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What Would Jello Biafra Do?

As you’re probably aware by now, last Friday, after the inauguration of Donald Trump, rightwing jerk Richard Spencer, the “I’m not a Nazi” neo-Nazi who coined the term “alt-right” to make white supremacism seem hip and cool, was punched in the face while being interviewed. This is the guy who led the crowd at an “alt-right” conference in Nazi salutes while shouting “Hail [or Heil] Trump!” He has called for “peaceful ethnic cleansing” of America.

He has since made his own follow-up video — filmed in what he called “a safe space” — whining about mean violent leftists dragging the level of our political discourse down. You could probably argue that the discourse was in pretty sad shape by the time open racists became a significant part of the support for the winning presidential candidate. And so now the hot topic online is whether it’s ethically OK to punch Nazis in the face.

Yr Wonkette is going to outsource our ethical guidance on that one to Ken White at Popehat, who has worked this out quite satisfactorily:

1. Nazis are scum.

2. Principles are in a constant struggle with viscera. I want punching Nazis to be acceptable, and find the spectacle of Nazis getting punched to be viscerally satisfying. Jesus Christ and John Donne aside, Nazi suffering does not move me. But I know that sucker-punching someone because their views are evil is wrong.

3. We have social and legal norms, including “don’t punch people because their speech is evil, and don’t punish them legally.” Applying those norms is not a judgment that the speech in question is valuable, or decent, or morally acceptable.

There’s more, but that’s the gist of it: If we want to live in a society that doesn’t allow people to take the law into their own hands, we have to say you’re not allowed to punch Nazis, particularly since there’s already no shortage of people who would feel similarly justified in punching (or running over) Black Lives Matter demonstrators, or liberals in general, who are of course the real fascists (after all, the Nazis were National Socialists!). That darned old Categorical Imperative is pretty insistent that we can’t say punching Nazis is OK.

We can tell you that Yr Wonkette has personally lost sleep over this issue: Sunday night, Kid Zoom was having an extended, impassioned late-night argument over the phone with his best friend (who goes to Reed College in Portland, say no more) about the morality of political violence, and it was loud. Kid was quite adamant that while it may be very, very satisfying to see a Nazi get punched, we can’t stay civilized if punching people is broadly accepted. Then once they moved on to talking about video games, I told him to hang the hell up. There are limits to free speech.

As a counterpoint, however, we do at least feel compelled to offer this snippet from Thoughts On The Dead’s post, “On The Propriety Of Punching Nazis, An FAQ”:

What about dialogue?

Dialogue is for reasonable people acting in good faith. Dialogue is between two acceptable positions. “Taxes need to be raised” vs. “taxes need to be lowered” is grounds for dialogue. “Taxes need to be raised” vs. “Jews should be thrown in ovens” is grounds for a beating.

But isn’t this sinking to their level?

That depends. After you punch the Nazi, do you espouse the tenets of National Socialism?

No.

Then you’re better than a Nazi.

So there’s philosophy for you.

And while we can’t say the punching of Nazis is morally advisable, and believe that of course the person who punched Richard Spencer should be prosecuted for assault (assuming he’s eventually identified — it’s the internet, he probably will be), we can’t deny there’s something deeply satisfying about seeing Richard Spencer get punched in the kisser. As one very wise person said recently, there’s nothing wrong with acknowledging the strength of the emotional impulse, then backing away and saying, no, I choose peace and love. Which makes us feel fairly OK about enjoying the many, many remixes of the video, particularly this one, which has a good beat and you can punch Nazis dance to it:

Also, there is this commentary from John Scalzi, blogger extraordinaire and originator of the Mallet of Loving Correction:

scalzi-on-punching-nazis

Further, also, too, there is this:

robertson-punching-nazis

Unfortunately, as a general matter, you can also imagine a wingnut saying the same thing about Black Lives Matters activists, and claiming there’s simply no reasoning with those people. Not true in the case of BLM, but as a shorthand justification, it’ll persuade the wingnut and get good people punched.

There’s also this: supermodel Chrissy Teigen in an actual Twitter argument with Richard Spencer over a Nelson Mandela quote:

teigen-punching-nazis

We have to say we’re rather delighted Ms. Teigen so regularly proves herself adept at pissing off wingnuts. Is it hypocritical to laugh at a Nazi being punched? Maybe a little, but probably not fatally so. We’ll just fall back on Walt Whitman: “Do I contradict myself? Well then I contradict myself.”

But if we’re not to punch Nazis, what are we to do? Yr Wonkette is awfully fond of another way of getting in Nazis’ faces, as practiced by the police department in Richard Spencer’s own part-time hometown of Whitefish, Montana: In the face of a planned march by neo-Nazis (eventually delayed when the organizer couldn’t afford the permit), a group of rabbis visited the police department and asked Police Chief William Dial if he’d be willing to show solidarity to the local Jewish community by putting a mezuzah on his office door. Not good enough, said Chief Dial:

According to public Facebook post by Scheier, Dial said, “No, I won’t put it on my office door. I want to put it in a more central location, where everyone will see it.”

Scheir and Dial then nailed the mezuzah, purchased in Israel and made of Jerusalem stone, to a door that “every police officer passes upon entering the station,” Scheir’s Facebook post read.

whitefish-mezuzah

And if you’re going to piss off Nazis, you may as well do it with something symbolic and physical — and something more permanent than a smack in the face. After the SPLC helped to sue the Aryan Nations out of their compound in Northern Idaho, the property was turned into a civil rights museum, and donors in Boise built a memorial to Anne Frank. A techno remix of Richard Spencer getting punched in the face is fine for a laugh, but ephemeral. Really fighting Nazis involves action, and making it clear they’re not welcome. Ever.

[NYT / SPLC / Popehat / Talking About The Dead / Forward]

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  • JohnBull

    Didn’t punch hard enough.

    • The Wanderer

      Yeah, he still has teeth.

    • Red Bird Resistance Engineer

      Yes. And I’m particularly angry that people are spending so much time debating this. He represents a violent philosophy so let him fact the consequences.

  • Villago Delenda Est
  • memzilla Ω
    • goonemeritus

      Do I need to wear spandex because that could be a deal breaker.

      • The Wanderer

        Agreed. For me, wearing spandex in public would be a morals violation.

      • You could try the Baron Harkonen get-up

        • The Wanderer

          The David Lynch version or the SF Channel version?

          • Lynch, of course.

            Well I recall realising that the only way to watch it was while partaking of certain psychoactive substances – not that I ever did, of course

  • schmannity

    Nazi punch goes well with Aryan cookies

  • wide_stance_hubby

    I keep coming back to this: if it was fine to have a world war to defeat Nazis 75 years ago, why is one face-punch so bad now?

    Or maybe the point is, never punch a Nazi using your fist: use a tank.

    • Martini Ambassador

      Stand your ground, large vehicle style. It would probably work as a legal defense in Florida.

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    I quite enjoyed this post on the topic.
    https://twitter.com/JohnDingell/status/823720484873314304

  • eka

    I like to follow the guidelines laid out by Die Aerzte – every time the nazis demonstrate, we go there too and just yell “scheiss nazis!” until they pack up and go home crying because we’re louder.

    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffljppeotl4) relevant part starts around 30 minutes in, but of course it’s all in German.

  • Prismo87

    Hitler missed getting shot by like 2 inches – guy next to him got that bullet – during his Putsch.

    Imagine if someone had just punched him a bunch in the head beforehand.

    History’s ‘what ifs’ are eternal.

  • schmannity

    Galt Right.

    • Prismo87

      Gulch Right.

  • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

    Hey Donnie, how about a nice Dutch Rub?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELD2AwFN9Nc&sns=fb

  • Nounverb911
  • ArgieBarfie

    That punch, he did Nazi it coming.

  • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

    Meh, yeah maybe punching him isn’t the best thing to do in a civil society. But, I dunno, I can’t really feel too bad about him getting socked for being a distillation of pure evil.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      He made a choice. It was a very poor one. There are consequences.

  • schmannity
  • Randy Riddle

    It’s not punching. It’s alternative dialogue.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      It’s a form of communication, just not verbal!

      • Randy Riddle

        It’s audible.

        • I do not want a sodding talk in boooo

          Sorry, automatic reaction

    • sw19bender

      Alternative Hug A Nazi today.

  • SmokinGood

    This Rawlsian says “Punching Nazis is fine”, because if I was a Nazi, but didn’t know it, I still think I should probably be punched.

    ETHICS!

    • schmannity

      Veil of Ignorance in action.

    • msanthrope

      You’ll never find a better answer than this.

  • Martini Ambassador

    Kid Zoom and I are in agreement on this.

    However, I have to admit that a part of me (a very petty part, perhaps) finds it delightful that somebody that has spent so long trying to make a good segment of the population scared for their safety and very lives is finally getting a taste of the same. Be scared, you Nazi scum.

  • MeerkatsRMammals

    I don’t at all condone violence. However, this scumbag has been running around the country spreading bullshit that our grandparents died fighting against during WWII. You’re entitled to your free speech, but others are entitled to disagree. Don’t expect spewing something so crazy & hate-filled to not back fire in some way.

  • Treg Brown
  • Nounverb911

    At least he didn’t get ‘glitter bombed’ like someone else we hate
    https://twitter.com/SheriffClarke/status/822999355946913793

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Go away, or I shall taunt you a second time.

    • The Wanderer

      Voting this shithead out of office would be good. “No cops to be found.” Clarke’s a fucking county SHERIFF, by definition a “law enforcement officer.”
      What? Didn’t he feel that his pistol could protect him from all those words?

      • The Wanderer

        LMAO
        Couldn’t catch clap in a brothel!

  • If a punch to the face makes him reconsider going out in public to espouse his vile garbage, then I am 100% okay with that punch to the face.

    Same applies to PharmaDouche having dogshit tossed at him (though, oddly enough, PharmaDouche by virtue of being NOT AN ACTUAL NAZI actually has the high ground over someone…)

    • snark-lurker

      Are you not kind of crowding Free Speech here?
      How about a tap on the shoulder &, “You better duck,” & BAM!

      • In Canada, free speech has more limits than it does in the US. He’d be in jail if he was up here, so a punch in the face v/ a 5 year prison term…

  • jodyleek

    I think this is a good picture for this story and sums up my feelings about how to deal with Nazis. And Eli Roth as the Bear Jew was the hotness. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/75b69f768e7dbb70985a5264df24edeb031f7711336cdef1989bd08c0b0dd6f9.jpg

    • Jenny

      Yes.

    • wide_stance_hubby

      Woof.

      Upfist for the pic and the clivias in your avatar.

    • mPEEg

      Thank you and, Amen, also~

  • Darkest Timeline Zach Morris

    There’s a reason why so many movies and games are made about WW2. It’s because Nazis are one of the perfect villains. Robots, aliens, zombies, and Nazis are all unsympathetic monsters that give players and viewers a visceral rush to shoot in the face. These are garbage creatures with a horrifying worldview, and cannot be tolerated or legitimized. Our grandparents would be shocked and horrified to see these scumbags gain a foothold here.

  • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

    There’s nothing Nietzsche couldn’t teach ya

    ’bout the raising of the Übermensch,

    Hitler, himself, was permanently pissed.

  • Lefty Frizzell

    I don’t think free speech need be tolerated where it is objectively contrary to public welfare and I think I’m OK with Nazis getting punched.

  • DoILookAmused2u ?

    That was not a punch.

    It was an “alternative” hug.

  • Treg Brown
  • The Wanderer

    Any scrap of Nazi ideology should fall under the “fighting words” doctrine, and therefore not protected by the US Constitution.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      “Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it was an ethos.’

      • The Wanderer

        An ethos worthy of a gentle Louisville Slugger massage.

        • FlownOver

          Make it more musical! Go full El Kabong .

      • natoslug

        I’d advocate not punching Nazis if we could definitely refer to their ethos in the past tense. It’s the fact that present tense also works for those festering scrotal lesions that makes me feel punchy.

      • Nasty Candy Apple

        “At least they knew how to decorate a rally.”

    • Latverian Diplomat

      The “fighting words” doctrine is applied in the heat of the moment situations, which this wasn’t really.

      I think he was recognized and someone ran up and punched because of who he was, not what he was saying to the interviewer at that moment.

  • I’d like to add that, as a Canadian, what he says in public is fucking illegal up here, and he COULD be jailed for it… I am SO okay with that.

    “Sections 318, 319, and 320 of the Code forbid hate propaganda.[3]

    “Hate propaganda” means “any writing, sign or visible representation
    that advocates or promotes genocide or the communication of which by any
    person would constitute an offence under section 319.”

    Section 318 prescribes imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years for anyone who advocates genocide.

    • Prismo87

      Canada has always been better at these sorts of things.

    • nightmoth

      Yet another enticement to me to move to Canada.

  • Thaumaturgist

    What’s even worse than punching Nazis is telling lies about The President. As a result of th lie the pool reporter told about not being able to find MLK’s bust in the Oval Office after Trump moved in, someone sent white powder to Kellyanne and now she needs Secret Service protection. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/unconscionable–2

    • Prismo87

      The Chatterbox lies a lot.

    • Jenny

      That was just her boss passing on more trucker speed.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      It’s telling that she revealed this on Reichsrundfunk, aka Faux Noise, on Lumpy’s show. Where she was certain not to be asked to substantiate her claim.

      All the veracity of Josef Goebbels reporting LIVE from Stalingrad.

    • snark-lurker

      FALSE FLAG! that’z not our style

    • Little Lulu ResistanceFighter

      If what she says is true – and I’ve never known her to say anything true – about someone sending white powder to her home, I fail to see the connection between that and a White House pool reporter’s error.

    • I have the distinct impression that Kellyanne Conway knows white powder when she sno sees it

    • Lefty Frizzell

      I think, on the whole, it’s OK to punch a Nazi in the face but I’m damn sure it’s not OK to send poison to KAC’s house. That raises the stakes from minor injury to death and it also involves a multitude of innocent people.

      However – she is as compulsive and attention-seeking a liar as her boss and I don’t see any compelling reason to believe it actually happened.

      • Thaumaturgist

        Good point. Did any other Trumplings get that kind of attention?

      • Celtic_Gnome

        This one is certainly easily proven. If a mysterious white powder was sent to her house, she should have called the police, who would have sent a hazmat unit to quarantine the area, collect the powder, and test it to determine what it was.

        May we see the police report, please?

    • snark-lurker

      that is not how we roll here, your a idiot

    • Red Bird Resistance Engineer

      I don’t believe her.

    • PubOption

      Donald is looking for any excuse for a bust-up with the press.

  • Darkest Timeline Zach Morris
  • Jenny

    Hey it’s not letting society punch anyone they want, it is very specific about who gets punched. Nazis.

    Is it ok to punch a nazi? No, not until I take my earrings off first.

    • Shan

      Let me hold them for you.

  • goonemeritus

    The multitude of online safe spaces for white supremacists have lead any number of awful people to wrongly assume the world doesn’t yearn to punch them in the face.

  • When they outlawed Dwarf Tossing this was bound to happen.

  • JohnBull

    Tiny payback for 6 million dead Jews and 20 million Russians. I’ll try to be snarky later.

    • Tiny payback for the beatings that modern Nazis dish out on a regular basis to those in minority groups. Just because it doesn’t get publicised doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen

      • La Tijera

        Got a link?

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    Wait, wait…did Spencer just use the word “safe space”? Fuck me.

  • Ωbjectifier

    Take the skinheads bowling
    Take them bowling

  • Come here a minute

    If “punching some sense into them” was a real thing, I would heartily endorse punching Nazis.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Unfortunately, it’s not likely to bring them to their senses, as they put their senses into a blind trust long ago.

  • Nounverb911

    Kellyanne Conway allegedly punched a Nazi too, also.

    https://twitter.com/NYDailyNews/status/823893623771197440

    • sw19bender

      Even an alternative clock is right once in a blue moon.

    • Prismo87

      I see the Chatterbox’s endless abuse of Adderall is taking its toll.

      Kellyanne Donnybrook.

  • Claire

    I think we on the Left need to stop worrying so damn much about whether we look like good people, and start worrying more about whether we ARE good people. Nonviolence is great, I’m all for nonviolence, but when there’s more handwringing going on about the morality of punching Nazis than about the morality of letting Nazi ideology become normalized in America and enshrined in its politics, a rethinking of priorities seems warranted.

    And yes, I know that it’s possible to worry about both at the same time. But realistically, Nazis are only emboldened when there are no consequences for their hate speech except a bunch of people standing around clucking at them. Is it more important to throw Nazi-punchers in jail than to have less emboldened Nazis? I’m not sure I agree.

    • Jenny

      This. Going high is great in a rational world but we no longer live there. I don’t care what the nazi fucks and their supporters think now. They’ve elected their new Hitler and it is time to fight back because we know what happens if we don’t.

    • nightmoth

      If I could upvote you 1000 times, I would.

  • sw19bender

    I’m sorry, wasn’t the false equivalence argument yesterday, with Brandi?

    Nazis get a fucking kicking. I’ll take the ensuing court date, no probs.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    First they punched the Nazi, and I said nothing. Then they punched the Nazi again, and I said “motherfucker had it coming”.

    • Paul

      I bow. That gets a gold star.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Thx. American dollars would also be accepted.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Look, it’s not like we’re talking about taking a swing at Sgt. Schultz.

    • The Wanderer

      Too big of a target, actually. No sporting aspect to it.

      • WotsAllThisThen

        Besides, he saw, heard, and knew nothing.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      John Banner served in the Army Air Corps in WWII and lost family to the Nazis. I think he’d be happy to do the punching.

      • Mr. Blobfish

        From Wikipedia

        The actors who played the four major German roles—Werner Klemperer (Klink),[61] John Banner (Schultz), Leon Askin (Burkhalter), and Howard Caine (Hochstetter)—were Jewish. Furthermore, Klemperer, Banner, Askin, and Robert Clary (LeBeau) were Jews who had fled the Nazis during World War II. Clary says in the recorded commentary on the DVD version of episode “Art for Hogan’s Sake” that he spent three years in a concentration camp, that his parents and other family members were killed there, and that he has an identity tattoo from the camp on his arm (“A-5714”). Likewise John Banner had been held in a (pre-war) concentration camp and his family was killed during the war. Leon Askin was also in a pre-war French internment camp and his parents were killed at Treblinka. Howard Caine, who was also Jewish (his birth name was Cohen), was American, and Jewish actors Harold Gould and Harold J. Stone made multiple appearances playing German generals.

        As a teenager, Werner Klemperer (son of the conductor Otto Klemperer) fled Hitler’s Germany with his family in 1933. During the show’s production, he insisted that Hogan always win over his Nazi captors or else he would not take the part of Klink. He defended his playing a Luftwaffe Officer by claiming, “I am an actor. If I can play Richard III, I can play a Nazi.” Banner attempted to sum up the paradox of his role by saying, “Who can play Nazis better than us Jews?” Klemperer, Banner, Caine, Gould, and Askin play stereotypical World War II Germans, and all had served in the U.S. Armed Forces during World War II — Banner[62] and Askin in the U.S. Army Air Corps, Caine in the U.S. Navy, Gould with the U.S. Army, and Klemperer in a U.S. Army Entertainment Unit.

  • ViveLaRésistance

    The real question here is not “Is nazi-punching okay?” * The real question is, “How can we get more Police Chief William Dials?” * I personally would not punch a nazi because I have no upper body strength, but if someone else punched a nazi, I wouldn’t call the police.

  • Shan

    How does the phrase “peaceful ethnic cleansing” even exist? That alone should be evidence enough that there’s no reasoning with them.

    They don’t just want to TALK about this atrocity, they want to ACCOMPLISH it. So when it it okay to punch them in the face? After they start putting their plans in action? That’s like making abortion illegal unless the pregnant person’s life is at risk.

    How many people have to have something worse than getting punched in the face happen to them before we do everything to stop it? Personally, I am okay with punching them in the face if that’s part of what it takes.

    • natoslug

      I checked both my washer and my dishwasher, and neither had a peaceful ethnic setting. The closest I can achieve is a delicate cycle. There was a whites setting, but I think that’s the opposite of what the Nazis are proposing.

    • As a Buddhist, the non-violent pacifist inside me disagrees with you.

      The rest of me agrees with you.

      • Shan

        I’m not normally a violent person but these Nazis aren’t going to respond to anything else because their whole platform is about committing violence to everyone who is not like them.

    • schmannity

      Self-deportation. Buehler, Buehler, Anybody?

      • Red Bird Resistance Engineer

        What if you’re native american? What about self relocation back to Europe?

        • Ezio Auditore

          They don’t want white Americans back.

          • Red Bird Resistance Engineer

            That’s not my problem. If a small group of White Americans think they are more European than American, they should go.

  • snark-lurker

    i donut think he really took a real hit. looks like a FALSE FUCKING FLAG swipe to me.

  • WiscoJoe

    OT: Fuck dumbass Nazis and punching. Anyone want to talk about the Oscar noms?

    • Nounverb911

      #toomuchmelgibson

      • WiscoJoe

        #LaLaLandSoWhite

      • Carpe Vagenda

        I have to think even the voters in that bowl of milk know better than to show the international market for our only positive export that we celebrate nazis as a culture, not just as an electorate.

      • Red Bird Resistance Engineer

        Notice how he is suddenly okay?

    • snark-lurker

      Oscar Moms close enough?

  • Carpe Vagenda

    deeply satisfying, by way of the AV Club

    Or….maybe you just get off on getting people angry and it helps you blow off a little steam and feel a tiny bit more in control of your life. Good for you. Or…maybe you’re serious about all the hurtful things you’ve been saying. If you ARE serious, I would like to welcome you back to our little corner of the web to spit and foam anytime you like. I can take it. I’m not afraid of you. There are more of us here and there always will be. So please come back! We’ll keep laying out dishes of warm outrage for you to lap up in the form of our vision of a better world, causes we believe in, actions we’re taking, etc., and in turn we’ll have peace of mind in knowing that you aren’t out in the world acting on the anger so evident in your hastily typed and misspelled defenses of a man who has been elevated to a position of immense power but in whom I’ve yet to see any evidence of virtue. You’llbe here where we want you and the most vulnerable among us will have one less danger to encounter.

  • cosmiccowgirl

    Since Nazis are basically in power now, I’m going to file this one under civil disobedience.

  • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

    Yeah, from what I remember, Nazis advocate violent race war until all the lesser races and breeds of human are extinguished. Which means this guy’s whinging isn’t just babyish, it’s hypocritical.

    Let’s be honest. The reason he’s trying to say liberals shouldn’t punch Nazis in the head isn’t because he thinks violence is bad. He’s just upset we outnumber him and have more fists.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      I think “peaceful ethnic cleansing” means that the ethnics being cleansed aren’t supposed to scream in agony while it’s happening. Other than that, it’s probably your standard ethnic cleansing.

  • sw19bender

    Ask most of Europe (and Neville Chamberlain in particular) how not punching a Nazi right at the beginning worked out.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0f709fd0cbbc8a65e583412e8e701162721bbbfab419652eeddfaba13dde9f2b.jpg

    • Shan

      Yes. We already know what these assholes are about.

    • Prismo87

      I figure if ole Adolf got punched in the heqd early and often, he might have been dissuaded from his annhilation of Europe and its peoples.

    • Werewolf

      Ok, I know this is the popular view, but in 1938 Britain was woefully unprepared for war. Letting the Krauts dismember Czechoslovakia sucked, but it bought time for Britain to start rearming. Which they did.

  • Red Bird Resistance Engineer

    Oh Wonkette, how nice of you. What I’m trying to remember is what kind of discussion “the right” had about punching people protesting Trump when that happened. Oh, wait, I remember, the victim was encouraged to forgive the assailant. I have yet to hear the white supremacist Richard Spencer say that he forgives the person who punched him. It seems like the use of violence is seen as justified as long as it is used by one specific group.
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/14/politics/donald-trump-protester-supporter-reconcile/

    McGraw was charged in March after online videos showed him sucker-punching Jones in the face. He later said, “The next time we see him, we might have to kill him.”
    McGraw and Jones appeared to put their differences aside when they came face to face in court. Jones said that the two men talked online before meeting, and came to an understanding.
    “He basically wanted to let me know that it wasn’t a racial thing that he didn’t threaten me,” Jones said. “It wasn’t scripted.”
    When Camerota asked why he hugged the guy, he said “It was more-so a natural reaction.”
    “You know what you did, and I know what I did. I’m not going to say you were wrong or I’m wrong,” McGraw told Jones, according to CNN affiliate WRAL. “I hate it worse than anything in the world. If I met you in the street and the same thing occurred, I would have said, ‘Go on home. One of us will get hurt.’ That’s what I would have said. But we are caught up in a political mess today, and you and me, we got to heal our country.”

  • mPEEg

    He advocates “peaceful ethnic cleansing”?? Is that like “getting fucked gently with a chainsaw”?

    • sw19bender

      Less murdery. Probably less rapey, but you never know with nazi-bros.

    • Red Bird Resistance Engineer

      It’s the verbal gymnastics that allows intellectuals who would get in trouble for saying genocide to advocate for genocide.

    • Usedtobeyellerdawg

      “Peaceful” = “With Votes”.

      • Red Bird Resistance Engineer

        They already accomplished that, didn’t they?

    • Michael Smith

      They preach this stupid notion that they can separate people peacefully into ethnically homogeneous areas. The old Nazis themselves harbored a version of this fantasy for a while. Apparently some of them hoped they could move the Jews to a vassal state and keep them isolated there. But the logistics were too much, so they just decided to kill them.

      The problem that would-be ethnic cleansers face is that the victims don’t see themselves as “not belonging here” just because they aren’t the ethnicity of which the cleansing party approves. Thus, they tend to be unhappy about being exiled and will resist and be uncooperative. Also, by the time the state has built up enough propaganda to make such an exile palatable for the general population, the cleansed party has suffered considerable privations. Therefore, they are even less prepared for some kind of forced march than would be other people.

      So even when a cleansing power doesn’t go to all the trouble of building industrial strength infrastructure for mass murder, you still end up with a lot of the cleansed people dying – of starvation, exhaustion, exposure, abuse from the guards, abuse from the surrounding population. See the Armenian Genocide, or the Trail of Tears.

      • tomamitai

        See also the Alhambra decree of 1492, when their Catholic “majesties” Ferdinand and Isabella kicked all the practicing Jews out of Spain. Practicing, in this case, meaning they declined to convert to Catholicism. A lot of them didn’t survive the trip.

        On the bright side, they did eventually rescind the decree in 1968.

    • AJ Milne

      I was gonna ask, but pathetically transparent doubletalk attempting to justify the unjustifiable, washed over with sleazy wannabe-intellectual elevator music gives me a rash.

      The ‘alt right’ gives extremism a bad name, for my money. There’s this cloudy, sleazy, ‘let’s totally corrupt even the language to try to slip the indefensible into common discourse’ quality to all they do. Stealthy little wanks, who, like so many con men everywhere will at least partially fool themselves first. The first casualty of their assault is the usual one. Were it in my power to assign them a hell, it would be one in which they cannot escape the net, and it’s all celebrity clickbait. And whatever they click on, it always goes to a hacked CNN front page, displaying compromising photos, pulled from their own webcam, and then made even more gratuitously, pointlessly degrading in Photoshop. Karmic, after all. Live by assaulting reality, die by it.

  • NastyBossetti

    I’m not a very good puncher, so I’d probably opt for kicking a Nazi. And I’m not sorry about it. If you’re for ethnic cleansing, even if you put the word “peaceful” before it, you can fuck right off, and I will feel no sorrow for you getting punched in the face. I think he got off easy.

  • sercanet

    If you want to claim publicly that you are not a Nazi, maybe you shouldn’t wear the fashy haircut as a dogwhistle to the other Nazis that you are one of them.

    Just sayin’.

  • Anna Rompage

    I have no qualms about someone punching a Nazi in the face, or even beating them to a bloody pulp really….

    I will do everything in my power to protect everyone’s free speech, until they cross the line by advocating or supporting actual genocide… Then fuck them, the gloves come off…

  • Nounverb911
  • Nasty Candy Apple

    Bash the fash. With or without votes, I don’t care.

    The Mezuzah idea is great, too, though.

  • Beanz&Berryz

    … say no more… is what brought Bz&Bz to Portland…

    And, … say no more… has a nice literary parallel to Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance…

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    Hate to admit it, but one of my favorite images of 2016 was the photo from the Nazi rally in L.A. of some Latino badass curb-stomping an Aryan scumbag with his steel-toed Doc Martens. I don’t have the photo handy, but if I did, I’d make a little shrine and light candles to it every morning.

  • Blacktop Autumn

    I like laughing about nazis getting punch as much as I like laughing at people who get fired for posting bigoted shit on Facebook.

  • Cousin Itt de La Résistance
  • WotsAllThisThen

    Neo-Nazis were sad and pathetic and could be ignored until that asshole Trump came along.

  • Hairstrike Alpha

    Punching a Nazi is this eras “Ow My Balls!”

  • natoslug

    I’d like to say that I am opposed to violence at all times. Then again, I’d like to say that the past 9 months of skipping my workouts and walks and focusing more on work and night classes had no effect on my physique.

  • Marceline

    Nazi punching is bad. Now that we’ve got that out of the way. Here’s a page gathering memes of the video set to music. “Born in the USA” is my personal favorite followed closely by the one set to Celine Dion’s “My Heart Will Go On.”

    http://www.thefader.com/2017/01/23/richard-spencer-punched-to-music-memes

  • mPEEg

    Spencer sounds conflicted about fully embracing the meaning of growing into, and evolving toward, a true “Deplorable.”

  • anon_the_great

    Don’t punch a Nazi. Ignore the Nazi. Rather, take out the technology used to spread the hatred and the lies.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Can’t we punch Nazis AND get rid of Twitter?

      • sw19bender

        Where will I go for my kitten gifs?

    • Claire

      I seem to recall ignoring the Nazis not working so well last time. In fact, I’m pretty sure the “ignore the bully” strategy has never worked in the history of humanity.

    • Treg Brown
    • Villago Delenda Est

      Good luck shutting down the intertoobs. Easier to punch Nazis.

      • artem1s

        they are getting ready to take out Net Neutrality next. so we’ll see how easy it is to take down the intertoobs.

  • Michael Smith

    “Unfortunately, as a general matter, you can also imagine a wingnut saying the same thing about Black Lives Matters activists, and claiming there’s simply no reasoning with those people.”

    Right, the problem is that wingnuts will take every argument you have and Kellyanne it – respond with a weak ad hominem against “liberals,” who are hypocrites because they have “the same kind of people” on our side.

    Really, the analogous group is never actually analogous: Despite what some inexplicably respected and influential conservative commentators say, BLM is not a terrorist group or a hate group, while the alt-right is at least an actual hate group. Hillary Clinton’s emails are not analogous to Donald Trump lying about everything under the sun and refusing to back anything up with proof.

    However, the real problem with ad hominem attacks is that even if they were analogous, it wouldn’t make either side’s behavior any less wrong. For instance, if BLM really were a terrorist group, the it wouldn’t be any less of a terrorist group if we pointed out that the alt-right a terrorist group, too.

    Of course, in reality, the reverse it true. If the alt-right refuses to engage, and understands only force, then they are menace to a free society (just like the real Nazis were). And if there are liberal groups that may behave similarly (there aren’t), that doesn’t make the alt-right any less of a menace. To argue otherwise is to essentially say “we know the alt-right is evil, but we believe the other side does the same thing, so we don’t care.”

    • Claire

      Also the problem with arguments that “you’re just giving the other side ammunition.” It literally does not matter in the slightest whether we give the other side ammunition or not – if they can’t find it in our actual acts, they’ll invent it out of whole cloth. Half of the mess we’re in is from Democrats tiptoeing around for fear that Republicans will say something bad about them. They’re going to anyway, might as well earn it fighting the good fight.

      • Michael Smith

        Exactly. Yes. Like if Meryl Streep hadn’t given that speech, conservatives wouldn’t still be saying “See liberals are so tolerant – except for of views they disagree with.”

      • tomamitai

        Yeah, didn’t Obama and the CIA sit on the Trump-Putin dossier because the Republicans screamed it would be “politicizing the intelligence community” to publicize it before the election? How’d that work out? Did the FBI director exercise the same discretion with those “new” emails found on Wiener’s computer? This ain’t just some friendly rivalry between factions going on, we are at war with people who want to turn the clock back to the 1850s.

  • snark-lurker

    active troll deep below

  • Toomush_Inferesistance

    I suppose it’s better than making them wear a tattoo on their wrists, but really – making fun of Nazi’s is the best revenge…

  • Juan de Fuca

    The irony of a white nationalist using Nelson Mandela quotes to debate a woman married to a black guy means we’re probably talking about Richard Spencer.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      If only he knew what “irony” means.

      • Beanz&Berryz

        Other than the Irony Cross…

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          It’s a popular medal with this bunch.

    • Nasty Candy Apple

      He does that so when you respond, he can nail you for arguing with Nelson Mandela. Not because he actually admires or agrees with it.

      • Red Bird Resistance Engineer

        Exactly.

  • Ωbjectifier

    Scheir and Dial then nailed the mezuzah, purchased in Israel and made of Jerusalem stone, to a door that “every police officer passes upon entering the station,” Scheir’s Facebook post read.

    Not the point, I know, but please lay off the religious iconography in gov’t facilities. Regardless of how much it may piss off nazis.

    • Nasty Candy Apple

      Yeah…maybe you’re right. Because it pisses off the Fascists, I’m willing to let it slide, but you could put up a picture of Lyudmila Pavilichenko instead, a WWII-era Soviet sniper with 309 confirmed Nazi kills. That might subtly make a point.
      http://www.badassoftheweek.com/pavlichenko1.jpg

      • The Wanderer

        I’d prefer to show live Nazis pictures of dead Nazis to make a subtle point.

        • Nasty Candy Apple

          That works too!

  • hendenburg2

    Has anyone else seen the thing going around FaceSpace urging people to send email Sen. Feinstein with their stories from the Women’s March? And if so, can you verify if it is true or not?

  • TJ Barke

    I’d consider their feelings if they weren’t proponents of genocide.

  • Mavenmaven

    This is an acceptable way to “debate” actual Nazis.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isVwqPyxLM8

  • sw19bender

    Fascists get fisticuffs.

  • Daniel Hooper

    I’m just feeling a little better knowing that, while both this jerk and I have now both been sucker punched, we’re as unalike in every other way.

    He was spouting Neo-Nazi garbage; I was trying to help someone.
    He went stumbling from the blow; I didn’t even drop my coffee or the groceries I had in my arms.
    His attacker got away; mine ran right into the grocery store security that was already looking for him for trying to choke out one of their employees.
    He’s too scared to go out without security; I take the same route I got attacked on every time I go out still.

    So yes, sucker punching people isn’t good, per say, but if the potential threat of getting punched is enough to keep you in your, “safe space”, then maybe it’s time to think if your ideas you were standing up for when you got punched are really worth it.

  • Lizzietish81
    • Celtic_Gnome

      Interestingly, a number of red state legislatures would like to make actions such as that legal.

  • Beanz&Berryz

    As a point of terminology, I’m happy to drop alt-right, since that’s the term they like, for the same reason I like Obama calling out ISIL. Pissing them off over their name is perfectly appropriate, which works for Trump too, but that’s covered in other threads.

    But, what do we call these Nazi fuckers? I want to call them whatever the broadest correct name is without giving them an iota more credit or credence to call out any over-statement. Nazi seems almost right, but it seems that there then becomes a parsing between actual literal German Nazi and the retro-Nazi Americans, which do have some distinction from literal German Nazis. Fascists seems safely general without getting caught-up in the literal- retro- hair-splitting, but fascist doesn’t seem to carry quite the weight and severity that these fuckers deserve….

    So, do we just stick with calling them Nazis, because it’s close enough? Or Retro Nazis? Thoughts?

    • puredog

      I always thought Neo-Nazi was a serviceable term.

      • Beanz&Berryz

        That sounds pretty good to me…

    • yyyaz

      Neo-Nazis, Little Hitlers, Asshats, Heils of Shit, Swastikunts.

  • Angela Ruzzo

    Isn’t our entire military policy based on having lots of weapons we HOPE we won’t use, but we have to have them to show how strong we are so as to preempt attacks by our enemies? Are we not told, as individuals, to do the same thing in our personal lives by standing up to potential threats by carrying guns everywhere, including elementary school classrooms? Is violence not the only thing that Nazis understand? If dialogue worked with Nazis, WWII would never have happened. 20 million people died because Nazis don’t respond to dialogue.

    One could continue this analysis forever, but the real questions are “Are you civilized?” “Do you live in a civilized society?” “Will punching the Nazi help us achieve a civilized society?”

    Since we live in a society that legally allows us to shoot a complete stranger in public with a concealed weapon because they scare us or we THINK they might hurt us, or maybe it’s just dark and we don’t recognize them as our own spouse trying to get in our front door at 3 am (https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-shoots-kills-wife-reportedly-210400905.html), I would say that we do not live in a civilized society, and it is OK to punch a Nazi until the time comes that we do live in a civilized society. Punching the Nazi might actually make that day come sooner.

  • Oblios_Cap

    I’m pretty sure that it’s quite alright to punch any Illinois Nazis that one comes across with no karmic retribution .

  • Treg Brown
  • anwisok

    “Really fighting Nazis involves action, and making it clear they’re not welcome.”

    I would respectfully submit that “punching” is an action, and generally makes it clear to the punchee that they are not welcome. At all. And, it’s highly entertaining for onlookers!

  • Edith Prickly

    I was a martial artist for ten years (really) and still strongly believe that one should only strike in self-defense (or defense of someone who got hit first.) But if it’s me who’s hitting back, look out.

  • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

    “The freedom of opinion and the reasonable maintenance
    of it is not a crime and ought not to occasion injury.” –Thomas
    Jefferson to G. Granger, 1801.

    And there you are.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Jefferson never met Reinhard Heydrich.

    • sw19bender

      “reasonable” being the operative word.

      Violent thugs get thugged on, violently.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Being a Nazi, by definition, advocates the violent genocide of all but one of the world’s races. Likely including you.

      There’s tolerance, and then there’s the famous Onion headline “ACLU defends KKK’s right to burn down headquarters of ACLU.”

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      Sounds good but also, reminder that Thomas Jefferson owned slaves. No single person or single statement contains all the perspective we need on any moral issue.

      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        I once heard someone say that they’d make a Venn diagram of Jefferson’s public statements and what he did in his personal life, but that would imply that there was an overlap.

  • Ezio Auditore

    If they can make movies about Nazis getting killed, there’s nothing wrong with watching one get punched in real life.

    • azeyote

      but he mussed up his hair too – that’s over the top

  • Mr. Blobfish

    I’m Polish on my mother’s side. I recall the war stories the old-timers told about the knock on the door in the middle of the night and this relative or that were never seen again. So, if you want to be a real Nazi or pretend you are one, not cool. If getting punched is the worst thing that happened to you today, consider yourself lucky.

  • John Iwaniszek

    stinking anarchists and fucking nazis deserve each other.

    • sw19bender

      What about well-groomed anarchists?

      • sw19bender

        And asexual nazis, come to think of it…

      • TJ Barke

        Fuckin’ A, right?

        • anwisok

          Naw, man. Fuck an O. Much smoother.

  • Bub the Hoohah! loving Zombie

    I hesitate to advocate violence, but…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f213e207c61deaec3a0a3646a8b1c55553b980b321eca81c550c86f651cd2cb2.jpg

    Also, I think the interviewer should have been asking about more important things than a stupid fucking cartoon frog.

    • NastyBossetti

      “Just asking questions!”

    • OddMan

      Lotta punching going on, from the NY Daily News.
      Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway allegedly punched a man in the face at President Trump’s inaugural ball
      http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/kellyanne-conway-allegedly-punched-man-inauguration-ball-article-1.2953968?

      Now this was ‘allegedly’ just to stop two tuxedo clad men from fighting, she was being the ‘allegedly’ tough bouncer I guess.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      If he really said that, then his website is a fairly sanitized version of his “views.” Which makes sense, come to think of it.

      • Jgb979

        I’m sure he deleted once he gained some infamy-just so he can put on a more reasonable front to attract newcomers (which is why all cut and pastes come from the way back machine)

        It’s why Scientology never tells you about xenu creating a bunch of alien ghost souls until you’ve spent about 25,000$

    • Werewolf

      ^THIS RIGHT HERE!

  • The Librarian

    I thought safe spaces were for liebruls? Is Richard switching sides? Lol, no silly liebrul, Trix punches are for Nazis.*

    *I prefer punching Nazis with words but I’m not sorry about Mr. Spencer getting Smacks.

  • Blackest Noobs

    oh gosh! were any Nazi-wannabe’s harmed in this video?!?

    • MynameisBlarney

      Just the one.
      He was last spotted in tears, nursing a severe case of butthurt.

      • o’look Skwerl!

        I believe the Red Cross first aid book recommends a boot to the ass for a case of Nazi butthurt.

        • MynameisBlarney

          I concur.

    • o’look Skwerl!

      Snowflakes, like our snowflake president.

    • cheetojeebus

      Gawd I hope so.

    • NastyBossetti

      Unfortunately, it looks like the answer to that is no, not really.

  • MynameisBlarney

    Today in “How fucking awesome is Nick Offerman? This fucking awesome!” News.

    http://cheezburger.com/1413637/nick-offerman-gets-caught-up-in-a-photoshop-battle-while-wearing-a-pussy-hat

  • Ezio Auditore

    Regardless of whether you think it was “morally right” to punch this guy in the face, can you deny the satisfaction from watching this smug bigoted jerk get what he deserves?

    • Brendan_M

      Yes, I can deny that. I took no pleasure in watching this man who advocates for ridding America of black people get a punch to the face.

      #AlternativeFacts

  • o’look Skwerl!

    https://antiracistaction.org/points-of-unity/

    We go where they go. Whenever fascists are organizing or active in public, we’re there. We don’t believe in ignoring them or staying away from them. Never let the Nazis have the street!

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3a/Anti-Racist_Action_%28emblem%29.png/220px-Anti-Racist_Action_%28emblem%29.png

    • sw19bender

      Good to see that Emily the Strange hates Nazis.

      As she obviously would.

  • Lizzietish81
  • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

    Rwanda. 1994. What could go wrong?

    • Idiokraticdrumpfenjugend

      I’m blaming the Hutus.

  • azeyote

    well i guess a gia trump is being sold now – so why not a large bobble head nazi or punching bag nazi? – put your own nazi favorite on it and punch away –

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    I don’t exactly go around to beer halls looking for Nazis to punch, but if I get a little putsch…

    • boredcatlady

      I came here to drink beer and punch nazis, and we’re almos-oh look, more beer!

  • Crystalclear12

    I can’t stoop to punching Nazis. . . I have trouble getting back up.

  • Ezio Auditore

    I just want to point out how ironic it is that the very same alt-righters who defended crooked police officers for killing unarmed black people are now the very same ones who think that the guy who punched a Nazi “went too far”….

    • Red Bird Resistance Engineer

      This! But then they always assume that the unarmed black person deserved to be shot.

    • Anna Rompage

      They’re a special kind of fragile snowflake…

  • Ilgattomorte

    So if we agree that, while punching a Nazi is satisfying, that type of thing should not be condoned in a polite society. Can we then also agree, that it is totally appropriate to give a Nazi a deep wedgie or wet-willie? Also, who among us would not kick the occasional Nazi in the berries?

    I say let he among us who has not melvined a Nazi, cast the first stone (at a Nazi, of course).

    • Villago Delenda Est

      that it is totally appropriate to give a Nazi a deep wedgie or wet-Willie?

      Or, for that matter, the dreaded rear admiral?

      • BosGrl

        Where the heck did you guys go to school?

        • Villago Delenda Est

          Springfield Elementary. Why do you ask?

        • sw19bender

          Give them the soggy biscuit!

      • WotsAllThisThen

        Give them the rear admiral followed by an operation overlord.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Meh. If I went around advocating the violent genocide of everyone who wasn’t like me, I’m pretty sure I’d earn a punch in the head no matter what society I was in. It doesn’t change anything if I’m a member of a group that thinks the same.

  • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

    OK but, Surf Nazis Must Die!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8LV1S2q2GA

    • boredcatlady

      Aw, bring back USA Up All Night!!!!

      • JH Marx, Resister

        Rhonda!!!!

  • folderol

    I love to be a Nazi troll
    I wear an armband wherev’r I go
    I like to use (((parentheses)))
    And say “Sieg Heil!” when I sneeze

  • Michael R

    He doesn’t want to be called a Nazi . OK Ricky

    https://s28.postimg.org/dx5o5mxrx/Inglourious_Basterds.jpg

  • Sandy Beaches

    I can’t reconcile this with how I would have felt if Sheriff David “Dick” Clarke had punched someone in the face. “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it” – Evelyn Beatrice Hall

    • sw19bender

      Although he’s well on his way to becoming a nazi, he’s not there yet.

      When he is, let me know.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      Depends. In this hypothetical situation, did Clarke punch a Nazi?

  • That depends. After you punch the Nazi, do you espouse the tenets of National Socialism?
    Ok, that made me lol,
    But both Dok and dude 1 are correct; it is not ok to punch people, even evil scum sucking Nazis what got punched

    • shaar dula

      The US citizenship application explicitly asks if you have ever been associated with Nazis or Communists. It explicitly asks if you have participated, aided, or advocated genocide or violence.

      If the answer to any of these questions is yes, it is reasonable to assume that your citizenship will be denied.

      https://www.uscis.gov/n-400

  • Sardonicuss

    The old doc series “World at War” used to show all time when the History channel still showed..history. Sir Lawrence and his somber monotone narration was great.
    There were many..many horrible actual videos on it but one that always comes up in my mind when I even see the word Nazi: is one of an SS officer with a riding crop hitting an old Jewish women in the chin to make her look up at the camera.
    There have been a lot of horrible ideologies, political system, despots thoughout history….but only one is so heinous, it is illegal to mention or depict in its, now free, country of origin,…. for good reason
    They want to normalize discussion of their hateful ideology by voicing it in public as much as possible. Repetition is their friend.
    TL:DR: They should be punched every time they open their mouths near a microphone or camera. Every single time.

    • cheetojeebus

      I agree, but i do wish to add, had we the same level of documentation of the genocide of the native american our current course would be quite different. How I don’t know.

      • snark-lurker

        mebbee. mebbee too many of us are born to be evil. Slavery was documented

      • Sardonicuss

        Oh there are plenty of instances of equally horrible systems that lacked only the machinery of war to be as heinous…
        But WWII? The systemic eradication of millions for a warped idea?…..earns its place as the sole bit of history that every human should revile to the point of violence.
        We know Nazism and fascism is a contagious meme requiring only the right conditions to reemerge. You cant let it grow, it has to be inoculated against and stopped at its first signs.

  • cheetojeebus

    Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining and not expect to get kicked in the nads.
    Also too, The whole dissembling about what taxonomic qualification of fucking evil you represent really gets my goat. They don’t even have the courage of their convictions the fucking pussies.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    I just took a brief look through the National Policy Institute (Spencer’s organization) site. Fascinating stuff. Some pretty intelligent people there, but saddled and crippled by a religious, fundamental belief that “races” are real and significant, and that “culture” is a) inevitably tied to “race”, and b) is a fragile thing, constantly under attack.

    I disagree with both these premises, so when I see smart people tying themselves in knots trying to explicate and defend them, I feel like I am watching a clever schizophrenic spinning fantastic yarns and trying to present them as reality. It’s entertaining, but ultimately sad. And in this case, dangerous – because unlike schizophrenia, racism is contagious.

    • sw19bender

      “I’m merely a racialist!”

      • TJ Barke

        “I don’t think that filthy *insert racial epithet* are inferior, I just don’t want anything at all to do with them, because some totally not post hoc rationalizations.”

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      It kind of reminds me of how someone once described Ben Carson, as being a supercomputer with a small problem that moves the decimal one place to the right in its calculations. There’s an awful lot of power in the system, but the answers keep coming out wrong.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    Me? I hope that getting punched in the head is the best thing that happened to Richard Spenser in the rest of his miserable life.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    Looks to me like Spencer ran into that guys sieg heil salute.

  • anwisok

    Wow. Either Wonkette is gonna let us bend the living shit outta The Rules today, or Dok’s got a lot of work to do in this section of the non-comments! o.0

    • natoslug

      Fortunately, Wonkette does not allow comments, so checking this post can be skipped entirely.

  • Hey Dok, does Kid Zoom play the new video game No Man’s Sky?

    • TJ Barke

      Sure, if he hates himself.

      • Pfft. Don’t believe the negative hype. If you’ve played it and don’t like it, great. But, this is the video game I’ve been waiting for. I love it.

  • BosGrl

    OT: According to @edhenry on Twitter, Drumpf is getting ready to announce a Supreme Court nominee next week.

    • Martini Ambassador

      I just threw up.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Judge Judy? No, way too dignified…

  • Vecchioivan

    Punching people is wrong.
    Nazis are people, kind of.
    Punching Nazis is kind of wrong.

    – QED

  • Edith Prickly

    Look at that fucking wanker. He was probably just mad that the puncher messed up his little fascist pompadour coif.

  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    Ethically, in America, it is used to be not okay to punch anyone. Then the right wing noise machine started manufacturing stories to frighten their voters. As a result of that fear we now have stand your ground laws and crap like that. So now it is okay, according to the right wing, to punch people as long as you are in fear for your life. I would say that policies advocated by Nazi’s would definitely put me in fear for my life. My worry is that the constant escalation will lead to a new civil war…which we may actually need to fight to protect the Constitution from the right and the other Nazis.

    • sw19bender

      Sounds great. Try not to let the losers off with a stern warning, before handing their swastika flags back, for “heritage” purposes this time.

      • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

        Noted. Heritage, not hate= A heritage of hatred.

  • Shan

    Ok so if “peaceful ethnic cleansing” means the Nazis give up all THEIR property, jobs, businesses and all other resources in order to segregate themselves off into their own perfect White Nation (somewhere not already inhabited) then I’m fine with not punching them in the face. But they only get to take one suitcase with them.

    • Vecchioivan

      So, Antarctica then.

      • sw19bender

        Why do you hate penguins!!!!!!

      • Ezio Auditore

        Why subject Penguins to such a cruel fate?

      • natoslug

        Penguins are people too! Or more so than Nazis. Garbage patch or nothing for Nazis.

    • natoslug

      The Great Pacific Garbage Patch is currently unoccupied and ready to be renamed Sudetenland.

      • sw19bender

        Why do you hate garbage!!!!!!

        • natoslug

          Garbage knows what it did and why I hate it.

          • MynameisBlarney

            Geeez, that was YEARS ago!

            Let it go, it’s time to move on. Besides, just think of all the fresh, new garbage out there not being hated.

    • Ezio Auditore

      As someone with roots in Italy, white people initiated two World Wars and spent hundreds of years in Europe murdering each other. Leave the Nazis in their own little world and they’ll off themselves within a year.

    • Sardonicuss

      I saw a stat the other day that pointed out that Argentina is 85% white. The U.S. ..is only 63% white and falling fast.
      Therefore….peaceful ethnic cleansing would be sending all the Nazi’s to Argentina!

  • Latverian Diplomat

    While I agree in principle that speech shouldn’t get someone a punch in the face, hundreds if not thousands of people get punched every day under far more unjust circumstances than this. So Spencer is way down on my list of things to worry about. Priorities, man.

  • Beowoof14

    As history shows, sometimes, want to or not, the only thing that backs off evil is a punch in the face. The real not the metaphorical punch.

  • President in Exile Firefly

    Saaaaay, you know who else punched Nazis?

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      Himmler?

    • The United States of Fucking America and friends

    • Captain America AND Wonder Woman?

      • MynameisBlarney

        I think Superman may have punched one or two gnatzees as well.

    • Beowoof14

      Simon Wiesenthal

    • natoslug

      One of my grandfathers? Wait, no, he was in the South Pacific, so just Japanese soldiers, no Nazis. Dammit.

    • Treg Brown
      • o’look Skwerl!

        And Daffy Duck! But that was a mallet on the head.

        • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

          SCHULTZ!

    • Brendan_M
    • The Wanderer

      Franklin Roosevelt. Yeah, Nazis, a liberal cripple in a fucking wheelchair destroyed the Thousand-Year Reich.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Well, he did have an assist from Uncle Joe.

        Americans have a hard time remembering that the Eastern Front was a real thing. A huge real thing. Where most of the war in Europe was fought.

        • The Wanderer

          Yes, yes, definitely yes. One can’t discount the Soviets, particularly after the invasion and all the deaths meted out by the Nazis.

    • Sardonicuss

      My dear old dad?

    • Historicat

      Indiana Jones?

  • MynameisBlarney
    • The Wanderer

      Too much spicy food will explain the flames.

  • Michael R
    • cheetojeebus

      Well….depends on the pie, did i want a slice? Was it a good pie? Did the merengue pull away from the crust?

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      I am a noble Englishman
      An Englishman am I
      My dignity would be besmirched if you hit me in the face with a pie…

      -Michael Hurley

  • o’look Skwerl!
  • MynameisBlarney

    We can make this happen people!
    Group determined to get half an onion more followers on twitter than the real trump.

    http://cheezburger.com/1413893/these-people-are-determined-to-get-half-an-onion-more-followers-on-twitter-than-the-real-donald

  • I did consider this though:
    When is the acceptable time to punch a Nazi?
    When they are yelling about getting rid of those not pure others?
    When they are calling for armed resistance against those mutts and mongrels?
    When they are marching through the streets with knives?

    • o’look Skwerl!

      Or when they interrupt your wedding… any occasion will do.

      • How about when they are smugly explaining to the unwashed masses about who the hell ‘Pepe the Frog’ is?

        • Toomush_Inferesistance

          That’s just an asskicking offense. In the little town of Minneota, Minnesota, in the 1930’s, there was a town deputy, a 6’4″ Swede who never arrested anybody. He just literally kicked them in the ass and told them to get their shit straight…people there still remember him somewhat fondly…

          • chicken thief

            Sheriff Taylor with an attitude.

    • natoslug

      When they clearly have 11 or more items in their cart and are in the express lane?

      • sw19bender

        That’s a bitchslapping offence, regardless of political leanings.

      • our express line is 20, so they’d be safe

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          The “linea rapida” at the Mexican grocery I often shop at is like, 250 items or less.

    • MynameisBlarney

      Immediately on sight.

    • sw19bender

      When they organise a march down Cable Street, aided by the police and authorities?
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street

    • Ezio Auditore

      Also too remember these are the same people who would stand with guns outside a Mosque or Synagogue and threaten violence.

      Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      When they are rounding up people to be “resettled” to the East?

      • MynameisBlarney

        I think it would be a bit late at that point.

        • sw19bender

          A sternly-worded letter, just after your shower, would surely do the trick.

          • MynameisBlarney

            Yeah, sternly worded letters are their Achilles Heel!

    • The Wanderer

      When they tell me I can’t paint my house a certain color?
      Oh, wait. That’s my homeowner’s association.

      • sw19bender

        Consider yourself lucky. They had Satan impregnate my neighbor’s wife.

        • MynameisBlarney

          That’s low, even for a HOA.

          • Nockular cavity

            The laws are different in Texas.

  • Vicious Babushka

    I will never NOT enjoy seeing a nazi get punched in the face. As far as “engaging in an exchange of ideas” fuck that shit. Any expectation that nazis had of a reasonable dialogue ended in 1933. Their ideas are evil and their idea-havers were judged and executed for the crime of murdering millions, which was putting their “ideas” into actions.

    Fuck them with Satan’s shovel in Hell forever.

    • Shan

      Good name!

    • Fancy Meau-Faux

      As far as methods of communication go, punching does fall into that category. A fist in the face is as valid an exchange of ideas as the proposal of genocide to a particular color of human. I’m not saying it’s a great method of communication, but you are definitely communication something.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    It’s one thing to advocate non-violence in the face of the British Raj or a racist sheriff in Birmingham, Alabama. In those cases you know there is an outside force that represents some basic level of human decency that will ultimately intervene to bring the bad actors to heel. Nazis, on the other hand, have a proven track record of being advocates for homicidal mania. If history has taught us anything it is that you can not deal with Nazis using words alone.

  • The Wanderer

    With all of his talk about “operational security,” Spencer makes it clear that he fears being killed by someone. News flash – he’s not worth killing.

    • Jonny On Maui

      He’s better employed as a negative example.

      • The Wanderer

        Someone to be mercilessly teased and mocked.

  • in the name of the moon

    They want me dead. Punching is self defense.

    • ViveLaRésistance

      It’s extremely hard to argue with this.

      • sw19bender

        I’m sure Susan Sarandon will give it a go.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          Oh, Susan Sarandon can blow me.

  • BosGrl

    The fact that we are talking about this, having an ethics debate, speaks volumes. Remember that protester that was punched as he was being led out of a Drumpf rally? Drumpf said he’d pay the legal fees of anyone who assaulted protesters.

    • This is true. And helps me a lot :huggles:

    • ez

      and no doubt stiffed any idiots who thought he really would.

  • Ryan Denniston

    “we can’t deny there’s something deeply satisfying about seeing Richard Spencer get punched in the kisser.”

    So you can’t punch a Nazi. But, given a Nazi was punched, the next question is whether or not it is ethical to enjoy the spectacle. That conundrum sounds familiar for some reason…

  • C4TWOMAN

    I would never punch a Nazi in the face. Far too kind:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggiUtXIVp8g

  • MynameisBlarney
  • snark-lurker

    2 things I think I remember but could be wrong:
    1. Hitler came to power via a popular vote;
    2. Nazi speech is illegal hate-speech in Germany

    • sw19bender

      He didn’t win the popular vote, even after he seized power. He was installed as Chancellor in order to keep him quiet.
      We all know how that worked out.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_March_1933

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Neo-Nazis in Germany can’t use the Hackenkreuz, it’s illegal there.

      So they use the Dixie Swastika, instead.

    • Sardonicuss

      Too lazy to look up but I think it was 33%..enough in a parliamentary system.
      Then a little Reichstag action to get the rest.

  • DahBoner
  • Ryan Denniston

    “Right now, I’m in a safe space”

    Are you fucking kidding me? Do you not hear yourselves, making fun of liberals and safe spaces while also noting your retreat to one!?! WTF!

    • Ezio Auditore

      Remember when the Hamilton cast called out Mike Pence and Donny was whining on Twitter about how the “theater should be a safe space”? Yeah, white wingers have no sense of irony.

    • MynameisBlarney
    • Villago Delenda Est

      If you’re a Nazi, there should be no “safe spaces”.

    • chicken thief

      Come out from under the bed, Rickie, and wipe those dust bunnies off your clothes….

  • https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d7982741c0b2f64f8de8be01dd80fa1995622f7c9e995ce17b42d42d3714d0cd.jpg But what if the Nazi punch is MATHEMATICALLY PERFECT ART? (via this awesome/weird Twitter: https://twitter.com/FibonacciSpiral)

    • Oblios_Cap

      Have they been telling Fib-o-nazis again?

      • Beanz&Berryz

        They ARE Fib-o-Nazis…

        • BigBoppa ~ Résistant

          Q: What is the appropriate number of times to punch a Fib-o-nazi?

          A: 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34………

          • Beanz&Berryz

            AOT,K

    • Sardonicuss

      Good follow through as well. Nice form…he’s on the green.

    • Alternative Pony Ron

      I was told etc. etc.

  • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

    Ja.

    The chairman of the House Science, Space and Technology Committee said Monday that Donald Trump was a more credible news source than the entire press corps.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/lamar-smith-trump-liberal-media

    • The Wanderer

      Whereupon the Chairman threw off all his clothes and began to throw feces, claiming that he’d laid Donald Rumsfeld.

      • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

        Cheney’s Dick was not available for comment.

    • Oblios_Cap

      Texans!

  • The Wanderer

    OT, but just a little noontime giggle:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shHniEcn_gc

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      I’m always down for this cartoon.
      A RUNABOUT! I’LL STEAL IT! NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW!

      • The Wanderer

        Unhand her, Dan Backslide!

    • Alternative Pony Ron

      Is it my eyes, or did it say ‘CLAMS’ on that one saloon window?

      • The Wanderer

        It’s cut off; I think it’s supposed to read “CLANCY’S.”

        • Alternative Pony Ron

          Spoilsport!

  • calliecallie

    If we can’t punch the Nazis, can we at least pepper spray them?

  • ez

    If it’s a repeat post, it’s still worth watching again.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sp3dIyNA2A

  • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

    OT: Trump signs EO’s to push forward Keystone XL and DAPL.

    • Yay jobs?

    • I am curious as to what an EO can do on that. Was it just an EO to rescind Obama’s halt?

      • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

        Obama had denied Keystone in 2015. So I assume that EO reverses the denial. DAPL was merely blocked, so probably to move it along.

        • Thought DAPL was blocked and all hung up in a court and the army corps?

          • sw19bender

            Army Corps reviewed the plan to go under the lake.
            Presumably they’ll now re-review it and say it’s been ‘amended’ to make everything okay now.

          • Ah. That makes sense.
            I hope the Corps decides on a secondary. Would still suck to have the stupid thing we do not need especially now that tar sand extraction is not so cost effective, but it would at least be SOMETHING if they bypassed that lake.
            Course, common decency did not stop the Corps at Kinzua.

    • Ezio Auditore

      I totally did not see that one coming. This is my surprised face.

      • Toomush_Inferesistance

        Okay – and that differs from your regular face in….um….um….ways?….

    • Martini Ambassador

      I think I’ve mentioned him before here, but I have a Native American acquaintance who refused to vote for Hillary because, according to him, she didn’t come out forcefully enough against blocking Keystone. Yup, how you liking that vote for Trump now, you stupid fuck?

      • Thaumaturgist

        FWIW, Indians couldn’t vote until 1923.

        • Martini Ambassador

          He’s very much an “I’ve got mine” sort of guy. In fact, it’s possible rather than vote for Trump, he may have actually voted for that idiot Johnson. He loves him some libertarian schlock. But either way, he wanted to be clear it was an anti-Hillary choice.

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      Little Little Man.

    • Thaumaturgist

      Yah. And already the radicals at Standing Rock are calling for nationwide civil disobedience like the Pussy March. Making America Great Again isn’t going to be easy.

    • calliecallie

      I have been wrestling with the economic logic of this for a while. Perhaps there are better minds out there that can help.
      1) Russia is financially strapped because the price of oil has been so low. (OPEC actually just voted to cut production a bit and increase prices, because it’s hurting them too.)
      3) Russia helps Trump get elected
      4) Trump makes Tillerson Secretary of State
      5) Seems VERY likely that Russia will get permits to drill for oil in the arctic, maybe the US also too, under the Trump regime.
      6) And now Trump okays the pipelines moving forward
      7) Which means there will be MORE oil, and the price will fall, despite OPECs production cuts
      8) Which does not help Russia financially as much as a higher price would
      9) To get a higher price you have to REDUCE supply

      I can only conclude they plan to bomb the shit out of the Mideast and curtail its oil production. Am I jumping to conclusions?

      • Thaumaturgist

        Also too, Russia is arguing with Canada over who owns what in the Artic. Secretary Tillerson, while honcho of Exon Mobile, got an inside track on Russian drilling rights.

      • Alternative Pony Ron

        I wouldn’t call it a conclusion, but it IS a likely scenario. The Russkies are used to thinking ten moves ahead.

      • Thiazin Red

        Trump owns stock in the company. That is all.

      • artem1s

        yea, I don’t think they understand how supply and demand works. Russia oil oligarchs don’t care though. They just know their clients are all getting cheaper oil elsewhere.

  • Nockular cavity

    How about Pepe? Can we punch that fucker?

    • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

      But Pepe is just an innocent frog. It’s definitely not okay to abuse animals. He doesn’t know what the Nazis are doing with his little green image.

    • natoslug

      Today, all Nazis are Pepe.

  • Ok, I finally watched this infamous punch.
    Jesus fuck, Nazi, grow a fucking uterus. I have taken harder knocks to the face from children.
    AWWWW I NEED MAH SAFE SPACCCCEEEE WAAAAAAAA It messed my hair uppppp!!!!!
    Along those lines, libtards, don’t punch people. But if you are gonna? Learn how to fucking throw a punch.

    • The Wanderer

      There are clients where I work who would call Spencer a pussy.

    • Lizzietish81

      Liberals are wusses, who are extremely violent, can’t take on right wingers who are all buff, but who need guns because they are afraid.

      • Makes sense now

        • sw19bender

          Alternative facts explain everything!

      • Me not sure

        He literally melted like a snowflake.

    • sw19bender

      That was Jack’s first punch, outside the bar on Tyler Durden.
      Needz moar Fight Club.
      “After a few weeks, he was carved out of wood.”

      • The Wanderer

        “And a few weeks after that, he was made entirely of tin.”

        • sw19bender

          If he only had a brain….

    • Usedtobeyellerdawg

      It looked more like an elbow strike than a punch to me.

      • sw19bender

        Forearm smash. WCW stylee!

    • Me not sure

      I honestly hope that guy didn’t hurt his hand.

  • Truck Fump

    I admit that I do laugh when a Nazi gets punched. Then again I also laugh when any imbecilic, shit-spewing, bottle-fed, cow bladder is punched.

  • calliecallie

    You know who else didn’t want people punching Nazis?

    (Why all of a sudden does all the news lead me to questions like this?)

    • Jesus!

      • nightmoth

        Now you sound like my husband. (grumble, mutter)

    • The Wanderer

      Ron Vibbentrop?

    • chicken thief

      Richard Spencer’s mom?

    • Nockular cavity

      Charles Lindbergh?

    • Alternative Pony Ron

      Henry Ford?

    • JohnBull

      I’ll bite. Hitler?

      • HogeyeGrex

        Is it okay to bite Nazis?

  • Me not sure

    “Well,….gotta run.”

  • Ryan Denniston

    I suppose a rung bell could have been a metaphor. Crafty wordplay that little girl.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcMgt3JQDxw

  • MynameisBlarney

    In all seriousness.
    Should we not be discussing how to defend ourselves against a group of people that clearly want to kill us?

    They are nazis. We all know what that means, what they’ve done in the past and what they’re capable of in the very near future.

    If they aren’t stopped, the next holocaust will be far, far worse than the 1st one.

    This is an existential crisis, ladies and germs.

    Time to start gettin ready for the hell they’re going to unleash.

  • Mr. Blobfish
  • Bill Slider

    Does this sadly mean that I should not adopt the slogan, the only good Republican is a dead Republican, with votes, of course?

  • chicken thief

    Even if we were somehow able to agree that Nazi’s should not be punched in the face, Spencer still deserves what he got just for that fucked up fucking haircut.

  • Jgb979

    “Right now I’m in a safe space” LOL

    ❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️☃️☃️⛄️⛄️

    I’m all for respecting opinions but you punch nazis in the face. The end.

    I do love how the intellectual leader of the nazi movement was explaining why he was walking around with a cartoon frog on his jacket.

    • A pirated cartoon frog that they took from someone because that someone did not think he needed to copy write something like that

      • Jgb979

        I do feel bad for the Pepe creator.

        It would be just as absurd if these aholes created a bunch of curious George memes about murdering Clinton or the Jews.

        • yeah pretty sure they have likely done that. I know they did the pokemons and the ponies and I think there was even a care bears one

    • This is because the right is suddenly saying famous people are not allowed to speak for….reasons no one has been able to explain.

      • clubseal

        They can simultaneously hold the position that famous people who speak about their liberal views should not be allowed to speak those views and the position that famous people who speak about their conservative views should be allowed to speak those views.
        I’d be fascinated by such doublethink if I weren’t so repulsed.

        • Same ones that say they are fiscally responsible yet lead us into recessionary holes
          Or that they are pro-life, but are fine with bombing folks and death penalties and very much against giving hungry people food.
          These dorks ARE doublethinks.

          • clubseal

            They are anthropomorphized balls of hypocrisy.

        • Kooolest G

          it’s not just that famous conservatives have to be allowed to speak, it’s that after they speak and say something that makes them unlikeable to a majority of the movie going population, the movie executives have to keep on hiring them to do movies

    • See, now I’m cheering for Shia Labeouf. Do you see the kind of unspeakable evil these neo-Nazi’s have wrought.

  • BreakingDeadMen

    Any writer worth his salt will advise you to know your audience and speak to them in the language they understand.

  • Markuserektus

    He was lucky…this guy however: An altercation over President Trump Monday resulted in a Pittsburgh man’s right ear being bitten off, according to police. (the Hill)

  • Dolmance

    A long, long time ago, I hit a guy with a swastika tattoo over the head and shoulders really, really hard with a pool cue while he was preparing a shot at the pool table.

    I didn’t stick around to see what happened next. I just took the pool cue and ran away with it.

    And yes, I agree that it was wrong.

    • nightmoth

      You rock!

  • Treg Brown

    I suppose we should try to see things from Richard Spencer’s point of view. Here’s his perspective on getting punched:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/46db5ed583562930687e5951b514022d1c7d3a269729fa75ca15b8487aeb38e8.gif

    • Lizzietish81

      If this were the case, he’d have an awkward boner afterwards.

      I mean who isn’t turned on by Jensen Ackles?

      • chortlingdingo

        He is a gift, isn’t he?

  • Just read that the EPA has had their R&D funding cancelled. And the fact that they have orders not to speak to the press, share on social media, or whisper in their dreams about it makes me want to punch a natzi with pre 11/9 votes.

    • magyar of infinite power

      If they add FDA to EPA and USDA we’ll have a trifecta of fucked this week.

  • Alternative Pony Ron

    How about if nobody’s looking? Can we punch nazis then?
    (Okay, I admit it, I just want permission to punch nazis.)

    • sercanet

      If you punch a Nazi and nobody sees it, does it make a sound?

      • Alternative Pony Ron

        Hopefully, ‘Ow!’

  • An Outhouse for the Resistance

    What about kicking them in the balls?

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      Goddamit – VOTES!….

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Voting them in the balls?

  • Courser

    Huh, I put a Menorah in my living room window and light it (correctly) every Hannukah. Because I live in a neighborhood that Orthodox Jews established generations ago and there’s a Yeshiva just down the street. Never thought of it as subversive, but YAY if it is!

    • LucindathePook

      Now I feel getter that we have five mezuzahs (mezuzim? mezuzot?) on the four outside doors and one interior door of the house (all gifts or inherited). It was to keep Jehovah’s Witnesses away, but that doesn’t really work, and this is even better.

      • Courser

        Mezuzot, I seem to remember. Ex always had them on his dwellings. He was pretty cool in that way, telling me all about all things Jewish and their significance. Personally, I try to honor everyone’s religious belief when I can. Besides, it kind of stretches out the holiday season and I’m all about more parties.

  • Boo Hoo
  • pgjack

    It’s challenging. Not punching Nazi’s is hard, punching Nazi’s is easy. Take the high road and don’t punch them. Kicking Nazi’s in the balls also seems justifiable but is not. Physical violence is only justifiable if you are a Trump supporter at a Trump rally and a progressive protester shows up. You are then permitted to attack the protester because Trump.

  • Thiazin Red

    What is everyone’s favorite video?

    Mine is the one where he gets punched and then loses all his rings like Sonic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdo9cG3bI2Q

    • Red Bird Resistance Engineer

      Solange.

    • janecita

      Lol, it looks like he was crying!

  • Toomush_Inferesistance

    It’s true that the left is getting punchier….

  • Serai 1
  • clubseal

    If a centerpiece of your beliefs is that you and people like you are superior, and anyone else should be ethnically cleansed, violence will be a part of your life at some point.
    I’m a firm believer that even Nazis have protected speech, but I’m not going to cry if one gets punched in the face by a non-state actor.

    • IOnlyLikeCats

      I, for one, choose to laugh. I thought it would give them more power, although I’ve been seeing more people realize they are literal Nazis instead. *shrugs*

  • Wellstone En Resistencia, Coño

    Violence ain’t cool in principle. This includes attacking people for who they are and for what they choose to be. Choosing to be a Nazi, however, it’s an exception and it should come with a price: you forfeit your humanity and it should be OK for anyone to beat the living shit out of you if they choose to.

  • Ambignostic

    I’m too old to get all the hip-hop references so I had to do an edit for my own generation. https://twitter.com/ambignostic/status/823946082841292800

    • Lizzietish81

      Awesome

    • JustDon’tSayPeriod.Period!

      Laughed so hard I broke into a cough.

      • Zyxomma

        I laughed, too.

  • nightmoth

    Good discussion, Dok. My husband agrees with the Zooms and laments my tendency towards violence. However, he was kind enough to show me that video yesterday and then enjoy watching me evil-laugh my fool head off over it.

  • HogeyeGrex

    I’m going to have to start really thinking about operational security.

    Or, y’know, you could try not being a fucking nazi.

  • Kandy477

    Don’t think of it as a punch. Think of it as an alt-kiss.

  • undercover epicurean

    Support your local antifascist.

    https://intlantifadefence.wordpress.com/about-2/

  • richardgrabman

    A symbolic piss-off is nice, but punching a Nazi (with votes) is probably more effective. I’m still not sure why this isn’t a deflection from more serious questions (like why are Nazis even taken seriously). Geeze, a few million people protested and there was one face-punching and one shooting… out of a few million people anywhere, that’s pretty good odds, moving the violence from statistically insignificant to unmeasurable.

  • Toomush_Inferesistance

    I’m sure this was the first thing said, but I didn’t see it, so……….He did Nazi that coming….(Sorry, sorry not sorry)…

    • JustDon’tSayPeriod.Period!

      It’s been done a few times on various threads, yeah. But I still had to clean up a snot bubble.

  • Stulexington

    I find it hilarious that the alt-white views this as anything but inevitable. Seriously when they were forming this little club someone at the first meeting should have pointed out “you know someone’s going to eventually punch us in the face, right?”

  • Kooolest G
  • PixieThis

    It’s hard not to want to punch a nazi. I would have a hard time not punching one if they said something about putting people in ovens or eliminating a race of people. These guys bring nothing useful to the table and many wouldn’t be alive without blacks, Jews, and anyone else who’s ever invented a life saving method or engineered a safe building or even taught someone English literature in school. We grow, invent, build and people like this think they’re better because they have less melanoma? I’m more pale than Wonder Bread, but I ain’t the end all, be all of humanity – I’m just part of a greater experience. Maybe we should pity them and try to educate them…nah, let’s punch nazis!

    • janecita

      Don’t forget to say, “with votes.”

  • Scrofula

    MOST of these guys are no different than a teenage boy with long hair and heavy metal clothing–they get a thrill from the shock. These people should not be punched.
    SOME of these guys really believe this shit. They deserve to be punched, but should not be.
    HOPEFULLY NONE of these guys may one day make up a contingent of bona fide gas ’em ethnic cleansers–in which case I’ll shoot them myself, at least in defense of the non blue-eyed, at the risk of the hammer. I mean, there’s “Nazi” and then there’s FUCKING NAZIs. I’d refer you to some elderly Polish and Cambodian refugees.

    • Jennifer R

      Well spencer is already on record as saying he wants to just kill all the African Americans, so short hop for him likely.

    • MC Planck

      Actually, you have it backwards. The boys are the ones who should be punched; it might wake them up to the fact that words have consequences and life is not a game.

      There’s no point in punching the true believers. They’ll just punch you back. There’s only one solution for them. With votes, of course.

  • janecita

    God damned, snowflake Nazi, can’t take a punch like a real man! Look at him acting like an “emasculated libtard,” needing his own “safespace!” So sad:-(
    I feel like an awful human being, but to see this pathetic asshole getting punched, has been one of the few silver linings, of an otherwise very depressing week.

    • Jennifer R

      That love tap hardly knocked the dandruff from his stupid fucking fashie.

      • janecita

        It looked like he was close to tears though!

        • Jennifer R

          Lot of people saying that cause of how fucking weak the whole thing looks it could be fake.

          Still Tim hiddeker wrote a song about it.

  • Jennifer R

    It bears repeating:

    LEARN TO THROW A PUNCH.
    Also work the heavy bag a while too, if I have more meat on my bones than you and you aren’t someone’s sweet old bubi then save yourself the jail time.

    • Resistance Fighter MausFeet

      I need to get in shape for my own blubber filled reasons, but I’m certainly doing so with more punching than I would’ve expected say, 4 years ago. Also fun? Self defense videos. My goal and plan is not to ever NEED to use them, and I’m not out looking for a fight, but at this point it seems that being good in a fight is as useful a skill as changing a tire is.

      • Jennifer R

        Don’t forget long daily walks at pace if possible for stamina. Thanks to marching band I may have had 100 pounds of extra fat, but I had the stamina to carry it and a sousaphone for 5 hours at a go.

        • Resistance Fighter MausFeet

          Yes! I’ll have access to a treadmill in about a week, so that shall be added to the list. I love marching bands, though I was not in one (pianos don’t march well and at the time I wasn’t into percussion for some dumb reason) and especially sousaphones.

  • janecita
    • Zyxomma

      Thanks. Rage Against the Machine and Miley Cyrus? Good work!

  • Jennifer R

    :Conspicuously says nothing:

  • GRH
    • Begin Anew Day

      First flow chart I’ve seen at Wonkette and possibly the best one I have ever seen.

  • Kiri the Resistant Unicorn

    Who Would Jello Punch?

  • Toomush_Inferesistance

    When I was a long-haired anti-war protester in 1967, it was difficult to walk down the street, go into a store or a bar, without being punched. If you said anything to the police, they’d punch you again. It was clearly ok with the entire Nixon administration. Public speech is public speech. It comes with consequences. I’d never punch anybody. For me, there’s no purpose in it. Standing up to getting punched is what counts….fuckin’ whiny baby Nazi…..

    • timpundit

      I was only seven years old then but I can remember older kids with long hair getting kicked off the school bus for having… long hair.

  • ButtercuptheHarelessRabbit

    I don’t like violence, as a rule. Don’t even like violent movies; I find them disturbing and not enjoyable. Don’t like violent video games. Don’t want to see protesters get punched. But Nazis? Fuck, yeah. Punch away. They are a threat to civilization and thus earn an exception to my rule of non-violence. I ain’t wearing one of those pink triangles, hell no. I believe that from now on, every Friday should be Punch a Nazi Day. Not that we should hunt them out for a beat down but if one is stupid enough to open his yap in public, it is one’s patriotic duty to punch that mofo right in the head. And not necessarily with votes.

  • FeloniousMonk

    If you google that “Mandela quote”, the vast majority of attributions are to Jung (unsourced, of course). Looking harder, I found a couple to Emma Watson, and just one to Mandela when I included his name in the search. So Spencer’s not just a despicable failure as a human being who should be universally shunned and despised, he’s sloppy about quotation as well.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Why should this surprise anyone? Intellectually dishonest Nazi fuckface is an intellectually dishonest Nazi fuckface.

      Film at 11.

  • timpundit

    I have to somewhat agree. After the 64th time the video isn’t quite as funny as the first time.

    Personally, I might approve of punching him just for that ridiculous haircut, but I’m grouchy and shouldn’t be asked my opinion today.

    • magyar of infinite power

      I actually find that haircut incredibly sexy on other people. Probably because I’m too fucking bald on top to pull it off.

      • timpundit

        It reminds me of Schindler’s List.

        • magyar of infinite power

          The nasty thoughts I had about Ralph Fiennes in that movie gave me the weirdest boner.

    • (((😸)))

      It gets slightly less funny after about 64 views, but becomes hilarious again after 124 views.

  • Dutchman

    Related to the reading of historical fiction on the four Kindle devices that Ms. Dutchman and I use there is a fairly common refrain heard in our home. “Some people just need killing”. I believe in this case that may be correctly translated to “some people just need punched”. With votes, of course.

  • (((😸)))

    It did make him $TFU. Punching Nazis works.

  • Jack Tenhet

    As a proud anti-fascist, I’m also torn on this one. Twenty years ago, it was fun to go out on Saturday night and wait for the Skinheads to pick fights with us (They always did. I hung with a diverse crowd) so we could beat the crap out of them. I’m just too old for that now.

    I’ve seen the video many times and even showed it to my wife. Yes, we laughed. . . A lot. Was it right to punch him? I don’t know. Was it strangely cathartic in a way? Absolutely.

    As for the principle of punching Nazis, I’ll defer to Captain America who punched so very many Nazis. Ye, it was a war, but still, he punched so many Nazis.

  • He was not punched. He assaulted that person’s hand with his face!

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Alternative fact?

    • The Wanderer

      Yep! The guy stuck his fist out, and Spencer ran straight into it!

  • Zyxomma

    Thanks, Dok.

  • Resistance Fighter MausFeet

    I’m genuinely glad so many people are anti violence. I am, in almost every case too. But in the case of no one getting severely injured, and a punch to a nazi, sucker punch or no? Still ok with it. BUT, I also think if someone or I punch a nazi, you are and should be open to punishment under the law for the assault. Because the nazi train of thought generally assumes the other side is non violent and will try to reason. Maybe also too, enough time on this topic has been given and the bazillion horrible things the government is trying to do and lie about need attention.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Sometimes violence must be returned in kind. People like Richard Spencer are demonstrations of this.

      No quarter for Nazis. None.

  • Well that settles it. Punching Nazis is a necessity
    https://twitter.com/gawkenn/status/823573676125724676

    • The Wanderer

      Challenge accepted!

      • H0mer0

        did he seriously say that?

        • No. It’s a “satire” site. I can see Bobo saying something that stupid though.

    • SayItWithOtters

      Now Nazis will start punching each other in the face.

    • Begin Anew Day

      Win / Win David!

  • whitroth

    a) Anything Nazis or neoNazis or fascists in general say is hate speech..That *is* a crime.
    b) I have a couple of friends. They met in this country, and he’s a good deal older than she is. He has a number tatooed on his arm.
    c) I have another friend. Her parents *met* in the camps.

    Some of us are still willing to fight the fascists, in any way we can. I guess I need Woody’s sticker on the back of my autoharp.

  • gratuitous

    Just so weird that a fellow who believes he’s part of the master race was caught so unprepared.

  • (((😸)))

    The proof is in the pudding punching. After being pooped in the face, Spencer $TFU, whimpered, and staggered off.

    Punching Nazis works.

    I hope he gets the ever-loving sh!t kicked out of him everywhere he goes.

    • foreign agitator Captain Kraut

      At least his cute Hitler Youth hairdo didn’t take any lasting damage.

      • SayItWithOtters

        Note that smoothing his HitlerMacklemore was the first reaction he had.

        • Begin Anew Day

          Besides the running away?

  • First point: The argument that punching Nazis will encourage Nazi violence against us is stupid because they were ALREADY planning violence against us. That’s what being a Nazi is. There is no such thing as peaceful ethnic cleansing, no matter what Punchy McPunchedintheface says.

    Second point: live by the meme, die by the meme. Note that Spencer was pointing out his Pepe badge. Punching Nazis To Techno Beats videos are the toast of the internet right now. They are driving the Nazis nuts.

    Third point: Spencer has come out and said that they can’t allow this to happen again or their movement will not be able to organise. This is the very best reason for punching Nazis.

    Fourth: how come Captain America can do it and I can’t?

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c7/Captainamerica1.jpg

    • HazooToo

      You can! But Cap is fictional, and can’t be arrested and prosecuted. Don’t forget this important part of Thoughtsondead’s post:

      “What if you think you’re punching a Nazi, but you just hit a white guy with a shitty haircut?

      Run.

      What should you do if you hit a Nazi?

      You should run then, too. Don’t get me wrong: punching Nazis is still illegal. We’re discussing morality.”

      • Arrested is not even the worst option. Those Nazis have literally put a price on Punching Hero’s head. So I only advocate punching Nazis as part of an organised movement, unless you’re truly brave/stupid/have nothing to lose.

  • Opiwan

    I vote for putting a techno-remix of nazis getting punched in the face IN every Anne Frank-related museum display. It’s that “equivalence” thing, or whatever.

  • Jesse

    How about a compromise?

    “Punching people is wrong – even nazis, shame on you for punching him and don’t do it again. BTW here’s your coupon for a free ice cream sundae.”

  • BMW
  • TakingAmes

    Violence is never the answer. However, it was truly satisfying to see this tool get sucker punched. And now I feel bad about myself due to lefty guilt. Will it never end?!?!

    • Violence certainly was the answer to Adolph Hitler.

    • bookish

      I enjoyed it, and I managed to live with myself just fine after.

  • uniquename72

    I’m not at all opposed to punching nazis, particularly on live TV. But I AM opposed to covering your face when you do it.

    If you’re going to do something, don’t hide like a pussy. OWN IT.

    (Now, where can I find a nazi to punch?)

  • Yardley Bottles

    My Uncle Louie carried a BAR from Italy to Berlin. Spencer fared better than the nazis who crossed Uncle Louies path.

    • Begin Anew Day

      My old man was the same.

      He didn’t care for Nazis and he Never Apologized for killing them.

  • Gonna have to go with Whitman on this. Reminds me of another bit of words, “Do not make the mistake of thinking the reason I am peaceful is because I have forgotten how to be violent.”. I generally agree with the rule of law stuff but the video and the tweets above made me giggle.

  • foreign agitator Captain Kraut

    “European style anti-fascism”?

    Classes begin at 08:00. With votes standing in for the baseball bats.

  • SayItWithOtters

    Nearly half a million American lads died for our right to punch Nazis in the face.

    • ltmcdies

      and 46,998 Canadians, 39,700 Australian and so on. And that’s military only.

      true story…I was born overseas in France so I had French godparents, an older couple related to my mom. So they take baby me for a visit before coming back to Canada and Dad noticed something that looked like a doorbell on the wall beside the but on the inside. He of course asked my god daddy what that was and it turns…during the war my godparents hid ammunitions in their basement for the Resistance. My god dad wired that “doorbell” so if the Gestapo ever got to the house….he could hit the doorbell and blow the explosives. He said he’d rather die than fall into the hands of the SS.
      Every time I see some fuck Nazi beaking off on the TV it pisses me to no end. Our grandparents fought a war against a group who pretty destroyed continent and attempted to exterminate an entire religious group
      My only complaint is Richard Spencer wasn’t hit hard enough.

  • H0mer0

    If white people are so superior, why can’t they STFU and live by example rather than act all butthurt?
    I don’t advocate violence, but this a**hole’s mindset has inspired and encouraged violence of its own and Karma’s a bi$ch.

  • Christina

    Righteous violence….. Is it justifiable?In this case I think it feels right but has little practical effect; indeed it can make Spencer a victim to those who harbor no ill feelings (or understanding) of the alt right, and it does not speak to one’s intelligence to reply to speech with a fist. I agree with the writers here that large scale political action is THE effective way to fight the neo Nazis; it channels rage into a powerful force, that can destroy the ideological cesspool from which Spencer emerged. Negating the message can also save lives; Dylan Roof did not spend much time voicing his opinions, he simply read the neo Nazi garbage and then rapidly acted on them. Richard Spencer is not the threat, the message coming from his mouth is. A punch may silence him at the moment, but it amplifies the message, gives it the power to cause destruction.

    But that’s a different subject from whether violence can be justfied based on the identity of the target. Consider the extreme on the spectrum of violence – execution. If there is a man who deserves to be punched for what he says, are there those who don’t deserve to live? If you think it a false comparison, then consider a different Nazi case. was it the right thing to do to execute the Nazi leaders post Nuremberg trials? Was it a just punishment. If it is just in one case, then it is just. The question is simply the nature of the crime and the circumstances under which it was committed. So if it was right to hang the Nazis, it is right to have the death penalty for there are or may be SOME crimes for which it is a just punishment… Is it wrong to execute the “man” that raped and murdered a two year old? If the family of the victim wants the execution, don’t they deserve justice in the form of retribution? I don’t have an answer to these questions. I guess I would go with the categorical imperative against violence as retaliation in general but I could not in all honesty condemn the executions of certain individuals or claim that those executed are “victims.” What would Kant do?

    Then what about torture? If violence is justifiable if directed at certain targets, then isn’t torture acceptable? Or to put it in the context of our conversation, would it be acceptable to torture a Nazi (a real one not the skinheads) if it would have lead to lives saved from either the war or the Holocaust? This is not a question of whether torture is effective. Of course if it is not effective, that makes for an easy no. Either torture is acceptable or not. If it is acceptable in one case, then it is acceptable, for it is acknowledged that there are or can be cases in which it is acceptable.

    I know I’ve ignored the important distinction of state sanctioned vs extrajudicial violence. Also I do understand the difference in damage inflicted by a punch and by torture and obviously execution. But justification for one can and has in some cases become justification for the other; to wit the Holocaust. The punch does not trouble me. I’d venture it was was a reasonable visceral response to a person one finds abhorrent. It’s understandable and maybe even natural, for someone to punch a Nazi. Then I would say it is, by all my personal moral convictions and those of those around me, that a man like Richard Spencer. What troubles me is the unbiquitous support and praise for the assault on the Nazi. But to say it is ok to punch a man BECAUSE he’s a Nazi, is equivalent to saying that minor acts of violence, is permissible if there is a just reason for assaulting that individual. and who makes that judgment? Who decides the damage caused is minor or severe? Us the public? We consider ourselves a moral society. by and large, so did the German populace under Hitler, however. And as we know the violence towards Jews started with minor violence, like vandalism or a punch, but it was ok BECAUSE they were Jews. The moral standards of Nazi Germany, as earnest as ours, made it permissible to punch a person, then imprison then torture then execute a person, and it was ok because they were “scum.” The irony of assaulting a Nazi is hard to ignore. So I’m perturbed by the general glee and congratulations surrounding this incident. I’ll admit the punch is hardly more than a statement, and I do not take any issue with the man who threw it, but I do with all those who have praised him. I see the writers here did make it a point not praise or condone him or the idea of righteous violence, and I think that’s important. There’s a difference between understanding someone’s actions (perhaps empathizing with them) and glorifying those actions. Certain conduct simply cannot be called virtuous, regardless of the reason.

    • MC Planck

      Except it seems to have had a huge effect. Spencer is afraid to speak in public now.

      John Lewis took a beating and kept speaking. So did MLK, and so on. If a punch in the face is enough to shut you up, then maybe you don’t really believe in your cause.

  • Y’know, this dude ought to be thankful he only got punched. Once upon a time in this country, like, in my grandfather’s day in the early 1940’s, we knew what to do about Nazis. Punching Nazis is mild. Back then we didn’t punch’em, we killed’em. By the million, with no remorse, and no second thoughts. Dude ought to be grateful that we no longer kill Nazis, we just punch’em.

    • Begin Anew Day

      Well said!

    • Marsupial

      Yeah, this is what I’ve been saying for a few days. Did we (the U.S.A.) ever really stop being at war with the Nazis?? (No, I don’t think we did.)

    • phoenix00

      We’re letting them off easy nowadays! We’re going soft!

  • Begin Anew Day

    “A techno remix of Richard Spencer getting punched in the face is fine…”

    So that’s techno music! My nephew and niece laugh at my dusty old jazz and blues records so, yeah, I don’t know that much about techno.

    I watched that video 20 times. There is something about all the throbbing drumbeats, strobing lights and a smug moral cripple getting socked in the head over and over again that just brightens my disposition.

    I’ve been wondering if I should sign up for a class at the junior college next fall. I think I may have to sign up for two. One on ethics and another on how to make techno remix videos.

    That had to be fun to do!

  • Celtic_Gnome

    I laughed, long and uncontrollably, at the music video. It may have been ephemeral, but, Goddamn, it felt good.

  • RugzYaBurnt

    It seems fallacious at best to suggest that punching Nazis *might* incite violent retribution against Black Lives Matter protestors, given that BLM would not exist if not for the fact that black people are routinely executed without trial in this country for being black.

    Make Nazis Afraid Again.

  • Panika MCD

    a) I still support Will Winn for punching that guy at that bar that one time. I mean, the guy was saying super creepy things about what he wanted to do to Winn’s daughter who was a minor at the time (though she wasn’t at the bar). that being said, the context is pretty key here.

    b) want to punch someone in the face? get a punching bag and use your imagination.

    c) in the late 80s, the KKK tried to have a march in Austin and they were greeted with a face of a different kind–a couple thousand Austinites had lined Congress and given the Kluckers a full moon. they haven’t tried it since.

  • MC Planck

    Thoughts on the Dead is correct. Rational discourse has its limits. You can only speak to people in a language they understand. To do less is actually a moral crime.

    Thus, once we observe that Nazis are too dishonest to engage in rational discourse, and are continuing to advocate for policies that would harm others and themselves, we are morally obligated to punch them. If it helps. Which, apparently, it does.

    Consider this: would you punch a blind and deaf man to stop him from walking off a cliff?

    • phoenix00

      I might consider tackling him…..

  • phoenix00

    Damn fine message Dok. And I admit I LOLed at the vid.

  • phoenix00
  • SecludedCompound

    Nazis exist for one reason: to enact violence.

    Fight them with whatever you have, and don’t let hand wringing dissuade you.

  • In light of this incident, I thought this review of Captain America 275-278 (written way before this event, incidentally ) might be insightful. (Quick synopsis: Cap and his jewish friends vs Neo-Nazis and Baron Zemo.) Especially the reviewer’s analysis and crticism regarding potential false equivalency. Here’s the money shot:

    http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/captain_america_275-278.shtml#comments

    It’s clear that DeMatteis’ Captain America doesn’t condone violence against Neo-Nazis. But DeMatteis goes so far with this deception that (to me, anyway) it undermines the message. Cap is initially in denial about the danger of Neo-Nazi groups and (apparently) the existence of anti-Semitism at all until it hits him in the face in the most overt way possible at his workplace. And even then he finds a way to turn things into some “both sides do it” mush. Cap should have recognized that one side of this “debate” had a reason to be very angry and therefore might be blinded enough by that anger to become more violent than they ordinarily would. Whereas the other side is just scum. That seems like a reasonably safe, mainstream comic-approved message that still leaves Cap with a little moral backbone. I’m not saying Cap would think that civilians punching Nazis is ok, but from the version of him that i see here i’m not so sure i want to take his advice on any moral question. I mean if you can’t take a stand against Nazis, forget it.(emphasis mine)

    Kinda the way I fell about it (or at least the “you’ll be just as bad as them” portion of it.)

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