FBI does not believe that these photographs represented surveillance of intended targets,” the FBI said in a statement.”

      It may just be me but, if the pictures this guy took OF the baseball field where he fired off a lot of shots weren’t representative of intended targets, then what was the point? I doubt he just liked baseball fields.

  • Me not sure

    Actually, Georgia sent the first woman ever to serve in the US Senate. Her name was Rebbeca Latimer Felton. Her story makes a fascinating read. Google her. Handel is the only house member to be sent from GA.

  • Bill D. Burger

    Oh Susannah! ___ Actor Dan Stevens (remember him from Downton Abbey?…and …Legion of late, and Beauty and the Beast.) reaction is great as is the off screen cameraman.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZe777oON8w

    Well….it is Hollywood. He wouldn’t be the first.

    • I’ve seen the movie this interview is about, it’s great!

      • Bill D. Burger

        “The Guest”….I’ll have to find it.

        I like him in ‘Legion.’

        • It’s the writer/director team that did the Blair Witch sequel/reboot last year. Their other movie, You’re Next, is like Home Alone, but with actual consequences

      • Thiazin Red

        It is.

    • Bananas Foster

      He’s so red. It’s so cute.

  • Rachel Book Harlot

    Warning: this is horrible. I have no words. That poor baby. When she says, “I wish this town was safer” it makes me weep. I can’t believe there will be no justice for this family.

    https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/877579110041743360

    https://twitter.com/TheAnonJournal/status/877545488282779649

    • Oh, my god, that poor baby.

      • Rachel Book Harlot

        It’s unbelievable. It’s beyond words horrible.

    • Wild Cat

      It might be time to boycott Hollywood (and TV)—so fucking tired of “hero” cops.

  • Rick Hill
  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    Sorry, rural, white people, you’ve been TRUMPED!

    “During the worst year of the HIV/AIDS crisis, 43,000 Americans lost their lives to the virus. In 2015, 52,000 died of a drug overdose. Never in recorded history had opioids killed so many Americans in a single year; the drug-induced death toll was so staggering, it helped reduce life expectancy in the United States for the first time since 1993.

    The GOP has a talent for ignoring the despair of the dis-empowered. But the opioid epidemic concentrated its suffering in white, rural communities that tend to vote Republican. And so, GOP candidates spent much of 2016 decrying Washington’s insufficient efforts to curb the crisis, and promising to do more to help, if voters would only put them in power.

    The pitch worked. Donald Trump won the presidency (in no small part) by outperforming expectations in regions devastated by opioids. Republicans won competitive Senate races in some of the country’s hardest-hit states. And all across America, rural districts hurt by the epidemic returned GOP incumbents to their House seats.

    The Republican Party then promptly used its unified control of government to push a health-care bill that cuts one of the nation’s top funding sources for addiction treatment by $834 billion.”

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/06/gop-moderates-gutting-medicaid-may-not-solve-opioid-crisis.html

    • akryan

      if only there had been a candidate that laid out a detailed plan about how to address and fight the opioid epidemic.

    • Michael R

      The cuts they are making will have hundreds of consequences that everyone will pay for one way or another .

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        But, there’s a silver lining – rich people will same some money! I wish you libtard snowflakes would stop being so myopic and selfish. You guys are real downers.

      • Ω cynmac will never surrender

        What’s worse is that most of the deaths are categorized as “indigent” and many communities can’t afford to bury their dead.

    • chascates

      I just wonder if Trump’s voters will blame him for the loss of their benefits, healthcare, etc., or if ‘it’s all the Democrats fault’ will still cloud their minds?

      Texas hasn’t had a Democrat elected to a state office since Ann Richards but people still blame our state’s woes on ‘them libruls’.

      • Left Coast Tom

        Does Austin being the state’s most economically successful city cause any cognitive dissonance?

        • chascates

          A few days ago Gov. Abbott said that when you leave Austin you finally smell ‘freedom’!!!

          • Left Coast Tom

            No oil wells in Austin, then?

          • chascates

            None, I’m afraid. There is the smell of the great taco trucks although they’re not on every corner.

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            Another promise broken!

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        I think they’re going to own the health care disaster. Republicans keep talking about what a disaster Obamacare is, but the people who have insurance because of Obama, are probably going to notice when Trump and Ryan take it away. At least I hope the idiots manage to notice.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          They won’t take it away. They will simply make it aspirational.

      • Wild Cat

        In NYC, morons used to say the poor got all the breaks.
        You can’t fix stupid—anywhere.

        • shivaskeeper

          But no one would ever want to switch places with them.

      • It will be the liberals.
        Always. Forever. Somehow we’re trying to steal the crumb of the cookie that the Republicans left on the plate.

    • Wild Cat

      I’m all for arresting white opioid abusers like Rush Limbaugh and throwing away the keys.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        If you have money in America you can literally rape or murder anyone and get away with it. There was a Texas millionaire who was TWICE caught on tape, trying to murder his wife, and got off both times.

        • Wild Cat

          Yes. It’s outrageous. And you can be convicted and executed even if you’re PROVEN 100% innocent.
          We’re a nation of sick fucks.

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            I will never forgive Antonin Scalia for saying that it doesn’t matter once you’re sentenced to die, if it’s found out later that you’re not actually guilty. How could a “judge” think that’s at all fair or reasonable?

          • Lord Jim

            That’s been the jurisprudence for years. Process and finality are more important than truth and justice.

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            That’s soooo fucked up. How could any sane person think if someone is sentenced to death, and then new evidence becomes available proving they are innocent, that you wouldn’t let them go immediately with a HUGE fucking apology? That’s beyond sick.

          • Lord Jim

            I read an article long ago by a judge who cited this and statistics about # of black folk v. # of whities death-penaltied as the reason he finally became anti-death-penalty.

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            Yeah, that’s why I became anti death penalty too. There’s no reason to risk killing innocent people.

        • jesterpunk

          He just has a case of affluenza.

      • BosGrl

        They need care, not jail. Even Rush Limbaugh. Addiction is a real mental illness; it is called substance use disorder.

        • Lord Jim

          I construed Wild Cat’s comment as a sardonic way of saying “equal treatment for ALL addicts”, but I’m still glad you said what you did.

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      Trumped, dumped and throughly skunked.

    • jesterpunk

      Yes but they will be happy because liberals will be upset they are dying from preventable things.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Leopards. Faces.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        But…but…I didn’t think the leopards would eat my face!

        • Lord Jim

          I was hoping that the leopard would only eat your face.

    • BosGrl

      Interestingly, this didn’t happen in New Hampshire, where they have 2 D Senators and voted for Hillary in November. However, NH has almost no funding for clinics and sober houses. Massachusetts, with our R governor, mandates that all private health plans cover stays in rehab and MassHealth also has coverage.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        Glad to hear Romneycare hasn’t vanished.

        • Everrett Fanuelli

          Trump has ruined my outlook so much that when you mentioned Romneycare I was like, “Mitt Romney! That dude was cool!”

          • WomanInThePersistence

            On a relative scale, he was. As in everything relative and/or related (when an adult) to Trump is reprehensible. Romney was awful, but within normal parameters.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        All fifty states should have funding for mental health and for addiction treatment.

        • BosGrl

          My sister, her friend and I started a nonprofit; we gather donated hygiene products and will be delivering them to Safe Station, which is a Manchester NH Fire Dept program where an addict can get immediate help; all they have to do is walk in. The person get a social worker within, I think, 20 minutes. They walk in with just the clothes on their backs sometimes. My sister and I were thinking about how it would be to be a woman on her period, walking into a fire station, asking for help, with nothing. So we asked our friends to send us pads, tampons and deodorant, and we ended up getting over 7000 items, including shampoo, soap, wet wipes, etc. Safe Station and the sober houses/rehabs it works with in NH get NO funding at all; it is all donations. Safe Station (all the Manchester locations) saw something like 600 people walk in last year. CNN interviewed them; there should be something on the teevee this summer.

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            That’s a great idea!

            Keep me posted on when it’s going to be on CNN.

            I’ve never believed addicts should be punished by being sent to jail. It doesn’t do anyone any good.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Not to mention Jefferson No-Regard declaring an all-out war against the one natural remedy that might actually help them. So much for “pro life”.

      • Everrett Fanuelli

        Sessions is only interested in the blacks so these rural white folks are safe

    • Covfefe

      Your better people in these rural areas have private insurance that covers addiction and such. They don’t need Obamacare and resent the lower class people who do need it. Cutting off health care for the lower classes will help, rather than hurt Republicans.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        I know a buttload of poor Republicans. If it wasn’t for Social Security, they’d be screwed.

    • Red Bird Ω

      I’m getting of hearing this stuff. Pretty soon we’re all going to be hurting together regardless of who we voted for.

      • Well, yeah. That is the trick. When they vote R to stick it to us Libtards, we suffer along with them.
        Pretty sure that is their entire thing.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        Oh, we’re all going to suffer, alright. It’s unfortunate that we all have to suffer since more than half of us did NOT want any of this shit.

    • shivaskeeper

      Some of the smaller cities I work in were devastated by job loss, then heroin, then meth when it got cheaper than heroin, but now most of them are back to heroin.

      Everyone wants to do something about it, but almost no one wants to pay for it. Then the ones who want to pay for it don’t want to do anything about if it will be near their neighborhood.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        Right, it’s always NIMBY.

  • chascates

    Too bad rallies don’t accomplish anything but gratifying a nutjob’s ego.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fa6cbd32e68b3ee402edcd37396c75ca7e32b7acc2c62a82238a5675e5a817dd.jpg

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      What does pmE stand for?

      post-mortem Erection?

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        a stiffie from the stiff

    • janecita

      Is he still campaigning?

      • No. Again. He registered as a candidate for 2020 less than two hours after his stupid speech on Jan 20

        • Rick Hill

          Can’t let that grift train stop

        • mailman27

          Let the fund-raising begin!

        • shivaskeeper

          Some of that was to be able to stop certain non-profits from talking shit about him at the risk of losing non-profit status.

      • chascates

        Rabble rousing is his only native talent.

        • shivaskeeper

          Shit, It’s not even rabble rousing. He’s there to bask in the adulation. The rabble rousing is secondary at best.

      • Everrett Fanuelli

        That’s the only way he can feel successful. By going to rallies.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      It’s nice to see he’s making America great again, by playing golf, cutting health care, and holding campaign rallies for the 2020 election.

      • Bananas Foster

        And name dropping corporations in his tweets.

    • Doug Langley

      Speaking of community colleges, will it make American great again to cut instructor pay even more?

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      And keeping him from shooting his mouth off on Twitter.

    • jesterpunk

      At his rally he promised to give rural areas a lot of government money so they can have internet.

      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-22/trump-pledges-rural-broadband-support-in-infrastructure-package

      Because the free market decided its a waste of money. So now the free market party is rewarding rural areas with even more government money while cutting funding for things that help everyone.

      • Don’t worry, they have no intention of giving rural areas any money for internets.
        They will give more tax breaks to companies to entice them to maybe think about going rural instead

        • jesterpunk

          It worked so well the last time they tried that, what could possibly go wrong.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        Many of us in the reality based community refer to his statement as “a lie”.

      • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

        Like he will do anything for them!

  • AnnieGetYerFun

    If Donnie Jr. knew the first thing about English, he would know that the correct order of words would be “Rep. woman” if talking about a Republican.

  • Rick Hill
    • Wild Cat

      Is that Rasheeda Jones?

      • Bill D. Burger

        From ‘Parks and Recreation’…..I think you’re right.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      the priest was laughing because he only fucks little boys…

      • Wild Cat

        Well, in his defense he was teaching him Greek . . .

    • Bill D. Burger

      https://media.giphy.com/media/NyaWWo427gl8c/giphy.gif

      ___ Next joke:
      (Q) What kind of meat does the Pope eat?

      (A) Nun!

      • therblig

        what’s black and white and can’t turn around?

        a nun in an elevator with a javelin through her head

        • What’s black and white and black and white and black and white and green?
          Three nuns fighting over a cucumber.

    • why are the whites of her eyes teal?

      • mailman27

        For the same reason a door is ajar?

      • shivaskeeper

        Is the dress white or gold?

      • Doug Langley

        “Mrs Teal, you’re not needed.”

      • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

        They are coral like her dress!

  • Covfefe

    My daughter took me on a shopping mission. There was this orange pajama top that he big white block lettering: “UP IS HARD.” In thin white outline above this legend was “waking.”

  • Picabo

    Good night. I leave you with this.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbJcQYVtZMo

  • I know a joke

    Ah, Disqus. Every day you break in new and exotic ways.

  • Left Coast Tom

    In Dawson City, Yukon, someone stole a mummified toe from a bar which used it as a…critical?…ingredient in a cocktail.

    • Bananas Foster

      Margaritoes?
      Martoenis?
      High Ball?

      Oh, wait, that last one is a little different.

      • Left Coast Tom

        Not sure, I’ve been to the Yukon (Whitehorse, Haines Jct, etc) but not to Dawson City (fun fact…while San Francisco and Dawson City both have commercial airports, travel sites cannot turn up any routing between the two). Tombstone Provincial Park is on my “I need to hike there some day” list, so hopefully…

      • Ω cynmac will never surrender

        Moheetoes.

    • janecita

      It was a very good toe.

    • yyyaz

      A zombie?
      Toequila sunrise?
      Mai-toe?

  • I know a joke
    • I know a joke

      (I love me some correctly deployed pedantry)

    • Left Coast Tom

      …and “Paul” is usually spelled without an underscore…

    • Mister Smith

      Reichtards are illiterate.

    • BadKitty904

      What a maroon.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Counting. It’s difficult.

  • My 17-year old has a job in a restaurant. He got paid today, went to the grocery store, bought a bunch of ingredients, and made dinner for all of us. (And even cleaned up the kitchen.) He made us a version of a sandwich that’s on the menu where he works — it’s got ham and bacon and avocado and provolone and some other stuff. He even bought sides (chips and potato salad.)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/762907b01e9c3db5320f92fece9bdc3d232c1ae3343d38127a859a9ef00c3355.jpg

    I have a good kid.

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      That’s awesome. :)

    • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

      You raised him right. :)

      • Rosacaustin

        my classmate’s half-sister makes $72 every hour on the internet. She has been without a job for eight months but last month her payment was $16159 just working on the internet for a few hours.Here’s the site to read more……++++++++++++++++++++
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    • Résistance Land Shark Ω

      Yes, you do.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Yes you do. Does he do take out?

      • Maybe! He’s full of surprises.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          Obviously pleasant ones. Nice job on raising him.

    • oh my god that’s adorable.

      cheers!

    • BosGrl

      He must feel so good about himself :)

    • BadKitty904

      How adorable is that?! And a good kid is usually a product of good parenting.

    • janecita

      You have a great kid!

    • shivaskeeper

      Very good.

    • mancityRed6

      first rule my dad taught me when I started to bake, a good cook always cleans up after.

    • grindstone

      Thank you for this –I’m trying to find things multiple times a day that make me smile, that are good for my soul and wellbeing. You have a VERY good kid!

    • arglebargle

      As someone who worked my way up from a dishwasher and busboy to a bartender and manager, I think everyone should work in a restaurant for a year or two. It teaches you so many things that are useful in life. Being polite in the face of assholeishness may be chief among them.

  • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

    Important information for your safety:

    “Bugbears do not need cuddles.”

    • Msgr_MΩment

      I would like to support our right to arm bugbears.

  • Mister Smith

    The entire Trump family are Neanderthal mouth breathers.

    • mackafritz

      Gotta do it:
      Neanderthal libelz

      • Left Coast Tom
        • alpacapunchbowl

          Jinx, sorta!

      • alpacapunchbowl

        #notallneanderthals
        I am, no joke, genetically higher in neanderthal dna than average.

        • North Europe derivation?

          • alpacapunchbowl

            Yep, that’s us!

        • Red Bird Ω

          Have you seen that old movie Quest for Fire?

          • alpacapunchbowl

            No! But I know *of* it. Good?

          • Red Bird Ω

            It depends. When it was made in the 1980’s it was considered a big deal because it was a 2 hour movie with no dialogue (cavemen didn’t talk). Now, not so much. When you said Neanderthal, I thought of it because the movie portrayed them as short red haired cannibals. It was before we understood them better.

          • alpacapunchbowl

            Okay, it’s coming back to me now…
            Well, I do have red hair

          • Red Bird Ω

            Ah hah! Do you have a good sense of smell too? Hengh???

          • Doug Langley
        • Msgr_MΩment

          I was disappointed that ancestry.com was mute on that issue with my DNA test.

          It would have been my only chance to get heidelberg[ensis] on my resume.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Club ’em and drag them off to your cave.

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            It’s heritage, not date!

          • alpacapunchbowl

            Oh shitty. We did the National Geographic one, it’s pricey but pretty thorough. Works best for men because of how the chromosomes trace.

        • WY_cryptid

          Me, too.

          • Meccalopolis

            Me three

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          I am in the top 2% of tested people in terms of the amount of Neanderthal DNA. I feel really defensive of them now, and have started getting pissed off at depictions of them with matted hair and dirty faces.

  • EmmaChuur

    I don’t do ad hominem with other of my socco-med thingies. Just don’t think it helps “further the dialogue”. happily, I don’t care what emma sez, so: That Donald Trump Jr is a daddy don’t love me, no, daddy doesn’t ever even THINK of me, ugly, stupid, nasty, fuckmouth pissbaby, big, floppy titted, finger-sniffin, sycophantic compensating you really like me failure smear.
    #MAGA

    • Jennifer R

      I am tired so I will bite.
      An Ad Hominem is when you rebut an argument with a personal attack. Simply calling someone a name doesn’t quality.

      • Left Coast Tom

        …it’s also important that the personal attack be irrelevant to the argument. I think we’re going to have to keep this in mind as the “why the hell is Trump Putin’s bitch boy” investigation continues on.

        • Jennifer R

          Also correct. “You are wrong, because you are an idiot” is an Ad Hom. “You are wrong, here is the detailed explanation why, idiot” is not.

          • shivaskeeper

            This is correct.

          • CindyinEncinitas

            Except it’s “A Idiot.”

    • WomanInThePersistence

      I’m sorry, but I’m missing your point. Huh?

      • Jennifer R

        donnie famously had nothing to do with his adult male children before they were 18.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          Thanks for the translation. I was perplexed.

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          Or Tiffany…then or later.

  • IdiokraticDrumpfenResistance
  • Jennifer R

    Another branch of the Susan G Koman foundation closes. Karen did a good job fucking them up.

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      Yup. But then again that is the core competency of Republicans.

  • I know a joke
  • notaten

    I was once attacked by Armenian gangsters at a cultural fair, they forced me to eat a bunch of delicious food. It was so frightening that I went back before I went home and got some more delicious food to go.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Was turkey involved?

      • notaten

        ISWYDT! Ha!

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      Did they force you to listen to System of a Down and watch Keeping up with the Kardashians?

      • notaten

        Anything involving the Kardashians would have put me off my feed for a long while, so no.

    • Left Coast Tom

      I’ve had that problem at a restaurant in Fresno.

    • Persistent Demme

      They made ME eat their flatbread, chicken, and cucumbers, dammit!

  • Blackest Noobs

    i know some of you are feeling down..so figured you could use this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAAbuGX-qEY

    • mancityRed6

      some of those covers are awesome, I just get lost in the GWAR ones.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      That was very enjoyable. I’ve always thought of this as a fuck you kind of song. This was joyous.

      • Blackest Noobs

        it kinda is…a fuck you kind of song in that it’s about being resilient, realistic, and brutally honest. and a catchy melody.

    • I know a joke

      They Might Be Giants are impossibly pure.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      I love the original so much, but that was fun. It’s one of my favorite running songs. And watching TMBG makes me wish so hard that I could play bass.

  • memzilla Ω

    Here is Dolt 45’s budget chief, Mick Mulvaney, saying he believes the government should determine if you DESERVE healthcare: “That doesn’t mean we should take care of the person who sits at home, eats poorly and gets diabetes. Is that the same thing as Jimmy Kimmel’s kid? I don’t think that it is.” NO FIRST WORLD COUNTRY ON EARTH MAKES YOU TAKE A FUCKING LITMUS TEST TO SEE IF YOU FUCKING “DESERVE” HEALTHCARE.

    • alpacapunchbowl

      Sounds like a…what was it again…death panel?

    • ariel_gee_398

      This is why you don’t want people to run the country “like a business.”

      • yyyaz

        As if. Right now it’s being run as a racket.

      • BadKitty904

        Especially “business” men who’ve gone through, what – three or four bankruptcies?

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        You have issues with Trump University or what?

    • mancityRed6

      isn’t that what they said they were going to do, take the bureaucrat out of your medical choices.
      oh, wait, that’s if you can afford it.

    • Left Coast Tom

      It’s really hard to unpack the stupidity in that because…wow.

      What you said.

      What alpacapunchbowl said.

      Lots of people become diabetic as children because genetics – that’d be called “type 1 diabetes”.

      There’s also a genetic component to adult onset diabetes, that’d be called “type 2 diabetes”, and it’d also be the most “charitable” possible explanation available for Mulvaney’s comment, assuming “charitable explanation” is interpreted impossibly loosely.

      There’s also a correlation between poverty and type 2 diabetes, implying a potential solution that Mulvaney doesn’t seem to be pursuing.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Wow…he’s talking shit about the Republican base. But hey, as long as Trump deports lots of immigrants and cuts taxes for the rich, they’ll be good with it.

      • ariel_gee_398

        I swear to god these fuckers still don’t realize how much of their lives are supported by the big bad federal government. If not for all the harm to innocent people who do understand how good a thing a functional government is, I’d be in favor of just letting Trump burn the whole thing down so these idiots could FINALLY understand.

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          It’s wildfire season out west…record heat waves, global warming, it’s gonna be epic. I was ranting the other day about all these anti-gov militia goobers in their squatter Hooverville compounds out in the country. They’ll squeal the loudest about the federal government rescuing them when the fires close in.

          • Ω cynmac will never surrender

            What federal government? There is nobody in charge of FEMA.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Well, in this case, what’s left of the Forest Service, after Trump is done eviscerating that and giving all the public lands to his cronies.

    • shivaskeeper

      That is the beginning of it. At some point the ones left with health care will lose it when they are deemed unworthy as well.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        As soon as they get sick.

        • shivaskeeper

          It’s more than that. If heath care isn’t a fundamental right it can be taken away at any time for any reason. If you are on the side of the line that keeps health care this time around, you may better damn well hope than no one ever move the line or you slip below either through your own fault or random circumstances.

          • see also: Dude in NC that hated Obamacare until he started losing his eye sight.
            They will never get it until it happens to them.
            Never.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            This is the beauty of the government social safety net; there is no ideological litmus test to qualify. So even fucking Ayn Rand got S.S. and Medicaid.

      • Claire

        And if they’re white they’ll be astonished, because it will never have occurred to them that someone might draw the deserving/undeserving line with them on the wrong side.

        • shivaskeeper

          And that right there is it.

    • Claire

      He knows his base, and he knows that the primary business of their lives is dividing the entire world into “deserving” and “undeserving.” And coming up with reasons why they’re on the “deserving” side.

      For real, the drive to prove that they deserve the benefits of living in society but no one else does is one of the primary reasons people vote for Republicans.

      • Kiri the Unicorn

        There’s even a quote!

        The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

        John Kenneth Galbraith

    • So weird. Here I thought they were all upset over the ACA because government got to choose who got healthcare and what not
      So weird!

    • Red Bird Ω

      What about less regulation.

    • ok here is the dog whistle moment:
      Do you know who cannot afford “healthy” food even with food stamps because pre packaged sodium rich shit is cheaper by a lot?
      Poor people.
      Do you know who is most prone to easily combatted illness that time after time keeps hitting their immune system because the can’t afford to take off from work or get treatment?
      Poor people.
      Do you know who is most likely to develop nutrition related diseases later in life and be stuck with medical treatment forever or death?
      If you guessed poor people you are paying attention.

      • Jennifer R

        Eat the rich, inherit their powers.

        • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

          I hope it’s not the power to be a raging asshole.

          • yyyaz

            Just a really high correlation that is not easily explained (away).

    • Kiri the Unicorn

      Something something death panels something…

    • CeeQ

      Mulvaney is literally THE WORST.

  • mancityRed6

    I was worried about whether it would hold my weight, but the damn thing weighs 50 pounds.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0bd67924740a56da7b20a449d3c2f94b01213fac79d950733b05209880e1478b.jpg
    the tables are still a good height for a foot stool and I’m not as sbent over as I was.
    and the fireflies are back.

    • yyyaz

      Win, win and WIN!

    • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

      Coolness! :D

    • mancityRed6

      and it folds so I can stuff it in that closet there.

    • Claire

      We haven’t gotten fireflies here yet. I’m really bummed because I love them.

      • mancityRed6

        the house has a lot of shade, but they were few and very far between the last few years. at the apt, I can’t keep count. and they are active.

        • CindyinEncinitas

          I haven’t seen a single june bug yet!

          • mancityRed6

            when I was growing up with no A/C, the front door was always open when we were up and there were always a few climbing the screen door. I have only seen a few in the last few years.

          • Come to VA. I will give you a few thousand

    • BloviateMe

      I miss fireflies. I don’t recall seeing a single one here in Orygun.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        We don’t have them here. Really. I saw my first firefly when visiting my beloved uncle on the east coast. I was seventeen.

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          Me, too! I remember being completely thrilled, and my friends made fun of me.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            I was enchanted. Of course, I had read about them. But never seen them. They are so beautiful.

    • Red Bird Ω

      meatball???

    • BadKitty904

      That looks mighty comfy. I would curl up on that, wrapped in my quilt.

      • mancityRed6

        it’s better than the scrunched over chair I was using. I’m sure my back will feel better. it came with two lumbar pillows but I haven’t tried them yet.

        • BadKitty904

          It looks like Just the Thing.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      You finally got a comfy chair! About time.

      • Doug Langley

        When do the soft cushions arrive?

    • Bill D. Burger

      The firefly’s flame
      Is something for which science has no name
      I can think of nothing eerier
      Than flying around with an unidentified glow on a
      person’s posteerier.

      _____Ogden Nash

      https://68.media.tumblr.com/00a50523e10b3eadbb245d17768401f8/tumblr_o6zr4wgb2F1vtcyi6o1_500.gif

  • BadKitty904

    Anna, are you about or have you toddled off?

    • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

      I’m here. :)

      • Lord Jim

        ‘Sup gurrrl? :)

        • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

          Ima good, just had a bite to eat. How are you Jim? :)

          • Lord Jim

            Pretty good. Got a bunch of games from Good ol’ Games and so haz plenty of fun in the queue. Baldur’s Gate and Neverwinter Nights, OH MY! XD

          • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

            Sweet! Bookmarked. Neverwinter is a good game.

            Ima still playing my Star Trek Online everyday, and I’m also making great progress on my miniature wargames.

          • Lord Jim

            Awesome. I’m a solitary gamer, myself, so those old AD&D campaign games are just what the doctor ordered. I shall probably buy Planescape: Torment Enhanced Edition soon.

          • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

            Sweet. :)

            I mostly do solitary things on STO, except for Team matching queues. I gave up on the Social aspect 2 years ago, it’s just my Personal Star Trek series.

          • Doug Langley
      • BadKitty904

        Ha! Whilst I was setting supper on the table, the hubby had the news on on the TB. You may already be aware of it, but there was a commercial for a BIG-budget movie on the Dunkirk disaster, to be released at the theaters on July 21st.

        Just an FYI, missy…

        • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

          Cool! I’ve seen the teaser, but I didn’t know it was out that soon. :)

          I’m excited, the old British movie about Dunkirk has been out-of-print in the USA for over a decade.

          • BadKitty904

            I thought it’d be just your cuppa tea, plus bickie!

          • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

            Ta, Luv. :D The teaser is intense, I think it’ll be a good film.

  • BloviateMe
    • BadKitty904

      OK, that made me lol. Much to the alarm of the cat that was sitting on my lap at the time.

  • janecita

    I’m watching Rachel Maddow, at this point I believe that all Republican politicians are traitors, and every single person that votes Republican is a damn collaborator.
    If my grandmother was alive, she would have been screaming at the TV “Collaborateurs!” “Traîtres!” “Tuez-les tous!”

    • mancityRed6

      at least half or more people who vote Republican do so at their own detriment.

      • The other half do it to piss off the libtards

        • Left Coast Tom

          This is why I don’t go along with the “Republicans voting against their interests” argument – it implies, with no evidence, that the folks we’re talking about actually care about their economic well-being. Suppose someone only cares about racism – L’il Donnie satisfies their interest even if it kills them.

          • mancityRed6

            they care, they just believe the lies that are spoonfed to them about trickle down and how the jobs are coming back.
            they don’t want to have to do some book learning to get a new job.

          • Left Coast Tom

            I’m finding it hard to put “think coal mining jobs are coming back”, “let’s shit on anyone with black lung”, and “am capable of breathing” in the same context. It seems more Occam-like to simply conclude that we’re talking about people who are, actually, voting their interests, though those interests aren’t anything sensible people would hold.

          • mancityRed6

            because there won’t be any coal jobs in the Appalachia’s coming back. it’s been dug too deep and it’s too expensive to get now that coal has dropped in price, now they’re all in Wyoming.
            is it fair? no, and I hated the way Thatcher treated the miners, too. well, when I was old enough to understand it.
            they were told their jobs were coming back and they wanted to believe, so they did.

          • Left Coast Tom

            But that’s always true with mining. You can exhaust the resource, you can be undercut by another geographic area with a more accessible resource…the US doesn’t lack for ghost towns based on mining.

          • mancityRed6

            yeah, but most Americans don’t even remember the basis for Clinton’s impeachment, let alone something that happened before that.
            and anyone who could get out from there wound up in Ohio where the manufacturing jobs started drying up, too.
            I’m close enough I’ve been through Picher, OK before it closed down
            http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photo_StoryLevel/080510/080510-picher-hmed-11a.grid-6×2.jpg
            I wouldn’t mind seeing it again. I know there are more around me and south, but that’s the first one that comes to mind.
            The town I was born in has come close a few times, but they still have a 3M plant and an all girl’s college. and meth, they have lots of meth and dog bites.

          • Left Coast Tom

            The state I grew up in has a National Park based on a mining ghost town…the city I was born in in within that state is heading in the same direction if it doesn’t come to some community-level agreement as to whether, and what industry, it wants to attract to replace the auto industry, and what strategy it wants to employ towards that end.

            But I can’t believe that folks in a coal industry that’s been shedding jobs since 1920 even as it’s only been losing output in the last 10 years or so don’t actually know what’s up. Nor do I believe, regarding where I was born, that folks don’t actually know that employment in their local industry has been in decline since the 1960s.

          • mancityRed6

            the state I was born in and currently live in doesn’t even have a national park.
            the city I grew up in (Nevada, MO,. look it up) lost their state (mental) hospital in the early ’90s and I’m fairly certain the Fram and toilet company are gone. I was last there on Christmas and I was surprised the bowling alley was still open.

          • I do not think they actually believe that actually. A few, here and there, but the bulk of them does not factually care about any of that.

          • mancityRed6

            I’ll admit there are quite a few who accept their lot in life. I’m kinda that way, but at least I’m comfortable.

          • Difference between accepting one’s lot, and actively attempting to make others miserable because you are.

          • mancityRed6

            just so long as the (insert race here) are worse off, their trailers don’t seem so bad.

          • desida

            For all their yelling, I’m not sure some of them even want jobs. Thinking of the longform Washington Post article a while back about some guy in rural Kentucky, I think, whose entire family was collecting disability and he was considering doing the same because he was having a hard time getting construction jobs. There was a part where he goes to a fast food joint and sees that they’re hiring, but he doesn’t want to work for fast food wages. So yeah, we’re talking about a mindset where it’s better not to work at all than to work at a job that you feel is beneath you. Which I can totally understand, except for the part where these same people inevitably vote Republican and bitch about lazy immigrants and Welfare recipients.

  • Rachel Book Harlot

    Someone below posted some Missy Elliott, which has caused me to escape into some old school tunes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjx9oSJDAVQ

  • Doug Langley

    Another day with the kiddies. For math class, introduced them to tangrams. Google it, they’re fun. Another day of hungry kids who take pride in wolfing down a plate and whooshing back for seconds before I can serve myself. Another insipid family film on Netflix after lunch. This one was Zootopia. It’s about a city with talking animals of every species. Best scene: the cop is in a hurry to run down a license plate, so they rush to DMV. She looks at the workers and gasp “they’re . . . SLOTHS????????” “Good . . . morn . . . ing . . . may . . . I . . . help . . . you?” The kids didn’t get it, but I was laughing out of my chair.

    • Jennifer R

      Weren’t a fan of Zootopia I take it?

      • Doug Langley

        Decent enough flick, I’m just O’Ding on the kiddie entertainment.

        Oh, another good scene. They meet the criminal mastermind, the voice talent does a great impression of . . . Marlon Brando. Of course, the little ones didn’t get it.

        • Jennifer R

          that is part of the allure. Jokes the parents can get that aren’t going to get uptight people bothered.

    • janecita

      I liked Zootopia. It had a great message against stereotypes, racism and bullying.

    • I am so glad you are enjoying it XD sounds like you are enjoying lol

      • Doug Langley

        Well, maybe “enjoy” is a bit strong. Watching a constant stream of kiddie movies is really making me hunger for a XXX flick.

        • That is what after hours is for. I do not mean the movies, I mean the job XD

    • mancityRed6

      I parked the cats in front of Zootopia and they loved it.

    • Lord Jim

      Tangrams are awesome.

  • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

    CNN is calling Donnie Two Scoops’s little to-do in Iowa a “victory lap”.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/05864581193987c20978f7d100d92e54c72a331db0e85122383e998a24ec55cf.gif

  • Michael R

    .
    ‘Not long after Mike Flynn met with Saudi nuclear officials, the Russian nuclear-power giant Rosatom announced a $100 billion deal to build 46 nuclear reactors in Saudi Arabia.

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article157493909.html

    • jesterpunk

      Wait so once again they are projecting? Where is my shocked face?

    • Doug Langley

      To quote Columbo “What a coincidence! This case is just full of ’em!”

      • “Um, just one more question…”

        • Doug Langley

          “Do you have a suspect, Lieutenant?”

          “We do, but we don’t have a motive for you.”

    • Me not sure

      48 targets for conventional weapons. Enough to make what little comfortable space there is there unlivable. Well thought out.

      • mancityRed6

        if there is a meltdown, will it combust the oil underneath?

        • Doug Langley

          Naw, just turn it all into asphalt.

        • Me not sure

          Quite possibly, I think. The China Syndrome is a situation where the core burns through the earth’s crust until it reaches the water table resulting in a huge radioactive steam explosion. If it hit a large deposit of oil there could be a large practically unquenchable oil explosion/fire pumping radioactive material into the atmosphere.

  • HazooToo
    • Oh no, they will change their minds.
      The second they are personally impacted. Not their cousins, or their friends, or even their kids, but themselves.

      • HazooToo

        No, they’ll say they’re disappointed and they hope he sees them, but they still support him. Like they have in several interviews already.

        • It hasn’t impacted them directly yet.
          Like I said, does not count if it affects a friend, or their favorite maid, or whatever. When it hits them directly, then they will care.

          • mancityRed6

            that’s how the left wing media is different from them, they started paying attention to the economy in ’08 when it affected their friends _and_ their maids.

          • snorkle XD In my head you said “Friends and maids and pussy cats and orangutans”

          • mancityRed6

            orangutans can lose their jobs in a recession, too. don’t be hateful

    • Parakeetist

      I need to post this 7,000 times on DU. The Purity Pony Bros are shitting on Rep. Pelosi tonight.

      • Everrett Fanuelli

        It’s all over. SO much so that CNN felt they needed to cover it.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        of course they are- they’re having their misogynygasm and Pelosi is their second favorite target after Hillary. The truth is- Pelosi had very little to do with the results and it have been just as wrong to credit her for a victory as to blame her for the loss. If she hadn’t been the official boogeyman it would have been Hillary, or Bamz, or Warren, or Schumer or… They’d find some name to scare the rubes with, regardless

    • Left Coast Tom

      The top tweet, I think, misunderstands the point behind partisan gerrymandering.

      A pro-GOP partisan gerrymander would start with “how badly, relative to Cook PVI, might we fuck up in the next 10 years”. It would then pack Democratic voters into as few overwhelmingly-D districts as possible, as long as the result left the remaining districts above the “how can we fuck this up” threshold.

      • HazooToo

        Read the whole thread, though I do understand your point.

        • Left Coast Tom

          Thanks, that was worth it. My only disagreement is with the top tweet in question.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          I tried explaining that on a politicalwire thread- it wasn’t message failure, it was a deep red district that shouldn’t have been competitive. They chose Price precisely because they thought it was a safe seat. And it wasn’t a lack of DNC ads/money, Ossoff got as close as he did because of the ground game. He did it by getting Dem voters to the polls for an off year election, not by changing the minds of GOP voters

          • HazooToo

            Exactly. We need to keep doing that. Keep bothering Democrats for “unimportant” elections, because none of them are, and if we get that message through, we will actually start to beat their cheating tricks by sheer numbers.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        Gerrymandering is to maximize the impact of each vote for one team, as well as minimize it for the other. If you can’t prevent the other team from voting, jam them all in one district so the impact of each votes gets watered down, as any votes above 51% are wasted. Meanwhile, spread your team’s voters in different districts so that they will have a comfortable margin of winning without wasting any of your own votes above what’s necessary

        • Left Coast Tom

          Yep – which implies that if you underestimate how badly you might fuck up…the dam breaks.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            AKA the Trump effect. The number crunchers are pretty damn good at it (theirs are probably better than ours, or at least we’re not quite as bloodthirsty and blatant about it), but no prediction can account for a serious fuckup like the current Moron in Chief

  • mancityRed6
    • wait! what?

      It’s a great tanning message; I haven’t sunned in ages…

    • therblig

      jesus paid for our sins.
      let’s make sure he got his money’s worth.

  • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

    I just found a Trailer for the Delta Green RPG I love. Caution, disturbing imagery is a given with Delta Green. It’s about government agents fighting a covert battle against the Cthulhu Mythos.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eoCCeim9IY

    Are you ready for a Night at the Opera?

    • rofl, I love that someone made a game about covert agents fighting Cthulhu XD It is just too funny for some reason

      • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

        It’s really good. :) They’ve folded in all the Conspiracy you could want, but it all goes back to the Mythos. Delta Green starts with the FBI and Naval Intelligence agents that dealt with “Shadows Over Innsmouth”.

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      Cthulhu/Pelosi 2020!

      • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

        Damn right! Ima tired of the Lesser Evil.

    • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

      http://www.arcdream.com/pdf/DG_FP_1-3_3.pdf

      http://www.delta-green.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Delta-Green-Future-Perfect-4.pdf

      This is “Future/Perfect”, a DG campaign by Dennis Detwiller. It’s the best damned RPG scenario I’ve ever read, and for free.

    • Lord Jim

      Whoa. Mind. Blown.

      • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

        It’s my fave RPG setting ever. It’s finally back-in-print, for awhile the books were going for crazy prices.

  • BadKitty904

    I’m curled up on the couch with the husband and the kitties, we’re sipping absinthe (me and the hubby, not the kitties), and a tremendous thunderstorm is shaking the house. I feel like a character in an M. R. James ghost story.

  • janecita

    Has Serai been around? I haven’t seen her in a while.

    • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

      It’s been a couple weeks I think. I hope she’s OK.

      • janecita

        Me too.

  • Bec Jenn

    I’m just exhausted right now (news wise that is). It seems so hopeless. I think the combo of healthcare, Ossof, and Castile just have me in a dark, dark place.

    I’m so scared about the healthcare thing, as I have 3 AI diseases that are kind of expensive to treat. My husband cannot leave his job with the state for better money/oppurtunity/quality of life, because we need the good insurance that is provided. Alas, is also seems that the new healthcare regulations my affect those with employee provided care as well.

    Today is just a bad day for me. I’m crying and just upset. I think I should go back to Harry Potter right now. I guess I needed to cry out, because it feels so hopeless. My voice is small and insignificant, but hoping someone will listen. Okay back to crying.

    • Anna E Killsright, Agent KELLY

      ~hugs~ You aren’t alone, OK?

    • WomanInThePersistence

      I am so sorry to hear you are dealing with this. I truly wish there was more that I could offer than moral support and Internet *hugs*. And calls to my senators.

      • Bec Jenn

        I’ve contacted my senators. Having to put stuff in writing I think hurt my mood more than helped (ie, I have PSC, which will require a liver transplant at some point). Also my crohn’s started to act up and had waaaaay too many trips to the loo and that never puts one in a good mood. And then we add the heat here in Phoenix, and I think it’s just a perfect storm of darkness.

        • CindyinEncinitas

          I joined Indivisible and now I am taking action and that is what helps me cope. Like, those bastards can’t keep me down. Not everyone is like me though. I hope you find peace soon.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          I’m serious about the moral support you will find around here. There are a lot of caring Wonkers who have also had hard times. If you need to vent, that’s okay. But I think that shiva and BadKitty have a good point. Maybe a mental health break would be helpful. It won’t solve the very real problems you are dealing with, but it may give you a little more room to breathe.

          My vote, fwiw, is dive into Harry Potter. Or whatever your personal security blanket is. Find your happy, and give yourself permission to enjoy it. This won’t magically fix a damn thing, but it will give you time to rearrange your coping skills. I’m sorry if I’m sounding all bossy, but there have been times in my life that taking a short break helped immensely.

        • Persistent Demme

          Take a break.
          You’ve done what you can do.
          Don’t forget that stress can make you sick(er), too.
          And take care of yourself.

    • shivaskeeper

      Someone here is always listening.

      The only thing I can say is take a break from the news. The constant stress from it will grind anyone down.

      On the bonus side, while I was driving around today the news was playing clips of some GOPer Senators not being down with the AHCA, the secret drafting of it, and the short timeline. They said they would not vote for it any time soon. Of course we will have to see if they have conviction in addition to words, but it’s something.

    • BadKitty904

      What Shiva says below. A step back and deep breaths may help. Treat yourself with doing something you like – Harry Potter, a nap, a walk, etc. Leave the news alone ’til Monday and see if you feel some better…

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/43191e86c96a96a7f06a4b49bbab23c249fe88534cf3600fa9a0cbdab2c861da.gif

    • Ω cynmac will never surrender

      I too was feeling down on Sunday, facing the endoscopy today. I have had so many health problems over the past 4 years that another one just laid me low. Plus I had a hard time finding someone to take me. But I shamed my brother into it.
      If/when the ACA gets yanked, I’m screwed. I’m in the pipeline for SS/Medicare, but that’s on the chopping block too. Most people I talk to IRL don’t seem to care, even when this may crash the whole healthcare system, and like the real estate crisis fuck up the entire economy. I’ve said my piece, I’ve laid my plans as best I can and I pray that everything will work out.
      Even if it doesn’t, isn’t great to have a place like Wonkette to vent at?

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        I care deeply about this, but I suppose it’s safe to say that most people assume it won’t affect them. But it so will.

    • Edith Prickly

      I’m so sorry this is being inflicted on you. I don’t want to sound like a Pollyanna but there are plenty of people out there who know how harmful it will be if the ACA is gutted and they will fight it every step of the way. Take a break from the news until you don’t feel so overwhelmed.

    • BeachBum

      I say take a loooong break from the news.

  • Slinger

    Yeap Karen Handel broke the glass ceiling, she acts like her head is full of broken glass.

  • wait! what?
    • mancityRed6

      why? why would you do that?

      • Because you’re an asshole.

        • wait! what?

          All this, too.

        • BloviateMe

          I LOL’d.

          • Seriously, it makes no sense any other way.
            Why would you be proud at turning something interesting and artistic into something gray…unless you were an asshole?
            If I were hired to paint over that, I would sob while doing it, and take as many photos as possible of each brick so someone somewhere could reconfigure it. Or just flat out refuse the job.

          • BloviateMe

            My bad, I thought you were saying the reason it was done was because mancityRed was an asshole. It was such a random unsolicited attack, that I belly laughed (I assumed you weren’t serious about that, btw).

            Forgive me, I’m wicked tired.

          • rofl no sorry, was answering his question XD
            Now I feel bad. You are not an asshole, Mancity! You know this, but I now feel the need, nay, the obligation, to state it for the record.

      • wait! what?

        He was modeling his president that he didn’t vote for and being the biggest ass he could be:

        Mission Accomplished

  • Claire

    I was thinking today about the idea that the soft-focus Norman Rockwell version of America has been almost surgically divided between the two parties. Good jobs at good wages, being able to afford to buy a house and raise a family without skills or education, being able to be secure in the cultural belief that the lowest white man is better than the best black man and all the decisions are being made by people who look and think just like you – we’ve split them up.

    Democrats got the living-wage, union power, having protections against your petty Walmart boss screwing you over on hours, health care, safety net there if you need it. Republicans got the white cultural hegemony, the idea that the benefits of society should go only to white Christian conservative men, the security of knowing that if you have a white penis there’s only so far you can sink.

    At some point, everyone in America is going to have to come to terms with the fact that we’ve reached a fork in the road; and half of America wants to retain white cultural supremacy so badly that they’re willing to give up all of the economic and social status benefits that are supposed to go along with that supremacy, just so they can keep telling themselves that the lowest white man is better than the best black man.

    Then I read this, and it was very interesting:

    “I paused for a second, like a spectator waiting to see what would come out of my own mouth. Two things came out: “I fear we’re seeing the end of ‘truth’ — that we simply can’t agree any more on basic facts. And I fear that we’re becoming Sunnis and Shiites — we call them ‘Democrats’ and ‘Republicans,’ but the sectarianism that has destroyed nation-states in the Middle East is now infecting us.”

    “But when there is no “we” anymore, because “we” no longer share basic truths, Seidman argued, “then there is no legitimate authority and no unifying basis for our continued association.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/opinion/where-did-we-the-people-go.html?ref=opinion&mtrref=www.nytimes.com&assetType=opinion

    • Yeah. Except this is nothing new.
      See also: War, Civil. And every decade in American History that has ever existed.

      • Claire

        Well, we’ve always had a tension in America between people who wanted to look forward and people who wanted to look backward. Every now and then it rises to the surface. But the fact that it’s not new doesn’t mean that it’s not a significant issue, or that we don’t have to find a way of dealing with it that won’t lead to the type of sectarianism the article is talking about.

        The left, in my opinion, needs to come to terms with this shit and stop pretending that if we just talk loud enough or explain hard enough that right-wingers will come around. They aren’t going to. They’ve decided that they’d rather retain the trappings of white hegemony than live in a world where the benefits of society don’t flow entirely to people who look and think like them. Maybe the left was better at facing that reality head-on back in the days of the civil war; I don’t know. It doesn’t look to me like we’re ready to face it now.

        • They weren’t. Keep in mind, at first- even at the beginning of the Civil War- Lincoln was still running around trying to reassure everyone that the south could keep their slaves.
          Even though he was dead set against slavery.
          It is not so much facing reality, it is that part of the leftist ideology is wanting to get along with everyone, with giving everyone a voice, with trying to uplift everyone at the same time. Because we know that only when you uplift everyone is true progress created.
          So we won’t turn our backs on them. We won’t just scrape them off. They are our countrymen, even if they consider us a worse enemy than ISIS. In fact, the liberal politician that suggests the Republicans are the worst enemy ever will be voted out, by their own base, faster than you can blink.
          Democrats are politicians for everyone; only Republicans serve only those who voted for them.

          • Claire

            Those are nice words, but they don’t allow for the possibility that there’s nothing special about American that makes us immune to the same sectarian issues that have torn apart other countries. If you think no liberal would turn their backs on the conservatives who pick our pockets with one hand and flip us off with the other, you haven’t been listening to the currents in rhetoric since the presidential election.

            Democrats aren’t politicians for everyone. They’re politicians for people who want the things their policies stand for. Many, many people in this country have looked at the direction the Democrats want to take things, understood it, and decided they want no part of it. What good does it do to pretend that’s not the case?

          • The difference lies in that the Democrats voted in don’t tend to turn their back on their constituents, even if it is not what other Democrats want them to do. And I do not believe liberals would turn their back on a conservative in need. Do I have proof? Anecdotal proof only, of the many times a conservative who railed against those libs found themselves hard up and it was the liberals who stepped in and helped out.

            But who ever said we were immune to sectarian issues? We are not, and like I said above, we have been dealing with this very issue since the beginning of the country. Washington himself said that the two party system would destroy the nation. And it wasn’t even the same two parties way back then. There has never been a point in our country where we did not suffer from fierce division.

            The death knell’s been rung so many times for the union, you may as well count it in years. And yet we are still here. Why are we still here? Why when, as you point out, other countries would be rent apart? And have been?
            Mostly, it has been our ability to compromise, and despite all the set backs, the steady slog of progress. Is that ability at its end? It might be, I do not know.

          • Claire

            We’ve been here for some 250 years. That’s not actually very long, relatively speaking, and yet people still believe that the US will continue as it is, world without end. We certainly don’t have a monopoly on ability to compromise, even if we currently seemed inclined to, which we do not.

            As for evidence that liberals would turn their backs on a conservative in need, you only have to look at the non-comments on this site, where plenty of people have asserted that it’s time for blue states to stop supporting red states. Moreover, it’s just human nature. You can only extend your hand and have it slapped away so many times before you stop extending it. The idea that liberals will always forgive and always be willing to help is a nice one, but that’s not how people work. Maybe there are people who will forever extend a helping hand even to people who love nothing more than to spit in their faces, and I applaud those people because they are better human beings than I am, but I suspect that people whose response to having their face spat in is “Well, fuck you, then,” are in the majority.

    • HazooToo

      What do we do with that information, exactly?

      • Claire

        Beats me. You can observe problems without knowing how to solve them, and trust me, you do not want me solving this particular problem.

        • HazooToo

          I think I’ll just keep going, because I don’t want to live in ANY focus of Rockwell painting.

          • Claire

            Neither do I. My point is that half of America does, and it doesn’t do us any good to pretend they’ll suddenly see the light and start wanting self-driving cars even though self-driving cars would be awesome.

          • HazooToo

            I know. But I don’t k