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Yesterday, the Washington Post published an editorial from former Wall St. Journal writer Asra Q. Nomani, titled “I’m a Muslim, a woman and an immigrant. I voted for Trump.” I came across it in a tweet that said something to the effect of “SUCK IT LIBERALS!” — meant to be proof that Trump supporters could not possibly be racist or sexist or xenophobic if this lady was on their side. You know, because we’ve all definitely never heard of someone taking sides against their own people before.

I read the article. In it, Nomani explains that she is a “lifelong liberal” who supports “the Democratic party’s position on abortion, same-sex marriage and climate change.” That she supports equal pay. That she voted for Trump because Obamacare is expensive (wait til you see NOT Obamacare, honey), because Clinton and Obama weren’t enthusiastic enough about saying “radical Islam” and said “ISIL” instead of “ISIS” or something, and because emails.

And I probably would have been like “eh, whatever” about it if not for this shit right here:

Yes, I want equal pay. No, I reject Trump’s “locker room” banter, the idea of a “wall” between the United States and Mexico and a plan to “ban” Muslims. But I trust the United States and don’t buy the political hyperbole — agenda-driven identity politics of its own — that demonized Trump and his supporters. […]

The checks and balances in America and our rich history of social justice and civil rights will never allow the fear-mongering that has been attached to candidate Trump’s rhetoric to come to fruition.

First of all — nothing has been attached to Trump’s rhetoric that he did not put there himself, ok? He did all that fear-mongering himself, please and thank you. Second? We don’t have checks and balances anymore! Get it? Congress is all Republican, the Supreme Court — if godforbid anything happens to Ruth Bader Ginsburg — will soon be all Republican and anti-choice and anti-same sex marriage. You know what that means? Nothing’s getting checked, and nothing’s getting balanced. There is literally no one to stop him from doing anything he wants to do.

As for social justice and civil rights? Those things don’t happen because of a “rich history” — people fight and work for them every day. How dare anyone take it for granted that this is a given.

But there are a lot of people like Nomani. Tons, in fact, if the people on the pro-Trump message boards I spent hours on during the election were any clue. Those who said “Oh, well, I’m pro-choice, but whatever” — “I support same sex marriage, but whatever” — “I’m not racist, I just want lower taxes! (For rich people apparently) — “Where did Trump say he doesn’t believe in climate change except for the thousand times he said he doesn’t believe in climate change!” — “It’s UNFAIR for liberals to think we are all racists! How is that fair? I don’t understand! I am totally pleasant to black people I meet on the street.”

And I have a thing to say to them — You. Are. WORSE.

Yeah, you’re worse than all the Trump supporters who are openly racist and sexist and homophobic and anti-choice. You’re worse.

Doing what you did with the expectation that other people will keep the bad parts “in check” is worse.

You see, all those openly anti-choice, homophobic, racist, sexist Trump supporters? They, at least, voted their convictions. They were ALL IN. For all of it. The wall, the Supreme court justices, the Muslim registries, the grabbing women by the pussy. They are doing all the work they need, for themselves, to achieve the aim they are after.

You all, on the other hand, want to say you are SO NOT racist, you totally support same-sex marriage, and you are pro-choice. You just like him for his other policies. Whatever those are. You want us believe you when you say that you are a “good person.” You just wanted to vote “against the establishment” by voting for a rich white man instead of a woman. You had “economic anxiety” and thought no health care was better than Obamacare or you thought that if Trump brought back manufacturing jobs that they would magically pay well without anyone fighting for it. Because you apparently have no idea how the labor movement happened. And you fucked us harder.

Because of you, those of us that voted against him now need to do more work — for things you say you want too. And think about this for a moment — the largest demographic of people who voted for Clinton, percentage-wise, were black women. Black women — who have both sexism and racism to deal with, who may have “economic anxiety” of their own that will certainly be exacerbated by a Trump presidency. Black women, who — let’s be honest — already do the most work when it comes to fighting both sexism and racism. You made more work for them. What the hell is more racist than shitting in the middle of the living room, casually walking away and expecting a black woman to come and clean it up for you? That’s what you did.

Social justice is work. Ending systemic racism is work. Keeping abortion legal is work. Making sure LGBTQ people have rights is work. And just because you never bothered doing any of that work yourself doesn’t mean that you should just take it for granted. It doesn’t mean you should just spit on the floor someone just mopped and think to yourself “Whatever, it’ll get clean again somehow.”

Not only did you make more work for other people that you claim to agree with, you made that work a hell of a lot harder, by joining forces with and legitimizing hate groups, men’s rights groups, the alt-right, and, indeed, Donald Fucking Trump.

As a special note to “pro-choice” Trump supporters: No, you’re not. You voted for someone who wants to take that right away from others, who wants to defund Planned Parenthood, who wants to put people on the Supreme Court who will overturn it. And it’s likely he’ll have a chance to. So no, you are anti-choice. As much as existence precedes essence and what you do is more important than what you say? You are anti-choice.

And as much as when I vent my spleen I like to say things like “and if it goes back to the states, which it’s likely to do now, stay the fuck out of our nice blue states that will still have abortion, and — if you need one — I’m sure Donald Trump’s fabulous health care plan will assist you with any sepsis that occurs when you shove a coathanger…” I know it’s not true. Because yeah, we’ll still help you. And you’ll probably continue voting in ways that will screw us, but we’ll still help you. Because unlike you, we’re not only out for ourselves.

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  • Scooby

    I read that yesterday. She basically said she voted for Trump because her Obamacare premiums were getting too expensive.

    • Daisy

      Oh, yay, so I have to buy the school insurance each year now!

    • ltmcdies

      bet she wasn’t alone….well….don’t get hit by a bus any time soon there, lady….those NotObamaCare premiums will be the worst

      • Scooby

        That’s about what 80% of the comments said too.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          the problem is, the ACA has become the scapegoat for everything and anything that is still wrong with our healthcare system. People with employer based group policies that have nothing to do with the ACA still blame it as their premiums continue to rise. “Obamacare sucks” is nothing more than a subcategory of “thanks Obama” where every idjit who has a problem with anything simply dumps their anger on a convenient target- no matter how dumb their reasoning is. The GOP did a masterful job of poisoning the well.

          • Scooby

            Deep down I think that if only white people could get insurance through Obamacare they would be totally OK with it.

          • gedjcj

            Good on you for the avatar Zippy!

    • Longstreet63

      It’s like nobody remembers why the ACA was passed. It was only 2007, people. These increases are PEANUTS to the yearly premium increases back then. Did they think their doctors had stopped charging? Or that insurance companies became non-profits?

      • Scooby

        They dont remember that because prior to the ACA they probably didn’t have medical insurance.

      • Daisy

        My family remembers paying for COBRA. Of me and my mom losing our insurance after my dad was forced to retire, in his late thirties. Of going without said insurance until the ACA.

    • OneYieldRegular

      So in other words, she’s just as self-absorbed and lacking in empathy as Trump himself.

      • Scooby

        Her statement appeard to me as total cognitive dissonance.

    • Gayer Than Thou

      Well, but to be fair, zero premium is much cheaper. Now, it may be that in some instances, the cost of the premium may be felt in other areas of one’s life, or perhaps even greater costs could arise, but it cannot be said that premiums themselves got any more expensive.

  • Nounverb911

    No Asra, Amarosa isn’t going to change your position on her list.

    • kindness

      Wait till they tell Asra she has to wear a pink Crescent on her shirt at all times.

  • MynameisBlarney
    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Impeach him? Which one of the spineless bootlickers in the GOP do you think would risk the backlash from the Trumpanzees?

      • MynameisBlarney

        If more of this Russian connection comes to light and it’s damning. They may have no choice but to throw him under the bus in an effort to save their shitty party.

        • Daisy

          Hopefully, the Russian stuff comes to light when the electors still have a choice to overturn the decision then, because Pence isn’t any better.

          • MynameisBlarney

            Pence is worse.
            But just barely.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          It would take something that substantial and someone who plans to retire to lead the way, but I don’t see a Trump DOJ giving a shit about pursuing it. I don’t see an AG Giuliani going there. And I don’t see any of them having the fucking balls to go on record opposing the haters that put them in office.

          • MynameisBlarney

            Maybe they might throw him under said bus before the inauguration.

            Anyway…I ain’t holdin’ my breath. I’m preparing for at least four long and shitty years of unprecedented douchebaggery.

          • 98C3LCMT9Y4

            Well, the 2018 election will give some states the opportunity to get rid of their republican senators and ALL the representatives are “running” for their positions. And I doubt excrement boy will have accomplished anything on his bucket list by that date – so some voters may have learned a hard lesson & vote accordingly.

        • timpundit

          I wish I could believe that.

          • MynameisBlarney

            We’re watching history unfold before our very eyes. I’m not betting against any thing right now.

        • SullivanSt

          I’m really sure the FBI & DOJ are going to continue to be completely fair and impartial and follow the evidence where it leads with Trump after his choice for AG is their boss.

          • MynameisBlarney

            Oh, I’m sure too.
            But maybe the NSA and CIA are looking into this as well.

          • starkitty

            “Interdepartmental Schisms To Save Democracy as We Know It!”

          • SullivanSt

            OK, but they are not prosecutorial agencies. Might make for an awkward PDB but don’t see what else they could do unless they wanted to deep throat David Fahrenthold.

        • starkitty

          Yeah and it will be doubtful Pence will whether that. Whats’ he gonna do? Pull a Bush senior and claim he wasn’t in the room?

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          Fuck, I hope so.

        • kindness

          ??? Trump has proven it doesn’t matter. The people that voted for Trump don’t demand consistency. They don’t require integrity. They explicitly said they could give a shit about anything The Donald did and really only want to be free to kick hippies, foreigners and Democrats.

          I don’t understand why I have to keep explaining this to people.

      • timpundit

        So we’d also have to depend on some spineless democrats to join in. You know how they all lost their dicks and vaginas after reagan got elected…hell even after bush did. they aren’t going to impeach shit.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          Yup, they’re all spineless cowards too- best nuke the whole place from orbit, just to be sure

    • Daisy

      And have Pence instead? I like the slight chance of Roe v Wade still existing four years from now, no thanks.

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    Dear Asra Q. Nomani, you could have saved a lot of typing and simply written

    “I am a fucking moron”

  • Zippy W Pinhead
  • Daisy

    Fuck her, fuck my demographic ( white, female, and millennial), fuck the people who think like her. I want to apologize to my fellow student worker (Hispanic male), my boss (black female), and my Floridian friend (who last night stated, “I’m queer, female, and Hispanic)

    • starkitty

      This reminds me of a book that was published after GWB’s second election full of Americans across the continent apologizing to the world.

    • Painter of Goats

      Same here Daisy, same here.

  • proudgrampa

    What a fucking idiot.

  • TJ Barke

    FUCK YOU UP A RIVER SINGLE ISSUE VOTERS!

    • Ali | A Grumpy Cat

      To be fair, I’m a single-issue voter. That issue happens to be NOT DAMNING US ALL TO HELL.

      • Daisy

        So is my senior English teacher. She called it, “not ushering in the apocalypse.”

      • Longstreet63

        Its a pity that position did not garner a majority, losing to “If we just wish hard enough, that fire will not burn us” in the electoral college.

  • BigRedDog

    Biggest group of Trump supporters by far are morons, regardless of race, gender, or anything else.

    • MynameisBlarney

      That is the demo he does best with.

      • Seek

        As he acknowledged early in the primary process. So that’s one thing he got right in the last two years.

      • kindness

        Easiest to con.

  • SullivanSt

    Thank you for putting words to the feelings that left me with only sputtering rage and contempt upon reading that column.

  • Ali | A Grumpy Cat

    It blows my mind how many actual Trump supporters act like Trump didn’t say all this racist shit, or even if he did, he didn’t actually mean it, or anyway, it’s not like any of this will ever happen.

    I get that you are never going to agree 100% with everything your candidate proposes. Did I disagree with Hillary’s gun control plans? Well, sorta, but that’s only because I support repealing the second amendment and that is pretty much crazy and I’m probably the only American who is for that. I supported what she wanted to do and only wished she could do MORE. If she had been for a gun in every house and free ammo every Tuesday, this bitch would have been like, “Okay, hold up.”

    • Shibusa

      And all these very same people cannot let go of Michelle O saying, “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I’m really proud of my country…” years ago.

    • SullivanSt

      Thing is, he might not even have actually meant it at first.

      But he doesn’t mean anything. Whatever gets him the glow of attention is what gets him off. And the racist shit got him that glow.

      Now, it doesn’t matter what he says any more. It won’t bring Hussain Saeed Alnahdi back to life. It won’t erase the damage done to people of color by the swastikas being painted around the country by the febrile apes he’s unleashed or to women by the hooting gibbons yelling from their pickup trucks about finger-fucking them ’til they bleed after failing to run them over.

      • Ali | A Grumpy Cat

        I’m inclined to think he did believe it, given allegations about him being a racist fucker back in the day.

        But you’re exactly right – it doesn’t matter if he believed it or not; it is our reality now, with all the filth and dregs of humanity come out to play.

        • SullivanSt

          I’m trying to hone my communication skills to deal with the “he can’t be racist he lets blacks on his golf course and TV program” idiocy that surrounds me. It’s very hard to get through.

          Certainly there’s clear evidence of internalized racial prejudice, viz the whole rant about how much he hates having black accountants and would much prefer the jooooz.

          And it’s equally clear that he has absolutely no compunction or hesitation in actively discriminating whenever there might be profit in it, whether it be by pandering to the racism of 60s white potential tenants or the racism of 80s mobster high-rollers in his casino.

          So I’m think that might be how I’ll try to avoid pointless semantic games about what it means to say someone “is a racist”.

      • Gayer Than Thou

        Right? Leadership is, among other things, understanding the effect of what you say. This is why politicians are often exceedingly careful in how they word things. Sure, they’re often lying or dissembling. But they’re also mindful that words matter, and amplified words matter more.

        • Ali | A Grumpy Cat

          And that’s exactly why Hillary and Obama are being polite and respectful, even though I’ve seen people slamming them for that.

    • OneYieldRegular

      It’s almost as though these people have never read a single word about Europe in the 1930’s.

      • Ali | A Grumpy Cat

        Pfft, the Holocaust was a silly liberal lie.

        • SuspectedDemocrat

          Besides, that was the Socialists so nothing to worry about now.

        • Daisy

          So you’ve met my grandfather? Who, incidentally, found Trump unbelievably tacky.

          • Ali | A Grumpy Cat

            My uncle has no problem dropping the n-word regularly and actually thought Trump was disgusting and “trying to go too far”. I still don’t know what that means, exactly.

          • Daisy

            Grandpa died a few years before I was born, and this would have been the first election he was eligible to vote in decades (California felony voting restrictions) My mom was like, “Come on people, he’s too tacky for my dad!”

      • jowgajen

        One of the key economic factors of the late 20s that led to the stock market crash and great depression was rising wealth inequality. Surprisingly (ha!) after the economic collapse, the rich were still ok, it was the middle class and poor who were financially devastated. The US elected FDR who used Keynesian economic theory to create the New Deal … which may not have worked, it was actually the advent of WW2 that pulled us out of depression. We just kicked our neo-Keynesian to the curb and chose an authoritarian monetarist instead …. guess what other nations made that choice in the 30s?

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          Actually, we were making a good deal of progress with the New Deal until FDR caved to deficit hawks in 1937 and cut back spending. His policies were also not strictly Keynesian, given that John Maynard Keynes didn’t publish ‘The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money’ until 1936, well into the New Deal. Had it been published earlier, we might have seen an even more robust approach from FDR than we actually got.

      • 98C3LCMT9Y4

        Their jasus coloring books [aka textbooks] don’t mention that ‘history”, just the imaginary stuff they insist is ‘real.’

  • wide_stance_hubby

    Stonewall from coast to coast, baby. Don’t make us take these heels off. . .

  • BadKitty904

    OT: GOP “family values” and “personal responsibility” in action!

    White Supremacists Urge Trolling Clinton Supporters to Suicide
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2016/11/10/white-supremacists-urge-trolling-clinton-supporters-suicide/93617792/

    • Daisy

      *breathes* I really don’t want to get banhammered, so I’m not going to respond to that.

      How are you and the boyfriend doing, BadKitty?

      • BadKitty904

        It’s not worth responding to on their level, toots. We’re not the one’s hiding behind white hoods – we’re better than that AND we’re tuffer than that.

        In re: me and the Big Cat – it’s kinda funny, in a horrible sorta way. He’s trying to keep me calm and I’m trying to keep my buds calm. Many of them are younger than me and genuinely frightened by these developments.

        • Daisy

          *hugs* It must be. You aren’t even all that much older than me, yourself.

          • BadKitty904

            Ha! No, really, I’m not. But I grew up in a family that argues politics from the cradle up – some of these guys and gals don’t much follow politics and don’t clearly understand what’s happening.

            They really don’t know if their lives are in danger RIGHT NOW, do they need to flee the country immediately, etc. What’s especially sad is that at least three of them came to the U.S., individually or with their families, to escape danger in their homelands.

          • Daisy

            Awww man, that’s sad. I wish I could help them, too.

          • BadKitty904

            Which shows that you’re a REAL American, because that’s what Americans do. Versus those who want to deport them.

    • Ali | A Grumpy Cat

      We’re all gay commies, so it’s for the good of society if we kill ourselves. OR something.

      • Longstreet63

        Yes, we are Gay Commie Marxist Socialists, but at least we know who the Nazis are today.

      • BadKitty904

        WE aren’t the problem. I’ve never seen a liberal-American urge a conservative-American to kill themselves. Though, Lord knows…

        • Ali | A Grumpy Cat

          I have it on good authority from Alex Jones that we do that all the time, when we’re not shoving our gay agenda down everyone’s throats and watching porn on our Obamaphones while waiting online for our big fat Obama welfare check after we just killed some babies and declared martial law because that’s how we roll.

    • SullivanSt

      As if the suicides that have already been reported weren’t horrific enough.

      I cannot hide my disgust.

      • Daisy

        I’m going to end up losing it at home. No more nice Daisy. I was the sweet one before.My former classmates, my family? At the very least, I’ll make them uncomfortable. Berkeley protest culture should work well.

        • Smoke’EmIfYouGot’EmO’hontas

          Be tough. Be Nasty.

        • jsmukg

          You need to become a NASTY WOMAN for good.

      • BadKitty904

        I’ve been trying to think if I’ve ever seen a LITERAL example of “beneath contempt”…

        • Lance Thrustwell

          Looks like we just did. useful rubric –

          Stein voter: contempt.
          Stormfront member: beneath contempt.

    • wide_stance_hubby

      Hugs for the BadKittys!

      • BadKitty904

        Awww! How are you boys coming along? Y’all bearing up? Working on a Plan B, in case we have to flee?

        If it comes to that, we’re looking at British Columbia, around Vancouver. As warm as it currently gets Up There, near the water, and it’s Canada, which is what the United States is supposed to be.

        • wide_stance_hubby

          We’re holding our own (heh heh). Funny you mention Canada, because while I have lived through the let’s-go-to-Canada days of both the Vietnam War and Dubya, this is the 1st time I really felt the urge to go. I work 100% remotely so could theoretically up and go and take my laptop office of 1 with me. Hubby is more tied to his job than I but I doubt I’d have to try too hard to convince him to go. It’s sad and scary but I remind myself, the Bush years were far from pleasant.

          • BadKitty904

            Good deal! Come join us in British Columbia!

            Truth be told, we’re not going anywhere anytime soon. We’re going to fight this out, because it’s worth fighting for. But I feel some better knowing that we have an escape plan if push comes to shove. Better to live and fight another day…

          • wide_stance_hubby

            Prolly not going either, but this is the first time I’ve really, really thought about it.

          • BadKitty904

            Like I said, I, at least, feel some better knowing we have have a Plan B, in extreme circumstances.

            Now that I’m getting past “horror” and to “anger,” I’d rather stay and fight it out. Surely us liberals are smart enough to obstruct and generally fuck up the GOP’s plans for the next four years. As I mentioned earlier, the ACLU has already begun forming a “Rebel Alliance,” so there’s a start…

          • wide_stance_hubby

            “Obstruct” being key here: I hope somebody’s been taking notes from the last 8 years, cuz now we need to become the party of “FUCK No.”

          • BadKitty904

            I agree a thousandbillionty percent. They did it the easy way, with a Congressional majority. But there must be SOMETHING we can do to make their lives/agenda a living hell.

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      If I ever did have suicidal thoughts, they are gone now because fuck those guys.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      like I just said on Wonkville (our headlines are funnier™)

      Fuck these assholes, I’m not going anywhere

      • neminem

        Yes, I will admit, after the election, there were some fleeting moments of desire to say screw the planet, I want off…

        I would like to propose the perfect quote for the situation, courtesy of Kaylee: “To hell with this, I’m gonna live!”

      • BadKitty904

        Absolutely! This is my country, too, fuckwit, and I WILL fight for it.

    • CogitoErgoBibo

      Remember folks, if you’re thinking about killing (with votes!), murder is always the option; not suicide.

      • BadKitty904

        Why go alone?

    • OneYieldRegular

      Oh dear, I can’t possibly commit suicide. I have far too many things to do, like evacuate my bowels into a KKK member’s white hood.

      • The Wanderer

        While he’s wearing it?

    • starkitty

      The best revenge is to out live your enemy.

      • BadKitty904

        All things being equal, I can and will do that, in most instances – 100th+ birthdays are not uncommon in my family.

        But I would like my homeland to outlive its current enemies, too.

        • starkitty

          I feel saddest fro the people who are in their 60s+ right now. They may never see the end of it in their lifetimes. :(

          • BadKitty904

            I’m 27 and I doubt I’ll see the end of this in my lifetime. The effects of this nightmare will last for at least decades..

    • Longstreet63

      It’s funny, really, how little they understand us. They want us to be sad and hurt and angry, but they don’t understand at all why we feel that way. They think we are butthurt at not winning because “all the LIberals want is power.” Like consent, I suppose empathy is also foreign to them. They can’t conceive of anything of importance besides victory at all costs.

      • BadKitty904

        Truly. POWER and CONTROL, as I’ve said before, are the Republican Party’s sole motivators. They have nothing else, except fear, which they use to gain their two objectives.

        I’m still youngish, but I’ve never yet met a Dem who was strongly motivated by either of those factors.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      I forget, from time to time, that there are evil people in the world. It sounds silly, but I think there is a kind of denial that creeps up and covers you, when you’re not thinking about it. And then you are reminded of it again. And again. Like waking up from a dream.

      EDIT: This is a central dilemma: it’s important not to demonize your opponents. It’s important to not simply label people as “evil’, because that shuts down dialogue and empathy, and can lead to horrible atrocities when the so-called “evil” people are rounded up and given what they “deserve.”

      And yet… evil people are a reality.

      How to resolve this?

      • BadKitty904

        While everyone must make some judgements in order to survive, I don’t feel that it’s my place to make sweeping judgements of human worth. I’m too keenly aware of my own flaws. There are evil people in this world (a minority), there are bad people who do good things and good people who do bad things (the majority), and there are people in this world who are good (also a minority). While I try to understand their motivations, I am not responsible for the intents and actions of others. I am responsible for mine and I choose – as far as it lies within my power – to do good.

        What you’re describing above is what I would call “spite” or “revenge”. One of the many things I learned from my Granddad is that “revenge” is an expensive and useless luxury. It harms the avenger, as well as the perpetrator (real or otherwise), and produces nothing positive.

    • Smoke’EmIfYouGot’EmO’hontas

      They seem nice.

  • Teecha

    The loons just do not accept it. They truly do not believe it. They think that racism and sexism isn’t true, or that it is the correct way for the world.

  • Yuengling

    Well put.

  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    Revisionists and morons will continue hacking away at America’s freedoms and the facts. That’s what they do. But we’ll always have “Grab ’em by the pussy.”

  • TheDogAteMyVote

    “I voted for Hitler assuming somebody would stop him, obvs.”

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      Franz von Papen, is that you?

      • Longstreet63

        …and Marinus Van Der Lubbe–er, Mohammed , probably will be the next person to look out for…

      • OneYieldRegular

        Dilbert guy, is that you?

      • Tony West

        Bravo on the astute history reference!

    • Yuengling

      Exactly. And all I keep wondering, with all the trump voters still acting vicious and spiteful, is if this was how the Nazis felt under Hitler. As if having their person in power was carte blanche for their bigotry.

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        They really do think they’ve taken their country back from those people.

      • Little Lulu

        What you’re saying has been on my mind since yesterday, when I started to read posts by people who have been victimized by racists since the election – some of whom are very good friends of mine and among the best people I’ve ever known. The parallels to 1930s Germany are so evident; Trump’s rise to power, like Hitler’s, has given the worst human beings license to be as bad as they can be. And if history is anything to go by, things will get much worse before they get better because Trump has shown no inclination to do anything about what’s happening because he, like Hitler, is a sociopath. And I think all that’s been happening to our country this year makes the Trump-Hitler analogy appropriate.

      • YoNastyBunny

        I used to think that it was a little bit extreme for those 90-year old Nazis to be hunted down and prosecuted after so long. I now appreciate the unwavering commitment to get their asses and call bullshit on those who used the “I was just following orders” defense.

        We all know that if we make it onto the other side this crisis to see better days, they’re suddenly become all coy and confused about their Trump support.

        I guess that’s the regrettable part about postbellum Reconstruction and the Civil Rights movement–none of the bigots every to had pay for all shitty things they did (a few, maybe). They just melted back into society and were allowed to move on with their lives like nothing happened. And we just can’t allow this shit to happen again.

  • elviouslyqueer

    And not only did you make more work for other people that you claim to agree with, you made that work a hell of a lot harder, by joining forces with and legitimizing hate groups, men’s rights groups, the alt-right, and, indeed, Donald Fucking Trump.

    All this right here. I am frankly sick and tired of fighting. I fought against not one, but two, RFRAs in Mississippi. I fought for same-sex marriage and have put myself and my husband out there (literally) on the front page of our newspaper and on local TV stations to defend and legitimate our marriage. I have gotten screamed at by my local state senator who informed me that he didn’t give a shit about me or my “lifestyle” and who told me “You don’t matter to me.” I leave my house every single day fearing that my car tires will be slashed or there will be homophobic graffiti scrawled on our garage. I’m afraid that someone will poison our dogs and cats because, what the hell, we’re just faggots and faggots deserve what they get for living in Mississippi. I’ve been told countless times that I should either quit complaining about Mississippi or “just move.”

    I am exhausted. I am terrified. And I resent the fact that this bitch right here has forced me to keep fighting for my love, my marriage, my livelihood, and my very existence. But fight I will. Fuck her.

    • EQ, you’re not fighting alone, though it may seem so. We’ve got this,

    • Ali | A Grumpy Cat

      You’re exactly right. We shouldn’t have to keep fighting for the right to just be treated like everyone else. But I’m glad you’re fighting.

    • CogitoErgoBibo

      Honey, we’ll all be fighting right beside you. And thank you for your service in the civil rights war. We all owe a debt of gratitude to you for helping bring justice into this world.

    • ThePuckStopsHere

      NEUV. (Not Enough Up Votes)

    • wide_stance_hubby

      EQ, honey. I know from what you say and am rarely anyone’s cheer squad, but please try to hang in there. This is a hideous backlash, but we have lived through worse. Did you ever think you would marry your beloved? Whatever your answer, you did and “they” are not going to take it back, however awful our fears are now. Take the weekend off from news and hug your hubby until it feels, if not better, less worse, OK?

    • arglebargle

      God damn. I’m sorry. I know that’s not enough, and I should have done more before. But I’m gonna do what I can to help now. We’ve got a lot to do to get back to where I thought we were already. Quite obviously we weren’t anywhere near as tolerant as a nation as I thought.

    • phoenix00

      I fight with you too. Don’t ever lose hope.

  • Yuengling

    How long before the buyer’s remorse sets in? Or will they be like Bush voters and when the shit hits the fan act like they didn’t vote for him?

    • OneYieldRegular

      Nunhunhunhunh. None of these f*ckers gets to pretend they didn’t vote the way they did. Not this time. Never forget.

  • OneYieldRegular

    Not to be a grammar Nazi or anything, but the “fear-mongering” has already come to fruition. I think Ms. Nomeni probably meant the actual things about which there has been such mongering (which are already coming to fruition too, in case Ms. Nomeni hasn’t noticed the “TRUMP!” graffiti showing up where Muslims gather).

    More importantly, though, what do those “checks and balances” mean after Tuesday?

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “Grammar Nazis are the only Nazis not welcome in my administration.”
      — Donald Trump

  • sosuume
    • TheDogAteMyVote

      LOL! IKR? Scared SHITLESS!

      • Longstreet63

        Will he, indeed, soil himself when they show him the nuclear football?

        • TheDogAteMyVote

          Right after he has a shattering orgasm.

      • MynameisBlarney
        • blondeiq

          I got three words for anyone with buyer’s remorse. No. Fucking. Mercy. If you want conciliation and nice nice, look elsewhere. Giving zero fucks.

          • MynameisBlarney

            Aye, same here!

          • YoNastyBunny

            I, for one, am not going to let anybody forget this shit. If I live to be 110 years, I will always this shit and everybody who supported him. Forgive ’em… Maybe… Forget. NOPE!!! Always and forever.

          • wide_stance_hubby

            Thing I overheard co-worker say years ago: “You want sympathy? It’s in the dictionary between shit and syphilis.”

    • MynameisBlarney
    • wide_stance_hubby

      Now he gets to see how warm and fuzzy the idiots who voted for him are when they don’t get the cakes they like. I think the puppet is not liking the strings so much now.

      • MynameisBlarney

        Putin’s forearm startin to chafe a little bit there, trumpy?

    • Ali | A Grumpy Cat

      “Shit, there’s work? I thought I was just going to be able to tell people they were fired and yell about those rapist Mexicans.”

      • YoNastyBunny

        “Can I make all federal employees sign a non-disclosure agreement?”

        • Ali | A Grumpy Cat

          “What do you mean I can’t grab their asses?”

    • I just realized something. Do you know how presidents always accelerate their aging process while in office? What in the good grape gumdrop is he going to look like at the of this?

  • DoILookAmused2u ?

    I feel like it’s too early for these “Don’t blame me for Trump, I voted for Trump because…” folks to be announcing themselves to the whole world.

    He hasn’t even taken office yet.

    Or … if you are that willing to commit, have it tattooed on your face because if things go sideways, tattoo removal is painful, and you will remember that forever.

    • OneYieldRegular

      I vow to remember these people forever whether or not they have tattoos.

      • DoILookAmused2u ?

        Like those “W” stickers, they will magically evaporate except for among the craziest of the bunch.

        Folks tend to rewrite their histories.

        • MynameisBlarney

          I remember all those republicans that never voted for dubya, lol.

          • SuspectedDemocrat

            Because he was No True Conservative!

    • MynameisBlarney

      We’re seeing “Buyers Remorse” set in faster than ever in all of recorded history.

      • SuspectedDemocrat

        Technically, Trump can start a trade war with China on Day 1. Then we’ll see some real whining about economic uncertainty.

  • This lady gets it and is smart AF. You have an anti-Muslim fascist in power…best to get some proof in print that you should not be on “the list.”

    • SullivanSt

      Appeasement always works out just great, right?

      • Latverian Diplomat

        Isn’t that the motto of the Priesthood of Cthulu?

        • MynameisBlarney

          No…pretty sure their motto is.
          “ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn”

      • You can’t answer parody with sarcasm. Ghostbusters was very clear about what happens when you cross streams.

        • SuspectedDemocrat

          You get attacked by Milo’s army of twitter trolls?

        • SullivanSt

          But Gozer’s right there dammit!

  • Latverian Diplomat

    “I voted for Trump for reasons that make no sense, and in spite of thousands of reasons not to. Now, where’s my applause?”

  • Longstreet63

    So, her whole rationale, is “It can’t happen here, so I can safely vote for it”?

    Reminds me of “They couldn’t hit an elephant at this dist–” (Last words of Gen Sedgwick)

  • Garbageman

    This is the really weird part about this election. Well, let me rephrase that. There were a lot of really weird parts, but this one stands out: OK, if people vote for Donald Trump out of ignorance, in a way, I can understand that. I may not like it, but I can understand it. What’s even worse, though, was there were a lot of Trump supporters who knew everything about him – including all the worst things – and they voted for him anyway. Like I said before, they’re gonna need to take full ownership of this one . . .

    • starkitty

      I suspect these people subconsciously are “driven by identity politics”, but it conflicts with the image of themselves as the broadminded person they prefer to present. Hence the schizo rationalizations.

      • Latverian Diplomat

        A fair slice of Trumpkins lied to pollsters, whether out of embarrassment or fear remains uncertain. Trump did better with people responding to recorded poll questions than to a live human being. Draw your own conclusions.

        • starkitty

          I heard that. And what’s the point of lying? What are they afraid of? The person taking the pole putting them on a list for the sekrit FEMA reeducation camp? Jeezus, it doesn’t even make sense.

          • Longstreet63

            The point is Spite. They’ve been told for years that the Enemy is the Media, The Left, etc, and what gives them the biggest thrill in their powerless lives is the warm embrace of spite. That one way, they can stick it to the Enemy, and Hell with the consequences.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          welcome to the Bradley effect

      • Garbageman

        He apparently got quite a few first-time voters, too . . . and they were automatically screened out by pollsters (who tend to disregard responses from people who have never voted) . . . smh . . .

  • geekymetalhead
  • starkitty

    “don’t buy the political hyperbole — agenda-driven identity politics of its own — that demonized Trump and his supporters.”

    Um, but “agenda driven identity politics” is why he won….omg, brain hurts….

    • DoILookAmused2u ?

      Cognitive dissonance: she’s willing to look past all of that is what she means.

      None of the identity politics–even his–factored into her decision.

      Of course, I am not what sort of bistromathic calculus she employed to arrive at her conclusion other than “insurance premium high. I blame Obama/Clinton and don’t know how Government does or doesn’t work”.

      • starkitty

        Cogdiz–that was exactly where I was trying to go in my above comment. Thank you. Something in her DOES identify with Trump, probably his fake working class appeal. But at the same time she knows he’s a sleaze. How to reconcile? Circular rationalizations which boil down to “My feels of cultural comfort matter more that other peoples safety in the real world”.

  • Monsieur_Grumpe

    I doubt this petition can do anything but what the fuck. Sign it you’ll feel better.
    https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19

    • starkitty

      Yeh, we passed that around last night, but keep on passing it!

      This is something a protest could help magnify. Unfocused protests blocking traffic and pissing people off won’t help. But a protest with a goal, the last ditch effort to stave off fascism, will appeal to people.

  • PubOption

    on the other hand, I have a co-worker who has said that she always voted Republican. but couldn’t this time, because of social issues. She looked pretty sick on Wednesday morning.

  • Juan de Payaso
  • Ilgattomorte

    Great! … and while we’re at it.

    I am so damn tired of people telling me we need to “reset”, we need to “give him a chance”, or the ever popular, “you don’t know, it might work out”. We all must be conciliatory.

    BULLSHIT!

    This mouth-breathing asshole spent the last two years saying the most racist, horrible, disgusting shit and just because he managed to get a gig from the only audition he has ever had in his life, I am supposed to sit back, wait and give him a chance to be presidential. Well, fuck you. No, it is up to him to prove he can do the job and to show that he can be a reasonable human being. It’s my job to be suspicious, at best and hold his feet to the fire when he fails, because there is no historical evidence that he’s anything but a racist douchebag.

    Oh yeah. To all of the people who say that we must strive understand those poor, decimated Midwestern voters (the ones who are hurting and definitely not racist), Fuck You up the ass too. I do understand them. I feel for their problems, but when they screw the rest of us by choosing a racist creamsicle for president, like some traveling snake oil salesman, they deserve nothing but scorn.

    … in case I missed anyone. Fuck them as well.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      I live in the Midwest and have had my share of disappointments through the recession, etc. My sister was hurt even more by it and she spent some time trying to figure out how to feed both herself and her children. But the assholes around me are just as smug in their self-righteousness as their image of the liberal elites. But worse, they’re smug over thier lack of interest and curiosity about the world. They’re smug about their religious values being better than others because they’re so much more godly. And they’re smug about their certainty that they are the center of the fuckin’ universe.

      This week, decent people are all feeling like the world has tilted on its axis. This is how many midwesterners felt over other people getting to live their lives. So sure, I have a better understanding of how disorienting it is to have everything you belived about the world challenged at a very fundamental level. But I have little sympathy for people who felt that way because other people were finally getting the same rights they’ve always enjoyed. And I have zero sympathy for those who, instead of trying to understand why that change was happening, lashed out and hurt everyone they could.

      • Ilgattomorte

        Yeah! What you said.

      • The Devastated Ms. MLG

        Every excuse they have pulled out of their asses (economic insecurity, Liberal Elites, blah, pffft) and every excuse (they’re poor!) some well-meaning person tries to make for them is bullshit. It’s meanness and selfishness, pure and simple. They are enjoying every bit of our despair and fear. We don’t want to believe the nice guy next door is a serial killer, but I’ll accept it as the truth when the severed heads are being carried out of his basement. I have seen enough proof this week to know exactly where I stand as a woman and human being in America. I knew they hated me, but I didn’t how much or how many. I’ve seen the heads carried up from the basement, and I can’t unsee it, or convince myself I saw something else.

    • Kateaux

      Please don’t assume that all midwesterners are pro-Pussy Grabber, because we are not. It’s just that the voices of those of us who are not were drowned out on Tuesday by the Marching Morons (see C.M. Kornbluth’s classic novella of that name — it predates “Idiocracy” by a good 55 years).

      • Ilgattomorte

        Not at all. I’m just tired of being told that, because of my Northeastern sensibilities, I cannot possible understand the plight of the blue-collar Midwesterner. If there is an information bubble, then it exists in all communities, not just with “the liberal elite”. I’ve spent a great deal of time in other parts of the country, getting to know all types of people and I find it interesting that many of those I’ve met have never left their state.

  • Resistance Fighter Astraea

    Help me, Green Day.

    True sounds of maniacal laughter
    And the deafmute is misleading the choir
    The punchline is a natural disaster
    And it’s sung by the unemployed
    Fight fire with a riot
    The class war is hanging on a wire because the martyr is a compulsive liar
    https://youtu.be/id-7VlGSNn8

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Wake me up when September ends

      • The Devastated Ms. MLG

        I’m not a part of a redneck agenda.

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        September 2020?

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          just in time for another October surprise

          • Resistance Fighter Astraea

            How thrilling.

    • Juan de Payaso

      Trump in the White House is what happens when people get their philosophy from a bumper sticker.

      https://youtu.be/eebfMFzJHNs

    • CogitoErgoBibo

      Probably need to revive Pink’s “Dear Mr. President” while we’re at it. https://youtu.be/wmMS9XVIa00

  • Well, they will defund Planned Parenthood, and once Roe v. Wade is overturned, I don’t believe there is anything that would stop a Republican Congress from passing a Federal law outlawing abortion and/or contraception in all 50 states, so you might have to take a trip to Canada or Europe to have one done.

    Likewise, once their SCOTUS has overturned gay marriage, I don’t see any block from Congress outlawing it in all fifty states. They might have to accept those who are already married, but they can, I think, prevent any more from getting married anywhere.

    The GOP likes to talk Federalism, but that’s not something they really respect if it comes to your naughty bits.

    • Anna Rompage

      Even if they replace Scalia with someone equally as repugnant, we still have a split court, we just gotta pray RBG can hold out until the next dem is elected, or until we take over the senate…

      • Seems kind of insane for a voter to put all their hopes to keep their rights on the backs of a few octogenarians living another four years, just because they didn’t like Hillary.

      • Latverian Diplomat

        Anthony Kennedy is in my pessimist self’s deadpool, if he doesn’t resign early in Trump’s term to make way for younger, meaner justice.

      • TheDogAteMyVote

        I will pick her up and carry her around the court house if need be. I’ll make her tea and rub her feet, too.

  • boyblue123

    “Im jewish and I voted for Hitler but its ok because…..”

    Some people just arent born with a brain i guess

  • Vicious Babushka

    The Apricot Scamster bet on the fact that the stupids outnumber the smarts. Welcome to the Idiocracy, just 10 years later.

  • Tony West

    Thank you.

    I completely agree. I have had online arguments with conservatives and I actually respect the ones that are open about their convictions than the chicken shit cowards who spew conservative, Republican dogma but say, “I’m an independent, man!” Like they are better than me or anyone else who picks a side – warts and all – and stands for it.

    For me it is like this: I am a man with white skin. I have marketable, transferable skills and a manageable amount of debt and hope to begin buying my first home within the next few years.

    I am not worried about my rights – this was for the “other.” Women, minorities, immigrants, gays and so on.

    I hate to say this, but I will get mine. Why should I care about women when millions vote for Trump? Why should I care about stop and frisk for black people when they did not vote because millions feel like that idiot Collin Kaepernick? Why would I care if they actually begin rounding up Latinos and deporting them if 25% voted Trump? Why would I care if younger people who were too cool to vote get their arms and legs blown off in a war based on lies?

    I cannot make people care. I cannot make people think, and like the idiot twat who wrote the article in the Post, why would I care to waste my time and energy trying to explain why she is wrong?

    I know I will survive. I guess America must hit rock bottom first…but again, as I have posted, wasn’t the disaster that was the Bush II administration enough? Must we have a nuclear war and bread lines to know when enough is enough?

    If that is the case – and it certainly seems that way after the vote on Tuesday – then I cannot help but conclude – fuck them.

    I will put those time and resources into myself and developing myself.

  • ThePuckStopsHere

    Robyn’s writing is so good it makes me wish we could get our asses handed to us some more. Well, maybe not. But close, definitely close.

  • A most excellent piece Robyn.

    No, not like that silly.

  • This may have been discussed already but Trumps lawyers have asked for his Nov. 28 court date to be postponed until after the inauguration.

    “It’s not a crime if the President does it”, Dick Nixon.

    • The Wanderer

      “I will make it legal.” – Darth Sidious.

      • Kateaux

        Indeed. And if we’re going to Star Wars this, then remember: the Old Republic was *immune*, utterly and completely *immune* to attack from without. Instead, it rotted from within. Its own citizens allowed Palpatine to happen, allowed him to manipulate them.

        (Sorry, guys, today I’ve been thinking more and more about the likely fates of Medicare/Medicaid, SNAP, and Social Security Disability, all of which I am dependent upon. And it hasn’t been a happy or encouraging thought process.)

        • Smoke’EmIfYouGot’EmO’hontas

          I’m sorry for the uncertainty, and even sorrier for the certainty.
          I will continue to fight. Cold comfort, I know, but it’s what I’ve got.

        • lroom

          I depend on those things too and I’m terrified.

    • DoILookAmused2u ?

      Considering this case has been delayed since 2010, are they trying to run out a statutory clock?

      • Latverian Diplomat

        FWIW, aren’t those limits on the date of filing of charges, not on the trial date (for exactly this reason).

        • DoILookAmused2u ?

          yea, but it would not be the first time I heard of an attorney trying to argue it nonetheless.

          Also, do not forget possible shenanigans like arguing it has to move to a federal court after inauguration.

          • SuspectedDemocrat

            With Judge Trey Gowdy presiding.

      • Judge Curiel could expedite things and if for some reason Trump was found guilty of a felony, he could not be sworn in as I understand it.

      • CogitoErgoBibo

        More likely an attempt to empty the opposition’s coffers with an even longer, extended fight. Time, after all, is money. And fuck him, thank you very much. Those people have already waited too long for justice.

  • The Wanderer

    Assholio said the right things, and people voted against their own self-interests in droves. All the shitheads who screamed “Government off my Medicare!” will find out just how much they’ll miss Obama.

    • TheDogAteMyVote

      Just read at Salon that Paul Ryan will now have his green light to privatize and voucherize the Medicare system. FFS.

      • The Wanderer

        Yep. Also, too, Social Security.

        • Daisy

          Trump voters essentially just signed my father’s death warrant, then.

          • Smoke’EmIfYouGot’EmO’hontas

            Sorry Daisy, but he will not be alone by a long shot.

        • BadKitty904

          So, the GOP is actively working to further reduce their own base?

          • TheDogAteMyVote

            Meh, Russian hackers can create a virtual voting base. They may already have…

          • BadKitty904

            I’m STILL wondering about that. But, as far as I know, there’s no government agency left in this country that can be trusted to investigate it.

          • SuspectedDemocrat

            Or make them even angrier that immigrants took away their Social Security.

          • BadKitty904

            So, they stroke out? Still a win for us. Time is on our side and there’s nothing the Repugs can do about that…

          • Longstreet63

            That, after the disenfranchisement of ours, is one of the goals. Ultimately an oligarchy suffers from the presence of too many voters.
            The Senate of the late Roman Republic was the poster child for this approach.

          • BadKitty904

            Anything that threatens Repug CONTROL is The Enemy. Over the next four years, count on the GOP focusing hard on voter suppression, gerrymandering, and, above all, the courts, the only thing that currently stands in their path to permanent POWER.

    • Longstreet63

      So you still haven’t taken the measure of their stupidity yet?
      What will happen is that they will be told to BLAME Obama. And then someone will point at a brown person and that will become their new slogan: Obama destroyed Medicare!

  • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

    So I go to my kid’s school today for their Thanksgiving lunch, where I noticed a lot of large SUV’s were parked in a muddy ditch. Heh I thought, what a bunch of idiots, there is a perfectly level paved empty parking lot on the opposite side. That’s where I am going to park and walk a little bit more to the front door.

    After the lunch was over, lo and behold what did I see?? A ton of white women, dressed in the latest Rhee Drummond fashion, fretting over their giant Expeditions and Tahoes stuck in a motherfucking ditch. The school had to call tow trucks for these goddamned idiots. Now how much do you want to bet they’ll call the school complaining about the muddy ditch??

    I would be poor if I took that bet. Fucking idiots. This whole place, full of idiots! I do not care, I hope these dumb dumbs saw my liberal elite ass laughing at their stupidity.

    • From the mud grows the lotus?

      Not always, apparently.

    • TheDogAteMyVote

      Pioneer Woman LIBELZ!!!! (I love her recipes)

      • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

        Eh I’ve seen her recipes, she cooks stuff like my grandmother, so I am not really impressed because that’s the same food we’ve been taught to cook for a very long time now.

        HOW LIBERAL ELITIST OF ME!!

        • TheDogAteMyVote

          HIPSTER! Be gone with thee!! ;-)

          • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

            I was making roux before it was cool!1!!

          • Courser

            Hell, I was making roux before I even knew what it was, lol!

        • Daisy

          It’s really pretty standard Southern fare. I don’tget why my mom’s so fascinated by her, since a lot of it, she grew up with.

          • IOnlyLikeCats

            I don’t even like her but it turns out we have the same taste in kitchenware. So do I buy the stuff because it is pretty or not buy it on principle?

          • Daisy

            You can buy it. I don’t know enough about her to say she’s horrible, I just don’t bother with her recipes.

        • Lesser Tiffany

          There were all these I Hate Pioneer Woman websites for a while that were hilarious.

      • NastySnarkOff

        I hope you are a woman, because it seems cooking is the only thing we are good for. (Also, cooking sucks.)

        • TheDogAteMyVote

          Oh yes. And you forgot laundry also, too. But mostly our job is to just look hot and f*ckable if we want keep our place in TrumpLand.

    • Mr. Blobfish

      How do you get stuck with 4-wheel drive?

      • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

        No idea. It looks like they might have been base model versions?

      • phoenix00

        People who don’t know how to drive them, obvs.

  • Lesser Tiffany

    I hope I’m not stereotyping TOO HARD here but I’ve found with some naturalized or 1st generation immigrants that ultimate loyalty to the motherland is a pretty strong philosophy. It doesn’t excuse it, I find it interesting. I remembered last night when I got into a facebook argument with a former coworker who is a Ukranian immigrant. He kept posting MAGA and going on about how the protesters need to be taught a lesson by the National Guard. I told him I wished him luck and he needs to be careful.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Ukrainians for Putin’s Pal still doesn’t seem like all that rational a position, honestly.

      • Bitter Scribe

        Unless he is a Ukrainian of Russian descent.

        • Latverian Diplomat

          Good point.

      • Lesser Tiffany

        He’s all about murka now. I’m not sure why his family came here but I’m guessing Russia is probably in there somewhere. But he has ultimate blind loyalty to our government and process that I didn’t expect.

    • georgiaburning

      Ukrainians are pretty divided themselves. West side shares much with Poland, east is more Russian. During WWII many joined with the Nazi’s because they hated Stalin. That’s often being brought up in pro-Putin propaganda

      • Lesser Tiffany

        Huh. I’d ask him more about it but I don’t think I’d get a cogent reply

      • Longstreet63

        Please stop foreshadowing.

        • Lesser Tiffany

          The pre November 8th me wants to be like Spoiler Alert! and try and make a funny but the post November 9th/death of Leonard Cohen me is a humorless shell.

        • georgiaburning

          I’ve been studying for the final. The outline is posted in the history section of the library

  • anwisok
    • Courser

      Thank you so very much for your hard work finding cute animal pics for us.

    • Mezzaluna

      Thank you for all the times you post these.
      Here’s one of my favorites in return. Also because I kind of feel like this bunny at the moment.
      http://favoritememes.com/_nw/6/01179564.jpg

  • TheDogAteMyVote

    Brazenly stolen from another poster somewhere:

    Remember those innocent times when we were worried that “one day” a “smarter Trump” would come along? Turns out his voters were perfectly happy with the stupid one.

    • Garbageman

      Yeah! As weird as it sounds, there may be a silver lining here. If nothing else, there will be no chance of the U.S. being hit by ‘stealth’ Trump in 2020 . . .

      • Courser

        I’m not that optimistic anymore. His followers aren’t going anywhere and they’re the ones that breed quickly

    • Mezzaluna

      That’s what they really meant when they said Trump is like us.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      His GOP enablers are certainly happy with dummy Trump. It’s why most of them eventually came around. Blow smoke up his ass, tell him how smart and strong he is, and he’ll sign anything you want.

      • TheDogAteMyVote

        Stupid, malleable and probably mentally ill. He’s Reagan on steroids and jet fuel.

      • georgiaburning

        That explains how his casinos went bankrupt

        • TheDogAteMyVote

          Too bad Fred’s not around to bail out the country when Trump tanks it.

    • Longstreet63

      The most contemptible mark of all is the one who sees through the con and still buys it, thinking he can cheat the grifter.

      • zerosumgame0005

        grifters count on that kind of dumbshittery, flim-flamers get wood when their mark thinks he can out-smart them

  • Mezzaluna

    After only a quick scan of this, it sounds like Nomani is also Spats McGee.
    http://wonkette.com/608472/be-right-back-have-to-murder-this-bernie-or-buster

  • Ali | A Grumpy Cat

    Fun story – my boss is an open Trump supporter (because jobs and Clinton = bad, not because of racism or anything, natch) and everyone knows it. My coworker was about to leave for lunch, realized that would leave me alone in the office with him, and he came into my office and asked if I felt safe or if I wanted him to stick around.

    • BadKitty904

      Your co-worker is smart. And a Good Egg.

      • Ali | A Grumpy Cat

        He is. He supported Bernie in the primary, switched over to Hillary without a second thought, and passionately fought for her right up to the end. Election night, he texted me and said, “On behalf of white straight men in this country, too many of us are fucking morons, and I’m sorry.”

        • aureolaborealis

          Apparently, too, white women.

        • BadKitty904

          Keep him close. He’s now an Enemy of the State, too.

    • TheDogAteMyVote

      My Trump-voting boss (2nd Amendment, Beyotches) and another manager were speaking in hushed, anxious tones the day after the election about how Trump would not be able to actually make laws and he would be constrained by the system of checks and balances.

      “Wrong!”

      https://picturesdotnews.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/lead_960.jpg?w=672&h=372&crop=1

      • Ali | A Grumpy Cat

        “Government, how does it work again?”

      • dshwa

        I had a Trump voter tell me that. I listed all the ways Trump wouldn’t be stopped, since all the checks and balances that could stop him are held in the hands of people who support him, or in the case of the Supreme Court will be shortly. (Kennedy is the swing vote once he replaces Scallia. Not reassuring.) She had no answers.

    • Rick Hill

      “..if I wanted him to stick around.”

      Oh! I think I can guess, if he left you there. Ms Ali, in the office with the tape dispenser! Amirite?

  • DoILookAmused2u ?

    I feel like we are stuck in a pattern of ever-decreasing intervals of Derp and non-Derp.

    Soon it will be 5 minutes of Derp followed by a light 5 minute discussion on the plasticity of the human brain , followed by more Derp for 5 minutes.

  • Rick Hill

    Hmmm. Would have been more effective if you included “…And the horse you rode in on!”

    Nah. That was perfect and you nailed it, Ms Robyn. It looks like all those old fights will have to be fought, once again but this time the system has high tech robodefenses

  • MizzMazz

    I’ve gone past numb and angry and now am just so sick to my stomach I didn’t know how to dress for work. I called in, and will no doubt be written up and punished, maybe fired, who knows. We all do cognitive dissonance to an extent, and mine broke making me pukey and unable to dress, put on lipstick and say, “It’s showtime!”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9By-b-lCWkw

    Then I read about the kids who have gone to school and faced with so much horror and bullshit, and random people getting harassed, because “Now it’s OK. Trump is President. We can do this now.”

    The fear has kicked in, and as I have said before, I am too old and tired to keep fighting for things I thought we already won, but dammit, I won’t give up. Can’t. There’s still enough anger inside that I won’t give up, but today? I had to. Might lose my job, and at this point, I really don’t care. You like having a demoralized population, Trump? Does it feel good to you? *spits*

    • Mezzaluna

      Hang in there. I almost did the same thing Wednesday morning. As it was I staggered around feeling nauseous and angry and sad and just hopeless. It got a little better as the day went on and I could almost think about focusing on my work by Thursday.

      • MizzMazz

        I was really going to go in, and even my Trump supporting SO said, no, call in sick You are unfit for duty. I think I will make it tomorrow. Thank goodness for the wonderful people here.

        • WomanInAMood

          How I made it into work at 6am Wednesday will forever be a mystery. I had to walk away several times because of crying. Hang in there.

      • Shan

        Same here. I’m just thankful my boss told the Office Redneck to lay off with the “hahahaha I’m celebrating!” email.

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          I know someone whose boss sent them a meme of Trump saying “you’re fired” in a text. Becuase he thought it was funny.

          • Shan

            Yes, that’s fucking hilarious.

            “OH BTW I GAVE YOUR WIFE HERPES HAHAHA!” would be tempting.

    • BadKitty904

      I’m getting past numb and sick-to-my-stomach to angry. This i MY country, too, dammit, and I’ll be damned if I’m giving it up without a fight, ESPECIALLY to the fucking Republican Party.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      Take care of yourself. It’s all I could do to show up today, with some clean clothes on. And now I’m just hanging out on Wonkette when I’m already struggling to get the hang of this job. You’re not alone. But we all believe in you. You can take one little step to do something normal today. Do it for yourself.

      • MizzMazz

        Thank you for all you do, and everyone else here. I’m a relative newcomer, but people have been great, and I learn a lot here. Something normal for me might be to make some bread. That is the most normal sane thing I can think of since I’m not farming or have my chickens anymore. A nice loaf of bread for all my fellow Wonketters.

        • WomanInAMood

          I would love some real bread. And I wish that I could bake. Instead, today I braise. And drink.

          • MizzMazz

            We need to hang out. I can bake and you can braise, and we could both drink, and listen to good music. Feeling better already :)

          • WomanInAMood

            Here is good music. And I am seriously doing my freak out today. Consider me your sister. Your sister who likes folk music.

            https://youtu.be/VwcKwGS7OSQ

          • MizzMazz

            Fantastic. It’s like you know me :D

          • WomanInAMood

            I think we all could use (((hugs)))

            Tomorrow, we start getting organized. Because we have to. Not just for ourselves, but for everybody. Including the dumbfucks who put us here. Because we go high.

          • MizzMazz

            Hey I like you better than my own sister Thanks for Woody, and I raise you some Silly Wizard:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=appBtXoxfb8

          • WomanInAMood

            This rocks! And I don’t often say this, but the accordion player is on fire!

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          That sounds like a wonderful thing to do. There’s nothing like the smell of fresh bread.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Rule number #1: Don’t do their work for them. Do not hurt yourself. That’s an order.

      The world needs you. Not them. We need you employed, healthy, and focused. Let’s make Trump a 1-term president, and let’s flip the Senate in 2018 and 2020. Those are achievable goals. We just might do it with your help.

      There is LOVE here, MizzMazz. Stay with us.

      • MizzMazz

        Wonkette and everyone here is the best. I am not going to self harm.

    • Sekhmet1

      I get it. I’m over the other side of the world and I felt the same – I did go to work on Thursday (my time) and kept crying at my desk, and feeling guilty for every time I’ve skipped a march because I just didn’t have the energy. Sometimes the emotional resources run dry and you need time for self-care. *hugs*

  • ThirdAmendmentMan

    “The checks and balances in America and our rich history of social justice and civil rights will never allow the fear-mongering…”

    Ummm…have you never read a fucking American history book?

    • dshwa

      Let’s ask a Native American about that…

      • ThirdAmendmentMan

        Or Japanese-Americans in WWII
        Or black people
        Or gays
        Or the Irish
        Or “Communists”
        Or Muslims
        Or [pretty much just fill in the blank]

  • aureolaborealis

    Also, if my FB feed is any evidence, these Trump supporters sure are butt-hurt in victory. Are they starting to realize what they signed up for?

    • Land Shark Hombre

      No sympathy. “There are NO do overs.”

    • Michael Smith

      They don’t know how to win. All they know is resentment and anger. They win the election and all they can do it complain about how liberals are unhappy. What miserable people. When Trump told them they were going to get sick of winning, I thought he was just being cute. Now I remember, he knows their miserable asses a lot better than I do.

    • YoNastyBunny

      I take they’re not flattered by all the “Congrats, ASSHOLES!!!!” They brought this ugly baby to term, and now they get to keep it. While I will be sorry about all the misfortune that this may cause us and the rest of the world, I will not regret their misfortunes.

      • Darkrose

        No late term abortion for you, motherfuckers! You have to raise this piece of shit!

    • Truthiness2U

      They’re probably too busy harassing minorities, or working on how they can get to the KKK parades celebrating DJT’s victory, to post.

      • aureolaborealis

        If only they were silent about it. No, it’s quite the opposite.
        “It’s disgusting that you think all Trump voters are racist!” This is invariably followed by rants about immigrants and real racists, The Blacks.

  • Land Shark Hombre
    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      The will of the fucking people was that Hillary Clinton should be president.

    • Ali | A Grumpy Cat

      YEAH! It’s not like the right to protest is in the Constitution or anything!

      • YoNastyBunny

        Yeah, Freedom of Speech doesn’t cover protesting.

        • IOnlyLikeCats

          Neither does the right to peaceful assembly I guess, according to this whackaloon.

          • Land Shark Hombre

            And that whole “right to seek redress” thing is just bullshit.

    • Mezzaluna

      Shit. Can you find anything else to kill my soul with right now?

      • Land Shark Hombre

        I’m sorry, I do not mean to hurt anyone’s soul. I’m still really angry, and I’m trying to make sure no one thinks, “let’s see what happens” is an acceptable answer.

        • Mezzaluna

          You hit that one right on the head with one of them there really big hammers. Shit fuck god damn mother fucking dick bags full of pus. Nope. Still feel dead inside.

          • Land Shark Hombre

            The pain is very close to surface for me, as the ACA is currently protecting my autistic son (over 18) from losing any health insurance he might be able to get.

      • Newt wants to go back to the grand days of McCarthyism and restart HUAC.

        • IOnlyLikeCats

          I have made pro-socialism pro-communists posts. I regret not covering my tracks online like Future Mr. Cats told me to. God I really hope I get that visa now.

        • Grendel

          It’s funny because Newt likes to think he’s a historian

    • Mezzaluna

      No assembly, however peaceful, will be tolerated unless it is for the good of Trump’s (I really don’t want to call him President) ego.

    • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

      Lol yup that is going to work.

      • Land Shark Hombre

        Yeah, my response is, “Go with that.” And then I remember REAL history. Try that spouting that shit to Congressman John Lewis …. to his face.

        • No, see the Berners have decided John Lewis is a race traitor.

          https://twitter.com/jvgraz/status/796775504422440960

          • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

            Only in his stupid mind. Weird how that is the only place impossible shit like marching with Trump would ever happen. But hey Mister Graziano. I am sure your twitter revolution and protest voting will totally save you.

          • Land Shark Hombre

            Who is this bag of salted rat dicks? Am I supposed to have some respect for what he says?

          • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

            Nah just another self important douche bag blaming problems he helped create on everyone but himself.

          • rip america

            Bernie supported Hillary. Guess he’s marching with Trump, too.

    • YoNastyBunny

      Fuck that guy.

    • Nasty Candy Apple

      Quell this, motherfucker.

    • Longstreet63

      Sure, buddy. Maybe you could all get together one night and break the windows of their businesses?
      Don’t worry, your friends will never turn on you. You helped them, right?

    • rip america

      But the first amendment guarantees the right to protest, and the courts would never allow . . . never mind.

    • MynameisBlarney

      He’s not in office yet, so that douchecannon has zero fucking authority.
      Also, he can suck my bawlz!

    • Spurning Beer

      The Sheriff is holding a copy of the Constitution in that photo. WTF??!??!

      “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

  • They honestly believe it’ll be “the other guy” who gets it in the neck. It won’t be them, because they did “the right thing” and besides – there are “bad people” out there and the government will be too focused on them anyway.
    I swear it feels like the same mentality a turkey must have right before the farmer walks up with the ax.

    • Land Shark Hombre
      • Grendel

        Our future Secretary of the Interior, ladies and gentlemen

        • wide_stance_hubby

          Until she quits.

  • NastySnarkOff

    It’s worth pointing out that Asra Nomani’s husband, Wall Street Journal reporter Danny Pearl, was decapitated on camera by Al Qaeda, just another reactionary extremist hate group, kind of like the one she has helped usher into office. Thanks, Asra.

    • Land Shark Hombre

      I did not know that. That makes her statements even MORE myopic.

      • NastySnarkOff

        Dammit. I am wrong. Marianne Pearl was married to Danny. Asra was or is a dear friend if the Pearls. I will correct my original post.

        • Land Shark Hombre

          Doesn’t change my comment one iota.

    • The Devastated Ms. MLG

      This would have shocked me before Tuesday. I would have been surprised she bought into defeating terrorism through semantics. Nothing shocks me now.

    • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

      I don’t know her husband or her, but holy shit would he have been ok with Trump?

      • NastySnarkOff

        I didn’t know Danny but I don’t think so. For starters, Jewish.

  • Lesser Tiffany

    I’m so disappointed at nearly everyone I know today. Not just at the idiots that voted in our idiot president. We had riots last night and some kids spray painted shit and broke some fucking windows but they’re angry, scared and hurt.It’s literally like everyone I know just forgot what a riot or a protest is. They started trying to get high and mighty about how these kids were just hurting their cause and this just isn’t going to solve anything and they should just suck it up because democracy.

    Oh and bring in the National Guard when in reality the PPB have done a much better job handling this than they have in the past (May Day riots *cough*) And ohhhh the butthurt about how the cops didn’t start a riot on Wednesday night when 2,000 people blocked I-5. Like, why can’t people understand their anger? We’re all getting fucked and Portland’s been getting fuuuuucked for a while. Stagnant wages, expensive housing and all that hippie bullshit we’ve been fed has been gutted. There’s lot to be angry about right now.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      Ugh. Sitting around wringing our hands about how to be nice enough that they won’t hurt us sure isn’t going to get anything done.

      • Lesser Tiffany

        Exactly. There’s a perception of the “liberal elite” that we’re a bunch of woolly tree-huggers. I might like wool and I might like trees but I think it’s time to kick some ass, possibly literally if a person near me is being threatened.

        • janecita

          I’m ready to cut off the fucking tree and make a big ass baton out of it.

  • rip america

    If people can’t be bothered to protect their own interests, they can damn well deal with the consequences of TrumpAmerica by themselves. And everyone who voted for Trump, and everyone who did nothing to keep him from getting elected can stay the fuck out of California.

    • Truthiness2U

      And Washington.

      • Darkrose

        Left coast really does = best coast right now.

  • Resistinceisnotfutile

    I’m working on jury instructions right now and they’re all about our solemn duty and being honest and truthful and I feel like just putting in there “If you want to fuck somebody over just because you don’t like them for whatever reason, go ahead. Who gives a shit?”

    • Michael Smith

      Speaking of juries, 12 Angry Men sounds like a nice description of whatever Trump’s inner circle will end up looking like. However, the message in that one about one person standing up for what is right and convincing the other people to set aside their prejudices… HA

  • YoNastyBunny

    Damn, Robyn! You setting fire to all of the barns! PREACH!!!

  • Michael Smith

    “It’s UNFAIR for liberals to think we are all racists! How is that fair? I don’t understand!”

    Oh you don’t like stereotypes?

    • MynameisBlarney

      “We only voted for the bigot! That doesn’t mean we’re bigots, you filthy fuckin hippies! You’re the bigots!”

      • Longstreet63

        My Mom says that since she’s in Illinois, her Trump vote didn’t count and I shouldn’t hold it against her.
        I say she picked her side and now she owns it.

    • The Devastated Ms. MLG

      How dare those Liberal Elites stereotype us or spell stereotype correctly!

      • Lance Thrustwell

        I never staireeyotype nobody. Not even North Carolina feminists.

    • aureolaborealis

      My favorite is when it then immediately segues into a rant about immigrants and how blacks are the real racists. Source: My family.

      • Michael Smith

        Right. They are apparently under the impression that one can only be a racist if one self-identifies as one.

        • aureolaborealis

          ‘ It only counts if I say the words, “I. DECLARE. RACISM!” ‘

          • Darkrose

            “I CHOOSE YOU, RACISM!”

  • dslindc

    Very well said, Robyn!

    I keep seeing the, “Trump supporters aren’t racist, homophobic, etc., they just wanted to change the establishment” argument. I call major bullshit because over 90% of the congresscritters who were up for reelection won their races. Nothing like saying you want change and sending that establishment right back! At least be honest and say you hate Obama and Hillary and don’t really care about anything else.

    • Smoke’EmIfYouGot’EmO’hontas

      They chanted “Drain the swamp!” while reelecting incumbents, and guess whose cabinet will be made of Washington insiders?

      I can not find any sympathy in my heart for anyone who voted for ferret top. They can wallow in their foolishness.

    • Longstreet63

      It just means they still don’t feel comfortable admitting racism yet. That’s OUR word, and it stings them still. But make NO mistake. The motivating factor was racism and spite. When you dig down, you will find a rich vein of “Those People” down under the rationalizations of the bulk of his voters.
      Let’s face it, it’s down there under most people and bringing up the ore fills many people with a delightful, freeing rage.

    • Truthiness2U

      As has been said, it’s not that someone is personally racist, it’s that they didn’t care about that when voting for the guy.

  • Nasty Candy Apple

    No, I don’t think we should help them. They shat their bed, they can lie in it.

    • Mezzaluna

      We are all glued together by proximity if nothing else, so we are kind of stuck with the consequences of their actions. If it makes us feel better, we can say we are working for solutions for our selves, not them,I guess.

    • janecita

      I agree, they can stay the fuck away from my blue state.

      • Longstreet63

        Build a Wall? Can we make Trump pay for it?

        • aureolaborealis

          Apparently, today, we are all Mexicans, because the Congressional Republicans are saying they will allocate money for the wall.

          • Longstreet63

            Well, that’s a good way to write more cost-plus contracts to Haliburton, so, of course they are.
            After all, deficits suddenly don’t matter.

          • Rachel Book Harlot

            It’s funny how they can never find money for social programs, but can now somehow find money for that.

          • Darkrose

            That’s going to be hilarious (in the laugh to keep from screaming) way, given that the fence that’s there right now is in shambles, in part because you literally cannot build on much of that land.

            Though it will be geniunely funny when the government invokes eminent domain on the land of the white folks in order to build said wall. Oops!

      • SeriousSummer

        How about us Hillary voters, Hillary delegates to the State convention, Hillary contributors who happen to have the great misfortune of living in a RED STATE? Can we come visit your BLUE STATE?

        • janecita

          Yup, the rule only applies to Trump voters.

          • Truthiness2U

            I’d apply it to non-voters as well, because fuck them. They can wallow in their laziness and/or so-called moral superiority that couldn’t vote against Trump by voting for Hillary.

            Same goes for Stein/Johnson voters, of course.

          • janecita

            I agree, to me all of those people are as bad, or worst, than Trump voters.

        • WomanInAMood

          If you wear your buttons, you will be welcomed with open arms.

        • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

          You can cross the border if your car has a “Nasty Woman” bumber sticker.

  • Mezzaluna

    Excellent and on point as always , Robyn. Is this an appropriate place to use the phrase “on fleek” like a youngz, or does that only apply to eyebrows?

    • IOnlyLikeCats

      No one says “on fleek” anymore, it is just “on point” by itself. It’s weird and confusing and that’s why I stick to Oxford English (like an old). Well, unless I’m really angry.

      • Mezzaluna

        Thank you. This is good to know since everything I know about youth and popular culture is from watching @Midnight and The Soup when it was on.

      • MynameisBlarney

        Wow…so some lingo went in and out of fashion before I even knew about it.

        Not sure if I should be proud or ashamed.

  • Longstreet63

    I suppose the next step is to dress the part.
    Phyrgian caps and sans culottes for everyone.

    They have them on Etsy, of course.

  • dslindc

    I also came across some of my fellow gays taking comfort in posting an article written by a gay conservative who thinks Milo’s ideas are great and doesn’t believe marriage equality should be a thing nationwide. FFS!

    I’m starting to feel like I need a hazmat suit to wade through all the bullshit.

    • MynameisBlarney

      Hip waders just don’t cut it anymore.

      • starkitty

        I’m going full EVA. Taking no chances.

        • MynameisBlarney
          • starkitty

            But mine can be used to space walk. This might be a desirable option soon….

          • MynameisBlarney

            So can that one! I think….it’s been ages since I played that game.

          • starkitty

            It looks like it, but I didn’t see anything specific. Well, it’s better than nothing!

          • MynameisBlarney

            Ayup!
            Only one way to find out!

            BRB

    • Mezzaluna

      I just don’t get this. I’m a cishet perimenopausal depressive loon but why would anyone interfere with someone’s right to spend their life with someone they love with all of the legal and social benefits of that commitment? Is it because they don’t want to commit to one person themselves or are they just contrarian to be cool and different?

      • Jennifer R

        Because if you can’t be happy no one can. Alternatively because it pays well.

        • Mezzaluna

          I guess trick to successful punditry is saying stupid shit that gets under people’s skin and causes it to blister and peel. Or, alternately, say stupid shot that makes people feel good or bad about themselves based on what stuff they own or how they look and whether or not they eat wheat products.

          • Jennifer R

            Grayden Carter will be deadbeat donnie’s political prisoner.

          • Mezzaluna

            I do expect to see a lot of critical musical, film, art and writing coming out soon. I hope it blows the little orange fungus’ mind and he embarrasses himself even more. I can’t wait until he pisses of the army of Beyoncés.

      • YoNastyBunny

        I think some if this may be coming from a general perspective of younger generations that don’t believe the institution of marriage is the bees knees, and civil arrangements/unions are perfectly fine substitutes. The only problem is they’re basically saying “I don’t think marriage is important, and neither should YOU”. And that’s a bunch of BS because what’s good enough for them shouldn’t really dictate what’s good enough for other people.

        • Mezzaluna

          I don’t really get that either. Call it whatever you want. It’s a binding social contract, whether civil or religious between two people that demonstrates their commitment to one another and offers them certain legal benefits. I guess it’s like renting vs buying maybe? Or they don’t know people who have had a successful long term relationship? Fucked if I know, but you are completely correct that just because they don’t want it (now) they don’t get to screw it’s up for other people who do want it. Same with family planning and sexuality in general.

    • Jennifer R

      Don’t forget Milo is also super transphobic.

  • janecita

    I’m sorry, but if this woman voted for Trump therefore she is a racist,sexist,homophobic idiot. I’m not giving his voters any concessions, as far as I know, they are all a whole bunch of assholes.

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      Exactly. Saying you’re not racist and just voted for Trump because of other policies is like saying you buy Playboy for the articles.

  • Resistance Fighter MausFeet

    Robyn, thank you. I keep commenting with thanks, but I truly mean it. When my own brain is tangle of yelling and crying and anger, it is helpful to have those still capable of thinking, and writing good things, doing so. Well said. Grrr, argh, and thanks.

  • AnOuthouse

    I don’t think you appreciate the level of severity that the use of email rates. No matter what a disgusting boor Trump is, at least he doesn’t use email.

    • NastySnarkOff

      It’s only a crime if you use a private server.

      • Nasty Candy Apple

        Waiting for the big reveal in eight years that Crotch Grabber used a private server while president.

        • spends2much

          Four years. For the love of God, four years…

    • nastymagyar

      Too nuanced for him. If you can’t say it in 140 characters, you don’t need to say it.

      • NastySnarkOff

        SAD.

    • MynameisBlarney

      It’s going to be funny when he’s forced to use email because of his new presidentin’ gig, and he fucks it up royally.

      • starkitty

        “Hey, Putin, I’m throwing a private pussy grabbing party. Can you come?

        Your bud, T

        Ps: Check it! I’m using emailz like the liberulz do!”

        *accidentally sends to entire white house staff, dod, nsa, and cia*

      • BigRedDog

        Plus the keyboard is super hard to use with just thumbs.

        • Nasty Granny

          He’ll spend the first couple years looking for the any key.

          • starkitty

            We can help by showing him how to use the “del” for ‘deliver’ key…to send really important communications.

            (Alas this prank only works on TV)

        • Grendel

          and tiny hands

    • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

      Because he can barely read…

    • BadKitty904

      The key word here is “recall”. Like “inpeach”. These asshats don’t rule by divine right – voters put them in office and voters can take them back out of office.

      • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

        Not with gerrymandering and voter suppression.

        • BadKitty904

          The GOP hasn’t perfected that treachery yet, so the sooner we start, the better.

  • Scrofula

    A while back California recalled a governor (because Enron was fucking us) and elected a man whose major skill is picking up heavy things. No one gave a shit what his ideology might be, he had a catchphrase from a movie!

    Then the people of the US elected a guy who had a catchphrase from TV! And those libtards in cities HATE him! Who gives a fuck what his ideology might be, it’s funny!

    • Carpe Vagenda

      But really, it all started when we elected a guy who was famous for being less intelligent than his chimp co-star before he was afflicted with senile dementia. So. And?

      • spends2much

        Hey, those “trickle down” economic policies of Saint Ronnie’s are gonna pay off any minute now…

        • IOnlyLikeCats

          Pffft, Reagan was just a slicker conman. He knew it’d never work. It was a feature, not a bug. Also, can we bring #trumpeduptrickledown back? I actually quite enjoyed that, despite Hillary not having a professional comedian’s sense of comedic timing.

      • Scrofula

        True, but he was surrounded by Bush Sr., Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc., who, evil as they may be, were at least competently evil (OK, maybe not Rummie), not his semi-literate children..

        • Carpe Vagenda

          Cheney and Rumsfeld were Team B, but he did have Schultz and Sununu, who were evil but good at their jobs.

        • Serai 1

          Whoa, we’re gonna “but at least” CHENEY? The devil incarnate? Really?

    • zerosumgame0005

      fucking in the ass by Enron, all set-up (including the increased DMV fees) by Pete fucking Wilson (R-asshole)

    • Michael Smith

      I saw a thing on Facebook where The Rock said he might run someday. I’d take him over Trump. At least The Rock is more concise in his manner of speaking.

      • MynameisBlarney

        And he’s not a lifelong douchebag either.

      • Lance Thrustwell

        I would take Dwayne Johnson over Trump – Right. Fucking. Now. Wouldn’t even look at his platform.

      • IOnlyLikeCats

        So generally I prefer people with experience in the branches of government for president. But, in this case I will make an exception because Dwayne Johnson will do everything he can for minorities and after a Trump presidency, we’ll need that.

    • Jennifer R

      If deadbeat donnie was anywhere near as good at governance as Arnold was it would be a miracle.

      • Longstreet63

        Truth, but the funny thing is, he actually did have an electoral record. so Trump’s arguably worse than that. And Reagan could act, more or less, so he could make his nonsense sound halfway sane.

        • Resistinceisnotfutile

          And he was a Democrat when he was the president of SAG. Check out Donnie’s potential cabinet if you want your blood to run cold. We have to do something about the Electoral College vote.

          • LinGin

            He was also an informer for the FBI. Ratted out communists and leftists.

      • YoNastyBunny

        Miracle, indeed. I can’t trust competence of anybody who has bankrupted a casino. FFS, the house ALWAYS wins!!! How can anybody eff up that business model?

        • Jennifer R

          He lost money selling VODKA. The cheapest of booze. And he lost money with it. Drugs sell themselves and HE STILL FUCKED IT UP.

      • Paganish

        At least Mr. Schwartzenegger HAS EXPERIENCE in governance. Hell, given the choice, I’d vote for Arnold, and I KNOW FOR A FACT HE WASN’T BORN IN THE US!!

        • Serai 1

          He’s also heavily liberal on social issues. If we’re going to be fucked by a GOP Congress, I’d much rather have a GOP president who won’t persecute or jail people for just being who they are. (And who likes weed, of course.)

  • dshwa

    This was a great rant. I’m still in the “You claim you’re not a racist/misogynist/bigot? Prove it by demanding the parts of his agenda that are get blocked” camp, but I’m more than OK with leading that conversation by pointing out they supported the racist/misogynist/bigot and own it if his agenda gets through.

  • Blacktop Cadence

    Just want to thank all the Trump voters for the fact that transwomen will keep seeing this with the ACA going buy-bye.

    (Yes, I’m about to call my insurance company FOR THE THIRD FUCKING TIME IN A WEEK!)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/facf7024bbb373ea51fb8b0228278a153c9719afa9a780e3b7f989ea2072f7bd.png

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Those fucking idiots. Trans people are special, interesting jewels among us. They’re never going to be common – it’s not a “growing trend” – the only thing that might make it seem like it’s a “growing” phenomenon is that they were finally, finally beginning to feel like they could come out of the shadows and declare who they are without fear.

      No aspect of any conceivable healthcare system is ever going to go broke providing the necessary meds to Trans folks. That’s just a simple fact. But they’ll lie about it all day long. Best of luck, Cadence!

  • Jgb979

    “The checks and balances in America and our rich history of social justice and civil rights will never allow the fear-mongering that has been attached to candidate Trump’s rhetoric to come to fruition.”

    I finally understand how he got the vote of a SINGLE college educated person. Sometimes a larger intelligence and a higher degree only gives one more interesting and complicated ways to be a dumbass.

    “I believe Donald won’t do all of the horrible shit he says he would because I believe in the institutions I just voted to destroy”. “I base this on absolutely nothing”

    Fuck You

    This is you
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1AeaUfWCm1U/Ss14LdHl2KI/AAAAAAAAADA/RIGDhJug7Ew/s320/vlcsnap-410621.png

  • MynameisBlarney

    Well, trump may have gotten one thing right…

    He did make this election look like Brexit +++.

    A bunch of morons not knowing exactly just what in the actual fuck they were voting for, then regretting it once the got what they fucking voted for.

    Idiots. The whole fuckin’ lot of ’em!

    • starkitty

      I’m actually for getting them to help out with any petition to the electoral college or recall attempt. Give em a chance to prove they’re sorry.

      • MynameisBlarney

        IF they do, then maybe….JUUUUUUST maybe I’ll forgive them.

        No guarantess though.

      • WomanInAMood

        They’ve already proved they’re sorry. Sorry excuses of human beings, that is.

      • Grendel

        They won’t be sorry until it’s too late

        • starkitty

          I fear that too.

  • TX Taco Truck Brigade

    “I’m a Muslim, a woman and an immigrant. I voted for Trump.”

    Both the Americans and the USSR famously sought out the first astronauts and cosmonauts from hundreds, maybe thousands of their best pilots. The people had to be a certain height, weight, physical fitness, health, temperament, and have the right academic background and experience.

    I can’t imagine how long it took the NY Times to find the writer of this opinion piece.

    • Mezzaluna

      Someone way down thread mentioned she is Daniel Pearl’s widow.

      • Serai 1

        Jesus fuck, HER??? What the FUCK is she thinking???

        And I’m wondering what Angelina Jolie thinks of her now.

        • Mezzaluna

          Sorry I must have read that wrong. Unless she changed her name, it’s not the same woman.

          • Serai 1

            Daniel Pearl had more than one widow?

  • Spurning Beer

    According to the landmark SCOTUS ruling in Smelt It v. Dealt It, Trump voters will not be accorded access to abortion, protection from discrimination, or the right to free speech without fear of bullying lawsuits or warrantless surveillance. The ruling is also known by its popular name, “Abortions for some, tiny American flags for others.”

    No? I must have dreamt it, then. Bummer.

  • Randy Riddle

    Sigh. Reminds me of gays that used to vote for Jesse Helms and deserved to be bitch-slapped into three weeks past yesterday.

  • Apple Scruff

    Is it bad that I want her to be the first one kicked out of the country?

    • rip america

      Right after Donald grabs her pussy.

      • Shan

        No, man. Don’t wish that on anybody for any reason.

      • Serai 1

        Yeah, no. No, no, and no.

  • Squirrel_Time

    Seems Trump ain’t the only date rapist out there.

  • Grendel

    Who was saying Trump isn’t vindictive and will forget all of the transgressions against him? Yeah, not so much:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/trump-teams-revenge-231222

    • Apple Scruff

      GOOD. Let the Republican party have their civil war. Maybe if enough of them are rejected by Trump, they’ll cross the aisle and actually block some of the shit he wants.

      I can only laugh at the part about Breitbart and Paul Ryan. That spineless weasel deserves everything that is coming to him.

      • Grendel

        The problem with that, of course, is that the ones who criticized Trump are the ones who are somewhat sane. Those are the ones being boxed out of the seats of power.

        • SuspectedDemocrat

          And the ones who supported Trump because they don’t know any better? They’ll be rewarded with positions of power. It’ll be like when a small army of Heritage Foundation interns found themselves running Iraq.

      • Pisto75666

        The clips I’ve seen lately of Trump speaking & Paul Ryan gazing at him adoringly. LOL

    • rip america

      FFS, he ran for president to get even with Obama. But yeah, he’ll totally stop being a sociopath now that he holds the power of the presidency and has no one to stop him from doing what ever he wants.

  • Marceline

    So I saw this comment on a friends page and I’m dropping it here because my friend doesn’t allow profanity and this fuckery calls for it.

    “People on both sides of the aisle wanted change, and the Democratic party didn’t listen to the people it purports to represent. I’m sorry that you feel disappointed, but as a progressive who voted for Trump, you may rest assured that I (and many others like me) would defend to the death the rights of women, minorities, and disenfranchised people.”

    • WomanInAMood

      There are no words. Except what an asshole.

      • Serai 1

        Oh, there’s a word: traitor.

    • Shan

      …a progressive who voted for Trump.

      What the actual fuck?

      • Marceline

        She was pissed that we didn’t run Bernie so of course out of her love for him she voted for the anti-Semite. Makes sense right?

        • MynameisBlarney

          “Excuse me while I shove this red-hot poker up my ass.”

          • Serai 1

            Hey, I know how he feels. They offered me Coke instead of Pepsi at my favorite restaurant, so I set my head on fire.

          • Sekhmet1

            A meme doing the rounds before the 2010 and 2013 federal elections in Australia (when Julia Gillard was Prime Minister) put it thus: “Voting for [Tony] Abbott because you hate Gillard is like eating shit because you hate spinach.” Except many of the ideological purists and “I’m progressive but ew Hillary” fuckweasels won’t have to eat the shit, or at least not as much of it, because they’re all right, Jack, really. Much of the awfulness that transpires will remain theoretical to them. They’re just happy to help contribute to force feeding other people shit because heaven forfend we compromise a bit.

          • Tania

            We were lucky as we have preferential voting and an array of parties..2013 was a crazy vote in the senate- if you need cheering up do a bit of googling. I dont know if you can get kitchen cabinet with Annabelle Crabbe in USA from ABC Australia but if you avoid Corey Bernadi enjoy

          • Sekhmet1

            Agreed (if this was a reply to me and not the OP, just to clarify I’m Australian as well (afraid I can’t stand Kitchen Cabinet though)). Not for the first time, I can heartily recommend to the US of A:

            1) Preferential voting;
            2) Weekend elections;
            3) An independent, properly funded federal Electoral Commission and state equivalents thereof, so the ruling party in individual states can’t manipulate things with gerrymandering.

            Not that any of that saved us from the Mad Monk, Mr Agile Innovative and Useless, and the resurrection of the One Nation Zombies, so it’s not a completely flawless prescription.

          • Serai 1

            Yep. During the whole campaign, I never once met or even saw a Bernie Brat who wasn’t lily white. They think their college money and their rights are secure because they’re white, so they can just be asshats BECUZ STATEMENT. Well, they’re going to find out now. But they’ll never admit they had anything to do with it.

        • Serai 1

          It makes perfect sense. If your guy loses, you vote for the guy who’s morally opposed to everything your guy stands for. Because OMG BITCH.

    • MynameisBlarney

      Oh for fucks sake!
      A progressive that voted for trump?

      That’s like “Bombing for Peace and Fucking for Virginity”!

      GAAAAAAAAH!!!!

      https://media.giphy.com/media/MDfMWxmG28mNG/giphy.gif

      • SuspectedDemocrat

        Tell me more about this fucking for virginity, that sounds like something I’d like to try.

    • Grendel

      Would defend to the death… but not by voting for

      • YoNastyBunny

        She’s real cute, isn’t she?

      • Mezzaluna

        Or denouncing the hatefilled fellow travelers.

    • Mezzaluna

      Ugh another person who doesn’t know what words mean. If you voted for Trump it means you are about as progressive as a washboard and tub.

    • SullivanSt

      “My way or the highway to hell”

    • Spurning Beer

      “I am a progressive who voted for Chancellor Hitler, but you may rest assured that I (and many others like me) would defend to the death the rights of Jews, homosexuals, and Gypsies.”

      • Grendel

        …as long as it doesn’t cost me anything

        • Serai 1

          She might chip a nail, you know.

      • Foreign Agitator Ron

        <shrugs> ‘As you wish, Fräulein. Hans, toss her into the boxcar with the Jews, homosexuals, and Gypsies.’

      • LinGin

        All jokes aside, I’ve been saying that while Hitler lost the war, Goebbels has had a posthumous victory and is laughing his ass off in whatever dank corner of hell he resides (I am hoping that all these holier-than-thou progressives [cough, Susan Sarandon] will eventually join him.

    • rip america

      Of course, such defense wouldn’t be necessary if you and your ilk hadn’t made Donald president. And just exactly what form is your defense unto death going to take? Fucking idiot asshole.

    • Lefty Frizzell

      “Come back and say that when you’ve done some defending” might be an appropriate non-profane response. Otherwise fuck fuck fuck fuck what a fucking fuck.

    • The Devastated Ms. MLG

      I, for one, am shocked, SHOCKED that anyone would use their vote for spite, then demand everyone be grateful for it and try to force others to accept responsibility for what they did!

      *bitter, scary laughter*

      Disappointed? Try again, you spoiled turd. Progressive? Not just a word. It’s a label requiring matching action. If voting Trump is how you “fight for” me, just go ahead and throw me directly under the bus next time. It’s quicker, and less painful than listening to your hateful, ignorant fucking mouth.

      • Marceline

        She now telling us all how she didn’t put Trump in power. It’s OUR fault. These fucksticks want to celebrate the power of their vote but not the responsibility.

        • The Devastated Ms. MLG

          What does she think her vote does? Determine the next limited time holiday latte flavor at Starbucks?

        • Rick Hill

          I blame Obama. If he had delivered on cleaning up the republicans mess, fought all the terrists and given out those free ponies then I would have voted for Hillary, too.

        • AntiDerpomeme

          Oh for fuck’s sake. No way she doesn’t get to own what she’s done. Infuriating, your friend is.

          • Marceline

            I should clarify. Her statement was made in response to a friend of mine grieving about the election. There’s no way this idiot would be on my friends list.

      • MamaBrown

        thank you. you speak for me. I cannot believe this

    • NastySnarkOff

      Unfriend.

      • Foreign Agitator Ron

        With extreme prejudice.

    • Robyn Pennacchia

      Oh wow. FUCK HIM.

      Please tell him — we don’t need his ass to defend us to the death. We need him to stop making more work for us. IE: THE STORY OF WOMEN

      • Serai 1

        Help like that we don’t need, thank you.

    • Land Shark Hombre
    • Bear OmNomNom

      “To the death”, just not “to the point of voting for the candidate who actually cares about women, minorities, and disenfranchised people.”

    • He does realize that he would have to fight a lot LESS without Trump, right?

    • Michael Smith

      “I’m sorry that you feel disappionted” reveals a shocking lack of perceptive abilities.

    • Serai 1

      JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

    • Foreign Agitator Ron

      Now there’s someone who has their head firmly implanted in their lower colon.,

    • Darkrose

      I would link her to @ShaunKing on Twitter. He’s compiling stories of the many, many hate crimes that have happened since Tuesday. Ask her in what concrete ways she’s pushing back against such actions. Ask her if she’s emailed her candidate to demand that he denounce what’s happening in his name. Ask her if she’s donating to Planned Parenthood to protect women’s bodily autonomy, or to the Trevor Project to help protect queer kids who are committing suicide, or to the Natural Resources Defense Fund to try, somehow, to hold back the tide on climate change.

      And if she can’t answer any of these questions? Tell her to go fuck herself.

  • srf_in_va

    *APPLAUSE*

  • Grendel

    Also, too, on this:

    “As a special note to “pro-choice” Trump supporters: No, you’re not. You voted for someone who wants to take that right away from others, who wants to defund Planned Parenthood, who wants to put people on the Supreme Court who will overturn it. And it’s likely he’ll have a chance to. So no, you are anti-choice. As much as existence precedes essence and what you do is more important than what you say? You are anti-choice.”

    Those who say you’re not racist, you just voted for everything else? You’re officially racist now. You elected a racist into the Oval Office, so you own that.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    I guess it’s refreshing to know the true nature of the US Americans. All this time I assumed we were a sensible, hopeful people.

    • Mezzaluna

      Half of us anyway.

      • Bear OmNomNom

        Possibly better than half of us, with the turnout as low as it was. Though in and of itself, the failure to get out and vote imposes at least a discount on one’s existing sensibility and hopefulness.

        • Shan

          To be “better” means you have to DO something, though.

    • Grendel

      That’s what hurt so much about this outcome. I thought America was better than this.

    • Darkrose

      I’m mad at myself. I should have known better. Thanks, Obama.

  • Charles Wolf

    There is no such thing as “Pro-Choice, Pro-Same Sex Marriage, Non-Racist Trump Supporters”

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      Racist is as racist votes, like my Momma always said.

      • Mezzaluna

        If you get into bed with racists, you get up wearing the pillowcase with eyeholes cut out?

        • Paganish

          Indubitably

          • Rick Hill

            You gotta say #no bigot, though/

        • The Devastated Ms. MLG

          Hahaha!

    • Rick Hill

      Idk. I am completely perplexed at the makeup of the gop. I know for a fact that the most bigoted ones used to wish they’d just go ahead and give abortions to all black women for free, it would save money in giving them welfare.

      • Serai 1

        Most of them are fine with abortions when THEY need them. THEIR reasons are completely noble. It’s everyone else who shouldn’t have them – unless, as you say, they’re “undesirables”.

  • Rick Hill
    • rip america

      If looks could kill, America would be dead. Deservedly.

      • Rick Hill

        I’d have to say “You want those voters…over there.”

    • JustDon’tSayDittos

      That hand can’t be washed enough. *shudder*

    • Grendel

      “Sometimes I fucking hate this job. Fuck you America, I’m out.”

      • Rick Hill

        America, you had one job….

  • Land Shark Hombre

    He’s an entertainer and an attention whore, not a public servant. He wants to be on TV and in front of crowds, not actually working a difficult, grueling, stressful job he can’t opt out of. He’s going to have to sit through SO many meetings, be forced to read SO many briefings, get shoehorned into serious business all day every day, without crowds to perform for, and he’s going to hate Every. Single. Minute.

    http://livebloggingmydescentintomadness.tumblr.com/post/152983646355/i-do-take-some-small-cold-bitter-satisfaction-in

    • Mezzaluna

      And I hope it fucking breaks him. He is in no way up to the task.

      • rip america

        I envision him face down in a bucket of KFC. . . .

      • Land Shark Hombre

        That photo of him with President Obama says it all.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Yup. Unfortunately, when the work gets hard, and the glamour and novelty wear off, we’re gonna have Grumpy Trump. And that is going to suh-UCK.

      Only possible silver lining – Grumpy Trump might actually tell GOP House and Senate members, and his cabinet, to fuck off once in a while. Thin lining, but something.

      • Mezzaluna

        He’ll just spend his time insulting them on Twitter.

      • Spurning Beer

        I pray you’re right. The “‘Freedom’ Caucus” has very set ideas of what policies are acceptable. They will insult or at least frustrate Trump, and chaos will ensue. I hope.

      • Serai 1

        I’m kind of expecting that. I just don’t see this guy adhering to the GOP rulebook if it doesn’t suit him. The first time someone he likes tells him such-and-such a policy is really fucking awful, he’ll change his mind. And if they don’t catch him fast enough, he’ll blab that change to the whole world.

      • Darkrose

        The novelty has already worn off. Look at his face as he realizes that he’s going to be expected to do shit. He’s trying to figure out a way to not live in the White House full time.

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      He’ll glance at the reports, point to a dot on a map, and say “Bomb the shit out of them.”

      Then he’ll go home to bed with his twitter account and brag about the great job he’s doing.

      • therblig

        maybe we should start crowdfunding now for legal fees and family support for the secret service agent or military officer who prevents trump from launching a nuclear first strike after he gets his feelings hurt.

        • Serai 1

          But there’s a law that protects military officers if they refuse to follow illegal orders, isn’t there?

      • LinGin

        Stephen King and David Cronenberg prophesied this scenario in THE DEAD ZONE. “The missiles are flying. Hallelujah! {ironic given recent news). The missiles are flying.”

    • JustDon’tSayDittos

      Huh. I think you just described Gavin Newsome.

      • JustDon’tSayDittos

        I know, he’s a Dem, so we should like him, but he has done Jack Squat as Lt. Gov. I’m ready to look at the rest of the Dem catalog for the next Gov.

        • kbbaldwin2

          I’m with you on Gavin. I think he is mostly a really nice suit.

        • Darkrose

          To be fair, Lt. Gov is an even more pointless job than VP. You’re literally doing nothing but waiting for the Governor to quit or die.

    • mailman27

      Worked for second term Reagan.

  • andyshelt

    Two open letters to Trump Voters……..

    F U

  • JHan

    And he’s not anti establishment. He’s already surrounded himself with DC Lobbyists and Insiders. To all those who thought he would shake things up – LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

    -_-

    • MynameisBlarney

      Oh he’s damn sure gonna shake shit up.
      Only in ways that benefit him.

      • JHan

        I’m glad Hillary is away from all this BS. If she won the BS would be even fucking greater and everyone would be back to fucking emails.

        • Grendel

          Just wait till they appoint the special prosecutor. I think I read that Ken Starr just got fired, so he’s probably available.

          • JHan

            let them try it smh.

      • JHan

        I can see the stupid ass headlines now “Congressman FuckTurdChaffetz vows to impeach Clinton”

  • Squirrel_Time

    Oh, for fuck’s sake you ninny of a Trumptard:

    Learn some fucking US history, already.

    This country was founded with slavery intact. It was crafted by elite white men, and designed for the same.

    It took an outsider to win the US presidency and fight one of the bloodiest wars in the history of the world to rid this nation of slavery. It took the same US president to use the word ‘equality’ in one of his most famous speeches, and the same to get the 13th amendment passed. Know how he was paid back for it? He was murdered.

    Then it took another fucking 100 years of violence and bloodshed to guarantee the civil rights of minorities and women – and they did that shit themselves. They faced water cannons and attack dogs; the relentlessly marched, sang, wept and put themselves in harms’ way day in and day out for nearly a decade to get the Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts passed. White Americans didn’t do that. They by and large opposed both.
    Know what?
    They fought for YOU, Ninny Girl, as much as they fought for themselves.
    They were all in. People like MLK, Coretta Scott King, John Lewis, Rosa Parks and yes, scary Malcolm X sure as shit knew if they didn’t get in the face of white America, nothing whatsoever would change for them. NOTHING.

    Know what, you stupid ninny girl? Regardless of what I just said about you, I still do not want a Trump Goon Squad come and deport you because of your religion.

    Like I said: the civil rights battle was for all Americans. It includes the stupid ones who emigrate here, become a citizen, try to cling to their culture and religion. Yes, Ninny girl – even you, who foolishly brags about supporting the man who could take it all away with the stroke of a pen.

    • Serai 1

      And let’s not forget that a presidential candidate who very much wanted to continue the work in civil rights was also murdered. He was our last chance. After Bobby, the road turned down into the dark forest where monsters dwell, and we’ve been trying like hell to claw our way out ever since. But each time we make it, the monsters pull us back again, thanks in part to weasels who care more about themselves than the rest of their fellows.

  • Beowoof14

    Holy Shit is all I can say in response. Holy shit.

  • sg77

    I can’t even.

    • Squirrel_Time

      I thought I was done crying.

      Evidently, I’m not.

      • The Devastated Ms. MLG

        I’ll never be done crying about this. Ever.

        • Squirrel_Time

          This has been a year of personal loss for me.

          On Wednesday, I woke up to a feeling I know all too well: that someone died.

          Turns out it was our democracy.

          • The Devastated Ms. MLG

            Same. Lost my Dad 3 weeks ago. Now this? I’m moments away from a padded room. I’m so sorry for you and for us all.

          • lroom

            I’m sorry about your Dad.

          • The Devastated Ms. MLG

            Thank you, darlin’.

          • Darkrose

            My condolences. *hugs*

          • The Devastated Ms. MLG

            Thank you. :)

      • sg77

        Join the club. Folks in my neighborhood are shocking, crying and scared to death.

  • Land Shark Hombre

    “When things get really bad, just raise your glass and stamp your feet and do a little jig. That’s about all you can do.”

    — Leonard Cohen

    • JHan

      fucking 2016

  • MynameisBlarney

    So…here’s some cute for ya.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAmZucyzyZM

  • Jenny

    I saw in a trans page that a Latina trans woman voted for Trump. Reason given, he’ll give her more money. I told her I hope those thirty pieces of silver keep you warm at night while others suffer, Judas Iscariot.

    • Mezzaluna

      Why would…how does that even…WTF?

    • Grendel

      Did I miss the deadline to sign up for the Trump money?

      • Hijabi Rockstar

        Do we get it when we turn in our Obamaphones?

    • IOnlyLikeCats

      When has he actually paid anyone he owed? He’ll defraud the economy too!

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      I hope she has a strong bladder and can hold her pee.

  • moebym

    I met a woman who, though a lifelong Democrat, was voting for Trump because “change”. She wouldn’t let either of us get a single word in.

    Yet another woman accosted us and asked us what Hillary had done in 30 years. She also didn’t let us hapless volunteers try to explain.

    I wanted to smack them both.

    • Paganish

      Ooohh, she’s gonna get “change” all right…

      • Serai 1

        Yep, she’ll get all the change she likes, and a case to put it into.

    • Bear OmNomNom

      Eeergh. Getting laid up in the hospital with tuberculosis would be “change” from the boring jobs many of us work, and you don’t see people lining up to volunteer for that.

    • Hijabi Rockstar

      My own husband (who I could totally see writing in “Bernie Sanders” when he voted, but I would like to stay married, so I haven’t asked) described Trump as “an outsider.” The man OWNS HOTELS.

      • Serai 1

        Of course he’s an outsider – to WASHINGTON. It’s exactly the same reason the Clintons were so hated when they first ran, because the Washington elite hates outsiders unless they’re useful idiots. Then they’re welcomed with open arms. Outsiders with a clear vision of how to help the less fortunate and fix our economy? Those are dirty traitors who don’t deserve to run, let alone win.

  • Mezzaluna

    I just found this.
    https://youtu.be/YJDD9WCxYQI

    • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

      Jesus Christ…

      S.C. “Donald Trump is so privileged, that the first job he’s ever had to apply for was President of the United States.”

  • Land Shark Hombre

    Is there some visceral female signal that Hillary is transmitting that these Trump women are picking up that makes them hate her? I can’t wrap my admittedly male brain around how any woman could make that choice.

    Can mean girl or smarter-than-you girl vibes be transmitted over long distances?

    I just don’t get it.

    • It is simple. Girls, from a young age, are told they have to be soft, sweet, understanding, supportive and otherwise subservient to men.
      Hillz from the get go did her own thing, and she stayed with her man when he strayed making all the work she did before somehow magically erased.
      Because women still, and forever, are nothing without their menfolk.

      • Squirrel_Time

        Adding to your post: it’s also why people make a big fucking deal about not ‘liking’ Hillary. Because she is a woman, she has to be nice. She can’t call people names, encourage assaults on dissenters at rallies. Hillary can’t, in the middle of a debate, whip around and tell Trump to stop fucking stalking her.
        Hillary had to do everything backwards and in heels. As a female candidate, she has to be 10X better than her opponent. Hillary 100X better than that dumb fucker Trump.

        And she still did not win.

        • Hijabi Rockstar

          What really kills me is the people who are insisting that a different candidate would have won. Like, “DNC corruption! Should have put up a candidate who wasn’t so COMPROMISED!”

          Hillary lost, and they still can’t pass up a chance to shit on her.

          • jmk

            I know…and every time I hear “yes, I support the idea of a woman being president, but she was just the wrong woman,” I want to scream…the “wrong woman”? Seriously? What – for our one shot at the presidency?? Did anyone describe Mittens as “the wrong Mormon”?
            Fucking misogyny makes me tired.

        • Serai 1

          When she’s 100X better, she’s an uppity bitch. There’s no winning with this fucked up evil mindset.

      • wwylieiii

        Really? I prefer women who know their own minds, speak up when they’ve got something to say, do their own thing (when they want) and are happiest when they walk beside me. I have enough to do to keep my own head and backside together (to be brutally honest).

        People who want to walk behind me always give me a creeping itch in the middle of my back (right between the shoulder blades.)

    • JHan

      self loathing, envy, . internalized misogyny

    • JHan

      think about it, think about all the other politicians that get away with shit, why did they want to go into hillary’s panty drawer – she’s a woman.

      But but benghazi – while ignoring we’ve have embassy attacks before where more people died.

      But but emails – bush white house deleted millions

      but but email server – previous state officials used personal email accounts and even servers violating guidelines.

      But but clinton foundation – like no one else had a charity running on the side while in government

      But but but but she worships Satan! like Karl Rove isn’t beelzebub personified.

      • Squirrel_Time

        The Trumptards were remarkably obsessed with Hillary’s undergarments. Constant reference to how they were diapers because Hillary, you know, shits her pants.

        Day in and day out on these here internet boards I witnessed this obsession with Hillary’s bodily functions.

        It was creepy as fuck.

        • JHan

          I have a theory that it is a weird sexual obsession. The more I think about it maybe it’s a good thing she comes away with the popular vote and doesn’t have to deal with the hate directed at her anymore.

          • Tania

            I saw the saddest thing this morning. Someone posted pics of presidential wives going back before Kennedy. At the end was Melania in her nude pics. Men who I previously thought were sane were cheering and making comments about Michelle being a man. In Australia we have bogans, look up the definition as I think that is who voted him in.

        • Mezzaluna

          Just wait until they hit their fifties and their prostate tries to strangle them.

    • Marceline

      Sam Bee did an amazing piece about everything Hillary’s had to put up with to please people. A lot of it comes down to those who are just so insecure that they see women like Hillary doing their thing as an indictment of the chose they themselves have made. She didn’t want to sit home and bake cookies so the type of women who do think she’s judging them. The fact that she wanted to keep her maiden name is a good example. Good girls take their husband’s name.

      • Mezzaluna

        I just wanted to give my dad a metaphorical middle finger.

    • Serai 1

      Women are trained from birth to dislike and distrust each other. We get it right from the cradle all the way to the grave. Some of us are either lucky, smart, or just bloody-minded enough to reject or escape that training, but a lot aren’t. They see nothing wrong with rejecting someone competent and brilliant and dedicated (especially if she’s more of those than they are) just because she’s female. It’s the internal voice that sniffs and sneers and says “ooo, she’s a BITCH” about any woman who makes them feel small. It’s training.

      • Land Shark Hombre

        That’s sad. Men do it, too. I hope I’m teaching my children differently.

        • Serai 1

          That you recognize it means you’re doing better than a lot of fathers. :)

    • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

      I grew up as a boy in a house full of girls. Which means I grew up to be a man in a house full of women. Along the line, I’ve had many instances where I was the only male in a room full of women — and I was utterly invisible.

      And the things they said about the ones who momentarily left the room?

      Let’s just say there’s more than one reason why women bleed every month.

  • Squirrel_Time

    I see more pussy grabbing in Ninny Girl’s future.

    I don’t think she realizes what she voted for.

    • Serai 1

      She might change her tune when some fuckwad attacks her with the excuse that “Trump says it’s okay!” Then maybe her precious fantasy about how racism “won’t be allowed” by the mythical people doing all the work for her will vanish. I certainly hope nobody does that, but the way things are going, it’s possible. And I get the whiff here of someone who doesn’t believe anything unless it happens to her personally.

      • Darkrose

        Yeah, I wonder how she feels about the woman at my school was was almost strangled when someone tried to yank her hijab off.

  • ” I know it’s not true. Because yeah, we’ll still help you.

    Let’s not this time. Let us say nope, you made your bed, you lie in it, personal responsibility and what not.
    Perhaps we can petition that no blue state dollars go to red states but rather stay all in the state they were collected from.

    • Foreign Agitator Ron

      Unfortunately we’re better than that. Dammit.

      • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

        Aw, crap…

        :::kicks dirt:::

    • pstockholm

      I agree.
      There are ways to do that partially, I have to believe.
      The blue states do need to start creating a separate narrative of America, as an example, an immediate survival strategy, and a springboard for the time when the winds change direction. And they need to do that as a collective. Blue islands in the red ocean are of course welcome and needed.
      I’m very interested to hear more what people think of this.
      (Wonkette being the brain trust of America. Oh, you weren’t aware? You’ve been appointed.)
      And nothing stops the blue states from relieving red state suffering, as a direct support, with conditions. We do that for developing countries, which is in a way what red state America is. And we (sometimes) impose conditions of basic decency, like no killing gays, no fucking with the machinery of democracy. Which is patronizing as fuck, but sometimes that is needed.

      • Darkrose

        I’ve been wondering about this. While #Calexit is funny, it can’t happen. At the same time we voted for Hillary to a historic degree. While we didn’t end the death penalty, EVERY SINGLE COUNTY in the state voted to repeal the ban on bilingual education. The Democrats have a lock on all three branches of state government, including a supermajority in the legislature. And our governor and legislators have made it clear that they’ve got our backs. Oh, and we’re the sixth largest economy in the fucking world.

        Isn’t there some way we can leverage that and push back?

        • LA Julian

          Calexit or Cascadia cannot happen without water independence and I am just gobsmacked at how many people in the Pacific region do not grasp this. It isn’t as though the whole Colorado River disaster hasn’t been talked about extensively for the past 15 years on liberal blogs!

          But there is no serious push at all for the desalinization plants that need to exist for that to happen: conservation isn’t enough when there is no rainfall/snowpack replenishment – and groundwater recharge doesn’t happen with all the pavement and cement-lined watercourses, and there’s barely any effort on the Noisy Far Left to do anything about that, either.

          Those political remoras, those horseleech bastards are AWOL on the ecological activism front where it counts, and the Democrats were asleep at the wheel too – conservative groups had big (expensive!) full color signs everywhere at convenience stores and stations promoting their side on the cigarette referendum, but was there so much as a single sign, or even a single mailpiece among the thousands of VOTE FOR OUR D CANDIDATE, extolling the virtues of the party position on that and the plastic bag referendums? So they were lucky to get the one that’s already in the public awareness – no thanks to them and everything to the ecology educators out there – but the follow through of putting the plastic bag fee money to that use? NOPE.

          The fucking ineptitude and willingness to coast of the professional Democratic establishment and the “Loyal Opposition” alike disgust me to the point that I can’t see any way around it, since all our side’s moneymen are willing to support are orgs that make pretty TV ads, but not to fight the Murdoch machine in the trenches. And that hasn’t worked in twenty bloody years!!!

  • MynameisBlarney
  • Wow. I could not have said it any better. Brava bellissima!

  • Paganish

    These new Wonkette articles are going to be the death of “Dear Shit For Brains”. There’s so much raw derp floating around that it just all flows into one ginormous MIGRAINE.

  • Foreign Agitator Ron

    ‘Pro-Choice, Pro-Same Sex Marriage, Non-Racist Trump Supporters’
    I looked in all my bestiaries (I have a collection. I love cryptozoology) but a creature like this was too fantastic even for medieval monks zonked out on ergot and brandy.

    • Raan

      Even the Voynich Manuscript?

      • Foreign Agitator Ron

        First place I looked. I’m glad I sprung for the annotated edition.

    • Try the psychiatric manuals, under “sociopaths.”

      • LA Julian

        No, it’s under Multiple Personality Disorder.

  • Also, all you purity ponies who are saying “I voted for Trump because you did not give me the candidate I wanted”?
    Fuck you. I hope you sleep well knowing you will be second against the wall, right after we actual liberals.

    • One of the things I’ve pointed out to several of them over the years is that history shows one lesson: Those who most advocate for revolutions, or “when the people rise up” are the most likely to be the first against the wall when it happens.

      • Serai 1

        I don’t doubt they puff up their chests and brag about how THEY’RE NOT SCARED OMG.

        • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

          “Hey, man, I’m at the TOP LEVEL in Call of Duty. I can handle myself in a firefight.”

    • Marceline
  • Marceline

    “Because yeah, we’ll still help you. And you’ll probably continue voting in ways that will screw us, but we’ll still help you. Because unlike you, we’re not only out for ourselves.”

    This, sadly, is something we’re going to have to stop. It’s time to let the kids touch the stove because pain is the only way they learn.

    • mfp

      yes…touch the stove, kids, even tho you were warned countless times

    • rip america

      Yup. All the high ground gets you is an asskicking. And every time, our response is “Thank you sir, may I have another?”

      • wwylieiii

        Holding the high ground only works if two conditions are true: That the opposition needs to occupy that position to secure their own (in other words they can’t bypass you) and if you don’t abandon that position to meet them as they come towards you.

        I think we’ve seen that they can certainly bypass the high ground in this case.

        • rip america

          ^^This^^ Holding the high ground only matters if enough people actually *value* the high ground. This election has made it abundantly clear that most voters are gutter-dwellers, and proud of it.

    • Stulexington

      They just grabbed the stove when we weren’t looking. I think she means we’ll put the ointment on the burn after.

    • MC Planck

      Except: they will not learn. To admit Trump was wrong is to admit they were wrong. They will not learn, no matter how bad it gets.

      Our only hope is the 40% of lazy fuckwads that didn’t bother to vote. If you can wake them up, you might be able to save your democracy.

  • mfp

    as scary as trump is, what’s even scarier is knowing that by spring, he’ll be so dis-interested that he’ll be golfing more than anything else, and every fucked up plan that paul ryan has to kill off soc sec, medicare, medicaid–and every other thing that made this country great that our parents and grandparents worked, fought and died for–will happen in the blink of an eye…trump, being the easily-manipulated narcissist that he is, will sign any and evrything those assholes set in front of him

    i weep for us all…well, i will as soon as i recover from my two-day rage-drunk, anyway

  • mfp

    not that i wanna grt all long and scholarly on my fellow wonketteers, but i think we’re gonna need this…long-ish, but an excellent read–and necessary

    http://www2.nybooks.com/daily/s3/nov/10/trump-election-autocracy-rules-for-survival.html

    • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

      That was *definitely* worth the time to read.

      For anyone else who might be wondering if it’s worth your time, I’d like to give you six reasons to follow that link:

      Rule #1: Believe the autocrat.
      Rule #2: Do not be taken in by small signs of normality
      Rule #3: Institutions will not save you
      Rule #4: Be outraged
      Rule #5: Don’t make compromises
      Rule #6: Remember the future

    • Sekhmet1

      Great article, thank you.

  • rip america
  • Paul

    “FORMER Wall St. Journal reporter.” Sounds like she’s trying to get a job as a token at some right wing shitpile.

  • Kim W.

    Bernie/Jill and supporters wanted a revolution? They’re getting their fucking chance. Let’s see them revolutionize the shit out of themselves helping people in the red states. I’m guessing we won’t see hide nor hair of that lot for another four years.

    • Serai 1

      Wanna hear some good news? BERNIE IS TALKING ABOUT RUNNING AGAIN.

      In 2020. He wants to do this to us AGAIN. Because it’s not enough that he siphoned away the votes we needed to defeat this monster. NOPE. He hasn’t gotten enough fucking attention, so he’s going to do it again.

      Just when we thought we were free of fucking Nader, now we’ve got ANOTHER tiresome asshole with no chance in hell of winning who’s going to show up every four years in time to fuck up whatever election is going on.

      Isn’t that nice?

      • rip america

        One hopes Elizabeth Warren would run, but of course, she’s not pure, having supported Hillary. Wait, Bernie supported Hillary, too! Guess he can’t run again after all.

      • HazooToo

        You know, I honestly don’t care if he fucked us or not. If it comes down to him or four more years of Trump, we all know who we’re voting for.

        • Serai 1

          The problem is Bernie hasn’t a chance in hell of being the nominee, let alone President. There’s no way he could get elected in this country. Socialist? Jewish? I think this election has shown up the chances of that, and four years is a laughably short time to project that would change. If he gets in, he’ll do the same thing he did now – split the vote. And I’m certainly not prepared to believe he wasn’t a major cause, what with there being so many people who did not vote and whose votes we can’t know. We don’t need this again. We need someone who could actually become President.

          • HazooToo

            He could only split the vote if he wasn’t the nominee, I think, or if he decided to do away with even the pretense of being a Democrat and ran as a Green. Seriously, from the beginning, I thought he was only running as a Democrat because Greens never even get looked at seriously. Still tho! If he won the nom and I had to pick between him and Trump, I’d vote for him. And very possibly lose again, because you’re right about that part, the Trumpwads would piss all over him and suppress the voters again, and the only thing we might have going for us that time would be that he has a penis, and his supporters are apparently as fanatic as Trump’s.

          • Serai 1

            Seeing how fucking idiotic people have been about Hillary all the way since the 90’s, I don’t believe he could even be the nominee. Most people seem to be prone to listening to any bullshit that sounds good, and it would be so fucking easy for the wingnuts to dig up all the stupid shit Bernie’s said and done in his career and make hay of it. And if the choice is between a loud fucker who trumpets WOMEN ARE FOR FUCKING, or a loud fucker who politely asks if women’s rights “is a real issue”? Bernie’s economic ideas might have some merit, but he does and says nothing about anything else, so I can’t see him ever getting the nomination because he simply doesn’t represent the left.

          • HazooToo

            Thank you, yes, that is exactly the first mistake he made. The second was not reeling in his supporters right off the bat when they started acting like assholes. They alienated people who could have voted for their candidate! Why the fuck would you do that?!

          • Serai 1

            Ego, ego, and ego. Oh, and of course, EGO. He was basking in the adulation and the ass-kissing and the brown-nosing. One of the most difficult things about being famous and admired is avoiding the pernicious influence of all that doe-eyed worship. Bernie simply isn’t a strong enough person to do that. I don’t know that I’D be a strong enough person to do that, which is one reason why I’ve never wanted to be famous, and don’t really understand people who do.

          • HazooToo

            Neither would I. Also, the shit-slinging, like literally every day of the election for Hillary. But still straying from my initial point, which was “If I had to pick between Trump and Bernie, 1000% Bernie.”

          • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

            Bernie only knows how to agitate. He does not know how to lead.

            “This is your revolution!”

            Oh yeah? Gimme a fuckin’ break, dude!

          • Serai 1

            Yeah, it was the same bullshit with Nader. So now we’ve got ANOTHER asshole just like him. Great.

      • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

        Is there any way to kick Bernie Sanders out of the Democrat party. He’s not really a Democrat.

        • Serai 1

          Oh, good luck with that. He thinks of himself as a savior now, so we’re stuck with his tiresome ass.

      • yarndog

        Bernie will be 79 years old in 2020. Ain’t gonna happen.

    • Stulexington

      They want a revolution? They just got one, just not the one they were hoping someone else would give them.

    • LA Julian

      So I guess they weren’t really serious about BURN IT ALL DOWN SO WE CAN HAVE A REACTION FROM THE MASSES after all? Or are they just now realizing that living in a Fury Road timeline is no fun at all? Hey, they can go grow their organic weed now and sell that to the travelling Warlords in hope of being spared, right?

      • starfanglednut

        Omg yes. I know a few people who were all “trump needs to win so he can destroy everything and then the country will be ready for a genuine progressive.” Now they’re freaking the fuck out.

  • efoveks

    Islam has a rich history of truly great intellectual contributions, especially in the areas of astronomy and medicine and engineering. It did not save a single life from ISIS.

    Just a thought on what a rich history cannot do if the present does not support it.

  • Vel Venturi

    Reminds me of the anti-vaxers who say that herd immunity will make everything ok, so don’t worry!

    • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

      Jesus… that is *exactly* the mindset.

    • LA Julian

      THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT SPRANG TO MY MIND YESTERDAY.

      You know what doesn’t bother me at all? My smallpox vaccine scars (yes, I’m just old enough for that!) What does bother me? The zillion ones that are just barely fading because they hadn’t invented the chicken pox vaccine when I was a kid. And I had a relatively mild case…

      Fuck antivax. As a student of history and folk art, I’ve spent a lot of time in old cemeteries. They ought to take a look at what child mortality looks like even among the wealthiest families when vaccines are not available, let alone affordable health care to the general population.

  • Akat

    Robyn you are on point today. I may make my horrible Trump voting mother read this. Would it be wrong to tell her she has to if she wants to see her grandson?

    • Stulexington

      I don’t think so, you get to set the rules, especially on what your children get taught. I mean don’t use the threat often but this is super important.

    • phoenix00

      Absolutely not. Grandmothers are as much role models and guides as mothers. She needs to get her shit together before your son gets any of her.

  • seitz

    I am in favor of a total ban on Muslims who are as stupid as Asra Q. Nomani.

    • jmk

      You should be more inclusive – and favor a total ban on people who are as stupid as Asra Q. Nomani.

  • NebraskaNative1

    Outstanding! Thank you!

  • jmk

    Beautifully said, Robyn. Thank you.

  • phoenix00

    > As a special note to “pro-choice” Trump supporters: No, you’re not.

    Did these so-called people not see the name “Michael Pence” on the ballot beside “Donald Trump”, beside the same box on the ballot? Do they not know or hear about what that man has done and represents? His stance on womens’ rights? His continual attempts at defunding PP and overturning of Roe v Wade? Are they absolutely THIS short-sighted?

    United Fucking States of Fucking Stupid, to borrow from a fellow non-commenter. Goddamn.

    • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

      Jesus…

      I don’t really consider myself the most politically-informed person: I’m not tracking down all the candidates and all their gorram views on all the issues, but even *I* knew Pence was a disaster regarding choice and women’s rights. Holy Wombat shit nuggets, Batman!

      • phoenix00

        Sigh goddamn. “Mommy, what’s a political platform?” is a question that went wholly unasked and unanswered.

      • phoenix00

        The wee widdle wombats forgive….

        HOLY RODENT DROPPINGS THESE THINGS ARE HUUUUGE!
        http://www.somuchviral.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/wombat-patrick6.png

        • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

          This is what you get if you don’t want to spend six years making your cob house by hand.

        • Dazza

          Before humans arrived in Oz there were giant wombat megafauna called Diprotodon that were 3 metres nose to tail, 2 metres tall at the shoulder and weighed 2700 kilos. But then humans arrived 45,000 years ago and, well – pointed sticks and fire beats claws every time.

          Wow. That got very nerdy, very fast.

          And can I say I have snuggled a very mellow wombat once, and it was a high point in my life.

          • phoenix00

            I am ok with fast nerds as I’m somewhat of a fast nerd myself.

            As for snuggling a wombat? J-E-L-L-Y.

        • mfp

          i….i had no idea…

        • Delu

          That’s a Capybara not a Wombat right?

          • phoenix00

            Google says wombat, article says wombat, I go with Wombat.

  • Reddishrabbit

    Bravo.

  • A_Garrulous_Cartoon_Giraffe

    I didn’t vote for Trump, but I feel like I share in the responsibility for him winning because I voted third party (Jill Stein, in case anyone is wondering), on principle, only with the understanding that Hillary was basically a lock to win anyway. And let me tell you, it’s not a nice feeling. I hope that any not-completely-evil Trump supporters such as the ones described in this article will come to eventually feel as miserable and responsible as I do right now when Trump finally gets started on his agenda.

    • LinGin

      It’s people like you who voted for Stein because Hillary was “a lock” that elected Trump. They (and Johnson voters) provided the margin for Trump (and that asshole Pat Toomey) to win my state of Pennsylvania. Not a nice feeling? Go fuck yourself because you sure as hell helped to fuck the rest of us.

      • A_Garrulous_Cartoon_Giraffe

        I get that you’re mad, everyone is mad. I’m mad too, at myself. But this isn’t the time to be attacking allies.

        • Panika MCD

          umm…hon, you might not want to tell people how to respond to you when you admit that you were part of the problem. we’re not feeling your allegiance right now.

        • ohmydog

          “Allies”? Is that really what you’re calling yourself? I don’t think the word means what you think it does. So go fuck right on off, snowflake. When you lose your health insurance, maybe Jill will help you.

        • rip america

          Right, the time to be attacking allies was before the election, when progressive purity ponies like you did their best to disseminate every piece of RWNJ bullshit about Hillary.

          The simple fact is, you helped put Trump in the White House, so you are not an ally. Your current regret doesn’t change that. If you want absolution, perhaps you should form an online support group for yourself and other morally superior voters who now feel bad, and you can all absolve each other.

        • WTF*ckJustHappened

          Ally? Seriously? I was inspired by you to make my first comment where comments are not allowed.

          That comment is for you to fuck completely off, with or without votes, don’t care.

        • WTF*ckJustHappened

          Oh, and just for you to be clear on what you have done, you have made this kind of shit (also as posted below) OK. Thanks. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/71f667358ae2f9a75bfaef2d69cc58a5a36877f89da667800dc4b85fb73ffce5.jpg

        • Crazt Maist Waizy

          How patronising and arrogant can you get?

          You are not our ally, and you do not get to dictate patronisingly to us about how we should react to you helping ruin America. We don’t need patronising shits as ‘allies.’

        • LA Julian

          You are not an ally. You are a Quisling supporter of white straight wealthy male supremacy.

    • rip america

      Your vote was bad and you should feel bad. But hey, your principles are intact.

      • nightmoth

        Yeah, how nice that the purity police won’t come for Cartoon Giraffe.
        Now, the brownshirts on the other hand——–

    • Panika MCD

      thank you for taking responsibility for your actions. I hope that you now realize that nothing is ever a lock and you’ll work harder in the future to make sure things like this don’t happen.

    • feministing

      go fuck yourself. nothing is ever a lock and i pity you for being so stupid and so lacking in empathy that you tricked yourself into thinking anything political “was a lock” because let me guess, you just don’t like her, right? but thanks for coming here to confess. you are absolved. now fuck off.

    • Bemused

      You should have listened to the Editrix about her Nader vote. Learn from the past, or you shall be doomed to repeat it.

    • Darkrose

      And what active steps are you taking right now to block his agenda?

      Yeah, that’s what I figured. Ally my fat black lesbian ass. I’m not your damn maid. Fuck you.

      • rip america

        I’m amused (in a nauseated sort of way) by the idea that we can stop the Trump agenda now that he’s president. Right now Repubs have a lock on two branches of government. Before that end of Donald’s first term they’ll get the third, when the fetid compost heap in chief makes his SCOTUS appointments. For a good 30 years, we’ll be without judicial recourse.

        But yeah, let’s all work together now to stop Trump.

    • nightmoth

      As you can tell from the attacks, Giraffe, too soon. Too fucking soon. I’m guessing you were too young to remember what happened with Nader? Maybe you could get with your 3rd party homies and commiserate together, then get back to us in the future. What there is of it.

    • Theresa Azores

      We warned you about throwing your vote away. What did you think we were talking about?

    • LA Julian

      You dumbass antivaxxers STILL don’t get that “herd immunity” only works if an overwhelming majority of people take on that 10000th of a percent risk of a bad reaction and share the burden — that terrible, terrible burden of my 2 smallpox scars that show when I wear a sleeveless top! OH WAIT no actually the burden is all the many chickenpox scars because there WAS no vaccine when I was eight.

      (And if you’re about to bleat that you aren’t an antivaxxer, shut up because your idol Jill is one, or worse yet a panderer to them, and you chose to help wreck the country because you thought she would make you holier than us sinful compromisers voting D. And if that makes you whine that we’re being mean and you’ll run back into the wilderness, then you were never Leftier-than-thou, you were always an authoritarian dumbass in favour of rule by white straight male propertyowners, just in denial about it. Brexit x50 indeed! But hey, your Holy St. Jill was all in favour of that, too!)

    • haroldpp

      Thank you for having the stones (inner or outer) to post. I know you are getting a lot of rage and maybe it was too soon to for us to hear it. I, along with many others, have been saying for months now, don’t do it, PLEASE don’t do it learn from the past. I am still in agony for our nation and perhaps not ready to offer absolution.

      I hope you can just take the regret you feel and put it into mitigating the damage where you can.

  • This is really unfair, to be consistent, if you voted for hillary then you are a fan of the iraq war, drone strikes, the subjugation of palestine, public/private political positions, are in favor of neoliberalism and wall street, and like the idea of selling 1.2 billion dollars worth of weapons to saudi arabia, after your own staff knew they funded and supported isis. She is clearly in favor of all these thing, so then any hillary voter is as well right? Wow then every hillary voter is morally bankrupt and really hates brown people from other countries. Hillary’s actions have directly slaughtered arabs and hondurans etc, so then hillary voters are fans of killing arabs? Honestly no, that’s absurd, you can vote for hillary because your pro-choice and pro-climate science and pro-planned parenthood and not be guilty of all the other horrible things she’s been a part of. Then people can vote for trump (uhh idk any of his concrete policies, they keep changing, let’s say an import tariff) and not be called worse than the open racists who vote for his cavalier xenophobic speech.

    • Panika MCD

      you know what? it would have been great for you to come talk to people so they could fucking set your ass right BEFORE you voted. for now, get your ass back to Breitbart or what ever fucking reddit forum you came from and figure out how you can apologize to the rest of us for your stupid little tantrum. mmmkay?

      • Fun with Cthulhu

        Preach!

      • yeah except everything i said is a demonstrable fact. I voted 3rd party in a non-swing state.

        • Panika MCD

          you are using the word “fact” flagrantly which makes you part of the problem. ask questions. don’t pretend that you’re a fucking precog.

          • if you deny reality in order to cheerlead for your team…”maybe vast amounts of wall street money don’t effect policy, lalalala….” You are part of the problem, standing in the way of building a just and equitable future.

        • Panika MCD

          aka “demonstrable fact” and “demonstrable opinion” are not interchangeable just because you picked up the word “demonstrable” before figuring out what a fucking adjective is.

          • No demonstrable fact in that there are vast amounts of factual legitimate journalistic and primary sources that I can use to “demonstrate” from where I derived the factual assertions I made about reality. If you do not like a fact that does not transform it into an opinion.

    • rip america

      FFS, That Woman will never be president, and the odious, bloated, man shaped pile of offal that was your candidate is going the White House. The Clinton horse is dead. You can beat off to something else now.

      • cat cafe

        Right? I mean, before, you could possibly say that the assholes who were trying to bully us with their lies and bullshit that all just meant “we don’t like powerful women and they should shut up,” at least were trying to get someone elected who reflected their views. But now, they’re just here for the bullying. Who bullies people and keeps on lying about them AFTER THEY WIN? Weaklings, that’s who. Because now, their guy’s in charge, they actually have WORK to do, but they’re still a lazy bunch of dickweasels who just want to keep on namecalling and lying. They can all just fuck off with that shit. They got their way–they got their bloated sack of offal elected–so now, guess what? Their turn to take care of shit. Business to do, dickheads. Go do it, assholes.

      • I hate donald trump. You clearly are playing some team sport when you should be playing the game of reason.

    • Theresa Azores

      I’d rather be a Hillary supporter who is “morally bankrupt” than a Nazi like you. Don’t give me this pile of garbage you tried to unload on the rest of us here. You’re still a Nazi and a traitor to this country. And your garbage will catch up with you–sooner, rather than later.

      • i’m not a nazi, i’m actually jewish, and I hate trump, but I also hate hypocrisy.

  • Panika MCD

    got to love the whole “I’m super nice to black people I meet on the street!” because the street is not where you meet people unless you’re at a parade or a block party. the street is where you’re going from one place to the other. black people aren’t out there walking around so that special snowflakes can say shit like “what’s up, my brother! high five!” or “hey, could you explain Black Lives Matter to me? I just don’t get it.” they’re walking to work or running errands or on there way to something they enjoy which is not making your ass woke. if the only place you ever see black people is on the street, you need to consider your life choices a bit more.

  • Sekhmet1

    “Oh for fuck’s sake” seems to be my default phrase this week. I have nothing to add to this excellent response save to say that people such as Ms “Lifelong Liberal” Trumpkin can get in the bin too. No wonder I’ve had a week of migraines.

  • MC Planck

    Yes.

  • SayItWithWookies

    I appreciate Nomani’s perspective, but it doesn’t make any sense to me. She can’t afford healthcare with Obamacare, so does she think she’s going to afford it without it?

    And she’s not afraid of being oppressed as a Muslim, but then she outlines what she is concerned about — other Muslim governments that oppress people:

    What worried me the most were my concerns about the influence
    of theocratic Muslim dictatorships, including Qatar and Saudi Arabia, in
    a Hillary Clinton America. These dictatorships are no shining examples
    of progressive society with their failure to offer fundamental human
    rights and pathways to citizenship to immigrants from India, refugees
    from Syria and the entire class of de facto slaves that live in those
    dictatorships.

    But does she really think Trump is gonna push Saudi Arabia and Qatar to have better civil rights records? Trump admires dictators and strong men and authoritarians. Shit, she’s voted against her own interests in more ways than she knows.

  • HooverVilles

    Well stated Robyn!

  • feministing

    once again, thank you for being a voice of reason. this just created more work and put the burden to fall squarely on the shoulders of people already DOING the work. of people already living hard lives defending themselves every single fucking day because of what they look like or who they love. im so tired. i needed other people to put their money where their mouth was and help me out with some of the work. i needed them to share some of the burden. but they chose hated, revenge and a dollar sign. i think all this might actually cause me to retreat more into my own life and just look out for myself. living a quiet life sounds good right about now.

  • LadyLaz

    THIS. THIS.

    Things are bad in my house right now. My husband just confessed for voting for trump. And I live in a state that got close to flipping for the first time to democrat.

    But Trump is a socialllll liberall! Did you not see f*king Pence?

    I said, “you voted to take away my constitutional right to choose, because you are frightened that Hillary is going to take away the second amendment” (which she has never done nor threatened to do, unlike f**king Pence and the rest). So I guess we both lose. My right to have an abortion if bc fails (that never happens!) and your right to have sex. Good luck with that.

    I don’t want any more kids. Guess I will just keep my knees closed with an aspirin between them.

    Honestly, the betrayal. I knew so many Republicans who in good conscious could not vote for that hate bag… but my husband, yep. Cause Hillary is bad.

    • Dazza

      Dan Savage’s ‘Savage Love’ column in the Seattle newspaper, The Stranger, has just dealt with this – very interesting reading. I don’t know your situation, that’s your business, but I hope things can be resolved in a way you are happy with.

    • nightmoth

      I’m sorry, Laz. I really am. Let’s do that drinky thingy in Athens.

    • wwylieiii

      Don’t be too hard on your husband. As it turns out, women were just as responsible for electing Trump as men were. This point, therefore, brings me to an observation: Those who voted for Trump, and took their existing rights for granted (such as choice in reproductive health) have no business complaining when they lose that right. None. Don’t get me wrong, I support a woman’s right to choose but I refuse to do for them what they won’t do for themselves. It’s apparent that a majority of women think that this issue will “magically” be resolved without any harm to them. They’re about to learn that they were wrong.

      • jodyleek

        The problem is that the women who voted for Trump can just drive/fly to a state that provides abortion if they so choose. The poor won’t be able to do that with such ease. The poor also won’t be able to get their hands on birth control, thus increasing unwanted pregnancies and all of the problems associated with that situation. Meanwhile, rich white women will still have the ability to receive birth control as they always have. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer and pregnant, and on and on.

        • wwylieiii

          and that’s a cost we will all bear (sooner or later). Funny how that fact never seems to factor in to “right to life” discussions.

    • jodyleek

      Buy yourself some very good vibrators and tell your husband to have Trump suck his dick. Seriously, we have to take a stand and that includes in our own bedrooms.

  • going4baroque
  • Red 2

    First, Clinton was a terrible candidate. According to exit polling, among those who strongly disliked both candidates Trump won 2 to 1.

    Second, some of your friends lied about who they were supporting. If you blocked, unfriended, or unfollowed people for their views, then you don’t get to be surprised by the results. And if you spent your time posting or saying things like this article which makes straw men out of the opposition or calls them bigots then you can’t be surprised when they stop listening to you and simply vote against you.

    Third, calling Trump supporters bigots is comforting. It’s easier to explain everything away with the explanation that it’s all due to irrational fears and beliefs. However, the same country which voted for Obama as president, and gave him 65% approval ratings when he entered office and 20% disapproval ratings, and then reelected him, is the same country that voted for Trump. Who are they? 42% of women. 29% of latinos. 9% of blacks (which is higher than Romney got). And among those who really are big Trump supporters, these are the same people who liked Palin as VP, follow Milo and West, put Cain at the top for a bit in the 2012 primary and Carson at the top for awhile in this years primary, and bumped Fiorina from the losers debate stage to the winners one.

    If you want to just view half the country as bigots, it may be comforting but won’t actually help you to figure out why your side lost.

    • Delu

      What I’d like to know is why YOUR side voted for Trump.

      You know? The NOT bigots, the NOT racists, the pro-choicers, the NOT sexists.

      Etc etc.

      The very same Trump voters above that the article did NOT call bigots. No in fact the only fault I find with that article is that it didn’t ask the all important question, one that you yourself have highlighted here.

      Why?

      Well I am now asking that question, and, assuming you are one of those people (hey, YOUR SIDE LOST, seems like you’re on a side which….did not lose? Which is Trump’s side I guess?), why Trump?

      Why Trump, with your own views, are you one of those not bigots. not racist, pro-choicers not sexists etc etc people that the article above references (and assuming you did indeed read it).

      And this is a REAL IMPORTANT QUESTION, because I have seen quite a few people who have come out and basically said “I am NOT bigots, the NOT racists, not all the things that “the left” thinks I am”. But at the same time they all proudly state they voted for a guy who is indeed all those things. Trump was NEVER shy about being himself, heck he could not be anything else BUT himself throughout the campaign. And do you really need me to list down WHY Trump is regarded as a bigot, a sexist, an Islamophobe, a xenophobe, a racist etc etc? Because really that’s not only not difficult, it really is pretty much established fact. It’s no secret to anyone. Least of all to Trump.

      The most important thing now is….why? Why did people who say they are completely UNLIKE Trump, vote for a guy who was…well Trump, and was never shy about being Trump?

      So why? Why is it that you guys voted for Trump? I’m less interested in why Hillary lost than why Trump won because there is no rational reason I can see that would have him in elected office ANYWHERE let alone President.

      Do explain, your rationale for voting trump.

      • Red 2

        In any choice between two options it is irrational to question why someone chose option A without also considering why someone didn’t choose option B. Also, while I certainly could engage in a conversation on the merits and faults of Trump and why he would be chosen as an option, the fact that you’ve already stated that you can think of no rational reason why someone would pick him doesn’t sound like you’d be very open minded to the reasoning. I’m willing to bet that any rationale I made would simply be met with dismissive arguments based on your statement. Having said that, I think you would perhaps be better served listening to Michael Moore’s before and after opinions on the election. While I don’t think he completely gets it, he certainly gets a lot of it. And as a far leftist, I think you may be more open minded to his insight.

        • nightmoth

          Try us, Red. ” I’m willing to bet that any rationale I made would simply be met with dismissive arguments” I live in a deep south county, with a lynch history, that is 86% white, 95% Protestant, and 23% college educated. It went 85% for Trump. I’m very curious as to what rationale you posit, other than the obvious.

          • Red 2

            Lol…yeah, that sounds open minded. Your post also ignores left wing bastions like Penn, Mich, and Wisc.

          • Delu

            Patience my friend, I’m preparing my post for you.

            You can read the one I put up above while you are waiting.

          • nightmoth

            The states you cited are far from left-wing bastions, and the rural urban split is NOT endemic to the South. If you followed the election returns county by county as they came in, you had to have noticed that urban areas and university towns went for Clinton, who, may I remind you, won the popular vote.

          • Red 2

            Those three states have voted Democrat consistently since 1992.

          • nightmoth

            I don’t conflate Democratic with left-wing. Those states are heavily unionized, and right now the political analysis is that Trump’s strong anti-trade stance is what won him his (narrow) margins there, along with poor voter turnout in Wisconsin.

          • Crazt Maist Waizy

            You’re still refusing to explain why you voted? Come on, dude. Your excuses are silly. You’re literally telling others that they’re unwilling to discuss and then refusing to answer anyone when they continue to try and get you to open up.

          • Red 2

            See my response in the thread. Also, as stated, my post was simply showing the irrational nature of people who can’t see any reason why anyone would vote for Trump unless they are a bigot. By definition this is an irrational concept and all the responses I got were more of the same.

        • Delu

          Now I MIGHT take your post a little more seriously than I do right now…..if you actually came up and put forward the reasons in your FIRST post (and even HERE) instead of going around saying how you are misunderstood etc.

          No harm in that, but if that’s ALL you’re going to do then why are you surprised that you are misunderstood?

          And don’t tell me that because I’ve said that I can see no rational reason as to why Trump would be voted, therefore there should be no discussion. This is called preemptively running away from actually discussing and is usually a tactic used by those who explicitly don’t want to discuss. I’ve seen it way too often to not recognize it when I see it now!

          As for Michael Moore, he speaks for himself, but what about you? Are his the only words you can rely on or do you not have a voice of your own.

          You are indeed entitled to an explanation of why I find Trump to not be a rational choice. It’ll be somewhat a summary, I’m a little tired from typing the missive above:

          1.) His dominance reliance personality. Trump has shown this throughout his campaign by viciously attacking back those who criticize him in tweets, for any perceived transgressions against him. The best example of this was his tweetstorm about Alicia Machado after Hillary Clinton mentioned her in the first debate.

          No one told him to do this but he did and he attacked her viciously, even lied about her “sex tape” when all Alicia Machado ever did was speak out against him from her own experiences (he did not deny insulting her, he tried to JUSTIFY his insults), and indeed Alicia was not the one who brought the issue up, Clinton did.

          And no Clinton isn’t responsible for Trump doing those tweets in the wee hours of the morning. Trump could have decided not to, there was no reason for him to do what he did but he chose to anyway. Imagine how easy it would be for any foreign nation to provoke Trump into a reaction that they expect, he’d be a disaster for America in foreign negotiations. Speaking of foreign negotiations:

          2.) His belligerence towards other nations. With the exception of Russia whom he seems strangely cosy with. Trump has shown that he is ready to alienate any of his allies that don’t do as he wants them to or as he tells them to. It’s not just Mexico or NATO I’m talking about here, any country that he perceives as slighting him will likely receive that treatment. Look at his treatment of Alicia Machado.

          3.) He lies as if it is normal, indeed as if though his lies are his ENTITLEMENT. Yeah I know that politicians lie, all of them do at some point, but none as blatant or indeed without a care as Trump. He seems to think that it doesn’t matter if he is caught lying at all and lies for even the most inscrutable reasons, sometimes for no reason at all.

          One of these examples is his lie about “seeing thousands of Muslims celebrating in new jersey when the planes of 9/11 hit”. Another would be how he said that Obama “screamed at a Trump protester” when he actually told the Clinton crowd booing said protester to calm down and then DEFENDED the guy. He has in fact lied more times than any candidate in recent history and the scariest part is that people are not only accepting his lies, they have REWARDED him for it.

          This sets a dangerous precedence. If lying is an accepted norm then what is the point of debate? Anyone can just invent their own facts as trump does and be done with it, and that could mean no shared reality let alone common ground. Trump being elected means he was REWARDED for inventing his own facts. Let that sink in for a bit as to what that might mean for future elections.

          4.) His ignorance about matter of his new job, his complete lack of care that he is ignorant. The debates showed this. Trump didn’t prepare and didn’t care, he didn’t know what he was talking about, could not articulate his policy, could not answer questions about current events or geopolitics properly (but had no problem attacking his opponent because that’s what he’s always been good at). And this wasn’t in just the FIRST one, it was for ALL 3 debates!

          Seriously go back and look through the debates where he tries to answer policy questions or questions on current issues from the moderator. The fact that he did this for all 3 debates showed he never cared to do something about his ignorance which was even worse than the ignorance itself. Ignorance can be remedied if the one who is ignorant is willing. But if the one who is ignorant doesn’t have the will or doesn’t care it will NEVER be remedied.

          Why would you elect a guy who knows not his job and doesn’t care to know about his job to the highest office in the land? If you’re going to say that his advisors are going to run the show for him why not elect one of THEM not him?

          5.) His utter lack of concern for even the democratic process, him winning matters over that. His remarks regarding how he may not accept the result if he lost says it all. Trump cared more about winning than the actual process of democracy that he was being a part of.

          I wonder if he even has any idea WHAT it is that he is actually winning, he might just be trying to win for winning’s sake. His words were very dangerous indeed for had he lost, there would almost certainly have been a far greater outcry by America’s citizens, his supporters AGAINST DEMOCRACY IN AMERICA ITSELF!

          He doesn’t care if his words about the process being rigged was baseless or that it would lead people to lose their confidence in the process itself. He certainly doesn’t care now that he’s won that he said all those baseless things about the voting process before. The callous disregard for the democratic process that he showed there is reason enough that he is unfit for the presidency. Because the Presidency is one which oversees, among other things the democratic process.

          A process his own baseless words threatened to delegitimize just before he was elected using that same process.

          I’m sure I can think of more if I put my mind to it further, but am out of time and am tired. I’ll read your reasoned response (I hope!) to this tomorrow.

          • Red 2

            That’s not a rational argument. In order to be a rational argument you would have to understand the merits and faults of all possible decisions and then weigh them against one another. You’ve laid out some of the cons to Trump, but not the pros. You also haven’t laid out the pros and cons of Clinton or third party choices. Without comprehensively understanding the merits and faults of Clinton, and then weighing them against the merits and faults of Trump, then the decision isn’t rational. If someone looked at all the cons of Trump and decided to vote Clinton instead then they’re by definition making an irrational choice.

          • Delu

            I will simply put this out here, Hillary Clinton does NOT display those cons that I said of Trump, and as I have explained, any one of them can be considered a disqualifying factor for Trump already. I cannot believe I even have to explain this.

            I mean, if there was a candidate A who says that if he is voted he will eat all your babies and a candidate B who says nothing at all, who would you want to vote for?

            It’s not a nuanced example at all, but it shows where I’m coming from, the reason behind me saying that there is no rational reason to vote Trump is….because Trump himself has shown that he is not fit or qualified for the Presidency. Worse he doesn’t give a damn about it.

            When presented with something that is inedible and something that is edible, are you going to consider the finer points of each before deciding which to eat?

            It’s all very well to dress up the situation as “Oh, you didn’t put forward ALL the points and compare them so this is not a rational discussion”….when YOU didn’t do the same either.

            YOU didn’t put forward YOUR points as to why you voted for trump and how and why that was in response to the opinions of liberals towards you. YOU didn’t care to explain your choice at ALL even after you were asked.

            Instead, as seen from your first post, it almost seemed as if you were gloating over your victory.

            THAT there is an attempt at non discussion, don’t think you can simply run away by hurling criteria at me that is irrelevant. You have yet to explain your choice, how the perception of liberals towards you is wrong and how that choice is actually a valid response to it.

            In conclusion to your lack of response I’d give you the reasoning why liberals think of people like you that way:

            1.)You voted for a guy who is all the things you said that liberals called you yet you are not. Well why vote for a guy who is all those things then? Does it somehow prove you are not? It actually gives the opposite impression if you didn’t know.

            2.)You didn’t explain your choice, nor did seem willing to.

            There was no discussion here it seems.

          • Red 2

            I’m only one person. While I could write a very long explanation for why voting for Trump is a logical and rational action (just as voting Hillary or a third party candidate would be) I don’t think it would do any good. If you can’t think of a single explanation for why someone would rationally want to vote for him, or even any con of Hillary’s that when weighed against him would make him the lesser of two evils as a vote, then I don’t have much faith that you would even comprehend my explanations.

            I could very easily right now explain why voting for Trump, Hillary, Johnson, Stein, etc. are the rational optimum choice because I fully understand the merits and faults of these candidates, their positions, and the possible outcome of their win or loss. I could very easily explain why voting for any candidate is the best and most logical choice such that one would think I was their supporter.

            If you are liberal and want to succeed in future elections then assuming in 2008 that the country has turned a progressive leaf and entered a new age of liberalism and then inexplicably turned racist in 2016 won’t help your cause any. Whereas understanding that people are generally rational and have reasons for the decisions they’re making, particularly what motivates the right and left to vote or not, or the center to choose a side, then you can adjust your party, strategy, and platform accordingly. However, just assuming half the country is racist or irrational really just means liberals will simply lose for a very long time and any win that does occur is just a fluke. That’s not exactly a logical conclusion, but to each their own I suppose.

          • Delu

            You know what’s missing in this and all your posts? An explanation. (despite saying how EASY it would be for said explanation to be made. Funny that.)

            What’s in all of them however is excuse after excuse as to why said explanations are missing.

            Right, my conclusion above about why liberals think the way they do about you still stands despite this:

            “However, just assuming half the country is racist or irrational really just means liberals will simply lose for a very long time and any win that does occur is just a fluke. That’s not exactly a logical conclusion, but to each their own I suppose.”
            I’m sorry, I wasn’t “just assuming” here or did you not notice? I mean you haven’t really addressed that either. You’ve called what I’ve written as “not relevant” or else dismissed it entirely while assuming that yeah, it’s those liberals assuming stuff again!

            Not like I’m American, but from a LOGICAL standpoint, voting for a guy who is a bigot, a racist a sexist an Islamophobe etc and who is not shy about it at all as a means of making a statement AGAINST those sort of labels being applied yo oneself….is illogical and irrational barring a proper explanation (which is still yet to manifest). It also gives one the impression (and rightly so) that you are voting for said person BECAUSE of all those labels he has (and which he deserves) and yes the natural assumption then is that it’s because you’re just like him.

            As for how liberals would win in future? Let’s see how things go after President Trump (I sincerely hope you will experience fully and enjoy your choice of Presidential candidate), after which we can speak again about how liberals can win….what’s left to win.

          • Red 2

            That’s true and purposely so. My first post was a call for introspection and the exiting of the echo chamber with an open mind. My further posts were more of an excercise in reasoning which eventually led nowhere. I had rather hoped for a rational exchange even if it was just playing devils advocate, but instead that door remained closed. As I said, there’s a large degree of comfort in chocking decisions of others to irrationality.

          • Delu

            You could have easily opened that door.

            Just say why people would vote for Trump when they are decidedly NOT like him (racist sexist, bigots) etc.

          • Red 2

            The following are reasons. It’s not a complete nor comprehensive list. It’s merely a few points off the top of my head. None of these points are because someone is racist, bigoted, sexist, etc.

            First, most people have a very diverse set of views on any political issue and don’t exist in a black or white dichotomy. However, in the American political system, there are really only two choices with any chance of winning. One represents leftist views and the other the right. Anyone whose views generally fall on the right, even if only slightly so, are given a choice between someone who may or may not generally represent their views, or someone who will represent the opposite of their views. The same is true for anyone on the left. So in any given election no matter how good or bad the Democrat or Republican candidates are, there are large numbers of people who will vote for them anyway because the opposition candidate, no matter how good or bad they are, are not going to represent their views.

            If I was to accept the stereotypes of the two candidates this election, that one is a smart, experienced, insider, and the other is a stupid, inexperienced, incompetent, then it makes the motivation to vote for the nincompoop all the more beneficial. The smarter and more capable one candidate is compared to another, the better it would be in many peoples eyes to vote for the incompetent. If an experienced candidate is capable of actually creating and passing large quantities of policy, then more things will get done. Even if you fall only slightly on the right or are very centrist, then this represents a credible push further to the opposite ideology which would be very difficult to move toward center from. Whereas voting for the idiot means that less will get done and there will be a greater reliance on Congress, who is obviously not the most well regarded institution, but at least there would be more hands on policy and by people who have to answer to a more personal constituency.

            Furthermore, in past elections when a candidate pushed too far towards an ideological end and a punishing mid term election came along, most candidates try to shift gear for the new shifting of the winds. A good example of this is Bill Clinton and his push left followed by a huge Congressional victory for Republicans followed by Clinton’s shift right. In the case of Obama this hasn’t happened in the last six years and Hillary represents more of the same. To make matters worse, in the absence of bipartisanship, things like Executive Orders and Memorandums have been used to rule by fiat. Hillary would definitely do more of the same based on her own words and actions. A vote for a hard change from that, particularly to a populist candidate, is the only way to halt this trend in its tracks.

            Then there’s the concept of Hillary the candidate. On a personal level she’s a terrible human being which is well documented from many people who know her even within her own party. On a professional level she’s corrupt to the core which is also well documented. The Clinton’s also entered office as hundred thousonaires and are now hundred millionaires from their government salaries and charitable work. And on a political level she makes bad decisions and doesn’t own up to the consequences. When weighed against Trump, who is also not good, he’s also at least not a part of the political establishment allowing for this.

            Then there’s the criminal aspect. Trump’s alleged crimes are fairly black and white. If indicted he will likely be found guilty or not. But with Clinton, even though it’s reasonable to see what she’s doing, getting a conviction is problematic. For example, she was legally told to hand over her emails. Then an effort was made to wipe out the server. Did she try to wipe out the server? Based on evidence there’s no way to convict that because it was her IT guy that tried to wipe the server and without a smoking gun you’re not going to get anywhere. If I’m going to vote for a criminal, I’d prefer a straightforward criminal rather than one who is capable of cleverly continuing criminal acts unapologetically without consequence.

            Trump also questions many precedent policies such as continuing to carry the weight of NATO, or the defense of South Korea, or Germany, or Japan. While there are reasons for all of these things, and I’m not suggesting supporting a solid push to stop doing any or all of these things, I appreciate that they’re being strongly questioned. My grandfather fought in the Korean War. Now, North Korea has been through three life long dictators since that war and we’re still guarding the border. After so many decades, why can’t the South Koreans guard their own border. They’re one of the economic power houses of Asia. Again, this isn’t a suggestion to pull out, but it is good to question why we’re shelling out billions of dollars to keep doing something with no end in sight simply because the guy before you did it.

  • Darkrose

    Just a tip: Block User is your friend. Not only on Disqus, though it does starve the trolls, but also on Twitter. Even better, you can pre-emptively block. When I re-tweet something and run into a horrible comment, I go and block that person, even though I haven’t interacted with them yet. Am I closing off potential dialogue? Yup! Am I protecting myself from likely harrassment? Yup–and right now, that’s my priority. I do not give a shit about trying to persuade anyone. I want to work to protect myself and the people already on my side.

  • Delu

    I really want to know those people who voted for Trump, exactly why they did so.

    I’ve seen a number of them who have said that they were the rural people whom the “liberal urban elite” have always thought of as “stupid and backward and racist and bigots” (a paraphrasing of THEIR words btw), I’ve seen them say that yes they voted for Trump, but well they are obviously NOT those things that liberals consider them to be and also something along the lines of “that will teach you liberals to call us those things!”

    I want to hear from them, how their choice, of this man called Trump….proves, as an “in your face to the libs” that they are NOT all those things they bemoan about liberals always calling them.

    Because hey, if you guys are saying that no one is listening and simply calling you those names in an unjustified manner, here’s a listening ear, and one that would like to not only listen, but to SHARE as well.

    Why do you guys who have stated as part of the reason behind your vote, your contempt towards liberals for calling you all those names above, have voted for a guy who is indeed, factually proven, by his own goddamn words, all of those things above.

    I do not understand, from a rational standpoint, I do not.

    So if you please. Explain.

    • shaar dula

      #1. I din’t vote for Trump.
      #2. More important: Most people in the US voted for internal reasons. Foreign policy was not the reason. Even when they did, it was for reflective reasons, for how it would make America look rather than any leadership qualities.
      #3. Some folks voted for the wall, some for trade, some for other reasons. I don’t think anyone in the US, including Donald himself, comprehends the sum totality of his full position. Everyone voted for their own reason.
      #4. We on the left look at things logically. May be not every one does.
      #5. You cant piss of White people, just yet. Or may be ever. Every one is proud of who they are. May be use cant shame them all, and may be you shouldn’t blame them all.
      Maybe, Bill Clinton is on something when he says you need to listen to the other side. May be there is a reason why Bill Clinton had an universal appeal.
      May be we need to learn to be sensitive as to why everyone is NOT like us, and DOES NOT GET what we do?
      JMT, my 2 pennies.

      • Delu

        I wanted to know the reasons for voting because I wanted to know if America really still can vote based on rationality and reasoning for things like policy etc.

        Or if there are any other reasons that were somehow overlooked.

        I must say the answers have not exactly been inspiring where a consideration that America still DOES have rationality in their voting is concerned.

        • nightmoth

          There is a documentary that may help you called “Outfoxed.” It explains the business and editorial practices of Murdoch’s FOX News. By appealing to fear and anger, it became the highest rated news channel. CNN and other outlets took note of the rising revenues at FOX and used it as a template, becoming more sensationalistic and less accurate. Our many thousands of media outlets are now owned by only 6 corporations, all of them vying for money. This is one of the chief reasons, in my opinion, for the decline in reasoning abilities in this country.

    • nightmoth

      My working class cousin voted for him because she hated “being forced” to get health insurance. Also, although she won’t admit it, she was never really comfortable having a black man as president. Why my husband’s rural volunteer fire department voted for Trump? The things I heard were: “not fair for my taxes to be supporting single black mothers with 5 kids, Democrats want to take away my guns,” and “I always vote for whoever’s got ‘R’ by their name.” Also a lot of grumbling about Obamacare. That’s all I know.

      • Delu

        Ok, standard Trumpian reasons.

        Well they got what they wanted, I’m sure they must be really happy now.

        A pity since I wish for Trump to make them regret their vote, I’m confident he can do it by simply being Trump too.

        • wwylieiii

          Well, no…they got what they asked for but they may (very quickly) discover that getting what you asked for isn’t the same thing as getting what you wanted.

          • Delu

            I could not have said that better myself.

  • shaar dula

    There is a bit of context to Asra (solace in English, btw). And my hunch is that she voted Trump for reasons not stated in her letter. (She cant pay premiums? puhleeez she is a well connected global elite)

    She has been kicking at the shins of orthodoxy in her own community for a long time. And her life’s work is to modernize her community. And has had personal consequences because of it. It is a common experience of people who live in densely mixed communities that minorities within the more orthodox group see progress only when the other group is more bullish.

    Bottomline is, while it is foolish for anyone outside to assume that they can change a community, and commit to it (a-la Cheney and Rumsfeld), the threat of it goes a long way.

    BO was a masterclass in this. He began with teaching NPR anchors how to say pah kees thaan (and not pack-e-stan) circa 2008, and prefacing what he was about to do next with that speech in Egypt. Then he went on an excursion about-a-bad, stopped interfering in local politics and forced to free riding ME thigh slappers to face consequences ON THEIR OWN, and then, when he had a choice to do so, enabled the US to identify the right party to the ME conflict*.
    He did a lot.

    *The answer is Iran. Iran is and has been the fountainhead of enlightenment and progress in ME. The people atleast. They are an old civilization that has made contribution to sciences, and certain arts. We as a people will do well to respect that.

    • shaar dula

      Sorry for the long rant. But yes Asra is one of those foot soldiers trying to solve a problem from inside. I would cut her some slack. She is human, and has her own problems. She has her own shit to deal with.

      And yes, as frustrating as it is, that is why US elections are so consequential. While most of us are thinking about what it means to us locally, POTUS has global impact.

      I voted Hillary.

    • Delu

      Well then, what harm is there for her to come right out and say those reasons if possible?

      That each votes for his or her own interests is neither shameful nor unlawful. But a part of the Democratic process.

      So, why?

      • shaar dula

        For her the harm is mortal. She has already lost a friend.

        • Delu

          I do not comprehend.

          Losing a friend means her vote goes to Trump?

          • shaar dula

            Daniel Pearle.

        • sadboy

          We’ve all lost friends. We don’t use that to justify supporting a vicious ass like Trump. What makes her choice so much more special or enlightened than the choices we have to make?

  • Delu

    I’ve read the article and…oh wow.

    It actually REINFORCES my view that America and Americans, of any creed, political disposition, race or demographic……are LACKING in logical comprehension, general knowledge or at least a bid to research things in order to find out about them, and are driven….by FEAR!

    The article stating why she voted for Trump can be summed up as follows:

    1.) Obamacare is not benefiting her.

    Ok, I cannot fully comment on her circumstances regarding insurance largely because said circumstances were not stated, and that’s her right to not state them, but I have to wonder if she has indeed explored all the options that Obamacare gives because her statement simply states that Obamacare doesn’t work for her and never actually gives any indication that she has actually tried the system or understands it properly. The main takeaway for me that has also been mentioned by the article would be this: “If she did not think Obamacare was good enough for her, how is that a reason to vote for Trump? What has Trump promised that would, in her opinion, be better than Obamacare?”

    That was not mentioned at all, not even a bit, and it left me wondering. It is basic logic that, if one solution doesn’t work, switching it for another does not mean that the new solution would work either. Under standards of logic, it would require knowledge of both, and then a comparison of the 2 solutions to see which would better apply to the circumstance in question.

    I saw no analysis, not even on the basic level, of Trump’s policy (no mention of it in fact) nor even of Obamacare except the claim it doesn’t work for her. I saw no comparison of the 2 as a result. And hence I saw no rational reasoning behind the choice of trump with regards to insurance under Obamacare as a reason.

    That’s a lack of logical thinking and reasoning right there.

    Next:

    2.)They are not saying “radical Islam terrorism enough”.

    Putting aside the bullshit conclusion of this premise for now (yes it’s a PREMISE, not even a full reason in its own right), I actually kind of agree that Obama should not shy away from calling radical Islamic terrorism radical Islamic terrorism simply because that is what it is, a form of terrorism perpetrated on, ostensibly, a radicalized, if otherwise bastardized form of Islam.

    Just like how radical Christian Terrorism like the one enacted by Anders Behring Brievik is indeed radical Christian terrorism, a form of terrorism perpetrated on, ostensibly, a radicalized, if otherwise bastardized form of Christianity.

    And so on for ANY sort of terrorism perpetrated in the name of ANY religion or ideology perverted or otherwise. trying to call it something else makes no sense to me, a rose by any other name and all that.

    I know that there are those who might get offended by such a thing, but it’s what it IS. Perhaps we should ask them why they would be so offended.

    On the flip side however, if someone DOESN’T want to call it that, or DOES want to call it that, what is the importance of such implications? Obama does not want to say “radical Islamic terrorism”. Then what? Islam will conquer America? It still hasn’t right? So that can’t be it. On the flip side, what about if you DO call it that, you repeat that over and over like your personal mantra and beat your chest over it, kind of how Trump and the right have been doing all this time, what happens?

    Does that mean that those perpetrating such acts would be SO intimidated by this as to be cautious? Would rethink before doing any of those terror acts because SOMEONE SOMEWHERE called it “radical whatever terrorism”? Would they shy away in fear of doing such things in the name of their twisted ideology in the fear of one who would use these 3 magic words proudly without fear….

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/isis-wants-donald-trump-to-win-believe-hes-best-chance-for-apocalyptic-showdown-168880/

    …..oh, ok. Well that can’t be it now right? It’s not like using the words “radical Islamic terrorism” ever stopped the Paris attacks or the Charlie Hebdo attacks even though Trumpians have used these magic words since before those attacks? Or is it perhaps that because Obama does not use those words, they then attacked? Well no one has ever shown any cause and effect where THAT notion is concerned, least of all the Trumpians.

    …..why can this even be considered a RATIONAL reason? Someone? ANYONE? I do IMPLORE thee ENLIGHTEN US!!!!

    3.) Afraid of the Islamic takeover of America.

    Ah here it is, the bullshit conclusion of the premise above. Or at least one of them.

    She stated how Clinton accepting donations through the Clinton foundation from countries who have extremely conservative Islamic regimes like Qatar and Saudi Arabia have turned her against Clinton.

    Let’s put aside for a moment that the Clinton Foundation is a charity foundation for a second and look at the claim more carefully. So it seems like having a tie to such regimes, even one through a charity organization, though one bearing her name is the reason here.

    Can someone please tell her that America has maintained friendly and even cooperative ties with such governments all the way to before the second Bush? That Saudi Arabia and even Pakistan have been allies of America since pre 9/11? That most of the hijackers of 9/11 were Saudi nationals? That these ties have remained all the way through Obama’s term? Yeah he didn’t take money from them through a charity organization in his name, but he DID deal with them as allies as the President of the United states the same way that Trump will now have to deal with them (unless he plans to nuke them, hey that COULD happen right?).

    And speaking of Trump, this guy DEFINITELY did not do what Hillary did right? So that’s why he got her vote?

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/17/politics/donald-trump-middle-east-business-ties-clinton-lgbt/

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/exclusive-donald-trump-made-millions-saudi-government-article-1.2777211

    A simple Google search brought this up. It’s not through a charity organization, Trump had BUSINESS DEALS with Saudi Arabia where he mad millions. But that difference is important right? Well I sure didn’t see Asra make that distinction though? Is she even aware of this at all even though it can be readily found on Google? (very important point here that will be revisited later)

    And what about that possible Muslim takeover she stated that would DEFINITELY not happen under Trump because of how he would ban all the Muslims (including her I guess) from coming to America or maybe even from being in America (because the reason for said ban would not make sense if American Muslims are allowed to remain, Trump sure didn’t distinguish between the 2) (this part is somewhat facetious, I know that Trump only said he’d ban Muslims from outside America from entering America, but that claim is nonsensical when examined logically, but I’m not going to do that here).

    First of all, I don’t see any evidence given that America is under threat from being taken over by radical Islamists. But let’s assume that they are, what would be the best way for them to do so?

    Terror attacks? Nope, that simply leads them to be rejected all the more, called violent terrorists, to the point where even innocent Muslims who are NOT radical Islamists are persecuted. Indeed the easiest way to be rejected by America would be to commit a terror attack on their shores or against them in some other way (Americans seem to care less when radical Islamists are killing other Muslims in the Middle East, unfair I know, but true nonetheless).

    They don’t have the military might for a head on clash to take over the country that way either. So how else can they do it? How about by subverting the government? By inserting themselves into the political system and embedding their ideals and beliefs into the country that way? The “Obama is a secret Muslim claim by Trumpians attempts to establish this form of Islamic takeover even though Obama has never once put forward any legislation that can be considered overtly advantageous to Muslims or Islam.

    However it’s not that such things have not happened on lower levels of governance, in Indiana (and not just Indiana, a number of other states too) just earlier this year attempted a “religious discrimination law” where people and even businesses can sue each other on the grounds of “infringement of religious belief” where the grounds for suing would be “if the party suing believes that his or her religious rights have been violated”. Such a broad term that I’m sure was used by radical Islamists sleeper agents in the country to attempt to sue others into accepting their radical beliefs yes?

    Well actually it was mainly used as a measure against serving gays as it turns out and the co-authors of this bill were mostly identified as anti-gay. The bill was later withdrawn when businesses opposed it saying that this would lead to a loss of revenue as it was clearly a bill meant to support discrimination. The governor of Indiana withdrew the bill though he did try to defend himself by saying he was “only trying to do what he felt was right!”

    Not sure if this bill will be reinstated in Indiana, but it would not be by the same governor who enacted it the first time around. Because that guy is no longer governor of Indiana, he is now the current vice presidential candidate.

    He is Mike Pence, Donald Trump’s running mate.

    That’s just ONE possible example of America becoming a Theocracy, but a CHRISTIAN Theocracy not a Muslim one. Not a single person who wrote that bill was Muslim, nor did they base it on beliefs taken from the Quaran, but rather from their own religion which, surprise, is similar to radical Islamic (and even normal Islamic) beliefs about gays!

    Does Asra know all this? Did she make her choice knowing all of these things? How is it possible that the above is a rational reason for her choosing Trump over Hillary now that I’ve gone through it? Anyone want to try and explain?

    But, in conclusion, lets just assume that, on ALL the issues that Asra mentioned above, Hillary Clinton is NOT the Candidate she would want to vote for. By way of rational analysis, neither is Trump btw, and if I were stretch and concede that all of these are real reasons and that BOTH Hillary and Trump do not fit the bill where ANY of these are concerned…..what other reasons does she have when it comes to voting for a political candidate?

    Maybe the title of the article she wrote could provide some clues?

    “I’m a Muslim, a woman and an immigrant. I voted for Trump.”
    Which of these 2 (and I will not elaborate here) would have been the better candidate assuming that the above reasons are moot where both are concerned and considering the demographic she belongs to. Woman, Muslim, Immigrant, Liberal.

    Did she consider things from a demographic perspective? Apparently not as much as from the perspective of the reasons she actually gave in her article. Reasons that, as I’ve gone through are either groundless on a rational level, inexplicable on the same criteria when it came to her choice of candidates….or indicative of an irrational fear.

    Yes, fear, as mentioned in the very first paragraph of this now all too long missive. If Asra is a general example of one of those who voted for Trump AND can be considered a representative of the American general populace, Americans of this current voting population are driven by Fear as one of 3 masters (the other 2 are still speculative at this point, but I consider them to be Hate and Greed).

    Look at her other reasons besides Obamacare. The part about the Clinton Foundation receiving the donations from Saudi Arabia and Qatar was pushed relentlessly by the media and Trumpian groups, yet the part about Trump doing the same never received the same level of coverage. Same goes for the “radical Islamic terrorism” and “Islamic takeover of America” reasons, Trumpians and the media have pushed these 2 relentlessly too, throughout Obama’s tenure. While there were those who called out the bullshit behind BOTH these claims, the fear and uncertainty, which was the actual objective behind why such issues were pushed in the first place have clearly left their intended mark on the voting populace. Couple that up with a lack of logical comprehension or even a WILL to discover if such fears are groundless and you get….where America is today.

    It’s clear by the article that Asra fears a radical Islamic takeover in America, her claims about “standing up for liberal Muslims” ring hollow in the face of not only Trump’s dealings but America’s all the way back to before Bush. The fears and misgivings she has about a such a takeover and the misgivings about saying “radical Islamic terrorism” enough, all of these have been pushed by right wing outlets since Obama began his presidency and are most likely the cause for her misgivings and ultimately her decision.

    If other similar Trump voters are of the same mold then it would not be a stretch to say that perhaps the same applies to them. Of course, as shown already these fears and misgivings are groundless and irrational and do not in any way lead to a rational conclusion of Trump over Clinton. But as mentioned from the start, Americans today are far from rational. And they are most certainly fearful.

    Asra need not worry about radical Islamic groups like ISIS or Al Qaeda, they have already won. The aim of their terror attacks around the world was to make America fear and to make them ACT on that fear. Their gambit was successful as it was successful for every attack starting from 9/11. They got what they wanted from America’s people.

    They got fear, and Asra is an example of that. Possibly also the rest of the Trump voters.

    • sadboy

      To hell with Asra Nomani. She did not come to America fleeing persecution, she was brought here from India at a young age to join her family where her father was earning his PhD. She has had a lot of privileges that most Indians AND Americans will never have. And the idea that she could sell out all of the people that she has worked with and struggled with to achieve equality and fair treatment for Muslims and women over the years to elect the same kind of knuckledragging demagogue that has made virtually every county in the Middle East and South Asia into despotic hellholes just reinforces how stupid she is. That, and working for the Wall Street Journal.

      • Delu

        He concerns about radical Islamic terrorism are understandable if not overblown. I’d blame the Trumpians for that though.

        Radical Islamic terrorism IS a threat, no one has said otherwise, but not to the point where you have to elect a man that terrorists WANT for president.

    • thixotropic jerk

      I appreciate that you felt it necessary to respond in such a thorough matter but when a (non-)comment is five times as long as the original article it feels like it becomes counter-productive. But you do you.

      Shorter version of this non-comment: tl;dr

    • Sekhmet1

      Not “too long” and did read. Great analysis, thank you.

  • Ryan Denniston

    “Yes, I want equal pay. No, I reject
    Trump’s “locker room” banter, the idea of a “wall” between the United
    States and Mexico and a plan to “ban” Muslims. But I trust the United
    States and don’t buy the political hyperbole — agenda-driven identity
    politics of its own — that demonized Trump and his supporters. […]

    I’m speechless. I mean, I lived through the Nader shit in 2000, and look at the result. .I suppose all we can do is roll up our sleeves, learn this lesson again, and rebuild what the Republicans destroy over the next four years.

    • Yokie

      Or, eight years…saddest political day in my life, morning after Bush was re-elected. I was beyond despondent. We still haven’t fully recovered after that spoiled man-child’s time at the helm.

  • JaxxonArgonaut

    I read that piece, it was super weird:
    Obamacare didn’t go far enough to cover her, so she’d like to take it away from those recently covered.
    HC wasn’t offering enough change for her, so she voted to stop the car and go in the opposite direction, faster.
    Silly cow.

  • sadboy

    Thank you Robyn. I prefer out and out racists to the dimwitted dipshits who call themselves ‘pro-‘ whatever and then sell out all of the progress our nation has made by voting for guys like Trump. At least with hardcore racists, you can see the knives in front of you, instead of having them quietly slipped through your ribs from behind.

  • CarolinaStewPie

    I’ve read some idiotic bullshit before, but that idiotic bullshit is the most IDIOTIC and bullSHITTY ever. There is no excuse for these twats, and they’re going to get what they wanted. Cheeto Hitler blew up both parties AND the establishment, but now he’s got scary fucktards like McConnell and Ryan just slathering at the prospect of setting the clock back on so many progressive accomplishments. Horrible morons.

  • Lark_in_the_AM

    Preach it, Robyn. I’ve had this same “conversation” with a few people I thought were thoughtful human beings, and I’m just done. I’m printing this and handing it out to speak for me when rage closes my throat, as has happened too often these last few days. Thanks!

  • going4baroque

    disappointed HRC supporter and her son, who would probably like to take his vote back
    https://youtu.be/rDaigGsM5rU

  • laineypc

    I know you don’t THINK you’re a bigot, but when you can ignore the bigotry Trump unleashed, sweep it under the rug as though it doesn’t matter as much as economic and trade policy or whatever, the most sympathy I can manage for you is that you’re in deep denial of your own bigotry.

  • Trump is a paranoid counter-puncher, so he’ll be swinging at shadows and into a breeze. He won’t be told what to do. His unconventional campaign strategy has just reinforced his perception of his own genius. He’ll never get along with Congress. Trump leaves chaos, destruction, and ruined lives wherever he goes. His presidency will be the same with the exception that he won’t be able to hide.

  • gingerland62

    If you vote for a crazy, creepy, racist, clown for president you have to own all of it. Shame on you. I am still mortified. Jesus Christ Donald Trump is President! Therapists say we should keep saying it to make it real before inauguration. It was on the internets.

  • Old Man Yells at Cloud

    In High school, we studied Venn diagrams and the intersection of Pro-Choice, Pro-Same Sex Marriage, Non-Racist and Trump Supporters is what we would have called the “null set”.

  • Fred Freud

    Heavens to Betsy! So much profanity!
    And all that communist imagery and poser-proletariat rhetoric… this site has to be a parody. Right? I mean, NOBODY (outside of a mental ward) could actually have the world-view represented here.

    I laughed till I cried. Pure comedy gold! I’ll check in from time to time; keep the laughs coming.

    • The Librarian

      Fred Fraud.

      FIFY.

  • Jennaratrix

    I couldn’t even finish reading that article yesterday because blood started coming out of my eyes, coming out of my wherever. I want to understand Trump voters who claim they aren’t racist/sexist/uncaring, but I don’t. I just don’t. At worst, you believe and agree with everything he said and did over the course of the campaign; at best, you don’t care. Which means I don’t have to care about your motivations; I just have to work that much harder to overcome them.

    It’s war. No more bi-partisanship, no more compromise. We’re going to have to fight for the country we want, just like the far right has been doing for decades. Pretending it isn’t a fight for survival is naive.

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