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Tuesday night, Rachel Maddow broke the entire internet when she tweeted that she had “Trump taxes” to share on her nightly TV program! The internet LITERALLY DIED OF ORGASMS like “What is it going to be? Will it be THE SMOKING GUN that brings down Donald Trump, and his little hands too?” Then, perhaps sensing that the internet was losing it a li’l too much in anticipation, Maddow’s team tweeted a bit later that what they had was from Trump’s 2005 1040 form. And they did! It was interesting! Read our liveblog here! It was the first two pages, and it showed, in very little detail, that Trump indeed paid some taxes that year, and it brought up more questions than it answered, quite frankly.

And ever since, Liberals On The Internet have been shouting “BURN HER,” except they’re liberals, so they’re more like “TRIGGER WARNING FOR RACHEL MADDOW SUX NOW!” We think this happened for two reasons: 1) It was kind of underwhelming, or as much of Twitter apparently couldn’t stop saying, a “nothingburger.” 2) Oh god, we liberals are a bit exhausted right now, aren’t we? Trying to keep up with the daily barrage of Bad Things the Trump regime is doing and trying to do to America really blows — just this week, we’re watching the disaster of Trump/RyanCare and maybe Trump wants to dismantle the executive branch of government, not to mention how the pieces keep trickling out on the Russia investigation TOO SLOWLY, JUST GIVE US THE GOODS, GODDAMMIT. Given the opportunity to jack ourselves into a frenzy with anticipation that maybe Rachel had THE SMOKING GUN, we allowed ourselves (literally, we are including ourselves!) to believe maybe just maybe Rachel Maddow had a story that was about to Change Everything!!!!1!!!!

Instead, we have a document that actually, in this one isolated instance, makes Trump look like a halfway decent rich person who paid some taxes that one time! Which immediately leads us to, AHEM EXCUSE US, did Donald Trump leak his own taxes like a common Russian pee hooker? Did he pick one of what we are imagining are very few returns that make him look pretty decent, creep out of the White House at night and pitter patter to journalist David Cay Johnston’s mailbox and stick them in there? Lots of people think so! Even Joe Scarborough, co-star of MSNBC’s “Morning Mika,” who seems to have been experiencing some revelations about the Trump regime as of late, thinks so!

In response to the broadcast, Donald J. Trump, alleged president of the United States, is making no sense and having a conniption, if you’d ever believe such a thing. Before Maddow went to air Wednesday night, her show reached out to the White House to try to verify the documents, and the regime responded with a statement full o’ butthurt about the “desperate” media that still confirmed the veracity of what Maddow had:

Also, last night, the oldest human being formed by Ivana Trump’s egg and one of Donald Trump’s spray-tanned sperm seemed to confirm the realness of the tax returns:

Oh, what gloating! (Dildo Jr. was also retweeting people like Mike Cernovich and Mike Huckabee, because he keeps really good company.)

So did Donald Trump leak this thing by himself, so that he and the real president Steve Bannon could curate their own outrage machine at the media, and also distract us from other stuff? MAYBE! But if Trump’s tweet from Wednesday morning (AKA “this morning”) is any indication, he’s completely forgotten his own narrative, or his brain is broken, or he hasn’t had his overcooked steak chunk breakfast or been burped or had his diaper changed, or WHATEVER happens in Trump’s morning routine that makes him “fit” for being “president” for a whole day:

FAKE NEWS! TOTALLY MADE UP! What a freak he is.

As far as what this leads to, we don’t know! Rachel Maddow is very, very correct when she says that the more of this tax stuff that comes out, the more damning it’s likely to be for Trump. So watch this space! Or Rachel Maddow’s space! At the same time, we have a lot of shit on our plate to focus on right now, like the healthcare debacle and (hooray!) RUSSIA HEARINGS (finally!) (maybe). And of course there’s just Trump’s continual eroding/destruction of American democracy/institutions/ideals. But Rachel sure did get all our attention last night, didn’t she?

Look, did Maddow’s team go a little bit too hard with the hype for this one? Maybe probably sure we guess — although “sending two tweets” doesn’t actually sound like that much overhype. We read into those two tweets what we wanted them to mean.

Unless James Comey tells Chuck Grassley today that he’s got Trump on video getting a couple’s massage with Julian Assange, we’re probably not going to get #TheSmokingGun the way we all crave, at least not until it’s been trickling out and trickling out and trickling out, until finally one day, it will be like “Oh holy shit, there it all is! INPEACH! INPEACH!”

Just kidding, #TheSmokingGun is the Russian pee hooker video.

(ALLEGEDLY.)

(Or is it????)

The end.

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  • memzilla Ω
    • Oblios_Cap

      And that’s really the important thing here.

    • OddMan

      As I wash a little metaphorical blood from my own hands I must say, never has a Ides of March joke been more perfectly fit.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    1. The show sucked.
    2. I still love Rachel
    3. Don’t tell me what to think.
    4. YOUR”E NOT MY REAL DAD!!1!

    • msanthropesmr

      I learned it from you dad.

  • puredog

    I would note that this is an unsigned copy. That may just mean that it is a “client copy” of an unsigned DRAFT. There is nothing about this document that shows it to have been actually filed.

  • Lizzietish81

    Even if she did leak really damaging stuff, it’s not like congress would get off their flabby white asses to do anything about it.

    • Stulexington

      They will once the rabble turns on him. It’s just getting more and more depressing waiting for that to happen.

      • Lizzietish81

        What about the New Season of Surviving the Kardashians’ Apprentice?

    • Proud Liberal

      That is what is so depressing. They are enabling the dismantling of our government and are doing absolutely nothing about it.

    • Suttree

      Trumpcare should include preventative care for congresscritters. Also I’m tired of paying for their electricity. Win-win solution? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c8b873e1ccf366b2bc1fb2149e81f1a51acfa392cf51c86cb00a49c26f68c091.jpg

    • IdRatherBeDancing

      Now you arre just ruining the party with this bit of reality — thanks!

  • onedollarjuana

    Wait, are we talking about information leaks, or pee hooker leaks?

  • Bill D. Burger

    Everyone should chill a bit. My favorite bit of feel good over all this kerfuffle is that RM is beating the hell out of Bill O’Liely and Fucker Carlson in the ratings war in her time period for the 24-54 year olds….THE coveted demographic.
    Suck it FUX News.
    Yeah…I’m too excited, but I’m getting my jollies where I can in all this.

  • Proud Liberal

    What is being missed here is HOW did Trump make the money, not how much money he made. The man is corrupt. His ties to Deutsche Bank are very suspect and we all know they are a bunch of crooks.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Bharara was looking into Deutsche Bank. What do you think the odds are that investigation will get buried deeper than Jimmy Hoffa now that he got shitcanned? Journalists are our only hope on this one.

      • Mr. Blobfish

        Bharara will make a great anonymous source.

      • chimpevil

        Maddow’s on that case too. Remember she was the one who kept picking at the thread of Bridgeghazi till the whole thing unraveled in Chris Christie’s massive, non-Cabinet appointed lap.

    • ariel_gee_398

      And why, if he leaked it, he did have one ‘positive’ return to leak. Rich folks like not paying taxes, have a lot of loopholes to exploit, and often have an effective tax rate under 20%. Did his accountants just fuck up?

      • PubOption

        “Ok, Moishe (he did say Jews count his money), show me what I would pay if I didn’t take any questionable deductions and what I would pay if I did.”

        • ariel_gee_398

          It’s hard to imagine that he would ever opt not to take the questionable deductions.

      • Lascauxcaveman

        The devil is in the details; or in this case the deductions. As puredog pointed out above, this is an unsigned draft of a tax return, not an actual tax return. It could easily have been manufactured by the gang in the White House to make Trump look good and more importantly, distract from the matters at hand.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      What were his sources of the $150 million? I don’t see any W2s attached to that 1040!

    • Hobbes’ Evil Twin

      We won’t know that without all the K-1 statements. But this is interesting:

      If Trump told the truth about his net worth in 2005, he earned 1.5% on his assets after tax. Savings accounts were paying 4.92%. He lied.— Kurt Eichenwald (@kurteichenwald) March 15, 2017

  • Latverian Diplomat

    “It must be #FakeNews because it makes me look like a decent taxpaying American…wait,what? Where am i? [Looks around] This is not my beautiful house. [Sees Kellyann Conway] That is not my beautiful wife.”
    — Donald Trump has a once in a lifetime moment

  • Sardonicuss

    Bigger story: In unprecedented lucid tweet, Joe Scar makes actual sense!

    • schmannity

      He is better than he was in Lion King.

  • Me not sure

    A slowly dripping faucet will eventually fill up a plugged sink. I’d say stay tuned.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Trump is not dismantling the executive branch. That’s all Bannon. Trump is a dimwit who has no idea how the government functions.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “Once again, I struck a great licensing deal for the Trump name, this time with President Bannon.”
      — Donald Trump

    • Bill D. Burger

      And his only interest in the office he holds is how he can use it to grift for his holdings and family. EVERY scintilla of social and political discourse is boring to him; he couldn’t care less; will say anything at any time about any issue; and his FUBAR shit show rolls on with the true believers like Bannon/Pence/Miller and their minions working like termites looking for ways to inflict their agenda on the country.

  • Vincent Ricola

    If I never hear the word “nothingburger” again in my life, it will still be too much.

    And there is no Trump “smoking gun”, his entire MO is convoluting his bullshit treasonous activities in a web of financial lies so it’s too complicated for the average person/journalist to follow and then hoping that people give up before their brains start to hurt. I just hope people actually listened to her A block.

  • Mpeg

    I want to know who will be playing the role of the Tax Returns on the upcoming SNL~

    • Sardonicuss

      TBD

  • memzilla Ω
  • IdRatherBeDancing

    I’m still staring at my microwave oven. Did something happen yesterday?

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “I’m sorry could you speak a little more clearly and slowly? We’re having problems with reception on our end. Thanks!”
      — The Obama Deep State Secret Surveillance Program

  • Crank Tango

    I’m holding out for whatever’s in Al Capone’s glove compartment.

    • msanthropesmr

      Gloves?

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Geraldo?

  • Latverian Diplomat

    “I said, leak my ‘Tacks Returns’. You know those times I sent a case of thumb tacks back to Office Depot.”
    — Donald Trump

    • IdRatherBeDancing

      That audible groan you just heard was me :)

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Hitler didn’t pay his taxes, so give Trump that much.

    • Oblios_Cap

      I’m thinking these are Russian forgeries…

  • Randy Riddle

    Watergate wasn’t built in a day.

  • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

    I think we have become conditioned to expect ONE HUGE BOMBSHELL that will blow the Trump Administration apart.
    Remember, Watergate unraveled the Nixon Administration over the course of two years and began when a burglary investigation turned up checks that had been earmarked for Nixon’s campaign in the burglars’ accounts.

    • chortlingdingo

      I think we’re also impatient to be rid of Trump and his entire administration before they do too much damage to the actual structure of government. It’d be nice to have that “smoking gun” to kick them all out before we don’t have a functioning government anymore.

    • Sardonicuss

      Two years and a handful of Repub congressman who were not blatantly evil.
      We may have neither now.

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Look, if your income was $150 million on claimed assets of $10 billion, then you would have been better off putting your entire $10 billion in a passbook savings account.

    • YoBunnyBunny

      Yeah…. that math don’t sound right…

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “I record all my pussygrabs in a passbook.”
      — Donald Trump

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    Saw the first tweet, saw the second tweet, and thought whatever. I watch her show every night anyway. Sometimes twice.

    • BosGrl

      I do too! I always catch something I missed the first time.

  • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

    I very much want to believe in Maddow, but it’s shit like this is why the prosecutor doesn’t rush to the media every time a new piece of evidence turns up. Because *even if its true*, if you dribble it out too much in too many small doses then 1) your audience will lose their sense of the bigger picture as they’re tied down in the minutiae, 2) your audience will get frustrated by the pace, and finally 3) YOUR AUDIENCE WILL GET BORED AND LEAVE.

    • Suttree

      Unless your name is Comey.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Yes. And this supports the theory that the leak was deliberate. But Maddow basically had no choice but to report it. All signs point to Bannon or someone else who can strategize.

  • dslindc
  • hyperbolic_hysteria

    Rachel had the attention of a lot of people last night. A good number outside of her usual viewership. She spent the first 10 minutes laying out all the trump-russia connections. If her hype did nothing be educate a few of these viewers, it was worth it.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    Argh. You know, the more I think about it, Rachel was in a tough spot. She gets ahold of this tax return, and – what’s she supposed to do, not report it??

    I hope she emphasized the importance of learning why and how this return was leaked and obtained, and that that, in fact, is the more interesting question, given the innocuousness of the return itself.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      I didn’t see the program, but my understanding is that they did go over the very real possibility that Trump’s people leaked this and why.

      • Lance Thrustwell

        Good. I hope so – Maddow’s no dummy, to understate just a wee bit.

  • Oblios_Cap

    It seems that maybe Trump isn’t a Billionaire after all; apparently most of his 2005 income came from selling off distressed properties. Now, back to the Russian spying…

  • george gonzalez

    Two, er, hmm, more very suspicious things:

    (1) The tax form that RM waved around was rubber-stamped “Client Copy”, sort of like the copy that only Donald J. Trump would have gotten and not shown to anyone else.

    (1.5) It didn’t include anything really juicy, like who he owes money to, whether this was an unusual tax year, or what he owns and deducts.

    (2) The White House was VERY QUICK to respond to this revelation, almost like, they knew what was coming.

    (3) It kinda made Trump look almost human.

    (4) Trump didn’t pop a gasket on Twitter about this “leak”.

    All very, very suspicious.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Hurm.

    • memzilla Ω

      They knew it was coming at least because Maddow’s staff would have called for confirmation and comment before airtime. Not to say Bannon didn’t plant it beforehand.

  • Dr. Strangelove’s Child

    Yeah, I was underwhelmed, but it did highlight one thing: How freaking unusual it is for 45* to not release his tax returns. It wasn’t a good night for Rachel, but it wasn’t her fault.

    And Trump or one of his minions is obviously the source of this “leak”.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Also, too, just a 1040 tells us nothing. We need schedules.

  • Chadwells

    What rubbed me wrong was the 30 minutes of rambling on by Maddow before she ever actually showed the 2 pages. That was really fucking annoying.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      That’s how she rolls. That’s how all of them roll. That way you sit through a bunch of commercials and a cash register ca-chings in 30 Rock.

      • Chadwells

        There is a fine line of waiting for a reveal…and they waited 20 minutes too long. Just this man’s opinion as someone who has worked in TV for 20 years. Drama for dramas sake ruins.

      • persistently_resistant_gayby

        I definitely feel more educated when Rachel Maddow uses a prologue before the piece-de-resistance.

        • Lefty Frizzell

          What was the piece-de-resistance?

          • persistently_resistant_gayby

            Not this show, particularly. But she always has a build-up.

    • I enjoy her ramblings. I find them edumacational

      • persistently_resistant_gayby

        Aye!

        Also, gives me more time to stare and admire…

      • Chadwells

        Never said I didn’t like them. They were important, the things she was saying. The things about what it didn’t say as much as what it did say and so on. All important info. It could have been all talked about after the reveal.

        • But then the non regular viewer would tune out. Last night’s A block laid out rather sussinctly what she’s been linking together for the last few weeks and brings it back to why it’s very important to see where Twitler’s money comes from

          • Chadwells

            Completelly agree and understand. My takeaway was the AMT issue. That was a big success for Maddow in revealing these 2 pages. She put Dampnut in a tough spot there.

            Also, for what it is worth…2005 was the year Dampnut married Malaria….so that really raises suspicions as to why that years taxes were cherry picked for a “leak”…

      • IdRatherBeDancing

        I’ve always liked her slow roll, linking crazy shit together, but at heart I’m a nerd.

    • Vincent Ricola

      I think she knew she had a bigger audience than normal, who weren’t familiar with her previous reporting, and she was trying to bring them up-to-speed.

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      Aw, fuck off – what was she supposed to do with this bucket of shit she’d been handed? This was a Mr. Lahey level shitticket, designed to make us, and especially Rachel, look like we’d been barking up the wrong shit tree. For me to be annoyed with Maddow, it’d take a whole lot more than your wasted attention span…

      • Chadwells

        Are you telling me to fuck off? No need to be a fucking cunt about it.

        • Toomush_Inferesistance

          I get a little tired of leftwing folks willing to throw their comrades over the side for a trifle. You did it to Rachel. I did it to you. Sorry to use you as an example, but save your ire for the really crappy folks in the trump administration…

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      That’s her show.

      It’s not like you were waiting for info to defuse a bomb.

      • Chadwells

        I understand. Look, everyone is in such a hurry to pop a vessel about me saying anything remotely perceived as negative in regards to Maddow. I know it’s how she does her show I enjoy her show. Also…I’ve worked in TV for 20 years and this is my professional opinion. She knew it was only 2 pages. The producers decision to hold it for 30 minutes into the show was a mistake. Hence why it is even being discussed ad nauseam. That’s all I was saying!!! Everything she said was required and important info…just presented out of order.

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          I’m not popping a vessel, I just disagree. IMO she consistently pushes her reveals a bit long and it’s basically the pattern of her show. People are upset now and kind of desperate for any hope, so maybe they should have broken with that pattern. But it really is how she operates regularly. If it’s a bad choice, it’s not limited to this episode.

          • Chadwells

            LOL! I wasn’t specifically saying you!!! The other commenters! Anyway…I’m glad she brought attention to the AMT aspect. That was the biggest success of the entire story!

          • Resistance Fighter Astraea

            We’re all just so tired of this whole damn farce of a presidency already.

          • Chadwells

            A-fuckin-men to that!!! It’s exhausting and we aren’t even 60 days in!

          • Chadwells

            Someone actually told me to fuck off!!! Just saying…holy cow! Don’t say anything bad about Maddow…now I know!!

          • Toomush_Inferesistance

            I believe that was me, and I’m sorry for your butthurt…

          • Mike Steele

            Hey, Chadwell…no need to be tetchy. Once pointed out that HRC wasn’t a heaven-sent candidate and was immediately labeled a ‘jackass’ by regular fellow poster. At Wonkette, as long as it’s all in the family, no harm-no foul.

  • Chadwells

    Don’t all yell at me!!! I like Maddow!!! She just went a little over the top!!!

  • lucidamente

    Does anybody really really believe that a president, who nobody ever heard of, “went to his mailbox” and mailed his tax returns?

    • Mr. Blobfish

      There was no mention of where the postmark was from, but remember this: trump wouldn’t know how to send an electronic version.

    • artem1s

      now if they came by courier…

  • MynameisBlarney
    • Oblios_Cap

      “Contact D.J. Trump, Jr. if you want to sell.”

      • Bill D. Burger

        “Best prices. I pay only top dollar. Believe me. You can believe that.”

      • Latverian Diplomat

        Coming Soon Trump Border Wall and Casino!

        • PubOption

          Rio-a-Campo Resort.

      • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

        Also contact him if you don’t want to sell. Because ya ain’t got no choice.

        • Mike Steele

          IDK…there was that little old lady in Atlantic City who held her ground

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      They do have to give fair market value for the land. Whether or not that’s worth it to the owners to fight through the court system is another issue.

    • LesBontemps

      Wait a minute … isn’t that Rock Ridge? I’ve seen this movie before.

    • YoBunnyBunny

      To my understanding (can’t remember which linky I saw it order, sorry), there are still ongoing cases in courts from when the Bush II folks tried to declare eminent domain to unsuccessfully build a fence or somesuch.

      If anything, I would wager that even if no wall ever goes up (most likely case), Donny and his ilk will probably just end up handing that land to private developers (that is if it’s valuable).

    • Alan

      Yeah, get back in a couple decades.

  • IdRatherBeDancing

    See one of the joys of turning off cable news on Nov. 9 is that I don’t get annoyed, don’t fret with Morning Joe’s sudden revelation that DJT is a complete looney asshole and I have more time for fucking or pursuing fucking. It’s all a win for me.

    • Suttree

      Network news also too.

      • IdRatherBeDancing

        That was implied — haha — but yes yes.

  • persistently_resistant_gayby

    WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU SAY THIS EVAN! NUH UH – TIME OUT TIME OUT.

    Unless James Comey tells Chuck Grassley today that he’s got Drumpf on video getting a couple’s massage with Julian Assange,

    • BadKitty904

      Dude, I just ate breakfast, OK?

      • persistently_resistant_gayby

        HEY, I’M ABOUT TO SLEEP – THIS IS MOST DEFINITELY GOING TO FEATURE IN MY NIGHTMARE.

        • BadKitty904

          That’s just wrong, maaan…

          • persistently_resistant_gayby

            I want to sleep thinking I’m in Chris Evan’s arms, okay. Is that too much to ask for, Evan..?

          • BadKitty904

            *purrs*

          • wide_stance_hubby

            No way I could sleep thinking I was in Chris Evans’ wherevers.

          • persistently_resistant_gayby

            That is my happy place now. It was Ryan Reynolds for a while – but he’s too happy with his family.

          • BadKitty904

            Plus he’s far too funny being a Dad. it’d be distracting.

          • persistently_resistant_gayby

            Too distracting from all the tweeting too..

          • wide_stance_hubby

            Milo Ventimiglia used to be too Tiger Beat for me, but he has grown into himself these days. I could take refuge in that.

          • persistently_resistant_gayby

            Oh, I had fun with him in Gilmore Girls.

            But, he needs to get rid of that moustache. Honestly.

          • wide_stance_hubby

            Not fond of it either, but not a deal-breaker. Not at all.

          • IdRatherBeDancing

            oooo, did someone mention David Sutcliffe?

          • No. Never.

          • persistently_resistant_gayby

            Huh… He was quite a stud..

          • IdRatherBeDancing

            A Ryan Gosling and Chris Hemsworth sandwich or GTFO.

          • persistently_resistant_gayby

            There are so many to pick… CAN’T I HAVE ALL OF THEM?!

          • wide_stance_hubby

            I’m mentally having all of them right now.

          • persistently_resistant_gayby

            Aw, can I join..?

          • wide_stance_hubby

            Sure!

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Well, now you’ve got room for another breakfast!

      • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

        Now that’s dog thinking!

  • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

    “Leaked 1040 for 2005 shows I paid taxes. I have fired my accountant like a dog!” #DeletedTrumpTweets

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “When you hire a Jewish accountant, you expect better.”
      — #TrumpTweetsInterceptedbyJared

    • Bebecca

      even his tiny tweets don’t make sense.

  • BadKitty904

    Not Entirely OT: As we discussed last night on the Wonkette live-bloog…

    Journalist Who Received Trump Tax Return Questions If Trump Leaked It Himself
    Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist David Cay Johnston says he received two pages from the 2005 document in the mail from an unknown source.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rachel-maddow-donald-trump-tax-return_us_58c8a110e4b022994fa317ba?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

  • LarryHoudini

    Next time I go out to a restaurant and get a burrito I don’t like, maybe I will stand up and scream FAKE NEWS!!!! Then eat it all anyways, stiff the waiter, not pay the bill and dare the manager to sue me, but maybe I won’t because I’m not a total asshole.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      And make sure to grope the waiter on your way out.

  • Crystalclear12

    He may have released them to distract from his dumpster fire but it worked for all 30 seconds. Now back to your regularly scheduled shit show.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    No taxes
    No taxes
    You’re the taxes

  • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

    If you could go back in time and re-live 1972-1974, you would know that the Watergate scandal took time to unfold, from break-in to on-going coverup to Nixon’s resignation. The press at the time was slow to catch the scent but dogged investigation plus an FBI informant who leaked to the press would eventually speed things up. I think we live in a much more media-driven world with expectations about reality which the real world simply cannot satiate. Had I been Rachel however, I would have tweeted that we have some new information, and not leave an open expectation of a full monty.

    But like I said last night, the door is now open wider to invite more leakers and demands from everyone to see Donald’s full set of tax returns. Something seems to be hidden and Donald or Jared on Donald’s behalf or someone close to him may have deliberately leaked the return we saw last night to throw us off the scent. There has already been a “Saturday night massacre” of Attorneys General, there have been any number of other threads to the unraveling of the president, 2017 that have been loosened. There will be more.

    • Ricky Gay

      and at least there are no reports of suspicious kerning or typography

      • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

        iswydt

    • The Flaming Carrot

      As evidenced by the fact that the break-in happened during the ’72 campaign, yet the Watergate hearings interfered with my ability to watch “Match Game ’74.”

  • Sardonicuss

    The only thing fishy about the distraction angle is that it implies they are savvy enough to pre launch a distraction before the actual bullshit.
    ….or were they trying to distract us from previous bullshit?
    Or am I having a stroke at this point?

    • ariel_gee_398

      We’re all like Vizzini trying to figure out which cup has the iocane powder in it at this point.

    • Lizzietish81

      Real President Bannon maybe.

    • Proud Liberal

      I’m not sure how everybody talking about Trump’s tax returns helps him in the least. It makes him look more guilty because he refuses to release them and people are starting to catch on to that fact.

  • MynameisBlarney

    *cues dramatic music*

    Trump in Graham’s cross hairs

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141728611

    • BadKitty904

      Ew.

      • MynameisBlarney

        HAHA!!!

  • Resistance Fighter Astraea

    The debate over what’s a distraction and what will help fight against Dampnut is quickly becoming the distraction among the left.

    Can we all just admit that none of us are experts at defeating an American fascist who managed to get elected president and no one has the One Weird Trick, but infighting and concern trolling are probably not it?

    • BadKitty904

      Which is almost certainly what it was intended to do.

    • Proud Liberal

      We can only hope our elected officials and investigative reporters give a flying fuck about this country enough to stop this from going much further.

    • persistently_resistant_gayby

      You’ve said all the good words – NO FAIR ASTRAEA!

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        Don’t worry, there are lots of good words left!

    • Sardonicuss

      Yes. The debate about what constitutes a distraction is becoming a distraction…
      Wait……?

    • Vincent Ricola

      Yes. Please.

    • Fight everything! All the time! Make some friends to fight in shifts!

      • persistently_resistant_gayby

        “Hey, stop punching me!!”

        • BadKitty904

          MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!

        • LesBontemps

          Stop hitting yourself! Stop hitting yourself!

          • persistently_resistant_gayby

            “DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD”

      • Jamoche

        The revolution will be crowdsourced!

    • To those unfamiliar wih what RFA is referring to, please review IRS Form 1040 Squirrel.

    • Gayer Than Thou

      Gawd, this. I am sooooo out of patience for the endless think pieces – generally patronizing – about how we’re allowing ourselves to be distracted by this or that.

      • persistently_resistant_gayby

        Do we need to remind folks that unlike Trumpturds – we’re capable of handling and processing multiple thoughts at the same time..?

        • SpideySenser

          Yes. Getting fucking insulted by these folks (media, this means you) having the gaul to assume I’m stupid.

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        They just make me think that person should be writing on the topic they think deserves our focus or they’re just another part of the problem they’re complaining about.

      • OddMan

        But think of all the ‘nothingburgers’ that we will ‘not’ get to ‘not eat’ or what ever it is one does with a ‘nothingburger’
        Another person who has had enough of these damn burgers.

    • SadDemInTex

      Thank you. Can we please concentrate on the ongoing shit show!

    • Shoto

      Yup. Let’s can the stupid infighting and focus on the Dampnut Problem.

  • schmannity

    Ileana Gross Lehtinen (R. FL) announced in the Herald that she will not support the House version.

    • cmd resistor

      That’s pretty amazing. “After studying the impact of this proposed legislation on my district and speaking with many of my constituents, I have decided to vote no on the bill as currently written,” she said in a statement to the Miami Herald. “The bill’s consequences for South Florida are clear: too many of my constituents will lose insurance and there will be less funds to help the poor and elderly with their healthcare.”
      Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article138477168.html#storylink=cpy
      ETA: Rubio is, of course, still “reading'” it so hasn’t made up his mind (as to which way the wind is blowing) yet.
      I find it encouraging that a republican actually said she was basing her vote on discussions with constituents.

      • schmannity

        Hey man, I’m not a scientist or principled legislator.

  • Undocumented Skwerl!

    Release the pee hookers!

    • persistently_resistant_gayby

      They may come streamin’ out…

      • IdRatherBeDancing

        By streaming video

    • ariel_gee_398

      We’ve heard about the mysterious Russian diplomat deaths, has there been a spate of sex worker killings in Russia lately, too?

  • Marceline

    One of the problems is that a lot of progressives seem to think this is an episode of The West Wing and that there’s going to be some giant smoking gun that gets dropped in the third act. Getting rid of this monster and his cabal is going to be a long painstaking process that will rely more on legal loopholes and combing through data and not online petitions to RESIST! EVERYTHING!

    • Proud Liberal

      When our elected officials won’t do anything, I’m not sure what the people can do except RESIST EVERYTHING!

      • Marceline

        I reject the argument that our elected officials aren’t doing anything. A cursory bit of observation shows that’s simply not true.

        • Proud Liberal

          Please tell me what they are doing? I don’t see any concrete action on anything.

          • YoBunnyBunny

            I don’t think it’s a matter of “Nobody is doing anything/Everybody is doing nothing.” I would suggest the ones in the majority (GOP) are happily doing jack shit and/or doing their damnedest to throw a wet blanket on anything that could implicate Trump and his ilk in whatever nefarious schemes he’s got going on.

          • Marceline

            Sherrod Brown gave a speech outlining an agenda for the working class.

            http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/03/ohio-sen-sherrod-browns-economic-plan-blueprint-democrats/98682976/

            Kirsten Gillibrand introduced a bill to extend family leave.

            Remember when Democrats brought immigrants to Trump’s speech?

            Numerous of my elected officials had town halls which of course means nothing to you but if you look locally you might find that some of yours did too.

            Really if you aren’t seeing what the Dems are doing then you just aren’t looking.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      It’s not like that hope for a smoking gun came out of nowhere, tho. When you lead with “We’ve got Trump tax returns.” people expect, well, that. Not a singular one, not a part of a singular one, not a part of a singular one from 12 years ago. It’s pretty reasonable for people to act like they just got blue-balled, because they just got blue-balled.

      • Marceline

        It’s easy to get blue-balled when your expectations are unrealistic.

      • Toomush_Inferesistance

        We do need to see his real tax returns. If this ramps that up, then good…

        • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

          I know that. But I also know that if I announce, dramatically, in court “We’ve got the murderer’s gun!!!

          registration number.” Then some people might be annoyed with me.

    • Gayer Than Thou

      I think this is an excellent point: it’s going to be piecemeal and procedural, and in that sense “unsatisfying.” And also quite likely controversial and unconvincing for his supporters. We’ll need to prepare ourselves for all of that.

      • Vincent Ricola

        Trump and his monsters are banking on us getting bogged down in detail and eventually tuning out because “gah, boring financial stuff, zzzzzzz, wake me up when there’s a sex tape.”

        It’s actually pretty insulting that they think we’re all a bunch of idiots with zero attention spans and an inability to parse through details.

      • Marceline

        This is a thing I’m pushing back against in my personal activism. I’m not doing a lot of marching or protesting because I find that too many progressives are enamored with the theatre of activism. I’m focusing on downballot races like the House elections in GA and MT. And keeping an eye on my statehouse as we get ready for a governors race. Plus I’m getting involved in the Sister District Project. (https://www.sisterdistrict.com/)

        I’m just not here for progressives who are drama junkies. Give me the wonks.

        • Gayer Than Thou

          I also signed up for Sister District (and Swing Left), and for the same reasons. Twitler is a disaster, and I can’t wait to see the end of him. But had Hillary been elected, she’d likely have had essentially the same Congress and the same political landscape in statehouses and governors’ mansions. I am repeating back to you your basic point as a way of agreeing that where our real fight needs to be. Republicans have real structural advantages and a solid pipeline of candidates. Which is why they can elect a complete buffoon as president: he’s irrelevant if they control everything else.

        • Lamashtar

          While the online drama is certainly useless, some of the RL drama stresses the politicians and gets the media interested. The pressure helps the rightwing defections. Part of the reason the GOP doesn’t stand up to Trump is because they feel their base won’t let them. And that is where the online progressives can actually do something. Pushing back at the hordes that try to drown all other viewpoints out in online spaces.

    • Thiazin Red

      Watergate took years to fully come out, so this could take a while.

      • cmd resistor

        John Dean has been writing some interesting stuff comparing the way that all went down, etc.

    • YoBunnyBunny

      Also too: even if we do get a smoking gun, it’s not like the ones with the power to impeach his ass (read: GOP congresss critters) are going to do jack shit.

      See, “Grab ’em by the pussy” tape. We can catch his ass in flagrante delicto with Putin and a small whorehouse of pee hookers and duffel bags of dirty money, and the GOP will simply just attack the media for pushing such a scandalous narrative!!!!!!1!!111!

    • Lefty Frizzell

      I didn’t, until Rachel told me there was.

  • Sedagive ’em Hell

    Rachel Maddow is (and always has been) one of the smartest people in the room. She’s a hyper-geek/nerd/wonk who is very, very good at connecting the dots. There’s no way she’d say “Well golly gee whiz, let’s run with nothing!”

    She’s also the host of a nightly TeeVee program with her name on it, and she has corporate interests to answer to; marketing would have wanted to hype this to the skies. I can see her being all “Actually, this particular thing isn’t all that interesting” to which the suits would have been all “Yeah, but we want those eyeballs!”

    I gave up TV news years ago and I don’t miss it one bit. Fuck the hype, fuck the knee-jerk bloviating, fuck the chyrons. I wait for at least a bit of coherent analysis before clicking on anything these days. I like my panic to be well-considered.

  • Lefty Frizzell

    I like Maddow a lot, but somebody tweeted that they’d “seriously” “got Trump tax returns” and that was kind of a lie because they’d got a tiny fraction of one return. And it was a cruel, cruel lie, for the purpose of ratings, so now I like here a fair bit less. Unashamedly so. It was a punk move.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a6a5d81ebd9bcc83cef65a1b9835048307a85ea823a5e5444ecf7eba23b88fb1.jpg

    • persistently_resistant_gayby

      That was a bad move, Rachel. If you’d just prefixed tax returns with “2005”, people wouldn’t have been so mad…

    • wide_stance_hubby

      OK, this is all I’ll say: the period belongs inside the paren. End of rant.

      • proudgrampa

        Uh. Actually, the science isn’t in on that, yet.

        Cheers!

      • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

        Except when it doesn’t…

  • Martini Ambassador

    Don’t get me wrong, it would have been delicious if Rachel had the smoking gun that brought the orange menace down in one swift kick to the crotch, but I think it’s unrealistic to expect such things will happen. We are witnessing a slow drip, and the noose tightens just a little bit more as we learn about the mob connections, perjury, foreign entanglements, etc. It’s complicated and it’s not going to be uncovered all at once, but we do learn more as time goes on. He will eventually be brought down. I am patient and I am resolute in my resistance.

  • Shibusa

    Maybe the media should start wondering aloud if that is a fake tax return.

  • BadKitty904

    OT: And now for something completely different…

    The Internet Can’t Stop Laughing About Kellyanne Conway’s Glam Shot
    Channeling Joan Callamezzo, Kellyanne?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kellyanne-conway-glam-shot-living-room_us_58c80dece4b0428c7f135ad0?

    • Antonin Dvorak

      And our own Robyn is quoted!

      • BadKitty904

        Woot! The Wonketteriat Is Everywhere!

        • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

          “Wonkette is all things…”

          • BadKitty904

            Changing, yet changeless…

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      Was it a canned glam?

      • eggsacklywright

        You Munster!

    • Thiazin Red

      There used to be a Glamour Shots in the mall near where I grew up. My mom and aunt did it once, and the pictures are still the ones my grandma has on the family portraits wall. They’re amazing in their 80s glory.

      • BadKitty904

        They’re a coffee-table book waiting to happen.

        • Thiazin Red

          There was a thing a while ago where you google your name and glamour shots and post the first picture that comes up. It was pretty good.

          And I would buy that book.

  • Alan

    It wasn’t the first two pages of his 1040, it was his 1040. The form is only 2 pages long. Sorry for nitpicking.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      The real information is in the schedules. 38 million might sound like a lot- but unless we know what his itemized deductions and expenses were, a 1040 doesn’t tell us much. I really think this was leaked by someone in his administration, maybe without his knowledge

      • Alan

        “Might sound like a lot”. As I always tell my students, there’s no such thing as a big number or small number.

  • Hobbes’ Evil Twin

    I think this is the first time I have ever felt respect for Joe Scarborough. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b681ead02b728705bd7df984ba25c02f62ce9abaf842e83ba831d88fecfaf44d.png

    • BadKitty904

      Huh. Who’da thunk it?

    • persistently_resistant_gayby

      I wish all the badassery happened BEFORE THIS ELECTION (MY GOD IS THIS REALITY END IT NOW PLEASE)

      • Msgr_MΩment

        Nope. Still fantasy. Now dig yourself out of that landslide.

    • OrG

      “Dumb thug routine” Thanks joe,I think I’ll keep that one.

  • fawkedifiknow

    Am I the only one to connect the dots? The tax return is for 2005 and the Pussy
    Grabbing tape happened in 2005. Coincidence? I think not.

  • beavertank

    I feel like the Trump camp almost certainly leaked the return themselves. The fact that it’s just the 1040, and from a specific random year more than a decade ago, makes me think it was planned.

    Especially because now all the awful Trumps are gloating like shit eating bastards about “oh look, he paid taxes”!

    Congratulations, you useless excuses for human beings, he did a thing that’s expected of him that he was legally required to do. That shouldn’t be a cause for celebration.

    • BadKitty904

      Plus the timing is WAAAAAAAAAAY too suspicious.

      • Toomush_Inferesistance

        Plus the response was way too prepared…

        • BadKitty904

          Way. Esp. Uday or Ixnay or Whateverthefuckhisnameis’ squealing like a giddy schoolgirl about Daddy’s business incompetence like two minutes after the release…

          • Toomush_Inferesistance

            I thought the “official” response was way too well crafted for anything that normally comes out of their mouths…

          • BadKitty904

            It was spelled correctly, it didn’t blame the leak on household appliances, etc.

      • beavertank

        Although to be fair, the timing will always be suspicious with Trump.

        There will always be something awful he’s doing that roughly coincides with interesting news about how he’s garbage. At some point it stops being suspicious timing and simply becomes “it’s a day ending in Y so he’s doing something awful”.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Especially his vile namesake, who should be in the tumbrel right after Donald’s when the final reconciliation takes place.

      • beavertank

        Among the mindless jerks who will be first against the wall when the revolution comes, he’s the firstest.

        • MamaBrown

          Even before the Marketing department of Sirius Cybernetics corporation? think you better slow your roll!

  • Mack N. Nietzsche

    Wow, the reactions to this story have been extravagant, to say the least. Either it’s “Burn! We’ve got you now Head Pirate!” or it’s “Burn! We’ve got you now, Maddow!” It is almost as if everyone needed a cathartic release from the stress of worrying about what cliffside of the Executive Branch was going to fall this time. (BTW–I think the Head Pirate leaked his own returns because he’s trying to distract from his EO sending much of the Executive Branch into oblivion.)

  • vexati0n

    Thanks to this non-event, every single question ever asked from now on about Trump’s missing tax returns will be laughed right out of the room by pointing to Maddow’s embarrassing “scoop” on two pages of a tax return from over a decade ago that don’t even hint at anything scandalous. By clickbaiting her way to the top of the news cycle and then delivering this useless nonsense, Rachel Maddow has effectively gutted the entire subject of Trump’s taxes, given the administration something to point and laugh at, and made the resistance look like utter fools in the process.

    Clearly she thought the 1040 was news, but the bigger story was the laughable desperation of the Left, pouncing on a document that was probably intentionally “leaked” just to set this very trap Progressives fell into.

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      Okay, troll -have it your way….

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      Because we were getting so much traction on the taxes before last night.

    • beavertank

      Yeah, I don’t think so.

      The return didn’t say much, but it’s precisely because of that that the returns are still an open question that people are justifiably interested in.

      The return wasn’t totally useless, though. It did point out the ongoing massive losses he was carrying forward, and made it obvious that the alternative minimum tax is still a necessity.

    • Hobbes’ Evil Twin
    • Alan

      What “trap”.

    • ZangoCrudmonger

      Nah, we won’t let it die, any of these little drips coming out are going to noted, filed, shouted and repeated infinity +1.

      It is news, look, if he can handle one year being shown, why not all?

      Anyways, Evan’s response is correct,

      “As far as what this leads to, we don’t
      know! Rachel Maddow is very, very correct when she says that the more of
      this tax stuff that comes out, the more damning it’s likely to be for
      Trump.”

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance
    • Villago Delenda Est

      You don’t use your brain often, do you? It shows with this post.

    • proudgrampa

      Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit!

      You, sir, are A Idiot.

    • OrG

      If by “desperation” you mean that we are desperate to stop our nation and the world becoming a fascist wasteland,then okay we’re desperate.

    • TJ Barke
      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        Zounds!

    • persistently_resistant_gayby

      Lemme show you the door …

      • vexati0n

        So the response isn’t “let me show you how you’re wrong,” but “I don’t like what you’re saying, so leave.” Sounds a whole lot like “love it or leave it” to me. What exactly separates you from the Teabillies, again?

        • Toomush_Inferesistance

          Did you not see the door? Gayby pointed it out….

          • persistently_resistant_gayby

            I mean, it has the MAGA neon sign..

        • persistently_resistant_gayby

          So, your face-saving argument is “I didn’t read the article enough to understand it – but let me proceed to call the Left goobers”.

          Sure.

          P.S – Nice try with the Teabillies.

          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            I read his comment history, and either this is one of the odder trolls I’ve ever seen or a very wayward CNN commenter with a fascination with Ubuntu.

          • persistently_resistant_gayby

            You’re right – what a weird commenter…

        • Lefty Frizzell

          The pursuit of an equitable secular society is probably a decent place to start.

        • MissNomer

          Sweetie, why would we waste our time pointing out how you’re wrong? It’s glaringly evident to sentient beings, but you’d never see it no matter how much we dumbed it down.

          BTW, only ONE person politely offered to show you out. Most of us would like you to stay and continue being ridiculous so we can mock you.

    • Pinkham’s Law

      Riiiiight. Except that nearly her entire show was, “ok, this is interesting, but it tells us little of what we need to know. We need more info, and here’s why: blahblahblah.”

    • Lefty Frizzell

      I think that’s a tad overstated. Indeed, like the show. The case still very much remains, and anybody who’s not a complete cock knows that.

    • Liberoid Ron

      My, oh my, oh my. One would think that you’re the mastermind* behind the story, by the way you’re gloating. How unfortunate for you that you’re the only one who thinks you’re clever.
      Bye, Felicia.

      * for a VERY small value of both ‘master’ and ‘mind’

    • MissNomer

      What an amazing fantasy scenario! You should write a screenplay.

  • MynameisBlarney
    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      And comes in convenient yellow.

    • wide_stance_hubby

      Are they real ponchos or Sears?

      • msanthropesmr

        No fooling?

      • Patrick Kennedy

        Who you foolin’ with that cosmic debris?

      • The Wanderer

        Is it made from the Oil of Aphrodite, and the Dust of the Grand Wazoo?

      • Msgr_MΩment

        Now with zircon encrusting!

    • Undocumented Skwerl!

      Rule 34: Rain poncho

    • Thiazin Red

      Some poor bored stock person had a lot of fun that shift.

    • NastyBossetti

      I tried it. It doesn’t work.

  • Chadwells

    Very little de be revealed from 1040 of taxes released 12 years ago…just saying. What IS important…and really the only takeaway is the Dampnut AMT position. Maddow was completely successful in fucking up Dampnuts attempt to abolish that law. IMHMFO!!! Don’t yell at me!!!

  • MAZS

    The penultimate Maddow show. Drag out a decent story until it becomes tedious. And, of course, explaining it like she is talking to kindergarteners. {great panelist; boring host]

    • mfp

      well, let’s face it…in order to gain interest from a wider audience for what could be merely the simple beginnings of a deeper and more complicated issue–to ‘splain things like one is talking to kindergarteners’, one does well to remember that many of one’s wider, casual (not core) audience requires kindergarten-level words

      • MAZS

        then she is choosing that audience over me and others who do…….read

        • MissNomer

          She is reaching the widest audience. You don’t have to watch.

          • MAZS

            and I don’t often–but you apparently missed the part of how I otherwise like Rachel–but then again I aint a groupie. And source please on the “widest audience” claim.

    • writersbloc

      Never watched her much until I started clicking on links here- she does drag things out a tad. Like the Azerbaijan story didn’t need 10 minutes of Bechtel, bridge in Minnesota(?) backstory.

    • Mpeg

      Since I don’t watch cable, viewing last night’s episode I can agree her schtick seemed somewhat pedantic.. I decided to reserve judgment until I see more of her shows. But I don’t agree the panelist/ guest author/ analyst was that great.

      • MAZS

        my bad–I meant Maddow (not Johnson) is a great guest in other forums

    • MissNomer

      “Penultimate” means “next to last.” Rachel’s not going anywhere, hon.

      She has to explain it as though she were talking to kindergartners. Trump voters watch her show too.

      • MAZS

        was there one true thing you said

  • proudgrampa

    “At the same time, we have a lot of shit on our plate to focus on right now…”

    FOCUS! FOCUS! FOCUS!

    • Stulexington

      I’m actually of the opposite mindset: multitask multitask multitask!

  • Yeah I don’t get it. She’s doing a fcking amazing job!

  • artem1s

    first, all these assholes criticizing Maddow need to remember how Dan Rather lost his job. These 2 pages were going to become public. They were leaked to a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist. He chose to pass them on to MSNBC. Maddow reported on what they were, where they came from and nothing else. This is actually pretty smart. Very little speculation about what these particular 2 pages mean. Lots of ‘let’s see more, cause that might tell us something’.

    If the leak was on purpose to distract from ACA repeal, who cares? It won’t work. the ACA disaster is going to take months to unravel. This would be a huge blunder if this is the reason because the Russian thing ain’t going away and this just keeps that in the news cycle.

    If the leak was to discredit the media some more… that might work if you get a bunch of jealous prima donna hairpieces to pile on the messenger. They’ve got the documents now, why aren’t they putting in their 2 cents and moving on if they believe it’s a distraction? The rest of the MSM needs to quit whinging and start doing their own homework.

    If the leak was to take down Maddow – so MSNBC fires her for using forged documents; so she gets distracted from Russia; to pressure her to let go of the Russia stuff? again, who cares. The first twit was to attack MSNBC and Maddow and accuse her of a crime (sound like any other accusation Twittler has made lately?). That went over like a lead balloon. the next set of twits was to call the whole thing fake news. So are the documents fake or the conclusions fake? Does Twittler even know what he means by this? It’s not illegal to show them on TV. Unless you haven’t covered your bases and revealed the source and why they are believed credible.

    This is not the reaction of someone who is playing 10 dimensional chess. It’s a rage tweet over shit he can’t control. No way Twittler released this stuff voluntarily. They either have (another) leak where they thought they plugged the dam. Or the IC is trickling out more info to keep the investigation(s) alive.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      1040s are just not that revealing of much, aside from how much income was claimed and how much tax was paid. The serious dirt is in all the schedules.

    • dlemex

      My guess is Uday released them, especially with his gloating twits. I do think Racheal explaining why releasing them is important was useful.

    • Rags

      Maybe Rachel would like her next job to be at a mommyblog?

  • cheetojeebus

    FYI Devin Nunes, fucking sod shiner political hack mother fucker. That is all.

    • Bill D. Burger

      He and Jason “YesMyFaceIsMelting” Chaffetz are struggling hard for that title! Very close race.

  • Chadwells

    Also…it seems to me that the White trash House is honing their skills on manipulating the media. I’m very suspicious of this “leak”….it has, temporarily or not, distracted everyone from the Russia/healthcare issues. Seems like a cherry picked tax leak too.

    Maybe I’m just extra suspicious with these clowns…justly so, I reckon.

  • ken_kukec

    “… did Donald Trump leak his own taxes like a common Russian pee hooker?”

    Ask yourself the question the original Latinates asked: “Quif Boner?

  • TJ Barke

    She should have just sat on it. Doing things in dribs and drabs don’t fly well in this age of short attention spans.

    • Pinkham’s Law

      Dribs and drabs – that weren’t even true – killed Hillary’s campaign. Dribs and drabs that ARE true? Yeah, that’s not good for Trump & Co.

      • shivaskeeper

        Yes.

      • TJ Barke

        And a million other dribs and drabs didn’t sink Fanta Hitler’s campaign…

        • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

          True. But now the fucker is the leader of the Free World. During the campaign we could believe in unicorns and he would not be president. I’m hoping there exists a critical mass of bipartisan expectations for more accountability now.

      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        Yeeeaaahh, but that was during the election when we were all at a fever pitch and opinion polls meant something. We’re 20 months out from the next election, so it has to be an actual story or it’ll be forgotten in a month.

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      Like anyone could have sat on the one piece of tax return news that the left has been clamoring for for the last year and all trump’s Republican rivals for a year before that?…

    • Serai 1

      So someone else could run with it? No, she did right. We’re all thinking about the tax returns again, aren’t we? When was the last time you did that?

  • More people in the 20-55 demographic are watching Rachel during the 9pm hour than watch Fox news, CNN, or the networks.

    This is very good news, people…..

    • BadKitty904

      Didn’t someone say that more people watched Maddow last night than attended Trump’s coronation?

      • Oblios_Cap

        Lots of people are saying that.

        • BadKitty904

          Good. Nothing will irritate the Traitor-in-Chief more…

  • Sardonicuss

    Why is this even a thing? (Rachael bashing)
    Rachael’s ratings have been on an upward trajectory for a while now. The health care clusterfuck was becoming a rolling dumpster fire consuming the news cycle.
    Bannon responded in the way they have been doing all along…what a shocker?!
    Remember thousands of years ago (last Friday?) when we found out Sessions had talked to the Russians..a lot?
    ….and by Sunday morning it was “Tapp tweets!!!” 24/7.
    As somebody called “deep throat” once said: Look at the big picture.

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg
    • persistently_resistant_gayby

      I’m holding all the sighing (out of relief) until all the results are declared… Thanks..

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Oh so do I. It’s the small things that make me laugh right now though. This was spotted on a sort of thrift shop that takes in second hand articles and then distributes it to the needy for free:

        If you voted PVV we would like to ask you to go away, head home and hang your head in shame.

        https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C698kp5WYAI3yhv.jpg:large

        • persistently_resistant_gayby

          Oh, that is horrifyingly wonderful!

        • OrG

          Reminds me of when I was in Amsterdam and saw a sign that said “Please don’t puke in our doorway.” It was in English.

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            Damn NIMBY’s

    • BadKitty904

      Fingers crossed

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      I’m going to need more Heineken to translate.

      • Toomush_Inferesistance

        I gotta quit reading so fast – I thought you said Heinlein….

        • BadKitty904

          Though that would be pretty interesting.

    • Charon_69

      whatever the results, 80% turnout is fantastic! just imagine how different the outcomes might be in the US with such numbers

      • BadKitty904

        The GOP would’ve virtually ceased to exist.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Yup, just read that the turnout in US elections was only 58%. What the actual fuck?

  • shivaskeeper

    I touched on this in a comment the other week. There is not going to be a big reveal that brings the whole house down. This won’t happen in real time. This isn’t a TV show where the case is solved after the last commercial or a movie where the hero wins in the last reel. This will be done by patient work a piece here, another piece there until there is enough to build a coherent picture.

    Every I needs to be dotted, every T needs to be crosses. None of this can be half done or sloppy.

    • BadKitty904

      Look, if you’re going to be sensible about all this…

      • shivaskeeper

        Reality based and all that. I know. I;m not wearing pants yet this morning so it’s all good.

        • BadKitty904

          Given the current political climate, it’s kinda nice to see the “rational” take on things from time to time. As much as I enjoy the occasional pitchfork-and-torches freekout, your more “adult” approach certainly helps calm my lil’ butt down.

          • shivaskeeper

            It’s the nature of all investigative work. It takes time.

          • BadKitty904

            You mean it doesn’t take 30 minutes, with three commercial breaks?!?1?

          • shivaskeeper

            True story:

            The son of a friend of mine went to school for forensics because he was hooked on CSI and thought it be the coolest job ever. He dropped out of the school when he found out how utterly boring it can be with no commercial breaks and dramatic music.

          • BadKitty904

            The GOP is counting on America’s short attention span to consolidate their coup.

    • Serai 1

      It’s disheartening how even people who consider themselves rational and sensible fall prey to TV-show syndrome, isn’t it?

      • shivaskeeper

        It’s not TV show syndrome per se. It’s a just a lack of relevant experience in any given field. Or a different experience than what we are now seeing. Movies, TV, and other fiction work the way they do because they are written to work.

        Real life tends to be slow and boring. Sources have to be cultivated and vetted. Information acquired has to be corroborated. There is a reason investigations into something as pressing and immediate as human trafficking can take years. It’s not lack of interest on the part of the investigators, it’s making sure it’s all done right and more importantly done legally so charges can stick.

        Unvetted, uncorroborated sources lead to Curveball, yellow cake, and an invasion.

  • No evidence of “wire tapp” according to Schiff and Nunes live conference.

    • Thiazin Red

      Thats okay because Spicer said Trump didn’t really mean the thing he said multiple times, and who are you going to believe Spicer or your stupid eyes?

      • OrG

        I’m going with stupid eyes.

        • Thiazin Red

          Your eyes only see fake news!

      • Villago Delenda Est

        I won’t believe Sphincter, that poor Michelle McCarthy impersonator.

        • MissNomer

          *Melissa

  • memzilla Ω
  • marxalot

    I set down the internet last night to go do Other Stuff (like walk the dog), and when I checked it right before bed, the Maddow kerfuffle had ebbed and we were on to Steve King talking about a race war between “blacks and Mexicans.” Living on the west edge is a different experience of time.

  • WiscoJoe

    Twitter is dumb. I was luckily in a meeting last night when this whole “OMG RACHEL OUR SAVIOR IS GOING TO DESTROY TRUMP NO WAIT RACHEL IS DISAPPOINTING US AND THIS IS WHY LIBERALISM HAS FAILED FOR ALL TIME” shit storm was going on.

    You know how I experienced it as a normal person not obsessed with “optics” and “winning the news cycle” and finding that “one weird trick to bring down a presidency”? I was like, oh, Rachel has a few pages of Trump’s tax returns from 2005 and I wonder what that could possibly lead to maybe sometime in the future and that’s kind of interesting as far as cable news bombshells go, oh and lets go back to the Trumpcare fiasco.

    Seriously, Twidiots. Keep your shit together. I know the clickbait drama has become your raison d’etre, but it’s ridiculous to anyone not already mainlining that shit. If you ain’t carefuly y’all will end up strung-out on cable news Twitter outrage like a common Trump.

    • Jenny

      But it is so much easier to scream!

      • WiscoJoe

        I appreciate a primal scream as much as anyone. That’s why I like to go on Twitter and be like “BATMAN IS BETTER THAN WOLVERINE AND CAPTAIN AMERICA IS LAME AND SUPERMAN IS CAPABLE OF COMPLEX CHARACTERIZATION WITH THE RIGHT AUTHOR BEHIND HIM. SUCK IT HATERS.” But, like, I realize it’s all just entertainment and I don’t expect anyone to take it seriously, and it certainly isn’t the basis of my entire worldview, like a common Trump.

        • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

          I agree with you on points 1 and 3 there. But Captain America is not lame. :P

          • WiscoJoe

            NO! YOUR WRONG AND I RULEZ AND SHUT UP THATS WHY!

        • Jenny

          I DONT KNOW WHAT WE ARE YELLING ABOUT!

          • WiscoJoe

            Forget it, Jake. It’s Twitter.

          • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

            Nerd stuff. You know, the usual.

        • I WILL NOT ABIDE YOUR BLATANT DC FANBOYISM! MARVEL IS THE SUPERIOR PRODUCT!

          • WiscoJoe

            SUCK IT DIZNEY MARVELTARD! (Am I doing this right?)

          • Marvel is superior film product. DC wins TV

          • If you include Netflix, I respectfully disagree. Actually, even if you don’t, Agents of SHIELD > Arrow, Supergirl or Flash…

            DC rules with the Direct to DVD animated shit though, the only Marvel one of those that isn’t terrible is Planet Hulk, but there are SO MANY good DC ones.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Assumes that they have any ability at all to keep their shit together, which is iffy at best.

    • timpundit

      Exactly. I’ve given up watching cable news, so I didn’t even know about any of this until this morning. From the headlines and twits and re-twits I thought Maddow was about to get fired for something. Yeesh.

    • MamaBrown

      Can’t we just have a nice family dinner for once?!?

    • Serai 1

      Some tweets are fun to read, but you’d have to pay me a LOT of money to engage with that site. It’s one of the worst ideas to come along in a LONG time.

  • timpundit

    Call me a starry eyed optimist with a killer body and handsome good looks if you must, but I don’t think his distractions are having the same effect as they once did. You can only be caught distracting so many times before it’;s expected and therefore, not a distraction anymore.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      He continually creates chaos, which his his default mode. He has no filters, and at his age, he’s not going to develop them. The ongoing chaos is bad for governing,(if the Republicans were actually doing any) but it will slow down their agenda.

    • Serai 1

      Thus the progressively more desperate tone of the distractions.

  • cosmiccowgirl

    The left’s use of “distraction” is getting to be as idiotic as the right’s use of “fake news.” Just because it’s not the story you want to be talking about doesn’t mean it’s not important, and just because the tax return doesn’t say what you want it to say doesn’t mean it’s not newsworthy.

    • TJ Barke

      What do you think “the left” is?

      • Lefty Frizzell

        It’s got to be “anybody claiming that the two page tax return fragment is a distraction while really believing it isn’t. As a distraction.” Right?

    • Sedagive ’em Hell

      I agree: every time there’s some deviation from the narrative (which is confusing enough) it’s a clever ruse by the White House to distract from the real story (which is everything these days).

      They’re clearly not that organized, and people are just driving themselves further into Paranoiaville than they need to go.

    • Darrell Imaginarian

      I wouldn’t be so suspicious if the two pages weren’t stamped “CLIENT COPY”. The client is Donald Trump. Doesn’t that look like a distraction to you?

    • Tacoclamgenda

      Well put.

    • Serai 1
  • memzilla Ω
  • Persistent Tennessee Rain

    None of this negates the fact that Prez Pussgrab promised to release his tax returns if elected. And, also too, it certainly disproves KaC’s statement that no one is interested in his tax returns.

  • Clyde Barrow

    Yeah yeah, when can we see his long form tax returns, preferably in the original Russian?

  • Michael R

    Samantha Bee described what happened to the conservative party this week
    and I took time out of my busy day to condense it into on simple image just for you :

    https://s16.postimg.org/f0e7prh6t/platyfrankenpus_ALL.jpg

    • NastyBossetti

      That multi-headed turd beast was SO GROSS, with the noises and everything!

      • Michael R

        Yes I hope everyone tracks down the original show

    • Serai 1

      Has Sam’s show changed its time slot?

  • The Librarian

    Ok, so Trump paid some taxes in 2005, that was 12 years ago. What’s he been doing since? It’s not like he’ll let us see more current ones, perhaps showing all the Russian connections. #Distraction #fromthe #realshit #goingdown.

    • Sardonicuss

      Who even thinks they are real?
      Releasing fake or forged tax returns would be criminal…but if they were (gasp!) leaked?
      That fucker hasn’t paid taxes in 30 years.

      • Serai 1

        Because it would be EXTREMELY EASY to verify them. Just ask the IRS.

      • The Librarian

        Nothing would surprise or shock me at this point. Pissing me off is a different story.

  • Jenny

    I still think Rachel needs to make alternative youtube videos to reach the conspiracy minded people who also happen to vote what the box tells them.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/841966077005463553
    Nobody ever heard of Woodward and Bernstein, either, until…….

    • Finnabar87

      But Trump the Idiot knows Johnson, oddly enough.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        Sure. But unlike his fans Trump obsessively reads the Times.

    • BadKitty904

      We aren’t taking your bait, Sniffles…

      • He’d tell us the sniffles are a side effect of the medicine he’s on but then we’d learn the other side effects of that medicine are a dead libido and flaccid dick. He’d rather people thought he was still doing coke.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      When all else fails, attack their popularity.

      Dude really is a high school girl in a fat old man’s body, complete with shitty tan.

      • Msgr_MΩment

        Heather to the Chief.

    • Serai 1

      WOW! No, Donnie, we don’t! We also didn’t realize that health insurance was complicated! YOU ARE SO WISE!!!

  • cmd resistor

    OT: Two federal courts will hold hearings today on the revised travel ban (Maryland, Hawaii). Also, too, the “so-called judge” Robart has a hearing set at 5 pm on a DIFFERENT Washington case brought by 4 citizens and families abroad claiming that the new ban will disrupt their access to visas. Judge Robart had asked the DOJ to respond to the Washington AG’s motion by yesterday afternoon but I can’t find where they did. Not clear if he plans a hearing on that case. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-travel-ban-judge-236062

    • Villago Delenda Est

      DoJ is busy derailing investigations in to Donald’s shadier dealings. Which is all of them.

  • Liberoid Ron

    Is anyone else succumbing to fatigue?

    • Jenny

      NO

    • Finnabar87

      I used to be disgusted, sure.

      • MamaBrown

        now I try to be amused.

        • Finnabar87

          Still can’t keep hold of my red shoes, though.

          Freaking angels.

    • Chadwells
    • timpundit

      Quite the opposite, actually.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      No, not really. I will enjoy very much the lamentations of Donald’s women when all this winds up, though.

    • BadKitty904

      Nope. Not until these traitors are imprisoned or have fled the country.

    • ZangoCrudmonger

      NYET!!!!

    • wide_stance_hubby

      I believe I have passed through the entire fatigue realm and find myself on the other end of it most days, not sure where I am or how I got here.

    • Serai 1

      I’m beginning to realize that reading political news is making my body react badly. There’s a possibility I may have to stop, which I wouldn’t be very happy about.

  • M.E. Lawrence

    You know you are desperate for ratings when you send out senseless tweets before dawn.

    • timpundit

      She isn’t “desperate” for ratings.

      • TJ Barke

        Talking bout Donnie.

      • Serai 1

        You’ve never worked in television, have you?

        • timpundit
          • Serai 1

            I have worked in television. Honey, EVERYONE is desperate for ratings, all the time. Being on top today is no guarantee that you’ll be on top tomorrow. That’s a given and it’s understood in the entertainment industry, which is why reading the trades won’t tell you much in that vein, since everyone already knows the drill. (Trade journals are for people in that particular trade, which is why the HR still uses all those silly expressions and space-saving headline oddnesses you never see anywhere else.)

          • timpundit

            I don’t know why you are telling me all this, but thanks I guess.

          • Serai 1

            Because you seem to think that reading the HR is going to keep you informed of what’s up in the industry. I’m pointing out it’s not informing you as much as you think.

          • timpundit

            Oh ok, thanks I guess.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      EVERYONE on the teevee is desperate for ratings, all the time, every day. This is how they make their money. And making money is what it is all about, always. There is no higher purpose that that in our media. Art? Truth? PUH-LEEEEZE!

      • Serai 1

        That’s why it’s important to question the people you agree with as well as the people you don’t. They’re ALL clawing desperately for our attention, which means we have to be careful about everything they say.

  • Darrell Imaginarian

    If she said… “We have two pages of Donald Trump’s tax returns from 2005.”. Well that’s accurate. As it is I flipped it on halfway through and then flipped it off after a few minutes because it didn’t seem like there was anything important to say.

  • Finnabar87

    Fuck that rodent mouth wonder, Trump jizz what lived, whichever creepy son it is.

    The entire Trump family, corrupt as fuck.

  • Rick Hill

    If trump leaked them or whoever, who knows these are the returns he actually filed? The WH reaction last night seemed to be that they thought it would be worse than it was.

    • Finnabar87

      The deflection demanded a strong reaction.

      • Rick Hill

        Maybe they thought it would also incude his Sched C and the itemizations

    • Sardonicuss

      They aren’t real.
      Can’t you just see them rubbing their tiny hands together: “We can leak these two fake pages, that show you paying a ton of money in taxes….and pretend to be outraged! When we know you haven’t paid taxes since Studio 54 was a thing!
      Diabolical!

      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        I figger that if they really were leaked, then the pages are real; they’re just the most innocuous, “look how squeaky clean I am” pages they could find. I don’t think they expected everyone to catch on so quickly that this was a con job, tho.

        • Sardonicuss

          If they were real, the could have leaked them to more “friendly” press. They were designed to make Maddow look bad, and Drup look good.
          What are the repercussions for them if they are fake? Nothing. If they are real, even if leaked and only two pages …people might start to make a big deal out of pursuing the rest of the return.

          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            Yeah, but if they were fake/leaked to friendly press they’d probably be more complete, we’d instantly disbelieve them, AND demand more. This way, Tru… well, Bannon hoped that the idiots could now say “Look, he’s released his taxes now! See? SEE?!?”

            What makes me think they’re real, above all, was the fact that in all of the taxes he’s ever paid, he could only find two clean pages.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        They’re real, but they don’t tell us very much. No indications of where bodies are buried. To get that, you need a shitload of schedules where the real information lies.

        A 1040 doesn’t tell you where the income came from, or who he owes money to, or what he claimed as losses.

  • Chadwells
    • Michael R
    • The Wanderer

      Puff, puff, pass!

    • ZangoCrudmonger

      So, I heard you’re not keen on Rachel’s delivery?

      Heh…….we’re all a bit testy.

      Grrrrrr. Anyways, I didn’t watch it at all, so I have no reference other than to say it sounds like her style, lots of prep work before the dish is served. I’m ok with that, it isn’t a paper with an abstract, it’s tv news.

      • Chadwells

        LOL!! Yeah…I made the mistake of saying something! I’ve worked in TV for a long time…and I disagree with how the producer or Maddow decided to reveal the document. I’m not a regular viewer of her show, not for any particular reason…I just steer clear of all TV news. I have been informed repeatedly that this is just her style…my bad!! I do enjoy her and find her interesting tho!

        Meh…can’t make everyone happy.

  • Mehmeisterjr

    (Dildo Jr. was also retweeting people like Mike Cernovich and Mike Huckabee, because he keeps really good company.)

    Hoo, boy, does he ever keep good company. The terrific-est good company. Good company on a Denny Hastert level!

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/busted-trump-campaign-chair-caught-in-a-motel-room-with-an-underage-boy/

  • Charles Smith

    Anyway, Trump paid more in taxes in that one year than all the rest of us commenting on this entire blog. How much did you all pay to support all the wasteful programs, military and welfare?

    • More than necessary, EVER and no where near enough. In that exact order.

      • Liberoid Ron

        For what we expect them to do (remember the army shovelling snow in Toronto?) we underfund our military scandalously. It’s not like we’re pumping billions into the MIC either, since their equipment is almost all imported.

    • TJ Barke
    • shivaskeeper

      I paid my share.

    • The Wanderer

      What I am legally required to pay the Military-Industrial Complex.

      • Charles Smith

        If you are a citizen you ae subject to tax…unless you just ‘take’ benefits from society. I am sure you will not turn them down.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      More, proportionately, than him. Which is the point.

    • Nick Scroggs

      But most of us also aren’t billionaires, or captains of industry or whatever, so even if we paid whatever amount, it still wouldn’t be enough to match.

      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        I believe the term is “inheritors”, if we’re going by Donnie’s example.

        • Mormos

          Aristocrats – fixed, no scare quotes necessary

      • Charles Smith

        You are right! Not enough…..to fund what everyone wants. Time to slash ALL spending.

    • JMP

      Military is a wasteful program; welfare however is not, unfair it’s way too inadequate but there is nothing at all wasteful about helping the poor an our country needs to pay much more into it, you idiot.

      • Charles Smith

        Name calling means you have already lost. Anyway, you would be one of the first to whine if we were occupied by a foreign nation. But we also defend other nations, too. Is that worthwhile. One reason there are so many poor is due to a failing work ethic and entitlement mentality. Also millions of illegals. Do you want to help the poor? Then become a social worker.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          that’s not name calling. JMP merely pointed out that you’re an idiot, a factual statement.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          No, the reason there are so many poor is the system is deliberately rigged to steal from them to give to parasites like Donald.

        • Nick Scroggs

          Okay, “failing work ethic’ and “entitlement mentality’ are just cliches older than ‘Take my wife please” jokes, unless you have statistical evidence of this.

          • Charles Smith

            You want statistics? Read the federal budget…$20 trillion thanks to Obama and Demos along with some of the Repubs. I will debate anyone on federal spending. Good gosh!

          • Lance Thrustwell

            No one is arguing there isn’t a significant welfare state in America; the questions are – is it needed? Is it efficient? Is it sustainable? Which programs work and which don’t? Can it be improved? Does it increase unneeded dependence or not?

            Those are all points which require extensive research and thought, not just political talking points and generalities.

          • Nick Scroggs

            Nonononoonono, I’m not asking for something to read elsewhere, I want actual data, graphs, or some citation to a source, that you can provide rather than say “Read it elsewhere!” as a deflection for responsibility toward your argument.

          • JMP

            And I just noticed the idiot is using a brand-new account. So it looks like this is another cheater who’s been banned before but is abusing Disqus to sneak in where he’s been told he is never allowed to return. So please, do fuck off you shithead.

          • Serai 1
        • Shanzgood

          Lulz. No, being an idiot means you have already lost. Sadly, most Trump supporters don’t realize they are, or that they’re about to lose even more bigly.

        • Nick Scroggs

          Also, if I became a social worker, you’d most likely then call me a “bleeding heart” for trying to help people who need to go up by their own bootstraps.

        • Liberoid Ron

          ‘failing work ethic’
          ‘entitlement mentality’
          Looks like we got us a True Believer here, folks. I’m surprised it didn’t mention welfare queens, Cadillacs, or crab legs.

          And for what it’s worth, sweetcheeks, I’ve BEEN a social worker.

        • TJ Barke

          No. The reason there are so many poor is because the surplus value of their labor is appropriated by the ownership class.

          • Lance Thrustwell

            {mumbles} something…something… rhymes with “sharks”…

          • Shanzgood

            Exactly. Productivity has been steadily increasing over the past several decades but worker wages have been stagnant. Not so the incomes of the upper 1%. That profit from increased productivity is going straight upward.

          • Lance Thrustwell

            Now now – don’t go jumping to conclusions! Let’s let another couple of generations go by and let wealth inequity become even more lopsided than it is. Then we’ll know!

          • Shanzgood

            Of course. What was I thinking? Those charts and graphs I saw REEK of science! *shudder*

        • JMP

          Nice job using the racist slur “illegals”, asshole. And the reason there are so many poor is because our system has a woefully inadequate social safety net and allows the corporate executive leeches, people like Donald Trump who have never worked a day in their lives, to steal almost all the money the workers earn and deserve.

        • Serai 1
      • Mormos

        If you spend a million dollars on a bomb & drop it, you just lost a million dollars. If you spend a million dollars on a school, you get a school

        • Liberoid Ron

          But it’s really hard to drop a school from an airplane, which is why they go for bombs instead.

        • Nick Scroggs

          Personally i was thinking of the Firesign Theater sketch “Le Trente-Huit Cunegonde”, where they drop copies of Naked Lunch on Nigeria.

    • OrG

      I’ve NEVER lost $1,000,000,000 in one year.

      • msanthropesmr

        I have, but they just laugh at me when I go to the list and found to claim it.

    • TJ Barke

      Oh, you got us, guess having more money than you deserve puts you beyond reproach.

    • persistently_resistant_gayby

      The fact is hard working people paid their fair share, unlike your savior.

      • Charles Smith

        Why do you assume he is my savior? Just a convenient charge to fit into your stereotype, right? I don’t like him at all but I liked Hillary less as she was just a phony politician. I would rather deal with someone honest like Trump (even if I dislike many of his attitudes.

        • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

          “honest like Trump”?

          Holy god.

        • TJ Barke

          Honest? That’s a good one.

        • persistently_resistant_gayby

          I’ve dealt enough tropes like you – so I’m gonna just point to the door.

        • boyblue122

          Hillary released full years of her taxes on the campaign trail like an honest person.

          Drumpf has ducked and dodged like the con man he is

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          “Honest like Trump”. I’ve got some beachfront property in AZ you might be interested in. Send me a check.

        • Liberoid Ron

          ‘Honest like Trump’
          ‘Cold like the Sun’
          ‘Soft like iron’
          ‘Blue like an orange’
          This is a fun game!

        • Serai 1
      • Charles Smith

        I am one of the hard working people. Do you have a real job? I will vote for anyone who will honestly say they will cut OUR entitlements, which are unsustainable.

        • persistently_resistant_gayby

          Right – because living under entitlements makes a heck of a lot more money than actually working.

          I should just ask the Federal Govt to just pony up their cash, shouldn’t I…?

          #smh.

          • Nick Scroggs

            After you get the Soros check, of course.

        • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

          You comment on mommyblogs a lot for a “hard working” person.

        • Serai 1
        • sgt. jmk of the résistance

          It’s cute the way you object to talking points, yet your comments are riddled with them.

    • Alan

      I missed your point.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Mr. Smith – if that is your real name – of course he paid more; that is how progressive taxation works.

      Btw, you can safely debate with me; I will never name-call or bring an ad hominem attack unless you break the rules of civil discourse first.

    • boyblue122

      of course Smith just makes a comment and bolts

    • Let me see, he paid less proportionately than I did. However, let’s take a look at your “wasteful” programs, the military, and welfare. Here’s the thing: The people and areas that benefited the most from all of those also voted overwhelmingly for … Trump. Like West Virginia and eastern Kentucky, for example. High poverty, huge drug problem, bad education, high out-of-wedlock birth rates, and considerable crime, and it’s been that way for generations. In fact, those areas were literally the poster child for the “War on Poverty.” Of course, they’re white, so they somehow think they deserve it, while other people – read: black or brown – don’t. I can go around the country and see the same thing. Colorado Springs, the epicenter of a lot of the Religious Right organizations, would be a small tourist town if it weren’t for all the military spending. Lots of other places depend on national parks for their business. Cattle ranchers get reimbursed for losses by the federal government, grain farmers get crop subsidies, and so on. But just because they’re white, they “deserve it?” So by all means, let’s cut those areas of wasteful spending. You probably won’t hear of the Republican Party again, because the ultimate white entitlement is that their voters think they aren’t the biggest beneficiaries – even though they are.

      • Charles Smith

        I do not even know where to begin with those comments…some of which are racist. Can you not discuss intelligently? You have nothing to back anything up other than talking points you have had reinforced by your slanted view of news.

        • Alan

          I didn’t see that you actually made a point that needed to be discussed. Please clarify.

        • Serai 1
        • sgt. jmk of the résistance

          Oh yes, that’s right – Norbrook pointed out the racism that holds white people to a different standard than black and brown people and thinks that they “deserve” assistance while black and brown people do not, so that makes him the “real racist.”

          Seriously… you brought up welfare and military spending and called them wasteful. Norbrook just explained why the core Republican voters – who are white – would be personally impacted if the programs YOU mentioned were cut.

          Those were not “talking points” (seriously… do NONE of you even know what a talking point is?). They are FACTS.

          • Heck, I’ve been writing about that sort of thing for the past decade. I’ve said that conservatives are like vampires – they can’t see themselves in the mirror.

        • Nick Scroggs

          Pot, meet kettle.

        • JMP

          Racist? Huh? How the fuck is there anything racist in that comment? Particularly considering the basic fact that, you know, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RACISM AGAINST WHITE PEOPLE.

          Oh, but I forgot the white supremacists’ attempt to redefine racism as instead referring to anyone who points out that a lot of white people are racist.

        • (sigh) OK. Let’s see: There’s this report from Kentucky. Then there’s McConnell trying to fund health benefits for retired coal miners, and also the government guarantees their union pensions. Which, I might note, doesn’t happen for any other field. A look at poverty rates by state shows that most of the bottom states are states that went for Trump, and most of their demographics are … white. Oh, Colorado Springs? If it weren’t for all the military bases around it, it would be a small resort town. That’s exactly what it was back in the 1930’s. Farmers? they have a pretty nice safety net. If you want “proof,” a few minutes on the Google will show more.

          Now, you want to know the biggest beneficiaries of federal spending? Senior citizens. You see, most people don’t understand how Social Security and Medicare are funded. They’re not pre-paid plans, they’re “pay as you go” plans. So the entitlement they think they deserve is being paid for by people like me, who are working now.

    • boyblue122

      Drumpf inherited 4000 NYC apartment units from his dad. If i inherited that much, of course I would have more money to pay in taxes from the rent collected from the tenants of those apartment units

    • Serai 1
  • Serai 1

    and it brought up more questions than it answered, quite frankly.

    Which is clearly why she did it.

  • msanthropesmr

    I don’t like this story. It makes the commenters edgy. I want a new story. Preferably about Florida man. We

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    What does “depreciation for construction” or “responsibility to his company . . . to pay no more tax than legally required” have to do with individual income tax? Is this an admission that Trump’s personal wealth is so intermingled with corporate assets as to be inseparable? Does anybody bother to read these statements before they issue them?

    • Mormos

      Hahaha you think they can read

    • chicken thief

      Depending on how a company is formed the profits/losses can be passed through to the individual. LLC’s, generally speaking, are like that.

    • ariel_gee_398

      I’m sure Michael Cohen reviewed it thoroughly.

  • boyblue122

    A good explanation by Jester on twitter of why 2005 tax returns were chosen and not any other year:

    Donald Trump married Melania Knaus in 2005. She had been a permanent resident since 2001. She became a US citizen in 2006. Part of the US naturalization checklist the last 5 years tax returns OR the last 3 years tax returns if married to a US citizen, which would be in Melania’s case:

    2003 single filing…
    2004 single filing…
    2005 joint filing with DJT

    Melania’s citizenship depended on a squeaky clean join tax filing in 2005. This is why Trump, yesterday, leaked his own (partial) 2005 1040 form. It was the only year he was forced to play by the rules.

    This was a clear attempt to game the US public and media, distract from all the other shit that’s going on, and make himself look as awesome as possible to his base.

    If this was a ‘leak’ by a ‘concerned 3rd party’ there’s no way it would be so beneficial to Trump.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Yup, exactly. And Although there were a lot of things that should have been “painfully obvious” to Joe Scarborough many months ago, he’s right about this.

    • proudgrampa

      Very interesting…

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Still need all the schedules. A 1040 when you’re claiming millions in income only raises a lot more questions.

    • MissNomer

      Rachel said all of that.

  • Blackest Noobs

    so i eat my words. this guy is no dick. i didnt say that exactly but it could be implied.

    anyway i like this dude is a dad dad…you know…and his wife is sooo KOREAN…i mean that as a compliment and as person who can pick up on those mannerisms ( <–i dunno if that's the correct word im looking for…) <——and besides im half North Korean.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/headlines/39274662

  • Stulexington

    I do like that it’s been turned against his plans to end AMT (since he would have paid so so very much less but for AMT), bringing up something I’m sure the administration would have rather keep hidden. Like chewing the bait from around the hook and going in a completely unexpected direction with it.

    • dlemex

      I am sure we are missing something in their 10th-dimensional Tic-Tac-Toe game… or Jr didn’t realize why Daddy didn’t want this one released.

  • MynameisBlarney
  • Zippy W Pinhead
    • Villago Delenda Est

      “‘Tremendous’ is not a number.”

    • Hairstrike Alpha

      Lolz!

    • thewendyb

      Stolen.

    • sgt. jmk of the résistance

      Totally stolen.

    • Liberoid Ron

      Mmm, that is some tasty satire!

  • Mormos

    How can i chill out when my media diet is so completely negative? I just read an article comparing the US to Russia just before the collapse of the USSR!

    Tldr; i picked a bad time to stop smoking weed.

    • Prof. T. Green Bastard

      Limit your exposure. Also, consider starting on the weed again. :P

  • Hairstrike Alpha

    It’s okay, liberals can’t stay mad at Rachel. She’s like our quirky nerd TV professor that everybody loves.

  • Rags

    So help me out here. The 1040 was stamped ‘client copy.’

    Does this mean that it was 4-5’s personal copy? Does this mean it was an inside job?

    • MizzMazz

      Or someone got to it. It looked like it had been copied many times before.

  • PrideInRedAmerica

    Rachel Maddow is a stupid dyke who believes that a man should be allowed to insert his turgid love muscle into another man’s stretched out butthole, but that’s only because she doesn’t desire a turgid love muscle herself.

    • Please tell me that’s not your mother’s pubic hair stuck in your teeth.

      • MizzMazz

        It’s just a usual boring troll around here, who is obsessed with buttsex. Milk and cookies kept you up, TLM?

    • Alan

      You seem nice. Thought I should say that before you get hammered.

      • PrideInRedAmerica

        You mean the BANHAMMER?!?!

        • Alan

          Of course. Your shift key is stuck.

          • PrideInRedAmerica

            It must be from all the jizz I got on the keyboard from masturbating to gay porn.

          • Alan

            Try a condom. Electronics can get expensive.

    • TJ Barke

      TLM guy! I was wondering when we’d next hear your intelligent, nuanced, well reasoned opinions.

      • PrideInRedAmerica

        Thanks, I’m glad you missed me. I was in Southeast Asia with limited Internet access.

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          Hmmm…Thailand? C’mon…tell us about the underage male rentboys you hired, you scamp!

          • persistently_resistant_gayby

            I think we’d find the videos first on XHamster..

        • The Wanderer

          Helping with Fat Leonard’s legal defense?

        • BearDeLaOursistance

          And unlimited Thai ladyboys!

    • Sardonicuss

      The return of Turgid Love Muscle.
      County jail time been keeping you busy?

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Thanks for checking in from gay conversion rehab. We missed you!

    • Wellstone En Resistencia, Coño

      Go fuck yourself.

    • natoslug

      Joy! Turgid’s back to regale us all with his fantasies! Damn, you’re desperate for cock, dude. Try grindr.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      And our old friend TLM is back with the umpteenth iteration of the same old tired deeply closeted crap he always spews.

      • PrideInRedAmerica

        Hi, missed you too.

    • The Wanderer

      Turgid, my bitch! How have you been!

    • persistently_resistant_gayby

      OMG TURGID LOVE MUSCLE – I’M READY NOW, LAY IT BARE ON ME!!!

    • OrG

      Do you like sausage?

    • JMP

      Oh look, it’s you yet again. What part of “you’re banned, go away and never come back!” do you not understand, self-loathing closeted moron?

    • Martini Ambassador

      LOL, you sure do crave attention, don’tcha?

    • Master Contrail Program

      Tell me, Joey. Do you like gladiator movies?

    • IdRatherBeDancing

      If you were not such a lame troll, I’d feel sorry for you that your dick is so small.

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance
    • thewendyb

      I CALL TROLL ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      And this guy is for SURE A HOMO in denial closeted self loathing and all that.
      AND BTW? More heterosexual do the BUTTSEXXX than homosexuals! Even the boys!
      So there is a TON of stupid in pridepricks one pound bag of sad.

      • PrideInRedAmerica

        Yeah there’s more of them you moron.

      • Edith Prickly

        Turgid Love Muscle is a veteran troll. Every once in a while he gets sick of striking out on Grindr and comes here to get his rocks off talking about buttseks.

    • Oblios_Cap

      You seem to obsess about butt sex a lot, like your “Christian” brethren. On your knees, boy!

      • PrideInRedAmerica

        I’m not a Christian.

        • Oblios_Cap

          I can see that.

        • Belasaurius

          that much is obvious

    • Edith Prickly

      Oh, it’s you again.

    • beavertank

      You sure spend a lot of time thinking and talking about penises, especially as they interact with buttholes.

      Why do you think that is, exactly?

    • Nick Scroggs
    • doktorzoom

      Well, at least you’re branching out a little from the usual copypaste.

      Also, Bye!

      — Dok Zoom, Yr Friendly Neighborhood Comments Moderator

  • Hairstrike Alpha

    The real hope is that Trumpus being the douche canoe he is remains chaotic for the entire year or two he is president so he gets nothing accomplished that cannot be quickly reversed

  • Marceline

    I see the contestants for this weeks DSFB are here to make their case.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      And the case is incredibly weak, as usual, and the judges will need to recover from rolling around on the floor before a contempt citation can be issued.

      • persistently_resistant_gayby

        HAHAHAHAHA

  • bookish

    http://nbcnews.to/2lYJOTI

    The relevant federal statute, 26 USC 7213 of the U.S. Code, makes it a crime for government officials and certain private persons with legal access to release or distribute individuals’ tax returns.

    For example, an IRS official or accountant could be charged for releasing another individual’s tax returns without the person’s consent.

    While the section says it’s also illegal for anyone receiving such information in an “unauthorized” manner to print or publish it, the law hasn’t typically been used against journalists, who regularly publish or report on materials whose underlying release is unauthorized, such as classified security information.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/7213

  • Saxo the Grammarian

    OK then, a single Form 1040 is a disappointing money shot after the hype about “Donald Trump’s Tax Returns!!!”, but look at the whole picture. Rachel spent 25 minutes talking about Trump’s cozying up to Russian oligarchs like Dmitry Rybolovlev, who bought a Trump-owned mansion in Florida for $50 million more than it was worth, and whose private plane and yacht has been seen in close proximity to Trump’s plane and yacht at several locations around the country during the last election campaign. Also, Rachel argued forcefully as to why it is important for presidential candidates to release their tax returns. And then David Cay Johnston pointed to the “Client Copy” rubber stamp as possible evidence that the Trump Junta itself released the Form 1040 as a ham-handed attempt at Karl Rove-style ratfucking. So while the money shot was a bit of a dribble, the overall political theater (which was seen by a large audience) was very, very effective.

    • Serai 1

      Yep. It’s a great way to bring up an important subject that’s been shoved out of the way by Twitler’s latest idiocies.

  • TJ Barke

    Trumptrolls out in force today.

  • PrideInRedAmerica

    Maddow’s base consists of the following groups:

    Blacks who want welfare and racial preferences, Hispanics who want welfare, racial preferences, and amnesty for everyone with brown skin, limp wristed homosexuals who want their deviant lifestyle validated by society, single women who want society to pay for their birth control pills and abortions, union th*gs who want to legally extort as much as possible from the taxpayers, reform “Jews” whose “practice” of Judaism consists of bashing Christianity and whining about the Holocaust, unemployed people whose idea of a job search is sending their resumes written on a napkin to two random companies per week, jihadist Muslims who take advantage of the left’s open borders policies (even for people who want to kill them), atheists who are offended by a God they say doesn’t exist, people who think guns are evil and that murder is impossible without them, environmentalists who think that a winter storm is proof of global warming, pathetic lazy losers who get high all day, “students” who want the loans they took out to get a degree in gender studies forgiven, pathetic city dwellers who think that their running marathons and eating fair trade granola snacks contributes to society, and finally, disingenuous white liberals who use the others as pawns to gain power. In other words, parasites who make America worse.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      TL;DR: “I want to be SOMEBODY’S bottom!”

      • BearDeLaOursistance

        Additional tl;dr: “I get turned on by trucknutz in more ways than one.”

        • MynameisBlarney

          LOL

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      *yawns*.

    • persistently_resistant_gayby

      OMG, how long did it take you to copy this..?

    • Oblios_Cap

      The no-see-ums are bad today.

      • Liberoid Ron

        Sorry ’bout that. Ice in the fogger’s nozzle.

    • JMP

      In other, all the best people, everyone who makes America great. Note who it doesn’t include? Right-wing fascist racist white idiot gunhumping Christianists who are trying to destroy the country, the lowly pieces of filth who voted for the Nazi Donald Trump and who all us decent people need to spit on.

      • PrideInRedAmerica

        It says a lot that you think the right of a deviant man to “consummate his love” for his “husband” is more important than the right to keep and bear arms.

        • JMP

          Are you fucking kidding? Are you high? Of course it is. There should be no “right” to bear arms, that was a horrible mistake which leads the deaths of 100 Americans a day. Look at how every other developed country in the world has gun control, and because of it has a much, much lower murder, suicide and accidental death rates than America. But the idea that two people shouldn’t be allowed to get married just because they’re the same gender is completely asinine and moronic, and there is not one single good argument in favor of outlawing gay marriage.

          • PrideInRedAmerica

            Yup, typical homosexual. What’s important to you should be a “right” but everyone else’s rights are unimportant.

          • therblig

            what’s unimportant is your existence.

          • JMP

            There’s plenty of rights that I care about even though they don’t affect, including equal marriage rights as I’m a straight man, and the right for women to control their own bodies even though I’m not one because I’m not one of those panty-sniffing creeps so evil they think women with normal sex lives should be punished for it by being forced to go through pregnancy and birth. I also manage to be white and not be a racist pile of shit like you but support equality for all people, and am an atheist but also oppose discrimination against all religions; of course that all comes from the fuckheaded Christians who keep trying to shred the First Amendment and force their religion on everyone else.

            So no, I actually care about the rights of plenty of people who aren’t like me! And oppose those who are trying to destroy everyone’s rights, you know, the supporters of the fascist monster now in the white house, those who are trying to change the law so that only rich straight white Christian men can have rights. Fuck you evil piles of shit.

          • Serai 1
          • Liberoid Ron

            But, THE BIBLE!
            Oh, right, you said GOOD argument. My bad.

        • BearDeLaOursistance

          And what about those of us who believe in both?

        • roberteye

          Don’t feed the troll

        • Lefty Frizzell

          Turgid! Is that you? How’s in hangin’?

          • Lance Thrustwell

            Good ol’ Turgid. (Just glad he doesn’t show up every day.)

        • MynameisBlarney

          That is really fucking stupid.

          You stupid inbred shit-kickers are nothing but useful idiots for the republicans and their paymasters.

        • Lizzietish81

          Make gay sex not war?

          If I wasn’t at work, I’d be in my bunk

        • Lance Thrustwell

          Oh, Turgid, you slay me, with your wit. Stop – stop!

          No really, stop.

        • Edith Prickly

          Penises are always better than penis substitutes, IMHO.

        • Serai 1
      • Belasaurius

        you forgot sister-fucking

        • Lord Jim

          No love for cousins anymore? What have we become…

    • Sardonicuss

      TS:DR….

    • MynameisBlarney

      Fail troll is fail.
      Also, too; And obviously a closeted, self-loathing homosexual.

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      I love to eat these trollees, trollees are so neat. Bite they little heads off, eat they little feet…

    • Lefty Frizzell

      Anybody and everybody except old, rich, right wing, white heterosexual christian men, right?

      Shocking!

      • Toomush_Inferesistance

        Well, I can’t claim to be a strong christian, but Rachel is my pretend girlfriend….mine and Mrs. Toomush’s…

        • persistently_resistant_gayby

          NO! *EXPELLIARMUS*

    • MizzMazz

      *Satisfied sigh* I am all of the above. But I’m not Irish; we won’t have the Irish.

    • persistently_resistant_gayby

      Dude, come on – you’re not trying harder. Its obvious you’re trying to make up for the lack of size – just be more sensual, okay..?

    • Liberoid Ron

      I have to admit, though I’ve seen these RWNJ talking points hundreds if not thousands of times, they’re always hilarious!
      I needed the laugh this morning, sugar-tits. Thanks. Don’t let the door hitcha on the way out.

      • PrideInRedAmerica

        Thanks bro!

    • BearDeLaOursistance
    • Wellstone En Resistencia, Coño

      The only people who want racial preferences in this country are the hicks that yell “White genocide!” at every turn. Everybody else just wants to be treated like a human being. Apparently that ideal is way too complex for conservatives to handle. Time and again history shows it is red-state hicks who make America worse. Go fuck yourself.

    • therblig

      i assume “red america” is putin’s american bitches.

    • Bub the Hoohah! loving Zombie

      To address a couple of your RWNJ talking points: Union

    • HorseChestnut

      I can’t believe someone pays you to post this shit. Have you gotten your brand new Land Rover Range Rover yet?

      • Lord Jim

        Ya know, I should have jumped on that bandwagon back when they were still offering DeLoreans. Ya snooze, ya loose I guess.

    • boredcatlady

      I thought it was (((Jews))) not “Jews”

      • Alan

        I don’t get it.

        • (Major_Major_Major)ly_Pissed

          Alt-right Twitter code.

          • Alan

            Right, what is it supposed to mean?

          • Lizzietish81

            Basically some Alt Right trolls were identifying Jews by putting parenthesis around their user name

          • Serai 1

            THREE parentheses. The number’s important.

          • Alan

            I should have known better than to think it had to make sense.

          • Lord Jim

            That’s the weakness of a rational mind – you can’t stop yourself trying to make sense of things, even if they’re insane.

          • (Major_Major_Major)ly_Pissed

            The multiple brackets imply the person in brackets is Jewish.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      How can you talk about Maddow’s base and leave out lesbians? Pathetic.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        you bothered to read that crap?

      • JMP

        Because Turgid has always been obsessed with man-on-man sex, and like so many obsessed homophobes doesn’t even acknowledge the existence of gay women.

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          Just wait till we take over all the farms.

          • (Major_Major_Major)ly_Pissed

            Govt farm subsidies for lesbeans?

    • Master Contrail Program

      Wow. Busy day at the troll farm? You usually bust out a few posts of Turgerotica before devolving into your Neo-Nazi shpiels. Guess you’re trying to be spontaneous?

    • Lizzietish81

      tl;dr White Nationalist Crap

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDl9ZMfj6aE

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Turgid! Good to see you, man. Or the complete opposite of that.

    • Jennaratrix

      You seem nice.

    • Transreason Maidenheader

      Mom, is that you?

    • Serai 1
    • Longstreet63

      Cobblers!

    • Pinkham’s Law

      “union th*gs who want to legally extort as much as possible from the taxpayers.”

      RWNJ Style guide says this is wrong. According to it, Union Thugs want to legally extort as much as possible from the suckers who join the union, and the companies they work for, and divert it into the Union Bosses’ pockets, usually while implying a Mob connection.

    • Shoto

      Don’t tell me, let me guess:

      You’re going for the top prize in the “Stupidest Person on the Internet” competition. Personally, I think you might have a shot at making it to the finals.

    • Tiny kaiju

      I think you missed feminists,old people and catalytic converters.
      Remember you can’t spell gasoline without the letters L,E,A oh crap there’s no D in gasoline.
      ETA for extra credit attack small farmers,people who don’t use pesticides and bees.

    • Tiny kaiju

      I kind of miss the throbbing dicks posts.

  • Poly_Ester

    Did Donnie loose the initiative by forgoing the weekend tweet-storm?

  • BadKitty904

    This is it, for the entire morning? Is the Chat Cave out of coffee?

    • Sardonicuss

      The next post will shock and amaze!
      The suspense is killing!

      • BadKitty904

        Will it feature This One Weird Trick*?

        *I sense a future band’s name…

        • natoslug

          Do you have to pay extra for a weird trick? Or is it the same as in town?

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            ask Donnie

          • Lord Jim

            One Weird Trickle…

          • cheetojeebus

            “depends” on how much equipment is needed.

          • natoslug

            Depends? Please tell me that One Weird Trick isn’t a Vitter . . .

          • cheetojeebus

            You’re asking me to ‘leak’ info and that’s not something I’m willing to just spray all over the interwebs.

      • Lizzietish81
  • Chadwells

    Things I learned:

    Don’t say anything bad on here about ACLU and/or Maddow!!!

    GOT IT!!! Love you guys!!! Don’t be mad at me!!

    • I am not always a fan of the ACLU, but at the moment they are fighting the good fight for the right reasons.

      • Chadwells

        100%

      • OrG

        ACLU protects the Constitution, which protects everyone’s rights. Even bad people.

        • Liberoid Ron

          Even awful people have rights, though at times we may wish they didn’t.

          • Serai 1

            Yeah, we have to remember that there’s a sizable proportion of the US that hates us for exactly the same reasons we can’t stand them. The great thing about America is we’re free to do that, and the ACLU is there to make sure we’re not forced to pretend we agree.

          • BackDoorMan

            … unfortunately, awful people seem to think only they have rights, and aren’t willing to grant them to anyone else. Thus we have whatcha call an impasse.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Hey, anyone can make mistakes! And I’m talking about you, me, Maddow and the ACLU. As far as I’m concerned, you can criticize anybody. This here’s a free-thinkin’ blog.

    • MizzMazz

      I don’t think you can be honest and say that you agree with everything the ACLU does, or anyone, for that matter. A big part of me hates them sticking up for Illinois Nazis, but that’s the way it is.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsxwhRiiWtc

      • Serai 1

        I don’t hate them for that. The law covers EVERYONE. You might as well hate the founding fathers for giving everyone the right to free speech. I can hate the Nazis with no problem, but not the ACLU.

        • MizzMazz

          Yeah, I wasn’t clear there. I hate the Nazis, Not the ACLU.

          • Serai 1

            Ever see “Skokie”? Great movie about that very issue. (Also Danny Kaye’s last film.)

          • MizzMazz

            I will check it out!

          • Serai 1

            It’s tough to find. It’s a TV movie that only came out on video way back in the 90’s. But I’m sure you can dig up a copy out in the hinterlands of the internet if you try. :)

    • chicken thief

      Also too:

      ~ Ping pong balls and certain demographic (ethnic?) groups.
      ~ Questioning the gender of certain writers/political pundits.
      ~ Making fun of mah main man Louie Gohmert’s really Preznitial looking ties.

      Ok, I just made one of those up so I’d have a list of three.

      • Chadwells

        Something about canned clams too!!! Right?!

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    We read into those two tweets what we wanted them to mean

    No, we read into those tweets exactly what they wanted to make us think, which wasn’t what the segment turned out to be. I like RM and I’m certainly not ready for Wonket to break up with our virtual GF, but let’s be honest- she (and the network) stepped in it last night. They likely got played by a friendly leak that only helped the administration in multiple ways and they took the bait and made themselves and by extension, the entire anti Trump left, look bad because of it. And they did so because they got dazzled by the potential ratings, which is why they egged on their audience. They hyped this far beyond what it turned out to be.

    Had they simply covered it like any other piece of the day’s news it would have been more effective, instead the information that we did get out of it has been overshadowed by the noise and the hoopla. Worst of all, by overplaying their hand, they gave the RW noise machine potent ammo to push back against not only this, but future revelations. The next bit of breaking news will be preemptively hand waved away by the RW spinners and will likely be ignored by those in the middle as another case of the anti trump left crying wolf.

    • boredcatlady

      I’m okay with it. That being said, I felt like other aspects of this story could have gotten promoted instead.

      BUT. By doing this, and making a huge splash, she’s now the go-to if you want your leaks to get out there, right?

    • Rick Hill

      Yeah, anyone thinks that even a full revelation, including rock solid evidence of direct ties to Putin, will sink trump is living a pipe dream. He’s not going down until he screws everything up and that’s the thing. Everything will be screwed up when he leaves.
      Also, a lot of important things to focus on:
      https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aLDpZrv_460s.jpg

    • Villago Delenda Est

      When the tweets said “we’ve got Donald’s taxes!” I was hoping for more than a 1040. But these things take time. Watergate was not built in a day, after all. It was a steady drip, drip, drip over a period of two years.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        I don’t mind mind the substance of getting this first look, it was the hype that diminished it. Their mistake was trying to convince us that last night’s drip drip was a deluge, when it wasn’t.

        • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

          I do agree that Maddow left the curtain so open that we would expect a Full Monty AND I think we expect too much, too soon.

          • The Witch of Endor

            I think my problem is that MSNBC played us because of that expectation. I’d have been happier if it hadn’t been so hyped. I think Maddow, her producer(s), and MSNBC did themselves a huge disservice. People who rarely, if ever, watch her show didn’t understand her overall format of setting context and then presenting the information. And frankly, I think they should have led with the tax info this one time, since her first segment is always the longest, and then set it in context in the 2nd segment.

            Now, that being said, I will still watch her show as long as they don’t make a habit of what they did last night.

          • Tiny kaiju

            Good burlesque teases exposure, or so I’m told.

        • BackDoorMan

          … I can’t help but wonder if the teaser-tweet wouldn’t have been better served by saying “interesting tid-bit about Trump 2005 taxes revealed, merely the tiny tip of hidden iceberg, details tonight at 9″… you know, downplay it so anything discussed is more than you expected, but what do I know – I don’t tweeter. Also too, the “reveal” should have been done at the top of the segment, and the rest of the time devoted to looking deeper at the iceberg. You know, like the old Columbo t.v. series – see the murder first, stick around while the detective in the rumpled overcoat figures it out by putting all the pieces together. There’s a reason that worked.

    • ZangoCrudmonger

      Generally I’m pretty tuned to the news, but I was away from the desk through the whole thing, only to catch up six hours later. Having not seen it, like most of ‘Merca, I don’t think the ratings play will be noticed by the great middle. Those of the middle who watched got some background, from what I heard, on the money trails and what not.

      What the press pool does with this is to be seen. There’s no appeasing the howler monkeys, so just as well save our bananas.

    • Serai 1

      No, they didn’t step in it. They got everyone talking about the issue again, which had really gone away in most people’s attention, despite being a really important issue. That’s clearly what they wanted to do, and they’ve done it.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        Except what everyone is saying is “yup, Trump does pay taxes like everybody else”. What they’re NOT talking about about is the ACA debacle, Jeff Sessions and his Russian connections (and lies) , Trump’s defamatory tweet about Obama’s wire tapps™, or the administration’s upcoming attempt to completely remake the executive branch. Mission accomplished: we’re talking about the tax issue without adding much of substance to the conversation instead or the pressing issues happening now- distraction achieved.

        • Serai 1

          You mean other than all the people who ARE talking about those things? And all the people who are saying “Don’t be distracted by the tax thing?” Because we can’t possibly think about more than one thing at a time?

    • Lord Jim

      I see what you’re getting at, but let’s face it: Trump’s base and the RW noise machine will never stop blowing the “fake news” trumpet. If one wanted to frame the issue as raising the possibility that maybe the hyping of this thing was a case of news organizations giving in to their pique at Donald FuckTrumpet, thus revealing a thin spot in their veneer of objectivity – well, ok then. Or one could argue that RM was besotted with her own celebrity and hit a low point. But pretending that anything would finally convince the Breitbart crowd and the Trumpanzees is a nonstarter.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Tedious troll below is tedious. Not even worth fucking with. Yawn.

    • persistently_resistant_gayby

      But TLM’s back – he get so horny, its pathetic..

      • Lance Thrustwell

        TLM?

        • The Witch of Endor

          Turgid Love Muscle

          • Lance Thrustwell

            Ha! Oh, that guy.

      • The Witch of Endor

        Where?

        • Edith Prickly

          Down the thread. He’s pretty limp today though.

          • MynameisBlarney

            Not very turgid, eh?

    • Serai 1

      Giving me a chance to gif dance, though. Hardly ever get to do that anymore.

  • MynameisBlarney
    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Anyone wonder if Ryan made the plan intentionally horrible in the hopes that Trump would run with it, fall face first in shit, and then maybe STFU for a while while Ryan and his buddies loot Medicare?

      • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

        An asshole is basically a sphincter muscle. Never found them to be too bright, however accommodating of being stretched.

      • MynameisBlarney

        I heard on NPR that he wanted to make it so shitty it would never pass.
        Because the ACA as is, is just too fucking popular.
        This way, he can shrug his shoulders as he tells his party that he tried.

    • YoBunnyBunny

      Please! This is his regular business M-O. Slap his name on something, say it’s going to be huge, and when it fails, just point to the fine writing that says “Although my name is on this, I did not create this clusterfuck… HE DID!!!!”

      http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gop-candidate-donald-trump-licenses-his-name-real-estate-lawsuits-over-failed-developments/

  • bookish

    https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/security/reports/2017/03/15/428074/russias-5th-column/

    Putin is now trying to export his brand of leadership. He has formed an alliance with many European far-right political parties and their leaders, who have delivered consistent adherence to Russian interests even when it contradicts some of their past positions. This backing of Putin is hard to explain unless it is in exchange for Putin’s overt and covert support. These far-right parties are capitalizing on economic and security crises in Europe to build popular support and now operate as a fifth column that is undermining the Western liberal order from within. President Donald Trump’s unwavering support for Putin and his pursuit of policies that advance Russia’s goals show disturbing similarities to the European far right that are equally difficult to rationalize.

    This report examines Russia’s efforts to support far-right parties in Europe; identifies the ideological and strategic motivations for its actions; and provides case studies on seven political parties in six countries that either have held elections recently or will hold them within the next year. The report also includes key findings and recommendations that are summarized below.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Linky?

    • Wellstone En Resistencia, Coño

      I think it’s a concerted effort. Putin seems to believe the only way for his nation to survive is to turn it into an authoritarian white ethno-state. His first challenge as president was the Chechen war and it seems he understood the Russian Federation cannot survive as the diverse state it is today. The thing is he cannot engage in ethnic cleansing the way Stalin did it on his own. So, he’s recruiting like-minded politicians in Europe and the US so, when the time comes, it’s done in a block that stretches all across the Northern Hemisphere. If several powerful countries decide to become white ethno-states all at the same time the move will be so powerful no one will be able to oppose it. The resulting block will be so strong the rest of the world will have no choice but to live with it. I honestly think this is just getting started.

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      This is not Russia – it’s a small cabal of Russian thieves, linked to thieves across the globe. In America, it’s trump and his cabinet; in Europe, the small well-funded list is evident…

      • h4rr4r

        Russia is run by a small cabal of Russian thieves. That is literally the Russian Federation.

      • Lord Jim

        In an attempt to see if I could learn a little more about the sort of thing you’re talking about, I tossed “Russia kleptocracy” into the Google machine. I learned of a 2014 book by Karen Dawisha titled Putins Kleptocracy. Could be interesting reading…

  • boredcatlady

    Because I’m like a professional student, I listen to Professor Maddow’s A Block with an ear for the final. What is she repeating, what is she slowing down to enunciate? This is what is going to be on the test (i.e. This is the important part.) it’s not necessarily the title of the segment that is the main take away.

    • MizzMazz

      Very good advice. I knew there was some reason I got more out of Rachel Maddow than other reporters, and this hits the nail on the head.

    • ahughes798

      I like Rachel very much…but she really makes me miss Linda Ellerbee. And a show called “News Overnight.”

      • boredcatlady

        Oh wow, that is a name I haven’t heard in a billion years

        • ahughes798

          I used to be a pressman, and I worked the night shift, and that show would come on about 5 minutes after I got home.

  • persistently_resistant_gayby

    Trollz boring. I going to bed.

    Ta ta, see you in a couple of hours..

    • Liberoid Ron

      Good choice.

  • BadKitty904

    OT: In other news…

    Nearly Half a Million U.S. Doctors Warn That Climate Change Is Making Us Sick
    Global warming poses an increased risk for asthma, lung illnesses, Lyme disease, Zika virus and anxiety, among other things.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/doctors-climate-change_us_58c85231e4b01c029d7717ed?jp6843vmb33hrrudi&amp;

    • BadKitty904

      Thanks, GOP! Now, if we could just afford health insurance for when climate change makes us sick…

    • MizzMazz

      And the world’s oceans aren’t feeling too good. When they go, we go.

      • BadKitty904

        Source of our oxygen supply, much of our weather, most of our food, etc.

        • MizzMazz

          I know, and it’s simple and right out there, but no one gets it. It’s not hard science it’s easy science, but it’s inconvenient science, so they don’t like it.

          • BadKitty904

            Bad for profits, doncha know…

        • natoslug

          But other than that, what have the Romans oceans ever done for us?

          • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

            Great White sharks?

          • natoslug

            Shark Lives Matter, dammit!

        • Wild Cat

          Look at the bright side of death: No rent, no tuition, no need for food, and if you’re a neo-nazi, you can wank at not having to pay taxes for the coloreds’ T-bones, iPhones, and hot dates with all the white women who turned you down..

        • ZangoCrudmonger
        • ZangoCrudmonger
      • Serai 1

        Sad how people have basically forgotten that rather important issue.

        • Liberoid Ron

          ‘Forgotten’? Most of them think that God sits up there in heaven with a giant thermostat and a Brita filter.

          • Serai 1

            No, this was a really big issue a while back. Let’s not pretend the wingnuts are the majority of humanity, okay?

          • MizzMazz

            Yeah, but a lot of them think exactly that, that god won’t let us fuck up our environment. I read their book, and it’s pretty explicit about no more floods (Bwahahaha) but he said nothing about pollution.

          • Serai 1

            Cherry-picking. He also said we’re supposed to be stewards, which means take care of the fucking place. The Bible can be made to say anything – or NOT say it, depending on what you want to concentrate on.

          • Lord Jim

            I’d have thought (silly me) that the gig would have been up when it was discovered that Exxon, a major funder of anti-AGW studies, knew in the 70s that AGW was real and something to be taken into account when doing long-term planning.

          • Serai 1

            Carl Sagan was talking about global warming back in the 60’s.

          • Liberoid Ron

            It’s not just the wingnuts. A LOT of people have zero idea of how the world works, physically. Even liberals.

        • MizzMazz

          I used to like acid, just not in my ocean.

      • Shoto

        ♫ Let’s go surfin’ now, everybody’s learning how… ♫

        Wait. Um…Never mind.

      • Wellstone En Resistencia, Coño

        Since I’s oldz, for me, at least, the good thing is that I won’t be around when that happens although I may have to live through the initial stages. Oh, well.

        • MizzMazz

          We’re seeing it now, with coral reefs dying en masse, and they are important habitats – all part of the complex food web that leads to that nice tuna steak recipe shared the other day. I have a son who I want to be able to breathe clean air, and drink clean water, and eat clean food. I told him about L.A. in the 70’s and how the sky was brown, and there were days you didn’t go out. We’re going back to that.

          • Wellstone En Resistencia, Coño

            But a few coal miners are going to be able to go back to work for a few more years and they’re going to be on TV cheering Donald before they die of black lung disease. Also, Charles and David Koch are going to make a killing. Doesn’t that make it all worth it at the end of the day? USA!, USA!, USA! …

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      My supervisor at work tried to convince me that the science is still out on what’s causing it and no one has accounted for the period of global cooling we had.

      Then I got him to admit he hadn’t read a lot about it. But he continued to insist that he isn’t convinced, as a scientist, that the science is there.

      • Shoto

        He would be what is commonly referred to as A Idiot.

      • kareemachan

        Is he a scientist at all?

      • Lord Jim

        Oh, I see. He hasn’t read a lot about it, but he definitely knows there isn’t enough evidence to draw a certain conclusion. Ask yer boss if he knows what the “file-drawer problem” is.

    • Shoto

      “You say that like it’s a bad thing.”

      — Trump/RyanCare

      • kareemachan

        “Only 24 million? That’s GREAT!!!”

        — Paul Ryan

    • Wellstone En Resistencia, Coño

      The fast tropicalization of the Southeast is making it a great breeding ground for diseases that were found only in the deep tropics just a few years ago. People there are not really prepared to deal with those kinds of threats. The good thing is that those are all red states, so there’s that.

      • Oblios_Cap

        to the coast!

      • BadKitty904

        I don’t think contagion will be confined by political ideology or regional bigotry.

      • YoBunnyBunny

        Well, I”m sure the GOP will let us all know how the founding fathers lived through a couple of yellow fever outbreaks in their day. So… bootstraps… or something.

  • Belasaurius

    and in other news, Trumpenstein is starting to eminent domain the TX/Mex border

    https://www.texasobserver.org/texas-border-wall-mexico-condemnation-letter/

    • HorseChestnut

      Small government! States’ rights! Private property!

      • BadKitty904

        IOKIYAR…

      • Belasaurius

        It’ll be interesting to see if any of the Bundy Militia shows up to protect landowners from federal overreach…HAHHAHAHHAHHA, they won’t cause they’re shitstains

    • Liberoid Ron

      And slowly even Texas starts to shade slightly purple.

  • MynameisBlarney

    No big deal…nothing at all to worry about folks…

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028794437

    • Oblios_Cap

      If Putin releases the pee hooker tapes, l’il Donnie will probably lob a warhead or two Vlad’s way.

  • Lefty Frizzell

    Really the only takeaway from this is the confirmation of what a ghastly little turd Don Jr is.

    • BadKitty904

      “…further confirmation…”

    • beavertank

      Someday, hopefully someday soon, his literal stash of dead bodies will turn up.

      Narcissistic serial killers like him always slip up eventually.

  • roberteye

    So obvious that Trumpf leaked this, the biggest clue being – OF COURSE with zero details from whence came the earnings, but positive “I paid huge taxes” spin. They were tweeting about it almost as soon as Maddow started talking about it. A good propaganda tool: he can crow about his paying taxes, crow about the crooked liberal media trying to nail him and failing, and, most important, distract from Se$$ions, Ru$$ians, TrumpCare fail, etc. I agree it was way overhyped – they had a “count down clock” to Maddow’s tax scoop on Chris Hayes show – certainly implying if not the mother lode something close. The Trump Reich also threw in “fake news”, but giddy young hostage Trump, jr. confirmed its “accuracy”. All well calculated. But even David Cay Johnson, a Trump stalker who mysteriously received the info in his mailbox, suggested it likely came from Trump.

    • CindyinEncinitas

      I think this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Lord Dampnut really is a great guy and the haters are pathetic, weak and sad. Clearly.

      • roberteye

        Well that was the idea. ha. But as usual their spin just makes it all the more suspicious.

    • roberteye

      But as Ronald Reagan said in King’s Row: “Where’s the rest of me?” If he’s so stalwart and confident about his taxes, why not release them all, in full?

      • kareemachan

        Easy: this was the one that could pass muster. The others…. not so much.

  • Shoto

    “…the oldest human being formed by Ivana Trump’s egg and one of Donald Trump’s spray-tanned sperm…”

    Ewwww. But The Journalamism is not pretty.

  • bookish
    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      Except that USA Toady won’t say why it is that some of the 6 million won’t buy health insurance if they’re not forced to. Could it be that they can’t afford it? Isn’t that why we put this whole ACA together in the first place?…

      • h4rr4r

        A fair bit of them, just refuse to.

        They are more than happy to ignore the possible issues if it gives them hundreds more a month to spend on dumbshit.

        Then they will go the ER, and we will pay for it.

  • HorseChestnut

    Everything is awful, nothing has or will ever change, humans are monsters, and the world is just as doomed as I suspected it was when I was a kid.

    The Yukon’s looking really nice right about now. Somewhere I don’t have to see people unless they’re bringing me mail or their plane has crashed.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      The mosquitoes in the Yukon are the size of people.

      • ZangoCrudmonger

        And they coordinate their attacks.

      • therblig

        yeah, but bumbles bounce

      • HorseChestnut

        Then I won’t get lonely!

  • MynameisBlarney

    http://crooksandliars.com/2017/03/breaking-house-intelligence-says-no

    No one could have possibly seen this coming…

    Except everyone that isn’t a fucking dumbass turmp voter.

    • Tiny kaiju

      Let the finger pointing and back pedaling begin.

    • Thaumaturgist

      Doesn’t prove a thing. Nor does the fact that the Brits won’t admit doing Obama’s dirty work mean a thing. (Thedailybeast.com. Won’t paste. do your own research.). Sides, Obama could have gotten the North Koreans to do the deed, for all we know.

      OTOH maybe the Russians and DID hack the Trump Campaign. Ya think?

  • Charles Smith

    Good day! My posts below were part of an experiment. I discovered that liberal commenters seem even more clueless than conservative commenters. I just wanted to visit a liberal website and see the kind of discussion I would have. A couple of you had good points but most of you just demonstrated the ignorant name-calling and baseless accusations I expected. I tried to answer as many as I could but it was hopeless….too much stupidity to deal with. This is my only visit here. I had a good time. I will come back after lunch (maybe) and read some of your replies to have a good laugh with and I will sign off….Sitting back laughing.

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      Okay. Now fuck off back to your little basement hole….

    • HorseChestnut

      ATTN: Deleted Comments Department

      • Serai 1

        Not Shit-Fer-Brains material. Too lame and self-satisfied. Not enough arm-waving and idiotic defensiveness.

        • Nick Scroggs

          So can it stay up then? I’m asking because, frankly I really want to do a paper on the trolls online, their weird psychology, etc.

          • Serai 1

            You do know you can save this stuff, right?

    • Longstreet63

      Thank you for your useful input. Please stick the flounce.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Oh come off it, we know you feverishly masturbate to attention. Don’t ruin it by being coy.

    • Sardonicuss

      …and ur blocked!
      Adios!

    • Lefty Frizzell

      No idea what you’re talking about but to be honest you sound like a bit of an arrogant cock. So it’s probably for the best that it’s your only visit here.

    • chicken thief

      “…A couple of you had good points….”

      You’ve made our day, Mr. Smith! Thank you so much for dropping by!

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea
    • Serai 1
    • Wellstone En Resistencia, Coño

      Who are you? Why should we care about what you have to say?

    • CindyinEncinitas
      • sgt. jmk of the résistance

        That does look like one of those cakes we like.

      • Tio_Doidinho

        Mmmmmm. Gallons and gallons of food dye….

    • kareemachan

      Don’t let the screen door hit ya….

      Ah, the sickly sweet smell of faux indignation from a trollette.

    • Nick Scroggs

      Doesn’t an experiment need a control, though? Are you sure you’re not just wanting a laugh off people who don’t share your delusions? Because I’ve been hassled by persons like yourself, going on website comments, basically repeating talking points of “stupid leftists with no answers”, then laughing about how you have “won.”

      • Rick Hill

        The bar is set pretty low, is my guess

      • MynameisBlarney

        You know he doesn’t believe in Science.

        • Lizzietish81

          Usually “experiment” involves a cock ring and a bear named Leo.

          • MynameisBlarney

            HAHA!

          • Shanzgood

            They make cock rings for bears?

          • Rick Hill

            Idk but I wouldn’t recommend googling it

          • Shanzgood

            I’ll add it to the list.

          • Rick Hill

            Yikes! My essperimenting usually involved something like mixing coffee and Pepsi. Fyi, I don’t recommend it. Pepsi and vanilla ice cream, however….

    • MynameisBlarney

      No one gives a fuck what you think.

    • Lizzietish81

      Still waiting for that job Trump promised he’d bring back?

      • Liberoid Ron

        Hope it’s got a REALLY long book to read.
        Oh, wait…

    • h4rr4r

      Wow, what a sad sad life.

      • Rick Hill

        That was my first thought, how lonely and pitiful you must have to be to take pleasure in baiting people, using their own better nature against them.

    • Welcome to your starring role in the next “dear shit for brains” article. You might also try looking into economic theories beyond the stupid Friedman/Thatcher/Reagan style idiocies you were spouting.

      Go forth and multiply – or to put it in the vernacular fuck off

      • Nick Scroggs

        I just hope they don’t delete the comments, I want to keep those up for my own actual real idea for a paper on internet trolls.

    • Oblios_Cap

      You are just too smart for us. I’m sure that you’re a legend in your own mind and your in momma’s basement.

    • Jamoche

      “Experiment”. That was old when Usenet was still viable.

    • MynameisBlarney
      • ZangoCrudmonger

        Hey, Silverado!!!! He was great in Deadwood, too!

        • Longstreet63

          Pretty sure it’s “Tombstone”rather than “Silverado”.

          • ZangoCrudmonger

            Ayup, watched them both last weekend, derp.

          • Longstreet63

            We need more cowboy movies. By which I mean “Something better than the horrid and tone deaf remake of The Magnificent Seven”.
            Where is the Italian film industry when you need them?

          • ZangoCrudmonger

            I have tried watching the new M7, but get distracted and never finish it. The remake of True Grit can be watched several times, but I can’t do Hateful Eight more than once. So, yes, need moar westerns.

          • Longstreet63

            Yes, I enjoyed H8 but will never ever watch it again. Rather like Se7en in that way.
            Can I vent to you about M7? Thanks!

    • ZangoCrudmonger

      You typed this down thread ” I would rather deal with someone honest like Trump (even if I dislike many of his attitudes.”

      Yes, if you think Trump is honest, then your adventures here are truly hopeless.

    • beavertank

      You mean people call you out for being a troll when you very obviously act like a troll?

      Gasp! Stop the presses!

      This is a bigger expose than even the latest James O’Keefe tape!

    • Nick Scroggs

      Also, why this site? Could’ve gone on any number of websites with a non-Heritage Foundation bent, and yet you chose one with an unusual amount of commenting freedom for your “experiment”. Is this for a research paper, or an article, or something? Hell, I’ve got a paper due tomorrow, yet you, seem to have lunch breaks, but the psychology and possible motivations behind why you’ve watched a portion of your life be spent on calling everyone arrogant while you yourself display a high amount of it.

    • sgt. jmk of the résistance

      Riiiiight. It was just an “experiment.”

      Why do I get the feeling that the translation of this is “I could not adequately refute the points you made, my talking points weren’t crushing libs the way I’d been promised they would by the guys over at the Daily Caller, and your snark made me sad because I couldn’t match or understand it.”

      If it had really been an experiment, it would probably have gone better if you hadn’t just showed up out of the blue, called the people who responded to you racists or layabouts or takers or name-callers, implied that we were all stupid, and then flounced off in a huff.

      Jus’ sayin’

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Nobody gives a shit- don’t flatter yourself

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Later! Don’t let the door hit ya, etc.

    • NastyBossetti

      Trevor?

    • Go piss up a rain pipe.

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      Here’s your hat, what’s your hurry?

    • therblig

      who’s the new douchebag?

    • Lefty Frizzell

      I just checked the history – and the basic thrust of your argument is that it’s unfair that rich people pay more taxes and take less benefits than poor people.

      I can see two problems with this.

      1) I’m not so sure it’s that self-evident that rich people take less benefits. Who gets more out of infrustructure to sell and move their goods and drive their cars? Who expects the public education system to train their workforce? Who expects their assets to be protected by an increasingly militarized police? Who expects the welfare system to subsidize their absurdly low salary offers? Most of the poor are working poor. Or veterans. Why do you hate veterans? Do you suggest they didn’t contribute enough?

      2) Leaving aside those points for a moment, it just seems rather obvious that the rich should pay more taxes because they’ve got more fucking money you stupid stupid stupid stupid asshole.

    • Ahh, the old “look how foolish I made you look by being a colossal idiot” canard. When you come into our house and shit on our carpet, we get to treat you like the carpet-shitter you are. Simple as that. Net result: You look like a fuckstick.

  • Apple Scruff
    • Edith Prickly

      STEALING…

      • MynameisBlarney

        Stole as fuck!

    • vh

      hey bbc crashed their happy time.

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      I don’t recall my short people ever having the ability to move like that little feller did in his walker. He was like greased lightning!

      • Apple Scruff

        That was my favorite part!

    • sgt. jmk of the résistance

      This is beautiful.

    • Edith Prickly

      ON AIR, DON’T CARE…

  • Martini Ambassador
    • Shoto

      It also seems unsurprising.

    • CindyinEncinitas

      I think this is what happens when you don’t have any friends.

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      The China Arts Foundation was created by Deng Rong, the youngest daughter of Deng Xiaoping, the iconic revolutionary figure and Chinese leader.

      David Corn had me at “Deng Rong”.

      • laughingnome

        Rong Dong?

        • eggsacklywright

          Rong Dong Silver?

          • The Wanderer

            And his girlfriend, Won Lung Ho?

      • LesBontemps

        Deng So Rong.

        • keenanjay

          That’s so deng rong!

    • Vincent Ricola

      Trump Park Avenue™

      (and by ™ I mean the one he just got approved in China)

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      When you’re a bagman, you’re everyone’s bagman….

    • boyblue122

      This is how Drumpf takes political bribes. People massively overpay for his real estate

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      Buying expensive real estate is an easy way to move your money overseas. Almost none of these people live in the apartments; most don’t even bother to rent them out.

  • MynameisBlarney
    • Bill D. Burger

      Only way Ayn Ryan will ever get smarter. Cut off the useless parts.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Oh, c’mon. Would someone who does P90X have a gut like that? Someone other than me, I mean.

      • sgt. jmk of the résistance

        Also too, legs not chickeny enough.

  • Tiny kaiju

    I like that Trump almost immediately forgot about how the tax release game was supposed to work.

  • bookish
    • Antonin Dvorak

      The Gold Standard? Are we really going to have to re litigate arguments from 1893?

      • Liberoid Ron

        Almost certainly.

      • The Flaming Carrot

        We’re still relitigating Bryant’s arguments from the Scopes Monkey Trial – it’s not a big leap to the Cross of Gold speech.

    • Thiazin Red

      If society collapses why the fuck would people care about gold? Wouldn’t food, water, tools and skills be way more valuable?

      • Liberoid Ron

        Shh, let the idiots hoard the stuff – or even better, gold certificates, which are doubly worthless – and find out how screwed they are if/when the whole thing comes down around their ears.

        • Raan

          They’ll be worth something – it’ll just be when nature calls.

      • Shoto

        I’ve always wondered about that. We can’t exactly say, “Mmmmm…gold sammiches…”

        • Thiazin Red

          And its not like gold is useful for building or making tools with either, its too soft. Its good for wires because its so ductile, but I’m assuming if society collapses the need for new electronics probably won’t be that great.

        • Ducksworthy

          That’s why I’m hoarding cheese.

          • Shoto

            Good plan. You should prolly hoard canned clams, too. Also.

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            Why not? You can throw them at your enemies.

          • Shoto

            Weaponized Canned Clams: The smart choice for the apocalypse.

          • The Wanderer

            I’ll get the trebuchet.

          • The Wanderer

            MONSTER!

          • eggsacklywright

            You Muenster!

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        guns and gasoline

        • Thiazin Red

          If movies have taught me anything, guns, gasoline, leather S&M gear and haircare products are all you need for a successful post fall of society life.

          • eggsacklywright

            Chariots, swords, and tunics also.

      • Raan

        If the shit starts going down, I’m looting the drugstore, the auto parts store, and Home Depot in that order.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      People who advocate returning to the Gold Standard are too fucking stupid to live.

      • sgt. jmk of the résistance

        Looking at you, Ron Paul.

      • MizzMazz

        It’s like wanting Santa Claus to be real.

  • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

    So, I guess this is today’s open thread, huh?

    • Nick Scroggs

      If it involves pointing out Charles Smith is a troll, then yes.

    • eggsacklywright

      Just who is this Open Fred person?

  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    I vote that we no longer use the phrase “nothing burger” unless whatever is being referred to has no original content whatsoever. Rachel’s broadcast had plenty of content, just wasn’t immediately bad for the Russian Puppet; It wasn’t a “nothing burger”, just wasn’t a shit sandwich either.

    • Raan

      So, synonym for clickbait?

  • Serai 1

    Jesus Christ, if I ever have a fucking website, it’s going to have an old-fashioned forum. These fucking corporate commenting systems SUCK.

    • h4rr4r

      This web2.0 load comments on the fly thing is really terrible.

      Lets just get a proper forum with real threading.

    • LesBontemps

      What comments?

    • MizzMazz

      I am intrigued by your ideas, and would support your forum. Honestly, as a late interweb adopter (’98) I miss those forums. A few still exist; easy to navigate and follow threads. I miss eGroups too – sometimes you just want to get everything in one digest to read.

      • Serai 1

        I still remember the days of insidetheweb.com. Free message boards, you could format them how you liked, etc. That was a great site. I ran a board there for a couple of years.

        • MizzMazz

          EZ boards was another one. You could set it up in an hour or so, and invite folks to come and play. I made many friends in those days; fandoms, music, science, lots of good places to go, and the occasional mIRC chat with a luminary in whatever field, those were indeed fun days. This (Wonkette) is the only thing that comes close to that sort of online friendship.

          • Serai 1

            Yes! I remember EZ boards. I preferred insidetheweb because you could make the boards look the way you wanted. Threaded comments, and you could put up background images for the whole page, and insert sections here and there wherever you wanted. Much more flexible than EZ, which introduced that whole “solid” look that became EVERY forum’s look for a while. ITW gave you boards that were visually as unique as you wanted to make them. (Unfortunately I never saved any of those pages. I wish I had.)

          • MizzMazz

            Well, as they say, everything old is new again, and I think we might be in for a comeback to those user friendly tools.I was trying to make a website for my husband’s business, and got confounded with srvice and wix, being used to the old Dreamweaver and Homestead WYSIWYG drag and drop. Back then, everyone who wanted a presence could have one. Whether anyone wanted to hang out with you was another story. I studied graphic arts in high scholl and college, right before the Interweb/computer thing happened. I sometimes even miss Letraset ;)

  • Rick Hill

    Ot. I wish I had just skipped pi day
    https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/arbn1qy_460s.jpg

  • bookish

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-15/trump-gives-carmakers-a-year-to-push-for-reset-of-mileage-rules

    Carmakers will get another year to dispute tougher fuel economy standards, as President Donald Trump overrules an Obama administration’s judgment that the industry is capable of complying with the regulations.

    • Liberoid Ron

      The whole thing about ‘it will cost so much’ is pretty ingenuous, since the costs are always passed on to the buyers anyway. It’s not like the 60s, when a $10 increase in vehicle cost (particularly in the ‘low-priced three’) would affect sales.

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      And Obama gets no credit (of course) for reducing the cost of gasoline, due to his insistence that the auto industry raise their MPG standards back in 09…

    • Alan

      They comply with the same cars in Europe. Cuts into oil industry profits though.

    • “Lower gasoline prices”… Gas is still about twice as expensive as it was when I started driving.

  • Carpe Vagenda

    OK OK, Trump aide blablabla whatever is that an American flag lining on Sean Spicer’s jacket? Because I’m pretty sure soaking the flag with flop sweat is disrespectful.

    https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/842046264221016067

    • Thiazin Red

      Isn’t having a lining like that way too interesting and stylish for this administration?

    • beavertank

      I feel like Spicer has yet to come across a bad or tacky idea he wasn’t instantly enamored with.

    • ariel_gee_398

      An homage to Waldo?

    • Bill D. Burger
      • Msgr_MΩment

        Damn you. You made me soil my star-spangled boxers.

        • Toomush_Inferesistance

          Good thing you weren’t wearing your flag pants (I can see you on that microwave!)…

      • Alan

        Please give warning.

      • Pisto75666

        Damn! Warn somebody first!

    • Vincent Ricola

      Gross. Melissa McCarthy needs to learn how to respect America.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Having a “history of financial problems” is bad for your security clearance and other living things.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        Unless you’re the President

    • Alan

      Wow. That’s tacky.

      • MizzMazz

        Beyond tacky. It took effort to make that lining, and his stupid tie? On top of all of that, man doesn’t know how to deplane.

    • Pisto75666

      He is such a supremely vile human being.

      • Alan

        I actually thought he just happened to get caught up in something he had no control over. He looks so shell shocked, I wondered if I should feel sorry for him. Then the other day when he told that woman what a great country this is that they let her live here I realized he’s a flaming asshole too.

        • Pisto75666

          Whenever they show the slightest bit of humanity/decency, wait five minutes. It’ll pass. Like indigestion.

    • BigBoppa ~ Résistent

      Nah. That’s KAC’s new hiding place.

    • keenanjay

      If he ever takes fire and goes down behind enemy lines, he can reverse his suit coat and show the flag for the personnel recovery people. Cause without that, he would look kinda enemy. At least from my cockpit.

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    In Amsterdam we are printing 25.000 extra ballots to make sure everyone can vote. It’s a precaution, we haven’t run out but it’s a sign people want to have their voice heard. God, I am proud of my little country.

    http://www.at5.nl/artikelen/166847/heel-veel-amsterdammers-naar-de-stembus-25000-extra-stembiljetten-nodig

    • The Flaming Carrot

      Give Geert Wilders a solid thumping for us. With votes.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Fingers crossed

      • Edith Prickly

        Geert Wilders reminds me of Willem Dafoe playing the Green Goblin. Total creeper.

    • Wild Cat

      Since I visit your country often and avoid politics, who should I root against aside from Wilders? Is Turkish interference being taken seriously by any of the parties and/or citizens. Dank u well.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        No one really .I am not a big fan of Mark Rutte’s VVD but he is a decent bloke. Turkish Interference is taken very seriously by the entire EU. Today Polish Donald Tusk who now represents the EU leadership spoke to the EU in Dutch(!) Condemning Erdogan and speaking of the fact that The Netherlands IS the EU, Fighting for equal right for everyone, resisting the Nazi’s during WW2 and Rotterdam, the city where the Turks wanted to gather for their referendum propaganda was destroyed in WW2 and nowadays has a Major of Moroccon descent.

        • Wild Cat

          Ja, I heard voting was heavy, and coalitions will probably keep the VVD in power. One blog or paper I read earlier said Turkish interference may aid the VVD.
          I’m worried about Amsterdam. The city is retreating from its openness. I know real estate values are a big factor, but over the years I’ve been offered free drinks from bartenders because I’m “white”; an elderly poet stopped me once in the Jordaan and lamented that the youth were going all nazi (she was exaggerating, of course, but you could see how afraid she was).

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            There are some problems with anti-semitism from Islamic youth but it is mostly barking not biting. We need to take this very seriously but not exaggerate it either. It’s not like the Paris Banlieu’s but yes we have some problems when it comes to Judea-Islamic relationships.

            Lot’s of Jewish documentary makers went to these neighbourhoods and were treated respectfully and when in disccusion they were told where the real grievance was. The west’s approach towards the middle east and Palestine in general. In the end no one really hated jews but they needed to find a way to express their frustration. Totally different to for example France where Islamic frenchmen arre treated as second rate citizens.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Apropos of nothing in particular-other than my own curiosity-but isn’t Robin van Persie’s wife Muslim? Does he take a public stand on issues like this? Does anybody there give a shit what a (fading) football superstar thinks?

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            Bouchra is muslim, No idea if practising but nobody in the Netherlands really gives a shit what our celebrities are thinking when it comes to politics. (very healthy IMHO)

          • Wild Cat

            Well, in about 10 visits I’ve had no physical incidents except when a young Islamic man saw I was an American (white sneakers and jeans) and grabbed me as a joke and said: “CIA!” I just pushed him off me and kept walking—it was near the old RLD, so characters there can always be shady.
            If Wilders wins big, please advise me if I should vacation in the Netherlands again or if you think a boycott is in order. I have mixed feelings about tourism in NYC—we’re anti-fascist in general, we need the dollars, but there are a lot of bad actors in NYC, including the fool in the WH. kjs591atjuno.com

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            Don’t be so cynical, man. There is absolutely no reason to not go on vacation in The Netherlands. Just as you said: The worse experience you had was someone making a joke. Hell, I will be more then willing to take you on a tour of The Hague as an Histiorian and Dutchy. :)

    • The Wanderer

      As you should be. Holland has a proud history.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Let’s hope we can still be at midnight.

    • BadKitty904

      It’s sounding like y’all have certainly earned that right.

      Gouda on y’all!!!!

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Let’s hope all those votes don’t go to Gerrtje Wilders after all.

        • BadKitty904

          Beware Putin…

    • Yay paper ballots as opposed to easily, easily hackable voting machines!

  • Sardonicuss

    Okay…now starting to worry.
    …ahem.
    HELLO?…HELLO?
    Wonkapeoples?!

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      Is that Hot Pockets done?…Can I have it?…

      • Sardonicuss

        Just imagining those black helicopters with TRUMP on the side…descending on houses in various states.

        • Shoto

          Shroud yourself in aluminum foil and they’ll never be able to find you.

          • Sardonicuss

            Maybe Doc, Evan and all were out of Reynolds wrap?

    • The Wanderer

      Is it wrong of me that I wave my private parts at the microwave ever since KAC’s revelation about appliances being used as spy devices?

      • Thaumaturgist

        You wave your private parts at your microwave? You must be an athiest like Ron Reagan. You have no fear of burning in hell for the rest of eternity.

        • The Wanderer

          I figure if people are going to point cameras at me, the least I can do is put on a show.

      • Um, no, no it’s not.

      • The images are clear and did you know that antibiotics will sort out your little problem

      • Longstreet63

        I never needed that excuse.

  • BosGrl

    I know this is long but it comes from a smart FB friend who gave permission to share, provided I didn’t give her name:

    “I see so many people did not get the point. Two pages of his 2005 tax return were sent to Trump’s nemesis, David Cay Johnson, who has been following him and his tax schemes for 2 decades. They showed how much income he made in 2005 ($150 million, which isn’t much for a billionaire.) But he was so spooked at the idea that this was coming tonight that he released that figure himself before the show even started. (Supposedly he paid $35 million in taxes, but don’t believe that. He payed $4 million in income taxes, and the rest $31 million in the Alternative Minimum tax, which is meant to make sure millionaires pay their fair share, and which he is itching to get rid of.) But what those 2 pages didn’t tell us where his income came from. Don’t be fooled thinking this is a distraction. THIS IS EVERYTHING.

    Her “A” block, the top of the show, was about his connections to the Russian fertilizer king, the MKATE plane, and his yacht. Think about Putin, the Ukraine connection; all of the Cabinet members with ties to Russia. How about the banks that he uses? The Bank of Cyprus, which is directly connected to Secretary of Commerce, Wilbur Ross. The dead Russians. All of this is brought up at the top of the show.

    Rachel continued on the Lawrence O’Donnell show, as did David Cay Johnson. (And Joy Reid tweeted throughout the 2 hours so I consider her part of the team, as well as Chris Hayes.) Flynn, Putin, Tillerson, etc. Trump Towers Instanbul. It turns out that the return was marked “Client Copy” so that it came either from Trump or someone who had access to his returns. Was it a distraction from the healthcare fight? No, it was just opening another front to expose Trump and his illegal, immoral, and absolutely untenable position in our White House.”

    • Yup. I’m surprised RM and Co. didn’t catch on to that.

    • Vincent Ricola

      But… but… no pee pee hookers smoking gun like I believe I was promised in a tweet. :(

      • BosGrl

        Well, yeah, we all want to see that video!

        • MynameisBlarney

          Uh…not me.

        • Toomush_Inferesistance

          I’d like to show it in a few churches…

        • I want someone to see it so I can verify that it exists, but someone else can burn their retinas, thanks.

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      Thank you.

  • laughingnome

    The Trump Administration: Raising troubling questions daily.

    • OrG

      Hourly?

      • Pisto75666

        Minutely? (sorry if that’s not a word.)

        • Oblios_Cap

          Secondly?

          • BosGrl

            Bigly.

          • YoBunnyBunny

            BIGLY!!!

          • MissNomer

            Constantly.

  • Red Bird Ω

    The real question is whether or not couple’s massages are still a “thing” these days.

    • Alan

      I did that with my wife once. The problem arose when I said dibs on the pretty masseuse.

    • BosGrl

      Unless you are touching each other, I don’t really see the point?

  • coozledad

    Hee hee heee haw haw.
    http://www.joemygod.com/2017/03/15/oklahoma-cops-find-gop-state-senator-trump-campaign-chair-hotel-room-teen-boy/

    Republicans can’t get enough of that childtang. They don’t have sex so much as play “Risk’ with their dicks.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      saw that on rawstory

    • Sigh. Yet again.

    • Pisto75666

      The ‘Family Values’ party strikes again!

    • The Wanderer

      Repressing their urges just makes the semen back up into the brain, frying synapses left and right and causing them to go all freaky.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      He was helping the boy to “prey away the ghey”?

      • The Wanderer

        Using the Carnal Prayer Mat.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Damn, it’s always, always, ALWAYS projection with these assholes. Every last fucking bit of it. ALWAYS.

    • That guy looks like a bear with a sore head

    • Pinkham’s Law

      I don’t see the problem. He did ask for two beds.

    • janecita

      The comments on that story are hilarious!

  • AnnieGetYerFun

    “I don’t know much….”

    And you can just stop right there, Donald Trump Jr.

  • Swampay

    There’s actually a lot of good meat here in this release and it gives us, I think, some interesting lines of questioning.

    Assumptions: I assume it was in fact Trump who released this document. If so, we can expect that it is a year that shows him in a particularly good light.

    Regardless of where it came from, the Trump response (neener-neener-neener) I think gives us leverage to say, “ok, if this is such good news for you please release the details of this tax filing and all others.”

    Line 21 shows “Other Income – list type and amount” of -$103m. That can’t all be holdover from the billion dollar loss in the 90s can it?

    There are 3 questions we want answered via the tax returns.
    1. Has Donny paid a reasonable amount of taxes? 25% is – not great. Not as bad as we might have thought, but not great. Less than I paid in 2005, that’s for sure. Note that without AMT he’d have paid bupkis. Keep an eye on that when the Repos want to defang AMT.

    2. What does his income say about his net worth? Net worth is important because it establishes how big a liar he is (or isnt! We don’t know!). This is most interesting in the recession and post-recession years. How badly did Donny need money?

    An income of $150m is consistent with a net worth of $3b. Average stock market returns in 2005 were 5%.

    3. Who are the parties who are paying him? No new info there. I assume that even when (if?) we get it, most of the trails will lead to the Cayman Islands or Swiss bank accounts, but I’m betting that there’s enough there to find some really nasty deals.

    My belief remains: Trump’s businesses crashed in the recession. He was bailed out by Russians and other nefarious people using him for money laundering and other corrupt dealing.

    • Shoto

      “Trump’s businesses crashed in the recession. He was bailed out by
      Russians and other nefarious people using him for money laundering and
      other corrupt dealing.”

      That’s my guess. Accordingly, the returns post-recession would be the most revealing / damning.

  • Bill D. Burger

    Mad Dog has wandered off script and, if not careful, is gonna’ get a tweetin’ by Hair Furor.

    [3/15/17: Defense Secretary James Mattis Breaks With Other Cabinet Members On Climate Change
    Mattis said that climate change is real and threatening global stability.
    Andrew Revkin ProPublica

    Secretary of Defense James Mattis has asserted that climate change is real, and a threat to American interests abroad and the Pentagon’s assets everywhere, a position that appears at odds with the views of the president who appointed him and many in the administration in which he serves.
    “Climate change is impacting stability in areas of the world where our troops are operating today,” Mattis said in written answers to questions posed after the public hearing by Democratic members of the committee. “It is appropriate for the Combatant Commands to incorporate drivers of instability that impact the security environment in their areas into their planning.”

    Mattis has long espoused the position that the armed forces, for a host of reasons, need to cut dependence on fossil fuels and explore renewable energy where it makes sense. He had also, as commander of the U.S. Joint Forces Command in 2010, signed off on the Joint Operating Environment, which lists climate change as one of the security threats the military expected to confront over the next 25 years.]

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/james-mattis-climate-change_us_58c92f8ae4b01c029d77a713?oxiop5o2hoz3vunmi&amp;

    • The Wanderer

      The entire Pentagon feels that climate change is a thing; they’ve been developing contingencies for it for years.

      • Sedagive ’em Hell

        I’ve always wondered why that never got more traction in the press (and with the GOP.)

        The freakin’ Pentagon thinks that climate change is a very, very serious threat to world stability.

        • The Wanderer

          The usual argument is “The Pentagon always plans for things; it’s what they do, duh.”

          • Sedagive ’em Hell

            Sad, weak.

        • Longstreet63

          Because doing something about stuff is contrary to their ideology. Unless it’s destroying other peoples’ rights. That’s perfectly ok.

        • About a year (?) ago, Esquire had an article re the Pentagon as worried about climate change as a national security matter. AS to refugees, what happens to the residents of our territories that are islands? They are American Nationals and most of them are darker hued. I probably won’t be around by that time (will any of us?) but it makes me wonder how it will be handled.

      • Fartknocker

        They even have a fancy website that Team Dampnut missed in his 1st month:
        https://climateandsecurity.org/tag/department-of-defense/

    • Thiazin Red

      Well he is the sanest most competent one of the bunch. I still predict that he quits relatively soonish.

      • chicken thief

        I suspect that he will make Trump fire him, but ya, a year of tenure would be a generous over/under point.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      In the military, one deals with what is, not one wishes might be.

      Mattis is a professional. He knows the actual score. It’s his fuckin’ job.

      • MizzMazz

        True as that is, it still pissed me off when Cheney said it. Put armor on the goddamn trucks.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          True, and if you see something that needs to be fixed, you make an effort to fix it. von Rumsfailed never grasped that part, because he was wishing so hard for it to happen with his idiot view of the damn situation. GEN Shinseki told him what reality actually was, and Shinseki got early retirement for doing so.

          • MizzMazz

            And the beat goes on. I do not worship at the altar of military, but those are still people out there doing the hard lifting and putting their lives in danger for the War Pigs.

      • keenanjay

        He’s a war-fighting type, for sure. I worked in JFCOM when that was released in 2010. OTOH, he’s did not have much love for large organizational staffs and now he’s bringing the ax to the Joint Staff.
        Keeping my fingers crossed that I survive another bloodletting.

    • Fartknocker

      And the directive to deal with this is pretty clear:

      https://fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/d4715_21.pdf

      Jim Inhofe and Scott Pruitt don’t understand or care about the DOD definition of “actionable science.” They’re too busy sucking APIs dicks and cashing checks.

    • Lefty Frizzell

      I don’t know much at all about Mattis. I’m not saying the info isn’t there, just that I haven’t read it.

      He sounds here like a non-partisan professional, and I’m baffled as to how he got where he is.

    • Lurkylu

      oh my god, an adult is in the room! saying responsible things! i would like to see him and Pruitt do some bareknuckles boxing over this matter.

  • bookish

    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/15/trump-helped-write-obamacare-replacement-bill-speaker-ryan-says.html?__source=google%7Ceditorspicks%7C&par=google&google_editors_picks=true

    You wrote it, you own it.

    House Speaker Paul Ryan said Wednesday that President Donald Trump and a Senate committee helped write the House’s embattled replacement plan for Obamacare.

    And the Wisconsin Republican insisted that “major components” of that bill will stay in place.

    Ryan’s comments on Fox Business News came as conservatives and other critics of the bill, which would repeal and replace key parts of the Affordable Care Act, clamored for changes.

    • The Wanderer

      ZEGS trying to spread the blame, huh?

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Misery not only loves company nowadays, misery DEMANDS it.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      Paul Ryan has been a high school bully for way too long to think that’s going to work.

    • Vincent Ricola

      As a very smart supervisor once told my very stupid coworker: “Dave, it’s time for you to stop trying to bring other people into the issue and own your code.”

    • I was going to say “Dampnut’s part was the bit written in crayon”, but with these fucknozzles, that’s most likely all of it, Katie.

  • Daniel Hooper

    “Before Maddow went to air Wednesday night…”

    Unless Wonkette’s trying to predict the future, I’m guessing they meant Tuesday night. As for the actual reveal itself… yeah, I’m a bit underwhelmed, but I think that it’s pretty much 50/50 between Maddox’s show and people’s personal beliefs as to who’s responsible for the letdown. I’d also like to think Maddow has enough sense to know that this ultimately isn’t a huge deal in of itself. Maybe she’s reporting it as a sign of good faith to whoever sent the first bit and hoping they’ll send more?

    Maybe Trump sent it as a distraction? You can never guess with this administration.

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    OT, but ATTENTION AMAZON SHOPPERS:
    If you’re fixin’ to buy stuff online, do it tomorrow: For 24 hours*, Amazon is giving 5% of everything spent to (your choice of) charity. Considering the ridiculous volume they do, 5% is a shitload of money.
    Use the link smile.amazon.com

    *midnight-to-midnight, Pacific Time.

    • Shanzgood

      Use this link and Wonkette gets money

      https://www.amazon.com/?tag=wonkette0f-20

      • Lord Jim

        Howz baconz? I kow there’s not a damn thing I can actually DO, I guess periodically asking is just my way not to forget. Thus do even friends fall thru the cracks.

        • Shanzgood

          He had an interview today and should hear back soon! I don’t know when they’ll let him out if he DOES get it, though, so one thing at a time.

          • Lord Jim

            Thanks so much.

    • ziggywiggy

      Amazonsmile is an ongoing program. Unless you have some special info they give .5%. All charities have received $46,126,473.56 as of February 2017
      “The AmazonSmile Foundation will donate 0.5% of the purchase price from your eligible AmazonSmile purchases.” Just looked it up, you are right about a one day deal.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        Tomorrow is 10x.

        • I use Smile so now I’ll have to order more stuff. If you buy at least $25 in books, shipping is free. I can always find something to buy.
          I give to the ASPCA. I will give to Wonkette at the end of the month when I see how much is anything is left over.

  • Crystalclear12

    Cries can be heard from the Republican side of Washington:

    But governing haaaaaaarrrrrrdddddd!

  • Bill D. Burger

    Trump talks to Ryan about accepting responsibility for the ~snort~ Republican healthcare replacement plan.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/197e2980a1b5e57063a153656b56c44c516a705889a01de0707c6752be82e6f2.jpg

    • The Wanderer

      D’aww!

    • The Witch of Endor

      Oh sqeeeeeeee.

    • boyblue122

      Trump makes empty promises then blames everyone else when he cant fulfill them…surprise

      Same deal with the botched seal team raid..blame someone else when things go sideways

  • Niblet58

    Trump’s peeps released this ONE year because it was the only one that was clean. Why was it clean, because his marriage to Melania happened that year and HER tax returns (these were jointly filed) had to be clean for her citizenship to smoothly sail through.

    • Bill D. Burger

      But WAS it clean? The additional 500 to 1500 pages that we don’t have of that year’s returns, the pages that showed the myriad dealings with various banks around the world and the flow of monies through those banks from various Trump holdings are the REAL meat of the 2005 tax returns. That 2 page blurb is the ‘tip’ and not the iceberg.

    • Darlene Underdahl

      I’ll bet you’re right.

  • Nick Scroggs
  • Mr. Blobfish

    The lack of posts is making me actually do the job I am paid to do. Not cool.

    • I know, right??? I’ve already cleared 5 things off my desk today!

      • Oblios_Cap

        They’ll expect us to actually work from now on.

      • natoslug

        I do that every day, no matter how busy. Of course, I use the cat method of just shoving stuff off the side onto the floor, hoping at least some of it will land in the bin.

    • Vincent Ricola

      I’m even replying to emails in a timely manner. It’s setting a bad precedent.

      • proudgrampa

        Shame!

    • natoslug

      My billing team is now screaming at me because I was productive and did what they asked for and now there are four years’ worth of previously unrated CDR line items showing up under the current invoicing period. I blame both the billing team for not thinking about what they really wanted (which was for someone to delete anything that might be over 3 months overdue, and then fix their rating issue) and Wonkette for providing me a break to actually get some work done.

      • Sardonicuss

        Headline:
        Obscure Mommy Blog goes Silent. U.S. Productivity Skyrockets!

        • Oblios_Cap

          Obscure?! It’s been mention by Rachel Maddow.

          • Sister the Resister

            “The Best Website In The World” or sumpin like that, right?

          • ahughes798

            And Wonkette is on Alex Jones’s hate list, right?

      • eggsacklywright

        Goddam TPM reports.

    • sgt. jmk of the résistance

      I know, right? I’ve almost finished the text I promised for Friday. What the hell???

    • Tiny kaiju

      I have a day off but lack of Wonkette is making me clean up the mirror the cats broke 2 nights ago.

    • JustDon’tSayDieInJail

      IK,R? I may actually release a spec today. WTF is up with meeting milestones?

  • TJ Barke

    We can has new thread? This one is getting unpleasant.

    • Pinkham’s Law

      They’re working on it. I took a peek when I was home for lunch.

      • TJ Barke

        Lots of trolls out this morning. Like they had a directive.

        • sgt. jmk of the résistance

          Yup… I thought the same…and it occurred to me that we know it’s always projection with them, and they spend a lot of time accusing us of being paid…so it seems reasonable to conclude that they’re here on assignment.

      • Longstreet63

        Where are your priorities, man?

    • Nick Scroggs

      How about something more pleasant? Like a random Broadway number. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iYDjKB4zrE

  • Nick Scroggs

    Also, why is it that independent journalism (reporting and investigation) seems to be getting more and more consolidated instead of diversified? I mean, with the internet, new technologies, etc., you’d think that there’d be a lot more Woodwards and Bernsteins out there starting their own reporting blogs or podcasts or something. Instead, it seems a lot more concentrated in the hands of a few sites, and others are ineffectual, strident, or clickbait. What’s happening?

    • Longstreet63

      Those things pay the bills. Investigative reporting is expensive and difficult. Being heard is even more expensive.

    • Serai 1

      Finally feeling the effects of all those newspapers closing, are we?

      • Nick Scroggs

        Pretty much, I mean I’m relatively young and still like physical papers rather than online “infobites” if that’s a word.

        • Serai 1

          If there’s one thing that defines the human race, it’s our utter inability to take the future into account. For all that we go on about humans being able to imagine the future, we sure as shit are unwilling to do anything about it. (Which rather brings up the question of whether it’s actually worth the mess.)

          • ahughes798

            I think a few(very few)have. DaVinci comes to mind.

          • Serai 1

            He made a lot of nice drawings, sure.

          • ahughes798

            Yes, but he also drew airplanes and other things that actually came into being. So he was looking at the future, sometimes.

    • ahughes798

      Doing that level of investigative journalism is probably pretty expensive, so maybe that’s why?

  • Toomush_Inferesistance

    Did the Rooshians close down Wonkette? Dok? Editrix?….Anypony?…

    • natoslug

      They’re observing “A Day Without a Wonkette.” Finally, a protest that is getting people talking!

    • Bill D. Burger
    • laughingnome

      Something is happening but we don’t know what it is do we wonketariat?

      • Oblios_Cap

        Something’s happening here. What it is ain’t exactly clear.

      • natoslug

        It’s really bad form to hold the annual WonkOrgy without inviting the commentariat.

    • Longstreet63

      Somebody check the FEMA camps!

      • laughingnome

        Already did. Anybody check under the Walmarts?

        • C4TWOMAN

          Kmarts?

  • Oblios_Cap

    The crew must all be tripping in the chat cave today.

    • Sardonicuss

      Dissent will not be tolerated.
      The Trumpening begins!!

      • laughingnome

        Decency will bot be tolerated

        • natoslug

          Don’t worry — an hour on the interwebz, and your most decent decency bot will be transformed a raging Nazi bot.

          • Sister the Resister

            Or some kind of raging and/or confused bot….
            I’m not sure what I learned earlier when I googled “My Little Pony plotting” for an image… for reasons beyond me, you get lots of sexy pony butts. I just don’t even want to know…

        • JustDon’tSayDieInJail

          pants will bot be assimilated

  • OneYieldRegular

    1020 comments? Just since I rode the train down here?

    One has to love DT jr. not distinguishing between $38 million and $40 million, as though $2 million is just nothing to this family.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Change one finds under the cushions of one of those gold leafed couches.

    • tomamitai

      Wow, I guess my elders were right when they said you only really appreciate the things you’ve worked for.

  • Antonin Dvorak
    • Edith Prickly

      yay, Wonkette is not broked!

      • sgt. jmk of the résistance

        I was worrying…

  • Shibusa
    • boyblue122

      When you can golf an still get things done unlike Drumpf lol

      • GodEmperorCaptainHowdy

        And also actually golf.

    • GodEmperorCaptainHowdy

      Bam Bam!

  • Sardonicuss

    Whew! That was skeery.
    I thought everyone in here was about to resort to cannibalism.

  • ~ ☆ míkhαílα ☆ ~ 【忠実反抗】

    CALM DOWN INTERNETS AND TWEETERS.

    It took a long while to bring Nixon down with Watergate, and it’s gonna take a while too (unfortunately) to bring down Generalissimo Crotchgrabber with Rooskiegate. Though unlike Nixon, Trump has literally no fucking clue how to hide things or let things go like a somewhat normal person, so who knows?

    • Rick Hill

      Calm your twits?

    • Sister the Resister

      Yeah, the Watergate break-in was a small potatoes local story at first. It wasn’t so much the break-in, as the crack that event opened, that revealed the really scary stuff.

      • ~ ☆ míkhαílα ☆ ~ 【忠実反抗】

        Hm, well…the whole thing with Drumpf colluding (maybe!) with the Rooskies is definitely bigger than Watergate ever was, so things might leak faster than an old rusty tub once they do.

    • Alunthe

      For sure Trump is unlike most, he usually tells on himself with his projectionism and blaming things on others before he does it himself.

  • Stephanie Rakowski

    I’m surprised the fact that Drumpf’s tax reform proposal wants to eliminate the ATM wasn’t more tied into this story. Without it, he would have paid 4%.

    • ZangoCrudmonger

      I’ve heard it tossed around already. Hopefully it will gain traction as more people are introduced to the AMT for the very first time. It is rarely brought up at all. (Edited my post for AMT, alternative minimum tax)

      • Stephanie Rakowski

        Yes and I need to stop not checking damn AUTOCORRECT for how things come in but, to your point, that’s why pieces like this need to make a bigger deal. It shows his callousness to the responsibility of being an American while enjoying the privileges

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  • Shibusa
    • Serai 1

      And guess who those 2% are?

  • Tiny kaiju

    Total OT, apologies to those offended by that sort of thing and by ant farms.
    Smeg, defeated by technology again does anyone know how to download photos from iPad to Wonkette?

    • Scrofula

      I think you have to just print them out and mail them, Wonkette c/o Montana. I’m sure the USPS knows where that is.

    • Johnatx

      No, but have you tried the microwave oven? I hear they do all sorts of amazing things

      • Tiny kaiju

        The mice in the missing photo would not like that at all.

    • Granny Sprinkles

      You can’t just click on the little picture icon thingy to the left of the post button?

      • Tiny kaiju

        Thank you! That worked perfectly. I’m always missing someone that’s been in front of my face the whole time.

  • Résistance Land Shark Ω

    Rachel is giving me a man boner. That is all.

    • GodEmperorCaptainHowdy

      She would give me one if she had a weiner.

      • ahughes798

        She is an attractive, intelligent woman with a good sense of humor. I think she’d be fun to have a drink with!

  • Yr. Gma

    If I remember correctly, I think Yr. Gma cautioned against getting too crazy about the tax thing after Rachel’s tweet. One could do worse than to listen to Yr. Gma’s wise counsel. (Yr. Gma has lived a long time and knows shit.)

  • John Eby

    This isn’t why Maddow sucks. She sucks because she is carrying water for the corporatist wing of the DNC. This was the internet projecting as mentioned in the article, and I don’t fault her.for the OMG we got him reaction.

    • yyyaz

      Fail.

      • John Eby

        Yes mainstream.wealthy journalists consumed by the need for “access” have failed us. Especially the ones who cover for the neoliberals who have lost the state houses, Governor’s mansions, Congress, Senate and finally the White House. The people for whom she carries water have destroyed the Democratic party as she cheers them on. So yeah she is a massive fail.

        • The Witch of Endor

          No true Scotsman….

          • John Eby

            Can you point out where I tried to deflect some.sort of blame by association by claiming no true whatever would do whatever? Which is the essence of that argument.

          • The Witch of Endor
          • ahughes798

            That would make a really nice watercolour.

          • The Witch of Endor

            Seriously, sir/madam, if you can’t see the obvious correlation, it’s not incumbent on me to educate you. However, I will leave you with this:

            According to you Rachel Maddow is a water carrier–therefore not a true journalist…

            I hope the hint(s) weren’t too obscure.

            Hugs & kisses

            TheWitch

          • John Eby

            Well again that isn’t the no true Scotsman argument. Here.let me help. The no true Scotsman argument fallacy is a reinterpretation of evidence to prevent refutation of ones position. What evidence did I try to reinterpret? I gave an opinion of her and what she does. No evidence was presented that I tried to twist.

            So I hope that helps.

          • The Witch of Endor

            To the best of my knowledge Rachel Maddow doesn’t carry water for anyone. You keep insisting that she does, the implication being that she’s no true journalist. I’m sorry that laying it out for you in the starkest of terms bothers you (well, no I’m not ’cause your a idiot) but that’s just reality. But, please, keep thinking you’re in a true philosophical debate.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ba6b242e92dbee05862dba74620b778c8e93abdf8e921ffa1f5ae22779f639f6.jpg

          • John Eby

            As far as you know isn’t evidence it’s an opinion.Evidence must be presented before a no true Scotsman argument can be had.

            By the way did I call you names or denigrate you? No. I expressed an opinion you don’t like. Then you tried to make it into an argument that want being had. Maybe you still don’t understand I the term you are using or maybe you I just don’t care i don’t know. And then because your argument is so weak you had to go to name calling. So believe me I know we are not engaged in a true philosophical argument you just proved that.

          • The Witch of Endor

            In all seriousness, seek help.

          • John Eby

            Yes because I’m.the one getting angry, insulting someone’ and implying they have an emotional/mental problem over a difference of opinion.

            Have a lovely evening.

          • The Witch of Endor

            I’m genuinely sorry you feel that way. I’m not angry in any way, shape, or form. I don’t know if that helps, but I hope it does.

    • GodEmperorCaptainHowdy

      How’s that Bernie landslide working out for you?

      • John Eby

        Better than 20+ years of neoliberalism is working out for the Democratic party.

        • Leliel

          So, you’re busy steaming in envy that we have our shit together enough to call out one of our own for being mildly disappointing while you’re still whining about primaries?

          But it’s ideological pure primaries, somehow, so eh.

          • John Eby

            You guys love strawmen
            Please point out where I mentioned the primaries in any way. Here I’ll save you a moment of actual reading. I never did. And I also said it seems kind of silly for people to be mad at Maddow because they projected their own wants on to her story. But you go on congratulating yourself on your superiority.

          • Leliel

            Why thank you! I scored in third at the Neoliberal Olympics at Grandstanding.

            More seriously, though: WE are projecting OUR wants?

            Read your own op, hypocrite.

          • John Eby

            I said the internet and people. I didn’t point to you or anyone specifically. And I was just reiterating what the article said but thanks for playing.

          • Leliel

            Ah, so you can’t actually answer my accusation.

            No, thank YOU for the win.

          • John Eby

            Which accusation is it you think I can’t answer exactly?

          • MissNomer

            Here’s a clue: people who go on and on about “neoliberalism” and “corporatist wing of the DNC” are the same people who cling to their delusions that the primary was rigged and BS could have won. We’ve seen plenty of you; you’re easy to identify. You all sound exactly alike, which is a sure sign that you’re all brainwashed to some degree. Because we’ve heard all your nonsense dozens if not hundreds of times, we don’t have to pay attention to you.

        • ahughes798

          It’s worked well, hasn’t it? /s

    • The Witch of Endor
      • GodEmperorCaptainHowdy

        Oh gahd teh purity.

    • keenanjay

      Dafuq?

    • Jennaratrix

      Is this my nephew? Quick, tell me what taxation is.

      • John Eby

        You really thought that was a good response? The duckling is so far the best reply anyone has made. So cute.

        You guys seem to lean pretty heavily on deflection, strawmen and tangents. Not very good debate strategy.

        By the way how would I know who you are? All comfy there behind your screen name anonymity.

        Lastly I haven’t been rude to anyone or deflected or brought up a strawmen or cited an argument not being made. It’s easy to discuss things that way when facts and reality are on your side. You guys might want to give that a try.

        • ahughes798

          The guy below( the blue bird) is some kind of Kingfisher, not a duck. Maybe a Belted Kingfisher. I don’t know enough about Maddow to know if she is an establishment Dem, or not. I do know that I agree with most of what she says. I don’t watch her a lot, mainly because it feels, to me, that she talks to her viewers like they don’t know much, and haven’t picked up a book since high school. That’s just my opinion.

          • Tiny kaiju

            I think she claimed once to be an Eisenhower Republican. Not sure what the current equivalent is.

          • ahughes798

            Left of center Democrat.

          • John Eby

            Before the kingfisher someone posted a duckling.

          • ahughes798

            Oh, okay. Sorry!

          • John Eby

            No problem easy to miss

          • GodEmperorCaptainHowdy

            Never a dangerous assumption with the American public. I think it is also good for things to have historical context and dots that connect, which is absent elsewhere in the news media.

          • ahughes798

            I think I probably know a few people who choose to remain incurious. Maybe it makes life easier for them. And if it does, good for them!

        • Jennaratrix

          You seem nice.

    • leemoder
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  • Teto85

    It wasn’t the Ark of the Covenant, but it also wasn’t Al Capone’s safe.

    If everything was ok 12 years ago, what has happened since?

    • GodEmperorCaptainHowdy

      How about the year he got 19% of Rosneft? That must be real interesting.

      • DerpyGurdyMan

        Ros…Neft

  • Cable “news” channels = political entertainment

    http://www.aljazeera.com/ was the best actual news programming among my satellite channels, but sadly it was removed. BBC is offered, but only if I pay extra.

    There is, however, no shortage of Christian religious channels or home shopping choices.

    • ahughes798

      I like al Jazeera and the BBC for reporting the news. I no longer trust US media because it reports one side of an issue, then the other side of the issue, to be “fair.” Journalism isn’t supposed to be fair in that way, it’s supposed to be facts. Facts don’t have sides.

    • Teecha

      If you have a VPN, you can watch BBC news on their website/app. As long as your VPN is set to UK, and you are ok with lying when answering the pop up question ‘do you have a current TV licence?’

  • chiefkurtz

    Uh….you realize she knew what was on the returns BEFORE going live on the air, right? It kind of defeats the reactions that it unmasked an ‘agenda’ of one sort or another.

    You see, if THAT were the case, she could simply NOT go live with the returns, amirite?

    Whether it’s a Trump contrived distraction from the healthcare fight, Rachel’s show, and the continuation on Lawrence was on the topic of Trump’s business connections to Russian oligarchs, the mafia, other foreign governments, etc.; what business interests he holds, to whom is he indebted, how will the presidency benefit those business interests, and what pressure can be made to bear on him by those to whom he is indebted.

    Donald Jr.’s tweetstorm is as infantile as any of this father’s, and betrays either a woeful lack of understanding, or an abundance of understanding, camouflaged as ill tempered bluster.

  • Pookabun

    Well if Rachel wasn’t so great so much of the time then people wouldn’t be so freaked out when they get a moment of meh (which let’s face it, it kind of was). So really she has only herself to blame.

  • Iron Monkey

    One of the Trumpanzies leaked (to use the word incorrectly) a couple of pages of a tax return that showed he paid some taxes. Rachel Maddow may have bitten a little too hard on the bait but nothing really changes. Trump is still and asshole and Maddow is still vitally important.

  • Matt Campbell

    British documentary explaining the philosophical approach of Trump’s cabinet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBHHFnUqo5o

    • Tiny kaiju

      Peter Cook at his best. What is this from?

      • Matt Campbell

        Whoops Apocalypse.
        There was both a TV Series and movie also too.
        I think this is from the movie.
        I believe the TV series is on YouTube in its entirety.
        Seems quite appropriate for what we’re currently going through.

    • davidhollenshead

      Very British, but then so was Torries being found hanging from a noose, wearing pantyhose with an orange in their mouth.

    • ahughes798

      Looks like Trumpcare in action!

  • whitroth

    1. Are you sure all the meltdown of nothingburger is from lib’ruls?
    2. And two pages… I’d like to see ALL the rest. Hell, my now-ex and I filed um, five? six pages, and Trumpolini’s got orders of magnitude more money.
    3. Oh, and the reporter who provided them to Rachel? Who Trumpolini says “who ever heard of him?” Ah, I guess nobody… other than the Pulitzer Prize committee….

    In summation, let me say this about that: Donald, you ignorant slut!

    • chiefkurtz

      That Trump, Trump, Jr. and the WH is falling over themselves with smug ‘So, she proved he paid taxes, knew it all along’ BS distracts from the point of releasing his tax returns: Who has Trump’s nuts in a vice in Russia, the Middle East, and the Balkans, and what will Trump do to keep them from crushing them, and is an attempt to frame a narrative and project it.

      Trump’s creating the strawman that the left wants his returns to prove he paid no taxes, when that isn’t it at all. Rachel and Lawrence went deeply into that last night, as anyone who watched it would attest.

      • britishvoiceman

        Well said. Trump and co. are also apparently too stupid to realize that we remember that he boasted about paying “hundreds of millions” in taxes on the campaign trail and responded to Hillary Clinton’s claim that he hadn’t paid Federal income tax for years with “That makes me smart”, so a 1040 which shows he paid $38 million in taxes in 2005, demonstrates with crystal clarity that both statements were flat-out lies.

        • Damon Poeter

          You’re right, of course, but the problem is that this particular set of lies is not really made to be glaring and contemptible in most people’s minds by the revelation that he paid $38 million in taxes in 2005 (if he really did, but the CW takeaway now is that he really did). Many, many, many people now think that the question of whether Trump never pays taxes has been put to rest because, look! Even liberal MSNBC admits he paid a fuckton in taxes! Even more than Bernie Sanders! or whatever. How it plays in Peoria is hackneyed tedium but it’s also a real thing. If Breitbart had broken the 2005 tiny fragment of a tax return story, we’d be better positioned to mock it. Since RM did, that becomes trickier. This was a tactical defeat. Not the end of the world but still a setback.

        • davidhollenshead

          “demonstrates with crystal clarity that both statements were flat-out lies”
          When Führer Trump speaks, he is usually lying, about 76% of the time.

    • CatCafe #ShePurrsisted

      I agree, I think there’s a lot of meltdown that’s troll-manufactured.

    • Vacuous Virgina

      What’s all this talk about Taxi reruns?

      Never mind 😉

  • britishvoiceman

    The 1040 is clearly stamped “Client Copy”, which means that Trump himself, or someone close to him deliberately leaked this to the media, almost definitely as a distraction from the investigation into his Russian connections – and let’s not forget that Rachel spent the first half of her program talking about those, before moving on to the tax form.

  • Damon Poeter

    Nah. RM screwed up and probably got played. She made Trump look good in an only-if-you-don’t-look-really-hard way. That’s worth noting and she should feel some shame over this. You’re right that it’s not worth getting too freaked out about, so long as her next act isn’t to give us a 20-minute history lesson on how Steve Bannon is a racist piece of shit before revealing never-before-seen video of this one time he teared up watching MLK’s I Have A Dream speech.

    • I hate when women go on and on and on and on about a thing and give historic context to stuff. GRRR.

      • ahughes798

        I hate it when ANYONE goes on and on and on about stuff most of us already know!

        • Damon Poeter

          And then the payoff is the opposite of the point they were trying to make.

        • mmm. Except most of us do not already knewed all that stuff. Wonks might because we pay attention. The rest of the people? *glances at twitter* not so much!
          So there is that.

          • ahughes798

            I did not mean to imply that she doesn’t talk about stuff that really does need a good, in-depth explanations, even for us Wonks. I meant that sometimes it seems she spends too much time explaining things that seem to be either well known, or just common sense. Then again, you’re correct that a lot of peoples on the intertubes are a couple bricks shy of a load.

      • Damon Poeter

        Yeah, I deserved that. Sorry for the tone of the comment, the segment really ticked me off.

        • Is ok, but out of all of this, THAT is what is bugging me the worst.
          The front stuff was good. It connected everything and gave context. And people SCREAMED their heads off at her.
          Was irritating

      • GodEmperorCaptainHowdy

        ‘S what happens when you let ’em get out of the kitchen.

    • britishvoiceman

      Read the tweets by Trump and Trump jr.They are both clearly too stupid to realize that a 1040 which is stamped “Client Copy” could only have come from them – maybe Rachel got played, but they’re clearly busted.

      • Damon Poeter

        If it’s even real, which we have to take the WH’s word on. Thing is, they want to be ‘busted’ on stuff like this, which in their world pads their reps as canny manipulators of the press. Much as we all know Putin loves that people think he manipulated the US presidential election.

        • britishvoiceman

          Read the tweets by Trump and Donald Jr – they’re not even attempting to deny it’s real.

      • CatCafe #ShePurrsisted

        I don’t see it this way. Anyone can xerox. Or buy a stamp that says “client copy.”

        • davidhollenshead

          The real client copy will have the stamp in the correct location, and it will be an actual ink stamp.

          • CatCafe #ShePurrsisted

            Exactly. And at least as far as the copies I get from my CPA go, the stamp is RED.

          • davidhollenshead

            Exactly, and the reason I always sign in blue ink.

        • britishvoiceman

          Then why would Trump claim that the 1040 had been stolen? – both he and Donald Jr. have made it clear that the document is real, so who else would have had access to it and be able to leak it?

    • Maree Martin

      I’m not sure everything Rachel Maddow reports has to be something damaging to Trump. She said they had a portion of Trump’s tax returns. They had a portion of Trump’s tax returns. If Huffington Post had received the returns, guess what: they would have run the story too, even though the returns were not damaging. I think the only ones who were played were the ones who assumed it was the “smoking gun” needed to rid us of the Orange Menace.

      • Damon Poeter

        Well, that’s kinda punching down, don’t you think? I guess I feel better knowing that I just got played by both Donald Trump AND Rachel Maddow?

  • Punkysdilemma

    It seems likely all of it is true. Pussgrab McWeaksad leaked it himself to distract, to show us all how terrific he is at money that one time and that it only took one well worded tweet to get everyone to tune in. Not to mention apparently everyone at MSNBC tweeting out to tune in.

    I’ll admit, I’m a little cranky today. Maybe it’s the time change. Maybe it’s the “Holy fuck this is all so terrifying if I let myself let it all sink in” Maybe it’s the constant questioning of “Is this just a distraction?” Of course it is. It’s all of those.

  • Panika MCD

    so Banana Runtz tried to inflate the amount of taxes paid from $38M to $40M, but fucked up and made it “$40mm”? does that mean that Tsarina Banana Runtz’s Daddy actually paid 40 millimeters of one dollar?

    • Steve-o

      mm is also a business term for million.

      • Perkniticky

        Business term or business media term? MM looks bigger and fancier than M!

        • Steve-o

          Certainly! I think it came from using roman numerals where M meant 1000. I could be wrong though.

          • CatCafe #ShePurrsisted

            I actually looked it up, because I’m nerdy and boring that way. We used to use M for thousands (which came from the Latin, “mille”), when “millions” of dollars were pretty rare, but as millions became more common, they (business) decided on MM for millions. /this has been your daily “boring but sort of interesting” fact

          • miss_grundy

            Or those “Bicentennial Minutes” from back in the day.

          • Vacuous Virgina

            Kindred spirit 😉

            Not bored or boring 😁

      • Panika MCD

        I’ve always seen it as a capital M. don’t know where you saw that.

  • Remember that time Mister Obama released his birth certificate to the clamors of peoples and instead of settling the issue once and for all, it only made the thing persist? Rachel is not so dumb as to not remember this, I hope.

    • Perkniticky

      Is our Democrats learning?

  • Begin Anew Day

    Date 08/15/2047

    EPA Report: Addendum to Site Inventory (attachment to Form 711-G)

    Item #7,621,578 / found and tagged in rubbish heap, second sub-basement, Federal property X-37 TT NYC, NY during EPA site clearance inspection prior to demolition of site. This site, previously known as “Trump Tower”, had been seized by the Federal Government pursuant to Supreme Court Order in 2019. (People of the USA vs. The Horror!)

    Item is a blue, spiral bound notebook approximately 10” in width and 12” in length with 72 pages. Each page covered with handwriting, doodles of nude women, outlines for “secret codes”, phone numbers inside elaborately sketched box frames and miscellaneous scribblings. Three entire pages are concerned with someone named “Vlad” (vampire fetish?) with numerous hearts and flowers drawn around the name (ritual magic?). These pages contain 12 lines of romantic / erotic rhyming poetry rendered with an elaborate cursive script. All pages are covered on both sides. The front cover has “Volume 1” written on it in black marker with lettering that fills the entire cover. No other “volumes” have been found.

    Forensic examination has determined that only one person was the author of the manuscript. That person had achieved a third grade education, was male and had a variety of aliases which changed, at random, throughout the manuscript.

    The contents of the entire document can be summarized thus:
    – graphic and violent threats to enemies and “snoops”
    – praise and obvious hero worship for “The Donald” (aka “The Horror!” since 2018)
    – boasting of sexual prowess and personal skill with “the ladies”
    – generalized bragging
    – professional wrestling (spelled r-a-s-s-l-i-n)
    – “Vlad”

    Although fingerprint examination and vocabulary /syntax evaluation irrefutably reveals the author to be a nine to twelve year old child the author constantly asserts the persona of an adult with a large penis and extensive business experience exploiting “losers”.

    Pending further review we speculate that the document may be the work of a developmentally disabled, and embarrassing, relative that had been secreted away from public view by the family in the tower’s sub-basement. They probably gave him the spiral notebook as a diversion.

    The item has been classified as a low level toxic hazard due to acidic paper content.
    Forensic exam also determined that various spots dotting the paper of the document are not water stains but are “unspecified body fluids”. Though technically not an environmental hazard these stains still merit a three on the EeeeWwww scale.

    Manuscript has been sent to the National Archives for evaluation and possible restoration.

    End Report

  • CB

    No, no! Let’s keep freaking out about Rachel Maddow!

    …and all the dirt she has dug up on the Trump Crime Syndicate.

    Doing deals with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard smells like treason to me… and I’m quite glad Ms. Maddow’s team is looking into it.

    …because literally no one else seems to be.

    Colluding with traitors makes one a traitor, does it not?

    Seems like any member of the GOP trying to investigate pretend crimes like imaginary wiretapping and not real crimes like money laundering terrorist rials is part of that treasonous conspiracy, no?

    • davidhollenshead

      Treason is a Capital Crime.

  • David

    Rachel has very large hands!

    • davidhollenshead

      Only if you consider Führer Trump’s hands to be “normal sized”.

    • Vacuous Virgina

      Snarkolicious 😎

    • Peggy

      That’s the TV. Ever order a cup from one of your favorite programs on TV. The cup looks like it could be 16 oz or bigger, but when your receive it, it is 12 oz. That’s not enough to “wet your whistle”! LOL

  • Maree Martin

    OK so the White House statement… How is the media being “dishonest” when everything reported is what you admitted in your own fucking statement? I guess the administration knows that putting words together makes it true in this country. Like Obamacare and “death panels.” Never forget Americans are stupid, so please keep calling Paul Ryan’s healthcare bill “Trumpcare” to all of your idiot acquaintances, since two can play at that game.

    • davidhollenshead

      Projection is all they have offer, besides corruption.

      • miss_grundy

        You are also forgetting lies. This man has lied all his life. He has lied about his fortune, his mother, his sex life and he probably has also lied about his golf game. There isn’t anything he isn’t willing to lie about.

        • davidhollenshead

          Sociopaths are Pathological Liars who can’t do anything the Honest Way.
          I have a non-blood relative who is also a Sociopath.

    • Damon Poeter

      Just as dumb was the accusation that RM would be ‘breaking the law’ by revealing stuff that the very statement accusing her had just publicly revealed before she did.

  • David

    How do we know those aren’t taxes owed for past years when he avoided paying?
    How do we know if he was able to recoup those taxes in later years if his business showed a loss?

  • davidhollenshead

    Don’t worry, enough information linking Führer Trump & his Brownshirts to Putin will come out, possibly from Putin himself. Then we will see Impeachment, Trial, Conviction and Execution, if they live long enough, of the F-ing TRAITORS, as we are a Nation of Law.
    P.S. Putin didn’t actually want Führer Trump to win, only to damage Clinton’s reputation, making her an ineffective leader. Now he is realizing that Führer Trump has access to the Nuclear Go Codes.

  • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

    An interesting theory about the significance of the 2005 return: https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/842098277843664906

    • bookish

      Sounds like a reasonable argument to me. Good find, thank you.

  • UnsaltedSinner

    Those tweets from Maddow last night seemed pretty damn accurate to me, so anyone who is furious today must have expected something that sure as hell wasn’t in the text. As for the story itself, it did give us some important information. Maddow showed us that Trump would be contributing crumbs to society if it wasn’t for the Alternative Minimum Tax, which (Surprise, surprise!) he wants to abolish. The numbers also tell us that he is either not as rich as he claims, or the worst businessman in the world.

    https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/841830485022105600

    And on top of all this, Maddow kept the issue of his tax returns from sliding down the memory hole. All good things.

    • davidhollenshead

      Or Führer Trump is gaming the System for all it is worth. That or Tax Evasion.

  • CATMAN

    The whole point was, without the Alternative Minimum Tax, Trump would not have paid jack shit in taxes and, guess what, Trump’s “tax reform” is about repealing the AMT, along with the estate tax, which will save Trump and his offspring billions of dollars while giving a tiny tax cut to the middle class

    • Brendan_M

      Yes, in 2005 the tax rate would have gone from about 24% to 3.5% under his proposals. This should be the line of attack on this, along with the demand for the rest of the returns.

    • orygone

      well no, it would have been about 5 million less than the 38 mil

  • Weevie

    Much ado about almost nothing. A good distraction for Trump from the, uh what is it this week, oh yeah, wire tic tac tapping lie and a good example of what would happen if he trashes AMT. Day after day, his plans to screw the poor and give their money to the rich become more obvious.

  • guest

    If you are of a discerning nature there were multiple things accomplished in Maddows reporting. First thing this accomplished is putting Trumps Tax Returns back on the front burner and it also shows that the audit he claims has been preventing him from releasing his returns must be over because he released 1. So Trump-you can release more. This is an interesting facebook posting:

    From Facebook: Why what Rachel did with the tax release is crafty AF

    “HERE’S WHY RACHEL MADDOW HIT A HOME RUN TONIGHT.

    For those who believe that Rachel Maddow’s report this evening was a
    bust, I have to say that I couldn’t disagree more. Consider this: her
    objective was not to break news, but to *shape* the news. Here’s how she
    did do that…

    1) She made the White House bark and roll over like a dog, forcing
    them to release the same tax return paperwork she had in advance of her
    show hoping to take the wind out of her sails. It did not. Instead, she
    made them do something they were never going to do until she made them
    do it. This made it a news story worthy of coverage by The Washington
    Post and others. In short, she has put the subject of Trump’s tax
    returns back on the front burner. For the moment anyway, she is driving
    the news cycle.

    2) She used what will probably be reported as her best ratings night
    in the history of her show to recap all the great reporting her team
    has done over the last week and a half about all of Trump’s corrupt
    business dealings and connections to Russia and crooked banks. By doing
    so she has educated the public about the importance of making Trump’s
    tax returns public and re-ignited the public’s desire to see it. Don’t
    think this won’t have an impact on future polls when people are asked if
    they want to see Trump’s taxes.

    3) When the White House lied and said obtaining and publishing such
    documentation was illegal, she pointed out how such a lie underscores
    the probability that Trump has something to hide. She also correctly
    stated that the first amendment makes it is perfectly legal for her to
    publish such documents and legal for a journalist to obtain such
    documents provided s/he does not solicit that material. (See the
    Pentagon Papers case.)

    4) She then, while talking with her guests, made it a point to
    underscore the fact that Trump would have had to release part or all of
    his tax returns to various financial institutions in order to apply for
    loans and such. By doing so, she was informing the public that aside
    from the IRS, there are others who have copies of Trump’s taxes. And
    thus, she just sent an army of people who might have been connected with
    those institutions to go looking through their back files to see if
    they might actually be able to find some of that tax info and share it
    with the media.

    5) She purposely asked questions of her guests that were designed to
    inform those who might have access to Trump’s tax returns exactly what
    kind of additional tax documents the media would need in order to
    connect Trump to some of the allegations she has brought up in her
    reporting. She did this without literally soliciting the information,
    but by generally educating the public. Needless to say, a lot of
    journalists including Rachel will be keeping a close eye on their
    mailboxes in the coming days.

    In the end, by cable news standards, The Rachel Maddow Show is a
    shoe-string operation. She does not have an unlimited budget and a large
    team. In fact, a close examination of her reports will show that she
    is, in large part, aggregating the work of other journalists who may not
    have the reach that her show has. Her recent ratings success can be
    attributed to her focus and her tenacity. Her strategy is simple. Stop
    letting Trump drive the conversation and focus on uncovering his
    corruption.

    I tip my hat to Rachel tonight. She took what some people would have
    considered nothing and made something valuable out of it — a stick in
    the eye to Donald Trump. Let’s see if it bears fruit.”

    https://www.facebook.com/jerome.vivona/posts/10211727550606442

    • Vacuous Virgina

      Well said 😋

  • miss_grundy

    But the question still remains: during his adult life, how many times has the Tangerine Toddler actually paid taxes considering that he loves to take huge deductions on his properties–probably more than any of us could on any property that we had?

    • davidhollenshead

      Investigating Führer Trump taxes would result in Tax Evasion Charges, for Laundering Mafia Money. Which makes it confusing when discussing how much tax he really owed, and didn’t pay on profits from his criminal activity.

  • Dingomania

    Evan Hurst, I love how you love Rachel Maddow – because I love her too! And I agree that most everyone – especially liberals AS USUAL – is being ridiculous about this. Oh, she hyped this because she wants people to watch her show! HISTORY’S GREATEST MONSTER! For heaven’s sake – calm down.

  • idiotboy

    Sorry if this has been spoken of below. Two first pages of a 1040 means absolutely nothing.
    We have a tiny S Corp, a real estate rental, charitable contributions, kid in college, and some investments, . Our tax returns run into book length. The first two pages are summaries.
    The other couple of hundred pages just make my eyes glaze over but that is where the meat is.

    • bardgal

      It shows he should have paid more, due to the missing documentation of the rest of that return.

  • Paperless Tiger

    This sounds like a limited hangout op. Maybe Rachel got pwnd, like this is all we have on Trump, even as he extracts millions from the US and foreign treasuries without a peep from Congress. Frankly, the most shocking thing about Trump’s kleptocracy is the clumsiness of it. They say his toadies are getting nervous as hell.

  • Maybe

    And once again the Democrats circle the wagons and fire inwards.

    No wonder we can’t beat the Republicans.

    • David Bailey

      Yes – my thoughts exactly. Rachel Maddow is on OUR side, not theirs, and, even if this one particular thing might have been a little over-hyped, the amount of investigative reporting she has done on the Trump team’s ties to Russia are truly outstanding.

      She may have fumbled the football on this one occasion, but she is still on the field, playing her heart out on our behalf, and doing far more than the rest of us combined to shine a light into that dark cavern of Trumpism.

    • kfreed

      Interesting… somebody might like to point out to the Bernie Bros and Brodettes that undermining Democrats while playing patsy to Libertarians never works in our favor: https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/02/04/when-bernie-sanders-ran-against-vermont/kNP6xUupbQ3Qbg9UUelvVM/story.html

      • Maybe

        I’m not by any means the first one who said it. Dems have themselves a history.

        I do appreciate that Dems/liberals/progressives tend to be more adventurous and idealistic than Repubs, but I’d sure like to see more pragmatism during elections. If one of two candidates is going to win it only makes sense to vote for the one you dislike least.

        Or like the most if we’re lucky; I think Clinton would have been an excellent President: smart, experienced, knowledgeable on the issues, a long history of supporting progressive causes, a cool temperament…

        Or course she would not have made a good reality tv show host–another point in her favor.

        In 2020 there will be a new census, followed by redistricting. If Dems blow it this time we have lost for a generation. Repubs already win with a minority. It can get worse.

  • Heyzeus Ahchay

    I, for one, am very happy for Rachel. I’m glad she broke the story because it shows Cheeto Hitler and his trumpanzees that his cloak of lies can be breached, and I’m looking forward to more of his “explanations” for why he’s still hiding behind the “I’m being audited” lie if his tax returns are so effing “favorable”for him. Big meals are eaten with small bites, and I’m glad to see this bite being taken by Rachel. Don’t worry, she’s not ready to get up from the table yet, despite the food critics sitting around her complaining that she didn’t order a more expensive meal. Hey, assholes, the meal was free.

  • Peggy

    Enough of bashing Rachel. She is the best thing that has happen to the news media in decades. Happy to hear her rating are going up. She carries MSNBC. If not for Rachel, I would not be watching MSNBC. They need to bring back Olberman……yesterday.

    • Ichabod

      Yup, I agree. No one can spin BS like Rachel Maddow!

  • Mart

    No problem with Rachel on the tax report, other than her usual over-hyping. Big problems with her failing to defend Hillary on Benghazi, failure to defend Hillary on emails, etc. This is what gets us to Trump in the first place. She hoots and hollers when a penis is in the wrong hole, or when she has what amounts to a nothing-burger; but when she really needs to push back hard, she lays down to her corporate masters. Why do we trust this lady who is making around $10M/year to stand up to big money? She is big money.

    • bardgal

      Seven Fucking Hells. Please STOP the Friendly Fire. You’re aiming in the wrong direction. Do YOU currently have a cable news show that is having some of the highest ratings in it’s history and can reach millions every day, and is doing some of the best investigative journalism on Russiagate currently? No? Then please STFU, unless you’re bashing TrumpGOPPutin.

  • Snopes Shop

    Except for she’s the MSM, not “one of us”. She bagged in Hillary along with the rest of the MSM. MSNBC revelled in the EMAIL SCANDAL along with the rest of them. She’s not a god.

    • bardgal

      She’s going to win a PULITZER and is doing more work on the Russian Black Hole of SUCK right now, than anyone. I’m beyond thankful.

  • rocktonsam

    it was” painfully obvious” to morning joe you guys…

  • thsmchnkllsfcsts

    you dont get to ruin the free world if you are an easy person to take down. but he must be not just resisted but dethroned.

  • kfreed

    After what I saw coming from MSNBC this election (not to mention what passed for “speaking truth to power” over the past 8 years essentially repeating evey Libertarian talking point known to man) I wonder why anybody bothers turning on cable “news”… what were you all expecting anyway? The GOP’s Libertarian agenda, idiots: commit it to memory for this is your future under Trumpenstein: https://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers

    You did it to yourselves, Bernios: https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/02/04/when-bernie-sanders-ran-against-vermont/kNP6xUupbQ3Qbg9UUelvVM/story.html

    BTW, somebody ask Maddow where she got her copy of Trump’s tax return cover page and thank her for once again not doing her homework :)

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