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With 99% of precincts reporting, Republican millionaire Greg Gianforte has won the special election for Montana’s single congressional seat, beating Democrat Rob Quist with 50.2 percent to Quist’s 44.1 percent of the vote. For whatever consolation value it may hold (very little), the election was closer than many Republicans had expected, and much closer than Donald Trump’s 20-point victory over Hillary Clinton in the state last fall. Yr Wonkette would also note that gerrymandering may have played a role, considering the district is drawn in such a way as to include a large majority of Republican voters:

Shapes like that just ain’t natural. Might be “contiguous,” but it sure as hell isn’t “compact.”

In his victory speech, Gianforte at least apologized for having body-slammed Guardian reporter Ben Jacobs, admitting that he had attacked Jacobs and apologizing to both Jacobs and the Fox News crew who witnessed the attack:

The crowd was in a more than forgiving mood; the Washington Post reports that when Gianforte said “I made a mistake,” a supporter in the crowd shouted “Not in our minds!” — it’s not audible in the AP video above, but the laughter following the remark is. Once Gianforte got to saying “I should not have responded in the way that I did, and for that I’m sorry,” a supporter shouted “And you’re forgiven,” which got much more applause than the actual apology.

Completely missing from Gianforte’s apology: any mention or retraction of his campaign’s lying press release, which said Jacobs had grabbed Gianforte by the wrist and pulled him down like a terrible trouble-making liberal.

So now we’ll have a brand-new member of Congress who’ll be sworn in while facing a misdemeanor assault charge. At least he promised not to assault any more reporters; we’re not sure whether his orientation to the House will include explicit warnings that reporters actually do stick microphones and recorders in politicians’ faces. It’s something he may have to get used to. Also, in case you were wondering, New York magazine lawsplains there’s nothing to prevent Gianforte from taking office. He may be morally unfit to serve, but legally, he’s in like anyone other than Flynn:

The Constitution says members of the House and Senate must meet three requirements:

  • All members of the House must be at least 25 years old, and members of the Senate must be at least 30 years old.
  • Members of the House must have been a U.S. citizen for at least seven years, and members of the Senate must have been a U.S. citizen for at least nine years.
  • They have to be an “inhabitant” of the state “when elected.”

Also, the piece continues,

Even if Gianforte receives the maximum penalty for misdemeanor assault in Montana, six months in jail, he could still continue serving in Congress. As factcheck.org explains, the Constitution does not say people convicted of crimes are barred from serving […]

Fun history trivia fact: Back in 1798, Matthew Lyon was actually elected to Congress while serving a four-month term for “libeling” President John Adams. Lyons won, and took his seat at the end of his prison sentence; the House mounted an unsuccessful effort to expel him; President Adams somehow managed not to grab Lyon by the neck, throw him to the ground, and punch him a few times.

Not surprisingly, the election is in some corners being seen as a referendum on the propriety of beating up members of the press, who really are asking for it by being all nosy and asking questions that aren’t polite, and sometimes even rude. Also, a whole bunch of people pointed out that in 2014 Jacobs himself had made a joke about punching an annoying 16-year-old at CPAC:

So clearly, actually assaulting reporters is justified now. They started it, after all. Great Pizzagate Journalist and walking conspiracy-theory factory Mike Cernovich — who has White House press credentials — had this well-thought-out justification of violence against reporters — or at least not condemning it, because the left is full of terrorists:

Then there are the big-league supporters of roughing up journos, like Rush Limbaugh, who on his Thursday show rhapsodized over what a studly manly stud Gianforte was, only he used irony, so it doesn’t count as an endorsement, haw haw:

I must join the chorus of people condemning what happened out there. This manly, obviously studly Republican candidate in Montana took the occasion to beat up a pajama-clad journalist, a Pajama Boy journalist out there … And the manly, studly Republican simply didn’t realize that on the big stage you can’t do this kind of stuff and kicked the guy’s ass to the ground. This cannot be accepted. This must be condemned.

Besides, noted the rape apologist and alleged Dominican rentboy aficionado, Jacobs had it coming, since he was an “average Millennial.” Also, have you noticed how the only people who say “studly” are guys who are not, but admire guys who they think are?

From a Christian perspective, the American Family Association’s Sandy Rios said on her radio show Thursday that the whole thing sounded like mere playground antics, and figures Ben Jacobs instigated the whole thing just to get his name in the paper, since obviously a byline on a story about Gianforte’s thoughts on the AFCA’s CBO score simply wasn’t enough for the simpering publicity-hound:

“I’m sure Ben Jacobs is probably delighted about what he caused to happen,” Rios said, adding that Gianforte’s response was understandable given how “aggressive” and “rude” members of the press are.

“Do you have no rights at all to fight back?” she asked, reminiscing about old movies in which the men would constantly “get in fights with each other.”

“I remember when men used to actually settle things between themselves,” she said, “but now, in this culture, if you respond with any kind of anger, that’s a terrible thing.”

“Has something been lost in us becoming maybe over the line in terms of every touch, every glance, every attempt at settling a circumstance is punishable by law?” she wondered, saying the Gianforte/Jacobs altercation “all sounds very grade school playground-y, the kids that go, ‘He hit me.’ That’s what [Jacobs] sounded like to me.”

Besides, this is Jesus Bible America, and in Jesus Bible America, manly men shouldn’t have to put up with reporters whose newspapers have written unkind things about them. Since when did Jesus Bible America become a place where the police get called when there’s an assault?

“There is a natural anger that comes when someone invades your space and abuses their ability to do what it is they’re doing, they’ve gone across a line,” she continued, again lamenting that “we’ve lost some ability to settle things on our own by having this kind of girly-man response and this litigation and calling the police instead of just settling it.”

Boy, if Rios ever hears about that Jesus guy who didn’t even use a gun to mow down his enemies, she’s gonna be pissed at what a girly-man he was. What a wimp!

As of press time, Yr Wonkette has not yet learned whether Gianforte’s rightwing fans have condemned him for his cowardly apology to the sissy millennial journalist; presumably, once the new Montana representative is sworn in, he’ll be presented with a commemorative print of Preston Brooks beating Charles Sumner with a cane:

Endless Sumner

Or maybe not — Brooks was a Southern Democrat, and we know they’re all pro-slavery terrorists to this day, so the message might be a bit mixed.

But let us not lose hope about the state of the national political discourse, which, as the Brooks/Sumner incident illustrates, has sometimes included hotheaded morons (Brooks received witty gifts of canes for the rest of his life, haw-haw). If you want to feel a little better about things, consider this fine photo essay by Amanda Terkel, catching all sorts of politicians in the act of not assaulting journalists at all.

As for slammy-punchy Greg Gianforte, Rob Quist advisor and Montana Democratic consultant Matt McKenna has some thoughts about 2018:

“This is the first day of the end of Greg Gianforte’s political career,” McKenna said. “It may seem like he got away with this because so many people already voted, but they will deny him the prize he really wants which is the governor’s office. He could go to jail. He still has to be arraigned.”

If you find out Mr. McKenna has been getting death threats, please keep it to yourself.

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  • chascates

    Bastards.

  • Nounverb911
    • Thaumaturgist

      It’s not like Gianforte killed a cop.

  • Bill D. Burger

    Whaaaaat’? The filthy Rightie Loons and Republican Cons and Baggers celebrate violence and depravity?

    http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7a5xi7Kp01rufq41o1_500.gif

  • RichardBroderickJr

    If people start doing the same thing to Mr. Gianforte that he does to others, will they get only the slap on the wrist that Mr. Gianforte will get.

    • Vincent Ricola

      If they are rich white males, then yes.

      • RichardBroderickJr

        It would be nice to know in advance just how much it would cost, ….not that one would want to encourage that sort of thing.

  • proudgrampa

    Keepin’ it classy, Montana.

  • Moebym Reborn

    Like I’ve said before, cavemen were more civilized and less brutish than the manly men the Republicans admire.

    And if we keep electing these brutes, we’ll return to the freaking Paleolithic.

  • Chadwells

    This…right here…is why this Gianforte shit is fucking bad. Man fuck all these pricks. Someone give me press credentials and let me get into the mix. I’ll kick the ever loving shit out of Gianforte. And this fucking twat.

    “Texas Governor Greg Abbott Jokes About Shooting Reporters”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/texas-governor-greg-abbott-jokes-about-shooting-reporters_us_59284da3e4b0df57cbfb53c8?ir=Politics&utm_hp_ref=politics

    • TakingAmes

      It’s poor form to beat up a man in a wheelchair. Self defense, on the other hand, should be fairly straightforward.

      • Chadwells

        Mmmmm…someone threatens me with a gun….wheelchair or not…it’s game time.

  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    To everyone who voted for this piece of shit, or put into the public airwaves/twitters/etc your “thoughts” about how wonderful Gianfart is for beating up a reporter: I hate sharing a country with you. You are a small, insignificant, ugly, failed human being. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a872807379352792842650ea33845af648907f5681ad2db76bc3f12de8cca09b.jpg

  • Bill D. Burger

    ot…but just had to ‘share.’ rotfl

    The front page of Germany’s Die Welt national newspaper this morning, titled:
    “Heaven and Hell”.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAwwpPjUwAARUiQ.jpg

    • calliecallie

      Heaven and Hell, for the translation. I googled it.

  • Bill D. Burger
    • therblig

      medical leech libelz!!

      trumpy is more of a liver fluke.

      • vivian

        Lampray!

  • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

    A lying press release? From a Republican? Unpossible.

    And, as I’ve learned from studying “Law & Order: SVU”, this wasn’t Gianforte’s first rodeo. There are certainly other people he punched, slammed, choked and clobbered. Your move, Gloria Allred.

    • Three Finger Salute

      He’s a donk-donk all right.

  • Vincent Ricola

    OT – Hillary Clinton just gave an amazing speech at Wellesley, so of course fuckwad CNN is using it as an opportunity to shit all over her and Democrats. This is how we ended up with Donald fucking Trump as POTUS. Motherfuckers.

    • Moebym Reborn

      Didn’t they get the memo that the election is over?

      • Vincent Ricola

        Nope. They even giggled around about how Hillz must not know the election is over.

        • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

          You know who else doesn’t know the election is over?

        • Moebym Reborn

          Need to suppress urge to get stabby…

          • Vincent Ricola

            Me too. I had to turn them off.

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      The media cannot help with their Clinton addiction.

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      WAIT! CNN covered a speech Hillary Clinton made?! They never did that before. They covered every word uttered, tweeted and phoned in by Little Donnie. And they covered Hillary’s emails, hair, voice, health and clothes. But they never covered anything she said during the campaign. Now that I think about it: Did CNN even know she was running for President?

      • Vincent Ricola

        They covered the whole speech so they could dissect it and classify it as an OMG TOTAL ATTACK OMG on Donald Trump, even though it wasn’t even close to that at all.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson
  • Everrett Fanuelli

    Do not be dismayed. Gianforte is going to be up for re-election in ’18 where he’ll probably win again because Montana is “Big Stupid Country”

    • PubOption

      Dems are making a Montana out of a molehill.

  • Rags

    Gianforte’s magnanimity after the election is cheap hypocrisy

  • disqus_lWwzrwNaw6

    It is galling to realize that Limbaugh has known full well, for the last 30 years and more, that so long as he moves the dark money agenda forward, his own bizarre sexual proclivities will never make it onto a front page or indeed be allowed to do any damage to him personally or professionally.

    Is he hurting and exploiting children in the sex trade? Who knows? I’ve always found it plausible–there’s something beyond skeevy about the man. But he’ll never be outed–not in this lifetime, not as long as he’s reading those Heritage Foundation scripts so enthusiastically. (PS: He’s not the only one. There are a lot of men who work as propagandists, legislators, judges, etc. for the Koch crowd, who have dark little secrets that will be kept safely in the dark, so long as they perform their assigned roles with enthusiasm.)

    The closest he’s ever come to experiencing a real consequence involved his ugly little drug scandal, when–with the help, it must be said, of a scary lot of the mainstream journalists he’s spent his career attacking–a massive PR effort was mounted to make sure he survived to spew another day.

    For all the tough talk about studliness, or whatever (I mean, JESUS, Rush) the fact is that he, like Donald, is the guy who has five of his friends grab the skinny kid, then beats and kicks him into a bloody pulp, all the while full of the creamy, rich, glowing confidence that the kid will not be able to fight back. Then he boasts about how he kicked the shit out of the kid.

    He hides behind an armed guard in a sealed studio, under the protection of his dark money masters. He’s a little shit from the hottest circle of hell, but he’ll never suffer the consequences, not in this life.

    • Skwerl the Impeachanator!
    • Three Finger Salute

      Jesus was studlier than Rash Limburger could ever hope to be. BTW, fuck that pill-popper for pushing the anti-legalization agenda on RWNJ propaganda radio for 30 years and laughing gleefully away as a free man while innocent people rot in filthy jail cells for the noncrime of possessing a plant.

      • disqus_lWwzrwNaw6

        This, a thousand times. One day, the last person ever to be sentenced for simple possession will be released, and the world will have to look back in stunned, silent shame on generations of violence, crammed prisons, the codification of racial malice, millions of lives destroyed, communities shattered, cops and prosecutors hopelessly corrupted, whole nations sucked into violence and criminality for profit, while pink, complacent, “respectable” men profiteered off the legal side of interdiction–all because once upon a time a handful of mostly Republican operatives saw an electoral goldmine in the so-called war on drugs.

        • Three Finger Salute

          And that day will come on… Februember 32, two thousand and eleventy-threeve.

          • disqus_lWwzrwNaw6

            Well,whatever.

          • Three Finger Salute

            In other words, that day of reckoning probably will never come. It’ll just be swept under the rug like everything else the “shining turd on a hill” has done to its own people. Don’t forget, this land was empty when the Pilgrims arrived and claimed it for Jesus.

  • Bill D. Burger

    And a good bookend for Gianforte….also coming to D.C. ___ and he’s quite a snowflake.

    [By ARIEL ZILBER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM and REUTERS
    PUBLISHED: 00:03 EDT, 26 May 2017 | UPDATED: 11:10 EDT, 26 May 2017

    Controversial pro-Trump Sheriff David Clarke ‘ordered his deputies to detain a passenger who spoke to him in a “threatening manner” on a flight from Dallas’

    Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke is being sued by Dan Black, 24

    Black was detained by deputies after a flight he and Clarke took from Dallas
    Clarke texted his deputies from the tarmac, ordering them to stop Black
    Black and Clarke briefly chatted on board American Airlines flight on January 15
    Clarke claims Black stood over him in a ‘physically threatening manner’
    Black was escorted by police to the airport exit and then released
    He is suing Clarke, the county, and the deputies for unlawful arrest

    ‘Follow him to baggage and out the door,’ Clarke texted. ‘You can escort me to carousel after I point him out.’]

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4543888/Sheriff-Clarke-ordered-man-spoke-detained.html

  • I’m increasingly disgusted by my countrymen who seem day to day like nothing more than infantile violent bullies cheering one another on towards greater acts of cruelty and infamy.

    Boy, if Rios ever hears about that Jesus guy who didn’t even use a gun to mow down his enemies, she’s gonna be pissed at what a girly-man he was. What a wimp!

    American Christianity is a sort of Christianity that ignores the prophets and the New Testament and sees itself as Israel in the book of Joshua: cleansing the land of pagans through any means necessary.

    • Three Finger Salute

      They only pretend to worship Jesus. They really worship Mammon. As evidenced by the fact that “In God We Trust” is printed on the currency, and the golden calf sits prominently outside the sacred temple of Wall Street.

  • Skwerl the Impeachanator!
    • TJ Barke

      PUNK ROOOOOCK!

      • Magyar Has Had It With Trump

        But I don’t see a single safety pin. Or a Sex Pistols pin. Poseur at best.

        • TJ Barke

          Sex Pistols were fake punks.

          • Magyar Has Had It With Trump

            YOU TAKE THAT BACK RIGHT NOW, MISTER!!!!!

          • TJ Barke

            Fake punks. Manufactured.

          • Magyar Has Had It With Trump

            So wrong on so many levels. But at least we agree on Rollins. I hope.

          • TJ Barke

            HR? He’s pretty hardcore. Would not want to piss him off.

          • Magyar Has Had It With Trump

            Me either. But I do want to lick him.

  • The link to the Amanda Turkel piece also led me to this on Huffpo:

    “Texas Governor Greg Abbott Jokes About Shooting Reporters”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/texas-governor-greg-abbott-jokes-about-shooting-reporters_us_59284da3e4b0df57cbfb53c8?0sf&ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    Yeah, back when men used to “settle things between themselves”, they also had ways to “settle things” with women who were reluctant to accept their advances. Love to hear how Sally Rios Jesussplains that.

    • janecita

      She would have been OK with it. In her world, women are supposed to be subservient to men.

  • Bozilingus

    “Press conferences of the near future”
    Needs more 2nd Amendment solutions.

    • Magyar Has Had It With Trump

      All journalists need to start packing heat.

      • Celtic_Gnome

        As has been said, if they succeed in doing away with the First Amendment, we’ll have no recourse but to go to the Second.

  • proudgrampa

    Well, the good news is that there is a chance he won’t be in Congress for very long. The off-year election is only about 15-16 months away. Good chance he’ll go down with a whole bunch of of other congressional fuckweasels.

    I know, I’m probably just being an optimist…

    • “M”

      “I know, I’m probably just being an optimist…”

      I think we need those right now.

      • Magyar Has Had It With Trump

        I wish I had it in me to be one.

      • proudgrampa

        Thanks! Sometimes it’s hard to to stay positive…

    • ManchuCandidate

      It’s not like Montana is a hotbed of liberalism. A rookie folksinger without a prominent political local name gave his well known opponent billionaire fuckwit with a major league temper problem a very hard time in a deep red state. And if this had happened before early voters mailed in their ballots then fuckwit would probably have lost.

      Sure it might seem like a victory, but all that RW gloating was the verbalization of a group of assholes changing their underwear in relief. If I’m the GOP then I’m wondering what the fuck I’m going to do when Winter Is Coming in states where the usual margins of victory are in the 1-10% range.

      • proudgrampa

        Excellent analysis, Manchu. If the voters can be bothered to vote and remember this stuff 15 months from now, the GOP has a good chance of getting its butt kicked.

    • janecita

      I’m sorry, but I think that we aren’t going to get crap on 2018. We are screwed!

  • ‘Gofundme’ has raised close to $4,000 to buy Jacobs some new glasses.

    Now he can ALMOST afford a pair of TRUMP: THE GLASSES-THE DELUXE PENCIL-NECKED GEEK EDITION.

  • Magyar Has Had It With Trump

    Doesn’t the Constitution allow for impeachment for “High Crimes and MISDEMEANORS”? Technically, his conviction (which he just totally admitted guilt for; should be a really, really short trial) will be after the election, so I think it applies.

    • ariel_gee_398

      It would require the same missing ingredient required to impeach Trump – the will of the Republican majority.

    • People in the old timey king days called bigamy “petty treason” but they still cut your head clean off for it.

      • Magyar Has Had It With Trump

        I think we might want to do back to those days

  • Three Finger Salute

    This is actually scary. Know what kind of places get away with beating up journalists? Turkey, Russia, Saudi Arabia… Oh, that’s right. Our “allies.” Our enemies are those sissy countries like Canada, Australia and “Eurabia” (which probably wouldn’t have the sheer mass of refugees fleeing total destruction of their homelands, if the U.S. and Israel hadn’t caused it in the first place).

    We have once more entered the era of unaccountable strongmen. The Fourth Reich is upon us. The end is near.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    For anyone who is disheartened by this, from the Daily Kos daily election email (which is why no link):

    As we said at the outset when Daily Kos first endorsed Rob Quist, this was always going to be a very difficult contest to win. But it’s no accident that Trump (or Steve Bannon) chose congressmen from historically Republican districts for his cabinet—they weren’t going to give Democrats any easy pickup opportunities.

    Fortunately for Democrats, Trump did screw up at least one appointment, since Georgia’s traditionally dark red 6th District has turned into a very competitive race. But even more importantly, the playing field for next year’s midterms is much more favorable for Team Blue than it’s been in the handful of special elections that have taken place this year.

    And in addition to sending grassroots enthusiasm through the roof, Trump has also inspired huge numbers of Democratic candidates to jump into House races across the country. We’ve been analyzing elections for a long time, and we haven’t seen recruitment like this in a decade—when Democrats were in the midst of enjoying two successive wave elections. Republicans might be breathing a sigh of relief that their morally reprehensible candidate won on Thursday night, but they should still be worried about 2018.

    As for Gianforte, he still has to appear in court by June 7. Depending on the outcome of his legal proceedings, he could yet find himself vulnerable next year, whether in a primary or a general election.

    tl;dr:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cdc0abb36cbaf0f3a946166eb5e3e5c3e6c0d871e73cd2622cf3061e67ce867c.png

  • TJ Barke

    Does it count as self defense to just shoot republicans yet? (with votes… I don’t believe it in my heart)

  • ariel_gee_398

    I gotta say, I think I’d put my money on Albright in a Gianforte v. Albright cagematch:
    https://twitter.com/madeleine/status/867866760061612032

    • cmd resistor

      RBG has a pretty intense training regiment, also, too.

      • ariel_gee_398

        Did you watch that video of some young reporter going through her workout with her trainer? She’s in good hands, I feel.

        • cmd resistor

          Yes! I’m sure she is in better shape than I have ever been. This is a good thing. I bet she could take that Gianforte guy.

  • UnsaltedSinner
    • TJ Barke

      Because it’s absolutely not about freedom of speech, it’s about obedience.

      • Three Finger Salute

        And it’s about people with epidermal hyperpigmentation being uppity.

      • NastyBossetti

        Exactly this.

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      You are only allowed to protest against “bad people”.
      Anyone who is not a Republican is a “bad person”.

    • cmd resistor

      So this Clark guy says you shouldn’t be offended if someone looks at you wrong but he can?
      And Jack Kingston is lucky he hasn’t caused the breakage of my TV screen for the times he’s said something so stupid.

  • La forza del resistino

    Early voter asked if she’d have changed her vote following the assault. She says ‘No, at least he is a businessman’. Yeesh and a hearty FFS.

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      Quite a few voters CNN talked either boiled it down to “the press is biased anyway” to “the reporter deserved it” to “So what?” A couple even made dark humorous chuckles about how the CNN reporters should watch their steps.

    • What the fuck is that? What is so magical about businessmen that makes them supposedly qualified to be politicians? We don’t just insert random businessmen any other profession.

      “Hey, you seem sick. Better go to a doctor” “No, take me to a businessman! They’re the best healers.” “Your house appears to be on fire. Better call the firefighters” “No, a businessman is the best person to put out fires!” “Hey, honey, want me to call a babysitter for date night?” “No, clearly the best person to watch our kids is a businessman. Call that casino owner and steak salesman with the weird hair.”

      • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

        Because they have swallowed the tripe that anyone who knows how to read a balance sheet can handle the nuances of policy. “Hey, he ran a billion-dollar empire! He can certainly run a country!”
        Yeah, except in business you can fire people on a whim, close unproductive entities, or change the focus of your company when necessary. You can’t shut down the state of Kentucky for being a money-loser.

        • It’s just so illogical. Lots of businessmen aren’t even good at business (see the current White House occupant) but even if they are, it’s not some kind of guarantee that those skills will translate to government. Government is not business.

          • Celtic_Gnome

            It seems like mos CEOs are morons with staff that spend their time doing what’s necessary to keep the company going and then convincing the CEO it was actually his idea.

  • Skwerl the Impeachanator!

    “I remember when men used to actually settle things between themselves,” she said, “but now, in this culture, if you respond with any kind of anger, that’s a terrible thing.”

    Really, in what alternate reality was that?

    https://oracleoffilm.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/mad-max-beyond-thunderdome.jpg

    • TJ Barke

      Anger? That wasn’t anger, it was assault.

      • Skwerl the Impeachanator!

        Apparently it was a better time back then. More Jesusy.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      What is he suggesting we do if we are angry with him?

      • Skwerl the Impeachanator!

        We should sit and be quiet and let him lecture us on what horrible people we are.

    • Crank Tango

      Yeah I don’t really remember politicians assaulting reporters tho. Sean Penn, sure.

  • calliecallie

    I think I need to get a new country. This old one’s starting to smell.

  • Carpe Vagenda

    Interesting. Because you know who else Sandy Rios thinks is rude? (Rabbi Eckstein is a big noise in the place where jewish/evangelical circles meet):

    Eckstein nodded. He says he is certain that evangelical Christians want nothing more than to bless Israel, and he is frustrated by his continuing inability to get his fellow Jews to practice what he calls the Four A’s: Awareness that evangelicals are helping Israel; Acknowledgment of that help; Appreciation; and Attitude Change. There has been progress on the first two, and No. 3 is coming along, but attitude change remains elusive. “I want more than a tactical alliance,” Eckstein said. “I’m looking for genuine fellowship. And the Jewish community is nowhere near that.”

    Bauer’s analysis of the problem is political. “A lot of this is hostility from Jews who just can’t stand conservatives,” he said. “It trumps even their support for Israel.”

    “Jews tend to demonize evangelicals,” Eckstein said sadly.

    “And not the other way around?” I asked.

    Eckstein shrugged. “Not really. No.”

    Throughout this conversation, Rios was clearly eager to join in. And as soon as there was a pause in the discussion, she did. “You know,” she said, “the truth is, Christians do want to convert Jews.”

    Eckstein and Mamo exchanged glances. “Not by some bait-and-switch trick,” she said. “But we believe it’s part of God’s plan.” Eckstein winced the way he had when Pastor Munsey called him a born-again Christian.

    “Anyway,” Rios said, “we love Jews, notwithstanding their rudeness and hatred for us.”

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      It’s all fun and games until that Rapture comes around and some Jew loses an eye.

    • HazooToo

      Who the fuck even IS this woman?

      • Carpe Vagenda

        Evangelical nutjob. Talk show host, former head of one of those Ladies Against Women groups. Eckstein was her boss.

        • HazooToo

          Oh. So basically, an asshole.

    • “we love Jews, notwithstanding their rudeness and hatred for us.”

      Jesus was so RUDE to Religious hypocrites. The nerve! 😙

      • Carpe Vagenda

        Sandy, of course, said she was totally lied on about that, so I guess you can’t trust the two jewish people in the room.

  • Carpe Vagenda
    • Three Finger Salute

      So much for French surrender, eh?

      https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2017/02/13/13-trump-trudeau-1.nocrop.w710.h2147483647.jpg

      In the clearing stands a boxer and a fighter by his trade…

      • Carpe Vagenda

        Oh, one of those two was definitely the winner of the chin lottery.

        • Three Finger Salute

          You can just see the “Fuck you, stay away from Sophie or I’ll kick your ass” expression on Justin’s face. I mean “fuddle duddle.”

        • BadKitty904

          Well, Trump does have more chins than Trudeau…

  • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

    I wonder if steel helmets, flak jackets, and protective cups are going to be mandatory press gear.

  • Mavenmaven

    One can’t actually kick Rush Limbaugh’s a** to the ground, as weeble wobble but they don’t fall down.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Also, you don’t want to cause a 9.8 on the Richter scale.

    • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

      You don’t want to kick Rush in the ass, unless you want to lose your shoe.

  • zagnutz2

    Yay! Just what Murica needs, moar violence!

  • Mr. Blobfish

    I apologize if I offended body slammed anyone.

    • Three Finger Salute

      What do you expect when we have a fucking WWE personality in the highest office of the land. I wouldn’t mind the Rock stealing votes away from the GOP as an independent candidate (although it always seems independents suck air from the Democrats), but please, after two terms of Jesse Ventura and then a Hulk Hogan run in the early 2000s, can we say enough of the pro wrestlers (and wannabe wrestlers) in political office already? 2016 was the year Idiocracy became a documentary. Donald Hector Macho Camacho Mountain Dew (or Orange Fanta) Trump.

      • Mr. Blobfish

        Can you imagine if Oprah runs as a Democrat in 2020?

        • Three Finger Salute

          It’d be a helluva table turn, that’s for sure, because Trump told Larry King that if he did ever run for office he’d have Oprah as his VP. I’m tired of celebrities though. Are our politicians so ineffectual and/or senile, that we’ve run out of real leaders and are resorting to talk show hosts and game show hosts instead?

          Oprah/Kanye ticket, Affleck/Damon ticket, Clooney/Jolie ticket, Fey/Poehler ticket, Norris/Seagal ticket… They need to go back to making movies and stay away from D.C. This isn’t American Idol or a movie set. This is the most powerful country in the world with command of a nuclear arsenal. When Moscow detonates a nuke over New York, it won’t be CGI from Michael Bay and it won’t be Harrison Ford coming to save the world.

          Hollywood is in part responsible for this Springerfication of the American electorate. You could easily imagine “Jer-RY! Jer-RY! Jer-RY!” being shouted at every Trump rally. Social media is at fault too, as even the founder of Twitter admitted this past week. If we’re going to have non-politicians running for office, let it be people from the everyday walks of life, like teachers, nurses, and firefighters, instead of lawyers and CEOs. I’m not voting for Mark Zuckerberg either. He needs to be given a timeout so he can go crawl back to his Harvard dorm and think about the damage he’s done.

  • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

    Let us all suppose that, one year ago, Hillary Clinton had slapped the face of an obnoxious prick from Fox News for “aggressively” grilling her about her emails or Benghazi. I think we can safely assume that the reaction from fucking assholes like Limbaugh et al would have been considerably different.

    Here’s the thing. Assaulting a reporter – even if he is being rude and pushy, which I do not concede Jacobs was – is completely beyond the pale. Doesn’t matter what your party affiliation is, doesn’t matter the circumstances. It’s wrong. Making light of it is wrong. Joking about it is wrong. Excusing it is wrong. And seating someone who has done it (and has admitted he has done it) in the House of Representatives is wrong. Full stop, no caveats, no explanations, NO exceptions. Wrong. Period.

    • C4TWOMAN

      What’s equally disturbing is what the people excusing the attack are implying: they really don’t believe in a free press, and by extension, the institutions of accountability we associate with democracy.

      • (((fka_donnie_d)))

        Dude, seriously? You are SHOCKED?

        Let’s recap my Broader Definition of Hate Speech (cause everybody here hasn’t gotten completely sick of it yet). Anybody who’s been bullied can tell you that most (all) bullies (who are cowards) talk themselves up to it for a good long time before beating on you. And they generally like to have their friends validate them for good measure.

        • C4TWOMAN

          Did I write shocked? I can’t actually tell because all I see is my abbreviated comment in this feed. However I don’t recall writing something quite that dramatic….

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    • cmd resistor

      Let’s not forget General Kelly the DHS guy making the funny joke when the Coast Guard presented Trump with a sword at their commencement – about how Trump could use it on the press. Supposedly he didn’t know the mike was on. Going back to Trump having his rabid crowds scream insults at the roped-off press at all his rallies, no big surprise these idiots think this is acceptable.

    • coozledad

      They’re all whiny puddles of lard, who’ve proven they only deserve contempt. It’s not a political party, it’s a disease, and it needs to be hosed the fuck down.

    • (((fka_donnie_d)))

      You forget. We elected Trump. Nothing is beyond the pale anymore.

      • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

        Yeah, I know. It’s the new normal, and America is fucked.

    • Blackest Noobs

      It is wrong with a capital W but there is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that prevents an elected person from serving office if they have committed a crime.

      not excusing it just saying as ethically and morally wrong it is….there is nothing in the law to prevent it.

  • Shoto

    “I should not have responded in the way that I did, and for that I’m sorry,”

    Obligatory bullshit statement which Gianforte hopes to wave in front of a judge at some point. Pfffft.

    • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

      “I’m sorry that there were witnesses. And that audio tape…BOY, I’m sorry about that…”

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      Yup. This is an attempt to show remorse so the judge will just fine him a paltry sum and close the case.

      • snark-lurker

        Suspend that sentence!

    • UnsaltedSinner

      Too bad he already issued a statement claiming the reporter attacked him.

  • eyelashviper

    OT, but finally, an explanation for Melania’s attire..

    http://i.imgur.com/ktNeX2w.jpg

  • Lance Thrustwell

    Once a candidate, or a House member, or, hell, anyone – actually assaults you, you’re allowed to defend yourself, right? I mean, I don’t think there’s a law that says you have to stand there quietly and let someone hit you.

    I know what I would do if Gianforte tried to body-slam me. Just sayin’.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Animal Farm is a legally-binding text now isn’t it? The First and Holiest Commandment: Some corporate people and their store-bought congresscritters are more equal than others.

    • h4rr4r

      Montana has a stand your ground law, and legal concealed carry for residents on a permit basis.

      The above are only facts, do with them as you wish.

  • Chadwells

    Since Gianforte is such a bible thumping fuckwit….an “eye for an eye” should be the new media mantra for interviewing him. Start hitting the gym, journalists…and fight back. Since it’s in the bible….he should be ok with it, right?

  • TJ Barke

    What left terrorism? Does he mean the elaborate vandalism/arson/physical obstructionism of extreme environmentalists? Cuz apart from the unabomber (who wasn’t leftist) they didn’t kill anyone.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      the unabomber struck me as more libertarian neoluddite, which would be far from left wing. And despite what the Heritage Foundation says, believing in climate science doesn’t necessarily make you a liberal.

      • TJ Barke

        Kaczynski wrote an essay explicitly against leftism.

        • Three Finger Salute

          The first part was about, I think, what today is called “Identity Politics” or something to that effect, that supposedly discounted or discredited labor and what he later led into about “technological slavery.” I take it he was similar to a Bernie liberal who saw women’s lib, gay rights, etc., as a mere “social distraction” that divided people among their differences rather than brought them together on commonalities about fighting against “the establishment” (and got in the way of teaching math)?

          Intersectionality wasn’t really a thing in the ’70s or at least they didn’t call it that. I mean, with feminism the wage scale has to do with labor, and of course the history of black slavery has to do with labor, and women not being able to buy houses without a husband’s signature has to do with labor, women not being able to stand on their own two feet fleeing an abusive relationship has to do with labor… I dunno, that part never quite made perfect sense to me. I can kind of see where he’s going with it, and I may not agree, but he does tend to ramble a bit.

          The technology part is eerily prescient though. I mean, the guy pretty much foresaw Facebook (another Harvard creation, hmm…) and the mass surveillance state, and he was a victim of one of those wacko CIA programs that was similar to the Milgram Experiment (MK Ultra, part of Operation Paperclip when the US brought actual Nazis over here to work on secret programs and learn from what they did). It’s too bad he turned to the sword (or mail bomb) instead of the pen. The CIA created Frankenstein’s monster and he turned on them. I kinda feel bad for him for just that reason. What he did was awful, but he was a pawn in a much greater scheme. A lab rat.

          • C4TWOMAN

            I have similar thoughts about Christopher Dorner–the ex-cop who was slandered and railroaded by the racist LAPD. His response: to wage a take no prisoners war one them. Of course we know how it ended–shot dead as a terrorist and little more than a footnote in history.

            I look at that and think, DUDE! Since you were going to blow the country anyway and felt you had no future here, why not instead, close all your accounts, liquidate assets, move to Mexico and dump all your info on the corrupt department on the Interwebs while sipping margaritas?(I have a copy of the pre -redacted manifesto that had some of the dirt. Imagine how much more info he had. The LAPD might have been forced to reform or dissolve. As it was, they did the minimum for damage control).

            There’s an analysis somewhere of how toxic macho culture makes it hard for guys who have been legitimately outraged to think clearly enough about what really works to get revenge.

            Terrorist shooting spree? NO.
            Leave country and release all docs on Internet? YES.

          • Three Finger Salute

            He most likely also had brain damage and PTSD from being in the war. Part of his manifesto mentions brain records at Kaiser Permanente Medical Center in L.A. He was trying to send a message but did it the wrong way.

            Kaczynski, however, not only “flourished” (if you can call it that) well before the Internet, but probably would have felt like a hypocrite violating his moral code for blogging about “technological slavery.” IIRC the reason he went berserk is because developers were tearing down his personal Walden to build a Wal-Mart, and he felt nature was being destroyed by machinery for the pursuit of profit. He blamed the left for not being sufficiently against mechanical capitalism, but instead embracing it and getting swallowed by it as a result.

            In a way, he’s right. Occupy Wall Street was spread around on Facebook by kids using iPhones. Silicon Valley votes for the “right party” (Peter Thiel is an outlier), and says all the right buzzwords about “diversity and feminism,” so it doesn’t seem like anyone really wants to take them down or hold them accountable. Nobody cares what they’re doing to poor people in SF, or that the monolithic cancer that is Facebook has spread all over the world, as long as they can get their cat video fix and engage in “clicktivism” without actually having to mobilize and organize.

            Besides actually getting out into meatspace, if we’re still going to have the Internet as a necessary evil, a decentralized/open-source Internet extricated from corporate control might be better. But it needs a PR fix and a reformation, and badly — right now the predominant faction in that domain are ubergeek Linux-libertarian techbros who don’t want the “SJWs” invading their “safe space” and “culturally appropriating” of “their” technology (Bitcoins, VPNs, etc.)., for things like organizing and privacy protection of rape victims and whistleblowers against police brutality. There is a “hardcoded” rule that “there are no women on the Internet,” and they want it to stay that way. As long as 4chan exists, Girlchan cannot.

          • C4TWOMAN

            Agree with everything here:
            IIRC the reason he went berserk is because developers were tearing down his personal Walden

            I remember that too. It’s what makes me very sympathetic–I have a strong connection to nature-hell–when all the plants in the front garden had to be dug up while the new heating system was installed, it felt like a physical wound inside…and they weren’t destroyed, just in pots to be put back!

            I fault him mainly for his lack of targeting–FFS dude, target people responsible, not just anyone who happens to pick up the package. Or restrict you rage to property like the Weatherman.

            But yeah, I get it. Don’t agree with what he did, but I get it.

          • Three Finger Salute

            That’s what I don’t get about the terrorist attacks and why the cynic in me thinks that they might be pawns in something greater too. Most of the concertgoers in Manchester were CHILDREN. They weren’t even alive when 9/11 happened and Shrub restarted daddy’s PNAC petroleum war. Why target them? Why kill innocent clubgoers at a discotheque in Orlando? Why blow the limbs off marathon runners? Why not go after the ones who really deserve it, if you’re going to go after anybody at all?

            The people have no say in the matter. Our votes don’t really matter. It’s these shadowy organizations like PNAC and AIPAC and corporate lobbyists who benefit from perpetual war who are directing the agenda. So why harm kids? Why harm everyday civilians instead of the government and their corporate masters?

          • C4TWOMAN

            The question is , Who benefits? So far it seems a coalition of far right conspiracy propaganda mills and the pals in politics.

            I had these thoughts all during the IRA bombings. Cuz donchta know, stopping Irish terrorist activity took back seat to protecting MI5 assets, even if that meant the terrorist attack “must go on”:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stakeknife

            I’m not sure I’d throw AIPAC in that mix tho. There’s really nothing shadowing about them, or even PNAC. That’s pretty up front organizations.

            OTOH The Mercers, they act shadowy. Hell, the official Libertarian Party is at least as shady, in that they pretend to be one thing, but are a front for neo-confederate, anti-semite bs….

      • Michael Smith

        The Heritage Foundations says that believing in anything other than the Heritage Foundation makes you a liberal.

    • h4rr4r

      Weather Underground, Symbionese Liberation Army, uh that is about it in the USA.

      • TJ Barke

        Except that was decades ago. Nothing like that happened during Obama’s administration.

        • h4rr4r

          Of course. However as the owner of a time machine he should have done something about them.

        • therblig

          well, he did make the Kiss Army same-sex accepting

      • Michael Smith

        If today’s right came across a group like the Weather Underground they would probably call for the use of tactical nukes. And if they think Black Lives Matter is terrifying, I can’t even imagine how they would respond to the Black Panthers.

        • h4rr4r

          Fun fact that you already know but I always feel compelled to share at this point; The Black Panthers open carry was why Governor Reagan signed one of the first modern gun control laws. Governor Reagan then commented about the Mulford act that he saw “no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons”

          • Michael Smith

            Yes, that story cannot be told enough. It basically sums up everything you need to know about Republican philosophy in one anecdote.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      By “leftwing terrorism” I think they mean people who ask uncomfortable questions.

      • C4TWOMAN

        And act all journalisticly.

      • About Russian Index Funds.

    • Michael Smith

      Well, guests on Fox News emphatically state that black lives matter is a terrorist organization so often that they take it as a given. Also, they think that left wing thugs show up to right wing speeches (Milo and Ann Coulter at Berkeley) in order to “silence conservatives,” because, again their “anti-media” media outlets tell them so.

      They imagine that they are meeting force with force, but they are really just being oppressors. And, like the brownshirts of old, they are heavily propagandized tools in the hands of people like Trump.

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      Don’t be disingenuous. I know you’re a New Black Panther. You’re not fooling me.

      • TJ Barke

        You got me…

    • aureolaborealis

      Hey, my sterling representative’s first impulse on 9/11 was to blame it on eco-terrorists.

      • TJ Barke

        Your rep was fucking stupid.

        • aureolaborealis

          Don Young was stupid?

          • TJ Barke

            Okay, is stupid, then.

    • BlissfulScribbler

      You can get away with a lot of mis-characterization if your audience barely ever leaves their homes.

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    “… if anyone was offended.”

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Ben’s glasses? They haven’t been the same ever since.

  • Carpe Vagenda

    Apologies to the Trubama folks, but there’s a new OTP in town.

    https://twitter.com/tara_mulholland/status/868037589659525120

    • BadKitty904
      • Carpe Vagenda

        I say they cut to the chase and order orzo.

        • I’m pretty sure Trump ordered that Strozzapreti (“Priest Choker”) pasta at the Vatican.

    • C4TWOMAN

      Woof woof!

    • QHarp, Mujer malévola

      Sigh. I bet they talked so much French to each other.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Mon amour :D

    • paxpax

      swoon

    • Claire

      There is so much hilarity in the comments.

  • Chadwells

    OT: Just in case you haven’t seen this yet….

    “Clinton slams Trump during speech at Wellesley College”

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/clinton-trumps-presidency-end-impeachment-47664160

  • jesterpunk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs

    Its even easier now, republican voters somehow elect them.

  • Persistent Demme

    Hopeful words from swingleft.org:

    Hey Swing Left,

    “Last night in Montana, Democrat Rob Quist nearly pulled off the unthinkable. He came just 6% shy of flipping our first House seat in one of the deepest-red districts in the country.

    If you listen to talking heads on cable news shows today, you’d think this was a devastating loss for Democrats.

    It’s actually the opposite: The results in Montana are maybe the best indication yet that the resistance is working.

    In any other year, Democrats have zero business competing in Montana’s at-large House district. There are over 100 Republican-held House districts that are more Democratic than this one.

    Don’t get me wrong—I would have loved to have pulled off an upset last night.

    But think about this: If we can come within 6% there, the GOP is in for a world of hurt when it comes to November 2018. We don’t need to win 120 seats to win back the House—we need 24.

    This is working, and people to need to hear that message loud and clear today. Share it on Facebook. And tweet about it.

    Next up: We’re going to do everything we can to help elect Jon Ossoff in GA-06 in a few weeks.”

    Ethan Todras-Whitehill
    Co-Founder and Executive Director, Swing Left

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      Bingo – this was a tough one. But any Republican should have blown the doors off of a Democratic challenger in Montana. The fact that time, resources and money (all finite things) had to be spent to prop up a Republican in a blood-red district is the canary in the coal mine for Republicans.
      Any Republican seat that isn’t deep crimson is vulnerable. And the NRCC and RNC cannot defend them all.

  • JohnBull

    Rush Limbaugh seems to spend lots of time thinking about what makes a man studly.

    • UnsaltedSinner

      Time to fill another suitcase with Viagra and head for the Dominican Republic, Rush.

    • Three Finger Salute

      You lost me at “Rush Limbaugh seems to spend lots of time thinking.”

  • BadKitty904

    This will simply spur the Republican Party’s ongoing assault on American liberty. The old military maxim is:

    If you want to defeat your enemy, you don’t take away their courage. You take away their hope.

  • Michael Smith

    For people who claim to be right about everything, conservatives seem to have very little faith in their intellectual abilities.

  • C4TWOMAN


    Sandy Rios said on her radio show Thursday that the whole thing sounded like mere playground antics

    As someone pointed out when we were exchanging junior high school punching stories yesterday, we would kinda like our elected public officials to NOT act like junior high school students.

    Rios is a partisan loon.

    • BadKitty904

      I suspect if Rios had been the one that Gianforte had decked, her take might differ.

  • Toomush_Inferesistance

    Pissant….

  • Carpe Vagenda
    • BadKitty904

      *koff* Syphilis-related dementia… *koff*

      • UnsaltedSinner

        Trump’s personal Vietnam coming back to haunt him?

        • BadKitty904

          “Weaponized hookers”…

          • therblig

            if this takes him down, one of them should get the presidential medal of freedom.

            and penicillin for life.

          • BadKitty904

            Amen. “Savior of the Nation”…

    • jesterpunk
  • Ricky Gay

    What have we learned? If you break laws, you can serve but not vote. (See white exclusion) And Jesus meant ‘turn the other guy’s cheek’ – got it.

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    New platitudes for the Trump era:

    Violence Is Golden
    There’s No Place Like Harm

    • BadKitty904

      It’s Not Fascism When We Do It.

    • therblig

      Big Brother is Punching You

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Bigotry is Tolerance.
      Forest Rape is Stewardship.
      Tax grabs for Billionaires is Standing up for our Grandchildren.

      • therblig

        Denying pre-existing conditions makes us all healthier.

        • Three Finger Salute

          Saudi Arabia is our ally.

          Canada is our sworn enemy.

  • BadKitty904
  • UnsaltedSinner

    If you want some fun, try to imagine how Fox News et al. would cover the Gianforte story if he was blah.

    • snark-lurker

      …AND a Democrat.

    • jesterpunk

      Something something culture something something violent liberals.

      • An Outhouse for the Resistance

        thugs.

    • snark-lurker

      And one would say, “We can only hope that some patriots don’t take the law into their own hands and lynch…uh that’s not the word I meant…uh…um ah…” (end fictional quote)

    • Elvis Causticfellow

      If he was a black wingnut I think they’d be OK with it. I assume they have no problems with the violence-prone David Clarke or Allen West.

    • NastyBossetti

      “The rule of law under President Trump, as witnessed by the assault on a free press in Montana, is slowly being eroded”

      Slowly? He’s been in office for only 4 months.

  • greyXstar

    Wait, wait, wait.

    Hang on.

    Rush is still alive??

    • TJ Barke

      Technically. His brain died years ago.

      • Three Finger Salute

        He never had one to begin with. It’s a Chinese knockoff of an Apple III, running that accidentally racist chatbot that Microsoft unleashed on Twitter.

        • jesterpunk

          That chatbot is why we cant have nice things. Racists ruined it really fast.

          • Three Finger Salute

            4chan strikes again. Those fuckers are a waste of bandwidth who should be run off the Internet. Their most famous “prank” was hacking the website of the Epilepsy Foundation and replacing the homepage with a clip from the seizure-inducing episode of Pokemon that got banned because it sent hundreds of kids in Japan to the hospital. I don’t doubt the asshole who did the same thing to Eichenwald got the idea from them. Maybe he even “lurked” there.

      • greyXstar

        It’s just not fair. So many awesome people are gone and the actual scum of the earth are still around. And in control of the country.

  • OT: I see that TV news people still enjoy telling Hillary to shut up and go away when she speaks.

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      It’s like heroin to them – they just can’t give up the smack, man…

  • Carpe Vagenda
  • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance
  • Msgr_MΩment

    Ah, Preston Brooks.

    Welcome to the club, Greg.

  • Resistance Fighter Astraea
    • UnsaltedSinner

      Funny how James Comey’s terribly difficult dilemmas always end up with him choosing the path that hurts Hillary most.

      • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

        Yeah, ain’t that some coincidence?

        • UnsaltedSinner

          Comey always feels mildly nauseous when he drives a knife into some Democrat’s back, because he’s a good guy, really.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      My sight actually went dim for a second when I read that.

    • Claire

      And of course he still thinks he did the right thing, because Hillary’s not in office and he hates her and clearly that is what’s important.

      Fuck him. i’m too angry to even joke about this. He helped destroy this country.

  • Carpe Vagenda
    • therblig

      do white republican voters in georgia actually want minorities to succeed?

      • Three Finger Salute

        Is the pope Buddhist?

      • TJ Barke

        Succeed insofar as they act subservient and keep to themselves counts as success.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        My feeling is that people who wish you well don’t go to extraordinary lengths to disenfranchise you.

    • Three Finger Salute

      OMG, that’s Ossoff’s opponent?!? That horrid woman looks like a cross between the Cabbage Patch dolls and something from Vincent Price’s House of Wax. I don’t think that’s just thick mascara. Those are black, soulless eyes in them there Stepford killbots.

  • cats530

    “Gianforte said “I made a mistake,” a supporter in the crowd shouted “Not in our minds!”

    The ugliness of the Tea Party voter rears it’s ugly head once again.

  • BloviateMe
    • Three Finger Salute

      There’s a CIA file on Mister Rogers, because his fervent defense of PBS caused the goobs to think he was a covert spy for the Soviets.

    • UnsaltedSinner

      Fortunately, kids today have Game of Thrones.

    • JohnBull

      Luckily we have Donald Trump to play Mr. McFeely.

  • coozledad

    I would advise journalist to travel in pairs, always film and one should carry a police flashlight.

    It won’t change the fascist dynamic, but we’ll get to hear Republicans whine about their mistreatment more. Trump’s about to ease sanctions on Russia. We’re not even a full fledged fascist state. We’re a fascist satrapy.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Tangerine Nightmare wants to ease sanctions on Russia but punish the EU and Canada for “outsmarting our politicians.” Yeah, that makes perfect sense, said no one, ever.

    • Longstreet63

      Body cameras: not just for cops any more.

  • Zippy W Pinhead
    • Three Finger Salute

      I thought Abbott was supposed to be the serious one. Costello was the clown.

    • TJ Barke

      Will it count as self defense to just shoot republicans soon? Cuz this shit is getting unbelievable.

    • jesterpunk

      Isnt that a threat? Shouldnt someone lock him up and take away his guns for that?

    • SpideySenser

      WOW! Time for the FBI to pay Gov Abbott a little visit. Might I also suggest a tourism boycott of TX.

    • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

      Fuck Greg Abbott. In fact, fuck every subhuman fucking asshole with an (R) next to his name, and the stupid, ignorant, mean-spirited trash who vote for them.

  • jesterpunk
    • Finally, a plan!

      • Three Finger Salute

        Yeah, it’s almost like a Final Solution for the poor people problem or something.

    • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

      A flawless plan!

    • Oblios_Cap

      Profit!

  • SnarkON

    Dear Ben Jacobs, please sue the shit out of this thug in civil court. Love, SnarkON.

    • An Outhouse for the Resistance

      Better yet, his employer should. The dude was doing a job.

      • WotsAllThisThen

        1st Amendment violations, also too. He was curtailing the Guardian’s rights in an official capacity.

        • Three Finger Salute

          I’m sure some shrewd conjob lawyer would argue that since the Guardian is a British newspaper, they don’t have any First Amendment rights, because the Constitution doesn’t exist in England.

      • SnarkON

        Why not both?

  • Everrett Fanuelli
    • UnsaltedSinner

      The flaw in that plan: That one app is Twitter.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Maybe if Twitter released an app that you could locally host your own Twitter (like WordPress does) you could put it on Trump’s phone instead, and his tweets would be archived on a computer but wouldn’t get released into the wild. He wouldn’t know any better anyway.

  • Jenny

    Red state republican wins red state. Not sure why the pundits are surprised.

    Maybe it was the crowd I was forced to be around with the ex, but I am not surprised by why the Montana puckered buttholes would vote for Giantfart over someone like Quist. There are a lot of rich transplant businessmen in Bozeman, Helena, Great Falls, Kalispell and parts of Missoula playing gentleman rancher and farmers.

  • NastyBossetti

    “I’m sure Ben Jacobs is probably delighted about what he caused to happen.”
    I saw him on tv last night, and he did not seem delighted at all. Shaken is the word I would use. I don’t know the guy, so maybe that is just how he is but from his demeanor and what he said, he was shocked at what happened and very uncomfortable with becoming the subject of a news story rather than the writer.

    • MamaBrown

      “Baby, why do you make me hit you?”

    • canes_pugnaces

      I know he won’t but he should sue.

      • NastyBossetti

        Yep. But I totally get why he wouldn’t.

  • MynameisBlarney
  • aureolaborealis

    Apropos of nothing at all in our new American reality: Hasn’t Richard Spencer claimed to be a journalist? Asking for a friend.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Milo Hitlerpotamus says he’s a “journalist.” Mike Sonovabitch says he’s a “journalist.” Ezra Pissant says he’s a “journalist.” The fucking idiots on Reddit who thought they nabbed the Boston bomber but instead identified a dead college student from India consider themselves “journalists.” One of the saddest caveats of the “democratization” (or “anarchization”) of the Internet is that any armchair hack with a broadband connection and a WordPress or YouTube account can call themselves a “journalist” nowadays. Basically all it means now is someone who rants and raves in a journal, regardless of the factuality of whatever it is they’re ranting and raving about. 12-year-olds doodling in notebooks about their celebrity crushes are probably more coherent “journalists” than these no-talent, attention-seeking, tabloid shills.

  • An Outhouse for the Resistance

    ““I made a mistake,” a supporter in the crowd shouted “Not in our minds!”

    What fine upstanding examples of Christianity. Who would Jesus body slam?

    • jesterpunk

      Remember when Jesus said to beat the shit out of anyone who asks you a question you dont like?

  • jesterpunk

    Its bad when a parody account cant even make a joke about something without republicans doing it.

    https://twitter.com/TeaPartyCat/status/867487859942592513

  • Jgb979

    Cold comfort:

    It’s still a 13 point five month shift in a bright red (caveat-Montana red being different than Alabama red) district, based on nothing but Trumps complete and utter incompetence during his honeymoon period.

    They haven’t even broken the economy yet (wait till october). I will be pissed if Ossoff doesn’t pull it out though in June

    • Three Finger Salute

      Never underestimate the stupidity of the average American voter (or the capacity for power-mad goopers to gerrymander). Sam “I Broke The Economy But Once Again I’m Back” Brownshirt keeps winning elections, doesn’t he?

      • WotsAllThisThen

        “Those obstructionist democrats took away your healthcare and crashed the economy! And the world is laughing at you!”

        • Three Finger Salute

          “oh, Toto… we’re not in Kansas anymore… Wait, we are? FUCK!”

      • Shanzgood

        He almost didn’t last time against Paul Davis and he can’t run again.

        • Three Finger Salute

          Well, he’s left a lasting legacy that’ll take decades to clean up. The man is a walking Chernobyl disaster.

  • Apple Scruff

    Also, in case you were wondering, New York magazine lawsplains there’s nothing to prevent Gianforte from taking office. He may be morally unfit to serve, but legally, he’s in like anyone other than Flynn

    And yet, if you are an ex-con, you can’t vote.

  • UnsaltedSinner

    When you voted for the pizza, but somehow the rotten fish became president.

    https://twitter.com/dariansymone/status/868121666962038784

    • therblig

      i respect the decision to not get into a discussion of the electoral college with this little girl. i would not want my head handed to me.

    • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

      That little girl is adorable.

  • weejee

    What follows is what really frosts Mrs. weejee. Do the leaders of the D’Rats have even a remote clue of how to find their collective ass with both freakin’ hand?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d2149237dd64cb576e607dd051d5a10d081f1c461b6216c09a2d37ea1c1f271a.jpg

    • Blackest Noobs

      though on the flipside…Republicans overspent in a red meat state that shouldn’t have been a struggle electing anyone with an R by their name. the fist-a-cuffs just made it worse for the others in June and November and next year. If House members’ numbers are struggling now, and Trump’s numbers aren’t rising, the money is gonna dry up if they have to spend it where before it wasn’t needed.

      they don’t have infinite money….it does run out…even for wealthy people.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      Pretty sure the reason the outside committees threw all that money in for a single House seat was that Quist raised $2 million more than Gianforte did (and Gianforte loaned his campaign $1 million of that).

      It cost them a huge chunk of their warchest at a time when their constituents are deeply unhappy with them to barely hold a safe seat. I doubt the d-trip could have changed that, tbh, but in a coming election where all seats are being contested, they’re in a world of hurt with these kind of numbers.

  • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

    The complete lack of self-awareness – it burns!

    Trump at Coast Guard Commencement: “No politician in history…has been treated worse or more unfairly”

    https://twitter.com/ANDREYEVSKY/status/864886127316094977

    • TJ Barke

      Not many people know this, but he was a republican.

      • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

        I’ve heard that…

        • TJ Barke

          People are telling me.

          • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

            The BEST people, I’m sure.

      • WotsAllThisThen

        Frederick Douglass is doing great work trying to spread that message!

      • Three Finger Salute

        He’d be a “RINO” by today’s standards.

        • TJ Barke

          Ronald Reagan, republican messiah, would be a RINO by today’s standards.

          • DrBigHead

            Atilla the Hun would be a RINO by today’s standards

          • Three Finger Salute

            Probably even Hitler would be a RINO by today’s standards. He was a vegetarian who loved the German countryside. That makes him a hippie tree-hugger. Sure, he was also Hitler, but at least he killed the guy who killed Hitler.

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      After secession, followed by not very civil discourse….

    • CindyinEncinitas

      That doesn’t seem right, what happened to Lincoln.

  • Serai 1

    OT question: Did Sam have a new show this week? Because if she did, it’s not showing up online ANYWHERE, including her site.

    • NastyBossetti

      It didn’t show up in my dvr, either, so I think the answer is no.

      • Serai 1

        Thanks! :)

    • jesterpunk

      She didnt, the next new one is next week.

      • Serai 1

        Ah, okay. Thanks! I saw someone saying there was a show on and it sounded like they meant a new one.

  • Rachel Book Harlot

    “This is the first day of the end of Greg Gianforte’s political career,” McKenna said.

    I highly doubt this will be the end of Gianforte’s political career. WaPo has some great oped pieces today about the moral and ethical rot within the Republican party. And there doesn’t seem to be an end in sight. Things are going to get a lot worse before anything changes. For those who want to read the pieces, here are the links:

    “A week that reveals how rotten today’s Republican Party is”:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/05/26/a-week-that-reveals-how-rotten-todays-republican-party-is/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.48c41b3c2ec9

    “The conservative mind has become diseased”: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-conservative-mind-has-become-diseased/2017/05/25/523f0964-4159-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html?tid=pm_opinions_pop&utm_term=.1518a9055162

    “The Daily 202: Gianforte’s victory after assaulting reporter reflects rising tribalism in American politics”: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/05/26/daily-202-gianforte-s-victory-after-assaulting-reporter-reflects-rising-tribalism-in-american-politics/59275c2ae9b69b2fb981dba2/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_daily202-1115a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

    The GOP inherits what Trump has wrought”: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-gop-inherits-what-trump-has-wrought/2017/05/26/4e1943ea-4177-11e7-adba-394ee67a7582_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_montana-debrief-715a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.e0007f3d52b9

  • canes_pugnaces

    I know (as does yr Wonkette, I assume) Ben Jacobs. He’s persistent all right. In a very good way. His question was in the public interest, and one the traitorous GOP is loathe to answer. But this entire episode points to a very dark forecast, where millions of Americans are lining up behind a white nationalist future. We are coming apart at the seams. I don’t want anything but pain for Trump supporters. Maximum pain. And visa versa.

    Sumner indeed. We’ve been here before.

  • Riley Whodat Venable

    Violent Republican millionaire wins election in state with Soveriegn Citizen population.
    Who’d a thunk it.

  • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

    OT: Texas AG Ken Paxton tells court to go hang – refuses suggestion to take up redistricting in special session. https://twitter.com/jslovegrove/status/867793701833105408

    • Serai 1

      Fucking wingnuts don’t care HOW much taxpayer money they flush down the toilet.

      • jesterpunk

        It plays to their base who is happy they are sticking it to those liberals.

      • Three Finger Salute

        At least it’s not going to pay for “free stuff” for those smelly poor people and slutty wimmenz. “If I can’t have it, no one can”: GOP motto.

      • JohnBull

        Just make sure it’s not one of those trans-friendly toilets.

  • DrBigHead
    • Everrett Fanuelli

      Here’s a bit of advice for the press: Get help for your battered wife syndrome. Start reporting honestly and quit equivocating with both parties. One party is out to quash you. Time to grow a set!

    • Three Finger Salute

      I saw the movie Bob Roberts recently. Tim Robbins’ mockumentary about an upstart politician who is rather like Trump. In the movie, there’s one character who’s a muckraker from a small community paper who tries to expose Roberts for the fraud that he is. So someone from Bob’s cult of wannabe yuppies who love him for touting “the American way” shoots the reporter for getting too close to the truth.

      I don’t think Tim Robbins ever intended for his movie to become nonfiction. A warning sign, sure, but apparently not enough people saw it as a warning. Have to say though, his ex-girlfriend is a putz for voting for the real life Bob Roberts though.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        and then Tim Robbins turned to the Ron Paul side and the rest was history.

        • Three Finger Salute

          lolwut? Noooo, not another celebertarian… I had such hope…

          • Carpe Vagenda

            for Guam boy? Nah, stick a fork in it.

        • Serai 1

          I don’t understand why anyone looks to fucking ACTORS for role models. You don’t have to be smart to be an actor, you just have to be good at FAKING it.

          • Three Finger Salute

            I think it has to do with that whole thing about artists being part of the cultural vanguard to promote ideas that could eventually make the world a better place. Robbins made another good movie called Cradle Will Rock, about the last days of the WPA before the robber barons shut it down for being “communistic” and the war effort started to pick up. Today, they’re just as much hypocritical ultra-capitalists as anyone else, unfortunately. Cons call them “limousine liberals,” but that is kind of a fitting term. Broken clock being right twice a day and all that.

            That being said, the scene where Diego Rivera (Ruben Blades) is painting a mural of Lenin on a wall in the Rockefeller building and pisses off Nelson Rockefeller (John Cusack, in a rare bad-guy role), makes me think now of how funny it’d be if there was a Diego today who’d paint a mural of Hippie Jesus on the border wall and piss off Trump.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbwukvgiQ00

          • Serai 1

            Yeah, that whole idea that artists are somehow morally better because they come up with shit puzzles me. I’ve known a fair number of artists, actors among them (my family being performers), and I can tell you they’re about the same in the percentage of asshole/lunatic/dingbat as the rest of the population. Being creative is no guarantee that you’ll create stuff that’s actually good for people, or that your beliefs are any better than anyone else’s/

          • Carpe Vagenda

            I find him in excess to requirements in either role, really.

      • Serai 1

        I don’t see how in any way one could call Sanders a “real life Bob Roberts”.

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      I really do feel that we’re headed for some kind of tragedy.

  • Ms.MLG on Maui

    This seems like a great time to remind everyone that women are unfit to hold office because they’re “too emotional”.

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      and they don’t have tremendous stamina

    • Three Finger Salute

      And if they’re not, they’re “bitchy” or “coldhearted.” Can’t win for losing.

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      The irony. Well, on the bright side: at least the leader of the free world is now a woman. :)

      • Three Finger Salute

        You have to clarify that you mean Angela Merkel. Trolls scan this site and will inject slimy homophobic garbage about Trudeau and Macron.

        • Rachel Book Harlot

          For people who are homophobic, they sure love to fantasize about 2 dudes together.

          • Three Finger Salute

            If you ever have the stomach to peek at Breitfart, the comments are flooded with references to “Justin’s Syrian boyfriends”. Projection much?

        • Carpe Vagenda

          Well, if you were casting a movie about G8 nations in love, you could do worse. Trudeau’s accent is probably better.

          • Three Finger Salute

            Rob Lowe needs to play Justin on SNL. Justin is the IRL version of Sam Seaborn and Chris Traeger. Plus the blue eyes, the hair, the six-pack abs… uh, where was I? :D

    • NastyBossetti

      Anger is an acceptable emotion, though. For men.
      For women, anything other than happiness/contentedness is hysteria.

      • marxalot

        Anger is the only acceptable emotion for men.
        No, “hungry” isn’t an emotion.
        No, neither is “horny.”
        Anywhooo, patriarchy hurts everyone!

        • NastyBossetti

          It does indeed.

    • Anna Rompage

      Not to mention they bleed from their eyes, or wherevers, and that’s just weird…

    • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

      Calm down! Geez…

      • Ms.MLG on Maui

        I didn’t mean to be so shrill!

        • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

          That’s okay toots. I’ve learned to make allowances. How’s my sammich coming?

          • Ms.MLG on Maui

            Be patient. You know it takes me a minute to get this glass ground finely enough.

          • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

            Your sense of humour is one of your best features – have I told you that? Btw, why does this new shovel say “Bub” on the handle?

          • Ms.MLG on Maui

            Nice compliments will only delay my use of the shovel, but I’m thinking of naming a special section of the backyard after you. “The Bub Memorial Cemetery for Men who Dug Their own Graves.”

          • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

            Aww! That’s sweet! But remember…I’m ALREADY DEAD! Bwahahahahahahaha!

          • jodyleek

            You’re doing it wrong. Don’t grind it – stab him in the neck with it when he’s not looking. And then eat the sandwich.

        • Meccalopolis

          There there

  • Chadwells

    I don’t know. This passive aggressive….I’m non violent….won’t stoop to your level mantra does not seem to be working. Might be time to fight fire with fire. Time to bully the bullies.

    Marv said it right.

    https://youtu.be/AAEJedBQk7s

  • Duke

    Morals shmorals. He needs violence and guns to feel like a man.

    And pee hookers.

  • MynameisBlarney
  • UnsaltedSinner
    • Skwerl the Impeachanator!

      Can’t be because of politics or race..

    • chortlingdingo

      Who the fuck would spend $51,000 on a dress they’ll probably only wear once?

      • JohnBull

        That’s a lot of money, so a trillion-dollar tax cut for these assholes is totally justified.

      • NastyBossetti

        If “Say Yes to the Dress” is any indication, many more people than you would like to believe.

      • MizzMazz

        It’s a loaner. She didn’t buy that dress.

        • Toomush_Inferesistance

          She didn’t pay for that dress…FIFY….(a trump never pays)…

    • Doug Langley

      Unless it’s made of plutonium, no dress is worth $51,000.

  • Carpe Vagenda
    • Three Finger Salute

      Wingnuts think Wellesley is a fake university. But Trump U and the two Corinthians are totally real.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      The crowd goes WILD when she talks about graduating when there was a psycho president who was facing impeachment, and fired the man investigating him.

    • ariel_gee_398

      Someone (not Aaron Sorkin) should write a TV show about a raging feminist from Wellesley who goes to law school and doesn’t marry a yutz from Arkansas, then goes on to become president.

  • Kiri the Unicorn

    “There is a natural anger that comes when
    someone invades your space and abuses their ability to do what it is
    they’re doing, they’ve gone across a line,” she continued, again
    lamenting that “we’ve lost some ability to settle things on our own by
    having this kind of girly-man response and this litigation and calling
    the police instead of just settling it.”

    I agree completely. Bring back dueling.

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    Breaking News: Comey acted on Russian intel he knew was fake. That stupid motherfucker!!!!!! He’s now going to be totally discredited. He claims it was because Loretta Lynch talked to Bill Clinton on the tarmac of an airport. Oh, well, OK, then that’s totally cool you stupid piece of crap.

    You know who else is turning in to a punchy rage monster? ME.

    • Claire

      “Notably, the apparently fraudulent email never appeared in any of the document dumps during the course of the election. It only seems to have dropped directly into the FBI’s hands,” says Talking Points Memo.

      OH WELL ISN’T THAT CONVENIENT.

      http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/this-is-huge-astonishing

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        I’m genuinely shocked that Comey would act so unprofessionally. Now his credibility is completely shot, so Trump might get away with his crimes because Comey is compromised. Trump can also say “look, that guy is a liar, you just can’t trust him” and for once, Trump would be right.

  • Hobbes’ Evil Twin

    Fuck Gianforte. Fuck the GOP. Fuck Drumpf. Fuck low information voters.

    What the fuck is it going to take to reverse the last 25+ years of nonothingism?

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      Probably a war on our soil where we lose.

      • Toomush_Inferesistance

        I don’t intend to lose.

    • Chadwells

      I had this conversation with my wife this morning. I’m pissed. You have to get a license to drive a vehicle….you should have to pass a test to vote. I’m tired of dumb motherfuckers deciding the fate of the country. If you can’t name the 3 branches of government…GTFOH…you can’t vote.

      • marxalot

        That is what public education was supposed to be. It’s why “American Government” was one of the requirements to graduate high school, and one of the classes you can’t test out of in most state colleges (since the first 2 years of uni now sub for all the stuff you didn’t learn in HS).
        And who has been defunding and sabotaging public education for the past 30 years? Hmm

        • Chadwells

          Exactly!!! Grrr….

        • Three Finger Salute

          I think catechism is now a requirement before gradjeeashun.

        • Chadwells

          Lastly and most humorous….my wife is the anarchist of the family!!!

      • Lily412

        As much as I’d love to agree with you, I don’t think that’s the solution. Democracy is for everyone, even the uneducated/under-educated.

        • Chadwells

          Exactly what my wife said. Democracy seems to be a failing experiment.

          The poor….the uneducated…they all need to take a test and get a license to drive to make sure they don’t kill themselves or anyone else…to make them conform to the rules of the road so everyone can get along safely.

          These “representatives” make life and death decisions (case in point, AHCA has real world life and death ramifications)….yet any asshole who doesn’t know shit can elect them. That, in my mind, is a serious and very flawed system.

        • Chadwells

          I know all the flaws with my argument. I’m just mad and lashing out. Seems there is no real solution without being hypocritical.

    • UnsaltedSinner

      It’s worth remembering that long before he body slammed that reporter, Gianforte had taken a firm stand against the concept of retirement, because Noah supposedly built the ark when he was 600. And voters in Montana said: “That’s our man!”

      • Everrett Fanuelli

        He said the bible doesn’t say anything about retirement so I imagine that’s how he intends to legislate: from the bible.

        • Chadwells

          Bible also says “eye for an eye”….so we can kick the shit out of Gianforte the next time he wants to tussle? Seems only fair.

          • chortlingdingo

            But Jesus said “turn the other cheek.” Which is right?! Surely such a divine book couldn’t be rife with contradictions?!

          • Chadwells

            I know and the hypocrisy is real!! I was just saying that it’s the argument the use for being bible pro-life…yet pro-death penalty!!

        • WotsAllThisThen

          In bible days retirement meant being eated by lions. We’ve strayed from biblical values and now we have nothing but a bunch of sad, hungry lions.

    • Claire

      I don’t know if it’s even possible. An enormous percentage of the American public would essentially have to be deprogrammed. They’d have to be educated about things they have no interest in understanding. They’d have to give up their narrative where they’re the Good People and everyone else is evil and out to destroy them, and that’s a powerful narrative when it allows you to blame everything that’s wrong with your life on someone else.

      I don’t think it can be done. Maybe someone else has better ideas than I do. I just don’t see it happening. It’s too late to turn it around.

      • Cat Cafe for the Investigation

        This is exactly why it’s so alluring. That siren song of feeling “better” and “bigger” while having to actually do exactly nothing. It’s the same people who believe the Nigerian prince is in love with them and they’ll get to live in his palace for SURE. They have to recognize that they made a mistake, that they’re wrong, that actually they will have to do some work and get some education, and they’re not “better.” And yes, they’ve been utterly brainwashed with deliberate disinformation for decades now. It’s terrible. The only thing I can say is that in fact we are standing up to it, that by far the majority of Americans don’t want this, and many of our institutions ARE holding firm. In fact, Europe is holding firm–I suspect they’ll enter the fray (i.e., Mercedes pulling out their factory, or France spilling some intel dirt on Trump). It is taking a lot, lot longer than we want, but I do think we will turn it around. But what a mess. It’ll take decades.

        • Claire

          I sincerely hope you’re right. There are so many things that would have to change, though, and not just on the Right. SO many things, and so many people invested in those things not changing, and so many people for whom change would mean facing the fact that they’ve been complicit in their own immiseration.

          • Cat Cafe for the Investigation

            If Germany could re-educate and turn everything around after WW2, we can too… I just hope we don’t have to go through a war to get there.

      • Three Finger Salute

        I just found this to-do list of errands from about 70 some-odd years ago. It’s missing one item that we didn’t think to do and therefore never checked off.

        We forgot to denazify the United States.

        • Claire

          I think we forgot milk too.

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      Like I mentioned before, possibly a war where we aren’t the victors. Seemed to work for Germany and Japan after WW2. It’s going to have to be some type of serious event which forces many Americans to become introspective and question what they’ve been told. Maybe a severe depression.

      • Three Finger Salute

        So…. everywhere after WW3.

        Not sure there’ll be anyone left to question anything at that point.

      • Claire

        The South certainly didn’t learn anything after the Civil War.

        • Three Finger Salute

          Lurnin’ is fer big city folk.

        • marxalot

          Honestly? Any lessons the Civil War might have taught were completely destroyed by Reconstruction.

          • Claire

            Can you direct me to a good explanation of this? Because what you’re saying was my understanding too, but I don’t know much more than that, and I really don’t want to wade into the morass of the internet looking for information about the Civil War without a pointer.

    • marxalot

      Watchman scenario?

    • Serai 1

      I have no intention of fucking any of them. But hey, if that’s your idea of a good time…

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    Oh Christ after yesterday’s remarks about Germany many german car manufacturers are now planning sort of action. Good luck fighting, BMW, Mercedes, Audi and Volkswagen. They pretty much own the marketing world. lol

    http://www.imaginelifestyles.com/luxuryliving/2011/06/funny-billboards-audi-vs-bmw-ad-campaign

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      I hope they start trolling Trump HARD. BMW has a very large plant in the very deep red city of Greenville, SC, and Mercedes is opening up a plant in Charleston, SC. It would be fun to watch them pull out of this state.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Trust them to do that. Making money is one thing but don’t insult them. German dignity goes way beyond making money.

      • JohnBull

        They’ll just blame Obama. South Carolina isn’t exactly an Algonquin round table.

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          SC isn’t exactly a kindergarten round table.

      • Serai 1

        State? They should pull out of the country altogether.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      Do Trump voters know they’re building German cars? Or do they take the finished cars to a secret room where they remove the Ford stickers and attach BMW emblems?

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Nah they just look for made in ‘ Gina’ stickers.

      • Three Finger Salute

        If they did know, they’d say that’s awesome because, y’know, “Germany” and everything. Also Hitler invented the VW, so bonus alt-reich points if you drive one of those.

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        Trump voters only know what Fox News tell them. A few branch out and read Brietbart and the like.

        Therefore, most of them not only don’t know shit, they cannot distinguish it from Shinola.

    • Serai 1

      Good for them.

  • Toomush_Inferesistance

    “But, dawgonnit, sometimes you’re just pushed to the limit with some of these little faggots. I hope, when I get to Washington, it’ll be a more civil kinda discourse…..”

  • Lyly Sirivong
    • Three Finger Salute

      That reporter has his hand in the air not because he’s asking a question, but because Gianforte dislocated the guy’s shoulder and he actually can’t move his arm.

      • cmd resistor

        Oh, good, that will be something for Trump to make fun of.

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      Some of those media sources may be bringing out their Hemingway models…

  • Juan de Fuca

    “I remember when men used to actually settle things between themselves,” she said, “but now, in this culture, if you respond with any kind of anger, that’s a terrible thing.”

    Can I mansplain something?
    The main two reasons why many of us “men folk” prefer to settle disputes nonviolently nowadays is because most of us believe it’s neither ethical nor moral to ever put hands on another person simply because that other person pissed you off.

    Another reason is self preservation. In 2017, you don’t know who knows what on the street. I’ve practiced Jui Jitsu on and off for over 10 years and the one thing I’ve learned from that is you should never judge a book by it’s cover. There plenty of unassuming bad asses walking around and you’d never know it until you go to slam the wrong guy or girl to the ground. Gianforte is really lucky he didn’t take the wrong guy to the ground.

    But if you’re feeling froggy ma’am, by all means, feel free to show us all what it means to be a tough guy.

    • NastyBossetti

      Also, it is possible to respond with anger WITHOUT using violence.

      • Juan de Fuca

        Snark is always more satisfying.

    • marxalot

      There are lots of ways to express your anger without actually engaging in physical violence. There are ways to “settle things” without beating another human being. Why is violence a virtue?
      Oh wait is it because he’s white

      • BlissfulScribbler

        Violence *is* a virtue if you’re a conservative degenerate who’s spent his/her entire life watching garbage on television. These morons want day-to-day life to bear a closer resemblance to Sons of Anarchy or The Walking Dead.

        • norcalOG

          Sons of Anarchy or The Walking Dead? That’s no way to talk about Republican House members and Trump’s personal advisors.

    • Three Finger Salute

      And “Jew Jitsu” is called Krav Maga. Too bad it has “MAGA” in the name though.

    • jesterpunk

      Slightly OT but a few years ago some morons where walking around attacking anyone they thought was trans in Wales and got knocked the fuck out when they tried to attack 2 MMA fighters.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1218651/Thugs-attack-men-dresses–turn-cage-fighters.html

      • GreenGoldSharpie

        Better be careful of fucking with trans folks over here too. There’s been a push to start packing.

        • Three Finger Salute

          Too bad that little prick Milo had to hijack the Pink Pistols and make himself the unappointed spokesman. His whole purpose for that was to encourage gays to kill Muslims unprovoked out of revenge for Orlando. That’s not self-defense, moron.

        • marxalot

          *suppresses urge to make “packing/packer” joke*
          *breaks into sweat*
          *faints*
          “I JUST DO IT ON THE WEEKENDS, I DIDN’T REALIZE IT WAS A MOVEMENT”
          (oh God I’m so sorry)

        • Counterproductive. First trans person shoots a Nazi, it’ll unleash a pogrom. I prefer not to start shooting wars with people who’ve bee preparing for it for 40 years.

      • Pisto75666

        BWAHAHAHA.

        Not that I support violence but, damn that’s awesome.

        • jesterpunk

          They went easy on them too, it was only 1 punch for each.

          • Pisto75666

            It’s like those people who target practice and hit it a hundred times. If you do it right the first time, you don’t have to overdo it.

    • Serai 1

      Surprised you didn’t bring up the fact that it could get you actually killed because SO MANY ASSHOLES CARRY FUCKING GUNS AROUND.

      • jesterpunk

        With no actual training because freedumb. Dont you know that just picking up a gun and declaring you are a good guy with a gun automagically makes you a better shot and safer then anyone in the military?

        • BlissfulScribbler

          …and I love that these people are almost always the same dumb authoritarian fucks who think that we always need to have ten times more armed police officers wandering about, none of whom will be able to magically divine who’s a ‘good guy’ or ‘bad guy’ when a shooting occurs. Theirs is a non-ideology of tail-devouring ‘anarcho-fascism’ which does nothing but pump up violence and spectacle. I really can’t wait to see the other foot drop on their empty heads when this GOP health-care plan (i.e. ‘thanks for the votes, idiots. Now you can kindly fuck off and die!’)

          • jesterpunk

            It worked so well in Dallas when the cops got shot, oh wait no it didnt because they had to stop and check all the morons with guns to make sure they where not shooting at them.

      • Juan de Fuca

        My initial thought after reading her quote was -“so when they say that an armed society leads to a polite society, what they really mean is they just want to be able to shoot anybody who disagrees with them.”

        • Serai 1

          Yep. It means they want the right to bully everyone else around them into silence.

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      What she means is, let’s you and him fight….

    • Mumen Rider Justice CRASH!

      Also, life isn’t “Game of Thrones” where Gods decide who’s right by causing the morally correct person win the fight. Being a better fighter has nothing to do with most disagreements.

    • Aaron Wise

      Another obvious loss snatched from the jaws of victory.

      Lemme guess, there was even less appeal to the voters by one of the candidates.

      Us Dems need a message, and fast.

      • doktorzoom

        Montana is an overwhelmingly Republican state. Gianforte was polling ahead of Quist until a few weeks ago, when Quist began to narrow the gap. Despite having enthusiastic supporters, Quist never actually led in the polls. The only real hope Quist had was that Gianforte is really disliked by a lot of people.

        There was never anything obvious about a Quist victory — he did better than expected, but not well enough to win, and that is not symptomatic of any doomsday scenario for Democrats.

        • Lamashtar

          Some people are saying Quist was a bad play, that the Left should’ve ran a more experienced candidate. I’d like to see some kind of poll for Montanans on whether they’d’ve preferred a more experienced but boring candidate or the colorful folksinger. (And at least one commenter noted that the majority voted for for the guy who beat up another guy, so they might like color!)

    • DrBigHead

      I can honestly say I have never been in a non-hockey-related fight in my life. And while I am well past the age when I would even consider resorting to such nonsense, nowadays it is just too risky.

  • (((fka_donnie_d)))

    One must, nevertheless, grant that Mr Gianforte has mastered the American business technique of cutting out the middleman. A cheap South American, eastern European, African or middle eastern despot would have asked his bodyguards or secret police to do this.

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    I am getting so many requests for awesome sex by people I dont know who want to friend me. Is it just me or are we getting a wonk orgy in a few weeks?

    • Carpe Vagenda

      I too have received these invitations. It is my thought that whoever is making them does not wish me well.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Well maybe they are really cute russians.

        • Carpe Vagenda

          I have a non-gender-specific nym, but my feeling is that anybody who’s read enough of my posts to want to be my disqus BFF should probably have figured out that I’m an improbable consumer for their services.

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            I think we have simply googled too much porn.

          • Carpe Vagenda

            Do not think of it as porn. Think of it as an incisive feminist exploration of Bucky Barnes as a Disney princess.

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            Thanks. Beer all over my laptop.

    • Duke

      Suddenly, I’m not feeling very special

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        no man, we get all the action.

    • NastyBossetti

      I’m not getting any requests :-(

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Ouch. What says that about you. Want to share some of mine?

        • NastyBossetti

          Oh no, you can keep them. Wouldn’t want to take anything away from you! They must have noticed that I am married, and they’re being respectful.

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            Would you keep threm in a box or would you like them without socks?

          • NastyBossetti

            Definitely in a box
            Ideally one with many locks

      • Serai 1

        Same here. Never gotten one.

    • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

      Me as well and Lady J wants to kill the slutbots.

  • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN
    • Bemused Australian

      I’m a republican, but only in the sense that I want to do away with the monarchy. Am I a thug too?

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        Generalizations risk pissing on the exceptions. This is understood. My statement is a generalization and with it comes that risk. It should go without saying but I’ll say it anyway: You are allowed to answer that question for yourself.

        • Bemused Australian

          I was just joshing =). Also, I’d make a lousy thug (despite being 6’3″ and loutish looking) as I have no propensity for violence.

          • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

            Okay, got it.

            Incidentally, I too am 6’3″. 300 lbs (steadily losing 5#/month after my Dr gave be a good talkin’ to late last year.)

            The closest I get to being a thug would be to sit on somebody.

          • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

            OT but proud of you for the weight loss.

  • OddMan

    OT but as long as we are talking about assholes ~

    https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/868153983482855426

    • Bemused Australian

      Duterte is super scary. The death toll from his war on drugs is up over 7,000 now.

      • cmd resistor

        It will be so nice when he comes to the White House. Maybe they can have him for the Halloween party. Or the Easter Egg roll.

  • Buzz1313

    Whenever people mention the Brooks/Sumner incident, they leave out a few things: Brooks attacked Sumner when he was seated and not expecting it, Brooks had an accomplice who prevented others present from helping by holding them at gun point. Oh and the next time Brooks challenged a guy to a duel, he got called on his bullshit. Lastly, Brooks died a year after the cane incident. It makes me sick when people reference that asshole

    • everstar

      Brooks didn’t stop beating Sumner even after Sumner passed out; Brooks only stopped because the cane broke. He hit Sumner so hard, he managed to injure himself when one of his back swings hit him on the forehead.

      One of the replacement canes Brooks received was inscribed, “Good job.” Another was inscribed, “Hit him again.”

  • OddMan

    Once Gianforte got to saying “I should not have responded in the way that I did, and for that I’m sorry,” a supporter shouted “And you’re forgiven,” which got much more applause than the actual apology.

    That is the part of this whole damn mess that really scares me. Our society is full of people that would turn on you in an instant.

    • Serai 1

      What’s truly grotesque is that NOBODY in that crowd yelled, “So why don’t you apologize to the guy you BEAT UP??”

      • cmd resistor

        Not in THAT crowd.

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    Every now and then I feel proud to be dutch. Sometimes I am not and sometimes I crack myself up to be Dutch.

    https://twitter.com/Gosserd/status/867801344119365633

    Pigeon caught with a backpack carrying 200 XTC pills. :B

    • Bemused Australian

      Pigeon-mule? A couple of years ago in my home town (Melbourne) there was a group smuggling drugs into a couple of prisons by using drones. Similar principle, but I like the pigeon better.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        It;s actually a pretty common thing to use pigeons for trafficking contraband but the added details that he was wearing a little backpack made me laugh so hard.

    • Ferroequinologist Ron

      Pigeon raves must be EPIC.

  • Fusilier 0770

    Yep, this is the new paradigm we as a nation find ourselves. Conservatism isn’t an ideology based on principles anymore, but on power. Today its body slams, tomorrow its pogroms that are not just racial, religious, and ethnic, but also ideologically based. Already in many conservative circles, liberals are conflated to be hated as much as any foreign terrorist. Hell, even moderate conservatives are getting hit with the same broad brush as liberals for ideological purity. We are entering into a very dark period of extreme right wing hegemony where the fist and the bludgeon are acceptable for now, but I am getting increasingly worried this will only escalate.

  • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

    The following is all snark and meant to be offensive. Read with caution.

    “I remember when people used to settle things like men. If your woman got out of line, you could just kill her. Alternately, liberals have ruined rape culture, which is the birthright of all men. I mean, the woman has it coming being all womanly and making the man get all erect. So someone raped someone? Good for them! Maybe the raped need to get over it because rape is not a crime in the bible, after all.

    “There was also a time when real men settled their disputes by killing each other. We called that ‘war’ and it was wonderful. A man could show his dominance by chopping off the heads of other men. Hell, in some parts of the world, men still exercise this god given right. A man exercised this same right to violence in Manchester the other day and that was completely fine because a man was just settling a manly, studly thing.

    “And there was a time when all children were the property of manly men for use in whatever capacity the man deemed fit. he man wanted his 4 year old child to work in the mines? Good for the manly, studly man for being so manly and studly and righteously rapey and drunky and violenty because only total pussies ever evolve beyond primate grunts and tossing fists about and we need to teach those kids the value of complete torture.

    “And there was a time when you could own a human being and murder them for sport. There was this really manly, studly woman in Louisiana Delphine LaLaurie who really understood her jeebus given right to settle things with her paid for slaves. I mean, if you can’t stuff feces into your property’s mouths and sew them shut, then what’s life all about, afterall?”

    See? This is my fucking problem with this bullshit. Fuck every one of these fuckwads!

  • Aaron Wise

    Us Dems really need to find an appeal to American voters.
    Trump, and now this.

    This is a classic example of having no message and no appeal to American voters.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      Nope, it isn’t. Pleased I could clear that up for you.

      FYI, for your next incarnation, Democrats don’t call themselves Dems.

      • Aaron Wise

        I have been a Dem all of my life.

        • Cheesus Crust _ Rebel

          All 15 years of it I’m sure.

          Toddle off now, the adults are having a conversation.

          • Claire

            Seriously, this is what we’re going to do? Instead of acknowledging that the Democratic Party is shit at messaging, looking at our weaknesses, and figuring out how to make them better, we’re going to yell at people who point it out?

            Come on. We should be better than this.

          • Cheesus Crust _ Rebel

            Yeah, that’s not what this person’s doing… this person is concern trolling, very badly I might add. And I’m not going to reward it with a conversation. I will mock, however. Lots of mocking.

          • Aaron Wise

            I am concerned with the Dem party.
            Why attack a fellow Dem?

          • True. I hope we are better than this.

          • Aaron Wise

            Stop with the personal attacks.

            I have been voting Dem for 35 years.

          • Cheesus Crust _ Rebel

            Then don’t come in here and concern troll, person who joined Discus today to comment on this thread.

            Also too, I’ll call a spade a spade.

          • Aaron Wise

            Concern troll the lack of Democratic appeal?
            Hide hand in sand?
            Another loss and you attack me?

        • Carpe Vagenda

          Whatever, Fabergé.

      • Aaron Wise

        This party is REALLY fucked up.

        This is a prefect harbinger of further elections.

        Sad to say.

        • Cheesus Crust _ Rebel

          Wait, we now have prefects? IT’S JUST LIKE ROME AND WE ARE ALL GONNA FALL!

      • Claire

        I’m a Democrat, I occasionally call myself a Dem, and I can’t disagree with him. If there’s a unified Democratic message that’s as cohesive a narrative as the GOP’s “Let’s all live inside the Andy Griffith Show,” I don’t know what it is. For the past few years, mostly what I’ve seen in the Democrats is a party that’s never seen a political battle they think is worth fighting.

        Democrats need to start being present in the American political system, tbh. This isn’t “both sides do it,” it’s “one side does it and the other one stands around wringing its hands and talking about picking its battles and keeping its powder dry.” Where’s the new Voting Rights Act? Where’s the step-by-step plan to address the weaknesses in Obamacare, which exist? Where’s the full-court press to stop gerrymandering?

        I blame at least 90% of what’s befallen this country on the Republicans, but we’ve had years of electoral slaughter at this point and lost control of nearly every branch of Government in the country. There needs to be a reckoning on this side too. We can’t just hear criticism and go “NOPE.”

        • Carpe Vagenda

          The problem is, just recently someone tried to do that, and it didn’t end well.

          At some point, I would very much like to see progressives get real about what voting means and accomplishes. One very real reason I walked it off in 2008 and voted for Obama/Biden was that if they won, they would no longer be on the Judiciary Committee, and we had a shot at the Democrats standing up to the Republicans. This is not a game that gives out style points.

          • Claire

            We’ve had a lot of “didn’t end well” lately – which one?

            I think America in general is short on reality when it comes to voting, nowadays. It’s become all about white identity for Republicans and about I don’t even know what for progressives. People need to be educated about that, and the Republicans sure aren’t going to do it and the state-level Democrats are just getting that ball rolling. The national Democrats, I’m not even sure what they’re doing.

            But I know that you have to tell people a story. You have to. You have to have a narrative and they have to be able to see themselves as part of it, and for so many years I’ve watched the Democrats basically get up in front of the media and tell people the Republicans are right about everything. There’s been a total concession of the narrative from every non-Republican other than individuals like Obama, Bernie, and Hillary if anyone had covered it.

        • Pisto75666

          We’ve also won the last 7 elections (including the ones that were stolen.) And what’s a more cohesive message than ‘we’re NOT the GOP’?

          • Claire

            Like I said: we’ve lost control of nearly every state, nearly every statehouse, and now all three branches of government. If this is a winning strategy, I would hate like hell to see what a losing one looks like. When I was growing up, women could get abortions without traveling two states over even in red states. The current state with regard to reproductive rights does not look like winning to me, to name only one problem.

            “We’re not the GOP” is a stupid message. You want people to vote for a party that literally does not stand for anything except not being Republicans? I don’t even want to be a member of that party. Politics should at least hold out the prospect of progress and improving things that are wrong. FFS, if you’re going to be a political party, you should at least try.

          • Pardon me, but bullshit. The Democratic message is not “We are not the GOP” it is stronger schools, renewable energy, environmental protections, civil rights for all, help for those in need, pulling your weight for the good of all, and so many many many other things.
            What you are suggesting is we find a message that fits on a bumpersticker. Fine, might win having a catchy meaningless slogan but who do we dump so we can get it to be so short? The gays? The environment? education?

          • Claire

            The comment I was replying to stated that “We aren’t the GOP” is message enough. It’s not, and I’m sorry if you think that’s bullshit but I think you are absolutely wrong and it’s a shit identity for a party. If that’s legitimately all the Democratic party has to offer, then we need to close up shop and go home.

            And yes, since you’re asking, I think the Democratic party could do with a few more bumper-sticker slogans, because the national attention span is short and shrinking. The Republicans don’t seem to have any difficulty churning out bumper stickers for guns, anti-abortion, low taxes, anti-immigration, dog-whistle racism, etc., etc., without dropping any of them. Why are we only allowed to have one? Why can’t we have concise messages about each of them, and hit each one in whatever context it’s relevant?

          • You are kidding, right?
            We DO have concise messages about each of them. And the Republican “message” is, indeed, “We are not those OTHERS out to get you!”
            We have all the messages on all the issues. People just want to be told they are ok and it is not their fault and how the heck can we go telling them that when a: it is not ok and yes, it may be your fault?

          • Claire

            Republicans want to be told that. We should not give two shits about Republicans. They aren’t going to vote for us. We should care about turning out the people who don’t vote.

            Look, politics is about persuasion. You have to get people to turn up at the polls and vote for you, because the people who get to set policy are the ones with their asses in seats. Between 2009 and 2015, according to Politifact, Democrats lost 910 seats in state legislatures alone. We are farther from power now than we have been since the 1920s, and THAT IS BAD.

            When you’re facing those kinds of losses at every branch of government, including losing all three branches at the federal level, the proper response to that is not to say “Our messages are just fine, it’s not our fault people are dumb!” – it’s to say “Shit, that’s bad, where can we do a course correction?” Average citizen democrats have settled on the “La la la no changes required” line. Democratic pundits and politicians have decided that the thing to do is chase votes from Reagan Democrats and shut up about abortion. Neither of those are likely to work out well.

            At some point, in a game of persuasion, you must condescend to persuade people or you will lose. If one method of persuasion isn’t working, you must ditch it and find another way to say what you’re saying. I realize saying this is heretical, but Democrats are not above messaging, we’re not above narrative, and we’re certainly not morally superior to sound bites. Those are tools. Being too virtuous to use them isn’t going to get progressive policies passed.

          • Pisto75666

            We support gay marriage. We support transgender people. We believe in a woman’s right to choose what she wants to do with her body. And pretty much everything else the GOP is against. What exactly is so hard to understand? Unless of course you want us to be like Bernie or busters, who need every single thing explained to them and every qualification met before they make a decision.

          • Claire

            What’s hard to understand is why anyone, anywhere, would think that “Enh, we’re not the GOP, might as well vote for us” is a good enough message to bring people to the polls. Support a woman’s right to choose? You better say it out loud. Receipts or it didn’t happen. Nobody can afford to assume that someone’s pro-choice until proven otherwise. Nobody can afford to assume that a candidate supports transgender people unless it’s part of their platform.

            If you are trying to sell people on your platform, then yes, you must explain every detail of it to them. I’m sorry if you don’t want to, but that’s a basic fact of dealing with other people. You have to tell them specifically what you support and what you want for them and for the country. I don’t understand the objection to doing that either.

          • Pisto75666

            But yet we don’t have to ASSUME any GOP candidate isn’t for gay marriage or rights for women or affordable health care or any other major issue. like that because most (if not all) of them AREN’T, by default.

            You want a perfect Democratic candidate, I’m sorry to tell you it doesn’t exist. Have fun having every right you hold dear being taken away from you while you’re waiting, though.

          • Claire

            Well, according to you the perfect Democratic candidate is one whose sole message to the outside world is “If the Republicans are fur it, I’m agin it!”, and I’m pretty sure that’s going to lead to every right I hold dear being taken away from me anyway because there’s no opposition intelligent enough to stop it. So we appear to be screwed either way.

          • Pisto75666

            If you say so, dear.

          • Three Finger Salute

            Maybe we need to “culturally appropriate.” That is, if the GOP is going to govern from the pulpit, use the pulpit against them. Like Kevin Bacon in Footloose, when he read all those passages about dancing to the town council. The GOP slut-shames, read them the passage about Mary Magdalene. The GOP wants to hurt poor and sick people, remind them of this or that verse Jesus said about the poor and sick. Heck, read the story of the centurion’s servant if you want a Biblical justification for being welcoming toward gay people. Or point out that Jesus once played bartender at someone’s wedding, so why wouldn’t you bake them a cake?

            Don’t be self-righteous atheists or secularists and lecture the simple church folk. Recognize that religion is a part of life for many Americans, and that they need to be shown where they are being fleeced by false prophets (who want profits). Do an ad with the parable of the golden calf and show the Merrill Lynch statue outside Wall Street. Mention Jesus throwing out the moneylenders from the temple. On global warming/climate change/pollution/other environment issues, point out that God meant for us to be caretakers of the Earth. Bring up St. Francis as a “mascot” for kindness toward animals and wildlife. Point out that marijuana is medicine and is a healing plant given to God’s children, not “the devil’s weed”.

            Basically, recruit liberal Christians to go all Pope Francis and steal the ball from their court. Isn’t that even part of the original Rules for Radicals? To use the enemy’s own tools against them? Sure, it goes against everything the Founders wanted, but the gloves have to come off at this point. We have to start thinking strategically.

          • Pisto75666

            That’s actually an amazing way to think about it. Though at this point, as entrenched in their thought process as some of them are, I don’t know if it would work

    • UnsaltedSinner

      “We won’t take away health insurance from 23 million people, unlike those guys” seems like a pretty good message to me.

      • Claire

        It’s a damn good start, but “Vote for me because the other guy’s worse” has not proved to be a sustainable long-term strategy.

        • UnsaltedSinner

          When you’re dealing with crazy people, messaging isn’t really the issue.

          • Aaron Wise

            Appeal is.
            We need to appeal to the American populace.
            Trump = bad. Yup.
            But a losing strategy.

          • UnsaltedSinner

            It’s actually very easy to appeal to these voters: Just offer them white supremacy and the destruction of the social safety net. But why would you want to do that, exactly?

          • Claire

            Which is a good reason for Democratic pundits to stop lecturing us on why we have to “reach out” to Trump supporters. I have to assume, though, that the half of the country that didn’t vote in the last election isn’t entirely crazy. (No, really, I have to, in the face of what’s starting to look like overwhelming evidence.)

            Having a clear message might be one factor in getting those people to the polls. Ease of voting access would be another one.

    • Randy Riddle

      Actually, this is a classic example of how civil wars break out.

  • UnsaltedSinner

    “Great hire, CNN!”

    Washington Post, trying very hard not to giggle.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/288aa6c4dc3d91eb0e880165561fbbfcb8dd1b964f18817cae9eddedef91f531.png

  • OneYieldRegular

    Has that thug yet answered the question about Trumpcare that Jacobs was trying to ask? Because that ought to precede Jacobs’ acceptance of any “apology.”

    • cmd resistor

      So does it count as an apology when you make it to a crowd of supporters at a victory rally instead of directly to the person you bodyslammed? Or you just assume he’s watching on TV so it will count. Lowlife creep.

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      i doubt it – “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!”

    • phoenix00

      “You want healthcare? HERE’S YOUR HEALTHCARE!!”
      – Gianfart

  • Jeff Ackerman

    According to a November 14th, 2016 article in Daily Koss:

    Republicans hold the majority in 32 State Legislatures.

    33 states have Republican Governors’.

    There is a Republican majority in the House and Senate.

    Trump holds the office of President. (I don’t mean to be captain obvious here)

    I didn’t Google the makeup of local governments throughout the US, I’m sure it’s not much better.

    According to a January 11, 2016 Gallup article:

    there are 26% of people that identify as Republicans, 29% that identify as Democrat, and 42% that identify as Independent.

    What is to blame for the mess we are in? Why do the Republicans have control of so much of local, state and US governments?

    Gerrymandering? Yes to some extent.

    Unemployment is low in most places, but are the jobs out there good jobs that pay enough to support a family with a modest middle class lifestyle?

    The economy seems to be doing ok.

    I could post a lot more things that are obvious to all of us.

    How do we change the mess we have?

    I worked as a Union Organizer/Representative for many years, and I struggled with the problem of educating/empowering the membership and people about politics etc. I still have more questions than answers.

    Things are not going well for Democrats/Progressives/Liberals.

    What needs to change to bring voters on board?

    I live in Alaska, a very Republican State but I also have traveled for work and run into the same problems almost everywhere I’ve been.

    I am dumbfounded that people continue to vote against their own self-interests.

    • Me not sure

      I, too, am dumbfounded. Shocked and stunned.

    • Randy Riddle

      Could it be … THE RACISMS?

      • Jeff Ackerman

        I worked in construction for over 45 years, it is a very conservative industry. I also have a dark tan that never goes away. I seldom ran into anyone that was racist. maybe less that 3% of the workplace.

    • I heard one progressive suggest we dump the gun control issue and focus on the more important economic and social ones.
      And I was like eh, maybe. But here is the thing: Obama never seized a single gun. Never. And the gun control libtards are calling for is nothing more than checking to make sure the guy or gal getting said gun is not prone to killing people or themselves. So it really is not about guns.
      What next is there to dump? Gay rights? black lives? safety net? what do we “let go of” to entice our average middle of the road middle class white fellows to stop voting against their own interests?
      I postulate that it all begins and ends with education. Which is why the right is trying so very very hard to destroy our education system.

      • Jeff Ackerman

        My thoughts have been the same about education. People that are educated (not have an education) are generally more liberal/progressive/Democrat and are considered enemies. Gut education financially. Make teachers teach to a test for graduation so student memorize facts instead of learn critical thinking skills, etc.

        • And only on approved material. Exceptionalism, not all the bad stuff that might make them go…wait a minute.

      • Three Finger Salute

        You don’t have to “dump” hard-fought civil rights battles or the safety net. You just have to package or advertise it better, using a uniquely American lexicon that appeals to the “Jesus was a patriot” crowd. Like how different countries have different words meaning the same thing. Britons watch the telly, Americans watch the tube. In England, the tube is the subway. In America a Subway is a sandwich. In the US we have districts; in Canada they’re called ridings. And so on.

        Don’t say welfare or “social” anything when referring to a safety net or basic income. Say “citizens’ dividend” or even “workman’s comp.” Don’t say medical marijuana. In fact, don’t mention marijuana at all. Say natural or holistic medicine, remedies from Grandma’s garden, or even healing “as God intended.” And come up with a new word for marijuana or cannabis. Call it Texas spinach. Who’d say no to cowboy Popeye?

        The bawdiness and sexual frankness needs to be scaled back too. Bedroom politics does not “play in Peoria,” and to win national elections, you have to “play in Peoria.” I know a lot of people get upset about the concept of “respectability politics,” but at some point you need to acknowledge the reality of it, and play to your audience instead of lecturing them or trying to change their minds.

        So we need to disavow the nipple-freers and free-bleeders, make the Pride parades G-rated, and generally distance ourselves as far as we can from the sexual revolution without throwing people under the bus. Again, this goes back to language. Newspeak, much as I hate to say it. Reverse PC even. Don’t call it “birth control”; call it “hormonal regulation.” Don’t say “abortion”; say “procedure” or “operation” or even (ugh) “tummy tuck”. Don’t say “tampons”; say “female first aid.” Don’t say “domestic partners”; say “roommate,” “tenant,” or in cases of same-sex parenting, “stepdad/stepmom”, “uncle/aunt,” or just “cousin”.

        It’s not a perfect solution, but it’s a necessary compromise we’ll have to make if we don’t want to be a one-party state. I know it sounds like the old (and horrible) “what were you wearing at that nightclub” rape excuse. But this isn’t literal rape; it’s getting ravaged at the ballot box. We need to be on our best behavior and adjust our vocabulary accordingly. We need to govern from the left, but present ourselves from the right. Strategic messaging. Read Chomsky and McLuhan.

    • Claire

      So, I’m going to try to put this into words without rambling extensively, and this is just my theory.

      Let’s start with the obvious: the world is changing very quickly, and many Republican voters are old.

      Now, when I say it’s changing quickly, I mean that even people under 50 sometimes still talk as if their understanding of the world is ten years behind. People still ask why the 1% would strip-mine the American economy when they have to live here too. (They don’t have to live here, many of them don’t, and their wealth is global.) Or they talk about flat-screen TVs like they’re some fancy-schmancy new development. (When was the last time you saw a TV for sale that wasn’t a flat-screen? There aren’t any more, as far as I know.) They don’t understand why people use cell phones because they don’t know why you have to talk to people all the time. (Cell phones aren’t phones, they’re small computers with a phone app included.) It’s hard to keep up, and the older you get, the more difficult it can be.

      Next point to consider: in areas where people are dying faster than would be expected, they vote for Trump. There was a study that found that cuing people’s fears of their own mortality can actually make Trump’s policies look more attractive.

      Point the third: a huge fucking enormous percent of the American population is getting to the age where mortality is staring them in the face. It’s getting real now. Their parents are dead. Their friends and siblings are dying. There will be no exceptions made for them. As a society, we no longer have much in the way of death rituals, or anything else to ease that passing, and as a result, people are terrified of death.

      Basically: Republicans are old. They’re aging in a society that devalues age and the aged, and they’re angry that after so long of being the target market for everything under the sun, they’re now being passed over for everything from jobs to car design in favor of a younger generation they resent. Even the Republicans who aren’t old are old, because so many of them are broken down by addictions or a lifetime of working manual labor. Mortality, which makes you fearful and small and hateful, is staring them in the face.

      Death is coming for the Republican base, and they don’t like it, and they want someone to blame. That’s my hypothesis. (Also the racisms and the misogyny, which everyone with an elderly relative knows sometimes get worse with age.)

    • Three Finger Salute

      Sadly, if you want a truthful answer (and this might be downright heresy), I think the messaging about “identity politics” from the other side has worked — and unfortunately, there are certain factions who’ve played into it. Trump, Fox, National Review, et. al. have successfully painted the Democrats as a bunch of whiny nitpickers concerned about “microaggressions,” “cultural appropriation” of Halloween costumes, hairstyles, and ethnic food, and minority representation at the Oscars.

      And it worked — because there are, apparently a lot of people getting upset about “microaggressions” (aka making a mountain out of a molehill), “cultural appropriation” (you can’t eat spaghetti if you’re not Italian? What if you’re Chinese?) and the Oscars — and they’re also registered Democrats.

      We also need to stop being raunchy and doing things like putting Bill Nye on TV to rap about “sex junk”. Bedroom politics is odious to Americans, and it wins the GOP elections in places where the Democrats thought they had a cakewalk. As James Carville said, “It’s the economy, stupid.”

      But even though we do need to disavow the crazies, we don’t need to necessarily throw minorities, women, LGBT, or the disabled under the bus in order to have a convincing message that appeals broadly rather than to targeted constituencies. Everyone wants to be safe and secure, and have enough disposable income to not only afford the basics but be able to enjoy themselves a little bit.

      We do have to start talking about economic inequality, and how all these things — pay gaps, lack of affordable healthcare, lack of representation in the workforce, even something like wheelchair ramps — are all connected to the bottom line.

      We also have to acknowledge the reality of the automated workforce right around the corner. and start packaging a UBI platform that doesn’t sound like “welfare” or “socialism” or can at least counter those dirty words to sound “American” enough (which are dirty words in American politics, we won’t get anywhere pretending they aren’t). Something like “citizens’ dividend” would work. “Workman’s compensation” even, because at least it has the word “work” in it. Don’t use words like “social,” “universal,” or “public,” and don’t EVER say the word “tax.” Language matters. Know your audience. Chomsky will tell you that.

      Don’t bring up that Europe or Canada do this or that. The meat-and-potatoes crowd hates Europe and Canada because of who their leaders and therefore “pitchmen” are. They hate Merkel because she’s female and because “Muslims.” They hate Trudeau because they think he’s gay, a communist, Fidel Castro’s son, and because “Muslims.” They hate Macron because… well, you get the idea. Don’t waste time trying to get them to “like” Merkel, Trudeau, or Macron, or disprove their conspiracy theories about them. They can’t vote in other countries anyway. Focus on the US… and leave civilization out of it. ;-)

      Again, this is just my humble opinion based on what I saw throughout this surreal election cycle. I could be wrong, but this is just how I see it. “When they go low we go high” doesn’t work if they fight dirty. So you do have to white-lie a little bit, or at least massage the terminology without literally dropping the core issues.

      The objective is to win, and you don’t bring a pen to a sword fight. We might even have an easier go of it next time around if Fox finally hits the iceberg and sinks, and Breitbart shuts down due to connections with Russia. But we have to do some work on our part too.

      • Jeff Ackerman

        I agree with you, your observations and analysis are excellent. I have known, and worked with many many more conservative people than liberal and progressive. The majority of them are good people. They have good core values and principles. The problem with them is fear and no desire to educate themselves further that necessary to survive in the world. They want to believe on faith alone. Fear of death, the unknown, loss of their financial and social status, fear of people unlike them, lead them to vote for people like Trump, Ryan, etc. They want someone to take care of them. They will believe politicians on faith alone. They are a demographic that Democrats will never bring on board. I’ve been told that on any issue 1/3rd will be for, 1/3rd against and 1/3rd undecided. Democrats are struggling to reach that 1/3rd in the middle. Anyway I could beat this to death. Thanks for the post, Jeff

        • Teto85

          Fear. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering and we will see a lot of suffering during this maladministration.

      • Mysterious Masked Wrestler

        They think all that crazy, deeply stupid shit about Trudeau and Merkel and all the terms you listed because they’ve been told to. Call it “worker’s compensation”, and within two weeks every rightwing website, talk radio host and Fox News anchors will have them convinced it’s a commie codeword, perhaps with a side of pedophilia. You’re trying to cajole and appease the dumbest motherfuckers on earth. It’s not going to work.

        • Three Finger Salute

          I’m just trying to crib a page from their playbook. Like that stupid meme where they tried to confuse Google by using Internet-driven code words for naughty terms that would get you banned otherwise (Google = N word, Skype = Jews, Yahoo = “loose women,” and I think Twitter = any derogatory term for LGBT).

          The true believers are a lost cause; they’re always going to think Angela Merkel wants to genocide Germans, Barack Obama is from Kenya, and Justin Trudeau is Fidel Castro’s illegitimate gay son, but the swing voters in purple states and even the never-Trump conservatives might — might — be up for grabs.

          I mean, if Hillary won 3M more votes than Trump, who basically got in on a technicality just like O.J. got off on one, it can’t possibly be true that the lunatic fringe is the mainstream?

          • Mysterious Masked Wrestler

            Oh, they may not quite be the mainstream/majority, and sure, maybe some more non/swing voters can be mobilized. This needs to happen fast to reinforce any notion of civilzed behavior, though, because the wingnuts don’t believe in democracy, they believe in violence.

      • Claire

        The thing is, though, it’s SO much about identity politics that I think trying to persuade Republicans to cross the aisle and vote Democrat is useless. They hate us. “Liberal” or “Democrat” is the worst thing you can be in their minds. So we’ve got to forget about persuading them and start turning out all the people who don’t vote.

        • Three Finger Salute

          Are there really that many Republicans we’d need to cross the aisle, or is it really more about swing voters? Because if swing voters, well, to coin a phrase, “swing both ways,” maybe you can convince them to go to the Democrats side by “massaging the messaging,” as McLuhan said. Fox is on its way out, not only because Fox itself has been gutted with O’Reilly’s firing, Ailes’ death, and the massive advertiser pullout of Hannity (thus losing billions of dollars in general), but because cable itself is going downhill as cordcutters and Netflix are on the rise. The real battle, then, will be for social media.

          And with even the founder of Twitter showing remorse (or at least doing damage control) for the monster he had a hand in creating, perhaps even the Internet landscape will start improving. It might not be right away in 2020, but it’s never too early to start coming up with a plan and rehearsing the script.

          • Claire

            I’m convinced it’s not about either, it’s about people who don’t vote. Pushing hard for things like expanded voting time or voting by mail would be a huge boon for the party. Though the messaging needs to be revisited too.

            It will be so interesting to see what happens with the Fox News implosion. The market for that kind of right-wing propaganda is still going to be there, so will it all switch over to Facebook or will another network take its place? I have this dearly held wish that with the demise of Fox, the right wing propaganda machine will fragment and become ineffective, but I’m not holding my breath.

  • Me not sure

    I once heard a recording of Vincent Price doing a reading of a condensed version of Charles Sumner’s “The Crime Against Kansas” speech, and while not usually a fan of Price, his reading was brilliant. It was a sneering, sarcastic attack on the South and slavery and it resulted in the attack by Preston Brooks of SC pictured above. The speech is available on Spotify and can be bought at Amazon. I heartily recommend it.

  • “I made a mistake,” a supporter in the crowd shouted “Not in our minds!”
    This right here is why my suggestion of last night, of winning hearts and minds by actually talking to people and trying to confront BS with firm but kind facts, is complete and utter horseshit.

    • Kerrie Thomas

      Pre Tea Party a Republican politician would have gently scolded the person who shouted that and fully acknowledged that his aggressive behavior was a poor example for young people. 2 dozen years ago he would have dropped out of consideration for the House seat entirely. That’s what we’ve lost with the rise of FOX and the bullying cowards on right wing radio. 99% of them have done nothing in service of the country and have no reverence for the actual constitution.

  • Randy Riddle

    If you’ve always wondered what it would be like to live in a country where fistfights regularly break out in the halls of the Federal legislature, you appear to be poised to find out.

    • Claire

      I can’t lie, I have sometimes wondered how discourse on the floor of the Senate would be different if Al Franken just grabbed a horsewhip and started beating Mitch McConnell with it.

      • Stulexington

        “And it’s Sanders off the top rope! Oooooh that’s gotta hurt.”

      • phoenix00

        Would Mitch just…. turtle??

        (I’m here all week. Try the veal.)

    • phoenix00

      Just check out South Korea or Taiwan!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v7ICW1w9xg

  • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

    “Has something been lost in us becoming maybe over the line in terms of every touch, every glance, every attempt at settling a circumstance is punishable by law?”

    Oh jeebus, I just…I can’t even.

    It was not a touch, glance, or “settling” – it was grabbing a dude by the throat, sitting on him and punching him.

    “is punishable by law”
    Well, our ELECTED lawmakers felt the need to punish such things so they passed LAWS, laws that PUNISH people for that behavior…that sentence is just…

    *sigh*
    Fuckers.

    • With her same breath she will preach that liberals are the violent ones because they throw stuff at a cop or light a car on fire.

  • miss_grundy

    I am not surprised by this. The rural areas of our country have too many ignorant people. I wish I could feel sorry for these people. Perhaps when Dolt 45’s budget adversely affects them, let’s see if they will like being punched in the face because they want answers from this thug.

    • Pisto75666

      They won’t go to him for answers. They’ll just blame Obama/Hilary.

      • generalleeme

        Of course they will because Fox News and Rusbo told them to.

  • Raan
  • Rick Hill

    “but now, in this culture, if you respond with any kind of anger, that’s a terrible ”

    You know, funny thing, if you did strike out at a conservative, they’d be on the phone to a lawyer before they had a chance to put some Bactine on their little boo boos

    • Remember how they had to shut down a furry con because someone mentioned on Twitter that they want to punch a Nazi?

    • Pisto75666

      Any conservative who complains about Liberals being too sensitive…wait ’til December & say anything but ‘Merry Christmas’ to them and watch what happens.

  • Nasty Candy Apple

    I got halfway through this, but sorry, Dok, I can’t finish it, because I need to go drink some tequila now. :(

  • norcalOG

    Reminds me of the time Jesus had a Roman soldier in his
    face, and he told Peter to gut him so he–Jesus–could get away. But Peter,being slow, only cut the guy’s ear off. Fortunately, Jesus was able to repair the ear and did not charge the Roman troublemaker, thus endearing him forever to Italians. His own followers cheered him for his wit and cunnng.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      Cool story, bro.

  • Mysterious Masked Wrestler

    What pisses me off the most about all these stupid ass “if you wave your mouth, don’t be surprised when a real man fights bacck!” responses is that the journalist DIDN’T DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT. He didn’t step up to that politican and say, “hey, Gianforte, your mother’s a whore!”, or heckle him, or really give him any kind of cause, even and unreasonable one. He just asked that useless bastard a perfectly valid question, and the broke-brain human trash are cheering him on for punching him. FUUUUUCK these people.

    • Magyar Has Had It With Trump

      But how do you really feel about this?

      • roberteye

        Audio plus FOX reporter eyewitness account told the true, unassailable story, made his Sean Spicer wannabe spox out to be a gawdam liar, and forced bullboy’s “apology”.

  • Incoming Ham

    I picked the wrong week to stop….

  • BreakingDeadMen

    I won’t be moving to Montana, soon…

    • Ferroequinologist Ron

      Yippee-kye-yo-kye-yay.

    • girdyerloins

      So, who’ll be our dental floss tycoon?

      • BreakingDeadMen

        Quentin Robert DeNameland

  • roberteye

    Montana vote, despite Chuck Frodd seeing it as a dem #fail predicting a 2018 fail, says xenophobia and racism are far more compelling issues than losing ones healthcare, dirtying up ones environment, and risking climate catastrophe. I’m figuring had Rep-elect Greg Bodyslamme (Dumshit-MT) done this 2 weeks ago, that would’ve just been an added shitload of deplorable votes #”weforgiveyou!”

    • generalleeme

      What has happened to the critical thinking skills of a few too many Montanans? I hardly recognize what has happened to my home state. The exodus of jobs, education failures, deceptive (LYING) Republican leadership, Fox News and talk radio have all contributed to this tragic decline and hollowing out of the middle class.

      Gianforte is but a shallow copy of the earlier day Copper Kings with him hitting the jackpot being in the right place at the right time peddling CRM software. His goofy bible thumping notions are just an inch short of a psych hold.

  • Zyxomma

    I wish my dear friend, who left lower Manhattan for the wilds of Pittsburgh, were here to participate in this discussion. In her opinion, Montana, Wyoming, North and South Dakota, and Minnesota should all be one state. Hey old friend, how about throwing in Nebraska and Idaho while we’re at it? Maybe even Iowa. I’d be perfectly happy if all that landmass were represented by only two senators. Not sure what the combined population would be, so I don’t know how many representatives they’d send to Congress.

    • sweet freedom

      Well, those of us that live in Minnesota, the only state in the union that didn’t vote for Reagan in 1984 and is still pretty fucking progressive, might take issue with you and your friends desire to lump us in with hicksville.

  • Jerry Noneofyourbizz

    I’m not going to scroll through all the comments but has anyone coined, “Congressmen-elect Giantfart”, yet? ‘Cause I think, “Giantfart”, is an appropriate moniker.

  • Celtic_Gnome

    …the Constitution does not say people convicted of crimes are barred from serving…

    But, in a lot of states, they are certainly barred from voting.

  • phoenix00

    So can Ben Jacobs sue Rush Limbaugh for libel/misrepresentation? Asking for a friend….

  • Moosecrackers

    No comment about the decision by the Republican sheriff who contributed to GG’s campaign to charge him with a misdemeanor rather than a felony? The county attorney is supposedly reviewing the decision, but there’s even a question about objectivity there – said attorney is another fundamentalist who goes to the same church as GG.

    By the way, the “they’re all rubes in Montana” argument reprised in the comments here loses a bit of traction when you realize that early voting is legal and popular here, and 2/3 of the total vote count had already been cast when the Assault Criminal attacked the reporter. (I wonder if the people who comment here know that GG is a young-Earth creationist who thinks dinos and humans coexisted, and that he was born in San Diego, grew up in the Philly area, and spent a chunk of his business career in New Jersey – thus his nickname here of Jersey Gianforte – i.e., that his bizarre and contemptible personality developed elsewhere.)

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  • SeeTrain65

    Did anyone mention to “Good Ol’ Greg” that Washington is flooded with reporters?

    He’s going to have to body slam the entire press corps just to get to the House chamber.

    • generalleeme

      Gianforte sent out his 1st press release announcing he will schedule a series of “Beats and Greets with Liberal DC Journalists” once his assault charge is adjudicated in Bozeman. Oddly no video or audio will be allowed at the sessions.

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