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If you don’t follow international news or if you were trying to figure out how many people got shot yesterday in various parts of America, you might have missed the Grenfell Fire in London. It’s a giant fucking deal, as at least 17 people have died and also because the Grenfell Tower (which was a big apartment building) was in Kensington. There’s not a great direct comparison to London but it’s kind of like if they’d put public housing smack in the middle of Beverly Hills. Swank postcode, shitty building safety maintenance.

The fire happened because they built a sub-par building with flammable materials, didn’t put in proper sprinkler systems, and didn’t bother with things like codes for how far a boiler should be from a wall, though they did spend millions making the building very pretty. Then they just assumed everything would be spiffy. At some point in the early morning, a spark set the building on fire and people wound up tossing babies nine stories to be caught by strangers below (this actually happened). Muslim residents, up for Ramadan prayers, got as many people out as they could before emergency services showed up.

British people immediately did what British people do: They organized shelter and food for affected residents, then waited to see how bloody awful the headlines would be. And the media did not disappoint!

We bring you: The Daily Mail. They have published this *after* it became public knowledge that the building was mostly a firetrap. Because the Daily Mail is a place where racist fucks congregate to create “content” instead of doing anything like what we might call journalism.

 

We would further like to point out that the Sun, for once, seems to be trying to not be fuckbags, so that is a nice thing? (Enjoy it now, it will not last long.) They are calling Fridge Man a hero for trying to wake his neighbors. In related news, I think it’s likely someone has dosed me with LSD because there is not a world I recognize where the Sun COULD scrape the bottom and chooses not to. In fact, here is a firefighter dragging the Sun just so we all feel like the world is normal.

That’s much better.

You might want to follow this story, because it turns out this wasn’t the only subpar building in London, and it’s going to keep being a scandal. Since they are British people and not Americans they might even require that the buildings be brought up to code!

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  • MynameisBlarney

    Thanks Obama?

  • FauxAntocles

    The Free Market will save them!

    • willi0000000

      yup – yup – yup!

      the free market always spends that extra for adequate sprinklers, exits, wiring, fire alarms, … you know, for the good of the customer.

      [ pardon me, i’ve now got to go through decontamination for writing that ]

  • Joe Beese

    Fielding a 9-story baby catch…

    Talk about a clutch play.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      the thought of being so desperate you would drop your baby 9 stories made my heart seize up.

      • everstar

        My heart broke when I realized she herself was most likely about to burn to death.

      • grindstone

        Oh lord yes. I can’t imagine thinking out her options. Hold baby? Drop baby? Make a run for it?
        Do you remember, right before the Berlin wall actually came down, but restrictions were loosened, people throwing their kids over? This kind of stuff stops my breathing for a bit, until I remind myself to start again.

      • cmd resistor

        The stories I read about it said she had the baby all wrapped in a thick blanket and then gestured to people to let them know she wanted to drop the baby.

  • Three Finger Salute

    Fake news! Grenfell Tower 7 didn’t collapse. It was a false flag orchestrated by the same Obama/Soros deep-state operatives who perpetrated the Sandy Hook hoax.

    Alex Jones, great guy, very, very fair. People are going to be talking about him.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      John Barron?

  • Kiri the Unicorn

    Is it too soon to post a link to the Architect Sketch?

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      “The rotating knives”

      • Kiri the Unicorn

        I love it that everybody knows what I’m talking about.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Just the Gumbys’ intro.

    • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

      I would vote “no.” But I’m an undead, brain-eating ghoul, so my vote probably shouldn’t count.

      • Kiri the Unicorn

        Oh, don’t be so harsh with yourself. I think of you as being more of a bon mordant.

      • clubseal

        Jesus, Mary and Joseph.

  • elviouslyqueer

    Swank postcode, shitty building safety maintenance.

    The building’s landlord wouldn’t happen to have the initials “Jared Kushner,” now would it?

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Black on gray violence!
    /s

  • Relativicus

    Think how difficult it is to be British. A tragedy happens and, rather than being allowed to run around in a panic, scapegoating people who need a good scapegoating, and launching missiles in every direction at once, you have to walk around staying above it all and helping others (some of whom maybe need a good scapegoating or missile launch). It must be exhausting.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    Actually, and I know this may sound ghoulish, but how is it so few people died? This was a large apartment building, it was very late at night, and the fire started on the ground floor. Did a lot of people have personal smoke alarms go off in time to leave the building? Something like that?

    • janecita

      Muslim people up for Ramadan, knocking on neighbors’ doors.

    • Kakkeltje

      Actually 17 people have died for sure now, but about 50 are still missing. Those are not yet counted in the dead.

    • C4TWOMAN

      Sadly no. IIRC the low death count is from lack of confirmation. I read somewhere they might need to use dental/skeletal records….

  • Me not sure

    “If only they had been allowed to have firearms this would never have happened.”
    Brian Kilmeade

  • Mavenmaven

    It was that Invisible Hand that started this fire, the same one the Trumpists would like to have regulating our markets in the USA.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “One thing we agree on…more regulation is not the answer.”
      — Theresa May and Nick Clegg

  • C4TWOMAN

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower_fire

    In a July 2014 Grenfell Tower regeneration newsletter, the KCTMO
    instructed residents to stay in the flat in case of a fire stating “Our
    longstanding ‘stay put’ policy stays in force until you are told
    otherwise” and also that the front doors for each unit could survive a
    fire for up to 30 minutes.

    Never. never, never “stay put” in a place you could be trapped when it is possible to escape.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Reminds me of a Mitch Hedberg joke: if you have legs and can run, you are never going to be blocking a fire exit.

      • jaspersdad

        Miss that guy.

  • Sister Suffragette

    “Fridge Man once drank a beer. Lynch him!” — the Daily Mail

    • Lulu Mac

      While being black!!!

      • Raan

        The British version of DWB.

  • clubseal

    Never trust a newspaper to tell you how a fire started before the actual fire detectives have had a chance to tell you. (This from a newspaper person)

    • KillerMartinis

      well yes but corollary: never let a chance to point out the Mail’s bullshit go untaken.

      • clubseal

        Oh, absolutely. Didn’t want that to come across as a jab at you; the Mail looks like, to use the above term, a “shitrag.”

  • Covfefe’s Evil Twin

    No fucking sprinkler?! JFC. Are building codes not applicable for public housing? I think I’ve found Jared’s next big investment opportunity.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      If it’s like the US, older buildings don’t have to put in sprinklers unless they do a “major renovation”. And somehow, none of the renovations are ever major.

    • Explody Brain

      I have to search back to find it, but I read something earlier today that implied that the UK (or just England, don’t know) doesn’t require stairs in tall elevator buildings. That blew my mind, but I have to go find it.

    • ariel_gee_398

      I think I saw that new buildings are required to install, but old buildings are required to retrofit.

  • Me not sure
    • Kiri the Unicorn

      I just asked that question. Yes, it is.

    • The Wanderer

      I thought of the Architect Sketch the morning it happened, and was not criticized for it.

      • Me not sure

        I only meant it as a comment on the obviously poor design standards applied to that building.

  • Relativicus

    I mean, we all know the old joke about the firefighter/former-pro football player who finally convinces a mother in a burning skyscraper to toss down her infant, yes? After listing his exceptional pass catching qualities from over 20 years of playing football, she finally releases the child and, through a few tense moments where breezes keep swooshing the child to-and-fro, the fireman makes a diving catch, snatching the child mere inches from the ground. He stands, cradling the baby in his arms as hundreds of spectators cheer and whoop. He looks up, gets caught in the moment, begins a touchdown dance and spikes the baby to the ground.

    Shirley, you know that one?

    • Wild Cat

      Well, better than him being a punter (and not in the UK sense of the word).

    • VirginiaLady

      That was terrible. And I’m laughing. Thanks

  • Indiepalin

    The ghastly fire in Soho; fifteen children at one go.

  • C4TWOMAN

    Next pitchfork brigade: Boris Johnson:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-faces-questions-over-fire-brigade-cuts-following-greenfell-fire-2017-6

    Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson faces questions over his decision to slash London’s fire service while being the Mayor of London. Johnson presided over the closure of 10 fire stations and the removal of 27 fire engines, despite previously promising not to remove them.

    There are fears that many more tower blocks in London could be vulnerable to the type of blaze seen at the Grenfell tower.

    Johnson repeatedly denied he had any plans to cut fire
    engines or fire stations, telling the London Assembly in 2010 that there were “no plans” to remove engines. Pressed on the issue, he said in a filmed meeting that “I don’t want to get rid of them. What’s the problem?”

    and

    When confronted by his opponents on the London Assembly about the broken promise in 2013, Johnson told Labour’s Andrew Dismore to “get stuffed.”

    • willi0000000

      it’s a good thing no politician in this country would ever do something like that.

  • whitroth

    You did read the early reports, that the management of the building had been outsourced to a private firm?

    And, for fucks’ sake, it was 17 dead hours ago.

    • KillerMartinis

      thanks for the typo catch

      Still not sure what it would matter which management company managed the property.

      • msanthropesmr

        Uh, perhaps because a private management firm has a greater financial​incentive to forestall repairs or building code fixes?

        • KillerMartinis

          Silly me! I forgot that private companies are not subject to things like building codes!

          • clubseal

            You guys are letting Obama divide you again.

          • whitroth

            Besides, don’t you realize how much that cuts into their profit margin? Heresy!

      • whitroth

        I dunno, I dunno.

        Btw, the drink invite’s still good (not this weekend, though – I’m out of town).

        • KillerMartinis

          yeah IDK when I’m in the city next but I’ll let you know!

    • C4TWOMAN

      It’s going to be a lot more…. :(

  • Wild Cat

    “Hey, fellow Limeys! Look over there: Muslim Terrorists!”
    —May’s Head of Housing, Sir Nigel Oliver Thrushthroat III

    • guppy06

      And here I thought only Southrons named their kids after Civil War losers three times in a row!

  • Latverian Diplomat

    “is it in poor taste to say today’s Page Three is a real hottie?”
    — The Sun

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    This is just so damn awful.

  • WotsAllThisThen

    What, nobody on British TV blamed the left for their inflammable rhetoric?

  • PubOption

    Other reports have included a Sikh temple among the help points.

  • Bill D. Burger

    The Daily Mail? WTF___Eric Fraize, right-wing astrologer and psychic (they exist), and friend to Glenn Beck (been on Beck’s show many times) must have been their unimpeachable source. Right?
    He’s sort of the Jeanne Dixon meets Simon Cowell meets Charles Stanley psychic to racists everywhere.
    http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/salemnews.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/dd/ddda6a97-fc18-5ac4-92ee-45b39a69089b/53e5579110743.image.jpg

  • Jenny

    Well it is a good thing this will never happen here because american contractors never take the unsafe route and use subpar materials or untrained workers to install it.

    Lol just kidding. It is a miracle Trump hasn’t outlawed those bossy fire inspectors!

  • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

    I mentioned it yesterday – reading the details about this reminded me of the fire at the MGM Grand back in 1981. Very similar situation – lax fire codes (at the time, casinos did not need to have sprinklers in areas occupied 24 hours a day – the restaurant where the fire started was one of those areas until recently), poor maintenance, poor safety (the smoke dampers were not of good quality, and the stairwell doors were designed to lock automatically), and poor quality building materials (the fire propagated due to cheap glue and plastics, which also caused toxic smoke). End result – over 80 dead, mostly from suffocation due to smoke.

    • Pilotshark

      a reason why i very seldom take a room above the 7th floor. as that is about max for a latter truck.

  • Grumpy Twat

    Once again Theresa May has shown real leadership by not talking to the victims
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-st-distraught-grenfell-tower-10627356

  • Crystalclear12

    The Daily Mail – the best bird cage liner in the business.

    • Bill D. Burger

      Fumes from the cheap ink could be poisonous. Careful!

    • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

      What has any bird done to deserve that rag as a liner?

  • Sister Suffragette

    I have an instant crush on Mick the Firefighter.

    • Wherever you are crispymick there will be a pint of your choice waiting mate.

  • There was a sprinkler contractor in California in the 60’s or 70’s who, to save money on his job, just fastened sprinkler heads to the ceiling tiles without running any plumbing supply lines at all. Oh yeah, his contract was for installing the sprinkler system IN A SCHOOL.

    He did, in fact, go to jail.

    • VirginiaLady

      Very recently a state facility outsourced some new buildings. The cheap bastards installed a million dollars worth of computerized sprinkler systems. They then hooked up sprinkler heads to pipes that went no where. Not a single connection to a water source. Supposedly it has been fixed for another few million bucks. True story.

      • The lowest bidder’s are creative like that.

    • Mysterious Masked Wrestler

      Upvoted cause he went to jail.

  • Marion in Savannah

    OT, but it’s really worth taking a look at Sen. Al Franken taking a nominee for a post on the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals apart like a cheap watch:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdvNBw56K28

    • gratuitous

      “Uhm, er, no, Senator, I’m not saying that.” “What are you saying?”

    • ariel_gee_398

      Now I know the answer to the question: What does it look like when a Circuit Court nominee shits his pants during questioning?

      • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

        Um I refuse to answer if World Nut Daily is credible.

        • ariel_gee_398

          “I wasn’t making a determination as to their credibility, I was just presenting their ideas so that others could form an opinion.” Jesus christ any decent lawyer could spit that out.

    • everstar

      That’s one of my senators! I wish he were on all the committees.

      • Marion in Savannah

        I can’t BEGIN to tell you how jealous I am of you…!

        • everstar

          I’m extremely lucky in my representatives, and I make sure to vote for them every time they’re up. I need to do more, too.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      Racist motherfucker squirming like a big racist motherfucker being taken apart by a smart, relentless Senator. A beautiful sight!

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      So, since he’s a racist, birther-nonsense spewing moron who can’t defend himself because he knows he’s in the wrong, and who lacks all sense of credibility, can we assume the repukes will vote unanimously to confirm him?

      • Marion in Savannah

        Yep.

      • guppy06

        Hell, how do you think he got nominated to begin with?

    • Persistent Demme

      Look at Franken taking down your herp-a-derp bullshit, Bush!
      Slow enough for you?
      I ask, cause you look super nervous.

    • arglebargle

      Heard this on NPR this morning. Giant of the Senate.

      • calliecallie

        And that voice! Like honey.

      • Marion in Savannah

        That’s the next book I get for my Kindle.

    • As grandma would say: “Know how ya avoid having to wish you didn’t blog shit? Don’t blog shit.”

    • guppy06

      Woah! Trump appointed a birther?!

      • Marion in Savannah

        This would actually surprise you? Oh, Padawan…

        • guppy06

          Didn’t we all agree that Trump settled the matter?

        • desida

          What surprises me is that Trump appointed anyone. Doesn’t he have more important things to do with his time, like compose more tweets on the toilet about how mean everyone on Earth is being to him?

  • I like that Corbyn is pushing the gov’t to reclaim empty homes in the area to rehouse the people affected by this shitshow

  • DainBramage

    I served as fire warden at a place I use to work. We were issued an orange vest, flashlight and whistle and given a morning of training.
    One day, the fire alarm goes off, as sometimes happens. We have no way to know if this is an unscheduled drill, if someone burned their microwave popcorn or whether the building is really on fire. I’m covering my part of our office, making sure everyone’s out, but a High Muckety-Muck is on their phone and refuses to leave. The siren is blaring, so how they kept a conversation going is beyond me. Two other people who worked for said HMM are standing around the HMM’s office, dithering. I tell them to get out now, give the HMM a final glare and made sure the rest of the office is clear. On the way out, I tell one of the building managers that we had someone refuse to leave and where they were.

    • Marion in Savannah

      We had a similar situation where I used to work. The upshot was that the entire building failed the fire drill, and the firemen reamed out the boss who wouldn’t leave. Yay firemen!

      • DainBramage

        Some people are too important for themselves.

        • Marion in Savannah

          Well, it was a doctor. (Some of them seem to think that MD stands for Magnificent Divinity…)

      • That’s the sort of situation where, in a real fire, you’d think “well, the people you’re talking to will hear you burn to death.”

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    Trust me on this one: Dailymail, The sun etc dont deserve attention just as much as you don’t report on the Breitbart point of view.

  • Ricky Gay

    Up to code??!!? Socialists!

  • TJ Barke

    Free market! Those dead people will now know not to rent in buildings built by this construction company!

    • DainBramage

      Personal Responsibility!

  • Grumpy Twat

    Have we heard from the televangelists yet? They must know God’s purpose here.

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      Ghey’s bad. Bathrooms place for sexxxiness.

    • jesterpunk

      It might be George Soros’ fault with a little help from the gays and liberals.

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      God disapproves of structures that reach into his heavenly abode. And brown people. But mostly the structures.

  • everstar

    Even if the fire did start from that guy’s fridge, how is it his fault? What if he couldn’t afford a new, safer fridge? Call me naive, but I somehow don’t think he was sitting in his apartment cackling over possibly setting the building on fire.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      You missed the key fact, that he’s either black or Muslim or possibly both. That’s why it’s his fault. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f4fadfc909ac4d557ef1b55c1d22e257a90123c77a59ca2e155e428edd7a2d45.jpg

      • everstar

        I always forget that I need to take completely irrelevant facts into account. Thanks for reminding me.

    • BosGrl

      My apartment came with the fridge. I suspect that if I bought a new one, it would have to stay here when I leave. So… not buying a new fridge.

      • everstar

        Yeah, I didn’t think of that.

      • javadavis

        If you want a new (EDIT – or need) fridge and the apartment won’t supply one store the old one (unplugged and cleaned out they make a nice bug-resistant food storage locker, a bit bulky, but still) and make sure to keep the receipt for your new fridge. Get your name on it somewhere to be double sure. Even slumlords *should* have a difficult time stealing your appliance from you when/if you move if you have the receipt. (might even keep it in a plastic envelope somewhere inside it)

        • BosGrl

          Hmmm

    • Mysterious Masked Wrestler

      Hell, how would you know your fridge is a fire hazard? My fridge is a wreck, but I never once thought it could be dangerous.

    • cmd resistor

      Plus doesn’t seem like a fridge fire should have taken out that whole building.

  • OddMan

    The put that fucking highly flammable cheap cladding on the outside of the building, it does work as a sun/wind/heat block but they have to install it correctly and it needs to be fireproof, plus no sprinklers required? As an old engineer I cringe at this type of error, it all could have been prevented.

    • Rick Hill

      This is what so many idiots don’t realize, there are numbers behind every regulation and those numbers are people’s lives

      • Regulations = Safety. Got it✓

        • r m reddicks

          Yes we’d like to be safe from our local predators in the form of corporations. We’d prefer that our water be drinkable and air be decent. Our dear friends on the right wish to be safe from near to non-existent non-white non-christian terrorists. I wonder what the side by each total is?

  • Fartknocker

    As your boring resident Fire Officer in that liberal bastion called Austin we’re very cognizant of what happened in the UK and has been a problem in the UAE and its Exterior Metal Cladding (EMC). Not to get to technical but EMC is great when it’s properly installed AND the building is sprinklered. The issue with the London fire is that EMC was installed in a nonsprinklered, public housing project which was a 40 year old building which according the Charter Fire Officers Association (the UK equivalent of the International Association of Fire Chiefs based in D.C.) had numerous unprotected vertical penetrations in floors. EMC is an insulating wall system that uses expanded polystyrene, which is about 4 carbon-hydrogen molecules from becoming a liquid with energy equivalent to gasoline.

    Also, the UK and most of the EU hasn’t embraced fire sprinklers like in US and Canada because they’ve always relied on compartmentalizing building. The problem with that strategy is we all live in houses filled with plastics, not with hay wrapped in cotton or burlap.

    Finally, the fire apparently started in a black man’s apartment by an appliance malfunction. It’s dickish and disingenuous to blame an appliance fire on the fault of person, and then add race to further postulate an already shit theory.

    • Well, daily mail. Dickish and disingenuous are like strong points.

      • H0mer0

        [features, not bugs]

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      Plus an unseen upfist for code enforcement.

    • La forza del resistino

      I have never seen a fire where flames were present in every window of a 25 story bldg. Surprised anyone survived.

      • BosGrl

        My nephew told me yesterday that maybe it was terrorism and there was a terrorist on every floor starting a fire. This kid watches a lot of Fox News. I’m working on the younger nephew but I think this one is brainwashed forever… :(

        • javadavis

          Any chance of getting him to actually think anything through? Like ask him to explain how that coordination would work out for any firestarters or maybe get him to notice that the fire marshall (whatever the brit version is) has experience and knowledge and no reason to lie…
          No kids myself, but I have heard others talk about training their kids up to think before leaping INTO the fire.
          Get him a poster from these guys:
          https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/
          The introduction to actual logic might impact him.
          A slim hope, but without actual public education we should start somewhere, and seems to me that start should include training in spotting lies and bs and countering it.
          If he actually reads (as a fox watcher, who knows) you might gift him any Al Franken book. And good luck.
          I just use the website to look up logical fallacies on occasion, No relation, not spam – am I worrying too much here?

          • BosGrl

            Oh my God, I love Logical Fallacy poster!! Thanks! His birthday is next month. He’s too young for the newest Al Franken book (because language – I’m just the aunt, not the mom). I have been talking to both nephews about making sure they have facts to back them up. I also said that the UK has a lot of experience with terrorism and, as you said, would have no reason to lie. I love him but I can only challenge him so far without stepping on toes. My dad challenges him, too, so maybe some of it will sink in.

          • javadavis

            All you can do is what you can do. I had a niece that I lost to, basically, she wanted to do whatever (whoever) she wanted but she didn’t want to risk her boyfriend or mother finding out. We gave it our best, but she made her own choice in the end. The best I can say about our efforts to help her grow up is that at least she had a choice to make.

          • BosGrl

            I’m so sorry. The pain is forever.

          • javadavis

            Thank you. I had to move on (it was a decade ago, I had things to do) but I do think back sometimes and wonder if there was a way to get her to be a mensch that I didn’t think to try. Her mom likes her this way as she is easier to control, so no support there. Alas,
            Here’s hoping your situation works out better.

        • Wild Cat

          That is horrible. I can see old paranoiacs, but: What appeal could Fox “News” have to any child?

          • guppy06

            Lots of colors and dramatic music.

            Also, depending on age and sexual orientation, legs.

          • Pisto75666

            Oddly, that’s the exact reason it appeals to some grown-up children also, too.

          • BosGrl

            There’s more: He wants to go into real estate. He’s very smart and a pretty smooth talker for 14.

        • cmd resistor

          This is why we can’t have nice civil discourse.

      • Jamoche

        Not outside of newsreels older than my parents, anyway.

        • javadavis

          Triangle Shirtwaist was only three stories, wasn’t it?
          Modern ingenuity, how do they do it?

    • javadavis

      So the EMC is some sort of after-market insulation? Wow, lets save some money on utilities but make our building a huge chimney. Ever see a rocket stove in action? I actually have only seen them on you-tube. Like this, for example.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmDYUrVHPWc

      • Fartknocker

        Not to sound all Amurican or MAGA but EMC was driven by the energy codes. The idea is all of that high-rise building surface area is a great conductor of heat. By insulating it and designing it to reflect the energy away from the building, it can lower the required amount of energy required to cool or heat a building, which in turn reduces CO2 emissions if your power plant is fueled by coal or natural gas.

        • javadavis

          Thank you, I appreciate updates – especially on actual data.
          It kind of sounds like the energy codes neglected to make a call back to safety, as in – ‘put up this insulation, but if you cannot afford the connected/required safety measures then here is how you walk your building from “not up to code” to “up to code” without jeopardizing resident safety’ – you know, as if any legislation would do that.
          Laws seem to usually say ‘do it this way. period’ without taking into account that there is a safe path to that and a cheap path.
          Anyway, this is new to me. The boring resident Fire Guy’s post just reminded me of this thingy – which is actually another fuel efficiency device with many cost-and-materials options.

      • ZangoCrudmonger

        http://www.tech-faq.com/venturi-effect.html
        Unfortunately the venture effect was used by traffic engineers on our freeways way back when, iirc. We now call these areas bottlenecks.

        • javadavis

          Traffic engineers did that? On purpose? Why?
          There are also some vids out there, by the way, for people who heat with wood stoves on making a version of the ‘rocket stove’ that channels the exhaust through a metric crap ton of rock so that you get a “rocket mass heater”. Get the fire going with a lot less wood, use the exhaust to heat the rocks up and they hold the heat for you.
          The first time I heard of something like this was in the 70s, when this old man i knew told me about what he called a Russian fireplace. The rock mass is the facing around the fireplace and, as near as I could tell, the fire exhausts through one or more little chimneys running through it. It heats the rock facing up and seems to be the same idea except that you cannot sit on it.

    • Tovarish Z

      But do they require fire alarms? Apparently there were none or they malfunctioned.

  • guppy06

    Can’t find the answer right now: would it be that guy’s refrigerator, or the apartment’s refrigerator?

    • javadavis

      I was wondering the same. Those things are said to be a major cause of house fires. Toasters come in pretty high, too, but cheaper to replace when they get old and unreliable.

      • guppy06

        You can also just replace bits and pieces of refrigerators (in this case the compressor, if it really was the catalyst to begin with), if you can be bothered.

        But you’d think public housing would include some of the appliances necessary to make a place livable. Laundry could be offloaded to a common laundry room in the building, and I could see scrimping on a dishwasher because fuck the poors, but we’re getting into food safety here…

        • Jamoche

          You’ve put “public housing” and “livable” in the same sentence.

          • guppy06

            Well, I’m trying to keep in mind Europe exists in some sort of alternate dimension.

    • BosGrl

      Right. If it’s public housing, likely the fridge came with the apartment?

    • Lily412

      My thoughts exactly. Every apartment I’ve ever lived in had its own fridge, therefore, maintained by the building.

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      The poor have refrigerators?????

    • harryr

      in the UK public housing generally comes unfurnished. Probably his fridge.

  • The Wanderer

    I am thankful for the people observing Ramadan who labored to help their neighbors escape. Peace and blessings upon them.

    • Oblios_Cap

      Mubarak Ramadan, indeed.

      • guppy06

        “Mubarak?” NOBAMMMAAAAAAAAAA!!!1!!

    • Sister Suffragette

      My first, irreverent thought was: thank Allah that the Muslims in that building were more observant than my Muslim husband is. :)

  • clubseal

    I won’t need context at all; I want “Nope … not in your shitrag” on my tombstone.

    • Suttree

      “Don’t even start my funeral pyre with that shitrag!”

  • Alice Wilde

    I heard it’s polyethylene cladding. Also not just no sprinklers also no alarms!

    • Grumpy Twat

      There was some talk, yesterday, that there were no alarms and sprinklers to avoid mass evacuation and setting the sprinklers off every time someone’s toaster set the smoke alarms off.

      • Alice Wilde

        Sounds plausible.

    • cmd resistor

      I kept reading that they re-did the cladding within the last year but with something that was flammable for some technical reason I forget, but something to do with the core. Also read several times that residents were told that if there was a fire they should remain in place for a certain amount of time….

      • Teecha

        Polystyrene apparently.

    • jaspersdad

      Aluminium composite with polyethylene core panels have been blamed for the fast spread fires in other skyscrapers. The worst was Shanghai, 50 people died. Australia had a near miss a couple of years ago and the Dubai fire in 2015.

  • “Well no wonder! Their zip codes all fucked up”
    https://media0.giphy.com/media/grHC6ohSYC4N2/giphy_s.gif

  • Bill D. Burger

    ot…but another conflagration of sorts:
    A pilot is seriously injured after a blimp crashed while flying over the U.S. Open golf tournament in Erin, Wisconsin, on Thursday.
    The dirigible deflated before bursting into flames.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64r3hy0hsho
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syfxvtKWNLs

  • theblackdog

    Now I’m seeing they’re trying to blame this fire on someone’s fridge?

    • Ωbjectifier

      That’s a pretty common fire cause. Keep your coils clean!

    • Indivisible Snark Tank

      No, they’re trying to imply that it was the blah guy’s fault for having a fridge.

    • harryr

      It seems to have been an electrical fault in a fridge, but that is still hearsay. But the fire should have been contained in the flat, if not the room, in which it started. That is what usually happens, even in high-rises. Clearly something went catastrophically wrong.

      • sw19covfefe

        The new outside cladding, it seems, is/was not fireproof.

  • Suttree

    As a former sprinkler fitter, there are weird laws that allow certain buildings to be grandfathered in. Just looking at this building I would imagine that it was built in the 70’s and should have been up to code. (but I am American and really don’t know what British fire codes are)

    • BosGrl

      Can’t you retrofit buildings with sprinklers? Who would want to live in a high-rise without them except people who have no choice and are told where they can live?

      • Suttree

        Yes and of course! I have worked on 300 year old buildings in the French Quarter. But most of those buildings were already grandfathered. They just installed sprinkler systems for the tax break, and insurance costs.

        • Suttree

          So multiply that by every 14 feet of space not counting obstructions.

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        in florida, condo associations regularly turn them down, cause – I’m told – retrofit=$$$.

        • Suttree

          They ain’t cheap. Last time I worked on them they were $175 per head. And that is down from the top of the market when they were $275 per head.

          • Suttree

            So multiply that by every 14 feet of space not counting obstructions. oops replied to myself in the wrong comment.

    • harryr

      Built in the 60s. The problem seems to be the re-cladding last year, though. And the codes exist, and on paper are good, but do not seem to have been followed properly.

      • Suttree

        Thank you!

    • sw19covfefe

      That’s my understanding too on older buildings, also that it’s relatively simple (but not necessarily cheap) to fit dry/wet risers.
      http://www.bafsa.org.uk/sprinkler-information/legislation.php
      However, seeing as they increased the density of the housing in that block, it should surely have been part of the overall expansion/retrofit works, at least in/connected to the new units.

  • Since they are British people and not Americans they might even require that the buildings be brought up to code!

    Yeah, we’ve already moved on from yesterday’s shooting. Old news. Today is national lobster day!

    • therblig

      as long as we have probable claws.

      • Wild Cat

        Don’t get into a roe about this shit.

        • Toomush_Inferesistance

          That was awfully fishy…

        • Indivisible Snark Tank

          Ah, another tail to tell….

  • Vincent Ricola

    @crispymick is a goddamn hero.

    • OrG

      And a poet!

  • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

    They always have to blame it on someone:

    http://www.mamalisa.com/images/non_ml_images/olearys_cow.gif

    • BadKitty904

      Please note that the cat on the left is shocked – SHOCKED, I say!

      • calliecallie

        That made me take a closer look at your avatar. Did you update your avatar? It looks madder than it used to.

        • BadKitty904

          It’s been getting madder and madder since last November. I haven’t touched it.

        • jowgajen

          That’s the same sweet, grumpy kitty as always. Don’t you just want to boop that nose?

          • BadKitty904

            No booping! NO BOOPING!!1!

    • Oblios_Cap

      Cows – a public menace.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      Oh sure, blame it on the black cow.

    • One cold night while we were all in bed
      Ol’Mrs. Leery left her lantern in her shed
      and when the cow kicked it over, she wunk her eye and said
      It’ll be a hot time in the old town to niiiiiggghhhttt

    • MynameisBlarney

      Cow farts?

    • Kateaux

      Obviously, it was the cat’s fault.

      • BadKitty904

        HEY!!!

  • Suttree

    Well I am certainly glad that i pushed through the pain and made it to the liquor store before reading this.

    • BadKitty904

      You may need a straw.

      • Suttree

        I’m not going to snort it!

        • DainBramage

          How about an IV?

          • Suttree

            If only. :) I wouldn’t have to take Pepcid twice a day.

  • Bill D. Burger

    Sorry…sketchy source (new satire site) and I should have checked it out more thoroughly.
    I wuz’ punked! rotfl

    • BadKitty904

      Like that fat bastard knows which end the bullet comes out of…

    • harryr

      “We’ve all become very familiar with what terrorists look like”. In this case, an elderly white man. Thanks for the tip.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      Pro-tip: When sliding into home plate, try to slide on your non-holstered side.

    • jesterpunk

      What the actual fuck, shut the hell up you stupid fucking orange shitgoblin.

    • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

      Oh Donnie, please do start carrying. Given your appallingly low level of intelligence and competence, I have no doubt the only person you could successfully shoot would be yourself.

      BTW, why a Glock? Why not an S&W or a Ruger? Glock is a foreign made gun – shouldn’t you be encouraging folks to Buy American?

      • jesterpunk

        Glock is the only gun company he knows and couldnt be bothered to even ask Uday and Qusay for names of some other gun companies.

      • javadavis

        He prolly thinks that “Glock” sounds cool, like the sound of pulling back the hammer or something.

    • javadavis

      Yeah, we all know what terrorists look like! Like this:
      http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2015/news/150921/ted-bundy-01-800.jpg
      Oh, nono, wait …
      Like this!
      https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/ryan_bundy_getty.jpg?quality=90&w=650&h=400
      See? How could you miss that in a crowd?
      Gawd, what a putz.

  • Vincent Ricola
    • Oblios_Cap

      WTF is he babbling about now?

      • I think he saw that youtube vid of hillz pouring bleach on a computer and mallet smashing and thought it was real?

    • wait. Is THAT what John MCCain was trying to lay the ground work for?
      And what destroyed with hammer?

      • Vincent Ricola

        When people get new phones, they often smash the old ones with hammers (or run them over with their car or something else destructive) to make sure no one grabs the data. I’ve done it 5 times with my current company and countless other times in other companies. According to the wingnut faction, that means I was hiding the evidence of my nefarious deeds like a common Killary.

        • Are we there yet?

          Except, in HRC’s case, it is federal policy to destroy the old phone when you get a new one.

          • Vincent Ricola

            Yes. Just like many other people that deal in sensitive or corporate information. It’s a very common thing.

          • So something everyone in the world does, but because she did it, she is evil.
            Got it!

          • Vincent Ricola

            Always.

          • javadavis

            I think the corollary is that if there is something that everyone in the world does (and when they do it, it is a good thing) then Hillary is evil because someone somewhere in the Beltway Bubble said that she might have done the same.
            Has anyone put together, on the web, the list of Clinton laws and corollaries? Like Murphy’s Law (anything that can go wrong, will) or Cole’s Law (finely sliced cabbage – with dressing)
            I cannot Google it, because I’ll just get a list of loony conspiracy theories about, mostly, Hillary.

          • Suttree

            I like you new person. Stick around for the dick jokes.

          • javadavis

            Yeah, sorry about the private setting. I’m afraid our locals might find out what I really think. The farmers I can deal with, but the cops – they’re murder. (Apologies to Sirius Black)

          • Suttree

            No problem! We have just had an influx of new people and I like to tell the good ones to hang out for a while.

          • javadavis

            Thanks! I’ve been floating around Wonkette for a bit now (a couple months? Probably a bit more) but you weren’t to know because I am a big chicken and changed my setting to private.
            I sincerely appreciate the vote of ‘good one’.

          • I think it safe to say, if a Clinton did it, it is bad.

          • javadavis

            Yean, Tom Brady did it. I don’t hear Trump bitching about that. And he did it while his cell phone data was (potentially? scheduled?) to be subpoenaed.
            Again, IOKIYAR

          • laineypc

            Isn’t there some kind of Department of Gubment Phone Murdering so that you don’t leave anything to chance on that? I mean I realize that murdering a phone is small potatoes for Killary, so maybe she got special dispensation to do it herself?

        • alpacapunchbowl

          Sorta OT, back in the day my sister once accidentally ran over her Nokia phone with her car (don’t ask) The screen was mostly unreadable but the phone. still. worked.

          • Vincent Ricola

            Those old school Nokias were beasts. We got my clumsy dad a flip one and it was indestructible.

    • MynameisBlarney

      I think this is what Terminal Derpocity looks like.

      • ariel_gee_398

        Spaceball I has gone the plaid.

        • ZangoCrudmonger

          All we have on the Wonkette is a quisinart.

    • ariel_gee_398

      Jesus fuck. Because they weren’t trading favors for electoral ratfucking, for a start.

    • BadKitty904
    • DesertedPictures

      He does know that people chose him because people believed those lies, right?

      Or: in other words. Let’s pretend for a moment that Trump and all his voters where right all along. Hillary was a horrible traitor that dealt with Russia and should be in e-mail prison for letting herself be hacked. Wouldn’t you be pretty pissed off if you found out that you voted for het opponent (to prevent someone like that from gaining power) that went on to do even worse things?

      • You missed the memo.
        They are totally ok with it from Trump and Co.
        Because reasons.

        • DesertedPictures

          Damn… always miss these things. Reasons! Of course!.

          Lock her up!

          • Reasons are the reasons for the reasons.
            On the one hand it makes trying to drum up a modicum of care or sympathy for these idiots really difficult.
            On the other, their amazingly simplistic predictability make them that much less surprising.

          • baconzgood

            Seems reasonable.

        • Suttree

          Racism and rape among those reasons.

    • baconzgood

      He found his phone. Maybe the staff should hide it better.

      • Covfefe

        Some people say that Volodya supplies Donald with burner phones. One tweet and Donald throws it away.

    • Ryan Denniston

      Because it’s a conspiracy and everyone is out to get you.

  • Oblios_Cap

    I figured that this building was not up to code and that it didn’t have a sprinkler system. No building should go up that fast. Heads will roll, and so they should.

    • jowgajen

      Absolutely no way it was up to code. Mention this morning that there were recently installed gas lines in the stairwells that should have been, but were not yet, encased in a fireproof soffit.

      • javadavis

        Incomplete but already in use? Whoa, if true. Also, quelle surprise.

    • Grumpy Twat

      A few lowly heads will roll. Nothing more. Everything else will be a cover up. The public enquiry will be allowed to drag on until it’s no longer in the news then nothing will happen. The right wing press know which messages to put out.
      http://zelo-street.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/grenfell-tower-press-failings-ignored.html

      For an example see the Hillsborough disaster which took 27 years to get the truth out. The Sun is still boycotted in Liverpool.
      http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/all-about/hillsborough-inquests

    • Kakariki

      It’s actually not a new building; it was built in 1974.

      They just completed a “refurbishment” last year. The $10 million job apparently included a central heating system, new residence units in the lower levels, new windows and an “updated” exterior. That exterior seems to be what caused the fire to spread so quickly.

      I was watching the BBC live coverage the morning of the fire and heard something that I haven’t heard mentioned again. They said the refurbishment had something to do with the building’s proximity to Kensington Aldridge Academy, the school nearby. I have no idea why that would be if they weren’t doing improvements to make it safer.

    • Tovarish Z

      At the very least, you would think the building would have a fire alarm system that would be checked every year or so.

      • Teecha

        People sleep through fire alarms.

        Source- me sleeping through the very loud one in my block of flats this past November.

  • BadKitty904

    Any word on whether the Queen will send the owner to the Tower?

    • Bill D. Burger

      He should be sentenced to live in what remains of the Grenfell Tower.

      • BadKitty904

        The (Moral) Hunchback of the Grenfell Tower… I like it!

      • Indivisible Snark Tank

        Trump Taj Mahal has a few (thousand) empty rooms.

    • Suttree

      Trump Tower is worse than beheading.

      • BadKitty904

        Well, I meant the Tower of London, but yes, that, too.

        • Suttree

          I know! I am just being a snarky fucker. :)

    • Kakariki

      The building is on a council estate, so it is government owned housing.

      • BadKitty904

        It’s the Star Chamber for him, then.

      • proudgrampa

        omg.

  • baconzgood

    I like Mick. He can be my friend.

    • Suttree

      There is a reason that I do not have many friends. Most people are not like Mick.

      • baconzgood

        You are. Shan has a crush on you.

        • I know someone she has another crush on, or three ^.^

        • Suttree

          Hehe! I have a crush on her also, too! You are a lucky man Mr. Baconzgood.

  • proudgrampa

    “Not in your shitrag.” Mick, are you a Wonketteer?

    • Kiri the Unicorn

      If not, would you like to be?

  • laughingnome

    Don’t buy the Sun
    YNWA

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Someone get Mick a Disqus account (unless he’s already here of course!)

  • Bill D. Burger

    Oh …. My …. God. Agent Orange is at it again. Just can’t let it go.
    rotflmao
    17 mins ago

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/875441788110110727

    • proudgrampa

      This guy just can’t STFU, can he???

      • WotsAllThisThen

        Please proceed, Mr Under Investigation.

        • oooo someone twit that at the twit. PLEASE

        • proudgrampa

          I will give you 1000 virtual upvotes for that!!!

      • Bill D. Burger

        He just cannot help himself. And no one there can stop him.
        rotfl

    • WotsAllThisThen

      Of course she used bleach. How else can you get all that Benghazi blood out of emails?

    • Bill D. Burger
      • jowgajen

        Oooh, oooh! I know, I know. They aren’t elected officials. What do I win???

        • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

          or they didn’t have “dealings?

      • BadKitty904

        Because you’re a pathological liar and a traitor? Is this some kind of trick question?

      • Vincent Ricola

        Muller’s going to be you’re fired by the end of the week. He can’t help himself.

        • Bill D. Burger

          Truly, I just don’t doubt it any longer. They will never be able to stop him.

          • laineypc

            What terrifies me is if he does, and Republicans do nothing. That means the nightmare is real and we are going to a very very dark place. Although didn’t I read that he doesn’t have authority to fire him, only DOJ does, and they have to show cause. Good god I wonder what insane cause Trump’s handlers will come up with.

          • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

            Let him do it. It will be a bridge too far. Oh, and no healthcare destroying bills will become law.

    • Persistent Demme

      Donald, Your desperation is showing!

    • alpacapunchbowl

      Ho-lee fuck. This fuckin’ guy.

    • Wild Cat

      O Christ! This motherfucker just got his Preparation H rant mixed up with his most recent talk with his consigliere.

      • Bill D. Burger

        lmao: This is like a serial killer using the “But they killed even more peeps!” defense.

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      “had husband meet w/AG”

      you know what i’m going to say:
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f22b516e8b28152cd617c90083d31c2ca463d1681b594bdbda50023eef12e649.png
      Also, apparently destroying phones is a directive from the gubbiment to prevent LEAKS or HACKS
      bleached emails, I don’t even know what that means.

      • Zippy W Pinhead
        • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

          So, this bit o’ bleach is almost a year old and he’s tweeting about it today. Get a job, Twitler. Seriously. A job. That keeps you busy. Apparently Leader of the Free World frees up waaaaay too much of your time.

      • cmd resistor

        The bleach thing, I don’t know what it means, either, but it’s some phrase he picked up long ago based on some distorted understanding of something, and won’t let go, even though he looks stupid every time he brings it up.

    • Ryan Denniston

      Agent Orange to the rubber room, STAT!

    • BadKitty904
    • OrG

      Change his diaper and give him a bottle.

    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      If your phone has critical info you can bang a hammer as much as you want, the incriminating info will get out, Douche.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        actually, it’s SOP for phones with sensitive info, nothing unusual at all- in fact it’s required when you retire an old phone to physically destroy it

        • William Cook

          Hammer seems insufficient. Should do what the local law enforcement does with it’s confiscated drugs and firearms here, throw them into a 2000° slag furnace.

          • John Resistant Tovarich Smith

            Or take them home? More than one gun or bindle of dope has made it back to the streets.

          • William Cook

            *Officially does

            Thank you. :)

            As an aside, what if drug dealers actually worked out of bindles? The mental image amused me a moment.

          • John Resistant Tovarich Smith

            I am an oldz!

          • William Cook

            I have massive hamfist hands. Even on a phablet my typing is innacurate, to understate. I wouldn’t have even mentioned it if it hadn’t been for the mental image.

          • John Resistant Tovarich Smith

            No problem.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            the right wing would just scream even louder…

          • William Cook

            Sure, but a silver lining of the Trump era is not giving a fuck about riling up the deplorables.

        • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

          Shredding it works better than a hammer. Just sayin’

    • BadKitty904
    • ariel_gee_398

      I’m glad he has nothing better to do at 4 pm on weekday than ragetweet. I wonder what segment on Fox prompted this little outburst. I never thought I’d say this, but can’t we just send him out to golf every fucking day?

      • cmd resistor

        He must have taken off early, kind of “comp time” since he worked late last night going to the hospital to see Scalise and the capitol cop.

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      “bleached emails”?

      • Rick Hill

        I’d say he thinks it means really really erasing them. Uses the same eye bleach interwebs useser have to use when they see leather ammosexual.

      • MizzMazz

        It’s a way of not just deleting files, but obliterating them. Even so, a really good forensic computer person could probably reconstruct them. You can get Bleach Bit for free – I have it but haven’t felt the need to use it…yet.

  • alpacapunchbowl

    I like Mick even more knowing that he’s crispy.

  • Ryan Denniston

    Funny, when I first read that picture, I read ammunition, not accommodation.

  • baconzgood

    If only it was a Muslim. Daily Mail would have jizzed it’s pants.

  • proudgrampa

    I LIKE MIKE! (I LICK MICK???!!!???WHOOAAAA!)

  • Zippy W Pinhead
    • ariel_gee_398

      It’s not his fault, the black lady just made him nervous.

    • BadKitty904

      Perjury again.

      • Indivisible Snark Tank

        Naw, he said he didn’t believe he had met with anyone. He believed he was meeting with the man who wrote those 50 Shades of Grey books….but he was mistaken (and they were written by a woman, but don’t tell him that women are allowed to write books — it’ll freak him out!).

        • BadKitty904

          It’s not a matter of faith, Dobby – what you ‘believe’ doesn’t enter into it. Either you met with them or you didn’t.

      • Bill D. Burger
    • OrG

      Umm….. More Perjury! LOCK HIM UP!

      • Bill D. Burger
        • Christopher Story

          Emails! Benghazi! Seth Rich! Whitewater! Clinton Cash! *wharrgarbl* (runs around with hair on fire)

          It just occured to me that all those people setting their hair on fire does correlate to the country burning. Hmmm…

    • The Wanderer

      The specter of perjury begins to loom over the entire Cabinet.

    • laughingnome

      Ah jes cain’t remember when they ask me those quaystions.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        forgot about the dinners with Russian lobbyists he HOSTED

        SMH

    • Silly libtards. It is only perjury when someone got a blow job.
      Otherwise it is a “mistake” or a “misspoke” or a “I forgotted” or a “look, squirrel!!!”

      • Bill D. Burger
        • Marion in Savannah

          That’s a great synopsis of his entire testimony. Well, except for the bits where he told us he didn’t read much or watch news…

        • Indivisible Snark Tank

          Peter Gabriel is a genius.

      • laineypc

        “I did not have conversations (that I remember) with That Man!!!” would that phrasing help at all?

      • John Resistant Tovarich Smith

        “I need to amend my declaration!”

      • William Cook

        In Sessions’ case, the lattermost is exlaimed with the excitement of having decided dinner plans.

    • Bill D. Burger
    • Bill D. Burger

      If they do another remake of ‘Total Recall’ he’s out.

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCTdyvdVwAAqQdp.jpg

      • BadKitty904

        Then you’re obviously too feeble-minded to be Attorney-General of the United States.

    • Fartknocker

      Well I do declare, I must of forgotten about that on my SF-86 form. Lawdy have mercy I must say that those Russian stacking dolls are the pride of my Grandbaby Ida Louise Bordeaux Edwina Rothschild the III, and I don’t recall.

      • Indivisible Snark Tank

        I believe he also consistently forgets the cover sheet on his TPS reports.

  • Ryan Denniston

    Can we trade Mick for Bieber so he can yell at Fox too?

  • sw19covfefe

    This goes right back to Thatcher, selling off council housing – and disenfranchising/barring local councils from replenishing any social housing. Even the previous Labour (Bliar) government did nothing to correct it – just added extra layers of housing associations and patchwork workarounds. In fact they also weakened regulations in the mid 00’s.
    TBH Social housing in the UK has been a mess for generations now. Much as I hate to admit it – this cost-cutting and “not”-for-profit in the open market simply doesn’t cut the mustard. The councils are inefficient (and in the past have let estates literally rot, thus increasing the cost of refurb/reroofing) but they have got a lot better.
    That said, all the ex-council high-rise tower blocks from the 60’s and 70’s are scary as fuck. You simply can’t retrofit alternative means of escape, etc.
    Years ago, I managed a property on the 18th (top) floor of one of those blocks. Scared the fuck out of me, tbh. Mind you, I’m terrified of heights. However, there was one tiny elevator, and one stairwell for the entire block.
    Sounds like they had the same here, but compounded it by adding extra density (more apartments).

    • OrG

      I wasn’t there so I don’t know,but tony blair sounds like a tory to me.

      • Teecha

        He was such a great hope at the start. Lots of things improved after that election. Shame he totally poisoned his legacy with the whole Iraq thing.

    • Angela Ruzzo

      When I lived in Chicago in the 80’s I passed an enormous public housing tower every day on the train. It was surrounded by acres of concrete, which was enclosed by chain-link fencing with barbed wire coils on top. It looked like a prison. I suppose it was a prison. I think they eventually tore it down.

    • Teecha

      Not everything should be run as a business.

  • Bill D. Burger
  • whitroth

    Hey, I’ve got an answer to your headline, KM: does anyone know if the Daily Fail’s owners have invested in the private management company that didn’t do maintenance? In that case, the Daily Fail did the fire….

  • Weird Fishes

    Mick is my hero.

  • sw19covfefe

    Just when I thought the Daily Heil couldn’t get any more gross.

  • Marion in Savannah

    Okay, another OT… The Port of Charleston, SC is a pretty big one. Let’s see what happens when a nut job calls in a nonexistent threat:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/us/port-dirty-bomb-south-carolina.html

    All together now, PISS YOUR PANTS.

    • I loved looking down from the Cooper River bridge and seeing the stacks of huge containers. They looked like teeny tiny toys!

  • memzilla Ω

    O/T: If you thought Twitler was done whining and embarrassing himself and our country — you were wrong.
    . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b1ef17a364c541ef603ce22452ef1f23486414111c46428c76596bbb673323c0.jpg

    • Wild Cat

      “I fart in your father’s beard!”
      —Old Arab Insult

      • jaspersdad

        “I fart in your general direction”

        Some English guy with a bad French accent.

        • Wild Cat

          Ze Holy Grail, Limey, troo?

      • Thiazin Red

        I feel like that would be pretty insulting, much more so than normal farting.

    • Suttree

      Keep talking dumbass!

      • Wild Cat

        “Yeah, I did it. I took Russian money and laundered it! Crooked Hillary couldn’t do that! I fucked on my wife and got anal warts! Did Crooked Hillary? No! I told Comey the Homie that if he was after my con, I’d have his balls in a vise! Yeah, bwahahahaha! Look at him now! So anyone who is accusing me of having bad moral character is a corrupt loser!!!!”

        • Kiri the Unicorn

          “Not to mention the time I sold drugs to schoolkids while disguised as a nun!”

          • thixotropic jerk

            “That were some good shit tho”
            Timmy “Gimme Your Lunch Moneys So’s I Kin Buy The Drugs From This US Precednent What Am Disguised As A Nunnery” O’ One Scoop

    • cmd resistor

      Better to bleach one’s emails than to bleach your weird hair.

      • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

        How about bleaching your mouth Donnie.

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      “non-dealings” — so you are admitting to having contacts?

    • BigCSouthside

      Definitely about to fire Mueller

      • Wild Cat

        4:48 Friday EST?

        • BigCSouthside

          That’s my guess. If he can even be that patient. Rage tweeting mid afternoon is pretty rare for him

          • Wild Cat

            Maybe we should have a Wonkette Raffle on who gets fired when or what third-world country get nuked first?

          • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

            Based on earlier article, my money is on Australia.

          • Rags

            Randy Newman would disagree.
            https://youtu.be/EqBrw3rQvKo

    • Thiazin Red

      The phone thing sounds funny, but destroying work devices when you’re done with them is SOP for sensitive data. The hospital I work in has machine shredders for old computers.

      • wait! what?

        I’ve gleefully “Office Spaced” many a hard drive…

    • Indivisible Snark Tank

      “Ahh, but the strawberries that’s… that’s where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with… geometric logic… that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox DID exist, and I’d have produced that key if they hadn’t of pulled the Caine out of action. I, I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow officers…”

    • Thiazin Red

      Right, innocent people totally act like this.

    • chascates

      Didn’t notice your post before I repeated it!

    • Mehmeisterjr

      No wonder Deputy Huckabee Floral Coach declined to comment. She has no idea what this fuckhead is talking about.

      • Predisenting Ron

        It’s hard to deny it when you don’t know what it is in the first place.

  • laineypc

    There was another fairly bad apartment fire back in ’08 or something and a report saying “somebody ought to have a look-see into this, there’s probably other firetraps waiting to burst into flames”…and everybody agreed it was a good idea, which is where it remains to this day.

    • C4TWOMAN

      That’s appalling! They should have at least convened a committee by now….

      • Mehmeisterjr

        A plenary committee. With authority to select a chairperson unless that proves to be impractical.

  • Saxo the Grammarian
    • The Wanderer

      Not really. The sketch was a satire on the Ronan Point explosion.

      • Kiri the Unicorn

        Too bad Python never did anything about the Windscale fire.

    • Kiri the Unicorn

      It was when this article was posted, but that was hours ago.

    • Rags

      This one is perhaps a bit less macabre…Mystico and Janet build a block of flats…https://youtu.be/1ujRE2IkEIo

  • Crank Tango
  • Suttree

    OT: When I walked to the store earlier I saw a dog that looked like this. Yes I did get licks. I also am a cat person, so the fact that I stopped and pet this puppy says something. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3617507d073b2379ea75f029bfc43a07d6ff3c9ac466d89bae261628c0091603.jpg

    • BadKitty904

      Isn’t that a dingo?

      • Australian cattle dog.

      • Suttree

        Australian Blue Heeler.

        • BadKitty904

          To-MAY-to, po-TAH-to.

        • jaspersdad

          My Sister had one. From the time it was a puppy, it instinctively tried to herd everything. People, horses, you name it.

          • Kateaux

            Shelties will do that too. There is no sight quite like the sight of a pair of Shelties trying to herd a household’s worth of cats.

          • jaspersdad

            Many hours of amusement.

      • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

        It is a killing machine.

      • Wild Cat

        Fucking baby ate my dingo.

        • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

          You win!

      • bookish

        Dingo likely part of the heritage of Australian Cattle Dog/Queensland Heeler/ Blue Heeler (although some are red).

        • BadKitty904

          Dogs, man. Ya know?

    • There is no dog like a good Aussie cattle dog.

      Best dog friend I ever had, miss you Mojo.

      • Suttree

        A friend that I had growing up had an Australian Shepherd that was awesome! I still pet the old ornery cat instead though.

        • We’re about to add a couple of kittens to the menagerie here in a couple of weeks. That’ll make 3 feline kids and 2 canine kids.

          • Suttree

            Yay! I love anermals!

          • Lambsendbeds

            Pfft…amateur! I’ve got 6 kittehs and two Bedlington-Americans. Have fun with the kittens – they’re adorable, though nuts.

          • I think I’ve found a mentor!

      • Fartknocker

        I had a Blue Heeler as a child. What a pleasant companion and guardian. Roscoe was the best.

      • Suttree

        Yay! I still don’t like dogs though.

        • Suttree

          My sister has two chihuahuas and those little yappy fuckers cuddle up on my shoulders and lap. I am always like “NOOOOO, where are the cats!?”.

          • alpacapunchbowl

            It’s debatable that chihuahuas are dogs

          • wait! what?

            I think it’s pronounced chupacabrahuahuas.

          • alpacapunchbowl

            Something about the word chupacabra makes me want to raise my hands in claws above my head and say it in a weird growl voice while waving my claw-hands back and forth.

          • Predisenting Ron

            Interesting. Tell me, do you occasionally have an overpowering urge to suck goats?

          • alpacapunchbowl

            I prefer to ingest goats in birria form.

          • katkelly57

            Wave your chupacabra hands in da air…an wave ’em like you just don’t care….

          • Jerry Noneofyourbizz

            They are rodents.

    • elviouslyqueer

      Here’s ours! His name is Demetrius, and he does his best to keep all our other heathens in line… with decidedly mixed results.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ace12397938fec57e1799d5ca38c13a0eff37bfb2cb391b137541a2ede38cd67.jpg

      • Suttree

        Awwwww! What a cutie pie!

      • chascates

        Is that a catahoula?

        • vivian

          Pretty sure it’s a dogahoula.

          • Roadstergal

            You’ll be here all week?

          • vivian

            Yeah, I’m here all weak.

        • Lambsendbeds

          Australian Cattle dog. Catahoulas are from Louisiana ( Catahoula Leopard Dog – named for their spotted appearance, not because they hunt leopards).

      • Roadstergal

        Aww! I want dog kisses! Ours are living with my half sister in law while we’re in Swissland, and I miss them terribly. Bitches, all of us!

      • proudgrampa

        What a cutie!

    • shivaskeeper

      Cattle Dog.

      • John Resistant Tovarich Smith

        Don’t try to milk him.

        • shivaskeeper

          There is not one I interact with regularly that would allow that. For one thing they would have to stand still. That is not likely to happen as there is always something that needs to herded near them.

    • bookish

      I used to have a Queensland ( or it could have been vice versa). Fantastic dog, so smart, loyal and playful. Always up for mischief and adventure.

    • bookish

      You post reminded me of how smart these Australian Cattle Dogs are. During the time we had Brittany, my mother was in cancer remission and staying with us. My partner said to the dog, “go take care of grandma” and from that time on it was her mission. Every night at 9:00 pm she would try to put my mom to bed. Mom would always say, “I’m not going to bed yet, you pop-eyed goon”. The dog would talk back, and mom would say, “she always has to have the lat word.” Very true.

    • bookish
  • Thiazin Red

    Lets just say for a minute that the man’s fridge was the cause. It would still be on the landlord, since tenants don’t but their own appliances.

    • BadKitty904

      Next, they’ll be blaming his microwave. Oh, wait…

      • alpacapunchbowl

        No, that’s how he received his orders from Barry Bamz to burn the tower down.

        • thixotropic jerk

          Knew it! Thanks O’ Bummer!

    • II Gosala

      Couldn’t have been the fridge. Fridges make cold. Fire’s hot.

      Logic!

    • kaydenpat

      I don’t understand how the Black dude is responsible for his fridge malfunctioning and causing a fire. The Daily Mail has no right to put his photo out there as if he’s a criminal or something.

      • Teecha

        He’s not. The daily fucking mail, as usual, are being racist arseholes.

      • God Emperor Emeritus

        Well I mean I guess they have the right to do it. But that right doesn’t make it not tortuous slander.

    • Perkniticky

      Depends – not all flats are furnished.

      • thixotropic jerk

        And yet all ferns are flattish so go figure– hmmph!

  • chascates
    • shivaskeeper

      Just so everyone is aware, SOP when destroying official sensitive phones, computers, and other electronics is to delete all the data, pass the HD over a big ass magnet, or if you cannot run the HD over a magnet, to physically destroy it in a way to render it unusable. In other words, to smash it with a hammer. No bullshit framing hammer either. 8lb sledge on concrete sort of thing. It would be a good idea to dump the remains into a burn barrel as well. There should be not one byte of data that can be recovered from the device.

      It’s not like the HD is going to be taken to the local recycle point FFS.

      Of course it sounds better to make it seem like this is nefarious.

      • thixotropic jerk

        What a suspishus story! Gotta call FAKE on that one! Another Hi-Lie-Ary Shillery!!!11!1!! /s

      • Perkniticky

        He wants his supporters to imagine crazy old Hillary hammering away at phones. Meanwhile the rest of us are all just wishing he would take a hammer to HIS phone.

        • shivaskeeper

          No. He can’t take a hammer to his phone. His own tweets are helping g to bring him down. His own tweets ate helping to stop his bullshit agenda. FFS, every court that has slapped down his Muslim ban has used his tweets in the ruling. He needs to keep on tweeting.

          • Perkniticky

            I dunno, the Russia scandal is kind of distracting public attention away from the Senate health care bill – that’s not particularly beneficial.

          • shivaskeeper

            There is no bill in the Senate. Oh they are working on something, but right now it’ll still have to go back to the House to be reconciled.Sure there are some maneuvers they can use to avoid that, and they may pull them out, but as it stands right now, there is no chance the House will approve a watered down version of what they passed.

            The GOP has spent almost a decade doing nothing but screaming “No!” at everything. They have been rewarded for failing to compromise pn anything. They don;t know how to do anything else at this point. All they have is “No” and no compromise. Half of them were elected on the promise of crashing the system and burning it all down, they are not going to work within the system to get things done.

          • Perkniticky

            We said there was no chance… and then the House passed their crap bill. So I don’t put anything past the GOP. But we can hope.

          • shivaskeeper

            The House was going to pass something. That was a forgone conclusion. The House passing it was a bad first step. The Senate still needs to come up with something less horrible to placate the “moderates” and the crazies at the same time. Those are mutually incompatible positions to try to appeal to, Unless they pull some bullshit maneuvering, whatever the Senate comes up with has to go back to the House to be reconciled. The House will not compromise, not even with the GOPers in the Senate. Either they get 100% of what they want, or no one gets anything. The pattern has been long established with them.

            If they manage to reconcile it, they take another vote on the reconciled bill. Any changes they make have to be looked at in the Senate again. And on and on.

            They may be able to pull it out. But right now they are to busy infighting and not knowing how to actually govern to get things done.

          • Perkniticky

            It seemed like Ryan pushed their dreadful plan through so quickly in order to get the damn thing off his plate. So is McConnell just trying to do the same thing? They’re playing hot potato with the AHCA?

          • shivaskeeper

            For the most part they ran, got elected, and reelected by running against the ACA. Close to 60 repeal votes when Obama was President knowing full well he would veto a repeal and they didn;t have the super majority needed to override a veto. On all those votees they knew they was no chance for them to succeed. None. It was red meat for the base. It was a way to rile them up some more and keep their seat.

            For 7 years they talked about the great and better plan they had. When DJT got elected and they held on to both houses, they had to come up with something. They spent 7 years telling their base that if the mean nasty Dems weren;t in the way they would have already done this. The never bothered to craft something better since they didn’t think they would have to.

            Of course Ryan pushed this shit pile through. What else have they done? There has been no major legislation, no victories, no nothing when they control all the levers of power.

            McTurtle may try the same way. He does have parliamentary maneuvers he can use to not have to reconcile the Senate plan with the House. I don;t know if he’s willing to sacrifice himself to do it though. If this goes through as written, at leas the House version, 23M + lose insurance. Most of them red state voters. Their constituents will crucify them once they realize they are going to lose out as well, and probably more that the liberals. The Senate has more passably sane members than the House. Not all of them are going to be on board with the plan. The majority is too thin for them to mess around to much.

            I’m not sure what they do from here. It won’t end well for them if they do manage to get this to the President’s desk for signature. They want to be in power more than anything. Repealing the ACA with nothing in it’s place is not the way to do that.

          • Perkniticky

            It seems like they’ve painted themselves into a corner. I wonder how they see it.

          • shivaskeeper

            The smart ones know it. The insane ones? Who knows.

          • Wm Kiernan

            Trump can’t use a hammer on his phone because Trump can’t use a hammer. If he tried to swing it it would go flying out of his tiny hand and land on the big red button on his Presidential desk.

            Then a servant would come in with a Diet Coke on a silver tray.

      • puredog

        “MAGNETS! SCIENCE, BITCH!”

    • kaydenpat

      He sounds so desperate. Secretary Clinton is relaxing in her retirement. You should join her, Donny. You’re not fit to be president.

    • bookish

      Keep tweeting, Donnie. I’m sure law enforcement appreciates the help.

    • Jerry Noneofyourbizz

      Really! Everyone knows that old State Department phones are supposed to be carefully packaged in bubble wrap and sent to the Russian embassy.

    • Mehmeisterjr

      Umm, because you are an ignorant, greedy liar?

      I’m just guessing.

    • SadDemInTex

      Hmmmmm…..the Donald Trump business has been funded by mob money and Russian oligarch/kleptocrat money because no American or European bank/financial institution want to put money into a giant sinkhole of bankruptcies. I’m sure there have been meetings where “I hope” (from these nefarious characters) is in front of various demands. There is no way the Clintons did that.

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      Il Douche still relies on InfoWars for his “facts”, I see.

    • miss_grundy

      When will Hillz hire an attorney and file a lawsuit against this shithead. I don’t care if it is for slander, libel or defamation of character. Perhaps the attorneys who read this blog can tell me if she can file all three and get some money before the government takes his assets dul to his collusion with Russia.

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg
    • kaydenpat

      And any dang person can own a gun — including those with violent backgrounds or diagnosed mental illness. Yesterday, Republicans were about to push through a bill making it easier to buy silencers. If the gunman yesterday had used a silencer, Congress men and women wouldn’t have heard the shots and ducked for safety.

  • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

    They figure out yet how the building caused the fridge to explode? Because that’s the only way the building could have caused the fire. Official incompetence made a bad situation much, much worse, and arguably killed those 17 people (I’d argue that, myself), but the building didn’t start the fire…

    • C4TWOMAN

      In terms of saving people, it doesn’t matter what the cause. Fire alarms and sprinklers would have saved virtually everyone’s lives, except for maybe infirm pensioners on the top floors.

      As for the rest–evil, greedy, cost cutting incompetence.

      • Teecha

        There were many people with mobility issues who lived on high floors in this tower block.

        • C4TWOMAN

          Ah fuckness…

    • There was an apartment fire in a properly-constructed building in my old city. The unit was utterly gutted. There were a couple of adjacent and upper units with heavy smoke damage. Other nearby units had minor smoke damage. The rest of the building was fine. That’s how it goes in a properly constructed building. Therefore, it’s reasonable to say that the cause of the fire was the shoddy construction, because if it hadn’t been for the shoddy construction it wouldn’t have been a fire to make it much past the local news.

      • Mehmeisterjr

        Fire codes, what are they?

        • Biel_ze_Bubba

          Commie socialist job-killing regulations.
          Tenant-killing, on the other hand, is OK.

      • Perkniticky

        I saw a corner apartment in a building in London that was burnt to a crisp, yet the rest of the building was untouched. Proper construction will prevent a fire from spreading. Apparently the new cladding on this one was not fire resistant and helped spread the flames. And that’s not even getting to the issue of alarms and sprinklers.

        • Yeah, exactly. And the SINGLE STAIRWELL OH MY GOD WHO DOES THAT EVEN IN THE ’70s? They’d heard faint rumours of the existance of building fires even then.

          • thixotropic jerk

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e47493a392995adaaaa1e684d656bcc793f0051ee85925dd5886ed09424fb91e.gif problem solved. for purchasing: http://www.butlerparachutes.com/backpack.htm

            (Financial disclosure, I make .55 on every sale but donate a Trumpian portion of my proceeds to the charity “Businessmen Who Did Not Have One Of These Backpack Parachutes When They Really Could Have Used It And Now Regret It.”)

            **Magic Helmet extra

          • Oh, if only.

          • Amy!

            It’s even possible that Londoners knew something about fires in buildings as early as, say, 1666.

          • puredog

            When I bought my 1908 U.S. Craftsman, I remodeled it to include a laundry chute, as it is a large and tall house and the laundry is in the basement. As is my wont, I didn’t bother with such piffling items as building permits. I have now learned that laundry chutes are forbidden, as they essentialyl create chimneys in the middle of the house that would allow a fire to spread much like this one did. But not having to carry all my dirty clothes to the basement will prolong my life, so I see it as a zero-sum game.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        Happened in my previous building: one apartment blowtorched, everything else untouched. Built in 1907, so it’s not exactly high technology that’s needed.

    • John Resistant Tovarich Smith

      In Britain, do landlords supply the refrigerators like most landlords do in America?

      • Angela Ruzzo

        Sometimes yes, sometimes no, but in Council flats they usually do.

    • Angela Ruzzo

      The fridge may have started the fire. The building did not start the fire, and nobody is saying that. The building caused the fire to spread.

      • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

        The fire happened because they built a sub-par building

        The fire got much worse because of the crappy bldg, and the crappy people who allowed it to be so, and hid the facts. Splodey fridge is why it happened to start with.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          It is not confirmed that the fridge started the fire. This is either a guess or a rumor. It is much too early to tell what exactly started the fire. And when they say “the fire happened because…” they are not saying “the fire started because…” – they mean “the fire that consumed the building” instead of being contained to one floor, as it should have been.

          • miss_grundy

            When I first heard about this earlier today, I thought that the fire could have been caused by a gas main break. There was a house on Staten Island that exploded because of a gas main break.

          • Angela Ruzzo

            I had the same thought. I remember several cases in St. Louis when I lived there. St. Louis has thousands of small, brick houses built in the 30’s and 40’s that all have gas furnaces in the basements, and some of the people living in them are occasionally careless, like the lady who set off 60 bug bombs in her basement (gross overkill-1 would have been enough) but forgot to turn the pilot light off in her furnace first. Then there was the guy who went down to the basement to investigate a gas leak and lit a cigarette while he was down there.

  • C4TWOMAN


    Boris Johnson’s ‘Get Stuffed’ Response To Question About London Firefighter Cuts Is Coming Back To Haunt Him

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/grenfell-tower-fire-boris-johnson_uk_594267c2e4b0d31854872fed

    • kaydenpat

      Another Conservative with horrid hair.

      • C4TWOMAN

        IKR? He doesn’t need a costume on Halloween to scare the children….

    • SayItWithOtters

      This seems like a bad couple of weeks for right-wing British politicians needing to defend prior records.

    • miss_grundy

      He needs to be held down and have his head shaved. It would go better with his racist, vulgar self.

  • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

    tRump’s number 1:

    Time in office before a POTUS faced a criminal inquiry into his conduct as POTUS:NIXON: 1,580 daysCLINTON: 1,835 daysTRUMP: 145 days— Ari Melber (@AriMelber) June 15, 2017

    • kaydenpat

      Go Trump, go!! Go and find your way out of the White House!! You don’t belong in there.

      • miss_grundy

        Could someone sing “Born Free” in the background while we cheer Tangerini to leave the White House.

    • thixotropic jerk

      Give him a chance! Give him a chance! Why won’t anybody give him a chance?

    • phoenix00

      HE’S NUMBER ONE!!
      HE’S NUMBER ONE!!
      HE’S NUMBER ONE!!

  • kaydenpat

    “Fridge man” should sue the Daily Mail for that piece of slander. Good to know that the British have their own toxic version of Fox News and that wee’re not the only country afflicted with fake news.

    • Bitter Scribe

      Yeah, but considering how strict Britain’s libel laws are, I’m sure they have ironclad evidence that his fridge started the fire.

      Or else they’re just an irresponsible shitrag.

      • Teecha

        His fridge malfunctioned- its not like he set fire to the fridge. If anything, it’ll be Beko who are to blame.

        • thixotropic jerk

          Didn’t you know? Blahs are always setting their fridgies on fire some kind of multykulty thing. //s

    • Les Appentis De la résistance

      They originated the toxic. Murdoch molested them first.

  • Bitter Scribe

    Mick the firefighter is my new hero.

  • Teecha

    The daily fucking mail is a hate rag, and everyone involved, no matter how peripherally, in the production of this shitty, bigoted, lying chip wrapper needs to fuck the fuck off to a world without shoes, and with never ending carpets filled with Lego. And may they forever suffer hard to treat yeast infections. May their tax dodges get found out and may their large fortunes be legally taken in compensation for their tax avoidance lies and may that money be given to any number of BME, single mother, lesbian, communist, yoghurt knitting theatre collectives and also handed out to asylum seekers and refugees and brown people and the NHS and poor people.

    Everyone who buys the daily fucking mail, and reads the racist, sexist, everythingist shite that they spurt onto their stinking fucking pages of lies, anyone who clicks on any links to the daily fucking mail, who glances at their shitwitted sidebar of shame, who even begins to think that those fuckstick arsewipes would ever tell even the merest smidgeon of the truth – they can all fuck off too. May they also suffer for all of their earthly lives in similar and worse ways.

    And I include my parents* in this wish. Because they not only read the daily fucking mail, they also believe the lies, hatred and evil fuckery masquerading as news in the lying daily fucking hate mail.
    *my mum has actually said- but they wouldn’t publish it if it wasn’t true. I do love her, and she lives an otherwise ethical and lovely life. I wish I could stop her from believing it.

    • William Cook

      Cannot condone or condemn the rest of the content, but I’m upvoting purely for ‘yoghurt knitting theatre collectives’.

    • thixotropic jerk

      I just enjoyed a skein of yoghurt meself!

    • Les Appentis De la résistance

      “yoghurt knitting theatre collectives ”
      You’ve been peeking in my windows. We’re here for you. Solidarity!

    • Saxo the Grammarian

      You Brits – always the masters of understatement. Nothing worse than when your yogurt comes all unraveled, btw.

      • Teecha

        I do worry sometimes that my beloved wonkers won’t know exactly how I feel about those lying fucking liars at the daily fucking mail.

        • bookish

          It’s subtle, but we’re a perceptive bunch.

        • puredog

          “I’m [frowns] still not quite sure I understand your point of view. Might you be more graphic?”

        • Grumpy Twat

          Don’t worry – my mum reads that shit, too. Her response to most things, these days, is “But what about that Diane Abbott?”
          I cannot convince her that it’s Theresa fucking May we need to worry about, right now.

          • mysonsam

            So, that’s the UK version of, “Buttery Males”?

            Jesus, I am so sorry.

          • Grumpy Twat

            I admit I have no idea what Buttery Males is. And I am a bit reluctant to find out!

            Update: I just Googled it. Yep, exactly that. At 82 it’s too late, now.

    • Keith Taylor

      I say not a word against your mum. I’m sure she’s an ethical and lovely woman and my own mum, likewise an ethical and lovely woman and a lot of fun, on occasion said things that made my jaw drop. Besides, she is not the only one to have said that particular causing-jaw-to-drop thing. Back in the 1960s when von Daniken’s CHARIOTS OF THE GODS first came out and I said in a conversation with a believer that EvD was totally lying about ancient Egypt, the Epic of Gilgamesh, myth and history in general, and also directly stealing from a few more balanced and critical writers, the believer said with a straight face, “But they wouldn’t let him publish it if it weren’t true.”

      • Teecha

        I’m so glad it’s not just my otherwise lovely mum who falls for the lies.

    • KillerMartinis

      I will shout your next round for this.

    • xbutter

      Ailes just adapted the Fail for US television. Instead of topless bimbos on page 3, he added leggy cleavage women with cucks to spread the “evil fuckery masquerading as news”.

      • ‘Topless bimbos’

        Can we really not? As lefties, that’s really not how we should talk about women.

      • Teecha

        The daily fucking mail doesn’t have topless page 3 girls. It disapproves of breasts, but is happy to gleefully point out the flaws of breast owners and their breasts. Because it is an appalling waste of human endeavour. And air. And paper. And ink.

    • phoenix00

      Wasn’t DM founded by the same fartbag that founded Fox News?

      • Teecha

        No. The daily fucking mail was set up in the 1890s by the Harmsworth brothers. Their spawn still have control of the group which own the lying shitrag.

        Murdoch owns fox. And in the uk, he owns the evil ‘news’paper The S*n. And The Times. And Sky. He used to own The News of the World- the journalists of which hacked people’s phones. Including that of a murdered child, which meant that her parents thought she was still alive. The paper is gone now.

        • phoenix00

          That clears it up. I got ’em confuzzled.

  • Prolecat

    The Daily Fail doing what it does best.

  • unclejeems

    Let’s not get started on fire codes here in the US. The Republicans may decide, if they already haven’t, that fire codes are another example of big-government overreach–big government in most cases being your city and county governments–and campaign to de-code all of us. Burdensome regulations and so forth. Stifle job growth. Hurt the job-creators. Yadda yadda yadda, ad infinitum.

    Of course the 30 percent of the population that would vote for a syphilitic bonobo if it had an (R) after its name would be happy to know that the Republicans are still in there, batting for the little guy.

    • SayItWithOtters

      In yet another example of how we need to re-learn the industrial safety and public health lessons of the early 20th century all over again, for those out there who’ve gotten a little spoiled and couldn’t possibly read a book.

    • Well, to be fair if the choice was an (R) after the name, OR a syphilitic bonobo, I’d totally vote for the bonobo. Antibiotics are still a thing, no thanks to (R)s.

      • thixotropic jerk

        All depends on the stage: if tertiary it’s a qualified “yes” but if at end stage Dumbo Trumpbo then write in George of the Jungle

      • Parakeetist

        Syphilitic Bonobo is my favorite death metal band.

    • Hey, now, making it illegal to build nursery schools next to chemical plants is a burden on the job creators!

      • thixotropic jerk

        Plus deprives the little ones of the chance to “make themselves stronger” through chemexsposure

        • Bad Tom

          Don’t laugh. That was actually claimed during the radium fad of the Roaring Twenties.

          RadiThor was a quack treatment hawked at the height of that fad. The RadiThor company received a Cease and Desist letter from the FDA in 1928 after a wealthy patron drank thousands of bottles, and his jaw fell off. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7491a843cf865a7139b1a7a4411539304ca3ff9fc518998d5262050cc6e000b0.jpg

          • Bad Tom

            Mesothorium has a half-life of 7 years.
            Radium has a half-life of 1660 years.

            That bottle will be dangerous until long after everyone here, their children, grandchildren, and great to the 80th generation grandchildren have passed away.

          • Grokenstein

            But the water is triple distilled!!

            The important thing is that the people hawking “certified radioactive water” kept their money. /s

            From Wikipedia: Radithor was manufactured from 1918 to 1928 by the Bailey Radium Laboratories, Inc., of East Orange, New Jersey. The owner of the company and head of the laboratories was listed as Dr. William J. A. Bailey, a dropout from Harvard College, who was not a medical doctor. It was advertised as “A Cure for the Living Dead” as well as “Perpetual Sunshine”. The expensive product was claimed to cure impotence, among other ills.

            Eben Byers, a wealthy American socialite, athlete, industrialist and Yale College graduate, died from Radithor radium poisoning in 1932. Byers was buried in a lead-lined coffin; when exhumed in 1965 for study, his remains were still highly radioactive.

          • ThanksSatan

            Note to self: Zombies not cured with Radium. Thanks for the tip!

          • foreign agitator Captain Kraut

            I’ll wait for Bub to weigh in.

          • Bad Tom

            United States Radium Company had a “doctor” literally treating their radium dial painters, drawing blood, performing physical exams, rendering diagnoses, prescribing treatments, who had a PhD in Philosophy!

            He was reported for practicing medicine without a licence, but the law never caught up with him. That is sad, because his fake testimony delayed justice for these girls for over a decade.

          • thixotropic jerk

            Oh if I’m laughing it’s ironical, believe me! Radithor! Yum! Tastes great less filling no doubt! I hadn’t heard of that particular product and it’s wonderful treatment history. However my Mom would tell me about trips to the shoe store in the ’50s where she would step on their handy in-store x-ray machine to see how well her feet fit into her new (now irradiated along with her) kicks!

          • Teecha

            Have you read Bill Bryson’s memoir? Life and times of the thunderbolt kid. He writes about the atomic loos in his local dept store- as well as these foot X-rays.

          • Mildred Broxon

            I used to love those x-ray machines. Loved looking at the bones in my feet. Sigh. (Yes, I still have feet).

          • Mike Steele

            Lady MS: me, too. Later, got to thinking that the poor Al Bundy fitting all the little kids likely didn’t last too long.

          • miss_grundy

            I read “Radium Girls” by Kate Moore. The women used radium paint to paint clock dials so that the numbers would glow in the dark. Many of them wound up dying from radium poisoning.

          • Teecha

            They used to lick their brushes to keep the point of the bristles nice and fine.

          • chortlingdingo

            I read that too. It was horrific what happened to those girls, and how difficult it was for them to have their voices heard. It’s also horrific that I hadn’t heard of them before I saw a book excerpt somewhere.

          • Bad Tom

            “Radium Girls” is a fabulous book. What those girls went through was the reason OSHA was created.

            And the radium companies stonewalled and lied and dragged their feet every inch of the way. Just like today.

          • everstar

            I watched a special about the establishment of the first medical examiner’s office in New York City. Apparently the radium girls would paint their fingernails and sprinkle the paint in their hair. I recall sitting in my living room moaning, “Oh no, oh noooo,” under my breath.

    • unpocketedstupidcomments

      Syphilitic bonobo libels. Clearly anything with an (R) after its name would be a syphilitic chimpanzee.

    • Well, there were persistent rumours that Reagan was the one that went back to the zoo and Bonzo was went home with Nancy

    • MrTusks

      Nevermind that cutting building codes will kill jobs for building inspectors and the tradesmen who do the fixes. But I’m sure the money the landlords save will trickle down in a generation or two.

  • JDM

    I like Mick.

  • The real fucked up thing is that they are blaming the guy for having a bad fridge- it’s not like the fire was started through malice or even negligence.

    • Bad Tom

      And apparently because there exists a picture of him drinking a beer.

      • God Emperor Emeritus

        Drinking beer: Apparently something that a red-blooded Englishman would not be caught dead doing.

  • Everrett Fanuelli

    Muslims were in the building? Let the right wing ratfuckery begin!

    • Grokenstein

      Already in full swing. When an article at RawStory cited Muslims raising the alarm throughout the building (because the alarms that were supposedly installed for that purpose failed miserably–but hey, here’s a picture of a black man with alcohol!), there was a sudden rush to question the “need” for such an article or try to poke holes in the story.

  • Boojum

    Everyone knows that black people and Muslims spontaneously combust. Science!

  • Jayman

    what’s up with the pic of him drinking beer? Does beer make your fridge breakdown and cause a spark?. He drinks, he’s irresponsible, you know how those people are. wow, this one is sooo obvious.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      Those double IPAs are highly flammable. I blame Portland hipsters

      • WomanInThePersistence

        Hey!

      • phoenix00

        That’s exactly why I drink them.

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      Because watermelon is a USA thing?

    • miss_grundy

      I thought the English loved their beer!

  • JAKvirginia

    And so no one waits for the fire inspector report? The Blame Game from Milton Bradley. Fun for the whole family.

    • H0mer0

      of course they have to character assassinate first! Like that part-time security guard at the Atlanta Olympics who reported seeing the backpack and was dragged thru the mud before they found Eric Rudolph did it.

  • Incoming Ham

    The Daily Fail earns it’s nickname every day. Some days, like this one, are worse than others.

    Not worth ink or pixels.

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    “Making it pretty” (so as not to offend the eyes of Kensington’s classier residents) with plastic is what doomed the building. Lack of sprinklers, alarms, fire escapes, etc. is what doomed dozens of people; why the hell London doesn’t have better building codes than a third-world craphole country is a complete mystery to me.
    An object lesson for the “regulations suck” crowd, but I guarantee they won’t get it.

    • Regret

      I’m not an expert, but I assume the UK has decent building codes.
      Enforcement on the other hand has obviously failed here.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        No, apparently the non-fire retardant cladding was up to code.

    • MrTusks

      The only thing they will “get” is “Don’t be poor.”

  • President in Exile Firefly

    Another failed experiment in self-regulation.

  • Paperless Tiger

    Not sure how a faulty fridge could cause a fire unless it burst into flames. If it overloaded or shorted it should just pop a circuit breaker.

    • davidhollenshead

      Not all sick appliances are so kind to trip the breaker, but agreed, it is not common.
      Of course a fire in one unit should not have torched the entire building.

    • phoenix00

      Operative word: SHOULD.

  • Jeff Mc Donald

    Wait a minute. Now other countries are starting to blame black folk for all the shit that happens? I thought that was our thing! We should have taken out a copyright or something. Now everyone is going to be doing it.

    • Pisto75666

      America’s always been a trendsetter.

      • Mehmeisterjr

        Make America and Everyone Else Great Again! (Well, not peoples in sub-standard buildings.)

        • Pisto75666

          Especially not if they’re foreigners.

      • H0mer0

        (I like your avatar-did they find him at the bottom of this building also too?)

        • Pisto75666

          Nah. Michigan J. Frog wouldn’t be around an unsafe place like this. He has better tastes. :P

    • davidhollenshead

      Nah, the U alrKeady had a sub group who are quite bigoted.
      Considering that Theresa May just asked for the DUP’s help, the Tory Party is dipping into the racist dregs.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      I was in London the week after 9/11. The local news shop had a sign outside the entire week saying it was a wakeup call to get rid of the dirty pakis.

      • H0mer0

        It’s not the immigrants seeking a better life that they need to worry about. It’s their children who sense the attitudes and witness the actions of a bunch of xenophobic racists towards their parents who are just trying “to keep food on their famil[ies].

  • Alice Wilde

    It’s not that he is black as such; DailyMail is making a point of him being an African immigrant. Probably would have got all excited had he been an Eastern European immigrant as well. They hate immigrants of all colours.

  • Teecha

    If you get your news from places other than the daily fucking mail, you might see this testament to the determination of teenagers.

    Students in Year 11 are 15-16 and GCSEs are General Certificate in Secondary Education exams. These are the first formal and externally recognised exams that children sit in the UK. These are a stepping stone to everything else- many employers want their staff to have a C or above in English and Maths. If a kid wants to study at subject at A level (Advanced level) the school or college usually require a B or above in that subject. (Students usually study 4 AS levels in year 12 and reduce these to 3 full A levels in Y13. A levels are one of the things universities use to offer students places on their courses.)
    GCSEs are a big deal to 16yos.
    I’m very impressed with the young people in the article, but I’m not surprised. Teenagers impress me on a daily basis.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grenfell-tower-fire-teenage-girl-sat-gcse-exam-that-morning-kensington-tower-ines-alves-a7792061.html

  • At every turn there are attempts to find some way of scapegoating those hated by the papers. The Times yesterday has a Headline “Corbyn: Seize the homes of the rich.”

    Actually he suggested using empty property to house the homeless residents of this fire

    • God Emperor Emeritus

      The tabloid covers leading up to and on election day were so far over the top slanderous that Poe territory was about 10 miles in the rear mirror. Anyone under 60 that saw them while checking out at the supermarket was probably more likely to vote Labour just because anything that gets press that bad has got to be pissing off the right people.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        I hear Murdoch’s blood pressure spiked more than a little during what was supposed to be May’s triumphant victory party.

        • Grumpy Twat

          Every cloud has a silver lining

        • Uh huh, he stormed off when the result came in.

          • Carpe Vagenda

            Gee. How sad that he was discommoded.

          • SqueakyRat

            I’m not a plumber but . . . discommoded?

          • Carpe Vagenda

            caused (someone) trouble or inconvenience. Or, you know, stole their golden toilet.

  • H0mer0

    I thought firefighters write their names on their helmets so they could identify them in a hurry.
    I am reminded of the picture of Hillary and Schumer walking with Ghouliani with masks on after 911 and how unassuming she looked like she was gathering information rather than just looking concerned; She didn’t make the photo-op about her or push people out of the way.

  • Grumpy Twat

    The excellent blog, “Zelo Street”, regularly eviscerates the Daily Mail and Theresa May. Sterling work over the last couple of days. http://zelo-street.blogspot.co.uk/

  • andyshelt

    And amazingly, the Daily Mail (known as the Daily Heil for its support of the Hitler loving British fascist party, the Blackshirts in the 1930s), is not the worst offender amongst the UK press reporting on this tragedy. That award goes to the Rupert Murdoch owned tabloid, The Sun, the same newspaper that some years ago hacked the phone of murdered schoolgirl, Milly Dowler, and in doing so impeded the murder investigation. One of their fine upstanding “journalists” pretended to be a relative of one of the victims of the fire to gain information from a local hospital. That’s why it’s known as The Scum newspaper to many people. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/16/sun-journalist-grenfell-tower-victim-hospital

    • Grumpy Twat

      What the hell is wrong with those people? Even after the Hillsborough tragedy, the Milly Dowler tragedy, and the closure of the News of the World, they are still at it!
      Do they genuinely have no concept of decency, or even of how vile they look?

  • Alan

    Obama’s fault.

  • Grumpy Twat

    “Scotland Yard have launched a criminal investigation into the fire after it emerged that cladding panels similar to those likely to have been used on the 24-storey building have been widely prohibited on tall buildings in the US since 2012.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2017/jun/16/grenfell-tower-fire-london-police-criminal-investigation-into-tragedy-latest-updates

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