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And yes, there’s a furry Nazi novel called ‘The Furred Reich’

Yet another weird week, with the usual collection of oddness and derp, so let’s put on our $3000 anthropomorphic animal costumes and jump right in. What’s that? You don’t have one? Weirdo. The point is, we heard from a few folks who were not terribly happy with our story about the cancellation of Denver’s big Furball, the Rocky Mountain Fur Con (RMFC), thanks to a whole bunch of drama and weirdness that involved Nazi furries, alleged threats of violence that led to high security fees at the hotel, and, oh, yes, an organizer who turned out to be a (probably) sovereign citizen who hadn’t paid taxes for a long while. Also, (definitely) a convicted sex offender. We thought we’d done a pretty fair job of offering our sympathies to the furry fandom for having been infested by neo-Nazi furries, but apparently we were all unfair and stuff, as “Aaron R,” who created a single-comment Disqus account just to tell us off, informed us. Apparently, we were even more unfair and terrible than one of the sources we used:

Wow, just when I thought the Dog Patch Press article would stand forever as the worst-written account of this situation, you guys dropped that bar to the floor and waltzed right under it. Bravo!

We certainly appreciate the compliment! We also heard from “Braheem Hazeem III,” who explained the convention’s problems had nothing to do with neo-Nazis in fursuits, but were all caused by a Twitter comment from someone who wasn’t planning to go to the convention, who had said Nazis should be punched, and who was then told it’ll be funny when someone shoots her. Also, there are apparently no actual neo-Nazis in fursuits, because those nasty Social Justice Warriors just lie about everything:

Actually it was cancelled cause some ignorant sjw made physical threats of violence. Cause real nazi accept gays into their groups right? Also don’t they actually practice white supremicy? Something that there is no actual evidence of. I dare any of you that are spreading this crap to find ANY evidence of this nazi behavior, and no, armbands with paws on it doesn’t make you a nazi.

BH III went on to explain further why all this judginess about Nazi furries is so irritating:

I read through the drama, it started with threats that lead to costing the hotel around 22k for security, which is why it was cancelled. But what really pisses me off is It is an insult to those who have died and suffered under the conditions of actual fascism. Not this, “my feelings are hurt” crap.

Hmm. Where to start? We suppose we can tackle the last point first: True, the current wave of “alt-right” fans of white nationalism and Trump haven’t actually annexed the Sudetenland or built any concentration camps. They’re just really big fans of those who did, and delight in the lulz they get from trolling Jewish reporters on Twitter with anti-Semitic cartoons, and they’re only talking about restoring America’s racial purity, not actually doing any ethnic cleansing (yet). So that’s a very useful distinction.

As to HB III’s claim that wearing an armband resembling a Nazi armband doesn’t make someone a Nazi, we can agree to an extent — if you’re an actor in a WW II movie, for instance. Or even maybe if you’re a historical re-enactment hobbyist, although there the line gets fuzzier, or blurrier, or furrier. Most of the people we’ve known who just loved collecting Nazi regalia tended to think the Nazis were pretty cool guys, although of course we’re sure there are folks out there who have a purely historical interest in the stuff — thanks to my own hobby of debunking Holocaust deniers, I’ve acquired a few books about the era with swastikas on the spine.

But the notion that “Nazi furries” is just a slander made up by mean liberal media simply doesn’t hold up: If we’re being dared, we’ll cite this fine piece from New Statesman, which was actually published before all the RMFC drama. It’s a pretty thorough look at the various strands of far-right politics at work in the “#AltFurry” crowd, and observes, fairly enough,

beneath their costumes, furries are humans – and thus have as diverse a range of opinions as any other subsection of society. Some Nazi furries, therefore, are white-supremacists, and others are simply into kinky costumes. Others […] might hide in plain sight by wearing costumes but then deny holding Nazi beliefs. The whole thing, then, is incredibly complex.

But yeah, while not everyone who likes a bit of Nazi imagery is a white supremacist, there are indeed white supremacist furries who can’t wait to purge the earth of cultural degenerates, although some factions may be more friendly to gays than the historical Nazis were. There’s plenty of evidence of white nationalism among some furries, folks who happily advocate ethnic cleansing and sending dangerous leftists off to Mar-A-Gulago, which is why decent normal furries are making noise about it. Also, for a more detailed look at the furfoofaraw over the cancellation of RMNC, there’s also this detailed article, with interviews of most of the main people involved, at the Daily Beast, which only sounds like it’s a furry blog.

We also heard, on Twitter, from someone called “#BroniesForTrump,” who wanted to defend one of the “AltFurry” groups mentioned in the piece, the “Furry Raiders,” which originated the paw-mark armband that resembles the Nazi version:

That’s just, like, your opinion, man. As the Daily Beast piece explains, the Furry Raiders group created a lot of ill will at the 2016 RMNC when they maneuvered to reserve most of the rooms at the convention hotel, which is part of why they get mentioned in stories about this year’s cancellation — they pissed off a lot of people with that. And then there’s the group’s founder, “Foxler Nightfire,” the progenitor of those armbands. Foxler claims he just liked the look and knows little about WW II or politics (he insists the name isn’t a combination of Fox and Hitler, but instead Fox and Miller, his last name). Can’t imagine why anyone would think Foxler’s toying with Nazi symbolism, nope, not at all:

Much, much more on Foxler and the Furry Raiders in the Daily Beast and New Statesman pieces; we’ll note the Furry Raiders website has lots of messaging about equality and love and diversity, which could be backpedaling from their controversial reputation, but also, for some “AltFurry” folks, is about full equality for terrible ideas, like this weirdass image promoting the total nonjudgmental diversity of the furry community:

Awww, Hitler and Stalin fans, together again at last. That’s the kind of open-mindedness that can lead to your brain falling out. So sure, it’s “tolerance” — for the intolerable.

In any case, we had to ask “BroniesForTrump” what on earth a Trump fan would find appealing about My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, a cartoon show where the protagonists are literal social justice warriors who are all feminist and stuff; his reply told us plenty:

So he really likes how the show looks, and he likes the work of Lauren Faust, the show’s creator. Bit of a problem with that: Faust is herself a nasty social justice warrior whose current Twitter profile has a picture of Princess Leia and the phrase “We are the resistance,” and she doesn’t like Donald Trump one bit. She also wrote an essay for the Ms. Magazine blog in 2010 explaining her feminist intentions for the My Little Pony reboot, in reply to a post from someone who just didn’t get it. Among her goals:

There are lots of different ways to be a girl. You can be sweet and shy, or bold and physical. You can be silly and friendly, or reserved and studious. You can be strong and hard working, or artistic and beautiful. This show is wonderfully free of “token girl” syndrome, so there is no pressure to shove all the ideals of what we want our daughters to be into one package. There is a diversity of personalities, ambitions, talents, strengths and even flaws in our characters–it’s not an army of cookie-cutter nice-girls or cookie-cutter beauty queens like you see in most shows for girls. […]

You can be friends with people who are vastly different from you. And even though all friendships have their share of disagreements and moments when you don’t get along, that does not mean that your friendship has to end.

We’ll speculate she didn’t exactly mean that spirit of tolerance should extend to people with truly abhorrent views, like white nationalism.

The link that BroniesForTrump included really led down a rabbit hole: It’s to a bizarre little post from a guy who takes neo-Nazi phrases and reframes them with pastel cartoon ponies:

“We must secure the existence of our people and a future for pony foals”

“Because the beauty of the Wise Pony Alicorn princesses must not perish from equestria.”

That’s an adaptation of the white nationalist “14 words” slogan, “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.” Cute, huh?

So it turns out that “AltBrony” is a thing, and it’s a small bunch of loons (or trolls?) who insist that, never mind what the show’s creators may have said, MLP is really about white purity and European cultural superiority. The guy who wrote it, “FarRightDiscord,” just loves combining Nazi rhetoric and imagery with the feminist children’s show. Some examples:

You get the idea. According to this guy, if you read it the right way, My Little Pony is secretly full of pro-Nazi messaging, a “redpilling show with ethnocentrist solar Reich of 1000 years[.]” This should supposedly be a hilarious joke on the foolish voice actors like Tara Strong (Twilight Sparkle), who’s Jewish, and John de Lancie (Discord), not to mention Lauren Faust, all of whom regularly post anti-Trump messages to Twitter. What fools! They’re really priming children to embrace Nazism!

The death of the author indeed!

Once again, we’re left with the question of why rightwingers are so very bad at pop culture. It’s difficult to gauge how much of this “AltFurry” and “AltBrony” crap is serious, and how much is just trolling, or whether there’s even a meaningful difference. As Uncle Kurt Vonnegut reminded us in Mother Night, his own novel about a guy masquerading as a Nazi, “We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.”

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  • TJ Barke
  • weejee

    The Nazi Furries should have a Hair Bawl next week at Hair Fuhrer’s Frack You Fest the same night as the LSM’s Correspondent’s Dinner.

    • Nounverb911

      Also Sam Bee’s “Not the White House Correspondents Dinner”, too also.

  • Chadwells
  • Nounverb911

    Is it okay to punch a ‘furry-nazi’?

    • lowenufc

      if the word “nazi” is involved, in any way, the answer is yes.

    • Shoto

      It would be irresponsible not to do so.

    • An Outhouse for the Resistance

      Swat them on the butt.

    • Elvis Causticfellow

      Rub their fur in the wrong direction.

  • Johnnymoreno

    On the upside, I don’t think there’s any chance of them actually breeding.

    • I take it you’ve not seen the beginning of Idiocracy…

  • Pinkham’s Law

    The rules of logic don’t work the same way in their world, then?

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Cause real nazi accept gays into their groups right?

    Well, they were OK with Milo until his “what’s a little sex between kids and adults?” tape came out, so…

    • Duke

      That Milo! Such a provocateur! You have to know when “just joking” means “Just joking about just joking” and then he’s everyone’s favorite gay cousin whatever you want to believe.

    • Werewolf

      Ernst Röhm too, also.

    • KnaveOfSwords

      They liked Milo because he lived down to their stereotypes of gay men while telling them that they could act as racist and homophobic as they wanted, and the fact that they read his articles would act as a perfect defense against anyone calling them on it.

      • Celtic_Gnome

        I have serious doubts about Milo’s sexuality. He’s like every Fox News gay stereotype rolled into one. Which might just be coincidence if it weren’t for the fact that he’s trying so hard it’s obvious.

  • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

    I don’t think I have enough haz-mat suits on hand to even begin to wade into this one.

  • Anna Elizabeth

    I suppose we have to presume that no one becomes a member of the “Alt-Right” or “Neo-Nazis” without being blind to empathy and stupid.

    I used to want to do WW2 re-enactment, but it’s a hideously expensive hobby, and since I’ve come out the only uniforms that seem suitable to me are either a female Sniper or Tank Commander of the Red Army of Workers and Peasants. Also, the few collectors I’ve known that re-enacted German forces were also too the Conspiracy/Fringed-flag type, so yeah.

    As a scale modeler and wargamer, it’s difficult at times. My bookshelf and model collection might look funny to someone that isn’t into these things. Books with swastika and/or Sigrunen on the spines, model kits of Tiger, Panther, and other German armor, and perhaps especially my 1/100 scale force to play “Flames of War”, an SS-Schwere Kompanie of six Tiger E tanks, including Tank Ace Michael Wittman, for battles in Normandy, where I SS Panzer Korps faced the British in a series of massive clashes.

    I find myself at times apologetic for my interests, and I think it’ll be a little easier if I can scrape up the cash for the other force I want, British Guards Armoured, with Sherman and Sherman V “Firefly” tanks. But I am fascinated by the Germans and the SS especially. Their camouflage uniforms, their being issued more of the “cool” tanks, but I never gloss over the atrocities or the ugliness of the SS either. My late mother was certain we had relatives on her side of the family in the Waffen-SS, relatives that never returned from Russia. I showed her photographs, and she thought the SS uniforms were what she had seen in letters, not Heer Panzer crews.

    Anyway, it is indeed possible to have an interest in the history and technology while being repelled by the ideology.

    • Longstreet63

      How much do you need?

      • Anna Elizabeth

        For Guards Armored? I think 3 platoons of Shermans-each including 1 Firefly – and a platoon of British infantry w/ carriers or half-tracks. About $200.

        That should be a points match against my Tiger-Kompanie.

        • Longstreet63

          OK. I could fund that. How would I get it to you? Paypal?

          • Anna Elizabeth

            SRSLY? You don’t have to do that. It’s very sweet of you though. :)

          • Longstreet63

            I’m happy to, despite the fact that my car refused to start this morning.
            Anyway those Grenadier Guards can’t hold off the Waffen SS for long without 17-pounders.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            The Sherman Troop sets have parts for Sherman Vs and Firefly Vcs. I wont lie, I’d love to have some new minis to work on..

          • Longstreet63

            I’d also love for you to have new minis to work on. Just figure out how I give you money and we can both be happy.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            Amazon? They have the Sherman Armoured Troop sets. I can give you my eMail, and then I can eMail pix when they are done.

          • Longstreet63

            Works for me. I’m just loathe to drop email addresses on public comments sections. How do you want to do it?
            I’m intermittently online today as I’m working out a tow and repair for my car, Violetta. But I will be checking in.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            OK, thank you so much! ~hugs~

            I have a junk eMail I can give you, and from there I can give you the one that will work. LMK when ready. :)

          • Longstreet63

            Lay it on me. MilHistory folks gotta stick together.

          • Anna Elizabeth
          • Longstreet63

            On the way.

          • Longstreet63

            That address was rejected…

          • Anna Elizabeth

            I’m sorry, it might be too new. . If you still want to try, here is aestartrekgirl@gmail.com

          • Longstreet63

            Sent.

          • Longstreet63

            Gift card sent. Enjoy.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            ~hugs~

    • Stulexington

      I’ve been a war buff, particularly a WW II war buff for many decades and early on I realized something: you can like the equipment and hate the war it was used in. The idea of people dying especially in war disgusts me but I’m still fascinated by the machines of war, especially navy.

      Also too: you can acknowledge Germany had the better stuff without accepting any of the crap being put out by the German government. This one actually goes back to Star Trek where Kirk was expressing admiration for the abilities of Khan and his fellows. Understanding your enemy’s strengths is important in defeating him, it doesn’t make you like him in any way.

      • Anna Elizabeth

        Well put, thank you. :)

        I like the naval war too, especially US Navy in the Pacific.

      • Spending a little time focusing on Patton&Rommel when hitting that chapter, or Uesugi and Takeda when Japan is brought up would probably be a good idea.
        Pretty sure there were a few Romans but can’t remember the names offhand.

  • Duke

    I learn so much on Wonkette.

    AltBronies? I mean, whoda thunk it?

    In the end, I realize that I’m really, really boring.

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      Boring is safe, though.

      • data_ninja

        But never make “boring” your safe word.

        • The Wanderer

          Mine is “blue.”

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      AltBronies are proof that ‘interesting’ is over-rated.

    • They predate the furries, actually. Heck, they predate both those terms too. I suppose because of the franchise’s overarching monarchy theme, sometime in the early-mid 1990s the Bulgarian nationalists (and some German Reichsbürger) began using it for propaganda purposes. Artist ThisCrispyKat is one of the products of that era.
      I wish I knew more about Bulgarian events than that because I can’t even guess how that came about. The first ‘official’ US one was one H.M. Ogburn, but her stuff either predates a lot of Internet archival methods or was exclusively Usenet and BBS.

  • TJ Barke

    Hey, nazi furries, you do know that your ideological forbears would have rounded you all up and killed you for being deviants, right? Think about that next time you look upon nazism with any kind of admiration…

    • ifyalikeityashuldaputasw19onit

      Useful idiots are useful.

    • Vel Venturi

      They really are on board with the Leopards Eating Peoples’ Faces Party, after all.

      • ifyalikeityashuldaputasw19onit

        Welp, leopards, innit?

    • I dunno, something tells me that Ernst Röhm or Hermann Göring or possibly even Heinrich Himmler wouldn’t have been averse to putting on animal skins and frolicking with those similarly inclined. White Aryan men could get up to a lot of shenanigans on the downlow in the 3rd Reich.

      • TJ Barke

        Sure, elites on the downlow, but members of the public? I doubt they’d be shown lenience.

      • Hey, if the ancients did it, must be aryan-acceptable! Thule and Celts, nuff said.

    • Android Astronomer

      Heh. You said “forbears”.

      I’ll show myself out.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    It is an insult to those who have died and suffered under the conditions of actual fascism. Not this, “my feelings are hurt” crap.

    http://i.imgur.com/Fyw5RLj.gif

  • BMW
    • folderol

      I can only wonder rye.

    • Nockular cavity

      Now there’s the kernel of an idea.

    • Jamoche
    • FlemmishSpy

      I can barley stand these puns.

      • Querolous

        Wheat is wrong with puns?

      • phoenix00

        The malt-right is not all right.

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    • Grokenstein

      (wants to make crack about an oven and irony; consumed with self-loathing)

  • BloviateMe

    I’m so confused by all of it.

    It’s sort of like going to a funeral with a friend for someone you don’t know. I’ll bake a casserole and look solemn over in the corner.

  • a_pink_poodle

    Guh, Nazi furries. I’m glad I got out of that scene before I saw that shit.

    • JD Mulvey

      I can’t tell which scene you mean… Are you a furry who’s disgusted by Nazis –or a Nazi who’s disgusted by furries?

      • a_pink_poodle

        YES I’M CLEARLY A NAZI WHO’S DISGUSTED BY FURRIES

    • An Outhouse for the Resistance

      I’m safe as long as there aren’t Nazi furries on acid or nazi furry bluegrass bands.

      • doktorzoom

        It would be an OK band name, though.

        • ifyalikeityashuldaputasw19onit

          Gaye Bikers On Acid Libels!!!!!!!!

      • theCryptofishist

        What about those bears at Disneyland?

  • JD Mulvey

    “Furred Reich,” lol…

    • Major_Major_Major

      Not to be confused with Nazi copraphiles and their Turd Reich.

      • JD Mulvey

        Or nearsighted Nazis and their Blurred Reich?

        • Major_Major_Major

          Or Nazi bison and their Herd Reich.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Wait–the only deleted comments in this week’s post are about the furries?

    I’ve heard the expression “make the fur fly,” but Jesus…

    And on that note, I’m off to day two of the LA Times Festival of Books, which is likely to be delightfully free of deleted commenters. Have a good day, everyone!

    • Anna Elizabeth

      Have fun, Cally! :)

    • An Outhouse for the Resistance

      jealous

    • data_ninja

      There was a book sale this past week where I work, and the proceeds went to benefit “Harvest for Hunger”. So imagine my surprise when looking through the (small) selection of offerings to see a politics section that had books from none other than Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and of course Trump. I’m pretty sure that in one form or another, all of them have voted (or rallied) against helping out the poor and the hungry at one point or another. But they probably get some sort of credit (read as: tax breaks) to say that their book sales helped out charities.

      It made me sick.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        It takes a special kind of right-wing jerk to buy that stuff (boosting the ratings), donate it to charity (taking a tax deduction), and hope to spread the derp as a bonus.

        • theCryptofishist

          So, is it ever acceptable to recycle books>

    • doktorzoom

      “Wait–the only deleted comments in this week’s post are about the furries?”

      Not at all! There are also comments from a Nazi Brony!

    • Panika MCD

      I have never met a book festival where there wasn’t derp material from people who want to publish books, but have never read one.

  • Randy Riddle

    “Dear Dead FDR: You won’t believe this, but we won the great war against Hitler and the Nazis so that American Nazis who dress up as furry cartoon characters to have sex or feel an affinity with make believe rainbow ponies could publicly complain that their feelings are being hurt …”

  • An Outhouse for the Resistance

    I can’t think of a Disney or even a Grimms Brothers fairy tale character that wears an arm band. Only Nazis wear arm bands.

  • Mahousu

    The whole thing, then, is incredibly complex.
    Perhaps, though I think it’s what’s called “needless complexity” in computer science terms. Once you’re a Nazi furry, the fine details of it don’t really matter.

    • data_ninja

      That’s along the lines of “If it isn’t broke, it doesn’t have enough features yet!”

    • Troj

      I’d say the details matter insofar as they can help you to gain enough insight into someone to deal with them appropriately or strategically. I have a tendency to split hairs in this area, but it’s all because I ideally want people to be smart and strategic in how they deal with people like these.

      But, I’m not down with the common claim that it “doesn’t count” or “doesn’t matter” if someone is “just trolling” or “just joking.” Bad behavior is bad behavior. In that regard, people do have a tendency to introduce “needless complexity” to situations where bad behavior just needs to be condemned.

  • Kiri the Unicorn

    Vonnegut was right of course, which is why I’d ask a nazi furry, “Geez, why not pretend to be something that’s affirmative and likable?”

    • Troj

      Honestly, because they’ve come to confuse/conflate being hated, feared, or resented with being admired or respected, and/or because they just want attention, and don’t care whether it’s positive or negative.

  • doktorzoom

    Also, before angry Trekkies come after me, I have corrected “John De Lancie” to “John de Lancie.” Wonkette regrets the error, and hopes to escape the wrath of the Q Continuum.

    • Kiri the Unicorn

      Put down that phaser, Anna.

      • doktorzoom

        Beeelaaaaaayyyyy thaaaaaat Phaaaaaaaassserrrr Orrrrrderrrrrr

        • Anna Elizabeth

          You’ve redeemed yourself, Dok. XD

          “Stop competing with me, Decker!”

        • Nounverb911
          • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

            “Close that door?”

        • Jeffocaster in the desert

          phoooooooooooooooootoooooon toooooooooorpeeeeeeeedoes……

          • MizzMazz

            “Awwaaaay!”

      • Anna Elizabeth

        XD Just because I have the temper of Ben “Don’t F’ with The” Sisko and the mental stability of Kathryn Janeway doesn’t mean I was about to go on a long Samuel L. Jackson-style tirade against Dok.

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      You may need to spend some time as a Markoffian sea lizard for your transgressions.

    • Stulexington
      • The Wanderer

        Gotta love Worf’s reaction.

      • Anna Elizabeth

        I gotta make a Custom Crusher-Pegasus now.

      • doktorzoom

        One of these days, the DHX Media animators are going to take the plunge and put Discord in a Starfleet admiral’s uniform. Or at least have him say “mon Capitaine.” Sure, the fandom already has. But it needs to be canon.

        • The Wanderer

          Probably the 200th “Son of Fanservice Episode” episode.

        • CMC x Discord: the one comic that needs to make the leap onto the show.

  • Anna Elizabeth

    I feel the need to point out that many of the reactions to the Nazi Furries story hurt the feelings of some of our friends here.

    We have Furries here, folks, and they are like the Furries I’ve personally known: fun, sweet, inventive people that enjoy a hobby that draws a lot of scorn from all corners of fandom and the Norms.

    My guess is that the “Nazi Furries” are much like the assholes I’ve run into in wargaming and etc. loud, ignorant, and god at drawing negative attention.

    • ifyalikeityashuldaputasw19onit

      Spot on. However, people are sensitive and (sometimes rightly so) hyper-defensive when their hobby/lifestyle is brought up, so…. you know, ….

      That said, Nazi Furries can fuck off.

      HTC

    • Little Doll–MOAMF

      Thank you! My comment on that article, concerning the furry who has also played a Confederate soldier in re-enactions?

      My son.

      Though to be honest, though he identifies as a furry, it’s not a primary interest. His roommate is very into it though. He even often goes out with us wearing a tail he clips to his belt. :)

    • Panika MCD

      I thought he did a decent job of explaining that because it’s a subculture, their political opinions run the gamut which would add up to a few Furries banging about dick joke emporiums like our Wonkette.

      • Anna Elizabeth

        Dok certainly did, but some commenters were not as aware of the differences.

        • Panika MCD
          • Anna Elizabeth

            Interesting link, thank you.

          • Panika MCD

            no problem.

          • Panika MCD

            to be fair, I don’t get the whole thing because it looks SUPER uncomfortable, but no one’s pressuring me to go to their conventions and they’re not complaining about my choosing to spend a month with a bunch of hippies every year.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            Sure, It’s def. not to everyone’s interest.

          • Mark Lungo

            Read and enjoyed the article, but it gets one thing wrong; it starts by saying that “the true heyday of American bigotry has come and gone.” Ah, 2014! We were so innocent back then… so naive…

          • Panika MCD

            we were truly innocent, weren’t we?

    • Kiri the Unicorn

      “We have Furries here, folks, and they are like the Furries I’ve
      personally known: fun, sweet, inventive people that enjoy a hobby that
      draws a lot of scorn from all corners of fandom and the Norms.”

      Yes, that was my experience with the fandom as well. I might have implied otherwise; I hope I didn’t.

      • Anna Elizabeth

        I don’t think *you* did Kiri. I know a few that were kind of hurt by the whole reaction, though.

  • ifyalikeityashuldaputasw19onit
  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

    Let me guess, Neo-Nazi Furries call liberals and other Democrats “snowflakes”, right?

    lol

  • proudgrampa

    My God. Have I been asleep??? Furry Nazis? Where did this come from???

    I need to start drinking more…

    • BloviateMe

      You and me both.

      I got the first round, friend.

  • azeyote

    the Banana Splits wouldn’t approve –

    • ifyalikeityashuldaputasw19onit

      The Hair Bear Bunch were not available for comment.

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    OT: For the F1 fans (all 6 of us!), just got back from Alonso’s presser on running the Indy 500. Gil de Ferran will be his coach, which I found interesting. When asked what his other F1 peers thought about all of this, Alonso responded, “We don’t talk much. I think some are happy for me. Some are never happy about anything.” LOL
    https://twitter.com/CogitoErgoBibo/status/856176542879240192

    • Nounverb911

      Only six? We need to work on that.

      • Anna Elizabeth

        There might be as many as 8 or 9 of us.

        F1 Fans, Roll call!

        Anna!

        • CogitoErgoBibo

          Cogito!

        • Nounverb911
          • Anna Elizabeth

            Such an awesome photo. :)

          • Nounverb911

            They held the race during a damn typhoon….

          • Anna Elizabeth

            Suzuka?

          • Nounverb911

            Yes. We were SO wet when it was called after Bianchi’s crash….

          • Anna Elizabeth

            Oh, I can only imagine. I’d love to attend a European GP someday, Monza or Monaco especially.

        • Good_Gawd_Yall

          Me, somewhat meh-ly.

          • CogitoErgoBibo

            We take all kinds. Even the meh ones. :-)

        • phoenix00

          I’ve been meh on open-wheel since CART left town way back when then imploded. More of a WRC & tin-top touring-car kinda guy.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            I could get into WRC. I saw the Pikes Peak Hill Climb in 2003 when the late Great Colin McRae raced in it. :)

          • phoenix00

            Ahh Mr. If-in-doubt, Flat-Out! The heart of WRC died when he and Richard Burns passed.

    • Anna Elizabeth

      Alonso is brilliant! :D I hope he does very well, I’ll be watching.

  • anon_the_great

    Please forgive me but that last image is unsettlingly appealing

    • anon_the_great

      Replace the swastika with a uterus…

  • folderol

    Next from the AltBronies: My Little Culling

    • eggsacklywright

      Derp will set you free.

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      Crystal Sparkle Nacht.

    • eggsacklywright

      Mane Kampf.

      • Querolous

        A retelling of the Überpherde mythos of F. Neighsche.

  • crunchyknee

    Just another reason that I glad that I recently moved from Denver.

    1. Idiot trustafarians and WEED!
    2. 30000000000000000000000000 millions people ruining my old neighborhood.
    3. Nazi Furries (sheesh)

  • ManchuCandidate

    Can’t wait for when these clowns enlist to cosplay for the 18th SS Panzer PferdttotenBronzkrieg Division.

    • ifyalikeityashuldaputasw19onit

      More likely to be cosplaying in Dachau before the end of the night. (and not in the way they were expecting).

    • Biel_ze_Bubba
      • Anna Elizabeth

        Heer, not SS. That Tiger E is in the weird green that were issued to Panzerarmee Afrika.

        What, you think Anna fucks around with this stuffs? XD

        • Biel_ze_Bubba

          Sheesh. Here, fix it yourself:
          http://i.imgur.com/s5Xlwl3.png

          • Anna Elizabeth

            OOh, Derpy is in a Pershing! I have a Pershing! 1.35 scale, of course.

    • doktorzoom
      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        Is that . . . Darth Vader?
        How far back are these damned prequels going to go?

      • Anna Elizabeth

        Uhlan. Trust Imperial Germany to choose a name that connotes Barbarism.

        The British had Lancers too, and I believe at least some French Hussars were still carrying lances in 1914.

        • The Wanderer

          Bill the 2nd, as I recall, was the schlub who popularized the word Hun when describing Germans. He used it when sending off the troops who helped quell the Boxer Rebellion in China.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            Yup. “You shall conduct yourselves as did Attila and his Huns” was the parting message from the Kaiser.

            Kaiser Wilhelm II was a supremely stupid man, whom had a case of dreadnought-battleship envy that makes Tacticool Mall Ninja look almost normal.

          • The Wanderer

            He was also deeply insecure, and had an inferiority complex about his English relatives.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            Yeah. You know who *else* was a deeply-insecure needle-dick with an Anglo-Inferiority Complex?

          • The Wanderer

            A certain Austrian terrier mutt?

          • Anna Elizabeth

            Ja

          • The Wanderer

            I had a drawing done of Herr Dumbass, after actually devoting some thought to what species he’d be. I settled on canine, mutt, with some terrier to explain his energy and temper.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            I like that idea!

          • The Wanderer

            I do a bit of research before I make an actual historical personage furry. That said, here ya go:
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/677d54748b291ef5a46b69ac1a7d98efebaa53ababe0e8607f7db3f22648a916.jpg

          • Anna Elizabeth

            That’s good artwork! :) I used to have a colored pencil work of Timber Wolves done by a famous Furry artist, but I think it was lost in my move.

          • The Wanderer

            Thank you! I try to find good artists, at reasonable prices. I had to discuss this with him for a few minutes and explain things before he agreed to take the job on.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            I can imagine – vis-a-vis my wargaming hobby, etc.

  • Panika MCD

    you’d think the fastidious Herr FarRightDiscord, AltBrony Fuhrer, would have spell checked that second image before posting as it is “stylized”, not “stilized”. he is a very bad little Nazi indeed with all that being into contraband and not checking his work to make sure it is Aryan PERFECT before submitting it to the rest of us to make fun of.

    • H0mer0

      [I woulda thought that spell check would alert him but maybe he thinks it’s a tool of the Israelite.]
      Why would they put so much care into the arm band if they didn’t mean to allude to the Nazi armband? It’s like the sheriff star of David.

  • Nockular cavity

    Pardon me, but

    ethnocentrist solar Reich

    Fucking fuckity what the fuck?

  • Jack Rogue Tenhet

    Nazis have been co-opting pop culture for a while, it’s just bubbling to the surface now.

    John Carpenter blasted white supremacists for claiming that his movie, They Live was about Zionist conspiracy.

    it’s not. Carpenter maintains that the film has always been about the Reagan era and the aliens John Nada sees are representative of the greedy capitalism of the time. He made the film to critique Reagan in a time when critiquing him was not the best idea.

    Carpenter is, of course, correct. I am a fan of the man’s work and a fan of this film in particular. Years ago, maybe a decade or more ago, I bought the special edition on DVD, mostly for the director’s commentary. I’m a film nerd in that sense. This was before the public rise of internet Nazism. This is what he had to say.

    “Well, ‘They Live’ was a
    primal scream against Reaganism of the ’80s. And the ’80s never went
    away. They’re still with us. That’s what makes ‘They Live’ look so fresh
    – it’s a document of greed and insanity. It’s about life in the United
    States then and now. If anything, things have gotten worse.”

    It’s clear that neonazis are both insufferable trolls and willfully ignorant on the meaning of pop culture beyond twisting it to forward their own failed arguments.

    If you have to steal and distort to make your point then you have no point.

    • doktorzoom

      As always, Wonkette is ON IT

      • Anna Elizabeth

        Holy Shit.

      • Jack Rogue Tenhet

        Yup! That’s what I come here on Sundays for. :D

    • Anna Elizabeth

      I adore They Live, and the film has only become *more* relevant since it’s release.

      It’s quiet willfully stupid for anyone to claim the aliens are “Zionists” when both the text and subtext of the film are so plain.

      • Jack Rogue Tenhet

        No kidding. I wonder if these Nazis realize that Carpenter pretty much owes his career to Mustapha Akkad, a Syrian refugee who was killed at a wedding a few years back.

        • Anna Elizabeth

          Probs no, that would require being able to read and comprehend.

          I think Lion of the Desert is a good film, myself.

    • ifyalikeityashuldaputasw19onit

      It’s a shame that the word “globalism” has recently been infected/become a dog-whistle for anti-semitism – because the purer sense of the word is what it’s actually about.
      “Unfettered capitalism” will have to do, I suppose. Stupid word-pirates!

  • UnsaltedSinner

    Nazi symbolism has certainly taken some turns I did not expect.

  • JD Mulvey

    That one image suggests that there are Stalinist furries. I expect a full Wonksplainer on my desk by Tuesday.

    • Nounverb911

      What about ‘furry-trumps’?

    • The Wanderer

      While not a Stalinist furry, I have commissioned a bit of art depicting Stalin as an anthropomorphic avian. Specifically, a European starling (whose range includes the Republic of Georgia).
      Get it? Iosif Starling?
      I also have Leon Trotsky (horse) and N. Lemming (Northern pika).
      I’ll show myself out.

      • Amy!

        N. Lemming?

        I’m trying to match it up; you mean Vladimir Il’ich Lenin? Whence the ‘N’?

        • The Wanderer

          Yeah. Volodya used “N. Lenin” as his revolutionary nom de guerre. Lemmings are not native to the region he was born in, but Northern Pikas are.

          • Amy!

            Huh. Cool.

            I actually did research for the dissertation on the history of one particular Russian province in the 1920s (New Economic Policy era), and only now am learning that Lenin used ‘N’ as a first initial. LSNED, right?

          • The Wanderer

            Absolutely!

      • JD Mulvey

        Is there a point when the puns become more important than the substance? Give us a holler when you reach it.

    • mailman27

      I hope someone is taking steppes to make that happen.

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      This is not good news for the Royalty.

    • Contemplative Ron
      • JD Mulvey

        That’s, uhm… interesting.

  • snark-lurker

    i donut understand this neo nazi thing, furry or not, nor white supremacist/alt-right shit. how can this even be ?

  • Nockular cavity

    Why are there furries, but no scalies, or featheries? Fucking (Linnaean) Classists!

  • Ryan Denniston

    OT: I believe the descriptor you are searching for is failed, Trump.

    http://www.wral.com/trump-at-100-days-it-s-a-different-kind-of-presidency-/16660483/

    • Little Doll–MOAMF

      “It’s a different kind of presidency.” Says Trump.

      Yes, it is, thank the stars. We wouldn’t have made it to 1800 if this was the norm.

    • Jamoche

      “…he lost the popular vote to Democrat Hillary Clinton and had one of the narrower Electoral College victories in history.”

      Well, now they’re on his shit list.

    • Sophia

      “But he acknowledged that being commander in chief brings with it a “human responsibility” that he didn’t much bother with in business, requiring him to think through the consequences his decisions have on people and not simply the financial implications for his company’s bottom line.”

      When exactly is he going to start doing this?

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        Never. Is never good for you?

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      Failed. Terrifying. Abnormal. Reckless. Dangerous. Rabid. Unconscionable. What am I leaving out?

      • The Wanderer

        Ignorant.
        Abhorrent.
        Racist.
        Misogynist.
        And the list goes on . . .

  • Jeffocaster in the desert

    Anyone that evens hints at this neo-nazism is a sick fuck. Playing at a game that the most evil man ever devised is not something one plays with. Sic Semper Fascist. (see the VA state flag)

    • snark-lurker

      what makes people do that? well hell, there are also suicide bombers & serial killers…what a list it is, of actions I can not come to terms with

      • Jack Rogue Tenhet

        I’d add serial rapists and child molesters to that list, otherwise it’s a good list of what not to be.

        • snark-lurker

          i know! things were piling up in my head so fast i just sed “3’s enuff” & bailed

          • Jack Rogue Tenhet

            I do that all the time myself, just list the top three aloud. Otherwise, I’m listing all day.

  • Nick Scroggs

    I’m only back to say that this article cheered up my mom so much. She says “Thanks for the laughs, guys.” Also, this is the only site where I can get away with this dialogue form Curb Your Enthusiasm that I was reminded of for some reason when I saw that UKIP wants to ban the burka:

    Marty Funkhouser:[expressing astonishment after meeting Larry David and Shara just after they had very loud sex]Fuck me, Jew bastard?
    Larry David:Yeah. Small price to pay for the best sex I’ve ever had, anywhere! This woman is amazing.
    Marty Funkhouser:When did your orgasm? When she said she’d fuck the Jew out of you?
    Larry David:Hey, let me tell you something. The penis doesn’t care about race, creed
    and color. The penis wants to get to his homeland. It wants to go home!
    I will be back Thursday.

    • doktorzoom

      Glad to see you’re OK!

    • Anna Elizabeth

      ~hugs~ Good to see you Nick! See you Thursday!

  • Me not sure

    I, for one, am eagerly awaiting the opinions of the furry, Nazi, biker, death metal, meth dealer, brony, Hot Wheels collector, gun runner, foot fetishist faction, before I make up my mind.
    Then and only then can I be unsure enough to make a wise choice

  • guppy06

    Remember when the most heated arguments over My Little Pony were about Cheerilee versus that hussy Marble Pie?

  • VirginiaLady

    Is there nothing these creeps won’t degrade? Thank goddess baby goats are still pure and unviolated.

  • Finnabar87

    They better not mess with Lumpy Space Princess from ‘Adventure Time’.

    Watch out for the Banana Men, mofos.

    • guppy06

      Trump causes the Mushroom War.

  • UnsaltedSinner
    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      Way to uphold the principles of the Party of Personal Responsibility, Twitler.

      • Panika MCD

        this is one of those places where they flip the script and say that we should GIVE HIM A CHANCE!!!! because we really would like the shit with bits of broken glass in it if we tried it.

        it’s kind of like how when they do a one-size-fits all solution that is NOT WHAT THEY ARE DOING AT ALL, they are merely providing consistency and predictability.

        http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/10/27/undecided

        • Prof. T. Green Bastard

          Poor Mrs. Sedaris.

    • Nounverb911

      Personal responsibility, how does that work?

      • Jack Rogue Tenhet

        No idea. I never touch the stuff.

    • Nockular cavity

      So he treats it like any other contract? I AM SURPRIS-ED.

      • Panika MCD

        zing!

    • Panika MCD
    • Jamoche

      If only he’d ever had a job with a three-month trial period before… he’d never have held a job more than three months in his life.

    • Nounverb911

      “Stop making me keep my word, some people just don’t have a sense of humor.”
      –DJT

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/79f1f45520c11dfa10cd51f1fe13b93827eb940bc87ae9f8580401ccf91825d6.gif?w=600&h=265

      • clairence

        we all laugh at the Trump tantrums, but I’ve read a few things recently where they’re having an effect on government – people making decisions based on not making Trump angry. That’s not funny.

        • Little Doll–MOAMF

          Reminds me a lot of the last twenty-odd years of the reign of King Henry VIII. Looking at my family tree, I’m glad to see my Boleyn ancestors veering off into another last name about 4 generations back from him.

        • Panika MCD

          that’s the way this whole thing has been working this whole time. hence: alt-gov tweeter accounts and Congress reminding them who holds the purse strings.

    • Jack Rogue Tenhet

      Typical. Say something outrageous, when called on it, deny you ever said it. When pressed further, say you were joking.
      When pressed further, blame someone else for it.

      Yeah, the “Great Negotiator”. More like puffed up slumlord who begged, borrowed and stole in order to buy real estate on the cheap and flip it.

      • Sister the Resister

        He continually reminds me of that Rich Kid in the movie/afterschool special/teen-drama, who thinks he’s better than everyone, has no talent, constantly gets bailed out by dad and dad’s friends amd/or suckups, has a million excuses blaming others for his faults, etc etc etc. The usual Rich Kid in these scenarios always looks a little weird too. How can a 70 year old man get this far in life and be such a immature, scum-sucking idiot? It boggles the mind….

        • Jack Rogue Tenhet

          He’s like every kid villain in a John Hughes film.

        • doktorzoom

          Somehow, the poor nerd kids never end up dating Molly Ringwald or pushing the bully into the swimming pool after an inspiring speech the night of the big dance.

          • Sister the Resister

            Yet.

          • doktorzoom

            Anthony Weiner and Huma Abedin definitely don’t count, either.

        • lroom

          James Spader libulz! Also too that asshole from the Karate Kid movie but I don’t know his name.

        • Celtic_Gnome

          How can a 70 year old man get this far in life and be such a immature, scum-sucking idiot?

          Money. Without his father’s millions, he would have been stomped into a greasestain before he ever reached puberty.

    • Jack Rogue Tenhet

      This song. This original version from the ’76 Tony’s always pops into my head when I think about 45.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF0I-9p_yDM

  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    As a person who is not a furry or even much aware of my little pony except as toy figurines, I find this entire kerfuffle baffling. It’s as if you are all speaking in tongues. But, you know, I don’t feel the need to try to force you all to talk about quilting instead, or debate the merits of Emile Henry v Staub in cooking. If that makes me a Social Justice Warrior (for all I know, it may, in the minds of people who invade Wonkette to pout when we turn our attention to their faults and frailties) SO BE IT. Peace out, y’all. XD

    • SeekingResistanceBarbie

      I’m opposed to Nazis furtively invading any group but don’t really have anything to contribute to this conversation, which is a blessing, really, since I have too many things on my to-do list and can thus tear myself away from Wonkette and actually do them.

    • Résistance Land Shark Ω

      No debate … Staub is better, that is all. /snark

  • ifyalikeityashuldaputasw19onit

    OT – France : it *looks* like Macron (centre-left) and Le Pen (batshit-crazy) are going to make the cut for the run-off, but all four candidates are way too close in the polls to be certain.
    If so, that’d be good news as all moderates and left will coalesce behind Macron.
    However, the only thing for sure is nobody’s getting 50% in the first round.

  • memzilla Ω

    Others […] might hide in plain sight by wearing costumes but then deny holding Nazi beliefs.

    Undoubtedly part of the underground Furrth Column.

    • doktorzoom

      Thank goodness for the Furtht Amendment.

      • The Wanderer

        What about the Fecund Amendment? The right to yiff?

        • doktorzoom

          Nobody ever has any love for the Furred Amendment, which protects us from the government forcing homeowners to house cosplayers during conventions.

          • The Wanderer

            I bow to your word-fu.

          • HogeyeGrex

            Furred-wu?

  • clairence

    Aggressively proud guys playing with girl-themed colorful pony toys. Where’s the closet door?

    • The Wanderer
      • MizzMazz

        I dunno, the ‘Dud’ date looks like he’d be into good music, and have beer and weed.

        • The Wanderer

          1965: When some people still believed in conformity.

          • MizzMazz

            LOL, I was one year old when that came out. Grew up to be a freak myself, and hang with old Beats, hippies and punks. It’s been a fine life. :D

          • Anna Elizabeth

            Normals are so boring. :)

          • MizzMazz

            Gah, don’t remind me I have to go to work. At least we have one new guy who is interesting and smart, and funny, so we tend to hang out; it’s refreshing.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            :) That works. He’s the cute one you mentioned? The one that wants to be an AM?

          • MizzMazz

            Yeah, the little bugger ;). But he’s only on loan from San Jose, and is a young with plans to advance. Can’t blame him one bit, but I will miss him.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            :) Enjoy while you can, I guess. He sounds awesome.

          • MizzMazz

            I will. The smart ones always get out or move up. guess what that makes me? >:)

          • Anna Elizabeth

            Naw. ~hugs~

          • Celtic_Gnome

            Amen, sister.

          • Kiri the Unicorn

            “YES, WE’RE ALL INDIVIDUALS!”

          • The Wanderer

            “I’m not.”

      • clairence

        I don’t see why this game didn’t catch on.
        although it kind of looks like a version of Clue.

        • HogeyeGrex

          Colonel Mustard, in the Conservatory, with the Hitachi Magic Wand?

          • Biel_ze_Bubba

            Not all sleepovers are created equal.

        • Ω cynmac will never surrender

          Mystery Date was huge when I was a kid. I never owned a set, but I had friends who did. You’d get sucked into a game at a sleepover. It was lame in my opinion.

          • clairence

            My bad. As a male child of the 70s, I was not aware of this game until today.

          • Ω cynmac will never surrender

            NP. It predates Clue and even The Game of Life.

  • FDRliberal

    Trump is now threatening to kill healthcare insurance if he doesn’t get the money for his stupid fucking wall that Mexico was supposed to have paid for. This scumbag, blinded by his own mental illness, doesn’t realize that if health care insurance falls apart under his watch, he will be blamed.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/856150719656755200

    • Nounverb911

      Also, what did Lake Worth do to deserve this?
      https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/856147612952612864

      • FDRliberal

        Apparently Fox “News” showed some of Trump’s rabid, braindead fans praising him at some Lake Worth book signing event. The Toddler in Chief of course watches Fox “News” when he is not wasting our money at his Saddam’s Palace.

        • Master Contrail Program

          They spelled King Crock wrong in the link.

    • clairence

      more than “under his watch”, he’s making sure to take the credit for it… unless people don’t like that. then it’s the Dems’ fault. win-win.

    • Undocumented Skwerl!

      Glad to see you want to make even more people suffer Donnie!

      • Celtic_Gnome

        Hey, if it gets him what he wants…

    • Wellstone En Resistencia, Coño

      Let him. Then document the whole thing, put it out in hundreds of 30-second ads and tell people the way to get back at him is by voting against all Republicans in 2018. It may work.

    • Résistance Land Shark Ω

      Must have been constipated this morning from looking at the number of Gold Throne Tweets™

    • Amy!

      “Okay, youse guys! You Democrats better pay for my wall, or the whole Republican Party gets it!”

      Something a little wrong with this hostage situation?

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        Nope. I like it.

      • Saw Blazing Saddles too many times.

    • Jamoche

      The word “blame” has no meaning for him.

    • CripesAmighty

      Welp, the hickerati wanted to ‘blow shit up’. Here ya go…
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pXI1PDTp5gk

  • LarryHoudini

    Where’s a time machine when you need to send an AltFurry back to Nazi Germany to see how he’d fare? I bet some of these guys are handicapped gay gypsies as well.

    • Panika MCD

      they are not powered by votes so this is not an option.

    • Wild Cat

      That’s nothing. You never saw Visconti’s “The Damned,” did you?

      • LarryHoudini

        No, never heard of it. I’ll have to google that.

    • doktorzoom

      The guy who wrote the “Furred Reich” self-published novel has a blog post explaining that Nazis were into fursuits before anyone else: http://furredreichblog.com/2017/03/31/hitlers-furries-fursuiting-in-the-third-reich/

      • Panika MCD

        they peed on the whole wearing fur suits thing?

      • Carpe Vagenda

        I think if there are no yuletide stories this is a very small fandom.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/446c68da0546381a3e2645483fed7b9c053972caeddfc30d87f644a52b0c48fd.jpg

      • LarryHoudini

        Hmm, as a Furry himself, I would have imagined his idea of being one was more complex than some jerk in a polar bear costume promoting the zoo. But what do I know? I’m just an ignorant leftist that thinks Nazis were all about “collectivism” and “violence” and “systematic genocide.”

        • doktorzoom

          Nothing at all fascist-sounding here:

          there was no aversion to wearing fursuits in The Third Reich, as long it is done so in a social way and within the norms of German culture. That, right there, would be the difference between then and today. Furries today have used this fandom as a crutch to deviate from the broader culture, which I have always believed to be a mistake. The result of that mistake is that Furries have a terrible perception in the general public, and that perception is getting worse every day.

          • Biel_ze_Bubba

            “There was no aversion to wearing fursuits in The Third Reich.”[citation needed].

          • Contemplative Ron

            Based, it would seem, on a guy who wore a polar-bear mascot advertising the Berlin Zoo. Which is stretching the definition of ‘fursuiting’ WAY past the breaking point.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            *blinks audibly*

          • Contemplative Ron

            Jesus
            H
            Freaking
            CHRIST
            This guy is delusional even for a fascist wannabe.

          • theCryptofishist
          • HogeyeGrex

            Furries have a terrible perception in the general public

            As opposed to Nazis?
            Oy.

          • Mark Lungo

            Furries have a terrible perception in the general public, and that perception is getting worse every day

            “I wonder if people like me could be to blame? Naah, that’s crazy talk.”

      • HogeyeGrex

        Whoa.

        The ‘Nazi furs’ are, or at least should be, a reminder that being a Furry does not have to mean being antisocial.

        Because nothing says “not antisocial” quite like being a Nazi.

        • Biel_ze_Bubba

          They’re very sozialistische.

    • Jack Rogue Tenhet

      I always wonder about neo-Nazis in general. I mean, they’re not German. Nazis would have killed them all off if they’d had their chance.

      Nazism was all about der Fatherland and that was not the US.

      • Prof. T. Green Bastard

        Having a name & a cause unifies them & gives them a cover for their beliefs. They’d be a lot less of a problem w/o the actual Nazism- they’d just be called bigots & racists & they’d have to own their bullshit beliefs instead of hiding behind an established group.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        They think White = Aryan. And Amerika is Das Vaterland.
        Once you’ve decided that you’re the “master race”, Nazi philosophy is plug-and-play.

  • TJ Barke
  • Wild Cat

    Maybe those lunatics were right all along and Americans were being abducted by Soros-funded aliens from Galaxy Ronjeremyalpha8.789 and anal-probed and mind-probed and turned into GOP neo-nazis jacking off to kids’ shows.

    Beyond that, I can’t explain any of this.

  • Vincent Ricola

    Nazi furries and white supremacist feminist ponies. Fandoms sure have taken a dark turn since Buffy went off the air.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      In fairness so has Joss.

      • Contemplative Ron

        Reflecting the world around him.

        • Carpe Vagenda

          I think he was a bit ahead of the curve there

  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    While I’m as surprised as anyone to realize there are other parts of the internets besides Wonkette, I was fumbling around the other day and made a shocking discovery: there are actually people who are JUST NOW starting to wonder about this Twitler regime. They’re as panicky as if they’d just discovered they locked their keys in the car and they need to be at a job interview in five minutes. What in the actual world could be so all-enveloping that these first thirteen or eleven weeks or sixty to one hundred days (depending on your source) of the Downfall of Humanity have slipped right by them? I actually don’t have a snark for this – I’m just somewhat amazed. . . .

    • Panika MCD

      the same things that distract them from politics most of the time: job, kids, food, making rent, other hobbies.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        Yes indeedy. The installation of a new President is background noise to these witless wonders, and of less importance than tomorrow’s weather.
        I’m not entirely sure we want them to vote; fortunately it’s highly unlikely that they ever will.

        • Panika MCD

          remember when TXDept had to inform his class of paralegal students AND THE TEACHER that we should not, as Texans, leave the Railroad Commission up to people who like trains? even smart people have their blind spots. all of us do.

          • Biel_ze_Bubba

            Doesn’t the RRC regulate everything BUT railroads, because Texas?

          • Panika MCD

            just the oil and gas industry.

          • Panika MCD

            because: history.

      • ifyalikeityashuldaputasw19onit

        Strange I know, but most people think “politics” is boring.

        • Panika MCD

          and even politics people think I’m crazy for finding finance hearings interesting!

          • doktorzoom

            But only because that IS crazy….

          • Panika MCD

            except for the part where it is not House Appropriations and the other part where it is the whole ball game.

          • doktorzoom

            I kid, I kid. As a Molly Ivins fan, I know darn well that in all legislative bodies, appropriations are where we can most clearly see our public servants dancing with those what brung them.

          • Panika MCD

            it also offers the best opportunity to kill a bill you don’t like: no rider? no more bill.

            speaking of that particular book:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ee8713d15f7d5a62cecb7cbd47b67cbb51f293a861a6ed99edd1d5830a0a5739.jpg

          • doktorzoom

            Oh, my. Now THAT’S a thing to treasure!

          • ifyalikeityashuldaputasw19onit

            He hee! I have the same thing with planning application hearings.

          • Panika MCD

            those are just fucking annoying here because they involve all of my least favorite senators and, on the house side, Stickland.

      • MizzMazz

        Funny how most of us here have all those distractions, but we realize that politics have a great deal of effect on those everyday mundane tasks. the ones who don’t pay attention and don’t do the barest minimum (like vote) then wonder where all their clothes went, and why they can’t get medical care. I have little patience for people who can’t at least try to stay informed and do what they can, then whine when it affects them.

        • Panika MCD

          I have less patience for people who don’t have the time to fully invest and get bought over by slogans that fit on a bumper sticker!

          • MizzMazz

            One of my co-workers who was undecided in October was leaning Trump because Melania was pretty. Seriously.

          • Panika MCD

            it happens. again, some people think that if they don’t have time to devote to investigating the candidates, they’re better off not voting at all than making a mistake. I usually tell them to talk to me, look in the papers or blogs they agree with for their endorsements and, if all else fails, cast a blank ballot–because the more times they do, the more info they’ll get passively. I don’t say I don’t have patience for them or call them witless because I want to make voters of them in a manner that adapts the process to their lives since that works a whole lot better than knee-jerk derision.

      • Sister the Resister

        I think all of that + disempowerment = disengagement.
        A lot of the folks I know who “don’t do politics” feel like it’s a complete waste of time better spent in productive ways. They think they can have no effect, the bastards in DC/state capital/county commission/whatever don’t give a shit and will do what they want anyway, so why bother? They may or may not perfunctorily vote in November, and if they do, it’s often more in support of some family member or dear friend who does give a shit than for the politics involved.

        It’s hard for me to be mad at them, because their distaste for involvement really does come more from despair than anything. But I’m still plenty mad at the situation that creates people like this.

        • Panika MCD

          hey, if they want to vote because they’re trying to make me happy, I’m down with that.

    • Vecchioivan

      The polite term is “low information voter.”

      • TJ Barke

        I prefer “stupid motherfuckers”

        • Jack Rogue Tenhet

          Beat me to it.

        • Vecchioivan

          Succinct, but fair.

    • ariel_gee_398

      I think their existence is an argument in favor of limited campaign times, like they have in the U.K. Some people might be more inclined to pay a bit of attention if the campaign were only 3 months long.

      • ifyalikeityashuldaputasw19onit

        Canadians were like “OMFG get on with it FFS” when 2015 became the longest campaign ever, at an official 11 weeks.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Prolly binge-watching taped episodes of the Sarah Palin Channel on the their Betamax….for the last 6 months.

  • John Iwaniszek

    “Normal” furries?

    • The Wanderer

      Yes.

    • TJ Barke

      Normal insofar as they’re not fans of genocide.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      I think on a scale of zero to nazi cosplay it’s way less weird than spending your vacation in the mud dressed in bespoke homespun celebrating your ancestors being conscripted to fight so some land-rich asshole could own slaves instead of giving them a job. Which is a real popular hobby.

    • Kiri the Unicorn

      Yep. Nice folks with a fun hobby.

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      On a scale of anything whatsoever to Nazis, perfectly normal.

  • Jack Rogue Tenhet

    OT: Another from Jerry Orbach. I’m in a mood.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sasH9TV7lsw

  • Jack Rogue Tenhet
    • FlemmishSpy

      I see no drag.

      • Jack Rogue Tenhet

        LMFAO! Good point!

  • PerSister Big Puppy

    The original post was strange enough. This one left me feeling like I’d fallen down the rabbit hole. Take me with you Cheshire Cat!

  • ifyalikeityashuldaputasw19onit

    Speaking of wolves, albeit of the lone kind….

    https://twitter.com/CatoInstitute/status/856031386729418752

    • Vecchioivan

      And the Cato Institute is responsible for 73% of the bullshit emitted into the internets every year.

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      With actual black shirts, no less!

  • Prof. T. Green Bastard

    You know, for being so very superior, these Nazi fucks sure do have to co-opt a lot of inferior groups’ artistic creations…

    • MizzMazz

      Kind of like how pagan festivals have been co-opted by xians and turned into consumer holidays.
      ETA: except without the overt racism.

      • Prof. T. Green Bastard

        I started loving the holiday season like a kid again after my family dumped the auto-pilot Xmas tradition crap & started celebrating the Winter Solstice.

        • MizzMazz

          So did we, back when I was with my husband. We did Solstice, all the fun stuff like friends and the family we could stand, good food, music, and none of the pressure to buy,buy, buy.
          Plus, we had Beltaine, which is coming up, and that was a damn great party too!

          • Prof. T. Green Bastard

            I’m gonna try to be out in the woods.

            I don’t always party, but when I do, its w trees. ;)

            https://youtu.be/BI1Jn8sWHnc

          • MizzMazz

            Nice tune to go to work on! Thanks!

  • McMema6

    Well, that was a real load of horse-shit; or maybe I should say pony-poop.
    Magically creepy.

  • Fartknocker

    After reading this article I concluded this Nazi group believes Pedobear is cool. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/37dd5c28014d6839da8d026d0a26f20114a1078397d56d52ec0a266bec191310.jpg

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      And his friend, that ugly frog.

  • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

    I remember when I first learned about WWII and thought to myself “gee I sure am glad those Nazis were beaten and we all live in harmony now. I am glad that period of history will never be repeated again.”

    What a naive boy I was.

  • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

    “Also don’t they actually practice white supremicy? Something that there is no actual evidence of.”
    So has this guy quite literally lived under a rock for the past 500 years?

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      We’ve been spelling ‘supremacy’ correctly for longer than that.

  • Carpe Vagenda
    • Me The People

      We should try to guess his speech. Here’s my try:

      “Today as we remember those soldiers from America – the greatest nation – who saved all the people from the Germans – today we all come together to make the whole of America a Holocaust Center greater than any seen before”

      • Carpe Vagenda

        “Not everyone remembers that Reagan felt a special kinship with the soldiers buried at Bitburg…”

      • ariel_gee_398

        “Our brave soldiers faced incredible odds in trying to save all those bankers. I mean Jews. They said it couldn’t be done, that we couldn’t win. Just like they said it was almost impossible for a Republican to win the Electoral College. And yet we won in one of the, if not the, biggest Electoral College margins in history. Everyone said it couldn’t be done. And then the way you saw people come out to celebrate. It was just a beautiful, beautiful thing. Almost as beautiful as a Holocaust Center glittering in the sunlight.”

        • Me The People

          That is probably almost exactly what he is going to say.

          • ariel_gee_398

            Plus maybe something about Ivanka and her beautiful babies being Jewish.

        • NastyBossetti

          Time to come clean: are you, or are you not Trump’s actual speechwriter?

      • Suttree

        My good friend Elie Wiesel has told me these stories.

    • jesterpunk
    • Suttree

      If only they could refuse his press ops like they did during the campaign at the African American Museum.

    • Sister the Resister

      the responses in the twitter feed are on the mark.

    • phoenix00

      https://i.imgur.com/kiQLSTs.gif

      Now why they go do somethin’ like dat?

  • Resistance Fighter Astraea
    • MizzMazz

      The actual FUCK!?! Now Donnie’s gonna want some yellow tape of his own. “I want a few rolls of that! Pooties got it, and he can’t have anything I can’t have!”

      • TJ Barke

        I assume those are tongue in cheek…

        • MizzMazz

          Damn, I hope you’re right. Nothing surprises me anymore.

          • Resistance Fighter Astraea
          • MizzMazz

            Challenge Accepted! (although I don’t want to set up near all that water)

            Seriously though, It’s getting hard to tell reality from satire anymore. I still bet Donnie’s going to want rolls of that yellow tape.

          • Riley Whodat Venable

            Especially Grrrll Punk bands.

          • Panika MCD

            read the bottom lines. they are clearly making fun of Putin.

          • MizzMazz

            With my eyes? Seriously, It took me a moment, but I got it. Still think Donnie’s gonna want some of that tape on the serious.

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          Yes, they are.

      • The Witch of Endor

        Well, seeing as how this is supposed to be in Amsterdam and the warning is in English…I mean it’s not completely out of the realm of possibility that they’d use caution tape (which now that I think about it, isn’t it blue and white in the EU?) written in English, but I don’t think it’s very likely.

        • MizzMazz

          Now it’s funny, but when I first saw it I was like, WTF? although I do tent to be the straight man in jokes, and a little slow ;)

          • Suttree

            “I do tent to be the straight man”, and here I always thought that you were a sexy lady. Hehe

          • The Witch of Endor

            Oh, it took me more than a minute to figure it out, and it was only because I remembered that their crime tape is a different color.

        • FukuiSanYesOta

          That’s definitely Amsterdam. They use a lot of English signage.

          • The Witch of Endor

            But their cautionary/crime scene tape?

          • Ill-Advised

            Perhaps reflects behavioral issues from certain tourists?

    • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

      On that note, I often wonder why wingnuts who constantly attack certain Middle Eastern or Muslim majority countries for their treatment of LGBT folks (and rightfully so in some cases) never seem to bring up the crappy behavior Russia and the Ukraine display towards LGBT folks.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        Because they approve of it.
        They only mention Muslim nations in order to demonstrate that liberals should be as islamophobic as they are.

        • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

          Seems that way. If they can bring up examples of brown people doing it they jump on the moral high horse and proclaim “western values” but if you bring up examples of white people doing it they say it’s “free expression”.

          • jesterpunk

            The way it works is.

            White person doing something like shooting people = mentally ill lone wolf

            Muslim = terrorist

            Black = culture

            Mexican = criminals

        • Suttree

          Yeah, I don’t see any wingnuts screaming about the Christian cults in Africa killing gays.

        • SecludedCompound

          Precisely. they don’t care about the anti-gay actions of conservative islamic governments, they care about making specious arguments against leftists that they don’t even care about.

          These are the kinds of people who pulled wings off of flies in grade school.

          • Troj

            ….or, the kids who pulled the wings off of flies caught by their more talented classmates, more like.

    • Suttree

      That is fucking awesome!

    • Riley Whodat Venable

      Brilliant. Thank you.

    • Ill-Advised

      You know, we should try that here sometime.

  • Elvis Causticfellow

    Oh, Fur Fuck’s Sake (with apologies to Callyson).

    • ifyalikeityashuldaputasw19onit

      I Sea Otter Did There.

  • Elvis Causticfellow

    A while back I posted this cartoon a couple of times because the man looks a little like Huckabee and it was a good illustration of the phrase “keep fucking that chicken.” I only recently realized that what it’s about is that feeling when you think you’re fucking a fellow furry and realize that instead you’ve made a chicken fall in love with you.

    http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/joan-cornella-4.jpg

  • NastyBossetti

    One of my ex boyfriends is a WWII reenactor who was in a German unit not because he sympathized with the cause but basically because everyone wanted to be the heroes, and everyone cannot be the good guys, or what is there is reenact? I don’t really get the compulsion to reenact in the first place, but some people really love history. Anyway, even he didn’t have a red armband with a swastika on it (or anything resembling that). Because he is not a fucking nazi.

    • Jack Rogue Tenhet

      Well, he was still being historically accurate. Not everyone in the German Army was a Nazi. There was conscription.

      • NastyBossetti

        Trust me, I lived with a WWII reenactor who played a German soldier. I have heard this many times. hahaha

        • Jack Rogue Tenhet

          Never been into any kind of reenacting. I just read a lot of books.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        Pretty sure red armbands were not worn on combat uniforms, any more than yellow helmets and orange vests. (And SS role-players are into a completely different pastime.)

    • Anna Elizabeth

      Yes, as in miniature wargaming, it’s kind of hard to do battles in Europe or Africa without Germans.

      I’d do as a female Red Army Sniper if I could afford to, I guess to me, it’s similar to my miniatures and models, a tangible, touchable part of the history.

      • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

        I wonder if they do those reenactments outside the US, because in Germany itself, the swastika is banned.

        • Anna Elizabeth

          That’s a good question. There is a swastika somewhere on every German WW2 uniform.

          • theCryptofishist

            Because you don’t want your zombie pin up warriors to have any anachronisms.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            Actually in Dust 1947, the Germans got rid of Hitler, and swastika, and Erwin Rommel commands them. It makes it easier to sell miniatures world-wide if you don’t have swastika.

        • NastyBossetti

          I don’t know about other reenactors, but from what I recall, any insignia with swastikas were easily removable from the ex’s uniform. And he kept them as minimal as possible while still trying to be accurate. So I guess in theory they could remove any banned insignia?

        • foreign agitator Captain Kraut

          It’s generally considered to be much too tasteless, so the only guys getting into WW2 reenactment in Germany are neo nazis dreaming to join Panzer Lehr when they grow up.

          If a German man feels the need to not wash for three days and eat too much barbecued food, he goes LARPing like a civilized person these days.

      • NastyBossetti

        Yeah, I think that’s part of it – it makes the history tangible, all the time spent trying to make sure things are as historically accurate as possible. He likes to tinker.

        • Anna Elizabeth

          Yeah, I am less crazy when my hands are busy on models and miniatures, and I’m the same way about accurate details and such.

      • Suttree
      • BrianW

        When I was reenacting, I looked at it as a form of experimental archeology. I mean, you look at pictures or paintings of American Civil War troops for instance, and they’re wearing their gear in a particular method. Is there a reason they do things that way? Well, when you put the stuff on and march around in it, you quickly find out why they did things a certain way. For many of us, there was a definite interest in history. And, to a certain extent, it’s fun to play dress up.

        I finally quit due to health and age issues.If I were to be completely honest though, I would have to say that the distance between reenactors and LARPers, Trekkers, furries and the like is a lot smaller than reenactors would like to admit.

        • Anna Elizabeth

          Oh I agree with the second point, and I love the way you put your first point. :)

          • BrianW

            Well, for Civil War it was about experiencing the history in person. For the other eras I did at one point or another, it was mostly the dressing up and burning gunpowder. As for the second part about reenactors and LARPers, it’s a true story.

            Quite a few years ago I was at a game convention (no reenacting involved) when a group of fantasy LARPers came by. At first I was thinking, “Hmmpf. Look at those fools in their costumes and weapons…” At that point, the other side of the brain chimed in with “and people look at YOU the same way, boyo, when you’re dressed up.” So, it was quite the eureka moment for me, and in more ways than one.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            :) I hear that. I do Cosplay and Steampunk, so I hear all kinds of comments.

          • BrianW

            It was somewhat embarrassing for me to realize that I was so judgemental about what was a hobby. You know the rationalization: “Well, I’M presenting history while THEY’RE just playing around.” Um, no.

            I guess the moral of the story is that enlightenment is like finding lost money: Wherever it comes from, it’s all good.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            :D I like that. In scale modelling, we have guys that only build historicals, which is great except when some of them say “the fantasy stuff is crap”. I would tell them, “do you want there to be a next generation of scale modeling? The kids like Gundams and such, and so do I. Some of those kids will get interested in historical models, unless some grumpy oldtimer chases them away.”

          • BrianW

            As you know, the same thing goes on in wargaming. Someone expresses an interest, and one of the oldsters either runs them off, or lets them play and then beats them like a rug. Same oldster then wants to complain that “no one is joining the hobby anymore.” Hmmmm, ya think maybe it’s because some of us act like dicks?

            As for Gundams, my youngest son showed me some online that I would be proud to have on display. Some real next-level airbrush work. Besides, as a former Battletech player, how could I ever be upset with Gundams? :-D

          • Anna Elizabeth

            I play Battletech!! :D I have a few repairs to make on a couple that were damaged in the move, but I have almost finished a whole company of Assault ‘Mechs for Wolf’s Dragoons Zeta Battalion.

            And yeah, I’ve been through that shit myself. The older guys called it “character building”. Some of the tactics they used against me in Star Fleet Battles will now get you physically removed from Tournament play. But, I learned how *not* to teach new players. :)

          • BrianW

            I haven’t played in years, but we played a lot in the 1990s. I ran a Mercenary’s Handbook campaign for about 2-3 years until we all started getting regular jobs and whatnot. We started with one mech and ended with a company plus air support and other ground units. Just the paperwork for that was like a second job!

            BT kind of lost it for me with the Clan Invasion, and all the tech upgrades in the 3050s and up. What I really liked about it was all the history and backstories. That really went a long way towards suspension of disbelief where BigStompyRobots was concerned. I still remember the line from the wedding of Hanse Davion and Melissa Steiner: “For your wedding present, my wife, I give you the Capellan Confederation.”

            As far as the “character building” exercises go, I now tell people thanks, but I have more than enough character as it is. Oh, and I played SFB as well.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            I play Clan Invasion and after at times, but I think you can guess from Zeta Battalion that my heart lies in the Secession Wars. That is one of my fave lines too, I have both “Atlases of the 4th Secession War”. There is a new version of the Mercenary Handbook out, but I don’t have it yet.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9102e40d51b7dd4789e52bb01a6b74b4fc35fb24d6eb677cdc9aa932a3529179.jpg

            Here is an old lead Warhammer I painted up as Natasha Kerensky’s “Widowmaker”.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0624a64b8263b31cc9816c3dc873137e2f8a097c6057fd4bf1ff430e7ba36a31.jpg

            And a Battlemaster painted up for the Eridani Light Horse.

            I still love the world of SFB, I haven’t played in years but I have my binder and counters still.

            And yeah, I’ve gotten some crazy notion that gaming should be “fun”, not “character building”.

          • BrianW

            My SFB miniatures got stolen, and I just didn’t have the heart to start over. Besides, that is a prime example of a game that got WAY too complex. I haven’t tried Federation Commander, and frankly have begun to cut back to focus more on my core interests. I’ve always loved sailing ships, and so have been working on them here lately. I’ve even started a blog about them. If you want, I’ll send you a link.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            Please do! I’d love to do Age of Sail. Someday when money isn’t so tight I will.

            I’m sorry your SFB minis were stolen. People don’t realize what they truly cost us. ~hugs~

    • Suttree

      I think about these things, because my grandparents came from a country that sided with the Nazis. They escaped and came to America. But when I think of my heritage, I am sometimes not too proud.Fuck you Ante Pavelic! I have met Croats here that supported him.

      • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

        My maternal grandfather (who was a major POS I might add) was apparently a fan of Mussolini…that is, until his brother went missing and never returned when the Italian army invaded Greece. Then he kept his mouth shut about him.

        • Suttree

          No one in my family holds any sort of those beliefs. My father’s eldest sister was born in a refugee camp in Austria during the war.

          • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

            The story I heard of him reminds me of those articles the media always posts about “regretful Trump voters”. He supported the deranged fascist…until it effected someone in his life. Aside from that he was also abusive.

    • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

      I really never got the idea of reenacting wars. It always rubbed me the wrong way. Including those Colonial places.

      • NastyBossetti

        Yeah I still don’t really get it, even after having lived with someone who did it.

    • doktorzoom

      I’m no expert, but ordinary Wehrmacht soldiers’ uniforms wouldn’t include an armband anyway. The Source of All Knowledge says the uniform and headgear all had insignia with the stylized eagle over a swastika. As I recall, swastika armbands were for Party members only. Plus, on a battlefield, a bright red armband would be a really bad idea.

      (Edit: or I COULD have read downthread first.)

      • NastyBossetti

        It’s true; they wouldn’t, which is a thing many people are surprised to learn. I am familiar with the eagle insignia. My point was more that even historical reenactors who play Germans in WWII don’t just go around collecting paraphernalia with swastikas. Anyone who thinks it’s cute to wear an armband like that with a paw on it is an idiot or an asshole. Or both.

  • Blackest Noobs

    so North Korea’s Lil Kim is saying they’re ready to sink a U.S. aircraft carrier and they could possibly do it, i do have my doubts, but even if they did or tried to do so, they would so fuck themselves….worst than fucking the pooch.

    Americans are not known for being light-handed when bringing down the hammer.
    we (military-wise) LOVE blowing shit the fuck up with a BIG BIG BANG.
    you know it when Americans arrive to the theater of war.

    • jesterpunk

      If he wants a war all he has to do is give Trump the middle finger. That is enough to get Donny to start a war.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-iran-war-threat_us_57d36449e4b06a74c9f4e9c9

      • Blackest Noobs

        if North Korea actually had a stable supply of basic shit like food and fuel, i think we might have a problem…Koreans are fucking tough as nails, but this would be a war of attrition for NK…and certainly the death toll would be cracra-crazy high….but it’s unwinnable for them…even if they have a mega-godzilla.

        • jesterpunk

          Dont get me wrong I dont want a war with Korea, I was more pointing out how both Trump and lil Kim are both batshit insane.

          • Blackest Noobs

            ooooh they are….and before we had perfectly sane Presidents, even fucking Junior, but now we got both leaders who would blow their load over nada.
            it would be bad news all round for us for them…it would suck for all.

        • Biel_ze_Bubba

          Lil’ Kim cares only about his power and his own skin… the deaths of thousands of ordinary citizens is nothing to him. Fortunately he has no way of getting within sight of a U.S. carrier, let alone mounting an attack on it. The obvious response is to ignore him, put the carrier in international waters just off the coast, and carry out “exercises” until the rest of the world gets bored. Then we leave, with loads of intelligence from monitoring NK’s response, Kimmy crows about having “faced down” the U.S., and it’s back to business as usual.
          The principal danger is that Il Douche is vain and stupid enough to want more “action”, because he imagines it will make Real Americans™ like him.

  • Suttree

    I’m sure that there is a fair amount of trolling, but this wouldn’t exist without the true believers.

    • jesterpunk

      https://i.imgur.com/6iA4T60.jpg

      OT but how is your back feeling today?

      • Suttree

        It is better than last night. It is a thing where it gets worser the longer that I am up and using it. So I feel pretty good right now.

        • jesterpunk

          Try and take it easy if you can. Hope it doesnt bother you too much today.

          • Suttree

            I have a steady plan of sitting on this chair an wonking. There may be some vacuuming though. And cooking of some sort.

        • bobbert

          Reminder: Colonoscopy

          • Sister the Resister

            Yes!

          • Suttree

            May 2nd is my appointment for the intro to having shit crammed up your butt. I also have an appointment with a urologist. I still need the PT though.

          • The Witch of Endor

            Does anyone have a ballpark idea as to what’s going on? Up until a few days ago, I didn’t know you were ill/injured.

          • Suttree

            I don’t have anything major going on besides my back. I need my insides checked because i have had stuff going on for a while. But my sister and my grandmother both got colon cancer. One survived. So I want and need to get that checked out. I have been putting it off for a decade now. The funny thing is that my tummy has been good for about six months now.

          • theCryptofishist

            I hope you get a good one. I thought mine were fantastic, but I”ve heard of others who were just near useless.

          • Suttree

            My father tells me that the drugs are good. We might have differing opinions on what good drugs are though. :)

    • Don’t tell me about true believers – I’ve just had a lo-o-o-o-ong twitter war with some religious nuts

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        Waste of electrons. Give ’em a “Whatever – you do you. Bye!” and walk away. Saves you time, and it takes ’em a while to realize they’ve been slagged.

      • Suttree

        When you need a make believe sky-god to tell you that everything is ok, and refuse to deviate from those beliefs you can go fuck yourself. It’s a sign of weakness, not of strength.

    • NastyBossetti

      I’m literally wearing a shirt that says “True Believer” right now. I am part of the problem.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP2cOXCTroA

  • gene108

    What’s up with these My Little Ponies that look like people?

    http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/My_Little_Pony_Equestria_Girls

    Does,that defeat Friendship is Magic?

    • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

      Because Hasbro is in the business of making shows and products that will get kids to pester their parents to buy them.

      • gene108

        I know it. Got hooked on Transformers, in the 80’s, as a kid. Bugged my mom every chance I got for those toys.

        • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

          90’s kid here. I used to beg to my parents for them to buy me Pokémon and Yugioh cards. Now I waste my own money on them.

      • Anna Elizabeth

        Speaking of, my Mom actually bought me ^ that Pinkie for my birthday in 2014. XD

    • Anna Elizabeth

      Different world, it’s still cute and about the Magic of Friendship. It allows fashion dolls with trendy clothing, too:

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2c0cde40eaffc2a1b13a18f446b3fe53d5d51377d5a8297b95727ecd8caea71c.jpg

      • I’ve heard they mutate into Bratz if you feed them after midnight

        • Anna Elizabeth

          Pinkie would cry if she saw you say that! XD

        • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

          That’s Kremlins…uh…I mean Gremlins. Not My Little Pony.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        It allows them to sell human-sized costumes, probably for 15x the cost of manufacturing them. (It’s almost May, time to plan the Halloween marketing campaign.)

      • Jack Rogue Tenhet

        I haven’t seen these yet. They look adorable as hell! We’ll have to get one for our niece.

        • Anna Elizabeth

          They are adorable! I have all the Mane 6, and a few other ones. They are inexpensive as Fashion Dolls go.

          • Jack Rogue Tenhet

            Cool! I mostly collect action figures myself but have a few dolls. Mine are expensive as hell though. The cheapest, I got ten years ago for three hundred. Can’t afford that anymore. Can’t even afford action figures anymore. Everything’s so expensive now. What was seven bucks ten years ago is twenty now.

            Sucks to have hobbies, sometimes.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            Oh, I hear you. I have some Barbies that cost more than $50, and I have a high-end Jem & the Holograms set that was $150. That ain’t happening again.

            I used to get GI Joe and Star Wars 4″ figures, but when they went over $10 per, I had to stop.

          • BeverlyCrusher’sWig

            Jem & the Holograms dolls! That’s sounds awesome!

          • Anna Elizabeth

            Yes! I have https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/da9dba7c533190a8c2fee6030cfca914f66a3dee80c38841f31704f3f19b7746.jpg vintage ones, most of the original Holograms and a Star-capped Jem, and my new high-end ones are a special collector’s set:

          • BeverlyCrusher’sWig

            I wish I could give you a million upvotes for those. They are amazing.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            I so love “Jem”. I adored the cartoon in first run, and I was afraid to ask for a Jem doll then, but I’d look at them anytime we were in a store. I finally got some dolls in 2011, and these new ones in 2014.

            Jem, the woman that set herself free by changing her look and doing what was in her heart. :) She has a lot of meaning for me.

    • Sister the Resister

      I hate to think how much money we’ve spent on MLP crap for the grandkid – figurines, plushies, clothing, and all the crap she loves. But original Friendship is Magic is still our fave.

    • doktorzoom

      Corporate marketing decision to take a popular Hasbro product and adapt it to go up against Mattel’s “Monster High” dolls.

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    Just took delivery of a microanalytical balance (I do lab work in one of my alternative lives.) First sentence of the manual:
    “Welcome to use series electronic balance, the balance adopts load cell of a scene of types that resistance meets an emergency in high accuracy and microprocessor in high function and low power.” This is followed by the “OPERTION” instructions.
    I’m just going to assume they copied the workings of every other balance in existence.

    • Sister the Resister

      It’s very important to follow instructions whenever Operting.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        I dread having to use the warranty: “Did you follow the operting instructions?”

        • Bitter Scribe

          Wait until you have to call tech support.

    • gene108

      In instructions made me laugh out loud. Thanks. 😂🤗🤣

    • Jonny On Maui

      It probably reads well in the original Sanskrit…

    • CripesAmighty

      Wonder if their technical writer is a regular contributor to DearShitFerBrains?

  • PerSister Big Puppy

    I started this non-comment as a reply to a non-comment by Anna Elizabeth about World War II re-enacting and modeling. I realized that my reply wasn’t really about Anna Elizabeth’s non-comment. It was, instead, a musing about the place of WWII in my life.

    I’m a baby boomer, which means my parents came of age during WWII. It also means that most of my teachers also came of age during the war.

    Books and films about the German and Japanese atrocities were a significant part of my education. I grew up playing army, fighting the krauts, and watching TV shows like Hogan’s Heroes.

    I also had nightmares of bombings and nuclear explosions. In the 80s I watched The Day After and the nightmares started again. I haven’t had a war nightmare for quite a while now, thank goodness.

    I’ve never been in combat, yet I have a horror of it. I’ve never lived under fascism, yet I have a horror of it. Why is this not being effectively communicated to younger generations?

    • Anna Elizabeth

      I really don’t understand that either. I don’t understand the hate for anyone that’s different, I don’t know why people don’t care more about others.

    • Ω cynmac will never surrender

      That movie. So scary.

      • PerSister Big Puppy

        It haunts me almost 50 years later.

        • Ω cynmac will never surrender

          I rewatched it after 11/9.

    • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

      I think part of the reason is because a lot of schools don’t reflect on the Holocaust, slavery or other atrocities properly. They teach it to kids like it’s as far back as the dinosaurs and that it’s all over now. That’s probably why a lot of younger people plunge into the alt-right or get sucked into people like Richard Spencer or Milo. My parents were children in a fascist country during the war and they can’t stand 45, so maybe it’s how you teach it.

      • PerSister Big Puppy

        Interesting thought. I remember learning about immunization against awful ideas (I think it was called immunization) in high school.

        The idea is to expose children to these horrible ideas and explain why they’re horrible so when they come across them later, they’re prepared to reject them.

        • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

          It’s always very simplistic ways of teaching about it. Even in HS. There was never any context to this stuff outside of “oh it was bad but some good guys came along and brought an end to it”. There was no…nuance.

          • jesterpunk

            Depends on the teacher too, back in the 90’s when I was in high school we had a history teacher who was also Ben Franklin at independence hall in Philly. He hated test and wanted to make sure everyone actually understood history not just memorized enough to pass the test. He went into WW2 in detail in both US and European History and what lead to it from both sides. But he was a pretty rare teacher and got into trouble a few times for how he taught and how he actually encouraged questions.

          • theCryptofishist

            A certain sort of bright bored teen can get into some of the stuff as a reaction formation. I’m not even talking about the alts, but about kids who are smart enough to feel talked down to, and bored enough with the teaching material to end up playing with some dark shit.

          • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

            I was legitimately shocked when the communities I once visited online, mostly comic or gaming related, had so many people who went full on red pill even though I would have called them progressive younger guys like me years before.

          • Suttree

            My parents pretty much let me run free, but my father always threw books at me. And I remember as a child, sitting in my parent’s bedroom and listening to the entire I Have A Dream speech on MLK day, with my father.I was just sitting there helping him sort paperwork, but that hit me like a brick. Circa 3rd grade)?)

          • JustDon’tSayFlatEarth

            I think I’m watching a post-HS nephew going through just that. It’s worrying.

          • Suttree

            I was apparently lucky. We read Night and Hiroshima back to back and heard no heroics. It made a huge impression on my 5th(?) grade mind.

          • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

            I think we read that in High School and even watched Schindler’s List in that class. That was the only time I feel like they made us confront this stuff.

          • Suttree

            Right after we read Night, we took a field trip into NYC to see Elie Wiesel speak. I was a lucky child at a good school.

          • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

            Did you grow up in the NY area or attend a NY school? Just curious because I went to school in NY.

          • Suttree

            I lived in Brooklyn for a few years and went to P.S. 321, and then we moved to Jersey. I am in Jersey now a few miles from the place I grew up in, and I can see NYC out of the window.. The leaves are starting to grow on the trees, so that view won’t be here next week. :(

          • dshwa

            We had to read the one with the Origami Cranes in it (too long ago for me to remember the title). And I still tear up just thinking about the my trip to Hiroshima.

          • SnarkON

            With all due respect, the Holocaust *had* no nuance.

          • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

            You’re right.

          • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

            I guess what I was trying to say was they don’t frame it right. It’s treated as some abstract thing that happened along time ago and has no bearing on today.

          • dshwa

            Not in the Holocaust itself, but related to it. Such as that there was a great deal of America that wanted to ignore the evidence prior to the war, that there were more than a few who supported fascism, and that we turned back refugees that were later murdered. We do the same with the Civil War and slavery, ignoring the Christians who were pro slavery, and the white washing that it was about “State’s Rights” for the Confederacy.

          • SnarkON

            Wait, it wasn’t just about states’ rights? DAMMIT.

      • Suttree

        I made a joke down thread about Turnip visiting the holocaust memorial. But in grade school I actually had a class trip to see Elie Wiesel speak. We had just read Night.

    • Bitter Scribe

      Oh hell, look at Greece, my ancestral homeland. Not only were they brutally occupied by the Nazis during the war, they endured homegrown fascism in the 1970s under a military junta. And yet millions of Greeks voted for the neo-fascist Golden Dawn party.

      There are just too many stupid people in the world. It’s democracy’s major flaw.

    • SnarkON

      It is. The people who don’t get it aren’t young, necessarily; they’re just idiots.

    • dshwa

      Same reason the depression got forgotten. Eventually when there’s not enough people who lived through it, the horror recedes to the back.

      This is one of the reasons museums are so important, and some, like the Holocaust museum and the Atom Bomb memorial in Hiroshima, should be mandatory to attend before age 25. That’s the closest you can come to actually living through the event.

      • JD Mulvey

        It’s true… Just like there are youngsters today who cannot imagine the horrors we old folks experienced back when Billy Joel was all over the radio.

    • Koch Blockula

      When I was in high school in California (back in the 70s), we had to watch the film “Nacht und Nebel (Night and Fog) for a history class. Its message and visuals are with me to this day. Look it up on wiki if you’ve never heard of it. It should be shown today in high schools, but is not any longer, to the best of my knowledge.

  • Jamoche

    And in the Other Things That Should Never Be Nazis Department:
    http://aceofgeeks.net/no-fascist-cap-why-i-wont-review-secret-empire/

    I’m here to talk to you about Marvel Comics’ Secret Empire crossover event for the first and final time. Speaking with the full support of the editor-in-chief, I am here to say that the Ace of Geeks will not be covering Secret Empire except as my regular comics subscriptions necessitate mentioning it.

    For those not in the know, first of all, congratulations. [It is ] the horrifying and offensive decision to reveal that Captain America is a secret HYDRA agent and has been since his glory days in World War II — in other words, the greatest American hero Marvel has to offer us is a Nazi collaborator and spy. This was the launching point for a much larger event, which from what we know right now appears to be a) a long-con plot by HYDRA to allow them to ensnare and eliminate Earth’s heroes and take over, and b) utterly tone-deaf.

    • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

      Marvel Comics writers: Alright boys here’s a great idea. Let’s take a character created by 2 Jewish guys as a way of sticking it to the Nazis (even had him punch Hitler in his first appearance) and then let’s make a plot twist where he was actually a Nazi all along.

    • gene108

      This being comics, I hope they can retcon this to make everything right again, i.e. Cap ain’t a Nazi and it was all a bad dream.

      • Jamoche

        This being comics, and especially Marvel which handles it by saying “these are all AUs” instead of smushing them together – it’s an ignorable AU.

      • Darkest Timeline Zach Morris

        This thing will end with a Cosmic Cube reset. Cap is Cap again, everyone is happy. I hope Sam gets to keep his prominent place though – I love thee character and if it gives Anthony Mackie more to do in the movies I’m all in.

    • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

      I mean I’m not sure what to expect from Marvel. This is the same company who just a few weeks ago blamed female or POC characters for their low sales.

      • BeverlyCrusher’sWig

        Drives me nuts! The obvious culprit is right there too. All those crossovers! (At least for me that was the culprit)

    • The Witch of Endor

      Wasn’t this storyline put out because the alt-right were freaking out that Captain America was going to be portrayed as African American?

      They were saying that Captain America *had* to be white. My understanding is this was Marvel’s way of giving them the finger.
      http://nypost.com/2014/07/17/marvels-new-captain-america-will-be-african-american/

      • Jamoche

        They’re doubling down too hard when challenged for me to believe that; if it were that sort of thing, there’d be a nudge-wink somewhere to let all us Nazi punchers in on the joke.

        • The Witch of Endor

          I’m not a comics fan, so I don’t know all the ins and outs the way I would with certain SF authors and behind-the-scenes convention stuff. So I bow to your superior understanding.

          I’m really bummed to know that Marvel isn’t just trolling the bigots.

    • Contemplative Ron

      That sound you hear in the background is Jack Kirby spinning so fast he’s producing Cherenkov radiation.

    • Thiazin Red

      I find the Magneto aspect even worse, taking a character who was an actual holocaust survivor and making them a nazi.

    • MisterShoebox

      I really hate to be “That Guy”, I truly, really, REALLY do. But in the comic itself, it’s shown that it’s thanks to a sentient cosmic cube named Kosmik monkeying around with reality that Cap is a nazi. And even then, the “He’s always been one” thing is kind of in doubt, since he and another character are the only ones to ever really talk about it. Baron Zemo doesn’t even say “Hey, yeah, he was totally Hydra.” Sooo…it’s still disgusting, but it’s like…standard comic book stuff, too. Bad idea, yes, but it’s not like they’re saying “He was a nazi before reality was warped with thanks to Kosmik.”

  • Greyhame

    Reverse intolerance! Not all men who like to sexxx-cosplay as Hitler’s dog …
    http://www.listen-tome.com/save-me/

  • Peter Walford

    And there’s me thinking things couldn’t get much furrier … just wow!

  • Jonny On Maui

    Furries, MLP and Nazis. A trifecta mashup acid flashback. Thank dog for the hippy speedball.

  • Anna Elizabeth

    OT – I decided to dress up today. I’m going to go for a walk, see you later! :D

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bc6c3886d7c89b0eaa730a014f434ff04649f43a69811d3c590ad372c4b92ff4.jpg

    • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

      Nice shirt. :)

  • Grokenstein

    I’ll never be able to wrap my noggin around people who can love MLP and still support Trump, let alone the alt-righties who infest the Herd.

    • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

      I was just telling someone down thread that I was shocked when people on the comics and gaming communities I used to go to online now had Pepe the frog profile pictures and went full alt righter. Especially when you consider comics have sort of a history for progressive politics….

  • Relativicus

    To be fair, there is no actual evidence of white supremacy.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    #notallnazis

  • https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1fe21304e678ed86e7c3c772835c240e13ef62aa1543a07d005130edb7e5db54.jpg

    “Pappa Hitler, I haff sometink to tell you vich you may find alarming…”

    • PressSecretaryCaptainHowdy

      He seems nice.

  • Alexander Stallwitz
  • William
  • Patch O’Furr

    Hey wonkette – as 7news Denver (first media on the story) mentioned, my piece at Dogpatch Press was first to expose all the recent happenings with the SovCit and the C&D letter. Don’t just quote me, talk to me! I can clue you in to lots of stuff, like this here video of Foxler explaining how he doesn’t just dress like a Nazi, he actually paid to join a neonazi group. https://twitter.com/DeoTasDevil/status/855604541135478784

    • SnarkON

      Eeeuw.

    • JustDon’tSayFlatEarth

      Contact info for Dok, Editrix, et al are on this site somewhere. Drop ’em a line; everybody else does.

    • JustDon’tSayFlatEarth

      Under “contact” at the very top of each page.

    • doktorzoom

      Thanks for the info and the offer, but you assume I’m capable of far more thoughtful planning for weekend comment-mocking than I actually do! :D

      If the idiocy continues, I may very well be in touch!

    • Ants In My Eyes Johnson

      I don’t understand why he decided this story was worth sharing. Or how he got to adulthood without learning who Hitler was, or what happened in Europe leading up to, and during, WWII, or why people hate nazis.
      Frankly, he sounds like a nut pulling a second shift as an asshole.

      The part where he gets told he’s too much of a loser to hang with nazis was amusing. That may in fact be his only accomplishment in life.

      • jowgajen

        Upfist for “nut pulling a second shift as an asshole”. I’m gonna have to borrow that as appropriate.

  • SnarkON

    Yeah, so, shorter: Nazi or no, Furries and Bronys are just gross. Sorry to be not-so-accepting. But really, fantasizing about sex in animal costumes and about fucking cartoon ponies is just creepy.

    • TJ Barke

      Uh, not all bronies are cloppers…

    • Anna Elizabeth

      Thanx for the generalization.

    • thixotropic jerk

      Don’t knock it till you’ve tried it but who said it’s only/all about sexxy times? Maybe you might be projecting a little bit? Offered in a friendly neutral
      observer type way

      • SnarkON

        I’m a woman, so, uh, no.

    • doktorzoom

      Um. You might be astonished to learn that many people like things you don’t, and that it ain’t always about sex? Yes, Rule 34 is a thing that exists, but it’s a minor part of most fandoms. The fact that Kirk/Spock slashfic exists doesn’t mean most Trekkies are into it.

      Frankly, people who make overly broad generalizations are gross.

      • SnarkON

        I sincerely apologize for the broad-brush generalization. See above. Am specifically talking about the subset of fans who get off on the sexual fantasies. (Also I am feeling really testy today and am sure I am going to get flamed on some comment thread or another.)

      • ahughes798

        Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. S. Freud.

      • Dazza

        *snerk* ISWYDT

      • theblackdog

        Thanks Dok.

    • doktorzoom

      The thing I like about MLP is that it’s a show made by people who love cartoons. There are some simply brilliant references to classic animation, like a sequence that perfectly borrows the chases from a Pepe le Pew cartoon. (Oh dear, I like Chuck Jones. Must mean I fantasize about fucking cartoon skunks. Or cartoon cats painted as skunks.)

      I initially started using pony memes here at Wonkette ironically, but eventually watched it, and found it good. And no, I don’t fantasize about sex with pastel ponies.

      The point here: I won’t try to persuade anyone to like any pop culture. But broad-brush generalizations about fans of almost anything are likely to miss the point.

      • SnarkON

        Clarification: I was using “Bronies” to specifically mean men who jerk off to MLP porn. Not to mean male fans of the show.

        • doktorzoom

          Um. But “Bronies” IS the word for adult fans of MLP, of both genders (“pegasisters” never really caught on). It’s like saying “Foodies” are disgusting and then coming back and clarifying you only meant people who fuck melons. In any case, apology accepted, and may you learn words gooder in the future.

          • HogeyeGrex

            Hey. What do have against fucking melons?
            Asking for a friend.

          • natoslug

            Some of my best friends are fucked melons.

          • HogeyeGrex

            I served with Fucked Melon. I knew Fucked Melon. Fucked Melon was a friend of mine…

          • Swampgas_Man

            My melon’s been fucked for years.

          • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

            As long as you warm ’em up first. Cold melons…brrrrrr!

          • ahughes798

            I heard, from a male friend, that they’re best straight from the field.

          • HogeyeGrex

            From a zombie?

          • SnarkON

            LOL…thanks. Is there a specific word for “Bronies who actually want to fuck the ponies”?

          • doktorzoom

            Thanks to Rule 34, of course there is: “Cloppers.”

          • SnarkON

            Got it. I really, really don’t want to have to find out what “Rule 34” is on Urban Dictionary.

          • doktorzoom

            “If it exists, there is porn of it. No exceptions.” There’s also Rule 35 (sometimes called Rule 34b): “If no porn is found at the moment, it will be made.”

          • SnarkON

            What an edumacation SnarkON is getting today.

          • HazooToo

            Thank you for reminding me of this word!

        • Swampgas_Man

          The only cartoon I can watch these days is Samurai Jack, because HOLY SHEEE-IT! Have you SEEN this thing?

          • SnarkON

            Is there porn?

          • doktorzoom

            Have we taught you nothing? :)

          • theblackdog

            Go learn about Rule 34 of the Internet.

    • natoslug

      That’s why I prefer sex with ponies dressed as cartoon people.

  • dshwa

    And yes, there’s a furry Nazi novel called ‘The Furred Reich’

    No. No there’s not. I won’t believe it. I refuse.

    • doktorzoom

      It’s self-published on Amazon, and the writer is, sadly, very definitely into fascism.

      I’m just ticked off I didn’t think of the pun first.

      • dshwa

        I’m sticking to my-alt fact that there isn’t. Because even though I know there is, I don’t want to believe it.

  • BetsyBleedingheart

    My last ex before I met my husband was a brony in denial. He swore that when he came to my pajama-themed 30th birthday party in My Little Pony pajamas, it was because he thought I would like it, even though I openly *dislike* My Little Pony (sorry not sorry).

    Anyway it’s perhaps because of that evening that we split the very next weekend. Happily, three weeks later I met my husband, so BAM I guess I won that breakup.

    I don’t think he was a brony for the sex part of it, although who knows, he was not exactly an open book in bed. It bothered me because My Little Pony is a thing designed for young children, specifically young girls, and it’s completely disgusting for adults, especially adult men, to invade that space. Like, you have R-rated movies and whiskey and shit. Let the girls have their ponies without worrying about adult things.

    • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

      I don’t watch My Little Pony, but I don’t think every teenage or adult male who does is somehow doing it to jerk off to pony porn. Some people just like it and find it entertaining and nothing dirty about it st all. That said I do think it’s pretty upsetting that the little girls that it’s aimed at can no longer safely google MLP in peace without coming across that stuff.

      • BetsyBleedingheart

        Exactly. Men don’t need to take over every space that excludes them. They really really don’t.

        • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

          I have the same feeling about the “Sailor Moon” shit. Not everything should be sexualized. But good luck stopping it :-(

    • doktorzoom

      If the porn stuff were all there were to it, I’d agree, but as I’ve said elsewhere, I like MLP because it’s a heck of a well-written, well-realized show made by bigtime animation and film geeks. Like much of the best modern animation, it has a primary audience, but the creative team includes plenty of stuff for the grownups in the room watching with the kids, and some of it is as goofy as the old Jay Ward “Rocky and Bullwinkle” cartoons. F’rinstance, there’s an episode that borrows the plot of O. Henry’s “The Ransom of Red Chief,” in which one of the ponies is captured by gem-loving canines: The “Diamond Dogs.” And just as kids who watched “Rocky and Bullwinkle” said “Oh, so THAT’S where that came from!” when they learn of ‘Boris Gudenov,'” in ten years a lot of kids will hear David Bowie for the first time and grin in recognition.

      tl;dr version: Animation, like all pop culture, doesn’t exist in a vacuum, and isn’t only for kids, even when its primary audience may be.

      • kareemachan

        This. I agree with this. With her permission, I am ebaying my kid’s collection of MLP’s – and believe me, there is a market for it. People are into and collection weird shit sometimes, and there is much, much more to it than a porn source.

  • Poly_Ester

    RMFC taking projection to a whole other place.

  • Nom de Guerre

    Is anyone else reminded of the short story ‘The Great Bear Cult’ by Alasdair Gray?

    • doktorzoom

      I guess I am now!

  • Anna Elizabeth

    From nows forward, I am blocking any and all that call Bronies perverts or suggest that all adult MLP fans are liking it for sex reasons.

    Thank you.

    • ahughes798

      I just think they’re cute, and have a good message for young girls. I am kind of curious, in a non-hateful way, about Bronies. Probably long ago deep seated “Boys don’t play with girl’s toys.” thing. But then I remember when I was a small girl that I asked for and got the heirloom train set for Christmas, and I’m a major car nut, and always have been. I am not a girly girl, I am a tomboy who grew up, just like my mom. But I am still curious about Bronies. The little pony I like best is the one who plays the drums.

  • I take a break from Wonkette for one week, and I miss a story about Nazi yiffing?

    Way to teach me a very harsh lesson, there, Dok.

    • doktorzoom

      I was pleased with “Yiff in Heil, Nazi freaks.”

      • BouncyFlyer

        They may actually -like- the face-fucking demons as that’s probably the only sex they’ll ever get that they didn’t pay for.

  • Angela Ruzzo

    This infiltration of the Furry movement by Nazis and alt-right types is interesting to me, because I’ve been hanging out with Renaissance Festival folk for about 30 years while dressed as a 16th century Duchess or a Highland Lass or a Fairy Queen, and I have never encountered any strong political opinions from the cast members or “playtrons.” I’m sure they have all kinds of political opinions, but it never comes up in conversation. We are there to escape from the modern world, we don’t want to bring it with us. We drink a lot of beer at the Festivals, maybe this helps?

    Renaissance Festival Motto:
    Beer: Helping White Men Dance for 1000 Years. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/80017993ea6fcb73530a3ac751a395d1798faec95483529c21250d50cbe01173.jpg

    • h4rr4r

      1040 at least, since weihenstephaner has been a brewery since then.

      • Swampgas_Man

        Scuse me, but we’ve had beer since the Picts, at least.

        • doktorzoom

          Picts or it didn’t happen.

          • Swampgas_Man

            DAMMIT, you got there before me!

        • h4rr4r

          He said it made white people dance since, not how long we have had it.

          Beer is from the fertile crescent, from a lot longer ago than that.

    • Gregory Brown

      Beer is God’s way of telling us that he loves us and wants us to be happy.

      • Swampgas_Man

        Beer does more than Milton can,
        To justify God’s ways to Man.

        • Gregory Brown

          I toast your majestic couplet.

          • Swampgas_Man

            I’m not the writer.

          • Gregory Brown

            I toast your quote of a majestic couplet.

      • Angela Ruzzo

        Ah, yes, I have that on my favorite t-shirt. Ben Franklin definitely knew his beer, and I hear he was a great dancer.

    • I’ve found a ton of them (on the euro side that is) but same experience. I think this is some sort of ‘SJW-style entryism ploy’ they have going on while being authentically interested in history means they’ll actually stay on topic, even if they sometimes wander off into musing about who the modern-day El Cid would be.
      A lot of the Deutschvolksunion Partei was fairly active in HEMA, but good luck finding any references on paper. Meanwhile these furry ones LEAD with “Hi, I’m ____ and I’m an authentic Nazi, no joke!” like they’re alcoholics attending their first AA meeting.
      Also a lot of crossover with the Warhammer groups too (the fantasy one)
      I think the lack of a non-military monk-like “fighting order” in many regions might be part of the cause of the overt resurgence, come to think of it.

      • Angela Ruzzo

        What you say sounds like a very masculine trend in the groups you mention. In the US, women play a dominant role in the Ren Faire crowd that I hang out with, and we are not interested in monks or “fighting orders.” We talk about corsets and hoop skirts and how to use a commode while wearing them (this is an art form). But there is a sizeable contingent of men who are into making their own armor and weapons who might be what you describe, however I rarely interact with them. If they are Nazis, they keep very quiet about it. American Ren Faires lean more toward the bawdy and the regal side of historical fantasy. There are lots of bosomy pirate wenches (not very accurate historically) and fairies and princesses. The group I hung out with at Bosworth Battlefield in England was definitely much more into serious history, canons, historically-accurate costumes and food, and battle trivia than any American group I’ve visited with. Perhaps this is because they live where the real history happened, and in the US we are just play-acting.

        I was watching episodes of the UK series “Time Team” a few years ago, and it annoyed me that British people can dig a hole in their back yard to plant a rose bush, and find a Roman coin or a Viking pot sherd or a Celtic buckle. I could dig a hole in my back yard in the US for a lifetime and never find anything like that. There is very little “history” where I live other than the Pioneers and Jesse James. The Native Americans had a very rich history, but white people erased it. I live not too far from Cahokia Mounds, which is a fantastic Native American site, but we never learned a thing about it in school, or took a field trip to see it, nor are there Native American festivals held there. Instead, our school field trips took us to Arrow Rock, a nearby small town that prospered along the Santa Fe Trail in the mid 1800’s, where we pretended we were Tom Sawyer.

  • BetsyBleedingheart

    And speaking of Nazi memorabilia…the other day I had to tell my not-Jewish mother-in-law that it’s really not okay for her to keep her copy of Mein Kampf in the living room when my Jewish parents come to visit. She doesn’t see the problem, says she’s never read it all the way through, and says she only got it to satisfy her intellectual curiosity. I maintain (and thankfully my husband, his sister, and her husband agree) that she can be curious all she wants but that shit needs to go in her bedroom.

    • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

      I have a copy of Mein Kampf. The fucking thing is unreadable.

      • BetsyBleedingheart

        Can’t say as I’ve ever tried.

        • h4rr4r

          Knowing your enemy can be very useful.

      • Mehmeisterjr

        So kinda like Ayn Rand but in German?

        • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

          Probably more readable than Ayn Rand, actually.

          • Troj

            Yep, more readable than Ayn Rand.

      • Gregory Brown

        I have attempted to read Mein Kampf, and I read the bulk of his followup book, The Zweites Buch, in which he imagines a Europe dominated by the Reich, opposed to its ultimate enemy, the United States. Horrible writer and a bad, bad hombre.

    • HazooToo

      “I don’t see the problem” is not an answer when someone asks you to do something that will take you all of five seconds to do, and not inconvenience you in the slightest. Just move it for her, because if she won’t do it after you’ve asked and told her why, it’s because she actually wants them to see it.

    • Jukesgrrl

      I would have stolen it, disposed of it, and denied knowing anything about when she discovered her “loss,” which might have been months from now.

    • Troj

      What could you put in your living room to bother her? What’s her political or religious persuasion? This could be fun!

      Offhand, I’d say 120 Days in Sodom is always a winner.

  • eyelashviper

    The whole Furry thing is interesting, for sure. Yet there has never been a group of animals who LIKE to dress as humans…they are onto something there.

    • Animals are all exhibitionist nudists! The pervs!

      • Mehmeisterjr

        I’ve seen dogs wearing sweaters and vests (and hats, even!) but to be fair, I am not sure it was the dogs’ idea.

        • kareemachan

          And if you see a cat wearing clothing, you KNOW it wasn’t their idea.

          And they’ll probably pee on you when you’re sleeping in retaliation.

          If they have the energy to do so.

    • JD Mulvey

      Mr Limpet needed human eyeglasses, back when he was helping us beat the krauts in dubya-dubya 2.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9c5c98d3e32abf3b8d7714c310d6b464a0a2eeaf970a59ccbbebc0acd847dc25.jpg

      • doktorzoom

        Those fish-eye lenses do distort things some…

  • Hairstrike Alpha

    I’m not saying far right bronies are creepy but I wouldn’t be surprised if many of them owned panel vans without windows and big bags of candy…

  • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

    http://crooksandliars.com/2017/04/debbie-schlussel-accuses-sean-hannity
    Will Hannity be the next Fox News domino to fall? Sure hope so!

    • Lord Jim

      I am preparing a bucket to catch the tears I will shed over Hannity’s downfall.

      Just hope the gales of laughter don’t cause something to rupture.

  • I’m just wondering if these practitioner’s human eyes are as cold and dead as the eyes on their masks.

    • HazooToo

      Only the Nazi ones. My friend in SC is furry-lite, in that he doesn’t have the money for a fur-suit and I am kinda thinking he’d feel ridiculous as fuck wearing one. Especially because “South Carolina”. Way too hot for that bullshit.

      • theblackdog

        Meh, you don’t need a fursuit to be a furry, and whoever tries to say otherwise is full of shit.

  • Persistent Demme

    Like wolves don’t have enough problems!

  • So, if we mention Hitler in this discussion of alt-right furries have we instantly lost the argument thanks to Godwin’s Law?

    • HogeyeGrex
    • Elvis Causticfellow

      I was on an early online discussion group with Godwin. (This is true, it was called Echo.) His law was a coup, but I was always amused that it was about winning and losing an argument, because I’ve never known anyone who was so preternaturally obsessed with victory. I coined the nickname Gotta-win for him, which got me the Echo equivalent of at least seven upfists.

    • Ants In My Eyes Johnson

      Godwin’s Law died the day a nazi-supported candidate was elected president.

  • RobKanC

    Fucking nazi furries!

    • Gregory Brown

      I hate Nazi furries almost as much as I hate Illinois Nazis.

  • Greg Comlish

    Were Nazi Bronies bullied too much? Or not bullied nearly enough?

  • thewalkindude

    Plans are reportedly being formulated in Whitehall to minimise the number of steps President Donald Trump must climb during his state visit to the UK.

    Government officials are attempting to make sure the trip runs smoothly and are apparently responding to reports that Trump has a phobia of steps and slopes.

    The president has criticised his predecessor for his way of using stairs. In 2014, he tweeted: “The way President Obama runs down the stairs of Air Force One, hopping and bobbing all the way, is so inelegant and unpresidential. Do not fall!”

  • Red Bird Ω

    So perfect that they have to keep reminding people of it.

  • ♚ King Leo ♚

    While we’re talking about awful sub-groups of the alt-right, has anyone mentioned the short MRAs?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/04d43624a1532795e9534c8f7995c08d6eb4f494d1ff52e4ec3d1afb4e8ed47c.jpg

    • h4rr4r

      As a guy who is 5’7″ and is not this kind of loser I say “HAHA, she thinks​ you are a child because you act like a toddler”.

      • Ω cynmac will never surrender

        I guess her username @idiot_teen didn’t help him any?

    • Elvis Causticfellow

      Dude, it’s the hat.

    • IdRatherBeDancing

      short snowflake

    • Anna Elizabeth

      Oh my fucking gawd that’s funny!

      • ♚ King Leo ♚

        I feel kinda bad for the guy right up until the bit about the beard

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Well, of COURSE it was a SJW causing the problems! Nazi fucks never cause problems!

    • Braheem Hazeem III

      Prove they are Nazis, hey your a nazi and racist cause I’m ignorant and said so.

      • mancityRed6

        *you’re

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          Right before you, I tried to leave an apostrophe as a comment. Disqus apparently decrees that comments must have a minimum of two characters.

          • Amy!

            “Take these: ‘e

            I have extras.”

            ?

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Your a deer.

          • Amy!

            Thanks! That really bucks me up!

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Bet you have guys fawning over you all the time, right?

          • Amy!

            Only in the proper season.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Sorry. I’m in a rut right now.

          • Amy!

            D’oe!

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            That’s it. I’m gonna hoof it out of here.

          • mancityRed6

            damn

        • pstockholm

          See, grammar nazi, whaddidIsay?

        • SeeTrain65

          Like shooting fish in a barrel sometimes, isn’t it?

          • mancityRed6

            when there’s nothing in their argument to refute because it’s either baseless or just plain nonsense, there’s only one place left to go with a troll.

  • The late beloved Lemmy of Motörhead is about the only collector of Nazi memorabilia whom I would trust to not be an actual Nazi.

    • Mike

      IDK, it’s weird now. Back in the 60’s my dad had a friend who collected all kinds of Nazi stuff. He said he got started by taking a pistol from a German officer he killed with his bare hands (or so the story goes) and it grew into buckles, rank pins, and all kinds of personal stuff that others also claimed to have taken from those they killed.
      Looking back, it was more morbid than anything else…

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Gotta keep that one in my back pocket: “I knew Lemmy from Motorhead. Lemmy from Motorhead was a friend of mine. You, sir, are no Lemmy from Motorhead”.

    • SeeTrain65

      He’s too busy being God.

  • Ezio, Card Game Warrior
    • Jukesgrrl

      I saw one sign that read “You know you’re in trouble when the introverts march.”

  • William
  • Elvis Causticfellow

    I thought Nazis hated furrin’ people.

    • Mehmeisterjr

      Missed it by a hair.

      • thixotropic jerk

        That was hairlarious!!!

  • Elvis Causticfellow

    I am in a Manhattan bar, where I just heard a twentysomething urchin begin a joke, “So this guy goes into a bookstore and says to the librarian…”

  • IdRatherBeDancing

    Me no get the furry thing, much less NAZI flurries — that’s a thing?

  • Celtic_Gnome

    Furry Nazis just aren’t very entertaining, trollwise.

    I haz a disapoint.

  • Everrett Fanuelli

    Serious question: What do White Supremacists eat? Do they just eat things that like white northern European countries eat? Not taco? Chinese food? Is pizza acceptable since it’s from southern Italy?

    • thixotropic jerk

      They only eat at White Castle

      • tehbaddr

        Castles have their place and time.

    • Elvis Causticfellow

      Wursts. And plenty of ’em.

      • Latverian Diplomat

        Weißwurst preferred.

    • mancityRed6

      mayo sandwiches (only) on white bread, maybe turkey. and plenty of milk for some reason. I don’t know which of the flavored lubes is their preferred one.

    • WomanInThePersistence
      • Pinkham’s Law

        *throws hand up enthusiastically* Me! ME!!!! That would be ME.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          The question was both sarcastic and rhetorical. And I promise never to serve it to you. Or allow it in my house, for that matter.

      • Jerry Noneofyourbizz

        Or lutefisk? Gelatinous ammonia! Mmm, mmm, mmm!

      • kareemachan

        “I like natto” said in a small voice.

    • OrdinaryJoe

      Haggis.

      • Me The People

        If a white supremacist were to attempt to eat haggis, he would die.

    • The Flaming Carrot

      They subsist on a rich diet of Mallow Cream.

    • theblackdog

      Whatever their mom makes them.

    • ahughes798

      Schnitzel and Hasenpfeffer. Beer. Pizza is not acceptable because people from southern Italy are darker complexioned than northern Italians.

  • Braheem Hazeem III

    Oh hey look! I was quoted by a sjw snowflake, I’m still waiting for this evidence that the Colorado raiders are Nazis or have shown any of the hate and lies you snowflakes like to promote.oh you have a picture of the guy with his arm up, I wonder what it would have looked like if you actually got some perspective on the situation. Don’t you have a riot to attend? Please go get a real job or go join CNN cause you both put forth about the same amount of investigation and truth. Hey since SJWs have made up this alt right word (aka I don’t agree with you so I’m going to make up hateful terms). I’m just gonna start calling SJWs and libs alt-left.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      You know why it’s called “dearshitferbrains”, right?

      • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

        He’s being kind enough to demonstrate, in fact. Awfully considerate of him.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          It’s more impressive in person, right?

          And by “impressive” I mean rediculous”.

    • mancityRed6

      you do know that Dick Spencer was the one to come up with the alt right term, right?

      • Juan de Fuca

        That guy that’s kind of like – a real nazi?

      • Braheem Hazeem III

        Yes I know, the problem is that it is so commonly used for anyone who has a different point of view. Instead of being used to describe real white supremacists.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      This word salad needs more ranch.

    • Juan de Fuca
    • Pinkham’s Law

      While possible, it’s unlikely that you’ll gt an encore appearance next week. Good effort at it, though!

    • mancityRed6

      first, I didn’t realize “alt right” was a hateful term.
      second, I don’t see how “alt left” is going to hurt anyone’s feelings.

      • Latverian Diplomat

        “It’s hateful when other people use it, because they lack the tone of appreciation and affection we adopt when we apply it to ourselves.”
        — The Alt-Right

    • tehbaddr

      Oh, you’ve come back to see how we poke fun at you and your ilk.

      • Braheem Hazeem III

        I really don’t care what a career college student liberal thinks, nice try though!

        • tehbaddr

          You must be mistaken, I’m not a career student, a professor and scientist, yes. You wouldn’t likely know much about that sort of thing though.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Why on earth would this person think that being a liberal is insulting?

          • IdRatherBeDancing

            the 80s called and it wants it meme back, I guess.

          • thixotropic jerk

            Sick Bern!
            Now let me trai:
            What is the sound of one RWNJ Troll fapping in his mommy’s basement?

          • Regret

            Trick question!
            His arms are too short to reach around his belly.

          • Dazza

            I know, right? I LOVE being called a Social Justice Warrior – because I am one (thanks for noticing).

          • HogeyeGrex

            I have a hard time imagining the mind of a creature who considers justice, of any type, a bad thing.

          • Granny Sprinkles

            What kind of weirdo would be willing to fight for a just society? It’s crazy!

          • Historicat

            I started out as a Social Justice Warrior but when I level up I think I’m going to multi-class as a Social Justice Bard.

          • tehbaddr

            It’s all based in the hateful twisted mind.

          • HogeyeGrex

            Maybe the same reason he thinks “sjws” made up the term “alt-right.” Because he’s fucking stupid.

            Sorry, Minidick Neverlaid III, just like “teabagger,” “alt-right” was conceived of by the people who identify as such. Can’t blame that shit on anyone else.

          • VirginiaLady

            Sour grapes.

          • Pinkham’s Law

            If you’re a scientist, doesn’t that imply that you are continuously learning – thereby making you, literally, a career student?

          • CripesAmighty

            No, it just makes you a HERETIC!!! BURN HEATHEN!!11.. ad infinitum, ad nauseum…

          • tehbaddr

            OK, as well then we are all students of life, no?

        • Serai 1
        • IdRatherBeDancing

          so much resentful snowflake here — what? the cool kids didn’t let you sit at their table? I am sure there is therapy for that.

        • LonelyTelescope

          So much resentment for someone who actually went to college!

        • (((Aron)))

          Is Richard Spencer an ‘sjw?’

    • IdRatherBeDancing

      Obviously, this has gotten under your lily white skin. And we are the snowflakes. hahahaha.

    • Serai 1
    • Dazza

      What a strange person. And, oh myyyy, what a tedious comment history s/he has. Too boring, so I am blocking her/him.

    • OddMan

      Gee wiz Braheem, for a person who has a Corsair h110i v2, with the ASRock x99 itx board and a GTX 1080; you really are a piece of work. You have no there there my friend.
      Blocked.

    • thixotropic jerk

      tl;dr
      see also cuck crazzey for cuck
      and sad low energy

    • doktorzoom

      “This generation”? Darn kids with their loud hippetty-hoppitty music and their eyeball piercings! I’ll be 55 in a couple months, myself, and intend to wear an onion on my belt to celebrate.

      As for the “do your research” part: As I noted in the first piece and in this one, “Deo” did indeed make a generic, not especially funny joke about “punching Nazis” at about the same time Richard Spencer got punched, and “Olivia” — a now-deleted account — Tweeted back that it would be great to see “Deo” shot by someone in self-defense. I included the string of tweets. “Deo” then sent the tweets to the hotel and the organizers of the convention, saying she was concerned the other person was planning to bring a gun to the con. Frankly, I think both “Deo” and the hotel overreacted, since neither “Deo” nor “Olivia” was making an actionable threat (mind you, I’m not a lawyer).

      As to whether “Foxler Nightfire” or the Furry Raiders are white supremacists, I think the New Statesman and Daily Beast pieces I link to in this article make a fairly strong case that at best, “Foxler’s” explanations are awfully convenient. He had no idea why anyone would have negative reactions to Nazi imagery? I suppose it’s conceivable someone could be that stupid, but it’s a stretch. Then again, this video posted a ways downthread by the author of the Dogpatch Press story certainly could be seen as evidence that “Foxler” is indeed an idiot: https://twitter.com/DeoTasDevil/status/855604541135478784

      The opinion that the Raiders are either neo-Nazi or sympathetic to white nationalism comes from sources in the furry community, not from the mainstream media. But it’s always nice to be lectured to do my research by someone who is unaware that white nationalists coined the term themselves. Take care, the strawmen in your own post may topple over and hurt you. (That’s a pun, not a threat. I have no hay bales available to me.)

      • JD Mulvey

        Geez Doc… next you’re going to say that calling someone a “snowflake” isn’t hilarious.

      • IdRatherBeDancing

        That is so much more than this knucklehead deserves.

      • SeeTrain65

        HB III? All I hear is “BR-549.”

    • pixeloid

      “Alt-Right” is a term the fascists created all by themselves and has nothing to do with SJWs. The easily offended delicate snowflakes of the fright-wing created a safe-space for themselves and called it alt-right.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

    • Carole

      Just curious – do you use your Bronie name on Breitbart?

    • Carole

      Congratulations . . . your posts have created about 15 hours of comedic material for my 13 year old. And I had gone to such lengths to implore her to respect Furries, too.

    • Evidence besides all the pictures they take of themselves doing nazi salutes and with nazi cartoon characters and such what?
      I mean, you want more evidence than all the nazi imagry they like to post all over their medias?
      Ok then!

      Also, Richard Spencer, a right wing nazi, made up alt-right. So there is that!
      And also lolz at you calling us snowflakes but takes someone’s punch a nazi threat on twitter as a real threat to pee your fur suit over.
      OOOOO SO BRAVE.

    • jaspersdad

      Stop digging. You don’t appear to be properly equipped. (yes, this is a dick joke, or is it?)

    • Anna Elizabeth

      Boring loser. *block*

      • kareemachan

        As did I.

    • memzilla Ω

      You really can’t do anything but regurgitate wingtard talking points, can you? Tell your bot master to go sit on a hakenkreuze, sideways.

      • ahughes798

        He’s the special snowflake..he and his ilk can’t stand to be called out on their racist bullshit, and when you do, they turn into WHINY LITTLE BITCHES.

    • Kitty Smith

      As much as you may like to deny it…

      https://youtu.be/a3xXPLxybvU?t=19

    • Colin

      I scanned comments pretty much exclusively to see if “Braheem” was stupid enough to get baited into commenting again…
      “Snowflakes”
      Soooo satisfied! Good stuff!!!

    • Regret

      Aww cute, it thinks it has ‘thoughts!’
      Now normally I think judging people by the group they belong to is immoral, but I make an exception for nazis. You don’t deserve rights.

  • tehbaddr

    WOW! Just don’t know where to start with the alt.* under any guise that is white nationalism, and basically a throw back to how Old Adolf got started.

    “others are simply into kinky costumes”

    Well there’s a way to do that for kink: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-i2cyOqnK8RM/T_mg6ZbeUYI/AAAAAAAAAXk/XMqQEhQ_gis/s1600/DSC_0693.jpg

    A way to do that bad, stupid wrong sexy Nazi nurse: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/resources/images/3346778.jpg?type=article-full

    But the weird thing that get’s me is the sexy librarian/secretary Nazi look, so hot!: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/12/21/article-1099442-02DE5108000005DC-953_468x313.jpg

    • E.A. Blair

      As Emo Phillips said, “Women. You can’t live with ’em, can’t get ’em to dress up in skimpy little Nazi outfits.”

      • tehbaddr

        Did he really? The man is highly mistaken!

  • ~ ☆ míkhαílα ☆ ~ 【忠実反抗】
    • Blackest Noobs

      doesn’t that go again the code of bronies?

  • Blackest Noobs

    Furries are Nazi-wannabes?
    like when did Furries start wearing clothing over their Furry characters?
    WHAT?!?

    Jesus, the world is so fucked up.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      I blame Mickey Mouse, that clothes-wearing freak, for corrupting the furry youth.

  • Serai 1
    • tehbaddr

      Gill, why?

      • Latverian Diplomat

        John Gill: Most efficient collection…of douchebags… Earth ever knew.
        Spock: Quite true, Captain. That tiny collection of douchebags, beaten, bankrupt, defeated; flooded the Internet with hate speech and ludicrous nonsense.
        Capt. Kirk: But it was brutal, perverted; had to be destroyed with lots and lots of votes. Why that example?
        Spock: Perhaps Gill felt that such a collection douchebags, run benignly, could accomplish its masturbation and cheeto eating without sadism.

  • Beemo

    What’s next? #AltOtaku? #AltEmo? #AltWhovian? #AltHomestuck?

    SMH.

    • TC

      Considering the number of trump supporters I’ve seen with their shitty anime waifus as profile pictures, I think altotaku is already a thing….

    • tehbaddr

      Exactly! Alt.* the world isn’t the way I like it!

    • pixeloid

      Well, when it comes to AltOtaku, there are already some fascistic anime series out there that we can’t blame on fans.

    • vivian

      AltTrek

      • Lambsendbeds

        NOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!

      • Lily412

        “Let me just put on my tinfoil hat and tell you about what tribbles REALLY mean.”

    • Mark Lungo

      Sshhh! Don’t give them ideas!

  • OrdinaryJoe

    This whole “furry” things makes me think we need to start a War on Halloween.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      We need to restore the traditional conception of Halloween as a night to propitiate the spirit world.

    • CripesAmighty

      Why not? Billo needs a job.

    • VirginiaLady

      Easter. Cue the Spicer Bunny.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    My question is, how do dry cleaners feel about furries? Great repeat customers? Not worth the hassle?

    And then of course, one can ask the same thing about Nazi regalia, I suppose.

    • doktorzoom

      I suppose dry cleaners charge extra for drano.

    • The Sifaka Says

      Typically, you don’t dry clean something that is safe to throw in the washing machine.

    • theblackdog

      Most fake fur is gentle cycle washable since it’s basically nylon

    • WereScrib

      There’s a huge divide between fursuiters and murrsuiters. But yes, normally murrsuiters use low quality suits that can be washed relatively easily. This is partially because many suit makers refuse to repair murrsuiters suits, or sell to them if they’re outted.

  • pixeloid

    “the current wave of “alt-right” fans of white nationalism and Trump haven’t actually annexed the Sudetenland or built any concentration camps.”

    Well, not yet, but their plans to make the US Empire great again involve a lot of invasions and putting a lot of non-white and non-Christian folks in death camps detention.

    • At least, unlike that other psychopath, they’re not going to bother South America. They must be so thankful after 60-odd years of endless government toppling all they’re receiving IS a wall.

  • Ezio, Card Game Warrior

    How alt right trolls look when they try to post these stupid rants on Wonkette (hint they are Chikorita) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/80747ec659a6e13223e41b936b9dc68645d998abc667e50e186c4c8d0d2204a0.gif

  • pixeloid

    “That’s an adaptation of the white nationalist ’14 words’ slogan, ‘We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.’ Cute, huh?”

    If you like that, here’s another lovely site:
    http://mynationalistpony.tumblr.com

  • persistently_resistant_gayby

    I think this is my weirdest day yet when I learn that the My Little Pony has been co-opted by some Nazis….

    Where do I begin….

    • WomanInThePersistence

      There is no place to begin. This is madness.

    • They are attempting to co-opt.
      Don’t let them.

      • persistently_resistant_gayby

        Ugh, I might have to actually use my karate moves now..

        • I come to you with only Karate,empty hands. I have no weapons.
          But should I be forced to defend myself, my principles or my honor,
          Should it be a matter of right or wrong, death or life,
          Then here are my weapons, Karate, my empty hands.

          Bonus, you can stick snark, my witty tongue in for that.

    • TundraGrifter

      Does anyone ever just “opt?” Or does it have to be “opt in” or “opt out?”

      Guess I’m opt of it.

    • been around since the 90s, started out of Bulgaria’s nationalist party. ThisCrispyKat is one of the holdovers from back then. The .mythology newsgroup had a couple.

      • BouncyFlyer

        This Crispy Kat went straight from the sugar bowl of Care Bear drawings to making a Nazi Care Bear sona, no joke. Dunno what she was trying to do there, other than drive people away. Nuts.

  • The reason they take to feminism things like this is the same they humped pepe: They delight in “taking things away” from those “others”

    • lowenufc

      These asshats could ruin a fart.

    • gratuitous

      They’re not a real imaginative or creative group of pin-dicked bug-fuckers, but who would expect otherwise?

  • mfp

    “mar-a-gulago”…i am totalling stealing that 😉

    • doktorzoom

      Please do. I know *I* did!

  • The Sifaka Says

    Libertarian furries be like… Huh?…

  • William
  • CriticalDragon1177

    Doktor Zoom,

    This derp cannot be unseen!

    • Relativicus

      And?

    • CriticalDragon1177

      Like it or not, nothing except forgetting history is going to remove the Nazis’ taint from that symbol, and forgetting about Nazi Germany and the horrible things that regime did, would be a bad thing.

      • doktorzoom

        I for one would prefer to stay far away from any Nazi’s taint.

        • CriticalDragon1177

          So would I. Sadly the Nazis had to pick a symbol with a deep cultural and religious meaning to a lot of people.

      • Serai 1

        If someone finds a way to uncouple the swastika from that madness, I’m all for it. I hate seeing beautiful things perverted to evil. For instance, I refuse to stop using the name Isis in its proper context. The fuckers trying to ruin that goddess’s name will get no help from me. Taking things BACK from the forces of evil is an honorable goal.

    • TundraGrifter

      Not to be all technical, but I think that “Celt” image is a “three legs of man” symbol. A whole ‘nother smoke.

    • MisterShoebox

      There’s also a dungeon in the original Legend of Zelda game called “Manji,” fun fact.

    • Serai 1

      Years ago I had a drawing of the swastika as used by a Southwestern tribe here in the States. It consisted of sticks, leaves, and rocks laid out on the ground, to be used as a meditation symbol. The arms corresponded to the four directions and the four cross-quarters, but the thing I always remembered about it was the idea that the center embodied another direction, which was inwards, and was referred to as the “mystic middle”.

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  • EER

    There is a certain type of personality that hates everything you like. Not you personally, but…it is reactive. If we tell Drumpf we like puppies, will he kill puppies? Possible. Unless Ivanka. Oops, out of town thus dead puppies. inciting symbols, same

  • badtonto

    All I can say is, INTERNETZ BADD!! :)

    • Meccalopolis

      I don’t know, this seems to me like the kind if story that makes the internet great. Thanks doc!

  • badtonto

    …and I actually had a furries guy wanting to date me a couple of years back. He sent me pics and actually look pretty cute in his ‘arf arf WOOF’ doggie costume but when he then informed me he would insist on keeping his ‘grrrrrrWOOF’ costume on DURing ‘teh secks’, I decided that was a little too weird, even for ME! 😬 (though I must admit that I was tempted to give that doggie a bone!) 😏

  • Oblios_Cap

    These people just make me want to howl with outrage.

    • theblackdog

      There’s a fine for unauthorized awoo

  • TundraGrifter

    “You can’t tell the difference after dark.”

  • SecludedCompound

    what really pisses me off is It is an insult to those who have died and suffered under the conditions of actual fascism. Not this, “my feelings are hurt” crap.

    It’s amazing how these people who are sticking up for neofascist trolls always tell us about how much they care about the victims of neofascism only when telling us not to fight against neofascists.

  • MisterShoebox

    Look. Here’s my two cents. If you are a brony, which I incidentally am, fine! More power to you! If you clop (That’s whack off to MLP porn for those of you who don’t speak Bronish. Bronyese? Fandom term), um…okay, cool, just don’t let me know about it. What you do in the glow of your own computer screen is your business.

    If you use your love of the ponies to justify your alignment and support for what is inarguably one of the most horrific, suppressive, and – least we forget – GENOCIDAL regimes in the history of mankind, and at the same time say that you are just an Alt-right supporter, when you have a F***CKIGN SWASTIKA on your web page or in your avatar or whatever…go away and stick your head in a pig.

    • Gregory Brown

      I’ll say one thing: at least you folks aren’t as weird as the flat earthers.

    • doktorzoom

      Belated kudos for the Sirius Cybernetics reference!

  • WereScrib

    Welp, some things of note.

    No, the furry nazi symbolism is mostly not actually indicative of white fascism and fascism or even right leaning politics. Yeah its stupid and confusing. But generally its pretty clear to people in the fandom the difference between Nazifurs (and really, the crazed Libertarian Furs, is probably who should be pointed at) and the furry-armband furs. Yes there’s some overlap.

    But to be totally honest, most “Nazi fur” Stuff is more aligned with Nazisploitation films like Love Camp 7, rather than films like Birth of a Nation.

    As for the bronies: This is pretty predictable. There are jokes older than the fandom about how evil Celestia is, with the rather famous OBEY poster. She’s been compared to HItler since the dawn of the show–but err. Usually in humor.

    That said, yeeeep. Furrydom is a diverse place filled with people who are on the fringe of society. We’ve been growling about the actual Nazifurs, cub-porn and crazy frickin’ Libertarian sexists like Jay Naylor since the mid 90s at least.

    • WereScrib

      Another thing to unfortunately note is: Alt-furry and Alt.Furry are going to get confused.

      Alt.Furry refers to some of the original lifestyle boards on Usenet and is one of the places where furrydom first really started expanding in the early 90s. Some sites and furs still reference their allegiance to alt.furry and other alt. usenet boards.

      …So like, uh. Watch what people say because the radical right is fuckin’ up our fandom. God damn. Please.

    • Vladiatör △hmadinejad

      Well I think all you people are freakin’ nuts! GET HELP FOR YOUR MENTAL ILLNESS!

    • Serai 1
    • Lily412

      I didn’t know about Jay Naylor. Disappointing.

  • Serai 1
    • Gregory Brown

      That is so very disturbing. Do rabbit furries crap giant rabbit pellets?

      • davidhollenshead

        Rabbits, like Guinea Pigs have a two pass digestive system, so they crap hard pellets, which they eat, and they also crap soft pellets, which they don’t eat.

        • Gregory Brown

          Ah, the wonders of nature. Deer also crap pellets. Same thing?

          • C4TWOMAN

            No, I don’t think so. Deer are ruminants.
            [checks wikipedia]
            They just throw up in their mouths, rechew and swallow again.
            So Bambi libelz!

          • Gregory Brown

            Sorry Bambs. You have not experienced the full spectrum of what life has to offer until you have stood next to a pasture in which about 80 Holsteins are staring vacantly at you, while chewing.

          • C4TWOMAN

            They’re probably thinking, “What’s this asshole doing in our field? Should we stampeded it?”

          • Gregory Brown

            Having worked in dairy country, I can assure you there was barely one thought among them. “I like chewing.”

          • sarafina

            I think you are giving the cows too much credit there.

          • Gregory Brown

            When I was a reporter I did a column for my newspaper on the question: Are cows stupid? My sources were local dairy farmers, and interestingly they were divided on the issue. Some farmers declared that they were dumb as stumps, and others cited examples that convinced them that cows could be pretty smart. A friend who lived with his parents on a century farm that raised Jerseys told about the time when he was a boy and had to bring the cows in for milking every day in the barn, about one animal who would go and stand in the muddiest, swampiest part of the pasture when he had gathered all the other girls near the gate. He’d have to squelch over through the muck to get her moving, at which point all the other cows would have wandered off. He’d get them all herded together, only to find his nemesis standing out in the mud again. He said she drove him crazy with that game, and seemed to be entirely aware of it.

          • ahughes798
          • Gregory Brown

            I actually agree that there are smart cows. They just don’t often get a chance to display their genius.

          • ahughes798

            I like cows, they’re generally gentle things. I used to sit in the neighbor’s pasture when I was a kid…not a cow in sight, and sure enough, they’d start walking up, until you were surrounded by a circle of cows. It’s kind disconcerting when they lick you, though. But they were really tame, gentle and sweet. Do not try this at home!

          • Gregory Brown

            That seems to be the nature of cows. There is hardly a mean one among them. Although, as my friend, from a long line of dairy farmers warned me: COWS CAN KICK IN ANY DIRECTION. He spoke from experience. So if you are intent upon annoying a cow, be cognizant of that fact.

          • ahughes798

            Having attempted to milk one of the neighbor’s cows by hand, I learned in person what the term “cow kick” means. Luckily, it was just a warning kick, as those cows were really used to people.

          • Gregory Brown

            They can be pretty sensitive to cold hands on the old teats, not to mention a lack of proper technique.

  • Coaldust Earthpony

    Oh God that #broniesfortrump guy. I seriously hope he’s some kind of troll. Sickens me to think people like that exist in my fandom.

    • doktorzoom

      Nahh, he’s quite real. See the next Dear Shitferbrains for a little more on these charming folks.

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