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Yes, we know Mitch McConnell is a lowdown scheming varmint. Yr Wonkette doesn’t trust that sumbitch further than we can throw him. But that DOES NOT mean Schumer and the Senate Democrats got rolled yesterday when they traded a six-year reauthorization of CHIP in exchange for a promise by Mitch McConnell to bring DACA to the floor by February 8.

QUIT LOOKING AT US LIKE THAT! We didn’t say we believe that old fart. We just said we thought it wasn’t a terrible deal. Let’s Yertlesplore!

First, Rewind The Tape

Twenty-four hours ago, the GOP was holding two hostages: DACA and CHIP. Mitch McConnell needed to fund the government, but he couldn’t even whip his own caucus to agree to shoot the hostages vote for a plan that kicked the can down the road again on both health insurance for poor kids and legalization for young people brought to the country as children. Last week, a bipartisan group presented the White House with a plan to fix DACA, but then the nativist goon squad shouted MEXICAN RAPIST TACO TRUCKS, and the stable genius killed the “shithole” deal.

So Mitch was in a pickle. Even with a couple swing state Dems voting for a continuing resolution (CR) to fund the government, he couldn’t get to 50 votes. Polls showed that the majority of Americans blamed the GOP, but Republicans were revving up the Russian megaphone to accuse Democrats of filibustering to cause a shutdown. Democrats ran the very real risk of being held responsible once federal workers started getting furloughed.

So, What Did We Get?

Well, for one thing, we got CHIP funded for six years! Nine million kids and their families are NOT getting kicked off health insurance next month. And that’s not nothing!

For another, nobody had to eat a shit sandwich by voting for something that pissed off their constituents. In the Senate, 18 Democrats and 2 Republicans voted “No” on the CR, including Harris, Feinstein, Gillibrand, Warren, Booker, Mike Lee, and Rand Paul. Nancy Pelosi and Democratic whip Steny Hoyer oppose it and won’t have to whip their members to take an unpopular vote. But red state Dems who are up in November — Manchin, Heitkamp, Donnelly and McCaskill — got political cover to vote to reopen the government.

In exchange, we got McConnell’s very public promise to bring a vote on DACA to the floor of the Senate. Which means that he’s definitely going to allow a vote on DACA … unless he isn’t.

Say That McConnell DOESN’T Allow A DACA Vote

Well, then we’re back to where we were yesterday, facing another shut down. Except the GOP only has ONE hostage, McConnell looks like a liar, and it’s a lot harder for them to blame the mean Democrats. Also, too, nine million kids have health insurance!

Say That McConnell DOES Allow A Vote

Brass tacks, no plan that makes it out of the Senate will pass the House. Under the Pedophile Wresting Coach (Hastert) Rule, no bill gets a vote unless it’s supported by a majority of the Republican majority. A DACA fix would pass easily with votes from Democrats and GOP moderates, but Paul Ryan will never let that happen. Moreover, Trump is providing cover for the wingnuts in The House Freedom Caucus who want to cut legal immigration to the bone in exchange for generously allowing the Dreamers to remain here as indentured servants while their parents get deported.

And no plan that could pass the House would get 50 votes in the Senate, much less the 60 needed to overcome a Democratic filibuster. Which means, we’ll be back here again in 17 days. EXCEPT Republicans won’t be able to use CHIP as leverage next time. And a bipartisan DACA vote in the Senate would make it really clear that the nutbag House Republicans are the problem here. In an election year. Do you think Ironstache is already cutting those ads blaming Paul Ryan for shutting down the government? WE DO.

Well, Shit! How Does This End?

Do we look like Magic 8 Ball? Okay, best guess: The Republicans are playing for time in hopes that they can sit on That Idiot in the White House and stop him from tanking whatever deal they come up with on DACA. They’re hoping that Vanky will stick a (metaphorical) shiv in John Kelly and Stephen Miller, and they can shove a cheeseburger in Trump’s face, a pen in his hand, and let him have one of those stupid signing ceremonies that he likes so much. It could happen! Or the whole thing could blow up in their faces. Which is the cost of electing an unstable lunatic as your party’s leader.

SAD.

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  • Nounverb911
    • arglebargle

      What a shithole,

    • Parakeetist

      Nine million kids.

  • mfp, normegian would

    ahem…as i was saying…take the fucking CHIP, gtfo, and leave them holding the DACA bag…dont now how this could be painted as anything other than a win for THE MINORITY PARTY

  • Resistor Radio

    I like the way you think.

  • Parakeetist

    Other than saving a ton of children, what good came out of it?

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      Well we didn’t get “What I want now!” which is more important than the health of 9 mil kids.

      • Timothy Watson

        And I’m still waiting on my ObamaPony!

  • Everrett Fanuelli

    Support the Democrats! That is all.

    • janecita

      Fuck yeah! The alternative is frightening.

    • Asterix

      I do, but I believe I am looking at reality as well. I am hoping Schumer pulls a rabbit out of his hat on this; I’m just not confident that he can.

      • janecita

        He won’t, he got played.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      I will always support Democrats, but their weakness drives me insane. We are the MAJORITY of the country, yet we rarely get what we want.

      • janecita

        Our politicians aren’t ruthless like Republican politicians. They need to grow a pair of balls.

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          We need some vicious street fighters who aren’t afraid to lie. I’m seriously sick of doing the right thing, and watching these shitheads cheat, lie, and steal their way to winning. Their ideas are wildly unpopular, yet we ALL have to live with them, because they gerrymander, discourage voting, lie to their constituents, etc…

  • Lance Thrustwell

    This, as well as some other defenses of the Dem strategy I’ve read, is well articulated and makes sense. However, there seem to be some pretty smart people – Rebecca Traister, for example, is no dummy – who passionately disagree with this strategy and feel it was the wrong move. What is their reasoning?

  • Nounverb911
    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      So you also hate the troops, the kids, America, and democracy?

  • janecita

    The Dotard is claiming victory, Democratic senators are airing their grievances/divisions to the press. I’m sorry, but Schumer does look weak in this situation.

    • Crystalclear12

      This isn’t about today, this is about when the CR expires.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Yeah, for some weird reason, I just don’t trust Mitch McConnell to do the right thing, ever, in any situation, for any reason.

      • janecita

        Republicans are lying, backstabbing assholes. I don’t trust any of them either.

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          “Lying, backstabbing assholes”…and those are their GOOD points.

      • Blackest Noobs

        and why would you?

    • Blackest Noobs

      the moron claimed victory about all the women’s marches across the country as affirmation of his admin…btw it is not.

      this is what we’re dealing with this White House, a bunch of fuckers with blinders on.

  • Asterix

    Thanks for the summation, but the reality is the Dreamers will be screwed no matter what happens with the next shutdown. Ryan will not get an immigration or Dreamer bill through the House.

    There are rumors circulating that the deportations start on March 5th.

    But Dems can use this as a battering ram against the Republicans in this election cycle. That’s just fucking fantastic.

    • Blackest Noobs

      start March 5th, ha ha, uh, they’ve already started deporting folks.

      • Asterix

        Yes, they have, but I’m talking about mass deportation.

        I’m just going to go cry at this point. My country engaging in mass deportation. I just can’t anymore.

  • Blackest Noobs

    could we please stop these fucking CR’s and get on with it about a fucking budget.
    9 fucking years, gang, NINE FUCKING YEARS, and these assholes cannot come to terms on a Federal budget.

    and listen i get it, CHIP is a win, but jesusfuckingchrist, that should had never been a bargaining chip, and it should have never got to this point. and fuck Republicans on that one cuz they’re truly to blame on it.

    i want the American Public to flood their Senators and Representatives that we are tired of you overly-paid dickbags kicking shit you should be done by NOW down the road.

    sacrifices would have to happen on both sides (i.e. that means you need to compromise you dickbag Republicans) but stop this fucking madness.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Why do you hate democracy and America and the troops, and probably the kids?

      • Blackest Noobs

        i do hate kids though…maybe it’s more their parents i hate…hate by association perhaps.

    • Stulexington

      It’s a little disheartening that the teabaggers are more effective at stopping the Republicans cold than the Democrats.

      • SterWonk

        The Republicans — especially the teabaggers — view the government as the problem. Therefore, obstruction is a reasonable means to their desired ends.

        The Democrats view the government as an essential tool for solving problems. Therefore, obstruction is at cross-purposes to their desired ends.

    • onedollarjuana

      However, once there is a budget in place the Reps have no way to hold various groups hostage while they extract more and more concessions from the Dems.

  • Beelzebubba

    Pretty much my thinking: they kicked the DACA can down the road a few weeks, but the GOP will be in a weaker position.
    Il Douche will sign anything they come up with, because cameras will be running. He hasn’t got the balls, or brains, to actually refuse to sign.

  • Martini A, very stable genius

    Yup, exactly. If you take the approach that your side must win at any cost, then what, you are obligated to throw a bunch of low-income kids off health care? That isn’t serving your constituents. I get that Republicans don’t care about that, but Dems still do. And in three weeks, they have to battle it out for the Dreamers too. It’s exhausting.

    • PDT

      that’s what bugs me in the few arguments I’ve had over this. As soon as I heard about this I thought it was a good idea, and I’m getting more and more annoyed at people upset by this, basically saying that losing the day-to-day battle of political gamesmanship, pretty much just public theater, is worse than selling CHIP for a three week delay in the DACA fight. Do they really believe this? They should have held firm and lost both DACA and CHIP because of ‘spines’?

  • DrBigHead

    We can spin this any way we want, but unless the Democrats can come away with immigration reform before the mid terms that allows the Dreamers to stay, we can kiss that blue wave goodby.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      You think? What about the negative value of being able to depict the GOP as heartless kid-deporters?

      • DrBigHead

        The Dreamers feel betrayed. Promises from the Democratic party mean noting to them now. And lets face it, the Democrats can’t put out a coherent message to save their lives. Just saying “we ain’t Trump” isn’t enough. And I say that as a life long Democrat.

        • Lance Thrustwell

          Electorally, I see it as a win-win, even though for DACA recipients (I don’t like calling them “dreamers” – it feels artificial and maudlin), it’s potentially a win-lose. DACA recipients stay – Dems get a direct victory. They go – Dems get to use news clips in campaign ads of crying families and show the GOP are fucking Nazis.

          • DrBigHead

            But will they take advantage of the opportunity? The Democrats have shown that they are no where near as ruthless as the Republicans in getting out their message.

          • Lance Thrustwell

            You’re right about that! We need some better propagandists.

        • Relativicus

          I guess the Dreamers are just going to have to put their faith in the GOP to help them. Stupid Democrats, what have they ever done? I mean, besides creating DACA in the first place that is.

    • Blackest Noobs

      eh? i dunno….you’re expecting them to canoe up a shit stream from Niagara Shit Falls..i would say it would lessen the tsunami but there are plenty of other factors than just the messicans staying in country and not being deported.

      battles must be picked but sometimes you lose a few to win the war

      • DrBigHead

        No, I am expecting a once-energized block of voters to say “fuck it” and stay home.

        • Blackest Noobs

          they’ve already made that mistake once, and it got us Trump. i get it, immigration is big factor, but to think not voting does not help at all. Virginia, Alabama, and a bunch of these other special elections are proving that, sure Dems have been pretty shitty about being supportive, but given the alternatives, plenty are thinking oooooh fuck no, not Trump again, gonna give the Dems another go at it.

          • DrBigHead

            I sincerely hope you are right. I am not as optimistic.

          • Blackest Noobs

            ooooh i am by no means optimistic, my motto is hope for the best, expect the worst. as an ex-military, i always expect every well crafted laid out plans to go to shit. and it usually does…the surprise is when things do go to plan.

            minorities have known this aspect of life for decades if not centuries, we’ve heard promises after promises, but doing nothing only means making things worse.

            the worse sin is doing nothing.

    • onedollarjuana

      I don’t see that. The Dreamers couldn’t vote in the mid-terms regardless, and there aren’t enough of them to make a difference even if they could. Maybe if the Dems lose on this then enough more of them will get “religion” and realize that this is the existential fight of our times.

      • DrBigHead

        Its not just the Dreamers who feel betrayed.

    • Timothy Watson

      So…the Democrats should manage to pass a comprehensive immigration bill with the filibuster as their only bargaining tool, or people are just going to take their ball and go home?

      Well then, quite honestly, fuck them.

    • renegade500

      I think a big part of the problem is we don’t manage expectations very well. People expect that they will get what they want, even when that’s just not going to happen. And because they didn’t get their unrealistic expectation met, they go sulk in the corner.

      Only, that’s a self-perpetuating cycle, because that sulking in the corner is likely going to lead to getting even less of what one wants.

      One thing you can say about the Republicans – they don’t pull this crap. They get off their asses, hold their noses as much as it takes, and they vote. And they’re winning because they do. And the idea of holding out for those who will give us all that we want, that’s baloney. It’s unrealistic. We need to harness the energy and enthusiasms of voters, but we also have to manage their expectations. We aren’t going to see change if they’re only willing to play the game by the rules they want, not the rules that currently exist.

    • ariel_gee_398

      Healthcare was a bigger motivation for voters in 2017 than immigration. I’m not sure I see that changing in 2018.

    • Relativicus

      So, here’s the thing. In 2018, the Democrats are in the minority in the senate. Over in the house, they’re in the minority. They may be able to get relief for Dreamers, but if you and others who share your view are basing your vote this autumn on whether the Democrats — who are in the minority in the senate and the House — on “immigration reform”, then the Democrats will remain in the minority in the house and senate.

    • FeloniousMonk

      Yes, the non-voters will show the Democrats, by continuing to be non-voters. That’ll show ’em! There’s no way the Democrats would respond by moving right, in order to appeal to the people who actually vote. It’s a full proof plan!

  • Kurt Weil

    Wondering if Schumer knows something we don’t know about Mueller dropping some shoes.

    • Maria Sewell

      Sessions was interviewed, apparently. NYT.

  • Crystalclear12

    Everyone is looking for some mythical happy ending.
    That was never on the table.
    This is triage and the Democrats just, literally, saved lives.

    • Ali | A Grumpy Cat

      I am still frustrated and befuddled that the CR included MORE tax cuts. I just. Sigh. But I’m trying to stay optimistic. Or drunk.

      • Gayer Than Thou

        I think of gin as optimism in a bottle.

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    This is the first time FDF Americasplains a topic to us non Americans and after reading I still dont fully grasp the fuckery that is going on.

    • renegade500

      I’m sure there are many here who feel the same.

    • janecita

      We don’t understand it either.

    • Cousin Itt, hoi polloi

      Try my TPM link above and in this non comment. Josh Americasplains “The reality is that very few people whose opinions of things are not set in stone are even paying attention to the optics of all this. The policy question – settling the Dreamers issue – is very important. But that remains to be decided as much as it was before. Get up, dust yourself off and realize that this is a skirmish in a larger political battle which will come to a head again in three short weeks.”

      https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/stop-whining-move-forward

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Thanks!

    • Lefty Wright

      Basically, the CHIP act has been renewed for six years. That is now off the table for the GOP to use as a publicity or bargaining chip. McConnell has made a very public statement that the Senate will take up a DACA bill. Of course, there is no guarantee the GOP will act in good faith in negotiating, nor that the House will go along with anything since the Hastert rule in the House says that the majority of the Republican members must sign on to a bill before the House will vote on it. But at least the optics for the GOP will be slightly worse if there is a shut down on February 8. And the CHIP program will not be on the table. Plus, with Trump crowing about his big victory, the Democrats are going to be even more likely to tell him Fuck You.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Yeah but how is it a good thing democrats voting against it and some voting for it? The red state dems, that I get but the Warrens of the world, that part I don’t get.

        • Antonin Dvorak

          Red state Dems are more moderate/centrist so voting for reopening plays to their moderate/centrist constituencies. The Dems who voted against are the Progressives. Standing strong against the administration and defending Dreamers plays to their more progressive constituencies. TLDR version: liberals in Massachusetts and moderates in Florida all got what they wanted.

    • Lyly Sirivong

      Same. Although I’m not sure I got the whole ACA repeal thing. Budget reconciliation, filibuster, etc…

    • J. M. Tusks, Esq.

      Can I come live with you?

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        We are becoming a sanctuary country. :D

    • mohave rocky

      Politics is very complicated. 100 Senators, a gazillion Reps, 200 years worth of strange rules, conflicting priorities, bad people, good people. Who knew?

  • La forza del resistino

    You know DACA negotiations will get off on the wrong foot when the GOP would like to now call the Dreamers Act the Nightmare Act.

  • renegade500

    Yes, yes and yes! All of this!

  • Lefty Wright

    The points are valid, but the Democrats need to start now on getting a publicity campaign going when the inevitable treachery by the GOP pops up. Starting with pointing out that the reason for the shut down is the GOP delay for months on even talking about DACA and CHIP, not the failure of the Democrats to address the problem. Like a leaking ship, the GOP decided to just let it ride until it became so low in the water it risked sinking, while the Democrats wanted to fix the problem long ago.

    Another thing the Democrats should have done was to make the vote as close to 60 votes for the continuing resolution as possible. It looks like McCain was absent, but a vote of 60 to 39 carries a much stronger message to McConnell, Trump, and Ryan that next time the Democrats can and will get the necessary votes to keep that number at 59 or less yea votes. 81 to 18 does not exactly carry as much weight.

  • Cousin Itt, hoi polloi

    As is so often the case, I find myself aligned with FDF and TPM

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/stop-whining-move-forward.

    • (((Sedagive)))

      Josh Marshall is a national treasure.

      • puredog

        However, weirdly, he says Dems are in “exactly” the position they were before the vote. Not one single word about funding CHIP. So I think 5$F has the better of him here.

        • Cousin Itt, hoi polloi

          I read that as broadly in the same position but I see your distinction.

        • (((Sedagive)))

          F$F is a national treasure!

          I have three online homes: Wonkette, TPM, and Daily Kos. Wonkette is the awesome party that never ends, Daily Kos is the place I go for community updates, and TPM is the place I go for sane, smart, reality-based political analysis. I find Josh Marshall to be the least dramatic, most cogent political voice on the web.

    • Relativicus

      And if nothing else, grab onto the silver lining: Trump missed the $100,000/Head birthday party he threw for himself.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        It was only $300 a head. That’s why a bunch of rubes were there eating caviar with plastic spoons. MarALago was worried the hicks would steal the mother of pearl spoons.

        • cmd resistor

          There were 2 things. The $300 thing was on Thursday and sponsored by some group called I think the Trumpettes. He wasn’t planning to go to that one. But the Saturday one was $100,000 – $250,000 and he did miss that. And, ha ha, part of the price included having your photo taken with him.

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            I’d pay $50 to NOT have my picture taken with him.

            I attended a party that Trump was at years ago, and I probably could have had my picture taken with him if I’d asked, but I considered him gross and disgusting, even back then.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      That did make me feel a bit better after I read it.

  • btwbfdimho
    • FeloniousMonk

      That one’s funny, but the rest of the @ALT_uscis tweets are ultra-left crazy talk of the very type that turns people into Republicans. It’s the straw man argument made real.

  • Everrett Fanuelli

    “After his election in 1932, FDR met with Sidney Hillman and other labor leaders, many of them active Socialists with whom he had worked over the past decade or more. Hillman and his allies arrived with plans they wanted the new President to implement. Roosevelt told them: “I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it.”

    Let’s support Dems in November regardless. That way we can “make them do it.”

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      I don’t think anyone here would even consider voting for a Republican. The real problem we’ll have is if someone decides to vote for Susan Sarandon or Jill Stein, because “Democrats are just as bad as Republicans.”

      • Historicat

        Or a repeat of 2010, when a lot of voters upset they didn’t get single payer stayed home.

        Ceding all those state houses to Republicans really showed the Democrats, right?

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          Democrats love to punch our own dicks…repeatedly.

    • Marion in Savannah

      At least I’ll be able to. Someone is running against Buddy Carter, my execrable congresscritter. So, yay.

  • But… this doesn’t support the narrative that Democrats are spineless wimps and we need to vote for more Green party people to really win at all!

    • puredog

      What does Bernie have to say about all this?

      • I really want to hear what Jill Stein and Glenn Greenwald think… #sarcasm

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          I’m waiting to hear from Susan Sarandon before I make up my mind.

    • Jeffery Campbell

      You have the front page of today’s NY Times for that.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      I’m disappointed that Dems backed down (as usual), but I’ll still faithfully vote for them.

      • FeloniousMonk

        They folded a losing hand, that’s just good poker.

  • Bub the very stable zombie
    • Cousin Itt, hoi polloi

      Jesus does know what it’s like to get nailed.

      Too soon?

      • Bub the very stable zombie

        I’m not sure. It’s a thorny question.

        • Jeffery Campbell

          Once again, Dems have kicked the can down the Via Dolorosa.

        • pstokk

          Makes me feel all Pontius.

        • Celtic_Gnome

          My attitude is if it isn’t too soon to make money off it, it’s not too soon to make jokes about it.

      • davej1s

        Dude, don’t mess with me, I will stab you in the side with a spear.
        Now, back to business…come on seven, daddy needs a new pair of shoes!

      • King Beauregard

        Jesus warned: he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword. But what about carpenters, Jesus? Ever think about that, HAH?

      • Gayer Than Thou

        You’re gonna get crucified for that joke.

    • Nounverb911
      • Kryptonian Uncle Zor

        They luuurve The Devil, as long as he holds up his end of the bargain.

      • jodyleek

        A Mulligan? Since when did Jesus play golf?

  • Relativicus

    I’m glad to see things are settling down after 24 hours. I do think that those with an ax to grind will still be bringing this matter up in October (after all, there are some dead-enders out there who are still — STILL! — bitching about the 2016 democratic primary). But hopefully there’s enough time to keep enough heads screwed on correctly to ensure democratic victories in the fall.

  • Everrett Fanuelli

    OT: What is with this new genre of music? Bands like Boy Pablo, Gus Dapperton, King Krule?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzi7ljJiLJQ

    • Lance Thrustwell

      New genre? Sounds like lounge-y pop balladry to me. It’s a little Euro-flavored. Reminds me a little bit of Cousteau or Air.

      • Everrett Fanuelli

        It’s like a thing though. Reminds me of Ariel Pink.

    • Jeffery Campbell

      Those cute legs are distracting.

    • puredog

      I’m not sure that’s the best venue in which to play an electric guitar, or, “needz moar toaster.”

    • Cleojonz

      I wouldn’t really call this a new genre. Sounds very 80s to me.

  • ariel_gee_398

    Can we all keep in mind that the Dreamers are screwed because Trump ended DACA and Ryan won’t let a broadly popular, bipartisan bill up for a vote, not because Democrats made a deal on CHIP?

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      A judge also issued a stay in Trump’s effort to strip DACA so there is time.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      How dare you suggest we pin the blame on those truly responsible instead of fighting amongst ourselves.

  • Bub the very stable zombie

    For all the bitching about this deal, I have to see a convincing explanation of what more those who are complaining about it think Schumer could have achieved by prolonging the shutdown.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      This. Well said.

    • mysonsam

      I was one that was utterly livid about that deal…

      What I needed to do was sleep on it. Part of my problem is that I have been vacillating between upset to outright livid for the last year. I am tired, frustrated and angry — not a combination that makes for clear thinking.

      Throw in that McConnell and Ryan are absolute shitheads and that the Dem’s are only just starting to find their their spines and it’s very hard to trust.

      In other words I am newly woke and like toddlers everywhere I needed a time out and a nap. (btw I’m on the wrong side of 40 and i do vote!)

      • SweetDeeKat

        Having a snack helps, too. Peanut butter on something can be soothing.

        • data_ninja

          It sure can… also, you can eat it!

      • tza

        I was a little growly when it ended, but okay on the short extension overall. Then I found out an hour later we’d gotten CHIP too and was super happy.

        • mysonsam

          At least there’s something to show for all the work.

          I just don’t trust the GOP to keep their word, (unless it involves screwing the poors in the name Jesus…) and let’s face it they’re better at the whole messaging/spin game then the Dem’s. If only because the truth is complicated and lies are not.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      Keeping in mind that the Dems were dealing with a party that would like to see the federal government destroyed because they think all power should belong to the states.

      If these fuckers could get a constitutional convention up and running, they’d throw the entire constitution out and replace it with the Articles of Confederation.

  • (((Sedagive)))

    GOP POLS: “we want to take away kid’s health care, deport Dreamers, and do a lot of awful shit that is so heinous that even members of our own party think we’re going too far but fuck it”

    DEM POLS: “We want to make sure that everyone has healthcare, that we have humane immigration reform, and do a lot of good things that even members of the other party agree with. Join us.”

    VOTERS: “We hate Trump, most of us want what the DEMS have to offer, and it’s too bad that the GOP keeps winning. I wish someone would do something about it.”

    • Gayer Than Thou

      VOTERS: “We hate Trump, most of us want what the DEMS have to offer, but we hate women/people of color/LGBTQ people/immigrants more, so what’re you gonna do?”

  • Stulexington

    What did we get? Well we got CHIPS but that was already on the table. What we got was the Democrats flexing a little muscle, and the Republicans with egg on their faces and a week knocked off the reset timer..

    • Rick Hill

      I got a rock….

  • Adam Field

    Yeah, that’s exactly how I felt about it too, when I read about it – totally didn’t understand why everyone was saying the Dems lost on this. They didn’t at all. They were basically in a standoff hostage situation, and they were the ones trying to make sure all the hostages survived. The deal they made, they’re still in the hostage situation, only they just freed one of the hostages. How is that remotely a bad thing?

  • h4rr4r

    I would not use the idiom about throwing for McConnel.
    The problem is if you get a good spin on him his shell and carapace would make him sail pretty far.

    • Roadstergal

      He gets my dander up. I could heave him pretty damn far.

      • Claire

        I bet I could throw him a long damn way if we were measuring vertically.

  • Mavenmaven

    Trump is already asshole tweeting sore ‘winner’ tweets from hell about this.

    • gnomemansanisland

      Good. That only makes his small base of idiots happy.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Would you expect any less from Trump? Has he EVER looked presidential? That WH answering machine was one of the most childish political things I’ve seen in my entire life.

    • Belasaurius

      are you surprised?

  • PlutoAnimus

    The idea of Bernie Brat ‘liberals’ crying like spoiled toddlers over this outcome gives me a big smile.

    Grow up, babies. Learn about a little something called Realpolitik. Study what happened to George McGovern. Stop trying to live in a happy, perfect fantasy world.

    Mom always said, ‘delay of gratification is a sure sign of maturity’. In the case of the whiny progressive wing of the Democratic Party, we see the ugly opposite.

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      Kos members are still crying over this.

      • Cheesus Crust _ Rebel

        They’re called the Daily Bern for a reason…

      • Claire

        God. I used to read that site, and now it’s nothing but people endlessly re-fighting the primary wars.

        • (((Sedagive)))

          There are still some wonderful folks there, and a lot of very thoughtful (if overly-earnest) threads.

          But yeah: it is a purity ponies corral.

    • h4rr4r

      They don’t vote anyway.
      Prove me wrong kids, Nov 2018, prove me wrong.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Nah…The Man makes you do establishment shit like “register”. It’s selling out.

      • Marceline

        They’ll prove you wrong by writing in Chelsea Manning as a protest vote all over the country.

        • h4rr4r

          You spelled right incorrectly.
          Such a childish move would prove me correct, that they should be ignored.

    • Timothy Watson

      If there’s one thing that gets me straight to pissed off, it’s the take your ball and go home bullshit I keep hearing.

      I can understand being mad or depressed over the result, especially if you’re been involved in the immigration reform struggle, but goddammit, we’ve been trying to do something for immigration reform since, what 2006?

      And now, you’re going to drop out, not vote, not give a shit come November?

      Ugh, just fucking ugh.

      Edit: can’t->can in second graph.

      • FeloniousMonk

        But it worked so well in 2010, and again in 2016!

    • ken_kukec

      My mom always said, if at first you don’t succeed … fuck it, probably wasn’t worth it anyway. (Mom eschewed cliché.)

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    Democrats have the smartest and funniest people on our side, while Republicans have humorless, treacherous liars on their side, yet they constantly beat us at messaging. I can’t figure out why. Possibly because their followers are gullible rubes who will believe anything.

    • renegade500

      That and I think there’s this idea among many on the left that they don’t want to stoop to the same lows in messaging. Unfortunately, lofty ideals isn’t going to cut it in this day and age.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        They always beat us in the bumper sticker wars. Other than “One out of Three Trump Supporters is Just as Stupid as the Other Two”, I NEVER see any good bumper stickers on our side.

        • renegade500

          Obama did a good job of getting young people involved with the running of his campaigns, and with messaging in particular. I know there’s talent out there, the question is, can we harness it?

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            I hope to god we run someone who is very charismatic in 2020.

        • cmd resistor

          That’s because trying to explain reality won’t fit on a bumper sticker.

      • Claire

        A lot of the left doesn’t seem to think they should stoop to messaging at all. I’ve had people ask me “Uh, do you want policies that can fit on a BUMPER STICKER”? as if that were the worst and trashiest thing imaginable.

        Refusing to meet an audience with your message in their own language isn’t a sign of superior morality or intellect, it’s the sign of someone who’s about to be resoundingly ignored.

        • renegade500

          We are in agreement on that. I think the left has been unwilling to adjust their messaging because they think people should rise up to the messaging being put out. And that’s not a problem the Republicans have. For all their faults, they are better at messaging than Democrats are.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Never underestimate the power of resentment – and providing specious pretexts for outrage.

      • Darlene Underdahl

        White grievance. An old term but appropriate.

    • FeloniousMonk

      Gullible rubes who actually vote, on voting day.

    • Marceline

      Because Republicans message is simple, “Those people are taking what rightfully belongs to you.” Democrats messaging has to rely on the audience having a baseline amount of empathy.

      • cmd resistor

        Exactly, empathy and an ability to reason and see through shit.

      • BloviateMe

        Hate energizes more than empathy, no doubt about it.

        p.s. all your posts come with a Wanda Sykes voice, it’s kind of fun.

        • Marceline

          That’s why I kind of laugh when people say that Democrats needs a positive, uplifting message when we see repeatedly that a large part of the population that doesn’t respond to that and are motivated by anger.

      • CripesAmighty

        In combination with, “Are you a stupid loser? That’s okay, here’s someone to blame/punch.” Works everytime .

      • PlutoAnimus

        Can you give me an example of a Democrat in Congress who did a good job of conveying that empathy in a talking point?

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        And brains.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        Obamaphones!!!!*

        *which technically are “ReaganPhones” since he was the one who started the program, but still, I don’t like the idea that I’m subsidizing poor people so that they can have phones.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      It’s always harder to appeal to the better angels of our nature than to the more selfish and primal instincts of grievance, revenge, and self-enrichment. You get animals to do tricks for food, not by asking them to care about others.

    • PlutoAnimus

      No, the Democrats suck at messaging.

      Did even one of them say, ‘DACA repeal is wrong because children should not be punished for their parents’ actions’?

      C’mon, Democrats, this shit ain’t rocket science.

    • King Beauregard

      There’s only one demographic that has trouble hearing the Democrats’ messaging: white people.

      Rather than ask what’s wrong with the Democrats, ask what’s wrong with white people.

    • Old Man Yells at Cloud

      Progressives message to the prefrontal cortex. Conservatives message to the limbic system. While progressive messaging is about logic, conservatives message to induce fear and a panicking animal doesn’t think through the situation and reacts from emotion.

    • Gayer Than Thou

      I’d like to introduce you to a little network called Fox, and a species of journalist called Cillizza-Haberman.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        Damn it, man! We have the Daily Show and Colbert, can we not even come up with a decent bumper sticker?????

    • Dg Hacket

      Cuz theres a lot of dumb people out there

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      They pay their copywriters more.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        It’s weird that the party that promises the wealthy that they won’t have to pay any taxes, attracts the wealthy, isn’t it?

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          Well, as a copywriter, I can assure you that we’re usually not wealthy. But we will jump at the chance to become so.

  • Belasaurius

    a good compromise leaves everyone mad

    • Lance Thrustwell

      The hell you say! {stamps foot}

    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      The Dutch would disagree.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    Jason Johnson from The Root made a good point the other day regarding negotiations with Republicans…they’re going to kill the hostages no matter what you do, so we’re kind of at a disadvantage. Our only hope for DACA, immigrants, or the future of the Great Experiment in general is to take control of Congress.

  • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

    Kobayashi Maru. There was no solution to this one – there were only ways to reach stalemate or lose less badly.

    • (((Sedagive)))

      Someone call James Tiberius Kirk!

      Then again, maybe not.

      • Opiwan

        As long as he doesn’t get to sing

    • Msgr_MΩment

      And the Russkies aren’t allowing anyone to hack the program but themselves.

  • Jgb979

    Yeah this is kind of my take.

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with recognizing things don’t have to always be all or nothing

    I think this was about as good as we could have done given the circumstances short of holding government open 2 weeks and expecting Republicans to cave. Stupid dick baby shithole NEVER would cave if he thought he was winning the PR battle (and he at least thought this)

    Chip is off the table for 6 years and otherwise nothing has changed. Republicans can no longer threaten to murder children in the next round of negotiations. When Mcturtle blows the deal or when Ryan refuses to take the bill up, you shut the shit down again in 2 weeks having strengthened your bargaining position

  • Baconzgood

    OK. Let’s be honest and deal with the 500lbs gorilla in the room. No matter how you spin it we libtards lost. We caved to a bully. Don’t spin. WE LOST!!!1!!!! (AGAIN).

    Do you need snuggled? Or are you going to get everything raged?

  • “How does this end”?

    After a question like that, the murders began. (With our votes in November)

  • Everrett Fanuelli

    OT: Kinda digging this. It’s like June and the Exit WOunds or Ariel Pink

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9e7K6Hx_rY

  • BloviateMe

    I’m outraged that the party that controls zero branches of government didn’t get everything at once when bartering with homicidal maniacs.

    Or something.

    • Bill D. Burger

      “I’ll surrender ONLY if I can dictate the terms of surrender.” ___ Said no winner ever.

      • FeloniousMonk

        “I’ll never fold a losing hand” said every loser ever.

    • Timothy Watson

      “We wouldn’t have this problem if we had truuuuuuuue progressives!1!!”

      Uh, just had a flashback there. I’m a recovering Republican and that parody reminder me of the teabaggers (replace “progressives” with “conservatives”), whom I fucking hated.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      ^this^

  • Daniel Hooper

    I was a bit salty yesterday when I first heard about it, but ultimately, I guess this is a, “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” situation. The same blind idiots who voted for Trump and support the Republican agenda aren’t going to be hurt by the government being shut down or place the blame where it really belong, and in the meantime federal workers are getting put on leave while Democrats and anybody who can see through the bullshit already know who’s really to blame.

    Maybe it’ll actually matter to some people if Mitch McConnell takes back his word that he gave in a few weeks time? Probably not, but once can dream. Just don’t be a Dreamer, or you’re in a bad place right now.

  • Me not sure

    FDF you and I are thinking alike on this. Progressive politics is about change and change on a large scale is gained in increments, short of violent revolution. Conservatism is, by nature, static at best and reactionary at worst. They defend and defense is easier than offense. Holding is easier than changing. Once change occurs, however, if it is positive, it becomes very difficult to dislodge. Look, for example, at the ACA. We have to learn how to take our victories and use them to consolidate support for the next fight. Progressive politics is a constant fight. It is not for the weak of heart.

    • Timothy Watson

      Every revolution is met by a counter-revolution.

      Electing Obama was, in a lot of ways, a revolution for America. And these fucking Republicans have been fighting the same fights against racial and sexual equality for decades, did we expect them to just lie down and NOT spend another decade fighting against everything Obama did?

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Thank you, $5F. I want to believe.

  • Weißwurst Supreme

    People keep insisting that we somehow got CHIP in exchange for passing the CR… But CHIP funding was already in the CR.

    CHIP funding is not a victory. It’s not something new that was given in exchange for support. We “got” what was on offer all along, plus a worse than worthless promise to look at legislation that will never manage to go anywhere anyway.

    What a win. A few more victories like that and we’ll lose entirely!

    • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

      And the alternative is what? Keep the government closed? How long can you do that before the people who support you who rely on that government’s services turn on you because they can’t pay their rent or feed their kids?

    • h4rr4r

      Go tell that BS to the parents of and the children on CHIP.

      In 3 weeks we get another bite at the apple, and DACA is in no danger until long after.

      • Old Man Yells at Cloud

        And if you believe that CHIP is safe for 6 years, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that you might be interested purchasing.

        • Antonin Dvorak

          Maybe not 6, but probably through this year, which is enough time regain congress.

        • h4rr4r

          Safer than it was before.

    • FeloniousMonk

      Why would Democrats want to win DACA while Republicans stand to take all of the credit? It would only serve to confirm that “they’re all the same” and “it doesn’t matter.” It might well take mass deportations starting this summer to get the non-voters off of their asses, so bring it on.

  • Timothy Watson

    But red state Dems who are up in November — Manchin, Heitkamp, Donnelly and McCaskill — got political cover to vote to reopen the government.

    And Tim Kaine, in purple Virginia, doesn’t have a million pissed off government workers and contractors at his neck come November.

    • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

      I think that’s a piece some of the Negative Neds are forgetting. The people who get hurt are not the politicians. They’re the rank-and-file civil servants who are just trying to make a living like everyone else.

      • cmd resistor

        So true.

  • williams517

    The thing that really bothers me is that once a deal was struck all of the Trump supporters came out of their trailers and declared Trump a great deal maker and all this other crap. Trump didn’t do shit to get this deal done. God, I fuckin hate Trump supporters.

    • FeloniousMonk

      They don’t bother me. Entirely predictable, and sometimes, they even have a point. It’s the non-voters that drive me absolutely bonkers.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      We were warned that we would get sick of all the winning.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      After all those jobs he “saved” at Carrier and that $1 raise at Wal Mart that made everyone rich with tax cuts, this doesn’t surprise me.

    • Gayer Than Thou

      As far as I can tell, the deal only went through because Twitler was chained up in a White House basement with no access to his tweeting device.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      That was going to happen either way. Trump could have publicly been put into a medically-induced coma for the weekend (instead of the usual McDonald’s coma) and his supporters would have declared it all a part of his genius negotiating skills.

  • Msgr_MΩment
    • MynameisBlarney

      A tree from the set of The Evil Dead?

    • Bill D. Burger
      • (((Sedagive)))

        Roy Batty’s soliloquy for ever and ever and ever. Amen.

      • Bananas Foster

        Heh. That was literally the conversation I had last night at my sort of inter-therapist round table/healing session/unofficial group therapy.

        This opioid crisis is kicking the fuck out of people who are trying to help people experiencing addiction.

        I don’t deal with strictly substance abuse clients, but I do deal with dual-diagnosis clients. (Most of the people last night have a lost more exposure on the SA side.)

        People are leaving the profession because they can’t deal with the number of clients who are ODing/dying.

        • Naytch

          You are a brave person in a very difficult job.

      • Christopher Story

        Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.
        C-beams glittering in the darkness at Tenhauser gate.
        All these moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
        Time to die.

        Quite possibly my favorite

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Twenty-first Century Schizoid Tree.

    • BloviateMe

      Now that’s a tree that arbors ill will.

    • Old Man Yells at Cloud

      Nature reacts on Jan 21, 2017.

    • altleftjohn

      Must be a Bannon tree.

    • Bananas Foster

      That is the tree that I decide to build my Hansel and Gretel cottage next to and retire when I can no long deal with other people’s mental illness.

      ETA: I won’t eat kids, but that tree belongs in Grimm.

    • Baconzgood

      Looks like the Ents have been doing a little inbreeding

    • TJ Barke

      Ftahgn!

    • Michael R
    • Opiwan

      This is what happens when you REALLY piss off the Ents #TreebeardOnRoids

    • IdiokraticKulturKommissar

      It’s a Picasso Poplar.

    • VirginiaHighFiber

      Worst case of Dryad PMS I’ve seen this year.

    • Christopher Story

      I think I battled that boss in a video game.

    • Tom Lindsay

      Didn’t I see that in John Carpenter’s “The Thing?”

    • SDGeoff3

      Kellyanne?

    • Uncle Mark

      It’s the tree where that KKKeebler Elf, Sessions, bakes his KKKookies

    • Uncle Mark

      It’s Trump’s family tree

    • Sakonyachen

      Do you know if this tree is big enough for a grown man to climb in the mouth? Also too, where is it?

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Further OT. https://www.theonion.com/furloughed-bison-pour-back-into-national-parks-after-go-1822312564 Furlouged bison pour back into national parks after government reopens.

  • Beaufighter

    Mexican Rapist Taco Trucks is my new band name.

  • Bananas Foster

    Honestly, I’m full team THE DEMS ARE WORKING FOR ME because if I weren’t I’d have to give up.

    • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

      I’m all for pushing the people we got right now to do the right thing, since the alternatives are tilting at windmills or unconditional surrender. And my shoulders get tired holding my hands over my head.

    • (((Sedagive)))

      My political advice has always been: vote for Democrats, hold their feet to the fire. Rinse, repeat.

      • Hesavebread!

        Round these parts we hold their arses to the fire, but whatever works for you.

      • SDGeoff3

        Yeah, but nobody ever rinses and repeats.

  • dshwa

    You don’t win wars in one decisive battle, despite what TV and movies show. You win them one battle at a time. We got CHIP, they got 3 weeks to come up with something else or be right back where they started. All the while Schumer gets to talk about the Durbin-Graham compromise that’s just sitting there waiting to be voted on, and how Trump and a few Nihilists in the House are preventing the government from functioning.

    Yes, it’s not a big decisive win. But it’s still a win.

    • Bill D. Burger
      • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

        I honestly think that no one in the Senate Dem Caucus believes it. But he’s on record, and that’s a nice big club to use.

      • Bub the very stable zombie

        I don’t think the analogy is accurate. Chuck made contact with the ball this time, and scored a field goal. But the game isn’t over.

      • Antonin Dvorak

        If we use this analogy, Lucy agreed not to pull the ball away again, and if she does the entire town will shut down.

      • dshwa

        The difference here is, Schumer has a shut down in 3 weeks if McConnell doesn’t keep his word. That’s something Flake and Collins never made sure they had: leverage.

    • Shan

      How did we “get” CHIP? It never should have been on the table in the first place.

      • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

        Trap was the only option. They were holding CHIP to use in just this manner because they’re cynical assholes. So we sprung the trap, but got out before we got caught.

        • dshwa

          Yeah. Holding CHIP hostage was always the republican’s play. Now we got that hostage free, so it’s time to move on to the next one (DACA).

      • Baconzgood

        Chip has been on the table for months Stroppy. Oh..where’s the remote? Have you seen it? Not the TV remote the DVD one.

        • Shan

          No idea. I have a talent for losing remotes. And socks.

          • BearGHAZI

            You two need to keep the tempestuous, Eugene O’Neill-style familial drama off the funny pages

          • Shan

            We’re both Irish-ish. We can’t help it.

            *throws another plate*

      • dshwa

        And what more precisely could any democrat have done to keep CHIP off of the table in the first place? Republicans have controlled the House since 2010. They had to bring up CHIP in a bill to reauthorize it. Now it’s funded for 6 years, and can’t be used as a hostage again. That’s a win.
        Yes, DACA didn’t get voted on. Which sucks. But there was no way democrats were getting both in one bite, and the accusation that they were holding CHIP kids hostage for the dream act was not a good look (yes, it was inaccurate, but it still would have played badly for democrats). So now that attack is out of play as well.

      • FeloniousMonk

        “never should have” … but was. If actuality matters.

      • shivaskeeper

        CHIP ran out Sep 31 last year. There was a temporary extension on one of the other CR’s last year. It was out of money last Friday. It didn;t suddenly run out of money last fiscal year, it was long known that it would need to be refunded. The House refused to even bring it to a vote. Who controls the House?

        It should have never been on the table, but it was. It was because the GOPers wanted to use it as a cudgel and they did. They knew they would be able to use it at some point when they let it expire because working on “tax reform” was more important.

        We “got” CHIP for funded for six years this time around. One of the big hostages has been taken off the table. That is not a loss.

        • Shan

          I know it was a hostage situation created by the Republicans over something that had never been controversial before. That’s why I don’t feel like it was a win. It was a distraction.

          • shivaskeeper

            9M kids were really going to lose health insurance. That is not distraction.

            The only reason it was temporarily funded was that the letters tossing the kids off CHIP would have arrived right around Christmas. “Merry Christmas, you little fucking taker. Don;t get sick until your parents get better jobs. Love, The GOP (The party of Jesus and loving children)”.

            The thing is CHIP is still not controversial. At least according to public statements. That didn;t stop it from being used as a hostage.

            I think, had the finding lapsed, there is no way the program would have ever been reauthorized. The reasoning would be something along the lines of: See no one died without the program in place. One more nasty entitlement we can cut out for good.

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          • AnnieGetYerFun

            Given how much of both houses of Congress are controlled by the GOP, there was nothing that could be done by Dems to get CHIP back on the table until there was a showdown over another issue. This was that showdown.

    • Sakonyachen

      Politics is a never ending game. I can’t say there are many big decisive wins. When you control nothing, and you pull the opposing party in your direction while creating a political trap for them to perjure themselves in the court of public opinion, I have to say it might be a big decisive win.

  • Michael R
  • TJ Barke
    • Baconzgood

      Yeah….he’s screwed. But he wants to go down in a blaze of glory.

      • SDGeoff3

        Fine. I can help.

    • Timothy Watson

      His karma has earned him a worst place than that.

  • Bill D. Burger

    Oooo! Just saw where The Attorney General of the Lollipop Guild was questioned for hours and hours yesterday by Mueller’s team.
    Bet it started thus…

    MT: “State your name and position in the government for the record.”

    Sessions: “I don’t recall.”

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUOrqDmWsAAjLYx.jpg

    • Michael R
      • Bill D. Burger

        That’s become truly iconic! Always makes me LOL.

    • Baconzgood

      Apparently the Trump administration can’t even recall how they tied their wing tips in the morning.

    • Anna Rompage

      I have no recollection of any contact with any Russians, or anyone in the campaign having contact with any Russians, and remember specifically telling Papadopolus that he should end his contacts with the Russian operatives that befriended him, because we had better people, with better coverage, talking with the Russians

      • Baconzgood

        RIIIIIGHT

  • Scooby

    We got 6 years funding to help sick children for a measley 3 week CR, I’ll take that deal every day!

  • Bill D. Burger

    “Our future is so bright. Melania and I will be in Davos……..wait….what? She’s not…..well, just keep that immigrant bitch away from divorce attorneys. Capische?”

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUOrcpSW4AAldIv.jpg

    • An Outhouse for the résistance

      Don’t worry, I hear there will be Stormy weather in Davos if you know what I mean.

  • wry6read

    wtf. Since it’s all an extortionate Mexican standoff anyway, next time Bride of Chuckie can just hold out for Mushmouth McBoatface promise not to f with SS, Mcare, Mcaid at all ever without super majority b4 support for any CR. Bound to snag voter attention by the short hairs, leaving same voters deranged & vengeful when GOP inevitably breaks their promise.

  • Edith Prickly, Stable Genius

    I tend to stay out of these discussions because I find this whole deal-making process very arcane and confusing, but this analysis makes sense to me. Maybe I’m assuming too much, but I’m sure Chuck Schumer et al know Mitch is not to be trusted and have a strategy for the next round of “let’s play games with people’s lives.”

    • Resistor Radio

      I also think, tactically, a healthy amount of liberal outrage is good for the overall deal making. Remember, liberal tears are the endgame for a number of these jackholes. If a deal seems to make us happy, theylll scuttle it in a heartbeat.

      • Dutchman

        Agreed. As long as that outrage is tempered by a degree of pragmatism. We liberals have a bad habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

      • Beaufighter

        THIS. If only we could somehow convincingly weep and moan at the prospect of single-payer…

        • sgt. jmk of the résistance

          Oh no, B’rer Turtle! Don’t make me go into that single-payer patch!!

          • data_ninja

            Brilliant.

    • Beaufighter

      Schumer very publicly pulled a pin and handed the grenade to Mitch with a smile.

      • Old Man Yells at Cloud

        But he got it from AMCE so when it blows up it will be in Chuck’s face.

      • Shawn Charniga

        See, that’s my kind of political analysis right there!

  • gene108

    “Under the Pedophile Wresting Coach (Hastert) Rule, no bill gets a vote unless it’s supported by a majority of the Republican majority.”

    Correction the Boehner-Ryan rule is more extreme than the Hastert rule. Under the Hastert rule, if there were 240 Republicans in the House, you’d need 121 to be on board to bring it for a vote, in theory. Even if Hastert would want more than 50%+1 in support, he’d bring something to a vote that’d pass with like 180 Republican votes and 40-50 Democratic votes.

    The Boehner-Ryan rule is to only bring bills for a vote that can pass only with Republican votes.

    So many good bills have gone to die, because Boehner and now Ryan, refused to hold a vote because they might require icky Democrats to help the Republican majority pass it and thus not allow the Freedumb Caucus to hold the country hostage.

  • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

    They’re spinning Donnie being disengaged and petty as “genius negotiating”. Oy vey.

    https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/955792442476892161

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Mulvaney is a true shithole. Always has been.

    • ariel_gee_398

      In fairness, that’s probably right here. Simply because Trump has no fucking clue how anything works or what even is a policy, so he’s as useful as a wet fart in negotiations.

      • It’s laziness and incompetence masquerading as a Zen-like cool-headedness.

        • cmd resistor

          By accident. Certainly Trump wouldn’t even want to be considered cool-headed or Zen-like. He loves his image of a hot-head.

      • theCryptofishist

        Pretty much what I wanted to say, but much better phrased. And I remembered to look down before posting! Personal triumph unlocked!

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        Sometimes, committing sepuku is literally the best option on the table.

    • cmd resistor

      That still of Mulvaney makes him look like a fake person.

      • sgt. jmk of the résistance

        Coincidentally, Cuomo’s wearing his “are you for real?” face.

    • the old adage not playing soccer isn’t a hobby applies here.

    • Pisto75666

      Up is down! Cats are barking. It’s MADNESS!

  • Iggy

    I think it’s a good thing that Trump thinks this is a win for him. Who knows what he would wreck out of spite if he thought he’d lost.

    9 million kids have health insurance when maybe they wouldn’t have otherwise. I count that as a win for compassion. 6 years of funding puts it into the next term with a hopefully sane congress and new president( I can dream.) so it isn’t a bargaining chip they can use anymore. The fact that Repubs are willing to use the healthcare insurance of nine million kids as leverage to enact a more racist immigration policy says a lot about them. And us.

    • Beaufighter

      9 million kids just got health care for six years but sorry too busy rending garments and gnashing teeth at a perceived failure.

      ~ everyone, for some reason

      • StlSaxist

        A lot of it is theater, and a lot of it is mouseclick enhancement.
        Theater happens when you pound on the podium and scream at Democrats then immediately object to a resolution that would fix what you are ranting about.
        Mouseclick enhancement occurs both with pictures of kittens and train wrecks.
        This was always going to be a long, hard slog. #45 is happy with the _appearance_ of victory. Bqhatevwr. I’m more interested in actual progress. 6 years of CHiP is progress.

  • Bill D. Burger
  • Dutchman
  • VirginiaHighFiber

    We got CHIP for 6 years! Thanks for taking one for the kids Dems. TURTLE SOUP FOR EVERYONE!!!

    • Old Man Yells at Cloud

      6 years because McTurtle has proven to trustworthy in the past?

  • RickyG

    Plenty of time for Mitch and Paul to round up another hostage.

  • YouInDangerGirl!

    Thank you for this, FDF. What Dems are doing here is showing a capacity to negotiate with the other side, because that’s how a two-party system works. They’re maintaining an essential norm in which it is very, very bad if the government has to shut down and this cannot become a standard of brinksmanship in the era of Trump. They’re showing that they’re the ones who can lead. Everyone’s watching McConnell even more closely now to see if he’ll fuck them on this and prove even more conclusively, if possible, that the party he leads has no interest actual governance.

    • Meanwhile, the media will continue to play the false equivalence game, even after the arrest of a Trumpista who wanted to shoot up CNN headquarters.

      • gingerland62

        …And the interview of the Attorney General by the Special Counsel.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        And this is the problem. The Village is in the tank for Rethug intransigence.

        My nym. Again and again.

  • Gayer Than Thou

    I’m cautiously hopeful, in that I have the impression that DACA is very popular and, maybe, harder for the Republicans to kill when it’s the only baby on the table. Or whatever the metaphor is.

    • I’m hoping that even people who are on the fence collectively say, “This shit again?” in three weeks when the government shutdown looms.

      • Old Man Yells at Cloud

        I fully expect the Corporate Media narrative to be “Why do the Democrats keep shutting down the government?”

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          I don’t think they’ll be able to, after that promise from the Senate floor. That was the smartest part of Chuck’s deal- take away the villager’s ability to blame the next one on the Dems.

          • Old Man Yells at Cloud

            You give there American people way too much credit. In 3 weeks a Kardashian will have done something, so the American people won’t remember a thing about this except that the Democrats shut down the government.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        there will be a bunch of that- making it real hard for the GOP to blame Dems

      • HarryButtle

        They will…and then they’ll blame the Dems for shutting down the government for the second time in a month.

  • I said this yesterday: CHIP now, DACA next.

  • The Very Stable Librarian

    My magic 8 ball says the GOP will eat shit this November with a side salad of bitterness and white whine vinegar dressing.

    • SDGeoff3

      Served cold.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        The best way to serve this dish.

  • motocat

    You make good points. I’ll admit I’m not very good at understanding subtle political maneuvers. I’m not apologizing to my two senators for voting for it, though.

    • theCryptofishist

      I am so lucky to live in Harris/Feinstein country.

  • Blender_415

    Now that the guv is open for a few weeks while dreamers continue to (rightfully) freak the hell out about whether or not they’ll be sent to countries they don’t even know, can we get back to the Really Important Stuff? Like who’s going to get Pence to stammer that “baseless allegation” crap again when asked about Stormy Daniels? Or even better, what reporter is going to call out a question to Mrs. Trump on it?

    • cmd resistor

      I’d imagine Melania won’t get near any opportunities for question shouting out, especially if she doesn’t go to Davos.

      • theCryptofishist

        And she can always hide behind imperfect English.

        • sarafina

          Does she even do press conferences?

          • theCryptofishist

            I don’t think so.

  • Tovarish Z

    Thank you F$F. I appreciate you rationality and understanding of nuance. “Politics is the art of the possible” – Otto Von Bismarck. The Democrats got what was possible.

  • Pierre_de_Fermat

    Given the obvious instability of DT and his enablers, reducing the # of hostages (er … “issues”) to 1 should allow focus. It’s clear that even the GOP has no idea what he wants and the “great dealmaker” has no clue what he is doing, so must be guided along and given as few options (“complications”) as possible.

    • sarafina

      I’m thinking it is highly likely some other hostage will be added before the Feb. date in question. I remember when the news was filled with stories from around the world, plans that were being made. Since January 2017, it’s just been The Dotard’s fuck-ups.

  • Christopher Story

    Who could’ve possibly had the foresight to see this coming?
    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/republicans-say-daca-deal-anger-base/

    • FeloniousMonk

      The 2016 non-voters, apparently. Democrats can’t accomplish what the voters won’t bother to support on the actual election days when it counts.

  • svejk

    well, i dunno, $5F. you almost convincicated me. i tooken to my bed yesterday so’s not to hafta read the papers & the innerwebs. sick to my stummick, i wuz. by the news, not no food. now i sees yer article an i goes, “mebbe, could be yertle din’t stick a shiv in chucky-baby & mebbe chucky-baby din’t cave. BUT IT SHO’ ‘NUFF FELT LIKE IT!”

  • Gzuss

    I love it…yes, it IS time to send in the SWAT team (with votes!).

    “So by putting the Democrats into this binary choice, there was never going to be a good outcome of that. As a matter of fact, at this point, that’s when we would just use, you know, execute an assault and use a SWAT team to do a hostage rescue.” – Malcolm Nance

    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/brad-wilmouth/2018/01/21/msnbc-likens-negotiating-gop-hostage-terror-situation

  • R.S.

    Did McConnell agree that Republicans would not filibuster whatever comes out of these DACA negotiations? I am well aware that McConnell’s word is worthless, and that Republicans can use amendments to poison the bill even if McConnell keeps his word and there is no filibuster.

    That said, if McConnell did NOT agree that Republicans would refrain from a filibuster, the chances that anything will emerge from the Senate are ZERO.

    No media outlet that I’ve checked seems to be interested in this question. Anyone know what the answer is?

    • HazooToo

      If he had agreed no filibuster, it would have been noted.

      • R.S.

        See my other reply once it gets cleared through moderation. (This is not a disagreement, but I’m just saying I dug up some stuff that you might find to be of interest.)

        • HazooToo

          That was pretty well evaluated, though it’s not good for DACA. I think you’re probably right that it’s not going to make it, but I also think Dems need to go down clawing and biting. These people need to HURT for it, with votes. This needs to be the kind of thing that ENDS CAREERS for Republicans. We need to fight hard, and even if we lose, we need to show people exactly what they have done. And when their gross disgusting base crawls out to cheer and claim victory over pictures of broken hearts and families, we need to make a national display of their behavior and question every single non-voter and independent whether they are ok with it. Not just the politicians, but the brutes who vote for them. Expose the sickness.

          • R.S.

            I still can’t see my original reply to a comment that was made in response to my OP (original post). However, that’s not important. My goal in that reply which perhaps you can (but I can’t) see, and which I see no point in posting a third time, was to try to figure out what precisely each of the caucus leaders had “agreed upon.”

            I suspect this is a discussion about messaging/political strategy? I don’t disagree with what you said. However I have knocked 25K doors over the last 15 years in my home state of Indiana. I have talked to thousands of voters. (I have also served as a very minor party official in IDP. That’s the *INDIANA DEMOCRATIC PARTY*, a label that I wear with GREAT pride. Obama ’08!!!)

            It is my belief (take it or leave it) that appealing to a voter’s self-interest may be of some value. I’ll give you two examples. One is health care. Do folks truly understand that the more the number of uninsured people rises, the higher the premiums of already insured folks rise, due to cost-shifting. One other example: who pays the taxes that the wealthy don’t pay? If we borrow to give corporations more cash for stock buy-backs, who gets stuck with the bill in the end? (Oh and BTW, do you go fishing? HOw do you feel about a stream with mining tailings?)

            Indiana used to be a state with at least plausible unions until that (expletive deleted) Mitch (and I mean Daniels) LIED and passed “right to work.” We used to be an agency state. There are a lot of truly **furious** union folks in Indiana.

            I get your whole point about social justice, and it’s 100% valid. However, I would still push back just a teeny-tiny bit and suggest that in this age of billionaire domination, we must also speak to voters about their own selfish interests. I would like to humbly suggest that once these voters understand “there, but for the grace of God, go I”.

            Ask any Indiana Democrat. We are keenly aware of the history of the K in Indiana. We know that the Klan ran this state for nearly a decade. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoKzCff8Zbs

            That said, it’s about a game of inches. As Howard Dean said … “House by House, Street by Street, Block by block …”

            I can’t believe that the Republicans have the chutzpah to screw DREAMers, but I have NEVER put anything past them, or the somnolence of the American public. We’ll have to take it one door at a time, one voter at a time. We’ll have to stand up for what we believe. If I had a penny for every annoying person who claimed that he (and it is always a male) had a gun, I’d be a wealthy person. This stuff happens all the time here in Indiana, we’re quite used to the fake Christian blather. Look at the history of the K, it’s just so obvious.

          • HazooToo

            I don’t know if your original reply has appeared on Disqus, but it’s definitely there in your comment history, which is where I read it. I’m listening to kitty purrs on the internet right now, so I’m a lot more calm, but I agree with you. I just feel awfully powerless sometimes.

          • R.S.

            I would like to suggest that the message of the #MeeToo movement, the union movement, the entire concept of social justice as well as the Democratic party should not give you pause. Calmness is good, but tomorrow we will stand up for what is right. I would urge you to got to YouTube and review some of President Obama’s speeches. I am not personally AA, but I strongly feel that he represents the best among us.Can you imagine President Obama treating a woman with less than 100% respect? Just a random observation here.

          • HazooToo

            Agree again. I spent yesterday reading MLK’s letter from Birmingham, and it was pretty good at reviving my spirits, but now that every day is horrible, gotta keep finding new sources of inspiration. This purring thing is really helping. Tomorrow will probably be some new thing. I’ve written a letter to my Gov, applauding him for agreeing that the PA districts are gerrymandered as fuck, and now all I can really do is hope that it gets fixed before midterms and convince my Republican neighbor that it is in her best interest to vote Dem this year.

    • Ultimately, each Senator is independent. McConnell can’t give that promise.

      For example, McConnell can promise all he wants and in the end someone like Rand Paul could still filibuster anyway.

      • R.S.

        Thanks, but I guess I didn’t make my question clear. A few troublemakers cannot succeed in a filibuster unless they have 41 votes with them. So the caucus leader’s opinion often carries weight.

        Just in case these links help:

        Schumer: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/22/full-text-schumers-speech-government-shutdown-over-355293

        “We expect that a bipartisan bill on DACA will receive fair consideration and an up or down vote on the floor.”

        I’d say a fair reading of that in context (see link) would suggest that ‘We’ means Schumer and McConnell, because that is the clear meaning of ‘We’ as used throughout that paragraph. But it could also mean ‘Democrats’.

        McConnell’s ambiguous torrent of mushy platitudes is analyzed by Josh Marshall here, and it does in fact appear to be the only ‘definitive’ (if one can call it that) statement by McConnell:

        https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/monday-shutdown-vote-still-on-democrats-unsure

        The only other place where I’ve seen this question addressed is in a 538 article by Perry Bacon, who seems to assume that any DACA fix will necessarily be filibustered (look for the string “60”):

        https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-shutdown-didnt-change-anything-but-it-did-teach-us-some-stuff/

        Republicans have myriad tools to kill a DACA deal such as running out the clock, asking for what they can’t get (e.g. a national deportation force) or adding “poison pill” amendments. But I think Josh Marshall could easily be right when he seems to imply that McConnell has not ruled out supporting a filibuster.

        If we assume that most Republicans on Capitol Hill are terrified of their newly-reawakened white nationalist base – which has (predictably) reacted very negatively to any form of “amnesty” – I think it’s pretty clear that DACA will die in the Senate, quite possibly via a filibuster that McConnell supports or at least does not discourage.

      • R.S.

        [Is this moderated or did it lose my earlier reply? I’ll try again]

        Thanks, but I guess I didn’t make my Q clear. A few troublemakers cannot succeed in a filibuster unless they have 41 votes with them. So the caucus leader’s opinion often carries weight.

        Just in case these links help:

        Schumer: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/22/full-text-schumers-speech-government-shutdown-over-355293

        “We expect that a bipartisan bill on DACA will receive fair consideration and an up or down vote on the floor.”

        I’d say a fair reading of that in context (see link) would suggest that ‘We’ means Schumer and McConnell, because that is the clear meaning of ‘We’ as used throughout that paragraph. But it could also mean ‘Democrats’.

        McConnell’s ambiguous torrent of mushy platitudes is analyzed by Josh Marshall here, and it does in fact appear to be the only ‘definitive’ (if one can call it that) statement by McConnell:

        https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/monday-shutdown-vote-still-on-democrats-unsure

        The only other place where I’ve seen this question addressed is in a 538 article by Perry Bacon, who seems to assume that any DACA fix will necessarily be filibustered (look for the string “60”):

        https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-shutdown-didnt-change-anything-but-it-did-teach-us-some-stuff/

        Republicans have myriad tools to kill a DACA deal such as running out the clock, asking for what they can’t get (e.g. a national deportation force) or adding “poison pill” amendments. But I think Josh Marshall could easily be right when he seems to imply that McConnell has not ruled out supporting a filibuster.

        If we assume that most Republicans on Capitol Hill are terrified of their newly-reawakened white nationalist base – which has (predictably) reacted very negatively to any form of “amnesty” – I think it’s pretty clear that DACA will die in the Senate, quite possibly via a filibuster that McConnell supports or at least does not discourage.

  • BigCSouthside

    The ACA is still a juicy looking hostage. That’s my fear

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      They already fucked with it in the CR.

      • Snork Maiden

        there are a couple of things they pushed through. the ACA shit and the intelligence surveillance thingy that both Burr and Warner objected to but were over ruled. monies can now be spent on surveillance without oversight from intelligence community

        • House0fTheBlueLights

          Pretty sure that one actually did get taken out at the last minute.

  • Ross Vachon

    Schumer believes in the ongoing Genocide against the Palestinians. He’s a moral monster. If this wasn’t just another dipshit provincial libtard site, somebody would have mentioned it.

  • calliecallie

    Paul Ryan will end up looking like the bad guy here, because he will never bring up a DACA vote in the House.

    Congress will also have to vote to raise the debt ceiling again some time in March.

    So, there’s that.

    • sarafina

      Yeah, that debt ceiling seems to come up frequently. However, unless the Rs actually learn something about the benefits of paying one’s bills, it may not be helpful. Since the Rs have had complete willingness to shoot the hostage, it’s always horrifying.

  • Pisto75666

    I’ve seen a lot of “both sides”-ers saying that the Dems caved. But I really don’t feel that way at all. Please tell me I’m not the only one.

    • ubetbuddy

      You’re not.

      • Pisto75666

        Thank you :D

    • renegade500

      You’re not. And I’ve certainly been taking some heat from some of my more firm-minded friends, but in the end, I think this was a good thing, esp for the millions of children not losing their insurance and the federal employees who haven’t yet been furloughed for any length of time.

    • DainBramage

      I think getting CHIP funding was a great thing. We’ll see how well the next deadline is handled.
      17 days is an eternity in Trumpworld.

      • Pisto75666

        So true. Maybe someone can throw something shiny in their bubble for the next couple of weeks.

      • Maybe he won’t be president.

    • slappymagoo

      Dems cave argument – every day we put off a DACA vote, families can get torn asunder from ICE agents deporting Dreamers or their parents or all of them on separate buses so they can’t find each other which is what Stephen Miler uses as foreplay.
      Counterargument – every day CHIP wasn’t funded, more families could have gone further into bankruptcy handling the bills their sick kids generate by being sick kids…assuming they get the medical assistance they need in the first place.
      There’s no clear moral victory. Maybe we could have held out and hoped for full funding of ICE and DACA, and the nanosecond any poor kid anywhere in America dies under any illness related circumstance, the Russian bots would have been cyberscreaming that the supposedly Dem led hashtag schumer shutdown murdered little Jimmy Ironlung. Would enough American voters have believed it to wind up voting red in this presumed wave election? Probably not. Would it have muddied the waters enough that those voters opted not to vote, not knowing who to trust? Based on 2016, I’d say All Signs Point To Yes.

      • Darrell Parfitt

        Dems caved when they didn’t show up to vote in 2016, or voted for Jill Stein or some stupid shit like that. After that, everything we’ve seen is baked in. And the DACA vote has zero immediate effect because Trump’s DACA changes have been blocked by the 9th circuit court pending appeal. Undocumented immigrants are still having a very nervous life, but there isn’t much we can do about that except start winning elections.

        • Suthrnboy

          True story….

      • Pisto75666

        Agree 100% to all of this.

        Maybe we could have held out and hoped for full funding of ICE and DACA

        And I could hold out and hope the rivers all turn to M&M’s. It would never happen. I think part of the problem is this “all or nothing” mentality. We have to take victories where we can sometimes.

        Would enough American voters have believed it to wind up voting red in this presumed wave election? Probably not.

        I don’t know about that. Most of them voted for the Trumpelthinskin because they thought he’d get rid of all the scary brown people and bring all the coal jobs back so, who knows?

    • SisterArtemis

      You are not the only one. The DACA part of this is really shitty, and I am aching for those who will lose their status while this is getting hammered out. It’s not that this CR was a great deal; it’s that it was strategically a step ahead for centrists and progressive issues. CHIP funding isn’t nuthin’ and we live to fight another day, for Dreamers and the rest of us.

    • YaJagoff

      You ain’t alone.

  • Most Stable Land Shark

    Just remember kids … Skanky Rhymes Vanky!

    • Impatient

      Nope, too soon. Skank libelz.

  • AnnieGetYerFun

    Do we look like Magic 8 Ball?

    Honey, in those pants? Never.

    • Zyxomma

      Pants? Wash your mouth out with soap.

  • AnnieGetYerFun

    Just listened to a patient NPR host try to get a Republican Congressasshole to stop lying about immigration, and failing. I really wish our anchors would start shouting at politicians the way they do on the BBC.

    • “M”

      Or at absolute minimum, demand responses from them the way the Dutch journalists did that Islamophobic ambassador of Trump’s. “You have to answer the question, Mr. Ambassador – this is the Netherlands”. You could hear the tacit “because this isn’t the United States.”

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        Yeah, there was SOME push-back, but because she obviously didn’t read the bill, she was unable to say things like “THAT IS AN OBVIOUS LIE, Congressman.” She tried using other tactics, but it got nowhere. And then when he moved on to characterizing Dreamers and DACA as “different” and “chain migration” immigrants as “illegal”, I had to turn off the radio so I wouldn’t die of the rage.

    • Grumpy Twat

      Alas, now that Jeremy Paxman has retired, BBC anchors are seldom wading in and calling polticians liars. That’s left to the audience.
      https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2018/01/20/tory-mp-with-links-to-private-healthcare-says-no-health-privatisation-by-stealth-liar/

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        DAMMIT

    • Flashman

      Last night I watched Chris Cuomo and KellyAnn Conway yell at each other for 30 minutes. The dialogue ended when the brick went through the TV. Forget it. These people can’t be reasoned with and can’t be argued with. They can only be killed…with votes, of course.

  • Occupied Shithole of Kavefish

    Also, too; when the next shutdown happens, the Democrats can say, “Hey, we compromised last time, so it’s only fair that the Republicans compromise now.”

    … …

    I mean, not that it’s an ironclad guarantee to work, but at least it’s a healthy serving of eggs to stick on Republican’s faces.

  • rg9rts

    Lets see if turkey wattles holds up his end of the bargain..

  • TimResistit

    We’ve been relatively lucky because of past republican/trump incompetence. Minority parties eat shit with a straw, we’re lucky we haven’t had too much up to now.

  • AnnieGetYerFun

    I think I would have panicked a bit less at news of the “deal” if I hadn’t seen Schumer cave after talking tough a few times before.

    Specific examples? I don’t have any right now, because I have been drinking VERY heavily for the past year.

  • Darrell Parfitt

    I remember back in October or something the media was exulting how the Republicans got brutally pummeled and Nancy and Chuck crushed them in the Oval Office by getting Trump to agree to… a short term continuing resolution kicking this exact same DACA can down the road six weeks. Now Chuck is a pathetic asswipe who got rolled by the Republicans by… agreeing to a two week continuing resolution that kicks the DACA can down the road a bit.

    • MC Planck

      The media did a pretty good job of blaming the Democrats for the shutdown and then blaming them for caving to reopen the government.

  • Treehopper1104

    Sure they won’t have CHIP to hold hostage, but there are so many other nice things to get rid of. National parks, Medicare, research funding, arts funding.. the list of things that are clearly wasteful government spending knows no end!

    • Flashman

      Yeah. CHIP and DACA were “bargaining chips” created out of thin air by Republicans, who create cruelty we can only have nightmares about. Next will be turning blue states into toxic waste dumps, hunting season on immigrants and mandatory obesity for pre-schoolers, or something.

  • azeyote

    i grew up with a real distrust of adults – turning kick the can into a sneaky underhanded game to pretend you’re not racist makes a game for kids ugly and cruel –

  • DensityDestiny

    I think that I wouldn’t want to go up against Schumer in critical negotiations. I think he knows what he’s doing and I think this announcement will not sound like winning to Trump:
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/23/chuck-schumer-trump-wall-offer-359156

  • theblackdog

    It’s going to be a very interesting 3 weeks though I don’t appreciate that we’ll be doing this song and dance again on Feb. 8. However, since it means I’ll have the time off, I can just hop on the Metro (when it’s not on fire) and pay a visit to Congress if they can’t get DACA together. Frankly I expect the turtle to renege on his promises so it will be time to hold his feet to the fire.

    • There is no leverage to do that.

      • insolenttomato

        There’s the “Mitch lied and the Republicans are negotiating in bad faith” angle.

        • How did that play out when the tax-cut disaster passed?

          Collins was assured a vote on CSR payments for Obamacare. Did not happen. Corker and Flake promised to not vote for it if it added anything to the deficit. They both did.

          Yet here we are, praising Flake trying to be bipartisan.

          “The GOP lies” is not gaining any new voters. And nothing is getting done because no one else feels the urgency.

          A shutdown is the only thing that conveys that pinch.

          • insolenttomato

            I guess we could throw up our hands and do nothing. That’s an option which worked so well in November. The thing is, there’s no good option here. A shutdown would definitely convey something, but it’s unpredictable what exactly it would convey. Considering that it has a genuine impact on people’s lives (furloughs, etc) it could backfire. Tremendously. As it started to do over the weekend when messaging started to turn against the Democrats.

            Also, I don’t recall fanboying over Jeff Flake so please don’t put words in my mouth.

          • I guess we could throw up our hands and do nothing

            Because the choice between
            1. Did Schumer cave in?
            2. Did Schumer not cave in, and played 3D chess?

            is

            3. “Let’s throw up our hands and do nothing”

            Considering that it has a genuine impact on people’s lives (furloughs, etc) it could backfire. Tremendously. As it started to do over the weekend when messaging started to turn against the Democrats.

            So there should not be a shut down ever. Right?

            Because in three weeks, we’ll have the same quandary.

  • GOP will have better leverage without CHIP. “think of the children” is no longer an option.

    Plus, now that we’ve heard that Schumer offered $18 billion for the wall and was turned down for being too liberal, brace for bigger cave-ins.

    Americans don’t care enough about dreamers to have their gubmint shutdown for protecting them.

    The Democrats can’t do much with 59-60 senators. The Republicans do whatever the fuck they want with 51.

    • Douglas White

      ???????????? How on earth do you figure the GOP will have MORE leverage without CHIP??? Was that a typo? The GOP didn’t REALLY want CHIP…. they know Dems do… losing it removes LEVERAGE the GOP has over Dems. it was the GOP who kept saying “Dems love immigrants more than our most vulnerable children”…. they have now LOST that talking point.

      …. and to be honest, most Dems would give $18B for the wall to get full permanent-resident status for all DACA immigrants in return…

      …. and FINALLY, why do you think you know how the NEXT vote for funding will go? You spend too much time listening to people who make money by blurting out controversial guesses about the future. Schumer was faced with the following choice “Keep government shut down NOW or Get CHIP immediately, and then shut down government again in 3 weeks to see WHAT ELSE you can get.” Not sure how anyone sees the second choice as being a ‘cave in’. The Dems gave up nothing in this move.

      • CHIP affects 9 million kids. DACA only 800,000 people. People will pay attention if “the children” are the hostages, but not when it is dreamers.

        Refusing to grant status to dreamers may be unpopular, but it is not a dealbreaker for their voters. Just like background checks are supported by 90% of the population, but if the GOP rejects any legislation, the part of the 90% that vote GOP, don’t care all that much.

        Several polls show that a small majority or plurality of the people do not want the gubmint to be shut down for the dreamers. Yes, the same polls show 85% want dreamers to not be deported, but the gubmint not shut down.

        So far, every time the GOP brought up “Dems want to shut down gubmint for illegals” there was a counter: “Not just the dreamers, but kids whose health has not been funded since September”

        Now all they have is a Mitch promise to have a vote on a bill with unlimited amendments. Enough to have poison pills introduced. So that even if it passes the Senate, Meadows, Jordan and ultimately Ryan-Drumpf will scuttle it.

        It is NOT in the interest of the GOP to do anything for the dreamers that is meaningful.

        • insolenttomato

          Which is why we crank up the pressure on our elected representatives on DACA between now and February.

          • Seriously, how much cranking up is needed? Schumer agreed to funding $18 billion for the wall, and was rejected because it was too “liberal.”

          • insolenttomato

            More. Because that’s how representative democracy is needed. Not just for Schumer and the like but McConnell, et al. McConnell in particular needs to know that we heard his promise and will notice if he negotiates in bad faith.

          • Needing representative democracy means shit unless you can win elections and then do what you are supposed to: use the mandate.

            It is fucking nuts to assume that a public revelation that Mitch is a fucking weasel is some sort of a prize.

            EVERYBODY knows it already.

          • insolenttomato

            The thing is, Democrats don’t have a mandate because they don’t have Congress or the Presidency. They also didn’t win because nobody fucking voted. Also, I think you might be overestimating how widely known McConnell’s weasel-dom is. Frankly, it only seems that people are beginning to catch on.

          • When they had a mandate, and 59-60 Senators, they handcuffed themselves with norms and the filibuster.

            The GOP does wonders with 51, 52 senators.

            “Nobody fucking voted’

            yeah, many do not see why they should. their lives are comfy given what little they get by voting for such spinelessness.

            Hey, I’ll vote for ANYONE over a Republican, but until that is the final choice, there should be efforts to get better Democrats.

          • ChumpsForTrump

            Agreed.. but the way to do that is to get involved with the party yourself, vote in the primaries, take the time to find out who all the candidates will be and what they’re about, and be active outside of election season.

            The last thing we need is for good people to get disillusioned and stand by while the country gets sold out again. Don’t sit around and whine that the Democrats aren’t up to your standards (not saying that you are – I just mean that generally).. do something to help them get better!

          • I vote in the primaries. I campaign for candidates who are willing to NOT be Republican or Republican-lite. I help people register, and I contribute to campaigns like Jones in AL. Granted, I am more involved in local politics than state-wide or national, but it is not the lack of participation or effort with my limited resources.

            And I will vote for Schumer every day over someone like a Collins even.

            ButI will still call out the spineless of the Dems. It is repetitive and entirely too predictable. There is zero reason to cut it any slack by looking for the most positive spin on things. They are limited, I get that. But 49 votes is way more than then 40/41 Republicans had in 2009/2010, or the 45/47 they had for the next two years, and they still managed to stop the WH agenda.

            Dems should be able to do at least something similar. They confirm fucks like Haley 90-6!!!

          • MC Planck

            Yes, Obama and the Democrats handcuffed themselves with norms. This is because they were less interested in victory than in preserving the republic.

            Obama wanted there to still be a democracy when he left, even if it was corrupted and inequal. And all he got for his patriotism was a bunch of Leftists questioning his integrity and courage.

          • Obama was fine. Pelosi was fine. But for those two, we would not have an ACA.

            It is the ones who would not campaign on the ACA (like Allison Lundergan Grimes) and the spineless ones that buggered this

          • stablegeniusahughes798

            I agree that we definitely need better Democrats. Democrats from the Democratic wing of the Democratic party.

          • stablegeniusahughes798

            I thought it was $1.8 billion?

    • 59-60 Senators is a heck of a lot of Senators.

      • Insufficient to ACA without resorting to reconciliation
        And insufficient to overcome a veto

  • Bitter Scribe

    I’ve said this before but can’t help repeating myself: Only Republicans would force a choice between providing health care for sick children and subjecting other children to the constant threat of being thrown out of the country at any moment–and claim the moral high ground.

    • Impatient

      Correction of logic: “Moral high ground” is inherent in being “Republican.” All else follows after that.

  • Douglas White

    I absolutely do NOT understand all the crazy hand-wringing by the far left. I keep asking this ONE question (which somehow they have ignored):

    What did Dems ‘give up’ in this deal?

    3 weeks of government funding?

    IS THAT ALL???????? The way the crazies have been reacting, you would think we gave billions for the wall, or agreed to let Trump nominate a 10th SCOTUS judge or something!!!

    They gave up NOTHING of substance. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

    So PLEASE…. if you have some crystal-ball based opinion on how the NEXT vote is going to go, please make sure you MENTION that it’s a guess…. and not actual fact. As of this moment, the Dems can STILL shut down the government to get DACA…. and in the meantime, they got CHIP, and the GOP LOST CHIP as a negotiation piece… and it cost………… guess what……… wait for it…………..
    nothing.

    • TootsStansbury

      It’s Russian trolls.

      • King Beauregard

        Wait, my sister is a Russian troll … ?

        A lot of the Left has simply gone stupid.

        • ChumpsForTrump

          Russian trolls are very effective at playing both sides in order to sow division (in addition to favoring one side when it suits them). The goal is for the USA to be weakened any way possible.

          For example, in 2016, they also set up web sites that posed as being affiliated with the BLM movement, but made them just a little too extreme. They’ll also pose as the most hateful trumpkins they can, in order to get liberals up in arms.

    • ryp

      This is what happens when you raise a generation on Star Wars. Surely there is a way for a band of plucky outnumbered rebels to destroy the death star if they just hold together long enough.

      • ltmcdies

        then bitch and moan about the plot

      • M.E. Lawrence

        And want it enough. And believe in Their Dreams enough.

  • TootsStansbury

    That gif. He really is a sociopath, isn’t he.

  • Lordpnut

    That was the rootenest, shootinest analysis I’ve seen all day…but if them sumbitches do that just a ONE MORE TIME, I ain’t a’goin after it.

  • JBenningfield

    And still, House Republicans are the drunk kids at the other end of the hall.

  • Petunia Cat

    Thank you five dollar feminist! Wonkette isn’t just entertaining it’s useful! What a labyrinthine thing. I’m glad I don’t have to try to operate in it.

    Should the dreamers not all emigrate to Canada? I realize this is just a notion that popped up in my head next to daydreams about flying cats and a house with legs that walks to where there’s a nice view, but should they?

    • javadavis

      They really shouldn’t have to, but I wonder the same thing, and not just about dreamers.
      OTOH – if your yard is on fire, should you just run away? At what point is the conflagration so far out of hand that running away is all that is left to do?

      • Cat Cafe

        That’s exactly the question. People always ask why didn’t the Jews all get out of Germany, but the situation looked like this, and was never crystal clear until it was too late.

        • AuntyMaude

          People who could afford to leave did leave.

          • Cat Cafe

            Not everyone. Many people felt “but of course, we’re Germans, Papa was decorated in WW1/I’m a well-respected Dr./” and also, it got harder and harder (bank accounts frozen, visas denied… a visa to the U.S. became almost impossible to get, etc). My point is also, though, if you look around at your life, how you’re established in it, with your friends and family and your house and your neighborhood, it’s really, really hard to make the decision “That’s it, we’re totally uprooting and going to a country where we don’t speak the language and we’ll be completely poor.”

          • AuntyMaude

            Yeah, you’re absolutely right.

    • chezmoi

      Baba Yaga house winz. It could even walk to Canada.

      http://www.babayagaplace.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Baba-Yaga1.jpg

      • Petunia Cat

        Exactly! Yummo!
        👣 👣👣👣 🏠

  • khanurik

    Comparing McConnel to “scheming varmints” is doing a grave disservice to the scheming-varmint community…

  • javadavis

    Yertlesplore – that’s coinage we can count on.
    Have a much more pleasant turtlehead.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8afa28c97b5d4303d145d318071e666ab84d80765a7f4cea44e1cd4f8558ac76.jpg

    • chezmoi

      Thanks – much needed relief.

      Reminds me a bit of the Physostegia that grows in my garden. Interesting that they are not at all related.

      • stablegeniusahughes798

        I like Chelone. I’ve got the alba and the rubra. Friends don’t let friends plant Physostegia! It goes bonkers.

        • chezmoi

          Really? Whereabouts do you live? Maybe it’s a warmer climate than here; It spreads a little, but nothing like asters or Japanese anemones.

          • stablegeniusahughes798

            I live in NE Illinoise. It just went rampant on me. So, I finally got it out of the one garden bed, and put it in my mini-prairie where it got more competition, and now it behaves itself.

          • chezmoi

            Ah, yes, mine competes with irises and the asters and a Choisya bush. And itself.

      • javadavis

        Had to look that up. It looks kind of like a perkier version of Foxglove.

        • chezmoi

          The flowers are much smaller, though, and as noted below, it does spread. I love Digitalis, especially the perennial D. Lutea, which forms tidy clumps.

  • CindyinEncinitas

    Take his keys to the Twitter machine away and he will do anything to get them back.

  • HarryButtle

    I think this overlooks the fact that most Americans don’t want government shut down over “a few brown kids who don’t really belong here, anyway.” When CHIP was on the table, people paid attention. DACA? Not so much.

    So we’re gonna shut down the government AGAIN in just three weeks? The government shutdown is going to start looking like political theater and the Dems are the ones who’ll catch shit for it. Bank on it.

    And nobody cares when Mitch McConnell lies. I don’t think this is the slam-dunk you think it is.

    • bettycat

      Sadly I have to agree with your first paragraph. Not so sure about your crystal ball on the next go around, but then I guess we’ll see.

    • except….70% of Americans are behind letting the DREAMERs stay.
      They serve, they school, they pay taxes, etc etc etc. 70%. I cannot name anything else that 70% of this country agrees with.

      • HarryButtle

        I think somewhere around 90% favor minimally stronger gun control regulations, we can’t even get universal background checks passed.

        Hey, I hope I’m wrong. But how much did Mitch McConnell pay for obstructing the appointment of a Supreme Court Justice? If he got away with that, he’ll get away with anything.

    • chezmoi

      ‘Most Americans’ don’t have much say in what is going on in this particular arm-wrestling match. When did GOPers ever listen to their constituents?

  • Zyxomma

    Unfortunately, the rest of us are stuck with the decision of the non-voters and Trump voters. Thanks for nothing, deplorable and apathetic assholes. And yes, I include Younger Sister, who stayed home (in PA!!) “because I couldn’t vote for a murderer.” Think the Russian bots got to her? I do.

    • omegaman

      They’re apathetic because of decisions like this. This article makes a lousy case for the Dems weakness. If you want people to engage in the fight, you have to have fight in you. Trump is a bigoted maniac, but he’s strong. Strength matters and so do the optics. The stink of blue dog is poison to the party. Hillary was a pathetic candidate who lost twice for the same reason, hubris. All the excuses are bs. She felt entitled and was so sure she’d win both times. She was coasting near the end.

      • This article makes a lousy case for the Dems weakness

        Like…how they do not control a single part of the federal government and therefore really can’t do much of anything at all?

      • Michael Dorsey

        My dear friend, you sound like you will be happier as a Republican. Not everything in life is fighting and power and rah rah rah. The long game always wins in the end, that’s why it’s called the long game. Confucius is no weakling.

  • MC Planck

    Agreed. We saw this all the time with Obama, too. Every time he would push his chips in the center and call the Republican’s bluff, the Left would freak out. “He’s gonna lose all our money! He WANTS to lose!”

    And every time the Republicans folded. And Obama got more than anybody in his position could have hoped for.

    And the Left never, ever learned.

  • And did you catch this little bit of maneuvering that Schumer and the Dems did?

    http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/lawrence-with-i-object-mcconnell-owns-shutdown-s-worst-harms-1143240771644

    McTurtle, you’ve been PWNED!

  • Daniel Nee

    So do we maby start telling everyone that where realy realy scared that the great orange god will pass comprehensive immigration reform. Oh no all the Mexicans will now be clients of trump! We will have no Choice but to stop making fun of his stability and brilliance!!! Also !!! Blind IO have mercy!

    Yes? No?

    Anyway better then the “I take myself hostage” plan. I never got it when the republicans did it to Obama what’s the end game realy. Get on the tv and talk shit?? Bah

    Publish a budget that has enough gop backing to pass name name dare those fuckers to keep playing grab ass with the well-being of the republic

  • Maybe

    I fervently hope that DACA passes soon.

    If not, I wonder if the Repubs have realized that if it doesn’t pass then the media will happily spend this election year showing how Repubs are arresting and deporting DACA teachers, doctors, military personnel, etc. Given that 80+% of Americans support DACA, that may not be a good optic for the Repubs.

  • Lord Berkley

    I don’t understand the far left’s howling. What did they think would happen if the Dems didn’t strike the best deal they could get? Were they expecting the Rethuglicans to suddenly give in to all their demands? As the Tipper said (I think), “Politics is the art of the possible.” Or was it the “arse of the possible.” Doesn’t matter. You get the point. Right?

    • I am honestly shocked the left is howling about this. The Dems control NO PART OF GOVERNMENT. That they got CHIP is amazing.
      That they got a very public on all the TV station promise is also amazing.
      That GOPers were tripping over their own dicks to say on TV over and over how Turtle is trustworthy is amazing.
      Considering again Dems control no part of government, they did pretty damn good

      • Sakonyachen

        I will speak on behalf of the far left when I say that they didn’t start a futuristic uptopia on day one. Even then some of my brethren would still say the Dems caved. Extremists tend to be a bit extreme. Myself, I recognize that government is tougher than just pounding your fists until you get your way, and that maybe, just maybe, 6M kids getting healthcare for 6 years only needs one more six to send the fundies into a rapture breakdown. Win! Win!

  • It is worthwhile to read about the career of Nathanael Greene in the Revolutionary War. After a succession of awful commanders in the South, Washington appointed him as the commander of all forces from Delaware on south – essentially, second in command to Washington. American forces in that part of the Colonies (the Carolinas, mostly) were weak, badly equipped, and outnumbered by the British. Greene’s strategy was to divide his forces, forcing the Brits to divide theirs, and then constantly harass and annoy them. Greene never won a single pitched battle against the British – but his constant attacks forced the Brits to pay a heavy price for each of their victories. Eventually, the British under Cornwallis gave up and retreated to Virginia, leaving Greene in charge. And we all know how the war turned out.

    I suspect Schumer is trying something similar.

  • Jonathan Flora

    CHIP received funding and McConnell very publicly supported a DACA fix, hopefully in the interim Dems can chip away at other terrible ideas and avert a clusterfrack in a few weeks.

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  • chezmoi

    I rather liked this bit of byplay orchestrated by Schumer. Does not make the Yertle look good.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIerYs7DFrM

  • Dot L.

    Why isn’t anyone talking about the worst part of this CR Bill?

  • Jay Hansen

    Chuck Schumer is a corporate Democrat. THAT is enough asshole cowardice for anyone.

  • Sharon Cooper

    I suspect Schumer plays chess. I bet he wins a lot too.

  • arrrghle

    “Well, then we’re back to where we were yesterday, facing another shut down. Except the GOP only has ONE hostage, McConnell looks like a liar, and it’s a lot harder for them to blame the mean Democrats. Also, too, nine million kids have health insurance!”

    THIS THIS THIS

    You gotta play the game the way it plays.

  • Jessica Dick

    chuck schumer is pure garbage in the same way shoenkopf is a queer hating hambeast.

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