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BREAKING JOURNALISM REPORT FROM GLENN GREENWALD’S SHITTY INTERTUBES BLOG SITE! Greenwald, who is BFFs with Julian Assange and has the oddest boner for Russia, runs The Intercept, which has released a very important study that reveals, once and for all, that Rachel Maddow is in the tank for actual journalism. Did you know she spends a lot of time on her TV program covering the Trump Russia scandal? Did you know that, according to Donald Trump and douche-sticks like Glenn Greenwald, the Trump Russia scandal is not even a thing? Why is Maddow so stupid and dumb?

The big scoop, which tries to answer those questions, was not written by Greenwald, but by some guy called Aaron Maté. It was actually published last week, but we guess it took a minute for it to make its away into the wider world of internets, which is lame because Russian intelligence propaganda usually goes way faster than that. Luckily Fox News, which is just at good at journalism as Greenwald is, picked up the story. We sure wouldn’t have found it otherwise, because We. Do. Not. Read. The. Intercept.

Anyway, it is very WHOA IF TRUE:

The Intercept conducted a quantitative study of all 28 TRMS episodes in the six-week period between February 20 and March 31. Russia-focused segments accounted for 53 percent of these broadcasts. […]

Maddow’s Russia coverage has dwarfed the time devoted to other top issues, including Trump’s escalating crackdown on undocumented immigrants (1.3 percent of coverage); Obamacare repeal (3.8 percent); the legal battle over Trump’s Muslim ban (5.6 percent), a surge of anti-GOP activism and town halls since Trump took office (5.8 percent), and Trump administration scandals and stumbles (11 percent).

TIME WELL SPENT. The report has charts with percentages and everything. Lookie:

Golly! Rachel Maddow sure is talking about Russia a lot these days, according to that chart, or according to literally anyone who watches her show regularly. It’s almost like she sees all the mountains of evidence of weird connections between Trump and Russia and wants to report on it, like it might be the political scandal of all our lifetimes. Silly Rachel!

Moreover, what’s up with the FBI conducting a massive investigation into this for over a year now, and the Senate Intelligence Committee doing a truly bipartisan investigation, and all our allies handing over intelligence they’ve picked up of collusion between Team Trump and Russia? Do none of them read important journalism website The Intercept? Do they not understand that when people anonymously leak Trump Russia stories to the Washington Post, that those stories are invalid, whereas when people (Russians) leak things to Greenwald’s pals over at WikiLeaks, those are true and good and pure stories?

We are beginning to think a good thing for The Intercept to do would be to open up a summer journalism camp, to teach Rachel Maddow and Wonkette and Mother Jones and the FBI and British intelligence and German intelligence and the CIA and the Washington Post, and everybody else we’re forgetting who’s investigating and reporting on the alleged “Trump Russia scandal,” how to do do stuff better. Obviously they have information none of us is S-M-R-T enough to understand.

They also have #advice for Maddow and the rest of us, about how we should really be talking about how #HillarySux, and Be Nice To Russia, because hey, even if Russia did attack our election, it’s not as bad as what America did this one time dot dot dot yadda yadda yadda.

Point being: Keep up the good work, Rachel Maddow, and The Intercept can go get fucked, as per usual.

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  • GoutMachine

    That chart aspires to Fox News-levels of chart deception but doesn’t quite hit the mark.

  • MynameisBlarney

    She’s only covering the BIGGEST FUCKING STORY of our time so in depth simply because no one else will, you fucking bastards!

    GAH!

  • Anna Elizabeth

    Not making any bones about it: I truly hate the Glenn Greenwalds, et al. and the slack-jawed braying MAGA-hatters that follow them.

    These subhumans are the enemies of all thinking people.

    • MassiveQuantitiesofPie

      The worst part is that it’s not just MAGAers. A lot of leftists trust Greenwald, Snowden, Assange, etc. and that trust is what ruined this election. Most MAGAers are just run of the mill GOP voters and were guaranteed Trump votes. Their buying into the propaganda was helpful but not crucial. But he couldn’t have won without leftists getting snookered by Wikileaks, Russia Today, Sputnik, The Intercept, ZeroHedge, etc. into hating Clinton, defending Putin, and voting for Stein or Johnson or staying home.

  • WiscoJoe

    Does this constitute a “war on journalism” or does that only apply when people criticize Greenwald?

    Anyhoo, negative nationalists like this are just as fucked up and dangerous as nationalists. Just ask Orwell.

    • JMP

      Greenwald’s the only REAL JOURNALIST out there, of course.

    • Reddishrabbit

      Amazing that he thinks like this as the reporter who brook the awful attack on gays in Chechnya is forced to flee for their life. That’s the real war on journalism. Fuck Greenwald.

      • Nockular cavity

        That. Now there’s a story that needs more attention.

      • WiscoJoe

        Over the past month The Intercept hasn’t covered Chechnya once, but have had plenty of time to whine about Rachel Maddow. Apparently, The Intercept feels this is an appropriate way to judge their reporting.

        • MassiveQuantitiesofPie

          Which pretty much proves where Greenwald’s loyalties lie.

  • msanthropesmr

    That’s a qualitative study, assholes. You’re not measuring change or effect, you’re describing something.

    • capnkrunch

      What makes a segment Russia-related plus the start and stop times of that segment are clearly a qualitative determination and beyond that there’s no methodology described so for all we know they just pulled the numbers from their asses.

      • Indivisible Snark Tank

        Well, they could have used memzilla’s excellent list (above, or below, depending on your settings), and called any story about any of those topics “Russian”. But if that were the case, I think it’d be a higher percentage than 50/50.

    • arundel

      It’s also meaningless and beside the point. Hey, Comrade Fuckheads at The Ivancept, maybe Rachel can report on whatever the fuck she wants for as long as she wants, da? So glad her superb work has them squirming and whining.

  • Dear Glenn, it is possible to both admit that the US does not have the greatest track record with respecting the sovereign status of other nations and still not want an outside power run by a tyrant to violate the sovereign status of the United States by helping to elect a giant orange man-baby whom they may or may not have compromised or flipped.

    • grindstone

      That may be too nuanced for today’s “journalists”.

  • Chadwells
  • msanthropesmr

    The lists of “journalists” who piss me off apparently has no bounds.

  • vivian

    This just in:
    Americans Think So! 47%
    Male 29%
    Female 17%
    Other 2ß%

    TrumpMath is fun! It’s like New Math but the numbers don’t
    have to actually represent anything!

    • snigsy

      Books with blank pages, empty math . . .

  • Hobbes’ Evil Twin

    What the hell happened to Greenwald? He was always a pretentious prick, but at least he used to be a pretentious prick about real issues, particularly NSA and (real) “wire tapps.” Does Bladimir have pee tapes of Glen, too?

    • Ricky Gay

      I wuz just gonna say…

    • Reddishrabbit

      I wonder that too. Back in the dark days of Bush and wiretapping etc, I followed him on Salon. But he seems to have strayed with Obama era into some weird associates, maybe his head got too big.

    • JMP

      He’s probably always been awful, but when he was going after the actual horrific scandals of the Bush administration you couldn’t tell because his targets deserved it; however when Obama took office and Glenn kept attacking him in the same way and insisting that he was just as bad as Bush because he hadn’t immediately ordered the American military disbanded, it because clear what an unhinged idiot Glenn really was.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      He’s always been that way- people on the left didn’t appreciate what a pretentious ass he was at the time because they were too busy enjoying the schadenfreude of his taking shots at the Bush administration.

    • An Outhouse for the Resistance

      He certainly has always been verbose. I could never stand his writing. He also had some scam going with the lady who used to run Fire Dog Lake. They obsconded with thousands of dollars donated for helping getting people elected.

      • Claire

        Ooh, really? I wondered whatever happened to that site.

        • mailman27

          Me too, also. And where’s Mike Pappantonio?

          • Claire

            Omg, that dude! The last I heard, the new PR guy said the internet drove a bus over him and set him on fire. He’s probably fundraising for his 2020 campaign.

    • MassiveQuantitiesofPie

      He never cared about any of that. He’s been a Putin agent all along, just like Assange. He got the left’s trust by printing things that Bush did that were wrong, just like Assange. He entrenched when Obama got in, turning harder leftists against him and Clinton, just like Assange. It’s exactly what their orders were so that when this election came along, those hard leftists would vote for Putin puppet Stein instead of big, bad evil Clinton and we’d be stuck with the real puppet, Trump.

      Putin and Manafort had been planning this for over a decade. He only needed the right timing and the right candidate. A corrupt, greedy, and unpatriotic candidate with a racist anti-intellectual following that had been primed by right wing media to see Putin ties as a good thing. He found him.

  • Tennessee Rain

    I like to point out to righties who claim the “Russia Thing isn’t really a Thing” that not one single part of the Steele Dossier has been debunked. Not one. It hasn’t all been verified, obviously, but none of it has been shown to be false. That’s some pretty serious there there. So, Run Rachel! Run! :D

  • msanthropesmr

    Just want to say that I hated Glenn Greenwald and Julian Assange before it was cool.

  • schmannity

    Douche sticks? I prefer my douche shaken, not stirred.

    –Double douche 7

  • WiscoJoe

    Always remember, Greenwald started out as a one of the first dudes to sit at his computer and raise contrarian arguments in early message boards just for the lulz. Then he found a way to profit off of it. He’s a real pioneer in internet assholery.

    • MynameisBlarney

      Seriously?

      That’s fucked up, lol

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        it’s true

      • Yes, but it describes Glenn to a T. He’s the guy who spent a few years bltihely waving aside the fact that he used to work for the Cato Institute (i.e.; the Koch Brothers think tank), along with supporting the Iraq war. Once the (obvious) unpopularity of the war became apparent, he pivoted off to yelling about Bush. Which is why he was considered “a liberal.” He’s not. He’s into whatever gets him attention and a paycheck, and he’ll cheerfully sell out whichever cause is no longer in that category.

  • JMP

    Reporting on a very real and important story that Greenwald and all the idiots who buy into his cult of personality want to pretend doesn’t exist because it goes against their worldview and shows what a tool of the fascist far right his buddy the rapist Julian Assange is? That’s so awful, if you’re a self-centered lying moron like Greenwald is. But the sad thing is even now there’s self-described “leftists” who still buy into his bullshit and refuse to admit that he’s a lying tool of the extreme right.

    • Reddishrabbit

      One thing to think the story isn’t big, another to actively try to undermine the reporting. No one is forcing Glen and co to report it, but he just has to attack others on reporting it. And not in any depth or meaning (like saying the Rice story was a nothing burger). Argh.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      More than a few of them. There’s a whole demographic of über leftists who have gotten themselves so twisted in knots that they now hate the mainstream left more than they do the right. To them, it’s become easy to be enamored of Donnie and company because they so enjoy seeing the attacks against the Dems and mainstream progressivism.

    • Claire

      I was on Team Snowden when the NSA stuff first broke, but damn, it did not take long for Assange’s and Greenwald’s essential assholery to become clear. Now John Schindler is complaining on Twitter that there are people on the Left denying that Snowden defected to Russia. Like, okay, I think the asshole argument in his case could go either way, but… he moved to Russia. And he lives there now. He moved there because they wouldn’t prosecute him and the US wanted to. Are there other criteria for “defecting” and I just don’t know what they are?

      • MassiveQuantitiesofPie

        He didn’t move to Russia. He ran away to the safety of a hostile dictator. Of course the US wanted to prosecute him, he got caught stealing classified information for the express purpose of harming the national security of the United States!

        He wasn’t some lifelong intelligence analyst who came across something that crossed the moral line for him and he was willing to sacrifice his life to release it for the public good and took great pains to only leak the most pertinent information. No, Snowden lied his way into a job for the express purpose of stealing classified information, the vast majority of which had nothing to do with NSA surveillance. He began downloading stolen information months before the event that he pretends was his breaking point even happened. There is also evidence that the Russians became so successful hacking US government systems because of information Snowden gave them.

        He hates this country, including Obama, Clinton, Social Security, and Medicare. He’s one of those who wants to “watch it burn” because he’s butthurt that he had to pay taxes. He also thought leakers should be shot, until he decided to become one. The word hypocrite doesn’t even begin to cover Snowden. At least Assange, loathsome as he is, is fairly transparent in his selfish motives and shallow agenda.

    • kindasorta

      Options:

      1. Admit that the Wikileaks hysteria around the DNC hacks produced no evidence of anything other than members of the DNC not liking Sanders, and that Russia planned it just to divide the Democrats and maximize Trump’s chances.

      2. Talk about how distracting any of the above is, from restructuring the Democratic Party as the sole property of white guys who like weed and want the NSA somehow eliminated.

      Leftists overwhelmingly choose #2.

  • memzilla Ω

    I don’t know – it’s hard for me to see any U.S. ties to Russia…except for the Flynn thing and the Manafort thing
    and the Tillerson thing
    and the Sessions thing
    and the Kushner thing
    and the Carter Page thing
    and the Roger Stone thing
    and the Felix Sater thing
    and the Boris Ephsteyn thing
    and the Rosneft thing
    and the Gazprom thing
    and the Sergey Gorkov banker thing
    and the Azerbaijan thing
    and the “I love Putin” thing
    and the Donald Trump, Jr. thing
    and the Sergey Kislyak thing
    and the Russian Affiliated Interests thing
    and the Russian Business Interests thing
    and the Emoluments Clause thing
    and the Alex Schnaider thing
    and the hack of the DNC thing
    and the Guccifer 2.0 thing
    and the Mike Pence “I don’t know anything” thing
    and the Russians mysteriously dying thing
    and Trump’s public request to Russia to hack Hillary’s email thing
    and the Trump house sale for $100 million at the bottom of the housing bust to the Russian fertilizer king thing
    and the Russian fertilizer king’s plane showing up in Concord, NC during Trump rally campaign thing
    and the Nunes sudden flight to the White House in the night thing
    and the Nunes personal investments in the Russian winery thing
    and the Cyprus bank thing
    and Trump not releasing his tax returns thing
    and the Republican Party’s rejection of an amendment to require Trump to show his taxes thing
    and the election hacking thing
    and the GOP platform change to the Ukraine thing
    and the Steele Dossier thing
    and the Leninist Bannon thing
    and the Sally Yates can’t testify thing
    and the intelligence community’s investigative reports thing
    and Trump’s reassurance that the Russian connection is all “fake news” thing
    and Spicer’s Russian Dressing “nothing’s wrong” thing
    so there’s probably nothing there
    since the swamp has been drained, these people would never lie
    probably why Nunes cancels the investigation meetings
    all of this must be normal
    just a bunch of separate dots with no connection.
    —Lane Crothers

    • Reddishrabbit
      • Toledo Window Box

        Vlad: “You have control over this imbecile Trump?”

        Rex: “No comment.”

    • Tennessee Rain

      Leave Donald Alone! You have NO PROOF!!!111!!!11!eleventy-one!!!11

      • boredcatlady

        Shut up HE WON

        • Toledo Window Box

          Exactly. Now he gets to grab all the pussy he wants, etc. /s

    • Michael R
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  • Vincent Ricola

    I, for one, am very much looking forward to the part of the investigation where we find out which US “news” websites were working along side Trump/Russia to push lying propaganda on the American people.

    And just so there’s no doubt, I’m talking specifically about that attention douche Glenn Greenwald and his alleged involvement.

  • Alan

    Wonkette has her beat. I’m guessing 90% is about what a douche Trump is.

    • vivian

      Who, Trump? That guy’s a douche!

    • WotsAllThisThen

      I thought this site was 90% about canned clams.

      • MynameisBlarney

        YOU MONSTER!

        • BigBoppa ~ Résistent

          Hey. You Monster is MY stripper name.

          • LucindathePook

            And well chosen, also too

      • anon_the_great

        Canned Clams is my stripper name

        • mailman27

          How dare you.

      • Tennessee Rain

        And the other 10% is cedar cheese and the cakes we like.

      • Mumen Rider Justice CRASH!

        No, no, it runs on canned clams.

        • CindyinEncinitas

          and alcohol.

        • theblackdog

          You MONSTER!

  • Hanaka

    Maddow is on a Beyonce level in my mind and heart always, but now more than ever here in the new cruelty. Maddow is also how I found this mommy blog in the first place.

  • Zonath

    That’s quite the chart up there. Seems like there might be more efficient methods through which you could represent the relative size of two numbers, though. But hey, if your readership really needs the visual aid…

  • An Outhouse for the Resistance

    Rachel has been beating FAUX in the ratings for her time slot. I’m sure her bosses have noticed. You know who hasn’t? Glenn Greenwald, because he is not the boss of Rachel.

  • memzilla Ω
    • Zonath

      Why are men so dumb?

      • Parakeetist

        Cooties.

      • snark-lurker

        it iz just are nature to be dumb…and stinky & creepy & lazy & horny & YES WE HAVE COOTIES! (pARAKEETIST)

      • MynameisBlarney

        We men not dumb.
        Just less smrt than womens.

      • arglebargle

        I ain’t a dumdum, but I’ll be damned if I’m gonna ask anyone for directions.

        • JoeChristmas

          Unfortunately they are baffling, cunning and powerful.

      • Meccalopolis

        Sorry

      • MassiveQuantitiesofPie

        They’re not dumb so much as insanely egotistical. Most will do anything to avoid admitting they were wrong much less that they were conned.

    • Claire

      Old white Republican men: still the scourge of the country.

      • Parakeetist

        “I have never seen a group of people in this country more sick than Republican men.” – Mike Malloy

    • Opalescent Riddles

      What I don’t understand is how those numbers could have ever been in the double digits to begin with.

      I’d also like to see them broken down by education level.

      • Farley Bot

        I think we all know the education levels.

      • theblackdog

        As I read on Twitter, there’s a pretty high floor for Republican presidents. GWB still had 25% support at his lowest despite the Iraq war and the beginnings of the financial crisis.

        • Opalescent Riddles

          I understand that about GWB, but the question isn’t about support, but readiness to believe his promises. This so-called president lies at every turn, and his promises are worthless.

  • Michael R
    • snark-lurker

      that is a Rachel Maddow i never knew, i like the one i do know now just fine

      • CindyinEncinitas

        She doesn’t really look happy there, does she?

        • Chris

          She looks like she spent a lot of time in a pool with a high chlorine content.

  • Mavenmaven

    How dare she report on actual news instead of fawning before His Majesty’s MOAB?

    • Tennessee Rain

      Oh Christ, I’m going to therapy after watching Geraldo jizz all over himself on Fox & Fiends. I really should send him the bill.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Maddow’s Russia coverage has dwarfed the time devoted to other top issues, including Trump’s escalating crackdown on undocumented immigrants (1.3 percent of coverage); Obamacare repeal (3.8 percent); the legal battle over Trump’s Muslim ban (5.6 percent), a surge of anti-GOP activism and town halls since Trump took office (5.8 percent), and Trump administration scandals and stumbles (11 percent).

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ffd18ef8614d2b81e5bbc3f8462544710e19f83899a8fea7771a5da00a3315db.jpg

  • WiscoJoe

    This criticism is fair if Rachel Maddow is your only source of news. I guess it’s not surprising that The Intercept can’t comprehend that most people get their news from several sources and are capable of following multiple stories at once. The world is a complex place. These are complex issues. Not everyone needs to laser focus on one or two pet causes in order to understand things.

    • Little Doll–MOAMF

      They do, otherwise it’s too hard! Probably 98% of them vote on a single issue.

  • anon_the_great

    From the Useful Idiots Bench comes The Intercept. It’s as if the Intercept has its nose up R/T butthole.

    As If.

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    time for a refresher on who and what GG is…

    (H/T to Trix for reposting this a few months ago)

    https://newrepublic.com/article/116253/edward-snowden-glenn-greenwald-julian-assange-what-they-believe

    • snigsy

      Thanks.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    The report has charts with percentages and everything. Lookie

    They call that a chart? My dogs could do a better job with the visuals FFS.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    we should really be talking about how #HillarySux

    I’d go look at their reasoning for this except, you know, it’s The Intercept…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/042f95b248360b3b25270ffb53a30c6cb7c6de536119527ad38af8afad2c0aac.jpg

  • capnkrunch

    Democrats have avoided constructive introspection on their seismic election loss by blaming the Kremlin.


    Also, The Intercept sure loves to uncritically reference RT. Like their refutation to every claim is “no it’s not because RT said so.” But consider this novel idea: the state run Russian media might have a slight pro-Russia bias that might not make them the best source. Nah…

  • cheetojeebus

    Is it time for an old fashioned Blog War? Seems like it’s been eons since we had one? geeze I can’t even remember the last one.

    • Maddow blog + Wonkette vs. Intercept? I’m all for it being on like Donkey Kong

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        as long as RM is bartending for our side

      • Claire

        I bet Raw Story would crash that fight like paratroopers dropping out of planes. Those motherfuckers are out for blood.

    • WARBLOG!!!

      I love the smell of cheeto dust in the morning.

      • cheetojeebus

        Just did a reconnoiter, christ, the comments are all 5000 word missives on Russia etc. One would get the impression that obsessively rolling one’s doody into little balls has reached an art form over there.

    • NastyBossetti

      We haven’t gone warblogging in like a decade!

  • Carpe Vagenda

    What Greenwald understands is that there’s a billionaire with a massive hard on for Russia who’s willing to spend a spectacular amount of money on buying his little conspiracy theory startup an entree (and a Pulitzer) from a press establishment that’s beyond pretending to give a fuck about journalism.

    • Not to mention that Russia is a paragon of human rights, particularly when it comes to LGBT issues! I read that somewhere on the internet, so it must be true!

      • Carpe Vagenda

        Much more supportive of his marriage than Obama.

    • snark-lurker

      Pulitzer is corrupted and no longer means a fucking thing to anyhbody

      • Beowoof14

        The prize to Dame Noonington was the proof.

  • WotsAllThisThen

    Can we see a breakdown of wonkette’s reporting? I’m guessing it’s:

    50% Russia-Trump connection
    25% fuck that guy
    20% butt jokes
    4% deleted comments
    1% canned clams? you monster!
    0% non-deleted comments, which are not allowed

    • AJ Milne

      This gives me stress. While I agree the whole asshole authoritarian murderous mafia thug using the methods and means of a surveillance state to screw up democracies worldwide thing/sleazy kleptocrats corroding everything they touch stuff is important, I can never get enough Fuck That Guy, either.

      It’s not a glass half full/half empty thing. Maybe we just need more glasses?

      (Wait. That totally works. Stress gone. Line ’em up, barkeep.)

      • Toledo Window Box

        Vlad could never have convinced a Democrat to collude to fix a Presidential election, or most Republicans either, I suspect.

        They had a more-than-willing partner in Trump.

    • JoeChristmas

      In the Wayback Machine: circa 2009

      50% Palin
      25% fuck that guy
      20% butt jokes
      4% deleted comments
      1% canned clams? you monster!
      0% non-deleted comments, which are not allowed

      • CindyinEncinitas

        I thought this was tech support. Hello?

        • WotsAllThisThen

          Have you tried turning it off and back on again?

      • starfanglednut

        Cakes we like libelz!1

    • Celtic_Gnome

      What about the dick jokes? You left out the dick jokes!

  • IdRatherBeDancing

    Show of hands if you think that Glenn Greenwald is a smug fuckface. (both hands up here in DC)

    • Morningside

      Times a few thousand.

  • Anna Elizabeth

    Y’know, when Shit-Shaped-like-People say there’s nothing to the story that Trump colluded with a foreign power to subvert our Republic, I get just a little fucking stabby.

    • Tennessee Rain

      Shit Shaped Shape Shifters?

      • Anna Elizabeth

        We need blood tests to be sure! *taps commbadge* Medical & Security to the bridge! Bring Blood draw kits and Mark 14 Compression Phaser Rifles.

        • Little Doll–MOAMF

          And bayonets.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            25th Century Mk. 14s have Close-combat attachments as standard. At least on *my* ship they always do.

          • CindyinEncinitas

            Wait…wut? I was in 10 Forward.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            On my ship, the Lounge is referred to as “The Happy Ass Riding Club”.

          • CindyinEncinitas

            Okay. As long as we can get shitfaced, that’s fine.
            Or, pinkies up, we can gyre and gimble in the wabe with Deanna or something.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            My ship’s Counselor is an Orion female. She takes her leave on Risa, and always takes other girls with her. XD (not kidding, in Star Trek Online, you can send crew on leave, and the Counselor always takes 3 girls with her to Risa)

            Our motto is “Work Hard, Play Hard” on USS Hussar.

          • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

            You have a ship? You must be one of those one-percenters!

          • Anna Elizabeth
        • Tennessee Rain

          I’d prefer we just call Sam and Dean.

      • ahughes798

        Say it fast five times correctly, and I will send you a Hershey bar.

        • Tennessee Rain

          How about once? And how many tries do I get?

          • ahughes798

            5 tries to say it 5 times fast, and that Hershey bar is yours, my friend!

    • jesterpunk
    • The Wanderer

      I’ve always preferred the ‘ping!’ sound of an aluminum bat, myself.
      Plus my battle cry, “It’s baby seal time!”

      • Beowoof14

        Ah but the crack of Louisville Slugger still sends shivers.

        • ahughes798

          Cast iron frying pan. It makes more of a squishy thunk.

      • Celtic_Gnome

        Chambering a round into a shotgun says it all.

      • Anna Elizabeth

        Brilliant. :)

    • Kiri the Unicorn
  • CaliCat1

    Good shit, Evan!! I lol’d the whole way through this post. Poor Glenn is so irrelevant. More lols.

  • anwisok

    I agree with Greenwald. It’s utterly absurd for Rachel to spend the bulk of her time covering what may be the biggest story since the US was founded. She should be concentrating on how Trump keeps on hiring only the best people, and has the best werdz, and the way he makes the best BOOM BOOMs!

  • Gorillionaire

    A couple of my so-called liberal friends still think that Greenwald is a knight in shining armor, and they get really huffy when I don’t agree. They also have some pretty elaborate duffle bags full of votes theories about how Bernie is the real winner of the primary, so there’s that.

    • Anna Elizabeth

      If it were moi, I would mention to them that Bernie wouldn’t have done any better against Direct Action by the FSB than Hillz could do.

      • jesterpunk

        Bernie would have done a lot worse, there was so much stuff that could be used against him pretty well. Like his honeymoon in the Soviet Union or his rape stories for 2 examples.

        • Anna Elizabeth

          Yeah, I had all but forgotten. Plus the alt-Reich would have been screaming “Jew” and “Socialist”.

          • jesterpunk

            They started calling him a Jewish Nazi when he was “campaigning for Hillary”.

            https://68.media.tumblr.com/a095298a115d6d07289d43328c03e940/tumblr_o39x2fzeQc1tk48vko1_400.gif

          • PressSecretaryCaptainHowdy

            Mmmm Deeeannnn.

          • jesterpunk
          • PressSecretaryCaptainHowdy

            Dean just needed to get shipped some sausage.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLciBOKBJz8

          • Lamashtar

            OT: is it weird how many Jews and anti-Semites show up in the Trump conspiracy?

            There’s an article in the Hungarian Freepress that says that Hungarian near-dictator Orban was a go-between and one of the movers and shakers was a Jewish Republican strategist named Finklestein. Then there was a weird Russian-Jewish mob of rich fundamentalists of the Chabad sect, who even have their own version of Omerta (don’t tell tales outside the clan). Jared the son-in-law.

            Then anti-Semite Bannon and actual Hungarian Nazi Gorka and the open White Supremacist segment of the Alt-Reich. Notably, Russian trolls and their endless Globalist-Zionist fantasies.

            It only occurred to me when it was rumored that New York AG Schneiderman (also Jewish) was teaming up with Comey to start taking down Trump’s mobster associate smallfry.

        • MassiveQuantitiesofPie

          ITA, the idea that Sanders would’ve beaten Trump is absurd.

          Clinton got the second most POTUS votes ever and beat Trump by 3 million and she beat Bernie by more than that and that was before the right wing and Russian propaganda machines had a shot at him. Very few who voted for Trump would’ve gone to Sanders instead. The vast majority of Trump voters were just garden variety Republicans who would rather die than vote Dem, any Dem. The newbies who came out to vote for the first time because of Trump did so mostly because of racism so, they wouldn’t gravitate to Bernie either.

      • Thiazin Red

        I don’t think they would have needed to. Just run the footage of him in front of a crowd shouting “the yankie will die” on a loop. Or there is the creepy stuff he wrote about rape.

    • theblackdog

      Ask them how Feingold is doing in the Sena—oh wait…

      Ask them how Colorado is doing after Prop 69—oh wait…

      Watch the rage build up.

      • MEAN. But funny XD

        • theblackdog

          That has pretty much been @MarcusHJohnson ‘s response on Twitter when the BernieBros come after him saying that Bernie would have won and Hillary was a terrible candidate.

    • PressSecretaryCaptainHowdy
  • ~ ☆ míkhαílα ☆ ~ 【忠実反抗】

    I can’t help but feel that the very not-smart Glenn Greenwald and Fox News, aside from being Donnie’s dedicated ass kissers, are also jealous (at some level) of actual journalist and S-M-R-T person Rachel “Badass” Maddow.

    • phoenix00

      Oh totally seething with jellyness. Rachel doing journalisms and investigations better than Glenn? Like no way!

  • Jgb979

    Glen Greenwald: proof that being right about one thing doesn’t immunize you from all future idiocies and treasons.

    (Shameful admission in my early 20’s I bought a book of his)

    • PressSecretaryCaptainHowdy

      He was right about a thing?

      • MassiveQuantitiesofPie

        Exactly. He’s never been on the right side.

    • Sid Pevear

      Constant self evaluation is a good thing. Always be open to new ideas, even if they conflict with old ones. I, at one time had much more respect for Mr. Greenwald. On some points we still agree, lately, not so much.

    • boredcatlady

      Hey I once voted for Nader, so I get it. Growth is good!

    • An Outhouse for the Resistance

      Along with canned clams?

  • AJ Milne

    Silly Rachel. _This_ is how you determine what’s important to cover:

    1) Compose absurd, largely fact-free conspiracy theory.
    2) Flood an unstable seventy-something, desperate serial liar’s Twitter feed with links to the same.
    3) Wait for him to re-tweet it. Possibly slightly exaggerated even from the already absurd beginning.
    4) This now goes at the top of all front pages.

    • Jay B.

      Also: Email Server Management practices and executive-level risotto recipes.

    • Claire

      Goddammit. I want so badly to tweet something outrageous at Trump in the hopes that he’ll pick it up and look stupid, but I don’t want to have to go before St. Peter with WWIII on my soul.

  • William
    • Hanaka

      Boom! What a bunch of losers.

    • Mike Steele

      Faux go-to Ralph Peters, himself, at times, a RWNJ, chewed missing BillO a new one couple of weeks back for NOT acknowledging the Russian story as the tale of treason that it is. Of course, unlike the 101st Chairborne Chickenhawk Brigade above, Peters finished college and served in the military.

  • goonemeritus

    He has a point, why is Rachel spending so much time on non-Russia scandal stories.

    • ~ ☆ míkhαílα ☆ ~ 【忠実反抗】

      Maybes she should spend ALL of her time on the Russia scandal stories, you know, just to piss them off even more.

    • Mack N. Nietzsche

      I wanna upvote this 12 or 14 times.

  • PixieThis

    I love you for telling the intercept to, “get fucked”. Seriously <3<3<3

  • whitroth

    What the US did to the USSR *was* horribly bad. That does *not* make up for this disaster. And, this is just speculation, you understand, just possibly she’s covering it so much because a) the rest of the media, esp. on-air, is covering it far less, and b) because it could get Trumpolini, and maybe Pence, impeached, tried, and jailed?

    • Perkniticky

      What was the horribly bad thing that the US did to the USSR? Forcing them to build a sphere of influence in eastern Europe? Forcing them to fight the cold war? Forcing them to build nuclear weapons? Forcing them to have an inefficient command economy? I’m not trying to be an America apologist here, but denying that other countries have agency is kind of demeaning.

      • whitroth

        I guess you don’t know that much history of the US and the USSR. Let’s start with the fact that during the Russian Revolution, the US had an army in Russia, fighting against the Communists.

        Then let’s go to after WWII – they’d been invaded. 10% of the entire population was killed by the Nazis. Go look that up, and think how you’d feel if one of every 10 folks you knew were dead.

        About invading eastern Europe – before, or during the end game of WWII?

        And how do you feel about the Monroe Doctrine, and our support for nasty dictators, and, during St. Raygun’s Presidency, our support for death squads in Central and South America?

        They were going to make *damn* sure they weren’t invaded the way the Nazis did.

        No, I’m not apologizing for the genocidal sociopath Stalin. I’m trying to give you an idea of how *they* felt/feel.

        There *was* talk of invading the USSR, after the end of WWII. And you think anyone who had the resources would *not* build nuclear weapons? You would trust another country with them, and only them?

        Finally, Raygun ran the US massively into debt on his military buildup (with my goddamn tax dollars)… but the US has a platinum MasterCard, and the USSR only had a gold one.

        Here’s another thought for you: in the entire existence of the USSR, how many years was it that they were not preparing for a war, fighting one, or recovering? 10? 15? maybe? So defense was primary… and the US capitalists *hated* the very idea of them, and deliberately didn’t give them a chance to stand down..

        The upshot was that the breakup of the USSR was a complete and utter disaster for the citizens. They came near famine, while the well-connected became utterly rich. Only in the last 10 years or so has life begun to get back to tolerable (and we’ll leave out the former Republics of the USSR, most of which have nasty dictatorships that are happy to sell them out to get rich).

        And the US wants to completely encircle them. How would you feel if Russia put troops and military support to, I dunno, Mexico? Cuba? Maybe put missiles in Cuba?

        So consider that they may have some reasons to have zero trust in our goodness. Again, I’m not a Putin apologist… I’m asking you to consider how the citizens feel.

  • Alt-dog

    It reminds me of that time when those two failing WP journalists wasted all their time investigating that trivial hotel burglary in the early 1970s.

    • Tennessee Rain

      And all because of a “Win a Date With Bobby Sherman” contest. Sorry. That was my attempt at a Dick joke.

    • Toledo Window Box

      THEY were the problem!

  • Spurning Beer

    We need to give Glenn some credit here. He managed to avoid making any comments in his blog post about the Lebanese, Subarus, softball, or scissoring.

  • jesterpunk

    Slightly off topic

    https://youtu.be/QYoJE7jNgYU

    • Jennaratrix

      The original “Asshole” was my dad’s ringtone on my phone for a long, LONG time. Now it’s the Imperial March from Star Wars.

      Apropos of nothing, I just wanted you all to know.

      • jesterpunk

        Why did you switch to the imperial march? Either way both are good choices for ringtones.

        • Jennaratrix

          Well, I changed him to something innocuous when he was in town, just in case he called me when I was with his wife or something. Then when he left, I was on a Star Wars kick and had just downloaded a bunch of ringtones. Email is R2D2, text messages are BB8, and text messages from my kid is ewoks. It’s a theme. A dork theme. (I got email, a text message, AND my dad called all while I was at T-Mobile trying to get something on my account sorted out. I was their favorite customer that day.)

      • whitroth

        I’d think the latter would be Trumpolini’s.

        Just wish my manager would stop being mean, and let me into that police call box I keep hearing in his office….

  • FlownΩver

    Suggestion from Pod Save America ( which is always worth a listen) –

    Title for Doris Kearns Goodwin’s someday book on the Trump presidency: Useful Idiots

  • Beowoof14

    And I watch Rachel because she covers news, and I can’t recall a Kanye or Kardashian story, ever. Unlike important media like Today or GMA.

  • So…ok….
    What further proof do we need that Glen is a total right wing stooge playing the purity ponies for saps than no one else bothered with his BS slander of actual journalism other than Fox News?

    I mean…besides all the other constant right wing propping he does. Because lefts and centrics are WORSE than the right because they are not good enough according to Glen!

    • whitroth

      Wonder when he got bought? Or, given where he lives, if they came and Made Him An Offer (be a shame if….)

      • He’s always been in it for himself. Progress, actual progress, however slow, dents his bottom dollar.
        See also: Charlatan, pretender, conman

    • MassiveQuantitiesofPie

      Pretty much.

  • Persistent Demme

    I used to have some repsect for Greenwald, (and Snowden) after I saw “Citizenfour.”
    No more.
    What was that all about?

  • Raan

    So, in essence…

    Breaking News: Reporter Does Job, Covers News Story

  • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

    That is a great chart.

    If only there was a bit more whitespace to the left, it would be a Russian flag.

  • “And why do the Coastal Elitist Democrats keep going on and on about that ‘Watergate’ stuff! (Pshaw!) That’s just A Distraction that will never lead to anywhere…”

    Greenwald circa 1972

    • Mack N. Nietzsche

      Yeah, that was a very quiet story, hidden under the sturm und drang of the ’72 Presidential campaign. And two guys not in the White House pool, broke it and broke Nixon. It’s the coverup that kills, not the crime.

  • Nasty Candy Apple

    As time goes by, I am more and more convinced that Glenn Greenwald is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Kremlin.

    • arundel

      Pretty sure the Ivancept is at least partly funded by roubles, yes.

    • Pierre_de_Fermat

      Nah, I don’t think so. But he is different now from the way he used to be. More angry, even bitter. He always fought hard and has been a stalwart for the 1st Amendment. But he has refused to see what is going on; that there was a substantial deception being run. And it was aimed at him and a lot of others like him.

      • Disagree. He was always a sensationalist who propped himself up as some sort of 1st amendment warrior, but his first and only loyalty has always been to Glen.

        • Left Coast Tom

          I knew from the beginning that Shrub was lying about Iraq…and I simply couldn’t read Greenwald at Salon. The whole “update 1”, “update eleventy-billion” thing was an absolute mess, I couldn’t forward his posts to anyone because I had no idea what they’d end up saying by the time the other person read them.

      • AncienReggie

        The Ku Klux Klan are fans of the 1st Amendment. And Hitler loved dogs. Sometimes agreement on one topic just is not enough.

  • Me not sure

    Glenn, please do a time study focused on the amount of coverage that you give to Assange and wikileaks. I think that you have established a standard that you must test against yourself. Thanks!

  • Marla

    I never watch Maddow because she is a corporate tool of her masters who build weapons of war but she may be on to something here

    • LadyLaz

      She is most definitely

    • Jay B.

      I didn’t know Comcast made weapons, although their customer service has opened up a new front on the war on consumers.

      • Chris

        I think Comcast weaponized their customer base.

        • Lamashtar

          That would explain their customer service.

      • ahughes798

        “Corporate tool” is the new “Thanks, OBama.” I wonder how many self-hating liberals who work for corporations realise that they’re corporate tools, also too.

    • MassiveQuantitiesofPie

      GE hasn’t owned NBC for several years. Comcast does.

    • keenanjay

      Most of us are probably tools. The trick is not acting like one.

      There is much to the theory that, even more so than the right, the left abandons the good in vain search for the perfect.

  • boredcatlady

    TRMS: I don’t know why Glenn Greenwald is so obsessed with me, but, it’s like, back off girl. You don’t want to poke the bear, m’kay?

  • PressSecretaryCaptainHowdy

    I am forever indebted to nomoremisterniceblog for a phrase they used awhile back: “the liberal-hating left”. It explains so much of the last decade.

  • C4TWOMAN

    Dear Glenn Greenwald:

    Perhaps you’d like to look up the definition of treason and related offences:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason#United_States

    Also:

    “However, Congress has passed laws creating related offenses that punish conduct that undermines the government or the national security, such as
    sedition in the 1798 Alien and Sedition Acts, or espionage and sedition in the Espionage Act of 1917, which do not require the testimony of two witnesses and have a much broader definition than Article Three treason. Some of these laws are still in effect.
    Some well-known spies have been convicted of espionage
    rather than treason.”

    Just a friendly heads up,

    Please rot in Hell,

    -The Internets

  • Laura

    Love this post and your website! :)

  • Pierre_de_Fermat

    Um …. ah ….OK, I stopped my Russian History a long time ago (did not finish Deutscher)

    But does this sound reasonable? I think Putin has been killing off as many of the folks who could help that country (journalists, NGO types, opposition politicians, etc) as he can. With some as yet unknown goal.

    https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/854068987222790145

    • Lamashtar

      Russian botnets have been spotted pushing Calexit, too. Russian active measures are fucking TOXIC and they’re everywhere. Someone even thinks they might be in the anti-vax agenda, based on Russia Today featuring pro-anti-vax stories.

    • Alt-dog

      I say good riddance. Dude can go join such luminaries as Steven Seagal and Gérard Depardieu.

  • gingerwentworth

    If you look at the new book “High Noon” about that movie and the terror mania conservatives treated the country to–I mean the rampant fear that Russia would get their hooks into our brains by secret means– you’ll think you’re dreaming all of this GOP amnesia!! They must have absolutely forgotten everything. Lenin, Stalin, the Gulags, and then all the stuff they never cared about anyway like tossing all people in jail who camplained. There’s a hilarious photo in the book of two GOP senators in shirtsleeves holding what look like filmstrips, but they’re “Hollywood films,” they’re holding them up to a lamp, searching frame by frame for thedangerous Commie parts (so they can put the directors all in jail– not kidding you. It’s pitiful but a bit like Mike Pence’s bulging new gross jacket with his name and job title on the pocket: for Republicans of today. if it’s dorky and simplified enough, conservatives will get all aroused as if it was actually a thing! Or if it reminds them of WWII which no ethnic guys fought in.

    • Mack N. Nietzsche

      There is a reason there is a Trumbo memorial fountain on the University of Colorado campus.

  • Al Swearengen

    Greenwald is one of those annoying, smug leftier-than-thou assholes who prefers to start shit with anybody who dares to commit the offense of being an inch to his right than actually fight the right.

    And the weird love of Russia with people like Greenwald and The Nation (they’re having a cruise there). They seem to think a rightwing kleptocracy run by billionaires and generals has some kind of leftover “radical chic” residue that’s attractive to liberals.

    • PressSecretaryCaptainHowdy

      Liberals are closer and easier targets, also.

    • AdrianRR

      Or something more sinister than that, the war machine has msnbc leading us into war again

    • Moose Lambs

      I made a mistake of criticizing of his tweets and all of a sudden his cult members starting questioning my opinion. What a bunch of pompous hypocrites.

      Greenwald’s arrogance knows no limits.

  • Toledo Window Box

    That’s strike two for Greenwald. Supporting Snowden the thief, now attacking Rachel. F that guy.

    • AncienReggie

      I’m a Snowden fan. I am not a Greenwald/Assange fan. Because I believe we need thieves, whereas flaming assholes are unnecessary.

      • You likely would never have heard of Snowden if it wasn’t for Greenwald/Assange. Don’t be daft.

        • Lamashtar

          And? Snowden’s “revelations” were in the public domain already. The true parts, anyway. The rest he lied about, as has been pointed out by many, many technical experts.

          Snowden has also lied about:

          Why he left military service
          How he got into the NSA
          What his job there was
          Why he started stealing classified material
          When he started stealing classified material
          What he stole (NEWSFLASH: it was mostly highly valued military secrets, not nothingburgers like “spies spy” according to the afteraction Congressional report.)

          Snowden claimed that a test he failed about proper protection of civilian privacy rights was “rigged” against him.

          Snowden’s former supervisor and colleagues say he had “personality issues” with other people.

          Ars Technica’s archive of Snowden’s personal interaction showed someone slightly racist, self-centered, and not very empathetic.

          After fleeing with a treasure trove, Snowden tried to make a deal with China, who oppresses the people in its power, and made a deal to live in Russia, which oppresses its own people and everyone it has access to. A senior Russian official says that Snowden would have had to have made a deal to stay.

          Snowden has nothing to say about dictators around the world who spy on American and their own citizens, use psychological measures to weaken our will and alter our elections, and steal our intellectual property to the tune of billions.

          None of this says “whistleblower” or someone who cares about others. It says that Snowden is a habitually lying narcissist who wanted to be important.

          • kareemachan

            And where did you copy and paste this from? I’m very curious.

          • Lamashtar

            Didn’t. I admired Snowden at first, so I read through Ars Technica’s archive of him, and followed every article of the material he revealed. All along, the political people found his personal opinions inconsistent, and the technical people kept disagreeing with Snowden’s technical claims. I used to be huge into internet privacy, so I was already familiar with the open source basics of govt electronic filtering long before Snowden “revealed” it.

            You can get an overview and some links from John Schindler’s article: http://observer.com/2016/09/the-real-ed-snowden-is-a-patsy-a-fraud-and-a-kremlin-controlled-pawn/

          • Has it occurred to you that by insisting Snowden is a fraud and Russian patsy you have to more or less take the “official narrative” side of the US security state? And if Snowden has no credibility, then neither does anyone from Assange, Greenwald, Poitras, etc., to anyone else who has worked with him since he took refuge, in good faith. Additionally that goes for all media outlets who have reported, reviewed and researched his revelations as well. So basically, you’re asserting that those entities on the side of empire are telling the truth while everyone else, a majority by a large measure, who are against empire are lying?

            For your entire supposition to be true it would mean that there is no actual and constitutionally illegal invasion of our privacy, no breach of any kind of our constitution by the national security apparatus? Our democracy is intact and doing just fine, and nothing our military industrial complex is doing, has done and will do is a threat to world peace or the global environment?

            You can’t have it both ways.

            And all based on what information? That stands up to evidentiary scrutiny to a greater extent than Snowden’s? One IT company, one questionable itself article, and a bunch of supporters who themselves may be nothing more than opinionated narrative parrots.

            Politicians’ opinions, technical sources who “disagree” with Snowden And from what I gather all of your personal conclusions are based on your “used to be huge into internet privacy”?

            And now you’re not? What, you no longer care about your privacy? We sorry but I still care about mine, and that is not something you can dictate on my part.

            The single biggest problem I have here is with those who are the Snowden detractors. Who they are, insofar as what they have invested that could be at risk economically were it generally accepted that Snowden is correct and not a fraud/patsy. Are these detractors perhaps protecting themselves? Their marketplace stake as us government contractors, etc.

            I see two questionable sources on your side and pretty much the rest of the word on the opposite side. And aside from and over and above any of this is the one grain of truth that you cannot dispute;

            Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The scenario you would have us believe shields that corruption from the disinfectance of exposure, and therefore may grow to further infect global peace and democracy as well as our own “domestic tranquility”. Are you comfortable with just letting the NSA and others run amok without scrutiny or exposure?

            One of the things I find most odd about this most recent “red scare” fascination with modern day Russia, is the incredible racism that bubbles just below the surface. And it is racism, because the entire premise of Russian infatuation with the US would require their people to be biological distinctly different from other human beings, who want all the same things in life no matter where they live;

            Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. All of which requires that no one meddles in the personal affairs of others.

            Apparently we are to believe that the only thing Russia wants is to destroy and/or enslave the world. Or merely create political chaos? A premise that I can only believe when we admit that the same is true of our own country, and maybe a few others as well. Personally, the physical geopolitical evidence from what I can see points to only one imperial agenda.

            Ours, here in the United States of Hypocrisy and Double Standard Oil.

            Or will your next claim be that the US doesn’t really have the largest military by several fold, and that we do not have more military bases around the world than all other nations combined? And foremost that our record for meddling in other nations’ affairs, is not true? Or that most all of it has been done by our most clandestine parts of government, the national security state that Snowden sacrificed his own personal freedom for in order to wake you up to a threat you seem still to be in denial of.

          • Lamashtar

            Has it occurred to you that by insisting Snowden is a fraud and Russian patsy you have to more or less take the “official narrative” side of the US security state? And if Snowden has no credibility, then neither does anyone from Assange, Greenwald, Poitras, etc., to anyone else who has worked with him since he took refuge, in good faith. Additionally that goes for all media outlets who have reported, reviewed and researched his revelations as well. So basically, you’re asserting that those entities on the side of empire are telling the truth while everyone else, a majority by a large measure, who are against empire are lying?

            “Empire.” “Security state.” These are buzzwords used by propagandists who are trying to weaken the United States. People have died to defend our freedom, both in the armed services and in the intelligence community. Our country and its defenders deserve respect, even if we disagree with them.

            I certainly would agree that those who sold Snowden’s image don’t have credibility. Assange is an accused rapist who hides from justice. His former companions in Anonymous say that he always had fascist tendencies, but they were restrained by idealists around him. Nowadays, he has posted innocent people’s personal information online, exposing rape victims’ passport numbers and names. Wikileaks data now reveals that its server keys are in Russian hands, meaning that every real whistleblower who ever trusted them can be tracked with their IP address. Assange implied he has video footage of the murder of Democratic operative Seth Rich, yet has never come forward with the evidence, instead trying to imply that Hillary Clinton murdered Mr. Rich.

            Glenn Greenwald has a long history of hypocrisy and anti-Americanism. Laura Poitras has been quite open that she is selling Snowden to the public. She is not an uninterested journalist, she has a bias about what she wants the public to believe about Snowden. If you are against surveillance, does it matter whether Snowden is lying scum, after all?

            The rest of the media does engage in groupthink and the narrative of Snowden as a plucky but hapless hero fighting The Establishment sells well. It is noteworthy that the Washington Post won a Pulitzer for their story about the “hero.” The journalists involved have a vested interest in it (although the editorial differs). Yet Washington Post rewrote 80% of the Prism story. Only conservative crazies like Breitbart noticed but you can find comparisons with the original story online.

            Mainstream media hasn’t been doing well lately, what with the New York Times getting called on their clearing Trump of an FBI investigation, despite Democratic Leader Harry Reid informing them that Trump was *absolutely* still being looked at.

            For your entire supposition to be true it would mean that there is no actual and constitutionally illegal invasion of our privacy, no breach of any kind of our constitution by the national security apparatus? Our democracy is intact and doing just fine, and nothing our military industrial complex is doing, has done and will do is a threat to world peace or the global environment?

            You can’t have it both ways.

            Most of my comment was about Snowden. He is a proven liar. Whether or not you agree with domestic surveillance–the specifics of which Snowden also lied about–is a different matter. I won’t get into it further.

            However, you seem to be taking the position that if you wanted the bit of info Snowden gave you on domestic surveillance, that it would be okay if Snowden was indeed a liar and spy who gave US military secrets to hostile foreign nations that try to destroy us.

            You are siding with people who kill journalists, ignore the use of chemical weapons by their allies, and put Trump in power.

            And all based on what information? That stands up to evidentiary scrutiny to a greater extent than Snowden’s? One IT company, one questionable itself article, and a bunch of supporters who themselves may be nothing more than opinionated narrative parrots.

            Politicians’ opinions, technical sources who “disagree” with Snowden.

            Technical data is pretty straightforward. Snowden’s claims have never stood up to scrutiny. His background, likewise. Challenging what HE HIMSELF has said is an attempt to alter reality. You are trying to make observers question their own eyes. Its called “gaslighting”, and typical of propagandists.

            And from what I gather all of your personal conclusions are based on your “used to be huge into internet privacy”?

            And now you’re not? What, you no longer care about your privacy? Well sorry but I still care about mine, and that is not something you can dictate on my part.

            The single biggest problem I have here is with those who are the Snowden detractors. Who they are, insofar as what they have invested that could be at risk economically were it generally accepted that Snowden is correct and not a fraud/patsy. Are these detractors perhaps protecting themselves? Their marketplace stake as us government contractors, etc.

            Patriotism is not about economics.

            Snowden betrayed the US.

            He gave our secrets to those who try to harm us.

            He is sheltered by those who DID harm us.

            Now that Snowden’s fiction has begun to unravel, and more people are realizing how serious is the fight inside the intelligence community, he is being more widely seen as the traitor he is. His usefulness as a commercial for Russia is running out. His value is plummeting.

            There are already hints that Russia would consider turning Snowden over to the Trump administration.

            I see two questionable sources on your side and pretty much the rest of the word on the opposite side.

            This isn’t a doctoral thesis or an article I have to defend. I used open sources, so please, by all means, go find Mr. Snowden’s history on Google. At least the realistic privacy advocates understand that he could never be defended. It is the image makers needing him as their poster boy that do.

            And aside from and over and above any of this is the one grain of truth that you cannot dispute;

            Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The scenario you would have us believe shields that corruption from the disinfectance of exposure, and therefore may grow to further infect global peace and democracy as well as our own “domestic tranquility”. Are you comfortable with just letting the NSA and others run amok without scrutiny or exposure?

            There is more scrutiny and checks on the US intelligence community than any other intelligence community in the world. Had we had more lack of restraint, Snowden might have been caught before he could betray us and run off to China and Russia, both countries that have absolute power over their citizens’ lives and privacy. Yet Snowden preferred their absolute corruption.

            If the intelligence community were as bad as the traitor pretends, he would have a bullet in his brain by now.

            One of the things I find most odd about this most recent “red scare” fascination with modern day Russia, is the incredible racism that bubbles just below the surface. And it is racism, because the entire premise of Russian infatuation with the US would require their people to be biological distinctly different from other human beings, who want all the same things in life no matter where they live;

            Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. All of which requires that no one meddles in the personal affairs of others.

            Apparently we are to believe that the only thing Russia wants is to destroy and/or enslave the world. Or merely create political chaos?

            LOL “Russophobia” seems to bother you personally. I wonder why that is.

            A premise that I can only believe when we admit that the same is true of our own country, and maybe a few others as well. Personally, the physical geopolitical evidence from what I can see points to only one imperial agenda.

            Ours, here in the United States of Hypocrisy and Double Standard Oil.

            I’m afraid the Treasury Department has already turned down Exxon’s request for a waiver to work with Rosneft. Russia was just too proud of its own cleverness! Spycraft works better when the victim doesn’t realize it has been harmed.

            Or will your next claim be that the US doesn’t really have the largest military by several fold, and that we do not have more military bases around the world than all other nations combined? And foremost that our record for meddling in other nations’ affairs, is not true? Or that most all of it has been done by our most clandestine parts of government, the national security state that Snowden sacrificed his own personal freedom for in order to wake you up to a threat you seem still to be in denial of.

            The USA is totally the most powerful military in the world. What this crisis has revealed is how weak Russia truly is. Which is why Russia throws itself into these spy games, where it is equal in power to the US. Indeed, any historian of Russian intelligence says that Russia has been on the forefront of spycraft since Tsarist times. Kudos!

            We may never know if Snowden was seduced into betrayal by Russian operatives directly. Or if he was targeted into believing Russian propaganda, perhaps through his online activities. Perhaps by a still hidden mole in the intelligence community, like the one who recently passed more secrets to the Russian intelligence outlet, Wikileaks.

            But we can all be grateful to Donald Trump for revealing how much in danger from Russian intelligence operations the world is! We would never have noticed if Putin hadn’t elected him.

          • “But we can all be grateful to Donald Trump…”

            If only you had said that to begin with I could have concluded you have zero credibility and are merely another gullible sheeple embracing the delusions of social darwinism and amerikan exceptionalism, while propping up this corrupt imperial agenda, in Orwellian obedient lockstep.

            And you could have saved some very wasted typing…

            I hope you are also grateful to Hillary Clinton. Because she is the neoliberal mold from which Trump 2.0 is now being poured by his neoconservative puppet masters, who are still intent on blowing up the entire world for church, state and oil.

            And some cheap video thrills from the battlefield…

          • “It says that Snowden is a habitually lying narcissist who wanted to be important.”

            Oh, yeah you’re right about that. Who wouldn’t jump to trade places with him in a NY minute…

            More right-wing tea party daffiness…

          • Lamashtar

            This is open source information. Right from the start, people wanted to believe Snowden was a good guy, but had questions about why he said one thing, when evidence contradicted him.

            Why he lies and steals is up to psychologists, but he isn’t the man Greenwald and Assange sold him as.

      • Toledo Window Box

        I don’t care for the thievery that Snowden did. He was a sysadmin with keys to everything for maintenance purposes. They should have been more careful, I hope now they have people watching these guys better.

    • So you prefer your “blissful ignorance”?

      I’m pretty darn sure your avatar wouldn’t… (or like it much that you shame him by using it)

      • Toledo Window Box

        I disagree that Carlin would take objection to our government’s protection of it’s citizen spying that goes on today. It’s got checks and balances that have proven effective generally.

        • I don’t t suppose you recognize how democratically oxymoronic this sentence you wrote is?

          “government’s protection of it’s citizen spying ”

          Actually it really doesn’t make sense the way you constructed it, but I got your backwards drift.

          The government only exists constitutionally to serve the “will” of the people. Not to reserve unto itself the determination of that “will”. They are not our parents…

          If there is one thing that Carlin did NOT stand for it was the government protecting itself to the democratic detriment of The People. He was one of The People after all, and not a g-man as he often used the phrase.

          It sounds almost like you have realized your error. Why don’t you just go ahead and delete your original comment and forget your embarrassment? In fact we can delete this whole part of the thread if you want to…

          I’d get over it like yesterday.

          • Michael Valentine

            Not half as funny as “checks and balances have proven effective” I almost spit coffee out of my nose.

          • Hi Michael. I did spit coffee just now laughing at your post…

            Thank god not out my nose though. I’ve done that and it hurts man…

            It’s very painful being on sites like this, but we have to do it so we know what we are truly up against ya know?

          • And yeah, you’re right about that remark too. “Effective” for who we should ask?

          • Yeah, he just called me a right-winger. Not in an aggressive way though. How about that?

            Can someone actually be so brainwashed that they can confuse the right and the left as he seems to be doing? Thinking Carlin would approve of Trump and that our government spying is OK?

            That is soooo “1984”…

          • Toledo Window Box

            I don’t see this issue as the government “protecting itself to the democratic detriment of The People.”

            I don’t find any fault with anything the government did that Snowden revealed; I find fault with what Snowden illegally did. It was not his to reveal.

            I’m sure you disagree, as do a lot of folks. Peace.

          • All the more reason you should quit shaming Carlin and trade your avatar in for something more appropriate.

            Like this for instance?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/29576dbfd5535e5b912130fb810be25bebe17a0f2def67e9938bfd0eb2943472.jpg

          • Toledo Window Box

            Who’s that guy?

            By the way I do occasionally get the right-winger like yourself pissed at me for using Carlin, but for every one of you I get many more who say the opposite.

          • That’s Big Brother? George Orwell? “Nineteen Eighty four” [1984].

            The first couple paragraphs [click here] ought to sound real familiar to our conversation here, but you should read the whole wiki to get a good feel for the background. Then go read the book or at least watch the 1984 film starring Richard Burton and a young John Hurt whom you may know from another great and more recent cult dystopian film “V for Vendetta”.

            More info:
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four_(1984_film)
            http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087803/

            Man, it sounds like you have some serious catching-up to do. I mean especially if you read my comments and think I’m right-wing? That is rich my friend. And very 180 degrees off target.

            What generation are you amyway? As in age (not robot model). Maybe I can help you get a better understanding of what you don’t realize about the reality surrounding the illusion of democracy you’ve been allowed to have.

          • Toledo Window Box

            Sorry but I don’t care to continue conversations where they must end with gratuitous insult.

          • What? How was I patronizing you, if that is what you mean? Please, it was not my intent. Remember you called me “right-wing” and I voted for Sanders in the primary and Jill Stein in the general. If you think that’s “right wing”, then really, you are seriously confused. Like mirror-imaged.

          • Toledo Window Box

            My bad.

    • AdrianRR

      That Snowden should have never stolen info that belongs to the American people?

      • Toledo Window Box

        My position is that it isn’t, and shouldn’t be, up to a guy like Snowden to decide what “belongs” to the American people. You obviously disagree.

      • Jacob Prescott

        What Snowden leaked isn’t what bothers me about him. His flight to other countries and asylum with authoritarian Russia is what bothers me. He could have been the next Daniel Ellsberg, but now is just a propaganda piece for Putin. Ellsberg stayed true to his convictions and was prepared to stand trial for what he believed in. Snowden was not. I do think we needed to know what the NSA was doing, but I also think a hero doesn’t run.

  • Manhattan123

    Why is she wasting her time covering the potential treason of the POTUS, who is currently being investigated by the FBI over Russia’s efforts to influence the election in his favor, as confirmed by multiple U.S. intelligence agencies, as well as those of several European allies. What a nothing burger of a story.

  • Incoming “Enough Already” Ham

    Good thing Greenwald is out doing The Journalism rather than catty articles about Maddow. I know I feel safer knowing he is reporting on important shit.

    Oh, wait…

  • SullivanSt

    Everyone knows real journalism is SQUIRREL!

  • MilwaukeeKent

    Call me naive, but I don’t think Assange/Wikileaks and Greenwald started out as Putin propaganda tools, I don’t believe they merely have a special blind spot to a billionaire kleptocracy that still exhibits many of the traits of a dictatorship, so I assume they’re severely compromised in some way. Nothing else explains it.

    • ryanmrichardson

      There has always been a certain segment of the left that is willing to ignore how shitty Russia is being as long as they can score points off America.

  • MSNBC’S RACHEL MADDOW SEES A “RUSSIA CONNECTION” LURKING AROUND EVERY CORNER

    Probably because it keeps bumping right into people knocking them over.

  • Uh-oh, Wonkette is being “a sexist” (at least according to the persnickety and insincere definitions of America’s favorite Contrarian Blowhard)

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/854053331706228736?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

    So in the name of “female empowerment” let me also add a “fuck off” to Betsy Reed for deciding in her capacity of “people who run Intercept that this type of crap is worthy of publication. There, now Glenn can stop pretending that he gives a shit about feminism, which must be a load off.

  • Mike Steele

    LadyMS here: Have loved all things Rachel since her radio dayz. Lately notice some lefties bitch that she takes too long to make a point. Sadly, that is because the average viewer these days comes to the table woefully unprepared. Trying to broaden her base, she spends considerable time (and enviable patience) providing historical background and context for her complex issues. Not only is this smart, but also helpful when the RW brain trust can only counter w/’emails’.

  • Bad Tom

    Long ago, I used to admire Glenn Greenwald. Then something happened to him, and he became an asshole. Very sad.

    • QueerPunk

      Same. I used to read him very often, but like so many others, he has become shrill and one-sided. Is it Hillary Derangement Syndrome?

      • Tread

        I have a feeling she got touched by the Kevin DuJan illness and lost her way.

  • Bren

    I seem to remember (or it could have been just the weed) all the know everythings criticising the Maddowtrix for going on endlessly about the George Washington bridge. How it wasn’t a thing, and there was “nothing to see here”
    https://youtu.be/7zS7r1I8NlA
    Beware Donald, the Oracle of the news gods is never wrong.

  • Anthony Blackburn

    I thought the dumbass neoliberal warmongers were confined to more MSM sites. Guess not.

    • Behold! An example of Wonkette stroking their “war organs”:

      https://wonkette.com/615248/welcome-to-your-shiny-new-war-america

      Here’s another!

      https://wonkette.com/615254/trump-bombs-shit-out-of-syria-and-media-cant-stop-happy-jizzing-about-it

      And now for the climatic finish!

      https://wonkette.com/615409/idiot-trump-kids-have-big-league-thoughts-about-bombing-syria-so-yooge-and-tremendous

      Er…yeah, Wonkette you seem to be doing this “neoliberal warmongering” thing wrong! And now some idiot (but I don’t mean you though, Tony, wink, wink) have exhausted his range of fauxgressive cliches! Bummer!

      • Anthony Blackburn

        They are, actually. The entire point of the article is bashing Trump for not targeting Russians during his missile strike. Neoliberals are just as bloodthirsty as Republicans.

        • Manders

          “The attack does at least seem to have been designed to avoid killing Russian personnel”

          That is not a bash, guy. That is a “at least Trump didn’t kill any troops belonging to Russia, our main antagonist in the world right now, because that would be double-plus ungood.”

          • Anthony Blackburn

            I’ve been up since 7am yesterday and misread it, so my bad. With that said, it still doesn’t change the fact that the author of this current article is a blatant Neoliberal shill. Linking one article being neutral means little. Daily Kos is loaded with Neoliberal authors, and even it had an article showing the rigged machines in Chicago handing Hillary a 18 point win that was supposed to go to Sanders.

  • AdrianRR

    Yucky opinion, the delightful Maddow has become quite the Russia-only, look away from all other evils kind of person. At $30k per day it would be wonderful if she would lend a word to Al Nusra’s gas prank or the DNC’s lose easy elections doubledown.

  • what, me worry?

    I read the intercept. The general consensus there isn’t that Russia didn’t interfere with the election, nor is it that Russia didn’t collude with Trump on timing. It’s that the focus on Russia, to the exclusion of pretty much all else, is just a tactic to change the subject, and that if Dems actually want to win elections again, they’d do well to do some introspection.

    The folks in charge of Dem messaging and Dem primaries in the DNC were pretty overt about their preference for Clinton, and they were pretty conspicuous in their gaming the system for their preferred choice.

    The email leaks conducted by Russia were leaks, not fake news. In order for them to be damaging, someone in the Dem Party had to first write the emails. Someone had to cheat and say in an email, “here’s how I’m cheating to get our candidate into the general.” If you’re upset that your private emails embarrassed you, you have to first get passed the fact that you did, indeed, write those things.

    So, Rachel is changing the subject, because if we were to really evaluate the primary, the entire Dem leadership would be gone, and we can’t have that. We need to keep the corporate players in positions of power, because that’s the best way to differentiate yourself from those hippie, free love, tree hugging Republicans.

    • Manders

      Yes. It’s just a tactic. We should totes ignore the fact that many many people close to Trump had contact with Russian spies, ambassadors and oligarchs during the election, contact they have lied about, contact that has forced Manafort to register as a foreign agent. It’s totally more important for Maddow to be deconstructing the primaries that are close to six months old now instead of what’s happening right now. Why? Because some people are still super butthurt that Bernie lost, I guess. Or because Rachel Maddow is somehow in charge of DNC messaging.

      Yup, she’s just changing the subject, somehow, because if she wasn’t talking about Russia there’d be nothing else to talk about but the primaries. Right?

      • Also, I love this idea that Why Hillary Lost and how No One Wanted To Vote For Her (except the majority of people who vote, of course) is some kind of under-reported tidbit and not a dead rotting maggot-ridden horse that the punditocracy and Internet Know-It-Alls have been flogging about for months (often from people who supposedly disdained the horse-race aspects of campaigning not long before this.)

    • Jacob Prescott

      More like purity angel liberals aren’t done with their self flagellation. Did Russia actually steal the election? Hard to say, maybe it only moved the needle 1%; maybe less. But when Clinton lost the electoral college by less than 80k votes everything made an impact. If faux liberals like Greenwald were honest, their narrative would be this:

      “We don’t feel like the Russian involvement made nearly as much of a difference as the democrats inability to connect with working people. While we fully support any investigation of wrongdoing on the part of the Trump administration, at the end of the day it is the platform of the democratic party that needs to change more. Russia has influenced the presidential election, but it isn’t responsible for the republican majorities in the state legislatures, Governorships, and Congress. Democrats need to do a better job of reconnecting with all segments of America, both rural and urban, by having a progressive platform that displays both vision and leadership. This begins by recognizing that a segment of congressional democrats do not fit in to this mold, and changes in leadership will have to be made.”

      But Nope! Its always “Hey Russia is totally cool you guys why are you red baiting us? What is this the Cold War? Speaking of cold Hillary Clinton is awful. Like we can’t even; Stein 2020.”

      Also, just throwing this out there, but the Intercept was also funded by the billionaire owner of Ebay; so lets not pretend like the Intercept is a place of purity when it comes to taking corporate money when it suits them.

      • what, me worry?

        Why is it impossible for corporatists to identify more than one problem at a time? I’m able to be concerned about Russian interference AND how far afield the Democratic Party has strayed, simultaneously. And the important bit is what you continue to fail to admit – an actual liberal with actual liberal policy goals would have wiped the floor with Trump.

        As long as the Democrats insist on nominating their corporate-friendly centrists, reliably suckling at the corporate teet, no progress will be made on campaign financing, and without that, no progress can be made on a whole host of liberal policy goals.

        You want Single-payer? You need to get rid of the pharma and insurance lobby that single payer threatens. You want free public college? You need to stop the bribery emanating from the banking industry, which makes insane profits on student loans. You want real Wall St reform? You know what we need to do.

        But Democrats pretend to care about this stuff while refusing to do anything to make it happen. Your problem is that alot of us have noticed.

        • Jacob Prescott

          The fact is many far left advocates are shrugging off the Russian hacking as unimportant, even trivial….and that’s even getting them to admit it happened at all. Not realizing that the same informational drip feed could be used to damage a far left candidate just as much as it did for Hillary.

          Like so many far left advocates like yourself, I tend to agree with you on policy but utterly despise your strategy. Far left proponents tend to want to see the democrats wiped out and replaced with a new party (Green Party for the most part.) This is nowhere near happening. At best, the Green Party as been a nonfactor in politics, and at worst an enabler for republicans.

          You are also just flat out wrong on many of the issues you stated. CA is pushing for a single player system by, guess who, democrats. NY has begun the process of tuition free college by….you guessed it, democrats. Even Hillary wanted to see Citizens United reversed. So your assessment on democrats is more than a little slanted.

          Finally, I disagree that a far left candidate would have wiped the floor with Trump. I do think Bernie would have won, but even that would have been close. The fact is that anyone with an (R) next to their name is guaranteed 35%-40% of the vote no questions asked. If there is this vast teeming horde of forgotten and disparaged liberal voters, then why can the Green party not even get a mayor seat of a city, much less congressional representatives.

          So here is an idea, how about liberals start taking over the democratic party rather than blow it up. Tea Party republicans were able to and their establishment is much more beholden to corporate interests and funding. Don’t even bother trotting out the “the party is rigged” nonsense. the DNC can barely muster anything above total apathy in half or more congressional seats, so no boogieman to blame there. Anyone advocating for the complete replacement of the democratic party has no eye for strategy, and frankly not a very secure grasp on politics and power in general.

          • what, me worry?

            What an odd note. First, no one I know on the left is suggesting that hacking didn’t occur, or that the Russians weren’t involved. I think what you are referring to is the misdirection the DNC was involved with – As soon as the material came out, their unanimous response was “GAH!!! Russians!!”, all in hope that you wouldn’t actually read the emails that exposed their misdeeds, and all before Russia’s involvement was established at all. So, I think you have a horse/cart situation here, where when Democrats started screaming about Russia, it was a convenient misdirection without any evidence (at the time), and the Left was rightly skeptical of their claims. You are taking that initial well-reasoned initial skepticism and conflating it into present day denial that isn’t widely held on the Left. It’s just not the case.

            What is the case is the Left rightly prioritizes the issues by the effort they would take to remedy, and the impact of the remedy on electoral success. And the fact is, it would be easier and more effective to do some introspection into the Party and make directional changes than it would be to chase Russians for exposing your secrets with ill will. You claim to be with us vis a vis our policy goals, yet you nominated a candidate who pissed all over those goals in the primaries. The liberal Party doesn’t need a candidate who mocks our liberal goals as stupid. The candidate who mocked free public tuition and said she didn’t want to pay for Trump’s kids to go to school (as if Trump would send his kids to a public college). The candidate who mocked single payer and promised that it would never, ever come to pass. We don’t need that sort of candidate. That’s what Republicans are for.

            Clinton was indeed for overturning Citizens. And that solves the problem. Because there were no huge private donations before the Citizens ruling? You have to actually listen to what people say. Sanders was for curtailing corporate donation to political campaigns. Clinton was for ending “dark” money. She likes her corporate donations just fine.

            It is good PR that CA is trying for single payer. Did you know, this isn’t the first time it’s passed in CA? They never implement it, and they never will, because insurance will do everything they can to kill it. It is good PR for NY to announce the Excelsior Scholarship, but did you actually read the bill? In order to be eligible, you have to be a full time student on track to graduate on time, which, statistically, disqualifies almost every student of modest means. It’s a scholarship that excludes the very people who would actually benefit from it.

            Finally, you say you dislike our tactics, then you recommend that we becomes a version of the Tea Party for the left. Yet, you don’t see the irony of that statement. The Tea Party controls the Republicans by threatening primary challenges, and those primary challenges are well funded, because the Tea Party is an astroturf organization. The DSA, of which I’m a member, is funded by the membership. So we aren’t as well funded. Yet.

            As for whether the Party is rigged? Well. This is the kind of thing we’re on about. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d54ade1db4771dec3858511caeebadb6dee1e1f122f11de8f6bb521d06a3b0fe.jpg

    • Tread

      Fuck you and your bullshit, butthurt Bernie love. This election had real and lasting consequences, one of which my might actually be nuclear fucking war. If you procreate (which god help us if you do), I hope your progeny look at you in disgust and anger with what your purity vote did to the world.

      • Matt

        you sound like a child who is throwing a tantrum. Get a grip.

    • Maybe

      Yes. You should definitely worry. Being clueless can be dangerous.

  • PotatoOfDestiny

    I do not understand how liberals are not incandescently pissed at hillary for throwing what should have been the easiest election in human history.

    Did russia play us? Yes. Yes they did.

    Do you know what you do about it? Be a better fucking animal next time. You’re surprised that someone would fuck with our elections? Jesus, the number of elections we’ve fucked with over the last 50 years should tell you how easy it is.

    They leaked some goddamn emails. The emails would not have been damaging IF THEY HAD NOT BEEN WRITTEN. Or for that matter, if John Podesta could figure out basic email security.

    It’s Donald Fucking Trump. How do you run such a shitty campaign that you lose to *that*?

    • The emails would also not have been damaging if they hadn’t been hyped nonstop by Hillary haters on the left, right, and center. They *weren’t* damaging. They were nothingburgers. Yet for some reason no one would stop harping on them. Each new Trump scandal was worse than the last, but each one got basically one news cycle, then it was over. It was basically “oh, that’s just Donald” to the sexual harassment and assault allegations, the tax returns, the weirdass Russian connections that actually were being reported on before the election, the ties to white supremacists, the violating the Cuba embargo, the shenanigans with his foundation, and on and on and on. I can’t imagine why anyone on any part of the political spectrum would choose to ignore the multiple crimes, ethical quagmires, and cons following Donald Trump around in favor of harping on some boring bullshit emails, but they did. I watched them do it.

      I don’t know what more Hillary or her campaign could have done to break through what looked like a concerted effort to ignore anything she said or did that wasn’t emails. I would argue that 3 million more votes says that she *did* get through to the majority of voters. I am glad that she didn’t do the things that got people out to the polls for Trump, like pander to racists and lie about bringing back coal mining and factory jobs, because who wants to win like that? Short of doing that, though, what could she have done? She had great policy ideas that were fully formed and fleshed out in great detail. She had all that temperament, experience, and knowledge stuff that one would think you’d want in a president. The presidency has been won with a lot less than what she was offering (a good case in point would be Trump himself). So I don’t see the point in hating Hillary. What more did you want her to be?

      • “The emails would also not have been damaging if they hadn’t been hyped nonstop by Hillary haters on the left, right, and center.”

        You’re saying that under the rules of “lesser evilism”, you don’t expose the corruption anywhere close to your side of the centerline?

        Gosh, we should remember that going forwards. We may never have to get our hopes up again that we’ll get someone in the WH who is not pre-corrupted.

        Or evil at all…

        Sure would take the pressure off us troublemakers on the far left where we’ve been fighting for a progressive, populist and true democratic world for our collective future. You know instead of the one your suggestion brings, where the whole world is embroiled in endless war, thanks to the consequences of Global Warming and free market capitalism.

        I don’t know why we didn’t think of that before?

        Oh, wait yes I do…

        • I’m saying that people who knew better wasted time making up fake conspiracies about spirit cooking and pedo pizza places out of innocuous emails instead of talking about actual scandals, like collusion with a foreign power, sexual assault and harassment, scam universities, etc, etc, etc.

          • I’m guessing you just made-up (faked) the “fake conspiracies about spirit cooking and pedo pizza places”?

            I can see how such things might be a distraction, but hardly more than “innocuous” themselves. I would be relieved if the worst of the DNC were only about italian ghost cooking.

            Do you ever think that your political zeal has blinded you to the sad fact that “lesser evilism” is tantamount to political voodoo? That by ignoring corruption on either side of a single-minded political duopoly, for the sake of your BFF candidate is probably the most dangerous risk you could ever take with our shared democracy?

            What I “knew better” was that Bernie Sanders could probably have handily defeated Trump. And he wasn’t even the best “left” candidate. Clinton on the other hand? Either you were asleep between 1990 and 1998 or you really don’t have a clue what democracy, world peace, those kinds of things are supposed to be about in this 21st century. Like for the benefit of the whole world? And not just the elite and their few thousand parrot minions.

            At this point, I fear you wouldn’t get any of that. Couldn’t get it. You’d be too busy with your spindoctor comeback about all the “other evil” in the world that we have to fight with our “lesser evil”.

            Not even giving any consideration to the possibility that we are now lying in the global bed that we started “making up” decades ago…

            Without wasting too much of my time with the kind of truth to power you’d probably find a way around, let me just point you to one article that goes straight to your “collusion with a foreign power” allegation that began long before even Obama was POTUS. And which he too only acted to support and expand on.

            From the reverse perspective of democratic “push back”:
            http://www.mintpressnews.com/eff-sues-stop-decision-allowing-foreign-governments-spy-americans/226937/

          • I’m sure all the bullshit you spouted here will be a great comfort to future generations dealing with the fallout from a Trump presidency. Sure, they’ll be dealing with rolled back civil rights, a devastated environment, and possibly WWIII, but at least you’re comfortable asserting that Bernie would won if not for some evil DNC staffers emailing each other about how much of a fucking dick he was. Of course, there may not BE future generations if the fallout from Trump’s election turns out to be nuclear fallout. But hey, at least you can feel self-righteous about St. Bernie. You must be so proud of yourself for making that brave stand.

            Fuck off.

          • “bullshit” only to the self-deluded, uninformed and blissful ignorant.

            Nothing you mentioned there would have been off the table for a Hillary “super predator” Clinton WH. The woman who came, saw and murdered. Not to mention the chief child refugee deporter, and the one who actually suggested to Trump first that he should missle strike Syria last week. All which I’m sure you know how to ignore, call lies, etc.

            Any differences between those two BFFs would likely only be those of priority placement and scheduling.

            Oh, yeah, and the secret bank account numbers for the looting of our national and global wealth they both are so good at.

            Bernie betrayed us too. I have no more love for him than the two “evils”, of which you would love to see one bleached-blond of the two break the big gender “glass ceiling”? Even if it means breaking the world afterwards.

            So thanks (no thanks) for merely proving my point miss SugarplumPottymouth…

      • Amal Iel

        “The emails would also not have been damaging if they hadn’t been hyped nonstop by Hillary haters on the left, right, and center. They *weren’t* damaging. They were nothingburgers”

        So let me get this straight–the emails, which revealed absolutely nothing according to you, were damaging to hillary’s campaign… simply because they existed? And not due to what was actually in them, showing how Hillary’s team decided her public policy for her in real time, or all of her shifty business dealings via her pal Huma while playing the role of Sec. State.

        “the shenanigans with his foundation”
        I’m no trumper but there was a ton going on with the Clinton Foundation–things you didn’t pay attention to, calling them nothingburgers. I’m sorry to see that this traumatic election has detached you from reality.

  • UR_FREINDLY_NEIGHBORHOOD_TROLL
      • UR_FREINDLY_NEIGHBORHOOD_TROLL

        ” foriegn ” You can’t even spell, sweetie,

        • Shrug. You’re right. I can’t. (There goes my chance to beat Russell Mcgowan in the state championship spelling bee, goshdarnit.) Of course I can edit my post. Is Schneider S-M-R-T enough (“mommy, he’s mispelling at me!”) to edit his asinine comments? Just something to think about when your sentencing me to Spellcheck Penitentiary, Officer Pedantic.

        • sgt. jmk of the résistance

          That’s ok. You seem unable to reason, so I think you’re decidedly on the losing side of that comparison.

          • UR_FREINDLY_NEIGHBORHOOD_TROLL

            “I think” What’s going on inside that empty, thick, communist-star-flaunting skull of yours isn’t ‘thinking’, sweetie,

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            And you divined that from a single comment?

            I think that thinking isn’t your strongest skill. Schoolyard insults… THAT’S where you excel.

          • UR_FREINDLY_NEIGHBORHOOD_TROLL

            No, dummy, I deduced that from your moronic communist avatar, and your ludicrous username,

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            My “communist avatar”? LOL

            Ohhhhhh you sooooooo fail.

            *walks away laughing hysterically… hehehehe communist avatar! hehehehehehe*

          • UR_FREINDLY_NEIGHBORHOOD_TROLL

            ^ I rest my case,

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            Oh cupcake. It’s not a “communist avatar.” It’s a picture of a frog – and not that Pepe shit you nitwits think is awesome – wearing a hat. It’s not even a commie hat.

            Look closer, asswipe. And then just go fuck away.

          • UR_FREINDLY_NEIGHBORHOOD_TROLL

            “asswipe” You have mistaken me for your Mother, sweetie,

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            No, cupcake. As a follower of Trump and a daily consumer of Faux Nooz, my mother is often an asshole.

            You, however, have neither her integrity nor her originality. You’re just a piece of clinging debris – a shitstain… and, thus, asswipe is the mot juste.

          • UR_FREINDLY_NEIGHBORHOOD_TROLL

            Wow, badmouthing *your own Mother* online, so pathetic, but to be expected from an *absolutely worthless* piece of communist trash really, also lol@your embarrassingly stupid “resistance” moniker, time you got some professional mental health help while it’s still only small animals that you’re hurting fatty,

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            A few things, Trolly:

            I’ve never been a communist. You should probably learn what words mean before you use them….and you should take a look at the hat that is clearly bothering you so much. It’s not a communist star.

            Oh, and by the way, your president is in bed with a man who desperately wants to bring back the Soviet Union. Vlad’s a commie at heart, yet you RWingers are all falling all over yourselves in approval of him and think he’s your buddy, and Donnie kisses Vlad’s ass on the regular. How’s that feeling for you?

            Fun fact: Since I actively work against the grifter you gullible twits installed in the White House, my name is appropriate – and that’s not even counting that you missed the accent aigu and would fail to recognize its significance anyway.

            I don’t call recognizing my mother’s integrity to be “badmouthing” her. Sadly, she has falled victim to the fear-merchants at Faux Nooz, and when she repeats what the assholes and criminals in the RW bloatosphere tell her, she becomes one of you for that time.

            My four-times-a-week hot yoga practice saves me from being a “fatty,” sugarcube.

            And finally, it seems to me that your sad little screed probably contains a lot of projection… because it’s ALWAYS about projection with you fuckwits, isn’t it?

            Buhbye, dumbass. I’ve encountered a lot of idiots in my online life, but your stupidity is weapons-grade.

          • UR_FREINDLY_NEIGHBORHOOD_TROLL

            TL;DR,

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            Obviously – because it makes you tired and cranky to have to sound out all the big words.

    • Jacob Prescott

      Though one might point out that most of that is post Citizens United v FEC, and the 2010 house flipped largely because of how unpopular the ACA was at the time.

    • Freida Peeple

      GET A JOB. Oh…right…sorry. Can you collect worker’s comp? Disability?

  • Jeremy

    “SHITTY INTERTUBES BLOG SITE!”

    Hang on there, champs. I don’t think you wanna accuse other sites of being shitty blogs. That’s literally the Wonkette brand. Also, The Intercept does actual journalism – this site does not.

  • Résistance Land Shark Ω

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/22/politics/carter-page-smerconish-fbi-report/

    Why is this assclown allowed on TV? Lock him up!

  • James4545

    “Stupid Intercept Idiots”? Who wrote this, a third grader? What’s next calling them “poopheads”? And sorry, Maddow is out of control not only with her baseless Russian conspiracy claims but the fact she just goes on pretending like she never said anything when her wacky ideas are proven wrong (like when she blamed Putin for the CIA hack, which turned out to be an inside job.)

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