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Glenn Greenwald and Kellyanne Conway, who ostensibly are not on the same side, but who are birds of a feather when it comes to soul-less hacks-manship, are not happy about the intelligence dossier on Donald Trump’s mutually beneficial relationship with the Kremlin, which is also full of stories about Trump getting either peed on or at least catching some spray from the pee of Russian hookers, as he clapped his small hands together and his tiny boner peeked out of his ill-fitting suit pants, ALLEGEDLY.

Greewald and Conway are both like “UM AS IF” and saying things about how “PFFFFT this is fake, because the old spy who produced the intel didn’t even sign his name or say who he got his information from.” Let’s remember that the guy who supplied this information is an old former MI6 guy, a person held in high esteem by the American intelligence community for producing good intelligence. Let’s also remember that Old British Spy Guy is not the only source on this.

So, BEARING THAT IN MIND, the question, as we see it, is, are they both, in their own ways, actually part of the scandal, or are they, in fact, too fucking stupid to know what spies do for a living and how they work?

Serious question!

Here is what Glenn Greenwald had to say about it:

“An anonymous person, claiming to be an ex­British intel agent & working as a Dem oppo researcher, said anonymous people told him things,” wrote Glenn Greenwald, the journalist who was instrumental in publishing Edward Snowden’s leaks about government surveillance.

This, from the guy who thinks Julian Assange and Wikileaks do “vital” work, who acts totally lovey-dovey with Russia because of his boy Edward Snowden (despite how Putin is known for going after journalists and gays, both of which Greenwald is), and casts aspersions on anyone who would suggest that they leak things, sourced through actors whose names we do not know, for any but the noblest reasons.

Now, here’s Kellyanne Conway, speaking to Seth Meyers, who is apparently one of our greatest journalists these days:

kellyanneseth

Without transcribing all of that (there’s a lot going on today, kids, gonna need you to watch the videos, HEART YOU!), the key line from Kellyanne Conway is this:

Guess what hasn’t happened, Seth? No one has sourced it. They are all unnamed, unspoken sources in the story. […] Nothing has been confirmed.

NO, REALLY, DO THESE ASSHOLES NOT KNOW WHAT SPIES DO FOR A LIVING? The entire nature of spy-work is that people, often very covertly, cultivate sources, who Did Not Have The Conversation They Just Had, because if they actually had that conversation on the record, they probably would be killed dead by some government or another. Intelligence is an art, and it doesn’t traffic in Christy told Jenna that Barbara was having a party but Heather is not invited, and here is the paper trail of birthday invitations that shows you with 100% certainty that it happened that way.

We think Glenn Greenwald and Kellyanne Conway know perfectly well what spies do, but are acting willfully stupid, because their allegiances are not to America. Conway’s allegiance is to her bank account, and Greenwald’s allegiance is to whatever the raccoons who live inside his brain are telling him to do that day.

Some perspective, from Paul Wood, Washington correspondent for the BBC:

The rumours or the allegations or whatever you want to call them have been circulating for a number of months now. I saw the report, compiled by the former British intelligence officer, back in October. [WONKETTE REPORTED ON IT NOVEMBER 1!] He is not, and this is the crucial thing, the only source for this. I was also told by a man I’ll call a member of the US intelligence community back in August that he had been told, by the head of an East European intelligence service, that the Russians had kompromat or compromising material on Mr. Trump.

It’s very, very difficult, of course, to talk to US intelligence people. They’re breaking the law if they talk to you. But I did ask somebody with connections in the CIA to pass a message to them, and I got a message back that there was allegedly more than one tape, not just video, but audio as well, on more than one date, in more than one place, in both Moscow and St. Petersburg.

Now, having said all that, nobody has seen this tape. We’re talking about intelligence here, and nobody should believe something just because an intelligence agent says it, still less an anonymous agent. But it is viewed as credible by the CIA, and that’s why it landed on President Obama’s desk last week, on the desk of the Congressional leadership, and was given to Mr. Trump as well. And even Congressional Republicans are talking about investigations, and Democrats, I know, are talking about impeachment.

So no, the dossier isn’t signed in pee by the MI6 guy or all his sources, because that’s not how any of this works, but it’s considered legit enough that the U.S. intelligence community is standing at attention, and so is much of Congress, from both parties.

We’re just curious how much of this Greenwald and Conway already knew, considering his association with Wikileaks and her seat at Trump’s feet. Maybe Conway has been kept in the cold, as she was brought in to replace Paul Manafort when he was pushed out of the Trump campaign (officially), on account of his ties with Russia.

Maybe the Trump team kept Conway clean, and she’s really just an ignorant ass trying her damnedest to spin this. Or maybe she does know stuff, and she’s just as much of a craven liar as her boss is.

As for Greenwald, meh, shut the fuck up.

[New York Times / BBC]

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  • monoglot

    I prefer my intelligence locally sourced and sustainable…

    • Hobbes’ Evil Twin

      don’t forget gluten-free, dolphin safe and free range.

    • SpideySenser

      Organic AND hand-crafted.

    • Jeffery Campbell

      Locotelligence

      I’ll see myself out…

  • Hobbes’ Evil Twin

    “… despite how Putin is known for going after journalists and gays, both one of which Greenwald is and one of which Greenwald pretends to be)

    FTFY

  • Daisy

    Racoon libelz.

  • msanthropesmr

    I thought this would begin. I don’t think that this is coincidence that after Trump talked about shaking up the CIA that this leaks in a bigly way. I’d like to think that he is now well and truly fucked.

    • Mr. Blobfish

      Trump ain’t not so smrt.

    • YoNastyBunny

      “Who’s the joke now, motherfucker?”
      ~CIA… probably

      • msanthropesmr

        Probably? No, definitely.

    • Incoming (AKA Large) Ham

      I don’t understand why he would mock the crocodile before crossing the river. It’s just a bad idea.

  • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

    I’m pretty sure James Bond didn’t sign his reports either.

    • chortlingdingo

      Well Bond wasn’t a spy though. He was more of a secret agent. More about solving problems than collecting intel.

      Disclaimer: While I have watched every Bond film, I’m infinitely more familiar with the novels, from which the above is based. ;)

      • Celtic_Gnome

        I’ve read the books, but I have not seen all the movies because, you know, Sean Connery.

        • chortlingdingo

          Sean Connery because you don’t like him, or Sean Connery because he’s the One True Bond?

          I personally prefer Timothy Dalton.

          • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

            Love this.

            I’m a Craig fan myself. Meow.

          • chortlingdingo

            I like Daniel Craig too!

  • frrolfe
  • Swampay

    Fer cryin’ out loud, we can’t let “allegations” of Soviet Russian influence on the president-elect interrupt the coronation! We can discuss it afterwards. Maybe. When the PEeOTUS is in charge.
    ETA: …and the congress can fire a civil servant at will under the Holman act.

  • beavertank

    Allegedly, Trump’s alleged boner is so small and sad that it allegedly couldn’t even tent the front of his allegedly poor fitting alleged suit let alone allegedly stick out of it.

    Allegedly.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      And I bet his stream ain’t worth shit either.

  • Nockular cavity

    “if they actually had that conversation on the record, they probably would be killed dead by some government or another.”

    Pshaw! Not Vlad. He’s a pussycat! Oh, and polonium is good for you.

  • fawkedifiknow

    These allegations would be dismissed out of hand for just about any other politician. But when you have a guy who has the history of Trump, and video of what he is willing to say and do in public, I would believe these accusations until proven false. The burden is on him and his apologists, not the other way around.

  • DoILookAmused2u ?

    Trump on TV decrying fake news, then turns around and spreads misinformation/fake news and cites mischaracterization of hacked email contents?

    lol

  • President in Exile Firefly

    Paying hookers to pee on a bed just because the Obamas once slept in it…
    Yeah, that sounds like Trump.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      I know. Even with Ted Cruz, I’d question that one, but not Trump.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Maybe if Trump didn’t push all that birther crap he’d get the benefit of the doubt.

  • Painter of Goats

    If James Bond was “double-O-seven”, can we call this M6 guy “double-eau-de-toilette”?

    • PubOption

      They say he is an ex-MI6 guy. It seems that he got the Axe.

      • DahBoner

        Never heard of retirement?

    • schmannity

      Double entendre.

    • beavertank

      Real spy work isn’t as glamorous as the movies make it look. Apparently it involves more peeing than I would have expected.

  • kindness

    “Mr. President, do you know the difference between a chickpea and a garbanzo bean?”

    “No.”

    “Well, have you ever had a garbanzo bean on your face?”

    • The Wanderer

      As any watersports enthusiast will tell you, “‘Tis better to be pissed on, than pissed off.”

  • Michael Smith

    “Grandpa, how did the Civil War of 2017 start?”

    “Well, a very bad man was elected president who paid hookers to pee all over a bed, and who paid foreign agents to spy on his opponent.”

    “That’s disgusting. But how did that lead to war?”

    “Well, that bad man had a large group of followers who believed that those things weren’t as bad as having anyone else be President.”

    “What did the other candidate do?”

    “She had a private server that she used to store some emails from work, and she wasn’t supposed to do that.”

    “Wait, I’m confused.”

    “Yeah. Yeah. I know.”

    • Résistance Land Shark
      • Thaumaturgist

        The emails, THAT WAS ILLEGAL. What Trumps’ guests did in the Russian hotel room was state sanctioned. Completely different.

        • Celtic_Gnome

          Now there’s one contractor I bet Trump didn’t stiff.

      • Thiazin Red

        I might have put down more canned water than that Dad.

        • onedollarjuana

          Maybe there are some Russian hookers in there, and if things get tight they can always drink their …

      • Bad Tom

        Remember to turn that crank every so often.
        Or you all will die. No, not with votes, from suffocation.

    • Jeffery Campbell

      Funny…assuming there are survivors.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    The Ruskies say they didn’t do it. What more do you people want?

    • Jon Sussex

      To avoid the splashback?

    • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

      Just wondering what Pooty-Poot’ll do when he decides he’s made a terrible mistake. Announce an investigation has shown it’s all true, appoint a scapegoat, have him shot, and hope for the best from Preznit Pence? And can he get enough on Pence to make the gamble worthwhile?

      • boredcatlady

        Well, if you look at Pence’s policies, it’s not a hard stretch for him to be deep-closet gay. Don’t know if anyone’s ever been blackmailed for something like that, though. ;)

        • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

          My goodness, no one would ever do a thing like that…

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “You have always been at war with Eastasia, comrade.”

  • Crystalclear12

    I am glad this is what she will be remembered for.

    how is that school search going now?

  • Thiazin Red

    Seriously what is wrong with Greenwald? I don’t remember him always being this bad. How does he have a such a hard on for Putin when Putin is pretty cool with killing journos and gays?

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “The important thing is that my smug sense of superiority has successfully defended my enormous ego.”
      — Glenn Greeenwald

      • Vincent Ricola

        Correct answer.

    • TJ Barke

      Glenn’s too blinded by Russia’s criticism of american imperialism.

    • MΩebym

      Someone posted an article about Snowden, Assange, and Greenwald the other day that points out their heavily libertarian leanings.

    • Red Town

      Perhaps he’s embarrassed at having been so thoroughly played by the Kremlin, by bringing Mr. Snowden and his many stolen files to Wikileaks in the first place – Julian is kinda tight with Vlad.

  • MynameisBlarney

    What in the literal fuck happened to Greenwald?

  • SpideySenser

    And the groups behind Hillary Clinton yada yada yada. They just never get tired of the Hillz Bashing, do they?

    • Marceline

      Nope. It’s sense memory to them now.

      • SpideySenser

        IK, R? Total lack of imagination.

    • MΩebym

      No. I wouldn’t be surprised if they fapped to thoughts of Hillary being punished in some way.

  • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

    “Who is Number One?”

    I guess now we know…

    • Jamoche

      I am not a number!

      • onedollarjuana

        Trump is No. 1. Vitter is No. 2.

        • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

          WHO DOES NUMBER TWO WORK FOR?

          Just bite yr lip and give em hell!

      • Scopedog

        I am not a number–I am a pee man!!

  • The Wanderer

    These idjits (they’re too dumb to be honored with the appellation “idiot”) have no idea what an actual spy does, or how they might be able to let some data out discreetly.

    I cite a statement from the Vietnam years: A CIA agent was asked what the agency was doing. His response was, “You don’t know; you don’t WANT to know.”

  • goonemeritus

    I’m not saying that Glenn was in the splash radius per say but his consistent obfuscation on all issues related to Trump and Russia make me curious about his dry cleaning expenditures.

  • schmannity

    This is why it was always so easy to unmask the Mission Impossible plots. Targets only had to read the forward, acknowledgements, and footnotes to figure out the scheme and who was behind it.

  • Thiazin Red

    Shouldn’t a journalist understand about protecting sources, or does that not matter when its about his imaginary boyfriend Putin?

    • Résistance Land Shark

      No, it’s because he’s an imaginary journalist.

  • Gert

    I guess we just have to believe everything the Central Lying Agency tells us, huh? Just like in the run up to the Iraq debacle, amiright?

    Seems to me the real partisan idjit is Evan here, not Greenwald.

    Go on, call me a ‘troll’ now, you know you want to,

    • Thaumaturgist

      No. We don’t have to believe anything the Central Lying Agency tells us. We just have to believe everything Trump tells us, because Trump’s word is golden.

      • TJ Barke

        A veritable shower of truth.

        • Oblios_Cap

          No leaks in his administration, nosireebob.

    • Ricky Gay

      hmm, Central Lying Agency. Just add ‘lamestream media’ and SOME CAPS and then maybe.

      • And misspellings.

        • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

          Vagenda of Manocide.

      • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

        And explanation points!!

    • HazooToo

      No. You’re not a troll. You’re an idiot.

      • JMP

        They can be two things!

        • HazooToo

          Hypothetically yes. However, trolls tend to have more stamina, or at least more verbal diarrhea.

      • Oblios_Cap

        “A idiot”. FIFY.

    • MynameisBlarney

      You don’t even rate as a troll.

      You’re just a dumbass.

    • Kiri the Resistant Unicorn

      You’re not a troll, you’re just wrong about the WMD intel. Go read the Downing Street memo again, and come back when you’re able to use the phrase “cherry picking” in a complete sentence.

    • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

      In the Iraq War blame hierarchy, the CIA and DIA rank below Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Powell, and if you don’t know that you haven’t been paying attention. Their intel was ignored time after time when it didn’t fit the narrative. So you’re all for ignoring them some more? Yeah, that’s a plan…

    • calliecallie

      Don’t you talk that way to Evan! We love Evan.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      Not worth the effort, you aren’t.

      • Oblios_Cap

        at least not a very good one.

        • Celtic_Gnome

          Aw, come on. If you don’t call him a troll, he doesn’t get his bonus from Vlad.

    • TJ Barke

      No, let’s believe everything that the viper pit that is Trumpenfuhrer’s inner circle says.

    • JMP

      Well you a troll, so yes. Hell, you’re even repeating lies from Trump, if you remember in the run up to the Iraq debacle what actually happened was that the Bush administration ordered them to find evidence that they had weapons of mass destruction, to which the CIA investigation returned a “Maybe, we don’t know” which the administration then spun into “this means they definitely have weapons of mass destruction!”.

      It wasn’t the CIA who fucked up there, liar. And yes, Greenwald, who has become a useful tool for the far right, is just a total idiot who should never be trusted on anything.

    • Thaumaturgist

      Can Trump qualify for a security clearance before these issues fully have been investigated?

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      You’re not a troll, you’re just silly. You got the wrong agency, you goofball! We’re talking about the CIA, not the CLA. You silly goose.

    • Edith Prickly

      What up, Trollie McTrollerson?

    • keenanjay

      Tired of hearing this, so going to correct you. It was the cell, set up at the behest of Dick Cheney, that twisted “reports” into conclusions and “actionable” intelligence meeting the neo-cons requirements for a go to war rationale. CIA probably knew fully well that Saddam didn’t have any nuclear capability but kept its collective mouth shut to stay in favor.

  • Thaumaturgist

    Are Trump’s “guests” going to pee on the beds in the White House? Cuz Obama slept in those beds too.

  • boredcatlady

    Oh god, the right wing memes on inauguration are gonna be pretty fucking disgusting

  • DahBoner

    Spies can’t reveal their identities or the identities of their sources because they’ll get murdered, dumbasses. 😀

  • Martini Ambassador

    When you’re absolutely certain that Hillary Clinton is running a child prostitution ring out of a pizza parlor because some guy on the internet thinks so, but just can’t be sure about reports coming from multiple intelligence agencies, you might just be a willfully ignorant partisan shill.

    • MΩebym

      Or you just might have an irrational hatred for that person.

      • Celtic_Gnome

        Or you might just be a dumb fuck.

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          • HorseChestnut

            Speak of the dumb fuck, and it will appear…

  • Bozilingus

    von Clownstick still not finished peeing down our legs and telling us it is raining. Sad, bigly.

  • Ah, yet another wonderful Wonkette moment where I spray tea on my monitor from laughing; this time it was when I read “…and Greenwald’s allegiance is to whatever the raccoons who live inside his brain are telling him to do that day.” Thanks, Evan, for the laugh!

  • Thaumaturgist

    And I have spent the last several years thinking Trump was a No. 2 artist.

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    “I’m sorry 007, but until you bring me verification from a second, non-anonymous source, or a sworn statement, I just can’t authorize you to kill anyone.”

    • Me not sure

      A license to spill?

      • proudgrampa

        OK, Me, we got it! ;-)

        • Me not sure

          Edit function failure. Worse than erectile disfunction. Not that I would know firsthand.

          • Naytch

            Ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for Disqus.

    • Me not sure

      License to spill?

  • Beowoof14

    These two assholes only like spies whose reports support their political opinions.

  • MynameisBlarney

    NYT Goes there.

    Treason.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-intelligence.html?_r=0

    Like we’ve been saying all along.

    • Martini Ambassador

      LOCK HIS TRAITOROUS ORANGE ASS UP, GAWDAMIT!!!

      • MynameisBlarney

        And all his cronies too.

    • MΩebym

      Robert Reich (former Secretary of Labor in Bill Clinton’s Cabinet) did as well.

    • HazooToo

      It’s not really all that toothy, in the article. I wish they were more assertive.

      • MynameisBlarney

        Yeah, me too.

        • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

          Give em a little more time. They’re actually trying to be decent journalists. We have no idea what’s happening behind the scenes. It took Kurt Eichenwald several weeks to compile evidence about Trump’s charity scam.

  • Lefty Wright

    I think Evan hit on the main problem with most members of the Republican Party and especially their leadership. Their allegiance is not to America, it is to the Republican Party.

    • Marceline

      Yep. I don’t even consider the GOP an American political party so much as an occupying force.

    • MΩebym

      The Founding Fathers had concerns about political parties. If only they were alive to see what’s happening…

    • MannyHo

      Wow. The projection is strong with this one. Congratulations. You just described the Democratic party to a tee. You know…. the party that’s constantly going around burning American flags. Yeah… you guys sound super appreciative of America. 😂😂😂

      • peteywheats

        How many American flags do you believe were burned in the USA in 2016? Just give me your best guess #. I’m assuming it’s in the millions, because almost half the country are democrats and they are “constantly” burning flags. You tell me, how many do you think we burned in 2016?

        • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

          I’m a Democrat and I had my daughter walk our flag down to the American Legion for respectful disposal. Generalizations are bullshit.

      • ResistanceFighterCaptainHowdy

        God damn, you are a real fucking moron.

  • JMP

    Well it’s not like spies who expose some of Vladimir Putin’s sinister secrets have been known to suddenly die from polonium poisoning or anything.

    • h4rr4r

      I want you to know that all your posts in my head sound like Soundwave G1.

      • JMP

        But the avatar is Shockwave, not Soundwave!

        • h4rr4r

          I just noticed that.
          Holy crap,this will change everything!

          You did a terrible job protecting that space bridge.

  • calliecallie

    I have a sudden urge to watch All The President’s Men again, and to pick up some John LeCarre novels for weekend reading.

    • MynameisBlarney

      I read “Little Drummer Boy” a few months ago.
      That was a damn good read.

    • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

      I’ve been watching Bond movies a lot lately…

  • ConnieHinesDorothyProvine

    Give Drumpf time and he’ll demand that Brazil’s president – the one installed after the parliament ordered Dilma Rousseff out of office under peculiar circumstances – arrest Glenn Greenwald. The talking pumpkin already called for Edward Snowden’s prosecution.

    As for anyone who’s called Greenwald a member of the alt right, remember that Greenwald is in a same-sex interracial relationship with a man who just got elected to office as a socialist. The right wing has as much love for Greenwald as they do for Michael Moore

    • jesuswasablack

      “As for anyone who’s called Greenwald a member of the alt right, remember
      that Greenwald is in a same-sex interracial relationship”
      And your point is?
      http://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Milo-Yiannopoulos-e1469037534579-800×430.png

      • MΩebym

        And don’t forget the Trump-supporting interracial gay couple who beat up a protester.

    • HazooToo

      I don’t know much about him, but if he’s taking KAC at her word, I am troubled. So many members of the press are apparently still having a hard time figuring out which side of the fence they should be on.

    • JMP

      At yet Greenwald keeps doing everything he can to help the far right in the US, because he is a moron.

      • Oblios_Cap

        And the left wing think he’s a jackass that needs to STFU.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Counterpoint to your last assertion: Milo.

      The right is perfectly happy with narrative-affirming tokens.

  • goonemeritus

    Thank God Trump wasn’t president in 1941.

    • TJ Barke

      There’d be nazis on the moon…

      • Vecchiojohn

        And not just the dark side of the moon.

    • Bub the Hoohah! loving Zombie

      Or October 1963. Anyway, if Donnie had been president in 1941 I’m sure he would have had a cozy friendship with Hideki Tojo and a company making money hand over fist selling scrap metal and oil to the Japanese so that they could keep their war machine well equipped as they rolled over the British and Dutch colonial possessions in SE Asia. No embargo for Donnie and his pals – there’s MONEY to be made!

  • proudgrampa

    lick·spit·tle
    [ lik-spit-l]
    NOUN
    1.
    a contemptible, fawning person; a servile flatterer or toady.

    Remind you of anyone?

    • Bub the Hoohah! loving Zombie

      AOT, K

  • Ellen D.
  • Jonny On Maui

    OT: WTF is up with snow? Cold, wet, nasty and far too slidy. You mainland folk need to get this shit under control.

    • proudgrampa

      Oh, shut up.

    • Mary Sandoras

      Welcome to the mainland. :)

    • Thaumaturgist

      If the snow is wet and slidy it isn’t cold. Moisture content of snow drops with temperature. You don’t get dry snow till the mid to lower twenties. The way you’re describing the snow, you’re prolly right around 32.

    • Bub the Hoohah! loving Zombie

      Try coming to Winnipeg. We have mountains of it right now, and it’s -25 degrees at the moment.

      • Jonny On Maui

        I’m sorry. I don’t believe that temperature exists outside of a laboratory…

        • Bub the Hoohah! loving Zombie

          We usually get into the mid -30’s at least a few times each winter. I used to fuel airplanes in -60 degree wind chills. I found it quite bracing.

          • Once when I lived in AK a friend and I were walking out to our cars after work. -20 degrees, 30 mph wind, blizzard conditions with snow falling sideways. He looks at me and says “Come to Alaska, they said. It’ll be an adventure, they said.”. We both burst out laughing.

        • The rest of the country calls it Winterpeg

      • NastyBossetti
    • Vecchiojohn

      Portland is a fucking winter wonderland today.

      • Nounverb911

        The sun’s about to come out Seattle…

      • Celtic_Gnome

        Columbus, Ohio is in the 50’s and raining. We decided to switch weather with Portland on a dare.

    • proudgrampa

      For the record, you made me laugh, you son of a gun.

      Any rainbows on the property this morning?

      • Jonny On Maui

        Don’t know. Have to ask the SIL and she’s still sleeping…

        • proudgrampa

          Well, I expect a full Maui Rainbow Report. When available.

    • C4TWOMAN

      I like it–assuming I have nothing to do. I’m making a snow kitty. Had to take a break to dry out tho.

  • Greg Comlish

    This article is a major distortion of Glenn’s positions. It is a huge disservice to associate Glenn Greenwald, a Pulitzer prize winning journalist, with Kellyanne Conway.

    • msanthropesmr

      I don’t think so. Both self aggrandizing. Both contribute to the death of democracy in the US.

      • Greg Comlish

        Not in the slightest. You know what contributes to the death of democracy? The ubiquitous surveillance state, the massive and lawless use of drone assassinations, failure to uphold our laws such as those regarding torture and the financial fraud that stole more than a trillion dollars from working Americans.

        Are you happy about that? Are you happy that Donald Trump is inheriting an insane amount of executive power? Are you happy that the same torturers and banker-thieves that Obama repeatedly refused to prosecute are going to be in charge?

        Glenn Greenwald and the Intercept have been dogged about holding Obama accountable for his administration’s failures. Consequently, Glenn get a lot of shit thrown at him by political hacks. They never engage Glenn substantively, but attack him with the same book of tricks: distort his position, associate him with villains, and other baseless ad hominem attacks.

        • msanthropesmr

          Your reply is “both sides do it” malarkey. Glenn Greenwald gets crap because his bias is apparent in the method in which he chooses to divulge information.

          • Greg Comlish

            I just made a list of specific failures of the Obama administration. Are you claiming those failures are “Malarky”? Or perhaps you believe it is “Malarky” to report on those failures because the GOP is inherently worse?

            Maybe you believe in giving the Dems a pass. I think that’s a very foolish strategy and I appreciate Glenn Greenwald’s work to hold the Dems accountable just as he did for the Bush administration and just as he will continue to do for the next administration.

          • msanthropesmr

            If you don’t see the difference working with the banks and appointing them directly to cabinet positions, I really can’t help you.

          • Greg Comlish

            I recognize the difference between committing a crime and failing to prosecute that crime. I also recognize the difference between failing to prosecute a crime, and actually prosecuting crime.

          • La Cieca

            May I just speak for everyone here and say, “Give it a rest, Glenn?”

          • You did not make a list of Obama’s failures, actually. You mentioned about the bankers going free, but that is not so much a list as pointing out this thing he did not do.

          • Greg Comlish

            And then there was everything else I cited in the second sentence of that post. Do you need to me to put it in a bulleted list format?

        • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

          Greenwald doesn’t get people to engage with him substantively because many of the sources he cites to in his walls-of-text are anonymous, from dodgy or incredibly biased sources, or were written by himself. That, and he’s an extremely unrewarding person to debate with, as he himself indulges in self-righteous ad hominem/guilt by association and holds the people he’s opposing to absurdly high standards of conduct, while ignoring or explaining away the lapses of the people upon which he depends for most of his information.

          Fine, Obama could have prosecuted the torturers, thrown the banksters in jail for… something I’m sure (they crashed the economy pretty much legally, you know) and dismantled the surveillance state. And the Republicans would have taken back the White House 4 years earlier. Just because he didn’t hit every box on your personal to-do list doesn’t justify making common cause with the enemy of liberalism itself, as Greenwald has.

        • C4TWOMAN

          “associate him with villains, and other baseless ad hominem attacks.”

          Does not know what an “ad hominem” attack is.

          Allow me to demonstrate:

          “You are wrong, Greenwald is a political opportunist. And you’re stupid for defending him.

          “You are stupid and therefore your defence of Greenwald, a political opportunist, is wrong.”

          One of these is an “ad hominum”. The other is simply uncivil and rude.

          • Greg Comlish

            ad ho·mi·nem
            ˌad ˈhämənəm/
            adverb & adjective
            1. (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

            Both of your statements were ad hominem attacks. One of them was directed at Glenn Greenwald and one of them was directed at me and Glenn Greenwald. Neither sought to engage the actual facts or reasoning used by Glenn in his argument. Honestly, I don’t even think you or most other readers could even identify what Glenn’s argument even is.

          • C4TWOMAN

            Sorry, simple name calling is not Ad homenin. Otherwise it would simply be a synonym for rudeness.

            http://skepdic.com/adhominem.html

            Ad hominem is Latin for “to the man.”
            The ad hominem fallacy occurs when one asserts that somebody’s claim is
            wrong because of something about the person making the claim
            . The ad hominem
            fallacy is often confused with the legitimate provision of evidence that a
            person is not to be trusted. Calling into question the reliability of a
            witness is relevant when the issue is whether to trust the witness. It is
            irrelevant, however, to call into question the reliability or morality or
            anything else about a person when the issue is whether that person’s
            reasons for making a claim are good enough reasons to support the claim.

            The bits where you seem to be confused are bolded/underlined.

            You’re welcome.

          • Greg Comlish

            At no point did you “provide evidence” that Glenn Greenwald is not to be trusted. Nor does it matter if you trust him or not since he is not acting as a “witness”. Glenn is making an argument based entirely on facts within the public domain, he is not testifying to his personal experience. If you respond to Glenn’s argument by attacking Glenn that is, by the very definition you cite, an ad hominem attack.

          • C4TWOMAN

            At no point did you “provide evidence” that Glenn Greenwald is not to be trusted.

            Your reading comprehension seems to be going. At no point was I debating you at all. I was pointing out your objections to Wonkette’s coverage were inaccurate on the point of “ad homenins”.

            You are of course free to have you opinion about Greenwald and believe people critical of his are Evil Incarnate, especially in these noncomments. But your use of “ad hominem” (technically should be “ad hominem fallacy”) was incorrect.

            Your confusion is also called the ad hominem fallacy fallacy:
            http://laurencetennant.com/bonds/adhominem.html

            Now you can go forth and disagree with people/articles/pot plants at least using your disparaging terms correctly.
            =^-^=

          • Greg Comlish

            I was pointing out your objections to Wonkette’s coverage were inaccurate on the point of “ad homenins”.

            You certainly thought you were correcting me. Except you don’t know what you’re talking about it, you misunderstand the references you cite, and you’ve used three different spellings for the phrase “ad hominem”. You don’t seem to understand what would constitute a substantive counter-argument or what Glenn’s argument even was in the first place.

          • C4TWOMAN

            Except you don’t know what you’re talking about it,you misunderstand the references you cite, and you’ve used three different spellings for the phrase “ad hominem”.

            This is what is making some people(looking at your feed) think you’re a troll. There’s all kinds of trolls, the inflammatory ones you mention , the “concern trolls”, etc. After being shown point blank how ad hominem works and how you’re not doing it right, you fall back to implying the fault is I don’t understand BUT you refuse to use the sources to prove this, instead focusing on the person you disagree with. YOU, sir, are very close to performing an actual ad hominem.
            And then you follow it up with a spot of Grammar Nazi-ing, which LOL I admit I am the world’s worst speller. See how easy it is to admit flaws?
            This is why you’re coming off as a troll to some people.

            Looking at your feed, this wasn’t always the case. So I suspect you’ve become overly emotionally invested in Greenwald and are taking it personally when people criticise him. This is an unhealthy mindset. Disagreement is one thing. Defending Greenwald as if he’s your personal buddy shows you’re too close to the issue.

            I can relate because I went through something similar with Assange. Except I didn’t project logical fallacies on people or ‘defend my man, right or wrong’. I started to examine the evidence, and, very reluctantly, had to admit the facts show he probably did rape someone, and, even though Wikileaks did some good once, now Assange is more interested in acting out as an iconoclast than helping people.

            Greenwald is showing all the signs of someone on the same trajectory. Instead of taking a “Leave Greenwald Alone” attitude, you should probably examine the facts media organizations cite that make Greenwald problematic. If you find yourself dismissing ALL those sources as “the evil mainstream media is in collision” or some such, be aware that is a dangerous, reactionary, and cultish mindset, that could lead to an isolated world view. I’ve know hard core left anarchists sucked into this shit, to the point they make excuses for the alt-right right because “the MSM is in on it” and that’s somehow more important than the fact they’re freaking Nazis.

            It seems this exchange has ceased any possibility of being constructive, so I’ll wish you luck and be on my way.

            =^-^=

          • Greg Comlish

            After being shown point blank how ad hominem works and how you’re not doing it right, you fall back to implying the fault is I don’t understand BUT you refuse to use the sources to prove this, instead focusing on the person you disagree with

            I’ve read and responded to all your citations of the phrase “ad hominem”. When I respond, you ignore my reasoning and simply reiterate that I don’t understand the phrase ad hominem. You understanding of ad hominem is wrong, your reasoning is wrong, your examples are wrong, and the very definition that you cite makes this very clear.

            Actual Examples:

            Greenwald: Alice’s saw Bob steal her lunch
            Response: Greenwald is a liar

            Response is an ad hominem attack because it is directed at the author and ignores the substance of the author’s argument.

            Greenwald: Alice’s saw Bob steal her lunch
            Response: Alice is a liar

            Response is substantive, not an ad hominem attack, because it is directed against the argument, not the author.

            Responding to Greenwald’s argument by calling him a liar or questioning his trustworthiness is definitely an ad hominem attack. Reading the very definition you posted makes this clear.

          • C4TWOMAN

            Yep, I’m wrong. I’m a bad person. Bye.

          • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate
          • Greg Comlish

            I provided a reference to a dictionary to address somebody who challenged the definition of a word.

        • keenanjay

          I used to like him ages ago, then I realized he was a self-righteous little bitch. So now, not so much.

        • La Cieca

          Could this be any more transparent?

    • clubseal

      Don’t bother; they hate Greenwald here at Wonkette because he isn’t slavish to the Democrat cause.

      You’d bet they’d be on board if an anonymous “ex-spy” was circulating rumors that Barack Obama was seen communing with the tree gods though…

      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        We hate Greenwald here because he’s that particular kind of self-righteously high-horse lefty that, because the most potentially viable means of electoral success doesn’t hit every box on his personal checklist, it’s every bit as bad as the other side and he won’t ever lower his standards THEY’RE JUST AS BAD HAWN HAWN HAAAAWWWNNN.

        And it’s “Democratic.”

        • Personally, I do not hate him. I just happen to consider him an opportunist first and foremost and forever.

        • clubseal

          And that’s why making insinuations that he is a Russian spy is ok.
          I think you’re confused about his point … holding everyone to the same standards, no matter the letter after their name, is not the same as saying “both sides do it.”
          It’s not that hard to understand, except for you, I guess.

          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            We’re not insinuating he’s a Russian spy. We’re outright stating that he’s willing to work with people like the Russians because he sees the United States as a greater threat to world peace, a time-honored tradition known as the “useful idiot.” And he most emphatically does *not* hold everyone to the same standards; the point is he holds one side to a ridiculously high standard while disregarding the fact that he’s actively colluding with those who are far worse.

            I think you’d understand that too, if this wasn’t happening to be goring one of your particular sacred cows. And if you weren’t, like Greenwald, a blind-spotted git.

      • If an anonymous ex spy was circulating rumors that Obama was seen communing with tree gods, Glen would publish it and scream about how it is PROOF! of all he has been saying.

        • clubseal

          I know you’re smarter than that; maybe you just have never even read any of his work.

      • Scopedog
    • Yr. Gma

      Is our trolls learning?

    • Scopedog
  • JMP

    They’ve learned from Dick Cheney and Scooter Libby’s example that if an undercover agent reports something that’s politically inconvenient to you, you’re supposed to publicly out them.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    The Spy Who Derped Me

  • onedollarjuana

    But what does David Vitter think of all this?

    • Nounverb911

      Depends?

      • JustDon’tSayOverrated

        iswydt
        But then we all did, prolly.

  • Robert James Nugent

    I hate to say it, but Seth Myers IS our best journalist.

    • proudgrampa

      I know, right? And he’s buried in late night purgatory.

  • Carpe Vagenda

    but again, unlike Obama, Putin and Trump are extremely supportive of Glenn Greenwald’s marriage.

  • Oblios_Cap

    Greenwald is an idiot and KaC is a bad liar. Both give cover to the cheetostained shitgibbon. Whose “performance” just now pretty much confirmed the fact that he’s a blithering narcissistic idiot.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Also, too, the only plank in the Republican platform the Trumpers cared about and wanted removed was about Russian in Crimea. Pivot!

  • Hairstrike Alpha

    Yep it’s all just a coincidence, nothing to see here about Russia and Trump. EMAILS! WHAT ABOUT THE EMAILS! LOCK HER UP!

    • keenanjay

      Even with CHEMTRAILS, it’s remove a few consonants and you have “EMAILS!”

  • tihond

    Starting to think the son on “The Americans” grows up to be Glenn Greenwald.

  • Unpresidented Ron

    And again, what will it take before these people (not GG and KaC, they’re just Useful Idiots) get rounded up and grilled for 72 hours straight? Hell, if this was France they’d have already had ‘traffic accidents,’ and on less evidence. But no, people still figure Donnie’s going to take office on the 20th.
    Should we be worried that the crazy is airborne and will infect Canada as well?

    • HorseChestnut

      Hell, we had to sit through eleven goddamn shitfucking hours of assholes grilling Hillary Clinton about NOTHING. And Trump gets off with a five-minute weakass softball presser. With applause! The double standard is not subtle.

  • WiscoJoe

    So, Glenn Greenwald is launching a war on whistleblowers? How pernicious!

  • Lucas Foxx

    Anonymous people tell Glenn Greenwald things all the time that he has no shame publishing.

    • Peter Simon

      Give me one example.

      • Lucas Foxx

        What flavor do you like? Birtherism? Obama’s anti-semitism? Obama as worse than Bush? Hillary is a Neo-con? Snowden’s patriotism? New World Order conspiracies? Look no further than the Intercept, where no sources are ever linked.

  • Lori

    “Greenwald’s allegiance is to whatever the raccoons who live inside his brain are telling him to do that day.”

    Greenwald’s allegiance is to his self-image as a contrarian and to his hatred of the US intelligence services, a hatred which oddly doesn’t seem to extend to the spy agencies of Russia and China.

    • Erala Contratista

      Raccoons are wily, intelligent, and not given to being as silly as Mr. Greenwald on a good day.
      Apologies to raccoons everywhere, including the one under my deck (it was pouring rain).

  • BadExampleMan

    “…Putin is known for going after journalists and gays, both of which Greenwald is…”

    You must admit you batted .500 on that one.

    • Bitter Scribe

      Yes. Sneering at journalists does not make you a journalist.

      • BadExampleMan

        And thank god, sneering at Greenwald doesn’t make me him.

  • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

    Dear Glenn

    Blasphemous Rumors.

  • unionthuggery

    Spies always sign their work.

  • WiscoJoe

    Ratfuckers. Ratfuckers. Ratfuckers.

    I don’t know what’s worse… Liberals who don’t know what ratfucking is, or deny that it exists. Or the liberals who respond to ratfucking by bending over, grabbing their ankles and begging for more.

  • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

    But cheering for the CIA and its shadowy allies to unilaterally subvert the U.S. election and impose its own policy dictates on the elected president is both warped and self-destructive.

    We are not cheering the CIA. Why do you support the FSB? Go to hell Glenn.

    https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-dems-cheer/

    • Greg Comlish

      Glenn writes an article criticizing the actions of intelligence community and in the minds of people like you that automatically translates into support for the FSB. Glenn doesn’t even mention the FSB. He doesn’t say anything positive about Russia or Putin at all. But he criticizes Democrats and that’s all it takes for some people to label him a Kremlin-stooge.

      • Chyron HR

        So when do you expect Messiah to get around to criticizing anyone other than the party that literally controls no part of the US government?

        • Greg Comlish

          Look at the most recent article Glenn has authored. He says The “Trump presidency poses grave dangers.

  • C4TWOMAN

    “Guess what hasn’t happened, Seth? No one
    has sourced it. They are all unnamed, unspoken sources in the story. […]
    Nothing has been confirmed.

    Keep being you Kelly, that’s all we needed to know.

  • Bitter Scribe

    Of course this couldn’t have been brought out before the election because that would be so unfair to Trump.

    Plus it might have distracted from EMAILS EMAILS EMAILS!!!!!!!

    • Scopedog

      Abso-lutley!

  • Peter Simon

    Oh NO….they do understand. Spies mislead and lie to people and to their goverment ocassionally like it happened before about the WMD in Iraq.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Spies can only report information. It’s not their fault if, like the Bush admin. did, their information is twisted to provide the answer that their higher ups wanted.

    • WiscoJoe

      I was protesting against the Bush administration’s deliberate lying about the intelligence about potential WMDs in Iraq even before the launch of the Iraq War. Meanwhile, Glenn Greenwald was still in his “I still gave the administration the benefit of the doubt” and ” I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to” stage.

      If you think what “happened before about the WMD in Iraq” is grounds to discredit people’s viewpoints on intelligence, then it’s fair to say Glenn Greenwald has no credibility discussing matters of intelligence. It’s up to you to decide for yourself.

  • WiscoJoe

    I’ve seen this play out before. Greenwald will spend the first few years of the Republican administration giving them the benefit of the doubt and deferring to Trump’s national security judgment. He’ll run interference and obscure scandals in anyway he can. He’ll cash a bunch of checks from Fox News and right-wing think tanks. He’ll focus his criticism on how Democrats are to blame for not doing enough to prevent anything bad that Trump or Republicans do. He’ll take gigs speaking in front of young progressive groups where his main message will be “punish the democrats.” Then at some point he’ll go HAM on the Trump administration and claim that he was against them from the start. He’ll promote his “conversion” to being a hardcore Trump critic into more paychecks and adulation from liberal elites. Maybe he’ll win some awards. Then he’ll use his position as a respected thought leader on the left to help elect more Republicans by convincing liberals that political engagement or voting or democracy is tantamount to losing your righteous radical individuality. Ratfucker.

    • He’s always been a sociopathic shithead. As I’ve pointed out in the past (along with others) it’s always amazing at how he’s all for “human rights” and “freedom,” when it comes to the US, but manages to blithely wave aside those considerations when it comes to other countries – including the one he’s currently living in (Brazil).

      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        Well duh, it’s not like a guy as fastidious as him would be caught dead near a favela.

      • CottonBlimp

        It was clear from the day when he responded to the Charlie Hebdo murders by posting anti-semitic cartoons drawn by NeoNazis. Because apparently it needs to be explained to him the difference between making fun of a powerful ideology and joking about the extermination of people because you consider them subhuman.

        Greenwald is a pseudointellectual hack.

    • Greg Comlish

      That is utter bullshit.

      “Greenwald will spend the first few years of the Republican administration giving them the benefit of the doubt and deferring to Trump’s national security judgment”

      Are you fucking kidding me? The entire animus of Greenwald’s career has been his fundamental opposition to the national security state. He excoriates Trump on a regular basis. Your story about Greenwald is a pure fantasy.

      • WiscoJoe

        Actually my story is based on things I’ve observed first-hand throughout Greenwald’s career. I’ve been reading him regularly since the Bush administration. This is what he’s done in the past. I predict this is what he’ll do in the future. I’d love it if he proves me wrong. We need people to forcefully and honestly oppose abuses and mismanagement of our “national security state” (or any powerful institution, foreign or domestic, state, corporate, or otherwise).

        My concern with Greenwald is that he’s what Orwell referred to as a “negative Nationalist.” That is his fundamental opposition to the national security state is so fundamentalist that he’s willing to obscure facts, launch smear campaigns against other activists/journalists, or jump to the defense of indefensible power merchants as long as it backs up his own absolutist, fundamentalist agenda.

        Also, please keep in mind that Greenwald has become an incredibly wealthy and influential political figure who regularly wields his massive power to advocate for his own beliefs. As such, I think it’s imperative that we all remain skeptical of his actions and his analysis, just as we should be of any individual or institution with immense power and a massive media platform.

        (PS: I went to see Greenwald speak in Madison, WI only days after Scott Walker was elected our governor. His speech was paid for by a right-wing think-tank. The audience was mostly young liberal and libertarian students and activists. Greenwald’s central message to the crowd, again immediately following the election of Scott Walker, was that we all needed to “punish the Democrats.” If you think Greenwald coming into Wisconsin and calling on young liberals to “punish the Democrats” in the face of Scott Walker’s election has anything to do with his fundamental opposition to the national security state, I’d love an explanation. From my perspective it was classic ratfucking motivated by Orwellian negative nationalism.)

        (PPS: Yes, my story is speculative. I’m using my historical knowledge of Greenwald’s consistent behavior to jokely predict how he’ll act in the future. I suppose that is “pure fantasy.” If you take umbrage with my criticism and my polemic warning about the future behavior of a powerful political figure, I’d encourage you to apply the same level of skepticism and opposition to Greenwald himself. I’m just a lone dude in Wisconsin with a Disqus account. Greenwald is the person in power. It’s up to you to choose your battles. Good luck!)

        • Greg Comlish

          Perhaps instead of making all sorts of unverifiable and subjective accusations you could actually link to any of the blogs that Greenwald has authored since October 2005.

          • WiscoJoe

            Nah, Google is readily available if you’re interested in Greenwald’s long career (which started before 2005). Have fun. There’s a lot of stuff out there. (Nice ad hominem attack though. I’m not sure what that was meant to accomplish. But at least you avoided addressing any of my actual criticisms.)

            I totally agree with you about not liking unverifiable and subjective accusations. I hope you hold Greenwald to the same standards you hold his amateur, powerless, working-class critics!

          • Greg Comlish

            Greenwald started his public writings in October of 2005 with his blog Unclaimed Territory. Prior to that he was a litigator. (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Greenwald)

            From the very first post Greenwald went after the Bush administration. The reason you don’t want to link to Greenwald’s mythical past where he allegedly lauded the Bush administration is because that past doesn’t exist. It’s a fiction invented to discredit Greenwald among establishment Democrats.

          • peteywheats
          • Greg Comlish

            You’re citing a slimy line of attack on Greenwald that only emerged in the immediate wake of the Snowden revelations. Throughout the entire Bush administration, nobody in the liberal intelligensia had any concerns about Glenn Greenwald’s views prior to his public career. Only when Greenwald criticized Obama did people retroactively decide that Greenwald was a stooge for Bush.

            The link you posted suggests that Greenwald was a supporter of the Bush, but it fails to mention that the citation itself is from “How would a Patriot Act”, a 2006 book that excoriated the Bush administration, the GOP-led Congress, and the national security apparatus. In the preface of that book, Greenwald discusses how his views have evolved, which in the minds of stupid people, means that he’s a goddamn stooge for the conservative movement, even though he never wrote one article praising Bush or the GOP.

          • venezia59

            This Greg dude has GOT to be Glenn. No one is this in love with Glenn, except Glenn himself.

          • JaaaaaCeeeee

            Here’s the WI Badger’s coverage of Glenn Greenwald’s speech in 2010, which was on how terrorism is poorly defined and our civil liberties are being eroded. Doesn’t seem to me to support WiscoJoe’s claim that Glenn Greenwald is infecting our youth like an ego maniacal Bernie, making sure they know to punish Democrats:

            https://badgerherald.com/news/2010/11/03/does-us-use-terroris/

            Greenwald pointing out the press should be adversarial, be journalists instead of just passing on rumors like CNN did, apparently means Glenn Greenwald is no lefty or journalist but a libertarian, just a smear artist, and willfully stupid as Kellyanne Conway.

            Ignore that even the New York Times said the supposed “intel” is completely unsubstantiated claims. Although “nobody should believe something just because an intelligence agent says it, still less an anonymous agent”, if Glenn Greenwald says it too, that’s just more proof that Donald Trump is a puppet of Russia.

            Washington, DC would be more comfortable if voters demand we hit back at Russia than if we ask if Donald Trump should be impeached for not divesting. The problem is that the latter would work, and the former may just give Donald Trump a fake news card he can keep pulling instead.

          • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate
          • Greg Comlish

            If you read the thread, you will find that I was not the person who made the original claim that I questioned. Therefore, by the very reasoning contained within the gifs that you use in lieu or actual arguments, the responsibility for the burden of proof resides on the person from whom I requested proof.

        • C4TWOMAN

          “His speech was paid for by a right-wing think-tank.”
          That with the wealth should be worrying to Greenwald fans on the left.
          This sort of thing rose during the GWB years, and came into it’s propaganda power after 9/11, when what we would call the alt-right exploited the anti establishment “radical” fronts to become power players in the anti war movement.

          Some high profile peace activists would go on to shill for Libertarian Alt-right causes; Cindy Sheehan is the most glaring off the top of my head. First she got popular among the left.
          Then she shifted, blaming not Bush, but Israel, for her son’s death. (Then pretended her account was “hacked” and she never wrote that)
          Finally she was caught having photo ops with known white supremacist Jamie Kelso.

          http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1266032__ARCHIVED_THREAD____Every_time_I_start_thinking_I_should_consider_Ron_Paul___.html&page=4#i31442514

          But little of this can be found on her Wiki page that still gives the impression she’s a “peace mom”. For some reason most of this has been removed, but can be found in wayback:

          https://web.archive.org/web/20080627131113/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_Sheehan#9.2F11_conspiracy_theories

          So yeah, people like Greenwald and Sheehan can go fuck themselves.

      • WiscoJoe

        One thing to consider, why does Greenwald state that the MI6 agent was “working as a Dem oppo researcher.” Is there evidence for this? And why is that important?

        • Greg Comlish

          why does Greenwald state that the MI6 agent was “working as a Dem oppo researcher.”

          It’s been broadly reported that the accusing memos originated as opposition research by Christopher Steele.

          Is there evidence for this?

          http://www.newsweek.com/trump-russian-spies-infamous-golden-shower-memos-541315

          And why is that important?

          Because it demonstrates that Christopher Steele was explicitly working in pursuit of partisan ends and therefore journalists should never have granted him an anonymous platform to air completely unverifiable accusations.

          • venezia59

            And yet, US Intel Agencies are taking Steele’s report seriously. Whether the report is true or not, whether it is Russian disinformation, or from some other source, it bares investigating. And you don’t know what’s verifiable or not.

          • Greg Comlish

            a) I have no idea if the accusations are accurate or not, but I absolutely know the accusations aren’t presently verifiable because there is no way to verify them. The possibility that there may one day exist proof for a claim does not retroactively make the claim verifiable as of its publication date.

            b) The reporting on this issue was in no way confined to Buzzfeed.

          • venezia59

            There is nothing unethical about reporting the fact that a possibly compromising dossier exists, which is what CNN et al did. Buzzfeed published the actual report in full. They put a major disclaimer on it, and allowed us to draw our own conclusions, and I don’t have a problem with that. Some internet rags may have provided a link to the BF report, but ASFAIK the major outlets didn’t. “Aren’t presently verifiable” is not the same thing as not verifiable at all. There is enough there for intel to take it seriously, and who knows what may turn up.

          • Greg Comlish

            a) It is absolutely unethical to report gossip and unsubstantiated claims.

            b) Either a claim can be verified or it can’t be verified. There’s either evidence or there isn’t. Nobody has presented any evidence for these accusations and nobody claims to have any.

          • venezia59

            I will say this AGAIN, and maybe you will get it. Except for BF, the majority of journalists did not report the actual rumors or unsubstantiated claims. They reported that there was a report that may have compromising information. There is nothing unethical about that. And oh please, your hero Greenwald pulls this crap all the time. Like when he claimed that the Bernie Bros were created by the Clinton campaign–totally unsubstantiated and never has been verified. I’m done here!

          • Greg Comlish

            “Like when he claimed that the Bernie Bros were created by the Clinton campaign–totally unsubstantiated and never has been verified. I’m done here!”

            No please. Go on. Tell me about the time Glenn claimed that the Clinton campaign created “the Bernie Bros”. Provide a link to Glenn making that claim without any evidence.

          • venezia59

            Now you’re just being an annoying troll. Google it. He wrote it on the Intercept–that pro-Clinton journalists and campaigners were pushing the Bernie Bro myth, but they don’t really exist. Buh bye, Glenn.

          • Greg Comlish

            On the contrary, I’m very interested in your information. An example of trolling would be somebody who posts inflammatory claims and then gets all pissy when asked for a citation.

          • venezia59

            No hon–that’s not trolling. That’s being an annoyed poster who doesn’t believe I should have to do your homework for you. If you want a citation, it’s easy enough to Google the Intercept and find it your own damned self. BTW–I don’t hate GG at all. I think he has been a great journalist. reporting on Iraq and the NSA. But there are things that have bothered me about him. I also think he has a libertarian agenda that is so left, it circles back to the right.

          • Greg Comlish

            I am ready and eager to read the article you are referring to but I need to know what it is. Your repeated refusal to post a simple link to justify your claims makes me suspect that either the article in question a) doesn’t substantiate the claims you are making or b) doesn’t even exist. If you actually had a legitimate citation, you would post it. I’m definitely not wasting my time tracking down citations that may-or-may-not exist on behalf of rando internet commenters that can’t even be bothered to post a link.

          • venezia59
          • Greg Comlish

            And yep, a cursory look at that article shows that it cites several concrete, verifiable, examples of Clinton allies promulgating the Bernie Bros meme. It even includes a reference to Wonkette. Maybe that’s why people at Wonkette hate Greenwald: because he called them out on their bullshit.

          • arundel

            Oh boo hoo. A Bernie Bros meme, how terrible! You’re still on about “Clinton allies”. Jesus Christ , get up to date with the rapidly accelerating shit that’s happening right NOW dude. She lost. Meanwhile, serious, and I mean fucking serious doubts about Trump, who is an absolutely insane maniac unfit for office to begin with, most likely has ties with Russia that he is lying badly about. His own son bragged about all the ties his family business has with Russia. Dozens of other links with Russia that he won’t even fucking deny.

            Like Trump, Glenn Greenwald has nary a bad word to say about Putin, or about the extreme fucking hell Putin has unleashed on gay people and journalists in Russia. Because he doesn’t care. He wants to sing the tale of uniquely Evil America, he says the CIA was trying to get Hillary elected, with no evidence whatsoever. Well, I suppose the Deep State of his feverish fantasies aren’t as powerful as he thinks, since they failed at the thing Greenwald baselessly accused them of doing.

            Greenwald has not a whit of much of a word bad to say about Trump or about Putin’s hideous abusive murderous oligarchy and invasion of neighbors, war crimes in Syria (yes, the US is guilty too), a thousand fucked up things. Greenwald supports Putin and Trump, absolutely hates Obama and Hillary Clinton. This is clear from everything he’s written the past eight years. He is quite literally a tool- gee, I wonder where he gets his grants from- probably right wing think tanks and the Kremlin. FUCK Glenn Greenwald. He simply hates the US and likes to cast himself as some sort of heroic martyr against US hegemony. He’s a self-absorbed boor, demanding transparency from everyone else, but OH it would be interesting to find out who his real paymasters are.

            He used to do serious critiques of the US, which was most welcome. He’s beyond that now, he hates the US in a deranged way now, and I am not exaggerating, would like to see it fall apart and be destroyed. While he hides in Brazil. Fuck him, he’s a sociopath.

            You seem obstreporous and argumentative, so just to let you know I probably won’t be reading your response. But you go on complaining about a mean thing Clinton people said on purloined emails over a year ago about “Bernie bros”- oh, the horror!- as the world is rapidly plunging towards a very fucked up dark place. Maybe get some priorities, maybe get to January 2017. And fuck Glenn Greenwald.

          • Greg Comlish

            It’s okay if you don’t read my response. I barely skimmed yours, although it quickly became apparent what the gist was. I would emphasize two things

            a) I didn’t bring up “Bernie Bros”. In fact, that issue was a hobby horse of the commenter that I was responding to.

            b) Greenwald criticizes Putin and Trump all the time. He’s calls Trump an autocrat and dangerously unfit for office. I don’t know why people like you keep lying about this. Do you think I’m going to forget Glenn’s disgust with Trump? Are you just reckless shouting accusations?

            BTW, we know exactly who Glenn’s “paymaster” is. It’s Pierre Omidyar, the billionaire founder of eBay and First Look Media. (Your totally baseless, unhinged, accusations of Russian financial support for Greenwald notwithstanding.)

          • arundel

            How do you know Glenn isn’t getting some Russian encouragement on the side? He seems like Trump, weirdly resistant to ever criticizing Putin’s brutal totalitarian state. He’s still more about beating down on that Bitch Hillary. “I barely skimmed yours”- yet you somehow address every point I made. Sad! Look, you can kiss Glenn Greenwald’s tired and discredited ass all you want. Just, why do you have to be such a dreary bore about it? Try to tell us in a positive way why you think Glenn is such a crusading savior, and keep it within the past 5 years. Oh wait, don’t- I’m fully aware of his diva antics and self-dramatization, and it’s really tired. Again, he never says a word about Putin’s horrible dictatorship. Why is that? Now he’s rooting for Trump, how great. You go on being you with your strange idea that Greenwald is out for anyone but himself. You do him no favors.

          • Greg Comlish

            “Again, he never says a word about Putin’s horrible dictatorship. Why is that? Now he’s rooting for Trump, how great.”

            That’s a defamatory lie of the worst sort. The reason that neither you nor anybody else at Wonkette can cite Greenwald praising Trump or Putin is because those citations do not exist. I can provide countless citations to the contrary. Here’s a few:

            “It goes without saying that Trump is a sociopathic con artist obsessed with personal enrichment”

            “The serious dangers posed by a Trump presidency are numerous and manifest”

            “the Trump presidency poses grave dangers”

            Greenwald’s position on Trump, Putin, and the failures of the Democratic Party broadly align with other left-writers like Matt Taibbi, Matt Stoller, Van Jones, and Michael Moore. But ever since WP’s story on PropOrNot, half of the Democratic Party have gone fucking nuts, accusing any voices critical of Democratic Party leadership of being Russian stooges. Basic facts have become completely irrelevant. People like you and many others on Wonkette are reflexively making all sorts of false allegations and claims that are easily disproven.

          • arundel

            Glenn Greenwald has had no problem with defamatory lies about Hillary Clinton that he has encouraged with his shockingly hate-filled comments about her. There was no lie about her that Greenwald wasn’t ready to spread and castigate her for. He worked hard to get Trump elected, intentionally or not. Now Greenwald got what he wanted, a Putin operative and tool will be President. Let’s see how he keeps up his noble opposition pose. When will he start criticizing Trump and Putin in a substantive way? Believe it when I see it, he will blather on about how the US is the root of every evil, Russia and China and every other country in the world are all blameless victims of American hegemony. Fuck that, and fuck him.

          • Greg Comlish

            You’re making a total strawman argument. The reason that you and all the rest of the Greenwald’s liberal detractors never use quotes from Greenwald’s articles to prove your point is because those quotes don’t exist. There aren’t examples of Greenwald’s ” defamatory lies about Hillary Clinton” or ” “shockingly hate-filled comments”.

            What you will actually find, if you look, are articles where Glenn is critical of Hillary while still being heavily critical of her opponent. It is now extremely clear that many adament supporters of Hillary will literally denounce *any* report that scrutinizes the Clintons are unfair, deceitful, and the product of Kremlin-influenced propaganda.

            Hillary Clinton deserve a huge amount of criticism right now, BECAUSE SHE LOST THE ELECTION AND NOW WE’RE FUCKED. Hillary went up against the most loathed candidate in modern American history and she still blew it. She was a weak candidate, she’s never won a hard election in her life and the only reason she was selected by the party was because she was an heir apparent. And instead of thinking hard about Clinton’s shitty campaign management, or shitty messaging, or wholly inadequate policies, the Democratic Leadership is trying to point the finger at everybody else. Maybe if Hillary had a basic message explaining the collapse of the middle and what she was going to do about it then we wouldn’t be in this mess?

            But sure, blame Glenn Greenwald. He was supposed to fall in line and he didn’t so it’s his fault that people in rural Wisconsin abandoned Hillary.

          • JaaaaaCeeeee

            Although not the first, Greenwald was one of the earliest journalists to report on the creation of the Berniebro smear by pro-Clinton journalists, and did a pretty good job considering that the polls that also contradicted it had not come out yet.

          • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

            ????? Maybe you should call James Comey and let him know about this. Or anyone who has been on the Benghazi trail for years and years.

          • Greg Comlish

            Oh hey, it’s another dipshit non sequitur comment from zanzibar that completely ignores the conversation and just goes right into juvenile antics.

          • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

            That’s Ms. McFate to you!
            (_/)
            (o.o)
            (___)0

    • All while claiming “independence.”

  • Shoto

    Isn’t Kellyanne Goebbels cute when she repeatedly and congenitally lies through her teeth? Bless her black, soulless heart.

    • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

      KAC is a new curseword in my lexicon.

  • Relativicus

    I can’t tell if Greenwald is in denial over having been used, or if he’s just defiantly doubling down for the sake of his ego.

    As for all these videos, from Tom Arnold and the FSB, until they’re actually released to the public this entire story is pointless.

    • Edith Prickly

      All of the above.

  • Peter Simon

    It is time for you block heads to wake up to the facts that Russia”s economy is only the size of Italy’s and Exxon is way more powerful than that. Meanwhile who did Trump nominated as secretary of state? It is Russia who is getting saced by the United States and not vica versa. What did the Russians ever did to you other than freak McCarthy out? Chickenfuckers. (Rob Zombie reference.)

    • In defense of we “blockheads” all I can say to that is

      bawk, bawk, BAAAWWWWWWKKKK!!!!!!

      • Peter Simon

        “my parents used to say” – If it isn’t your shirt, don’t put it on.

        • Ducksworthy

          In what language did they say this?

        • Scopedog

          Can you say that again, but this time in Russian?

        • IOnlyLikeCats

          Do you know how many articles of clothing I’ve stolen from family members?

        • ResistanceFighterCaptainHowdy

          You might want to brush up on the use of quote marks in English with your handler.

    • You do know that normal people can be concerned about more than one thing, right? Like, for example, a dictator influencing our politicians AND the head of Exxon being named to said influenced politician’s cabinet.
      RIGHT?

    • Scopedog

      Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’….get those trolls rollin’…

    • pstockholm

      Don’t think Italy has annexed Crimea recently.

  • DachshundUberAlles

    So, Glenn Greenwald wants some confirmation on stories and that suddenly makes him a Trump/Russian hack? I realize that having him question something about the guy you hate makes you irritated, but this article is one long, childish rant.

    • Marceline

      “this article is one long, childish rant.”

      I see you’re new here.

      • DachshundUberAlles

        Your point being?

        • Marceline

          Long childish rants are what we come here for.

          • Vacuous Virgina

            And the dick jokes. And the comments. Which are NOT ALLOWED!

            Sad 😖

    • Huh. Don’t recall him ever asking for confirmation on the podesta mails or the wikileaks or the anything Clinton related.

      • IOnlyLikeCats

        I did though, and I never heard a confirmation.

    • ResistanceFighterCaptainHowdy
      • DachshundUberAlles

        So scathing, especially from a guy too cowardly to have an open comment history. I guess you’re what passes for “intellect” in this kiddie pool.

        • ResistanceFighterCaptainHowdy

          Oh, I am so sorry. Is go fuck yourself intellectual enough for you?

          • DachshundUberAlles

            Exactly the “intellect” I would expect from a coward that hides it’s comment history. Are all wonkette participants as sad as you, or are you just “special”?

        • doktorzoom

          In general, I prefer that people have visible comment histories, — makes moderation a lot easier. But there are many legitimate reasons to choose to set comment history to private. Attempting to make an issue of it in an argument is about as relevant as angrily denouncing someone for having a pseudonym instead of using their real name.

          Funny thing is, you were originally flagged for the comment about Greenwald asking for confirmation, which I was approved. But this? This is trolling, and pretty dickish. Bye.

          — Dok Zoom, Yr Friendly Neighborhood Comments Moderator

    • ltmcdies

      so tell me….do spies often come forward publically with the names and addresses of their sources….I know Wikileaks loves to publish that stuff, because they don’t give a shit if some dictator puts people in the ground but do actual spies usually do that?
      Do you think the Russian gov’t is going to confirm….oh yeh…right…we have all kinds of compromising shit on a whole lot of people.

      https://twitter.com/ajreid/status/819228414112595968

  • Marceline

    Oh lookee! We’ve got ourselves a nifty bunch of trolls.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      Them rubles buy only the best.

  • Ducksworthy

    Glenn who?

  • alpacapunchbowl

    🎶Tiny boneeeeers
    In Moscow
    Make him happyyyy
    Make him proud 🎶

    My apologies to Don Ho

  • Now you done it. Soon as school lets out this place will be inundated!

  • Mintie

    I vote she’s been kept out of the loop, because the only reason she’s there is to be the “pretty” token blonde lady mouthpiece, so why should she need to know anything important?

    • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

      Plausible deniability.

  • Greenwald’s allegiance is to the universal truth on much of the US far left that the Democrats and neoliberals are always the bad guys. Even in the face of actual fascism. Just like German Communists before 1933.

    • ahughes798

      Well, neo-liberals are bad…they’ve infiltrated the Democratic party and are killing it.

      • Yes, 100% agreed. And fascists are much, much worse. The people I’ve talking about have been fighting neoliberals so much that they forget that fascists are much, much worse. What’s worse, sometimes they even toy with aligning with the fascists against the neoliberals – like Greenwald / Stein saying “Trump has a non-interventionist foreign policy”. It’s like the German Communists in 1933 saying “after Hitler, us”.

  • Greg Comlish

    Could Wonkette actually state their policy towards the journalistic use of anonymous sources? Does Wonkette think, in general, major newspapers should give credence to an anonymous former foreign intelligence asset connected to a political opposition group so he can make extremely salacious and completely unverifiable accusations against a political leader? Does Wonkette even think we should have consistent journalistic principles?

    I actually don’t know the answer to these questions, but I would be very interested to hear their opinion. Perhaps Wonkette might even concede that these questions raise valid concerns about journalistic ethics, even if they dislike the particular Pulitizer prize winning journalist who posed them.

    • IOnlyLikeCats

      Has anything like this ever happened before? And this isn’t coming out of nowhere. There is other evidence of something like this (I couldn’t begin to speculate on what, because I’m irresponsible). This isn’t some conspiracy theorist. This is trusted source(s), who have talked to multiple people. This is very inline with Wonkette (who has mentioned multiple times to take this with salt).

      • Greg Comlish

        That doesn’t answer any of the questions I posed.

      • Ari

        “Just trusting people” is not how intelligence is supposed to work. It is supposed to be corroborated by independent facts, (so if someone tells you that a country will attack their neighbours, you would look for documents saying so, check with other independent or differently aligned sources, look at satellite photos to see if they captured troop movements, or in a pinch, see what sort of posture each party involved is taking and whether it’s consistent with the story) and even then it can call things wrong with the best of intentions. (Remember Iraqi WMDs? They were looking so hard they found something that fit the pattern they were afraid of, classic confirmation bias, then they overreacted to the threat and pushed for war rather than weapons inspectors) If this is an issue serious enough to make public, then it’s an issue serious enough to risk sources in order to corroborate it with information that people can trust, and if those sources have been too valuable to risk, then they need to be extracted as part of the price you pay for showing this information is credible. That’s what you do in this sort of situation.

        I actually AM inclined to believe that Trump could well have been in on trying to fix the election, or symbolically defiling a bed the Obamas had slept in, these sound like things a man of his character would do. But that doesn’t mean my brain switches off when an anonymous source that the spooks have decided to trust says so. All the tip off means is that you start looking for reasonable proof before acting like these things are already confirmed for anything that isn’t supremely time-sensitive. If such confirmation exists it should have been well within the ability of the CIA to have found at least a lead to it within a matter of months.

        All this is so far is hearsay. It’s officially-backed hearsay, sure, but it’s still hearsay from one source. It’s bad enough that the man is working with white supremacists, we don’t need this story to be true in order to oppose him. Especially as there have been claims that the whole thing was an elaborate troll. (which look, now we have two sources saying opposite things. Granted, the second source are online trolls who might be trying to aggrandise themselves by claiming to have fooled the CIA, but maybe that’s why you should want corroborating evidence, because there’s an outside chance they actually DID) If we want to believe it, perhaps some actual journalists should do some investigation. Oh wait, I forgot, nobody does that anymore. =/

    • BigHorn

      Unverified and unverifiable are different.

      • Greg Comlish

        The accusations are neither verified nor verifiable.

        • BigHorn

          Don’t be absurd, of course they’re verifiable. Vlad releases a video of Oksana and Ludmilla dehydrating on a tsar-sized bed in the Rimsky Carlton while the orange oligarch is having a cheeky wank in the corner and in 3 or 4 steps, people that authenticate this kind of thing do so and, dosvidaniya rodina, it’s verified. So, you’re halfway right, not verified. Yet.

          • Greg Comlish

            In your view, the claims are “verifiable” because of evidence that nobody has access to and that might not even exist.

          • Lara

            If something isn’t verifiable, then it can’t be verified at all. The word “verifiable” does not make judgments on how likely it is that the verification can be found, only that it is possible.

          • Greg Comlish

            In your mind, something can be “verifiable” even if it cannot be verified. You can think what you want, but I’m going to use the English definition of “verifiable”:

            Definition of verifiable
            : capable of being verified

            https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/verifiable

          • La Cieca

            Since you’ve taken the step of basing your argument on a cherry-picked dictionary definition (in which the word in question appears in its everyday generic meaning, as opposed to being used as a term of art in the extremely rigorous discipline of espionage), it’s obvious that your earlier claim of not knowing the difference is both disingenuous and dishonest. You’re here to discredit the report.

          • Greg Comlish

            I used the first and only definition in the Merriam Webster dictionary for “verifiable”. That’s what you’re arguing against right now. So maybe instead of arguing with me, why don’t you go argue with Merriam Webster? I’m sure they would be very interested to hear your opinions, which I am sure are well founded in your knowledge of “the extremely rigorous discipline of espionage”.

          • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

            Greg has a point. Merriam-Webster is the official dictionary used by international intelligence agencies.

          • Greg Comlish

            When I wrote my comments, I wrote them in plain English using the basic and only established definition of the word “verifiable”. Somebody people couldn’t handle my opinions, but instead of responding to my arguments they decided to raise a stink about my word choice. And somehow they didn’t even get that right.

          • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

            It’s **verafiable* you moron.

          • Greg Comlish

            The word “verifiable” is spelled verifiable. ver·i·fi·a·ble. As in, “can you verify this? is it verifiable?”

            “verafiable” is not a word.

          • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

            That’s what I wrote. Duh.

          • Greg Comlish

            If you’re going to flagrantly lie about what your wrote, shouldn’t you at least edit your previous comments accordingly? Are you just trying to announce to everybody that you’re a sack of shit?

          • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

            Can you even read? Christ, trolls get more boring every day. Move along Greggy!

          • Greg Comlish

            Yes I can read. I can read where you wrote:

            “It’s **verafiable* you moron

            Not only did you misspell the word “verifiable”, but you were so confident in your mistaken belief that you insulted me for spelling the word correctly. You didn’t even bother checking the facts before running your mouth. And you apparently still haven’t picked up on the irony.

            Your misguided insult against me is actually a succinct and fitting metonym for my interactions with the Wonkette community on this thread.

          • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

            It’s synecdoche.

          • Greg Comlish

            Technically, synecdoche is a very specific kind of metonymy.

    • Shibusa

      The Guardian newspaper won the Pulitzer prize, not Greenwald. (The Public Service prize goes to the newspaper, not the reporter.)

  • Incoming (AKA Large) Ham

    What I find troubling here is that all of the “alternative media” mouthpieces like Rush are going on and on about how dishonest the intelligence agencies are and how they are out to get Trump (they seem to have amnesia about the Comey emails situation.) I would not want to be a field officer of any kind right now.

    Media can’t be trusted, fact checkers can’t be trusted, intelligence agencies can’t be trusted, Congress can’t be trusted (ok, +1 there), anyone who doesn’t agree with him can’t be trusted.

    The bitching he did about people saying bad things about him pre-prez and how he was going to sue everyone, all of those bad things could now be considered sedition.

    The troubling thing is that Trump is turning everything upside down so his tribe thinks nothing is true besides what comes out of his mouth. That sounds sort of like…what’s his name again?

    • IOnlyLikeCats

      I actually made a joke about being stoned if you disagreed with Dear Leader on my Facebook. I don’t know how long it’ll stay a joke.

      • BreakingDeadMen

        Well, you will not feel so all alone, I can tell you that.

    • Lara

      Yep, none of those Americans can be trusted. But Russia can be the source of Trump’s absolute certainty that this whole thing is made up. He tweeted so!

      • Incoming (AKA Large) Ham

        Perhaps RT and Pravda should be invited to pressers rather than CNN?

    • La Cieca

      Jehovah?

      • ahughes798

        Moby Dick?

  • ResistanceFighterCaptainHowdy

    ostensibly are not on the same side since at least 2008

  • IOnlyLikeCats

    Greenwald’s raccoons were clearly born in Toronto.

    • Edith Prickly

      HEY!! Toronto raccoons have standards.

  • nightmoth

    “because their allegiances are not to America”
    ^THIS^ a thousand times this!

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Greenwald needs to be reminded what happened to collaborators in postwar France.

    Just sayin’.

  • BreakingDeadMen

    I refuse to listen to Conway anymore. She never answers a question, just dissembles like a mean girl in the principle’s office after being caught snorting Ritalin in the parking lot. There’s nothing worthwhile to hear there.

    • agnosticsdonthatemuch

      She never answers a question because she immediately asks a question that contains the message she is pushing that day. Deflect and Attack. Pivot and Punch!

      • BreakingDeadMen

        Lie, deny and alibi

    • So Republican model #4D then.

  • Celtic_Gnome

    This is going to give urolagniacs a bad name all over the world.

    Thanks, Trump!

    • BreakingDeadMen

      Single handedly wrecked Brian Eno’s shot at the Rock Hall for a couple years at least.

    • BadExampleMan

      Urolagniappe?

    • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

      I am also irritated at the pee focus. Don’t yuck consenting adults’ yum.

  • javadavis

    “”It’s very, very difficult, of course, to talk to US intelligence people. They’re breaking the law if they talk to you. ”
    Huh. Has anyone heard from Rudy recently? You know, that noun/verb/911 politician who spent the last month of Trump’s campaign talking about what his US intelligence pals were all telling him?

    • Lara

      I heard a report today that (this is no joke), Trump is considering appointing Giuliani to head up his “cybersecurity team”. Just what you want in regards to cybersecurity: an old guy who probably can’t get an app onto his phone without his grandkids’ help.

      ETA: Here’s a story about it: https://www.cnet.com/news/donald-trump-rudy-giuliani-cybersecurity-efforts/

      • javadavis

        Ah, cheese, that’s just great. What are the odds that Rudy was picked primarily for his ability to threaten to kneecap anyone who doesn’t support dear leader unquestioningly. I note that the article ends with a comment on a couple of examples of techies refusing to just go along with whatever Naxi idea Trump wants them to work on next.

  • BreakingDeadMen

    IDK if Donald Trump was a category on Porn Hub before yesterday, but I know without looking it’s there now.

    • Paul

      Now THAT is disgusting!

  • Blender_415

    It would be unfair to not speculate that Conway has sprayed her fluids on His Cheetoness. Completely unfair.

    • Dudleydidwrong

      Part of the audition. Must be true because I just read it on the Web.

    • La Cieca

      Assumes facts not in evidence, i.e., that Conway’s body produces fluids.

      • britishvoiceman

        No, but it probably contains a lot of embalming fluid.

  • Angela Ruzzo

    You know, I spent the entire day helping out a friend who lost a leg in an accident 4 months ago – he was going home from the rehab facility with his prosthetic leg today, and he needed groceries, prescriptions picked up, a new mailbox by his front door, and packing him up at the facility and unpacking him at home, and generally trying to cheer him up and make his life just a little bit better, and not tell him that Congress is about to cancel his Obamacare policy that will keep him alive for the next 2 years – and I come home and read the news about all this shit going on in our government. and I just got sick to my stomach. I feel as if we are all doomed. Can someone please cheer me up?

    • Paul

      Obamacare is not going anywhere. If anything, there will be some improvements but repeal died a few days ago. No worries, mate.

      • Incoming (AKA Large) Ham

        Even Rand Paul was saying it was too expensive to get rid of.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          But they’ve known this for years, so what was the point of bringing it up? Were they just flexing their muscles?

          • Incoming (AKA Large) Ham

            Basically waving their dicks around and doing a victory dance because they can vote to do it. Not actually do it, but show the insurance lobbyists that they tried. Keep that money flowing.

          • Lara

            Exactly. More money and effort spent on a big dog and pony show that accomplishes nothing and was never intended to.

          • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

            Republicans have no problem wasting time and money to score political points. It’s unreal. Iowa has a bill proposed to turn down PP funding, which will end up costing the state a fuckton of money. But you know — the babbies.

      • Angela Ruzzo

        Thanks, I hope so, because otherwise my friend will die of diabetes and high blood pressure. But the shit changes every day and the pile keeps getting deeper. It reminds me of a story I heard 40 years ago when I had a sales job during college summer break, and they sent us to a training conference. Someone told this motivational story about pessimism vs optimism in which a group of children were shown a pile of manure as a Christmas present. One by one they expressed disgust and disappointment, but one child immediately jumped on the pile and started digging in it, saying “If there’s this much manure, there must be a pony in there somewhere.”

        Except today the manure pile keeps getting bigger and there’s no pony in there, only more Republican shit.

        • Mehmeisterjr

          Motivational stories are generally stupid but this one is a doozie. That one child was extraordinarily dumb.

          A pony would have kicked its way out of a pile of manure immediately, rather than suffocate to death.

          It does perfectly encapsulate the Trump voter reasoning. Nonsense buried in pile of shit and lightly pissed on.

          • Angela Ruzzo

            I thought it was silly on many levels. When I was a child I had no interest in ponies and I wouldn’t have dug through a pile of manure to get one. Also, I grew up in the country and I saw huge piles of manure fairly often, and all they signified was huge piles of manure. Finally, if I had dug through a pile of manure looking for something my mother would have kicked my ass into the next state for getting my clothes dirty.

        • Al Swearengen

          Insurers have to submit plans and rates for 2018 this spring. If ACA is going to die, they won’t bother. Republicans can kill it without actually voting to repeal it.

      • ez

        Guess again, the night time Sneaky Pete’s were creeping around voting to screw folks over..

        • Paul

          They are just going through the motions now, trying to preserve their options and showing their stupid base that they are trying to repeal Ocare. But at least 6 GOP senators have already said that there must be a replacement ready when repeal is passed or they will oppose it.

          Of course no replacement is possible without 60 votes which means 8 Dems would have to join all GOP to get it passed. There are no Dems ready to vote for any known replacement so the whole thing is dead in the water. Don’t be fooled by the charade currently in progress.

      • Lara

        I think what they’ll do is “repeal”, with an enactment date way out, either 2018 or 2020. That way they can say they kept their promise to repeal, but they haven’t ticked off the GOP base by cancelling their health insurance.

        It made me truly sad to see a man being interviewed on the news the other day saying yes, that disastrous Obamacare needed to be repealed, but they should leave the Affordable Care Act alone so he didn’t lose his insurance!

        Anyway, I think we’ll see the ACA around for another 2-4 anyway, which is lots of time to get some more Democrats in Congress, or even a new president, and work to get the repeal repealed. I say this as someone who is partially disabled and who has a very chronically ill family member whose COBRA just ran out from the last job and who is now in a 2-year waiting period for a disability hearing with no income. So don’t think I don’t have a dog in this fight. I just think we’ll have time to fight.

        • Paul

          I don’t think they will even get a “repeal” bill to the floor for a vote. Everything will just die in committees and fade away with maybe a few fixes with help from the Dems.

          GOPers will point fingers at the Dems for “obstructing” the replacement and therefore they could not move forward with repeal because Trump wanted both simultaneously.

          They love to do these kabuki dances that mean nothing but fool their imbecile base.

    • Shibusa
      • Angela Ruzzo

        Wow! That’s phenomenal! I am smiling, thanks.

      • ez

        Mr Trumps’ sleeves look way too long. Did he buy the suit thinking his arms are still growing?

        • Dudleydidwrong

          Arms stay same but he’s applying fertilizer to his fingers every day in hopes that something good will happen. The sleeve length is just a temporizing thing.

        • Lara

          Nah, he’s too cheap to get it tailored. That, or he refuses to admit he’s got malformed, stubby arms and fingers and that he needs all his sleeves shortened.

          The reason for his pants being so ill-fitting is still up for debate.

        • NotConvinced

          His hands shrink when he’s not excited.

      • Al Swearengen

        Love the tie!

  • Paul

    Would anyone be surprised that one of Putin’s many enemies in Russia, Ukraine, etc. was the source of this material? Obviously this whole fiasco has massively disrupted Putin’s agenda for Trump before it even got started. Some heads will role – literally – in Russia over this. Of course it may be disinformation but it has certainly hurt Putin and Trump’s relationship which must have been the whole point.

    • sonaliraq

      I’d be way more surprised to hear that this womanizing, cheating, pussy-grabbing sleazebag was NOT screwing around with Russian hookers.

  • Incoming (AKA Large) Ham

    Greenwald has become a wee bit up himself since he broke he Snowdon story. Bully for him on that, but it doesn’t make him an expert on espionage.

  • Occam’s 8 ball

    Alas children, el Trumpiñata no puede ser roto.

  • psychobroad

    Thank you re Greenwald,it is long past time for him to shut the fuck up.

    • Al Swearengen

      Being “leftier-than-thou” keeps him in smug sandwiches.

  • going4baroque

    The fact is clear that the “intelligence dossier” is not an intelligence dossier – it is opposition research done by a guy who used to be a spy, who was PAID for opposition research, by both Trump’s primary Republican rivals, and also PAID by Democratic Party opposition research agents. And the story has been out for several months, and no reputable news organizations published it because all the info contained in it was UNVERIFIABLE. So, to be clear, it was written by an ex-spy who went into business as an opposition research guy – give him big bucks and he’ll come back with pissing prostitutes. Would he have gotten big bucks if he reported back that Trump was observed spitting on the sidewalk?

    • Dudleydidwrong

      I would assume that you haven’t read the NY Times article on this in this morning’s paper (01/12)? I’m sure that you consider the NY Times to be non-credible, non-sourced, non-believable, but just read it for shits and grins anyway.

      • going4baroque

        Yes, just read today’s item, and the New York Times does use the word dossier in its headline and body of today’s story, and strictly speaking, the definition of dossier is “a collection of documents about a particular person, event, or subject.”
        So, strictly speaking, I was mistaken in the definition. But the point I was attempting to make and which I did make, is that the document/dossier was put together not as a result of our national security agencies in the business of national security, but by some ex-spy from England who hung up a shingle as the goto guy for opposition research to dig up bad news for political parties. So, not national defense dossier, but dirty political tricks opposition research.

        • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

          Doesn’t make it wrong.

      • JayGoldenBeach

        Judy Miller. LoL

      • sonaliraq

        I did opposition research for years. What I got paid for was delivering factual information to my employer. By your standard anyone who gets paid for their work is suspect.

  • Mehmeisterjr

    I would quibble that the word “apparently” should not be in the headline.

    • Mr Canoehead

      Well, it’s apparent. Close enough?

  • BreakingDeadMen
  • MannyHo

    Has the author of this article been tested for retardation?

  • MannyHo

    Can you please tell me more about what spies do? I’m sure they would never intentionally leak false information to the press to further political objectives. If an anonymous spy says something… you better believe it’s true… because an anonymous spy would never lie. And if you think an anonymous spy would leak false information to the press for political reasons… then you have no idea what spies do? Is that the logic? 😂😂😂😂 Give this author a Dunning Kruger trophy!

    • Bang Crasby

      You sound pissed off. I hope you weren’t shouting when you typed this. You should gargle some salty liquid if your voice is hoarse.

      • MannyHo

        Uh ohhhhhh. Somebody’s projectiiiiing. The predictable reaction of a low IQ, high-emotion Democrat. Let me guess… you’ve been pretty pissed off since Donald Trump one the election? Yes? Awww. Enjoy the next 4 years, sugar plum. 😃😃😃

        • Al Swearengen

          Trumpers are such condescending pricks, “Sugar plum”.

          • MannyHo

            Oh yeahhhhhh. It’s Trump voters that are the condescending ones. Totally not Democrats who talk down to everyone who isn’t a Democrat. Lol. What dream world do you live in? Me? Yeah… I’m condescending because you guys are idiots and you deserve it. But Democrats are notorious worldwide for their incredible ability to be simultaneously smug, condescending, arrogant, derisive, ignorant, ill-informed, clueless and idiotic. At what point did Democrats stop using their brains. 3 words can stop any of today’s Democratic dogmas: SHOW ME EVIDENCE. Any request for evidence of the truth of Democratic dogmas will invariably result in accusations of racism, sexism, hate, etc. So why even pretend that you’d be capable of polite conversation?

          • Al Swearengen

            You don’t get to pretend to be the victim.

          • mary5920

            Manny is manny things, perhaps, including a ho with a bag over his head. That’s about all we really know, so far. This is off the record, but I believe him to be a projectile dysfunction.

          • ahughes798

            More like projectile projection.

          • MannyHo

            Nobody is pretending to be the victim. I’m simply telling you the truth. The funny thing is you’re projecting again. It’s Democrats who play the victim every time they lose…. whether it’s losing the election, sucking at life or getting caught committing a crime. Every time they come out on the bottom, they play the victim. But the truth is the truth… win or lose. I don’t need to play the victim. The reason I left the Democratic party after 10 years is just for that reason… tired of you losers always playing the victim.

          • Al Swearengen

            No one buys your “yoostabee” BS.

          • NotConvinced

            Repudlickans bruise internally. You can’t see how hurt they are. So there. They’re victims as sure as Beauregard Sessions is NOT A RACIST.

          • Bang Crasby

            Did some one just grab your pussy or something?

          • NotConvinced

            How can Trump voters talk down to anyone from the gutter?

        • La Cieca

          Let me save you the trouble.

          “Libtard! Suck it up, buttercup! Meryl Streep is a trained monkey paid for with my tax dollars!”

          • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

            Did you know that the Buttercup bill has been dropped? A little pressure in the district and the general outcry of how stupid it was and he caved. *dusts off shoulders* But the legacy of being the idiot who wrote the Buttercup bill will always haunt him.

        • Bang Crasby

          I could care less. Also, nice job missing the paronomasia. Oh, wait. Did I just use a word you’ve never heard of?

        • C4TWOMAN

          Speaking of the Dunning-Kruger effect…

          • britishvoiceman

            Are you referring to the poster or Trump?

          • C4TWOMAN

            I was referring to “guest”, who has been deleted. Forget their nick; it’s possible they were featured in the “Deleted Comments” post.

    • ResistanceFighterCaptainHowdy

      Sorry to break it to you, but your dreams of being peed on by your Führer are likely to remain forever unfulfilled.

  • UnsaltedSinner

    And so another “Dear Shit Fer Brains” is born. Yay!

  • goingohm

    Greenwald’s bitching about the quality of this drop like there’s not a deluge coming behind it.

  • E.A. Blair

    For all his progressive cred, Greenwald is a doofus. I got in a personal email exchange with him in which he went all Humpty Dumpty on me, insisting that he was in the right because of the way he chose to define his terminology.

    ““When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, “it means what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.”

    In that, at least, he didn’t show any more integrity than a Fux Nooser.

    • Rex Thorne

      He has me blocked on Twitter for pointing out misleading paragraphs in his articles. He knows he’s a hack.

  • uniquename72

    Am I the only one who remembers 2013, when Wonkette was best buddies with Assange, Wikileaks, and Greenwald?

    The whole “we liked you when you told us things we wanted to hear” is something I expect from Trump. Maybe Wonkette could strive to be better than that.

    Maybe.

    • C4TWOMAN

      Wonkette often acknowledges when they’ve been wrong in the past. Perhaps your question is better addressed in an email to the owners of the website.
      Also too, there was a change in ownership, fyi.

    • AncienReggie

      I remember when Wikileaks was not allied with Russia and the Trump campaign. Do I get points for that, I do I have to wait until Putin lets Julian drop the intercepts from RNC?

    • efs 1066

      personally, i’m not bound to one sentence (and certainly not from anything i said in 2013).

      at least THIS very very far left liberal likes to go with the information flow. mostly because: the sentences – and people, and players, and context – change.

      remember when rubio said (pre nov 9) that we shouldn’t be spreading wikileaks? bc no matter how advantageous, it was wrong? that it was the fruits of espionage and repubicans shouldn’t feast on it because it was illegally gotten and a subversion to our system?

      i disagree with rubio on almost everything (i’m to the left of bernie, my dad’s version of bedtime stories was about milwaukee sewers, my godfather played sheepshead every week with frank zeidler) but rubio accidentally showed republicans don’t HAVE to be dickholes when he came out against comey’s ‘we-POTENTIALLY-have-more-emails’ thing.

      it disorients me when hard right republicans behave momentarily ethically.

      even jim jordan spoke out against comey’s just-barely-pre-election-date letter alluding to the weiner things. (sorry, still can’t quell my inner 12-year-old on the phrase ‘weiner things’. #workinprogress) i wrote him an email to stop messing with my head: that being reasonable and fair made it hard to paint all conservatives with a black brush. (so far, no response.)

    • When the hell were Wonkette ever “best buds” with any of those people/organizations?

  • NotConvinced

    Greenwald is upset because he doesn’t get to be Snowden’s agent, mouthpiece, stolen info mule, anymore. Awww. The “pompous clown car” still has an open seat, jump in Glenn. Hey I here it pays well if your check clears.

  • ahughes798

    Does anyone else remember a time when Greenwald wasn’t half bad?

  • John Eby

    So I guess we are pretending the Gulf of Tonkin never happened. I guess we are pretending that the CIA screaming from the rooftops that Saddam had WMD never happened. I guess the crap about babies being thrown on the floor out of their cribs which was proven to be a total lie during Gulf War 1 never happened. I guess the CIA spying on Congressional Oversight committees trying to write the torture report Obama won’t let us read never happened. And really that is not even scratching the surface of the history of lies and illegality the CIA is up to it’s eyeballs in. Coups anyone? Assassinations? Maybe It’s Evan who doesn’t really understand what the CIA does.

    • Tiny kaiju

      I guess you missed the point here. I guess some of the many things the CIA does are really shitty and not remotely legal. I guess most of the things the CIA does are covert to some degree or other, because that’s how god damn spies operate.

      • John Eby

        No you have missed the point. Greenwald has said it isn’t that is unbelievable that Trump would do these things and it isn’t unbelievable that the Russians have videotape but that until we see some evidence we should have a healthy skepticism given the propensity of our intelligence services to lie to us to further a movement to conflict or to hurt their own opponents. Both things we have ample proof of.

        But instead what we get is the new McCarthyism. If you have the nerve to recall the times US Intelligence has lied to us and that gives you pause then you are a Russian plant or stooge.

        I don’t like Trump. If an asteroid took him and Pence out, big thanks Universe. But I refuse to believe something just because I want to. I demand proof for my positions. It’s called being intellectually honest.

        • Tiny kaiju

          Just for the halibut, what does that have to with the CIA being loose cannons?

          • John Eby

            Gee you love to move the goalposts but I can see why you got nothing. So one last time for the deliberately obtuse.

            Richard Engel was on Maddow a few days ago. He’s a real reporter with a very good track record. He has contacts all over the world and throughout our intelligence community. He said he has been investigating this story since it was first circulated at the end of the primaries. That’s roughly 7 months. He says he couldn’t find one shred of evidence to support this story. He says that every time he has asked someone handing him this story for any proof none has come. And remember this isn’t just about pee this is about the Russians allegedly having compromised Trump financially, legally and sexually. But not one ledger entry, not one video, nothing has been produced since June. So Maddow asked him why it dropped now if it’s been out so long? Why did the CIA drop this right now? His answer was he has been told it was warning to the Trump admin to back off. This is the CIA saying to Trump you continue to mess with us and we will ruin you. That’s not me that’s a guy paid to find these things out. There is your loose cannon.

          • Tiny kaiju

            So I guess we are pretending the Gulf of Tonkin never happened. I guess we are pretending that the CIA screaming from the rooftops that Saddam had WMD never happened. I guess the crap about babies being thrown on the floor out of their cribs which was proven to be a total lie during Gulf War 1 never happened. I guess the CIA spying on Congressional Oversight committees trying to write the torture report Obama won’t let us read never happened. And really that is not even scratching the surface of the history of lies and illegality the CIA is up to it’s eyeballs in. Coups anyone? Assassinations? Maybe It’s Evan who doesn’t really understand what the CIA does.
            Where were those goalposts again? Must have been in the article and not your comment as seen here. A comment which was not really relevent to whether or not the CIA currently has evidence of Trump spooning with Putin.

  • JayGoldenBeach

    Everyone jumping on this bandwagon is risking their future credibility.

    • britishvoiceman

      What bandwagon would that be? – the denial that Russia was behind he hacks or the dismissal of anything negative about Trump as “fake news”?

      • Tiny kaiju

        The Glen Greenwald is altruistic and has integrity bandwagon. Many people here hopped off recently.

  • I’d say Greenwald’s top allegiance is to never admitting he was wrong about anything. Which is why he has to dismiss these reports. Just a few days ago, he was still dismissing the idea that Russia was behind the DNC hack. Even Trump has acknowledged it now. Everyone who still likes Greenwald has pretty much lost all credibility with me.

  • mfp

    hmmm let’s see…old british spy guy…MI6…held in high esteem by american intelligence…

    james, is that you?

    • Tiny kaiju

      George Smiley.

  • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

    Have you seen all the 4chan bullshit on this? They’re claiming that they planted the pee story. There’s zero cred to it, but it’s spreading like wildfire.

  • Poorly Behaved Résistanista

    Dear Jeebus, you know I ask you for very little (well, outside of the house, the car, the nice Mr. Mule, the pool and the piano, so yeah, very little indeed!) but please, please, please Jeebus let there be tapes and let them be leaked. That is all.

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