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Left: Romulo Avelica-Gonzalez; Right: Daniela Vargas

Time for another quick update on the Engreatenment of America under Donald Trump’s exciting “deport everyone” policy, which is aimed at ridding the country of the absolute worst dangerous criminal aliens, who are defined as any undocumented immigrant who doesn’t have their papers in order. Trump loves talking about all the really bad dudes we’re scooping up, so let’s meet a couple of these dangerous criminals who need to be sent away forever.

First up, we have dangerous threat to America Romulo Avelica-Gonzalez, who has been in this country without legal status for 25 years and is no doubt single-handedly the reason Trump voters have to press “1” for English, which just drives them crazy. Avelica-Gonzalez is the father of four U.S.-born daughters, who are citizens, but he was arrested Tuesday by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers while engaged in the dangerous criminal activity of taking two of his kids to school in the Highland Park neighborhood of Los Angeles. Here’s cell phone video taken while his wife and 13-year-old daughter watched him get arrested just after dropping off another daughter, 12, at her elementary school:

Bet you feel a lot safer now! According to Avelica-Gonzalez’s 19-year-old daughter, Jocelyn Avelica, the unmarked cars had followed her father from the moment he left home, but waited until after he dropped one kid at school to pull him over:

My dad was really scared. He didn’t want to pull over, but he did. As soon as he did, one car went in front of his truck and one in back of his truck. They took him out and they arrested him. My little sister was still in the car, she’s 13. My mom was also there.

Still, he was definitely one of those criminal aliens who Trump says we all need to be protected from. So how many people did he kill, rob, rape, or maim? Zero, if you want to get all nitpicky, though even an advocate for the family, attorney Emi MacLean, who works with with the National Day Laborer Organizing Network (NDLON), admits he’s a multiple offender: He has a DUI conviction from a decade ago, and

“apparently a conviction from over 20 years ago related to having bought a car that he did not realize had a registration sticker on it that did not belong on the car,” according to MacLean.

“Those are his criminal convictions in over 25 years in this country. And ICE is saying this is why he’s a ‘bad’ immigrant and should be deported,” MacLean explained.

We’re willing to go way out on a limb here and suggest maybe Avelica-Gonzalez might not pose an immediate threat to America. Yes, this is now the place where our Deleted Commenters should jump in and scream “What part of illegal don’t you understand?!?” The guy definitely doesn’t have his papers in order, so clearly, he’s Public Enemy Number One, and he was also taking some American’s job doing food prep at a local Mexican restaurant. And if he’s eventually deported — he’s received a temporary stay and is seeking an immigration court hearing — we can look also forward to his family losing a source of income, possibly falling into poverty and needing public assistance. Hey, how’s that “saving money by deporting all the illegals” thing working out?

Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti has urged ICE to stop using unmarked cars and windbreakers identifying themselves only as “POLICE,” since he wants residents of LA to know their own public safety officials are not part of this madness.

Connoisseurs of irony may appreciate this: On the day Avelica-Gonzalez was arrested, his eighth-grade daughter arrived at school in tears, just in time for her school’s field trip to Los Angeles’s Museum of Tolerance. First they came for the middle-aged dads, and we’re speaking up, goddamn it.

Our second case study involves 22-year-old Daniela Vargas of Jackson, Mississippi, who was arrested Wednesday after speaking at a news conference to call for a stop to the Trump Administration’s aggressive implementation of the New Cruelty. Guess they taught her a lesson, huh? Vargas was brought to the U.S. from Argentina by her parents when she was 7 years old, and has no criminal record, according to her attorney, Abby Peterson, who said Vargas had been protected by the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) policy. But her status recently expired, making her fair game for arrest, even though she had applied February 10 to have her DACA status renewed for another two years. (Yes, yes, what part of illegal doesn’t she understand?) Vargas’s father and brother were arrested February 15, and are now in an ICE detention center in Louisiana; Vargas was handcuffed but released because she said she was protected by DACA. Her attorney says Vargas’s public activism probably led the agency to go after her as a troublemaker:

“It could be retaliation,” Peterson said. “They had been reading about her in the news, they had seen her at this press conference… [maybe] they didn’t want to hear it anymore. Maybe I’m mistaken on that, but common sense would certainly imply that’s what happened.” Peterson said that Vargas did not have a criminal record, but had minor traffic offenses.

An ICE official said on Wednesday that Vargas was not initially taken into custody on Feb. 15 because she claimed she had DACA status ― but ICE subsequently verified that she did not.

Vargas is seeking relief through an immigration court, but may be America Firsted right into the same ICE prison where her father and brother await deportation. Also, she has no one to blame but herself for letting her DACA protection expire and then acting as if she has “rights.”

Also, let’s not forget that Donald Trump really has a soft spot for DREAMers. He even said so at his weirdass press conference, where he said DACA kids need to be treated with “a lot of heart.” So presumably, Vargas will be jailed and deported as sympathetically as possible, with a teary-eyed Donald Trump waving as she’s sent away to a country she’s never really known. How much will all the court time cost? Surely a pittance compared to knowing that our country remains safe from an uppity would-be math major.

The shackles are off the Immigration Police, and damned if we even recognize our country anymore. Yes, yes, we’re enemies of the people, too. Happily, we’re citizens, so we can drive drunk or buy cars with hinky registration papers as much as we want, and we can live here without fear. Somebody cue that fucking Toby Keith song.

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  • snigsy

    So, Trump wants to rid America of hard-working, dedicated dads and intelligent young people–seems like a winning strategy to me.

    • Nounverb911

      And yet all his immigrant wife does is cost the taxpayers money….

    • Amelia

      It is for Republicans. A strategy for winning elections for the rest of time: deport as many people who might vote for Democrats as possible.

      Assholes.

  • cmd resistor

    I just read that story about the dad on CNN and was quite pissed. According to CNN, “ICE said in a statement that Avelica was arrested because he has “multiple prior criminal convictions, including a DUI in 2009, as well an outstanding order of removal dating back to 2014.”” Of course this leads one to believe that he must have all kinds of other horrible shit, like murder and stuff, but turns out that the 20 year old offense related to the car registration is the only other thing. That’s how they always do, describe who they’ve got as people with multiple criminal violent records, then list a few of them, making it sound like there are just piles of violent felons. Not they ICE would mislead people.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      One time I was caught riding the train with an invalid pass. When Trump’s goons decide to come for me, that will count towards my multiple criminal convictions.

      • Undocumented Skwerl!

        I’ve been convicted of multiple crimes, but I am white, so I will get promoted in business.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      Like all lazy fcuked bureaucrats, they are going for the low hanging fruit- the people they can find easily, and who won’t give them a lot of trouble.

  • The Flaming Carrot

    Cue the &#^% Lee Greenwood song, too.

  • MynameisBlarney

    How the fuck do we stop this shit?

    • Lefty Frizzell

      You put down the fucking Doritos and you fucking vote. As far as the best analysis of the non-apathetic goes, very nearly half of you dig this.

      • cmd resistor

        I am happy to note that I’ve been getting updates from my smallish Florida county Dem party with actual helpful events. They’ve had several voter registration canvassing things (not waiting until so close to the elections like people normally do), voter/education training on LGBT issues, local clean up. I haven’t managed to do any of them but they aren’t sitting around whining.

        • Ducksworthy

          Better stay away. I heard that registering voters is illegal in Floriduh.

      • Undocumented Skwerl!

        You’ll pull these Doritos out of my cold dead arse!

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      Join an indivisible group. They are all over the country. If you Facebook they are easy to find there

  • cmd resistor
    • Nounverb911

      Oh so he twatted his demand to investigate Chuck Schumer from his plane then….

      • Groundloop

        Wherever Trump goes, there’s going to be at least one twat.

    • Groundloop

      He was going to read to the kids but he “forgot” his “reading” “glasses”.

    • PubOption

      Voldemort has a grandson named Auguste. One meaning of Auguste is clown.

  • WomanInThePersistence

    This makes me soooooo angry. Fuck Trump. Fuck him and the ICEstapos. With rusty, jagged votes.

  • Hanaka

    USA – now a place people need to flee in fear. So sick of winning. Can it stop now?

  • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

    There were a lot of comment piles about Ms. Vargas on Jezebel that basically said “Well, she has a car, prescription glasses, a cell phone, and clothes. So if she didn’t have the $500 to re-up her application on-time, that’s her problem.” Then everything sort of went red and hazy…

    • cmd resistor

      I’m shocked.

    • PubOption

      She looks like a lesbian, so the wingnuts can really hate her.

      • Good_Gawd_Yall

        That was my first thought, actually. Haters saw her and said, “lesbian illegal alien bitch – throw her ass out!”

  • jowgajen

    So …. let’s talk about GDP.

    The only way to increase GDP is to increase the size of the population (and workforce) or to increase productivity per worker. This is just an obvious statement here. GDP is Gross Domestic Productivity – more production comes from more people or more production per person.

    Now, production per person is driven by either finding new resource streams or through making better use of the resources you have, ie: technology.

    Therefore immigration is GOOD. Say it with me, GOOD. At all levels. Because immigrants add to the workforce. But also because immigrants add to the knowledge base and can drive technological advances and entrepreneurship. This is why the harassment of foreign engineers and foreign educators is particularly pernicious. But even then the guy working in a goddamn Mexican restaurant is STILL adding to our GDP.

    Politicians, economists and corporate managers KNOW THIS. They have ALWAYS KNOWN THIS. But unfettered immigration is politically unpopular, which means that despite glaring problems with our immigration policy we’ve seen no reform whatsoever. Only quiet nudges through executive orders, or frankly blatant lawlessness through not enforcing the (stupid) laws on the books.

    So, arguing “what part of illegal don’t they understand” is willfully ignoring the fact that we have always been complicit in illegal aliens breaking our own goddamn laws. Because we actually WANT them, and we make it clear that we do WANT them through our actions if not our laws.

    • FlownΩver

      Can’t we all just buy more cheap plastic shit at WalMart?

    • Crank Tango

      These are the same people who believe cutting taxes increases tax revenue.

      • Ducksworthy

        So much for what they may or may not have “always known” then.

    • CatCafe #ShePurrsisted

      But they’re DARK! And we don’t have JOBS! And Brawndo has what plants CRAVE!

    • Snarkbot 9000

      Please discontinue presenting rational points. All aspects of life are binary, black and white, zero sum options representing good and evil. Nuanced arguments based on grey areas that present any notion of complexity beyond this paradigm are prohibited. Only laymen’s opinions based on zero subject knowledge, personal animus and bigotry are allowable points to be considered as fact and only if a white male says it.

      Please make a note of this policy.

  • WotsAllThisThen

    Having expired tags on your car is illegal, no wonder. If this dad had instead decided to collude with Russia to fix the election for Trump, he’d have legal status, a job in the Presidential cabinet, and a bag of cash waiting for him at the dead drop. We’re all responsible for our choices, people.

    • jowgajen

      That shit is the sort of stuff that you and I with access to lawyers and no fear of the government would just pay a small fine for and move on. But for an illegal immigrant it’s open season to exploit them for every dime they have in fines and to harass and intimidate them into submitting to whatever indignity the courts desire.

  • JMP

    If President Trump keeps deporting all the Bad Dudes, then he’s going to really be out of luck if he gets kidnapped by ninjas.

    http://2.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/dev/43/28/ce9e70d7c3cebd98f8e3229c3629ca5e.jpg

  • FlownΩver

    Looks like time to work on the ferrocarril subterráneo.

  • Ryan Denniston

    “Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti has urged ICE to stop using unmarked cars and windbreakers identifying themselves only as “POLICE,””

    Maybe brown shirts for this pack of thugs? Or better yet, red hats! That way, people will know to avoid ICE, and Trump supporters.

    • Crank Tango

      Can they arrest them for impersonating police officers, I wonder?

  • UnsaltedSinner
    • Nounverb911

      Too bad she didn’t nick an artery.

      • UnsaltedSinner

        I do think she drew blood at the end, though.

        • WotsAllThisThen

          “You’re not supposed to say that.”

          Didn’t he hear? Trump changed the rules. Say whatever you want now.

        • Sardonicuss

          “My mommy says you are a shit stirring dirt bag and I should run this through you scrawny neck”.

    • arglebargle

      Mommy better have a bug out bag packed.

    • snigsy

      Man, after reading the previous post I’ve had enough with dickhead men using little girls to inflate their dick-egos.

  • Nounverb911

    I look forward to the days when a head of lettuce cost $20.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      It seems that you won’t have to wait long.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      Pfffft. Like Trump voters eat lettuce. Real Americans only eat food made in an American factory.

    • Crank Tango

      Wedgie salad libel.

    • arglebargle

      Lucky for me I live in the heart of Amish country. You can’t swing a cat without hitting a roadside farm stand around here. Of course, even with canning we do still get produce at a grocery store during winter months.

  • STAND BY FOR THIS IMPORTANT MESSAGE FROM ‘NEW COKE’ Dept

    Here’s one to tickle your funnybone – or whatever body part you got that responds to funny.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWBQP-bxfX0

    • Ducksworthy

      And Mexican Coke is made with actual sugar instead of glycolated high fructose industrial waste.

  • anwisok
    • Lefty Frizzell

      That puppy’s looking at me like I look at Mrs Frizzell

  • Yr. Gma

    Bad hombres, indeed.

  • Nounverb911

    Does this mean that trump will have to finally hire Americans to work at Mar-a-Lago?

    • Beanz&Berryz

      I think there needs to be some serious looking into his fucking wife’s immigration history.

    • Mehmeisterjr

      Hey, hey, hey. Let’s not go that far.

    • LucindathePook

      Or the kid’s vineyard?

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Here’s cell phone video taken while his wife and 13-year-old daughter watched him get arrested just after dropping off another daughter, 12, at her elementary school

    I lasted nine seconds. Could not take the crying. Time to re-read Indivisible’s guide on how to help immigrants FFS.

  • Crank Tango

    So once they deport all those millions and millions of undocumented people, then who do they come for?

    • cmd resistor

      I think we are supposed to live happily ever after then.

      • Crank Tango

        Jackbooted thugs gotta jackboot…

      • Anna Rompage

        Yep, you’ll have children, working along with their parents and grandparents, harvesting our food stuff for $2/day….

    • WotsAllThisThen

      Socialists? Trade Unionists?

      • Crank Tango

        Oh I’m OK then, being neither of those things.

        • Up In Smoke O’hontas

          Gypsies, otherly seschtsuals, Crank Tangos…

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      Has anyone checked the immigration status of all those so-called “Native Americans” yet? They don’t look so native to me. They seem a bit . . . swarthy.

    • JohnBull

      Those who are documented. My wife is naturalized and frankly I’m getting worried.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      All of us, Katie.

      What? Someone had to say it…

    • aureolaborealis

      Anyone they don’t like. They figure that by that point we’ll all be so inured to seeing people hauled off in irons that we won’t put up a fuss.

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    A person who would uproot their entire life, abandon their family, risk death, and literally walk across the goddamned desert for a sub-minimum wage labor job is not welcome in this country, but we’ll take all the Slavic bikini models we can get. Makes sense.

    • arglebargle

      The Slavic bikini models create jerbs for the cosmetic surgeons. Why do you hate America?

    • Bebecca

      that’s why we have a separate immigration status for model (seriously).

    • Crank Tango
    • Amy!

      I, for one, would not take Melania’s job for all the money Donnie boy claims to have.

  • Beanz&Berryz

    This is as ashamed as I have been to be an American.

    • Logic of Color

      Yep. Un Fucking Believable.

  • bookish

    The Resistance‏ @ActualEPAFacts
    The March Towards Midterms is going to be fantastic. We hope you’ll join us! Follow @MarchToMidterms

  • Nounverb911

    So this seems to have happened…

    https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/837725119652982784
    And Schumer’s reply…

    https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/837731123379781632

    This should distract trump from his golf and fundraising this weekend,

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    You can’t spell gestapo without g-o-p.

  • Chadwells

    I don’t know which is worse…this or the asshole in the last post!! Christ…really harshing my mellow!! These poor people….no words.

    • Sardonicuss

      Yep. Bad day to quit drinking. So I won’t.

      • Crystalclear12

        I have tentative plans quit in 2020, maybe.

  • Ducksworthy

    So, in the right (tiny) hands HW’s thousand points on light turn out to be torches.

  • JohnBull

    The people who are most upset about pressing “English” to use the ATM are the same ones who go ballistic if such an option weren’t available in Europe or Asia.

    This isn’t about assimilation–it’s about behaving like an ignorant asshole and being pissy about other people who are smarter than you.

    • Nounverb911

      All the ATM’s and train ticket machines I’ve used in Japan have a big easy to find ENGLISH button on them.

      • Undocumented Skwerl!

        Our ticket machines have pictures because we are too lazy to read. (People are also starting to figure out that to open the train door you push the green button.)

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Correction: they WOULD go ballistic if they ever fucking left the county they were born in…

      • OrG

        Yep,these assholes do NOT have passports.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          True story, I was talking to my airport shuttle driver Wednesday and she mentioned her bucket list- seeing Talladega and seeing the beach. I asked her which beach and she said any. I asked which ocean (we were in TN at the time). She said any. Turns out she has never flown on an airplane and never left her home county- she was probably older than I am. Remember, there are millions of people like this out there in flyover country…

          • Edith Prickly

            I know. And they probably can’t name any towns in the neighbouring states.

          • yyyaz

            The joke here — 30 years ago — was you could tell a native Arizonan by whether or not he/she had been to the Grand Canyon. I still don’t find it funny.

          • Mike Steele

            Lady MS here: in my native Baltimore, was astonished at # of locals who didn’t even know of Ft. McHenry, home of our official anthem in the pre-Greenwoodian era.

          • Jack Tenhet

            I’ve never left my own home country but I’m also not well and very poor. I’d love to see a lot of places. My bucket list of places to visit doesn’t include anywhere in the US.

            I’d love to visit the Ufizzi Gallery in Florence, Tokyo, Addis Ababa just for a start.

          • SqueakyRat

            I went to Shreveport LA a while ago and bought some furniture from a guy who’s never been out of the state. Nice enough man. Looked like an old hippie.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      They are ok with immigrants picking their fruit, cooking in restaurants, mowing their lawns, etc. They just don’t want to see them anywhere else.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        only the “good” ones that they personally know

    • goonemeritus

      My grandfather ran a grocery store in Brooklyn for almost 50 years and I don’t think he knew more than 50 words of English.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Somebody cue that fucking Toby Keith song.

    I prefer Lee Greenwood:

    I’m ashamed to be an American
    Where Latinos don’t scare me
    And I won’t forget the immigrants
    Who have a family

    And I gladly stand up
    Next to you and defend them still today
    Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land
    God help the USA

  • arglebargle

    Hey – I just poked a fun at Toby Keith last post. Okay, not that hard really.

  • whitroth

    Here’s more to be mad at: show me *ONE* fucking goddamned self-proclaimed “libertarian” protesting these jack-booted thugs.

    One. Where’s Rand Paul?

    Aren’t any. “Libertarian” means “I got mine, screw everyone else”.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Yep.

  • bookish

    http://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/3/3/14802618/trump-advisers-debate-paris-climate
    President Donald Trump’s advisers are reportedly having a fierce internal debate over whether the US should pull out of the Paris climate deal — the key international treaty to address global warming. A final decision could come as soon as next week.

    During the campaign, Trump vowed to “cancel” the deal altogether, and senior adviser Stephen Bannon wants him to follow through on that pledge, according to Coral Davenport of the New York Times. On the other side, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Ivanka Trump are urging Trump to stay in the deal, fearing that a defiant withdrawal would have “broad and damaging diplomatic ramifications.”

    But there are a few key policy nuances to this debate that are worth pointing out. If Trump does decide to walk away from Paris, it will matter how he does it — because that could influence whether countries like India or Brazil end up scaling back their own climate actions in response. And if Trump sticks with Paris, that’s not necessarily a major victory for future efforts to tackle global warming, since a lot depends on how seriously the US works to reduce its own emissions — and how the State Department approaches negotiations on the treaty’s future in the years ahead.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/03/will-a-former-exxon-ceo-save-the-paris-climate-deal.html

    • I suspect they’ll stay in the deal.
      Why? Because they get everyone off their backs, and they do not have to adhere to the accord. Who exactly is going to call them out on it?
      When they do, it could be a game of “Are you going to believe the US of A or some Chinese Marxist?”

  • DahBoner

    Trump is a good family man straight out of a fairy tale…

    While married to his first wife, Ivana, this good family man had an adulterous affair with Marla Maples. He eventually divorced Ivana and married his former mistress, Marla.

    While married to his second wife, Marla, this good family man had an adulterous affair with Melanija Knavs.

    He eventually divorced Marla and married his mistress, Melanija Knavs (who changed her name to Melania Knauss before changing it again, this time to Melania Trump).
    https://media0.giphy.com/media/ejVt2YeNv4bDO/giphy.gif

    • Bebecca

      you mean straight out of the bible.

      • DahBoner

        Yes.

  • OrG

    Okay,I am officially “sick of winning”.

  • UnsaltedSinner

    OT: These guys will be the death of parody. How can you possibly come up with something funnier than what they say in real life?

    https://twitter.com/emmafmerchant/status/837737383583866880

    • Crank Tango

      Who said that? Ben Carson or Johnny Carson?

    • Crystalclear12

      Seems accurate. For lead?

    • arglebargle

      She highlighted the wrong part…

      “…what Donald Trump has is one of the largest superfund sites in American history”

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    Enjoy your hate orgy, right wingers…

  • Sardonicuss

    (Redacted) fucking (Commenting rules) god damned (commenting rules) (redacted)

    • JohnBull

      We can comment now?

      • Sardonicuss

        No comment.

  • Nounverb911

    BREAKING
    Austrian immigrant quits trump job because… baggage!

    https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/837747268862242816

    • Sardonicuss

      I wish Ahnold would just full on party jump.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      Ahnold has some smarts, even if he did screw the help. There’s a good reason behind this.

      • Mike Steele

        Ahnold knew more about functions of US govt BEFORE he came to this country than all of Team Trump put together. About passing that ‘civics test’ for citizenship – how soon can we mandate that as a requisite for any office-seeker? lookin’ at you gohmert, ron johnson, etc.

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      Oh, hell. Just a matter of time:

      “Hater Arnold quit Celeb Apprentice cuz he could never match my tremendous ratings. Nobody can do what I did. Overrated failure! Sad!”

    • Drumpf’s daughter-wife Ivanka will be the next host

    • Best comment The President of the United States is now “baggage” for a reality tv show. MAGA…or whatever.

  • Crystalclear12

    I say first in, first out.

    Start with the pasty white immigrants.

    • Oh no, I’d be the first to go. You can see my white ass on the moon when I sunbathe.

      • Crystalclear12

        Do you have skills?
        We figure that requirement will weed out the GOP base.

      • SqueakyRat

        I don’t think sunbathing on the moon is a thing.

        • Well, one does end up with a space tan (ie, white from the neck up due to helmet for air).

  • Bebecca

    OMG, there is a lot of love coming from this president, he wasn’t lying when he said that. I know he is ripping families apart in as humanely a way as possible.

    • hendenburg2

      No! He’s trying to REUNITE families! In privately-run detention centers/forced labor camps!

      *gags*

  • Nounverb911

    Chuck Schumer clarifies his comment about meeting with putin in public in 2003:
    https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/837742016687714308

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      He might want to keep clarifying. Is he saying he met with Putin while under oath at a gas station or that he would happily discuss it while under oath? Twitter might not be the greatest platform for this type of statement.

  • weejee

    I’ve already got two trips out of the country not including Canada. Wonder how may of my Wonket posts will come up on the Customs computer screens.

    • Nounverb911

      AOT,K.

    • Up In Smoke O’hontas

      Can you leave your noncommenting devices at home?

  • bookish
    • ugh. I hate the “he is outside the establishment!!!”
      Fuck that! He is the fucking establishment now

  • Anna Rompage

    Can states deploy their National Guard troops, or even local police forces to protect these folks from ICE?

    • Sardonicuss

      Most of the states where people are in the most danger from ICE would be more likley to deploy the national guard….to assist ICE.

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      ICE are immune from state and local laws, and most aspects of human decency.

      • Greyhame

        They’re like the police, only more secret.

    • No

  • SadDemInTex

    Fuck fuck fuck fuck

  • hendenburg2

    OT but still worth celebrating: FL Supreme Court holds that open carry isn’t protected by 2nd amendment

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/03/03/florida_supreme_court_no_second_amendment_right_to_open_carry.html

  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    I’m confused. Is this part of the winning? Or is it the engreatening? Because, you know, whichever it is supposed to be, it feels like the opposite of that.

    • MamaBrown

      Well, I know my head is spinning, so there’s that

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Tomorrow night there will be a Spanish language presentation about immigrant rights being held at a church down the street. I doubt anyone is going to show up for fear of something like this.

    • boyblue122

      Is there a way to stream the meeting via youtube or something so people can watch if they dont feel like leaving their house

      • Mr. Blobfish

        Good idea. Hopefully not too late. I will bring it up with the powers that be.

  • Sardonicuss

    Every day is: It can’t happen here.
    Then: That can’t happen here.
    Rinse Repeat.
    Realistically, what “can’t happen here” any more?

    • NastyBossetti

      A woman becoming president?

  • BearDeLaOursistance

    History teaches us that there comes a point when things can’t be fixed With Votes. How near are we to that point? I mean, sweeping the streets for Those People™ is right out of the fascist playbook…

  • goonemeritus

    by this standard my Italian born mother is a pretty bad hombre. I have personally witnessed her not bring a shopping cart back because it was raining. And on more than one occasion she left our American flag flying after dark without proper lighting.

    • Bebecca

      has she ever had 16 items in the 15 items or less check out line?

      • goonemeritus

        She Italian so no, when she goes to the store she buys enough food for the next ten Saints days.

        • eka

          but being italian she also goes to the store on a daily basis, no?

          • goonemeritus

            When it’s closed she just stuffs money under the door.

        • An Outhouse for the Resistance

          Any canned clams?

          • goonemeritus

            She may be a bad hombre but she’s not a monster.

  • They go after hard working community members and they leave “bad dudes” like jared taylor alone. This makes me extra stabby.

    The great Jorge Ramos shines some light on deportation goon and white supremecist Taylor in this interview:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T4jssO9t-0

    Not a nice time interview, my apologies.

    • ltmcdies

      Who the fuck is this guy….I could only stomach about 10 minutes
      Oh Jared… you want to see a multicultural country that runs pretty smoothly overall… LOOK NORTH

      • I know. Friends in South America send me that to me with a “WTF is wrong with your country!” note attached.

        I figure Robyn will feature him in the future as part of her unending series of “Horrible Men That Should Be Considered Another Species”.

  • bookish
  • bookish

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/montenegro-pro-russian-leaders-seek-bannon-nato-45887485
    Pro-Russian opposition leaders in Montenegro have asked the White House chief strategist to help block the Balkan country’s NATO bid, saying the Obama administration has presented false facts about its readiness to join the Western military alliance.

    Two opposition officials, Andrija Mandic and Milan Knezevic, wrote in a letter to Steve Bannon, a senior adviser to U.S. President Donald Trump, that the U.S. Senate should vote against the accession. The vote has been stalled because of objections by two senators.

    The Associated Press obtained a copy of the letter on Friday.

    http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/montenegrin-opposition-seeks-help-from-trump-s-strategist-03-02-2017

  • Jenny

    As a citizen, I demand the right for all humans to be free of all Toby Keith “songs.”

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    “her status recently expired, making her fair game for arrest, even though she had applied February 10 to have her DACA status renewed”

    Can’t imagine why that application got derailed.

    • jowgajen

      Not mentioned, how much it costs to apply for DACA renewal.

  • Lefty Frizzell

    Is Daniela Vargas related to Chris Hayes?

    • anon_the_great

      Not that anyone knows of. Why do you ask?

  • anon_the_great

    I am shocked, shocked I tell you that the NRA did not to stand up for this woman’s 2nd Amendment right to self-defense.

    • anon_the_great

      Explanatory note. When pulled over it turns out Ms. Vargas was in possession of a hand gun she could not legally own. Asked why, she said she feared for her safety which in light of Trumpanistan is not an unreasonable fear.

  • LarryHoudini

    Internal RNC memo: Future US Latino population growth just might outpace the number of Latinos deported. Could this affect future election results? Better increase number of restrictive voting laws.

  • eka

    I think one thing not understood is that it’s not easy to get into the US legally. Even going for a K1 (fiance) visa followed by green card application – you need to prove that you have resources 120% of poverty level – not easy if you were both living in a different country until deciding to move to the states and are thus unemployed – we had my parents cosign – filing fees alone are $1500 plus there’s all the travel expenses to consulates and embassies and doctors in both countries and biometrics fees and lots of other shit. if you don’t speak the language well or feel concerned about the process, there are lawyer fees involved too. i would definitely prefer for everyone to come legally, but it’s not easy and i’m sure a lot of people can’t afford the process. so i have sympathy for those who came illegally (except for the highly educated and already employed who tried to skip parts of the process out of laziness) and i feel outrage that those who already went through all this shit are being detained as well.

  • Hollis Brown

    Ah, Trump’s ICE sure is badass…. Like all the success they’re having with eliminating Mexican organized crime. take meth for example, mass produced by order of the cartels. Majority of meth in America is made in Mexico and then brought over the border (I guess in Mexico they’re smarter at working in labs than the average trailer park chemist). San Diego is arguably the city most abundant in meth which costs significantly less here than pretty much everywhere else.

    So here comes the immigration crusaders, emboldened by Trump’s passion to rid America of “Mexico’s worst people.” They go arresting would-be average citizens and activists, and all sorts of people that are lacking in record of violent offenses or even dealing charges. So what effect is it having on the cartels? Well, meth has recently gotten significantly cheaper, and I mean really. Logic would suggest that supply has increased, and such an increase in San Diego would have to be caused by the cartels. So yeah business is good around here for the major criminals… and ICE is free to take the credit.

    Good job, boys!

    • Apple Scruff

      Whenever I read these stories, about how they track down the so-called “illegal immigrant” and then they follow him/ her to wherever, it just seems like these ICE officials are just a bunch of low-level law enforcement assholes trying to live out their buddy cop movie dreams.

      • Up In Smoke O’hontas

        How they are able to face themselves in a mirror or sleep at night is beyond me.

    • MamaBrown

      It reminds me of Sinclair Lewis’s book Elmer Gantry. Elmer discovers his inner huckster and goes to divinity school. he wanted to make a splash as a crusader against sin, so he embarked on a campaign to clean up the city. The people he busted weren’t criminals. He raided a German immigrant’s home (the guy made beer in a small way, for his family and friends) and caused a lot of trouble for a couple of party girls who liked to have fun be weren’t prostitutes. No big fish, just a lot of publicity and his name in the papers.

      • Actual big fish shoot back.
        They are targeting non-violent offenders for the same reason the popo like to bust pot heads; less chance of getting shot at AND increase monthly numbers.

  • canes_pugnaces

    I’m waiting for them to show up in Harlem. It won’t end well.

    • Bitter Scribe

      “There are some neighborhoods in New York I would advise you not to invade.”

      –Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca

    • Snarkbot 9000

      Are they deporting hipsters now? That’s an effort I would support.

  • Paperless Tiger

    Vicente Fox plays fox and hound with the wolf, Trump, a mad hound taken to attacking the sheep. Possessed by the wolf spirit, there is no deep thought, only cunning. Yet, though Trump cut his artful deal with Russia with some concern for security, otherwise he has broken that vessel, and it leaks.

    “Time will explain it all. He is a talker, and needs no questioning before he speaks.” — Euripides.

  • MamaBrown

    “I weep for you, the Walrus said. I deeply sympathize.
    With sobs and tears he sorted out
    Those of the largest size.
    Holding his pocket handkerchief before his streaming eyes”

    • Bitter Scribe

      And his tears, for he wept well,
      Turned to millstones as they fell.
      And the little children who
      Round his feet ran to and fro
      Thinking every tear a gem
      Had their brains dashed out by them.

  • An Outhouse for the Resistance

    ‘America Firsted right into the same ICE prison where her father and brother await deportation’
    They want to keep the family together.

  • Hollis Brown

    Ironically SD is a pretty chill city, pretty safe by my standards. I mean if you don’t fuck anyone over, you really got nothing to fear. Cartels only care about their business. It’s not in their interest for everyone to be scared of them. But all the Mexicans living here are some of the most calm and drama free people I’ve ever know. And they got way more excellent work ethic and embrace of middle class values than the average American (I’ve been in various communities all over though my experience of course is not an authoritative source. They really are good people. Really. This fear of Mexicans is simply being fabricated out of nothing and spread around like gossip, and people are stupid. Most of the people who fear Mexicans probably don’t even know any.

    • NastyBossetti

      Your last sentence is exactly it. It’s easy to make people afraid of what they don’t know.

  • I do not get it. If the guy is married to an American lady and they have American children, does that not make him an American?

    • JustDon’tSayDieInJail

      Not an expert, but I don’t think it’s that simple. He has to be in some legal immigration status before he can apply for citizenship – I think.

      • That is weird. Being married to an American IS a legal status I should think?

        • JustDon’tSayDieInJail

          Gots to have The Papers. Married papers aren’t the same as citizenship papers. You can be legally married and be illegally in the country at the same time.
          There’s some discussion a page or so earlier in the thread that looks a little better-informed than I am. Among other things, it appears those visas can be kinda pricey.

    • writersbloc

      My brother, who’s been married to a Venezuelan for about 10 years, tells me it took them 5 years to get his wife’s citizenship. It’s a long drawn out hassle from what I remember him telling me, but nothing this guy shouldn’t have been able to do…. I assume.

    • NastyBossetti

      I am not a lawyer, but I have a little personal experience with immigration. My husband moved here on a work visa. He got a green card after we got married, so he’s a legal permanent resident.
      In order to become a citizen, he has to live here as a permanent resident for at least 3 years (if we weren’t married, it would be 5 years) and be married to the same person for those 3 years, live in the USCIS district where he’s applying from for at least 3 months prior to application, be in the US for 18 months out of the last 3 years, be able to speak and write in English, pass a civics test, and not leave the country from the time he applies until his citizenship is granted. And it costs around $700 to apply (that’s just for the naturalization filing fee, not counting what we’ve already paid for the permanent residency, and some people hire lawyers). This is not to mention all the information we have to provide on the application (which includes things like how many times he’s left the country, and for how long, over the last so many years – which in our case is a lot because he’s Canadian and we can drive to visit his family so we don’t necessarily have any kind of financial records like plane ticket purchases to go back and revisit to try to piece it all together) His path is an easy one, because he came here legally.
      For someone who came here illegally and then married and American citizen, I think getting legal status requires them to leave the country and re-enter legally (apply for legal status based on their marriage, but from outside the US). I’m guessing it’s a lot trickier to prove your marriage is “real” under those circumstances, and there is the chance you could be denied, and now you’re outside the US where your whole life is. And it costs over $1000 just to file for permanent residency, again not counting a lawyer if you hire one. We didn’t, but I can see why people do. When we were organizing his application, we had the entire floor of a room in our house covered with all the papers we were sending in. I think my scenario was one of the simplest, and it was still complicated and nerve-wracking.

      • madam. you and your ‘canadian’ husband represent why america is on the wrong track. we cannot afford you’re free loading. you should be ashamed.

        • NastyBossetti

          I know. He’s actually one of those immigrants economically anxious people should worry about, as he was recruited to come here from outside the country because people here didn’t have the skills to do his job. So not only did he take a well-paid American job, but he works on robots, which also take American jobs!

          • that’s hysterical.

            i’m actually 1/2 canadian (and have a passport). if the republicans take my obamacare day job, maybe we’ll head north. though god knows i don’t have many skills Canada would want…

            ;(

    • janecita

      No, he needs to apply for legal status.

  • Bitter Scribe

    Listening to that little girl sob as her father was taken away was the most heartbreaking, infuriating thing I have heard in years.

    I’m going to the gym now and try to work off some of this anger. I never use the punching bag, but maybe today I will, and I’m going to imagine Donald Trump’s face on the bag. Or maybe the face of some smug “illegal means ILLEGAL” asshole.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      I use the punching bag all the time. I need to use boxing gloves or my hands start bleeding. This would be one of those days.

    • whitroth

      Oh, hey, it ought to be legal to make up punching bag masks, and targets for folks with firearms and bows and such, with his face on it.

      I’ll bet you can still buy the ones with O’Bama’s face on it, so I guess it was legal….

    • marxalot

      The heavy bag is really helping me stay constructive. As are the now regular lunchtime gym sessions.
      Who knew authoritarianism would be so good for my cardiovascular system?

      • janecita

        Thanks to the Trump administration, I’m working out like a fiend!

        • marxalot

          If I don’t do cardio, the stress is liable to bust one of my gaskets.

      • Bitter Scribe

        Plus it’ll help you run faster when they come for you!

  • ViveLaPersistence

    Why is ICE not going into neighborhoods infested with violent gangs like MS-13, who truly are bad, murderous threats to our safety? MS-13 was active in my hometown in SoFla. Why is ICE rounding up innocents when there are plenty of these guys around? Is ICE chickenshit?…

    MS-13 (Mara Salvatrucha) is arguably one of the deadliest and most powerful gangs in the country. MS-13 has one of the largest memberships nationwide with operations in at least 42 states and the District of Columbia. MS-13 members mostly consist of Salvadorans or first generation Salvadoran-Americans, as well as Hondurans, Guatemalans, Mexicans, and other Central and South American immigrants. The gang has a reputation for committing extremely violent crimes, using a wide range of weapons and intimidation tactics.

    • janecita

      Interesting thing about the Mara Salvatrucha, they were a local gang in LA, but back in the 80s some of its members were deported to El Salvador, 30 years later they have members all over Central and South America.

    • zerosumgame0005

      because that would mean actually working?

    • CindyinEncinitas

      Because that would be dangerous for them. They are only going to go after the low-hanging fruit that doesn’t pose a threat to them. They don’t give a shit about us.

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      those fuckers scare the shit outta me.

      I’m WAY more scared of MS-13 than I am of the muslin terrorists.

  • 451 Byrnes

    I could only stand about 20 seconds of that video. This is not the country I defended for 22 years. This is a fucking nightmare I can’t wake up from…

  • I highly recommend that you do not watch the video. I mean, unless you want to see the saddest goddamn thing you’ll see today…

  • Persistent Demme

    I would like to thank all the special people that voted against Hillary.
    Not just Trumpanzees, but the T***p enablers that voted against Hillary

  • andyshelt

    What’s with all this soft liberal “deport them” BS?

    This Arizona teacher has a more “ahem” final solution to deal with immigrants (she seems nice!).

    Let’s hope Trump doesn’t hear about this as he will put her on his shortlist to replace Sessions when he inevitably throws him under the bus.

    http://www.latina.com/lifestyle/news/arizona-teacher-says-immigrants-should-be-killed

  • TootsStansbury

    We need to put a stop to the inhumane treatment of our fellow humans. What do we do? This shit is inexcusable.

  • Kooolest G

    That video was shot about 10 blocks from my house and let me tell you, my neighborhood is fucking furious. all the white people are making plans with all the churches so that undocumented people can hide in their neighbors houses. It’s full on Underground Railroad around here

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      Good on all y’all

  • private

    How innocent is Daniela Vargas?

    Daniela Vargas knew about the illegal firearm in the house. Under 18 U.S.C. 922, possession of a firearm by an undocumented person is a felony. Were additional laws broken by how the firearm was purchased?

    Did her father have a valid U-visa as she told reporters? If not, how was her brother and father able to work legally or even get a driver’s license, insurance or registration? If she knew about the illegal nature of their employment, did she aid or abet in any way by helping to secure false documents, fake SS numbers, fraudulent passports, etc?

    Why did she lie to ICE about her immigration status? A false statement to immigration officials is a crime under 18 U.S.C. § 1001.

    Why did she go into hiding after being interviewed by ICE, but at the same time decide to speak to local reporters and make a presentation at the protest?

    • QueerPunk

      Delicious pasta.

      • private

        bye Felicia

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      “Daniela Vargas knew about the illegal firearm in the house”
      Citation Needed.

      “Why did she lie to ICE about her immigration status?”
      Citation needed.

      Why did she go into hiding after being interviewed by ICE *citation needed* but at the same time decide to speak to local reporters and make a presentation at the protest? (Because the thought she was protected under DACA and because her brother and father were being detained unfairly.)

      • private

        http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/news/2017/feb/22/after-ice-raid-immigration-limbo-mississippi/

        “They were looking for weapons. Did they have any? Vargas knew about the gun. They had one for protection, she says.”

        “The officers asked to see her I.D., which was out in her car. They escorted her to her car, and she told them she was a DACA student…”Her DACA expired in November, so she lied to ICE.

        her brother and father were being detained unfairly??
        Its unfair to detail “illegal” aliens? Foreign nationals have no inherent right to live in the US, follow the law like all legal immigrants do.

        • mfp

          i’m pretty sure if you ask around long enough, you could find someone to help you pull that fucking stick outta your ass

          • private

            Save your snide comments and “ad hominems” for people who break the law.

          • mfp

            no, i’m saving them for fuckwads like you who are ruining this country with your hateful fucking giant-stick-up-your-ass racist bullshit, and parading it around under the guise of your fake concern for the rule of law and demented ideas of justice…fuck you, and fuck your fake fucking bullshit, no one here wants to read your moronic opinions on anything…we are sick of your kind, you are what is making this country un-fucking-livable, not some middle-age man trying to raise four daughters on a shit income or a college kid so afraid of your jack-booted thug asshole law-enforcers that she thinks she needs a gun…

            now, go back to your breitbart or foxnews flunky comrades and tell ’em what a hateful prick MFP is over on the wonkettes, how we’re all a bunch of close-minded lefties, and if ya want, i can provide my name and address and you can come and get ya some, cause i’ve about had it with you punk-ass mothafuckas, and i’ve got a flamethrower of votes i’m just itching to use on your punk asses…go fuck yourself and get the fuck off of this site

          • private

            You know there are anger management classes you can take. Please get some help.

          • mfp

            who’s angry…i thought i told you to get the fuck outta here…watch the video, you piece of shit

          • private

            Intolerant AND controlling!!!

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            well said. THANK YOU!

          • private

            I clearly see you are a vigorous supporter of free speech. Oh, never mind, free speech is OK only if it agrees with your worldview. Stop being the “thought” police and please remember to take your meds.

          • mfp

            yes, i am a vigorous supporter of my right to say that you’re a fake, a phony, a charlatan, and a fraud…you hide behind your fake concern of law and justice, defending broken and irrationally made laws, and meanwhile, you are a representation of all that is wrong in america today…all ‘law’, no justice–all punishment, no compassion…we’re sick of it, and we’re done with laying down while your kind steamrolls the rest of the country into being an intolerant, fascist state…we’re done with it, and any defender of it–you, for instance…now run along, the only thing worse than a phony is a phony who cant take a hint

          • private

            “you are a representation of all that is wrong in america today.”
            Lame response and completely unsupported by any fact. You know nothing about me. If I was all gung-ho on law enforcement, please explain why I generally support DACA and even granting citizenship to law abiding DACA individuals.

            A committee letter sent to the Department of Justice and the Departments of State and Homeland Security nearly two years ago said that at least 121 homicides “could have been avoided” between 2010 and 2014 had Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), under the prior Obama administration, deported immigrant convicts instead of releasing them.
            http://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/article131327329.ece/binary/ICE_Letter.pdf

            So instead of “crocodile tears” for “illegal” aliens why don’t you explain your immigration philosophy to the children, parents and spouses of the 121 victims. Remember the FACT, that if these criminal aliens were never here all those US citizens would still be alive. I am sure the victim’s families will agree with you. /s

            But that’s right, you only have sympathy for foreign nationals that intentionally break laws.

          • mfp

            i know all i need to know about you thru your posts, not the worst of which is that you wont ever just shut the fuck up with your phony concern trolling…show me the same concern about the number of homicides committed by racist white nationalists between 2010 and 2014 (i’ll bet it’s at least 121) with no credible law enforcement standing between them and an arsenal to use against the innocent, and maybe you can lend some credibility to your phony bullshit khaaa-ryst go the fuck away

          • private

            Using information from the Southern Poverty Law Center there were 9 incidents that killed or allegedly killed 20 people by racial supremacists, sovereign citizens, anti-government paranoiacs, and other believers in white fringe movements between 2010 and 2014. The victim number includes 8 police officers. One incident was a fatality by a plane flying into a building. You would have to review each case individually to determine whether racism was the motivation for the crime. Just guessing, but I would think the 8 police killings were for other reasons.
            http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/06/18/white_extremist_murders_killed_at_least_60_in_u_s_since_1995.html

            Wow, you were 101 victims off. The real question is whether you admit when you are wrong.

        • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

          1. YOu’re a liar. That says she “knew” – the VERY next paragraph: “She later said it seemed like she got some sort of pass because she told them about the gun, which they eventually found.”

          2. That article never says it expired, maybe another. What it DOES say she is a “FORMER DACA” person, so inference – okay. (IT’s a shit article). But there’s this: “her current application for renewal is still in process”. She had been DACA’d twice previously.

          3. I’d say it’s unfair – they’ve been here for a decade. Don’t give us that “illegal!” shit. This people were here, living in a home, working all law abiding (assuming the story about her brother being cleared is accurate). Trump said he was going to focus on the “bad hombres” – so that’s apparently a lie.

          Undocumented immigrants pay taxes (payroll tax, sales tax, probably state income tax, property tax, etc etc) and yet get no benefits from them. It’s odd how many times you people rave about how rights come from god and not the law, and yet want people to observe every letter of it (BTW, ask Trump and Co. about that shit, they seem to be big on “creative” interpretations of law). Lawful = / = moral.

          Without “illegal aliens” this country would collapse: prices of things would skyrocket, causing the economy to crash, leading to unemployment..getting rid of all the ‘illegals” would cost this country billions in taxes, sales, price increases on things like produce, etc – kinda opposite of MAGA.

          If you made it this far, I”ll give you this – I live right on the southern border. I could be in mexico in 20 minutes. We are a very safe city…we’re consistently ranked one of the safest of our size.

          • private

            Think before you comment. In her own words she both knew that a gun was on the property otherwise how could she have told ICE about it.

            2-Other news sources, even her own lawyer say it expired in November. Its a little coincidental she sent in a renewal around the same time her relatives were arrested. An application does not = renewal. On its website, the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services recommends that DACA recipients apply for a renewal between 150 and 120 days before their status expires.

            3-“All law abiding”?? did you forget felony possession of a weapon?? Explain to me how her father or brother can legally work without forging documents and job application paperwork?

            Everyone who pays sales tax gets the benefit of the product purchased or service rendered.

            Without “illegal aliens” this country would collapse???
            In 1986 after President Regan’s amnesty for aliens almost 3 million out of an estimated 5 million took advantage of the amnesty program, leaving ONLY 2 million in the US that did not qualify.

            I do not recall the country collapsing at that time.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            Try not being a liar when you comment.
            1. You said she lied about the gun, I asked for a citation, you provided me an article that says she KNEW about the gun AND told them about it. Liar.

            2. Fair enough. It expired, in November and she applied for renewal, which was pending after being twice approved. She probably expected it to be approved – we have no idea what EXACTLY she said to ICE, so stop making baseless assumptions that she “iied”. Speaking of which, I see bigger lies everyday coming from our elected officials (Trump, Sessions, Flynm, et al).

            3. Given that you people want everyone everywhere to have a gun, I find it surprising you’re harping on the fact that he had one. They weren’t drug dealers, murderers or gang members – which WERE targeted for deportation under Obama and SUPPOSED to be targeted for deportation under Trump. Think about this – all this time they were spending on this family, they could have gone after REAL “bad hombres”. I concede having the gun was a crime and he should probably be punished with that, but is it worth uprooting a family that’s lived here for a decade (and who’s daughter was trying to go to college without benefit of loans) – I don’t think so. that’s fucking stupid. They are as American as people “with papers.” As for work – maybe you should ask the places that hired them. After all, it is the company’s responsibility to check and verify. If the US didn’t have so many places willing to exploit undocumented workers for cheap pay, the workers wouldn’t come here.

            4. I noticed you only addressed sales taxes – probably cause you realize they get fucked ont he other taxes. Also too, that’s not how sales tax works. They enjoy the product or service they paid for, the tax goes to a dozen or two different things they may or may not benefit from. So – not moochers.

            5. Just because Reagan’s thing granted amnesty and created an offense DOES NOT mean those other undoc immigrations left. A little wikipedia – “Critics argue that the employer sanctions were without teeth and failed to stem illegal immigration.” This issue is not debatable – BILLIONS of dollars are stimulated, earned, spent, and saved thanks to the undocumented immigrants here. And we have WITNESSED the effects. Remember the thing in georgia a few years ago – where they were only hiring documented people to pick produce. They couldn’t get fucking CONVICTS to do that work – the produce rotted in the fields. The farmer lost money. It’s indisputable that not having immigrant labor to do things like pick produce would cause the price of produce to rise, meaning you pay more for it at the grocery store; the farmers would lose crops and money; the companies involved in storing, shipping, and selling produce would slash jobs. And that’s just ONE industry – imagine a similar effect in construction, the restaurant business, and all kinds of other places.

          • private

            1-I think you made an error. I never said she lied about the gun.
            2- I only stated what she said to the press.
            3- “you people” is a false generalization that does not require a response.
            5-I never claimed the 2 million that did not qualify for amnesty left, I only disagreed with your characterization that the “country would collapse” since that did not happen in 1986. An easy remedy for agricultural workers situation would be to enhance the existing H2-a worker program.

          • private

            Can I safely guess by your username that you live in Texas? According to DHS status indicators, over 215,000 criminal aliens have been booked into local Texas jails between June 1, 2011 and February 28, 2017. During their criminal careers, these criminal aliens were charged with more than 566,000 criminal offenses. Those arrests include 1,162 homicide charges; 68,151 assault charges; 16,678 burglary charges; 68,102 drug charges; 687 kidnapping charges; 40,465 theft charges; 44,626 obstructing police charges; 3,768 robbery charges; 6,098 sexual assault charges; and 8,596 weapons charges.
            https://www.dps.texas.gov/administration/crime_records/pages/arrestConviction.pdf

            Sounds like parts of Texas are not too safe.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            Sigh, this is getting tedious and I have stuff to do – so this is my last one. Enjoy the last word and your “victory”:

            1. Every time I refute something you say, you just move on to something else that I have to then refute, all without you offering a counterargument or evidence in support of your position (or maybe you could just concede the point). This is a gish gallop.

            2. I notice the part you cited tak’s about arrests and charges, and doesn’t mention convictions. Arrested/Booked/Charged does not equal convicted (and even then conviction does not equal actually guilty, but it’s the best system we have). Our criminal “justice” system is horribly broken and VERY biased against people of color. Not only that but various kinds of prosecutors stack charges like jenga pieces. So the same applies.

            3. Your chart shoes 314K arrests, and 140k convictions: That’s a conviction rate of roughly 45% and is pathetic. Arrests are based on probably cause that you committed a crime. Imagine if you were arrested 10 times in your life and only convicted on 45% of those things. (It’s even worse when you consider that people are arrested one time, but regularly charged multiple times). Multiple studies have found “illegal aliens” commit crimes at lower rates than citizens, so while those numbers are scary, that represents a HUGE fucking state. (Also, those people convicted of violent crimes SHOULD be deported, and again, were being done so, and in record numbers, by ICE under Obama. Now Trump has them chasing teenagers, college students, and the elderly. In the meantime, you’ve driven undocumented victims of those same crimes into hiding for fear of being deported. You’ve ensured that undocumented immigratns won’t work with police to solve REAL crimes for fear of being deported. YOU ARE NOT SAFER THIS WAY.

            4. “Sounds like parts of Texas are not too safe.” Again, you’re not using data or even common sense. We are CONSISTENTLY rated a safest city of our size based on the numbers. I would like to see how the rates in that chart compare to YOUR home state. (And not just counting “illegals’ but all crimes.)

            Why is it you people think a crime committed by an illegal is somehow much much worse than a crime committed by a citizen. Is murder not murder? Is rape not rape? Can’t we agree we should work on preventing, investigating, prosecuting, and jailing people who commit violent crimes and NOT createdsome stupid subcategory based on where you born.

    • yup all these things are why a 22 year old should be deported and also too make america safer.

      your version of america sucks.

      • private

        Do its alright with you if “illegal” aliens commit felonies? Do you believe Immigration law is not “real” law and should generally be ignored?

    • gene108

      I agree. ALL LAW BREAKERS MUST BE PUNISHED!!!!

      The person driving 50 MPH in a 45 MPH zone is a LAW BREAKER, no better than illegal immigrants.

      The problem is, like immigration laws, traffic laws are too often not enforced.

      We need to enforce every law to the fullest extent possible and must ostracize all law breakers as the criminal elements of society they are.

      If someone says they are law abiding, see if they follow the speed limit at all times. If they do not, you know they are lying. They feel they have the right to break the law with impunity and this, like illegal immigration, must be stopped.

      • private

        Giant false equivalence comparing citizens of a country committing minor traffic violations with foreign nationals breaking the sovereign laws of a nation.

        • Me not sure

          Both are civil, not criminal, offenses. So there is equivalence.

          • private

            Tell that story to the numerous criminal aliens incarcerated in Federal prison for immigration offences.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            deportation is a civil proceeding. That’s just a fact.

          • Me not sure

            They are in prison for other offenses. Merely entering may or may not result in being sent to detention facilities awaiting either a hearing or deportation. The Krome Avenue facility near Miami is an example. Detention is temporary and differs in law from a specified term of incarceration as a result of a criminal act. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b99ddaac4a7207586695d193c897b904c5ca29868e3325ae49b1154b96345e0a.jpg

          • private

            I agree that many aliens only end up being deported and serve no jail time. Unlawfully aliens entering the United States after being deported can be charged criminally – Reentry of Removed Aliens (8 U.S.C. § 1326). An alien who violates this statute faces a fine and/or imprisonment up to two years. If the deportation was the result of certain criminal convictions, the alien faces imprisonment up to 20 years.

            In other cases, aliens caught using forged documents, acquiring a fake SS number; etc. ends up with incarceration but this may not be specifically listed under immigration law tallies.

          • Me not sure

            But those are in fact other offenses. My daughter works as an English-Spanish interpreter in the courts and has seen a wide variety of cases. There simply isn’t enough room in Federal detention facilities for all of the undocumented people in this country, but even a minor traffic infraction can now result in what is called an ICE hold whereby local county jails are instructed to hold a person until ICE can pick them up. Some local sheriff’s don’t see it as their job to hold Federal detainees when their facilities are already overcrowded with criminal offenders who have committed crimes more serious than blowing a stop sign.
            Meanwhile the private prison industry waits in the shadows licking it’s chops.

          • private

            As you describe the crowding, why would a minor traffic infraction result in an ICE hold? Is it something like running a stop sign or greater violations like DUI or driving without a license, registration, or insurance that trigger a hold?

          • Me not sure

            My daughter worked ten cases involving undocumented defendants last week and every one resulted in an ICE hold, even for minor offenses like those you describe. This has only started to be true in the last 2 weeks in the county where she works. Previously minor offenses would be assigned a court date and told to return. Now they get held. I can’t swear if this is happening everywhere, but the county where she works does have large Hispanic and Asian populations. Trump is already proposing a 500% increase in beds at detention centers and has opened talks with private prison interests to build and run them. I have real philosophical issues with the state delegating its most potentially abuse prone responsibility into private hands.

        • gene108

          We all benefit from selective enforcement of certain laws. Even the most upstanding of people sometimes breaks a law because they figure the harm is minimal and the chances of being caught are small, whether it is traffic violations or littering or something else that is minor.

          Why shouldn’t immigrants benefit from selective enforcement as well?

          • private

            “Illegal” aliens by definition are NOT immigrants.

            Immigrants are people who came from other countries that have a valid visa or permission (green card) to work or live in the US. Also immigrants are people who have renounced their citizenship of their country and became American Citizens by the process of USA Naturalization.

            Illegal Alien – Also known as an “Undocumented Alien,” is an alien who has entered the United States illegally and is deportable if apprehended, or an alien who entered the United States legally but who has fallen “out of status” and is deportable.
            https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/immigration-terms-and-definitions-involving-aliens

            Why do you conflate the two?

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            because they, ya know, immigrated here. Look up the definition of immigrants…maybe look up the definition of definitions.

          • private

            Foreign nationals who violate US laws by entering illegally are not immigrants per se, the same way that shoplifters are not unreceipted customers. In my example, both want the same thing in a store..a customer buys it legally while the shoplifter steals it, thereby breaking the law. They both have a need for the same object but go about it in dramatically different ways.

            Try your theory of sneak in “immigration” in any other developed nation, and you will find out how quickly the government does not consider you an immigrant.

    • mfp

      and your fucking point is….what

      • private

        Save your hostility for people who break the law, not citizens expressing their Constitutional right to voice their concerns.

        The point is that DACA individuals are not immune to deportation. DACA is not Immigration Law that was passed by Congress through representatives elected by the people. It is a Presidential executive order that can easily be rescinded.

        While I support DACA, I have no sympathy for DACA people who break laws, especially when they possibly commit felonies.

        • mfp

          dont ever let me catch you rolling a stop sign, you piece of shit

    • “Daniela Vargas knew about the illegal firearm in the house.”

      Ha ha ha, so 2nd Amendment only applies to SOME people. :D

      • private

        You should know that the vast majority of the Constitution does not apply to foreign nationals.

  • QueerPunk

    Gov’t decided that children of people with “other ethnic background than Danish” are not Danish, even if they’re born here.

    Watch this, and watch for onion-cutting ninjas:
    https://www.facebook.com/gorillamediadk/videos/1856600327954091/

  • USWarrior1962

    Enter the country illegally you get arrested, not rocket science.

    • gene108

      Illegal immigration is not a crime. More often than not the it is a civil offense. You should not be arrested and jailed for civil offenses.

      • private

        Since its generally illegal for undocumented foreign nationals (exception for DACA) to work in the US, how many break serious laws by utilizing/purchasing fraudulent documents such as counterfeit Social Security cards, fake “green cards,” and phony birth certificates to illegally obtain employment.

        What other laws against harboring, identity theft, false statements to law enforcement or on school or government paperwork have been committed? In addition, how many aliens are working under the table and fail to file a Fed/State tax return or drive without a license, insurance or registration (prohibited in 40 states)? That leaves how many “law abiding” aliens?

        • mfp

          fuck you, get the fuck outta here….but before you do, watch the video, you hateful punk-ass piece of shit…take your fake concern for law and justice and go fuck yourself with it

          • private

            Your comments are a lesson in intolerance.

          • mfp

            you better believe it, brother…cause we’re sick o you and your kind’s shit

            ‘lesson’…implies ‘learned’…i doubt it, but we can always hope

        • gene108

          Not all laws are good and effective laws. Immigration laws are broken right now and need to be updated.

          Crying “you broke the law” does little other than hiding behind a canned response that ignores the real complexity of immigration today and does little to solve the problems people face in navigating a broken immigration system.

          People want to come to America. People have always wanted to come to America.

          The current system does not effectively meet or regulate the demand of people wanting to come here.

          Second, America is a country of immigrants. Even the most American of Americans can trace their ancestry back to someone, who came from overseas. Therefore rejecting other people’s desire to come here is hypocritical.

          • private

            Its easy to make excuses for the inability to accept the social contract of society. Blame laws. Blame police. Blame the government. Blame politicians. But never blame yourself or people who intentionally violate the sovereignty of a nation. Without laws and their enforcement there would be chaos.

            I enjoyed your diatribe about people wanting to come to America, but you really need to stop making excuses for foreign nationals who entered or stay in the US illegally. Blame the individuals for the poor choices and decisions they make. Do not blame the citizens who allow and support legal immigration.

          • gene108

            I have met no one, who is adamantly against illegal immigration, who actually supports legal immigration. For example, no one I have ever met says to increase the visa limits for H1B and H2B visas, so more people can work here legally, while opposing illegal immigration.

            First round up illegal immigrants, then make it harder for people to legally come to the USA, until immigration dramatically drops is usually the end result of the laws favored by people adamantly opposed to illegal immigration.

          • private

            You may have not met them personally, but there are a lot of people who feel that way, myself included.

            I fully support an expedited H1B and H2B programs with the only caveat being that measures should be in place to insure that unemployed citizens also have an opportunity to work any of the positions and that use of these programs would be unable to unfairly compete in bid jobs, construction for example..

        • gene108

          Immigration laws are not working, they are broken. Hiding behind “but, it’s illegal” ignores the complexities and realities of people trying to navigate their way through the immigration system.

          Second, America is a country of immigrants. Most white people’s ancestors came here, when the U.S. had very lax immigration laws for people coming from Europe. I find it hypocritical for people, who benefited from very minimal to no restrictions on immigration to decide to make it harder for new generations to do what their ancestors did and immigrate to America.

          • private

            The past is the past, laws are enacted and revised to reflect the needs of the country, NOT the needs of the law breaker. Immigration law has went through several changes over the years and modified through court judgments. Large numbers of legal immigrants navigate their way through the immigration system successfully every year.

            To apologize for foreign nationals who knowingly enter the country without regard for the sovereignty of the country or its laws is troubling. I find it hypocritical for people to say we should base current law enforcement on past practices. Using your argument, I should not have to pay income taxes since they did not exist before 1913.

            Over half a million people are living on the streets, in cars, in homeless shelters. Of that number, 206,286 were people in families, 358,422 were individuals, and a quarter of the entire group were children. According to Politifact, there are 40.5 million Americans who are not in the labor force between the ages of 25 and 64. Upwards of 21 million Americans could be described with some justification as “out of work” involuntarily, either fully or partially. Where is your concern for these fellow citizens?

          • gene108

            1. The USA is the RICHEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET. PERIOD. The 27 nation EU, with a combine population of 510 million people has a GDP of 16.5 trillion dollars. The USA all by itself has a GDP of 16.7 trillion dollars. If we appropriate and allocate resources effectively, we can both accommodate many more immigrants and solve problems of homelessness and poverty.

            2. Past laws, circumstances, and conditions are a reference point to give context to modern complaints. There’s nothing wrong in pointing out how lax laws, in the past, benefited people and they were able to pass these benefits onto their descendants.

          • private

            The US has a national debt of close to $20 TRILLION. That works out to $61,000 per citizen or $166,000 per taxpayer. Feel free to send the government a personal check for $166k to pay your portion. Please add any additional money you have to assist with the applications costs for legal aliens.

            There are approximately 7.5 billion people in the world, a portion who would like to live in the US permanently if they could. The citizens of this country through their elected representatives passed immigration law granting a level of legal control over the total numbers of people immigrating along with a strategy to prioritize people allowed to enter. Explain why the existing law should not be enforced?

            While sympathetic individual stories appeal to personal emotions, why reward irresponsible criminal behavior associated with illegal immigration when a legal process to become a citizen is available. The needs of a country vastly outweigh the needs of any individual “illegal” alien who selfishly puts their personal needs above that of the civilians of the country they trespass on.

          • private
          • Snarkbot 9000

            100% factual. Thank you.

  • DuchessD’Orleans

    “Illegal immigrants broke the law and must be punished! Period!”
    “Kellyanne Conway broke the law.”
    “But her intentions were not nefarious, so she should not be punished.”
    “?”

    • private

      “Kellyanne Conway broke the law.”???

      What specific law did she break? What if any are the legal penalties of breaking that law, if found guilty. I seem to remember something about “innocent until proven guilty”.

  • Keith Taylor

    Yes, cue that Toby Keith song which I am about to listen to because I don’t know it. Cue that old song “Legal Illegal” too.
    “It’s illegal to carve up your missus,
    Or put poison in your old man’s tea,
    But to poison the rivers, the seas and the skies,
    Or poison the mind of a nation with lies,
    (If it’s done in the spirit of free enterprise)
    Is completely and perfectly legal.”

  • phoenix00

    Somehow I have this inkling feeling America is not one iota safer, or is it really just me spitballing?

  • mailman27

    Needz moar Lee Greenwood.

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