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Some pretty amazing reporting today from Bloomberg Politics reveals that the Russian attempt to hack into states’ election systems was much more extensive than we previously knew: The number of states affected appears to be at least 39, which is roughly double the number previously reported. In some states, the hackers even attempted to alter or delete data in state voter databases. There’s still no evidence hackers were able to change any votes or even get into systems that directly recorded votes, but the scope of the hacking effort just keeps expanding every time we find out about it.

In related news, Donald Trump was shouting about former Attorney General Loretta Lynch on Twitter this morning.

In addition to the new details about the breadth of the hacking, the story, based on details provided by three anonymous sources “with direct knowledge of the U.S. investigation,” also says the Obama administration used — for the first time — a computer version of a direct “hotline” to Moscow to complain about the hacking, and to demand Russia back off:

In October, two of the people said, the White House contacted the Kremlin on the back channel to offer detailed documents of what it said was Russia’s role in election meddling and to warn that the attacks risked setting off a broader conflict.

Go read the whole thing: This is one of those investigative pieces that will have you saying “wow” a lot. The big takeaway from this — along with last week’s leak of that NSA document on Russian hacking of state systems — is that while Russian hackers don’t appear to have actually broken anything vital in the 2016 election, the extent of the hacks suggests Russian intelligence agencies have a lot of data to play with in the three years before the 2020 presidential election. One huge concern is that since America’s voting systems are a patchwork of different state, county, and municipal systems, there’s a hell of a lot of computer infrastructure that needs protecting. (A small upside: there’s no single system that can be hacked all at once.)

Or, if you work for Fox News, it means the anti-Trump fake media is getting ever more desperate and making up even more fantastic stories with no evidence, because reality is whatever you feel like it is. Or maybe, Reality will end up the Winner here, if we ever get a public commission and declassification of at least some of the sources. NSA contractor Reality Winner was motivated to leak that classified document after hearing an Intercept podcast claiming there was still no proof of Russian hacking:

Someone was wrong on the internet! And Winner #actuallyed the hell out of them — to her own detriment.

Bloomberg reporters Michael Riley and Jordan Robertson also offer this somewhat hopeful assessment of one of the mysteries involving the hacks: If the Russians gained access to state computer systems, why didn’t they directly muck around with the vote? It’s possible the Obama administration’s warning to Russia put them on notice that the hacks had been detected, so Russia backed off. But then there’s this scarier scenario:

Another former senior U.S. official, who asked for anonymity to discuss the classified U.S. probe into pre-election hacking, said a more likely explanation is that several months of hacking failed to give the attackers the access they needed to master America’s disparate voting systems spread across more than 7,000 local jurisdictions.

Diplomacy, hell. Russian intelligence simply hasn’t really given it a good try yet, and 2016 may have been a rehearsal. The article also notes that changing votes might not have even been the objective; instead,

[The] Obama administration believed that the Russians were possibly preparing to delete voter registration information or slow vote tallying in order to undermine confidence in the election.

As for the warning sent through a secure messaging system to Russia, intended to “de-escalate cyber conflict between the two countries,” that appears to have had mixed results, at best. When U.S. officials sent Moscow proof that intelligence agencies had detected Russian hacks of election record systems, Russia didn’t exactly say “Oops, you caught us, we’ll stop, sorry!” Instead,

Russia responded by asking for more information and providing assurances that it would look into the matter even as the hacking continued, according to the two people familiar with the response.

The U.S.’s decentralized voting systems seem to to have helped stymie Russian intruders this time, at least. For instance, in Illinois, which the article calls the “patient zero” of the hacks, a data systems contractor noticed data leaving the state election database without authorization. But the good news is that the state system only collected information from county systems — it didn’t send those voter records back to the counties, so even if the whole state system had been wiped somehow, the counties would have been unaffected. Of course, after a bit of probing, Russian hackers now know to go after counties, which may have less robust security and less funding to beef it up. And the state does process voter registration applications, which it sends to counties for approval, so there’s another opportunity to get in and futz around. Fun, huh? We’re sure state legislatures are already moving to approve more funding to upgrade security, as long as they can demand five forms of ID from black voters while they’re at it.

But it wasn’t just probing and stealing voter information — which included lots of identifying details, like drivers license numbers and partial Social Security numbers. Investigators also determined that hackers who got into the Illinois system

tried but failed to alter or delete some information in the database, an attempt that wasn’t previously reported. That suggested more than a mere spying mission and potentially a test run for a disruptive attack, according to the people familiar with the continuing U.S. counterintelligence inquiry.

That really doesn’t sound like the sort of thing a 400-pound guy on a bed in New Jersey would do.

According to one of the sources, the Obama administration was actually far more worried about the attacks on state election systems than the DNC and Clinton campaign attacks, since the intrusions into state records had a greater potential to undermine confidence in the vote. Homeland Security quietly helped states upgrade their security, and Jeh Johnson, then the secretary of DHS, wanted to formally declare election systems “national critical infrastructure,” a move Republicans shot down after the earliest briefings on the Russian hacks. As you may recall, when the White House proposed a bipartisan condemnation of the hacks in September, Mitch McConnell

raised doubts about the underlying intelligence and made clear to the administration that he would consider any effort by the White House to challenge the Russians publicly an act of partisan politics.

Thank goodness we’ve gotten past all that now.

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  • MynameisBlarney

    This makes me so fuckin mad….

    • Proud Liberal

      We need a new election but that’s not how we roll, I guess.

      • MynameisBlarney

        Why a new election?
        Hillary won.
        Just throw the bums out that are currently in the WH and pronounce that Hillary is the rightful and legitimate 45th POTUSA.

        • BosGrl

          Al Gore was the rightful and legitimate president in 2000 too but we never got that back either, because our own Supreme Court rigged that one.

          I agree, just so cynical at this point, I feel like if there were 100 conservatives left in the country, they would find a way to win.

          • BoatOfVelociraptors

            It’s like every time we put the guy with an inheritance instead of the popular vote in charge, bad things happen!

        • Wild Cat

          “Please, sir, another bowl of democracy.”
          “Ha ha ha ha ha! Go rot!”

          Only in the US does an offending party hold power (see Watergate).

        • Begin Anew Day

          She should sue the bum till his ears bleed!

  • Proud Liberal

    But Bernie woulda won. Shit.

  • BosGrl

    So this is a proven thing that can’t be #FakeNewsed away. Is the administration doing anything about it, or are we just “this is fine”? Argh.

    • doktorzoom

      Of course it’s fake news. No named sources, ergo Bloomberg made every word up. And if sources/documents come forward, they’re lying, like Comey. No collusion! You’re the collusion!

      • TJ Barke

        I reject your Reality and substitute my own…

        • Begin Anew Day

          I hear Dimension X is pretty nice.

        • Proud Liberal

          Listen. It’s not a lie if I believe it.

        • SterWonk

          I’m pretty sure Adam Savage intended that to be humor, not the central plank of the GOP platform…

          • TJ Barke

            Time makes fools of us all…

        • GuidedAccordingly

          We have a Winner!

      • aureolaborealis

        I’m increasingly convinced that this ridiculous “fake news!” denial behavior is intended for the core 30%. I mean, Hitler didn’t need more than a solid 30% support, right? And he was nowhere near as bigly as amazing deal-making Trump!

        • SisterArtemis

          I think the bulk of Trump’s message is crafted for that core 30%. And the rest of us aren’t worth worrying about (seems like a bad strategy, but oh well), and after all, us Dems aren’t even human!!

          • aureolaborealis

            It’s a bad strategy if you want widespread support. My concern is that they have decided (I assume someone is thinking about these things) that they only need that 30%. Hence the Godwinning.

      • onedollarjuana

        IOKIYAR

    • Alan

      Pffft. All fake news.

    • La forza del resistino

      The official WH reply to your question is Nyet.

  • La forza del resistino

    Getting that mail-in ballot in Cyrillic seemed fishy to me.

  • William
  • Joe Beese

    And Obama didn’t think we’d be interested in this news?

    • tomamitai

      Didn’t you read the part where McConnell threatened to scream “partisanship!!!!1!” if Obama released info about the hacks? We wouldn’t want the President to look like he favored the candidate of his own party by publicly objecting to the interference in our election on behalf of the other party’s candidate by a foreign power! Think of the blot that would have left on his permanent record!

      • Joe Beese

        Or, like the rest of us, he thought Hillary would win and didn’t want to risk delegitimizing her.

        • SisterArtemis

          I think this is it. Until election day, most of thought she’d pull out a win. He was playing the long game, just had incomplete data to work with.

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    I won’t believe it until Greenwald verifies it.

    • Joe Beese

      Even as a big Glenn fan, I still can’t help but notice that he seems peculiarly disinterested in all this.

      • FlownΩver

        Not as big a Glenn fan as Glenn is, IMHO.

  • tomamitai

    The gradual release of increasingly unsettling info about these hacks is starting to make me wonder if the 2016 election climbed up on the roof.

  • William
  • Skwerl the Taco Hunter
  • Joe Beese

    Melania Trump Drops Fake Cyber Bullying Campaign She Only Pretended to Care About

    http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/melania-trump-drops-fake-cyber-bullying-campaign-she-only-pretended-care-about

    • therblig

      so what will her new cause be: affordable jewelry for single mothers?

      • Bozilingus

        No, that’s Ivanka’s bag.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      Her new cause will be to keep her mouth shut about this piece-of-shit gig she wanted nothing to do with and wait for Donnie’s heart to explode and negate the prenup.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    So we’ve learned our lesson and will go back to paper ballots now? You know, those things that can be archived and recounted?

    Damn kids and their newfangled technologies.

    • Wild Cat

      We should, but it won’t happen under this junta.

    • shivaskeeper

      Doubtful. Hanging chads and all. It doesn’t really matter what system we use, someone will find a way to screw it up or mess with the results, at least on a smaller scale.

      • willi0000000

        the optical scan type of ballot doesn’t suffer from dangly chads, and is easily human-readable . . . short of overmarking a ballot i don’t see any way to fuck with a cast ballot . . . and that makes it difficult at best to affect a substantial number of cast ballots.

        sure, they can be lost, burnt-up, shredded or otherwise ruined but those are awfully obvious tampering.

        • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

          that’s what i voted on in florida back in 2007. guess they actually learned their lesson at the time.

    • Covfefe’s Evil Twin

      What, and hurt Diebold? Why do you hate the jerb creators?

      • Martini Ambassador 🍸

        But think of how many jobs you’d support in the lumbering and pulping bidnesses!

        • tomamitai

          Or renewable hemp!

      • therblig

        republicans would rather LiveCowardly

    • SterWonk

      I really should head in to the office rather than write a long diatribe on this… But…

      I’m a software engineer. While my expertise is not in voting systems, or in security in general, I have done quite a bit of work with hardware-software interaction. Depending on what you mean by “Electronic Voting Machine”, they are either a perfectly reasonable solution to several problems, or The Worst Idea Ever™; I will address each in turn.

      Reasonable Solution “Electronic Voting Machines” can be useful in many ways. For example, they can offer assistance for people who have a visual impairment, who can’t read a regular ballot. Similarly, they could help people who have trouble with manual dexterity, who can’t fill in a regular ballot. For that matter, they can help everyone make sure that every question on the ballot is addressed, even if with a “I’m not voting on this issue” option.

      Such machines should not do any tabulation on their own. Their sole output should be a paper ballot which has been validly filled in. When the ballot has been printed, the machine should display a summary of all the questions and replies, so the voter has the option of confirming the ballot themselves. When they have done so, the voter indicates that they are done, and the machine does a full power-on reset, which clears out the memory so the next voter to use the machine can’t see what the previous voter did.

      The resulting ballot has been validly filled out by the machine, and optionally checked again by the voter. It can then go into the ballot box, where it can be quickly scanned and tabulated when polling closes. Optical scanning has been in use for decades, has a very high accuracy, and a very low failure rate. It is also relatively easy to tabulate by hand if needed, either in the case of scanner failure, or statistical audit, or recount. The optical tabulator does not require a network connection; the final tallies can be saved to a piece of removable media, or more simply just read off of a screen or physical counters.

      Worst Idea Ever™ On the other hand, there is the concept of the “Electronic Voting Machine” which does not emit a paper ballot. It performs all the tabulation internally, and frequently has a network connection to transfer the tallies. The lack of a paper trail means it is impossible to audit or re-count, and the relatively complex software needed to act as a complete “voting system” by itself means that they are more easy to subvert. Adding a network connection compounds those issues.

      </rant> — And now I really do need to go to the office!

  • shivaskeeper

    So people had a good laugh about James Comey’s use of the word “Lordy”. He used another word in his testimony that got overlooked. Fuzz. As in, “There should be no fuzz on this whatsoever”.

    It’s a longish post, but here is Jim Wright from Stonekettle, and former Naval Intelligence Office defining just what the word fuzz means in this case:

    https://www.facebook.com/Stonekettle/posts/1363089817059751

    TL,DR: No fuzz means there is no doubt at all that something happened. Almost everything in the Intel world is fuzzy to one degree or another. If there is no fuzz, there is absolutely no doubt.

    • Wild Cat

      Also, no fuzz would mean a lot more innocent black and Latino people would be alive.

      • tomamitai

        Yeah, but many Doughnut shops would go broke! Think of all the jobs lost!

      • We’d be flooded with rogue tamale vendors with styrofoam coolers in Walmart parking lots at Christmas!!!1!1!

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter
    • Begin Anew Day

      I never doubted it.

      • shivaskeeper

        Nor did I. However I don’t have access to the raw intel to back up the claim. Comey did.

        No data to back up the claim makes me or you saying it speculation at best. Comey saying it and saying there is no fuzz on it is something else altogether.

    • SisterArtemis

      thanks, sk, your sum-up is helpful, and I’m going to visit Jim’s piece later for the detailed rundown.

      • shivaskeeper

        It’s worth the read.

  • BoatOfVelociraptors

    We still need a few hundred more “Trump Supporters still supports Trump” and “Hillary go away!” articles…

    • Begin Anew Day

      What? Why? Is there a shortage of fertilizer?

      • BoatOfVelociraptors

        Well, with the Senate lockout of reporters, they’re going to have to churn out something…

    • SterWonk

      One of the things I saw today was that the takeaway from Labour’s win in the UK last week, is proof that Bernie would have won.

      Because the word “Socialist” in the UK has exactly the same connotation as it does in the US… <rolleyes>

  • MynameisBlarney
    • The Green Bastard

      Turnip’s book title would be “Everyone I Like Is A Russian Hacker: How To Cheat Your Way To The Top (& Back Down Again)”

      • Bozilingus

        “Everyone I Like Is A Russian Hacker Hooker”

  • sadboy

    The hacking doesn’t frustrate me as much as the fact that Russian spies seem to know more about how the American electoral system works than our own goddamn citizens do. Russian hackers gonna hack. If American voters would pay more attention and hold our officials accountable instead of getting distracted by media tabloid crap, this would not be as much of a problem.

    • Proud Liberal

      Applause!

    • shivaskeeper

      This ^^. Russia interfering with our elections should be nothing new. There should be nothing surprising about it. Of course they would interfere any way they could, just like we do. It’s what gets done.

      The lack of understanding by our own citizens about even basic, grade school level civics is pretty well appalling.

    • Steve Cole

      People should be better informed. The state should quit buying crap systems and support open source voting machine initiatives.

      • 🛶🗣️ Mr Canoehead 🛶🗣️

        There are so many crypto enthusiasts who would LOVE to put together secure systems for the fun of it. Why isn’t anyone hiring them?

    • tomamitai

      Every time I see a story about something critical being hacked I ask the same question; why are these systems accessible over the public internet? Why do traffic lights or power grids or the machines tabulating our elections need to be hooked-up to the internet, shouldn’t they use a private secure network? Couldn’t they at least change the passwords to something other than the defaults?

      • AJ Milne

        What’s _really_ fucking scary for me is the huge gulf between defensive and offensive efforts here. Read about the Russian attack on a certain Ukraine power station, if you really want your hair to stand on end. These guys got chops, experience, time, investment, if they want a target bad enough…

        Meanwhile, there are so many legacy systems just _not_ maintained against the reality of global connectivity, and global threats. Those registration databases are just the tip of the iceberg.

        Mostly, lately, I’ve been using chemical assistance to help me sleep.

      • shivaskeeper

        It’s not the internet per se.

        The SIPR systems I used to use were closed systems. No internet access. Intranet at best and that within a very small network. If I wanted to use a muse on the computer, it had to be an old school wired mouse. The transmitter/receiver that is a wireless mouse is a potential entry point into the system.

        If there is a way to exploit the system, any system, someone is figuring out how to do it.

        • tomamitai

          Yeah, but they can’t hijack your wireless keyboard or mouse from Moscow, can they?

          • shivaskeeper

            Not yet. All thru have to go is get physically close enough. Depending on the ranges of the transmitter, it may not even have to be to close at all.

      • Gayer Than Thou

        Username: Voting_System
        Password: Password1

    • Actually, they probably don’t.

      I suspect computer hackers in Russia are just as ignorant as their American counterparts.

      That’s why they needed inside help to guide them.

      Who helped them?

    • willi0000000

      good! . . . excellent endorsement for my New and Improved Voter™

      don’t let the idiots keep voting, use New and Improved Voter™ now!

  • Joe Beese

    BREAKING: Uber CEO taking “leave of absence”, hopefully to go die in shame someplace.

    • MynameisBlarney

      That company is a like a magnet for assholes.

      • BoatOfVelociraptors

        It definitely had a “Keep what you Kill” culture.

        • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

          You’ve just described 90% of the Silicon Valley

          • georgiaburning

            Some of us obey the bag limits

      • (((fka_donnie_d)))

        In retrospect, hard to see why anybody thought that business model was a good idea. I wonder what lies mouldering in the basements of AirBnB.

        • Suttree

          Use your own car! Tear it up. Don’t receive proper payment for it. You too can hold women hostage and rape them. Who woulda thunk it?

        • tomamitai

          If it was owned and operated by the drivers it might work, but Uber was trying to fuck over both the consumer and their own workforce.

          • (((fka_donnie_d)))

            TLC exists in large part because it enables cops to find problem drivers, and creates big-ass financial disincentives for hiring them in the first place. Sad trombone.

            But, now we have a(nother) perfect example of what happens when we destroy regulation and let the free market run wild.

      • Begin Anew Day

        Electrically speaking it might also be considered a generator of assholes.

        It depends upon the flux state and position relative to the equator.

        Yrs,

        Bill Nye

        • MynameisBlarney

          Schrodinger’s Asshole?

    • Begin Anew Day

      May Cthulhu smite him first!

      • Marion in Savannah

        Or nibble on him slowly, starting with the toes.

  • Jennifer R

    New Gallup approval for donnie. 60% Disapproval, 37% Approval. New records both ways.

  • Proud Liberal
    • Begin Anew Day

      Because she “lost”. Only now the shadow of this story makes her light more brilliant.

    • MynameisBlarney

      Because, dumb.

    • Suttree

      I love this new rule for female Democratic candidates! That and all of the shushing of female Democratic congresswomen. We are almost back to the good ole days!

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      They’ve Skyler White’d her. She’s just a big ol buzzkill. Just keeping a sociopath from fully expressing himself.

  • Begin Anew Day

    May Crom, Cthulhu and Dormammu rise as one and smite this turd!

    So Be It!

  • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

    “Mitch McConnell raised doubts about the underlying intelligence and made clear to the administration that he would consider any effort by the White House to challenge the Russians publicly an act of partisan politics.”

    This was a baldfaced, treasonous statement and I will never. ever. understand why Obama, or the media, let him get away with it. McConnell actively impeded the U.S.’ efforts to combat a hack of our electoral system. Obama backing down from that threat only legitimized that obstruction.

    • Suttree

      I concur. That was bullshit! He should have immediately released the information as soon as it was a proven fact.

    • OddMan

      Agree!!!

  • SayItWithWookies

    Well, we should fuck with the Russian election and make sure they have a narcissistic, incompetent leader who’s willing to let his country sink into poverty and despair as long as he gets rich.

    Oh – nevermind.

    • Suttree

      I agree with everything with the exception of “incompetent”.

      • Toomush_Inferesistance

        Yeah, that part’s projection….

        • Suttree

          In relation to Putin only. As if that needs a caveat.

  • Mpeg

    Hackpocalypse Now

    • wait! what?

      Monty Python’s – The Meaning of Treason

      • Mpeg

        A Kiss Before Hacking, or A Hack Before Dying? [I can’t decide]

        Creature of the Hack Lagoon

        Brokehack Mountain

        • wait! what?

          Lol!
          A Hack Before Dying

          Or, bringing Val.Kilmer and Robert Downey Jr. Into it:

          Kiss, Kiss. Hack! Hack!

  • Suttree

    I am still wondering a bit about Reality Winner. My initial thought was that of patriotic whistleblower, but I haven’t read anything past the initial day of the bust. Oh,and, fuck you Glenn Greenwald.

  • Joe Beese

    Two weeks before Trump cans Mueller is very generous, especially in the context of previous firings.

    —Time between James Comey’s May 3rd Senate testimony and May 9th dismissal: One week.

    —Time between Sally Yates’s January 26th telephone call to the White House about Michael Flynn and January 30th dismissal: 5 days.

    —Time between Preet Bharara’s March 10th failure to pick up a telephone call from Trump and March 11th dismissal: 22 hours.

    If Sessions’ testimony today doesn’t go exactly the way Trump wants, it’ll be a week at most before Trump fires Mueller – or at the very least Rosenstein in preparation for Mueller. Wagering against Trump’s impatience and/or stupidity is a sucker’s bet.

    http://www.metafilter.com/167600/The-Sessions-Sessions-The-Confederate-General-Babbles-Before-Congress#7063886

  • jesterpunk

    FYI Dok this link is broken

    Some pretty amazing reporting today from Bloomberg Politics reveals that the Russian attempt to hack into states’ election systems was much more extensive than we previously knew:
    Read
    more at
    https://wonkette.com/618562/seems-russia-hacked-election-systems-in-39-states-is-hillary-clinton-sorry-yet#RhjlhLLlCd95CTg2.99

    • doktorzoom

      Well, crap… took me 11 hours, but fixed!

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Instead of always patching up all the holes in the internet, maybe we should scrap the whole thing and try again.

    • Suttree

      Or how about not connecting voting machines to the fucking internet and having paper ballot backups?

      • puredog

        In Oregon, we vote early by paper ballot by mail (hand-delivery optional, last-minute voting optional). If there’s a better, more convenient, and less-hackable way to do it, I’m all ears.

        • Suttree

          Nope. Extended voting, vote by mail, don’t expect your results at 11 P.M. eastern. Fucking wait a day or two you impatient fuckers!

        • tomamitai

          Sounds great, until some unscrupulous employer starts forcing their workers to hand their un-filled ballots over if they want to keep their jobs.

          • Marion in Savannah

            Somehow I don’t think that would fly even down here.

  • but the scope of the hacking effort just keeps expanding every time we find out about it.

    One of the two things that pissed me off about this election was the amount of certitude by Obama that the election couldn’t possibly be hacked.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7d0245e4896deca5f69113656f42bf63f9ebd5af884a5be468115304b862584b.png
    The second was Nate Silver claiming his “80% chance of victory” by Hillary wasn’t wrong

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      He probably thought he was doing the right thing, but Obama’s perpetual delusion was that after 2010 he still thought he was dealing with rational actors in the Republicans. He was not.

    • shivaskeeper

      That’s the thing though. When you talk about hacking and I talk about hacking, we are probably talking about different things. The actual hacking, while bad, was never really the concern. What the hackers, in this case the Russians, do with the hacked info is far more important.

      Pres Obama was just reiterating there was no real way for the Russians to change vote totals in any sort of significant way. Our voting system is to decentralized. Of course any potential bad actors could fiddle around the edges, but the damage would be inconsequential. He would have been briefed about this over and over again.

      • tomamitai

        Trump won the electoral college by less than 80,000 votes spread across three states. That “fiddling around the edges” sure seems to have inflicted some very consequential damage.

        • shivaskeeper

          Speculation. The disinformation campaign did far more damage. than “hacking”. The hacking might have allowed them to better target the information warfare, but it didn;t allow them to change 80K votes in three states.

          • tomamitai

            “Changing votes” isn’t required to change the outcome of an election; having enough likely democratic voter’s registrations vanish from the database, thereby causing the poll workers to turn them away or offer them a provisional ballot that may or may not be counted, is enough to get the job done. I don’t know that that happened in PA, WI, and MI, but I don’t know that it definitely didn’t happen, nor do I know that a really thorough investigation has been done yet.

          • shivaskeeper

            Of course an investigation isn’t done yet. But I haven’t seen any evidence of mire people getting turned away from the polls than the normal voter purging fuckery that goes on every election.

            The real fake news, bot farms, and information warfare did far more damage than anything else, from what I’ve seen.

      • yyyaz

        “He would have been briefed …” and listened, considered his options, consulted with experts and reached an informed decision. Gah, these morans in charge now.

        • shivaskeeper

          Yes they are. I mean if I was President I would really have to consider the implications of going to the public and saying, “Oh, BTW. the Russians have been dinking around with the voting systems. I would tell you what our response is, but it’s classified. Don’t panic.”

          That would be my guess on why he never came forward with it. Panic would have achieved what?

      • Actually, I would be happy if Nate Silvers 80% indicated hacking.

        At least that would add up.

  • (((fka_donnie_d)))

    Like I keep saying, _all_ for domestic consumption. He gets to go home and create the appearance of having hacked US elections without suffering any serious fallout for actively changing any outcomes.

  • No wonder my ballot was in Russian.

    • Crystalclear12

      Da

    • Paperless Tiger

      Did you vote for Trumpsky?

      • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

        He was the only name on the ballot. 100% of the vote comerade.

      • Raan

        Нет.

  • Vincent Ricola

    I had sketchy feelings concerning Reality Winner, but finding out that she leaked in an effort to shut the Intercept up just added some major bonus points in her favor. I mean, who among us hasn’t linked to information in an effort to shut up an idiot online?

    Oh and paper ballots/automatic voter registration for all US Citizens at age 18 FTW.

    • SisterArtemis

      Oregon’s already on board with both, plus we have mail-in/drop-off ballots. Working quite well for us, too.

    • Cheesus Crust _ Rebel

      Definitely makes me feel better about her motives. Still – wish she would have chosen a better outlet, maybe she would still be free.

  • mailman27

    Mitch McConnell is a tumor on our democracy.

    • OddMan

      I’ve seen cancerous tumors that I respect more than Mitch McConnell.

    • wait! what?

      Incurable, inoperable
      Reality-bending unstopable…

    • Rags

      He is a wart on the tumor that is 4-5.

  • Joe Beese

    Who knew this would come in handy so soon?

    Presidential Executive Order on Providing an Order of Succession Within the Department of Justice

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/03/31/presidential-executive-order-providing-order-succession-within

    • Yes, but Trump ignored Executive Order 13526 on how classified information should be handled.

      He’s still not in jail. He can ignore that one, also to.

    • yyyaz

      Order of succession for when he fires everyone at the Office of the Attorney General who won’t fire Mueller:
      “(a) United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia;
      (b) United States Attorney for the Eastern District of North Carolina; and
      (c) United States Attorney for the Northern District of Texas.”
      Anypony care to suss out who these folks are or even whether the positions are currently filled?

      • Joe Beese

        The U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia is Dana J. Boente, who was nominated by Obama, but sure looks like a Republican fuckwad.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5e756d998ef071ae7020236d23172d1416033900c6b299a28fc9986f3dd34766.png

        • BosGrl

          It’s the perfect teeth and deficient lip size that makes you think that, but you never know, maybe he’s a good one!

      • Raan

        (a) – Dana J. Boente, confirmed December 15th, 2015.
        (b) – John Stewart Bruce, acting, appointed January 8th, 2016 through the Vacancies Reform Act.
        (c) – John R. Parker, serving since December of 2014, circumstances of appointment unknown.

  • Bozilingus

    Isn’t it possible that information was copied from VR sites, including likely political affiliation, and passed to SuperPACs who could then send negative materials to not-Republicans in an effort to influence their vote? No need to change actual votes when you can manipulate the narrative about your opponent.

    • sadboy

      Exactly. That’s what drives me crazy about this. Russians (and they’re not the only ones) know they don’t need to mess with election machine tallies when they can get voting pattern metadata and blast manipulative media messages to affect voters. And they know that there is a good percentage of our electorate that is dumb enough to fall for it.

  • ariel_gee_398

    Well, we’ve known for quite some time that Republicans would rather our elections not be fair. Now we know they don’t care if they’re secure and accurate, either. With people like that in power, it sure makes Russia’s job a lot easier.

  • Trumps silence on this issue reminds me of a Whitman quote, “complacency is complicity”.

    • Donkey Option

      Trump’s silence on the issue makes me long for the days when I could pretend he didn’t exist.

  • MynameisBlarney
    • Latverian Diplomat

      “Your hands are gargantuan, brobdingnagian, elephantine…”

      “Say what now?”

    • jaspersdad

      Look at the style, the fit, the cut, the quality, the line! Only the super intelligent, the savvy, the loyal can see just how well your new clothes look on you Mr Emperor!

    • aureolaborealis

      “Ooooh, you are so bigly! So absolutely huge! Gosh, we’re all really impressed down here, I can tell you!”

      • wide_stance_hubby

        That has been rolling in my head since yesterday–thank you!

  • Toomush_Inferesistance

    So once again, Turtle McMurtle was a traitorous little goggle-eyed shit?….yep….

  • roberteye

    The talking point that RW’rs and squishy moderates repeat endlessly is that yes we were attacked by Russian hacking BUT THEY DIDN’T CHANGE ANY VOTES. Oh, “whew” so Trump lost by 3 million fair and square. Well a)we don’t really KNOW if they were able to purge voters, perhaps b) in league with the usual upstanding Americans fucking with the voting like Kris Kobach and Scott Walker… but c) certainly the strategic hacked email dumps, fake news stories ginned up by “Russian patriots”, and crazed Bernie Bots feeding off the Wikileaks leaks arguably either changed minds or deter people from voting. Never mind Comey letter and media obsession with “emails, emails EMAILS!”

    • Cheesus Crust _ Rebel

      Kinda makes you wanna take a really good look at the code for Crosscheck, don’t it.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Well funded Russian hackers can’t do what three million undocumented immigrants supposedly did. Cognitive Dissonance, not just a River in Egypt.

    • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

      Since in many counties there are no paper trails, and no way to match up voters with their votes, how do they state with certainty that nothing was changed?

      The tinfoil-toupee answer is: this was the outcome The Elites had purchased.

  • Gorillionaire

    Mitch McConnell is evil.

    • yyyaz

      I prefer an “ambulatory sack of shit contained by scales.”

    • cheetojeebus

      BTW, the press hallway ban is about the ACA thing not Sessions.

      • BosGrl

        Apparently it is not a thing – somebody lied! Some congressguy on the Rules Committee said nyet.

        • cheetojeebus

          While technically not a rules change, Shelby’s statement is a veiled acknowledgement that current rules will be enforced -albeit more strictly and interpreted in a manner they never have been in the past.

  • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

    Some tRump style “tweets” I just came up with. Enjoy.

    I have been so abused by unfair Superman. He’s not even American! Sick! Low Energy! Need Krypton Travel Ban Now!

    Unfair Batman, never has any other Clown Prince of Crime, with few exceptions, been treated so unfairly by a man dressed as a bat. Illegal?

    Tony Stark had my wires tapped! Must Investigate! Phony Tony tried to hack my server. Loser!– Ultron

    Data Tapes leaked! Leia Organa is a LEAKER! Traitor! More Bothans to follow.

    Alex Delarge is a Good Guy! The best Droog!

    Never asked George Denbrook is he could “float”. Stuttering Bill is a liar! See You in DERRY!

    Lazarus Pits are The Fake News! The League Of Shadows is being treated so unfairly by the Fake Liberal Media. Talia Al Ghul being treated so unfairly!– Ra’s al Ghul

    Captain Trips is a hoax by China! Must pull out of CDC now! The Walking Dude was right!

    Why shouldn’t we be friends with Hydra? Never met Baron von Strucker, but GOOD GUY! Very fair! Madam Hydra’s a 10!

    Never told Anakin could “defeat death”. Killed Younglings. Very Brave! Jedi Council on Witchhunt!

    Cut funding to “sactuary cities” near District 9!

    Isildor stole the ring of power! Unfair Elves! Need Mordor Wall NOW!

    • wait! what?

      I wonder what type of woman has to beat up men to feel secure. Diana, apologize to the Germans immediately!

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “For it’s own security, Mordor needs a buffer state between itself and the criminal Galadriel regime. Gondor should do quite nicely.”
      — Sauron

      • Msgr_MΩment

        “All Mordor wants is safe buffer states between us…
        …and the safe buffer states between us…
        …ad nauseam.”

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      Shit. Where’s the Silver Surfer when you need him?…

    • BosGrl

      This is one of my favorite Twitter accounts. Changes all of Drumpf’s tweets to ST:DS9 people/places.
      https://twitter.com/realRealDukat/status/873952721266765826

  • wait! what?

    Fox news – where Reality goes to die.

    • puredog

      “Democracy dies in Fox-ness.”

  • DerrickWildcat

    Cathy Giffin walked around with a head and a play in Newyork had Trump get headf cut off!

    • BosGrl

      Both sides do it!!!11

  • OddMan

    Damn Mitch, you are one partisan hack and you have the fucking temerity to say, “raised doubts about the underlying intelligence and made clear to the administration that he would consider any effort by the White House to challenge the Russians publicly an act of partisan politics.”

    That is some fine bullshitting there Mitch, and you can just go to hell.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      It’s true, it was some bullshit that he even had the guts to say it. But as events turned out, he had Obama figured right.

      He NEVER should have backed down from a threat like that.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Goddamn
      Oligarchical
      Proletariatsrevolution.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    “But comrade…her emails.”
    — Not a Russian hacker, nothing to see here

  • Everrett Fanuelli

    Serious question: Does Greta Van Sustern have a medical condition?

    • Joe Beese

      Does a botched facelift count?

      • SisterArtemis

        Is that what’s going on? It matters not one way or another as to Greta’s substance (or lack thereof) but there’s something odd about the musculature of her face.

        It helps me to know what’s behind these things. I have a much easier time listening to both Charles Krauthammer and Diane Rehm, now that I know what influences their speech.

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      I’m just curious why she talks like Supreme Leader Snoke

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Isn’t it TinkerBell’s palsy?

      • arglebargle

        Tinklebell

    • yyyaz

      Can’t stand to watch her long enough to gin up an armchair diagnosis.

    • janecita

      I think that it’s bad plastic surgery.

      • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

        Could be the skinsuit zipper got stuck.

    • SeeTrain65

      Does having a brain made solely of horse shit count?

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Russia responded by asking for more information and providing assurances that it would look into the who leaked the matter even as the hacking continued, according to the two people familiar with the response

    /fixed
    /FFS

  • Mavenmaven

    Nothing gets Trumpists more excited than contemplating a Lynch.

  • https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8b81bfca2604d6dc65aa5ee92708dbbdbc912e8c5e54bc33aa9fbded7e14c7bf.jpg

    39 states?!?

    And Trump’s approval hovers officially at 39%?!?

    THE WIZARD OF OZ, GONE WITH THE WIND, and SON OF FRANKENSTEIN were all released in ’39?!?

    In Afghanistan, the number 39 is considered unlucky due to the belief that it is associated with PIMPS?!?

    It can only mean ILLUMINATIS!!!

  • Msgr_MΩment

    See, this is why I scream at the TeeVee unit everytime that well-meaning clods like Comey so confidently say that there’s no evidence that Russia altered the election. Do the investigative legwork first, Dudley.
    /oops. mixing vintage cartoons.

  • William

    Can anyone verify this story? If it’s true, it’s the funnest thing I’ve seen so far this week.Trolls Tricked Conservatives Into Holding A Massive Rally To Defend A Texas Monument https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasacks/trolls-tricked-hundreds-of-conservatives-to-hold-a-rally-to?utm_term=.fcdykz190J

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      It’s twue it’s twue!

      • William

        OK thanks. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. These are the same people that were convinced a routine military exercise known as Jade Helm was the United States invading…..one of it’s states.

    • SisterArtemis

      I posted this take on it yesterday, from a life-long Texas Democrat and all around good gal
      Juanita Jean: I Love Yew, Houston

      • William

        Thanks. I can now shrug my shoulders and mutter “Meh….Texas”.

    • UnsaltedSinner
    • Latverian Diplomat

      This sentence from the article is a garbled mess….

      And unlike other cities working to remove Confederate monuments, like New Orleans, Houston never actually joined the Confederacy.

      Houston the city, as part of Texas, did join the Confederacy.

      Houston the man, is unlike New Orleans in many ways.

      FWIW, Houston was a slaveowner who opposed abolition. However, he opposed secession, and was removed from office as Texas governor. He died in 1863.

      His position was perhaps not illogical for a man who worked so hard to get Texas in the Union in the first place.

      • William

        Thanks for that. I love history and truly appreciate those who go through the trouble of getting to the reasons that motivate the people who shaped our history. I try to temper my disgust for some of what goes on in Texas by remembering that they were once a country, and seem to burnish their political stance with that historical fact.

    • Nockular cavity

      Even though it was a fake, they’re claiming victory against their imaginary foes. On to glory!

  • BMW

    Several of the links in the article are broken or go to the wrong places.

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      I get paranoid….

  • Latverian Diplomat

    I miss the good old days, when the Russians accomplished their espionage with wigs and sexytimes.

  • cheetojeebus

    The guy with a conscious over at the NSA, “Here take this, this’ll fix the traitor. ” “Hmm, that’s weird, here take this, this’ll work” [crickets] “damn it! what’s it going to take? here try this”….”wow, we brought down the government of Honduras with less than this.”

  • PubOption

    The 39 States? Sounds like a 100 year old spy novel.

  • beatbort

    Oliver Stone will get to the bottom of this.

    • jesterpunk

      Andrew Jackson would have solved this already. Not many people know who he is though but he is being talked about more and more.

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      “Did I miss anything back there, Vladimir?”…

  • azeyote

    and in other news – trump wants to lift sanctions –

  • IdiokraticDrumpfenResistance
    • Latverian Diplomat

      “Amateur. Doom cares not for Majorities. Doom demands UNANIMOUS approval!”

      • yyyaz

        Like yesterday’s Cabinet meeting.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    2017: Applying the Shock Doctrine, the Republican Congress passes a bill moving the Electoral College to a secure Internet voting system.

    2020: Despite losing the popular vote by 20 million votes, Donald Trump wins the Electoral College, 65535 to 3.

  • Raan

    “[…]Jeh Johnson, then the secretary of DHS, wanted to formally declare election systems ‘national critical infrastructure,’ a move Republicans shot down after the earliest briefings on the Russian hacks.”

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/74e0f3eda7aab6fc893da831ffe71c17f8a4c1ad82ec6c0101159d893a0ed187.jpg

  • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

    “Russia is very interested in your call. Please to be holding on the line and your callings will be answer in order of receive.” *Tetris music loop*

  • SadDemInTex
  • Crank Tango

    Hey, the guy’s new.

    He had no idea he shouldn’t involve an enemy state in tampering with a presidential election.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “How does that go…friend of my country is my enemy, the enemy of my country is my friend? Something like that.”
      — Donald Trump

      • mancityRed6

        needs moar enemas

        • Latverian Diplomat

          Donnie’s branch out, I thought he was strictly a pee guy,,,

    • Msgr_MΩment

      “Hey, lookie. I negotiated a nice present from them: this yooooge wooden horse.”

  • Joe Beese

    If anyone wants to pay me $260,000,000 to run a company into the ground, holla at me.

    Marissa Mayer leaves Yahoo with nearly $260 million

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/13/investing/yahoo-marissa-mayer-severance-stock-verizon/index.html

    • jesterpunk

      I will do it for $200 million

      • jowgajen

        $199 million here.

        • beatbort

          Minimum wage here.

          • Toomush_Inferesistance

            Sure. With bennies….

          • JoeChristmas

            Karen Handel will make sure that is not a livable wage.

    • MynameisBlarney

      Failing your way to success!

    • janecita

      I’d do it for $100 million, call me instead!!!

      • aureolaborealis

        Shit. I’d do it for $75m, and I’d get it done faster!

        • Gayer Than Thou

          Oh, are we bidding? I can ruin your company faster and cheaper. For $50 million, I promise to leave your company a literal smoking ruin in under 6 months! Cash in advance, please.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      To be fair, Yahoo! was already in deep trouble, her plan to escape the hole by digging to the other side of the Earth just didn’t pan out, is all.

      • georgiaburning

        jinx

      • AJ Milne

        It’s just crazy enough to make it worse.

    • georgiaburning

      She didn’t even do it all herself, it was falling apart when they hired her.

      • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

        Getting rid of work from home really helped, didn’t it?

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        it’s been falling apart since they ended the old comments system and as people discovered there were better internet portals than Yahell, MSN and AOL

    • Crank Tango

      Yahoo wasn’t already in the ground?
      and I would, so would. http://www.glamour.com/images/inspired/2015/01/marissa-mayer-main.jpg

    • Red Bird Ω

      Well, at least they’re treating her like they would a male CEO.

  • DainBramage

    Putin’s puppet reached a new high of 60% disapproval in the Gallup Daily poll.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx

    • laughingnome

      He can get to 70!!

      • beatbort

        He’ll really be Putin’s puppet when he gets to 144% disapproval.

      • puredog

        It’ll be sort of the Trumpian equivalent of shooting your age in golf (though after tomorrow he’ll have to get to 71% disapproval).

    • BosGrl

      Here’s something he can genuinely boast about: He is the BEST at being the WORST!

    • Donkey Option

      I was worried that it had leveled out because he wasn’t actively blowing up the world. People have annoyingly short memories.

    • Meccalopolis

      What will finally break that 34 %?

  • Ducksworthy

    But what about her emails? Thank Gawd were were warned in time!

  • Courser_Resistance

    I’m so glad I spent last weekend communing with nature and friends. God only knows how much longer we’ll have it. Holey Babby Jebus on a Whole-Wheat Cracker!

  • wait! what?

    So, are all the sexy-times disqus accounts that follow me part of the next wave of hacking? All the broken English is simultaneously getting me aroused and causing seizures…

    • OutOfOrbit

      You haz sexytimes disqus accounts? Do tell. What do they do to you?

      • wait! what?

        I’m promised wives and massages and real truly love encounter.

        • OutOfOrbit

          How many wives? and what kind of messages?–email? snailmail?…oh, oops, you said “massages”…ok, I’m game.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      I thought a type of seizure was the normal culmination of arousal.

  • Joe Beese

    The reality of working in a factory making clothes for Ivanka Trump’s label has been laid bare, with employees speaking of being paid so little they cannot live with their children, anti-union intimidation and women being offered a bonus if they don’t take time off while menstruating.

    The Guardian has spoken to more than a dozen workers at the fashion label’s factory in Subang, Indonesia, where employees describe being paid one of the lowest minimum wages in Asia and there are claims of impossibly high production targets and sporadically compensated overtime.

    The workers’ complaints come only a week after labour activists investigating possible abuses at a Chinese factory that makes Ivanka Trump shoes disappeared into police custody.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/13/revealed-reality-of-a-life-working-in-an-ivanka-trump-clothing-factory

  • KYS Twice

    I laugh every time I read one these Fake News, bash Trump, blame Russia retarded stories. Keep it up. In 10 years everyone will look back at this garbage and have a good belly laugh. LMAO!!

    • BosGrl

      Sorry, you said a magic word. Buh bye.

    • laughingnome

      Your KY’s leaking

    • MynameisBlarney

      So?
      Why do you think anyone here gives a flying fuck what your stupid ass thinks?

      • KYS Twice

        Typical libtard response. Do you have your fingers in your ears waving at me with your tongue stuck out? LMAO!!

        • BosGrl

          Yawn.

          • Donkey Option

            Where do we go for the banhammer betting pool?

          • BosGrl

            I was thinking inappropriate profile – “kill yourself” is not very nice.

        • MynameisBlarney

          Wow, you sure showed me.
          How could I possibly recover from such a towering display of intellect and razor sharp wit?

        • Toomush_Inferesistance

          So, Keeps Yelling Stupidly Twice – did you think by trolling here, you would convince a whole lot of folks that Mitch McConnell is not a traitor? He’s a traitor…

        • Lance Thrustwell

          You are not L-ing your A off. I doubt you’re even chuckling. If you’re capable of anything but a mean-spirited fake laugh designed to irritate people, I would be surprised,

          I know I’m assuming a lot from a couple of comments, but I bet I’m right.

        • puredog

          He’s got you there, Blarney.

    • JustDon’tSayCovfefe

      HI THERE!
      Fuck off.

      • KYS Twice

        You to. Have a nice day, crybaby.

        • vivian

          Eat a box of ticks, miscreant.

        • Lance Thrustwell

          It’s ‘too’, not ‘to’. A nearly uniform characteristic of conservative trolls is their lack of command of what is supposedly their proudly native language.

    • Christopher Story

      We will gladly keep it up.

      • KYS Twice

        Like a child throwing a tantrum? I don’t care. LOL!

        • Christopher Story

          Liar. If you didn’t care you wouldn’t be here

          • KYS Twice

            Can’t think of anything original? LOL!

          • vivian

            In this case I assume LOL stands for Life Of Loser.

          • KYS Twice

            LMAO You are sooooo pathetic. What a loser.

          • vivian

            Coming from a troll that really stings

          • Everrett Fanuelli

            Mental midgets gonna mental midget

          • KYS Twice

            Yes, you are. Have nice time playing with your brain, but don’t forget to glue it back in when you’re through, dumbass.

          • Christopher Story

            And you’re some kind avante garde savant?

          • KYS Twice

            Yes, as a matter of fact I am. Enjoy.

          • vivian

            savant de rien

            (also, you forgot to say LOL)

          • Phoenixdoglover

            Vraiment.

          • Christopher Story

            Then why are you so generic? Trolls like you come a dime a dozen. But please, continue to entertain me with your stale schtick. I’m bored and stoned and need a way to pass the time.

          • KYS Twice

            Oooo. Generic. Ooooo. Big word from little mind. Ooooo.

          • puredog

            I can’t see my screen anymore, having been dazzled by the originality of “LOL.”

        • MynameisBlarney

          Project much?

          • KYS Twice

            You libs are a riot. I could stay here all day and laugh my butt clean off. LOL!

          • vivian

            Don’t lose your head.

          • KYS Twice

            Why? You need one that works?

          • vivian

            Reading comprehension fail. Try again. Second thought, don’t bother. Oh, but bother is what you’re all about. So have at it dimwit. It’s exciting to have people call you names isn’t it?

          • Everrett Fanuelli

            “ME NO UNDERSTAND FIGURE OF SPEECH!”

          • KYS Twice

            WOW! You actually graduated the 4th grade. Hey, congrats all around.

          • MynameisBlarney

            I’ll take that as a yes then.

          • KYS Twice

            You can take any way you want, sweet cheeks. LOL!!!!

          • MynameisBlarney

            You do realize that the current administration in the White House is comprised almost entirely of people with deep ties to Russia, right?
            The clock is ticking on the turmp regime, he knows it, you know it, everyone here knows it.
            That fact is what makes your feeble attempts at trolling so obvious.
            I bet your poker face ain’t worth a shit, either.

          • KYS Twice

            Do you realize how stupid you are? Oh, wait, stupid jerks like you CAN’T realize how stupid they because they’re too STUPID.

          • Everrett Fanuelli

            You cons are morons. I could read you all day and feel sorry for the future of our country.

          • KYS Twice

            Not a con. genius. Try again, loser.

          • puredog

            Uh oh, here comes the butt stuff. Turgid? Is that you? You had us going for a moment there.

          • KYS Twice

            Why? You libs are mostly fags and LOVE butt.

      • BosGrl

        He can’t, sadly. This is probably why so angry.

        • KYS Twice

          You call hysterical laughing anger. Interesting. LOL!

          • BosGrl

            In your case, I call hysterical laughing a sign of possible mental illness. Please get some help.

          • KYS Twice

            Like Hillary?

          • MynameisBlarney
          • KYS Twice

            Oh, look. Innovation at last. See? I’m a good influence on you children.

          • MynameisBlarney

            Uh huh…
            Says the child that just got out of class.

          • Christopher Story

            More like Trump. All you’re doing is desperately vying for the attention and affection you never got as a child. At this point, you’re so starved that even negatve responses still mean you get the attention and validation you crave.

          • Everrett Fanuelli

            No like your girlfriend when she sees your cock size

        • Christopher Story

          Ha ha. No stamina. Guess liberals just last longer.

      • KYS Twice

        Okay, kids, Daddy has work to do. Play nice, now. Buh Bye!

        • vivian

          Fucking yourself is not a job.

          • KYS Twice

            It seems to work for the Democrats. LOL!

        • Christopher Story

          Kisses Daddy. When you get back, lets do that thing Mommy won’t let you do to her. ;)

    • therblig

      so, today’s asshole incursion? pretty lame.

      • KYS Twice

        Lame response to asshole incursion. How old are you? 7?

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        won’t even make DSFB

      • Yr. Gma

        Block the trolls. I find that is more productive than trying to engage one.

      • SeeTrain65

        As usual.

    • Phoenixdoglover

      You are trite and boring. Try harder.

    • janecita

      Honey, I’m already laughing my ass off! I’m laughing at all the idiots that voted for Trump, and are getting FUCKED! You guys are quite amusing.

      • therblig

        most of them don’t even know it yet. i heard a story on npr this morning about Coalstrip, MT which went for trumpy and cheered when he shitcanned Obama’s clean power plan. i guess they never read it, because it contained provisions to transition the soon to be out of work coal workers to other jobs. now they get dick. oopsie!

        oh, yeah – and one of their legislators wants silicon valley, which only exists because of electricity from coal (his claim), to pay up. sounds like welfare to me.

        • janecita

          Fuck them all, I’m done feeling sorry for those losers! They got the president that they deserved.

        • Skeptical_thinker

          The truth of the matter is (IMHO) that most of the workers in dying industries that are doing jobs that require minimal skills do not want to improve their skills. They just want to make good money doing what they have always done, nothing more, nothing less.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          the article is posted in wonkville

        • Three Finger Salute

          They wouldn’t want those jobs anyway. There’s an identity factor of “manliness” connected to fossil fuels that goes beyond merely the fact that they’re working at something to put food on the table.

          The clean-power plan being introduced by a blah guy is part of it, but environmentalism in general affronts Trumpistas because they associate it not with tough frontiersmen “living off the grid,” but with petal-picking flower children, metrosexuals in Priuses, feminist Gaia cults, and that carbon-hating cuckboy with the pink socks in Canada.

          This article explains why opposition to climate change (as opposition to liberalism in general) is intrinsically linked to toxic masculinity and the homophobia that goes along with it.

          http://www.alternet.org/environment/climate-change-culture-war-trumps-paris-pullout-giant-middle-finger-left

    • MynameisBlarney

      Cool story bro.

    • Truck Fump
    • Everrett Fanuelli

      Yes. We will look back in 10 years and laugh while sitting in out rubble shacks half insane from radiation poisoning. Good Times. Good Times.

  • BosGrl

    30 minutes until Sessions reassures us Russia is actually a figment of our imaginations.

    • Joe Beese

      Take a shot every time he says “executive privilege” and you won’t remember where Russia is.

      • Proud Liberal

        Or what Russia is.

        • cheetojeebus

          vlodpka? [hick]

      • Raan

        Or you’ll be able to see it from the Capitol building.

      • therblig

        vodka or moonshine?

        • Raan

          Fuck it, alternate.

      • AJ Milne

        What if (for reasons I cannot currently explain) I still want to live?

        • janecita

          Alternative between a shot of vodka and a shot of water, you’ll be fine, I hope.

    • Shanzgood

      Isn’t it starting now?

      • BosGrl

        2:30 apparently.

  • Paperless Tiger

    The Russians also hacked the voting software companies, which means they accessed both the front and back ends of the vote tally operations. There’s really only one reason to do that.

  • Aaron Wise

    I still blame Susan Sarandon for this mess.
    /s

    • Proud Liberal

      She’s sure laying low now isn’t she?

      • Aaron Wise

        http://variety.com/2017/film/news/susan-sarandon-shoufra-refugee-documentary-1202455726/

        If trying to help people is “laying low” then yeah.

        She’s laying low.

        • Proud Liberal

          Good for her. Maybe, she will stay out of politics now.

          • Aaron Wise

            The country needs progressive voices now more than ever.

          • UnsaltedSinner

            Progressive voices that tell people there’s no point in voting for Democrats?

          • Aaron Wise

            Progressive voices that stand for Americans.
            Not NeoLiberal bullshitters.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            NeoLiberal

            DRINK!

          • Aaron Wise

            Wall Street whores? Do nothings?
            The country has a 50% poverty rate.
            Yup.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            c’mon, lil pony- say “establishment” next. I just love those empty buzzwords- much easier than actually formulating a coherent thought

          • Marceline

            The ponies are all worked up because of last weekend’s BernieCon. Most of them seem satisfied just to attack black women on Twitter but nice to one of them mixing it up.

          • UnsaltedSinner

            The Revolution will fix that any moment now.

          • Aaron Wise

            The only revolution that can work is a political one.
            Feel the Bern!
            Americans deserve representation by leaders that speak for us all.

          • UnsaltedSinner

            Except Democratic primary voters, I guess.

          • Rok E Raccoon

            All of America is feeling the burn. Where do I sign up to thank the mazel tov cocktail throwers?

          • mfp

            khaaa-rhyst….fucking amateurs, amateur-ing

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Ralph Nader is on it! and Jill Stein will fix everything once she finishes dining with Putin

          • pstockholm

            Yeah ACA was some real neoliberal bullshit. So glad we’re getting rid of that now.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Fauxgressive that helped give us GWB and Trump?

          • Ducksworthy
      • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

        She’s celebrating that Hillary lost!

        • Aaron Wise

          She is?

          Link?

          • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

            I assume so. This is what what wanted.

    • JoeChristmas

      It was multifactorial, e.g. fucking Jill Stein? The only thing green about her is the money she took from Putin. To name just one of the siphons.

      • puredog

        Say, whatever happened to that $6M or so Stein collected to challenge vote counts?

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          Stein 2020!

          • JoeChristmas

            The grift that keeps on grifting.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            She’s like a political cicada who stays burrowed in the ground only to re-emerge every four years to make a lot of noise and suck up as much money from the rubes that she can.

        • JoeChristmas

          Haha, I guess we should be trying to get these left wing rubes in our camp.

        • Marceline

          She kept it. She claimed that she would ask donors what she should do with the leftover cash then – whoops! – no cash was leftover.

      • janecita

        Yes?

      • Ducksworthy

        Frank spoiled her.

    • Aaron Wise
      • UnsaltedSinner

        Jimmy Dore! DRINK!

    • Other Chris

      I used to love her, too. Never forget!

      • Aaron Wise

        /s = snark

        • Other Chris

          Ahh, I see. Well, fuck her and fuck you too. The lesser of two evils is still lesser, but wafflers like yourselves prefer to play with fire.

          • Aaron Wise

            I play with hope and change.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      I still blame Susan Sarandon for this mess.

      NO FUCKING SARCASM, your pathetic purity pony hero worship be damned

      • Aaron Wise

        Americans deserve a politician that works for the people.
        It’s that simple.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          She’s a politician now?

          • Aaron Wise

            Um no. Why would you think that?

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            because of your post to me?

            SMH

          • Aaron Wise

            Try not drinking.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            try thinking. while you’re at it, reread your response to me , then tell me how the fuck

            Americans deserve a politician that works for the people.
            It’s that simple.

            has anything to do with Susan Sarandon being an idjit

          • SeeTrain65

            A quote from “How To Win Friends and Influence People” or the “Being The Best Asshole You Can Be?”

            Bye, “Friend.”

        • janecita

          I agree, but Trump got elected instead. Btw, Hillary wasn’t a perfect candidate, but she was way better than Trump.

          • Aaron Wise

            A paper bag could have beaten Trump.
            The DNC fucked up big-time.
            Clinton was the worst possible choice for us Dems.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            16 republicans couldn’t, Einstein.

          • janecita

            At the end of the day, you have to vote for the person that’s going to be better for our country, and Hillary was that person. I like Bernie, I voted for him in the primaries, I donated money to his campaign, but he lost the nomination. I’m a pragmatic, I’d much rather have a flawed president, than the crazy, ignorant fucker that got elected.

          • Biel_ze_Bubba

            “Worst” only because the Fucks Gnus crowd had been programmed to hate her.

          • Three Finger Salute

            Programmed to hate because Hillary is a “her”.

          • ahughes798

            Wrong candidate, wrong message, wrong time. Trump is infinitely worse. I want to see a Democratic woman from the Democratic wing of the Democratic party be our next president.

        • Yr. Gma

          So what did we get? Purity has a price.

        • Predisenting Ron

          This is true. But that Stein woman warn’t it.

      • Marceline

        But don’t you just love all the energy in the streets? Is there anything more entertaining than seeing people fight for their lives?

        Seriously, that Marie Antoinette wannabe makes me sick.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          But didn’t you hear? She’s ‘helping people’ by making some documentary she’ll show at Sundance while she attends cocktail parties and pats herself on the back for her activism…

  • janecita

    I’m getting some snacks, closing the office door, now I’m ready to scream at my tablet. Bring it on Sessions!

  • Donkey Option

    Okay, so my mom thinks I’m crazy, but what I am worried about is that they didn’t have to hack much to swing this election. If there were just able to alter a few counties in those few key states, they may not even have known that they had actually affected anything, but it could have done it. The election was so close, and it was decided by a handful of locations. And considering that most people working in election offices seem to not be very tech savvy and remind me of my admin who was to be reminded every day not to open the obvious phishing emails, I do worry that the election could have been affected. I’m not saying it happened, but I’m saying it’s not outside the realm of possibility.

    • I read that the number of votes that swayed the electoral college to drumpf was only about 60,000. Totally possible that they could have done that.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Not only the votes, but a massive psy-op through social media involving their like-minded ilk in the Pepe crowd and resurgent hardcore neo-Nazi brigade. Fox News too. Roger Ailes’ legacy is that of grooming the public for 25 years to vote in an easily-manipulated “infotainment” moron who’s a puppet of an actual fascist government overseas. All so that women would have to get back in the kitchen, gays back in the closet (or the coroner’s office), blacks back on the plantation (or hanged from a tree), and infidel/unbelievers back into the churches (or blown to rubble). The irony? It’s Russia who ends up enabling the GOP to implement the agenda of the fucking John Birch Society. We’ve really come full circle.

  • Tio_Doidinho

    There were warnings of possible mucking with voter registration between August/September. In early September I checked my NY State voter registration on the online database, and it was fine. I’ve been registered to the same address in Queens for ten years. Election day 2016, I go to vote and my name is missing from the registration lists. Completely, totally. Voted by absentee ballot. Sent an email to the secretary of state asking for an explanation, which I never got.

    So, um, yeah.

  • Joe Beese

    Tweet tantrum arriving in 5, 4, 3…

    Less than 24 hours after winning the 2017 NBA Finals on Monday night, the Warriors unanimously voted to decline the expected White House invitation, according to several reports including one by CNBC analyst Josh Brown.

    http://www.ajc.com/sports/warriors-unanimously-decline-white-house-visit-per-reports/i7uecqAhFfD8e2pj8KAqKK/

    • puredog

      A Bay Area team? Where’s my shocked face (rummage, rummage). . .

    • CindyinEncinitas

      OMG I LOVE THEM!!!!!! California’s winning athletes got no love for Cheeto Brain!

    • Phoenixdoglover

      They should hang with Barry and Michelle for a day. Infinitely more enjoyable.

      • Pilotshark

        show up where he is at, with another 44 jersey.

        shoot a few basket.

    • Moebym Reborn

      Consider me a Warriors fan, then.

    • gratuitous

      Can they just send Tom Brady?

      • Red Bird Ω

        He didn’t go this year. The wife stopped him.

    • Roadstergal

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8oDg3RSgQw

      I love me some Iggy, and seeing him appreciate and applaud Obama’s little bit of snark made me love him more.

  • Marceline
    • Proud Liberal

      I love me some Sherrod!

      • ahughes798

        Isn’t he the guy the Dems picked to support, over an actual Iraq war veteran, an honorable liberal man named Paul Hackett who publicly called George W. Bush a son of a bitch? Yeah, I hold a grudge.

  • IdiokraticDrumpfenResistance
    • Raan
    • Marceline

      Mattis (out loud): “Mr. President, it’s an honor to represent the men and women of the Department of Defense. And we are grateful for the sacrifices our people are making in order to strengthen our military so our diplomats always negotiate from a position of strength. Thank you.”

      Mattis (internally) “You punk ass bitch. The only reason I’m here is to try to keep you from getting our people killed.”

      • Meccalopolis

        call me mad dog again, draft dodger and it’s on

    • William
    • DerrickWildcat
    • Proud Liberal

      A bunch of invertebrates. Sad!

    • Latverian Diplomat

      You’re the top!
      You’re an arrow collar
      You’re the top!
      You’re a Coolidge dollar.
      You’re the nimble tread
      Of the feet of Fred Astaire,
      You’re Mussolini,
      You’re Mrs. Sweeney.
      You’re camembert.

      • Marceline

        I’m always here for some Cole Porter.

        • Latverian Diplomat

          Technically, the Mussolini line is something PG Wodehouse wrote for the British version (Replacing the American references to An O’Neill Drama/Whistler’s Mama)

          The Cole Porter estate denies Porter had anything to do with it.

          Wodehouse fans say he was being satirical (he made fun of Fascism elsewhere) but if so, it doesn’t really fit the song.

    • theCryptofishist

      So, Jeff “suck” Sessions can use a word like fabulous, and the entire right-wing nut case contingent doesn’t go “He’s gay!”

      I also think that Sonny Perdue managed that the best.

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      No thesaurus needed, really: Il Douche only knows “great”, “terrific” and “best”, and his attention span doesn’t extend to four adjectives.

    • SeeTrain65

      Raymond Shaw Donald Trump is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.”

  • Rick Hill

    Seriously, every major republican has blocked or stalled any efforts to look into this. Right here and now, we are looking at history, the biggest scandal ever to engulf our country and it’s being kept on the downlow.

    • CindyinEncinitas

      Is that why I feel sick now?

      • KYS Twice

        You feel sick because you’re a brain-washing idiot.

        • CindyinEncinitas

          Well aren’t you special? At least my brain is nice and clean.

    • Proud Liberal

      They want their tax reform and 6 Supreme Court justices damnit.

      • KYS Twice

        They’ll get ’em too. Liberalism is dying on the vine. Move to the EU if you don’t like America. Send us a postcard.

        • desida

          I wasn’t aware that “liking America” meant being happy about our government being overrun by oligarchs and Russian puppets. Thanks, comrade!

          • KYS Twice

            Russia! The Russians are coming! Russia! Russia! Russia! You’re so gullible I could sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      Well, that’s just part of the scandal. The cover up of the scandal. The weird thing is the republicans forgetting what happened at the Nuremberg trials.

      • KYS Twice

        Yeah, thet executed the National SOCIALISTS.

    • pstockholm

      The calling Congressional Dems thing in January seems to have stiffened their resolve for, if not quite resistance, at least better opposition. Or what is the consensus on that? Was it a measurable thing? Did it work?
      Maybe it’s time to give it another go, this time complaining about their excessive politeness to Republican enablers (which is pretty much AOTK).
      There shouldn’t be a day that passes without some Democratic Senator calling out Republican elected officials for enabling and exploiting both the Trump circus and the Putin interference.

    • KYS Twice

      Lie. Lie. Lie. The Good Guys (Republicans) are trying straighten out the horrific mess the Dems made of a once great nation and the Dems are still whining because Crooked Hillary got rejected by the REAL American people. MAGA

      • desida

        “Hillary got rejected by the Russians”

        FTFY

        • KYS Twice

          Americans rejected that crooked POS Hillary and you’re still in denial and still whining. Time to grow up and leave liberal La La Land. You’re an idiot. smh

  • OrG

    The republican party is a criminal organization.

  • JMP

    It’s so weird that Glenn Greenwald, while constantly defending those who leak US government secrets along with his rapist friend Julian Assange’s Wikileaks, would effectively turn over a whistle-blower who leaks information that reflects badly on Russia, why it’s almost as if he, like Assange, had really just become a lackey of Vladimir Putin and is in fact not the liberal he claims to be at all but a pawn of the far right instead.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “You can’t be a fearless contrarian without hiding behind somebody’s skirts.”

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        that’s the reality of the situation…

    • Greenwald has never claimed to be a liberal, has he? He’s always been on the isolationist right. Only idiot liberals ever thought he was a liberal.

      • ahughes798

        This idiot liberal thinks that at one time, long ago, he was a very good moderate liberal political writer. He has obviously done a 180 since then.

  • Red Bird Ω

    The GOP knew about the plan for voter records hacking ahead of the election. That is why they were so eager to talk about massive voter fraud. They were expecting to have to do a recount if Hill won. The recount would have exposed the altered records and made their claim of fraud believable.

    • Perkniticky

      I give you points for originality, but I remember the Republicans running the polls being very annoyed with Trump for going on about voter fraud, because it reflected badly on them. I mean, they’d look like fools if they didn’t prevent the Russian hacking, especially after the FBI warned them. Look at the shit Podesta got for letting someone hack his email. The again, there’s a difference between what is good for local party officials and what is good for Trump.

  • baconzgood

    I thought Republicans didn’t like Russians.

    • susan_g

      That was way back in the 20th century. Today’s GOP is nothing but gangstas stealing our money.

      • C4TWOMAN

        And in that sense, they have found kindred spirits in the Russian Mafia.

      • whitroth

        Really? Sorry to tell you, but that was *all* about winning and holding power. You heard about how “only Nixon could go to China”? That was because, if a Democratic President had done it, they’d be trying to string him up on a lamppost.

        • davidhollenshead

          You fall to understand why Hardliners prefer working with other Hardliners, regardless if they are Socialists of Soviet Union, Communists of China, or Republicans in the USA.
          They don’t trust negotiating with leaders who focus on the common good for humanity, but they do trust negotiating with similar vermin.

          • Ill-Advised

            Better the devil you know.

          • HooverVilles

            Agreed, but that makes it all the crazier since there is no honor among thieves.

    • Yr. Gma

      It’s the new normal.

    • Pilotshark

      well when you get compromised, then you have to join them.
      in the same lines of if you can not beat them join them.

    • ahughes798

      Yeah…..didn’t they do this big anti-commie witch hunt thing in the ’50’s? And completely ruin a lot of innocent people’s lives?

      • Three Finger Salute

        Russia isn’t run by communists anymore. It’s run by ostensibly Russian Orthodox theofascists who hate Muslims, gays, uppity women, and pretty much anyone who doesn’t look, think, or behave like they do. What’s happening right now in Chechnya is the GOP’s wet dream.

    • HooverVilles

      That’s what they have been since forever.

  • BosGrl

    Breaking: Per MSNBC, Trump lawyer Michael Cohen gets House Intelligence Committee subpoena for – September 5.

    • therblig

      obligatory “says who”?

  • Résistance Land Shark Ω
  • Punkysdilemma

    I’ve been wondering if Russia was supposed to cast 3 million votes.

    • Perkniticky

      Ah hah! It’s all starting to make sense now!

  • Mojopo

    I am in IL, and I remember trying to look up voter data last year on the Board of Elections site and getting nothing, but I could find it on the County Clerk’s site. This article creeped me the hell out.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “We have no record in the database of this state called Illinois? Funny I could have sworn it was there yesterday. Oh well, computers are never wrong.”

    • I blame rauner.

  • Moebym Reborn

    It’s times like this that make one wish the drafters of the Constitution HAD thought to include a provision to hold a second presidential election should the first one have been tainted.

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      I’m sure the possibility never occurred to them.

  • TJ Barke

    You know, the people that crow so loudly about US sovereignty don’t seem that upset that Russia violated our sovereignty…

    • gratuitous

      It is curious, no? Also, the rule that everything with this administration always turns out to be worse than it first appears is running a winning streak that the UConn women’s basketball team would envy.

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      They’re basically like 6 year olds, only concerned with the smartypants girl in their 1st grade class, and don’t remotely understand any larger context. Also, they are weaklings who want a strongman to take care of them, and who better than Putin? Last, they are morons.

    • Nephilim

      Absolutely. My thought is they don’t want to admit they were elected in a flawed election because of Russian interference. I don’t know if there was collusion, I would hope not, but that’s why independent investigations need to be conducted to answer that question. The American voters need to know if their vote was a result of foreign manipulation into our electoral process.

      • whitroth

        That’s because, to quote the sportsball star, “winning isn’t anything, it’s the only thing”, and their hold on power is *all* that matters.

        That, and what their billionaire owners (oh, no, *they’re* not ‘special interests’!) tell them to do.

        • Nephilim

          Agree again. Concentrated money and concentrated power are corrupting our democracy – and becoming dangerously worse with Donald Trump in the White House

    • KYS Twice

      Vlad told me he didn’t need to influence with a POS like Hillary running on the Dem ticket. Slam Dunk for Trump. MAGA

  • whitroth

    As a computer professional, let me give you a really scary, and *very* possible scenario: anyone here remember all the stories of thousands of people being thrown off the voter roles, and so couldn’t vote? And that was based on data provided, I think it was, by the RNC, or maybe it was a private thinktank?

    One story was about a guy tossed off, because someone with the same name was registered in FL. Well, *not* the same name, since he had a Jr., and his father in Florida didn’t.

    The question I have is how they got that alphabetically-sorted *national* list of names?

    • davidhollenshead

      Another IT Professional here, and I was wondering if the Russians achieved the same effect as CROSSCHECK, of invalidating legitimate ballots.

    • Perkniticky

      So the RNC passed around a list of names to all the local voting precincts and they painstakingly removed people one by one? Wow, they must have more resources than I thought.

      • whitroth

        Did you not pay attention last year? No, some organization came up with a list, something like 100k names, and sent it around to the state Reptilian committees, to knock folks off the voting roles.

        I leave it as an exercise for the student to do some web searching about the voter suppression by the GOP.

        • Perkniticky

          I’m just commenting on the administrative burden that would require – separating out individuals by district, sending those names to each individual district, and then someone in the district would have to go through their records deleting individuals one at a time. It would take a lot of time and effort, and plus it would involve an enormous number of people, and the more people involved in a conspiracy, the more likely someone is to talk. Obviously I’m not arguing that voter suppression doesn’t happen (despite your condescension and misunderstanding of my argument), but it doesn’t happen the way you are saying it happens. Because that would be an incredibly stupid and inefficient way to do it, and why bother when there are much simpler ways? Instead of swallowing conspiracy theories whole, I wish people would exercise some critical thinking skills and try to figure out whether the theory makes any logical sense.

        • Perkniticky

          I remember stories of thousands of people being knocked off voting roles in certain states because they were inactive. You can do that easily enough with an automatic command. I don’t remember stories having to do with different districts comparing their voting rolls and getting rid of duplicates. Not saying it wouldn’t happen, but it is surely not common practice (remember a number of Republicans turned out to be registered in multiple states?), and, again, it would be a stupidly inefficient way to suppress votes. But maybe Republicans are even worse at government that I thought – I’d like to see your source before making final judgment.

  • Jgb979

    This is exactly why nothing is being done about it in the political branches.

    Eventually it’s going to be pretty clear Trump Bigly lost the popular and electoral votes, and this whole six month nightmare never should have happened in the first place.

    Gotta ram through that Obamacare replacement first for reasons

    • Marceline

      This nightmare isn’t going to last six months. It’s going to last years. Watergate took two years and that didn’t include the entire Republican Party being complicit and corrupt.

      • theCryptofishist

        Sadly, I fear you’re right. Happy to see you, however. It’s been a while.

      • Perkniticky

        It’s going to take a while for enough people to realise they’ve been had. Batten down the hatches, we’re in for a stormy ride!

        • Three Finger Salute

          If they don’t all die from lack of health coverage and environmental pollution first. Which I’m sure is the intent.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      I was just fantasizing about waking up and reading a headline that said “election results dismissed due to rampant fraud, the real president, Hillary Clinton will be starting today.” God, that would be so thrilling.

  • theblackdog

    So in a few months we should see a revelation that voter data did get changed, and it’s probably why voters got thrown off the rolls.

    • Three Finger Salute

      But only the “wrong” type of people — as in, people in marginalized demographics who tend to vote (D) because the (R) hates everyone who isn’t a white male. Algorithms exist now to detect “funny”-sounding names. Female ones too. This is how HR departments get away with chucking “ethnic” and female resumes in the junk folder. The “spam detection” software cross-references certain keywords with a database of “wrong” people. If “Jamal” or “Aisha” are on the “blacklist,” no call-back for you. I’m sure the Rooskies working hand-in-hand with the Goopers could have implemented a similar system for voting databases.

      • Whollyholeyholy

        Have an attorney friend who volunteered for voter protection on Election Day in Pennsyltucky and right after the election she said I think we are going to find out they hacked the voter rolls and purged the Latino surnames.

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    Challenging the Russians is an act of partisan politics???

    Only if you’re on their side, you fucking worthless shithead.

  • Bitter Scribe

    Of course, after a bit of probing, Russian hackers now know to go after counties, which may have less robust security and less funding to beef it up.

    Especially in Illinois, where the counties are spending all their money making up for the gaps in social services left by the state. Those gaps occur because the state can’t pass a budget, and the state can’t pass a budget because the idiot amateur blind ideologue useless rich C. Montgomery Burns impersonator we call governor won’t sign one unless unions are castrated, because he hates unions.

  • Bitter Scribe

    Hey Dok, your link to the Bloomberg story seems to be skunked. Here’s the correct one.

  • Persistent Demme

    Are we gonna have to nominate an Independent like Bloomberg, (not Bernie “leftie” Sanders), to unite this country?
    Is it possible to unite this country?
    And if it’s possible, do we/you care?
    Discuss, (especially if you can’t stand the racist POS on the live blog).

    • Dudleydidwrong

      “Is it possible to unite this country?” You’d think so after all the information and evidence we’ve been given since the election. But given the Republican response, I’d say the answer to that is a resounding no.

    • Perkniticky

      What does “unite this country” even mean? Has the country ever been united and is it something we even want? It sounds kind of like a one party state like China – I’m not sure I’m particularly interested in that idea.

      • My usual response to calls for someone to “unite the country” is; unite the country to do what? March on Tehran? Institute universal health insurance? Ban all abortions? Register all privately-owned firearms?
        Doing nothing whatever?
        I have an idea! Let’s do nothing!

        • Perkniticky

          Even better – let’s do whatever we want! Peacefully and safely, naturally.

  • Back in Jan and Feb we were all scrupulously saying he won the electoral college and certainly russia interfered but not with the ACTUAL VOTE!! That would be tinhat crap.

    Looks like we need some tin hats.

    • laineypc

      I read this as the actual vote has not been determined to be fucked with so far, but if Republicans continue to inexplicably not give a shit, actual vote fucking by the Russians is a real danger.

      • Ill-Advised

        I can’t decide whether the Russians want to own just one party or if they’ll try to collect them all. Seemed like Stein and that other guy were pretty comfortable eating Putin’s bread.

  • Predisenting Ron

    Surely THIS is enough to make the US mad and retaliate in some definite and meaningful fashion.
    … no?
    Okay, then.

    • BadKitty904

      Not while Congress is controlled by Russian collaborators, i.e., the Republican Party.

      • KYS Twice

        Russian collaborators. Like Pelosi and Hillary??? LOL!! Uranium One. Don’t forget that name.

        • delete your account probably

          Yeah man that conspiracy theory that was debunked years ago sure proves something or other (mostly that you’re a credulous moron).

    • Dudleydidwrong

      “You bad people–STOP DOING THAT! RIGHT NOW!”

      “Okay. We retaliated” — the Trump administration. “Now about those emails….”

  • bookish

    Good article. Thanks, Dok.

    • KYS Twice

      Lies are a good article in Lib Land. smh

      • delete your account probably

        What’s the exchange rate on ruble, these days? Did you have to practice bootlicking, or were you just a natural?

      • HooverVilles

        Projection eh. Прощай

        • KYS Twice

          That was soooo lame. Sorry, I have to give you an F minus on that. smh

          • HooverVilles

            Oh, I am so disappointed. Whatever will I do? That was soooo devastating. What a monumental intellect you have there. You get an A+ on trollishness.

          • KYS Twice

            Liberals are trolls. I’m not a liberal. I’m an American, unlike you.

          • HooverVilles

            False mirroring and ad hominem attacks are two major tools in your tool box. The only people you are fooling are the people who hold signs that state intellectually brilliant things like “Get a brain morans”, …tranny…, illeagles, and much much more.
            buh buy you genius.

          • KYS Twice

            Oh, stop whining. It’s so boring.

          • HooverVilles

            Why stop when it’s so entertaining reading your blathering responses.
            Oh and you state you are not a liberal. WOW, I got gobsmacked with that. /s
            What’s your next genius insight?

          • HooverVilles

            So boring you came back!

          • pussygrabber in chief

            Oh please. He doesn’t even have minor tools.

          • HooverVilles

            I know. Sigh! Maybe it would have been moar accurater & betterer if I had said s/he is a tool.
            Whatevs.

  • BadKitty904

    So. Any indication that this is still going on or won’t be repeated in the Georgia vote, in 2018, 2020, etc?

    • Marceline

      What would you like the Dems to do?

      • BadKitty904

        This is the second time you’ve asked that question, Marceline. It’s an excellent one and I still don’t have a detailed answer.

        I’ll ask you the same – what are the Dems doing about the hacked, corrupted federal and state voting systems? And what do you think they should be doing about them?

        • Marceline

          I don’t believe it the job of “the Dems.” This is something that should be investigated by the intelligence community and law enforcement like any other data breach and/or form of espionage. If the Russians are coming after our infrastructure (not just elections but banking or power grid) that’s not a political issue. Or at least it shouldn’t be.

          What the Dems should be concentrating on is making sure our voters can work around the systemic voter suppression being instituted by Republicans. Helping vulnerable people get the ID they need, dragging these suppression schemes to court (although even that would probably be done better by the ACLU, NAACP, SPLC, and other advocacy groups.), transportation and if what I’m hearing about the ground game in GA is half true, they’re on it.

          Sorry but I’m tired of this narrative of “the Dems” being feckless for not doing what isn’t their responsibility to deal with. Next we’ll be blaming the Dems for not fixing the situation in Qatar.

          • BadKitty904

            Brava!

            I agree it shouldn’t be a political issue. However, thanks to the Republican’s illegal control of the Executive Branch and Congress, I believe it currently is most certainly a political issue (as well as an intelligence and law enforcement issue). At the very least, I’d expect the Dems to be screaming about this from the rooftops and keep doing so until it is addressed AND corrected by the intelligence and law-enforcement communities.

            I also agree that the Dems should be working as hard as possible to expose the Republican’s persistent and organized voter-suppression efforts. But such work is pointless if the voting system itself cannot be relied upon.

            You’ve said repeatedly that you’re tired of Dems being slammed for their current lack of leadership, engagement, and effort. As a fourth-generation, dyed-in-the-wool yellow dog Democrat, I am, too.

            Which is exactly why I keep publicly chiding the Democratic Party and Democratic politicians – I expect better of them. FDR, JFK, and LBJ did not confine themselves to issuing “sternly worded letters”. I know the Dems can’t magically fix all the horrors our nation currently faces, but they can at least be the persistent, deafening Voice of the Resistance.

      • covfefesumgame0005

        well, first off fire whoever ran their security before the election, then get a new one who can keep Bernie-bros and Russian’s OUT!

        • Marceline

          That doesn’t address the issue of 39 states being attacked by Russians which, again, is a law enforcement and intelligence issue. Or are we now saying that the Dems are responsible for maintaining the integrity of IT systems for boards of elections in all 50 states? It’s the Democratic Party, not Stark Industries.

          • covfefesumgame0005

            you asked about the DNC, they do not have jurisdiction over state property…

          • Marceline

            The OP mentioned what the Dems should do to fight this in the future. Seriously can you not see the thread you responded to. Or the article we’re commenting on?

          • covfefesumgame0005

            and I gave my recommendations for the fucking DNC (Democratic National Committee since you do not seem to know what that is) . is it all that hard for you to climb out of your own ass and stop being such an asshat?

          • Marceline

            Is it asking too much for you to read the full thread, you dickhead? Your entire posting history is filled with nothing but personal attacks. Take your pills and calm the fuck down.

          • covfefesumgame0005

            is it asking to much for you to STFU and leave thinking to those who can?

            “I would ask if the Dems”= DNC or Democratic party, my original reply addressed the DNC and nobody else. seems your main objection is my comment including the thieving Dirty Bernie so you have taken it upon yourself to annoy me. congrats, you are fucking annoying! and trying to hide your motive is just dumb on your part. I have read the entire thread and you are off topic and off point. GFY dipso, stop with the Sterno

          • doktorzoom

            Hi! You know what Yr Friendly Neighborhood Comments Moderator is not fond of? People telling other Wonkers to climb out of their own ass or to fuck off over a trivial disagreement. Yes, she disagreed with you. But you escalated it into a shouting match and a bunch of insults. Stop it. people who disagree with you are actually capable of rational thought, and just come to different conclusions.

            Notice how BadKitty and Marceline have a discussin in which they don’t scream at each other, even though they’re not on the same page on this question? You could try that.

            — Dok Zoom, Yr Friendly Neighborhood Comments Moderator

          • covfefesumgame0005

            you may have noticed the flags and that I blocked her, so I am not sure why you are attacking me for being attacked? in any case she is blocked so whatever it was is over

          • Three Finger Salute

            How about forget IT systems for something as sensitive and important as voting, and go back to paper ballots? Tech doesn’t solve everything, nor should it. Why the hell do we have computerized voting systems anyway?

          • Marceline

            I agree about tech in general but it’s not like it’s hard to destroy or “loose” paper ballots. Or pay off some poll worker making $160 dollars for that day?

            In 2012 I took my first “ballot” selfie so that I had photographic evidence of my paper ballot. I’ve done it every election since.

          • Penny Dreadful Says Resist

            Hold on – poll workers make $160 a DAY?

          • Kooolest G

            I think the dems should introduce legislation that every state must do a paper ballot and make everyone take a ballot selfie and dip their finger in purple ink and whatever other security measures they can think of just to watch the republicans stumble over why they voted against it after they’ve been clamoring for “voter ID” for years.

          • HooverVilles

            ^^^^THIS^^^^

  • GemlikeFlame

    Unless the Russian cyberwarfare organization is completely incompetent, we should never have seen any evidence of intrusion, dress rehearsal or not. These days, any twelve-year old with an internet connection and a Wikileaks fetish is a l33t hackz0r, and they are clumsy, stupid, and vastly numerous. The pros, which Russia and the US employ, are none of those things. A script kiddie may stumble across a vulnerability, but he/she won’t know what to do with it and won’t be smart enough to cover their tracks.

    If the goal was to throw doubt on the integrity of the election process, this is exactly what we should have seen; deliberate, highly visible failed attempts to penetrate various state’s voting systems. It’s not clear how that would have benefitted the GOP, though it does coincide with Trump’s bleating about the election being rigged. Ironically, this may be an argument in favor of the Electoral College, its members are supposed to be smart enough to recognize this kind of thing and counter it.

    I think we can assume that many, if not all of the state voting systems have been compromised to greater or lesser degrees, and not by amateurs.

    • Lefty Wright

      One thing you mentioned is that the evidence of hacking seems to have become more clear about the time Trump started mentioning rigging. At that time, prior to the Comey letter to congress, it did appear Clinton had a clear victory in sight. This timing, with the claims of Trump about rigging and the increase in efforts by Russia to access state elections data, is just another bit of circumstantial evidence that point toward some type of communication between the Trump campaign and Russia. It was the fall back position by Russia, Trump and the GOP to cast doubt on what appeared to be a Clinton victory. How much you want to bet that if Clinton had won, this same information would have been leaked out by the GOP? And that they already had information on the attempts to hack elections data.

      • GemlikeFlame

        Double-edged sword, evidence of tampering would have soiled a Republican victory as easily as a Democratic. While the knowledge of the tampering may have been exclusively Republican, they could not have expected to keep the evidence itself quiet forever, and it was pretty obvious that Russian inluence in the election was to benefit Trump. This may be the crux for the violent attempts to quash inquiry into all things Russian, but I have a sneaking suspicion that this is just the tip of the iceberg.

    • whitroth

      Well, no. There is no country or organization with “the top people”. There are really, really good people everywhere. And just because someone’s got a REALLY, REALLY good team, doesn’t mean that another such team can’t find them.

      And if you’re just cracking in, and figuring your way around, you’re very probably going to leave tracks.

      Go read Coocoo’s Egg, by Cliff Stoll.

      • GemlikeFlame

        You won’t find what you aren’t looking for. China and the EU countries also have experienced teams. The pros know how to go invisible or won’t touch a target at all. System security is impressively complex, and I’ll admit that I don’t know much about it by choice. I hack graphics, not networks. I knew a couple of gargoyles, they were very tight lipped about what they did and how. I do know much of it was social engineering.

        I lived in the Bay Area for many years and had a passing acquaintance with Cliff, I have a few of his Klein bottles lying around. “The Cuckoo’s Egg” was about a nascent German hacker in the 1980s who wasn’t making any real effort to cover his tracks (though rubbing his keys over the exposed pins of a dialup port to send random data to the hacker was pure Cliff genius.)

      • Erala Contratista

        Ready everydamn thing by Cliff Stoll!

      • John Harper

        I only read Mink Stole

  • Dudleydidwrong

    What pisses me off is that I voted nine times in nine different polling places. The Russkies blocked eight of them so I only got to vote once for Hillary. This democracy thing is really in a shambles and must be corrected. Is our government learning?

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    Mitch McConnell is a piece of shit. That’s all. I just needed to get that off my chest.

    • KYS Twice

      What chest. You don’t even need a bra.

      • delete your account probably

        Are you twelve? Oh, right – just another illiterate traitor.

        • Three Finger Salute

          Everyone needs to flag this moron. As for the new options (which I guess is what Anna was talking about the other day), I selected targeted harassment. This sort of crap certainly seems to fit.

          • HooverVilles

            Done!

          • javadavis

            The only drawback will be when “his” comments disappear and replies are floating around like breadcrumbs in a weird game of telephone. But, done.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        That’s truer than you know.

  • William
    • davidhollenshead

      Or be part for the problem, depending if the effected districts included a large Irish population, like Boston.

  • Sharon Cooper

    Sometimes I pretend I live in a world where Hillz is president and all the adult Trumps are serving long prison sentences.

    And it’s a fucking awesome world, lemme tell ya.

  • Truly Madly Derply

    So there it is, girls and boys. McConnell sided with Russia over Obama and the Democratic party. I can’t EVENNNNGGHG
    http://media2.giphy.com/media/2mfcjjP51PbEc/giphy.gif

    • KYS Twice

      Throw yourself to the sharks and be done with it. The world won’t miss you.

      • delete your account probably

        I can’t imagine anyone being more un-American than you. Wow.

        • KYS Twice

          Really? Try looking in the mirror sometime.

          • delete your account probably

            You are literally telling people to kill themselves for caring about US sovereignty. Also you utterly lack genitals. Like a Ken doll.

            I hope that helps!

          • KYS Twice

            I’m literally saying you’re a hypocrite. Is that concept too hared for you? You need a child to interpret simple English for you?

          • delete your account probably

            OK, sorry you don’t know what words mean. It’s because you’re really stupid.

          • delete your account probably

            Also I’m pretty sure “hared” is a muslim word. Haha! You’re not white any more!

          • delete your account probably

            Also, I am continually baffled when you people deploy “I know you are but what am I?” as a defense. Are you aware that you are supposedly an adult?

          • KYS Twice

            ‘Also, I am continually baffled…” Yes you are. What a loser you are. SMH

          • delete your account probably

            Haha wow, you’re terrible at this, Ivan. No wonder you hate America – a whole nation of people better than you in every capacity.

          • KYS Twice

            You’re liberal, which means you can’t win. Liberals are born losers with diminished capacity.

          • delete your account probably

            Sorry, I don’t speak Russian.

          • KYS Twice

            Better learn. Putin invades at dawn.

          • delete your account probably

            Yes, I get that you’re a turncoat coward. I already said that.

          • KYS Twice

            I love the taste of liberal tears in the morning. Keep whining. I love it.

          • delete your account probably

            Haha yeah I already said you enjoy treason.

          • KYS Twice

            Despising libs is not treason, it’s patriotic. Libs are Benedict Arnolds down their pink panties.

          • delete your account probably

            Is that what they teach you in Confederate traitor homeschool?

          • delete your account probably

            It’s also SUPER WEIRD that you – someone who is mad ONLY AND ENTIRELY because GOP/Russian collusion is being investigated – thinks they are in a position to call other people “Benedict Arnold”.

            I mean, I’m sure your cartoon grasp of history was well-earned from all those cereal boxes, but maybe – just maybe! – you are kinda super fucking stupid for even trying that?

          • Ill-Advised

            Also known as tu quoque. Favored by fourth graders and desperate defense attorneys with clients that neither listen nor tell them what they’re lying about.

      • Truly Madly Derply
        • Rachel Book Harlot

          We would miss you. **hug** That person who responded to you is an asshole.

        • Don’t despair too much. I’d still stand with you on a mountain. 😆

      • Your hero is a two bit con man who is growing fat off your stupidity AND he sold your country to a foreign power :*
        Must so suck to be you

        • KYS Twice

          It’s obvious you’re a product of public education and very bad parenting. My accept my sympathies.

          • HooverVilles

            Прощай

        • KYS Twice

          Trump is THE MAN. You, on the other hand, are the CUCK. Go join Antifa and throw a tantrum, LOSER. lol

  • Wait….
    Reality listened to Glen G sniffily saying no evidence, no evidence!
    So she leaked the evidence and Glen G Clumsily forgotted to hide her identity when he turned over said evidence to the DOJ?

    • Whollyholeyholy

      What an absolute piece of shit that guy is.

    • phoenix00

      Sounds about right.

    • Yeah, that part trips me up too. Why in God’s name did she think someone shouting “NOTHING TO SEE HERE, IT’S JUST A ‘DEEP STATE’ DISTRACTION” about Russian collusion for a year (especially a guy with a mule-like stubborness about his precious narratives) would be at all receptive to her documents? Seriously girl, you could send a tape of Trump and Putin whispering sweet nothings in each other’s ears about election interference and The Intercept will still conclude “No Evidence.”

  • Mathew G. Smith

    Why the hell do those systems have internet connections at all? Keeping important systems isolated is the most basic rule of information security.

    • So we can get instant results. Because Americans can’t wait 5 hours let alone a couple days to count votes.
      Paper. Ballots. Now.

      • HooverVilles

        So true and oh sooooo bigly SAD!

      • Tania

        Memories of hanging chads (is Australian, we draw body parts on our ballot papers)

  • KYS Twice

    GOOD NEWS: Donald J. Trump is now the President of the United States. MAGA

    • unpocketedstupidcomments

      No, the good news is that in just one post you’ve made it abundantly clear that I never want to see a post by you again.

      • KYS Twice

        Bye, bitch.

    • delete your account probably

      You accidentally wrote Trump’s name there instead of Putin.

      • Ill-Advised

        He seems nice. Probably just mispronounced the name. It’s hard when the competition among bots, Russians, 400-lb boys, and Trump voters all try to work the same corner.

      • KYS Twice

        Let’s see all the evidence you have on Russian influence. Don’t be shy. Post it.

        • delete your account probably

          “No amount of evidence is enough!” cried Putin’s manbride.

    • Jonny On Maui

      I thought we told everybody to stay away from the brown acid…

    • persistently_resistant_gayby

      Oh shoot – was I supposed to burn in flames, now..? Not working, dud.

      • HooverVilles

        S/he is a dud.

    • HooverVilles

      Ah, MAGA – Make America Grate Again.
      Got it!

    • doktorzoom

      Boring troll is boring, banhammered.

      — Dok Zoom, Yr Friendly Neighborhood Comments Moderator

  • Seth Rich

    Clinton nut-bars couldn’t possibly ever solve a crime like election rigging even if Boris
    was about to get run over by a train

    • Mike Steele

      In ‘Spy v. Spy’, will take Kislyak over Page and Kushner. In ‘Lawyer v. Lawyer’, will take Mueller over anyone Trump has previously stiffed…looking at you, Marc, among others.

  • Ill-Advised

    I’m not authorized to view whatever’s behind the Loretta link in Doktor Zoom’s article. I haz a sad, as I understood that tweets were Presidential communications to the public (court ruling?), or whether my freedumbs were abridged by lack of access to social media ( paging S. Gorka!) or maybe over-enthusiastic disqusion means I’ve been identified as a bad hombre. How will I receive my unclassified, unexecutively privileged communications now? Halp!

    • pussygrabber in chief

      I get mine from George Soros, along with my monthly troll money,

    • Laffing Crow

      trump must have just realized that he’s done something else illegal, that he could possibly get nailed on. He’s just yelling about Loretta being a cheat who was in the bag for cheating Hillary. Plus illegal! The usual psychological projectiles.

  • javadavis

    The link to the Bloomberg article went somewhere 404 – but i found a link to something similar:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-06-13/russian-breach-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections

  • By the way Greenwald’s utelizing his “take-charge” leadership skills to say “The buck stops here…somewhere over there”:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/874708705065009152?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/874717505515909120?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

    I guess Glenn and Jeremy are just the figureheads and eye-candy of the Intercept then.

    • CO

      Is he ever not an asshole on twitter?

      • SeeTrain65

        Is he ever not an asshole on twitter?

        FIFY.

    • Glenn (and his Nagging Finger of Sanctimonious Hyperbole) would post more in his defense, but he has go scold some liberal about how they need to take accountability for their actions….

  • Alex Grey

    Have we said “Benghazi” enough times yet? If not then Benghazi, ahh Benbullshiti, uh something that starts with “B” I think….

    • javadavis

      But what about the emails?!? Huh?!?! What about those Benghazi emails with exploding melons!!!???!! Where did that money go, huh?!?!?0

  • Jo Mathie

    The evidence is probably in the basement of some sort of fast food vendor. (Seriously hard core Republicans you have actual evidence of Russian interference, blatant nepotism and exactly zero when it comes to making what ever makes “America great again”. It’s been six months and the entire world hates you ( do come over to the UK though, the welcome you will get will be interesting,,,

  • Rickyphoo

    The Russians don’t have to hack the entire US voting system. All they need to do is fuck with the voting tally in a couple of the “swing” states. The Electoral College will take care of the rest.

    • javadavis

      And they don’t have to hack the machines themselves, just have a mole or agent in certain critical districts or states to do the actual deed.

  • gilderbeast

    Wouldn’t a robust central system be helpful against this?
    Register, get a solid secure federal ID that lasts… Say 10 years. It says what County you’re voting in. If you move you have to exchange it for a new one registered to your new voting area.

  • Mike Steele

    Say what you will about ‘crazy uncle’ John McCain, but he must have caught up on his sleep, as he finally nailed it during the Sessions’ ‘so-called’ testimony, wherein Jefferson Beauregard, McCain’s former colleague on Armed Forces committee, admitted that, since assuming the reins as AG, he has not ONCE inquired about nefarious Russian acts. JMcC also implied, through some serious shade, that Jeff hadn’t been the sharpest nor most vigilant knife in the drawer back in his committee days, and currently was not pursuing one of the major threats he was hired to preclude. It was VERY telling, IMHO.

  • guest

    IMHO one of the reasons that Michigan, Pennsylvania & Wisconsin fought so hard and spent millions of dollars to prevent the recounts after the election is because they know the system was hacked and votes were changed. According to cyber experts all it takes in a memory stick. They also didn’t want the absentee and provisional votes counted since the margin was so slim. I worked the polls for years and was always annoyed at the end of the evening that the absentee & provisional ballots are not counted. We’re given some BS story about how they are counted at the end process. That’s didn’t make since because the elections in many instances were called before we finished for the evening.

    The NSA knows that votes were changed. Since last year the government & media have been saying there was no Russian hacking. Now, they are saying yes there was hacking but no votes were changed-but they had access to voter data, but no votes were changed. Why would the hackers go through the process of hacking the actual machines and not change votes? That makes no sense. On top of all of this-they most likely had help from someone in the US. The NSA knows, the FBI knows, The Justice Dept knows-the problem is they don’t want to initiate a constitutional crisis by saying the person in the WH is illegitimate and one of the most precious fought for rights of a citizen of the US-has been hacked and stolen. Our Vote. These agencies know Trump has no right to be in the White House but if they expose all of this-what to do next?

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