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So, it happened. Betsy DeVos, the wildly unqualified jackass from Amway, was confirmed as the new Education secretary on Tuesday, after Democrats stayed up ALL NIGHT to explain, for the umpteenth time, why DeVos is a moron whose only interest in schools is Jesus-ing them up like a common theocrat. All 48 Democrats in the Senate voted against her, as did two Republicans, Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski, which means it was a 50-50 tie and Vice President Mike Pence had to creep his creepy ass over to the Capitol to cast the tie-breaking vote.

To review: 48 Democrats + 2 Republicans = 50 votes. The other 50 Republicans + Mike Pence = 51 votes. (That is a math problem that Betsy DeVos wouldn’t approve of, by the way, as it does not include even one prayer or Amway product.)

The reason we clarify that math is because Jill Stein has emerged from whatever anti-vaxxer idiot rock she lives under, for to tweet this:

Yes, Democrats caved to corporate interests by voting, en masse, not to confirm the billionaire dipshit lady who only got nominated because her family gives so much money to Republicans.

Asshole says what? Because Hillary and Trump were THE SAME? Because the Democrats and the Republicans are THE SAME? Oh wait, we think the vapid dicksnort is saying she didn’t actually read the article maybe, and is not aware that, again, EVERY DEMOCRAT VOTED AGAINST BETSY DEVOS. And also two Republicans, who dug deep and found their souls and brains this one time.

But why else might there have been a tie, hmmmmmm? Why do the Republicans control the Senate anyway? We wonder maybe, if Jill Stein hadn’t ever been born, if we might have had a slightly different election, and President Hillary Clinton might have nominated somebody who’s JUST THE SAME AS BETSY DEVOS, you bet, Hillary Clinton’s Education nominee would have been JUST THE SAME either former Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm or former New York University president John Sexton for her Education secretary.

HMMMMMM.

HMMMMMM, WE JUST DON’T KNOW WHAT TO THINK.

Just kidding, yes we do. Jill Stein was in there depressing the vote for Hillary Clinton — and possibly Senate Democrats! — in the Rust Belt and effectively provided the winning margin for Donald Fucking Trump. She might’ve even helped depress the vote for Senate Democrats all across America! And we’d call her simply a normal spoiler if it weren’t for how she pals around with the same Russian goons who helped Trump win the election by tiny margins in … THREE STATES IN THE RUST BELT!

oh look on the left is Trump’s National Security Adviser Michael Flynn also!

We don’t know if Jill Stein was an active participant in any of Russia’s schemes to steal the election for Trump, or if she’s too stupid to do that sort of thing. (Too stupid.) What we DO know is that “Dr.” Stein needs to STFU and go to hell, talkin’ out her ass about, “OMG why was there a tie on the DeVos vote? I blame the Democrats because I’m too dumb to do basic counting!”

Fuck off, asshole.

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  • MynameisBlarney

    Oh for fucks sake.
    She is really fucking annoying. AND stupider’n hell.

  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

    Jill Stein is An Stupid who can’t do Maths good.

    And she don’t know how things werk also too.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    “Oh no, I broke a shoelace–because Democrats serve corporate interests.”
    — Jill Stein

  • LarryHoudini

    I certainly don’t remember Roseanne running for president.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Harambe got all the press attention.

      • Me not sure

        The Trump people took out Harambe because they knew he would be tough in the debates. FALSE FLAG!

    • Vincent Ricola

      I do. She was so crazy stupid that I would’ve put her behind Harambe on that list.

  • Ms. Stein is an effect looking for a cause.

    • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

      The Wi-Fi done made her retarded.

      • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

        I blame all the Obamaphones.

        • CogitoErgoBibo

          Chemtrails.

          • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

            Monsanto!!!!!

          • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

            ADM!!!!

      • schmannity

        Vaccines!

  • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

    Jill off, Stein.

    • kareemachan

      Or, Stein off, Jill.

  • Painter of Goats

    “I saw a headline about a thing. No need to read about it now. Dems are corporate shills, obviously.”

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      “I know I went to the wrong city for my own campaign rally, but you really need to trust me on this one.”

  • Latverian Diplomat

    “I oppose vaccination, because I want my tweets to go viral.”
    — Jill Stein

    • Nounverb911

      Didn’t she also say “Math causes Autism”?

      • Maybe

        Lack of math causes Republicanism.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall
  • Nounverb911

    “What’s math?”
    –Jill Stein

    • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

      Math and accurate facts serve the corporate interests.

      • Latverian Diplomat

        That’s why executives always have those flip charts in all the New Yorker cartoons.

  • memzilla Ω

    Dammit, get this straight: this Potemkin vote on DeVos is a PUT UP JOB. How do we know this? Because there has not been ONE angry tweet from President* Twitler about the “two disloyal Republican senators who voted against me.” When have you EVER seen President Twitler* NOT lash out at “disloyalty?” Collins and Murkowski get to claim to be “moderates” in the press. And Rethuglicans got to blather about “Dems So Obstructive” with a staged photo op of Pence. STOP FALLING FOR THIS.

    • Duke

      Maybe it was pee hooker night.

    • dslindc

      Maybe his tiny hands were too sore from the rough towels on Air Force One.

  • Suttree

    Is Jill Stein Stupider Than Betsy Devos

    Is this a trick question? I have a feeling this is a trick question.

    • onedollarjuana

      Sort of an irresistable-derp-meets-immovable-dope paradox?

    • rachelmap

      Maybe if the stupidity of both were scaled in Gohmert units, it would be easier to tell.

  • Bill D. Burger

    If you put Jill Stein’s brain in a bird it would fly like a corkscrew through the air.

    • Painter of Goats

      Straight into trees, also.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      If you put Jill Stein’s brain on a razor blade, it would loo like a bb on a four-lane highway.

  • Michael Smith

    Jill Stein’s job is to provide excuses to liberals who are too afraid to stand up to the Republicans.

    • Lascauxcaveman

      “And she’s doing a terrific job, just terrific. The best.”

      – D. Trump

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    Wow. And here I didn’t think it possible to be dumber than Gary Johnson. Stein is approaching Gohmert-level stupid here.

    • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

      Approaching?

    • Bill D. Burger

      Steve King libelz’! (sorta) ~snicker~

      He would feel left out.

  • Lizzietish81

    I wish we had a progressive party in the US that wasn’t full of stupid assholes.

    • Duke

      But.. but…

      Oh, nevermind.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Almost makes you feel a little nostalgic for Dennis Kucinich. That’s quite an accomplishment.

      • Vienna Woods
      • artem1s

        no. he is the father of the Stein and Bro idjits. He was a lazy ass rep who never brought a dime to his district but still had plenty of time to run for president every four years. He is nothing but a weed grifter like Ron Paul

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          Perhaps you didn’t detect my heavy note of sarcasm there. I’m nostalgic about him the same way I am about Dubya…not a single fucking bit.

          • Shibusa

            Dubya, with his 10 pm sharp bedtime, was a workaholic night owl compared to the Gropenfuhrer occupying the White House.

          • artem1s

            sry, thx. hard not to knee jerk. Ohio is full of purity ponies who are ready to throw away every civil rights advance we have ever made because Dennis the Menace told them Monsanto was evil and he would give them free weed. Can’t stand that guy or his supporters.

    • RIP Paul Wellstone.

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      Lizzietish81/Warren 2020!

      • BCS

        Wellstone’s corpse 2020!

        • Snopes Shop

          Now I’m sad.

        • Maybe

          I’d even take Reagan’s corpse over Donald Trump.

  • GunToting[Redacted]

    “Thanks, SENATE DEMOCRATS” is the new “Thanks, OBAMA.”

  • Martini Ambassador

    Here’s more numbers (that’ll probably go way the fuck over the heads of DeVos or Stein):

    The senators who opposed DeVos represent 36 million more people than her supporters do

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      And since there are only 10 kids left in Cousin Fuck County, Kentucky, and they don’t bother with school anyway, who cares?

  • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

    Jill is with Standing Rock. And to prove it, she provides a dick pic.

    https://twitter.com/DrJillStein?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

    Why can’t we have our picture posting function back?

    • Creepoman

      It’s one of those nice things that we no longer get to have. Clean water and breathable air are next on chopping block.

    • proudgrampa

      Because Obama?

  • ViveLaRésistance

    When the only thing keeping you relevant is Ralph Nader, it’s time to shut up.

  • Beanz&Berryz

    Stupid is stupid. Stupid liberals are as stupid as stupid conservatives. And. You can be stupid with any amount of “education.” Jill stein is as dumb-assed a stupid fuck as they come. It’s just a tragedy that she pulls others into her world-class stupid.

    • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

      Something, something, Monsanto shill !!!!!

  • Bill D. Burger

    I think the fact that Jill Stein lost to ‘Deez Nuts’ and a dead gorilla in the polls tells you all you need to know about her and her importance to the political debate.

    • therblig

      wait a minute, a dead gorilla was on the ballot?

      VOTER FRAUD!!!!!?!?!?!

      • teele

        Didn’t he “win”?

  • Vincent Ricola

    Why did we stop the long-standing tradition of having election losers shut their yappers for a few months after they get the results? Seriously, I’m so sick of seeing these same fucking Jill Steins and participants of the CNN townhall “debates” – sit down and shut the fuck up already, losers, you can come back in 6 months if anyone remembers. Be like Hillary.

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      Why? Because in 2009 Rs and Tea Partiers immediately organized and rallied in opposition to Obama. And it worked. That is how politics works now in the era of base politics, information silos and alternative facts. Demoncrats need to evolve or die.

      • Vincent Ricola

        So trotting out everyone who lost to repeat the exact same talking points that lost them the election is considered “organizing and opposition”? I see new faces organizing, I see old faces grasping for attention on social media and cable news channels.

      • teele

        Gosh, if only there were a Master Landscaper with Deep Corporate Pockets to astroturf an Exciting New Leftist Party for us. When is the mythical Great Wizard Soros going to stop paying travel expenses for protestors and pony up for a shiny unicorn party?

    • Persister de la Résistance

      Hills has been rather gracious, hasn’t she?

      • NastyBossetti

        Not according to some people. Why, I just saw a meme yesterday about how Bernie lost months ago, but there are videos of him every. single. day, still out there fighting for us even though he lost, yet no one has heard a peep from Hillary. (I guess it slips people’s attention that Bernie Sanders is a senator, so he’s just doing his fucking job, while Hillary Clinton is now a private citizen so what exactly should she be doing, in her capacity as a private citizen, and why the fuck do you think she owes you anything?)

        • Persister de la Résistance

          Pretty much. The people who really hated her probably miss having her to hate.

  • onedollarjuana

    I guess, in the grand scheme of things, she is partly right. If Dems hadn’t been selling out for decades we might not have the Cheetoh-in-Chief as PeeResident. But I’m sure glad she isn’t MY physician.

  • Martini Ambassador
    • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

      Yes, and he asked financial guru, Michael Flynn.

      • Oblios_Cap

        At 3 AM

        • WotsAllThisThen

          via tweet

          • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

            from a still-damp yellow-stained bed.

          • WotsAllThisThen

            He should really put on a bathrobe.

        • (Major_Major_Major)ly_Pissed

          It was Flynn’s turn to sleepover AGAIN?

          • Bozilingus

            “Hey, Flynn! It’s your turn to keep an eye on Dumbshit tonight!”

          • (Major_Major_Major)ly_Pissed

            Goddammit, you mean I havta explain how to play “Go Fish” for the 300 thousandth time?

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Guess that Wharton School of Business ain’t all its cracked up to be.

      • Oblios_Cap

        Sometimes it seems like prestige is earned by how much money you can charge.

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          *coughTrumpUniversitycoughcough*

    • Persister de la Résistance

      It impacts my wallet, so please try to make it weak. Because a strong dollar helps me.

    • YoBunnyBunny

      Well, neither do I… But I’m not the President of All of You, so I guess it’s not really an issue for me, then, does it?

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    Oh FFS. The damned tweet is STILL out there. https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/829008961550553093 Is she also too stupid to figure out how to delete a freakin’ tweet?!

    • Vincent Ricola

      She can’t delete it. Putin pays by the word.

    • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

      Don’t be silly. She’s too stupid to know that it was stupid even after it is pointed out by everybody (everybody not so stoned that they cannot function) that it was stupid.

  • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

    Susan Sarandon is certainly happy about this. She wanted Trump to win so the country would explode. Nevermind that a few poor people (AOTK), Muslims (AOTK), immigrants (AOTK), women (AOTK) are hit by shrapnel.

    • Vincent Ricola

      It’s so easy to be edgy from the living room computer in your fantastic and highly-secured Hollywood Hills home. Fight the power!

      • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

        You mean the dining table in my inner-city apartment. Fun fact: I get shot by gangs every couple hours.

    • Persister de la Résistance

      Tatas or brains, I guess we know where she fits in.

    • arundel

      It’s not an apt comparison- I certainly don’t hate her or anything- but I feel a bit about Susan Sarandon like how conservatives felt about Jane Fonda. Someone rooting for the other side, even if their intentions were “pure”. Sarandon was so smug about “bringing on the revolution, heightening the contradictions.” Behaving exactly like the stereotype of the lefty Hollywood liberal, which would be blithely and dumbly, insensitive to the ramifications. And insulated from the consequences.

      • FigaroPho

        She did this when Bush took the White House thanks to Nader and his voters (including her). She argued that it wasn’t her fault or Nader’s fault. It was everyone else’s fault and it was totes okay anyway because Bush would be so horrible that no Republican would ever win anything again. Apparently, she’s incapable of learning from her mistakes.

  • WotsAllThisThen

    50 voted against, 50 voted for. See? Both parties are the same!

    • Persister de la Résistance

      Both sides do it!

  • proudgrampa

    I TOLD you yesterday — you’re spelling her name wrong.

    It’s S-T-U-P-I-D.

  • Oneofthebobs

    Jill Stein learned arithmetic at Trump University.

    • lowenufc

      Then she is the only one that learned anything from Tiny Hands University other than what a mistake it was to enroll at Tiny Hand University.

  • Michael R

    How to prepare for a Trump / DeVos future , lesson one :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMnKNHNfznE&t=0m36s

  • Oblios_Cap

    So now she has a Twatter about how “Greens are the real opposition to Trump”. So many nay votes have they cast against anything the Dumpster’s done?

    • MynameisBlarney

      If the green party wishes to stay even the tiniest bit relevant. They need to kick her stupid ass the fuck out.

      • Persister de la Résistance

        I like them in Germany. They’re all a bunch of old hippies with sensible shoes.

        • Suttree

          So long as they aren’t wearing socks with sandals.

          • Msgr_MΩment

            Great minds.

          • Persister de la Résistance

            Some things in this life cannot be fixed. Europeans is sandals with socks is one of them.

          • (Major_Major_Major)ly_Pissed

            European, so they prolly are.

        • Msgr_MΩment

          Yeah. Socks with Birkenstocks.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            YOU MONSTER!

        • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

          Ich fühle das gleiche.

          The European Greens have been around a long time and seem more often than not, to be serious and informed.

          • artem1s

            yes, and actually get their reps elected into lower level positions where real work is happening.

          • Persister de la Résistance

            They’ve got seats in the Bundestag, and are serious coalition builders.

      • Historicat

        In this country, they’ve never been relevant. When’s the last time a third-party candidate had more than local electoral success? You get some independent winners (Sanders and Angus King in the Senate, for example) but that’s not a party movement.

        Our government is very much “thesis/antithesis” based. And most people realize the power-base in this country comes from having a larger coalition. Purity ponies exclude most people and are thus walling themselves off from power.

    • shivaskeeper

      The Greens would have to build a national level party to do that.

  • Shoto

    “Basic arithmetic is real hard.”

    — Jill Stein

    • Persister de la Résistance

      “I’ll bitch and whine about anything.”

      — Jill Stein

  • Kiri the Resistant Unicorn

    “That is a math problem that Betsy DeVos wouldn’t approve of, by the way, as it does not include even one prayer or Amway product.”

    And it’s written in Arabic numerals.

  • laughingnome

    Physician heal thyself.

    • Creepoman

      Physician fuck thyself. FIFY

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      Take two sugar pills and call yourself in the morning.

    • Oblios_Cap

      At least vaccinate yourself against stupid.

  • Persister de la Résistance

    Dumb fucking cunt is dumb fucking cunty.

    • lowenufc

      Now now, we are better than that. There is no need for that kind of language.
      Especially when we can call her a warped lie-gobbling anus puss with the relative intelligence of a very dumb piece of fruit that has been left in the sun for six days.

  • bookish

    Daily Kos on Be Aware: the Ides of Trump.

    Mail a postcard to Trump for March 15, 2017.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/02/08/1631236/-Beware-the-Ides-of-Trump

    • Oblios_Cap

      That sounds fun. Are we supposed to put Trump Tower as our return address?

      • Alternative Pony Ron

        Oh, that would be perfect!

    • puredog

      I think this really ought to happen. It’s cheap and simple and *might* offend Cheeto Benito. No substitute for more substantive acts of resistance, but it has a nice Yippie flavor to it (yes, I iz auld).

    • Alternative Pony Ron

      Headed out for the post office to find out how that works Up Here and sort out the timing.

  • dslindc

    Jill wasn’t told there would be math, apparently.

    • timpundit

      Or science.

      • MsJoanne

        Or logic.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    OT: Make Czechia first. Fifty First.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBiRTIQcO1s

  • Michael R

    Where is Ralph Wiggum with
    ” My cat’s breath smell like cat food ”
    when you need him ?

    • MynameisBlarney

      “I bent my Wookie.”

      • CogitoErgoBibo

        Or more topical for Jill: “Choo choo choose me!”

  • therblig

    I sincerely hope her vaccinations have expired.

    • laughingnome

      Is she an indoor or outdoor cat?

  • bookish

    Write a letter to President Steve Bannon.

    WTF America?‏ @0hTerTer
    It’s time to write a letter To: President Steve Bannon,1600 Pennsylvania ave,Washington DC,20500 and tell him #TheResistance is here #Resist

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    If Jill Stein gets 5 vaccinations but Donald Trump gets only 2, how many autistic kids does that leave for Betsy Devos not to educate?

    • laughingnome

      AOT/K

    • Shoto

      Math Answer:

      “Amway is NOT a pyramid. Praise Jeezuz.”

      — Betsy DeVos

      • LA Julian

        But is it full of grain??

    • sw19bender

      Are there no workhouses?

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Something something “surplus population”.

    • Nockular cavity

      “Mumble mumble something solution for autism problem.”
      -Steve Bannon

      • (Major_Major_Major)ly_Pissed

        Free public education for autistic kids?-NO
        Free camp and rail transportation for autistic kids?-YEP

    • YoBunnyBunny

      But there is no more MATHS now!!!!

  • Timothy Watson

    We can also thank her for taking $5,000,000+ from Democrats in her bullshit “recount” drive. That were a thousand better uses for that money, e.g., ACLU, SPLC, DNC, DCCC.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Hey, she probably got a jet ski and a condo in Aspen out of it. Win/win!

      • LA Julian

        And she gave Democrats ‘Hope’!! That’s valuable, right?

  • MynameisBlarney
    • Suttree

      I am so glad that my mother was sane a neo-natal nurse. Fuck these people.
      ETA: Also glad that measles vaccines are life long.

    • Alternative Pony Ron

      And the CDC is one of the agencies on the chopping block.
      Has there ever been a times when it was AMERICANS having to spend time in quarantine when travelling?

  • SadDemInTex

    I thought we were never talking about her again😡

    • Suttree

      It has certainly felt like forever, the way time has been passing lately.

      • artem1s

        Three Weeks! seems like a fucking lifetime. Like quitting smoking; just seems like you are living longer.

        • CogitoErgoBibo

          Trump years = dog years.

          • artem1s

            Trump weeks = dog years!

    • shivaskeeper

      I think the official Wonkette ruling was unless she crawled out from under her rock and spewed the stupid all over everything. She did and she did, so she gets snarked at.

    • Alan

      We are only mocking her, not discussing her.

  • Chyron HR

    Don’t blame me, I voted for Harambe.

  • canes_pugnaces

    It’s easy to impugn Stein (in fact, I do it all the time). The truth is whether from within (she’s was a lousy candidate because she had a v-jay) or without (Putin didn’t like her, and the press couldn’t get enough of her stupid-assed emails), HRC’s message about fairness did not resonate in the places that matter. I mean I live in NYC and LA and my vote is ticker-tape.

    I’m talking about really important places like Cheet, WVa, and Mars, PA. Nope, the residents of those places, places where votes really matter didn’t like HRC. And they didn’t vote for Stein, either. They voted for the over ripe mango with the starched brown shirt, because he has a time machine, a really great one, the best. And he’s going to bring back soda stands, Klan rallies and 35 cent gas. So there.

    Having said that, I hope to never hear one of Stein’s insipid folk songs again. Ever. That goes for Tweets.

    • cmd resistor

      Hey, didn’t you hear McConnell, NO IMPUGNING!

    • teele

      You may be lucky enough to live in a state where your term-limited GOP legislature doesn’t spend the spare time it has after an exhausting day of robo-signing Special Interest Bills into law, figuring out how to gerrymander the population into challenge-proof maps that look like they were created by preschoolers using finger paint and silly string.

  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

    Speaking of stupid: people working their way through Sean Spicer’s Alex Jones’ list of “unreported Islamic terrorist attacks” have pointed out that among many non terrorist attacks…

    he snuck in the 1996 Atlanta Olympics bombing by Eric Rudolph, the anti-gay, anti-abortion, right-wing WHITE CHRISTIAN guy who bombed the Olympics.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Who became a genuine peckerwood outlaw hero in rural N.C.

    • canes_pugnaces

      He was giving that as an example of good terrorist attacks. You misunderstoodimated.

    • cmd resistor

      I read somewhere that Spicer keeps throwing Atlanta into his list of terrorist attacks but no one knew what he was talking about. Just wow.

      • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

        I guess we should parse that list for Tim McVeigh and Oklahoma City.

        • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

          oops, it’s on Spicer’s list. And the press corps caught it.

          Q If I may, these are homegrown — Oklahoma City was an American kid.
          MR. SPICER: Sure.
          Q Okay. That’s all. That’s what I’m asking.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    She’s no Ayn Stein.

  • Daisy

    God, she’s so dumb!

  • The Wanderer

    Dear Dagon’s Left Rear Testicle, what a fucking idiot.

  • MsJoanne

    Let’s not give Collins and Murkowski too much credit here. They both voted DeVos out of committee knowing she would get confirmed. No balls required. This was cover for them and nothing more.

    • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

      The question is how many more Rs would have preferred to vote no but lacked the balls to do so if there was more cover ?

      • MsJoanne

        Collectively there are zero balls attached to anyone having R next to their name. Maybe they can find some used ones on eBay.

        • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

          We saw Toomey lost his balls.

          • MsJoanne

            Toomey’s balls were bought and paid for by DeVos…and then put in a jar on the shelf for all to see. They are resting next to the other bought-and-paid for republicans.

          • Warned_and_Persistant

            As Flo Ziegfeld used to say to his cast, ‘I bought and paid for all of you, now dance’.

          • NastyBossetti

            I remain unconvinced he had any in the first place.

          • LA Julian

            Toomey was EXTREMELY well paid for them, by DeVos.

      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        What’s annoying is that, had the timing worked differently, they really might have gotten the votes to stop Devos. But Collins and Murkowski came out with their opposition at about the same time, making it 50-50; the Republican who flipped next would officially be the “one who stopped Devos”, earning them Trump and the Flying Monkey Brigade’s wrath with no positive other than our gratitude.

        Tl;dr: Lady Luck, as usual, hates the Democrats.

    • sw19bender

      You go into battle with the balls you have, not the ones you wish the Republicans had.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Bingo. Nothing ventured, nothing lost, plus delusional Democrats pee all over themselves in joy that they’ve somehow become allies. We never seem to catch on to ol’ the bait and switch, do we?

      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        To be (marginally) fair to them, they’d be betraying their own side for nothing other than our ephemeral gratitude. Nobody loves a traitor. Just ask Arlen Spector.

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          But Spector flipped not out of principle, but desperation. I guess it would be too much to ask of our elected representatives to vote out of conscience and the good of the country every once in a blue moon or so.

          • MsJoanne

            Way too much to ask. And I can toss that scorn on both sides of the aisle. There is far too much time spent on figuring out what will get them reelected and no time at all spent on what is for the good of the people who pay their salaries (and benefits).

          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            TBH, if they had the principles to reject someone like Devos, they wouldn’t be Republicans.

  • bookish
  • sw19bender

    On behalf of all sane Green Parties across the rest of the world (aka AOTK), I apologise.

    Is there any actual (i.e. sane) reason why she hates Democrats so much?

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      Corporate ho’s? Mindless prattling about elites?

      Rinse, repeat.

    • Rick Hill

      Well, the Green party used to be something when it stood for everyone smoking pot. Or did I just dream that?

      • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

        Dave’s not here.

      • o’look Skwerl!

        We have the Grassroots party for that!

        • Antonin Dvorak

          Creed Bratton would’ve been a better candidate, now that I think about it.

    • MynameisBlarney

      Because they’re not batshit fucking crazy?

    • shivaskeeper

      She wants the power without having to so the work of building a national organization. Ride to coat tails of the Dems while screeching about how they are not progressive enough seems to be the way she wants to do it. She needs no reason beyond that.

  • The Wanderer

    What fun! I’m sitting here, a happy-go-lucky Wanderer, and I’ve just lost about 20% of my visual field to a migraine. Whee!

    • sw19bender

      To the darkened room with you!
      As a fellow migraine-sufferer, please take it easy.

    • Bozilingus

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaTO8_KNcuo

      Just kidding, hope you feel better quickly.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      Oh no, those are the worst. Get something cold on your head, turn the lights out, and rest!

    • starfanglednut

      Oh, I hate that! Feel better, wanderer.

    • Alternative Pony Ron

      Dark room. Gentle music. Head elevated slightly. Pawfull of painkillers.
      And no computers until the yellow-and-black stripes go away!
      Feel better soon, mon ami.

      • The Wanderer

        Thanks, but I’m crazy enough as is. Friends and coworkers imagine me on drugs, and run screaming into the night.

        • The neat thing is you don’t have to take enough to get high. Just a low maintenance dose is enough to have it work.

  • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

    Again, Dr. Stein needs to go to her room and think very, very hard about what she’s done. And no ice cream for dessert!

    • shivaskeeper

      I see a large hole in your plan: Stein and thinking don’t really go together.

      Clue x 4 maybe, but not thinking.

  • MynameisBlarney
    • Lord Jim

      Me likey! I particularly liked Schrödinger’s Smiley and Stop Sine.

  • Rick Hill

    Well, atchually, she makes perfect sense. It’s easy to see that Democrats are completely under corporate control or there would be more Democrats in office.
    We now return you to complete republican control where every corporate wish is being granted along with free ponies given to all ccorporate overlords.

    • sw19bender

      Yeah, but at least her emails….

      • Rick Hill

        I’m sayin’….

  • shivaskeeper

    I have to once again point out the stupidity of Stein voters. About 3-4 weeks ago I got a message across one of my social media feeds to whit:

    “If all the Dems had voted Green, Trump wouldn’t be President. Just something to think about.”

    I would post the original text, but that person is blocked and deleted, because stupidity. so I don’t have access to it.

    • sw19bender

      Tactical voting. How does that work again?

      • MynameisBlarney

        Not very good.

      • shivaskeeper

        That particular ball of stupid was all over it prior to the election about how everyone had to vote their conscious just like he was going to from his safe Blue state. Unless you lived in a swing state. Then you would have to vote Dem.

      • LA Julian

        You’d think they’d learn from the successes of the European Greens, but apparently they aren’t immune to American Exceptionalism, either…

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      If things had not happened the way they did, things would be different now. Just something to think about.

      • Alternative Pony Ron

        If only light didn’t come in the morning.
        If only darkness didn’t fall at night.
        If only you and me had led different lives, baby.
        I know that everything would have turned out alright.
        – Information Society, ‘If Only’

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      I’ve thought about it. If all the Dems had voted Green, we would have a ridiculously uninformed, unqualified person with no governmental experience heading up an administration filled with ideologues who have no qualifications or experience running departments that they don’t understand. And more patchouli, maybe.

      • shivaskeeper

        IK,R?

      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        Oh, that and she’d have no party whatsoever to call on when she needed a vote on something, since neither party has the least bit of incentive to see her succeed.

      • LA Julian

        Uninformed, unqualified, and LAZY AF.

        (signed, resentful environmental educator who NEVER sees the Greens on the ground here)

    • natoslug

      If every person on the planet held their breath forever, we would quickly fix this global climate change issue. Just something to think about. If people wouldn’t stand in the way of bullets when the bullets fired out of the barrel, we wouldn’t have so many gun-related deaths. Just something to think about. Huh — I kind of like that Steinian logic! It applies so well to a rather diverse range of topics!

  • James

    And DeVos is why you vote for the person who can beat the fascist, not the person who counts like a common DeVos.

  • Jgb979

    Odds that she would call someone in the middle of the night to ask if a strong dollar or weak dollar was good for the economy: about 99%.

    I don’t blame her as much as Nader, it’s hard for any candidate to win when you’re running against the entire Russian cyber hack apparatus, the FBI, James comey, and Donald Trump.

    Still: fuck Jill stein

    • James

      I blame her exactly as much. The way our electoral college is set up, the system only allows for two major candidates. If a third candidate comes in, that candidate draws off votes from the other candidate that holds roughly the same positions.
      Had Dr. Stein managed to get enough electoral votes that no candidate reached 270, the election would have been thrown into the House, where each state gets one vote on the new president. We would still have wound up with Donald Trump.
      A third party only arises in our system when another party completely collapses.

      • ltmcdies

        which, I’m thinking, is what’s on Bernie’s and Jill’s christmas list….the Democrat collapse and they get to play…we’re a party…

    • LA Julian

      She WAS part of the Russian cyber hack apparatus, though.

      • FigaroPho

        Exactly. She is on Putin’s payroll, knew all about it, and made sure all their “dirt” was bandied about on media targeted to leftists.

  • MynameisBlarney
    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      Heathens!

      • MynameisBlarney

        VANDALS!!!

    • Courser_Resistance

      A world of NO

    • Suttree

      Acceptable with sriracha though.

      • MynameisBlarney

        That overpowers everything!

        Texas Pete FTW!

        • Suttree

          I don’t think so. Anyway Crystal is better than Texas Pete’s.

          • MynameisBlarney

            BLASPHEMER!!!

            *eye twitch*

          • puredog

            Heartbreaking Dawns 1496 Cauterizer. Trust me. (Must like it unusually warm, though it is not one of the punitive hot sauces out there.)

          • MynameisBlarney

            I prefer hot sauces that don’t turn my innards into molten lava, lol

        • Texas Pete isn’t even made in Texas. FUCK THAT SHIT.

          Get you some Louisiana Hot Sauce and start loving life.

          • MynameisBlarney

            Texas Pete, Crystal, and Louisiana Hot-Sauce all basically taste the same to me.

          • Absolutely not. Crystal is way more vinegary and thinner. Texas Pete is a bit thicker but still way too high of a vinegar to pepper ratio, and no body. Louisiana is thick and well balanced with a much better pepper flavor and seasoning.

            And none of those is my favorite. If I’m at a restaurant I will go for Cholula over those three every time if they have it, but at home I have several others I would pick over any national brand.

          • MynameisBlarney

            They all seem close enough to me that I can use them interchangeably.
            The restaurants here usually only have Tabasco, which I don’t care for at all, or Cholula, which I like quite a bit.

  • Alan

    I was going to say nobody’s as stupid as DeVos until the doctor tweetered that. I’ll give it a tie now.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      What about the Stupidest Man on the Internet?

      • Alan

        Point well taken.

  • bookish
    • Courser_Resistance

      I would frame that and put it on my wall.

    • puredog

      I like how that abbreviated link cuts off at “C4.” Gives me notions.

  • As the mushroom clouds rose in the distance, Jill could think of only one thing. With her last precious seconds of life, she grabbed her phone and tweeted, “Both sides do it…”

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  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    Alternative-Smart Jill Stein can just…I don’t know…fade back into obscurity now?

  • Warned_and_Persistant

    The last Green Party I enjoyed was St. Patrick’s Day 2009.

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      Me, 1988.

      It gets old really quickly as you get older.

      • Warned_and_Persistant

        I hear you. Having your liver levels read between shots of Jameson’s is awkward

  • Crystalclear12

    Personally I think of her as Jill Nader-Stein.

    • ResistanceFictionista blondeiq

      Jill Nadir-Stein. There, I fixed it for you.

      • Bub the Hoohah! loving Zombie

        ISWYDT
        And I like it.

  • bookish

    One of our wonkers referenced this a day or so ago. Where did Trump get his idea that the media is not reporting terror attacks? Possibly from InfoWars.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/06/trumps-suggestion-that-the-media-is-ignoring-terrorist-attacks-has-a-familiar-source-infowars/?utm_term=.56b2c4e12ef1

    • Shibusa

      Next thing you know, Trump will be saying Sandy Hook was a hoax.

  • anon_the_great

    STFU Jill. No really STFU. We’ve heard your shit you little Putin Puppet, now please STFU

    Jill Stein is like that 22 year old at the bar, who having just read Roland Barthes, won’t shut up about it. Worse, it’s pretty clear our eager young intellectual didn’t understand what he read. Unlike Jill, our lad will be passed out in a hour or two.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Well that and said 22-year old has an even shot of growing out of it. Stein’s a bit too invested in her own stupidity by now.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      IMO Jill Stein is what happens when you take an eager young faux-intellectual, keep them insulated from people with other experiences, and add a grifter personality.

      • LA Julian

        Except she’s had to work hard to stay that insulated – the only hard work she’s ever done in her life!

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Or that 8 year old rich white kid when he first hears about Ayn Rand…

  • Alternative Pony Ron

    So, once the vote was tallied did Mikey have to crawl back into his closet under the stairs, or did they let him have a few minutes of exercise on the wheel first?

  • James

    Well, all hope is not lost (though battling back is going to take some time). My village board in uber-red Western Nebraska now has two liberals on it (and both atheists to boot) after we installed a new board member last Monday.
    If we can do it here (where a grand total of eight people voted for Hillary Clinton, three for Gary Johnson, and two for Jill Stein – who were those moonbats) it can be done.

    • Shibusa

      It was Nebraska’s brilliant Senator Deb Fischer who, after voting to confirm to Betsy DeVos, said said DeVos needs to be exposed to public schools to see how great they are at educating children. (Huh?!)

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    “Two Republicans who dug deep, and found their souls and brains…” And who were undoubtedly praying like motherfuckers that no other Republican flipped. This way, they got to play the “principled” card AND get a fundie moron in charge of educating our children. Winning!

    • Shibusa

      And Lisa I’m-So-Principled Murkowski & Susan I’m-Also-Too-Principled Collins voted first to move Betsy DeVos’ nomination to be education secretary to a vote of the full Senate! WTF?! They could have shut it down in committee.

    • LA Julian

      Exactly – they only discovered them AFTER rubberstamping DeVos through committee, AND the public roared at them in outrage!

  • bookish

    Embedded
    Will Jordan‏ @williamjordann
    NEW: Trump Job Approval from Economist/YouGov weekly:

    Approve: 41% (-2)
    Disapprove: 48% (+4)
    Not sure: 11% (-3)

    6pt decline in a week.

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      Trump: “My numbers are growing!”

      • Warned_and_Persistant

        In his dreams it would be ‘my digits are growing’.

      • James

        Negative numbers, positive numbers, all a wash, right?

        • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

          Absolutely.

        • LA Julian

          Well, he doesn’t know what the difference between ‘strong’ and ‘weak’ dollar is, in terms of fiscal policy, and called up his Crusader pal Flynn to explain it to him, according to the latest leaks…

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      Viva La Résistance!

    • Warned_and_Persistant

      the DeVos education plan is to raise the ‘not sure’ numbers to over 50%.

      • Shibusa

        Mark Zohar tweeted this about DeVos:

        Contribution to GOP: $200 million
        Contribution to voting GOP senators: $90 million
        Paying lip service to meritocracy: Priceless

    • The Wanderer

      Good!

    • Shibusa

      Who the fuck are the morons who actually approve of this incompetent boob? DJT the great leader who only hires the best people made the executive decision on the failed Yemen boondoggle that killed 30+ civilians, 1 SEAL, and an 8 year old American girl in the WH residence (not the “situation room”) with only the counsel of … Bannon and Kushner. Then Spicer named the SEAL’s wife, so she might now be a target. WTF?

      • LA Julian

        And now the US has lost access to any and all operations in Yemen, as a result.

        And Mad King Orange is yelling at France, demanding ‘our money’ back…

      • theblackdog

        The people who want to stick it to the Liebrals that are more than happy to support him while they pick up nose cutting knives.

      • FigaroPho

        Most of them don’t know any of this. They’re insulated in their right wing echo chamber where all is good as gold.

  • Shibusa

    I don’t know if this has been posted but I enjoyed this Randy Rainbow bit:
    https://youtu.be/NLaYDmJYE8k

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      Are you serious? We ALWAYS enjoy a Randy Rainbow.

    • RC

      Oh, thank you for that link. I have never met the wonderful Randy Rainbow. I subsribed to his channel so I can see more more more.

      • RumAddled

        make sure you watch his interview with Melon, its hilarious

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      Hadn’t seen that one yet!

  • The Librarian

    Too bad Jill Stein wasn’t up for Education Secretary. With those mad math skills she’d have been just as good a choice as DeVos /s.

  • PubOption

    Reading down her Twitter stream, it seems that she thinks Dems should do something about healthcare (and join the Green Party).

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      Why didn’t the Dems think of that!???

      • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

        It’s the Wi-Fi !!!!!! And Monsanto !!!!

        • shivaskeeper

          Beat me to the WiFi comment. Dammit.

    • James

      It’s not like Hillary Clinton tried to do that as First Lady or again as a Senator or again as a Presidential candidate.
      As I recall, Dr. Stein’s campaign Website had zip about healthcare. It does have a photo of her and General Flynn smiling for Vladimir Putin at his propaganda outlet’s birthday party in Moscow though.
      Geez, even as a socialist I would never throw our country under the bus to the bloody KGB president of Russia. What the heck is wrong with her?

    • shivaskeeper

      Join the Green healthcare? No vaccines or WiFi anymore. That seems to be the Green plan. No more GMO’s either.

  • WiscoJoe

    Let’s predict! Does the Green Party spend the next four-years (decades?) building a party up from the grassroots, fielding candidates for dog catcher, school board rep, making inroads in super liberal cities, getting a few people elected to state government in deep blue states, reaching out to marginalized communities, forming coalitions, partnering with the Democrats on specific policies when appropriate, OR…. do they spend the next four years writing mean tweets scapegoating Democrats and building up a mailing list through the use of pointless political stunts, only to make a sudden reemergence in 2020 with a national campaign that is doomed to fail but designed to make a few million people feel really, really smug and dozen or so Republicans feel really, really lucky?

    I’m sincerely hoping for the former, but I’m counting on the latter. The Green Party has had good success in other countries, because they’ve actually done the leg work and they’ve actually worked well with others within a broad left-coalition. Unfortunately, too many Green’s in the U.S. seem way more comfortable “collaborating” with Putin (and Assad, WOOOOOOO) than they do actually working with fellow Americans that share a lot of their ideology. Fuckers.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      You already know the answer to that. Why bother with the hard work when you can ratfuck an election with a few thousand sanctimonious, entitled twats voting their “conscience”?

      • LA Julian

        We never see them on the ground in the environmental movement, not even in the bluest of blue states. Tiny little regional non-profits have a greater visibility, than the US Green Party. (It’s the green of mold, not growth…)

        • Roadstergal

          The Green Genes group in the biotech I work for has done more over the past 4 years for environmental causes than the Green Party.

          • LA Julian

            Overall, big mean nasty corporations have done more for the environment – that’s the sad bitter truth, and it’s because they’ve been pushed by grassroots pressure – and THAT wasn’t coming from the Greens, either.

    • YoBunnyBunny

      “BUT THEY’RE ALL CORRUPT CAPITALIST CORPORATISTS!!1!1!!11!!! And are just like REPUBLICANS!!!!”

      For them, this is their holier-than-thou purity ball.

    • shivaskeeper

      Leg work is hard. building a national coalition might even be done in the average supporters lifetime. Best to just skip that part and focus on ratfuckery.

    • LA Julian

      The US Green party has NEVER done anything at the grassroots level, EVER, so I don’t see any reason to think they’ll start now. They can’t even win at dog catcher level, let alone mayor, in the bluest of blue states – they didn’t even bother to post their own policies on 2016 ballot initiatives on THEIR OWN WEBSITE, in California, unlike the state Democrats – reports of their own national organizational meetings were the definition of ‘shitshow’ – and yet they think themselves qualified to run the nation! Hubris cubed…

      • WiscoJoe

        TBF (fairer than Jill Stein will ever be), they do have about 100 people elected to local positions throughout the county (mostly in California, mostly in non-competitive, non-partisan races), but at least it’s something…

        And here’s the dirty little secret. The Greens I know don’t think the party is qualified to run the nation or even able to win elections. They’re only goal is to get the magic 5% of a popular vote in a national election so that they qualify for public financing and maybe get into the debates in the next round. That’s all they care about. If that means they tear down the Dems to get themselves over 5% at the risk of electing fascists, it doesn’t matter. Again, they’re not concerned with actual policies or judicial appointments or incremental progress, they only care about building up their own party to the 5% level. Of course, that shortsightedness and disregard for actual governance/policy is probably one reason they can’t get above 5% nationally. But hey… from the way they tell it, their the only hope for America, so if they have to burn everything down in order to get the public financing that will finally allow them to have a national platform then it’s totally justifiable. It’s just that I’ve been hearing this same shit since 2000 and it never changes.

        • LA Julian

          Exactly – 100 people, in a state the size of CA, is not even a statistical blip! They even BOAST that over the entire course of their existence they’ve gotten less than .01% of possible mayoral positions in the nation! Any other organization would have gone bankrupt or imploded with such a ‘success’ rate – which makes me VERY curious as to who bankrolls them.

        • LA Julian

          Also, I’d have been (slightly) more impressed if they’d actually bothered to, well, POST THEIR BALLOT INITIATIVE POSITIONS ON THEIR WEBSITE prior to the election.

          You know, the way the Democrats did.

          As it was, the WRONG one of TWO plastic bag initiatives passed. (And who got a diluted one on the ballot, anyway? Need to check into that against future ratfks, too.)

          If you can’t even be bothered to figure out what your own stances are on a couple of dozen new laws that could make a major difference in the state, why should we expect anything like competence on the macro level?

      • natoslug

        The Greens have made major inroads here in Humboldt county — IIRC, they even had a city council majority at some point in Arcata. I blame it on the marijuana and meth. Mainly the meth.

        They brought great things to Arcata at that time; my mother had a new building built for her veterinary practice, and had to deal with cool new regulations like having to keep the sign advertising her practice low to the ground, minimally lit, and pretty much small enough that it would go unnoticed unless you were really looking for it (great for making sure new clients cruised up and down the street trying to find the driveway), and moving most of the parking to the back of the building so that the place of business would look less like a place of business. Having two-way traffic going down a one lane fire lane to and from the parking lot is only inconvenient maybe 90% of the time. Go Greens!

        • LA Julian

          So…there’s no policy difference between Greens when they get into power, and your typical HOA anywhere in the country, but especially in stuffy old towns that see themselves as showpieces for The Good Old Days?

          • natoslug

            Pretty much. I do like that they put in some roundabouts, though. All except the fake roundabout that is actually a monument to bicycles (basically a slightly raised circle at one intersection that also includes stop signs, and which confuses the hell out of most people who first experience it. Half the cars treat it like a really small roundabout and try to drive around it, the other half recognize that it’s just a traffic hazard and drive straight through, so it is exciting when you get a mix of the two passing through the intersection).

        • LA Julian

          Oh, I think I see the problem: Humboldt county’s entire population is 1/3 the city of Long Beach, and Arcata’s is about 1/2 the enrollment of Cal State there. No wonder they could make inroads, there isn’t enough population density to effectively resist them.

          Which suggests a problem for them if they were ever to try to scale up, instead of just short-circuiting the process with a run for the top…

  • PubOption

    Where in the Borscht Belt was that photo of Putin taken?

    • OneYieldRegular

      I’m assuming Stein traveled to Moscow to assure Vladimir Putin that the American Left was still fully behind the revolution and that those rumors about Stalin certainly couldn’t be true, and during her visit, would she have an opportunity to meet him, too?

  • Saxo the Grammarian

    How can one become an MD without any critical thinking skills? Dr. Ben Carson, can you shed some light on this?

    • James

      Her thinking seems to be critical all right. It may flatline soon.

    • Yuri Falconfire

      It actually happens a lot in academia. They become so sheltered into what they study (especially medical doctors) that they actually lose sight of reality.

      I have studied under a number of PHDs, they may be incredibly smart in their field, but are clearly morons in regards to anything outside their limited worldview. Hell my sister-in-law who has a fucking Masters in history didn’t know the first thing about writing a resume…. or what was actually going on in the real world. She buried her face in a book for so long she literally can not interact with real life outside of a museum.

    • chicken thief

      I think you want that other guy, over there.

    • Hawker40

      Medical Doctors, while they are skilled at what they do, are usually not scientists nor critical thinkers. They are body mechanics. They are experts at one thing, and no better than anyone else outside their specialty.

  • chicken thief

    The list isn’t too bad, but only if counting Americans. Otherwise, I’d have Putin at # 2.

  • Hobbes’ Evil Twin

    And also two Republicans, who dug deep and found their souls and brains this one time.

    Let’s not cut these two shit weasels any slack – they only voted no after it was assured their votes wouldn’t change the outcome. Fuck them both in the ear.

    • James

      The Republicans are good at that. Their whips ensure they have the votes, to allow those most in danger of losing their seats to vote the opposite way (then they can also claim “I stood up for what you wanted in a bipartisan opposition, vote for me again).

    • LA Julian

      And after they got a massive blast of rage from their constituents, enough to shake them with reelection fears. They know they’re only in place bc of a combination of nostalgia, inertia, and misplaced faith in them as standing for some lost ideal of ‘reasonable Republicanism’ – that, and Murkowski only got a little bit of DeVos money.

      • laineypc

        We should nurture more ‘reasonable Republicanism’ not disparage it. Up up with sanity!

    • Hardly Ideal

      Call me crazy, but I’m reminded of a bit from Transmetropolitan wherein our hero beats a sick freak with a chair leg:

      There is no talking back here. There is no unspoken agreement to leave you with a scrap of dignity. There is, in fact, no guarantee you’ll be able to walk out of here.

    • laineypc

      Yes let’s put the kaibosh on anything approximating standing up to that gangrenous pestilence in the White House. Fuck that noise.

  • Boscoe

    I’m sorry, I realize we’re all tired and traumatized, but this was nowhere NEAR as much venom as that idiot deserved. :P

    • Maybe

      So agreed. Anyone who undermined Clinton helped Trump and there should be stigma attached to that. It was really dumb.

  • Donkey Option

    Can she please go away now? She’s like the Sarah Palin of the “left.”

    • James

      No one is that crazy. Not even Dr. Stein.

      • Yuri Falconfire

        No Stein is pretty freaking crazy. Anyone who disputes clear scientific research into Vaccines is batshit.

        • James
          • Yuri Falconfire

            thus the point stands… Stein is the left’s version of Palin, completely clueless of anything outside a very narrow limited window.

          • James

            Somehow palling around with Vladimir Putin doesn’t strike me as “left.” Your mileage may vary.

          • LA Julian

            Didn’t you hear? Russia will always and forever be ‘left’ even when they’re openly and officially venerating the Romanovs as icons of the state-endorsed Church…

          • Brendan_M

            The Kremlin supports both nationalist right-wing movements and anti-globalist left-wing movements in order to destabilize other countries. Supporting fringe candidates like Trump and Stein served Putin’s agenda.

      • hendenburg2

        Loretta Sanchez. (Kamala Harris’ Senate election rival)

  • Edith Prickly

    What an ultramaroon.

    • James

      So far off the rainbow physicists can’t identify that colour.

  • Marceline

    Stein needs to thank Betsy Devos. Betsy is going to make sure there’s an entire generation of people stupid enough to fall for Jill’s bullshit.

  • Willie Sam1

    Jill Stein and the Bernie or Busters gave us Trump. Now they can feel ever so self-rightous in opposing him. The collective achievement of the Green Party has been in getting George W Bush and Donald Turmp elected.

    • haroldpp

      No wonder they are defensve.

      • Which is why they are trying to push the “It’s all Hillary’s fault” narrative so bad (With Jill being one of the primary storytellers)

        • Carpe Vagenda

          Well. That and the whore rubles.

        • nikkidarlin

          How is it not Hillary’s fault that she neglected the Rust Belt. She vastly won the popular vote but she couldn’t take some trips to Wisconsin and Minnesota? Yeah, blame Jill Stein.

          • Rok E Raccoon

            Yes, if a candidate doesn’t fly into MY state for an hour, give a canned speech, and zip off to the next whistle stop I can’t possibly support them because I feel neglected. I can’t be bothered to support such an uncaring and selfish person. I’ll always vote for the person who makes appearing in my state a priority.

          • Maybe

            She did not neglect the Rust Belt. But President Trump will neglect it.

            If you could have voted for Hillary and didn’t, own it. You made a choice and you are responsible for that choice. You helped Donald Trump. You continue to help him by smearing Hillary Clinton even now.

          • nikkidarlin

            I did vote for Hillary. And I’m not the only one to suggest she could have spent more time among the people.

            Trump will destroy all of us, given the chance, including my happy blue bubble. I just hope the DNC (and I am a Democrat) learned some helpful lessons from this sh!tshow.

        • Maybe

          Agreed. And it makes no sense. Their argument essentially is that Hillary forced them to not-vote for Hillary.

          Voters have the right to choose, which implies the right to take direct responsibility for those choices and for any foreseeable consequences of those choices.

          Protest votes only help the candidate voters like least. They do not hurt politicians’ feelings so badly that they’ll change their evil ways. Trump and crew are laughing all the way to the White House at how badly progressives messed up.

      • Maybe

        Which, sadly, suggests that they will repeat their behavior in 2018 and 2020 so they don’t have to feel guilty about 2016.

        • haroldpp

          Bingo

          • Maybe

            Possibly bingo. Or Russian Roulette.

            In 2000 Dubya won Florida by 537 votes. Nader received 97,421 votes.

            In 2010 (a census and redistricting year) Dems didn’t turn out and Repubs swept a lot of states, giving them the opportunity to gerrymander and pass voter suppression laws.

            2016 speaks for itself.

            I guess the reason it isn’t like Russian Roulette is that normally you can only lose that once.

    • nikkidarlin

      Maybe the Democrats should stop with the centrist candidates and theye wouldn’t lose to monsters. The Democratic base–me, you people, most of the people I know who argue this utter nonsense are FAR left of your Hillary Clinton or your Al Gore. The DNC doesn’t even understand what it means to be left anymore, they’re too busy capitulating to the babies on the right

      And blaming people who are tired of said capitulation. FFS. Hillary is responsible for her defeat way more than some guy in Bend, Oregon who voted for Stein. People didn’t EVEN VOTE FOR A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE in those rust belt states. How can you blame Jill Stein or Bernie Sanders for THAT.

      • Maybe

        Voters are responsible for their choices.

        And most of your friends may be FAR left of Hillary Clinton, but that doesn’t mean all voters are. Your sample is far from random since people tend to hang out with those who share their views.

        • nikkidarlin

          I have many friends online and in real life who are everything from right leaning libertarians to moderate Clintonistas and Berniecrats. I’m not into echo chambers and I participate in multi-partisan discussion groups. Why would you assume something like that?

          • Maybe

            First, I said “may.” Look it up. It is a word. It has a meaning and that meaning is not “assume.”

            Second, my comment about the randomness of your sample was based on the content of your post. You open by talking about the Democratic base and its views on centrist candidates. You mention how far left the group is compared to Clinton.

            In your second paragraph you bring in Stein and Sanders and their voters. (BTW, if Sanders couldn’t even win the Dem primary, why on earth do you believe he could win the more conservative general election?)

            If you are citing input from anyone right-leaning, you certainly did not mention them in your post. Thus my comment about your sample being far from random.

            Finally, it is ridiculous to blame Clinton for the loss. She did not make anyone not vote for her. Voters have the right to vote for the candidate of their choice, but they also have the right to take responsibility for that choice and for the foreseeable consequences.

            In 2000 Bush won Florida by 537 votes. 97,421 people voted for Nader. We got 8 years of Bush, two wars, increased income inequality and the Great Recession.

            In 2010 Dem turnout was low and the Repubs won by a landslide (https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2010/11/05/measuring-the-size-of-election-2010s-republican-sweep). They promptly set their minds to gerrymandering and voter suppression in order to make it easier for them to win all future elections. The same thing could happen in 2020, except that this time we will have a Supreme Court that will hold their coats and wish them luck.

            Sadly, 2016 speaks for itself. A lot of people are going to suffer because of the actions of Trump and his cronies. A lot of people will die if they get us into the Middle East war the radical right has been jonesing for.

            In this election anyone who could have voted for Hillary Clinton and did not do so helped Donald Trump win. That’s how elections work. If you are one of that group, then shame on you. And shame on Jill Stein for exactly the same reason.

          • nikkidarlin

            So you posited a theory of my social circle based on my support of Bernie Sanders and the fact that I don’t blame the Green Party for Hillary’s loss. Interesting. By the way, saying “may” IS positing a theory, just in case you didn’t know that and wanted to refute insignificant linguistic garb-aaage. “You posited a theory” is a whole lot like “You made an assumption,” though, if you think about it.

            The democratic base IS a lot more liberal than Hillary. You are nuts to think that almost all politicians are not more authoritarian than the people that they represent. They are influenced by the way government works (trading votes, meeting with lobbyists)– influenced to drift more to the middle when voting and more to either the right or left (or both, as with Hillary) when campaigning. So you will never know what really motivates them ideologically even though knowing this is pretty important. Over time, politicians become answerable to financial incentives from lobbyists and a very real investment in the status quo (as well as perpetual fundraising) and less so to the people.

            So I’m going to have to say she’s at least as conservative as her husband, if not more. She is entrenched in the financial sector and has been videotaped telling Wall Street people that she would loosen regulations. She idolizes Madeline Albright and Henry Kissinger (as well as Ronald Reagan), two very hawkish Secretaries of State. Also, up until the election she boisterously promoted fracking (abroad, inflicting the unsafe practice on other people’s geology and drinking water).

            Also, have you watched her scathing vitriol supporting DOMA on the Senate floor. If you care about LGBTQ people (or are one) it will make your skin crawl. After seeing that it was difficult to look at her the same way.Then flash-forward to her celebration of marriage equality replete with confetti. Was this an act? Was she acting on the Senate floor? Does it matter? My guess is that she doesn’t care one way or another since they are both presented with the same amount of excitement.

            So if you care about peace, financial sector regulation, the LGBTQ community and building a cleaner future than I would say that Hillary Clinton is a lot more conservative than you. If you’re not, I’m not sure why you are a Democrat.

            As for why I think Bernie Sanders would have kicked the other one’s ass when he lost the primary– independent voters and Rust Belt democrats (who did not vote or did not vote for president). This past election was quite clearly about the battle between populism and the authoritarian establishment or the perception thereof. People are *really* anti-trade deal on both sides of the political spectrum. Both Bernie and the other one were talking in their rallies about trade deals and how they affect American workers. In the general this would have appealed to the Rust Belt democrats who didn’t vote. So yes, I think Bernie would have trounced.

        • nikkidarlin

          The Democratic party will screw the pooch in 2020 if it doesn’t make room for progressives. If you don’t believe that, you may be the one in the echo chamber.

          • Maybe

            There is plenty of room in the Dem party for progressives. Me, for one. I just happen to be a pragmatic progressive who really, really wants Dems to start winning elections. And who understands that in a country as divided as ours no single group should expect to get all of what it wants with no compromise (if I believed that I guess I’d be a Repub).

            Your position is interesting. You imply that there is no room in the Dem party for you. So, what are your other choices? There are only two viable parties in almost every election.

            BTW, I never said you were in an echo chamber. You said that and then attributed it to me in an attempt to smear me with a straw man. (Yeah, I know that’s a mixed metaphor, but it suits your style.)

            Your tactics leave you with little credibility.

          • nikkidarlin

            No, I believe there is room for everyone left of center but I fear that the DNC doesn’t want to move further left, which I believe it needs to do to save our planet. I hope I’m wrong.

            I actually consider myself more of a liberal than a progressive but that may be an arbitrary distinction. The millenials, though, and you may be one, I make no assumptions, are by and large progressives and many DON’T see themselves in the Democratic Party. I want that to change because I want a brighter future for them and all of our offspring. Republicans have no hope of making that happen.

            I also believe compromise is necessary but feel that more moderate Democrats like Obama don’t know how to negotiate with the enemy. I know that it’s not exactly fair because he had an inoperable tumor for Congress but he ALWAYS started from a centrist place and policy became further right.

            Of course, I’d sell a kidney and half of my liver to have him back right now so there’s that.

  • Bitter Scribe

    I hope all the purity ponies who voted for Stein, especially in MI, WI and PA, feel really proud of themselves now.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Probably as proud of themselves as all the Ralph Nader voters in Florida in 2000.

      All are dead to me.

    • Miss Diketon

      They do. I looked up responses to to the Wasserman tweet. There were a whole lot who said they would have either written in Bernie or stayed home.

  • Mirful

    I saw this morning that, sadly, The World’s Foremost Authority, Professor Irwin Corey has died at the age of 102. So I watched a couple of his old routines.

    Corey is easier to follow and makes more sense than Jill Stein.

    • Mike Steele

      RIP, Prof. Wonkers today could have used a dose of Corey to keep b.p. in check; he was a great:)

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Stein is stupid.

    There. I said it.

    • Heyzeus Ahchay

      Stupid as a warm glass beer mug.

      • phoenix00

        Stupid as canned clams?

        (in b4 YOU MONSTER)

  • Stulexington

    While it’s good for Stein to her head up during non-election time she really really needs to check things before opening her mouth. One of the biggest problems with the Green party is they don’t seem to do anything except during presidential elections. They need a congressional presence before anyone should take them seriously in a president race.

    • Heck, she could even try to get on the ballot in all 50 states! The Green Party is pretty much just an every 4 year thing. Seriously, I can’t recall too many local candidates running on that line (unless it’s a cross-endorsement), in fact, it’s virtually non-existent from that standpoint. Basically, they’re a vanity party, they run a “name” candidate for a national office, and wank themselves over how pure they are.

      • LA Julian

        Stein can’t even get on the ballot for local government in her home state! Let alone run for Congress! And that truly ought to be easy, given how small MA is, but it does require a bare minimum of effort. Stein is, if possible, even MORE lazy than Sarah Palin.

    • hendenburg2

      No. They need city council experience first.

      For example, one of Bernie’s greatest contributions came when he was the Mayor of Burlington – he helped implement one of the best affordable-housing solutions in the country. Essentially, there was a stock of houses that the city set aside for low-cost housing, with the city owning the land but the people living in the houses owning the building itself.

      • CatCafe de la Resistance

        Of course, he also had a Soviet flag in his office and made visits to the USSR and to the Sandinistas, violating U.S. foreign policy at the time. And dumped Vermont’s toxic nuclear waste in a different small town in West Texas. So there’s that. #NotAFan #HeDidn’tHelp

        • hendenburg2

          Vermont had nuclear waste?

          • CatCafe #ShePurrsisted

            Yep. And three outdated, billion-dollar fighter jets currently housed at Burlington Airport.

    • I Am Helpy

      IMO the biggest problem with the Greens is they don’t actually give a damn about the environment in any reality-based fashion.

      • Stulexington

        Well, our “Green” party was all about legalizing it but yeah, being an advocate for the environment would be good, especially with the coming shitstorm that the EPA is probably going to face. Should be a no brainer for the Green party.

        • I Am Helpy

          Should be but apparently it’s easier just to self-righteously battle imaginary conspiracies, no matter how much harm it does to your professed cause.

    • haroldpp

      I made this very argument to a Green/Stein voter. In response to my query of what the Greens do outside of prez elections, he said they put out a voter rating guide to elections. I was in awe of the passion and activism.

    • I’ve said this for years! The Greens can call me when they actually get an elected seat somewhere. Not before.

    • Pretty sick of the Groan Party in general. At least the Libertarians can win local elections. Do the Groans hold any offices besides like… dogcatcher?

  • ryp

    Dumb as she is, she is still smarter than all the morons that voted for her.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      She got their money, so there is that

      • LA Julian

        And the money of all those deluded Dems who thought that the ‘hope’ she was peddling with her recount was worth more than, oh, non-profits who actually organize to fight Republicans…

        • IOnlyLikeCats

          The recounts found some hinky things and would have gone on if not for the actions taken by partisan hacks.

          • LA Julian

            Not enough to make up for the votes SHE sucked off. Nor the problems of longterm vote suppression. It was a stunt, nothing more.

      • An Outhouse for the Resistance

        and the money from the Republicans that always back the Green candidate.

    • Fartknocker

      Well her experience as a candidate for POTUS has taught her the importance of checking the agenda against the website before purchasing airplane tickets.
      http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/294295-jill-stein-delays-rally-after-landing-in-wrong-ohio-city

    • Sarah Balfour

      They’ll all – or the vast majority at any rate – have been vegan and being vegan really does make you stupid as all the vitamins – and other nutrients – vital for a healthy brain aren’t in plants (humans aren’t meant to be herbivores). I’m talking about B12, vitamin D, cholesterol (a vital substance that your liver produces, and not the cause of heart attacks, strokes, diabetes and obesity or whatever else it gets blamed for), B1, B3, B6, Mn – if they are present in plants, they’re not present in a form we can do anything with). In essence an vegan diet is completely devoid of nutrition.

      There’s plenty more I could say, biut I’m trying to keep the length of my comments down so that people will actually read ’em.

      • Zyxomma

        All of us WISE vegans supplement things like D3 and B12. I just had my first complete physical in years, and all my levels are perfect.

      • Kitty Smith

        Orrrrrr we can assume her stupidity is her being a self-aggrandizing douche.

        • It is almost as if we can talk about subjects without attacking vegans for causing it all!

  • Roadstergal

    I still have not forgiven Viggo Mortensen for going on Colbert in the week before the election and telling everyone how great Stein was and that he was voting for her. Fuck that guy.

    Or Colbert for letting that slide without any comment at all.

    I’m sure that had no effect at all.

    • LA Julian

      Aw, bloody hell. Missed that. Still mad not only at Sarandon, but also at Tom Hanks doing the ‘Everything’s going to be fine bc USA!! Just ignore the fire alarms!’ the week after election, and not a peep since.

      • Roadstergal

        I had a rage stroke and knew I could never again watch LOTR. :p

        • CatCafe de la Resistance

          I shout at him now whenever I even see a picture of him.

    • Darkrose

      I’m not surprised. Viggo was a die-hard Kucinich fanboy back in the Aughts.

      • Roadstergal

        :(

        Still, Colbert – he should have known better than to let that slide. And he spent far too much time prior to that beating the “Trump is crazy, but everyone hates Hillary, she’s just so unlikeable – amirite?”

        I think Clinton would have been a lot more liked if people had focused on who she actually is and what she actually says, rather than the self-fulfilling “she’s not likeable.”

        • Carpe Vagenda

          Colbert has an immense crush on the Obamas and likes to drop dead Hillarys at their feet as a present. I imagine that’s as appreciated as it generally is by the recipients.

        • CatCafe de la Resistance

          100%. I thought the same thing. All his nasty little jokes. He is partly responsible. A number of people in the entertainment community feel the same way, singling out Seth Meyers as someone with the intelligence to see Trump as the menace he is, early on, and with the moral fiber to speak up, strongly, from the start.

        • miss_grundy

          I bet people would love her just about now that we have an asshole man-baby in the White House.

    • CatCafe de la Resistance

      Viggo is also a nasty little anti-Semite. That was horrifying. I was shouting at him, literally shouting, and now shout at Viggo whenever I see him on TV by accident. And yes, I have never forgiven Colbert for letting that slide, and worse, when Hugh Laurie asked Stephen, bewildered, to please explain the astonishing virulence towards Hillary Clinton, which he rightfully said made no sense, Stephen did NOT say “a 30-year smear campaign by right-wing extremists, a craven media, and a nasty streak of misogyny,” but simply “You weren’t here in the ’90s,” as though the smears were somehow accurate. I honestly can’t watch him any more.

  • BearLeft

    “Corporate interests” could not have been better served than they were by Jerk Stein herself. On a silver fucking platter. Now please slither back in the hole you came outa, Jill.

    • I roll my eyes whenever someone runs out the “corporatist” and “corporate interests” line. My usual response is to ask them how their job with a government or charity is going, along with “who is the major employer in your area?” I mean, obviously, no good purist liberal would work for a corporation, and one should always ask our politicians to not pay attention to the companies employing all their constituents!

      • Carpe Vagenda

        or has a portfolio full of defense stocks and big pharma instead of socially responsible funds because the perfect is the enemy of the good.

      • CatCafe de la Resistance

        Right? It’s like how they attacked Hillary bc employees of large banks and investment companies supported her, never mind that that’s because THEY WERE HER CONSTITUENTS when she was a Senator, and the reason Bernie had less support is that THERE ARE NO LARGE BANKS OR INVESTMENT COMPANIES headquartered in Vermont.

        • I saw that back when the ACA was being put together, and all the purists were having screaming conniption fits about one democratic representative being against the tax on medical equipment, which was one of the things being proposed to help pay for it. I live in the next district over, and I knew exactly why he was fighting it … three of the biggest employers in his district were medical equipment manufacturers. The same thing now for Schumer as it was for Hillary. It’s easy when you don’t live in NY to rant about Wall Street and the banks. If you do, (and I do live in the state) you realize that Wall Street is one of the larger employers and a hefty part of the state and city tax revenues. I also noted that Bernie was a pretty solid supporter of Lockheed, which just happens to have a plant in … Vermont.

          • CatCafe de la Resistance

            Right? And as I recall he has three military jets stored at Burlington Airport.

      • BearLeft

        Give your eyes a break and try to wrap your mind around the concept of an idiom. There is a big difference between Joe’s Shitburgers, Inc., and Citibank. I don’t think many would confuse their respective interests. One of the lies peddled by the GOP in its attempts to line the pockets of their clients, er, constituents is that all partnerships are small businesses — including international law firms with hundreds of partners. When people like Jill Stein talk about “corporate interests,” it should be obvious to all that she’s not talking about Jeanette’s Dog Jewelry Corp. She’s talking about Monsanto, Exxon, AIG, and the like. Is it that fucking difficult to comprehend?

        • Frankly? Bullshit. I’m aware of the spin, but even major corporations are big employers, and major economic engines in areas, in fact, often in reliably “blue” areas. You think Microsoft isn’t getting attention from Washington’s senators and representatives, or Google isn’t from California’s? It’s practical politics, and a reality. It’s easy when you’re not from that state or that corporation doesn’t have a presence in it to do that purity chest-beating. That’s why I point at Bernie, who was supposedly the epitome of purity. He’s a big supporter of Lockheed’s F-35 program. Why? Well, Lockheed has a plant in his state. You ever want to look at his stands on dairy farming? You might note that Ben & Jerry is now owned by a major multinational, but I’ll bet he’d fight anything that might cause them to move things out of Vermont.

  • Hairstrike Alpha

    Hey Gary Johnson knows more than Trump! Gary is dumb but he wouldn’t have put Pepe the God damned Frog on the NSC because he’s too lazy to read his own executive orders. Also, his pants are not like Centralia, PA. permanently on fire like Trumpus…

    • CatCafe de la Resistance

      Well, be fair, Trump isn’t just lazy, he’s also illiterate, so he CAN’T read his own executive orders. What could go wrong?

    • unionthuggery

      Not a Gary Johnson fan, but yeah, smarter than Trump.

      • UpstateNYObserver

        Yeah, but he’s a fucking genius of con artist – like none other and we’re all screwed for it too.

    • phoenix00

      Trump hasn’t a clue what Aleppo is, so you might have a point.

  • Carpe Vagenda

    Snort.

    Scott woke up cranky.

  • haroldpp

    That trip Stein took to Russia? Paid for by Russia Today, the propaganda arm for Putin. They also paid for Flynn to go. While Flynn is an active dupe of the KGB, er I mean Putin, Stein just a dupe.

    edit: apologies can’t remember the source for that claim, but she did speak at an event sponsored by RT. And one of the ways Russia interfered in our elections was to target far left leaning youth. Stein as a part of this plan.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/heres-how-jill-stein-helps-putin-promote-his-right-wing-agenda-to-the-american-left/

    • C4TWOMAN

      It would not surprise me one bit. Russia Today built a reputation among the radical left. I wouldn’t hold this against them because anyone can be duped. But after the Crimea thing, where RT star reporter Abby Martin was shown to be a conspiracy loon, you’d think people would get a clue.

  • pgjack

    And Stein’s lack of qualifications were apparent during the elections but twits who bought the lies about Hillary and the lunacy that the Democrat and Republican Parties are the same are just as dimwitted as Stein so they threw there votes away.

    • Pierre_de_Fermat

      “The Parties are just the same” … Didn’t we test that in the aftermath of the 2000 election? Is the idea the scientific method requires the experiment be reproducible? So we need to rerun it just to be sure? In retrospect, GWB ran an administration of excellence in comparison to this one — and it hasn’t even been a month.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    Why did the Patriots win the Superbowl? Because Democrats serve corporate interests.

    • phoenix00

      Why did Yemen withdraw permission for US special forces to execute missions within the country? Because Democrats serve corporate interests.

      • Lord Jim

        Why did Obama never approve the mission during his term? Clearly, corporate shill.

        Hm, let’s try some more:

        Why does the toast always land butter side down? Because Democrats are corporate whores!

        • Katie B

          Why is Stein’s coffee cold? Because Democrats serve corporate interests!

  • Roadstergal

    Those who speak French (not me) say that this article says that the French intelligence agencies suspect that Putin is trying to get Le Pen elected. Can French-speaking Wonkers confirm or deny?
    http://www.rtl.fr/actu/politique/marine-le-pen-la-russie-pousserait-sa-candidature-selon-la-dgse-7787143387

    • C4TWOMAN

      The article doesn’t mention Putin by name, only Russian intelligence and hacking. But otherwise more of less correct.
      Mind, my French is far from fluent, barely above primary school level. But I can scan text for basic meaning.
      Last paragraph via online translated(ymmv):

      “According to the DGSE, the Russia will support the candidacy of Marine Le Pen “sur social networks, thanks to computer robots that will generate positive messages by the thousands. Or by revealing the data and confidential emails to its adversaires “.” Contacted by RTL.fr, Vice President of the national Front Florian Philippot says relying on “the state to secure the election presidentielle”. ” He also pointed to the smell of complotisme “forte that regne”. “

      • Roadstergal

        Thanks, I’m leery of online translators without some knowledge of the language. :)

        Well, I’m sure that report has nothing to do with anything.. certainly not our politics…

        • JoeChristmas

          Laissez-les manger du gâteau au polonium.

          • CatCafe de la Resistance

            Bring on the tumbrels

    • She and many on the far right have been getting financing from Russia for years.

    • Sarah Balfour

      That’s what it’s saying, but it’s hard to take seriously as Le Canard Enchaîné is a satirical publication (the French equivalent of our Private Eye). The best way to translate it I think (my head is barely working in English, so fuck any other language) is that it’s wondering if Putin will attempt to influence the French campaign, as he did in America.

      Kind of a satirical ‘conspiracy theory’ (for want of a better phrase, but many a true word has been spoken in jest an’ all that…).

      That help? If I get my head into the right gear, I could probably translate the whole article in around 15-20 minutes, if you’d like…?

      • YayConspiracy

        Le Canard Enchaîné may be satirical, but they did some serious journamalism on Fillon. Finding out that the sanctimonious prick paid his wife and children for existing.

        • Jerry Noneofyourbizz

          And what is satire if not a funhouse mirror reflection of what is really happening? If there is no truth to it, it wouldn’t be satirical.

        • Mehmeisterjr

          Yep, they have a long history of outrageous puns but also a long history of accurate investigative journalism. including, back when I first encountered it, an exposé of Giscard-d’Estaing’s bribe-laden relationship with Emperor Bocassa.

          I would take any of their assertions regarding Putin and the Lepenistes seriously, given their track record.

      • Private Eye is taken seriously, because even at a satirical level they still do quality journalism.

    • CatCafe de la Resistance

      I’m sure that’s what’s happening. I think Putin is behind all the surge of right wing extremists. It accomplishes exactly what he wants–to weaken the NATO states.

    • h4rr4r

      You don’t need to speak french to understand that.

      It is the same thing he is doing to all the NATO nations.

  • C4TWOMAN

    Who says Amway doesn’t get you to the top?

  • Chadwells

    To answer the headline: Yes. Bigly. Unpresidentedly.

  • Sarah Balfour

    is Jill Stein vegan? Because it really would explain as lot.

    Also, too! Stein is German for ‘rock’.

    • Zyxomma

      No, she’s vegetarian. I, however, am a Hillary-voting, Climate and Women’s march attending vegan.

      • Sarah Balfour

        You’ll be stupid enough to vote for her come 2020. Evidently as you voted for HRC you’ve still some smarts left. I’d have voterd for Bernie, personally, but I’m not American.

        Please reconsider your veganism. It’s not healthy for you or the planet.

        • cinesimonj

          Oh fuck off.

        • Kitty Smith

          The fuck is wrong with you?

        • phoenix00

          Please cite your claim that veganism is “not healthy for you or the planet”

          Otherwise buzz off prick.

        • BouncyFlyer

          [citation needed, not from the meat industry].
          I’ve been a vegan for most of my adult life, and I’m in pretty damn good shape for someone approaching fifty. I stay fit, I don’t do drugs (save for caffeine, alas my one vice) and try to watch the sugar intake. Oh yeah, I wanted Bernie too, but you go with the choices you got that’ll work, not the choices you want (and you know won’t work). Stein is a farking twit, and your ragging on non-meat eaters for some nonsense reason is putting you dangerously close to that category, too.

          • cleos_mom

            Maybe you two could meet at dawn for a duel.

          • BouncyFlyer

            A re-enactment of the Fish-Slapping Dance, maybe!

    • cinesimonj

      Hey someone else with Stein’s mental agility. Yay.

  • Mike Steele

    Hey, Evan: Since Stein, Johnson & Co., inc. brought us the Reich, might we not declare them both persona non grata AND “those who shall not be named”, ergo ignoring (and not re-tweeting) their blah, blah until their next disruptive endeavor? Huh? Pretty please w/measles vaccine on it?

  • goonemeritus

    Fuck her, I will be dropping Jill from my Christmas card list.

    • phoenix00

      Will be?

  • goonemeritus

    When 1% of the country votes for you it is clear that you have a mandate to speak for the other 99%.

  • BMW

    Between Stein and Carson, I am losing faith in America’s medical profession.

    • Belasaurius

      I’m now performing my own surgeries

      • Dudleydidwrong

        When I’m finished with “Neurosurgery for Dummies” I’ll lend you my copy.

        • Pilotshark

          just stay at a holiday inn express, that is what Carson does.

    • SandyTodd

      Look up Oregon’s Senate candidate from a few years ago, Monica Wehby, a pediatric neurosurgeon. You won’t even freaking believe it. You will do background checks on doctors, or join Belasaurius, and consider doing your own surgeries. Oooh, I could add a local surgeon, who I skillfully maneuvered away from, who said the problem with health care is that horse MRIs are so much cheaper than human. Okay, but then there’s that whole higher standard of care we tend to consider humans are worth. Not him? Yikes. Bye Doc. I can get this colonoscopy later. Hello, front desk, schedule me with that new doctor, would you?

    • Dudleydidwrong

      I’ve got a representative in the US Congress (or Regress) who is also an MD and has the outlook of a demented sloth. I figure that these MDs who enter politics are MDs who couldn’t hack medicine as a profession and looked to politics for low-hanging fruit so they wouldn’t starve or become Walmart greeters.
      (My apologies to sloths; I meant no harm.)

    • cleos_mom

      Apparently Saint Bernard and Saint Elizabeth didn’t. They still haven’t explained that one.

  • BeachLoafer

    The headline’s a trick question, right Evan?

    I’ve got hammers smarter than the two of them together.

    • spacecat in space

      Hammers have the added bonus of actually being useful.

  • Boko999

    But she seems so nice.

  • miss_grundy

    I hate Jill Stein but I hate the people who voted for her even more.

    • UpstateNYObserver

      I’ve been trolled by her supporters a few times. Some even believe that the Trump disaster will magically help the people to see the light and the righteousness of their cause and their dream Nirvana can come to be. They seem to be like left wing survivalists who want the destruction so they can rebuild it to their dream specifications. You can’t fix stupid.

      • spacecat in space

        That whole argument, that Trump’s administration will a-teach ’em, is so soaked in white/able-bodied/non-Islamic/cishet privilege, I can barely step near it without wanting to punch someone. Yeah, sure, “we’ll a-learn somethin'”, mostly after every minority and disenfranchised group has been treated like 3rd class citizens/non-humans (and our national resources have been sold to the highest bidder/best friend). Congrats, you precious fucking assholes. You sure did learn them disabled kids whose rights are no longer protected by the Department of Education, or the Iranian post-grad researchers who couldn’t get back to their labs in the States, or the Syrian refugees and Afghani/Iraqi military translators who’ve already jumped through ten thousand hoops to come to the States who’ve been refused entry, or the brown folks who get the shit beaten out of them by Trump’s Brownshirts for having the temerity to look furrin, or the university researchers who suddenly lost the funding they were granted (and therefore their lab and research so far), or the trans* folks who no longer have any federal protections, or the black families who’ve lost loved ones to racial violence by cops whose cases are now being dropped by the DOJ, or any number of other groups that are not privileged little white shits who live in a shimmery, magical bubble of moral superiority. Thanks for being so fucking selfish, dipnuts.

    • nikkidarlin

      Yeah, worse than Trump supporters with their desire to protect the environment and largely defunding e military industrial complex. What a-holes.

      • King Beauregard

        They have no desire to achieve those ends, otherwise they would work to those ends.

        Instead they enjoy flattering themselves about their high-minded principles. They would see the world destroyed just to feel good about themselves. Perhaps they have.

  • King Beauregard

    The one observation I can make about this is, this is almost EXACTLY the same thing that happened roughly a million times during Obama’s term. Democrats want something worthwhile but don’t have the numbers to best the Republicans, the Republicans win, and the Left blames the Democrats. The biggest example of this is the public option, where the 58 Democrats were on board (more or less) and Sanders made 59, but Lieberman refused to be vote number 60. Therefore, the Democrats never wanted a public option.

    I’m glad to call Jill Stein out on her blithering idiocy, but must warn that her strain of idiocy is at epidemic proportions on the Left. And it’s nothing you can vaccinate against (not that vaccines work or anything).

    • nikkidarlin

      Jill Stein is not antivax. If you are going to insult someone for being stupid get your facts straight. And I did not vote for her I just hate fake news, particularly that emanating from the false left.

      • Yes she fucking is. Oh, she might not come out and SAY it outright, but she dogwhistles the FUCK out of it to pander to her supporters who ARE anti-vax. And if that doesn’t make her anti-vax, then it makes her fucking worse than anti-vax, because she should know better than to give those assholes one iota of perceived legitimacy in a scientific or medical context. Fuck her, and fuck anti-vaxers, and fuck the Groan Party in general.

        • nikkidarlin

          Calm down there pinhead. She’s not antivax. As a doctor she researched a variety of environmental factors on health and mercury in vaccines, which was a problem at one point, was part of that.

          Look, I’m not saying she’s qualified to be president but all of the candidates (except for Bernie Sanders because he has remained on-topic for 30 years) played to their perceived bases. Hillary even pretended to be progressive and not a socially liberal moderate with a penchant for the military.

          I too think it’s time for a different left third party to emerge but unless we do some soul searching as a country from an electional standpoint, we are going to end up right back here.

          • Thanks for the patronizing and condescending tone… but you’re just fucking wrong. She dogwhistled that shit at the end of July. It wasn’t “years ago”. It was the summer before the eleciton.

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jill-stein-may-not-be-anti-vax-but-shes-pushing-a-dangerous-anti-vax-theory_us_579f885ce4b0693164c1fab4

          • nikkidarlin

            So she did it *while* telling everyone who would listen that she was not antivax? I watched it with my very own eyes. I mean show me some sources, pinhead. I’m done with crap media presenting mushy facts.

          • Apparently you don’t understand the concept of “dogwhistle”. It would benefit you to learn.

          • nikkidarlin

            I do. It’s something only dogs can hear. That said, I was actually listening to what she said. Her words were vastly differed misconstrued in the so called left news media. They reported so called antivax subtext but in reality there was none. I don’t know where you get dogwhistles from someone saying “I’m a doctor, of course I believe in vaccines.”

            Hillary’s camp didn’t want Stein to draw from the base soon the hit pieces were disproportionate from her actual draw. She only marginally “took votes away” from Hillary. The truth is those people would never have voted for her. She only didn’t take more of the vote not because she was “an antivaxxer” but because she was totally unqualified and has no idea how government works.

            Ordinarily, the spewing back of dog poop from the left wing media by those who fancy themselves pundits doesn’t phase me. Now we have the onus to actually make sure that news isn’t fake, thathe our facts aren’t alternative. Despite the fact that other people agree with you doesn’t make what you’re saying real in any way.

          • nikkidarlin

            Also, as a speaker, Stein tends toward nuance. That gets ironed out by the press. But do you WANT potential candidates to speak in easily digestible sound bites or do you think we can be better than that?

            Jill is in no way stupid. She’s definitely not dumber than Devos. She is just grossly underadicated about government.

          • Katie B

            Actually, I want candidates who can speak skillfully to the news in its own language, and that is a skill sadly lacking on the left.

          • nikkidarlin

            There are a handful of left politicians who totally knock it out of the park on issues. Not Jill Stein, obvs. But unfortunately we are in the professional wrestling portion of American politics. Nuance is frowned upon.

          • King Beauregard

            And Republicans routinely deny they’re racist, they just think that it fosters dependence to help those in need. Only stupid people are fooled by the disclaimer.

          • h4rr4r

            As a doctor?
            You mean the people who would be treating not researching it?

            She lends credence to the anti-vaxxer child murderers.

          • nikkidarlin

            No she doesn’t. Loom it up.

          • h4rr4r

            Every dog whistle sure did.

          • nikkidarlin

            As a doftor. Like when mercury was actually a problem in vaccines, she did research on it.

          • h4rr4r

            Mercury was never a problem with vaccines. There was never enough of it to do anything.

            Doctors don’t primarily do research. What grants did she get to study this? What papers did she publish?

          • lynchie

            Socially liberal moderate my ass. A neoliberal who never saw a nation she wouldn’t like to bomb. Who got in bed with wall street and the banks and profited off her various government positions. Please. The demise of the Dem party in the election was the best thing that happened. Now I agree start a third party at the grass roots, local elections, school boards, state elections and work up to Congress and the White House. It will take time because the Repubs are in control for the foreseeable future

          • nikkidarlin

            I was being diplomatic.

      • King Beauregard

        Sure thing, Jill Stein isn’t anti-vaxx, and “Teach the Controversy” types aren’t anti-evolution either.

        It’s been covered at length, that anti-vaxxers can’t deny the success of vaccines any more than Creationists can deny the evidence of evolution in microbes. So instead they make such small concessions as they are forced to (“vaccines have been successful” / “microbes evolve resistance to antibiotics”) and shift their objections elsewhere (“but how do we know they’re safe?” / “but how do we know humans evolved?”).

        The big difference of course is that Jill Stein MD has no justification for being as dumb as she is about medical matters.

        • nikkidarlin

          Have you looked at Snopes? I can’t make people have my experience of watching Jill Stein talk about this very issue but I assure you the media distorted it.

          • King Beauregard

            She is a medical doctor, as she wants us all to know. There is exactly one view a reputable physician should take: “vaccines work, nobody has demonstrated any failure of oversight, take your kids to get their goddamn vaccinations”. Her position is one of Teaching The Controversy — how do we KNOW the FDA isn’t run by lizard people pushing bad vaccines? — and doing what she can to make kids sick makes her a monster.

      • Gregory Brown

        She dog-whistled the shit out of the anti-vaxxers, allowing them to think she was their champion. Go back to sleep.

  • UnsaltedSinner

    I’m continually amazed by the sort of morons who somehow are able to get through med school.

    • Gregory Brown

      My late brother, a psychiatrist, used to say, “Just remember that the doctor treating you may have graduated at the bottom of his medical school class.”

      • spacecat in space

        …at a barely-accredited med school.

    • Dudleydidwrong

      Question: “What do you call the bottom 2% of the med school class?”

      Answer: “Doctor.”

  • Obviously Jill Stein’s brain is vaccine damaged.

    • BouncyFlyer

      But I thought that organic, unfiltered maple syrup was the cure all. It cured that one Canadian kid of life.

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  • Abby Normal

    Shut up, Tofu Palin!

  • Dutchman

    Go home Tofu Palin. You’re drunk!

  • UpstateNYObserver

    Good grief that woman has redefined stupid. Given that I can’t wait to see what Trump appoints her to since he owes her his presidency.

  • DrBigHead

    Is this a trick question?

  • cleos_mom

    Thank God/dess the worshipful interviews on Sirius’ “Progressive Radio” seem to have expired. For now.

  • mary5920

    I think this Stein lady is an archetype representative of people who are just too pure to vote for anyone who doesn’t say the right things, no matter how much that person accomplishes. It’s the people who swung the 1968 election to Nixon because they looked arrogant on the television and hated on Humphrey. The police violence added to the Law&Order Nixon theme but why didn’t these types demonstrate at Nixon’s convention, when Humphrey was also against the war? I only recently found that out, BTW.

    It’s the people who hated on Carter because he didn’t do everything they wanted. Ted Kennedy screwed us out of universal health care, a Carter plan, because he wanted Single Payer. Then we get the Stein/Nader people who only ever rail against Democrats, only appear during the presidential election ignore the mid terms and don’t fight to get local races/progressives to turn out.

  • Jomama Omyballs

    Lawl, everybody knows stupider ain’t even a word!

  • Kevin Taylor

    In a word – yes

    • i’mjustaskingthequestion

      Agreed. All the yes’s.

      And also…Can we please now put to bed, forever, that docs are smrt. Imma nurse, I can tell you first hand…docs have a specific skill set. Outside of that skill set…some of them…wow.

      • lynchie

        Does Dr. Ben Carson make another good example?

        • i’mjustaskingthequestion

          ARRRRRGGGGG!!!

  • h4rr4r

    Uh, they had a tie because they managed to get 2 Republicans to vote with them.

    This was the first time in a long time that the Democratic senators actually had their shit together. That they could not manage to repeat this for Sessions is a fucking tragedy.

    • mary5920

      I guess the Democrats just didn’t have a magical unicorn today.

      • h4rr4r

        All I wanted to see on Sessions was 48 No votes. Them not managing that is pathetic.

        • King Beauregard

          “Them not managing that is pathetic.”

          So 1 Dem voted for Sessions and that makes the rest of them pathetic? Ladies and gentlemen, behold the public that we’re counting on to vote more Democrats into power.

          • mary5920

            Yep. There are issues with the Democratic Party that need changing, but that’s always true with political parties. The people who want to primary Democrats in deep red states simply don’t know what is necessary to bring about progressive change.

            They are in a bubble, and we need to still point this out, because it’s been going on as long as I can remember. Same purity tests, as if every moron voter is going to magically vote for the “best” candidate, McGovern, or Eugene Mcarthy, on into the mists of time. When I looked at some of the attacks on Clinton from the Left, I found that quite a bit of it was exaggeration, outright lies from “Clinton Cash”, or simply holding her to a standard different than they held anyone else. Back to Stein, she has holdings in some of the same companies that she excoriates.

          • h4rr4r

            No, it makes that one Dem and Schumer pathetic.

            Both of them should be primaried against.

  • James Lamere

    Stein and Nader—Egotistical , self-promoting ass-holes that handed the Republicans two elections.

    • King Beauregard

      Sanders too.

      • Actually Sanders did his best to keep his wandering voters in the Democratic fold in the general election.

        • King Beauregard

          He did so only after doing his damage. Closing the door AFTER all the animals have escaped isn’t all that applause-worthy.

          • Lesa M.

            Amen.

          • lynchie

            Yeah Hillary ran a stellar campaign. No ground game in western Pa. No lawn signs, no brochures. I was told write the web site on a post it note and hand that out. Juvenile, entitled, surrounded herself with groupies who don’t know shit about winning an election. Donna fucking Brazille, lost every election she has been involved with.
            The same Hillary who ran a campaign against Trump instead of for her policies and platform. Brilliant and that is why she is sitting in a bed made out of money and weeping

          • King Beauregard

            If all you say is true, then it reinforces how much more damaging Bernie’s previous work was, and how he was morally obligated to work much much harder to undo his damage.

            But he is human garbage so of course he did not.

            So what do YOU think of his 501(c)(4)? I can hear your thoughts over the Internet: “Gotta find a way to spin this such that Bernie isn’t a colossal fucking hypocrite, but HOW???”

          • lynchie

            Show me proof not accusations. That is all you Hillary group have. If only this, if only that. If only she ran a campaign a stuck to the issues. If only she hadn’t picked Tim Kaine who has the charisma of a container of cold noodles. If only. If only she actually went to Wisconsin. If only she put a push on to keep the middle class workers who have suffered under the trade laws. She turned her back and her campaign staff said “don’t worry Hills, we will pick up all the GOP who don’t like Trump. How did that turn out. Keep being delusional you look good wearing it, it is slimming

          • King Beauregard

            “Show me proof not accusations. That is all you Hillary group have.”

            Right, I’ll remember that the next time you morons claim that Bernie would have beaten Trump.

            So tell me about that 501(c)(4) of Bernie’s … I take it you’re in favor of his hypocrisy?

          • lynchie

            So where is your proof. the only hypocrit is a Hillbot who backed a loser. backed someone who thought she was entitled to the job and didn’t want to get her hands dirty. she should have been holding a rally every night of the week, getting the middle class to hear her message or was it that she had no message for them. She wrote them off when she started sucking on the teat of wall street and the banks. How would she have made the lives of the middle class better. she catered to the professional women already established she couldn;t even get behind $15 an hour minimum wage she opted for $10. Whoop di do. She had no real plan to reduce the cost of higher education. She had no real plan to deal with the violence and police on black shootings. Yeah worry about so called Bernie if he did so much wrong and ruined Hillary’s election he must be pretty powerful. Hell she couldn’t even beat Trump. she had bigger negatives than positives and did nothing to endear herself to the middle class and poor and they have been screwed by Dems for the last 25 years..

          • King Beauregard

            Right, I’ll put you down for, “it’s okay if Bernie does it because he is dreamy and perfect and crusty like my Bernie waifu pillow”.

            So did you know that single payer collapsed in Vermont in 2014? I think Bernie knew, he just never bothered to tell you. Did you know that single payer went down to defeat, 79% – 21%, in Colorado this past election? Lost nearly four to one, in a BLUE state. Yeah, that’s how much America would have loved Bernie.

            Face it, Bernie’s a snake oil salesman and you’re a rube. How much did you donate to him? Over $100? Over $500?

          • King Beauregard

            Hey “lynchie”, is your name a reference how Bernie’s supporters were issuing death threats after Nevada? On a scale of 9.9 to 10, how AWESOME do you think it is to threaten grandparents and children?

          • lynchie

            No proof. It is my name. I like Beauregard are you related to Jeff Sessions

        • Maybe

          He really did. Unfortunately some of his wandering voters wandered right ’round the bend and never found their way back.

          Extremists on the left are no more rational than extremists on the right. Though at least extremists on the right understand that turning out and winning elections is really, really, really important.

      • sundaytrucker

        So true. How dare he have the temerity to run against Hillary? Just because it’s a democracy doesn’t mean people should be given choices. Better to let our betters at the DNC make those difficult decisions for us. I mean they’ve done such a bang up job squandering away all the gains made in 2008, they had to have been due.

        • King Beauregard

          Remember Sanders’ pledge early on that he’d run an issues-oriented campaign and avoid going negative? Well he broke that promise pretty damn quick; the whole of his campaign turned into variations of Hillary is corrupt / Hillary is cheating / Hillary is a racist. So by the time he finally conceded — after going back on forth on whether super-delegates were foes of democracy or his potential path to victory — he had convinced his idiot droogs that Hillary and the Democrats were all the enemy.

          Remember Bernie’s lengthy screed justifying the Nevada death threats? That is the man you’re trying to defend. I might have expected a Republican to justify his supporters’ crimes, because we know Republicans have no principles. But then again, neither does Bernie.

          So, what do you think of Bernie’s 501(c)(4)? I thought 501(c)(4)s were An Intolerable Problem, or did that just count before Bernie wanted one?

          • sundaytrucker

            When did he go negative? You mean that time he ran an issue at about Wall St buying politicians and the Hillary campaign cried foul, even though Hillary was never mentioned in the ad? The idiots Hillary surrounded herself with, were the reason she was destined to lose to any Republican. Flawed candidate + dumb staffers = losing campaign.

          • King Beauregard

            You fcking well know that he built his campaign on calling Hillary corrupt, or at least implying the helll out of it. Remember at the debates when Hillary challenged him to come right out and say it if he had something to say, and he responded with a statement about Wall Street must be getting SOMETHING for their money?

            Bernie was a weasel who didn’t have the strength of his convictions to come right out and say it. And now here you are, equally unable to be forthright about your worm of a candidate?

          • sundaytrucker

            So he pointed out she gave a lot of paid speeches to Wall St and HER response was to refuse to release the transcripts. SHE made it look like she had something to hide. HER campaign failed. Why do you have to act like Donald Trump and blame everyone and everything, except the obvious?

          • sundaytrucker

            Not sure how a 501.c cost Hillary the election, or have you already conceded your original argument is a loser?

          • King Beauregard

            I find it’s difficult to argue in good faith with you, so I’m focusing on issues that deal absolutes. And I notice you refuse to answer the question. What’s the problem here, that your piece of crap candidate is a f-ing hypocrite and there’s no way to defend him?

          • sundaytrucker

            What does that have to do with Sanders costing Hillary the election? We are arguing about your original idiotic comment that Sanders cost Hillary the election. Maybe you should talk to your doctor about Ritalin, because you made it exactly one paragraph before losing focus on what you were arguing. 😂

          • Maybe

            I think Sanders is one of our more principled politicians, but he is a career politician and he has compromised himself on occasion. It’s part of the job description. The radical left’s attempt to sanctify Sanders makes no more sense than the radical right’s notions that Trump is a good Christian and a hero of the middle class.

        • Maybe

          But he continued running against Clinton even after there was no possibility he could win the nomination. (And note that if he couldn’t win the Dem nomination he would have had no chance in the national election, where voters are overall less liberal.)

          And Sanders saying that Clinton was unfit to be President didn’t help and is not true. He was playing into the Repub’s memes.

          This election was a zero-sum game. Anything that hurt Clinton helped Trump. Not voting for Clinton hurt Clinton. So yes, Stein helped Trump.

          BTW, you of course have the right to vote for whoever you want.

          You also have the right to take responsibility for your choices and for the consequences of those choices. Whining that it was the DNC’s fault does not exempt you from that responsibility. It was your choice.

          • John Eby

            You mean just like Clinton did against Obama? Because after all Bobby Kennedy was assassinated. Hillary’s famous line there,

          • King Beauregard

            Hillary was likening HERSELF to Bobby Kennedy, you fucktard. Kennedy was continuing to campaign despite being behind, and so was she.

            I remain perpetually astonished at the fucking imbeciles who went all-in for Bernie. How much did YOU throw away on him? $27? $270? More? Bernie’s pal the comic book guy sure made some decent money off you, you fucking rube.

          • Maybe

            Could you vague that up a little?

            Or perhaps I’d rather not know what you’re really trying to say since you seem to be simply an apologist for really dumb election strategies.

          • sundaytrucker

            So you think it was Bernie’s fault…how bout when official Hillary spokesperson Gloria Steinem slut shamed a generation of women by claiming female Sanders supporters were just looking to be with boys, or Madeline Albright said half the women in the Democratic Party were going to hell? Attacking the people whose votes you need, is DUMB. Sander’s campaign attacked Hillary which is fair play, campaigns attacking voters is suicide.

          • Maybe

            I think it was a whole lot of people’s fault. Your implication that I blame Sanders alone is a straw man. All I did was point out some non-alternative facts.

            BTW, comparing a few off-the-cuff stupid things said (we all do that at some point) with an organized, ongoing campaign makes no sense.

            Also BTW, attacking the candidate and party you would prefer to win is DUMBER given that what was at risk was a Trump Presidency.

          • sundaytrucker

            A. Not a straw man argument (read your last post). B. Insisting “thou shalt speak no evil about one’s party” is for Communists and National Socialists.

          • Maybe

            Your post said “So you think it was Bernie’s fault,” which is not what I said. That’s what makes it your straw man. What I said is that anything that undermined Clinton’s candidacy helped Trump. Sanders was just one example. Stein was another. People who could have voted for Clinton and didn’t were a third.

            I repeat, from my earlier post:
            “This election was a zero-sum game. Anything that hurt Clinton helped Trump.”

            As for your comment that “thou shalt speak no evil about one’s party; is for Communists and National Socialists,” that’s just nonsense. It is also not what I said.

            I do think it is stupid to say nasty things about the party/candidate that you want to win. Wait till after they’ve won and then nail them. You have my permission to say all the nasty things you want to about President Hillary Clinton.

          • sundaytrucker

            So your arguement is Bernie contributed to her loss, but it’s not his fault? So why even get involved in my argument with another commentator if you don’t think it was Bernie’s fault?

          • Maybe

            Setting your straw man on fire does not improve it.

            I’ve already answered your whine in a previous post when I said, as follows:
            “I think it was a whole lot of people’s fault. Your implication that I blame Sanders alone is a straw man. All I did was point out some non-alternative facts.”

            As for my getting “involved in [your] argument with another commentator,” you are aware that this is an open blog on the Internet, right? Sounds as though you and your “another commentator” need to get a room if you want privacy.

          • sundaytrucker

            Either you agree with the statement that Bernie was somehow to blame, or you don’t. Those are your only two choices in the argument you felt you needed to chime in on. You can post whatever malarkey you wish on the internet, but you should do that by creating your own thread. Stay on topic when entering other people’s threads, otherwise you look like someone that has no reading comprehension skills.
            If you want to blame Bernie, fine. Bernie didn’t tell her to use a private email server, Bernie didn’t tell her to give speeches to Wall St, Bernie didn’t tell her to call the TPP “the gold standard of trade deals”, Bernie didn’t encourage the idiots at the DNC to ignore FBI warnings that they were being hacked, or encourage them to continue emailing each other about putting their fingers on the scale in favor of Clinton, Bernie didn’t tell her to shift back rightward after the primary, and focus on culling disgruntled Republicans while ignoring progressive Dems, Bernie didn’t tell her that Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania were in the bag. Bernie did none of these things. She and her campaign are solely responsible for those things, not him. They blew it. They lost to the one guy they were praying the Republicans would nominate. They lost to Donald Trump.

      • BWilliamson

        Sanders ran a much more honest campaign than Stein. He likely did wound Clinton but, really, did she need to collect that bundle from Goldman? She wouldn’t have gone hungry.

        • King Beauregard

          “Sure, Sanders ginned up a controversy out of nothing for the sake of craven cynical politics, but if Hillary hadn’t done it, he wouldn’t have been able to gin it up.”

          And people wonder why I question the basic integrity of the Sanders movement.

    • Old Man Yells at Cloud

      Yeah, its all Stein and Nader’s fault. It had nothing to do with the campaigns that Gore and Hillary ran.

      • BWilliamson

        Screw Nader and Stein. Still, gore and Clinton both ran blah campaigns.

    • James Lamere

      One question– do you think the Electoral College is the correct way to elect a President ? What would be your reaction if Trump had gotten 3 million more votes and still lost?

  • catnmus

    You know I love y’all, but Jill Stein did not spoil the whole thing. There is no way to know whether enough of Stein’s voters would have voted for Clinton instead, rather than (a) Johnson, (b) NO ONE AT ALL, or (c) Trump himself. I think Michigan would’ve been the only likely pickup by Clinton because it’s the biggest gap. The other two seem like a toss-up. And she would have needed all three to win the election.

    • King Beauregard

      While we can’t know what would have happened otherwise, the fact remains that she chose to do the wrong thing. It’s not necessary to collect statistics on all the alternate timelines to know that Jill Stein chose to do the irresponsible thing that had no possibility of helping the country but every possibility of hurting it.

      • catnmus

        That is a good point. I still feel like we have to do SOMETHING in this country to break up the two-party system. We’ve lost all our conservative Democrats and all our liberal Republicans and people are forced to make a choice between two extremes. It’s ridiculous.

        • Commentista

          Then BUILD a third party, don’t just pull some random lever for a hopeless savior once every four years and then whine when people call you on it. You might actually have to build a constituency, maybe even run for local offices, before just assuming that all progressives agreed with your buddies. I liked Bernie, but he had zero chance in the election, and he went from Independent, to Democrat, then back to Independent, as soon as he lost the primary. And many of his acolytes voted Third Part even after Sanders himself recommended they throw their support behind HRC. Not to mention that a lot of them were too stupid to make sure their IND voter registration allowed a primary vote in their state. This is not rocket science.

          • catnmus

            Just to be clear, I didn’t vote for Stein (she’s just as much of a nutbag as Kim Jong Cheeto). I wish there were no parties at all.

      • Moar Wordz

        I agree. Spoiler. She’s from Lexington, MA, I think…a town that gives me the heebie-jeebies. The shocked and wounded looks the suburbanites give me when I attempt to turn right on red and stall their crossing on a do – not -walk – sign says it all for me.
        ” How DARE you !!!! I own this street, your car is cheap, and we have all the time in the world bcse we’re very, very affluent. ”
        And when I read a few paragraphs on her parties website I just laughed. And shot off an email asking her and her associates if they had any concrete plans for their Pie -in- the – Sky. I got an email back, it was extremely idealistic but low on strategy.

    • Maybe

      There is also no way to know whether enough of Stein’s voters would have voted for Clinton to give her the win. So it is possible that Jill Stein and her voters did spoil the whole thing.

      With a Trump Presidency at risk, why even take the chance? A two-person election is a zero sum game. Anything that hurts one candidate helps the other. Not voting for Clinton certainly hurt her. And helped Trump.

      Progressives love to rail at Repubs’ ignorance (quite rightly), but at least they’re smart enough to turn out and win elections. I hope progressives wise up to that in the next two years. And that they remember that there is a census and redistricting in 2020. Let’s not give state Repubs a way to reach new heights in gerrymandering and voter suppression laws. (Especially since we will likely have a Supreme Court that will hold their coats and cheer them on.)

      • BWilliamson

        I have elsewhere repeatedly advised the Steinists that they don’t even have to be third party. Many state legislative races don’t have two candidates as it is. The Greens can step right in. But they will wait 4 years and resume the fundraising campaign. So Democrats should step up and fill those empty races.

  • PersistenceFighterCaptainHowdy

    Is she a regular columnist on Huffpoo yet?

    • Maybe

      More likely on FOX.

      • sensfan1301

        I’m sure if they were looking for a new token lefty, they’d choose a “looney left” one…and they’d certainly find a mascot for their confirmation bias with Stein.

  • Cowtownsteen

    …and she already deleted it from her Insta. Someone around her must have informed her she was wrong, again.

  • DahBoner

    Did you hear about the new Jill Stein diet?

    You let Putin eat Americas’ lunch every day!
    https://media1.giphy.com/media/yl7SSAZdR2RSU/200w_d.gif#49

  • John Eby

    Back to the dishonest blaming of Stein. Much like the dishonest blaming of Nader.

    In fact as reported by Forbes Hillary didn’t lose because of the measly votes Stein got it was because she couldn’t get voters out. She lost Michigan because she got 300,000 less votes than Obama in Michigan. From Democrats. The same is true in every state you mentioned. Who would’ve thunk you run the most unpopular candidate the Democratic party has ever run and people stay home.

    Maybe those working class voters voters took Chuck Schumer at his word when he told them he didn’t need them cause he was going to win with moderate Republicans instead. How’d that go again Chuck?

    But no it couldn’t be that. Why to blame the candidate or the party running her for losing is ludicrous. We owed her highness our vote and she shouldn’t need to do shit to earn it. So it’s everyone else at fault isn’t it?

    Oh and when you talk about how different the two parties are you could also try for more honesty there. Trump approved DAPL. Obama wanted to but liberals were going nuts and finally at the last minute he changed his mind. Or I guess he “evolved”. Obama expanded the surveillance state you are so worried about Trump using. Obama aka President Peace Prize also has us engaged in 8 countries while he arms the Saudis so they can continue the genocide in Yemen. One of the most brutal regimes on earth and we keep it humming along. By the way why doesn’t anyone ever ask why Obama didn’t have the country that provided 19 of the hijackers, funded OBL and funds the madrases aroiund the world that preach hate and death to the US on his list? Became Trump used his list after all. I’d say due to lack of principles personally.

    So just like Nader didn’t cost Gore Florida, the 180,000 registered Democrats that voted W did that, Stein didn’t cost anybody dick in this election thewhite working class voters that stayed home did that. The almost 2 million African Americans that stayed home did that. Trump barely got Romney vote levels . So Stein sucks but you can’t really pin this on her well if you have any intellectual honesty any way. But I’m sure you won’t let that get in the way of your silly little jihad. How dare anyone run but the anointed one. What a joke.

    • Katie B

      You know what I’ve noticed? The more anybody purity-jerks about the Green Party, the more of a whiny crypto-Conservative they are. How many greens have I read that AREN’T presenting warmed-over regurgitations of right-wing propaganda? I could count it on the fingers of zero hands.

      • nikkidarlin

        Explain.

    • BWilliamson

      Nader also cost the 4 NH electoral votes, which would have elected Gore. I do not blame Stein, few people really have paid much attention to Steins impact. Clinton ran a poor campaign. That is where the loss was. Stein just ran the usual quadrennial Green Party fund raising campaign.

    • Chris

      Kinda long winded temper tantrum dear. I love how BOB’s are long on ‘earn my vote’ but want free tuition. Doesn’t the cognitive dissonance hurt or is that what the legal weed is for?

    • The Witch of Endor

      So, you’re a butthurt libertarian or berniebro. Now it’s coming together.

      Sweetie, you’ve clearly been around this site long enough to understand what goes on here. Getting all huffy and wagging your finger at us for not taking you seriously seems both a way to try to puff yourself up–to yourself, and an exercise in futility. And yes, I deliberately responded to you on an old thread so as not to clutter things up in the active ones.

      Now, you can do one of 3 things, find a group that’s more to your liking, continue to comment here and have the stick up your ass pointed out and snarked upon, or you could think about maybe removing that stick and learn the joys of snark, dick jokes, and recipes.

      Just a thought

  • John Eby

    By the way for the Bernie haters. A higher percentage of Bernie’s voters voted for Hillary than Hillary supporters voted for Obama in 2008 according to exit polling. So you can stop that whine as well.

    • Sounds good but were those not the numbers in those 3 states? I know Gary Johnson likely took votes for Trump so what if he didn’t run either. What if he didn’t run because Stein didn’t run. Hey, what if we had a run-off in America. Is that too much to ask? And end the Electoral College, another problem?

    • BWilliamson

      Don’t buy it but also don’t see any Bernie haters. Now Stein….

    • Maybe

      Few of us hate Bernie. What we hate is that Trump got elected and that anyone who undermined Clinton helped him. Saying Clinton was unfit to be President undermined her. Suggesting she is dishonest and not to be trusted undermined her (and also came straight from the Repub playbook).

      By the way, the tone of your post was kinda whiny.

      • King Beauregard

        I hate Bernie for being dishonest from start to finish and building a cult of personality when he should have been thinking of the good of the country. Also I couldn’t help but notice that his oh-so-progressive campaign finance technique was just a rebranded variant of the televangelists’ money-making grift — and yes it became a grift after Sanders realized he had no way to win, right around the time he did a 180 on superdelegates.

        I don’t hate all Bernie supporters. Those who switched to supporting Hillary — actually supported her rather than cutting her down at every turn — are not subhuman filth. The rest of Bernie’s team number among the forces who helped put Trump in power because they are worthless little bitches who should take a long winter swim in the Flint River.

        • Maybe

          I doubt very much that Sanders foresaw that his campaign would in the end help Trump. I do question his continuing after he was mathematically eliminated, but he was probably trying to advance the progressive cause.

          Of course, he is a career politician, so I am sure he was trying to advance his career too.

          At this point I do want to attach some kind of stigma to progressive who eat their own. Anyone who reinforced the Repub memes that Clinton is dishonest and not to be trusted helped Trump. Anyone who bought into smears and slanders claiming she was a Wall Street puppet (her Senate voting record shows otherwise) is also to be blamed. Finally, every person who could have voted for her and did not should be held responsible for the horrible choice they made–helping Trump was a horrible thing to do. Those who blamed Clinton for their choice not to vote for her add cowardice to stupidity.

          After Nader in 2000 and Stein et al. in 2016 I am fed up with so-called progressives who keep foolishly acting in the interests of the radical right. Either get a clue or take up another hobby. Macrame would be pretty harmless, but you should avoid knitting–you are not to be trusted with pointy objects.

          • King Beauregard

            “I doubt very much that Sanders foresaw that his campaign would in the end help Trump.”

            If he didn’t see it, it was was willful blindness. Lord knows plenty of us mere mortals foresaw it.

            I agree 400% with everything else you said though.

          • Maybe

            I believe that he thought it would push the Dems towards the liberal side. I’m all for that, though I don’t think Sanders’ method was ideal because he used the primary.

            And I can’t entirely blame him for not seeing that it would help Trump. Right up to the election I felt sure that Clinton would win. The 2016 outcome was a bombshell.

            I do appreciate that Sanders in the end supported Clinton vigorously. The fact that some of his followers did not indicates that they were never really his followers. I find the Alt-Left to be just as ridiculous and destructive as the Alt-Right, though on a much smaller scale. Both of those groups want their own way, 100%, no compromise. Their nominal goals are different, but their tactics are the same. Neither side has any common sense or any tolerance for views that are not as radical as their own.

          • King Beauregard

            Matter of opinion, but I know that, were I in Sanders’ shoes, I would not have run a campaign of smears. I would not have accused Hillary of corruption without being able to demonstrate that her votes were influenced by donors. I would not have accused Hillary of racism over the 1994 crime bill when my own comments were just as racist (which is to say, probably not dog-whistling at all, but could be interpreted as such if one were motivated to see things that way). I would not have said that Hillary was unfit for the presidency; Rather than poison my fan base against her, I would have reminded them that Hillary would be a very good president, but I would be an exceptional one, and why not vote for the best?

            I almost wish Bernie had won the primary, so he would have lost like 49 states, and we could all point the finger at him as the cautionary tale he ought to be. Instead his idiot cult of personality thinks that they were right all along, the 79% – 21% defeat of Colorado’s single payer notwithstanding.

  • Panika MCD

    1) last VP senate breaking vote was 8 years 11 months a 6 days prior to this one. thanks, OHJB, for keepin’ it classy!

    2) I wonder where DeVos stands on the vaccine schedule and requirements that public school children be vaccinated. maybe that’s why Soylent Stein is upset. I couldn’t find anything with a cursory search and am too distracted to do a refined search. anyone want to grab this one by the plunger? no? I guess I’m too late.

    3) maybe I’m getting it backwards. maybe Stein’s tree house is full of Amway products.

    • Maybe

      Technically Stein is not an anti-vaccer. She only plays one on tv. She has said that vaccines are valuable, then follows it up with prose from the anti-vaccer’s manual. All politicians pander, but that’s an ugly one.

      • Panika MCD

        she pretty much says what Jenny McCarthy said word for word. find a new place to troll.

        • Maybe

          Your post is somewhat obscure, but I think you are saying that Stein has repeated what anti-vaccer McCarthy has said and that makes Stein an anti-vaccer.

          Nope. It makes her a politician who is pandering to a certain group while maintaining a balancing act to protect herself.

          Stein also said this: “I think there’s no question that vaccines have transformed public health and have been absolutely critical in ridding us of the scourge of many diseases: small pox, polio, etc. So vaccines are an invaluable medication,” Stein said.” (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jill-stein-may-not-be-anti-vax-but-shes-pushing-a-dangerous-anti-vax-theory_us_579f885ce4b0693164c1fab4)

          Perhaps you should find a new place to spew.

          • Panika MCD

            http://wonkette.com/605001/dr-jill-stein-pandering-to-anti-vaxxers-because-she-is-awful

            and does it really matter if she believes it or she’s pandering to those people? it’s still stupid. and so are you!

          • Maybe

            Yes. Facts matter. Truth matters. Figuring out where politicians really stand on issues can help predict how they will act on them if they get elected. What they say does not always indicate what they will do.

            I’m not sure what the “it’s” refers to that you call stupid, but note that Stein got a lot of mileage and support out of her stand. Politicians like that sort of thing. The tactic may be dishonest, but not really stupid if it helps her get what she wants.

            Have you ever considered taking a writing course to improve your style and your ability to communicate? You are currently one step away from gibberish.

  • BoGardiner

    We need to stop repeating that “the Green Party considers the parties the same.” It’s much, much worse than that. The correct statement is:

    “the Green Party considers Republicans better than Democrats.”

    While they do often say they’re the same, this is overshadowed by their statements expressing a preference for Republicans. There are many, many such statements from Ralph Nader, Jill Stein, Stein’s running mate Ajamu Baraka, other Green leaders like the 2016 social media campaign director.

    • BWilliamson

      The Green Party also prefers Putin to ….. you name it.

    • Yep. A mentality confirmed and espoused by High Priest of Contrarian Pomposity:

      https://theintercept.com/2017/02/09/tom-perez-apologizes-for-telling-the-truth-showing-why-democrats-flaws-urgently-need-attention/

      One can spend all of one’s time and energy denouncing Donald Trump. But until the systemic causes that gave rise to him are addressed and resolved, those denunciations will do little other than generate social media benefits and flattering applause from those already devoted to opposing him. Focusing on and attempting to counter the fundamental flaws of the Democratic Party is not a distraction from #TheResistance; it is a central priority, a prerequisite for any kind of success.

      Yes we are now at a point where the Democrats are considered a greater threat than the poo-throwing Trumpanzee we foolishly put in power (all because Hillz didn’t use her vast array of Professor Xavier-like mental powers to force us to make better decisions since we are apparently to infantile to accept the repercussions of our own choices. For shame, Clinton!)

      Of course I’m one of those “coastal elites” (who is also a “poor” but I’m not some ignorant “Bubba” stereotype from Cliche Valley, OH. so…) who thinks that the “central priority” of resisting Donald Trump is ACTUALLY resisting Donald Trump. Of course I was one of those “meaningless” popular votes for Clinton, which means that my opinion as a citizen apparently is null and void.

      • Maybe

        So true. I don’t understand people who expect to find themselves a perfect candidate or a perfect political party to represent them. If they want a perfect candidate, maybe they should run themselves, right? Oddly, they never do. They’d rather carp and criticize and whine about being undervalued. And they really seem to believe that the Dem party should represent only their views and not those of other Dems.

        People looking for perfection or purity should not look in politics. Politics has never been pure. Never will be. It’s what you get when you combine people and power. If we can make some progress then we’re doing well.

  • Old Man Yells at Cloud

    While I wish Stein would shut up and go away, I think her point was that had the Democratic party leadership not been the corporate whores they are, then there would have been a majority of Democrats in the Senate so DeVos would have never come up for a vote.

    • BWilliamson

      So that’s why Greens couldn’t get behind Russ Feingold? Greens are generally ineffective and useless. At other times they just fuck up.

  • AlanInSF

    Hearing that Hillary might have nominated former NYU President John Sexton for education secretary reminds me of why Jill Stein was a thing in the first place.

  • Poor, Jill. Apparently she and her party sucks so hard that the short attention span of faux-gressives has inspired them to try to create a new party to do what The Greens were suppose to be doing:

    http://observer.com/2017/02/nick-brana-new-progressive-peoples-party-bernie-sanders/

    And of course since they can’t give adequate support to the other parties that already exist, you can see how this makes sense! (I know, I know, there i go assuming that faux-gressives actually want to acvomplish things again.)

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