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Harper’s Magazine, that venerable 100-year-old publisher of John Steinbeck, Sylvia Plath, Robert Frost, is planning on publishing an article in its March issue that will, reportedly, out the woman who created the Shitty Men in Media List.

The piece is to be written by Katie Roiphe, a woman who has made an entire career out of claiming that women’s efforts to make themselves safer are a dastardly plot to ruin her sex life.

To what end? What possible public interest could this serve? Perhaps it would be one thing if the list’s creator were the one who put down every name on the list herself. But she wasn’t. She simply provided a tool for women to let other women know (anonymously) which men in their industry they’d been sexually harassed or even assaulted by. Public scrutiny, even if it turned out she was somehow literally the worst human who ever walked the earth, would not matter in this case. It would not mean that the men named on the list by women who were not her could be considered “innocent.” That would make no sense.

Publishing her name will only lead to this woman being harassed and possibly stalked by asshole misogynists and possibly having her career ruined. That’s it. But that’s probably what Katie Roiphe is going for here.

In 1991, Roiphe first boldly declared in the New York Times that date rape wasn’t real and that feminists were only concerned about it because they were puritans who wanted to ruin all the sex. In 1993, she wrote pretty much the same article, with a lot of “Ew, Take Back The Night? NO THANKS” peppered in. Then she wrote a book about it. Then, in 2012, she wrote a whole thing for Newsweek about how women love “50 Shades of Grey” but the mean feminists won’t let them do S&M, which was not at all true. I assure you, if there were a grand feminist conspiracy meant to deprive Katie Roiphe or any other woman of being consensually spanked, I would know about it.

Roiphe has been writing the exact same article for nigh on 25 years. I do not only not need to read her take on the Shitty Media Men list, I could write it myself if I were so inclined. It will be all about how the bad feminists are cruelly suppressing male sexuality and oh what a horrible puritanical world it will be when writers and editors can not “flirt” with their co-workers. Probably there will be some mention of Henry Miller. People will read it so they can go “Oh man, did you see the garbage Katie Roiphe wrote in Harper’s?”

Or at least that’s how it’s supposed to go. Yesterday, upon confirmation of the article and what it intends to reveal, writer Nicole Cliffe, co-founder of The Toast, offered to pay any writer whose work is appearing in the March issue of Harper’s whatever they were getting for it if they pulled it.

Following that, editors from across the country volunteered to publish the articles themselves, and many others vowed to cancel their subscriptions. If it all works out, Harper’s will have either a very thin issue with just one Katie Roiphe article in it, or a full issue with all the articles in it — but with the name of the woman who created the list not included. No one is asking that the entire article be pulled, just the woman’s name, because there is no reason to risk her life, safety, career or well-being (as well as Harper’s reputation), for whatever they think they might get out of revealing her identity.

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  • Cousin Itt, hoi polloi

    Back in the day, I subscribed to Harper’s and received a good education on how our country was being bought and sold. Then, Harper’s changed and became stale. Now, I read Wonkette and TPM.

    • goonemeritus

      Back in the day I read a Clancy novel or two and then I grew up and stopped being 13 years old.

      • Like Really Smart Radio

        I liked Gone With the Wind when I was eleven.

        • goonemeritus

          I just watched the Carol Burnet adaptation.

      • Wonky “TransgenderFetus” McGoo

        I liked Ayn Rand’s Anthem. In eighth grade.

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      How were their dick jokes compared to Wonkette?

      • goonemeritus

        Tedious and derivative.

        • RickyG

          Circumscribed, also too.

      • Cousin Itt, hoi polloi

        Would not stand up to close examination.

      • Like Really Smart Radio

        Neither meaty nor girthy.

      • SDGeoff3

        The ones in the front were full of statistics.

      • Michael Smith

        Hard to take.

      • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

        A bit limp.

      • RickyG

        Very stiff. And not in that good way. :(

      • Toomush_Inferesistance

        Flaccid…

      • Red Richmond

        Definitely come up short.

      • Skeptical_thinker

        Haper’s dick jokes are definitely not dripping with snark.

    • RickyG

      I used to love reading Harper’s and the Atlantic. And I don’t mind having my assumptions challenged. But it seems like they both have slipped a little bit into “Slate-pitch Contrarianism” mode, & for no good reason.

      • SweetDeeKat

        I read both, although Harpers somewhat less. They used to be the only decent news outlets outside the mainstream for decades. I realized I don’t read them as much due to improvement in online news, Wonkette included. I’m loath to quit, though.

    • Gayer Than Thou

      I once read Harper’s, too, but now I read PornHub.

  • Parakeetist

    They are trying to get somebody killed.

    Will Roiphe pay for the funeral?

    • Bigly smart jesterpunk

      Nope, they will just blame feminists for it because reasons.

      • Latverian Diplomat

        She shouldn’t have made all those men mad…

        :-(

  • Timothy Watson

    Over/under 5 editors working for Harper’s being on this list?

  • Jenny

    I’m sure all the shitty men in your office and your life think you’re great, Katie. Really. You don’t have to keep proving to them how great you are by shitting on everyone else. That’s so thirteen.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    At a time when left wing journalism has plenty of opportunities for good, valuable reporting, why does Harper’s publish shit like this?

    Also, am I imagining it, or is this part of a broader problem? The Nation has also gone a bit nuts with Russia denialism, I’ve heard.

  • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler
    • wait! what?

      Duh, Tom. She’s not “outing” anyone; she’s doxing them.

  • MynameisBlarney
    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      Someone is going to have to pull the “are you currently on fire, a.k.a. engulfed in flames?”

      If he answers, “Yes a giant inferno, the hugest and brightest”, he gets a Big Mac, Diet Coke and a nap.

      • theCryptofishist

        So, you think he knows the word “inferno” well enough to cogently use it spontaneously?

      • MynameisBlarney

        They should start lacing his diet cokes with sugar.

    • eyelashviper

      But the worst part was the idiot pundits who were falling all over themselves to show how “presidential” he was…egad, they are worser than the Trumpanzees with no teeth and one functioning brain neuron.

  • MynameisBlarney

    ON topic, what the hell is her problem?

    • elviouslyqueer

      It might be easier and shorter to ask “What isn’t her problem?”

    • Latverian Diplomat

      The part of her brain that would normally provide a conscience were re-purposed to help meet the overwhelming demands of her motivated reasoning.

      • Lascauxcaveman

        It’s dumber than that. She thinks she’s “one of the guys.” She desperately wants this to be true, for some reason.

        • Marceline

          Yep. It’s the “cool girl” syndrome turned up to 11.

          • alpacapunchbowl

            Roiphe rage.
            It’s almost sad, because in my real-world social life I can hang out with “the guys” and be the “cool girl” and still be respected. Hell, I’m even very open about what being a feminist means to me.
            But I’m also not an asshole who’s desperate for the acceptance and embrace of men who will never respect me. At this point, she must have made enough money writing this trash to get some good therapy.

    • Ellie

      I always thought it was self hatred and penis envy (one of the very few cases).

      • Vienna Woods

        I only envy the possessors of penises whilst hiking

        • Arolpin

          That’s when I regret having a penis. Hiking leads to chaffing, especially if it’s hot and dusty out. It does make it easier to pee, but I’ve known women who learned to pee standing, while I’ve never known a man to be able to detach his wedding tackle to alleviate chaffing.
          Or are you saying that you ENJOY the possessors of penises whilst hiking (behind them)?

          • Vienna Woods

            Oh God, I never thought of that. Ok, no penis envy ever!

        • coozledad

          My wife learned to piss standing up. She’s by no means the greatest aim in the world, but respectable.

        • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

          Get a she-wee, my bicycling girlfriend loves hers.
          https://www.shewee.com/

          • Vienna Woods

            Tried it, meh.

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            Oh too bad. Not my thing either.

      • tza

        I honestly wonder sometimes if penis envy is a real thing. Not the Freudian version, of course, but there are definite women who hate other women for being women and spurn all kinds of femininity (minus kinds they personally like or find useful) and attempts at helping women while also envying men, but in a weird “if I had that kind of power” way (and they’re likely to disparage men who aren’t behaving as they “should” either, usually less masculine ones). It’s sort of a fetishization of masculinity and its power and how they wish that imagined version applied to them, so when people challenge actual male power it threatens their fantasy and they get pissy.

    • Marion in Savannah

      Well, she went to Brearley. (Former Spence girl here. Spence and Brearley were mortal enemies when I graduated, back in the early 60s.)

    • tza

      I’m guessing the same as the hundred French Women who made an anti Me Too letter. Aka the ones who think the best way to appeal to men is to hate on feminists.

    • coozledad

      Short of cash. But she knows where there’s more.

      You can always get money sucking up to the kind of shits who enjoy Duke Lacrosse player fanfic. There are whole genres devoted to salving bruised male egos.
      There’s probably a section in the Writer’s Market. It’s in the basement with people who write Nice Republican stories.

  • Bemused Tralfamadorian

    Thank you Robyn, for all of the awfulness you process and precis for the benefit of the rest of us.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    Harper’s — “when it comes to feminism, we like a good #slatepitch as much as anybody, apparently.

    “Next month, The Duggars on parenting.”

  • Carpe Vagenda

    Roiphe probably felt as if she needed to escalate since the Times found a younger troll asshole to write the “consensual sex is boring for me because I know only people I secretly want to fuck won’t take no for an answer” OpEd last week.

    • LeftyProud

      Oh gawd, I read that link! She is horrible.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        She apparently has mental health issues (she went through a period of writing about her depression and her mom stuff), but this seems more like a marketing blitz than pathology.

    • Marion in Savannah

      I’m. Dying. Here! Good gawd — that idiot bitch’s last name is [snort, giggle] Merkin. AKA a pubic wig.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkin

      • tza

        I feel you may appreciate this page of my favorite superheroine webcomic. For the lulz.

  • Trump’s Potemkin Village

    “It will be all about how the bad feminists are cruelly suppressing male sexuality”

    Well in that case, the MRAs, PUAs, InCels and other misogynist floatsam and jetsam will be all over the article, singing it’s high praises!

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      And we all know the revenue Harper’s gets from Axe Body Spray…

  • Ellie

    I remember Roiphe. Did not know she was still a thing Apparently, she hasn’t changed much in the last couple of decades. Once a pos, always a pos, I guess.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Old conservatives never die, they just move on to a new “think tank”.

    • LeftyProud

      I remember reading that article in 1991 and being so enraged. He argument was “Well, no one told me about being date raped! So it does not exist!” She sucks.

      • LeftyProud

        Ah. I just looked it up, it was the 1993 article that claimed date rape did not exist because she had no anecdotal evidence. But she still sucked in 1991. I stand by that.

  • wait! what?

    Maybe Katie just hates her mom.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Roiphe

    • MynameisBlarney

      Yeah, wow.
      Probably somethin’ to that theory.

  • goonemeritus

    I always ask myself, who would Gandhi Dox so to date I can only justify Doxxing Louis Mountbatten

    • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

      Yeah, but Mountbatten was a tosser so it’s okay.

      • Grumpy Twat

        And the teenage boys and the 83 year old woman who were murdered alongside him?

    • Blanche de Shambles

      I think Mountbatten already got pretty heavily doxxed back when the IRA doxxed his ass halfway across the North Atlantic.

      • Vienna Woods

        I was in London when that happened. I can still see the headlines

  • WotsAllThisThen

    Pull the article. I admit it. I created it. Dox me instead. I AM DOXICUS!!

    • MynameisBlarney

      I’m DOXXICUS!!!

      • Shan

        So is my wife!

        • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

          Mr. and Mrs. Doxicus?

        • Bemused Tralfamadorian

          You married DOXXICUS?!?! Monstrous!

      • Bemused Tralfamadorian

        Ermagerd!

  • Michael R
    • OutOfOrbit

      me not sure “sentient” is the right word

    • MynameisBlarney

      Sentient?

      Ya…jury’s still out on that one, Seth.

      • SDGeoff3

        I was going to say…

    • Marion in Savannah

      Butter libelz. We like butter. I cook with butter. This is enough to put one off butter forever.

      • MynameisBlarney

        Margarine.
        He’s a golem made of margarine.

        • Marion in Savannah

          Yes! Thank you. Now I’ll be able to put some butter on my English muffin tomorrow morning.

          • MynameisBlarney

            I’m just here to help.

        • SweetDeeKat

          I’m thinking lard. Easier to sculpt, closer to skin tone.

          • MynameisBlarney

            Similar aroma.

        • coozledad

          The corpse of Joe McCarthy, preserved in discarded crankcase oil.

  • Empress of the Iguana People

    No one deserves to be doxxed, not even that alex j0nes character, may a rash spread across his body like a red tide.

    • MynameisBlarney

      May the fleas of 1000 camels infest his armpits.

      • Marion in Savannah

        Only 1000 camels? Those are some big, hairy armpits. I’m thinking we’d do better with the fleas of 10,000 camels.

        • MynameisBlarney

          Easy now, we need those other fleas for all the other fucktards in the WH.

          • Marion in Savannah

            Here, lemme ask my cats… Not to worry. They tell me that there are ALWAYS plenty of fleas. Which is why I have to invest in ever-so-pricy flea collars, because they’ve become resistant to the drops and “regular” flea collars. I could prolly get you, oh, about a bazillion fleas by next week.

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        Syphilitic camels.

  • Marion in Savannah

    I used to subscribe to Harpers. I can’t even remember what it was that so pissed me off all those years ago when I cancelled my subscription… But this idiocy seems to be an even worse progression of whatever it was. I hope that every woman and all the men who love them cancel their subscriptions. Jesus…

  • Bigly smart jesterpunk

    I bet she is one of the people who also says “Well why don’t women come forward when the harassment or abuse happens”. This right here is why, because people have to make sure their names are published and they get attacked by the right or get death threats or have their careers ruined.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      How about that woman whose house was burned down in Alabama for coming forward about Roy “candy little girl?” Moore?

  • OrG Unstable Genius

    She sounds like a republican.

  • Beowoof14

    Endangering someone’s career is bad, but with all of the right wing nut jobs out there today who are not afraid to come out of whatever hole they’ve been hiding in, this endangers the list writers life. That is despicable.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    Ann Coulter without the style. If you can imagine.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Mind. Blown.

  • proudgrampa

    I’m sure glad I don’t have a subscription to Harper’s.

  • Edith Prickly, Stable Genius

    Katie Roiphe??? Jeez, was Elizabeth Wurtzel too busy shopping for expensive lip balm or something?

    • Carpe Vagenda

      She’s probably joined Camille Paglia and Caitlin Flanagan in a home for middle-aged female rape apologists who were marginalized by male rape apologists being creeped out by woman over thirty five talking about sex.

      • Shan

        Over 35…? Dang, I didn’t even really get into it until after that.

        • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

          Yes, women are definitely better after 35. Partly because you know who you are, and what you like, and are not afraid to ask for it.

  • Bigly smart jesterpunk

    Harpers shouldn’t even be considering publishing this article, they are focusing on the wrong thing here and it is just another garbage publication with a garbage writer and publisher.

  • Bill D. Burger

    More background on Katie Roiphe

    [From The Archive
    Jennifer Gonnerman
    No. 6 December 1994
    The Selling of Katie Roiphe

    It was the beginning of the nineties and the New York Times needed a woman. Not just any woman, though. It needed a smart and sassy one. Someone who could buttress the paper’s sagging image. Someone who could catapult the Times to the forefront of the sexual politics debate. Someone who could put a young, fresh face on the Gray Lady’s old-fashioned views.

    So it created her.

    Katie Roiphe, 25, could not have asked for a better public relations agent. When her first book, The Morning After: Sex, Fear and Feminism on Campus, came out in September 1993, she received more media attention than most writers get in a lifetime.
    ________________________________________________________
    After receiving far more than her fifteen minutes of fame, Roiphe has all but drifted into obscurity. Minimal fanfare greeted the recent publication of her paperback and, for at least the moment, the date rape debate has been put on the media’s back burner. Now Roiphe herself is left wondering exactly what happened and why. In the new introduction to The Morning After paperback, she writes, “I don’t think there is … in the pages of this book, anything worthy of the fury it inspired.”]

    Too bad she didn’t continue the obscurity into which she sank. Boo to Harpers.

    https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-selling-of-katie-roiphe

    • Carpe Vagenda

      What they’re kind enough not to mention (but I’m not) is that they hired her because her mom, Anne Roiphe, was an actual talented feminist writer.

    • Katamount

      Thanks for the link! Fascinating how circular these debates have been. Same shit, different decade.

  • Bill D. Burger
    • Carpe Vagenda

      That thread got assholes wishing gang rape on them almost immediately,

      • ((( Augustus )))

        what happens if those assholes have gang rape wished upon them

        …is that cool with them?

        if they’re good wishing it on others, they must be good with it being wished upon them, right?

      • Cool_North

        That thread is at this point women being threatened by creepy bros offended that their brethren made it into a losers database shared between women for protection. It makes you want to inflict the greatest pain by kicking in some nuts, repeatedly.

  • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

    So why is there a picture of Carrot Top heading this r-tickle?

  • cmd resistor

    OT, but Trump just met the Norwegian P.M. and:
    Ahead of their meeting, Trump and Norwegian Prime Minister Erna Solberg invited press into the room for a few quick comments.
    Trump called Norway “a great customer.”
    “We do a lot of business with Norway. And I know you bought some additional military equipment in the form of F 35 and other things. So I congratulate you. We make the best in the world,” Trump said. “And Norway is a great customer and great ally and great friend.”

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      Solberg then said, ” These are not the driods you’re looking for”.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      Oh, for fuck’s sake.

    • Marion in Savannah

      So what happened to the PM of Normay? That was the meeting on his schedule.

      • cmd resistor

        She went on the Normandy Invasion.

    • MynameisBlarney

      What a fucking clueless asshat.
      JFC.

    • Bemused Tralfamadorian

      Christ on a bike. What a fucking mess..

    • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

      Solberg probably thought “Great, the Kronidiot*”

      *Kronidiot – (n.) Norwegian for “leader of the idiots”

      • cmd resistor

        Ha, she could give him a hat with that embroidered on it and he’d think it was some sort of compliment.

    • Robyn Ryan

      What do they need F 35s for?
      End arms deals.

      • Timothy Watson

        The Russians, and they are part of NATO.

    • therblig

      “Now, are you the one that looks like a boot or the one that looks like a spoon? I always forget. Speaking of spoons, did you know I always get two scoops?” – DJT

    • Hobbes’ like, smart Evil Twin

      Everything’s a fucking transaction for this scumbag.

      • cmd resistor

        You can be my friend if you buy shit from us, particularly military crap.

    • CaliCheeseSucks
    • Oblios_Cap

      Genius, in the way that a only a stable one can do it.

      • cmd resistor

        They will be doing a longer joint press thingy after their “meeting.”

  • disqus_lWwzrwNaw6

    Ugh, Katie Roiphe. I’d almost forgotten. She is kind of the Catherine Deneuve of snotty contrarian journalism, one of the Right Ladies’ Brigade dedicated to persuading the boys that SHE understands them and, by gum, appreciates them, even if THOSE ugly hairy-legged girls out there on the left can’t be bothered.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson
  • Perkniticky

    Damn, and I just resubscribed to Harpers after a long hiatus! Guess that is one article I’ll skip. There’s always at least one in every issue.

  • clubseal

    “It would not mean that the men named on the list by women who were not her could be considered ‘innocent.'”
    Are we at the point where someone anonymously accusing someone else of something online instantly proves guilt? Because that seems to be what this statement is dangerously saying.

    • theCryptofishist

      I think that it’s more like doxxing this woman won’t make the men any less guilty.

      • theCryptofishist

        Or even, “…. those men who are guilty, any less guilty.”

      • clubseal

        We don’t know if they’re guilty or not. You’ve been on the internet before, right? As a forum for women to help each other avoid predatory men in their line of work, I can see the merit. There’s no proof of innocence or guilt in that kind of forum, though.

        • theCryptofishist

          I know we don’t know. I think you know that was not the intent of the statement. You find a way of saying that.

      • clubseal

        But yes, I see that too. Doxxing her is pretty much almost retaliatory, it seems.

  • Very Stable Bozi
    • Marion in Savannah

      AHHHH… The sounds of my (slightly) misspent yoof! Loving it!

      • Very Stable Bozi

        We all should slow down and make the mornin’ last.

        • Marion in Savannah

          And also too and in addition always feel groovy.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          But lookin’ for fun is harder now that I am over 60.

        • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

          But if you’re asking stationary objects like lampposts where they’re going, you should seek professional help. You may actually be having a stroke.

          • Blanche de Shambles

            Or it’s 1965 and that nice Ken Kesey fellow gave you one of his fun sugarcubes.

      • Angela Ruzzo

        I’ve been looking everywhere for my magic carpet and my green tambourine … can’t find them anywhere.

    • Blanche de Shambles

      Dang, they actually managed to make that song more corny and square.

  • MynameisBlarney
    • Thiazin Red

      I always wonder about how things like that came about. Was there an observation of some weird natural event, or did some hooves fall into a pot and they just went with it? Same with swim bladders in beer. How? What did they try before that? Who thought that having clear beer was worth putting fish innards in it?

      • MynameisBlarney

        As for the glue from animal bones and hooves. That’s been around since prolly about the same time humans harnessed fire.
        And no idea about the fish innards in beer thing though.

        • Thiazin Red

          I know its an ancient thing, but it had to happen a first time at some point.

          • MynameisBlarney

            Probably discovered by accident when trying to make hoof and bone soup?

          • therblig

            is that like netflix and chill, but with dancing?

          • MynameisBlarney

            Dancing, and the possibility of 2nd degree burns.

          • Thiazin Red

            Actually that does make sense. If you make stock, and it cools it can turn to a sold gelatin. If someone over reduced a stock, decided to throw it out, and later discovered the result, that could be plausible.

          • coozledad

            “Damn. This spoon is stuck as shit to this pot.

            And I’ve been constipated ever since we ate that stew.”

          • MynameisBlarney

            Petroglyphs were invented because their teeth were glued together.

        • coozledad

          Isinglass. Miller beer is full of it. It’s what gives it that mucousy back.

      • Notreelyhelping

        “First off, let’s take a moment to say so long to Og, a hunter/gatherer’s hunter/gatherer. *beat* Okay. Second, you know those off-white mushrooms with the frilly cup underneath? Don’t eat ‘em.”

      • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

        Silly Putty came about because the chemists were looking for a synthetic alternative to rubber.

        • MynameisBlarney

          I always heard it was a failed attempt at making plastic explosives.

          • Gayer Than Thou

            Early experiment with Flubber.

      • Grumpy Twat

        Or that you could tan leather by soaking it in pools of piss and shit for weeks on end.
        http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Tanning_(leather)

  • Yeah, but have you considered how bad it feels for men to be accused of sexual assault? It didn’t feel bad to them to sexually assault someone, but if felt really bad that someone pointed out that they sexually assaulted someone, so you know… who’s the real victim here?

    • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

      Donald Trump?

    • Bobathonic

      Oooooooh, I get it. Like how much it hurts a NAZI to call them a NAZI. And how hurtful it is to racists, to call them racist.

    • Bill D. Burger

      Reminds me of the scathing satirical Dan Ackroyd skit on the the original SNL where he was a sexual predator who started a help group for other sexual predators: “No one thinks of the damage to our hearing from the screaming and yelling…..not to mention the bruises and scratches wez’ guys get. We have feelins’ too.”

  • Katamount

    There’s a fascinating dichotomy in these condemnations of feminists. I vividly remember this YouTube clip from 2013 (which in retrospect serves as an eerie foreshadowing of events like Gamergate and #MeToo) with a Daily Caller twerp named Patrick Howley: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXxotC9s8Q8

    Near the end of the clip, Matt Binder astutely points out that Howley’s column fretting over ebil Feminazis making it illegal to ogle women was boosted by Rush Limbaugh, the very same Rush Limbaugh that called Sandra Fluke a slut for being sexually active. So feminists are at the same time Puritanical prudes who hate the sexytimes, but also degenerate libertines who slut it up everywhere with the sexytimes.

    It’s almost like the point is that women can’t actually win with these guys and it’s all just a ploy to crush women’s autonomy….

    (The video is 40 minutes long, but it’s well worth the watch. Sam Seder just corners Howley right out the gate and doesn’t let up until the sad sack kid is stammering and just meekly hangs up. The “You weren’t even an ogle in your father’s eye” line in particular is just brilliant.)

  • disqus_lWwzrwNaw6

    I’m assuming they couldn’t get Camille Paglia?

  • Lewis Lapham was the best essayist I had encountered in my early adulthood, and on that strength, I’ve been renewing my Harper’s subscription for thirty years. It’s not great any more, and mostly goes unread, but I feel good still supporting print media and the long-form essay. I’d really like it if they didn’t force me to cancel.

    • buzz

      I agree that it isn’t as wonderful as it once was but I really hope they choose to do the right thing.

  • Bigly smart jesterpunk

    If they do publish this article here is a list of papers, magazines and networks they own.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearst_Communications#Assets

    • Marion in Savannah

      Interesting. I don’t subscribe to or watch or have anything to do with anything that they touch. So I guess that when I canceled my subscription to Harpers, before I ever was on line, there was something about them and their cohort that just made my skin crawl even then.

    • buzz

      Actually not a Hearst publication. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harper%27s_Magazine

      • Bigly smart jesterpunk

        Oh oops, I didnt realize Harpers and Harpers Bazaar where different magazines. Thank you for the correction.

        • buzz

          :)

    • cheetojeebus

      That’s Harper’s Bazaar, an entirely different creature. Harpers is published by the Harpers Magazine Foundation. Oops sorry, I see you’ve already noticed the error.

  • Oblios_Cap

    Why didn’t they just let noted moral scold Ross Douthat write the piece?

  • Thiazin Red

    Is she a relation to the woman who used to write Dear Prudence who thought date rape was just women being drunk hoors?

    • Bigly smart jesterpunk

      Wasn’t that Ann Landers daughter?

    • Marion in Savannah

      Well, when your first name begins with “Prude” what can one expect?

      • Oblios_Cap

        The sun is up, the sky is blue, I’m a prude, and so should you?

    • Wonky “TransgenderFetus” McGoo

      Yoffe! I read an Atlantic piece by her recently where she shed hedging, muddy, shady doubt all over college rape investigations, because that’s definitely something that needs page space right now. ETA: It was all JAQing off about the neurobiology of trauma, and how the “freeze” response to sexual violence isn’t always something that happens, but maybe in some college sexual assault training workshops they might have implied it is, so clearly bitches be crazy liars and feminism is out to criminalize penises. It really, really pissed me off.

  • Indiepalin

    She simply provided a tool

    • Bobathonic

      “Here I am!”

  • Carpe Vagenda
    • ((( Augustus )))

      HOT TAKES

      GET YOUR HOT TAKES HERE

      • Katamount

        Oooh, one please! *takes a bite* Hmmm, could be hotter and saltier….

    • wait! what?

      …and big-screen erotica without a “feminist spin” is labeled how?

      • Carpe Vagenda

        Hey. HEY.

        How are they supposed to be able to make movies out of books with literally hundreds of pages of detailed kink negotiations if bitches are going to be all fussy about consent?

        • wait! what?

          I see your point. Male bitches are rather fussy…

          • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

            The Pegging and Paul’s Peen

      • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

        “A Hallmark Holiday Special”

    • MynameisBlarney
    • Bigly smart jesterpunk

      Will it kill movies like this? I saw it looking through the list of free prime movies and its just like the stuff hallmark and lifetime always play.

      https://www.amazon.com/Good-Dick-Marianna-Palka/dp/B074WLSCD5/ref=sr_1_4?s=instant-video&ie=UTF8&qid=1515614796&sr=1-4&keywords=dick

      A modern fairy tale about a troubled, reclusive young woman and the persistent video clerk who draws her out of her claustrophobic world by starting up a unique courtship with her.

    • Shan

      I’ve never had any sort of interest in the 50 Shades books or movies. Not because I am averse to kink, but because it’s supposed to be consensual, in fact that’s the whole foundation. How “feminist” of me, I guess.

      • MynameisBlarney

        From what I’ve read about that particular book, the author knows fuck all about BDSM and what she wrote was pretty much just torture and rape.

        • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

          Considering it started out as Twilight fanfic, I’m not really shocked.

        • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

          There is an audience for that.

      • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

        Shan you mean I cannot force you to be my dominatrix?

        *sigh* my pin number is 1917

        • Shan

          Ha! That’s not really my scene anyway.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        There is a corner of fanfiction which has some not-terribly-realistic ideas about lifestyle BDSM.

        • Shan

          I only know from friends, all of whom despise 50 Shades as inaccurate at best and dangerous at worst.

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            Yes, it gave many young men a new pick up schtick. And an excuse to be a sadist.

        • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

          Hollywood has really got a lot to do with that. So much of it is anticipation which doesn’t translate to film well.

      • ariel_gee_398

        She read it so you don’t have to: http://jennytrout.com/?p=3208

        • Thiazin Red

          Those are so excellent. I love her recaps.

      • Gayer Than Thou

        Truthfully, I’m as vanilla as a Dairy Queen cone*, but even I can see that Hollywood has a truly fucked-up idea of what kink is like.

        *By which I mean, please delete my browser history when I die.

      • Lorindel Ó Loingsigh

        Also, it’s just plain terrible, non-compelling writing.Additionally, as mentioned by Blarney, yeah. Pretty much torture and rape at the hands of a sociopath. Something that I should imagine is right up Rolphe’s alley. Honestly, I never thought I’d see Rolphe dig her way out of the bottom of that soaking, fetid 1990s trash bag of contrarian social commentary.

        • Shan

          She’s still working out her mommy issues.

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        What? you’re not interested in poseurs?

    • A Groucho Marxist

      “Don’t be a rapey, grabby piece of shit” does not equal “people don’t want sex in movies”. How could someone be so oblivious as to draw that conclusion?

      “Even before Weinstein’s epic fall in October, studios had become more wary of sex onscreen, given that China balks at such content”

      Oohh, the studios don’t want anyone to know they’re tailoring their output for China so they’re blaming this bullshit on #MeToo, now I get it.

      • alpacapunchbowl

        Excellent observation.

        • A Groucho Marxist

          Thank you.

      • MynameisBlarney

        Wait…so…we’re self-censoring the sexy times out of our movies for China.
        The same China that pirates the fuck out of our intellectual property?
        THAT CHINA?

        WTF?

        • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

          lol don’t we send movies to Sweden, though?

        • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

          When D’s are in office, the movies have more sex in them. When the R’s are in office more violence.

      • Katamount

        “But Hollywood leading men have to be all Clark Gable in Gone With The Wind, or their masculinity won’t feel as secure! And that’s when the gay rumours start! It’ll be John Travolta all over again!”

      • Carpe Vagenda

        Glenn Thrush got a paid vacation for our sins.

    • Thiazin Red

      There has been plenty of feminist criticism of the series for glamorizing what is a textbook abusive relationship.

      • alpacapunchbowl

        I never read it (but I think I saw the “best” excerpts) and no way no how is there anything in that book that even remotely resembles healthy kink. Power exchange =/= abuse.

      • Gayer Than Thou

        I cannot bear to sit through the trailer for Fifty Shades of Snore, or whatever it’s called, one more time.

        • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

          I have “watched” the movie once…with the sound off…alone…and yes I am ashamed.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        It’s not an unfair read on the original series it’s based on. Twilight is some sick shit.

    • alpacapunchbowl

      And what the fuck is wrong with erotica with a feminist spin anyway?

      • MynameisBlarney

        *shrugs*

        After hours and hours spent…uh…*ahem* researching this, I’ve not found anything yet.

        • alpacapunchbowl

          It’s pretty alright, eh?

          • MynameisBlarney

            Yeah.
            Not bad.

    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      “in the wake of the Harvey Weinstein scandal, studios are steering clear of sex”

      Fine. All the better. A lot of it is just lazy filler that doesn’t advance the story anyway. I watch the Chicago series on NBC, and when the cops/paramedics/doctors/whoever decide to fuck is when I go to the bathroom or make a sandwich. Like, go catch some bad guys or put out a five-alarm fire at a factory. Nobody needs to see you boning in the supply closet or the evidence room. Zzzzzzzz.

  • Belasaurius

    what the fuck is Harper’s thinking?

  • therblig

    i hate judging people by their appearance (lie, of course i do), but she looks like an asshole.

  • lucidamente
    • Carpe Vagenda

      Wow. I was wondering if anyone else remembered when all the GM executives in the Hoover administration got all hubrisy in Vietnam in the sixties.

    • Katamount

      I still remember that cover. It was when I stopped reading Harper’s.

  • Update: The Washington Post says Harper’s ins’t going to publish the name, and maybe Roiphe never intended to? Who can say?, says America’s newspaper of record.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2018/01/10/the-bad-media-men-list-outing-story-has-a-happy-ending/?utm_term=.146d6d5543ac

    • Carpe Vagenda

      And Alyssa Rosenberg has another one about how BEING ANTIDOXXING IS BAD although of course Katie Roiphe would never do such a thing and she’s insulted that you would suggest it.

  • Belasaurius

    I am sure going to save a lot of money by unsubscribing from all these magazines this year.

  • Red Bird

    Men are such delicate creatures that they need all of society to defend their right to force themselves on others. I’m worried what would happen if they had to accept that not everyone has to like them. :(

    • LeighBowery’sLuxuryComedy

      I’m not. Suck it up, chumps.

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Apparently, Roiphe has no problems with slime like Cernovich. Which tells us everything we might possibly need to know about Roiphe.

    • MynameisBlarney

      Cernovich?
      You mean the Magic Spoo Guy?

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Also the Comet Pizza guy. A real piece of work, he is.

        • alpacapunchbowl

          Also too the “no such thing as date rape” guy.

  • alpacapunchbowl

    OT, but not really: Go fuck yourself, Catherine Deneuve. I’ve spent plenty of time in France and not a day went by that I didn’t get accosted by some horny asshole who thought his “persistence”, or “right to pester” as Cathy’s letter calls it was cute and flattering to the pursued woman. I called it totally fucking obnoxious. Also harassment. And the existence and popularity in France of the hashtag #balancetonporc proves that it’s not just me and it’s not just because I’m an American and simply don’t understand the culture.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-harvey-weinstein-france-deneuv/frances-deneuve-denounces-metoo-campaign-for-puritanism-idUSKBN1EY24D?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_content=5a55b1be04d30149039100cf&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

    • Thiazin Red

      Like seriously, it seems to be weirdly insistent on men’s rights to women’s bodies.

      And anyone who makes the argument that people who don’t want to be harassed are anti-sex should fuck off forever.

      • alpacapunchbowl

        A-fucking-men.
        Sex is magnificent and I participate in consensual sex with gusto. GUSTO.

        • MynameisBlarney

          Con MUCHO gusto?

          • alpacapunchbowl

            Sometimes more mucho than others, I admit. An artist needs to be inspired, after all.

    • Manders

      I loved Paris, but:
      – I was “pursued” by the security guard at the youth hostel where I stayed, which was fucking awful.
      – I was joined by two men at lunch one day, one of whom was thoughtful and kind, the other of whom suggested I have an affair with the other (who was married) right in front of me.

      • alpacapunchbowl

        It’s a serious problem! Forget about trying to read a book on the terrasse of a cafe (or anywhere, really) in peace.
        The hostel thing is especially horrible, I’m so sorry you experienced that. I imagine you didn’t feel very safe after that. Ugh. Something similar happened when I was in Strasbourg but the women I ended up hanging out with were badass and we stuck together until we checked out and skedaddled the fuck out of there the next day.

      • Mehmeisterjr

        This is the kind of thing that cast a shadow (and continues to cast a shadow) over my general francophilia.)

        I was especially dismayed when Nadine Marquand, the mother of actress Marie Trintingnant who was beaten to death by a brutal, drunken lover, took up the banner in defense of Roman Polanski.

        This is a cultural disconnect that I have never figured out.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Yeeeaaahh, France somehow is always on the cutting edge of every philosophical trend except for feminism. The routine violations of women’s personal space in everyday French (or at least Parisian) discourse was kind of shocking to me when I visited: you didn’t register interest in a woman by chatting her up, you did it by kissing them straight on the mouth.

      Older ladies like Deneuve basically have a form of Stockholm’s, they’ve been in a denigrating industry so long they’ve internalized it and are surprised when others don’t assent to it.

      • alpacapunchbowl

        Yeah, we are talking about a culture where one will meet many many people, male and female, who would ask in all seriousness “why be a feminist? Pretty women don’t need to be feminists.” I will admit that the way my face scrunched up at that fuckery probably wasn’t too pretty. WAY TO MISS THE POINT, Y’ALL.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/670165d08b970a880445cc4307fad0cf3265249133cbaa76953571912783853c.gif

      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

        Macron and his wife are better feminists. France announced they’re going to levy fines on catcallers; they banned emaciated models from catwalks, and Photoshopped images are going to have truth-in-advertising warnings printed on them in magazines. Brigitte also too recently said that a woman’s place is beside, not behind her husband.

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/03/womans-place-beside-not-behind-husband-says-frances-queen-brigitte/

        • coozledad

          a woman’s place is beside, not behind her husband

          Who’s going to hold my head while I hurl?

      • coozledad

        It’s that mittleeuropa techbro shit. I’ll bet they’re into cigars now.

      • Mehmeisterjr

        I have never understood why Simone de Beauvoir prostrated herself before that cold fish Sartre.

        She was, in my estimation, an infinitely better writer than he was, as well as infinitely better than her other enthusiasm, Nelson Algren

        And both of them were shits on a personal level.

    • Mehmeisterjr

      I’ve been following this story all day and thought it might help if I cleaned up a rather clunky automatic translation of the manifesto in question and surrounding comments. It is still somewhat clumsy but better than it was before. Still, I take the blame for all residual clunk:

      “Rape is a crime. But insistent or clumsy “dragging” is not a crime, nor is gallantry a machismo aggression.” In a joint statement, published in Le Monde, Tuesday, January 9, a collective of 100 women, including actress Catherine Deneuve, laments that following the Weinstein affair,” this release of speech returns today ” in its opposite.

      “But it is the characteristic of Puritanism to borrow, in the name of a so-called general good, the arguments of the protection of women and of their emancipation to better bind them to a status of eternal victims, of poor children. things in the grip of demon phallocrats, as in the good old days of witchcraft, ” write these women.

      #metoo has led a campaign of public denunciations and indictments in the press and on social networks,” they continue. “This expeditious justice already has its victims, men sanctioned in the exercise of their profession, forced to resign, etc., while they were only wrong to have touched one knee, tried to steal a kiss, talking about “intimate” things at a professional dinner or sending sex messages to a woman who was not attracted to them. ”

      “This fever to send ‘pigs to slaughter,’ far from helping women to empower themselves, actually serves the interests of the enemies of sexual freedom, religious extremists, the worst reactionaries and those who believe, in the name of an absolute conception of good and morality … ” adds the collective, which castigates a “purificatory wave” and even “a climate of totalitarian society. ”

      On the contrary, they defend “the indispensable freedom to offend” or even “to annoy” and mock the feminism that “takes on the face of a hatred of men and sexuality.” A woman “can ensure that her salary is equal to that of a man, but not feel traumatized forever by a rub on the subway, even if it is considered a crime. She can even consider it as the expression of great sexual misery, or even as a non-event,” they insist.

      Among the signatories of this forum are the journalist Peggy Sastre, the president of the ETHIC movement Sophie de Menthon, the patroness of Causeur, Elisabeth Lévy, the writer Catherine Millet, the radio host [and former porno star] Brigitte Lahaie, the clinical psychologist and psychoanalyst Sarah Chiche and writer and journalist Abnousse Shalmani.

      “Dragging,” btw, is aggressively persuing a woman in public in an effort to pick her up.

      I have to admit that, waaaaay back when, I found this level of aggression shocking. I was not (and am still not) a woman. But it was completely ordinary for men to catcall women, pinch them on the butt, cop a feel and lift up their skirts in public. And, coming from a town where even construction workers didn’t catcall women, I found it shocking.

      The French, well many of them, tote this up to American Puritanism and that is a big cultural gap.
      I’m certainly not Puritanical (by American standards) but probably still count as a anal-rententive prude in France.

      This particular manifesto unleashed a torrrent of comments from women who had been grabbed, rubbed at, even ejaculated upon, repeatedly, in public. On the Métro, on a bus.

      I have a hunch that the distinguished signatory ladies have an entourage that protects them from such naked aggression. And, as I say, it has been widely accepted since forever.

      And there is another French cultural trait that we don’t encounter as much here (or at least we didn’t until Fox News, MGTOW and Breitbart got going: The French love to get into a nasty public discussion that explodes into a firestorm of public denuniciation. Obvious example: The Dreyfus Case.)

      I think that if Deneuve et al suggested that the sudden change in attitude towards sexual harassment allegations might sometimes go overboard, I might agree, given concrete examples. Nobody wants to empower the next Andrea Dworkin.

      But, as written, this manifesto is what I would call “de caca de taureau.”

      • alpacapunchbowl

        It might help whom? I am fluent in French and found the original to be equally as asinine as the translation. And when I said I’ve spent quite a bit of time in France I don’t mean a week here and there. I am rather familiar with the vagaries of French culture and I am VERY familiar with many Frenchmen’s proclivity to “draguer les femmes”.

        • Mehmeisterjr

          I only thought it might help people trace their way through a dense, foreign language text for which the auto-translate is borderline-poor,

          I don’t begin to claim that i approve of the manifesto, which absolutely I do not. “Caca de taureau” is not a compliment.

          I was attempting to render its asininity into a form that American readers could better understand.

          I probably failed but not by a mile.

  • Shibusa
    • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

      Yes…but I want some. I will google post haste.

    • Thiazin Red

      They need to combine it with those UK special forces underpants with the silver sewn in to prevent stink.

    • SDGeoff3

      Yeah, but after letting a couple loose, people will catch on.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      How frabjous!

  • jesuswasablack

    So it’s OK to publish a list of alleged “abusers” based on un-substantiated allegations but not OK to publish the names of the accusers? Do I have that right?

    • James

      It’s not like people ever passed around lists amongst friends or whatnot of which company or what people to avoid for any reason.

      Women passing around lists of men who allegedly harassed them is not a court of law.

      Doxxing the woman who created such a software tool or women (and maybe men too) who used it solely serves the purpose of flying monkey squads harassing them.

      • jesuswasablack

        “flying monkey squads harassing them”
        Thanks for making my point!

    • James Baskin

      That’s right. So suck it.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Well for one, the bad guy list serves a function: to help women steer clear of potentially dangerous or harmful men. Outing the writer does nothing helpful but exposes the writer to retaliation.

    • Manders

      Oh, did someone publish the list? I must have missed that part.

      • jesuswasablack

        Multiple people are seeing the list right, so at some level it is published?

    • dshwa

      If there were an actionable consequence for being on this list, say being fired from a job, then someone on the list would have the right to contest in court the validity and methods of the list. That wouldn’t necessarily include public disclosure of who’s running the list, but would give someone on the list a venue to confront their accuser(s). But the existence of a list letting women know not to be alone with someone because of a potential danger to them isn’t actionable.

    • Regret

      This would out the writer, not accusers. Not the same thing.

  • rocktonsam

    maybe her sex life would be better if she did something with her hair..
    to soon?

    • MynameisBlarney

      Nothing wrong with her appearance IMHO.
      But her mindset makes her ugly as fuck.

  • James Baskin

    But if this jerk knows the identity of this woman, what is to stop her from making it public in some misogynist piece of shit online? I don’t get it.

    • HazooToo

      There’s nothing to stop her. But Harpers doesn’t have to proudly hand her a pedestal to scream her name from. Basically, people are trying to make it CLEAR, beyond any doubt, that what she’s doing is reprehensible, and call attention to the effects of doxxing on real actual people.

  • JustDon’tSayLikeSmart

    OT: anyone else watching this shitshow of a presser. Trump just cannot keep his mouth shut. “No collusion, no collusion, except the Democratic collusion.

    • JustDon’tSayLikeSmart

      Stupid fucker is still running against Hillary.

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Like I have said before, Donnie is nothing but a fixed set of responses to a fixed set of stimuli. Nothing more. So predictable. So sad. Can’t even pass the Turing Test.

  • Manders

    Does Roiphe like to be consensually spanked, or does she just like the *idea* of liking to be spanked?

    Because anyone actually involved in BDSM knows that consent is essential to a successful relationship, as well as communication and having a full understanding of what goes and what doesn’t.

    • Mehmeisterjr

      What is the Safe Word for the Trump Administration?

      Because I want out. Now!

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        Covfefe

        • Mehmeisterjr

          I tried it. Doesn’t work.

          Tried “bigly”. Same thing.

    • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

      Safe, sane and consensual. Why do they not bother to learn this?

  • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

    I don’t usually take the rude route and comment on people’s appearance(Fuck it, who am I fooling?) But, hey!!! That gal in the pic has a Stephen Miller forehead!

  • coozledad

    I quit reading Harper’s when they went neck deep up Nader’s ass and basically put Thomas Frank in charge. Fuck left-contrarianism. Like libertarians, they just want to smoke dope and avoid taxes.

    Check out books from the library and read them. Harper’s has been a dose of clap since the Bush administration.

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      I was a Harper’s reader for a while but it sort of fell by the wayside once I decided to have a life.

  • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

    Let’s put a little girl power antidote in this place. American Girl announces 2018 Girl of the Year, and she’s an astronaut.

    https://twitter.com/CNN/status/951188168786743298

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      I’ll be in my b…never mind.

      • Rebel Scum with permit

        You’re officially banned from the imaginary American Girl mall

        • Rooster Cogburn105

          And the horse you rode in on!

          • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

            And your Jooo lawyer!

    • SDGeoff3

      Well isn’t she just the little dickens? Hooray!

    • lroom

      My Grand Daughter is so excited about that!

  • James

    I get the impression she is a conservative. (See “date rape isn’t real”)

    I was not impressed by 50 Shades, a novel that never would have passed the company I edit for (bad writing, lack of consent, shopworn tropes)

    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      Not even a better love story than Twilight.

      (it was bad fanfic of the already shitty “sparkly vampire” novel itself)

      • Rebel Scum with permit

        Not only that, but what kind of shitty person do you have to be to exploit fanfic for money? Along with a critique of the books, the blogger discusses the issue of fan fiction vs plagerism.
        http://jennytrout.com/?s=50+Shades

        • The Flaming Carrot

          Salman Rushdie said 50 Shades made the Twilight books look like War and Peace. It’s just such unbelievable bullshit that it’s not really even plagiarism.

      • Mehmeisterjr

        But you will admit that is a better love story than the eventual Trump/Putin bromance account.

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        Really bad.

    • Ms.M.Like,Genius on Maui

      My sister called me at work one morning, madder than hell, telling me not to read it. She goes, You will HATE IT. IT’S TERRIBLE. DON’T READ IT. I didn’t. I figured if she was disgusted enough to make a phone call on her way to work to tell me that, it was good advice.

      • Mehmeisterjr

        But… but… Freedomz of Speeches!

      • Bitter Scribe

        I read a few preview pages of “50 Shades” on Amazon. If they are representative of the entire book, it is the worst book that has ever been written or will ever be written, in this or any other universe.

        The only S&M porn I ever read (well, most of it…OK, a little less than half) was “Story of O.” It was kind of dull. O was just a nobody, with no personality or even humanity, who let her “lover” do all that shit to her for no good reason that I could tell.

        • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

          Same idea, except it was obviously her personal fantasy of some rich guy “rescuing” her with some spanking thrown in. Unlikable heroine, who has to be told to eat.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Never looked at the books, tried a few times to watch the various movies and never made it more than 3 or 4 minutes before becoming so annoyed I had to change the channel.

    • The Wanderer

      I read Justine a couple decades ago. I’ve no need to read 50 Shades, and I readily admit that much of my own SM porn can be weak sauce when compared to de Sade.

    • The Flaming Carrot

      On the other hand, 50 Shades is the source of an excellent drinking game wherein each participant drinks when their respective trope is mentioned. “Inner Goddess” and “oh, my!” are particularly inebriating. There is even a version for unenforceable contractual provisions.

  • Me not sure

    Apropos of nothing…
    http://www.daily-tribune.com/newsx/item/9784-cartersville-woman-uses-drill-to-puncture-boyfriend-s-head
    The battle of the sexes gets real. From my little corner of redneckistan to you.

    • Martini A, very stable genius

      Yeikes!

      • Me not sure

        “Deputies noticed a swollen, bloody, puncture wound to the man’s head.”
        …thus illustrating the importance of Police training.

        • Mehmeisterjr

          That sort of thing could get a tiny bit of a bother.

          • Me not sure

            When their pictures are posted in the local blotter, I’ll give you folks a look.

        • Rooster Cogburn105

          Don’t try that at home, best left to professionals

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Maybe it was just Marathon Man cosplay gone wrong…

      • Me not sure

        It clearly wasn’t safe.

    • Peripatetic Poltroon

      Drill, baby, drill!

  • Martini A, very stable genius

    It’s great in this season of the public holding shitty men accountable, that there are women like this Roiphe person that will bravely stand up and declare “hey, there are shitty women like me out here too!”

    • Shan

      Garbage men can’t exist without garbage women, I guess.

      • Shan

        Typo: CAN’T exist

        • Martini A, very stable genius

          I figgered dats what you meant.

        • Rebel Scum with permit

          Enablers gotta enable.

    • Mehmeisterjr

      The shitty, the proud,
      Will never be un-bowed

  • Mike Minden

    With all the puritanical busy-bodies infesting the body politic, Ms Roiphe targets victims of harrassment as being the problem.

    My head hurts. I’m not even going to try to figure out her logic.

    • Carla Vandermeer

      She is a traitor.

  • Iam Reading

    Roiphe is garbage. Also, all the best sex I ever had occurred with feminists. In fact, I’d rather take care of myself than have sex with a non-feminist.

  • Mentally Stable Ron

    And here’s where I hit my before-dinner limit. See all y’all later tonight. I need to do something to quiet the roiling rage in my stomach.
    I don’t suppose Roiphe could be charged with reckless endangerment, could she?

  • James

    Notice who they didn’t meet with…House Intel Chair Devin Nunes https://t.co/a4IK9I2tFg— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) January 10, 2018

  • Jonny On Maui

    “No! I wrote the Shitty Media Men list!”

    • theblackdog

      Saw that already last night.

  • C4TWOMAN

    Another grifter making a living by being “SHOCKING!” and “OUTRAGEOUS”. Someone should set Roiphe up on a date with Milo Yapssalot. Oh wait, he’s gay.
    What about RooshV? That should be her speed….

    • Carla Vandermeer

      I wouldn’t wish Roosh on my worst enemy.

      • C4TWOMAN

        My enemies are real life Nazis/Holocaust deniers.
        I have zero problem wishing Roosh on them.

        YMMV

  • It’s depressing how lucrative the ‘ladies against women’ gigs are, much like the ‘blacks against African Americans’ gigs.

    • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

      There’s a word for that, token.

  • puredog

    This may have been posted, but Roiphe is denying that she is planning to out the list creator without her consent: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/business/media/a-feminist-twitter-campaign-targets-harpers-magazine-and-katie-roiphe.html

    • theblackdog

      That’s definitely a lie based on what the creator of the list said in her essay today.

  • Bitter Scribe

    She’s a younger version of Camille “Date Rape Is a Beautiful Expression of Explosive Male Sexuality” Paglia.

    • Lordpnut

      And dumber. Paglia had some chops in art and history.

      • amrak63

        Say, you know who else had some chops in art and history?

  • 1PeterG1

    There something ironic about someone worrying about maybe losing her job because they are publishing unsubstantiated and univestigated material that maligns other people. And something awfully hypocritical too. Perhaps someone should offer a public service that allows employers to avoid employing such people in the first place, once they’ve been identified. No need to verify whether they actually did it. Merely saying they are nothing but gossips should be sufficient to get them on the list. See how easy it is to justify being a shitty human being?

    • Carpe Vagenda

      Nah. You, for instance, are doing a crappy job.

    • amrak63
    • Lily412

      Name one instance where someone on that list lost their job with no evidence. Go ahead; we’ll wait.

  • Dianna Deem

    I HATED ’50 Shades!’ I don’t care what the subject is, a business contract is still a business contract and there’s nothing sexy about business contracts. I only read it b/c I didn’t have to pay for it, and you’d have to pay me to read the sequels.

    • Lily412

      Not many people know that the book actually started as Twilight fan fiction. It got so popular that the author changed the names and circumstances so it could be published. It gives fanfic a bad name, in my opinion. #shade

  • arundel

    UPDATE: The creator of the list has pre-emptively outed herself, in a thoughtful and well-written essay at NYMag:

    https://www.thecut.com/2018/01/moira-donegan-i-started-the-media-men-list.html

    • Carpe Vagenda

      I’m trying to think of a way that Roiphe could have handled this in a more hypocritical and destructive way, but nah.

      • sgt. jmk of the résistance

        Well, she could have sent this tweet… that would be worse, right?

        https://twitter.com/JessicaValenti/status/951493606757543937

        • Carpe Vagenda

          Wow.

          Give her this, it’s a splashy audition for regular spot at the Times.

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            It made me want to punch a wall… so she’d fit right in.

  • Sally Eckhoff

    Katie Roiphe has made plenty of money trying to shoot down feminist ideas. She’s like Ben Carson and both can eat my horrible old sneakers with the paint spots all over them.

  • Robert Gibson

    Am I the only one who didn’t know there was a magazine called ‘Harper’s’ and thought we were talking about ‘Harper’s Bazaar’?

    Like, ‘Why would a fashion magazine be getting in to this?’

  • Jeffery Campbell

    So, she posted it and “expected it to be private.” That seems foolhardy at best.

    There are definitely shitty men in this wide world, and we must continue trying to find legitimate ways to protect women from harassment and abuse. An anonymous “burn book” (whether she thinks it is or not) that she distributed for anonymous contributions is not the way. She has signed her name and she should have – it’s her work.

    • Nenatopia

      Women in media – and pretty much every other profession – are well aware that complaining about harassment/assault they’ve been subjected to is more likely to damage or end their career than to result in any consequences for the person who harassed/assaulted them. Women warning other women about harassers and abusers is pretty much the only way that women have to know who to watch out for.

      This list wasn’t a “burn book”. It wasn’t about shitting on media men, it was about helping/protecting media women. That you can’t see that there’s a difference is sick and sad.

      • Jeffery Campbell

        I can see perfectly well what this is and I very much appreciate the motive. What is sick and sad about it is that this is what is necessary or believed to be so; that this is the only available protection.

  • Just saying

    I would like to join a conspiracy of feminist provide KR with the right to STFU already.

  • Lorindel Ó Loingsigh

    Apparently, this malevolent dybbuk that has spent her career bemoaning the fact that her bizarre sexual fantasies aren’t more mainstream in terms of popularity, deep-sixed her own self.

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