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From The Journal of Ben Uchida: Citizen 13559 Mirror Lake Internment Camp
From The Journal of Ben Uchida: Citizen 13559 Mirror Lake Internment Camp

On Novembber 27, the Los Angeles Times Travel section ran a story about how not all National Park Service locations are places with trees and camping; some are all historical-like, such as two locations of former internment camps for Japanese-Americans on the West Coast who were ordered to leave their homes under FDR’s notorious Executive Order 9066. It’s a nice standard travel piece about how the Park Service attempts to curate history for visitors, with a nice quote from Myron Floyd, a professor at North Carolina State University, who said the Park Service is dedicated to preserving such places because “these are places or histories of national significance [….] These aren’t just sites of Japanese American history or African American history. They are sites of American history.

Well! A couple of readers did not care for the article’s suggestion that the internment of tens of thousands of Japanese-Americans, most of them U.S. citizens, was in some way not a good thing, so they wrote remarkably pissy letters to the editor, published Sunday, that the Times now says “did not meet editorial standards” and will be addressed quite soon by their Readers’ Representative, which is just Politically Correct talk for an ombudsman, bud. We have a feeling both of the unhappy readers were especially triggered by a line suggesting a visit to either camp, Manzanar or Tule Lake, “couldn’t be timelier,” a clear slur against the president-elect and his perfectly reasonable desire to suspend rights for Muslims. Let’s see what those upset readers have to say!

Steve Hawes was very disappointed to see travel writer Carolina A. Miranda

attached herself to the “I feel-good” contingent that feels sorry for the Japanese here in World War II […] But this is just another anti-U.S. remake of history.

Oh, dear! The travel writer and the National Park Service hate America! How can we tell? Well, you see, it was all about being cautious around The Enemy, or at least people who looked like The Enemy:

Remember, this was war for the life of our country. The Japanese had a clear way to land invading forces in California but lost their chance because they did not realize it.

Hmm. Except for how Imperial Japan’s entire reason for attacking Pearl Harbor was to eliminate the United States’ ability to interfere with Japan’s territorial expansion in the Pacific — they miscalculated badly, but there was never a serious threat of invasion, and not even American military leaders feared invasion of the mainland. Attacks, sure. Invasion, not even back then.

Japanese have an extremely strong attachment to family, and even more so back then. First-generation and, to a lesser extent, Japanese here would have been expected to follow the wishes of their elders in Japan. Some, most or almost all might have refused, but the threat was there.

Isn’t paperback sociology a beautiful thing? Then, to prove there was nothing at all racist about the order rounding up Americans of Japanese descent, Hawes explains it was all for the Japanese-Americans’ own good!

Had the Japanese been left on the streets of our city they would have been subject to hostility, injury and death at the hands of other citizens whose emotions ran high.

The U.S. government needed to concentrate on the war effort, not keep track of every reported espionage claim leveled against the Japanese.

Wasn’t that nice of “us”? Hawes closes with a jaw-dropping reversal of historical reality: By being interned, Japanese-Americans on the West Coast were actually huge patriots, helping out with the war effort, and instead of whining about being victims, they should shut up and be proud of how they gave up their silly “rights” for the greater good:

Virtually everyone in the U.S. was assigned jobs to help the war effort. The Japanese were assigned the job of staying out of the way and not causing complications. Millions of Americans were assigned far worse jobs. Hundreds of thousands were wounded or died.

The interned Japanese were housed, fed, protected and cared for. Many who now complain would not even be alive if the internment had not been done.

I salute the Japanese for doing the part they were assigned during the war as I salute all those that sacrificed for the war effort. I have zero respect for those trying to rewrite history just to make themselves feel good.

Thank god people like Steve Hawes are out there to prevent the distortion and revision of history. Mr. Hawes should also write a sternly worded letter to the Ronald Reagan presidential library protesting how Reagan signed a bill issuing an apology and reparations to the internees out of some misguided, anti-American attempt to make himself feel good.

Then there’s Dick Venn, whose opinion on matters historical can probably be dismissed straight from his first paragraph, where he recommends a book by Bill O’Reilly as somehow relevant to the internment camps:

Maybe a little bit of balance in Miranda’s article would have been appropriate. You need to read “Killing the Rising Sun: How America Vanquished World War II Japan” by Bill O’Reilly and Martin Dugard to get the balance.

As the U.S. was putting families into the internment housing and feeding them, the Japanese were slaughtering Filipinos by the tens of thousands and U.S. soldiers after hideous torture.

War is evil, but I would have much rather been interned by the U.S. in California than by the Japanese in their captured lands.

Hey, maybe we stripped Americans of their rights under the Constitution, but once more, we still fed them. We bet George Takei has never considered how lucky he was that his family only lost their property and freedom, because after all, they were fed and housed — and the U.S. Government didn’t even bill them for it after the war! Anytime the United States is slightly less brutal to its own people than some enemy dictatorship, like Imperial Japan or ISIS, then we are clearly the moral victors.

Frankly, people like Mssrs. Hawes and Venn appear to have no appreciation whatsoever for the freedoms afforded by the U.S. Constitution, and to prevent their pernicious ideas from spreading, we think they and their families should be rounded up and placed in custody. It’ll be fine. We’ll feed them.

[LAT / LAT / NPR]

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  • Msgr_Moment

    As an American with a lot of dead German ancestors, I gotta say, being born white is definitely worth it.

  • Bitter Scribe

    Hey, the slaves were fed too!

    • onedollarjuana

      Beat me to it.

      • Jennifer R

        That too.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Interesting side note about that. In colonial New England, lobster was initially considered virtually inedible….bottom feeding garbage fish. So, of course, it was fed to slaves. Some of the old slave manifests actually specified-by way of being “humane”-how much lobster one was allowed to feed his slaves.

      • willi0000000

        i worked with a guy who grew up in the 50s . . . his father was a fisherman and all he got from his mom for school lunch was lobster sandwiches . . . he would trade them for PB&J or whatever he could get.

  • Gayer Than Thou

    Say, you know who else patriotically stayed out of the way so that their country could focus on its war effort?

  • Oneofthebobs

    I wonder why German Americans didn’t receive the same kind of protection.

  • btwbfdimho
    • Gayer Than Thou

      Adorable. Cats are always into being squeezed into confining spaces until you pick them up and hug them, and then all of a sudden you’re headed to the urgent care for stitches.

      • therblig

        remember the outrage over this?

        http://ding.net/bonsaikitten/gray.html

      • willi0000000

        from The Book of Wonderfulness™

        “The man who sets out to carry a cat by its tail learns something that will always be useful and which never will grow dim or doubtful.”
        – Samuel L. Clemens

    • Vincent Ricola

      Aw. My cat does this with shoe boxes. Then once he squeezes his big fat body into the box, he sits staring forward with his back arched all proud like Washington crossing the Delaware for hours at a time. So cute.

      • Tallmutha

        Hey, those are my cats you’re talking about.

    • arglebargle

      Here’s a Japanese cat interring herself!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XID_W4neJo

  • schmannity

    Yeah, you don’t hear Germans and Italians complaining about their internments!

  • Rouge Skwerl!
    • onedollarjuana

      I like the White eyebrows. Good touch.

    • jodyleek

      Those eyes. Seriously! Anyone know if he wears blue contacts because his eyes are actually brown? Or are they that color because his soul evacuated a long time ago and now there is only ice?

    • Jennifer R

      More like civil rights lich. Look at that face. Tell me that isn’t the ambulatory corpse of a wizard who sold his soul for power.

      • Rouge Skwerl!

        I was thinking more of a Grand Wizard.

    • Paperless Tiger

      How come the leading spokesmen for racial superiority are always such sorry specimens themselves?

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        If those dimwitted goons are the “master race”, the species is in trouble.

    • jesuswasablack
  • Jennifer R

    Dick Venn can’t be a real name.

    • laughingnome

      I think it contains a subset of a name.

      • DoILookAmused2u ?

        That overlaps with something I was thinking.

        • Tallmutha

          These arguments always end up going around in circles.

          • DoILookAmused2u ?

            Cleanest Dick Joke thread ever.

    • Hobbes’ Evil Twin

      Don’t even try to diagram any of his sentences.

    • arglebargle

      Well, there is Dick Venn Dyke.

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      He’s certainly a member of the group.

  • mardam422

    Funny how there were no German or Italian internment camps. Hmmm.

    • Ezio Auditore

      There were some Italians who had their property confiscated (Joe DiMaggio’s father for example). But that was only if they were not U.S. citizens. Japanese-Americans on the other hand were interned regardless of their citizenship.

      • doktorzoom

        Except, weirdly enough, in Hawaii, which had the highest portion of Japanese immigrants. Discrimination, definitely, but no massive internment. Maybe too necessary to the economy, and not enough haoles eager to steal their businesses….

        • Gayer Than Thou

          Too expensive to transport them to Tule Lake and Manzanar.

        • Ezio Auditore

          Interesting.

    • blueeyedcuban

      Ahem…. there were Italian internment camps … shipped off to Northern Ontario in Canada… Can’t speak as to German camps..

    • Mr. Blobfish

      There were real, live Nazis marching around NJ.

  • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

    Oh my!

  • Martini Ambassador

    How dare the LA Times rewrite American history by reporting on things that happened in American history?!!?

    • Jennifer R

      Remember, the LA Times was cheerful as fuck about the original internment, so this was just par for the course.

  • Lefty Frizzell

    It’s always fucking projection with these fuckers. Always.

    For fuck’s sake, tell me again – who is it that’s rewriting history to make themselves feel good?

    • weejee

      always fucking projection

      And they’re still using overheads to do it.

      • ViveLaRésistance

        Coffee spewed on keyboard. Thanks, weejee.

  • Ezio Auditore

    So has Donald ever taken up George Takei on his offer to go see his show about this issue?

    • Gayer Than Thou

      And you thought the post-curtain-call speech at Hamilton made headlines…!

      • Ezio Auditore

        Last week one of my friends was trying to get tickets and there were 14,000 people ahead of her in the queue.

        And they thought they could boycott Hamilton. LOL

        • I know, right??? Anybody boycotting Hamilton will just make the queue even LONGER! (The only way my sister got to see it is because she knows someone in the cast.)

    • Mr. Blobfish

      The show is being broadcast live to select movie theatres tonight.

  • Gayer Than Thou

    The Japanese are not the only culture with a strong attachment to family. For example, as soon as I locate my long-lost relatives in Denmark, I’m going to remind them of the Danes’ strong attachment to family by asking them to help me emigrate.

    • Ezio Auditore

      My parents have Italian citizenship and I was technically born there. Am I squandering this basically free ticket I have to leave Trumpistan?

      • How are you “technically born there”?

        • Ezio Auditore

          Well I was but I was raised here.

      • Gayer Than Thou

        I have a friend who was born in Kenya who wants to run for higher office; can you explain how to be technically born somewhere?

        • Ezio Auditore

          I was raised here all my life though despite being born there, is what I meant.

          • Gayer Than Thou

            Well that’s not gonna help my Kenyan friend. But he’s working on time-travel, which may be the next best thing.

          • Ezio Auditore

            We need to find a way to contact The Doctor. He may have the solution to this.

          • YoNastyBunny

            Did your parents have Italian citizenship when you were born? I know Italy has birth-right citizenship, to the effect that if you have any ancestor (parent, grandparent, etc) who had Italian citizenship, you can have citizenship too (don’t quote me on the details). We had a born-and-raised Venezuelan student worker who had Italian citizenship on account of lineage. I also knew a few Americans who have Italian citizenship on those grounds as well. The nurse who worked with my father had Italian citizenship, which was his backup healthcare plan should he ever got really sick (“Put me on an airplane to Italy!”)

            I was born in Italy (USAF), too, and I’m a little pissed that my parents came back to America. If they had only stayed an extra 13-15 years, I could have had a case for citizenship.

          • Ezio Auditore

            Yes we were all born there. My grandparents were born there, my parents were born there and so on. Ironically my grandmother who is in her 90’s now says Donald is the American version of Il Duce.

      • goonemeritus

        it will be easy to get an Italian passport, I am once removed and it isn’t proving hard for me.

      • TX Dept. of Brad Relations

        I think they have compuslory military service there…that’s the reason I didn’t go after my duel German/American citizenship.

        I had a buddy born in Italy, he can’t go back cause he’s wanted…for not doing hte compulsory service.

    • I’d LOVE to take a LONG vacation somewhere else (I’ve actually never had a vacation), but I’m in it for the long haul. I’m so thoroughly American, for both good and bad, that I couldn’t survive long anywhere else.

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      My ex actually did that with her relatives in Denmark. I have many fond memories of my time there. My ex, not so much.

  • Blacktop Autumn

    It’s almost as though people are warming up to the idea again…

  • Do we HAVE to feed them? (with votes, of course)

  • TJ Barke

    Holy. Fucking. Shit.

  • weejee

    But, but why weren’t the schnitzelgoober-loving Germans not rounded-up?

    / truth in snarking: one grandma had a nee of Barhorst

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    My best friend from college later married a Japanese-American women who’s parents were interned. Her dad got out of the camp by volunteering for the fabled 442 Regiment; he became a decorated combat veteran who survived hellish service in Italy. He later dedicated himself to the cause of both reparations and making sure this kind of moral outrage was never repeated. To call this guy an American hero is a vast understatement. He passed away last year, and must be thrashing in his grave right now.

    • Bitter Scribe

      Funny anecdote about that Japanese-American regiment:

      They captured a bunch of German prisoners, and one of them was gaping open-mouthed at them. A white officer who spoke German threw his arm around the prisoner’s shoulders and said, “Sure, they’ve been fighting for us all along. You don’t believe everything Goebbels says, do you?”

      That poor guy probably went to his grave believing that Japan fought on the Allied side in WWII.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Thx! I’ll pass that one along to my friend’s wife.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    “Equal Time for Cthulu! When he’s done eating you, you’ll get your turn to talk.”
    — Old Ones Priesthood, Arkham Diocese

  • Mr. Blobfish
    • Ezio Auditore

      I remember hearing about when Orsen Welles did the War of the Worlds broadcast and people actually thought it was real….

      • Historicat

        Fortunately, we are much savvier media consumers now.

  • TheGrandWaz00
  • jesuswasablack

    “need to read “Killing the Rising Sun: How America Vanquished World War
    II Japan” by Bill O’Reilly and Martin Dugard to get the balance”
    http://www.insidersedge.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/gun-to-head.jpg

  • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

    Sure, they were stripped of everything – their property, their prosperity, their dignity – and then shipped them to wherever the government wanted (sometimes being housed in stables and fairgrounds until other facilities were built) to be held until whenever the war ended. But we fed them and gave them some amenities rather than just killing them or leaving them to fend for themselves, so yay us! *waves little flag*
    Jesus, these people.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Also confiscated their fucking land, businesses, homes, and bank accounts. Other than that, totally benign and harmless though.

  • proudgrampa

    “I salute the Japanese for doing the part they were assigned during the war as I salute all those that sacrificed for the war effort. I have zero respect for those trying to rewrite history just to make themselves feel good.”

    Jesus. H. Christ. The stupidity is jaw-dropping.

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      Yeah, they were “assigned”. Being hauled off at rifle-point is the same as being drafted, right?

  • Paperless Tiger

    Trump’s big migrant roundup is not getting much traction, because the sanctuaries are are all like, “Uh, no.” What if you were President and everybody just told you to fuck off? Would you hide from the press and tweet a lot? I hate to think what plan B is, but plan A is a big fail.

  • Bill D. Burger

    Dont’ forget that many Trumpanzees would like to see the ‘internment camp’ system return, along with a national registry of Muslims.

    [A prominent supporter of Donald J. Trump (Carl Higbie) drew concern and condemnation from advocates for Muslims’ rights on Wednesday after he cited World War II-era Japanese-American internment camps as a “precedent” for an immigrant registry suggested by a member (Chris Kobach) of the president-elect’s transition team.]

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/us/politics/japanese-internment-muslim-registry.html?_r=0

  • Ezio Auditore

    This entire situation is like when white people like to take the words of Martin Luther King and twist them to justify their condemnation of Black Lives Matter. Of course, they conveniently throw out everything else he said. Also they call him a “martyr” when he didn’t volunteer to die. He was murdered.

  • anon_the_great

    Here’s the deal. The LA Times didn’t have to run the bullshit. America is dumber for consuming their product.

  • anon_the_great

    Here’s the deal. The LA Times didn’t have to run the bullshit. America is dumber for consuming their product.

  • Moebym, Resistance Pilot

    How about FUCK NO?

  • Shan the Wonky Woo

    Of all the things today, why is this the one causing my brain to do the rage-popping?

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      Because it’s so blisteringly stupid, condescending and anti-factual?

  • Latverian Diplomat

    Steven Spielberg’s 1941, while not particularly funny, was still a comedy, not a documentary about a Japanese attack on California.

  • Gayer Than Thou

    This notion that Japanese-Americans were interned for their own good sounds an awful lot like the argument underpinning the “she asked for it dressed that way” defense to rape: we in the dominant group are so incapable of controlling our own violence that it’s not even worth talking about, so it’s incumbent on you to not create the occasion for our violence.

    • resistance_fighter_rosenbomb

      I attempted to articulate this sentiment but you did it much better. It’s also the way slavery apologists talk…”well, slaves were treated really well! they were fed and given shelter!”

      • OrdinaryJoe

        We don’t call it slavery anymore. In politically correct Alt-White it’s “long term workers.”

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      “Thank you for dragging me in chains from Africa across the Atlantic to give me this wonderful opportunity in America.”

    • Stulexington

      “our abuse is for your own good” seems to be cropping up a lot lately. Or maybe I’m just realizing it more.

    • Little Lulu, still angry

      Were the non-Japanese wives/husbands of Japanese-American citizens (there has to be a better way of saying that, but my brain’s missing) also sent to the internment camps? What about their children? Or did you have to be 101% Japanese to qualify for the privilege of serving your country in a camp?

  • resistance_fighter_rosenbomb

    “Had the Japanese been left on the streets of our city they would have been subject to hostility, injury and death at the hands of other citizens whose emotions ran high.”

    Citizens whose emotions ran high? Well, they can grow the fuck up and deal with their emotions. Same with any person now who feels threatened by the presence of a woman wearing a hijab or a man speaking Arabic in public.

  • Mavenmaven

    Considering the “alt-right”‘s yen for holocaust revisionism, this is not unexpected.

    • kareemachan

      Nauseating, but not unexpected.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    Hawe’s viewpoint is refreshing! I wonder if it’s too late to implement this approach in Germany. They could have a big national parade where they stand and salute those German Jews between 1938 and 1945 who patriotically gave their lives and possessions for the good of the German state. Won’t that make their surviving families feel proud!

    • Rick Hill

      Wasn’t it about time those Jews started giving back instead of always taking? Talk about selfish…

  • Rick Hill

    “But this is just another anti-U.S. remake of history.”

    Translated: “Don’t try to correct us with “facts” when we are busy rewriting history to what we think is pro-America.”

  • Rouge Skwerl!

    The Japanese had a clear way to land invading forces in California but lost their chance because they did not realize it.

    But being an idiot, please tell us how they would sustain their supply lines? Or do you just play videogames where you never run out of bullets?

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      I wonder if such a person sincerely believes the Japanese military planned on following up the air strikes with a ground invasion of Hawaii (a ludicrous proposition since after the second run they were dangerously low on fuel oil and munitions).

  • Mr. Blobfish

    We should have locked up the Chinese and the Koreans while we were at it. They all look the same anyway.
    -Trump voter

    • beavertank

      And maybe the Americans of Italian descent, too. Sure, they’re white descendants of an Axis power, but not they’re not really the right kind of white… y’know?

  • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

    “The Japanese had a clear way to land invading forces in California but lost their chance because they did not realize it.”

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fd593b39cba70279f1bc13999802b1a06347a21edc49f5e566b7e94904753352.jpg

    • Rick Hill

      Asspecially since Americans were too lax in their gun ownership back then!

      • Yr. Gma

        Well, no. Plenty of firearms.

        • Rick Hill

          Nevah!! Always need more gunz

  • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

    I’m sure George Takei would like to tell Mr. Hawes where he can shove that salute of his.

  • I visited Manzanar.

    It’s a barren, desolate place where it’s hot during the day and cold at night. Guard towers and barbed wire fences make no mistake that it’s a prison.

    I wonder how appreciative these people would be if they were forcibly removed from their houses by the military, loaded onto a train, and shipped to the middle of a desert where they were communally housed with dozens of strangers with no dividers or privacy, knowing that when they went home, there wouldn’t be a home. Or a job waiting for them. Their business would be gone. They would have to start over as a refugee in their own country.

    DL,DR: Fuck these people.

    • TJ Barke

      Hard.

  • Vincent Ricola

    Sorry fellow libs, I have no desire to reach out and try to understand these people’s “economic anxiety”. Someone else is going to have to reach across the aisle for whatever unity because “we’re all in this together”. I also am not going to give up on civil rights because some white people are horrible selfish jerks. The end.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Resist, refuse, rebel.

    • TJ Barke

      “I also am not going to give up on civil rights because some white people are horrible selfish jerks.”
      No one actually asked you to.

      • Vincent Ricola

        It’s sure been a discussion lately…

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH7GCMm1ngA

        • Blacktop Autumn

          Hey look, the underside of this bus looks great.

          Thanks Senator Sanders.

      • Jennifer R

        A shit ton of people have come by saying we need to give up “Identity Politics” which is code for stop helping minorities not be under the bootheel of white male protestants.

        • TJ Barke

          No one worth listening to is actually asking you to.

          • Jennifer R

            If people only listening to those worth listening to Our Beloved Editrix would rule a media empire and HRC would be the next president.

        • Suttree

          Lee Atwater is masturbating furiously in hell.

          • Jennifer R

            Title of my next screampunk single.

        • theblackdog

          Yeah, this even includes the supposed savior of the left.

          Nope, sorry, I’m not going to exclude minorities and if the Dems go that direction I will seek an alternative.

    • Ezio Auditore

      It’s not “economic anxiety” though. If it were, poor whites who voted Trump would be blaming the rich white guys in suits who send their jobs overseas for their problems and not black people or Mexicans. Many of the white people who voted Trump were also middle to upper class.

      • Suttree

        Are you trying to make sense with our betters, the pundit class? Shame on you for speaking truth!

    • jesuswasablack

      There is no fucking “economic anxiety”, they are and have been unhappy, uncomfortable, miserable, whatever for one and only one reason:
      http://blackdemographics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/President_Barack_Obama.jpg

      • Suttree

        Nah, they were always assholes. Barry just made them frothy.

  • anwisok

    I commend these citizen scholars for their clear understanding of Constitutional Rights. I also admire them for their courage in bringing this poorly understood viewpoint into public discourse.

  • SessileRaptor

    I remember coming across an account from a soldier who as the interment was winding down was tasked with going around and checking on the property and businesses the Japanese-Americans would be returning to. He found many instances where Shitheel-Americans had simply taken over the house or business and had no plans to give it back, threatening to kill the previous owners if they dared to try to reclaim their property, because ‘Merica.

    I’m sure our current patriots are eyeing those immigrant-owned stores and other businesses and thinking they can get a similar “opportunity” in the future.

    • Suttree

      I cannot find a gif of Radio Raheem yelling at the Korean grocer “English motherfucker!”. If only the right could understand that movie………

    • kareemachan

      That happened to a Japanese family I know of. Their VERY successful oyster farm was taken over – not bought. They lost everything.

      • SessileRaptor

        I misremembered the bit, but found the book I recalled it from (Bill Mauldin’s Back Home) The soldier was a white officer who commanded Nisei soldiers and he was on a lecture tour to talk about how brave the Japanese-American soldiers had been and why they should be reintegrated into american society. A shitheel-american asked him “How many of the japs in your unit were killed” and when the officer replied “All but two of the men who started in my platoon were killed by the end of the war” the shitheel replied “Too bad they didn’t get the last two.”

        The officer displayed commendable restraint at the time, but swore that when we was released from service he was going to go back and settle accounts with the turdblossom. There were also comments about land and businesses being stolen, which is what I conflated 15 years after having read the book.

    • Serai 1

      So the government did the right thing and kicked those people out, right? Since they were thieves, right?

      Jesus fucking Christ, I hate this country sometimes.

  • shivaskeeper

    I can sort of see where these fools come from. I learned none of this in school all those many years ago, None of it. American history was a pretty rosy thing where we really did no wrong. Even slavery was glossed over, let alone the internment camps.

    Starting to find out in my mid 20’s or so that we were not as great as I thought was a pretty had pill to swallow. I won’t lie and say I embraced the “new history”. I mean it was basically saying my people were shitheads to pretty much everyone, everywhere.

    The difference I think is I and of course many others are able to reassess what I learned in school when new credible evidence comes to light and adjust to it. Not going to lie and say it was easy to unlearn all the other shit, but it was done.

    With all that being said, there is really no excuse for not being open to the evidence or admitting we collectively can be wrong. The Germans taught the holocaust in schools with clear eyes when I was stationed there to ensure it wasn’t buried in national shame and forgotten then repeated.

    • kev

      for a real downer, read Noam Chomsky’s history of America.

    • Serai 1

      The Germans are also completely surrounded by countries they devastated. The US is not.

  • Suttree

    I think that I’m getting ready to make America great again. I think that punching people in their mouth, when they denigrate our ideals, by imprisoning large portions of the population for no cause, will be acceptable and even applauded. Ok, I’m not violent, but maybe I’ll piss on their shoe and tell them that it’s raining.

    • Historicat

      Make sure we know where to send the bail money.

      • Suttree

        Eh, I’m a pretty good sprinter for the first block or so.

  • Beowoof14

    More morons who believe the constitution only applies to their lily white ass, and any one else can just screw off.

  • Cogswell – User of the wheel

    Their brains are a mass of conflicting electrical impulses and misfiring neurons. It’s very unsettling.

    • lurch394

      Or as William James put it, most people, when they “think,” merely rearrange their prejudices.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    By this logic, if a thief sends a thank-you note to the owners of a house he robbed, that makes everything hunky dory.

    • YoNastyBunny

      “Dear Homeowner,
      You were planning on replacing that stuff anyways.
      Thanks!!!”

      • lurch394

        “Anyways” is perfect.

    • AmusedAmused

      o. No. Not a “thank you” note. A “you are welcome” note. Like so:

      “I’ve relieved you of some of your more cumbersome stuff so that you wouldn’t have to worry about it, or, alternatively, so that you would have an incentive to get newer models. Finally, no more squabbling about whether or not you should get a new TV. You are welcome!”

  • Ezio Auditore

    Apparently in Trump’s America, making it great again involves whitewashing history to rationalize your mistreatment of different groups of people.

    • kareemachan

      And try to legitimize it.

  • resistance_fighter_rosenbomb

    I can’t handle the Right’s narrative that to criticize this country is to be anti-American. Black Lives Matter wants to call attention to widespread murder of black people by police? They’re labeled anti-police. People want to discuss how prevalent sexual violence is in the military? They don’t support our troops. People want to discuss some of the most shameful acts in American history to ensure we don’t repeat them? They’re anti-American. I JUST CAN’T.

    • Serai 1

      But at the same time, the federal government is illegitimate and must be fought against.

      Simplest explanation: they’re fucking lunatics.

  • Ryan Denniston

    “As the U.S. was putting families into the
    internment housing and feeding them, the Japanese were slaughtering
    Filipinos by the tens of thousands and U.S. soldiers after hideous
    torture.”

    I’m sorry, I fail to see how these two phrases connect. You are aware that the US was putting American families into camps?

    • Yr. Gma

      And the Japanese doing the killing were from Japan, not American citizens. The bigotry in this country has truly been unleashed.

  • Sedagive

    We are about to see what America is really made of.

    The only thing standing in the way of the next internment camp may well be public opinion, a few conscientious federal judges and a particularly brave politician or two. I don’t think our new overlords will listen to the public, so we’d better pray that there are enough jurists and people of conscience in office who are willing to stand up to an unbalanced, sadistic, narcissistic, authoritarian bully and his willing minions.

    And yes: fuck everyone who voted for this shitfest. Your “economic anxiety” just flushed the 21st century down the crapper.

    EDIT: I nearly forgot Susan Sarandon. I’m sure she’ll be leading the charge…

    • kareemachan

      Or those who didn’t bother voting. They are complicit as hell.

    • Resistance Engineer Red Bird

      Agreed. By now I think we all realize that their is no economic anxiety. It is just anger that people other than white people were slowly beginning to find a voice and a place in this country. The standard white supremacist response always is to destroy whatever it is they have to share.

  • Yr. Gma

    My mother lived in Los Angeles during WWII. Her neighbors were interned. The reason given to her and the rest of the country was the “for their own good” nonsense. She believed that, I think, then and for years later. She did talk about how sad it was to see her neighbors taken away and how she missed them after they were gone. However, she continued to say “Jap” well past the Nixon administration.

  • AmusedAmused

    I like how Steve Hawes accuses the LA Times writer of being motivated by feelings — but a couple of paragraphs later, says that the emotions of racist white people were a valid reason to incarcerate 120,000 Americans who have committed no crime. Consistency and logic, how do they work?

    I bet this is a person who goes around comment sections decrying liberal “safe spaces” while simultaneously defending “locker room banter”.

    • spends2much

      Conservative, if a Liberal doesn’t like something they say: “Get over it, snowflake!”
      Conservative, if a Liberal says something they don’t like: “Boycott Hamilton!”

  • SeeTrain65

    If these two letters made the cut, I’d certainly hate to see the two letters that “did not meet editorial standards” and “weren’t ‘civil, fact-based discourse.'”

    • Yr. Gma

      Probably more along the lines of what our trolls will come up with for this article.

    • Pierre_de_Fermat

      Stupid? I’ll put my Ameros on “stupid”. Oh yeah. I must be an “elite” if I call them stupid. I’m not recognizing their thoughts are just as valid as mine. And they are, sort of. But they’re also stupid thoughts. Oh, wait, they have a whole party devoted to that.
      J S Mill:
      I did not mean that Conservatives are generally stupid; I meant, that stupid persons are generally Conservative. I believe that to be so obvious and undeniable a fact that I hardly think any hon. Gentleman will question it.

      • Serai 1

        And they are, sort of.

        No, they aren’t. Ignorant jawing of basic stupidity is not worth anything.

        • Pierre_de_Fermat

          It’s the Christmas Season and I am overflowing with generosity. Normally … what you said.

    • Serai 1

      The LA Times doesn’t moderate any more than any other news site does. They just depend on enough people bitching about a letter and then MAYBE they’ll delete it. Just once, I’d like to see one of these fucking sites set comment posting to before-post moderation and then HIRE SOMEONE TO FUCKING DO IT.

  • KingKazul

    Not that either of those two asshats (or anyone else of similarly ignorant and hateful mindset) will a) go visit this, or b) have their minds opened by it, but since I work for the firm that designed and built this exhibit all about this very subject, I’ll just leave this here as an educational tool…

    http://www.goforbroke.org/visit/exhibit/index.php

  • Every American should visit those National Park sites that bring in to clarity the history of the country before the revisionist white washing of them.

    I’ve been watching Oliver Stone’s Untold History of The United States of late and the following quotes from Former VP Henry Wallace ring true today. Re: Wallace, oh, but oh, how things would be different today if he wasn’t ramrodded out of the VP spot for Truman at the 11th hour).

    “The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information.”

    “They are patriotic in time of war because it is to their interest to be so, but in time of peace they follow power and the dollar wherever they may lead.”

    Like with President Obama, it seems the country didn’t deserve such enlightened leadership then as now.

    • spends2much

      I’ve been watching it too; the stuff about Henry Wallace gives you a real dose of “what if…”
      The Truman hagiographers are very upset that ole Plain Speaking Harry isn’t properly worshiped by Stone.

  • Treg Brown

    “You need to read “Killing the Rising Sun: How America Vanquished World War II Japan” by Bill O’Reilly and Martin Dugard to get the balance.”

    Bill O’Reilly you say? Balance? Fuck you.

  • Pierre_de_Fermat

    Somehow, the Germans in Milwaukee escaped this. How could that happen? What, oh what made them “different”? Oh yeah, it wasn’t done in Hawaii either. Somehow the Japanese did not invade. Midway? Guadalcanal? absurdly long supply line? Maybe Hawes and Venn have some thoughts?
    JFC, is this the kind of “thought” we can expect for the next four years?

    • eka

      I feel like there’s no point forming arguments against this because the basic premise is so horrific that trying to argue it makes it seem like a decent argument when it’s not. doing the part they were assigned??? fuck that. were slaves also assigned a part in the economy of the south?

      • Pierre_de_Fermat

        I know. But you’d (like to) think they had *some* knowledge about the past. And not just the comic book stuff.

  • YoNastyBunny

    You notice that the mouthbreathing wingnut white people just love applying the “for their own good” BS to things like getting rid of affirmative action or forcing women to give birth to rape-babies or making trans people use the wrong bathroom. It’s so noble of them right.

    But let us nanny-state libtards try to do things for “their own good” — like pushing for universal healthcare or common educational standards or or protecting the environment from shitty corporations– they pitch a hot sweat-flop fit because TRANNY!!1!!!!1!11

  • resistance_fighter_rosenbomb

    I’m sure The Cherokee People were just as grateful to make sacrifices for their country.

    • Serai 1

      How about “all the Native American tribes”?

      • resistance_fighter_rosenbomb

        True. The Trail of Tears came to mind for me, specifically, because I once read a placard that described the act as “benevolent.” I snapped a picture of it, and I should find it.

    • Resistance Engineer Red Bird

      Assuming that they are allowed to call it their country.

  • Michael Smith

    We also brutalized the Filipinos in an earlier war. This idea of the Japanese being sooooo much nastier than us in terms of dealing with enemies is hysterical considering we dropped atomic bombs on them. And the way we dropped burning jelly on farmers and villagers in Asia in a later war after World War 2. People that write letters like this should be forcibly committed. They are the reason popular government is failing.

    • Serai 1

      The War Prayer, by Mark Twain

      Best anti-war piece I’ve ever read, and it was written about the Philippines War.

      • Michael Smith

        “It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said.”

        Yeah, that’s incredible. And that sad, funny little closing line kind of reminds me of Vonnegut.

    • OrdinaryJoe

      The good thing about democracy is that it allows the people to participate in the choice of their government. The bad thing about democracy is some of the people who are allowed to participate in the choice of the government.

  • Antonin Dvorak

    I haven’t seen this posted yet, so here:

    http://ci.memecdn.com/2939456.jpg

  • Daisy

    *screams*

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      Well, that’s a much more concise way of putting it. But correct.

  • Bub the Hoohah! loving Zombie

    Remember, this was war for the life of our country. The Japanese had a clear way to land invading forces in California but lost their chance because they did not realize it.

    Sho’ nuff. Land invading forces in California. When the Imperial Japanese Army was seriously overextended trying to maintain forces in China, which was right next door. Not to mention Malaya, Burma, the Phillippines, etc. Japan could no more have staged and maintained a U.S. invasion force than they could have landed on the fucking moon. Honestly, the stupidity and ignorance of people makes my goddamn head hurt.

    • Pierre_de_Fermat

      Yeah. A land invasion of California. In the fevered, paranoid thoughts of a bunch of ignorant racists that was going to happen. A *lot* of actual scholarship (as opposed to the ‘I know a guy who knows a guy who read a wartime pub on the subject, so *I* know what I’m talking about’) since then about how overstretched both the Japanese Army and Navy were just holding what they had. A lot of those use “big words” so might be difficult for our guys to understand. Easier to watch movies made in the 40’s!

    • Brendan_M

      He’s just been binge-watching The Man in the High Castle and got confused. Go easy on him.

  • Cismontane

    Were these two worthies actually disloyal Californians or were they foreigners from The Orange Empire?

  • OneYieldRegular

    Hawes and Venn should spend the winter outside at Manzanar and then be asked again about “balance.”

  • The Librarian

    The internment of Japanese Americans during WWII is one of our most shameful doings. I’m sure these two idiots are Trump supporters as well – another notch in the belt of shame. Quoting from a Bill O’Reilly book just adds to the lunacy.

  • kev

    creating a new country from scratch is hard and everyone had an assigned task. the African slaves’ job was to do grueling manual labor for no pay so that greedy white fuckers could get rich. but hey – they were fed and housed and cared for. in fact, if not for chattel slavery, many African-Americans would not be alive in the US today.

    • Brendan_M

      If you send this comment to the LA Times, there is an excellent chance they’ll publish it. Sadly.

    • Holly_Jolly_Andy_Kreiss

      At least we don’t behead people. American exceptionalism!

      • Riggsveda

        And there’s no evidence that we ever boiled people alive, so look at us! Paragons of morality!!

        • Holly_Jolly_Andy_Kreiss

          I’m joking, of course, but I’ve actually seen that argument from Real American Patriots©, defending our use of torture or warfare. We don’t do one particular horrific thing that they do, so good for us. That’s where they set the bar.

          • Riggsveda

            We have a shitheel coming into office who suggested murdering the families of militants as a way to get information (he backpedaled the next day but we all know what a liar he is). There IS no bar anymore.

          • Holly_Jolly_Andy_Kreiss

            Yeah, but he didn’t behead anybody ( as far as we know), so it’s ok.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        More accurately, we don’t allow people to behead others. People being people (#notallpeople), the Founders saw the need to write it down, in the form of the Eighth Amendment.
        Which is only 1/4 as important as the Second, of course…

  • Bub the Hoohah! loving Zombie

    I highly recommend reading Bill Mauldin’s account of the shabby way Japanese-Americans were treated in California, as well as his praise of the Nisei soldiers he served with in Italy, in WWII in his book “Back Home.” He makes some pithy observations about the casual racism of “the Greatest Generation” as well, btw.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/98ff89bc12a4f9fc55c5438ea2521bf538557fa654f5493f000f17d217f1716b.jpg

    • Serai 1

      Not a very well-thought out cartoon. What is the bartender responding to? Did the soldier ask him something? Why is the sign so tiny and makeshift?

      • Foreign Agitator Ron

        The original would have been MUCH larger. The point is that the soldier is Japanese, has been severely wounded, and has hash marks halfway to his elbow… and is STILL being insulted by a ‘patriot.’

        • SteveParadis

          The Combat Infantryman badge above the row of ribbons is yet another tell–you had to have served in front line combat to earn it. Someone seeing that cartoon in 1946 would be able to recognize that this is a battle-scarred veteran being treated like shit by a bigot.

          • Foreign Agitator Ron

            Ah, that’s what that was.

      • theblackdog

        I’m assuming the injured soldier is a Japanese-American who just returned from fighting in the war.

        • Riggsveda

          You would assume correct, sir.

        • Serai 1

          It’d be nice if one could tell from looking at it. Like I said, not very well done. A reader shouldn’t have to be figuring out what it means.

    • CriticalDragon1177

      Kind of reminds me now of how some people in this country want to treat Muslims post 911. At least now we have anti discrimination laws. Thankfully you’d get sued if you put that sign up today.

    • Pierre_de_Fermat

      Mauldin was pretty po’d about it. Especially coming from folks who had not been there.

  • Beanz&Berryz

    My snark well is running dry… These Letter to the Editor idiots. The on-going Trumpocalypse. I want to be snarky and clever, but all I got is a dull fog of despair.

    • Courser

      Same here. Now I’m getting kinda… mean.

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    “Had the Japanese been left on the streets of our city they would have been subject to hostility, injury and death at the hands of other citizens…”

    The assumption being that “other citizens” were racist assholes like the writer.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      A fair fraction were racist towards Japanese-Americans and other Asians, but whether they would tip over into being murderous Klanish types is another question. Even with Pearl Harbor and regular anti-Asian racism, I bet few west coasters had quite the persistent, murderous, assualty bent against the Asians that the Klan had against blacks.

  • Hairstrike Alpha

    My composed response to Messrs Venn and Hawes-

    :ahem:
    Go fuck yourselves you tiny brained, bigoted assholes. Go spend a month locked into one of those camps and then tell me how fine it was or how patriotic you feel.

    No Regards,
    Hairstrike Alpha

    • Beanz&Berryz

      In winter in clapboard-sided barracks with your wives and kids shivering there with you.. and your former neighbors divvying up your property amongst themselves… for America.

      PS Oh, and for context, I don’t know about Manzanar, but Tule Lake is about as close to midwestern Plains weather conditions as you get in the western US. Really not much different from what the US did to countless Indian tribes a few decades earlier. Another proud moment of protecting a group of people from the savagery of their white American neighbors…

  • Holly_Jolly_Andy_Kreiss

    The Japanese were assigned the job of staying out of the way and not causing complications

    The secret ballot is a very sacredness element of ‘merican politics, and should only be disregarded in a national emergency.

    Like now, when we can assign important patriotic jobs to everybody who voted for trump.

  • azeyote

    well they probably say the same kinda thing about slavery and Hitler – dint cook em – fed em dint we –

    • CriticalDragon1177

      Yeah I know, we fed the slaves didn’t they?

    • Don Gwinn

      Yes, people absolutely do bombard docents at historical plantations with questions about how grateful the slaves must have been for the food and shelter the masters provided. Check out @afamhistfail on Twitter for a bajillion stories about it!

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Wow, you nailed that second one hard and fast, Dok, IRT that first paragraph. Anyone who cites “scholar” Billdo can be dismissed as at best a crank and at worst a fascist.

    • OrdinaryJoe

      Slavery was good because at least they had a job.
      Manifest destiny was good because killing off Native Americans on a large scale saved most of them from slow genocide and they were never going to fit in anyway.

      Welcome to the 4th Reich.

  • CriticalDragon1177

    This is like people who complain about how its “anti America” and “unbalanced” to not to include things in our history books that portray slavery or Jim Crow in a positive light. These people are pathetic.

    • sgt. jmk of the résistance

      Or the lovely gentlemen who opine that if you point out that American society was not friendly to the rights of women, that makes you the “real” sexist.

  • Cock Blockula

    Two score and (unintelligible) years ago when I was in high school, our principal paid visits to our American History classes when we reached the WWII unit. He was born and raised in Chinatown, San Fran. During that war, he and his family had to wear buttons or carry cards that said, “I am Chinese” or something similar, to avoid being targets of both the government and racist yahoos. He spoke about the internment camps and what a frightening time it was for Asians overall. I’ve remembered that all these years later.

    I get stabby when I hear people say that the U.S. incarcerated an entire group of people this to “protect them” since to me it’s one of the Top 10 Most Shameful episodes of our nation. It’s a weak excuse for a despicable action.

    • chortlingdingo

      I had a geography teacher say that the first thing you should think of when talking about Japan is Pearl Harbor, in a “never forget, never forgive” sort of way.

      I was shocked then, and am still shocked. She didn’t seem to think that two atomic bombs was enough payback.

    • SteveParadis
      • Cock Blockula

        Thanks for finding that.

  • BrianW

    Clearly the writers of those letters are practicing for their jobs as Trump administration hacks. Change the word “Japanese” to “Muslim” and the press releases for the new, bigly great camps are already written.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    I’m so done with the LA TimeSS, I am not even going to send them a letter telling them why. Subscription cancelled.

  • Resistance Engineer Red Bird

    See, the Obama FEMA camps would have been patriotic.

    • amindofitsown

      Yeah, what were they so worried about? We would have fed them…

  • Foreign Agitator Ron

    So, ‘anti-U.S. remake of history’ means ‘telling actual history.’
    The next edition of Mirriam-Webster isn’t going to look ANYTHING like the OED, is it?

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    George Orwell would be proud

  • Resistance Engineer Red Bird

    I guess it would okay to intern people with Russian names in light of the election tampering.

    • lurch394

      Living as I do in a Slavic-heavy part of the country, I certainly hope not.

  • amindofitsown

    Anything to justify what was a shameful time in American history. It’s like we can only acknowledge such times without donning the rose-colored glasses. “Hey, so what if we interned a bunch of innocent civilians against their will just for being Japanese?”

  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    If you follow the phrase “All men are created equal…endowed with certain unalienable Rights” with “except” or “unless” you are an unAmerican POS.

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    And wasn’t it so nice of us to help those poor Native Americans relocate to a drier climate in the 1830’s? They should be grateful for our assistance…

    • Sekhmet1

      When I was a teenager my dad’s aunt once told me in all seriousness that forcing Aboriginal people from their lands onto missions and reserves – and taking the kids away “because assimilation” – was a good thing because the nice church ladies “taught them handicrafts”. I can’t remember what I said in response – I may have just sat there stunned, because even then I realised the way my country treated its First Nations people was monumentally shitty – but I’m amazed I managed to avoid swearing.

      • sgt. jmk of the résistance

        My mother once opined that yes, slavery was bad, but at least it introduced those lucky enough to be kidnapped, dragged across the ocean against their will, and forced into toil, servitude, and dehumanization for themselves and their descendants to Jeebus and all the modern conveniences that white people gave them.

        When I say that my relationship with my mother is complicated and strained, what I mean is that she’s a stupid person and an asshole who did her best to raise me to be a better person than she was herself.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    “Oh, for fuck’s sake, they live among us.”

    – Decent residents of Los Angeles

    • Clyde Barrow

      No worries. When the whites of Los Angeles could no longer go Jap bashing because of their internment, they focused on the Mexicans. Cue the Zoot Suit Riots.

    • Kooolest G

      more likely they live just a little ways south of us

      • Resistance Fighter MausFeet

        and east.

    • Hardly Ideal

      To borrow some Silent Hill lyrics, Here be monsters. They roam the land so free, and they look like you and me.

      • Kateaux

        And they can be relied upon to vote for Trump and his ilk.

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    If nothing else, this serves as reminder that American having a significant population of dumb, bigoted, selfish and meanspirited assholes is not a new phenomena. Once you stsrt ticking back through the long, shameful list of episodes like this, the Trump election doesn’t seem so surprising. Murica is not nearly so great as we all like to BS ourselves into believing.

    • Pierre_de_Fermat

      We have a creation myth. When you get to collich you find out stuff.

  • theblackdog

    *Shakes head* So what is taking the LA Times so long to respond to this other than saying it “didn’t meet editorial standards”?

    • zerosumgame0005

      spending too much time on the fainting couch?

      • zerosumgame0005

        the LA Times, that is, just realized it could be mis-interpreted :)

      • theblackdog

        I begin to wonder, considering their last response was yesterday.

    • Mehmeisterjr

      Never forget that the LA Times is still a remarkably crappy paper.

  • goonemeritus

    As the son of Italian immigrants I always wondered why they didn’t lock my mom and dad up. We Italians were on the wrong side, we are all about La Familia and we have a reputation for a cavalier attitude where the law is concerned.

    • chortlingdingo

      Well, by the time WWII came around, I’m pretty sure Italians, and Germans for that matter, were firmly considered “white,” and we just don’t do that sort of thing to white people.

      • LucindathePook

        I have heard Ezio Pinza was interned.

      • LucindathePook

        I have heard Ezio Pinza was interned.

        • chortlingdingo

          Had to Google like an uncultured person, but now I have new beautiful music to listen to. Thanks!

          • Mehmeisterjr

            My favorite bass singer. A real natural. Enjoy.

        • Mehmeisterjr

          He was. For three months.

      • Susan

        I know for a fact that Italians who were living here in California, and not US Citizens, were very restricted on how far they could travel from home. We knew a man who was always bitching that his Mom had been restricted to 10 miles from their farm. I flatly told him:”Yes, but she WAS an Enemy Alien, be glad your family wasn’t Japanese because US citizens or not all your family would have been interned and you would have lost your farm permanently”. I was in a little Country bar and market the time and I got a round of applause from the older men and women in there who had been around for that.

        • chortlingdingo

          I knew about the Japanese internment, but I really wish I had been taught about how Italian and German Americans were treated as well. I knew that the U.S. history I learned was framed through rose-tinted glasses, but the more that I learn that it was (and is) worse than I had thought makes me really frustrated.

          How can we possibly learn from our history if we gloss over everything that makes us look bad? This business of seeing and thinking of things as black and white is damaging. It’s possible for the U.S. to be a wonderful country AND also have done things that we shouldn’t be proud of.

  • Panika MCD

    fun fact: the Japanese did have a slap-dash plan to invade through AK (it was not a very good plan at all) through the Aleutian Islands which resulted in the creation of outposts on those islands (now usually used for discipline for which they have no real recourse for so they go, “hey, since you’re being an asshole, you can rest in this little cabin on an isolated island and have a good long think about what you’ve done. watch out for sharks and Russians.”) and the Al-Can Highway (ostensibly to get military equipment to AK quickly in the case of an invasion, now used by RV owners to piss everyone off).

    • Markuserektus

      My dad was stationed at Adak in the early fifties.

      • zerosumgame0005

        whoever he pissed off probably deserved it :)

        • Markuserektus

          I don’t know now. His DD 214 shows he got a good conduct medal.

          • zerosumgame0005

            maybe whoever he pissed off got out before he did? or someone higher up the chain got pissed at the same guy? LOL@

    • LucindathePook

      My dad and mom almost took a job on an Al-Can waystation but decided to stay in civilization and have me instead.

  • Clyde Barrow

    Virtually everyone in the U.S. was assigned jobs to help the war effort.

    That sounds like socialism, or even communism! The fact that a Right Wing revisionist is touting what sounds like Marxist ideals as patriotic is almost laughable, but it really displays how quick they are to move the goalposts as they see fit.

  • Kiri the Resistant Unicorn

    I blame Hogan’s Heroes for making concentration camps seem cool and fun in the minds of satire-challenged conservatives. Wacky hijinks!

    http://www.hogansheroesfanclub.com/images/photoHH17300.jpg

    • Clyde Barrow

      Reruns of that show trigger the Alt-Reich’s feelings for making the Nazis appear as incompetent buffoons.

    • sgt. jmk of the résistance

      ‘Allo ‘Allo also too.

      https://www.comedy.co.uk/tv/allo_allo/

  • Bear OmNomNom

    “I would have much rather been interned by the U.S. in California than by the Japanese in their captured lands.”

    Yeah, and I’m glad I have diabetes rather than leukemia, but you don’t see me jacking off in celebration every time I jab myself with an insulin needle.

    • phoenix00

      So he’s ASKING for an Obama FEMA camp?

  • Little Lulu, still angry

    John Bolton – wasn’t he engaged to Patty Hearst before the kidnaping? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d694f8bb9455bb2995647223ebaf8dae93dcfc3558854982638d8b56d6c79751.jpg

  • Kooolest G

    “As the U.S. was putting families into the internment housing and feeding them, the Japanese were slaughtering Filipinos by the tens of thousands and U.S. soldiers after hideous torture.

    War is evil, but I would have much rather been interned by the U.S. in California than by the Japanese in their captured lands.”

    hmmm, remind me again what happened to those japanese that were slaughtering filipinos again, oh that’s right https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/201d3cdc2e2fd2267f1aabf7e5b468f9ab3e2457dc1bf97146dee09f7b13fbc6.jpg

  • dgtvbjky

    Dick Venn?

  • Lurkette

    My father in law was interned with his family in Gila River, AZ. The army drafted him from the camp when he graduated from high school in 1944. He served in the segregated 442nd Japanese American combat unit and fought in Italy. He is such a humble hero – he says the army “offered him a chance to volunteer…..or else…unknown fate.”

    The Manzanar site is very moving (my mother in law was there) and everyone should visit the Japanese American Nat’l Museum and the 442nd Museum in Los Angeles. Lots of heros.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      The parents of my grade school best friend met as teens at Tule Lake….

  • TX Dept. of Brad Relations

    So Wonketeers have probably already said this but, hey hawes, I didn’t see us locking up all the fucking German Americans!

    Fucker.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      Actually, we did that, too. Also Italians.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans

      • TX Dept. of Brad Relations

        Fair enough…not nearly ont he same scale though.

        • Christopher Boscarino

          Because it’s easier to spot Asians! Can’t discriminate what you can’t tell apart! We might have locked up some Irish or Brits, for God’s sake!

  • TX Dept. of Brad Relations

    “The interned Japanese were housed, fed, protected and cared for. ”

    I thought it was a bad thing when the Gubbiment feeds, houses, and cares for people. Didn’t it turn the Japanese into lazy, drug-addicted, no gudniks?

    • phoenix00

      Or you know, gives them subsidized healthcare?

  • Panika MCD

    maybe since we’re still at war in Afghanistan, Mr. Hawes would be willing to live in a horse stall with 10 other people to “do his part”. he also too seemed to forget how many of those interned signed up for the military just to get out of internment and subsequently fought and died as part of the war effort. but maybe he can teach us all how highlighting that fact is a total anti-American rewrite.

  • “I have zero respect for those trying to rewrite history just to make themselves feel good.”

    Oh, man. Brb. Can’t even.

    • sgt. jmk of the résistance

      IKR?? Does that man even OWN a mirror??

    • phoenix00

      Always projection with assholes. Always.

  • whitroth

    Did the Nissai ever get paid for the homes and business they had taken from them?

    • Christopher Boscarino

      If you were interred, you could get up to $20,000 max. Those kids of those intered who imagined inheriting the house or farm who SOL.

    • phoenix00

      mmmmmmmmm nope….

  • Christopher Boscarino

    Say, wasn’t it also nice of us to take their property away for, you know “safekeeping?” Because people would have totally vandalized all that rich farmland here in California owned by Japanese Americans. Luckily, we had white farmers willing to accept that land at a discount! MERICA!

    • gingerwentworth

      They didn’t really know what to do with it anyway. Not in the red-blooded way we do, with rodeos and square dances. I mean they probably tiptoed around the field in kimonos so its better that they just went somewhere else afterwards.

  • Jena-Auerstedt

    Sounds to me like all of those folks arguing in favor of the detention are a bunch of liberals, wanting to tout how the Japanese got free stuff from the government, like food and a place to live. Thank god the alt-right among us know the importance of Freedom, which is why the right wingers back then were in favor of letting the Japanese go to fend for themselves! And to give them guns protected by our sacred second amendment rights!
    Or . . . have I got that wrong . . . .?

  • FauxAntocles

    Stupid people never admit mistakes.

  • Jeff Mc Donald

    Just in case you have an idiot in the family, stuff them in the old family jalopy and head out to Cody Wyoming, then go east a bit util you get to THIS garden spot, http://www.heartmountain.org/ OH! The fun you’ll have getting mansplaned how it weren’t really all that bad! You know…when you can spot your tears long enough.

  • arundel

    Some fucko writing to the LA Times: “Japanese have an extremely strong attachment to family, and even more so back then. First-generation and, to a lesser extent, Japanese here would have been expected to follow the wishes of their elders in Japan. Some, most or almost all might have refused, but the threat was there.”

    So I guess “family values” are now bad things, according to the extremely flexible standards of right-wing morons. Godless liberals allegedly hate the family, here’s a right-wing moron saying Japanese-Americans were too attached to the family model. Is there any alleged principle that these people can’t twist into a pretzel?

    • No no no, learn your wingnut. Family values is GOOD for white folks who do white things that happen to not be socialist cause that would be bad but keep your government out of my medicare.

  • Grokenstein

    Well, I’m convinced. Hopefully, Dear Leader-Elect will see fit to inter all Americans–even the white ones–in camps to keep them well-fed and safe “for the duration” while he and the other job creators take care of the stuff that needs to be done.

    …All the whitesplainers should be okay with this, right? It’s for our own good!!

  • pixeloid

    You’ve got to love the idiot suggesting they add “balance” by pushing crap from Bill O’Reilly. LOL!

  • gingerwentworth

    the Excellent Dok!

  • Brad H

    There are times when I’m darkly amused that my grandparents, parents, uncles and aunts weren’t also shipped off to internment camps mainly because the Japanese-Americans were not only vital but integral to the economy of Hawai`i. In other words, the government couldn’t ship them off because it would have been *inconvenient* – very, VERY inconvenient for the war effort in the Pacific! It’s also incredibly ironic because Hawai’i was bombed, not the mainland, Hawai`i would have been a more likely target for invasion than CONUS, but the government rounded up Japanese-Americans living in the lower 48 rather than those living in the islands!

  • hvdv

    Just glad no one names their child “Myron” anymore. No good can come of that. Or :Dick Venn” for that matter.

  • phoenix00

    > They are sites of American history.

    Canadian history too. Our elder generation made the exact same mistake. The Japanese-Canadian community never recovered.

    http://nikkeistories.com/
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-apologizes-for-1942-japanese-internment-motion-1.1868550

  • cessnadriver

    Nobody ever mentions the Ni’ihau Incident.

  • IOnlyLikeCats

    So clearly this guy wouldn’t mind if he was placed in a prison. EDIT: I’m not saying he should be placed in there without trail because I am American, I’m just saying he doesn’t think it’s wrong, according to him.

  • SteveParadis

    One of the reasons for the internment were decrypted reports from a Japanese consular official/spy who described his hugely successful efforts to recruit Japanese Americans for spying and sabotage. In fact they were complete fiction, but that wasn’t established until after the war. (One of the attractions of intelligence work is that you often get to create your own evaluations.)
    And it’s believable that the only valid reason for the internment was the inability of the government to protect Japanese Americans from violence from All-American bigots. No one has ever question the premise of “Bad Day At Black Rock,” and it wasn’t much better after the war.
    http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz241/tomcervo/image0-006_zpsn2vupwwn.jpg

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