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Much is already being made of James Hodgkinson, the man with a string of domestic abuse charges who shot a group of Republican lawmakers this morning and died after Capitol police shot him back, having been a supporter of Senator Bernie Sanders; he had even volunteered for the Sanders campaign in Illinois.

Senator Sanders denounced the shooting, and all violence, on the floor of the Senate this morning, and issued the following statement:

Very few people could really think that Sanders bears any sort of culpability for this morning’s bloodshed — he tends to call for revolution at the ballot box, not with a gun — but it was menschy of him to not pretend nothing happened.

But while Hodgkinson may be the rare Green voter (he was a Bernie-or-Buster who went for Stein, according to his Facebook page) to do anything more than annoy people to death, there is one attribute he shared with most other mass shooters: a history of violence against women.

According to the Daily Beast, in 2006, Hodgkinson was arrested on charges of domestic violence and discharge of a firearm after a fight in which he punched a man’s girlfriend in the face, then fired a shotgun at the man.

Hodgkinson was also “observed throwing” an unidentified female “around the bedroom,” the police report said. After the woman broke free, Hodgkinson followed and “started hitting her arms, pulling her hair, and started grabbing her off the bed.”

As the woman tried to escape, he reached into her car, turned off the key, and slashed her seatbelt with a knife. Despite the arrest, Hodgkinson apparently had no difficulty getting a gun, which is what makes America such a free country.

Hodgkinson was also a prolific writer of letters to the editor of his local paper on a variety of liberal topics, complaining about Republican tax policies, calling for a return to higher taxes on the wealthy, and railing against the super-rich. (He also appeared to be engaged in a running feud with another frequent contributor of letters to the editor, writing letters that replied to the other guy’s letters.) In a 2015 Facebook post, he also mocked Louisiana Republican Steve Scalise for giving a speech to a white supremacist group run by former KKK leader David Duke.

Of course, if that’s an indication of criminal tendencies, you’ll want to lock up virtually anyone who made fun of Scalise’s pretense of ignorance about the group he spoke to. We’re also more than a little concerned about the people who send us deranged-sounding deleted comments.

So get ready for the predictable round of claims that progressives are all a bunch of hate-filled monsters who wish death on their political opponents. We would like to remind you of our commenting rules, which are in place because Yr Wonkette is quite serious about not wishing violence on anyone. We wish Rep. Scalise a speedy recovery from his wounds, and also for him to be voted out of office — and nothing more than that.

We would mention, however, that while Senator Sanders has explicitly condemned Hodgkinson’s despicable act, as well as all politically motivated violence, there was at least one member of the Senate on the ballfield this morning who has actually endorsed shooting at members of the government, at least in a hypothetical situation where they’ve become tyrants:

We wonder if being shot at this morning felt … freedomy?

This is not to say that Rand Paul deserved to be shot at. But we would like to point out that progressives tend not to be the folks who obsess over the beauty of watering the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants. In fact, as environmentalists, we’re quite sure trees do a lot better with clean water. And maybe we don’t need all these goddamned guns.

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  • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

    But her emails?

    • Msgr_MΩment

      BERNIGHAZI!!!!!!

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    So now that they’ve finally found their elusive Murderous Liberal can we dial the hyper-violent rhetoric and gun glorification back to 10?

  • Joe Beese

    Looks like Bernie was all by himself there.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    …progressives tend not to be the folks who obsess over the beauty of watering the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants. In fact, as environmentalists, we’re quite sure trees do a lot better with clean water. And maybe we don’t need all these goddamned guns.

    But, it’s got what plants crave!

    • Joe Beese

      Plants need nitrogen. Blood is rich in nitrogen.

      Just sayin’.

  • Yr. Gma

    Let’s blame Susan Sarandon.

    • Joe Beese

      I think she’s covered under “Jill Stein”.

    • janecita

      I’m blaming the NRA, just as I always do.

  • Longstreet63

    What’s the big deal? It was a Republican congressman. There’s like 200 of those. They only live for two years anyway. It’s not like it was a senator.

  • janecita
    • Miss Dill

      What a jerk.

  • OrG

    Okay,now we know. NOT mentally ill lone wolf, DOMESTIC TERRORIST!

    • Longstreet63

      Wait. White people can be terrorists now?
      Damn fourth edition rules.

      • BearGHAZI

        Not automatically, only when you roll a 15 THAC0 against AC +1

        • JCfromNC

          Wait, didn’t they get rid of THAC0? I haven’t kept up on the ruleset, but I seem to remember hearing that.

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      Nope. Crazed violent liberal just like the rest of us.

      • Shanzgood

        If we’re willing to let PPH murder babies and sell their body parts for profit, there’s nothing too depraved for us.

  • Anna Rompage

    Rand Paul? He was also the guy who didn’t see any problem with an armed drone taking out a robber of a liquor store.

  • Jenny

    But libety and tranny! Hillary’s vitriolic supporters! And her emails!!

  • jowgajen

    According to WaPo, there may be a more understandable reason why Mr. Hodgkinson became violent in 2006. Perhaps his daughter was found running with the wrong crowd:

    Earlier, in April 2006, police records show Hodgkinson went to a neighbor’s house looking for his daughter and “used bodily force to damage” a wooden door upstairs. Witnesses said Hodgkinson forced his way into the home looking for his daughter and grabbed her by the hair when he found her upstairs, according to a police narrative on file with St. Clair County Sheriff’s Department.

    His daughter escaped and got into the neighbor’s car, but Hodgkinson opened the door of the car, pulled out a pocket knife and cut off the seat belt she was wearing, records show. Hodgkinson’s wife joined him, struggling to pull their daughter out of the car, as Hodgkinson punched the neighbor who was in the driver’s seat of the car in the face, witnesses told police.

    Later, Joel Fernandez, the boyfriend of the woman who was punched, went to Hodgkinson’s home to confront him. He said Hodgkinson “walked outside with a shotgun and aimed it at Fernandez face,” a complaint states. Hodgkinson struck Fernandez on the side of his face with the wooden stock of the shotgun and fired off one round as Fernandez ran away.

    Police arrested Hodgkinson and his wife and charged them with domestic battery and aggravated discharge of a firearm, according to a narrative obtained by The Post. Police also recovered a 12-guage shotgun. The county clerk’s online database shows the charges were later dismissed.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/law-enforcement-officials-identify-shooter-at-congressional-ballgame-as-illinois-man/2017/06/14/ba6439f4-510f-11e7-91eb-9611861a988f_story.html?utm_term=.9d6655f89c8e

    • Msgr_MΩment

      If only the daughter had been packing…
      /GOPped

    • Michael Smith

      Hmm this guy sounds like he might relate more to Palin than Sanders

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      With parenting skillz like those, no wonder the daughter was running with the wrong crowd – allegedly.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        With parenting skillz like those, no wonder the daughter was running with the wrong crowd – allegedly.

    • Mark Lungo

      And this is why he never should have been allowed to have a gun again.

    • Three Finger Salute

      He grabbed her by the… hair? Looks like Billo is going to be the one to do the next Columbine. His manifesto will be called “Killing Everyone.” Oh, wait, he already explained that, and it even has creepy loofah sex.

  • tomamitai

    I’m thinking about doing violence to my liver this weekend with a bottle of Bourbon, is that allowed?

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      Depends on the quality of the bourbon.

      • tomamitai

        Ha, you think I can afford quality Bourbon? Damn, I just remembered, I can’t afford the cheap kind, either! Looks like it’s Great Value Iced Tea for me.

      • Joe Beese

        I keep buying cheaper brands of bourbon until I find one that I can’t drink.

        Haven’t found it yet.

    • janecita

      I’m doing the same, but with some cheap, mango sparkling wine from Trader Joe’s.

      • Shanzgood

        I wish we had a TJ in my city. They would do very well here.

        • janecita

          I’ve to drive an hour to get to the closest one, it sucks.

          • Shanzgood

            I got spoiled living in Seattle.

          • Beanz&Berryz

            I still get to be spoiled living in Portland. Not as many amazing views, but wonderfully wonderful…

          • onedollarjuana

            Views nicer here in Seattle. Neighborhoods better in P-town

      • CogitoErgoBibo

        Wait. TJ’s has mango sparkling wine?! Why was I not informed? Oh. Right. You just did that. THANK YOU!

  • Me not sure
  • weejee

    Kamala Harris is to blame with her hysterical badgering of poor, defenseless Jefe Boringguard Sessions.

  • Michael Smith

    So, Senator Paul, how are we to judge whether a person’s firearm use was in the service of fighting tyranny? Cuz this guy probably thought that’s what he was doing.

  • Jenny

    This would have never happened if Hillary wasn’t a wall street shill!

  • Everrett Fanuelli

    I thought the Rs were real men? Now they’re asking for more security? Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and man up, Twinkletoes!

  • Anna Rompage

    Am I the only one who thinks some of the Bernie Bros out there, are just as scary as & demented as those alt-right assholes?

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      Nope. Remember Horseshoe Theory.

      • Me not sure

        Horses have hoes?

        • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

          Only the studs.

          • Me not sure

            Well then put me out to pasture.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      BINGO! Two peas in a pod- the horseshoe theory of politics in action. A bunch of zealots who start believing the ends justify the means and find ways to rationalize away all sorts of bullshit in the name of their cause™.

      • weejee

        Ya go far enough either way you meet on the backside.

        • arglebargle

          That sounds like something Hastert would say to Sandusky.

    • Mark Lungo

      Assholes, yes. Scary and demented, not till today. And Hodgkinson was too old to be a Bernie Bro.

    • Meccalopolis

      Because they are. They’re still spreading Clinton conspiracies, ferchrisakes

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    This whole thing is gonna be a shitshow. The worst part (beyond the shooting itself) is the way it’s going to be hijacked by every asshole with an agenda. The RWNJs will collectively clutch their pearls and whine about violent lefties while wallowing in their victimhood, the pro and anti gun advocates will go to full blown war footing over this, far to many on the left will say and do inappropriate things that will only make it worse

    But worst of all, everyone will take their eye off the ball and Russiagate will get pushed to the back page and the Senate will continue to strip Americans of their healthcare

  • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

    I’d go see how the far-right is twisting Bernie’s words to make him complicit, but my stomach’s been a bit queasy the last couple of days and I don’t want to revisit breakfast.

  • Jenny

    Also did you guys know democrats are starting a civil war, just like last time?!?!

    Fuck my boss talks louder than my headphones.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      If Sherman had only been armed. Moar.

    • Anna Rompage

      Wait, but I thought the confederates were on the good side for starting the civil war to fight against govt tyranny…

      • Jenny

        Only when they aren’t democrats!?!

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      Because of course nothing about politics has changed since 1860.

  • Shanzgood

    Is it against the commenting rules to wonder what would have happened if everyone on and around the field had been armed?

    • Me not sure

      That’s called hockey, I think.

      • Shanzgood

        *snerk*

      • weejee

        So Hodgkinson will get a 5-minute major. Will that be before or after they bury him?

        • Biel_ze_Bubba

          No getting out of that penalty box.

          • Shanzgood

            Ouch.

    • weejee

      Tombstone, AZ, O.K. Corral.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Moar like the Not O.K. Corral, amirite?

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Why is the Federal Gubmint infringing on our right to bear nukes?

    • Anna Rompage

      Circular firing squad?

      Or

      a scene out of a Quentin Tarantino movie…

    • jesterpunk

      See Dallas Texas last year, more people would be shot while the police try and figure out who is the wanna be cowboy and who is the actual bad guy shooting.

      • Shanzgood

        Yup. And I’ve heard former members of the military explaining that as one of the reasons they were for more gun control.

        • jesterpunk

          The other Oregon shooting where the military guy said they didnt rush in because it would more confusing for law enforcement and possibly get more people killed?

          I know people currently in the military who agree that having untrained idiots carrying guns just makes things more dangerous for everyone.

          • Shanzgood

            I was actually thinking of my former liberal boss deftly taking out half a dozen rednecks in the office. Verbally, of course.

    • Meccalopolis

      Reservoir dogs?

  • Crystalclear12

    Crazy comes in all flavors.

    • OrG

      Both sides do it!

      • UncleTravelingMatt

        Spineless Cowardly Liberals are the real Violent Thugs!!!!

        • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

          “pajama boy is secretly a violent leftist wacko.”

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Is Alexandria Shooter any relation to Reality Winner?

    • Latverian Diplomat

      IDK, but I think he’s a cousin of Tequila Shooter and Oyster Shooter.

      • Three Finger Salute

        What about Shooter McGavin?

        • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

          He eats pieces of shit for breakfast. GROSS

    • PubOption

      I don’t think he knows Reality.

  • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

    *sigh*

    That is all.

  • JD Mulvey

    “There are so many images that we will not want to see again, but there is one image in particular that this House should keep –the photo of our Democratic colleagues gathered in prayer this morning after hearing the news. We feel so deeply about the things that we fight for and the things we believe in … but we do not shed our humanity when we enter this chamber. These were our brothers and sisters in the line of fire. These were our brothers and sisters who ran into danger and saved countless lives. So before this House returns to its business, let’s just slow down and reflect to think about how we’re all being tested right now. Because we are being tested right now.” – Paul Ryan

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      Now onto doing the bidding of the most hateful, divisive president in all of history!

    • tomamitai

      This speech will be used in an attack ad against him when he’s primaried from the right.

      • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

        *Gravelly voiceover voice, ominous music*

        “Paul Ryan, first in line to capitulate to the LIBRAL KILLER TERRORISTS running loose across our cities”

    • Shanzgood

      I guess it’s your turn.

      I’m not glad it happened but if there’s ANY good that can come of it…I hope it does.

    • Jenny

      Someone check on Paul Ryan. He sounds reasonable.

    • BigCSouthside

      Hey Paul,

      Here’s the answer to the test. Don’t tell anyone I gave it to ya:

      GUNS ARE TOO FUCKING EASY FOR ANY JACKASS IN THIS COUNTRY TO GET! FIX. IT

    • Mr. Blobfish

      Now, let’s repeal Obamacare.

    • jowgajen

      I listened to it, and did think he made pretty words. But, as much as I try to keep my mind open, I found it hard to think he really meant them.

      We can call on each other to work together for the common good. But that’s Paul Ryan. I’m not sure what exactly motivates him but he seems keen on destroying the systems that so many common Americans have paid into and depend on being there for them. His actions speak much much louder than his pretty words.

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      Thems some purty words coming from his cake hole, but he is an monster who shed his humanity about 20 years ago, so fuck him sideways with votes.

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      Wait, he is actually implying that this showed him that Democrats are NOT bloodthirsty evil monsters who celebrate others’ deaths, because otherwise that’s what he thought? Is he telling us a wee bit too much about who HE is? And also, what’s “being tested” is THE RIGHT WING ASSHOLES’ INSANE INSISTENCE ON INSANELY LAX GUN LAWS, not to mention their insane refusal to view attacks on women as “violence that needs to be paid attention to.”

    • MamaBrown

      So wait, was this about those innocent children and their heroic teachers in Sandy Hook? The young adults dancing and having fun in Orlando? His colleague, Gabby Giffords? No? Oh, right. It was about the only people who really count, old white guys. Fuck off Paul Ryan. I have no stomach for your sanctimonious whinging.

      • Three Finger Salute

        The first one didn’t happen.

        The second one was God’s righteous wrath against sodomy.

        The third was God’s righteous wrath against a harlot.

        Today, when a godless communist shot a true patriot in an act of cowardly leftist violence on behalf of the deep state, was God’s righteous wrath against George Soros and his puppets, for trying to depose His chosen king who would drive out the sodomites, harlots, and heathen Saracens.

        This message brought to you by the Republican Party, the National Rifle Association, and the American Psychiatric Association’s Task Force on Delusional Psychotic Disorders.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    Finally, a mass shooting that’s not a false flag operation.
    — Your NRA

    • Mark Lungo

      It’ll be interesting to hear how the NRA responds (or fails to respond) to this.

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    Rep. Barry Loudermilk (R-Ga.), a member of the GOP baseball squad who was on the scene during Wednesday morning’s shooting, said Congress should explore allowing lawmakers to carry weapons to defend themselves.

    The Texas is strong in this one.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      You misspelled “requiring”

    • Me not sure

      That’s my fuck nut representative. It’s the first idea he’s ever had, so like Trump, he’s new at this.

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      I’ve been saying there should be open carry in the legislature and the White House for years…of course, I was only trolling those NRA-funded assholes in Congress who would turn white as sheet if that were a reality, but could cold-bloodedly endorse such a situation for our children’s schools…

    • arglebargle

      So instead of “You lie!” we can just get rid of any uppity presidents right quick.

  • chascates

    As to this idea that the Second Amendment is for the citizenry to overthrow a democracy gone wrong: do you really think your ARs and Glocks are a match for fighter planes, tanks, and heavy machine guns?

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      this is what i keep saying.
      the first time 150 of those yahoos are spotted marching through a field, a bunch of Pentagon generals are going to sigh and say, send out a squad in a tank or that guy Pete in an F-16.

      • Jennifer R

        I actually think they would use less lethal options like LRAD, tear/pepper gas, and hoses. Live fire would be a last option for use on a large group of citizens in revolt.

        • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

          heh, of course. just an slightly hyperbolic example to prove a point.

          Point is, they’d be crushed with a tiny decimal place of the U.S. military’s might.

          • Jennifer R

            Well yeah. I know I tell the story of the electronics prof I had in college who bragged about having guns buried in his property, and covering the whole place in ball bearings to “confound government gun detectors”.

          • arglebargle

            Burying your guns doesn’t strike me as a useful application of weaponry, but then he is the professor.

          • Jennifer R

            Well the government gun detectors will get all screwed up from the 100 000 ball bearings he threw out ya see!

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            i would argue that such a thing might be a great reason for them to dig right there, but what do I know.

          • arglebargle

            Yeah, but… ahhh never mind. I ain’t gonna argue with gun nut logic.

        • Shanzgood

          It would depend on what color they were.

    • Joe Beese

      We can argue about its applicability to today’s realities, but I don’t think there can be real disagreement that the Founders considered arms the final defense of liberty.

      • DT

        You are right, everyone should agree that your view is wrong. But here we are.

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      And also, it is actually the exact OPPOSITE of what the 2nd Amendment was designed for. It was because we didn’t have a standing army, and were fighting an OPPOSING COUNTRY. It was to enable us to have “a well regulated militia” to DEFEND our country. (And there are a bunch of pig-ignorant hayseeds who seriously think because that part has a comma after it, it’s not at all a dependent clause to the second part. It’s like a completely different amendment and doesn’t count) It was zero point zero percent intended to allow people to “overthrow” our own country–as Washington’s instant stopping of the Whiskey Rebellion showed.

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        especially considering armed insurrection and trying to overthrow the government are, ya know, frowned upon.

        • cmd resistor

          I am going to start frowning upon Donald Trump.

          • Shanzgood

            Whoah, skirting the rules now!

      • OrG

        The NRA doesn’t let ‘facts” get in the way.

        • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

          Exactly.

      • Pilotshark

        ” standing army”
        Speaking of Standing Army
        Lets shout out and Happy Birthday to the US Army 242 years.

      • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

        And the whole reason we didn’t have a standing army (and why Congress was only given the power to “raise” one) is because one of the major gripes by colonists were the excesses and abuses of the British troops.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Psst, the 2nd Ammendment was really about being prepared for slave revolts…don’t tell anyone.
      — James Madison

    • Ωbjectifier

      They don’t need all that, they can just up the chemtrail dose.

    • BigCSouthside

      Drones. How the fuck you fight a flying assassin robot that is nearly silent and has guided munitions with a fucking tacticool AR?

    • georgiaburning

      Back in 1932, President Hoover and General MacArthur sent troops to disperse the Bonus Army marchers. (One reason MacArthur ended up in the Phillipines- it was as far away as he could be sent) Why do you think any hint of open insurrection would not be put down with full force?

      • grindstone

        Very upfist. If you aren’t aware of the Bonus Army, by all means, look it up. It was maybe the worst, but not nearly the last time the US screwed over its own vets.

  • Oblios_Cap

    Brave Sir Paul ran away.
    Bravely ran away, away.
    When danger rears it’s ugly head
    He bravely turned his tail and fled.
    Yes Brave Sir Paul turned about
    He gallantly chickened out.

    Bravely taking to his feet
    He beat a very brave retreat.
    Oh bravest of the brave, Paul.

    That’s what I heard really happened.

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    OT but just came back form a great job interview. The job in question was not really my cup of tea since I had already done it in the past and although good results I never felt much for the core business. Recruiter acknowledged this and also the concerns of the company about the fact I had not been active in IT for ten years but he convinced both parties to at least talk to each other because they have other fields as well: Result: In the end I was not just meeting with the IT Director but also the engineering director and the finance director for a sales consultancy job. They don’t have any specific openings but are willing to create an opening because they all felt I was such a professional they want to get me on board. No guarantees off course but they were really impressed. Point of it all: Some recruiters are really miracle workers and not the mere douches we see most of them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff0oWESdmH0

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      go for it Rob!

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Thanks, it is actually a huge company and the recruiter is going there tomorrow to soften up the other directors as an extra way to pull it off. As said, some recruiters really go the extra mile for you.

        • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

          heh, I had one who *said* she was looking. When I got fired, I tried to get in contact with her. 2 emails, 2 phone calls, and a month later – still no response.

          You got a good one!

    • Cliff Hendroval

      Bravo!

    • jesterpunk

      Good luck and congratulations.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Same for you. :D

    • elviouslyqueer

      Condragulations!

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Thanks but don’t jinx it with congrats just yet, ;)

    • Shanzgood

      I need a recruiter like that.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Yeah he is awesome. Tomorrow he is actually going to Yacht (the company) to smooth things to help finding in creating a position at Engineering consultancy because we just discussed that I had not put forward that my last job involved recruiting engineeers working on spectrometers because that director had the least time.

    • Regret

      Congrats dude.

    • Oblios_Cap

      you must have good karma.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        I sure hope so.

    • Chris

      The upside is even if there isn’t a specific job there, they may know someone.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Exactly.

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    As always, take these rogue accounts with a grain of salt (or a truckload’s worth), but this sounds about right. It sure seems as if far too many GOP-types are almost gloating over the identity of the shooter, so it wouldn’t surprise me if Cheetoh is joining in.
    https://twitter.com/RoguePOTUSStaff/status/875012887454109697

    • ltmcdies

      Except he’s not any kind of Democrat, is he. Bernie takes great pride in his non affiliation
      This guy went from Bernie to Stein. Left wing OK… actual Democrat… show the receipts

      • sw19covfefe

        Horseshoe wing.

        • Three Finger Salute

          Horse’s ass wing.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    “I could shoot somebody on 5th Avenue and my supporters would still love me!”

    — A Democrat, probably.

    • Mister Thibs

      Adulation and adoration from “the second amendment people!”

  • Mr. Blobfish
    • Martini Ambassador 🍸

      Yup. But IOKIYAR, silly Blob.

  • Here, I think we all need a break, seriously:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS5Sg-sDi9Q

    • Regret

      Aww, thanks :D
      Hugs!

  • Jennifer R

    The shooter was desperate. People with nothing left to lose are the freest of all.

    • John Resistant Tovarich Smith

      “Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose”

      From Me and Bobbie McGee

    • Three Finger Salute

      Then why didn’t he turn the gun on himself instead of shooting other people.

  • jesterpunk

    More about him. I guess we should just be glad his second amendment rights where not violated.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40280034

    The responding officer wrote in his report that the girl said Hodgkinson dragged her by her hair and beat her.

    He then allegedly sliced into her seatbelt with a pocket knife and choked her as she tried to drive away.

    The girl was a student who lived with Hodgkinson and his wife.

    He also allegedly shot at one of her friends with a 12-gauge shotgun and punched another 16-year-old girl in the face.

    Too bad there is no way to prevent these shootings.

    http://www.theonion.com/search?q=No+Way+To+Prevent+This%2C%27+Says+Only+Nation+Where+This+Regularly+Happens.

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      If only we had some way to predict violent behavior.

  • Boscoe

    I knew the minute I heard about this that we would hear about “the violence of the left” endlessly. So, just to keep things straight, liberals hate guns, fear guns, want to take all the guns away, and also are somehow responsible for ALL the gun violence.

    • Christopher Story

      Schroedinger’s Liberal

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    one attribute he shared with most other mass shooters: a history of violence against women

    OK, now can we take this issue more seriously, and move beyond the “why doesn’t she just leave?” non-answer?

    PS: here are some answers to that dumb-ass question.

    • Chris

      Of course we can now take Domestic Violence seriously now – men could get hurt.

  • Beanz&Berryz

    As a hobby vegetable gardener, (cows) blood meal is a high nitrogen fertilizer some folks use… Buy I think Dok is right… Trees don’t usually need so much (cows) nitrogen… And certainly not peoplez at all…

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “Be sure to use only Miracle Gro Tyrant Blood Meal on all your Trees of Liberty.”
      — Ghost of James Whitmore

    • It’s a little known fact that TyrantBlood(tm) is 80% MiracleGro.

      • Beanz&Berryz

        The other 20% is toxic sludge. A mixed bag. So to speak.

  • Christopher Story
  • John Frum

    I’m gonna get into so much trouble right now.

    For one thing: Oh, a BernieBot. Quelle surprise.

    Sure, Bernie’s OK whatever. But I dropped supporting him during the campaign in large part because of what his “base” turned into. I saw a lot of people right on these pages saying the same thing. They are Not Helpful. BTW: The Russians knew this.

    But I have some very mixed feelings about this. It’s difficult to take the high road. Not just because the Trump mob are such unrepentant douchebags, but because everything they do is about thinking they won’t have to live in the world they create for everyone else. They’re the ones who advocate political violence, want the guns, the Gasden flags and the Mortal Kombat mentality.

    Show me a Republican who opposes depraved indifference, and I’ll show you one whose free pass expired. So I’m taking a wait and see on anything more than “stuff happens” and “here are some thoughts and prayers”. Especially since no one was seriously hurt. Unlike the Trump mob, we’re not ghouls.

    Also, I’ll bet anything in my lunchbox by next week this’ll be called a hoax on the Jimmy Dore Show.

    • Chris

      Nice to see Sanders finally taking a stand against the violence and violent rhetoric of some of his extreme supporters. Railing on film to an empty chamber is really standard Sanders behavior.
      Perhaps he should have done more than go ‘reasons’ after the Nevada debacle. Perhaps Sanders should have said something/anything about the gauntlet in California. Perhaps he should have said something about the Sanders supporter who knifed one and murdered two on an Oregon train. Perhaps he should have expressed some qualms over the behavior of his more radical supporters.
      I spent a lot of time on Reddit during the election and there was literally no difference in rhetoric of Trump and Sanders supporters. The self-involved misogyny dripped off both groups whatever they purported to believe.
      Sanders, hollering and shaking a fist at an empty chamber. Useless, pointless and way too late.

  • DT

    Wait, a Bernie-or-Buster has issues with women?!

    I’m SHOCKED! SHOCKED, I say!

  • Jamespuck

    I’m still wondering when the shitgibbons speech for the heroes who were killed protecting those young girls on a train would come. But its obvious what he thinks about everyday people. I do not condone violence in any form ( except of course on the rink). OK breaking news in San Fran. Let’s see how quick the Hoaxer in Chief responds to this shooting.

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      “no political gain in it for me.” – DJT

    • jesterpunk

      The Portland guy wasnt a scary foreigner he could congratulate himself about.

    • Chris

      That speech is locked up with Sanders speech on the horror of the Oregon murders.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Dump won’t say a damn nerve about Portland. He didn’t even acknowledge LGBT in his statement about Pulse, he just used it to thump the drum for the Muslim ban instead. That fucker has the blood on his hands from Sainte-Foy, he’s got no business talking about “keeping us safe” — keeping who safe? And from whom? The world, from himself and his noxious hate rhetoric? I bet Justin had to muster every ounce of energy not to throw the phone across the room when Cheeto had the damn nerve to call Ottawa and ask “what can I do to help?” like the Microsoft paperclip at the most inopportune moments. Duck Fump and every last one of the shit-disturbers who follows him. Including the Bernie Bros from Forgeddit who were all up in arms when their hero “cucked” for Black Lives Matter.

  • whitroth

    So, *now* do we get gun laws with teeth and claws?

    No, no, LaPierre and the NRA will find some way around this, too, like they did around Gabby Giffords.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      guns don’t kill people, liberals do*

      *NRA official statement

    • jesterpunk

      NRA

      “We clearly need moar guns everywhere and less restrictions.”

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    Dok brings up an important point about some of these extreme-left types, though. It’s really no accident that many of them hate Hillary with an unwarranted intensity. The misogyny runs deep with some of those guys on the fringes of the left too, sad but true.

    • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

      Misogyny exists across the ideological spectrum.

      • Martini Ambassador 🍸

        No doubt about that, but it seems especially suffocating in the fringes.

      • Ms.MLG on Maui

        Been screaming my head off about this for a while now.

        • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

          I might be a tad slow on the uptake on occasion, but I had noticed that. Keep screaming about it. Hopefully some people will start to listen.

          • Ms.MLG on Maui

            I have rarely known you to be slow, and you always listen to my rants, then demand a sammich, which I appreciate.

            P.s…my Mom will land here at 12:30. First time she has ever flown. Can’t wait to see her.

          • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

            That’s great! I’m sure she will love Maui.

  • Mormos

    fuck ’em, maybe with congress getting shot at we can actually get gun laws passed

    • BigCSouthside

      Lol nope. They’ll retreat further away from us and that’s it. Lobbyists will buy them up. The NRA will get what it wants

    • Jennifer R

      All that will happen is that there will be layers of insulation between lawmakers and the public and press.

      • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

        Sharp, pointy, and shooty layers of insulation.

        • Three Finger Salute

          Like their sharp, pointy hoods with tin foil insulation?

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      Gabby Giffords disagrees….maybe you mean, with Republicans in Congress getting shot?…

  • Ninja0980

    Republicans telling Democrats to tone it down after their treatment of the Clintons and Obama can go fuck themselves.

    • John Frum

      Republicans telling Democrats to tone it down after their treatment of Gabby Giffords can go fuck themselves

      • grindstone

        And their treatment of her today. Deplorable doesn’t begin to cover it.

        • OrdinaryJoe

          Republicans telling Democrats to tone it down after their treatment of Jimmy Carter can go fuck themselves.

  • Christopher Story

    We need to deregulate all guns to save us from all those violent liberals who are always trying to take our guns away

  • sw19covfefe

    The trouble with a *section* of the so-called “Bernie Bros” is that they are people looking for a different way to do politics. They’re highly excitable. They skate from Bernie, to Ayn Rand, probably pop in for a peek at various authoritarian theories, statism, don’t-tread-on-me…..
    Same as the guy up in Portland. I wouldn’t blame Bernie for that, either, just as I wouldn’t blame Ayn Rand’s utopian objectivist science fiction, tbh.
    The guy has probably read some Tolkein, along with Trotsky, in his time too.
    He’s clearly a fucking idiot – and for sure some theories he’s come across, and things he’s taken away from his search, haven’t helped.

    At least Bernie has finally published something to draw a line in the sand for some of his more excitable fans – but IMHO he’s left it a little late in the day. Bernie’s clearly enjoyed bathing in the Cult of Personality over the past year or so, but not actually realised he needs (and is ultimately responsible) to use his pronouncements to (at least attempt to) keep the fringe support in line.

    Peace out.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      but IMHO he’s left it a little late in the day

      And that’s what became my problem with Sanders. Despite having some good ideas and bringing much needed passion and enthusiasm to the left, at a certain point it all overwhelmed him and he got waaay too caught up in the fame and the rush of raw power. He shamefully looked the other way towards the end of primary and turned a blind eye to the zealots and nutters rallying under his banner. Expressing disapproval after the fact is no substitute for tamping this shit down and disowning it before bad things happen. And it’s not as if this morning’s shooting was out of the blue- we saw the Bernie Bro instigated violence at the Trump rallies, we saw the violence and vandalism during the inauguration. We saw the naked misogyny from some of these radicalized Bros against Hillary. We see the glee with which some on the lunatic fringe left now engage with the lunatic fringe right in street violence and mayhem. Two wrongs don’t make a right, yet he continues to countenance and even encourage this radicalization. Talk is cheap, Bernie. Put aside your ambition and put your foot down now over the ugly underbelly of the movement you are leading. Waiting until after the fact to condemn when things boil over and get out of control is not acceptable.

      • Three Finger Salute

        See also: Weimar Republic that led to… something much worse.

  • Gee, Your Hair Smells Horrific

    He was obviously inspired by the notorious baseball practice scene in Julius Caesar.

    • Mr. Blobfish

      Couldn’t they have turned the pitching machine on the guy?

      • BoatOfVelociraptors

        They keep those in batting cages…

    • Crank Tango

      You’re thinking of Bull Durham.

      • Gee, Your Hair Smells Horrific

        I always get the classics mixed up.

    • laughingnome

      Maybe the scene in the untouchables.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy3MtznDeqg

  • Mr. Blobfish
  • Latverian Diplomat

    With his record of attacking women, I guess you can see why he didn’t like Hillary.

  • SUUUUUUPER glad he was able to get a gun, I mean, what if he needed to stop a bad guy with a gun?

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      he could only find some bad guys without guns.

  • BoatOfVelociraptors

    Remember how Trump made it easier for people on mental disability to buy guns?
    Remember how the AHCA is going to kick millions out of mental health programs?

    • Jennifer R

      This guy was just a garden variety domestic abuser.

      • BoatOfVelociraptors

        You state that as if it isn’t some kind of mental illness that needs therapy…

        • Jennifer R

          It’s certainly a behavioral problem, not sure if it’s comparable to say a cluster A personality problem though.

          • arglebargle

            A cluster fuck personality

          • Jennifer R

            No, that is me.

      • Lance Thrustwell

        So there ought to be a garden variety gun-purchase ban.

        • Jennifer R

          Yep.
          Then we can talk about why it’s illegal to regulate 80% receivers.

        • Shanzgood

          Then we run into the people in the legal system who are reluctant to “ruin a man’s life” by prosecuting him for domestic violence. The same people who let people like Brock Turner go virtually unpunished but give a 20 year sentence to women like Marissa Alexander for firing a warning shot at her abusive ex who was attacking her.

          • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

            The Marissa Alexander story is one of the most monstrous miscarriages of justice I’ve ever heard of.

          • Shanzgood

            It was. I was so glad when she was released. The prosecutor (A WOMAN) wouldn’t even stop fucking her over when she was on house arrest.

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      “Those are two completely un-related things!” – Trump voters

    • Shanzgood

      I guess we’d better stock up on guns to protect our—

      I can’t even finish that.

      • BoatOfVelociraptors

        I really wish that we had a one strike and you’re out clause for gun ownership.
        Domestic abuse? No guns for you!
        Unlawful Discharge? No guns for you!
        DUI? No guns for you!

    • VirginiaLady

      It was Virginia. Weakest buying and selling rules in the country. We guarantee it! Hell, Floriduh man even buys his guns in our loving commonwealth. Srsly, we are a big problem in the East Coast gun running pipeline. We could change, but our state senate won’t let us.

  • GreenGoldSharpie

    In other news I went to Target to get my girl juice shot and there’s a sizable police, guvmint, and press presence by what I think was this dude’s business.

    I drove right by it, but it’s really slowing down traffic.

    • Jennifer R

      His place was closed Dec 31st 2016 and he spent the last few months living in DC, so I maybe wonder?

      • GreenGoldSharpie

        I’m honesty not sure. I’m not even sure that’s the place other than the cops were crawling all over the building. Has to be related.

        It’s actually on a fairly isolated stretch of road.

      • GreenGoldSharpie

        Definitely it. Unlike Google Maps Mapquest still links an address.

        • Jennifer R

          Makes sense then. Gotta be sure he didn’t boobytrap it. He did lose the business because he couldn’t get his license renewed. That sort of thing can make a person bitter.

          • Lefty Wright

            Then he should be a fan of the Republicans, even more so of the libertarians. They don’t need no stinkin’ licenses.

  • Ryan Denniston

    Egad! Wingnut capitalization in his Facespace post! They’re inside the perimeter!

  • Crank Tango

    I like how the good fake eye doctor acknowledged it would have been a real bloodbath if not for the GASP police.

  • Marceline

    Radical concept: maybe white fragility + toxic masculinity + fetishism of revolution + easy access to guns = bad combo no matter what side of the aisle you’re on.

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      That’s just crazy talk.

    • (((fka_donnie_d)))

      Bingo. Current boss (whom I otherwise respect and admire) is _both_ a liberal and a second-amendment nut. Keeps talking about the framers. Who gives a fuck? I don’t need a history lesson, I have Somalia.

    • Three Finger Salute

      The tribal-minded idiots with that alpha-bro perfect storm combination you mentioned are killing the planet (and its inhabitants) too — intentionally.

      http://www.alternet.org/environment/climate-change-culture-war-trumps-paris-pullout-giant-middle-finger-left

      In this case, replace guns for “smoke stacks on dirty-diesel pickup truck” in the metaphor of the prosthetic phallus. Bonus douchebro points if there’s chrome-plated testicles hanging from the trailer hitch (that hitches the trailer where Cletus and his sister got hitched).

    • Gayer Than Thou

      I regret that I can upfist you only once for this.

  • Roadstergal

    And there’s a shooting in my hometown (SF) today. I have to leave Switzerland in August and go back to all this. :(

    • Lizzietish81

      I feel ya, when we came back from Scotland last year I was reminded of all the shit that was going on. It was so nice being in a place which wasn’t obsessed with who is going into what bathroom.

      • Predisenting Ron

        As I understand it, Scottish bathrooms are divided, not by ‘male/female,’ but by ‘skirts/no skirts.’

    • janecita

      Don’t leave!

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      i’m sure you’ll miss all that lack of public shootings and low-cost healthcare…and chocolate.

      • janecita

        And cheese, and mountains, and lakes, and did I mention cheese?

    • arglebargle

      Why leaving? Extremely vetted?

    • Shanzgood

      I hope you get the chance to see Appenzell! I’ve been there a couple of times and it’s gorgeous!

  • Wellstone En Resistencia, Coño

    We should all be retweeting Aqua Buddha’s tweet about why we have a Second Amendment.

    • Jennifer R

      I know I did.

  • squidkid

    Radical white male terrorism.

    • Predisenting Ron

      Why won’t the President say it?

  • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

    I am always amused at the logical inconsistency of gun lovers who fervently defend the Second Amendment as some sort of bulwark against government tyranny, while also claiming to be super patriots. If you really believe that you live in the greatest country that has ever been, why do you spend so much time contemplating the possible necessity of taking up arms to fight against your own government and fellow citizens? Surely if America were REALLY the greatest country on earth such an eventuality would be regarded as impossible.

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      well, and I guess the safe inference stemming from those first two things is, “give us what we want or we’ll shoot” – which is intimidation at best and terrorism at worst.

    • Lark_in_the_AM

      The term “tyranny” only applies to government by Democrats, in their empty little heads.

      • The KGB Ate Our Votes

        The Tyranny of Feckless Democrats is a favorite bedtime story of the righties.

    • Mr. Blobfish

      What are you? Vulcan?

      • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

        I strive to be Not An Idiot, and I like to think I succeed more often than not.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      They are the same people who think that government is inept and can’t be trusted to give money to poor people for food, but demand we worship the military

      • Three Finger Salute

        1) they don’t think, they parrot Dalek talking points of “destroy! destroy!”

        2) it’s not so much that government is inept and can’t be trusted to give money to poor people for food, it’s that government has no business giving money to poor people, because:

        – they won’t use it for food (they’ll use it for drugs/sex/cigarettes/some other vice that publicly financed congresscritters pay for with tax dollars too),

        -they won’t use it for mere gruel (they’ll buy lobster! oh noes!),

        – they will use it for food — and will become “dependent” on “handouts” like wild animals you’re not supposed to feed.

        Point 2(c) was actually a thing from a good ol’ puke.

        OhChristThisAssholeAgain.jpg

    • Meccalopolis

      If they followed their own logic, they should be applauding this guy

  • The KGB Ate Our Votes

    I volunteer to take one for the team and tune into Hannity’s radio show on my evening commute. He has been railing against the “Vicious, Radical Alt-Left” for weeks. It’s so funny how they can’t even come up with original put-downs. Maybe he will have Ann Coulter on again to screech about violent libtards.

    • Persistent Demme

      For the sake of your mental health, don’t do it!

  • Ms.MLG on Maui

    It really fucking sucks there’s been another mass shooting in the United States.

    • The KGB Ate Our Votes

      Mass shootings – as American as apple pie and Congressional baseball.

    • BoatOfVelociraptors

      Evergreen comment.

    • Mr. Blobfish

      There is plenty time for a third one today.

      • Indivisible Snark Tank

        Bite your tongue, Mr. B.

    • VirginiaLady

      Are you refering to the one in Virginia or Ca today? It was a twofer day in the USA:(

      • Ms.MLG on Maui

        Oh shit. VA. Didn’t know about CA. Jesus.

        • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

          Program! Program! Can’t tell the mass shootings without a program! There you go, little lady! Anything else? Popcorn, peanuts, Cracker Jack?

        • Persistent Demme

          Yeah, 4 dead plus the shooter, (he shot himself) in San Francisco.
          The shooter was a UPS driver who shot 4 other UPS drivers, (and probably wounded some, but I don’t have the info).
          So sad.
          Tragic.

          • Ms.MLG on Maui

            Damn.

      • Jennifer R

        and a normal shooting in brooklyn also too.

        • VirginiaLady

          Just saw that. Here – Clinton. You must now take a drink or three. God awful damned day!!

    • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

      Yes, it does. And the fact that the victims (and they are victims) are people many of us despise for their inhuman and loathsome ideology does not mitigate that fact.

      • Ms.MLG on Maui

        The thought of being shot at that way is so frightening. Just thinking about it makes my stomach hurt.

        • Marceline

          That’s the difference between you and them. You’ve still got that nasty “empathy” they hate so much. After the last election I chose to have mine removed.

  • Daniel Hooper

    Any chance this could be used in a positive manner to acknowledge that guns don’t discriminate by party and that maybe it’s time for some common sense regulations?… Any chance?… No? They’re just gonna use this as a bludgeon to support Trump Jr’s claim that Democrats aren’t even human, aren’t they?

    • VirginiaLady

      Too soon. Just pray!

    • Persistent Demme

      Silly Daniel!

  • Mr. Blobfish
    • Meccalopolis

      Who the fuck is that clown?

      • Mr. Blobfish

        Just your average, everyday, tea party patriot. But that was when the colored guy was president.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    I sometimes feel enraged, but frankly I don’t feel like shooting someone would even be satisfying. It’s like cheating. A fair fight with no weapons – now, that could be satisfying.*

    *Not recommending even that, of course. Just speaking hypothetically.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸
    • Shanzgood

      Re the Laslo tweet, they only cried because they’re scared for their own safety now.

      • sw19covfefe

        Empathy is hard!

        • Pisto75666

          Also hard to detect. Could be empathy, could be indigestion. Who can tell?

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            “*burp* Well either way, its passed.”

      • jesterpunk

        They still wont do anything except say we need more people with more guns.

    • janecita

      Fuck those Republicans! The shooter is the only one that died, he was a fucking idiot with very bad aim.

      • sw19covfefe

        They will probably take that as a “sign from god”

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      Gee, GOP, you mean it’s different when the victim is just like you? The deuce you say!

      • Ms.MLG on Maui

        Much sadder than when it’s innocent children.

    • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

      You rarely see lawmakers cry. I’ve talked to three Republicans in the past half hour who all broke down at one point in the interview.

      Tears of pure cowardice, I have no doubt.

    • Pilotshark

      “I’ve talked to three Republicans in the past half hour who all broke down at one point in the interview”

      why? was the rifle hurt when it fell to the ground?
      They could not be crying cause people was hurt.

    • Predisenting Ron

      Probably sad and scared that they might lose their NRA funding.

  • Lizzietish81

    I noticed during the election that there was a lot of Ron Paul supporters in Bernie’s coalition, so not really surprised.

    • Marceline

      It’s the revolution mindset. Kind of the way religious cultists move from one group to another.

      • sw19covfefe

        Precisely. I think you managed to say what I was saying below, but with about eleventy thousand fewer words. :)

  • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

    The irony is the shooter probably didn’t vote for Clinton because he considered her a warmonger.

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      Someone said in another thread that he voted Stein

    • Ninja0980

      He has plenty of posts about her as well, none of them good.

  • Upright Ape

    OBVIOUS FALSE FLAG, SHEEPLE!!!!! IT’S GUN GRABBERS AGAIN!!!!! CRISIS ACTORS!!!!! SCALISE WASN’T EVEN THERE!!!!!! #Scalisetruthers
    (to be read in Alex Jones voice)

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      nah, since it wasn’t some right wing loon, it officially happened, isn’t the manifestation of a mental health problem, and is in fact indicative and representative of liberals.

    • Mr. Blobfish

      Should my shirt be on or off?

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        depends on if you’ve had your BBQ plate yet today.

      • not_vh

        don’t throw your day-shirt.

      • Shanzgood

        Wait for the meat sweats, then you can take it off.

    • Andrew Rheinheimer

      Should I be supping on a bowl of chili shirtless, too?

    • not_vh

      needz moar all caps.

  • La forza del resistino

    Crazy person shoots up GOPers today and now the media is going thru his past politics like he was a rational person.

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      Well yes because IOKIYAR. They never bring up the right wingers politics.

      • Predisenting Ron

        And if someone else does (viz the Quebec City shooter) they scream IRRELEVANT until they’re blue in the mouth.

  • Bitter Scribe

    If Reagan could get shot and still oppose gun control, I doubt any of these guys will change their minds.

  • jesterpunk
    • The KGB Ate Our Votes

      I miss you, Bamz ♥

      • jesterpunk

        Dont we all. ☹️

    • arglebargle

      Needz moar tie scotch tape.

      • The KGB Ate Our Votes

        Men’s Warehouse LIBELZ!!!!1!!1

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          You’re going to like the way you look- I guarantee it!

          • Three Finger Salute

            OR ELSE! -Trump

      • jesterpunk

        Obama actually had good fitted suits not like the cheap crap Trump wears.

        • The KGB Ate Our Votes
        • BigCSouthside

          Trump allegedly wears Brioni, but I guess his tailor is blind

          • jesterpunk

            He doesnt even wear his own suits and ties? SAD!!!

          • BigCSouthside

            I think he wears his own ties, but not suits.

          • Indivisible Snark Tank

            I am outraged! He should only wear clothing made in the USA, not that Malaysian shit that bears his name!

        • Shanzgood

          It’s hard to make a suit fit on a Weeble.

  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/EdgeofSports/status/875055542254931968
    Yup, not a peep about that but we will hear about this over and over again even though no one other then the POS shooter died.

    • cmd resistor

      Was that the kid who just graduated from college and waiting for a ride when stabbed?

  • BoatOfVelociraptors

    In the words of the late great Bowie…
    https://youtu.be/u7APmRkatEU?t=2m52s

  • The KGB Ate Our Votes

    Is Trump going to throw out the first pitch tomorrow? Asking for all of humanity.

    • Wild Cat

      Give the shit great seats near first or third. Nothing can stop a tightly-overwound baseball hit by a living steroid heading into the stands.*

      *with all-star votes

    • Manders

      I doubt it. He wouldn’t want to do anything that might make him look foolish.

      *snerk*

  • not_vh

    Question to Sen. Paul. what is tyranny?
    Is taking away your guns tyranny? How about minimum wage, healthcare, rights against prejudice & discrimination?

    PS: answer acceptable with or without pants.

    • Wild Cat

      Fug you with your post-post-modernist rational Enlightenment, Buddy. /s/

    • TJ Barke

      To Paul, the only tyranny is not letting them do whatever they want with their property.

  • Wild Cat

    “Brigette the Midget Loves Bernie” is on at 9pm, folks.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      whut? What is that? And on what?

      • Wild Cat

        CBS, of course.

        • Lance Thrustwell

          I iz sceptikal.

          • Wild Cat

            Saint Bernie does say he loves the little people, no?

  • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

    has anybody yet found an old trump tweet extolling the virtues of gun ownership and its relationship to government?

    Cause remember the 3rd Rule of Trumpodynamics.

  • SweetDeeKat

    Ta-Nehisi Coates had this covered when the rubes were telling blah people to behave and not indulge in violence while police keep murdering black men. Time to reread.

  • shastakoala

    Unfortunately baseball is no longer America’s favorite pastime.

  • Ricky Gay

    When will we address the problem of white on white crime?

    • God Emperor Emeritus

      Especially white men.

  • elviouslyqueer

    As a native Louisianian, I will not be the first (nor the last) to say that Scalise is a total and complete insane shitbasket motherfucker. But nobody, nobody ever deserves to get shot.

    That is all.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Maybe the guy just had a lot of money riding on the Democratics.

    • Wild Cat

      Are they as good as the Klezmatics?

  • disqus_lWwzrwNaw6

    Most of the Republicans I’ve heard speaking out on this so far today seem to feel that the solution is to enshrine the broadest possible application of the Second Amendment (everybody–get guns!) but maybe we need to do something about that pesky First Amendment, and all those liberals saying mean things about Donald and his Republicans. Turns out, guns don’t kill people, liberals kill people.

    Newt Gingrich, who, of course, threw in the obligatory shots at Shakespeare and Kathy Griffin, even cast some of the blame on New York’s Senator Gillibrand for having recently used the word “fuck” , which apparently has created such a vulgar public tone that people just can’t help shooting Republican members of Congress, or something.

    Evidently the real menace to public peace is not Nino Scalia’s interpretation of the Second Amendment, but the mere existence of the First.

    Democrats being allowed to express opinions about the dark money Republican campaign to destroy democracy is an incitement to violence, so we’d all better shut up.

    • The KGB Ate Our Votes

      Republicans are clutching their pearls because Senator Gilibrand said ‘fuck’?

      https://youtu.be/MBLv6rmnYf4

    • cmd resistor

      Well of course those hysterical uppity women should not be using the F-word.

      • Meccalopolis

        And making white men nervous

    • BigCSouthside

      I fully expect restrictions on assembly and speech after this

      • laughingnome

        I heard some talk about town halls earlier. They are thinking about it. I think it was Brat who said it soon after the tragedy. There’s no tragedy the GOP will not exploit for their own benefit.

        • UncleTravelingMatt

          They’ve been thinking about it for a few months now. They will try to use this to criminalize political speech. Such is their nature.

    • laughingnome

      They detest the first amendment when they aren’t using it.

      • UncleTravelingMatt

        And don’t understand it when they are.

    • Three Finger Salute

      But they won’t restrict the religious part, except for non-Christians (and Zionist Jews, the only Jews they tolerate because they want to purge the desert of Arabs, thus enabling the Dominionist fantasy of Jesus coming home from college and killing them all).

      If anything, they’ll double down on it, parroting the old Westboro line of “God punished America for ___” (electing Obama, legalizing marriage equality, letting Muslims in, outlawing slavery, giving women the vote, etc. etc. etc.). Because what we really need for July 4 is moar rockets’ red glare from NRA arsenal-hoarder Jesus, amirite?

      When the fuck is J.T. going to open up St. Pierre’s Gate to U.S. ‘fugees from the world’s largest free-range insane asylum…

  • puredog

    God, I love this website almost more than life itself. That is all.

    • The KGB Ate Our Votes

      Must be a dog thing. I have the same feels. :)

      • Wild Cat

        I wanna scratch both of your canine eyes out, but purrhaps I agree with you all.

      • Msgr_MΩment

        I could leg-hump the pus outta this site.

        • The KGB Ate Our Votes

          Oy! My 8 yr old avi mutt just had to have surgery to have an undescended testicle removed. He’s off the stuffed animal humping……for now….

          • Msgr_MΩment

            Thoughts and prayers…. and innocent bellyrubs.

          • The KGB Ate Our Votes

            Aww, thanks. He gave us a scare and had to spend a night at the vet’s, but now he’s healing well and is accepting bellyrubs again. :)

      • Red Bird Ω

        Birds also too.

        • The KGB Ate Our Votes

          ((( tosses bread crumbs )))

    • BeachBum

      ” I love a nice MLT, when the mutton is nice and lean.”

    • Three Finger Salute

      Me too! Recipes and Trubama pictures and cynical snarky humor, oh my!

  • TJ Barke

    I wonder how many people with screennames that essentially boil down to “Kill all liberals” will be decrying liberal’s violent rhetoric. Oh, that’s right, aot,k…

    • Crank Tango

      Some of them will be talking an awful lot about buttsechs.

  • Maree Martin

    Yes let’s pretend it’s all the fault of progressives becoming violent. After all Gabby Giffords was a well known conservative when she was shot point blank in the back of the head right? Gun violence does not discriminate by political party.

  • squidkid

    One of the many things Berners and Trumpers have in common: sending tweets to women (and some men) online threatening to rape and behead them. While I am definitely disgusted, I’m just not surprised they’re taking their hate out into public and attacking people. They’re unhinged. They live on dehumanizing other people.

    • Red Bird Ω

      I might in the minority but I always suspected that Bernie Bros as closet racists and misogynists who didn’t want to admit it because they liked the social programs that the liberals supported.

      • Marceline

        Those closet doors got thrown open the minute we denied them their Bernie Sanders action figure for Christmas. They’ve been exceptionally vicious in the last few months as we’ve been dealing with special elections and then they went totally flying monkey after Montana.

        • Red Bird Ω

          What happened in Montana?

          • Marceline

            Quist lost the special election. That seemed to throw some gas on the fire of “Dems are evil!” because apparently Montana should’ve been a slam dunk after Gianforte committed assault. Ignore that whole “early voting” thing.

          • Red Bird Ω

            We’re not dealing with rational people. The Democrats are blamed for a Republican winning in a red state?

          • Marceline

            Yep.

          • DT

            The Democrats are blamed for a Republican winning a red state when Bernie told the DNC to stay away and ran the show.

          • Meccalopolis

            But Osoff can sure make everything alright

          • Marceline

            That’s going to be a squeaker. I have a friend who lives in GA6 and it sounds like Ossoff’s ground game is off the chain. When I told her that she was basically experiencing my life in Ohio every four years (and every time Sherrod Brown is on the ballot) she basically sent me thoughts and prayers. I really hope Ossoff can do this. I also hope Archie Parnell can pull it out in SC5 although he’s not getting nearly as much attention.

          • Carpe Vagenda

            It was supposed to be Sanders’ coronation as the future of the Democratic party, and he flooded the zone (and I suspect told the DNC to stay away) while he Bernie-branded Quist and took credit for a flood of mainstream donations that came in.

            Except he lost. And two hours later his surrogates were aggressively pushing the talking point that the cowboy singer with Bernie tatooed on his ass lost because as much as Montanans are wild about socialism, they hate Nancy Pelosi.

          • Red Bird Ω

            Wow. Someone can’t take responsibility for his failure.

      • BeachBum

        IDK, but I did think some were very unreasonable and maybe violent if they were really in support of social programs. Of course I was looking at them thru a lens of Viet Nam and Civil Rights protests.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        I don’t think the bros gave a fuck about social programs. I think they wanted to punch liberals and ladies and brown people and they were counting on concern trolling to keep those people from punching back. And I think most Sanders voters genuinely didn’t know they existed.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Just not for “those people.” They’re cool with gays too, but not if they’re “too gay.” Mostly, I think they only cared about legalizing weed and burning down Wall Street. Which is fine, but not the end-all be-all of shit that needs to get sorted out.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      Can we just call them the alt-left? Because their place on the bern train was always opportunistic —every one of them would would campaign for dread Cthulhu if he paid in rubles and the crushed souls of Democrats—and it’s rhetorically placing us against people who voted sincerely for Sanders in the primary. And I’m getting a little fucking tired of it. They’re griefers, pure and simple, and now that people here are following the money train the new crop are alt-right socks from Canada.

      And also, like their compatriots on the alt-right (fair amount of overlap on that venn diagram) they create an atmosphere where people marinate in toxic shit 24/7 and things like this happen.

      • squidkid

        That is true. I supported Bernie in the primaries then supported Hillary afterwards. I stopped liking Bernie once I saw how terrible his fan base is. They really didn’t mind voting for Trump as a “protest”. I’m Mexican-American and LGBT so of course I didn’t support Trump. These alt-left dudes don’t care about anyone but themselves. They just want to stick it to muh establishmentz and get free weed and college.

        • Oblios_Cap

          Me, three.

        • Meccalopolis

          Pretty much

    • Suttree

      I will admit that I voted for Bernie in the primary. He wasn’t a fucking nutjob back then. He totally lost his shit afterwards.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Who you gonna believe? Bernie Saunders or Steven Fucking King?
    http://siouxcityjournal.com/news/state-and-regional/iowa/steve-king-ties-baseball-shooting-to-violence-from-the-left/article_32b11271-81cc-5b44-bae9-1e35bfbd6366.html Steve King ties baseball shooting to violence from ‘The Left’

    • cmd resistor

      He is despicable.

      • Msgr_MΩment

        He’s a bottomless bucket of deplorable.

    • Invidosa

      For a minute my heart was lifted with expectations to hear what illustrious and brilliant horror author, Stephan king had to say on this matter, considering he’s been blocked from reading the orange wonders Twitter. . . . Then I clicked through and was disappointed as hell. I don’t wanna here what this fuckwi had to say. What I do want is to throw water balloons at his face filled with paint and ky jelly

      • Invidosa

        And maybe pee. Water balloons filled with pee

    • Carpe Vagenda

      Well, since Steven fucking King didn’t, to my knowledge, comment when his supporters threw a cozy terrorist campaign and drove his opponent out of the race with death threats, I’m going to say that I don’t believe him.

      I think Bernie owns a great deal of damage to the left, but he doesn’t own his voters.

  • Jennifer R

    Add to the list of things that peach pinochette lies about: The condition of Rep Scalise. Reports now say that he remains in critical condition after surgery.

    Being shot in the hip is a serious and life threatening wound. I am not surprised that he might actually die from this.

    • Wild Cat

      Yeah, but he lost a lot of liquor!

    • cmd resistor

      I still find it somewhat odd that Trump is the one who announced the shooter was dead.

      • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

        I’m sure someone told him and he had to blab. Because, you know, he knows what is appropriate and not appropriate to say.

        • cmd resistor

          Yeah I was just reading another story, I think in Politico, that was talking about victims at the hospital and how later one was said to be dead but officials wouldn’t confirm if it was the shooter. So looks like for whatever reason, law enforcement didn’t intend to make that info public but Trump went ahead.

      • Wild Cat

        Remember when a Boston Bombing suspect was shot in the back in the FBI HQ attacking a FBI agent?
        Any shit goes in this shithole of a “nation.”

      • The KGB Ate Our Votes

        Telephone.
        Telegraph.
        Tell Donnie Two Scoops.
        He’s a child who was just told a secret. There’s no stopping him from blabbing it.

        • Shanzgood

          Donnie Two Scoops is my favorite nick for him now!

      • A BURN on Obummer’s head and his WEAK LOSER killing of Osama bin Laden!

    • Reince Pubis

      Republicans can rest easy – the NRA has assured me that mass shootings are so rare as to be inconsequential. Why is this story even being covered?

      • cmd resistor

        Meanwhile, 3 dead plus shooter in San Francisco.

        • Jennifer R

          Up to three now? And the shooter?

          • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

            Yup. Police apparently confronted him, he put the gun to his head and pulled the trigger. He was dressed in a UPS uniform, but they weren’t saying whether he was a current, former, or non-employee of the company.

          • cmd resistor

            and I think a couple wounded, also, too.

        • Suttree

          An aberration I’m sure.

        • Shanzgood

          DAmn. Last I heard it was only 2

        • thixotropic jerk

          RWNJ Logix: Ghey Liebrul Violence Against Packages (“He hates the oil cans!”) Creates Tornadoes and Earthquakes herrh herrh durrh!11!!1

      • Jennifer R

        Yeah it’s not like this is the 58th shooting with 5 wounded in the last 18 months or anything!

        • Reince Pubis

          Give republicans some slack – they’re busy concentrating on the REAL menace: transexual bathroom attacks.

          • Jennifer R

            Yeah, it’s real easy to sneak up on us when we are trying to take a piss.

  • (((fka_donnie_d)))

    So, Republican legislators are literally carrying water for businesses whose products put holes in their bodies. But, inner-city blacks are the ones voting against their own interests. Riiight.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      “GOP takes a bullet for the NRA”

      • Suttree

        COTD!

  • Fancy Meau-Faux

    RWNJ, “The tree of liberty…..wait, the guy is a lefty? That doesn’t apply to him?!?”.

  • Ms.MLG on Maui

    After something like this, there’s only one thing left to do-go around the table, and say fantastic things about Donald Trump.

    • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

      “Mr. Trump sweats less than any fat, woefully out of shape 70 year old I’ve ever met! And he doesn’t smell too terrible either!”

      • Ms.MLG on Maui

        I know how hard that was for you.

      • Yr. Gma

        Isn’t he 71 today?

        • Msgr_MΩment

          OTGDY.

    • squidkid

      “If Trump had been there… he would’ve stopped the bullets with his magical little hands! #MAGA”

    • Invidosa

      Don’t forget to pass around the best blow jobs tips for tiny peni. . . Gotta learn to please the hideous orange Cheeto vomit

      • Suttree

        If it weren’t for the fact that I take two Pepcids a day, i WOULD HAVE VOMITED.

      • Hizzoner

        The saddest thing I thought today is that Melania would be the person to give those tips. I often feel intense pity for her. I know she signed up to marry the Orange Great Leader, but still….

    • sw19covfefe

      The fact he managed to win the electoral college seems pretty fantastical.

      • Suttree

        Historic even. The largest margin ever. At least that’s what his people told him.

  • Everrett Fanuelli

    Wait until this all dies down every R politician will be blaming the left, saying we need to re-examine the first amendment and that the Russia investigation should be dropped so we can unite as country.

    • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

      Aren’t they kind of saying that already? I’ve been getting that impression.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Legislation to keep guns out of the hands of Democrat domestic abusers in 3….2…..
    What comes after 2 again?

    • Wild Cat

      Depends?

    • jesterpunk

      They will pass a bill to give out free guns payed for with tax payer money.

    • Lefty Wright

      Corinthians.

    • Crank Tango

      Profit?

    • Mary Theresa

      Eleventy four?

    • redarmyzombie

      All of them, Katie.

  • sw19covfefe
    • not_vh

      Mark Gongloff‏Verified account @markgongloff 3h3 hours ago
      More
      Replying to @DaviSusan
      Mark Gongloff Retweeted Susan Davis
      Hope they can pull it together in time to vote for easier access to silencers

      • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

        Or as they call it, the “Hearing Safety Bill”.

  • Suttree

    Apparently the price of freedom is to let everyone have access to guns. Even If it’s a crazy nutjob who espouses left wing ideology. Really. Fuck Guns!

  • The KGB Ate Our Votes
    • cmd resistor

      Ha, that made me laugh even without sound (at work).

    • Vecchioivan

      When you’re a Dem 🎶
      You’re a Dem all the way
      🎶 From your first Chardonnay
      Til you’re last dying day 🎶

  • m3bosha

    Hmmm. I am also too quite curious how long it will take for Rand Paul to make comment on being shot at after saying that is what the 2nd is for. Deathbed, maybe? Or will he turn around and use the standard repub line of “just because those are the words I used, liberals are twisting them to fit their agenda”?

  • BrendaKay

    Thank you for highlighting this: “there is one attribute he shared with most other mass shooters: a history of violence against women.”

  • jesterpunk
    • Jennifer R

      That sure is unmistakably Green Day.

  • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist
  • laughingnome

    How much is too much blood for the tree of liberty?

    • jesterpunk

      No such thing.

      NRA

      • laughingnome

        Well, you know you can over water.

        • jesterpunk

          But how else can the NRA show how tiny their dick is?

    • Msgr_MΩment

      “You can never have too much blood on the streets of America.”
      — SNL TMI skit, updated

    • Three Finger Salute

      Doesn’t count as “tree of liberty” revolution, because he did it for Comrade Sanders and now we have to come for the communists/socialists/trade unionists.

      Or something.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Where was all this outrage when cops were killing black…..
    Ooops, sorry. I answered my own question.

  • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

    WaPo: How common are shootings that wound 5 people … this is the 53rd in 18 months FFS!!!

    • Jennifer R

      We like shooting people to express ourselves here.

  • Three Finger Salute

    ♫♪♬

    Baseball
    Gunshots
    Mental illness
    NRA

    Baseball
    Blood clots
    Bullet wounds and
    Covfefé

    They go together
    In the good ol’ USA

    Baseball
    Gunshots
    Mental illness
    NRA!

    ♫♪♬

  • Lucas Foxx

    I hope Scalise makes a full recovery and rethinks his positions on reasonable gun regulations. “Shot in the hip” is often a euphemism for “shot in the ass.” I hope he doesn’t suffer brain damage.

    • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

      “I hope he doesn’t suffer brain damage.”

      Too late.

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      That cash-money ain’t changing no minds

    • Notreelyhelping

      I winced when I saw “shot in the hip” because (unless it’s in the head, throat, or heart) it’s not so much where the bullet goes in as it is where it ends up. And high-velocity rounds can get very creative. So I wouldn’t be too surprised to hear that Congressman Scalise will require some rehab before he goes back to work.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Assuming there is a brain to damage in the first place?

  • Yr. Gma

    Have we wished the Fat Fuck a happy 71st birthday?

    • No.

    • jesterpunk
      • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

        No. Not like that. With votes against GOPers everywhere.

    • GreenGoldSharpie

      No, I hope his fucking cake is stale.

      • Jennifer R

        I hope it’s made in the same kitchen that made that fucking taco bowl.

      • Invidosa

        I hope its as fucking fake as his inauguration cake was and he gets a face full of styrofoam. . . And vomits for a week. . . Cause he’d be stupid enough to swallow

      • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

        I hope it’s carrot.

        • Vecchioivan

          You fiend!

        • Indivisible Snark Tank

          With a canned clam buttercream.

        • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

          But, carrot cake is the only cake I like … sniff.

          • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

            You like it. I like it. But Donnie Two Scoops? No way.

      • Jenny

        I hope it is decorated with Comey’s pubes.

        • Three Finger Salute

          How about Preibus Pubis?

        • Meccalopolis

          You know he eats tons of special sauce with every meal

    • Oblios_Cap

      I hope it’s miserable.

      • The KGB Ate Our Votes

        Well, Melania showed up yesterday. And did you see that Barron was not wearing a three piece suit and was wearing a regular kid t-shirt when he stepped off Marine One? Good for him! You could tell by the look on Trump’s face that he wanted to throw the kid down a flight of stairs for wearing it, but the cameras were on. :)

        • Someone needs to feed Barron.

          • The KGB Ate Our Votes

            Well, living at the WH had fattened Trump right up. ;-)

          • Indivisible Snark Tank

            Where do you think the second scoop of ice cream came from? Poor Barron gets none.

          • Shanzgood

            He’s just grown suddenly a bit too tall for his weight.

          • MizzMazz

            And he probably doesn’t want to look like his dad. Boys get eating disorders too. I must say, I did love his shirt though :D

          • Three Finger Salute

            I think they lock him in the attic and feed him table scraps from “Trump brand steaks™”.

        • Three Finger Salute

          I actually don’t think he likes Barron, if indeed there is something wrong with him and thus messes with Stump’s fantasy of eugenic perfection. He doesn’t really like anybody, probably not even himself. It’s all just braggadocio to mask profound insecurity. Hence the textbook Napoleon complex where he constantly talks about how yuge this or that was (his crowd, his hands, his “victory” margin), and how it’s yuger and biglier than anything, ever.

          The domineering handshake and how he gets back at people who out-perform him. He underestimated Trudeau as a sissy because that’s what the RWNJ bullshit paints him as: effeminate, “beta,” lisping, and most importantly, “limp-wristed.” Then Trudeau almost breaks Dump’s arm, and all of a sudden there’s a trade war with Canada. Macron had the “Frenchly squeezed orange juice” grip at G7, so Dump thinks he’s going to “humiliate” France by withdrawing from the climate agreement. He wouldn’t even give Merkel the time of day because why bother, she’s just a woman (and no way was he going to let a woman beat him at his own game).

          Dump is dangerously insecure — like Hitler with the one ball, who exaggerated his “manliness” to the point where it nearly destroyed the whole world. On the macro level this is bad enough. But on the micro level — his, er, “family” — I worry what’ll happen to poor little Barron, because his imperfection (whatever it might be) probably gives Dump a toothache. The fact that more people like the kid than do his father (because they feel sorry for him) only adds to the problems he faces.

    • The KGB Ate Our Votes

      Over his dead body.

      • Indivisible Snark Tank

        I don’t wish anyone dead. I’d like to see him alone, penniless and suffering on his 99th birthday, wondering where it all went wrong, and with people STILL tweeting about what a shitty politician human being he is.

        • Three Finger Salute

          I’d like that too, except I hope Twitter goes bankrupt by the end of the decade. Or gets bought out in a hostile takeover and shut down completely, along with Failbook and everything else that’s enabled the instantaneous mass production of Pepe memes and birther conspiracies and played a yuge part in this mess.

    • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

      I can’t think of any birthday wishes I could express for the goddamn asshole that would not grossly violate the rules.

    • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

      Happy birthday, Donnie! Give yourself the gift of resignation. Resignation is the gift that keeps on giving, so keep on giving that sweet, sweet, resignation.

    • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

      Sure! With few exceptions.

    • Meccalopolis

      Happy fuckface, fuckface

      (That was immature but enjoyable)

  • And maybe we don’t need all these goddamned guns.

    Well, now you’re talking crazy. Today’s shooting tells us that we need guns in the dugout, guns under each base, a gun buried in the pitcher’s mound, and definitely a gun at shortstop.

    That should make us safe and stop those ballplayers from stealing bases.

    • Vecchioivan

      And snipers inside the scoreboards.

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      just make it easy and have every player carry one…sliding into home when bothhe runner and catcher are packing may prove to be dangerous, but freedom, blah blah blah.

    • not_vh

      i was picturing a batter with a rifle slung over his shoulder and a slugger in his hands.

    • The KGB Ate Our Votes

      We need vendors in the stands selling hot dogs, crackerjack and ammo.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Popcorn! Peanuts! Get-cha .357 Magnums hee-ah!

    • Three Finger Salute

      I know: Why not just get rid of baseball bats and let the guy at the plate shoot the ball instead of hitting it.

  • SadDemInTex

    I want to apologize to Wonkers as I may have attracted a ShitforBrains candidate to our safe house. I called out an obvious troll (someone purporting to be a person of color calling out to kill all white people with no picture and very stupid on this particular site). Look out for this nut job. I won’t see them because I blocked them.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Username just so we know? If that’s kosher to do in the non-comment section.

      • SadDemInTex

        It was TeaParty something or other

        • redarmyzombie

          Because of course it would be…

  • Jesus H. Tap-Dancing Christ, now we’ve gone from a calendar that shows how many mass shootings there are in a month, to how many a DAY:

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/us/san-francisco-shooting/index.html

  • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

    The fact that he was a domestic abuser needs to be shouted from the rooftops. Try Googling “domestic abuser turned murderer” and prepare to be legitimately horrified.

    Domestic abuse is an issue most rational people should be able to agree on, yet we do not do anything meaningful to combat it. Our laws are, clearly, a joke (this guy, case-in-point) and even when the laws are enforced to the fullest extent, the result is generally a slap on the wrist.

    We are not talking about people who fight. I’ve been married over twenty year now ad Sandra and I have our moments. We shout and swear like drunken sailors. That said, we’ve never abused each other in any way. Never a hit, never even so much as a tap in anger. That’s just not how things work and we all know that.

    Domestic abuse is not just physical. In fact, the most horrific cases always, always, always have a huge psychological element. This is exactly why domestic violence victims rarely come forward and why so many are murdered as a result of it. Domestic violence is absolutely about dehumanization and we all know where that leads. Maybe we could ask Ted Bundy about that, but thank god, he’s fucking dead.

    I have known and loved a lot of people who survived domestic vioilence and domestic abuse. A first, everyone who has gone through it is flinchy, terrified, usually physically unable to speak above a mumble and always apologetic to a fault. These are skills they had to develop. Tools that kept them alive.

    PTSD, major depression, panic disorders, suicidal ideations, all come from suffering abuse, Maybe if we had a society that prized mental health as highly as it prizes material wealth, we could knock out a huge chunk of human suffering.

    There are hundreds of millions of silent sufferers. Men, women, children, the elderly, all carrying the stigma of being victims of domestic violence. They suffer in silence because nobody really wants to hear from them. Nobody wants to “know” that their local pastor rapes his son or that the pillar of the community is the reason his wife can’t stop walking into doors.

    I have long advocated a huge change with this. I watched it happen to my mother. I could tell you stories of my own childhood that would give you nightmares. If we really think about it, don’t we all know someone who has been affected by this? Aren’t some of us, ourselves, affected by this? I know some of you are, you have told me as much.

    We need better laws. Domestic abusers should not be able to own a gun. They will use it on someone else. The will become more violent. We know this is true. We need to do better!

    Sermon is over. The mount is now turned over to the next user.

    • Predisenting Ron

      Good sermon.
      But those who need to hear it never will.

      • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

        Of course not. Still, it felt good to write it, so there is that.

    • Three Finger Salute

      So much this. Thank you. My father was and still is a domestic abuser, and yes, my mother couldn’t “just leave” — and neither can I, because of all the things you mentioned. “PTSD, major depression, panic disorders, suicidal ideations” — are viewed negatively in society. The shame and stigma of being “off” even though it’s not my own fault has made me a “virtual” (in more ways than one, because my only interactions with people are over the internet, and I only go out for things I absolutely have to, like annual physicals) recluse. Which only makes the situation worse, because I end up hiding in my room to stay away from my father.

      I don’t have a job; I wish I could get a job, but I’ll probably never have a job. That makes me a traitor to my country because I’m a “sponge” and a “useless eater” even though I’m not collecting welfare. I’d be thought of as even more of one if I was on public assistance — especially since it’d go down in the paper trail of why I’d be on public assistance. I’d rather be dead than have to suffer the indignity of being “outed” as part of this or that axis in the DSM, with all the additional social ostracism it creates. Cancer begets sympathy, ribbon campaigns and 5K charity runs. Mental illness begets people running the other way and insulting you as a “whack job.”

      PTSD is only associated with veterans, and even they’re expected to just “get over it” and “pull up by the bootstraps” otherwise be branded as weak and “sissies.” If you’re a woman, you’re just “whining” or being “hysterical” and you’ve got “daddy issues” from “being a spoiled brat.” Nobody cares about crazy people, per the title of this book I recommend (the title of which comes from a callous comment by an aide to Scott Walker). You’re either a snowflake complainer or a serial killer. Either way, you’re an enemy of the state, an unpatriotic traitor to your people, and a damn near heretic whose suffering is due to not being sufficiently pious enough. That “logic” in and of itself is enough to drive anyone mad.

      The fucking president of the United States made fun of a physically disabled man. His views of the mentally disabled can’t be much better. His son who he claims to care so much about, and who is probably autistic or ADHD or has something else wrong with him, is practically locked away from view — not necessarily for his own protection, but to keep him out of the public eye as an embarrassment like Rosemary Kennedy.

      I’m mentally ill. I know it’s not my fault. I know I went through hell not only witnessing the violence perpetrated against my mother, but experiencing the same against me. Yet I’m in self-imposed exile because, like you said, few people if anyone understand this enough to generate sympathy for the person and go a little easier on them. We euthanize dogs that can’t be properly re-socialized after coming from abusive home environments. So why can’t I have the peaceful pill in a veterinarian’s office too?

      • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

        I hear you. I’m mentally ill as well. If I’d been given a choice, I wouldn’t have been treated at all. I had my rights stripped from me by a judge (5150) and that got me started down the path I’m on now.

        I don’t view my own life as much different than neurotypical people’s. We’re all trying to figure out how to be the best versions of ourselves. Sometimes we fail miserably. Some people start out life in a different place in the game than others do.

        I think you’re kind of a badass just for still being alive. I wish you’d stop caring about social norms. Embrace ostracism because society is a lot sicker than we will ever be. The one’s who call the shots are the “whack-jobs”, not us. What kind of disease does a person have to have that makes them think they know life so well that they can tell evryone else how to live it anyway?

        I just say “screw them”. Life is life and this one is mine. I hate mine most times. I wish mine would just stop most times, but it’s still mine and I can live it how I see fit. I can also check out whenever I choose.

        • Three Finger Salute

          Sorry to hear that you got 5150’ed. I never did because I fly under the radar. The caveat is that, like I said, I end up being the hunchback in the bell tower in a self-imposed exile. But as for social conformity, caring about social norms is hard-wired into us evolutionary-wise. In the caveman days, if you weren’t part of the tribe, you got cut off from access to essential group resources like food, shelter, and protection, and wouldn’t survive at all — no matter how much of a “badass” you were.

          This is kind of why rugged individualism is actually anathema to the human condition, no matter how romanticized the Randroid lolbertarians fantasize about Spencerism and leaving the rabble to rot (which even Darwin thought of as a bastardized abuse of his research by his attention-seeking cousin).

          Nowadays, it’s easier to be a loner because we’ve got more than enough population that a few bachelors and spinsters here and there won’t crater the numbers of the species. But that need for acceptance is part of the firmware that got us to this point in the first place. It’s not that easy to just let go.

          Which means it’s even tougher of a go in life if you don’t conform to whatever the social norms are, whether you choose to or whether it’s just by circumstance of fate that you turned out “different”. They’re more effectively and militantly policed and scrutinized because of technology and because there’s so many people competing for the same resources trying to shove someone else out.

          Plus, the crumbs are dwindling thanks to the ruthless Spencerists at the top. It shouldn’t be a game of musical chairs but it is. Trump’s slogan for his lame ripoff of Monopoly — “It’s not whether you win or lose; it’s whether you win” — might not be the law of nature, but a small group of mutants have made it the law of the land.

          Inevitably, I’m going to end up being one of those without the chair (not even Clint’s, lol), because I couldn’t keep up with “the game.” No participation trophies this time. No parting gifts and not even a silver or bronze medal. My parents are getting older — including my abusive asshole father. When they’re gone, there’ll be nothing left for me. I’ll be kicked out of the mammoth-hunter tribe for good — and the music will stop, with nary a chair, bar stool, or bean bag to be found.

          In a way, though, it’ll be merciful. Like those dogs who can’t be re-socialized and end up being put down. At least nobody’s hurting them anymore and they don’t have to fear the apex predator. Fool me once and all that.

    • DT

      Most men are taught (as boys) that another man’s autonomy is more important than anyone’s safety.

      • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

        Most men are taught a lot of stupid things.

        • DT

          Yeah, I wasn’t endorsing it.

          • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

            Didn’t think you were. I took it as you stating a fact and, well, you’re not wrong. I got taught a lot of bullshit as well. I got better, though.

  • Jenny

    Wait there was a lobbyist practicing with the congressional baseball team?? They can’t even separate themselves from the lobbyists for a baseball game? Ugh!

    • cmd resistor

      Maybe he was the DH.

    • miss_grundy

      Yep, the lobbyist had worked for Tyson’s or currently working for Tyson’s. And the lobbyist was shot multiple times.

  • thixotropic jerk

    Look it’s a quadruple rightwing play!

    1) Blame the left for restricting access to guns
    0) Blame the left for violence
    1B) Blame the left for Not Making America Great Again
    0B) Shoot* the left in their 1st Amendments

    *This is not literal This is metaphorical Not advocating it Ironicalizing it

    • Rick Hill

      Those folks have, basically, shown there is no understanding, no acceptance of actual facts, no rational thought. Only that they are correct and all else vindicates this

  • chascates
    • cmd resistor

      “Marginals.” Is that new?

      • The KGB Ate Our Votes

        Spellcheck says ‘yes’.

    • The KGB Ate Our Votes

      “Violence by Marginals” is the way of our world. Also a pretty decent band name.

    • jesuswasablack

      So if a “marginal” kills someone on a day that ends in Y Savage will have predicted it, the man is the oracle of our time!

      • thixotropic jerk

        For some reason I read that last bit as “the man is the Oral Cletus of our time.” New prescription or –maybe not?

  • Rick Hill

    “We wonder if being shot at this morning felt … freedomy?”

    Based on his reported actions after the shooting I’d say the answer to that was “Depends”

  • cmd resistor

    I didn’t realize Newt had written a book about Trump. He had some words of “wisdom” — that the shooting was the result of “increasing intensity of hostility” on the left.

    • The KGB Ate Our Votes

      Well, having a foreign power hack our election and saddle us with a criminally corrupt POSOTUS with a bigly electoral vote loss and a 60% disapproval rating tends to breed feelings of intense hostility.

      • thixotropic jerk

        Y U HATE MRKA BRA??!11?

  • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

    It takes a lot more than sharing memes on Facebook to be an actual liberal. He’s not a liberal. In this country, liberals don’t try to murder people. That’s simply not consistent with liberalism. Once you cross the line where political murder is “okay”, you cease to be involved in the conversation at all.

    • Chris

      I never confused radical Sanders supporters with being liberals.

      • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

        Me either, just not really in the mood for trumpers claiming “MSM LIB HATE!”

        • Chris

          That would be two of us. Radicals are radicals and extremists have more in common with other extremists than they do with moderate people who may express interest and belief in the same issues.

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      And also too, aren’t we the soft, helicopter parents who believe in safe spaces and participation trophies? This guy and his wife appear to have been brutal child abusers.

      • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

        Yeah, abuse is not an attractive quality. Honestly, if I’d ever met this man, I would have been instantly repelled by him. I have the superpower of being able to spot potential abusers on sight. It’s my only gift, really.

        • marxalot

          You’re out ahead of a lot of people on that one, though. It’s useful.

          • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

            Learned at an obscenely young age, I’m afraid. It has served me well in adulthood though.

          • marxalot

            I’ve known too many women who spotted and reacted to it, but (thanks childhood trauma), interpreted it as a green light, not a “run the hell away” warning siren.

          • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

            Me too. I will never fully understand why.

    • Sister Suffragette

      I said this in an earlier thread, so I hope nobody minds me repeating it here. I had a chatty Uber driver a few weeks ago — middle-aged rural white guy — and we got to talking politics. He seemed totally reasonable at first: anti-fracking, anti-Trump, pro-ACA. Then he started praising Bernie to the skies and going on and on about how he was robbed by the DNC. Then he launched a 20-minute rant about the deep state, about how the Clintons have murdered 50 people in Arkansas alone, and all kinds of conspiracy theory nonsense. He kept telling me to look stuff up on Youtube when I got home. I literally could not follow what he was saying, he was so addled.

      The wingnuts have managed to incorporate Bernie into their worldview in a really scary way.

      • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

        Wow. Crazy has no political ideology. Crazy simply is.

        • Sister Suffragette

          Yep. It was a real eye opener for me.

      • AJ Milne

        I’ve likewise met people not far from that.

        I figure it for a suggestibility about institutional and established power. They don’t hate _all_ institutions, aren’t quite the standard order internet glibertarian, in the sense they’re okay with the government actually doing things (your guy was okay with ACA). But if someone tells them someone in power was up to no good, they believe that pretty readily. Bill and Hillz, there’s all this stuff out there been spread for decades now by the Axis O’ Weasels, and they sponge that up. And Bernie wuz robbed (as opposed to none too enthusiastically encouraged, with most of the exhibits of DNC people saying enough already turning up _after_ he was kinda numerically out of it anyway) because of _course_ he was. Anyone actually _in_ power or in the bureaucracy or at all centrist/pragmatic is _probably_ in league with some devil. Assume so unless otherwise demonstrated. Or somethin’ near there.

        I wonder if it’s something about a taste for the startling, even. This stuff always seems so… lurid. It’s never just yeah, even when you’ve got a halfway functional legislature, laws are usually compromises, you don’t generally quite get _exactly_ what you want in a democracy; the best laws usually disappoint everyone a bit, but at least it disappoints them equally. Nor that yeah, long, unquestioned and profound power tends to corrupt. It’s more shadowy rooms and secret cartels and so on.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Slacktivism is the worst. I wonder how many Failbook members still have their avatars set to “Je Suis Charlie”.

  • Jennifer R

    Remember, guns are people with constitutional rights too folks!
    https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/875080998370902017

    • Predisenting Ron

      In a civilised country people and the government would be up in arms about this. Two thousand victims a year? That’s a WAR.

      • thixotropic jerk

        Potential Unintentional Irony alert – up in arms

    • thixotropic jerk

      shouldn’t kitty be blowing at Shtrump from its nether end?

    • Invidosa

      The syphilis ridden dog vomit doesn’t deserve such an awesome birthday wish

      • therblig

        you tell that slimy piece of worm-ridden filth he’ll get no such birthday wishes from us!

    • The KGB Ate Our Votes

      I’m sure Trump is pizzed that a bunch of Republicans got shot at this morning, stealing his birthday thunder and causing the cancellation of his sparsely attended birthday parade.

      • marxalot

        Maybe that was his birthday surprise: an incident of domestic terrorism about which to wax incoherently wroth.

      • Three Finger Salute

        At least he’s still got Miss Lindsay to stand over a sidewalk vent wearing a petticoat and sing “Happy Birthday Mr. President”. Kellyanne was going to jump out of the cake, but Chris Crispy already ate it.

        • thixotropic jerk

          Chuckles! You have wit, vision and a terrible sickness which I hope never gets cured!

      • Chris

        He had a birthday parade? Please tell me that is a joke.

        • miss_grundy

          Perhaps it was more of a rally? With everyone praising his great leadership skills and asking for blessings.

          • Chris

            I thought that was the description of a cabinet meeting.

    • rick

      Even Trump’s own dad, Fred, couldn’t stand the little squirt and sent him off to military school.

      • miss_grundy

        They sent him off to military school because he was a disciplinary problem because his parents let him do whatever he wanted. He was supposed to learn discipline in military school, except this place was more “Lord of the Flies” than “Lord of Discipline”.

    • therblig
  • rick

    The fella was simply following Donald Trump’s suggestion of using a “2nd amendment solution” for when things don’t turn out the way you wanted.

    Donald Trump Suggests ‘Second Amendment People’ Could Act Against Hillary Clinton
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html

    • thixotropic jerk

      But but but when we say it harmless verbal burbling when lefties say it VILENT INCTIEFLU HATFUEL ANGERY WAR IN AMRIKKA111!!!!!

      • rick

        I don’t understand derp. English please.

  • chascates
    • Rick Hill

      Seriously, at what point are these people held accountable for incitement?

    • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

      If you’re one of those wingnuts who believe that your government should “fear the people,” then you really should be okay with this.

      Dunno why they seem to shit on their “dearly held beliefs.”

      Why, it’s almost as if those beliefs are simply convenient weapons to be used to clobber their political enemies with, and cast aside when it’s inconvenient!

  • Everrett Fanuelli

    Hey remember those eight years of unity and peaceful protest during Obama by the right? Yeah, I don’t either.

  • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

    God, does this post mean we’re going to get trolls of BOTH the “Amerikuh! Guns!” and “Bernie!” variety?

    Ugh.

  • wait! what?

    OT:

    I am a shingle covered monster who wishes death on my viral opponent.

    So, this is a gross picture of my enemy.

    Really gross.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BVVSvz6BRtZ/

    • Jennifer R

      A box grater would clear that right up.

      • wait! what?

        Hehe. I look like a Poppa John’s cheese pizza.

        • Jennifer R

          I am so neurotic, my first impulse is to peel all that up.

          • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

            I did, it was not a wise idea.

          • Jennifer R

            Yet another reason for me to make double sure I never get chicken pox.

          • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

            Very much so. Damned thing can lay dormant for many, many, many decades after first exposure. Shingles was worse than chickenpox for me. That crap actually cripples a lot of older people.

    • NastyBossetti

      Oof! That sucks.

    • Poison ivy?

      • wait! what?

        Shingles.

        • THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS

          I had a mild case on a shoulder years ago. It felt like someone pouring burning gasoline over ice pick wounds.

          • wait! what?
          • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

            Don’t forget to ask “R.E. Toes”. That’s important enough to be the first thing I noticed up there.

          • wait! what?

            Lol. I lost a toenail; it may be a vector for infection.

          • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

            Yikes! Did you find that bastard? Don’t want to find it later, idug into the sole of your foot.

          • wait! what?

            It went rogue and was stuck in my leg hair.

          • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

            Went rogue, huh? Moose hunting with Palin?

          • wait! what?

            More like bon-bon shopping with her.

          • redarmyzombie

            Those shoes aren’t gonna buy themselves, you know…

          • So…how about the toes?

          • wait! what?

            The rebel toenail is in custody; no need to kill the younglings…

            …yet.

    • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

      Make sure you are careful with that. Shingles when I was sixteen causes permanent nerve damage and gnarly scars that will never go away.

      • wait! what?

        Sorry to hear. At 51 I’m guessing I’ll get some of it.

        I can always tell people, when I’m old, I got the scars during the Donald impeachment wars.

        • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

          It may not be that damaging for you. I’m a pretty sickly person. I was the Fredo of my family, except for the part about siding with Moe Green.

        • thixotropic jerk

          Much support for a speedy recovery! Looks like you’re in good hands so at the risk of coming across as a green hippie (which I am) I’ll just offer this as a suggestion to look into – St. John’s Wort topically (also an herb called Lemon Balm) and internally is a great anti-viral and pain moderator that may help prevent outbreaks and treat them for faster resolution. Provided there are no contraindications with anything you’re already taking.

          • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

            I second the st. john’s wort. Also, too, witch hazel.

          • wait! what?

            Will do.

            Thanks, I appreciate it

    • Crank Tango

      Damn I’d spray bleach all over that shit.

    • Courser_Resistance

      I’m so very sorry… that sucks rocks.

  • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

    Scalise apparently in critical condition. I hope he pulls through. I’ll not offer “thoughts and prayers” though – I’m an atheist.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2017/jun/14/virginia-shooting-house-majority-whip-congressional-baseball-practice-live

    • “Thoughts and intelligently considered ideas” maybe?

    • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

      I’m just going so far as “well wishes”, mostly for the sake of his family. I generally couldn’t care less otherwise.

  • marxalot

    Lead poisoning is today’s hot topic, I see.

    • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

      Also, too, Flint’s water situation.

  • SadDemInTex

    I have to say that when I saw that he hadn’t murdered his wife I thought that the domestic abuser was not a factor. Then on a news site I saw he had a booking photo and I thought…”what was he arrested for”? And now it all makes sense in a horrible way. And he is a domestic terrorist just like McVeigh.

    • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

      It’s safe to say that almost all domestic abusers end up murderers. It feels right, so let’s just say it’s right.

    • marxalot

      Domestic violence, regardless of whether the vicitim dies, is very often a precursor to broader violent action. It’s an early-warning sign: private violence prefigures public violence.

      • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

        Yup! Nailed it!

        If that’s how they treat people they claim to actually love and want around, imagine what they’re capable of doing to strangers.

      • thixotropic jerk

        Also animal abuse — sideyes Huckabee Klan

  • jesuswasablack

    Just saw two congress critters telling the TeeVee that its time for America to come together to stop hating one another? Basically for the last ten years run of the mill regular old tax-paying Americans have been getting killed in shootouts perpetuated by morons with easy access to deadly firearms. The reaction from the right in this country was to overturn every restriction to gun ownership we had on the books, more guns, arm the teachers, if only they had been armed. Now one of their precious congressmen gets shot and all the sudden it’s time for America to come together?
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/B0Vsws7cPZQ/hqdefault.jpg

    • Rick Hill

      And by “come together” they mean do whatever the republicans want with no question or objection.

      • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

        “Come together
        Right now
        Over me.”– Donnie

        • Meccalopolis

          Ew

      • Courser_Resistance

        Exactly. They’re probably going to start in on our First Amendment rights in three… two…

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      was going ot rage about this from CNN.com but don’t have the energy:
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7a1d501e2c028648f5af478e238a6a24399d9157514f2f7407f61d45d9d4091a.png

    • nightmoth

      “Come together” still means let every Tom, Dick and Harriet carry a gun anywhere and every where no matter how stupid or insane they might be.

    • Courser_Resistance

      I’m with Old Crusty up there ^^^

    • You have to understand that Republican politicians aren’t accustomed to being menaced by angry Americans with guns. It has to be something of a shock.

      • miss_grundy

        Actually, some of them have run scared from their constituents at the last round of town halls. My congress critter, Dave Trott, decided to limit the number of people at his last town hall and filled the venue with mostly his supporters, while protesters stood outside the venue. And some people drove from the northernmost point of his district to get to the venue.

    • Persistent Demme

      Squirrel!
      (What Russia investigation?)

  • rocktonsam

    hey cryin ryan, ain’t we in the us as in attack on us. we get shot at every fricking day out hear asshole. not a tear for sandy hook or teh ghey bar shoot up in Orlando.
    I’M SURE WAYNE AND THE NRA CALLED SOON AFTER TO Calm yall down with more guns.asshole!

    • Mark Lungo

      Actually, it’ll be interesting to hear how the NRA responds (or fails to respond) to this incident.

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      Every attack on a Republican is an attack on America.

  • jesuswasablack

    How does one shoot at the government?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt898JHPqro

    • thixotropic jerk

      Jeexus Krispy Kreme! Next video: Cruz gets an AR-15 Colonic!

    • Persistent Demme

      What a piece of shit he is!

    • doktorzoom

      Stupid maroon don’t even know a semiauto rifle from a machine gun!

  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    As soon as the right condemns-

    “Grab ’em by the pussy…”,
    “Knock the hell out of ’em…”,
    “Bomb the shit out of ’em…”,
    “Go after their families…”
    “I’d bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding…”

    -they might have a moral and ethical legs to stand on. Until then, please sit down.

  • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

    “If she (Clinton) gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”

  • Poly_Ester

    Actually, Sen. Paul. it was a cheap way to provide for the common defense. See the Militia Act of 1792. You know required militia training this summer, bring your own flint lock (in good condition), shot, and powder. No exceptions!

  • Everrett Fanuelli

    This piece started well until the author started equivocating Donald Trump’s incitement of violence to Kristen Gillibrand’s use of the word fuck in public.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/opinions/calm-the-rhetoric-heye/index.html

    • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

      Ugh. Talk about lack of self-awareness. He can’t help attacking “the enemy” even as he tries his hardest to condemn such behavior.

      You first, pal. No really. Seriously. Try again.

      • OrdinaryJoe

        The School of False Equivalence is open again.

        • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

          Yeah! They are always pushing that.

          We got a brazillian number or articles about how we must reach out to those “economically anxious” folks in middle Merka, to put our hands out to help.

          Where are the articles suggesting those folks ought to apologize to the three-million plus people who knew better than voting in a literal scam-artist? Where’s the article asking them to join the mainstream? Not even a single suggestion to “pull your head out, take a listen to the far more of us who say you were wrong?”

          The elite-owned media that sells million-dollar advertising doesn’t even do legitimate “both-sides” narratives.

          Fuck all these ghouls exploiting tragedies for their own gain.

          • Stulexington

            Yeah, it’s not even both sides do it, it’s Dem’s also do something sorta similar.

          • keinsignal

            I object to your characterization of our president* as a “literal scam-artist”. There is no artistry to his scams whatsoever.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    I think we should all take aim at Senator Paul for the way he has recklessly shot off his mouth in the past. You can’t just let loose with repeated rounds of stupid rhetoric if you are going to be considered as a responsible political figure. His aimless comments put his own colleagues in the line of fire today.

    • thixotropic jerk

      You did a bang-up job with those comments, OJ!

    • JoeChristmas

      Bullseye!

      • H0mer0

        [too soon!/sn]

  • I find it more than a little hypocritical of various conservatives in office that they’ve spent the past 8 years talking about “Second Amendment solutions” to what they perceive as government overreach, and then get horrified when some nut job decides to put it into action against … them. I guess a lot of their base works from the assumption that they’re the only ones with guns.

    • miss_grundy

      That is it exactly. The right wing thinks they are the only ones who own guns, who have served in the military, and who pay taxes. Perhaps these “people” need to be cuffed to a chair and hear from a left-winger who owns guns and still believes in gun control laws, who served in the military and believe that vets and current members deserve better benefits and health care, and who pay their taxes because it is a duty of a citizen to contribute so that we have money for our infrastructure and to ensure that there is funding for the social net, the arts, etc. They would probably be surprised that these people also consider themselves to be patriots but that we have a grown-up love for our country, not a childish idea of it.

  • hendenburg2

    Well, there was a second mass shooting today. San Francisco this time

  • Dutchman

    We’ve been properly instructed by the gun humpers that there is nothing that we can do about these situations because of the slimmest, remotest, most marginal possibility that we could infringe on someones 2nd amendment rights. So what’s all the fuss? Just because it was some white people in Congress? Why should they have any more standing or consideration than a bunch of gay folks in an Orlando nightclub? Why should this be of greater concern than 20+ elementary school children?
    Doesn’t matter that it’s left wing nut, right wing nut, unaffiliated nut, domestic violence criminal or anyone else. We as a nation have decided that we just don’t care if nuts and criminals have guns. So the long view is just to sit back an watch the blood flow and not get your blood pressure up.

    H/T to some rando on Drudge Retort (not to be confused with Matt Drudge’s slime shack).

  • JoeChristmas

    It was an old surveyor’s mark.

  • Incoming Ham

    This should never have happened, but I am a little concerned that the incident may be used to stifle free speech in many ways. It already sounds as if that’s revving up.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Can you say Reichstag fire? I knew you could.

      • Incoming Ham

        Well, there’s that…

  • CatDog

    Here’s a perspective from a leftist who obsessively watches US politics from another country (Australia). First up, you need real gun controls, just like you need universal healthcare, and many other things enjoyed by every other advanced democracy in the world. But also: your political discourse is viciously polarized and that has to be part of the problem. This isn’t false equivalence. I’m not saying the politics of both sides are the same, but I am saying that they share certain reflexes of political rhetoric, one of which is to exploit any crime committed in the name of the other side by automatically projecting collective guilt. There seems to be too much attempted moral blackmail, not enough politics; too much readiness to attack and condemn entire demographics, instead of arguing whose interests are served by which policies. I know that Sanders (for whom I am a total fanboy) never said anything as stupidly inflammatory as Trump’s “2nd amendment people’ shtick, but I am also absolutely sure that the reverse crime – a Trump supporter shooting Democrats – would have been instantly exploited for moral gratification by writers of liberal think-pieces.

    • Three Finger Salute

      “First up, you need real gun controls, just like you need universal
      healthcare, and many other things enjoyed by every other advanced
      democracy in the world.”

      You incorrectly assume that the Untied States is both advanced and a democracy. If Croc Dundee showed up with a knife, Joe-Bob Cletus would have a nuclear arsenal in his garage waiting for him. We’re a primitive nation of “rugged survivalists” who take pride in our kill-or-be-killed paranoid culture. Not all of us, to be sure. But those who don’t are usually the ones who end up being roadkill. You either look out for #1 or you end up being #2. And I don’t mean pencils.

      We’re less than a decade away from you guys and the Canadians sending anthropologists our way to study the Walmartian cannibal tribes and their strange rituals of zombie worship and banjo playing. You’re familiar with Mad Max, right…?

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Republican right wing nuts insist that everyone in America (including the mentally ill, and people suspected of terrorism) should have the right to own as many automatic weapons as they like. Democrats want strict gun control. Both sides are NOT the same.

    • Chris

      Of course you are a fanboy of Sanders. If you were a fangirl I think it unlikely you would find calling Planned Parenthood establishment progressive. You didn’t find Sanders inflammatory? Shaking the hand of Dr. Song, on stage, after he called Hillary Clinton a whore in front of 18,000 screaming supporters? Explaining away the violence of Nevada as his fan base being upset? Please remember that included death threats to the Nevada chair and her grandchildren. Never a word about the gauntlet created outside a Clinton rally in California? Nothing said after the Sanders supporter murdered two and knifed another in Oregon? Imagine all that filtered thru an unstable mind.
      And remember that Sanders has voted against gun control bills, and said reproductive rights are ‘identity’ politics.

      • doktorzoom

        “Of course you’re a Sanders fangirl”? To an Australian who said nothing about Sanders at all? OK, that’s quite enough. It’s a one-day timeout for you.

        — Dok Zoom, Yr Friendly Neighborhood Comments Moderator

        • Atheist

          Respectfully, this is what the poster said about Sanders:

          “I know that Sanders (for whom I am a total fanboy) never said anything
          as stupidly inflammatory as Trump’s “2nd amendment people’ shtick, but I
          am also absolutely sure that the reverse crime – a Trump supporter
          shooting Democrats – would have been instantly exploited for moral
          gratification by writers of liberal think-pieces.”

          • doktorzoom

            Correct you are. I skimmed carelessly. Nevertheless, Chris earned the time-out.

  • jesuswasablack

    Time for us all to come together under the flag!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sSUpKqMScw

    • unclejeems

      I’d like to abolish him. With votes.

      • miss_grundy

        By the way, a UPS driver in the San Francisco area decided to shoot up his workplace this afternoon. Did Tangerini say anything about that as well?

  • OrdinaryJoe
    • Three Finger Salute

      No reply. Obama fled to Canada and Adam West is dead :(

      • H0mer0

        but we still got Christian Bale.

  • Atheist

    Okay so let me get this straight. “pro-life” Republicans could give two shits when a gun is used:

    1. To murder women in situations of domestic violence (“it’s a private family matter”)
    2. To murder women in situations of serial killers (“those immoral prostitutes knew the dangers of street walking”)
    3. To murder black men on the street (“those th**s shouldn’t have been so threatening”)
    4. To murder abortion providers and terrorize women into changing her mind about abortion (“they destroy fetuses so they deserve it”)
    5. To murder people in mass shootings (“but what about the poor economically anxious white guys who go around shooting everyone”)
    6. To threaten someone over the Internet (“that dumb feminist b*** should have kept her mouth shut”)
    7. To justify eight years of hate speech and violent threats against the Obamas under the false pretext that Obama was coming for their guns
    8. To demand Gabby Giffords resign from office after being shot “to save taxpayer dollars”
    9. To attack progressive ideas under the presumption of “communism” or “marxism” or McCarthy era type speech
    10. To tell send the message (to women especially) that if men feel threatened in any way or don’t get what they want, that they are justified in acting out violently.

    But what happens when a couple of rich white men get shot?

    OMG HOLD THE PHONE THIS IS A FUCKING TRAGEDY.

  • Mavenmaven

    Thank goodness we don’t allow comments here or we could have been in trouble.

  • Atheist

    Waiting for the outrage from the Right about Trump’s reference to “second amendment solutions” in 3…2…1…

    *crickets*

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      I’m waiting for the Right to demand all progressives be investigated.

      • Atheist

        They would rather round up progressives in internment camps than keep nut jobs from getting guns.

        Priorities, amirite?

        • Three Finger Salute

          First they came for —

          …all of us at once. “On time and under budget”.

    • miss_grundy

      They believe that they are the only ones who should be allowed Second Amendment rights.

  • Blackest Noobs

    just a reminder to you all…meat is murder….ok where’s my fucking STEAK?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfALBlOHmco

  • Atheist

    And let’s not forget the darling little prince of conservative news base Fox News telling women who came forward about being sexually harassed that he’s coming after them and “bringing hell with him”

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/hell-is-coming-with-me-roger-ailes-son-threatens-to-come-after-women-who-accused-father-of-harassment/

    • Three Finger Salute

      Semi-OT: Cosby is going to walk, isn’t he.

      • Jukesgrrl

        I think so.

        • SeeTrain65

          Lemme guess: The “He’s an old man. He’s going to die soon. Leave him alone!” defense?

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    Welp, Twitter suspended my account for calling DJT Jr a fucking idiot.

    • Atheist

      But free speech! No wait, that’s just for racists, sexists, and Islamophobes. They get the free speech to be as disgusting as they want and the rest of us are to sit back and tolerate it like good little abuse victims.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Meh. Far as I’m concerned you got kicked out of a club that’s not worthy of your membership. Let Twatter keep playing whack-a-mole against the snowflake’s critics so that they reveal themselves for the incompetent leadership they are. Hopefully their IPO tanks and they eventually vanish, like the rest of the overvalued honeypots in Dotcom Bubble II: Electric Boogaloo. Can’t wait for Uber to “get rekt” too. Dorsey, Zuck, Kalanick, the three stooges who founded Reddit, the Rooskie who founded Voat as a hybrid of Reddit and 4chan, the asshole who founded 4chan, and whatever other asshole founded 8chan as twice the 4chan, can all go pound sand with 140-character votes. Silicon Valley is a superfund site that needs to be cleaned up or flushed out of the great state of California.

      • H0mer0

        I grew up there but don’t disagree.

      • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

        To me, one of the worst is the piece of shit who created the Tweetybox, now whines “the internet is broken” without having the slightest move to, you know, FIX THE MESS HE FUCKING CREATED. Twitter could still exist as a fine method of instant communication to large numbers of people, except for the derelict effluvial spew that is trolls. Trolls spewing out hate, misogyny, virulent racism, bigotry, and lies.

        It really shouldn’t be that hard to block trolls. A simple algorithm should boot people off the minute it encounters the word “cunt” or the n-word. Hiring moderators–who would only need to respond to people flagging comments–would cost a bit of money but IT WOULD FIX IT.

        If you build a public meeting place, and a few people come in and take shits on the walkway, or wave machetes around, you figure out a way to have that not happen. You hire security. You have people clean up the messes immediately. But these are whining nerds who don’t want to take responsibility, and really just don’t care if most of the targets are women, or POC, because that doesn’t affect THEM. It’s infuriating.

    • Arki J. Kirwin-Muller

      What’s your Twitter, friend?

    • H0mer0

      Stephen King told us that DJT blocked him and now his life is meaningless (or sumping like dat.)

    • HazooToo

      That happened to me once, too. You will probably be back in a day.

    • SeeTrain65

      Jack can be a real prick when he wants to be.

    • Snopes Shop

      What??

  • CripesAmighty

    Way to change the subject, idjit. Stupid fuck.

  • Atheist

    Just so everyone remembers that the Right loves it’s gun violence as long as it’s directed at anyone but themselves:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/21978a9fab708c821b3edc52787655c81cdc647111d5255838ee7304f21eca9e.gif

  • Apple Scruff

    Prez Cheetoface’s speech was so gross. It was what he THINKS sounds presidential, like he’s trying to play the part of a president but is a really bad actor from a really bad movie that got an 11% rating on Rotten Tomatoes.

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      “Plan Trump from Outer Space”

      • redblack

        i’d rather plan trump to outer space.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      You mean, Reagan?

  • miss_grundy

    When I first heard about the shooting, I hoped that the shooter wasn’t a Democrat because I knew the RWNJs would go crazy. Then I heard a Republican congress critter who was at the ball field say that we should decrease the hateful rhetoric between both parties. And that is when I wished I could have told this guy: “Your party, especially your leadership, have been verbalizing hateful rhetoric for the past eight years against Bamz and the Democrats. And you capped the bottle when you nominated a belligerant, bigoted racist who told his followers to beat up anyone who protested him or was a member of a minority. It is your party’s fault that this country is so divided.” And by the way, Scalise shepherded a bill that would have loosened restrictions on the interstate sales of guns. Perhaps while he is recuperating from his hip injury he should think about gun violence in America and how his positions on allowing even more guns is probably not something positive.

    • Apple Scruff

      I wonder who they’ll point the finger at now that the guy is neither GOP or Dem.

      • miss_grundy

        Well, he was a Bernie bro who went for Jill Stein. I would guess that Fox News, the alt-right and the RWNJs will still call it for the Democrats, even though they are the ones who have the “Kill Hillary” bumper stickers.

        • Here’s a quick check? Can the “bros” be used as a club to bash Clinton over the head with? No? Then the RWNJ hate them today.

      • NorthernSaber

        They’re going with variations on a theme of “liberal”, with the usual imaginative spellings. (Trust me- I hopped on a couple Yahoo comment sections today, and Jesus-knows how Hannity will play this tonight.) Cut this anyway we want- anyone Left of Genghis Khan is going to take a rhetorical beating this week; and who wants to bet me that we see a chorus of “back off the Russia probe” coming, say, tomorrow?

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        “The Left”

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      I’m not sure how old you are, but I’ve been thinking a lot recently at what has divided this country so much. It started with Lee Atwater’s Southern Strategy, got worse under Reagan and the Christianistas, but it really intensified when Clinton was in office in the 1990s, and then when a black guy became president…HOLY SHIT!!!! DEFCON 2 full wingnut alarm.

      • The Flaming Carrot

        I am old enough to have voted for Nixon in my elementary school election. (Sorry, parents are Republican). Although I can’t say I understood the environment completely, I can say that my father HATED anything counter-cultural and that there were already deep schisms. Which worsened, as you say, over time.

        • Ants In My Eyes Johnson

          I still say it was 9/11 that was the final straw for em. I know people that, it was like something inside of them literally broke when that happened, and they never got better, they just got fucking scary – paranoid, rabidly nationalist, etc.

          • The Flaming Carrot

            You know, I was with my parents on 9/11 and after. We were supposed to fly out of Vancouver that morning, and we were stuck there for an entire week, and only got back after we took a train to Seattle and another flight home. We were all angry at the hijackers, but I didn’t notice that they were any more paranoid or nationalistic than the rest of us. It was Barry O who finally drove them around the bend. They voted for Dickhead in the primary.

      • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

        Yes, I think Lee Atwater is the progenitor of all of this–and even he repented on his death bed. I think a black guy becoming President unhinged a lot of people–and to follow that up with the heinous idea of some VAGINA-HAVER now telling everybody what to do, they all just went off the deep end. But to me the main thing here is
        (1) If this was a darker-hued fella, it would be “Horrifying Islamic Terrorist Attack in Virginia”. Basically the same kind of event happened in Paris and in London and they were covered and, in America, responded to, just a teeny bit differently.
        (2) Most of all, this is a story about a hate-filled, violent man, who had ready access to a military-grade weapon. His anger was ignored because it was directed towards women. His access to war machinery was allowed because the NRA has bought most of the Congress. These are the actual problems that are going on here.

      • miss_grundy

        This whole thing started with Nixon. Damn, it has been going on for a long, long time.

      • doktorzoom

        George Wallace certainly did his part, too. Atwater simply made it “respectable.”

      • redblack

        let’s not forget their hatred for FDR, the new deal, and progressive taxation.

        or mccarthyism.

        they’ve hated us left-wing moonbats for roughly a century now.

    • freakishlypersistent

      Don’t forget Newt fucking Gingrich, railing at an empty house floor with CSPAN going on and on about how terrible liberals are, he even had a list of words to use when describing us.

  • ryp

    The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of baseball players.

    Too soon?

  • Summary: People who made threats to liberals, laughed about killing liberals and praised Right-wing Nutjobs for murdering people are SHOCKED that one lone liberal would shoot back???
    https://media1.giphy.com/media/dsKnRuALlWsZG/giphy.gif

    • Stulexington

      And think all their rhetoric is now retroactively justified.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      I am not certain that I agree with “shoot back.” It indicates that this guy acted in response to taunting, when he sounds like a violent asshole who had a beef with a political party (like the guy who shot Gabby Giffords).

      I love your screen name so much, btw.

  • SammyDEEEE

    I bet “Doctor” Paul was peeing in his britches when it went down.

    • Odd Jørgensen

      Once more into the britches.

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      He leapt and hid behind a tree. These guys with their absurd fantasies that they’d be the one to stand up to the gunman.

      • Once&futureFred

        A tree is actually a very sensible piece of cover to retreat to. Those things are thick and stop bullets. You do need to know where the gunfire is coming from though, to put yourself on the far side. Something that would be harder to do if everybody has suppressors, which the GOP was going to vote to allow today, before the shooter interrupted…

        • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

          I wasn’t faulting him for hiding behind a tree. I just was responding to the “good guy with a gun” baloney–Some Congressman actually tweeted that from now on he would “always be carrying a gun.” It’s that weakling fantasy that if they were taken by surprise, they would immediately respond like Dirty Harry (when even Dirty Harry couldn’t have done anything if he was taken fully by surprise). When in fact when there is an incident, even in gun-filled Texas, people actually dive for cover, as they should, and it needs seriously trained, alert police or security to take care of it. That fantasy drives me nuts–it fuels all those simpletons’ insistence on buying all those guns that just end up killing and maiming innocent people. The answer would be to have serious gun safety laws, and to take it seriously when a guy keeps beating up women, and certainly not let HIM have a gun, let alone a military-grade weapon. That’s all I meant…..

          • Once&futureFred

            I get it, the idea that untrained people can sort out the good guys from the bad guys in high stress situations is a stretch.

          • mfp

            short version…surprise v. an armory?….surprise always wins…Always

          • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

            ALWAYS

  • Invidosa

    Call me callus, cruel, indifferent, evil whatever. But I just can’t find it in myself to give a shit about this. These are people who think nothing of trying to strip away health care from our most vulnerable population. They’ve all survived. And while I don’t condone gin violence in the slightest. . . Cause I’m not a fucking monster. . . Everytime I try to give a shit I am reminded of how frequently repub assholes here the hew and cry of “guns don’t kill people people kill people” so I’ve no fucks to give

    • Invidosa

      Or gun violence either

      • The Flaming Carrot

        Gin violence is when you drink the entire bottle of gin and hit someone on the head with it. With votes.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      I never wish this kind of pain or suffering on anyone, but as others have said, I wish that ONE of these people who got shot might think, “Dear God, I have been wrong all these years!”

    • doktorzoom

      OK. You’re callous, cruel, and indifferent. I’d like to think we’re a little better than that. You’re all b ut saying they deserved to be shot. And you have a 24-hour timeout from commenting.

      — Dok Zoom, Yr Friendly Neighborhood Comments Moderator

      • Invidosa

        My apologies for getting out of line dok. My anger ran away from me. I don’t think anyone deserves to get shot at, even people I hate. Sometimes it’s damn hard to remember to be the bigger person

        • doktorzoom

          Welcome back from your time out. (Hey, it works! Glad we didn’t scatter your mass to the far reaches of the galaxy. Disqus: the wonky Starfleet Transporter of commenting)

  • H0mer0

    for a second there, I thought Rand Paul went there and I thought he violated Reagan’s prime directive, then I checked the date on the tweet. I think we should troll him with that tweet, but I don’t have a twatter other than the one bestowed by FSM.

  • everstar

    I will say this: I have to admire the GOP’s fanatical dedication to resisting any talk of gun-control legislation. Lesser people might have been struck by the thought, “My God, I could have been hit, and not in the hip! Suddenly I’m not so comfortable with the idea of any old Joe American having access to a semi-automatic firearm!”

    • Because they think that’s an concern that can be “solved” by preemptively violating other people’s rights (“Look a liberal! Let’s taze him!”)

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      They are assholes, but consistent assholes.

  • Riley Whodat Venable

    But Dok?

    Isn’t this Chick Track better?

    http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/1443.asp

    • doktorzoom

      Which one? There are so many to choose from, all of them classics of paranoia and freakiness.

      • Riley Whodat Venable

        Damn, the link didn’t work right

  • Chris

    Sanders, like Trump is a demagogue, they incite, they do not lead. Pretending that Sanders did not passively encourage this sort of behavior is no different than pretending Trump isn’t responsible for inciting his followers.

    • Ants In My Eyes Johnson

      I’ve been asking this same damn question all day, and getting nothing in response, but maybe you’ll be the one to answer: When did Sanders, or anyone, call for violence?

      • Debbie the Unpaid Protester

        This puzzles me, too.

        • Chris

          What puzzles you?

      • John Orendorff

        He was always talking about “second amendment” solutions and saying protesters at his meetings should be beaten up. Oh, wait! that was someone else.

        • Chris

          No he didn’t but when his supporters issued death threats he excused the behavior as his supporters were ‘understandably’ upset and so should be cut slack. Property damage? Just exuberance.
          He explained away every loss as fixed/stolen. He refused to clue his supporters in when he was numerically out of the Democratic race. He stoked the rage of his supporters/delegates by leading them to believe that even at the convention he still had a chance.

      • Chris

        You didn’t find his excusing the behavior at Nevada inflammatory? You didn’t find his silence after the gauntlet at the California Clinton Rally inflammatory? You didn’t find his repeated comments that his people were just excited after they screamed death threats and damage and doxxed Clinton supporters. If you don’t find that inciting and tacit agreement with that behavior then I feel very sorry for you.

      • Snopes Shop

        WTF does “Revolution” mean?

        • Old Man Yells at Cloud

          a turning round or rotating, as on an axis.

          • BWilliamson

            Thrup!

        • Sakonyachen

          Change. Substantive change in the system. Not necessarily violent overthrow. If you have to use violence, you have to defend the new system with violence, because there were obviously enough people that disagree with you that you had to murder their opinions away. This is why our country is where it is now. The people that led a bloody revolution got to write the rules. It’s why Castro couldn’t let go of power for so many years. There’s that bug in their ear telling them that once they loosen their grip on power, the bad guys will win.

          Bernie skipped the step in non-violent revolution where you need the people to have a common goal, and just started yelling revolution.

    • Explody Brain

      Sorry. They are not analogous. Bernie never joked about getting away with shooting someone on the street. Bernie never encouraged his supporters to attack people at a rally.

      • Chris

        Well that certainly makes Sanders pure as the driven snow. /s What I do remember is Sanders being asked about abusive and dangerous actions by some of his supporters said it was not his responsibility. Not his job.
        Just because Sanders isn’t as bad as Trump does not make him a good guy. And his leading his supporters on long past the even remote possibility of his winning only increased their rage. And it should be pointed out that he was every bit as divisive as Trump with his we/them ideology.

    • Truthiness2U

      I don’t think Bernie is as bad as shit-gibbon. Bernie was NOT the leader he should have been when he did nothing with the many bad acts of his followers. This is true. And yes, I found his saying that the people in NV were just expressing a righteous anger badly, to be a really crappy thing to do. As did Wonkette commenting on it at the time, if I recall correctly.

      But passively giving a pass to some crappy things, and actively supporting even worse things, like your opponent getting shot. Or saying they could shoot someone themselves, is different. I think that Bernie should have done more from the beginning. His followers did some fucked up shit, in part because of a lack of leadership from the top on down. But Shit-Gibbon is part of the alt-Right that actively advocates shooting your opponent/anyone that disagrees with you, or getting away with randomly shooting people. I do think that is many degrees worse than Bernie’s total lack of leadership.

      • Chris

        They aren’t equally bad and I’m pretty sure I didn’t say they were. The difference as I saw it between the two is Sanders still wanted plausible deniability where Trump simply didn’t care.

        • Or, Bernie thinks violence is bad and Trump thinks might makes right.
          Because if it is a matter of only plausible deniability, that would make him worse, I should think?

          • Chris

            Nothing I know about Sanders leads me to think he is against violence. In fact there is quite a lot of video where he is cheering on authoritarian leaders. Here’s a hint: Batiste was a dirtbag, that did not make Castro a good guy.
            I have a feeling we will never agree about the value of Sanders as an upstanding individual so how about we agree to disagree?

        • Truthiness2U

          I don’t think Bernie just wanted plausible deniability. I think he genuinely and wrongly, didn’t see what was being done as THAT bad. Bernie, very wrongly, pooh-poohed the doxxing, and death threats, and crap that his followers did in NV, WY, CA and WA. Hell, I’m remembering one of his nutjob supporters threatened to cut out the tongue of Rep. Jim McDermott for DARING to be a SuperDelegate to HIllary. Which was the second time in as many days as a Bernie supporters got out of hand with Jim, so that he felt he needed a shovel in his office to protect himself from them.

          That being said, Bernie himself has never actively advocated the kind of violence, that Trump has. And I think that at least there Bernie has a line in the sand.

          But man, I am just remembering what utter fucksticks some Bernie supporters were, and yeah, how Bernie never spoke out against them. Never once reined them in. And yeah, almost talking myself into agreeing with you.

          But I do think that Bernie has been clear about not actively advocating for violence, and that is different that Trump. And that unlike Trump, Bernie wouldn’t be, and demonstrably wasn’t, happy with a follower of his shooting up the opposite Party. Whereas I think Trump would be just fine if the situation were reversed. I mean, look at his ignoring, or late/meager response to Portland.

          • Chris

            And no response from Sanders about Portland – and the killer in that case was a Sanders supporter as well as being a rightwing wackjob.
            Frankly I’ve been pretty upset that the Democratic Party has made a point of wooing Sanders to gather his base when he makes clear nearly daily that he hates the Democratic Party and what it stands for. The only sliver of silver lining in today’s horrid news is that it is unlikely, at least for a while, they will include him in meetings, outings or rallies. A pathetic thing to be hopeful about but it is the best I can do.
            He may not have given overt approval to violence, he did give tacit approval. No one ever confused Trump with being a good guy, Sanders was supposed to be and I expected better. I never expected better of Trump.

          • doktorzoom

            The Portland killer was a white supremacist who is devoted to a bizarre neo-“Nordic” ideology. He may have said something nice about Sanders once, but he’s about as typical of Sanders voters as Cliven Bundy is of people who ride horses. Perhaps less so.

          • King Beauregard

            The Portland killer was an avid Bernie supporter. No, he’s not typical of Bernie supporters.

            I think the Portland killer is, more than anything, a cautionary tale about Bernie’s goal of drawing winning Republicans over to our side: we’ll get a certain number of racist assholes, and do we want to accommodate them? Maybe, MAYBE we can win big numbers of them over by denouncing “identity politics” and focusing heavy on how bad white guys have it, but do we want a Jeremy Christian wing of the Democratic Party? Maybe our focus on “identity politics” helps inoculate ourselves against Jeremy Christians.

          • doktorzoom

            “Avid”? The author of this profile would disagree:

            Christian expressed support for “Sanders/Stein 2017″—which some will certainly seize upon as a distraction. And it is a distraction, because the main current of Christian’s ravings, online and off, was race hatred. “I want a job in Norway cutting off the heads of people that Circumcize Babies,” he wrote.

            On a fake news story showing Hillary Clinton wearing a hijab: “I’ll knock that Hijab off her faster than you can say Burka in Pig Latin if she steps in Rip City.”

            He called President Donald Trump the antichrist, but meant it as a compliment.

            “If Donald Trump is the Next Hitler then I am joining his SS to put an end to Monotheist Question. All Zionist Jews, All Christians who do not follow Christ’s teaching of Love, Charity, and Forgiveness And All Jihadi Muslims are going to Madagascar or the Ovens/FEMA Camps!!! Does this make me a fascist!!!”

            He also bragged about wanting to be in the vanguard of a modern-day S.A., stomping heads to bring about the next Reich.

            If that’s an avid Sanders supporter, I’m a Citroen 2CV.

          • King Beauregard

            First of all, Jeremy Christian voted for Sanders but not for Trump. Secondly, that “if Donald Trump” bit is expressing a WISH that Trump become the next Hitler. That is consistent with him wanting to join a modern-day S.A.

            But none of that is inconsistent with being a Sanders supporter, and an avid one at that. Not typical of Sanders supporters, and certainly not the sort of supporter Sanders would brag about. But an avid Sanders supporter all the same.

            https://www.facebook.com/jeremy.christian.581/posts/1367688523294791

            “Bernie Sanders was the President I wanted. He voiced my heart and mind. The one who spoke about the way America should gone. Away from the Military and Prison Industrial Complexes. The Trump is who America needs now that Bernie got ripped off. In a pick your poison election, I would have voted for his fast poison vs. [Hillary’s] slow poison.”

            Dude describes Trump as “fast poison”. That’s hardly Trump support.

          • SeeTrain65

            To be fair, Dok, you may not be a 2CV, but you can still cross a plowed field holding a basket of eggs and not break one.

          • King Beauregard

            “I don’t think Bernie just wanted plausible deniability. I think he genuinely and wrongly, didn’t see what was being done as THAT bad.”

            There’s not seeing something, and then there’s WANTING to not see something. I think that’s Bernie’s greatest sin: allowing so much hatred to fester and fooling himself into allowing it. It’s like a parent trying very hard not to see that the other parent is beating the children: it takes a lot of very careful effort not to notice it. You have to try very hard to not look where you could plainly see it.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      I am not sure that I agree with you, but also not sure that I disagree.

    • doktorzoom

      Thank you for your contribution to a calm, rational discourse (eyeroll).

  • McMema6

    But blood has electrolytes. It’s what a body needs.

  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

    For the record can I say that if you think you are going to hold off a “tyrannical” US government (should that come to pass) with small arms, you are deluding yourself.

    It also has nothing to do with the thought process behind the 2nd amendment which has a principal origin in English common law, and it was also something the “frontier” folks wanted.

    But… to revisit the thinking in English common law: After James II was deposed, parliament prohibited Catholics only of owning firearms and seized their arms.

    This made them easy targets for protestant factions.

    Hamilton and Jefferson and others spent a long time worrying about what factions might do, particularly religious factions. That’s why you get a 1st and 2nd Amendment in that order.

    • ltmcdies

      to be fair…many of those who wear those “don’t tread on me ” tee shirts think Red Dawn is documentary

    • And if you want to start with government tyranny, what about civil asset forfeiture?

      Oh, that’s right. It’s a mostly a state and county thing. The “anti-tyranny” people only care about the Federal government…..

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

      No, really, do you have one? Because I feel like you could teach me a great deal.

  • OddMan

    760 comments in I want to post this, the report from the Hospital on Representative Scalise
    Congressman Steve Scalise sustained a single rifle shot to the left hip. The bullet travelled across his pelvis, fracturing bones, injuring internal organs, and causing severe bleeding. He was transported in shock to MedStar Washington Hospital Center, a Level I Trauma Center. He underwent immediate surgery, and an additional procedure to stop bleeding. He has received multiple units of blood transfusion. His condition is critical, and he will require additional operations. We will provide periodic updates.

    Damn that suck, he will never be the same. I truly do feel sorry for him. No fucking prayers, just a little empathy for the poor SOB.

    • Damn. Yeah I wouldn’t wish something like that on anyone.

      • ltmcdies

        no I wouldn’t wish it on anyone but a legislator with an A+ rating from the NRA helped set the table for today’s events.

        Along with Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell, GOP members have ensured more Americans live Scalise current nightmare every god damn day. Only a percentage of them won’t have health coverage for rehab.

        Intellectually I can hope the man pulls through and rehabs well enough to return to his job..

        emotionally…GOPers you reap what you sow. And don’t expect any pity from me

        • Rickyphoo

          Karma.

    • Snopes Shop

      Ugh.

    • doktorzoom

      I’m with Kurt Vonnegut on that — he often expressed amazement at how good humans are at designing machines to do that to people.

  • Snopes Shop

    Hillary never stoked the flames of fear and anger, weirdly.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      I feel like there was plenty of fear and anger every time she took a breath. It just came from the other side is all.

    • King Beauregard

      Ironically it was Senator Claude Daigle (I-VT) who demanded the spelling medal and hit former Secretary Of State Rhoda Penmark with his shoe.

  • Old Man Yells at Cloud

    I wish Scalise a side of epiphony along with that speedy recovery.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Epiphanies aren’t legal in all 50 states, you know.

  • Scrofula

    “progressives tend not to be the folks who obsess over the beauty of watering the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants,” true these days, but the founders were the radicals of their time. A lot of blood shed by liberals in history, really.

    Not advocating that now, though. If we can’t get this pathetic admin out just by following procedure, we don’t deserve a revolution.

    • Flipothecoin

      Or a nation. Those Founders were dam(n) smart people. Imagine being able to ‘see far enough into the future to imagine this very situation, AND provide a solution. And that, only a tiny part of the overall document.

      • Scrofula

        New Yorker Apr 24 cartoon said it best, but their site is so bloated with adds I can’t link. Anyway, founders around a table writing, caption is “But what if a tyrant comes to power and no one’s able to stop him because the whole thing’s kind of funny?”

        • Flipothecoin

          As much as I love irony and sarcasm, I hope you’ll agree that what was funny then (April) is no longer even close to funny now. I’m not really a ‘progressive’, more mid-road, slight left Independent. Older(58) white guy who now lives in the South. I am also a veteran who is about as average as can be, Donald Trump scares the crap out of me. More so are his diehards who think they can interpret The Constitution, without understanding that Administrative law limits Trumps power. I’ve had people tell me “trump can do what he wants, he’s President”. The man cares not for anyone but himself. They don’t get it.

          • Scrofula

            Oh, don’t get me wrong, I NEVER thought this race was funny. In fact, I haven’t laughed since 2015, even when Colbert improved in 2016.
            Sadly, an awful lot of fuckers in this country DID vote for him cause they thought it was just funny.
            (And a lot just wanted to stomp on people)

          • Flipothecoin

            Yep, just more proof ya can’t cure stupid!! And I hope all these aholes laugh when they lose their insurance, unemployment rises, and their lives go to shit. But somehow it will all be President Obamas fault.

  • King Beauregard

    Sanders is not responsible for this guy being a murdering asshole. However, Sanders is responsible for being a candidate who encouraged and promoted hatred against the people’s enemies in Washington — pretty much everyone other than Sanders — and maybe he’d attract fewer Jeremy Christians and James Hodgkinsons if he hadn’t been so happy to stoke hatred.

    Wasn’t there some sort of progressive meeting recently that Sanders attended, that was basically an extended Two Minutes Hate directed against Hillary? Hatred is central to the Sanders movement by this point; if it wasn’t two years ago, it certainly is now.

    • I have no idea why people keep lumping in Christians. His interest was, it would seem,. ratfucking Hillary so his boy one. I really do not think by any stretch of the imagination that you could consider an actual literal nazi as a Sanders supporter. Considering all the anti Jew stuff.

      • King Beauregard

        I say he was a Sanders supporter because HE said he was a Sanders supporter. From his own Facebook page:

        https://www.facebook.com/jeremy.christian.581/posts/1367688523294791

        “Bernie Sanders was the President I wanted. He voiced my heart and mind. The one who spoke about the way America should gone. Away from the Military and Prison Industrial Complexes. The Trump is who America needs now that Bernie got ripped off. In a pick your poison election, I would have voted for his fast poison vs. [Hillary’s] slow poison.”

        I don’t know how you’re defining “supporter” if “Bernie Sanders was the President I wanted, he voiced my heart and mind” doesn’t make Jeremy Christian a Bernie supporter.

      • thatdamnbob

        ratfucking Hillary, strange bedfellows,that!

  • freakishlypersistent

    Shouldn’t happen at all, ever, regardless of political ideology. Ironically, it delayed a vote to roll back regulations of silencers. For Guns. That Scalise would have voted “yes”.

  • Kerlyssa

    i guess my mood atm would best be described as bemused. on the one hand, there’s no way these entrenched republicans will ever support gun control, or say anything to suggest that everyone owning an arsenal isn’t the goal, and yet… what are they going to say? they have to deplore it, but how?

    presumably they’ll double down on democrats being hateful/lone wolf crap, but. man. nature is amazing.

  • Rickyphoo

    WTF, Senator Paul?

    Does he realize that the “tyrants” that got shot this time were on his team?

    • mfp

      no

    • Lily412

      That tweet was from 2016, but he’s still a moran.

      • Ill-Advised

        Which wasn’t that long ago! Although it feels like forever.

        • Lily412

          Time is very distorted for me now. Everything after November is W.T.F. and everything before is “reality”.

      • Rickyphoo

        Yeah, I belatedly saw the date of the text. My bad and you’re right, he’s a moran.

  • jellysblues

    When George Wallace was shot, Nixon’s henchmen tried to link the shooter with the McGovern campaign.

  • William

    That’s true. Shooting up republic-ball practice was not in Bernie’s agenda. Rolling back the part of the gun lobby agenda that allows crazy people to buy guns was. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9153424492226854354b7f8fffab48399bb8d10a085abfe7e0cb836146068ebc.jpg

  • Zyxomma

    Yes, trees like rainwater. Blood, not so much. And I’m a vegan treehugger who’d never shoot anyone, except with votes. Health and peace.

  • Gussie Jives

    This is exactly right. There’s a nasty habit going around to equate the language that we on the left are using about Trump with the language the right used against Obama and Hillary Clinton and then say: “Oh, well you’re both being so divisive and extreme! I say, the far left and the far right are both so awful! No wonder there’s such violence afoot.”

    Uh uh. Let’s be clear: the right-wing penchant for violent showmanship has been well-established. “Tree of Liberty” signs with a leg-strapped pistol or a shoulder-slung rifle. “We came unarmed… this time.” (Except when they do.) “2nd Amendment remedies.” Campaign commercials fetishizing gun ownership. This has been right-wing SOP going back to Obama’s election in 2008. Combine that with the hysteria ginned up by Fox News and the right-wing entertainment complex that tell you that the government is out to steal your freedom (read: guns) at every opportunity–all lies of course–and presto: you have guys like Richard Poplawski or the Planned Parenthood shooter.

    Meanwhile, the right has been caricaturing the left as a bunch of triggered safe-space snowflakes too afraid of their own shadows because… I don’t know, we want decent protections for transgendered people, but the second we have a sense of urgency about an administration and a Congress that represents a mortal threat to the health and safety of American citizens (which the environmental protection rollbacks and the AHCA do indeed represent), an administration that has demonstrably engaged in treasonous activities and a Congress covering for them, suddenly there’s no difference in the tone we’ve been using just because a Bernie supporter popped off a gun?

    No, the urgent rhetoric used in liberal circles is entirely appropriate and grounded in fact, not ginned up hysteria about jackbooted Obama soldiers coming to confiscate your manhood. In addition, most of us on the left understand the need for regulation of firearms, so this kind of indiscriminate gun violence is antithetical to the very policy positions we support.

    I don’t know what Hodgkinson’s motives were, nor do I really care. What I do know is that this doesn’t represent the people that you call triggered snowflakes on a daily basis. So let’s all drop the kabuki theater about vicious us snowflakes are, m’kay?

    • artem1s

      add to this that the GOP has apparently completely forgotten about the attack on Gabby Giffords that was fueled, in part, by their leaders and pundits. She is disabled for life, will never be able to hold a job again and there were deaths of a child, staffers, and constituents. But what I remember after that was more calls for 2nd amendment remedies from actual Congresscritters and their noisy wingnut radio hate mongers. Are any of those assholes going to get on TV now and apologize to Gabby, her family, and the other victims families? yep, I thought so…

      • sgt. jmk of the résistance

        And the Republican response to people bringing up the Giffords shooting has been illuminating – they’re more concerned with screaming that “Sarah Palin didn’t cause that” than they are with anything else, including the fact that 6 people, including a child, died in that shooting.

  • Queens Lawyer

    Im convinced that republicans with their expertise at ratfucking, have operatives join secondary candidates (like bernie’s) organizations, and when they loose the primary, encourage the ‘we cant support the democratic nominee because they are not pure enough’. bernie f–king endorsed and campaigned for hillary. hard. like 8 events a day hard. publicly endorsed her. publicly said if you don’t vote for hillary, your voting against me. yes somehow all these dipshits were going around voting for jill stein, and that other 3rd party idiot. why? because it was a republican dirty trick to draw off democratic votes. and it worked.

    • King Beauregard

      Is there any discernible difference between the trolls and the sincere Bernie-or-Busters? I’ve talked to enough Bernie true believers to know that either they’re all incredible actors or a hell of a lot of them are sincere.

      • Queens Lawyer

        I dated a Bernie or bust person. She was very sincere in her belief that she could not vote for Hillary. I tried many times to explain how f–ked up it was. she would have none of it.
        But I believe that there are a bunch of people at the core who joined the Bernie campaign formally or informally, and joined early on, with the express purpose of convincing other Bernie fans, that when he lost the primary, that they could not vote for Hillary. that they had to vote for trump, or Jill stein, or some other third party ahole, or simply not vote.
        I don’t have facts or evidence to support this so it is merely a hypothesis.
        I would point out that Mitt Romney stated that when he could vote for a democrat because of an open primary, he would vote for the weakest one because he wanted the republican candidate to face the weakest opposition.

  • abstract668

    I was alarmed by the shooter’s horrible anti-Hillary stuff on his FB page, which no one has mentioned. I DO blame Sanders for stoking the anti-Hillary misogynistic hysteria during the primary, and for continuing to criticize the Democratic Party while he is trying to control it. “Yes, you can give me a blowjob, and I’ll fuck you on a weeknight, but I won’t go to a movie with you.” Many of us knew this guy in our youth!

    • King Beauregard

      I don’t think Bernie turned Hodgkinson into a monster, but goddamn if Hodgkinson didn’t feel Bernie spoke to him. Same with Jeremy Christian.

      This might be because Bernie didn’t much care who joined his campaign or how they conducted themselves, so long as he had their support.

      • roberteye

        I blame it on Jane.

      • artem1s

        specifically, IMO, Bernie didn’t care that his campaign was a natural landing field for Ron Paul supporters who were left adrift when they failed to ratfuck the GOP primary process so they could carry out their ‘burn it all down’ revolution. This latest shooter seems to be pretty clearly aligned with that crowd. wouldn’t surprise me if he is a former Paul supporter

        • King Beauregard

          Ooh, good point about Ron Paul.

          I guess we’re seeing why actual leaders (the Obamas and even the Hillaries) don’t cross some lines that the demagogues do. The demagogues end up with mobs that do more harm than good.

      • Tiny kaiju

        I feel Bernie speaks to me and I am very glad he is one of my Senators. Interestingly neither I nor my husband who likes Sen. Sanders even more than I do are violent whack jobs. Bernie is not the problem here,assholes and whack jobs having easy access to guns is.

        • King Beauregard

          You did read his response to the Nevada death threaters, right? One sentence of very tepid perfunctory rejection of intimidation, followed by a screed justifying the death threaters. It’s the sort of thing you would have expected from a Republican, and denounced as overall supportive of the death threaters.

          But Sanders has had this problem all along. His online supporters developed a reputation for being hostile to anyone who didn’t support him, and Bernie never made any effort to rein that in. A leader would have.

    • 73angelD

      I’m a lifelong Dem, a woman and a feminist and I don’t care for Hillary Clinton. It has nothing to do with the fact that she has a vagina. But please do continue to attack fellow Democrats because they don’t agree with you 100% on everything.

      • abstract668

        I’m looking forward to it! Especially those who don’t agree with me about guns, abortion, and religion. Oh, and those who want to boss around the Democratic Party when they’ve never joined it.

        • 73angelD

          Well, I guess we can look forward to losing more elections then…..

  • William
  • Internet Hitler

    Sounds like a man who was walking his own path.

  • Ducksworthy

    Shooting up Republican baseball was not in Bernie’s platform. He may have gotten that part from Jill, or directly from Vlad.

  • mardam422

    “…we’re quite sure trees do a lot better with clean water.”
    Brawndo.

  • reelreeler

    “Why do we have a second amendment? It’s not to shoot deer. It’s to shoot at the government when it becomes tyrannical!” -Rand Paul 2016 “If she (Hillary) gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks. Although the second amendment people, maybe there is” -Donald Trump 2016

  • King Beauregard

    Hey, does anyone else remember Sanders’ solution to how he’d overcome Republican opposition in Congress? That’s right, he was hoping to accomplish with mobs what he couldn’t with politics:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-transcript-october-11-2015-n442476

    What do we do? This is what you do. You say to the speaker of the House, “Hey, you don’t want to negotiate with me? I think we should make public colleges and universities tuition free. And I think we should pay for a tax on Wall Street speculation.”

    Now, do I think the Republican speaker of the House will agree with me? No, I don’t think so. But I think he’ll have to look out the window and see a million young people demonstrating and marching in Washington saying, “You know what? We want to see affordability in college.”

    Sanders’ plan all along was to use intimidation to get things done. He attracted like-minded people to his cause; GO FIGURE. (And don’t try to tell me the demonstrators outside the window aren’t about intimidation; if it’s not about intimidation, what power would they exert that, say, phone calls and post cards would not?)

    • Tiny kaiju

      Peaceful public protest is not violence, hence the key word peaceful. It maybe illegal in some places and possibly become illegal in others. When that happens, democracy is dead. Peaceful protest is only intimidating if you’re a coward and you know you are wrong. Otherwise, you look out the window and say to yourself,” Wow! That’s a lot of people who are concerned about a thing. I should go outside and find out what their concerns are and then maybe talk about solutions”. In short, acting like a adult. I don’t see that any of that coming from GOP congresscritters who hide from, lie to or accuse their constituents of people paid protesters.

      • King Beauregard

        “WhaaaaAAAA? I didn’t intend to intimidate Republicans. If they felt intimidated, surely that’s their fault, not mine.”

        The hippie fantasy is getting their way through sheer intimidation by numbers, and Sanders is nothing if not an aging hippie whose attitudes on almost all things were formed in the late 60s. The marches of MLK Jr were of a different caliber than the hippie protests; MLK Jr was genuinely about peace, the hippie protests very often had a component of trying to coerce The Man, and on occasion daring him to push back.

        • Tiny kaiju

          So, just for the sake of agreement, when “our side” gets a big old crowd together and marches through the National Mall, is that using intimidation to do…what exactly? Ain’t nobody throwing bombs and bottles on the grown-up side of the Resistance. Anarchists and feral children don’t help anyone, not even themselves. That was the part of your argument that tweaked my nostrils hairs, not the Bernie thing so much. Although I would still take him over Leahy most days of the week. They are both really too old for this shit but I don’t see much young blood up here clamor I guess to get elected.
          Total OT, from being creepy and reading your comment history; I agree with you about Mr. Wrench. I haven’t even finished the first season yet, never mind the second one (curse you Netflix DVD for being so slow and myself for putting off watching.) but seeing him in this season was a squee moment. I was even a little, but not really,surprised that he took to Nikki so quickly.

          • King Beauregard

            There is a difference between progressives occasionally marching through the National Mall, and a nation’s chief executive using mobs to persuade legislators to accede to his policy goals. That is precisely what Sanders was describing doing, and it’s seriously Third World.

            I don’t mind you checking out my history, and I hope it doesn’t spoil much that Mr. Wrench does appear in season two. Of course, he would have had to be a kid, perhaps at a playground with a kid who looks like a young Mr. Numbers. Side note, why couldn’t Molly have been played by Alison Tolman in season two, walking around on her knees and dressed like a little girl? The more Alison Tolman the better.

            I like that the themes of season three are finally coming into focus, and I really want to see where they’re going with Ray Wise’s character. I feel like this whole thing is building into a parable or legend about how, no matter how you try to create your own truth and bury the truths that rule the world, those deeper truths bound back, so long as a few people don’t give up on them. We’ll see.

          • Tiny kaiju

            She does have kind of big shoulder for a ten year old though. Maybe metaphorically too, now that I think about it.
            About Ray Wise, I saw a thing saying the character name Paul too lazy to look was a pseudonym for the Wandering Jew in some book (also to lazy to look up), which connected somethings, esp. about Varga. OTH I worried that we might be headed into David Lynch territory and I’m not really down for that.

          • King Beauregard

            I’ve heard that about the Wandering Jew as well; I don’t think Ray Wise is literally the Wandering Jew — that would require a lot of metaphysical infrastructure — but he may have adopted the name as reflective of his role, whatever it is. He seems to be positioned somewhere between this world and that of ultimate justice.

  • Tiny kaiju

    Is violating the Rules of Commenting by say Rand Paul could be of more use if turned inside out and used a a duffel bag?

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