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Every once in a while Dr. Jill Stein, Green nominee for president, pops up in my Twitter timeline to remind me not to vote for the “lesser evil.” (She does not pop into my timeline specifically; she is not following me around like a person more crazy than she already is; I suppose I could just stop following her, but then where would I get my daily adrenalin shot of rage?)

But this is not a story about Jill Stein, since Evan already decreed we weren’t covering her anymore. This is about “lesser evil” Hillary Clinton. But what if I don’t think Hillary Clinton is “evil” at all? What if I like her real good???

The first time I realized how Hillary Clinton is Just Like Us (except for all the parts where she is fancy and stuff) was when she wrote to thank a young woman for blogging about her — the young woman’s, that is — herpes.

Clinton thanked Ella Dawson both for helping to “decrease the stigma” surrounding sexually transmitted infections, and for not being cowed by the MRA dicks who are doing their best to get her to kill herself. It was just such a cool, sex-positive, feminists-fuck-yeah letter. “Hillary Clinton is a good person,” I thought.

We all talk about how bad Hillary Clinton is at the “be a political person” thing, but every time she writes to a young woman, I want to cry with how good it is, how real and connecting and sweet. Here she is, writing to Lilly:

hillary-letter-to-lily

And today, is the best yet: Hillary Clinton’s email interview with Marley Dias, the 11-year-old girl who started #1000blackgirlbooks. You will of course go read the whole thing yourself, but here are just a couple of my favorites.

What was the first book you ever saw yourself in?

Hi, Marley! I love this question, because I think it’s so important for all of us to be able to see ourselves represented in the books we read and the movies and TV shows we watch. That’s why I love your “Black Girl Books” project so much. I hear you have more than 4,000 titles now. That’s fantastic. I am really proud of you.

Okay, back to your question. When I was young, I really identified with Little Women by Louisa May Alcott, particularly the character of Jo. The book was written at a time when there weren’t as many options for women and girls as there are now. Jo really struggled with that. She wanted to write, to work, to help her family. And eventually she found ways to do it, and to live the life she wanted, even though it wasn’t what society expected of her. I loved that she wasn’t afraid to chart her own course. I remember reading that book and thinking, I want to be like that when I grew up.

What’s your favorite black girl book?

One of my favorite authors is Maya Angelou, and I love her book I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings. It tells the story of how Maya became such a strong, confident, determined person. Some parts are painful and hard to read, but of course that’s the case in a lot of great books. And because Maya became a friend of mine in real life, it meant a lot to be able to read her story and understand her journey better.

As a side note, Maya wrote something else I loved—a poem for Bill’s first inauguration back in 1993. It was called “On the Pulse of Morning,” and I want to share a stanza from it with you:

Do not be wedded forever

To fear, yoked eternally

To brutishness.

The horizon leans forward,

Offering you space to place new steps of change.

Isn’t that wonderful?

Their conversation goes on, and Clinton is so easy with her. She simplifies her language a bit but never condescends; she talks about things like “SHIT MAYA ANGELOU’S LIFE WAS FUCKED UP SON!” but does it in a way that expects a smart child doesn’t need to be shielded, and that painful things can have beauty and worth; she talks about some mortifying times with her hair in junior high. She tells poems to a little girl. It’s just sweet and chatty and best-grandma, the one who doesn’t talk down to you or hide the facts of life from you, but trusts you will be able to understand.

Isn’t that wonderful?

Yes. It is.

[Elle]

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  • Land Shark with a Vagenda

    Onion ninjas. That is all.

  • Spurning Beer

    You know who else was a good person?

    • calliecallie

      Some of them Mexicans?

    • Shibusa
      • Look at the expression on his face. That man is in love.

        • Shangenda of Shanocide

          *sniffle*

          • We’re sniffling together.

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            Secret confession: I would like to be able to look at someone like that in my life, ever.

          • Gayer Than Thou

            I look at plenty of people like that, but they usually get up and move to another seat at the next stop.

          • gedjcj
          • It’s a wonderful thing to have.

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            If you’re saying that because you have it and you know, then…I’m so very happy for you.

            Excuse me while I go shoo the ninjas out….

          • Gah! I’m sorry. That must have sounded really obnoxious. I do have it, but we’ve been together for 26 years (married for 22), and it’s not always that way. There have been occasions when I wanted to throw objects at his head, and I know he’s wanted to do the same to me.

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            Oh, heck! You did not sound obnoxious at all. I really AM happy for you. And apparently I’m feeling very sentimental this week…

          • OK, good. Sometimes I can be unintentionally rude and thoughtless.

            I’m also feeling sentimental lately. We’ve had a really stressful year, for several reasons, and we’re on the edge of a”wanting to throw objects” phase. I keep looking at a photo of us on our honeymoon (it’s on the refrigerator, so I see it a lot) and thinking “Why can’t it be like that all the time? Sentimentality is a powerful emotion, and it has a hotline to the Onion Ninjas, those bastards.

            I hope you’re having a good day. {{internet hugs}}

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            I AM having a good day, thank you! Everyone (with a peen) is leaving the office to go golfing again so I’ll have the place to myself for a while. Will probably also leave early because fukkit, why should I and my non-golfing vag have to stay here and work while nobody else does? I’m going home early to do some shopping with my daughter because there’s a school dance thing she wants to go to tomorrow and suddenly she wants a DRESS. O.o

            And I hope you and yours get less stressed soon. Hugs back to you!

      • Gayer Than Thou

        My god I’m going to miss them.

      • Mpeg

        If FLOTUS can look that pretty stifling a burp, she can look pretty in any situation~

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      Trix.

      • rebecca

        ME!!!!! WINNER!!!

    • Creepoman

      The Gingerbread Man?

    • Deplorable Ron

      Ebenezer Blackadder?

    • elviouslyqueer

      Most of us, Katie?

    • Fitzgerald Chesterfield

      “Most rank-and-file Nazis”
      -Stanley Milgram

    • Msgr_Pantless_Thundergoose

      Everyone but that stupid troll?

  • Jennaratrix

    She IS a good person. I ACTUALLY LIKE CARROT CAKE and am not simply choosing it because it’s cake and not a pile of shit. (You have to follow the link or this makes absolutely no sense.)

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512420776

    • Usedtobeyellerdawg

      The cake is a lie.

      • Snark Tank of Deplorables

        There is no spoon.

        • Spotts1701

          My spoon is too big!

    • mailman27

      It all depends on the cream cheese icing. Mmmm.

    • Gayer Than Thou

      Is carrot cake one of the cakes we like?

      • Arolpin

        It is certainly one of the cakes that We (royal we) like.

  • Spotts1701

    Yeah, Hillary Clinton is not as good at the soaring, lofty rhetoric of President Obama. Or the smooth, charming affability that her husband comes by. She has her own style, which is more grounded, more “lawyerly”.
    But when it comes to the one-on-one, the talking with people at street level, she’s comes across so personable and caring that it realty makes you wonder how things would be different if more could see that side of her.

    • Deplorable Ron

      With a tiny bit of luck and some hard work we should have eight years to get to see it.

      • Redgyal

        Why the avatar Ron?

        • Deplorable Ron

          That’s pony-me. I was a brony from before the word ‘brony’ was coined. Proud of it too.

          • Redgyal

            No, I meant the deplorable part. Is that supposed to be ironic?

          • Deplorable Ron

            Oh, that. Yes, it is. It’s becoming a bit of a tradition around here to temporarily change one’s nym to reflect something amusing in the news.
            Then again, my housekeeping skills are rather deplorable, so…

    • Loki1001

      Political campaigns reward people who are able to speak in lofty rhetoric and make big statements.

      They don’t reward people who do lots of little nice, compassionate things for various citizens.

      • Deplorable Ron

        Those are hard to reduce to soundbites.

        • Land Shark with a Vagenda

          And are rarely seen by most of the “journalists” covering campaigns.

    • That’s what makes this next “debate” intriguing. Hopefully, a sizeable percentage of voting America will tune in and witness Clinton connecting with the audience and individual and that she will exude the warmth and caring that is a core part of her.

  • Spotts1701

    OT: Via TPM, something to keep in mind as Matthew locks in on Florida.
    https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/772848784271220737

    • Deplorable Ron

      TRUMP is a natural disaster.

    • Thiazin Red

      Oh, realized that again he hasn’t bothered to prep and that he could get his ass kicked again?

    • calliecallie

      I hope Mar-a-lago gets taken out to sea with votes.

      • JVisconti

        Then the punchline is Donald asks for federal disaster relief dollars.

        • Deplorable Ron

          ‘Sure. Just release your taxes so we know how much you’re entitled to.’

        • AngryKatie

          I figure he’ll be doing that even if there’s no damage at all.
          Can’t let an opportunity like that pass by. Just like 9-11.

      • HogeyeGrex

        On that note, the interwebs has spawned this little charmer:
        https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuG2wvfWYAAhx0p.jpg
        Weapons grade stupid.

        • Good_Trouble_Yall

          OMG can the President control the weather, too? I’ve been looking for a reason to run for public office. I’m gonna run on the “Mainly 70s-low 80s with overnight temps in the high 50s-low 60s” platform. Our specific policy recommendations on rain amounts and snow days will be announced at a later date.

        • Msgr_Pantless_Thundergoose

          Silly. When the time comes, Drones.

        • Painter of ThatMexicanThing

          So the poll finds that 60% of people who are willing to take a poll on Heatstreet are idiots.

        • That’s a whole lot of power for someone who’s weak and ineffectual.

    • JVisconti

      And I was betting on a doctor’s note from Dr Bornstein.

      • Deplorable Ron

        Please excuse me Donald from the debate. I am He is sick.

        Signed,
        Mary ‘not Donald copying his mother’s signature’ Trump

        • Spotts1701

          P.S. Please excuse my handwriting, I busted whichever hand it is I write with.

          • kindness

            “That mangy dog tried to eat it but I grabbed it away from Pence just in time.”

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Oh, he’s found an excuse!

      • Gayer Than Thou

        I thought it was going to be in Nevada, or however you say it? Not that it would matter, of course.

        • Spotts1701

          Since the third one is in Las Vegas, he has 2 weeks to brush up on pronunciation.

          • Msgr_Pantless_Thundergoose

            It’s pronounced ‘Lost Wages’, Donnie.

        • Painter of ThatMexicanThing

          I’m sure his grasp of geography is as strong as his knowledge of everything else.

          • Seek

            Nah – He’s got this one. It’s the town with the TRUMP Hotel and Casino that doesn’t have a casino but does have labor and food handling issues.

  • Spurning Beer

    The second-worst cotton farmer in my county is a guy named Clay. He’s the lessor of two weevils.

  • ahh_2_2

    Would a good person create ISIS and have Monica Lewinsky killed? Sorry libtard try again.

    • Mason

      Well at least she keeps busy.

      • Deplorable Ron

        It’s important to stay active when you’ve passed 65.

    • SheriffRoscoe

      Don’t forget murdering people while she sleeps.

    • Loki1001

      Don’t forget she personally charged into Gadaffi’s palace, slaughtered all of his guards and then executed him with one swipe of her katana. All while dying of every disease that has ever existed on Earth and a few from neighboring galaxies.

    • Blacktop Cadence

      Was she also the second gunman on the grassy knoll? Did she fake the moon landing? Is she responsible for the Roswell cover up?

      Please, share your para — I mean wisdom.

      • Lascauxcaveman

        She borrowed Obama’s time machine and went back to shoot Archduke Franz Ferdinand. Due to a slight malfunction, she showed up 20 minutes too late for it, but put a couple extra slugs in the torso just for laffs.

        • Loki1001

          After that she took the time machine to the BBC in 1989 and canceled Doctor Who.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      Don’t forget blowing up the Twin Towers.

    • JMP

      She turned me into a newt!

      I got better.

    • (((JustPixelz)))

      Um … Monica Lewinsky is still alive. Hillary is worse at vendettas than Little Donnie.

      • Loki1001

        Well, we know she didn’t run for president out of revenge over some mean jokes at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner.

    • elviouslyqueer

      She made me gay, also too.

    • Land Shark with a Vagenda

      I heard she is the Balrog of Morgoth that cast Gandalf into the abyss.

    • mailman27

      Monica is a little pale, but that’s her complexion, right? I mean, she’s not the undead, is she?? I’m so scared…

    • rebecca

      lol the rest of you are all getting really bad at spotting wonker sarcasm styles.

      • Gayer Than Thou

        I’m seriously confused sometimes.

  • Gentle Robot

    She’s gonna lookit my gmail same as Obama did and blow up some cities that most of the residents of Redneckistan can’t pronounce. She’s gonna be basically ok with government corruption because it’s been legal forever.
    She has flaws. It’s cool, ok. Everyone does.

    • DoILookAmused2u ?

      I think you ought to probably stick to the whole Xbox gamegate crowd.

      • Land Shark with a Vagenda

        That would be an up level for him/her/it.

      • Gentle Robot

        There’s fraud in video games advertising! I mean journalism! I mean who actually takes this stuff seriously? The first “game journalism” was magazines put out by the video game companies themselves.

        • JMP

          Yeah, see, considering that GamerGate was an anti-woman hate movement dedicated to harassing feminist women involved in gaming, trying to still peddle the “ethics in gaming ‘journalism'” bullshit that no one has believed for years now kind of proves you to be another lying misogynist.

          • Gentle Robot

            Ahh, back at the lame-ass “you hate women” argument. Never criticize the president! I remember that from the Bush years.
            BTW I don’t hear you arguing. Campaign finance reform isn’t coming. Clinton’s a hawk. NSA is still probably unchecked.
            Did you read anything I wrote, or is it just not worth your time?

          • JMP

            So why were you parroting talking points from the misogynist hate group GamerGate if you don’t hate women? You’re the one who threw that crap out there to begin with. But I’m sure you don’t hate Clinton just because she doesn’t have a penis!

          • Gentle Robot

            Parroting? I was criticizing them. There’s no “corruption in video games” journalism. Reviewing video games isn’t journalism.

          • Creepoman

            That last thing.

          • Gentle Robot

            She has flaws. That means I’m not voting for her? I voted for Obama in 2012 and he had racked up his share.

          • Creepoman

            Everyone does – you just come off as someone who missed the entire gist of the article above and want to push some lazy, world-weary horseshit. Hence the torrent of abuse.

          • Gentle Robot

            I don’t contest “she’s a good person.” I said she has flaws. She’s a centrist democrat. That means what, I’m voting Johnson/Trump?
            The writer missed the gist of fair Clinton criticism because most of it is unhinged fiction.

          • Creepoman

            ” . . .for not being cowed by the MRA dicks . . .”

            So was this the part that got your panties in a wad?

        • Blacktop Cadence

          It’s nice to see you’re listening to red faced misogynists.

          • Gentle Robot

            Oh god you wouldn’t believe the amount of trolls I talked to about that shit. They would never admit to it. They’re probably still boycotting some website or some game company. They’re still on about “censorship” every couple weeks.

    • Creepoman

      Cool story bro, but seriously, nobody gives a shit about your gmail.

      • Gentle Robot

        So it should be public?
        I still give a shit about campaign finance.

        • Creepoman

          Same here, but I must have missed that part of the platform where she’s in favor of Citizen’s United. But you seem to have specifics?

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      If it’s any consolation, nobody human has looked at your emails because you probably haven’t given them a reason to. Our government is waaaaaayyyyy too cheap to have an actually effective surveillance state.

      • Gentle Robot

        Yeah I didn’t break up with some dude that worked at the NSA.

      • (((cynmac)))

        Under Trump, just imagine what he’ll try to use the NSA for. All the stuff they accuse Obama of. NSFW
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk1lQQl78pk

    • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

      So I checked out your gmail for funzies. It is boring as fuck, not even worth forwarding to Obama.

      • Gentle Robot

        Yeah no shit. Everyone’s is. Doesn’t mean “what do you have to hide” is an argument against privacy.

        • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

          DING DING DING!

    • Loki1001

      She’s gonna lookit my gmail same as Obama did

      You should be excited about that. Hillary is going to personally cancel any old pornography subscriptions she knows you don’t use any more. That’s the kind detail-focused tactics she will use for her surveillance state.

      • Gentle Robot

        Who pays for porn?

        • Loki1001

          So what you want is government subsidized pornography?

        • Shangenda of Shanocide

          Depends on what you mean by “pay” I guess. I’m still “paying” for that time I left my smartphone connected to my Bluetooth speaker…

        • Mormons, apparently.

      • Thiazin Red

        If she can block the mail order brides websites even better.

        • Gentle Robot

          See now this is something I can get behind. What’s Clinton’s position on dick enlargement spam?

          • kindness

            Isn’t that a question more properly put to Trump?

          • Gentle Robot

            I’d assume he’s the kind of scam artist sending it

          • Thiazin Red

            I do find some of them entertaining, like when they find a really creative way around the spam filters.

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            I never get those.

        • Loki1001

          Oh, Hillary already knows what advertising you find annoying, and when she is elected president you will only get targeted ads that don’t have animation or make noise and won’t slow your browser down on your cell phone.

          • Thiazin Red

            Yes! Now I’m even more excited to vote for her!

          • Loki1001

            She even knows where every crack is on any touch screen device and personally recodes every program to work around them.

  • Thiazin Red

    Yes, I’ve thought this for a long time. There are so many stories like that out there, of people that Clinton has been kind to. Its terrible that so many people only see the caricature created by decades of slander.

    As a contrast, in all of the speeches, appearances, or at the convention, did even one person have a single similar story about Trump? A specific personal story of him being kind, or generous, or really taking the time to listen to them? Its telling that not even his family do.

    • Loki1001

      No. Only lots of stories about how he much he likes the boobs of women on the Apprentice.

      • Thiazin Red

        Or how much he like to compare their boobs to his daughter’s.

        • Loki1001

          Well, she is a Trump with boobs, so what is a narcissist supposed to do?

    • kindness

      The Donald’s exes all love their alimony checks. That must mean something.

      • Loki1001

        Well we know Ivanna Trump had sex with him at least three times. She deserves every penny she got and then some.

        • Rags

          Turkey baster libelz!!

    • (((cynmac)))

      There was one guy on a story I read about this criminal that Trump had running the Trump Tower for ten years where one of the abused employee had something good to say. He said Trump would pass down used clothes and Gucci shoes. No lie. I’m not making it up.

    • Msgr_Pantless_Thundergoose

      Even his own kids (the ones he acknowledges) didn’t have any anecdotes. Tells you a lot right there.

      • Thiazin Red

        They talk about him like someone else would talk about a business associate they don’t know very well.

    • Good_Trouble_Yall

      The only stories Trumplethinskin tells, or likes, are stories about money. Him making money, NATO allies sending us more money, us not spending our money defending other countries, moneymoneymoneymoneymoney. If it can’t be carried in your wallet or stored in a giant vault, it’s not important. If he could campaign naked in a bathtub full of gold coins, he would.

  • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

    I’ve found that one thinks, really thinks, about the reasons people don’t like her politically or personally, most of them turn out to be bullshit.

    • DoILookAmused2u ?

      Except Bullshit can be a useful fertilizer.

    • JMP

      Or turn out to be “because she doesn’t have a penis”.

      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        The paradox of people who think like that, is that they’d never be self-aware enough to realize that.

      • Thiazin Red

        There is a sadly large number of people who really hate it when a woman is openly ambitious, and not ashamed to take credit for her work.

    • Swampgas_Man

      Most of the anti-Hill stuff I see is, “Because she’s a damn Democrat!” One or two try that line from Timothy, “A woman shall not rule over a man, let her be silent.” Funny thing, usually it’s Republican women who quote that line.

    • You don’t need to think that hard, either. Usually, I ask people what she’s done and point out that the FBI declined to prosecute and Trey Fucking Gowdy couldn’t make a case, so what is it exactly? Usually they got nothing.

  • Dr.Zoidberg

    Thank you. In a just world Hillary would be so far ahead of Trump he couldn’t even see her.

    • timpundit

      In a just world we couldn’t see him.

      • Land Shark with a Vagenda

        In a just world, he would be the nasty building super living in the basement because he can’t pay the rent.

    • TJ Barke

      In a just world we’d live in the most ideal fantasies thunk up by the most utopian anarchists.

  • Land Shark with a Vagenda

    Wow. Troll brigade arrives early ….

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Really? Where?

    • JMP

      So far I just see one here; though there are a ton down under the Jill Stein piece.

      • Land Shark with a Vagenda

        Stein Trolls? I can’t even …

        • JMP

          The show up every time there’s an article about the wannabe spoiler, usually with accounts that are either private or have only made a handful of comments ever.

          • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

            Google alerts! Oh god someone mentioned me?! Quick get the bots!

      • Deplorable Ron

        Pass. The T-3s are kicking in and I’m just too damned mellow for trolls.

  • Zyxomma

    Yes. Yes, it is.

  • Taco Treg
    • Steven

      Goddamn you for making me cry :D

    • Land Shark with a Vagenda

      Geez! MORE ninjas!

      • Taco Treg

        I know. This gets me every time.

        • Gayer Than Thou

          You with the onion nipples! Now I’m crying at work, and not because of my co-workers (for once).

          • Taco Treg

            Your humanity is showing :D

          • Msgr_Pantless_Thundergoose

            I’m having mine removed. Humanitectomy. Makes things much tidier.

    • Astraea

      Wait, no doom and gloom or winning by making other people feel small? HOW LIBERAL.

      • YoBunnyBunny

        I thought us libtards were supposed to respond by throat cramming some poor innocent Christian baker or pizza maker???? Hillary isn’t doing it right obviously

        • Gayer Than Thou

          Sigh. She’s probably gonna fuck up the FEMA camps and gun confiscation too.

  • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

    Newsflash Fuckwads! Hillz is also a good person!

    https://youtu.be/O4hh1YhDfbA

    • kindness

      Is that show even funny?

      • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

        I think so, I’ve watched the 1st season. It seems to have a following.

      • Thiazin Red

        I like it a lot, but I would be the first to say its not for everyone. If you like the videos of the songs on You Tube then you would probably like it, if not then no.

      • Loki1001

        It is really, really good.

  • calliecallie

    Looking forward to 8 years under HRC of growth, prosperity and social justice.

  • orygoon

    I got beat up pretty bad here at Wonkette in 2008 for being pro-Hillary and dropped out for some time, so this is delicious. I love Hillary. I love books and have since I was 5 or so. I love what Marley did with the blackgirlbooks. I love Jo March, too.

    Let’s get this thing done.

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    I’ve never understood the “I don’t want to vote for the lesser evil”–Yes, actually, you do, because that means LESS EVIL.

    • Gayer Than Thou

      I think it means “they’re all rotten, so don’t vote at all, or vote for me, Jill Stein, which will be like casting a ballot at random, and that’ll show ’em.”

    • Thiazin Red

      I’m okay with it because I’m a fucking adult and not a toddler. Sure it would be great if every time there was a perfect candidate that exactly matched my views for me to vote for, but that isn’t the case most of the time. So instead of throwing a piss baby tantrum, I choose the one who I think is better.

  • (((cynmac)))

    OT – but more good news – Damian Marley is turning a California prison that has been closed into a pot farm.
    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/bob-marleys-son-damian-is-transforming-a-california-prison-into-a-pot-farm/

    • Deplorable Ron

      There’s so much irony in that it’s affecting my compass.

      • (((cynmac)))

        That’s mentioned in the article.

    • anon_the_great

      Gary Johnson moves in.

    • JVisconti

      Graybar Kush sounds good to me.

  • (((JustPixelz)))

    For all the talk of how Hillary is dishonest and “crooked” and a liar, I can’t think of a SINGLE instance when she said something people normally consider lying. The liar myth — like the “Obama apology tour” myth — is manufactured for low-information voters who, if they try at all, believe the first google hit (“newsmax”) rather than look for a reliable, curated, credible source.

    • Blacktop Cadence

      The scary thing is it filtered into the mainstream. I usually tussle with the old man good naturedly on politics, and while he’s voting for her, he’s convinced she’s “corrupt.” But, at this point, he’s joined the cynics in the “they’re all corrupt” brigade.

      I swear, the belief in representative democracy is at a dangerous low.

    • Loki1001

      There was a survey done where people thought she was corrupt, but couldn’t didn’t actually know anything she might have done that was corrupt.

      Which is just proof if you attack someone for 30 years, eventually that negativity is going to stick.

      • Creepoman

        And unfortunately, we have an entire generation of youngs that know nothing else, and accept it as surely as the sun rises in the east (it does rise in the east, right?).

  • Swampgas_Man

    She speaks in a lawyerly fashion, like her husband. For people who can’t parse a sentence in a college book, this translates to “Why don’t she speak regular English, like Donnie?”

    • Land Shark with a Vagenda

      Which translates to “Hillary doesn’t speak dumbass.”

    • elviouslyqueer

      Obvs Hillary hasn’t mastered the “actual correct English to wingnut arglebargle” translator quite yet.

    • Blacktop Cadence

      You know, this is actually a problem a lot of educated people have. I have most of a masters in history and now my teaching license for 9th through 12th grade, and I had more of a difficult time disseminating history for freshman than juniors. It took almost the entire semester, day in and day out, to feel like I finally got a handle on it.

      If anything, this has made me a lot more sympathetic for her. At least my kids thought I was fun. Wingunts just hate her “’cause she talks smart.”

      • Spotts1701

        Yeah, I would agree. Especially when you travel with and mostly talk to other educated people.

      • Thiazin Red

        I recently had to write a couple of blog posts about my work for some science sites. It was really a challenge to try to make the language accessible for a totally lay audience, but also not sound like I was insulting them by taking it down too much.

      • elviouslyqueer

        Wingunts just hate her “’cause she talks smart.”

        And because she lacks a penis.

    • Thiazin Red

      That reminds me of an actual thing I overheard during the Bush/Kerry race, people didn’t like that Kerry used the word milieu. Too fancy and foreign sounding.

      • Good_Trouble_Yall

        Well, it’s also got more letters than you say out loud, unlike, for instance, “chicken nuggets” or most racial slurs. That’s a problem for the typical Republican base voter.

      • Swampgas_Man

        “He looks/sounds French.”

    • kdl

      Donnie’s manner of speaking is so strange. I can’t ever understand him. To be fair, I am a lawyer, but still. He sounds like a cast member of Jersey Shore, but dumber.

      • (((cynmac)))

        Snookie AND JWoww Libelz!!!!11

        • tehbaddr

          Umm you forgot “The Situation” whatever the fuck his name is.

          • (((cynmac)))

            You never go Full Retard.

      • Raan

        He sounds like a stereotype of a used car salesman.In fact, here in West Central Florida there’s a radio ad for a car dealership where the guy has the same kind of cadence and mannerisms as Trump, and it makes me change the station the instant I hear his voice.

  • PupperNutter

    Badass grandma Hillz is best Hillz.

    • Creepoman

      I’m really looking forward to DGAF Hillz. It’s been a good look on Bamz for the past year or two.

      • Shangenda of Shanocide

        You mean when she grows her hair out and starts wearing paisley muu-muus? FUCK YEAH!

        • I cannot wait for that to happen. And she’d better be wearing her glasses on a chain, if she doesn’t already.

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            I also expect to see a lot of purple.

          • If nothing else, a purple hat.

      • (((cynmac)))

        I’m hoping we see that from Day 1.

    • Msgr_Pantless_Thundergoose

      IDK. No-fucks-left Hillz at the end of eight years, when she grabs all the guns — FINALLY, dognabbit!! — is my fave Hillz.
      EDIT: I need to read the person just below me moar.

      • Thiazin Red

        Considering how much I’m enjoying DGAF Obama, that is something to look forward to.

    • tehbaddr
      • The DeplorableDemmeVagenda

        Love the studs on the headband!

        • tehbaddr

          Well they didn’t have scrunchies back then, just those awful clips, or HEADBAND!

  • AngryKatie

    I think part of the reason she’s so lousy at the politicking part of being a politician is that she is a good person.

    Often the best politicians say whatever shit they need to say in the moment, whether they mean it or not. They fake emotions they don’t have. They offer jeremiads and platitudes because they don’t actually give a shit about what they’re talking about.

    Good people have a hard time doing all of that.

    • DoILookAmused2u ?

      Details person. Wonky == not a natural bullshitter.

      • Loki1001

        If Hillary lied as much as Mike Pence did, she would be engulfed in a fireball by the media for at least two more decades.

        I don’t think she even could lie with the abandon Pence did. At best she speaks in long misleading paragraphs to get around subjects she doesn’t want to discuss. She never just outright lies.

        • DoILookAmused2u ?

          Or… to just try to answer them. See, that’s the thing about details people.

          Bullshitter: what’s wrong?

          Details person: Well, I’m not sure, but I thought it was a network issue, but then there’s nothing in the system logs I would expect to see if that were the case, so now I am starting to think that maybe the last update patch introduced some kind of memory leak, but….

          Bullshitter: so the last update broke it?

          Details person: no, I am not saying that. Maybe. I don’t know yet.

          Bullshitter: Give me a straight answer.

        • Kavefish

          And that weird little trick I’ve seen her do where she apologizes for mistakes, takes responsibility for her actions and learns to do it a different and better way the next time.

  • JVisconti

    How long before Ivanka wakes up and changes her name Ivankary.

    • Toomush_Infer

      Or Ichelle….

      • Gayer Than Thou

        Or Ivelania. Maybe not.

  • Redgyal

    I agree. The more I hear about her the more I like her.

  • peteywheats

    Center-left to Center-right.

    • jmk

      11th most liberal senator when she was there.

      So… neither center-left nor center-right. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/3/31/1374629/-Hillary-Clinton-Was-the-11th-Most-Liberal-Member-of-the-Senate

      • peteywheats

        Her own (secretly recorded) words.

        • rebecca

          yes, the commenters here are aware. they read A LOT.

          we’re sorry to have disappointed you or whatever.

    • zerosumgame0005

      and that is evil how?

      • peteywheats

        Not evil, It’s just that this used to be a site for liberals, not centrist corporatist neocons.

        • Good_Trouble_Yall

          WTF, dude? Can you read?

          • peteywheats

            Yeah, the problem is I can also see, hear and think.

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            You might want to cover your delicate eyes soon. This is the part of the day where we take our pants off and start in on the recreational chemicals.

          • Toomush_Infer

            HA! Like we ever had our pants on!…

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            Well, I’m at work still, so…

          • Toomush_Infer

            No excuses, now!…

          • ryp

            Wow, a triple threat. You should start a blog or something.

        • Gayer Than Thou

          Wait, what? I thought this is a site for sharing recipes, parenting tips, and porn. Am I in the wrong place?

          • zerosumgame0005

            according to Ms Holier then Thou we all should only obey her ORDERS!

          • Gayer Than Thou

            I do not recognize that person as a member of the Than Thou family. Maybe they’re from the Oyster Bay branch of the family.

          • zerosumgame0005

            my apologies!

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            I am really disappointed with the porn.

          • Toomush_Infer

            How about the cakes?…

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            I’m not that fond of cake. That’s why I keep looking for the porn.

          • The DeplorableDemmeVagenda

            Hey!
            I thought this was a Mommy blog!

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            What, Mommy can’t have porn, too?

          • (((cynmac)))

            Dick Jokes. Don’t forget Dick Jokes.

        • zerosumgame0005

          who the FUCK anointed you the fucking gateway to who can post here?

        • Toomush_Infer

          Sorry. You mean I’ve been going to the wrong site for the past 10 years?…

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            you made me lolsnort

        • ryp

          I’m pretty sure it’s always been for leftist corporatist neolibs.

        • Gayer Than Thou

          Coincidentally, Centrist Corporatist Neocons is the name of my bowling team.

          • Amy!

            Definitely a better bowling team-name than a band-name.

    • Astraea

      Which is representative of the country as a whole. That’s supposed to be what happens in a democracy.

      • peteywheats

        Or, a stagnant, violent, dying, plutocracy.

        • Astraea

          lol sure, you go with that.

          • peteywheats

            We’re all going with that, evidently.

  • Villago Delenda Est

    One of the reasons for my nym is how the Village has treated Hillary Clinton, who is evil because she embodies actual Christianity as envisioned by Jesus, not the hucksters who came after him.

    • Msgr_Pantless_Thundergoose

      I would have gone for “It takes a village”, which as an expression is the gist of progressivism, IMHO.

      • Astraea

        Remember when that made her a dirty commie hippie?

        • Shangenda of Shanocide

          This dirty commie hippie still loves it.

  • Loki1001

    I hear it all the time from right-wingers that the country can’t survive four years of Hillary. No one has ever been able to articulate why that would be true.

    (Unlike, for example, how Trump might start a nuclear war).

    • Pickle Truther (AntiDerpomeme)

      Just like the country couldn’t possibly weather four years of Obama, and then another four years of Obama. Poor country is a smoldering heap these days.

  • disqus_lWwzrwNaw6

    Yeah, she’s great. Smart–smarter than her husband, if not as effective at retail politics–compassionate, committed, hard-working, tough.

    Not perfect, yeah, but then I’m not voting for Best Friend: I’m voting for president.

    A lot of the “lesser of two evils” stuff is straight out of the right wing’s gleaming and well-funded rat-fuck laboratory, where they discovered years and years ago that if you can persuade a whole lot of people that “both sides do it” so “there’s no point in voting, because they’re all just the same,” the Republican candidate will win, every, every time.

    Cynicism, especially the artfully manufactured Frank Luntz/Karl Rove variety, kills Democratic turnout and boosts Republican chances. This is not a coincidence.

    The tactic is particularly effective with younger voters, who would largely vote Democratic if they bothered to vote, and who are thus the target of a whole lot of Republican dirty ops.

    Young voters tend to combine idealism (i.e., wanting amazing, spectacular, unequivocal results in a world where political reality includes pretty much none of those things) with a longing to appear sophisticated.

    Both these qualities make them especially vulnerable to any critique that suggests a candidate is centrist and calculating. And it really leaves them wide open to any appeal to “cool,” to the kind of manufactured dissonant cynicism that insists both sides are just the same, both sides are equally bad, and anybody who gets excited about this stuff is just another SJW.

    If it weren’t tragic, it would be almost funny how easy it is to manipulate a person who wants the whole world to understand they’re way too savvy and shrewd to be manipulated.

    • Gayer Than Thou

      In other news, I will soon be opening an underground pet store called “Rat Fuck Laboratory.” Expect a lot of … rodent hybrids.

      • Shangenda of Shanocide

        Or dead rodents.

      • disqus_lWwzrwNaw6

        This could be a big money-maker! I see “franchise” written all over it. Maybe even a hit show on reality TV.

        • (((cynmac)))

          Already been done. There was an episode of Hoarders where the guy had rats and lots of them. Ewwww.

          • rachelmap

            What on earth was he going to do with all those rats he’d saved up?

          • Gayer Than Thou

            You never know when you might need one.

          • (((cynmac)))

            They had invaded his space and were eating his walls. It was nasty.

      • AngryKatie

        Store motto: that’s really not how I expected that to go

      • Toomush_Infer

        My kid’s hamster got loose, and got into the walls in our farmhouse. Afterwards, there were a lot of fuzzy, mouselike beings in our house…

    • AJ Milne

      This. Very. Much. This.

      (Props especially for ‘artfully manufactured cynicism’)

  • Pinkham’s Law

    That’s a very nice way to close out the Wonkette broadcast day. Thank you, Rebecca.

  • Gayer Than Thou

    THANK YOU! Oh em gee. Hillary is not “lesser.” If anything, because she is so great, she is the greater evil. Wait…
    .
    But seriously: I am so fucking sick of how she gets run down, constantly and everywhere, even in articles whose thesis is Why Trump Is Absolutely The Greater Evil.

    • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

      I especially love the passive aggressive compliments towards her. It’s annoying in real life and annoying on the internet.

      • Good_Trouble_Yall

        Yes – akin to someone telling you they love that you changed your hair.

    • Astraea

      “Flawed” is now the required word to keep off the Hillary cooties.

      • Painter of ThatMexicanThing

        Let he who is not flawed cast the first tweet.

    • Msgr_Pantless_Thundergoose

      The woman’s been swiftboated since long before there was swiftboating.

  • Bill Slider

    Good to know, as long as feel good stories don’t squash the number of disk jokes.

    • AJ Milne

      Who’s General Failure, and why is he reading my disk?

      • Bad Tom

        I am afraid every time I hear about the dreaded Blue Screen of Death.

        It’s dreaded.

    • Msgr_Pantless_Thundergoose

      Hard disk or floppy?

      • Bad Tom

        Hard drives are definitely better.

        • Kavefish

          It’s not really the drive but the RAM that counts.

      • phoenix00

        USB. Universal. Serial. Bus.

  • EvidenceBasedPolicy

    I’m crying

  • Cheesus Crust

    Jill Stein ought not start discussing “lesser” things, lest we decide to start recounting the ways in which Stein is “lesser”.

    Also, too – I luvz me some Hillary Clinton.. what an awesome human being.

    • phoenix00

      lesser votes, lesser brains, lesser intellect, lesser experience?

  • Shangenda of Shanocide

    Thank you, from one Happily-Voting-for-Hillary Voter to another!

    Cheers!

  • JHan

    You know, it was the hillary hate that made me take a second look at her, cuz I didn’t much like her before, my view of her was really lukewarm..

    So good job haters, you turned me into a HillaryRadical.

  • Astraea

    I’ve liked Hillz for a long time and it always makes me happy when other people share that they’ve found that she is not actually an evil person!

    http://45.media.tumblr.com/1f09a9e26a79d92aea2c2805d6438556/tumblr_nuh7kzcC971rgddu0o1_400.gif

    • tehbaddr

      But, but, but murder BENGHAZI!!!!11111!1!!!!!1!!!!

    • The DeplorableDemmeVagenda

      Yes.
      I think that the way she has persisted in the face of so much criticism shows how committed and driven she is to “getting the job done.”
      And how she has remained so cheerful and optimistic while facing so much out and out hatred is something I’ll never understand.

  • Painter of ThatMexicanThing

    Hillary’s heartfelt responses to people vs. Donald Trump’s rage tweets. Compare and contrast:

    • Ezio

      Her response to Orlando vs Donald Trump giving himself a pat on the back also too.

      • Blackest Noobs

        like i wonder if his spin doctors are saying “dude…seriously…fucking enough with the self-congratulating..every time you do that…you drop in the polls.”

        Orangey’s reply- “polls?!? they’re rigged…i got yooge crowds….i am gonna win by being me…it’s how i win….i am winning”

        • jmk

          My persistent troll (still following me around like a puppy from the “Hair Expert Matt Drudge Knows Hillary Clinton Is Super Jealous Of Trump’s Luxurious Mane” thread from August) is citing Drumpflethinskin’s yooooge, luxurious crowds and repeating the silliness that Hillary can’t get 200 people to show up at her events.

          I think they really believe that’s true.

          • Good_Trouble_Yall

            Even if – and it’s a huge if, given that the scampaign has posted pictures of football stadiums and claimed they’re of Fanta Hitler rallies – his rallies were yooooge, they’re full of people who aren’t going to vote for him. Some of them are too young to vote, and a lot of them are from a branch of the tinfoil-hat brigade who think if you register to vote the government can “find” you. Also too, jury duty.

          • Blackest Noobs

            but it happened to Mittens too….and you think..shit haven’t we been here before…and then some asshole ques up that Styx song…and it’s all over after that….

  • JVisconti
    • rebecca

      oh that poor little thing.

      • JVisconti

        Wearing a tiara and sash never ends well for those in his company.

      • Spurning Beer

        All I see is a lovely, frightened young girl who could stand to lose a few pounds and not eat every goddamned thing in sight.

        • Shangenda of Shanocide

          Whaat?! Lose a few pounds? She looks perfect!

          • (((parkii)))

            She can’t be a 10 though, too flat chested.

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            Ewww…..

        • Mehmeisterjr

          Too much melanin, also, too.

    • tehbaddr

      That is wrong on so many levels. She’s terrified!

      • Gayer Than Thou

        She is seriously re-thinking her decision to enter the Little Miss Upstate New York pageant (or wherever she’s from – Googling “frightened pageant winner Trump” returns way too many hits).

        • (((parkii)))

          Little Miss Flint (Michigan). :)

          • Gayer Than Thou

            Gawd – hasn’t she suffered enough, just being from Flint? And thanks!

    • Painter of ThatMexicanThing

      Animals and children are much better at sensing evil than half the voters in this country.

      • Msgr_Pantless_Thundergoose

        “Never work with animals or children.” W.C. Fields, forever.

    • Ezio
      • Blackest Noobs

        Eagles Know….

      • Kiri the Unicorn

        Go for the eyes!

      • JVisconti

        The bird took a liking to his hair as decor for its nest remodel

      • Bub the Leftwing Zombie

        Funny thing is, that is the most human and relatable he’s ever looked.

      • Taco Treg

        I’m surprised he didn’t run out of the room screaming.

      • GHERKINS OF TRUTH!

        The more I watch that, the more I’m convinced he’s sliding out of the frame on a jet of liquid shit.

      • Sean McLaren

        Seems like there may be some kind of subtle metaphor there….

    • jmk
    • Markuserektus
  • Painter of ThatMexicanThing

    When I was a girl my favorite book was The Black Stallion, because I wanted to be a horse. I’ve never given up on my dream, but since I’m now in my 60’s and have yet to grow a tail or hooves, I’ve had to settle for giving my granddaughters horsey-back rides around the yard.

  • Msgr_Pantless_Thundergoose

    Curse that evil Hillary and her onion ninja minions!

    • (((parkii)))

      I’m not crying, YOU’RE crying!

    • Bec Jenn

      Was waiting for the person who said they cried. I read the reference article and, yup, the onion zest must be in the air.

  • Ezio

    I was supporting Bernie Sanders the whole election but I’d sooner vote for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. And trying to convince an actual progressive Bernie Supporter to vote Trump and Pence is like asking a vegan to eat a steak.

    • Toomush_Infer

      (You know you want to….)

      • Ezio

        Want to what?

  • Tovarish Z

    I’ve liked Hillary for a long time, really enjoyed the article.

  • Clyde Barrow

    That’s an adorable picture of Hillary with that little girl, but Foxsnooze or Alex Jones is bound to ask who was responsible for the photoshopped editing out of Hillary’s Borg implants.

    Resistance if futile.

  • TheGrandWaz00

    I don’t care how good a person she is, I hope she puts a filthy beating on Trump.

  • I tell everyone who says “lesser of two evils” that I am loudly and proudly voting for Hillary because she is going to be a phenomenal president. You heard me: phenomenal. Not just good. Not just better than most. Phenomenal. And it’s because of the types of things you write about here.

    • I also believe that it’s true that people hate her when she is running for things (because the f*ck-nozzles in the right-wing media have been throwing shade at her for more than 30 years), but once she HAS a job, people love her. Same will be true in THIS job.

      • Serai 1

        Good point. They seem to hate the IDEA of her rather than the reality.

        • stormkite

          Let’s face it. They support The Donald. They don’t do reality.

    • Gayer Than Thou

      I CAN’T WAIT to vote for her. I am so excited to vote for her. I have no feeling of wanting to hold my nose or whatever.

      • Raan

        I just got my mail-in ballot yesterday, and the only reason it isn’t back at the elections office is because I don’t know anything about the down-ballot races. I don’t need to see her…eviscerate Trump in two more debates to know I’m voting for her.

        • Good_Trouble_Yall

          I recently moved (not so recently that I didn’t get my ass down to the proper government office and change my registration) and I don’t really have a clue who any of these people running here are, so this time I’m going to vote “straight D” ticket. I’ll figure it out by next time around!

          • Raan

            I’ve had good results with Ballotpedia. I would go straight party-line, but there are a bunch of state and district judges, school board, city commission, constitutional and county charter amendments, and a referendum.

            https://ballotpedia.org/Main_Page

        • Serai 1

          Yeah, the debates are just icing on the cake at this point. VERY VERY DELICIOUS ICING.

      • Bub the Leftwing Zombie

        I wish could vote for her. Anyone want to help a Canuckistanian commit a little bit of harmless voter fraud?*

        But seriously, I had to settle for voting for this guy…

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d52805e0240a9add1d33edc5ead4f386aff16f19cdd0c691af7d355c8281a4c1.jpg

        *The above statement is meant as a joke. I have an implicit respect for the sanctity of the U.S. electoral system, and would never seek to subvert it, if anyone was watching.

        • Gayer Than Thou

          I loooooove Obama, and I plan to love Hillary too, but neither of them, to my knowledge, has ever cuddled panda cubs, so I think you definitely win.

        • Painter of ThatMexicanThing

          This is the first time I’ve ever fantasized about being a panda.

      • Serai 1

        I am so fucking stoked. I’ve been waiting my whole LIFE for this.

    • (((parkii)))

      Me too, I am so sick of people casually tossing that phrase around, because there isn’t anything evil about her at all. I tell fellow Olds who irrationally dislike her that they’ll be JUST FINE under President Clinton, just like they were the first time around.

      • ahughes798

        It’ll just be OBama’s 3rd and 4th terms. Everything will be fine.

      • Serai 1

        It’s like the whole “flawed” thing. YEAH SO WHAT. Everyone is flawed, FFS. There hasn’t been a candidate in the history of the country who wasn’t flawed. It’s just such a bullshit word to throw in there, as if it were possible to have a candidate who was NOT flawed. ARGH

  • moebym

    That photo is more adorable than a basket of kittens.

  • WeaselPoo

    That’s all very sweet and all, but it sounds like she over-researched and over referenced her letter.
    Also she needs to smiley face more.
    And why couldn’t she quote the whole poem–has her well-known diptheria developed into full blown Alzheimers?
    She also uses too many whole sentences, it makes her look calculating, whilst her choice of font comes across as screechy.
    I’d advise to try and address all the above, plus be a bit more evil. if she really wants to rig this election convincingly.

    • jmk

      Also, the paper is the wrong color and something something pantsuits.

      • Rick Hill

        The folds are too precise to have been made by someone with good intentions

      • King Beauregard

        Plus, Hillary really ought to shed a few pounds, maybe consider a boob job.

        • jmk

          No longer a ten… sad.

    • Good_Trouble_Yall

      Comic sans?

    • Painter of ThatMexicanThing

      Moar “i’s” dotted with hearts, also too.

  • Jeffocaster in the desert

    People, anti-Hillary people (an oxymoron), hate her for one reason. She is a woman. Even anti-Hillary women hate her because she is a woman. There is no other reason. And they hate Obama because he is black. No other reason.

    • Astraea

      I’m not a fan of a lot of our foreign policy as a country, but the complete and utter freak out that Hillary in particular will have control over the military does not seem like it’s always an honest critique of our foreign policy.

      • Jeffocaster in the desert

        ‘Cause she is a woman.

        • John D. Wiser

          So is Madeleine Albright a woman, so what? Maybe the majority of deplorables couldn’t reach the keyboard in her day. Or were just gleams in some 20th C. deplorables’ eyes.

          • ahughes798

            I recall the name Janet Reno, also too.

          • Serai 1

            Madeleine Albright was not elected President.

          • John D. Wiser

            Neither has Hillary Clinton…yet. If prayer and fasting will help, I’m on it. ,

          • Jeffocaster in the desert

            I think the hate of her now is almost solely because she is a woman. You can be Secretary of State, but don’t fucking aspire to be President. That is for old white guys.

    • mancityfooty

      I won’t say all the detractors hate Obama just because he is black. Some, maybe a lot, maybe a majority, but not all.
      8 years of Bush and all they wanted was another (R) in the white house. But a (D) was voted in. That’s why a lot of those people don’t like him.
      If all the people were as racist as that, I would genuinely fear and weep for my country.

      • The DeplorableDemmeVagenda

        This is why the margin of Hillary’s victory is important.

        • mancityfooty

          yes. separate the wheat from the chaff

    • JerryRich

      As a schoolboy, I admired the smart girls for being smart, while still finding them somewhat annoying.

  • Count Awesome

    Hillary is just pandering to her base. Trump can do that too with lies at his rallies and hate filled Twitter diatribea that can be happen at any moment.

  • History only moves in one direction, and it’s towards love and human rights. Progressives ALWAYS win, in the long run.

    • Good_Trouble_Yall

      This is a cold, hard, mean little world – anything that encourages love is a thing we should do. Vote Hillary!

    • Toomush_Infer

      What a nice thought. I wish it were true….(ask the Aztecs)….

      • Serai 1

        Ask the Mayans rather. The Aztecs were the reason they let Cortez in, they needed the help so bad.

    • tehbaddr

      You don’t sound right to me! Get ’em up against the wall!

  • JVisconti

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d6f4dff39fde1ee1702f847b15bcd9095e8fd444f54d02bff8cee8e58f2600f8.png
    OT: Things are going not so bigly when the state treasurer gets better billing.

    • Jeffocaster in the desert

      Yeah, Trump’s gonna be here, but we don’t care and send your questions to him. We are not interested.

      • Count Awesome

        So I should I send the crate of vibrators, dildos, and buttplugs to where the questions are to be sent?

    • The DeplorableDemmeVagenda

      Oh, the fall (fail?) is going to be glorious!

    • TheGrandWaz00

      Item 1 on the agenda: Making Hillary a one term President.

      • mancityfooty

        well, it worked before

  • The only criticism I have for Obama is, he never kicks anybody’s ass. I know, I know, he couldn’t be “the angry black man,” or he never would have won. His Hawaii upbringing makes him eternally mellow.
    Hillary’s not like that. She’s gonna rough some people up. She’s gonna hurt some people who bigly need to be hurted.
    I can’t wait. :-)

    • Astraea

      Years of Republican obstructionism have left a lot of Dems with no fucks to give. Finally.

    • Good_Trouble_Yall

      If we can give the Dems the Senate, that would help her bigly, also too.
      O/T my computer no longer questions “bigly” or “also too” LOL!

  • PimentacoTX

    I wonder if they’ll be a spike in baby girls being named hillary and baby boys being named clinton.

    • Daisy

      I actually really like the name Hillary anyway, so I’d be down to give that name to a girl.

      • jowgajen

        There’s gonna be a lot of them.

    • therblig

      and gym socks named melania

    • ahughes798

      Clinton Kelly was the first one, LOL!

    • Serai 1

      Here’s David Trumble’s portrait of Hillary after running her through a Disney Princess filter:

      http://www.womenyoushouldknow.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/2-HILARY-CLINTON-PRINCESS-e1383160265589.jpg

      I want to print this out for my niece to hang on her wall, as she’s in the princess stage these days.

  • jen

    Awwwww, nice. I’ve loved Hillary since Bill ran in 1992 and they shit on her for working. Since I was working, I took offense. Big fan ever since.

    • ahughes798

      She said, in an interview either pre or post election of Bill, one little thing that turned the public on her like a pack of rabid dogs. Something about not hanging around the house and baking cookies all day. That’s when all this shit about her started, and it was a really dumb thing to say.

      • mancityfooty

        yep, her being a “modern woman” and all of that.
        they expected her to pick out the drapes and the carpet and that would be all. not inject herself into the health care debate.

      • Sister Artemis

        If you haven’t seen Frontline’s “The Choice: 2016” you should – and it runs through some of her early history (as well as Trump’s). The harrassment of her really started before the Cookies Incident, but was certainly in the same flavor.

        • ahughes798

          I will check it out. Thanks!

        • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

          She was so adorable, I hate that she had to change to fit in, for Bill.

      • The DeplorableDemmeVagenda

        Maybe it was a dumb thing to say politics-wise, but the reality was changing.
        She said this before the election, when all the wives were asked for their cookie recipes. Hillary balked at having her “worth” measured that way. Many women understood that. It was about time. I was a stay at home mom, but I knew what she meant.

        • Serai 1

          I think the reality changed in at least some part because of what she said. She was an inspiration to a lot of people during the 90’s. Her insistence on being who she was, even when she had to back down some, helped to foster confidence in young women, I think. I certainly found her inspiring.

        • ahughes798

          I know what she meant, you know what she meant, the rest of us Wonkeranians knew what she meat….but to a large amount of people, it was taken as an insult to being a stay at home mom, which worked the conservatards into the frothing hoofwanking bunglecunt Hillary haters they are today.

          • The DeplorableDemmeVagenda

            Yes, it was used to froth up those pre-disposed to hate her.
            It was very courageous of her.
            I took a photo of her smiling next to a bumper sticker that says: “Well Behaved Women Seldom Make History.”

        • theCryptofishist

          And then she and Babs had to publish cookie recipes so we could choose our favorites. Was that the last time that happened?

        • It needed to be said. My mom is not much like Hillary Clinton in any way, but she was also a mom who didn’t stay home and bake cookies and have teas, because she was busy working her ass off to support us and going to school so she could have a career. And that was something that still needed some normalizing at that time. From my perspective as a kid/teen around that time, there was a stigma not just about being a working mother, but also about having a working mother. I remember lots of chatter about the terrible latch-key kids produced by women who went off to work every day instead of being home to check homework and cook dinner from scratch. That was me (I was the oldest, so I was the one making dinner and checking homework most nights). That’s not super-relevant to the Clintons — I don’t think Chelsea would have been called a latch-key kid, anyway — but a First Lady (and First Mother) who prioritized having her own career helped, I think.

      • Serai 1

        She said she wasn’t the type of women who stayed home and baked cookies. That put the wingnuts in a fucking FROTH, of course. The thing is, she never said there was anything WRONG with that. She just said it wasn’t her thing. But there’s a huge contingent of people who just can’t stand the thought that there might be people out there who don’t want to do the things they like to do. For some reason, it drives them bugfuck insane.

        • ahughes798

          Yeah. People have been hating on her forever, and all it took was one little remark.

          • The DeplorableDemmeVagenda

            But if it hadn’t been that, it would have been the next thing.
            I think they really were out to get her.
            (Look at what a threat she is now. Yay!)

          • ahughes798

            But one of the first things ever broadcast of her was her saying that. Sure, eventually they would have gone after her. But they were on her like flies on shit after that, and by “they” I mean the media and conservapigs.

        • Astraea

          It’s not even really what she said. She was defending working while she was the Governor’s wife and she was absolutely right that the guy she was responding to would rather she quit her job and bake cookies and pour tea like other First Ladies of Arkansas.

          SHe had an amazing retort later on that she wasn’t trying to insult mothers, she was trying to insult Jerry Brown.

      • jen

        Actually, it was during the campaign. They asked her why she was working as a lawyer. (Yes, really.) She said she could have stayed home and baked cookies but chose to work as a lawyer that she had trained to be To me, it wasnt a dumb thing to say. It was a stupid, insulting question.

        • ahughes798

          It was a stupid, insulting question. I’m sure it aggravated the fuck out of her, and that’s why she answered like she did. Words matter, but tone does, too, and I thought the tone of her answer was indicative of her aggravation. Not fair, but I think that was one of the main catalysts of the Hillary Hating.

  • Gorillionaire

    Thank you Rebecca.

  • Astraea

    https://youtu.be/xXM4E23Efvk
    The speech was listed as number 35 in American Rhetoric’s Top 100 Speeches of the 20th Century

    Not bad for someone who can’t give good speeches.

    • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

      I remember seeing this in my youth. That pink suit! After having Nancy and Babz as first lady aka boring, Hillz was a lightning rod.

      • Serai 1

        She was amazing. I was happy to vote for Bill in large part because they were an equal team, and I wanted that. I was SO FUCKING PISSED when she got beaten down for speaking up.

    • Gayer Than Thou

      Yeah, I’m not even sure I accept the whole “she doesn’t talk good” thing.

    • This is why I think the “can’t give good speeches” thing is just more gender-based BS. Clearly, she can give a good speech; it’s just that she doesn’t sound how we’re primed to think good speakers sound. There aren’t that many women that are regarded as great speakers — at least, I can’t think of many. Michelle Obama, but that’s comparatively recent. Googling “best female speakers” gets you a few lists, and this Hillary speech is on most of them. I’m pretty sure that she’s a fine speaker with her own style.

      • Astraea

        Yeah, she is also up against really tough expectations if you’re wanting Obama.

        She’s just not as much of a grand idea person. She likes to get into the details and the weeds and lay out her arguments. When she does find the big themes like “Women’s rights are human rights” she knocks it out of the park.

        • I’m a details person myself, so all of those details and nuances that she gives are incredibly satisfying to me. I get frustrated with big ideas but few details, no matter how much I share the ideals. It’s why I couldn’t get excited about Bernie.

          Of course, I also get frustrated watching all those details get ignored for out-of-context soundbites.

          • Astraea

            I’m more of a big ideas person myself, but I really appreciate people who are details people. And I love a well reasoned argument, backed up with actual facts.

            It’s good that people are different! We need all kinds of different approaches to problems.

          • True! My husband is a big ideas person. I think it’s why we work well together. I need someone around who has the grand visions. He needs someone who’s good at nitty gritty details.You might almost say that we’re stronger together. ;)

      • theCryptofishist

        Why do I have the horrible shuddery feeling that Maggie Thatcher’s in the top 5?

    • TheGrandWaz00

      Other than parts of rah-rah campaign rally speeches, she tells people what they need to know, not what they want to hear.

  • Toomush_Infer

    As an oldz white guy, I have to say, I’ve always liked Hillary. She’s complicated, earnest, more of a hawk than I am, but she barrels down on some pretty fucking good issues, and I never bought the “crooked” shit. I was impressed by the level of privacy she maintained about Bill and her in the midst of his midlife horniness, and I thought she behave pretty good in her first run for president, when she got sidelined by royalty… Oh, and for the last several days, our little Dem office has had more than its fair share of old white guys looking for their “Hillary sign”. What does kind of tick me off is that the Hillary campaign has not helped us out with this, and we had to order and pay for our own county signs in northern MI. But, they’re flying out the door….

    • ahughes798

      Dems always charge you for free advertising for their candidates. Except the down-ticket ones. There’s a guy here named Jim Walz, running for the US Congress in my district in Illinois. He came to my front door one day, introduced himself, and asked if he could put a sign in my yard. I asked “Are you a Democrat?” He said yes. I said Yaaaay! He then said “I’m a Bernie Democrat!” I said double yay and yes sir, you may put your sign in my yard. This is how you do it, my fellow Bernie supporters. Vote the D for pres, because you have no choice. Vote for LIBERAL dems downticket. Because eventually….they move up. They move up, we win, and the Democrats will move back to left of center.

      • Serai 1

        That’s how it happens. You don’t get it all at once just because. You start from the ground up.

    • moebym

      Lots of old white dudes volunteering at the similarly small Henderson, NV office where I go. And signs are similarly hard to come by here!

    • Serai 1

      I get the feeling that once she’s in the Oval Office, she won’t be as much of a hawk as she was as Secretary of State. We’ll see, of course, but I’m optimistic on that score.

      • crisptickle

        I bet she stopped regretting her Iraq vote.

    • The DeplorableDemmeVagenda

      Isn’t it great that some campaigns don’t take signs as seriously as the public?
      I don’t know why they don’t get that. (Maybe they are very expensive.)
      I have been told many times that signs don’t change many minds, but they are the sign of an organized campaign. (Of course this doesn’t help when someone down the block has a big ol’ Trump sign you want to counter!)
      When I worked on her NY Senate campaign, Hillary signs were stolen so often, that a lot of people had one indoors, to keep.
      Another campaign only had their signs 2 weeks before the election, and people were REALLY pissed off!

    • Sister Artemis

      I don’t really have a yard for signs, but I made myself this one for my windows, and feel free to use if anyone likes https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ede6d2d4aeb214c061df33feca8168421ce599ecc094721f31f137ab9cdec5bf.jpg

      • cousin itt

        Very cool!

  • Daisy

    God, I needed this. I’ve been snappy over the last two days, and crying over the stupidest shit, and my roommate just woke me up from a desperately needed nap by knocking on the door. (I can’t say too much, I forgot my key earlier. )

    • Good_Trouble_Yall

      I can’t internet good, but here’s 538.com forecast today, to make it even better!
      Who will win the presidency?

      Chance of winning

      Hillary Clinton

      78.3%

      Donald Trump

      21.7%

      • Count Awesome

        Trump will have losing coming out of his wherever.

        • Serai 1

          I’ll be interested to see who, if anyone, will do business with him after this.

          • Count Awesome

            Putin. Definitely Putin.

          • Serai 1

            Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if he started moving his assets away from the US.

        • theCryptofishist

          He has a wherever? I thought he was all taint!

      • limberrat

        Holy moly, that has gone up even further than this morning!

    • Markuserektus

      Have no fear Wonkette is here.

  • Shangenda of Shanocide

    I didn’t pay much attention to politics when I was younger. I always voted Democrat and I was TOTALLY A-SQUEE when Clinton the First won, both times. During his terms, I was in and out of the country a lot and having babies so I didn’t have a lot of time to keep up. So, sadly, I was left with the impression that a LOT of people who haven’t really been paying attention were left with when the “scandals” hit the headlines (because if it’s in the news, it must be true). But thanks in large part to the focus on Hillary’s achievements and character I’ve seen right here lately, I really AM going to be delighted to cast my vote for Hillary the First.

    • Serai 1

      Honestly, I never understood what the fuck Bill’s sex life had to do with anything. The whole thing was so obviously dragged up because the GOP couldn’t find a legitimate way to mess things up for him.

      • Astraea

        Bill’s sex life. Benghazi. Emails. They just dig and dig until they find something the rubes won’t like.

        • Count Awesome

          They’ll dig far enough to find China and that will be enough for some.

      • mancityfooty

        The republicans tried a lot of things. Whitewater, travelgate, filegate (rose law firm), and I think there was even a stink when they fired the chef that Bush brought in and replaced him with their own choice.

        I do remember they added more bookshelves to the white house and changed the phones so that you didn’t have to dial 9 to get an outside line.

        The Lewinski thing stuck because the repubs wanted to do a case around the Buddhist temple donations, but there was a scandal on the repub side so negotiations set both of those things aside. The dems just didn’t figure that Bill’s testimony about Lewinski would even be a thing, and the repubs never said they wouldn’t go after it.

        • Spotts1701

          Yeah, the cattle futures was one I didn’t get because they were trying to make it sound sinister when it could just as easily be chalked up to being extraordinarily lucky. Sometimes you gamble big and win big.

      • vivian

        The GOP has a fundamental disrespect for the entire principle of democracy. They believe they are “the real people” and everyone else is a drug-addled immigrant stain on America’s pure white tablecloth.

        • Kavefish

          Speaking of disrespect for democracy, here’s our good friend Paul Ryan, quoted at the very end of a Politico article about how he intends to use reconciliation to basically dismantle everything Obama accomplished if Trump is elected:

          “I’m tired of divided government. It doesn’t work very well,” Ryan said last week. “We’ve gotten some good things done. But the big things — poverty, the debt crisis, the economy, health care — these things are stuck in divided government, and that’s why we think a unified Republican government’s the way to go.”

          Linky-linky lefty-pinky: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/paul-ryan-budget-congress-229216

      • Shangenda of Shanocide

        Oh, I wasn’t even talking about the sex stuff. I was living in the UK when the Lewinsky one hit, at home watching daytime TV with my toddler. One of the “big” shows over there had a call-in segment about it, and boy did I EVER call in. I told them as a US citizen, I didn’t think it was anybody’s business but Bill’s and Hillary’s if he was having an affair and it was embarrassing that they were trying to impeach him over it. The host of the show tried to make it sound like “oooh, if he’s so susceptible to pretty young women, what if one of them is a foreign spy trying to get state secrets out of him?” I pointed out that he’d already had a very long political career before becoming president and indiscreet “pillow talk” would have brought him down already.

        I don’t remember the whole thing. Toddlers eat your brainz.

        • Serai 1

          Foreign SPY??? LOL. Guy was reading too many dime novels.

  • Kooolest G

    around my house, my wife and niece were bernie bros until close to the end, while me and my 6 year old son were in the tank for hillz from the beginning. every time she’s on TV he talks about how pretty she is and how nice she seems. he wanted to get dressed up when we went to vote in the primary and was very disappointed when I told him that hillary wouldn’t be there to meet us when we go vote

    • Daisy

      Awww! And I’m not crying, you’re crying! :)

    • Shangenda of Shanocide

      That is too adorable!!!

    • cousin itt

      Damn onion ninjas.

    • Gayer Than Thou

      That’s one hell of a story.

  • Mehmeisterjr

    The Evil: Short-fingered, vulgar, thin-skinned, mean-tempered, narcissistic, Fascist, racist, swindling Donald Trump.

    The Lesser Evil: Anti-vaxxer Jill Stein.

    Considering the pain that 1950’s measles inflicted on my family, I am almost ready to switch those ratings.

    But, in either case, I am not going to settle for the Lesser Evil.

    • phoenix00

      Not Evil/Cool Uncle 2016!

  • You’re crying reading this.

    I ❤️ Hillary.

    • Good_Trouble_Yall

      You’re not crying, I’m crying!
      Wait, what?

      • Hand me the tissues, please! (Did you read the whole interview? We’re going to need a bigger box of Kleenex.)

  • cousin itt

    Hillary Rodham Clinton has been the most admired woman every year since 1993 except for three years. No man has that track record. Only Ike comes close. http://www.gallup.com/poll/1678/most-admired-man-woman.aspxhttps://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a4fc4799c8af7c033e772fc8ae835d6d79d8cb0f6b627d9799bfedb3f72d40af.png

    • mancityfooty

      yeah, well, I think NOT ASKED did a much better job and they only won a few times.
      on both sides, which is kinda progressive for the time.

    • smr06va

      That damn radical Mother Teresa…….

  • Daisy

    *sighs happily* My first vote gets to be for her, and as a teenage girl, that means a lot to me.

    • moebym

      Wow, to have your first vote be for the first woman President – how momentous!

    • Serai 1

      I envy you.

    • YoBunnyBunny

      My first vote was for Kerry… Yeah, I am soooo jelly…

    • Jo Mathie

      That’s brilliant. The idea that Trump is even remotely comparable to Hillary as a human being let alone a presidential candidate is baffling

  • Astraea
  • chascates

    I read many accounts of how Hillary is very warm and personable in person, it’s just when she’s on a stage or being interviewed by a journalist that she pulls inside of herself. She was criticized when she gave her address at her college graduation and just about every time after that when she was in the public eye. She’s criticized for being too serious and for not being friendly enough. She’s accused of every crime imaginable and is to some the embodiment of evil (check out RightWingWatch.com–RWNJs claim she’ll bring on the end of civilization or at least America). Considered a bitch for fighting for her husband and a weakling for staying with him.
    I believe one thing about her: she is totally competent to be President and will be able to work with Congress and that’s how progress is made. Bernie and Trump can talk about their amazing ideas but a President works with Congress to accomplish anything.
    She’s a good person and she’ll make a good President.

    • stormkite

      Hillary in person (I’ve had the great good luck) really IS alot of fun to be around. She’s sharp, she’s funny, she’s quick on the comeback. And when she gets serious, you’d best have your A game on tap because she is serious brilliant. I can see why she scares the out of the empty heads in fancy suits, but I’m not all that sympathetic. If she follows Pres. O, it may be a while before we have another white guy in the White House.

      • jowgajen

        She’s actually a little goofy. Possibly a huge nerd, even. It’s really a cute look on the (soon to be) most powerful person in the world.

        • stormkite

          Would NOT want to be the idiot that relies on that “cute” to take advantage of her good nature, though. I don’t think there’s a lot of there there in that respect.

  • siun

    Thank you – this is lovely and true – and really needs saying

  • Markuserektus
  • Nounverb911

    In the meantime, the NY Times now has the chances of a Hillary win at 82% up another percent since yesterday…. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/00582334f69cb372d3b4e0f9080c4987c979ef4b8d94f9a6f65f336b2d04b4c9.png

    https://twitter.com/UpshotNYT/status/784102700359290880

    • Astraea

      Thank god. I was afraid another 30 days of numbers in the 50s was going to kill me off.

    • sosuume

      That’s good. Now let’s run up the score. No Mercy!

      • Serai 1

        Indeed. I won’t feel safe until it’s over 90%.

        • Arolpin

          I won’t feel safe until Drumpf concedes or Hillary is inaugurated, whichever comes first (and it’s going to be the latter, even if she gets 400+ EVs)

          • Serai 1

            It’s going to be great fun to watch him pop a blood vessel during his I WILL NEVER CONCEDE rant the night of the election.

  • Callyson

    Thank you–this needs to be said again and again.

    For anyone who wants more, this self-described former Bernie Bro penned a nice piece. And I’m partial to what the fuck has Hillary done also too.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a7af1f034a43e52e0d5be017939b35ff016e5b7707d5e4fbd5edeb92ca0512fe.jpg

  • I’ve been used to putting this forward since March

    This may shock you: Hillary Clinton is fundamentally honest
    by Jill Abrabramson in The Guardian

    to counter some of the outright lies in respect of Hillary

    • Sister Artemis

      I love that piece. I’ve been sharing it with people since I first read it weeks and weeks ago, it now seems. I should see if she’s written any updates.

    • Callyson

      I was thinking of posting that one as well. I wish it were required reading for all voters!

  • Daisy

    OT: Currently doing the best I can to take the advice of my guy friend, and remind myself that it is almost Friday.

    • mancityfooty

      not to be a downer, but even if you get a career you absolutely love, it’s a good skill to have.

  • Lara

    I’m also getting sick of hearing “I’ll hold my nose and vote for Hillary”. She has dedicated years of her life to helping others and serving her country, and the way she’s talked about is not the same as a man would be talked about. I hear so many people say they don’t like Hillary Clinton, and they’ll give some weak, “oh, well she lies, and there’s the email” and if you push them you often hear “I can’t put my finger on it exactly”. And I submit that it’s because they feel there’s something unseemly or wrong about a woman daring to try for a powerful job, something unladylike, something sordid. And so all the sordid stories about her ring true.

    I doubt a lot of these people would say they’re sexist, but I think they may not even realize the deeply-ingrained ideas they have about women and their place in society.

    • Callyson
    • Spurning Beer

      Speaking as a retired clinical psychologist, I maintain that a large portion of the anti-Hillz feelings have their origins in Mommy Issues. Like it or not, Hillary seems like a mom, and even though you love your mom and know she’s right, you don’t want her to be right, and you don’t want to have to admit that she is. Pushing away from Mommy is a stage one has to go through on the path to maturity. (Well, more so for boys than girls, anyway.)

      • Sister Artemis

        Sure, but then you grow up and find your center, and appreciate your mom, taking the good and the bad and seeing the whole picture. An awful lot of immaturity in those kneejerk “mom’s a bitch!” reactions, and I’d be real happy if people sorta grew up. On the other hand, your profession exists in part because people have a hard time doing that.

        Also, playing back to mommy issues, there’s the “can do no wrong” thing that the trumpians are doing a lot of, which sometimes reminds me of the way adult men swoon over their moms, especially the ones who have passed. Either way, not a mature state of being.
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4bd205a4fc66e7ef974e269679386c2be97a635bc5fa34929915f016f4d653f1.jpg

  • nightmoth

    Thank you. I’m damned sick and tired of the “lesser of two evils” bullshit, as well. Hillary is a good woman, as well as a smart, capable, tough, and loyal one and I am PROUD to be voting for her.

    • Logic of Color

      Totally. I’m proud as fuck to vote for her

    • Shoot4themoon

      I belong to 2 private Facebook groups that are all about how much we *love* Hillary Clinton – one with over 11,000 members; the other closer to 4,000 – but the political climate is such that we have to keep ourselves hidden, thanks, in part, to the media’s lazy “lesser of two evils” narrative.

    • Serai 1

      It will be the high point of my political life, indeed. At least so far.

  • Sister Artemis

    Nice job, commie mom!

  • RobKanC

    Thank you for this. Every time I heard this dumb argument that somehow she is evil, my veins throb to the point of popping. It’s sad to see the right wing has poisoned a entire generation of voters that she is somehow evil. Fuck all of them. Hopefully they will see right thru the lies when it’s time to reelect her.

  • moebym

    I forgot to say – when I was growing up in the 90s, my parents were huge fans of the Clintons, and it definitely rubbed off on me (all of us are lifelong Democrats).

    I had always believed that the Clintons were a fundamentally honest, kind, caring, hard-working couple, and nothing – no scandals, no investigations, no hearings – has ever shaken that belief. In fact, this election has only deepened my admiration for them, because I gained a greater understanding of just how dedicated to public service they have been since childhood, and how much shit they have had to wade through in order to achieve their aim of helping as many people as possible.

  • If we don’t elect Hillary Clinton president of these here United Fucking States o

    • DainBramage

      Yep, and the Supreme Court would get some radically terrible justices to plague us for a generation.

      • mancityfooty

        you shut your mouth!

      • And that makes us really really stupid if we let that happen.

  • Callyson

    And on that note, time to go make some calls in Ne-VAA-da. Here’s hoping I don’t sound like I’m over-exaggerating when I pronounce the name of the place in accordance with the locals’ preference!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/665af53021525bca756bc3b6e339175fc760df6b76cef7ba0ce72cc450a363e4.jpg

    • moebym

      Oh, you’re in Nevada, too? I volunteer over at one of the Henderson offices. Data entry, mostly, since I’m too chicken for phone banking.

      • Callyson

        Not in Nevada, but we SoCal volunteers are tasked with helping keep it blue. And thanks for your efforts: I can tell you as a phone bank captain that you data entry people make our lives MUCH easier!

  • Marceline

    Thank you. Years ago my mother and I stood in Cleveland’s Public Square and watched Hillary speak. She was amazing. This is the program from that night. I can’t wait to show up at the Board of Elections next week and so we can vote for her all these years later. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/defb58710ca714c5ae20ced375181d3d27e3ec186259d0752f74a903320ffa62.jpg

    • going4baroque

      wondering, snarkily I might add, if Ali’s name isn’t printed in a slighter smaller font, because, you know …

      • Marceline

        Because love means never having to say you’re sorry?

        • going4baroque

          that’ll work, yeah

  • Jeffocaster in the desert

    I have a fucking COLD! Thanks, Obama.

    • smr06va

      A cold???? OR PNEUMONIA??!!??

      gop conspiracy spinners want to know!!!1!!11!

      • PimentacoTX

        Parkinson-pneu-palsy. also known as Hillary disease.

      • Jeffocaster in the desert

        A common cold. Because I am a commoner. I am voting democratic even if I die on Nov 9.

    • DainBramage

      Be sure to not thank the anti-vaxxers that it’s not polio.

    • mancityfooty

      “Mr. President, I have confirmation that Jeffocaster has a cold.”
      “Excellent, now the FEMA camps can be opened.”

      • Jeffocaster in the desert

        I use to ride my motorcycle by the HQ of FEMA in the hills above Loudoun County. Weather Mountain. And would wave to the security cameras as I buzzed by. They finally got me………………………..aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrghhhh….

        • mancityfooty

          the wheels of tyranny turn slowly…no, wait, that’s not it.

  • Bub the Leftwing Zombie

    Just came across this on Crooks and Liars. They have a story about how Trump’s own lawyers see him in pairs because he lies so much.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/add3bd73f29f9bca250bba40cfc6505be274ef894d1cbb590bc133a6580c94d5.png

    Quite the contrast, no?

    http://crooksandliars.com/2016/10/trump-lies-so-much-his-accountants-meet

  • Nounverb911

    Guess who’s daughter is for Hillary?

    https://twitter.com/politico/status/784155991306797057

    • Astraea
    • DainBramage

      She must not have gotten the “STOOPID” gene.

      • Nounverb911

        Her brother got that one….

        • DainBramage

          Fucking Y-chromosome! (Yes, I have one too…)

    • smr06va

      That is fucking hilarious!!!

    • feministing

      shut omfg hahahahahaha

    • Serai 1

      LOL That must really chap his ass.

  • going4baroque

    I think it is particularly revealing of Hillary’s charming ways with the 11 year old Marley when, as evidenced by Marley’s letter, Hillary demanded that she be given the questions in advance

    • mondojohnson

      What I find particularly revealing of your own charming ways is that you look to poke holes in a benign children’s interview to support a preconceived characterization.

      • going4baroque

        preconceived characterization? Just the facts, did you see the letter? the questions were obviously provided in advance, as probably demanded by H’s campaign

      • ZangoCrudmonger

        I believe there may be a Poe in the room.

      • going4baroque

        snark. noun. Combination of “snide” and “remark”. Sarcastic comment(s). Also snarky (adj.) and snarkily (adv.) His commentary was rife with …

      • going4baroque

        additionally, it was oblique snark in reference to this little news item:
        http://thehill.com/homenews/media/299523-leaked-memo-shows-clinton-was-provided-all-questions-ahead-interview

    • feministing

      the wittiness. cannot. handle. it.

      • going4baroque

        it hits suddenly I know, and the breath goes right out of you, it’s happened to me too!

        • feministing

          uh huh

    • TheGrandWaz00

      It’s pretty hard to answer a question if you don’t know what it is.

      • going4baroque

        that is hardly an excuse

    • Astraea

      I for one demand only hard-hitting, no holds barred interviews with 11-year-olds for fashion/lifestyle magazines.

      • going4baroque

        insofar as the women’s section is concerned, do you find “the lesser of two evils” to be a well-meaning but nonetheless sexist statement?

        • Astraea

          I don’t even know WTF you’re talking about and I don’t think you do either.

          • going4baroque

            actually, I’ll explain: “the lesser of two evils” seen as a sexist statement is a joking reference to having women always treated differently than men, you know, lesser than, so let’s not pay her as much, and well, you know, women aren’t as good with math, all those myths grounded in sexism. I will never again explain a comment but I truly feel that you merit an explanation and an apology – never again will I attach a snarky comment to your posts

          • Sister Artemis

            I know it’s awful having to explain a joke, but I actually appreciated it once you layed it out. Initially I read it as….?.. I wasn’t sure what, to tell you the truth.

          • going4baroque

            thank you for this, you are kind, and wise

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            But I’m not. So fuck off.

          • Sister Artemis

            I try. It’s hard sometimes to convey the full intent of something in just words, which is why public figures in particular must be careful (DO NOT JUMP ON MY ASS JILL STEINIANS!!!), and here in the comments section, were it only allowed, it’s sometimes easier to give someone the benefit of the doubt.

            But still, hard to know these days with snark and RWNJ and fer-christ-sakes LWNJ reality meeting pretty much in the middle, where people are coming from

      • going4baroque

        I don’t know WTF you mean here and I don’t think you do either!

    • Sister Artemis

      do you think this is weird, or is there a missing /snark tag at the end of your post?

      • going4baroque

        damn it you’re right I need to start the /snark , thanks

    • mfp

      ok, i’ve read that article 3x now, and i’m still missing the part where ‘hillary demanded…the questions in advance’…little help here, maybe?

      • going4baroque

        snark. noun. Combination of “snide” and “remark”. Sarcastic comment(s). Also snarky (adj.) and snarkily (adv.) His commentary was rife with snark

        • mfp

          hmmm…ok…yeah

    • Serai 1
  • The idea that Hillary was “the lesser of 2 evils” was always a load of bullshit spouted by the rabid Hillary Haters as self justification for not voting for her. It was always a false claim based upon Republican propaganda.

    What really offended me was the ludicrous claim was that “… supporting the lesser of 2 evils is still evil and I won’t do it.” This is morally bankrupt claptrap, although there may be a multitude of choices you can make there is only one that opposes the hideous damage that a Trump Presidency would inflict on America and the World and that choice is voting for Hillary. All other choices either directly support an evil these whiners say they hate or increases the chances of a Trump win.

    • cat cafe

      That is beautifully put, especially your term “morally bankrupt claptrap.”

    • Serai 1

      It’s selfish claptrap. It’s declaring “I’M THE ONLY IMPORTANT ONE IN THIS EQUATION, and to hell with everyone else in the country, especially the people who will actually suffer from my actions.”

      • Absolutely!

      • crisptickle

        how about: everyone else in the WORLD!!11!111!!1

  • BetsyBleedingheart

    Shut up, I’m not crying, I have allergies.

  • vivian

    Y’know, I’m beginning to think Li’l Marco was on to something:
    “Let’s just dis Pense with this idea that he doesn’t know what he’s doing;
    he knows prezactly what he’s doing.”

  • pgjack

    Hillary has worked hard for good causes all her life. Despite decades of hounding by her political foes she has stayed strong and on course. None of the numberous Republican initiated investigations have found her to have committed any crimes or even been morally corrupt. Yes, she’s a good person and I’ll be pleased to vote for her in this election. She will be a fine President.

  • feministing

    Bless.

  • PimentacoTX

    Breaking: Trump tweets about Crooked Little Lillery not being a ten.

    • Serai 1

      Every time I think he scrapes the bottom of the barrel…

  • Blanche Beecham

    Trump and Eminem aren’t winning this one.

  • Joe Beese

    A reminder of what a Category 4 hurricane can do over flat land, from Hurricane Ike:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9b11d5371e59a11991ae8572ef6d3f78e135c41a1b6b29b12454696edc716ede.png

    • DainBramage

      That’s terrifying.

    • JustDon’tSaySta-min-ah

      Fuckin’ Ike. That bastard storm screwed up the little MEMS plant where I worked so much that between him and The Recession, I was out of job 6 months later, along with the rest of the company. But at least the roof stayed on our house and the downed trees fell AWAY from the house. I bet there are STILL roofs with blue tarps on them around Houston.

      Plus the Astros were on a roll to the post season until they couldn’t play their home games at home.

  • AJ Milne

    It’s been some decades since I worked out anyone actually using the term ‘politically correct’ was probably an asshole, and can pretty much be written off from the moment that phrase escapes their lips. Move on. Nothing to see here but banal idiocy. Could do a whole longer thing on this, redundant here, I’d expect…

    But I got to thinking, a while after this observation occurred to me, though, that it wasn’t just that it was invariably an empty, ill-considered, deeply dishonest taunt, which really just translated to ‘something in some form at least vaguely progressive and thus we hates it, precious’, no deep meaning beyond this… I think I started to realize it wasn’t just this that annoyed me…

    … it was almost… aesthetics. That phrase always got trumpeted out with this oddly self-congratulatory attitude wildly at odds with the intellectual achievement one demonstrates using it. Like the speaker has this expectation, that, somehow, just by expressing this dull-as-dust-and-six-times-as-common attitude, suddenly they became terribly, vitally rebellious deep thinkers. Yeah, look at _me_! I rail against ‘political correctness’. How shockingly, boldly, brilliantly outré of me, huh?

    Yes… yesssss… I’m impressed. Hey, maybe for your _next_ act, maybe you could mention how much you hate airline food. Let’s go _way_ outside the box, guy…

    … In short, past the general dishonesty of the taunt, it’s not a) clever, b) interesting, c) aesthetically more engaging or challenging than, say, a square room painted off-white, with an off-white carpet, and topped off with off-white drapes. Not that I’m mentioning whites here for any reason in particular…

    Anyway, bringing the digression back to this thing: a while ago, I started putting general-ass/generic whines about ‘politicians’ in the same aesthetic category. Like, seriously, oooo, you hate all ‘politicians’. How interesting. What a challenging, fascinating idea. Sleep with me, I beg you.

    … seriously, again, probably preaching to the choir, but: if you are a citizen of a democracy of any sophistication, you do probably kinda need politicians. And, hey, just mentioning, bizarrely enough, some of them might just have got into the game out of an actual sense of civic duty, things they wanted to change, things they wanted to do something about. Oh, and just derisively saying oh, we hates ’em all, apart from the sheer intellectual laziness of it, it kinda puts me in mind to ask: right, what’s your counterproposal, then? Get rid of those entirely? What did you have in mind we use instead? There’s an essential problem here, I think. We could, say, arbitrarily start electing barbers, but, y’know, once those worked out they had to campaign to win, I’m thinking you’d just be boring me to tears next with how much you hate all _them_…

    Oh, and, speaking of, don’t even get me started on anyone standing there saying ‘I’m not a politician…’ while running for office.

    … anyway: I think it’s a lot of that that’s kinda pushed me toward taking another hard look at Hillary. People saying, oh, but she’s such a _politician_. It was kinda a tell.

    … yes. Yes. I’m pretty sure she is. Seems right. Seems to fit her daily activites pretty well, actually. Oh, also? I’m pretty sure that guy working under my sink is a plumber. But now I’d appreciate, given your apparently incredible insight into such matters, if you could confirm this for me, thanks…

    Past this, get to take another look at a _lot_ (by no means all) of the people some dink somewhere is derisively calling ‘a politician’, and oh my, you discover they _are_, how very disappointing.

    Oh, and, sure, the longer they’ve been in office, the likelier it is they’ve voted for _something_ you disapproved of. But, then, if you’re not, say, _three_ (or Trump), you probably have to work out this whole ‘oh, right, I live in a representative democracy’ issue. In which, yes, your representative doesn’t always represent you perfectly, go figure. And you still need to say, right, will they do? Are they a _decent_ option?

    Now I _like_ Clinton. Long have. My single largest beef: I like to think I wouldn’t have given Dubya and his cabinet of pathological liars their Iraq vote. But then, hell, I do remember those days, too, too well… How they cooked it and talked it up and banged on it and pushed even the spooks for _months_ to tell them what they wanted to hear, went endlessly on and on about suitcase nukes and sarin and I can’t remember what other bogeymen. And I remember politicians are social beasts, too. They do have peers, they do have peer pressure, they do get swayed. And Hillary, especially, word is, may have got tipped a bit toward doing the wrong thing versus doing nothing after Rwanda. Anyway, I kinda look at that one, get to thinking: right. Very, very, _very_ expensive lesson. But I still got some hope she might have learned something.

    … and, as pointed out repeatedly above, there’s a whole hell of a lot more to the woman than that one vote.

    My point: I like Clinton. But even if you _don’t_, quite so much, welcome to representative democracy. Your representative may not perfectly represent you. In my ever so humble opinion, you’re still kinda a lucky dog to have her.

    (*/Apologies for length. And full disclosure, no, I can’t vote for her. Not USAian.)

    • Ricky Gay

      Smoke or edibles?

      • AJ Milne

        Bushmills if you have it.

        • Ricky Gay

          Jameson?

          • AJ Milne

            More than close enough.

          • Ricky Gay

            I bought a case to get me through this election.

  • Nounverb911

    In other Hillary news, Hillary has announced that she has something for Bill to do after they’ve moved into the White House.

    https://twitter.com/politico/status/784163095920992262

    • Serai 1

      That is so fucking great. I look forward to the folksy pics. Maybe a new version of American Gothic, with Bill in overalls with a pitchfork and Hillary in her pantsuit, in front of the White House.

  • YetAnotherRebecca

    Just sent this to my Bernie loving, Johnson supporting friend (she’s Canadian but in the US on a green card and has a citizen boyfriend) who has described herself as a “Hillary hating Democrat.” To her credit, she did read it. Not to her credit, her response:

    “Meh…I still am not sold. I don’t like political dynasties.”

    So…even if Hillary IS TRUSTWORTHY AND A GOOD PERSON she’s still not likable because she is part of a political dynasty? One that has lasted LESS that one generation and is comprised of a husband and wife whose families came from super-humble roots?

    FUCK. We just can’t win with some people. If they don’t like what you’re saying, they just move the goalpost a little further down the line (apologies for the clumsy and uninformed sportsball metaphor).

    Wanna hear the worst part? The part that made me want to put my head through the desk? She ended our conversation with “I just want America back.” Hah…I wonder whose propaganda she picked THAT one up from…

    • feministing

      but, are they even a dynasty? isn’t the definition more than one generation?

      • YetAnotherRebecca

        Exactly. She’s just using fucking buzzwords to justify her irrational hatred .

        • feministing

          tell her to crack a dictionary while she’s at it then

      • cat cafe

        And absolutely does NOT apply to a husband and wife FFS.

      • Not a dynasty unless Chelsea gets into it. Neither Hillary nor Bill came from any kind of political family. That whole line about dynasties gets to me, because applied to the Clintons, it basically says that the wife can’t be as ambitious as the husband if they’re in the same field. What kind of bullshit is that?

        The Bushes have some claim on the dynasty label, pick on them.

        • Serai 1

          They’re pissed about people using the dynasty label on the Bushes, so they throw it onto the Clintons even though it makes NO FUCKING SENSE. That’s their level of intelligence.

          • Yeah, but I hear left-leaning Hillary-haters use it too. Or I did during primary season, anyway.

    • jowgajen

      It’s not a dynasty if you helped build it in the first place. For fuck’s sake. Dynasty is when you inherit it based entirely on your birth happenstance.

    • mancityfooty

      America back to what? She’s Candian!
      (just like my girlfriend)

    • FDRliberal

      Her response: “Meh…I still am not sold. I don’t like political dynasties.”

      In other words: “Meh, it’s more important to me to avoid what I label ‘political dynasties’ than to give an unstable man-toddler egomaniac the nuclear codes”.

      People let that are self-centered, irrational and unmovable.

      • Serai 1

        It’s All About Her, dont’cha know.

    • Spotts1701

      I swear, if Jesus Christ himself showed up and said “Yeah, her. She’s good people,” there would still be holdouts.

      • Serai 1

        Most of them aren’t interested in anything Jesus had to say, pinko Commie long-hair freak that he was.

      • idiotboy

        No,
        They would crucify him.

    • Astraea

      Yes, one more Clinton is obviously far more dangerous than a fascist who cozies up to white supremacists and has a base full of angry, resentful people aiming all their life’s frustratiosn at anyone who isn’t like them.

    • The Wanderer

      What her stance on Trudeau? His father was PM.

    • georgiaburning

      If she’s from Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island or New Brunswick, “I just want America back.” may have another meaning. That’s where the British loyalists settled after the Revolution.

      • YetAnotherRebecca

        Haha…actually, I think she is from Nova Scotia! I remember she called it something like “where the Canadian inbred pirate types are from.” Which I must admit was a great fucking line :)

        And just to clarify – she’s actually a pretty great person. Just fairly ignorant when it comes to politics.

        • crisptickle

          I shut up about stuff I’m ignorant about…..usually.

      • Vienna Woods

        Oh hello… most of my ancestors headed north to Ontario after the Revolution.

    • So … she’s not in favour of the Canadian Head of State because Lizzy is part of a very long running political dynasty.

      • CrazyDogLady

        Not sure whether you’re in the Commonwealth, but the Windsors are not a *political* dynasty. In fact there are many many many constitutional conventions preventing just that. There was much “shock horror’ a year or so ago when it appeared the heir apparent had tried to influence politics. It didn’t really bother us out in the Colonies tho.

        • Umm

          There are lots of conventions, mostly about how much the monarch interferes, but the monarchy still does interfere.

          I speak as a long time republican (small “r” … small “r”)

    • Serai 1

      “America back from WHOM?” I hope you asked.

    • cat cafe

      What “America” does she want back? The one where women knew their place and couldn’t go to Ivy League colleges, attend medical school or law school, and even if they were Ruth Bader Ginsburg and somehow did attend law school, could only work as a paralegal? The one where black people couldn’t sit at lunch counters or drink from drinking fountains? That world? And a husband and a wife are EXACTLY NOT A FUCKING DYNASTY! I am sorry, but your friend is just a garden-variety misogynist. No logic will permeate her because her real reason is “I don’t like powerful women.” The fact that she’s supporting the known moron Johnson says it all.

      • PimentacoTX

        Paralegal libelz!!!

        By the way, did you know paralegals’ day is “A Thing”?

        • cat cafe

          Oh, you’re right, I didn’t mean to dis paralegals. Just that RBG should have been able to practice as a lawyer. It’s like how women weren’t allowed to be doctors…. doesn’t demean nurses, who are the hardest working people I know… just that, we should be able to be doctors! In an earlier career I was a college professor and there wasn’t anyone who encountered me who didn’t immediately assume I was a student.

          • PimentacoTX

            I was totally kidding!

    • starfanglednut

      Anybody who goes from Bernie to Johnson loses whatever respect I may have had for them.

    • Vienna Woods

      “I just want America back.” says a Canadian. For FUCKS SAKE says this Canadian.

  • Ricky Gay

    What? No scissoring?! (I jokes)

    • Scissoring just leaves hanging chads (or so I’ve been told)

      • Lucas Foxx

        I think you mean “leaves Chad hanging.”

      • Ricky Gay

        Poor Chad. He is always left hanging.

  • DainBramage

    At the beginning of the primary process, I wasn’t for Hillary, not that I was particularly for anyone else either. This was mainly due to being worn down by decades of Rethug lies about the Clintons and the MSM playing along. I just didn’t want to have to relive all the crap that I knew would be thrown at her.
    Then I began to learn more about Hillary, and what a great person she is. I realized that I needed to shake off my dread of the “never-ending scandal” and say FU to the Republicans. When she wins, I hope they all fell the psychic hit of the loss of half of their hit-points.

    • YetAnotherRebecca

      I’m in a similar boat. I was pretty strongly for Bernie in the beginning (mostly from years of hearing him take questions on Thom Hartmann’s show) but the more and more I learn about Hillary the more I respect – and more importantly – LIKE her.

      Same thing happened with Kaine. At first I was all “meh….middle of the road democrat” but the more I learned about his record and him as a person the bigger my crush on him became. There are two really really decent, hardworking people on our ticket. Theirs is a terrifying huckster and a Creationist Theocrat.

      *shudders*

      • DainBramage

        Anyone who says there isn’t a stark difference between the two tickets is a liar or a moron. Or both.

      • Astraea

        Yeah, I don’t agree with Kaine on everything and I really don’t like that he wouldn’t want to repeal the Hyde Amendment, if it was up to him. But he seems like a responsible adult who cares about the country.

      • mancityfooty

        what I like is that, somehow, he can let his religion influence him in good ways, but not every way.
        but I really don’t know enough about his record to completely stand by that statement.

        • YetAnotherRebecca

          Exactly! I’m pretty much an atheist but he is the type of believer that I can actually really respect. One who understands that Jeezus cared a lot more about helping others and leaving the world a better place than judgement and punishment.

    • mancityfooty

      Sorry, I lived through those “investigations” in the ’90s, and I just have never believed them. When none of the witchhunts came to fruition, that told me most of what I needed to know.
      I like Bernie being in the race. He threw some good ideas into the ring, but I knew he wasn’t going to make it. He made a good run, though.

      • DainBramage

        I never believed the allegations against the Clintons either. But you know how it is when you tired of a particular pile of garbage. You want to get rid of it so you can make a new one. OK, bad analogy.

      • Serai 1

        When they actually had the low class to drag Bill’s dick into it, I was so disgusted it made me ill. What slimy fucking bastards they are.

        • mancityfooty

          it was on a hearing about whitewater, I just never understood how the judge let the questions in.

    • Serai 1

      As long as there are wingnuts, there will always be trumped-up, dishonest, idiotic scandals.

  • Astraea
  • Me not sure

    OT : CQ Florida Wonkers. I hope all of the FL Wonkers are OK. Earlier I made a joke about Rush Limbaugh having a home in Palm Beach. It looks like the storm is going to make landfall very near there. The FL governor who shall not be named just asked for and received from the President an emergency declaration and has given FEMA a laundry list of needs.
    I’m reasonably sure that the richer folks from the Palm Beach area are safe and secure in their French Riviera villas. Thank God, for private jets.

    • FDRliberal

      Tea Party governors love asking for federal help when they are not busy threatening secession.

      • Me not sure

        Meanwhile Flint, MI waits for safe water.

        • anna rampage

          We happily send billions in aid to Israel, mostly military..

          Flint, not so much…

          It would be a grand world if the US did as much for the poor, starving, and disenfranchised as it did for its military allies…

    • JustDon’tSaySta-min-ah

      Matt sounds like a bridge-buster. Just get inland, y’all!

    • IMO The safety of fellow Wonkers is NEVER off topic.

      Here’s to BadKitty904

    • I’m in Daytona, and kind of scared. It’s looking like we’re going to have huge dangerous storm surges. I’m a native and have been through my share of hurricanes (plus lost everything in my house in that stupid no-name storm in 09 that flooded Daytona) but I’ve never seen something like this headed at us before.

      • Me not sure

        Good luck to you. Please keep us informed and we’ll keep you in our thoughts.

      • Master Contrail Program

        Best of luck from Tampa. Stay safe.

      • anna rampage

        Be safe and sane!

        Sending positive thoughts your way!

    • Serai 1

      He’s certainly ready to accept Federal help when it suits him, isn’t he?

      • Me not sure

        …as one will do.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Funny how the bloated, evil federal government ain’t so bad when it comes to a natural disaster (even though we know it’s really just Jesus punishing the gays).

        • Me not sure

          Orlando’s Pride Parade has already been blamed, and yet Key West, a perpetual pride parade is spared. Go figure.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            “Mysterious ways” etc. etc.

    • mml1996

      Stay safe Floridians!

  • FDRliberal

    In other news, Matt Drudge is telling his pinhead readers that Hurricane Matthew is a BIG LIBRUL CONSPIRACY!!! – generated in order to push the GLOBAL WARMING HOAX!!!

    Just make sure to bring yer umbrellas Drudge readers…that will help keep your hair dry and in place when you’re facing 140 mph winds.

    • georgiaburning

      Liberals control the weather- be very afraid!!

      • FDRliberal

        Tea People 6pm: “COMMUNITY ORGANIZER O’BUMMER is WEAK and FECKLESS and in OVER HIS HEAD!!!”

        Tea People 7pm: “KING OBAMA is managing numbers CONSPIRACIES and CONTROLLING the WEATHER!!!”

        • cat cafe

          Hillary is a weak, failing invalid who can’t walk five feet! Hillary murders everyone who looks at her sideways! Hillary is a stupid female who knows nothing! Hillary is a cunning dastardly mastermind who will lead us into world war and singlehandedly deposes vicious despots!

          • Gregory Brown

            Finally, Hillary is unmasked!

      • John D. Wiser

        If it were true, they’d have already taken out Texas.

      • idiotboy

        Yup,
        That is why we have an enormous drought in CA. We did this to shove the global warming hoax down everybody’s throats with chemtrails and radio telescopes and surfing and you know, liberal things.
        Then we burn up, collect that FEMA money, and will become the 7th largest economy in the world.
        What’s that?

    • Serai 1

      Hmm… If TEH LIBRULS!!! built a fan big enough to create a hurricane, wouldn’t somebody have noticed it by now?

      • Sister Artemis

        THAT’S HOW NEFARIOUS THEY ..er.. WE ARE!!!! YOU CAN’T EVEN SEE OUR SEKRET FAN!!!!!

    • anna rampage

      OMG, have you never heard of HARP up on Alaska?

      They can used microwaves in conjunction with Chem trails to make people hallucinate a full on hurricane and the aftermath…

      It’s kind of like the Matix, but the pod people are wrapped up in tinfoil, like a baked potato…

      • Me not sure

        “There’s an Alex Jones on line one. He says he wants his crazy back.”

    • Joe Beese

      I can never get Twitter links to work here. But go to twitter and dotcom and slash and then this:

      KBente95/status/784013538243117057/video/1

      Drudge needs to stand outside in that and blog his follow-up post.

      • mancityfooty

        If I knew I wouldn’t be hurt, I’d love to see a hurricane.
        I still have yet to see a tornado, even though there’s thunder here now.

        • PimentacoTX

          I’ve only been semi-close to a funnel cloud and it’s terrifying. I’ve watched enough of those storm chaser videos to be scared of tornadoes. Damn things are huge, and as loud and powerful as whilring locomotives. Also the path is pretty unpredictable, unlike hurricanes. I’ll take a hurricane over a tornado anyday. ( experienced katrina, dennis, and wilma in my first summer in south florida).

          • mancityfooty

            39 of my 42 years within a half hour of Missouri or Kansas and the only time I’ve ever seen a tornado was on tv. So close so many times (especially in Joplin), but never directly in harm’s way.

          • PimentacoTX

            I got family up that way. Y’alls winters are brutal.

          • mancityfooty

            Sometimes they’re easy. sometimes not.
            Right before Christmas in 2008, it was 50 some degrees around midnight. Then it snowed about 10″. I went to bed in late March in ’93 with the windows open only to wake up half way through the night freezing and wake up in the morning to 4-6″ of snow.
            The important saying up here is, “If you don’t like the weather, stick around. It will change.”

          • mancityfooty

            I’ve seen a couple of Texas pop up summer storms. Those are brutal. And the fire ants. Fuck those things.

          • PimentacoTX

            Heh, a desert summer storm is more common, and a powerful thing to behold. We have a weird geography/jet stream/science blah blah blah thing going on here…and it’s flat so you can see those big ominous dark grey bastards coming from miles away.

          • mancityfooty

            I was in San Marcos at the time.
            When I was in Hays, Kansas, there was a hill (IN KANSAS, I KNOW!) and a storm came in. You could see the clouds and the surrounding land for miles. So gorgeous.

          • PimentacoTX

            Yeah, things are a little different out our way. I lived in austin and all those hills and trees made for a different experience.

        • Juan de Fuca

          Been too damn close a tornado in Oklahoma. Believe it was a category 4 or whatever back in 2003. I did what some people say you should never do and packed my wife and then four yr old Miss de Fuca in the family car, attempting to outrun it on I-40 in Midwest City.

          Scariest moment of my life was seeing what that thing bear down on the back side of Tinker AFB (right off the I-40) and then everything going dark, visibility down to gnat’s ass and what sounded like shotgun pellets hitting our car, seeing other cars along the way which crashed along side of the highway. My wife is in tears, my knees are shaking (thinking I just made a decision that’s probably going to kill my family) and daughter is in the back seat with our two dogs, giggling away.

          • PimentacoTX

            I covered a tornado in a small Texas town back about a decade ago. I think the first thing I saw upon entering the area was a car flipped on its side. Spent the day there, houses torn down to literal pieces. And that was just the aftermath.

      • MissNomer
    • Zippy W Pinhead

      HEY! We don’t read that trash…

  • Astraea

    lol thank you whoever is moderating right now!

    • Pickle Truther (AntiDerpomeme)

      Woah, speedy mod’ing indeed.

    • anna rampage

      Uh oh, just got here and it sounds like a troll got loose…

      • Astraea

        Just the Baroque clock being weird again.

        • berkeleyfarm

          The block feature has been my friend!

          • Daisy

            The block feature truly is pleasant, on occasion.

  • Pickle Truther (AntiDerpomeme)
    • cat cafe

      Sam Bee said something just like this in her first show of this season. It’s so true.

    • Serai 1

      THANK YOU FIVE MILLION TIMES

  • Big Puppy

    Amen. (Despite the fact that I’m an atheist.)

  • Blacktop Cadence

    Just a little joke for all the East Coasters.

    What’s the difference between how the East Coast and the Midwest prepare for storms? The East Coast prepares for days and orders evacuations, and the Midwesterner, after the storm, walks outside with a befuddled look and says “Didn’t even know it was gonna rain today.”

    Stay safe. :-)

    • Marion in Savannah

      Thanks, but at least we can prepare. You midwestern folks don’t get any too much warning when a tornado waltzes into town and takes away half of it.

    • mancityfooty

      damn weather channel fooled me agin!

  • btwbfdimho

    Homework: Everybody should watch the Frontline production about the candidates (Johnson and Stein unaccounted on purpose).
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/investigation/election-2016/

    • anna rampage

      I love Frontline, they did a great piece on Hillary and Trump a couple weeks ago that was eye opening…

      Everyone (read same people) knows Donald’s a jackass, and they exposed a lot in depth stuff I have never seen before.

    • Sister Artemis

      Yep, i was hawking that link earlier on some Wonker thread, maybe this one.

      I’m hoping they’ll do a whole segment on just her.

    • YetAnotherRebecca

      I’ve been hearing nothing but wonderful things about it and have a night in to myself tonight. Thanks for the link….settling in to watch now….

      ….and at just a couple minutes in, they are playing the footage of President Obama just crushing his little orange ego to dust at the 2011 WHCD. I forgot how goddamn beautiful that was, especially with the revelation the next morning that he was ALSO killing Bin Laden at the same time. I’d like to see Trump have the attention span and focus for multi-tasking THAT hardcore!

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Saw it. It was unsparing, but fair. She’s a complicated, highly decent person. Also found out Trump was a fucking psychopath. Who knew???

  • Joe Beese

    A New York Times reporter, describing being caught in Hurricane Andrew:

    The motel manager, an ex-Navy man, persuaded everyone to move to the motel’s north side because he knew the winds would shift after the eye passed. He very likely saved our lives.

    We didn’t know the wind around us was punching at 165 miles an hour. But we could feel its power. We ran from room to room with our hurricane friends. In one room, the ceiling started to crack, crumble or fly off in chunks. Just as the ceiling threatened to collapse, the door wouldn’t open. The pressure had sealed it shut. We were trapped.

    Nine of us crowded into the bathroom. We heard a boom. Something nearby had exploded. Water started leaking into the bathroom. One man crawled under the sink. A few people stood in the bathtub. Someone cried. One woman, panic in her voice, shouted for air. Everyone pressed together. We prayed out loud. Don and another man struggled to hold up the sagging ceiling. Plaster tumbled. Everything talked to us — the toilet and ceiling, the pipes and the walls. We tried the door again, but it still wouldn’t yield.

    That’s when we heard an even more frightening sound — the freight-train rumble all around us. After what felt like an eternity, the door opened and we dashed to Room 240. The manager was there with a few other guests. The ceiling seemed secure. Still shaking, we exhaled. Dawn approached, and with it the storm gradually began to subside.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/07/us/hurricane-matthew-andrew-florida.html

    • rebecca

      jesus

      • Gregory Brown

        Tornadoes are massive destruction on a tight schedule. Hurricanes take their time, and destroy things while shrieking for hours on end.

    • PimentacoTX

      I take back what I said below about hurricanes. Good lord.

    • tza

      I remember the Opal evac. We went to bed when it was supposed to be a Category 1. The dog woke my mom up to be let out a bit before midnight (odd for him) ad she turned on the news for kicks. Cat 5. We and all our friends were ready to leave at dawn, which put us a bit ahead of the rest but not much. We ended up under the fringes of the storm on the highway. There were tornadoes ahead of us. I was in the minivan with the other kids (my parents’ SUV was used to haul everyone’s stuff). We were in a sort of blanket fort in the back row. I was freaking out since my folks weren’t in the car with me (I was only 4) and one of my friends was just reading Giving Tree out loud over and over to stay calm. It was scary and felt like it went on forever. I don’t even need to close my eyes to see that packed highway, the gray skies, and the tornadoes up ahead. It’s seared into my brain.

    • SayItWithWookies

      We don’t get them at their worst here in Richmond, VA, but some of ’em still get pretty bad. Isabel in 2003 was the roughest I remember — the wind just constantly howling, looking out the window and seeing huge oaks and maples whipping around like blades of grass, and every few minutes the snap and splinter of a limb or trunk. The next morning was bright and clear, and (having been caught at a friend’s house overnight) it took me two hours to get to my block, which is normally fifteen minutes away. Testament to Isabel’s strength, every street was blocked with one or more trees, and a few days afterwards I drove past a wooded hill and was astonished to see half the trees lying down all pointing the same direction.

    • Pinkham’s Law

      I lived in Myrtle Beach when Hugo blew the state away. Second floor condo unit, maybe 3/4 mile in from the beach. I wanted to leave, my boyfriend wanted to stay. We stayed. He had second thoughts when the City Gov’t announced that the City records were being moved inland, all services – including Police, Fire and ambulance – were suspended, and the power grid was being disconnected in 15 minutes. Wind was already too high to leave in a car, so we stayed. Darkest night I’ve ever seen. I remember green lightning and wind roaring so loudly, and shaking the building so much, we thought there were waves breaking against the building.

      In the morning, we went down to the beach, before they had cordoned it off. I remember the beachfront high rise hotels, with every window blown out and every room swept clean.

      Then we drove to Charleston to touch base with his family & friends. I remember us driving under a low hanging power line that would have taken out the windshield if it had been 6 inches lower, and a 50 foot shrimp boat in the median near McClellanville, half a mile or more inland from the Bay. Mile after mile of the Francis Marion Nation Forest with every tree snapped of about 15 feet up.

      I don’t stay for hurricanes anymore.

      • Good plan. Don’t do that

      • Catstro

        My husband lived on Lake Marion and the eye went directly over their house. I asked him if he thought they were going to die he said no, but only because the worst of it happened when he was asleep. Other than losing half their trees, his family was unscathed, but he knew a lot of people that lost their homes. They were out of school for over a month. Hugo was crazy too because it came so far inland. My extended family lives in far northwestern NC (like, some of them have never even seen the ocean), and my grandparents lost a whole mountainside of trees to the storm. My aunt went into labor with my baby cousin, and the wind was so bad they barely made it to the hospital in one piece and had a hard time getting out of the car once they were there because of the wind (mountain roads + tropical storm winds are apparently scary as shit). Charlotte got hit bad, too, lots of tornados in addition to the storm iirc. I lived about an hour north of Charlotte and I remember waking up and looking out the window, and the trees looked like they were bending in half. We had some downed trees and power lines. We were out of school for three days, but one of my friends didn’t have power for over a week and she was PISSED because she had to come to school with flat hair (it was normally big, and the effect was hilarious—kind of like seeing a wet cat). Luckily, that’s the most experience I’ve had with a hurricane.

        I live in central NC now, and depending on the path we’ll get nothing or just enough wind and rain to bring down some trees and power lines (I live in a neighborhood with big old trees and old infrastructure, it doesn’t take much). Good luck to everyone in the direct path of the storm.

  • mml1996

    ‘nother OT – PPP(D) has Hillz up 1 point in Ohio ib both 4 way races and 2 way races…

    Ideally, it should be up 10 pts in Ohio, but….

  • Land Shark with a Vagenda

    Hmmmm …. it’s Thursday. Wasn’t Wikileaks supposed to take a huge dump release all the evidence that will sink Hillary today?

    • DainBramage

      Maybe someone got ahold of Julian’s winkie flash drive and hit it with a hammer.

    • mancityfooty

      that was a for profit thing in that they pushed their anniversary and a book
      see also: Capone’s vault

      • Oooo, are we shipping Geraldo to stay with Assange in the Embassy? Those two deserve each other

        • mancityfooty

          I honestly don’t know if I would wish one on the other, or vice versa.

        • Astraea

          Wait, we’re shipping Geraldo/Assange?

          I’m not sure I can get on board with this, because I don’t like to vomit.

          • I was going with shipping in the ” drill holes in the crate so he can breathe” sense

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          They’re both kind of creepy/rapey, aren’t they?

          • And wrong all the time!

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            There’s 30 year old graffiti in the men’s room of a certain bar in Tucson that mentions when “Jerry Rivera” went to the UofA in the 60s. Quote: “He was a dickhead then”.

        • Catstro

          Every time (literally, every time) I hear Geraldo mentioned I hear the Beastie Boys rapping “yo, why you’d throw that chair at Geraldo Rivera?”

        • PimentacoTX

          They did both disseminate classified military info.

    • SayItWithWookies

      Hey, speaking of things that are past due — remember when Donald Trump went to Detroit and spoke to an almost-empty black church and was interviewed by the pastor except all the questions and answers were decided in advance, so the pastor promised to come up with some new questions and the interview was supposed to be aired the week after? Whatever the hell happened to that?

      • PimentacoTX

        “Put it on that stack of similar shit over there” – The Media.

  • Thanx for this post Trix. Anyone who has anything but shitferbrains ought to know this already but with this electorate they need to be reminded.

    • Land Shark with a Vagenda

      The 21% supporting Trump are the shitferbrains.

  • Blackest Noobs

    come on gang let’s get in a 111 more posts….so we can have 666 posts on this discussion proving Hillary is Devil Sent…oh wait we don’t want that, right?

    or do we??????? bwhwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha and ha

  • Master Contrail Program

    The sky has the weird greenish tint that heralds a big storm, whether one is near the coast or the heartlands. And this is on the opposite coast from landfall. Stay safe and best wishes Atlantic coasters.

  • MissNomer

    663

    • Sister Artemis

      837
      should have read on…

      • 8675309

        • Blacktop Cadence

          You’re the goddamn devil.

          • Nah. I would bang him though. Like a screen door in a hurricane

          • mancityfooty

            too soon

          • I got skillz

        • Astraea

          4 8 15 16 23 42

          • Juan de Fuca

            I need to play that number one of these days…

          • cousin itt

            No, just don’t.

        • Kavefish

          “Uh… 6060-842?”

          “And I’m waiting for youuuu!!!”

      • PimentacoTX

        heh, i was gonna add 5309, but wasn’t sure if that’s where you were going.

      • cousin itt

        25 or 6 to 4?

        • smr06va

          Pi.

          • Jonny On Maui

            e.

    • Redgyal

      O_o

    • DainBramage

      29A(hex)

    • UnsaltedSinner

      I was told there would be no math.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    Never a Hillary-hater, but I admit I signed on for Bernie…..for about 15 minutes. When I found out how Hillz smothered Scalia with that pillow, it reminded me of the kind of girls I run with. I’ve been a fan ever since.

    • Vecchiojohn

      A president needs to know how to cut a bitch when a bitch needs cutting.

  • smr06va
    • Rick Hill

      He’s looking pretty tired, almost like like you can see the stink lines f of ail has coming off him.

      • smr06va

        He’s insulting the media (John King) and talking about all the polls that are showing him winning and turning CO red??!!??….LMAO

        • Rick Hill

          Yeah. I just heard him say he talked to Pence about the debate, he was happy he did so well and then they talked, he said he gave Pence some pointers….then he claimed Hillary is at home resting so she has energy for the debate. Never has someone tried so hard to paint every step by their opponent as this guy has,

          • smr06va

            He just quoted the wrong figure on vet suicide AGAIN! He keeps saying 22 when it is 20. He has no plans at all really for Vets.

          • smr06va

            If this mickey mouse “Town Hall” is any indication, Hilz is gonna slaughter him on Sunday nite!!!!!

      • Land Shark with a Vagenda
  • IdRatherBeDancing

    I have long had a crush on her since she told all the people “Fuck you, I ain’t sitting around baking cookies.” And what did she do, she went out a baked cookies and won that lame Good Housekeeping contest over Babs Bush!!

  • Rick Hill

    I get a little under the weather and I, just, what the hell!? Why is people talking about Hillary writing off her underwear?
    Also, trump doing magic tricks(right click and open in a new window so you don’t go off page)
    http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/avnKend_700b.jpg

    • anna rampage

      I hear Hillary’s dirty underwear is fetching $895 dollars per pair on Ebay, at least according to Rob Morrow

  • PimentacoTX

    “”If a direct landfall occurs, this will be unlike any hurricane in the modern era,” said the National Weather Service’s Jacksonville office in a forecast discussion.”

    Jeebus, I didn’t realize it was THAT bad. That’s what I get for spending all day in the comments – which are n’t allowed.

    • There’s weather? I choose to live in a hamster ball

      • Rick Hill

        I make my own reality and it doesn’t include being affected by anything I don’t want to be affected by. Oh, wait, I’m not republican. Shoot

    • jowgajen

      It’s ugly. It’s really strong and about to hit highly populated areas that are completely flat and close to sea level for MILES.

      • anna rampage

        The only positive is that one of Donald Trump’s “resorts” is likely to be taken out…

        Perhaps god is trying to contact us?

        • jowgajen

          Eh that’s just going to hurt the people who work there, he has minimal exposure.

          • mancityfooty

            “no, you can’t go home now! It’s just a shower!”

          • anna rampage

            I know, it was a snarky joke along the lines of Pat Robertson, or Tony Perkins…

        • SayItWithWookies

          Pfff — he’ll end up making money off it.

      • PimentacoTX
  • anna rampage

    Mattel has finally come out with “Conspiracy Theory Mr Potato Head’.

    It’s a new fun kit for boys and girls that includes an informative
    pamphlet which covers; the history of Roswell & Area 51, the JFK
    assassination, aliens controlling the White House, Chemtrails, that
    vaccines cause autism, and that Ben Ghazi is really Hillary Clinton’s email evading,
    personal assassin…

    http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac100/Ben-Gahzi/Mr%20Potato%20head_zpsrqx7to6h.jpg

    • YetAnotherRebecca

      I was confused for a second because the picture hadn’t yet loaded.

      And then it did.

      And then I actually laughed out loud. Thank you :)

      Now back to that Frontline documentary.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      The new Chemtrail Barbie will be in stores for the War On Christmas.

      • cousin itt

        My kid likes the anti-vaxx Barbie who gets red spots all over her body, heats up like a Samsung phone and then starts to melt.

        • anna rampage

          Ten thousands likes!

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          At least it will never mysteriously turn into Autistic Barbie.

          • anna rampage

            Yeah, you’ll need a crystal hula hoop so that they can circle jerk in the light for that one… ;)

        • mancityfooty

          don’t take her out of the box unless the whole house has had their shots!

          • cousin itt

            Buy them now for Columbus Day!

          • anna rampage

            You’re on fire this evening!

      • anna rampage
        • alwayspunkindrublic

          It’s been reissued as Rehab Barbie.

  • Joe Beese

    It weirds me out that the hurricane is advancing at only 13 miles per hour. A fit adult male could literally outrun it over short distances.

    On the other hand, the adult male couldn’t blow air at 130 miles per hour. So score one for the hurricane there.

    • mancityfooty

      oh, wait, you said “fit”

      • Joe Beese

        Yeah, I made sure of that.

        I ain’t outrunning shit.

    • Me not sure

      You have a really novel take on hurricanes. I
      like that.

      • cousin itt

        A Portrait of the Hurricane as a Donald Trump

    • Me not sure

      You have a really novel take on hurricanes. I like that.

    • cousin itt

      Have you seen Chris Christie blow when Donald is around?

  • PimentacoTX

    OT: Roy finds another fun nugget, sorry for wall o’ text (look, Im’ caffeinated and avoiding work, you have to take the bad me with the fun me!)

    “wingnut blowhard and Congressional sore loser Allen West was slated to speak at St. Louis University and, as part of his pre-show publicity, told his followers “Folks, I’ve just been CENSORED” because his operatives “were not allowed to use the words ‘radical Islam’ on any advertisements for the event.” And isn’t that what John Peter Zenger fought for — the right to control collateral materials for his upcoming speaking engagements at a private college? West further raved:
    I along with the [Young America’s Foundation] activists will not back down from this challenge. And if this is just a case of ill-conceived political correctness, we’ll rectify that. But, if this is a case of the influence of stealth jihad radical Islamic campus organizations such as the Muslim Student Association, an affiliate of the Muslim Brotherhood, then you will be exposed. And I recommend to the President of St. Louis University, you do not want it known that a radical Islamic organization is dictating speakers on your campus — that is not the type of PR you really want.

    To recap: Because his hosts won’t have “radical Islam” on the flyers for his speech, West accused its Muslim student association of “jihad” and threatened to denounce SLU as enablers thereof. In West’s world of perpetual grievance that’s what fills seats — and also empties them, it would seem, because when it came time for West to speak a huge segment of the audience walked out.

    http://alicublog.blogspot.com/

    • Blacktop Cadence

      West is just a sadistic motherfucker, period. That whole torture business? Stomach turning.

      I live right across the Big Muddy from SLU, and, frankly, good on them. Private university is private, West. They don’t have to take your shit.

    • mancityfooty

      Allen West is a winner!
      No, wait. The opposite of that,
      dumb as a rock.
      in before “rock libels!”

  • Me not sure

    Mar a Lago may in fact be very much in the path of this monster . The irony of this may be as to whether Trump has Federally Subsidized Flood Insurance on that property.

    • Land Shark with a Vagenda

      Him and Governor Ratface will be at the FEMA office first thing.

      • mancityfooty

        at this point, it should be FEMA camps.
        Thanks Obama.

    • Blacktop Cadence

      He’ll trick someone into paying for it. Likely just stiff the company repairing it and whoever is dumb enough to pony up the advance.

      • Me not sure

        “Anyone cancelling a reservation will be charged the full price.”

  • Keersten Kassab
    • dshwa

      Nope.

    • mancityfooty

      better chances than Stein, I’ll give him that.

      • dshwa

        Just as batshit if he buys libertarian economic policy. As devoid of fact as Stein’s antivax nonsense

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Interesting that Ron Paul has endorsed Jill Stein and pointedly not endorsed the Libertarian Party candidate.

      Apparently it’s all about the grift there, and who benefits from it.

  • Keersten Kassab
    • Blacktop Cadence

      You do realize that spam has an insane amount of sodium in it, don’t you?

      • therblig

        Sodium
        Pig
        Anus
        Meat

        it’s right there in the name

    • dshwa

      Thanks, but I prefer my economic policy based on something besides bad fiction written by a sociopath.

    • doktorzoom

      No spamming, please. This is your only warning.

      — Dok Zoom, Yr Friendly Neighborhood Comments Moderator

      • Keersten Kassab

        How is this considered spamming?

  • Vecchiojohn

    Go back to Aleppo, silly person.

  • Juan de Fuca

    I’ve always thought Hillary Clinton is a very good person. Have always liked her and have a ton of respect for her as a person. Even as a Presidential candidate, fully support her and believe she’ll do a good job. Have disagreed on occasion but way beyond the topic of the post. She is a very good person.

    But as everybody knows, she is coming to take our guns. She just is. AOT,K.

    And after that, the next logical step would be to take peoples camouflaged trucks because everbody knows that anyone who owns a gun, owns a camouflaged truck. So I did some research (you’re welcome) and found a killer deal on Craigslist for a sweet camouflaged ’84 Silverado. Take advantage of the deal before she gets elected and the price of camouflaged ’84 Silverados skyrockets!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6533fa78cd33e8a3ba6c48d66d93a59c3c414d9bac31005f02b16164cbbda4ef.jpg

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Wait, I thought Obama already took them?

      • Juan de Fuca

        No. He just raised the priced of them so that the average Joe the Plumber had to choose between taking his family on a vacation or spending $2K on an AR-15 and they went with the AR-15 because they were going to be special edition collector items one day or because people were just batshit crazy.

        • cousin itt

          It’s getting so bad, you have to sell meth just to afford ammo.

          • Jonny On Maui

            And that’s even if you reload…

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          Fortunately, in AZ you can do both! Go on vacation AND have the kiddies shoot an AK. It’s where dreams come true. What could possibly go wrong?!

          • Juan de Fuca

            Ugghh…still too soon for that one. That was horrible. Fucking horrible. Not your comment (was very true and spot on) but what those parents and the gun range trainer allowed.

            Hope that little girl grows up ok. RIP to the gun range trainer also. But damn dude. An UZI? RIP.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            I know. We can only pray that this little girl’s brain shuts that memory out for the rest of her life, or she’s bound for problems. Thanks, mom and dad. Also like to think it would be a teachable moment for this country, but what the fuck am I even talking about?

          • Juan de Fuca

            Indeed. Felt horrible for that little girl.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            She’s the only one I felt horrible for. I guess the instructor too…his severe lack of judgement shouldn’t have cost him his life.

          • Juan de Fuca

            No doubt. A 9 yr old should not be firing a fucking UZI. I did teach my daughter how to shoot when she was about 14, even bought her a .22 rifle that year, a rifle I still keep in my bedroom, with the bolt removed from it and with a trigger lock. Because that’s similar to what the NRA used to believe in also.

            A 9 yr old with an Uzi. FFS. Was she even 9 yet? I forget. That was tragic.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            I guess I though it was something even more powerful and lethal…not that an Uzi isn’t bad enough. I’m not a gun owner, but I mostly don’t care if others are. A few of my cousins are big hunters, a lot of friends own guns. But like most people, a little common sense, for the love of God!

          • Juan de Fuca

            There might not be many things more lethal for a 9 yr old than a full-auto uzi. A Barrett .50 cal would make her shoulder hurt (and would also be dangerous and child abuse, in my book) but it wouldn’t spin around firing 600 rounds per minute at the guy who was helping her to fire it. It would be like handing a circular saw and a block of wood to a four year old and telling them to have at it.

      • Spotts1701

        He forgot – you know how it goes when you don’t make a list ahead of time.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    Potential natural catastrophe bearing down on Florida. I say it’s a good time to give serious thought to the Republican desire to drown the federal government in the bathtub. What say you, congressional wingnuts?

    • anna rampage

      What, the State of Florida doesn’t have the means of the federal govt to help put all the pieces back together again?

      Libertarian libelz!

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Heckuva job, Brownie!

        • anna rampage

          Just wait until you see the news reports of of a Scott administration…

          Though he might take a special interest seeing that the east coast of FL is their main money maker in regards to their pill mills..

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            What will Rush go without his hillbilly heroin?

          • anna rampage

            Nah, he can always take a trip down to Costa Rica and pick it up without a prescription…

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            He prefers the underage hookers in the D.R.

          • Land Shark with a Vagenda

            He prefers the underage boy hookers in the D.R.

            FTFY

    • PimentacoTX

      Just checked in with the Miami buddy. He said they got typical south florida rains and some wind. Here’s hoping the rest of Florida and the SE gets the same.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Unfortunately, it’s aimed a little farther north. My FLA friends are all on the Redneck Riviera across the state.

        • Juan de Fuca

          Just heard on CNN that Jacksonville is bracing for what could be the worst storm since 18-eighty-something. No bueno.

    • I vote for drowning Rick Scott in the bathtub.

      With votes. Hurricane votes.

  • Kavefish

    I’ve always liked Hillary because it seemed clear she was always aimed in the direction of helping other people.

    During this election cycle I first heard her say she was more comfortable with the “service” part than the “public” part of public service, and it was an “of course” moment of clarity that finally put into words how I perceived her to be.

    To see and hear about how closely and unstintingly she connects with people when there are no cameras around puts a lump in my throat at times. If she is not elected come November I feel we will have squandered a rare opportunity.

    • jowgajen

      And also possibly have finally destroyed American democracy. No biggy.

      • Kavefish

        Yes. It’s the little things that count.

  • Vecchiojohn

    Hillary doesn’t smoke dope. Vote Johnson!!

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Gary “why do you think they call it dope” Johnson.

    • mancityfooty
      • Vecchiojohn

        I’ve seen the light! Hallelujah!

        Thanks!

    • anna rampage

      I’d bet Hitlery has smoked dope at some point in her life…

      I mean her husband is the first black president that was elected after all…

      • Jonny On Maui

        I wonder if that’s true? Has anybody ever asked her?

        • anna rampage

          She just puffed but never inhaled…

          • Jonny On Maui

            Thought that was Bill. And to Bill, “Yeah, right *eyeroll*”

    • revenant

      Drumpff don’t need no dope. He exemplifies the concept.

  • Suse

    The wingnuts are going, well, nuts over the child actress telling Hillz about body-shaming at her school. Is she really an actress and the daughter of a Dem politician? I have a headache and don’t feel like researching. Anybody know the true story?

    • PimentacoTX

      Well, these are the same group of people arguing over whether the NWS’s estimates of Matthew’s windspeed are a fraud. Oh yeah, and who think Sandy Hook was a fake.

      Now I”m getting a headache.

    • anna rampage

      1st amendment protections….

      ” I should be able to shame whomever I like without any negative feedback from the masses”

      ‘You call me a bigot? I’ll sue you, just like Donald Trump!”

      • mancityfooty

        your intolerance of my intolerance is intolerable!

        • anna rampage

          Amen!

    • YoBunnyBunny

      Don’t know about actress, but this source says she is the daughter of a Dem https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/teenage-girl-explains-dangers-of-body-shaming-to-hillary-clinton-i-see-with-my-own-eyes-the-damage-a7346496.html%3famp

      Not sure what the wing nuts are working themselves up into a grease-larger about… aside from the usual bullturd about PC Culture and Hillz is using their words to make them look deplorable… Eh, fuck ’em, says I.

      • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

        Shit has improved from 1997 but not by much. Of course kids are still influenced by what adults around them say. UGH

        https://youtu.be/2A1VhtcDYNQ

      • Astraea

        RIGGED!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Villago Delenda Est

      My wingnut sister just ranted to me about this. She’ll believe anything escaped mental patient Alex Jones tells her.

  • PimentacoTX

    Because of course he does:

    “Trump Has A History Of Politicizing Election-Season Hurricanes”

    TPM kind of buried the interesting bits:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-politicizing-hurricanes-tweets

  • Spotts1701

    Wait, is Trump saying he took it easy on Hillary Clinton ’cause she’s a GURL?!?

    https://twitter.com/CNN/status/784193709881581568

    • Shangenda of Shanocide

      You can put as much gold-tinted spray paint on as you want to it but it’s STILL the gutter and you LIVE in it.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        All the upfists.

        • Shangenda of Shanocide

          I’m cranky this week….mrmph

          • Land Shark with a Vagenda

            We like cranky.

          • revenant

            like, hell, this is Cranky R Us, here. this is our balcony, the articles are our Muppet Show.

    • BMW

      Sunday’s debate is gonna be *awesome*.

    • therblig

      he doesn’t have a ladder to make the climb?

    • Pinkham’s Law

      “I didn’t like getting into the gutter.” FFS, this guy LIVES THERE!!!!!

      ETA: Shoulda read downthread.

    • DainBramage

      The gutter is far more exposed than the rat-filled sewer he normally inhabits.

  • mancityfooty

    not to take away from the people in Florida, but
    you know when the lightning is so close you see the flash and hear the thunder at the same time? yeah, I jumped.

    • Shangenda of Shanocide

      We got crazy green skies, torrential rain, then sunspots and a rainbow. I know this because my daughter made me go out in it to take her new cosplay Halloween costume wig over to our hairdresser to….fix. My life is weird right now.

      And you’re getting the storm that just passed us.

  • TJ Barke

    Any attacks by roving bands of trolls?

    • mancityfooty

      there might still be some stein/johnson supporters on that article.

      • TJ Barke

        I meant here, specifically.

        • mancityfooty

          not that I’ve seen, just one weak one.

        • Shangenda of Shanocide

          I felt the urge to joke-troll but I’m really not up to expending the energy. Sorry.

          Let’s just check Netflix instead.

          • mancityfooty

            I really need to find another show to go to sleep on. the four Futurama movies are getting repetitive

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            Do you have Hulu? Try Deadbeat. It’s a gross-disgusting hoot and it doesn’t matter if you fall asleep because you can always rewind and/or catch up by the next dick joke.

          • PimentacoTX

            Misfits on Hulu is /was also fun, for the first 2 or 3 seasons at least.

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            Yeah, I loved Misfits for the first few seasons while the crazy Irish guy was on it. After that, not so much…

          • TJ Barke

            I’ve been watching old episodes of Forensic Files.

          • PimentacoTX

            iZombie, season 2 dropped today.

          • mancityfooty

            *adds to ever increasing queue*

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            I feel your pain.

          • PimentacoTX

            Yeah shan, you got TWD and Penny Dreadful homework to do! You need to focus…kidding.

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            Yeah, I’m awful. I still haven’t finished watching Big Lebowski.

          • mancityfooty

            *sighs bigly*

          • mancityfooty
          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            That looks a bit…threatening…

          • mancityfooty
          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            See, I didn’t even realize you were supposed to be that guy from that movie!

            *hides in shame*

          • PimentacoTX

            I’ve been waiting for it forever. It was on hulu, but episode 1 had already expired when I checked, so I had to wait out hte whole season.

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            SQUEEE!!!!

          • mancityfooty

            started

    • dshwa

      We had a visit from a Johnson supporter down thread, but it was just a quick spam drop and out. Flyby trolling. Boring.

      • TJ Barke

        Sad!

        • dshwa

          Very weak.

          • therblig

            low energy

    • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

      I’m going to finally kick around the new star dew valley update!

      • TJ Barke

        I haven’t been on SDV for probably months…

        • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

          NEW UPDATE! DIVORCES! NEW MAPS! AND THINGS!

          • TJ Barke

            But I love Leah…

          • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

            You don’t have to get divorced silly! Although I marred the doctor guy and he is so boring. Evidently Shane is the new hotness now so I am going to redo my farm.

      • RobKanC

        The new update broke the cheat program i was using so need to install a patch for that before I play. Maybe this weekend, i might

        • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

          CHEATER CHEATER PUNKIN EATER!

          Why you cheats for?

          • RobKanC

            Lol. I just use the cheats for iridium mining in the desert mine. They are so hard to come by. I don’t use that for any other things.

  • Villago Delenda Est

    So, anyone heard anything from Julian Assange? No new October informercial surprise today?

    • Sister Artemis

      He publishing a book. I’m sure Team Hillz are quaking in their boots *yawn*

      • Shangenda of Shanocide

        Publishing a book? In conjunction with Roosh V?

        • mancityfooty

          one writes and the other just makes grunting noises?

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            Engh…ew….

          • dshwa

            Which is which is the question.

          • mancityfooty

            trick question, both of them

    • Juan de Fuca

      He released something from the Farmers Almanac warning of a severe storm on the east coast.

  • Saxo the Grammarian

    So when at times the mob is swayed
    To carry praise or blame too far,
    We may choose something like a star
    To stay our minds on and be staid.
    — Robert Frost

    Hillary is a star.

  • bubbuhh

    Hurricane Trump says 70 percent of federal regulations ‘can go’

    “We are cutting the regulation at a tremendous clip. I would say 70 percent of regulations can go,” Trump said. “It’s just stopping businesses from growing.”

    His campaign has been trying to walk teh pruning back to 10% cuz joking.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-regulations-idUSKCN12629R

    • Blacktop Cadence

      I look forward to my rat feces filled hamburgers.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Don has a plan to insure that happens.

        • Blacktop Cadence

          He only sells the best meat. Beautiful, high quality hamburgers. Hardly any gerbil meat at all.

          • Suse

            I wondered why his “steaks” were so tiny.

          • anna rampage

            Capitalism, and a low self esteem…

          • Suse

            Gerbils don’t have much meat on ’em.

      • anna rampage

        As long as they’re charred to an inch of their life, you shouldn’t experience any significant side effects…

        • Blacktop Cadence

          Sounds like my dad. He has shit taste in meat. Even likes his steak well done. Gross.

          • Spotts1701

            Why would anyone ruin a beautiful cut of beef by charring it to a blackened husk? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4dff7c24143434312575f40817e68f102ab3d7424abcc5a7d887870f2296f1bb.gif

          • Blacktop Cadence

            I don’t know. I grew up on it, and my stepmom won’t eat anything pink.

            In college I discovered the realm of medium and medium rare, and they look on in disgust as I use a piece of bread to sop up the delicious juice on the rare occasion we eat steak.

          • Jonny On Maui

            It cooks all the meat out.

          • Kavefish

            Safe for vegetarians, then!

        • cousin itt

          You first.

      • therblig
    • Astraea
    • BMW

      “He never said that.”

      -Mike Pence

  • Suse

    No Rachel tonight – just lyin’ Brian yapping about the hurricane. Time to change the channel.

    • Suse

      Ooh – Rob & Chynna is on! My life is complete.

    • Astraea

      damn. I usually watch it the next morning when I’m getting ready for work. Way to ruin my Friday morning, MSNBC!

      • Suse

        :-(

        • Astraea

          I’m sure I can put on something better.

          • crisptickle

            try Amy Goodman to lift your spirits

  • The DeplorableDemmeVagenda

    I hope all you Florida Wonkers and your loved ones stay safe!!
    (Maybe Mar-a-Lago will bear the brunt of the storm.)

    • Suse

      I would fucking love that to happen. Winds so powerful, they strip the gold plating off everything!

      • Blacktop Cadence

        And all that gold lands in the backyard of a hard scrabble Hispanic immigrant family.

        • Suse

          Yes!

        • Kavefish

          That was a pretty good Firefly episode.

    • Astraea

      Hope the weird butler was allowed to leave.

      • Suse

        I think he’s one of the undead, so he’s safe.

        • Astraea

          I’m sure you’re right. Probably hiding out in the crypt.

  • Jonny On Maui

    Anybody seen or heard from BadKitty?

    • Suse

      Not today. Hope he’s out of harm’s way.

      • revenant

        thought he was around, first thing this a.m.- maybe it was late last night, though. sounded hopeful, anyway. let’s all be hopeful for him.

    • Astraea

      He was at a shelter. He was on for a while when he had access to a computer a few hours ago, but I think he’s helping do volunteer stuff.

      • Suse

        Oh, good.

      • Jonny On Maui

        Thank you Astraea! Why am I not surprised our BadKitty is a volunteer?

        • Suse

          He’s a stellar human being. Do you think the Drumpfs are volunteering? Bwahaha!

          • Jonny On Maui

            HAHAhaha!!

      • cousin itt

        He was at a shelter.

        I hope he gets adopted into a good home.

    • TJ Barke

      He replied to a post of mine 5 hours ago.

  • Apple Scruff

    My favorite thing so far this week is watching Mike Pence handing his balls over to Donald Trump — http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-quick-cuts/watch/pence-on-debate-some-people-think-i-won-779826243774

    “Some people think I won that debate…But from where I sat, Donald Trump won the debate.”

    I think someone got a stern talking to.

    • cousin itt

      Shorter Pence: Donald Trump is the wind beneath my wings and I am honored to be in his pole position.

    • BMW

      Raymond Shaw Donald Trump is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.”

      • cousin itt

        Dok Zoom libel, obv.

        • BMW

          Frank Sinatra libelz.

      • CATMAN

        Funny, he doesn’t look Manchurian

    • TJ Barke

      What a fucking pansy…

    • Me not sure
    • Jen B_VA

      Yes, Mike, he won….with his favorables plummeting.
      That is an actual win.

    • revenant

      he’s been the Koch brother’s bum boy for years, he knows the drill. kiss up, kick down. make the people below you in the hierarchy pay for the humiliation you have suffered at the hands of your own bosses.

  • Pinkham’s Law

    OK, I’m probably the only Wonkette who missed this, but I haven’t seen any mention of this particular example of No Fucks Left Obama: open letter to the American People at HuffPo.

    • Blacktop Cadence

      I really wonder if these assholes are gonna try to hold Hillz up for four years on this bullshit.

      I’ve got serious investment in SCOTUS right now with my being trans. Just so over these douches playing with the well being of folks like me — even if, thanks to Illinois — I’m not as in the line of fire.

      • Blacktop Cadence

        I’m a bit drunk, so I’ll qualify this. Illinois mandates trans health care be covered under any insurance plan in the state. So, when I got my HRT letter and saw an endocrinologist (in St. Louis, no less) the blood work was covered and a few days, after a review, HRT was too. I paid $81 for a month supply of estradiol (a synthetic estrogen) and spirolactone (a testosterone blocker), and was reimbursed by my insurance carrier after their approval.

        Given I’ll be switching to injections next month the costs would be even worse, and in most states this isn’t covered, but a new rule coming down next year for the ACA mandates some form of coverage (we’ll see how it shakes out). This is a pretty big deal because between surgeries and a lifetime of HRT the costs are astronomical.

        • Me not sure

          Best of luck on your journey.

          • Blacktop Cadence

            Thanks. :-) I do try to talk about it here. Besides the therapist, this is therapy too. The folks here are so awesome.

          • Me not sure

            I will be the token blusher tonight.

          • Jonny On Maui

            The folks here are amazing! You know you’re one of them too right?

          • Blacktop Cadence

            I do try. :-D

          • Tacoclamgenda

            I went from the high of hey Hillary to the depth of so what they’re Muslims and I am back on a big high and giddy with the happies. Transitioning is challenging enough but for the state to have your back for health care and financially is practically a miracle.
            I am so happy for you. Thanks for keeping us in the loop.

          • Suse

            Yes – wishing you good things and happiness.

        • so that’s IL law? and what does ACA say (i’m a chicago navigator and am very very interested in all of this).

          mazel tov!!!

          • Blacktop Cadence

            It is. I’m on medicaid, actually. I’m that unlucky asshole who got her teacher’s license in a year the state is broke (I’m currently moving it to Oregon) On a Harmony plan, btw, and with enrollment, I’d suggest them if you can swing it.

            I admit to feeling a bit bad about using Medicaid, but good lord I went back to school and cared for my dad at the same time until recently, It is what it is.

            But, yes, Illinois requires treatment for trans related medical care as far as I know. It can take pushing them, though. It might even require a dedicated staff, as I found at my endo. They adore me, they fight for me, and made sure I was covered.

          • Blacktop Cadence

            And the ACA seems opaque going forward. Honestly, if Trump wins don’t expect much. If Clinton wins, the rules as are will go into effect. What that means, since I’m not clear on it, I’m not sure. Some coverage in states not like our own? LIkely.

          • if clinton wins and obama is gone (his name is off obamacare) i suspect we will have incremental changes to the ACA.

            if trump wins… you know i can’t it’s too insane to think about.

            glad to know IL medicaid is doing it’s job. (-ish. they still piss me off on a daily basis)

          • Blacktop Cadence

            Haha, On IL medicaid, I agree. They assigned me a local GP. The guy is actually amazing. Imagine a skinny, bearded Muslim man who giggles at my absurd weight loss (I stopped depression-eating with therapy and HRT and have lost 40 pounds this summer), supports my trans status, but whose staff regularly calls me to reschedule confirmed appointments they didn’t mean to change and leave month long bruises when they draw blood.

            He’s good, the staff scares me, in other words. My endo in St. Louis is amazing, though.

          • The Witch of Endor

            Talk with the Practice Manager about what’s been going on with the appointment nonsense. As to the needle sticks, is it consistently done by one phlebotomist? If so, I’d speak to the Practice Manager about it in terms of competency rather than bigotry. However, if this happens regardless of who is drawing bloods, I’d make no bones about my suspicions. If the practice manager ignores you, then definitely talk with the doc. Keep notes on your communications and, if you decide to talk with the practice manager, go in with notes on what you want to discuss and use those notes if the practice manager ignores you.

          • revenant

            seconded- a clumsy phlebotomist is not something you should have to just put up with, and a bigoted one?!?. no_fucking_way

      • Pinkham’s Law

        Long, but a very good read.

  • Me The People

    Check out the unfathomable stupidity on display here:

    https://heatst.com/politics/hurricane-matthew-trump-florida/

    “As it turns out, Hurricane Matthew is heading straight for Mar-a-Lago, and President Obama isn’t doing anything to stop it.”

  • Zippy W Pinhead
    • Jonny On Maui

      And another free range loon gets jail for treatment…

      • yyyaz

        I miss the days of the Bull Goose Loonies. Nurse Ratched, not so much.

    • Astraea

      How dare you call this fine, upstanding citizen deplorable!

  • Pierre_de_Fermat

    Wishing all the best to Florida, and any coastal GA and SC Wonkers and their loved ones. Already have a few up here. At least they are getting off the islands.

    WRT Rebecca’s post: YEAH! Thanks, Rebecca,

  • Spotts1701

    You know things have gotten way out of whack when S.E. Cupp is the voice of reason.

    Katrina Pierson on immigrant ban: “So what? They’re Muslim!”

    https://twitter.com/RWTQuotes/status/784098759433216000

    • TJ Barke

      Sounded better in the original German.
      “Na und? Sie sind Juden!”

      • Bub the Leftwing Zombie

        Hell, the Waffen SS even had a unit that was mostly made up of Bosnian Muslims – the 13th Waffen SS Gebirgsjäger Division “Handschar.” I guess this means that in some ways the Trumpanzees are more bigoted than the Nazis.

        • Jonny On Maui

          Guess which unit was at the tip of the spear?

          • yyyaz

            Laff riot for the Kommandants.

        • revenant

          most of them deserted as soon as possible. they were more or less okay with fighting the Serbs, but whaddya mean, Russians?

    • Me not sure

      Pierson probably believes that the storm was caused by “radical Islamic terrorism.”

      • The Witch of Endor

        Nah, apparently it’s all about the gays and god sending punishment to Disney World, or something, I stopped listening about 2 seconds after hearing “the gays”.

        ETA: Pierson didn’t say this, the sentiment is getting a lot of play on the FaceBook and RWNJ sites.

        • Jen B_VA

          of course. Florida is being punished because of the gays.

          • revenant

            well, let’s be serious- who else in Florida as sinned?
            (snrk)

          • Jen B_VA

            Apparently the wingnuts are not at all suspicious that God always seems to punish gays in Red or red leaning states.
            Funny how God never hurricane punishes all the ghey in, say, San Fran.
            HUH.

    • Bub the Leftwing Zombie

      These people have no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I bet their brains even taste terrible.

      • TJ Barke

        They probably taste fine, there’s just not much there…

        • Bub the Leftwing Zombie

          *sigh* Maybe you’re right…I’ll grab some Ritz crackers and do a taste test. Oh, the sacrifices I make…

        • anna rampage

          Kind of like scramble eggs?

        • Me The People

          Those chronically unexercised Trumpian brains are probably like veal.

          • Amy!

            Fast forward to the future, when brain transplants have become possible. Salesman trying to entice a chary customer.

            Salesman: “We have some brilliant possibilities! Here, for instance, we have the brain of one of the architects of President Hillary Clinton’s campaign, last century!”

            Customer: “Oh, that’s impressive! How much?”

            Salesman: “$25,000 new dollars! It’s a steal!”

            Customer: “Well … yeah, but … what else do you have?”

            Salesman: “Ah, perhaps you’re more technically inclined? We have the brain of the chief physicist and director of the first Mars mission! Only $45,000 new dollars!”

            Customer: “Oh, that sounds great, and everything, but you don’t understand, it’s not that I’m more technical, it’s more that I’d like … I dunno, something unique. You know?”

            Salesman: “I have just the thing! The brain of a Trump voter, from the President Hillary Clinton’s first campaign. Poor fellow died of shock the day of the election and was iced down. Just $200,000 new dollars!”

            Customer: “Wait … what? Two hundred thousand? But you said the physicist was less than fifty? What’s up with that? Why’s this one so spendy?”

            Salesman: “Why? Well it should be obvious: it’s never been used!”

    • bubbuhh

      “So what? They’re Muslim.” Hurricane Katrina, jealous of the attention Hurricane Trump is getting, ups the mouthfarting.

    • Tacoclamgenda

      Here I was feeling all upbeat and happy about getting to vote for Hillary and how amazing she is and then WHAM, “So what, they’re Muslims.”

      • Daisy

        I’m weirdly okay even after spending an hour and a half hearing about Nazis, the Holocaust, and the capture and trial of Adolf Eichmann, but then again, I’ve already heard it all, with pictures to go along. And the picture were more brutal than the ones shown in class.

        • revenant

          just think- let Der Drumpffenfuhrer win, and we, too, can reenact those thrilling days of yesteryear, right here in the good old U.S. of A. makes you proud, don’t it?

      • Me The People

        Yup. Makes you think, huh?

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    Speaking of pro life nutjobs, guess who my keynote speaker is tonight?

    Let’s just say his nickname is Frothy…

    • anna rampage

      OMG, you get to see Rick in person?

      I hope you brought a bottle of J-lube to give to him…

    • Jonny On Maui

      Oh boy! It’s really too bad you’re a professional some times. And I mean that in the most honorable way.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        It’s why I drink heavily after load out…

        • Jonny On Maui
        • yyyaz

          I hope the cheap bastards are buying, even though I know from experience that has as much of a chance as a Slurpee in a parking lot in June in Phx.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            I got dinner, but we techs usually do our drinking far away from the clients

          • Jen B_VA

            The real reason the purists poo poo the drinking is because they are too skin flint to ever buy a round.

          • yyyaz

            LOL. Truth. Skol!

        • Barley_Brains

          You da man!

    • Suse

      Where are you?

      • Sounds like one of the circles of hell

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          pert much- I’ve done this show in previous years, it’s as bad as you’d imagine

          • Suse

            You could write a book on everything you’ve seen and heard over the years.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        corporate event in AZ for some radical pro lifers

        • Suse

          Mess with their microphones!

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            and give the crybabies an excuse? Nah, file it as reason 132283735739 why we’re better than them- because they would stoop to that

          • Suse

            Just kidding – kind of.

          • such the perfect answer. my money’s on dan’s BFF.

          • Me not sure

            I guess stink bombs are your only recourse then?

    • Master Contrail Program

      Are the seats covered in plastic?

    • Blacktop Cadence

      Weird question. Given the below comments, are you a musician?

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        yes, but this is my day job as a sound guy

        • Blacktop Cadence

          Nice. Just getting invested in actual music playing after being a record nerd for my 20s. :-D Seriously, I feel like I missed the boat here, even if only playing as an amateur.

          • TJ Barke

            It is satisfying to manage to pluck out a proper bass line.

          • Blacktop Cadence

            I’m actually considering both an investment in lessons and an actual rock guitar. I had a good friend help me find a beginner guitar a few weeks ago (We ended up with an Epiphone Les Paul) and a basic solid state amp. He says it’s a good start, but I automatically want his 2002 Gibson LP. Haha.

            So many of my favorite bands rock an LP or SG it’s insane. But, first, lessons.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Lots of Gibsons and Fenders in rock and roll, usually Les Pauls or SGs or Strats. Or get a Tele and play country music, lol

          • PimentacoTX

            I’m having fun with SG and Rocksmith.

            Try some different strings, I settled on the XL’s, they sound GREAT.

            http://rocksmith.ubisoft.com/rocksmith/en-us/home/

        • Me not sure

          Sound body or sound mind?

          • Jonny On Maui

            I think this is the only time I’ve seen a question posed like that around here where the answer, “Yes.” Really doesn’t cover it right…

          • Jen B_VA

            BOT,K?

        • Shoto

          Do you have all that fancy equipment with knobs that go up to 11?

    • TJ Barke

      How do we activate your manchurian protocols?

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        unmarked twenties…

        • yyyaz

          Damn. I was hoping that the Clevelands and Chases had been declared legal again.

        • Me not sure

          Will ten times as many twos do? I have lots of twos.

    • Me not sure

      Did you have to go through a metal detector? Just askin’.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        No, then again I’ve been here since yesterday

        • Me not sure

          Throw away all sharp objects, just to be on the safe side.

  • Jonny On Maui

    I really should know better…

    To all our friends touched by Matthew…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqX_0Hd6KEI

    • Suse

      Lovely.

    • Me not sure

      O, Lena! I would watch her eat crackers.

      • Shangenda of Shanocide

        I liked the interview I read where she explained how Max Factor had developed a special color of darker than her foundation for her to wear for a movie that she didn’t end up getting cast in and they “put it all over Eva Gardner”

        http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126666993

        • Me not sure

          You read about movies! Be still my heart.

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            Erm…I read about a lot of stuff. I don’t know what interest sent me down that specific rabbit hole, though. It’s been in my brain for quite a few years so I don’t know which dusty, moth-infested filing cabinet it came from.

          • Me not sure

            Seriously, I wouldn’t have minded “putting it all over ” Ms Gardner myself.
            She killed in “On The Beach”.

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            Sorry, that’s yet another cultural blank spot for me.

            I’m just visiting from another planet.

    • Thiazin Red

      There is an insane amount of talent on display in that movie.

  • Wild Cat

    My old ally Amy Goodman’s stock as a rational actor in political coverage ended this year. You don’t act as a “voice for the voiceless” by giving Jill Stein coverage when the nation is under threat from actual fascism. I wanted Pacifica and some old Leftist media to survive, but now I think it has to be redeveloped with rational, realistic actors. (And PS: Thomas Frank can go fuck his mother.)

    • anna rampage

      Amy is a good chicken.

      It’s a matter of ideals vs pragmatism…

      • Wild Cat

        Looking back, quite honestly, I should have supported Utrice.

        Sorry.

    • Serai 1
      • Wild Cat

        Meh. His performance in “Barton Fink” was notable, underappreciated. up there w/Gabriel Byrne’s in “Miller’s Xing.”

        “Lebowski” is mainstrean, like “Fargo.” I prefer the former to the latter.

        • Shangenda of Shanocide

          YOU STOP TALKING ABOUT JOHN GOODMAN RIGHT NOW

        • revenant

          did you catch him (opposite the great Melissa Leo) in Treme?

    • Shoto

      Amy Goodman is idealistic, but from a journalistic standpoint, a bit too hit-and-miss for my taste. Ian Masters, on the other hand, is pretty rock-solid.

      http://ianmasters.com/

    • TJ Barke

      They do a show every day, they gotta have content from somewhere.

  • cosmiccowgirl

    Thank you for talking about this interview. I hadn’t seen it. I’m so proud and excited to vote for someone who idolized Jo March like I did and is conversant with Maya Angelou.

    • cousin itt

      I recall hearing her recitation in my car at CU Boulder that morning. So impressive.

      “In 1993, Angelou recited her poem “On the Pulse of Morning” at the inauguration of President Bill Clinton, becoming the first poet to make an inaugural recitation since Robert Frost at President John F. Kennedy’s inauguration in 1961.”

      • Serai 1

        That was such a beautiful poem. I bought one of the limited-edition copies of it that came out for the inauguration. Unfortunately, I lost track of it years ago.

    • sad true fact: i was always amy. no one ever wants to be amy.

      • Shangenda of Shanocide

        It’s been a long time since I read the story so I don’t remember all the characters. What makes you identify with Amy?

        • the shallow blond. i’m always the shallow blond (i’m actually an actor – a blond one – so this always happens in my world).

          (though sometimes i get to be the evil queen)

          • Sister Artemis

            Yeah, but Amy turned out alright in the end, she was just the bratty little sister until she came back from Europe.

          • yes true fact. but i’m always the shallow blond and never the one who has the stories.

            (see what i did there?)

            for real: i’m always olivia never viola. (and i wouldn’t have it any other way…)

          • Jen B_VA

            True story: I never have stories either, I just preface things with True Story because it amuses me to be all serious.

    • Sister Artemis

      Yeah, I got a little thrill knowing that Hillz shares my love of Jo *sparkle*
      … might just have to read it again, sooner than usual

      I read that book started at a pretty young age (9? 10?) and really didn’t get it for a lot of years, though I liked the story anyway. Reading it later as a teen and an adult, and particularly in light of my feminism, I grew to love the whole story so much more, and especially Jo.

      • Jen B_VA

        Hm may have to give that one another go. I did not like…but then required reading and I, an avid reader, greatly resented being taken away from what I wanted to read and forced to read something a teacher chose.
        I rebelled in funky ways.

        • Shangenda of Shanocide

          I feel ya.

          • Jen B_VA

            To this day I cannot see Maeve Binchy’s name without feeling all uptight and annoyed.
            4 times we got assigned her :k

          • Vienna Woods

            In school?? Good lord. She’s ok for a relaxing read, but literature she ain’ t.

          • Jen B_VA

            All girl’s catholic school. They got on this weird “let us make all assigned reading about womins and friendship!” for some odd reason.

          • revenant

            so, nice idea, bad follow-through?

          • Jen B_VA

            Well yeah, if you wanna do feminism because girl school, maaaybbbeee go with lit that is empowering and not all about what people wanna shop for or whom they want to marry?
            Just a thought.

        • Sister Artemis

          there is a pretty thick layer of Christian teaching over the whole thing, but as Jo explains in the movie (can’t remember if it’s in the book), the March family were members of a relatively progressive set of thinkers. Shows in the strong characters -females with brains, men with compassion. I definitely liked it more as I got older.

          • Jen B_VA

            Your recommendation is enough to have me give it another go, with an adult eye ^.^

  • Serai 1
    • Me not sure

      …unless your name is Donald Trump.

    • Me not sure

      ….unless your name is Donald Trump.

    • Thiazin Red

      So presidential.

  • Squirrel_Time

    Mothers with daughters love this sort of thing.

    Well, I do.

    • Sister Artemis

      You’re not at all alone

  • beingreleased

    I went to grad school with Lilly’s father. He’s a European immigrant who’s made his home here.

  • bubbuhh

    You know who is a bad person? Group of nearly 80 evangelical leaders publish letter condemning Trump

    The letter, which is signed by nearly 80 prominent evangelical leaders, thinkers, authors, and pastors, decries Trump’s attacks on women, Muslims, immigrants, refugees, and the disabled, saying such vitriol is an affront to the Christian faith. It also highlights how his campaign has energized white nationalists, such as when he was endorsed by leaders of the Ku Klux Klan.

    “We cannot ignore this bigotry, set it aside, just focus on other issues, or forget the things Mr. Trump has consistently said and done,” the letter reads. “No matter what other issues we also care about, we have to make it publicly clear that Mr. Trump’s racial and religious bigotry and treatment of women is morally unacceptable to us as evangelical Christians, as we attempt to model Jesus’ command to ‘love your neighbors as yourself.’”

    https://thinkprogress.org/trump-evangelicals-letter-d86c70f05194#.m2fdax1ew

    • Jen B_VA

      Huh, guess the empty pews are starting to get to them

    • feministing

      laughing into next week

  • shastakoala

    This makes me miss my Mom in a wonderful way. Thanks Rebecca. Thanks Hillary.

  • Shoto

    Yes it is.

    And the photo up-top? Great shot.

  • Mavenmaven

    On the other hand, there’s Matt Drudge claiming hurricane warnings are false propaganda for climate change.

    • Shoto

      Don’t you mean “the hoax of climate change?” After all, who are you gonna believe, the all-knowing, all-seeing Matt Drudge, or a buncha them fancy-pants scientists? Everybody know that they’re in on the hoax.

      http://responsiblescientists.org/

      • this is not helping with my drinking problem

    • what?

      • TJ Barke

        Exactly.

    • Shangenda of Shanocide

      Wait, okay…is this part of how libtards are now controlling the weather?

      *pinches bridge of nose*

      Never mind.

      • revenant

        see? it’s so easy that we can do it without even knowing that we’re doing it!!!

        Damn we’re good

        • Jen B_VA

          Keep tellin people, according to the wingnuts, Liberals are the most powerful baddass mofos and Hillz is like a friggin Terminator.

    • Daisy

      *brain shuts down*

    • Jen B_VA

      As with Rush, FUCK THEM. They are no longer just being grifters, they are purposefully putting people in harm’s way in order to grift off them.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Yeah, wait until they get flooded out of their fucking houses and listen to them beg for the gummint to help them out. Fuck these assholes.

  • Daisy

    OT: Has anyone watched Samantha Bee’s post VP debate clip? I just did, and it is hilarious.

    • Jonny On Maui

      Saving it for a rainy day…

      • Daisy

        I’m currently watching her video on LePage. I’m trying to figure out why he isn’t Trump’s running mate.

        • Jen B_VA

          The GOP stuck him with his “first so-called choice”. Pence was meant to balance out the crazy.

        • Jonny On Maui

          Have you ever put two male fighting fish in the same small tank?

          • Jen B_VA

            Two fish enter, one fish leaves

      • Jen B_VA

        So..tomorrow?

        • Jonny On Maui

          LOL! It’s almost always raining somewhere on the island!

          90 degrees F down in the flatlands today…

          • Jen B_VA

            Sort of like Virginia! Well…now that not real climate change started fucking with us and herding us into a more rain forest like weather pattern.
            Crafty obama

    • BMW

      Clip? Watch the whole episode!

  • BMW
    • Jonny On Maui

      All Hail Father Black!

      • Jen B_VA

        My first comedian crush, no lie. For reasons I do not know, I used to keep thinking of Louis when people spoke of Al Franken. Even now I am more likely to picture Black in my head than Al, who is not at all the same person, but both funny, pointed and have dark eyes?
        IDK, I get confused easily sometimes.

        • Jonny On Maui

          We got to see him in Vegas, Louis that is. He puts on a fine show. As does Al in the Senate. Hasn’t lost his comedic Touch or timing a bit!

          • Jen B_VA

            ikr? I wish I was a dead Michigander or whereever, so I could vote for him.

    • beingreleased

      Election Day 2000: I remember him ranting about Nevada rejecting gay marriage because they didn’t want Las Vegas to look sleazy. Good times. God, I’m old.

    • Serai 1
    • feministing

      no no no no no no back up. that girl idiotically, challengingly says she isn’t gonna vote unless it’s easy for her to get to the polls….oh my god. chick, i understand the point you THINK you’re making, that people should have fair and equal access to a constitutional right….but my god, do you not really see the painful irony of your statement and it’s logical conclusion??? sure, don’t vote cuz things aren’t perfect yet, thereby ensuring a republican victory which will put in place people who will not only not make it easier for you to vote, but actively work to make it harder. i fucking can’t. i think i need to log off earth for a bit here tonight.

  • i’ve meant to say this for like 2(maybe 4?) glasses of red wine:

    thank you rebecca. i’ve not been a huge hillz fan (as most of you remember i was a BO early adopter from his IL senate days). a few months ago i said to mr fuflans: the reason Barry won in 2008 and more importantly the reason hillary lost was:

    we needed this chick right here right now.

    2016 is her time.

    • Shangenda of Shanocide

      I remember thinking at the time, in 2008, that the reason Hillary didn’t win the nomination was that the country was more ready to have a Black man in the White House just because he was still, even though Black, a man. Even though I’m confident that she’ll win (and I’m disappointed that it’s because she’s up against Trump, who fully and wholly deserves to lose not just the election but pretty much everything everywhere for all time) I’m not looking forward to the continued conservative temper tantrum/backlash that the election of a “her” to the White House is going to cause.

      • WomanInAMood

        If there is one woman in the political universe who can handle it, it’s Hillary. Yes it is wrong that she should have to, but it is true. She has been dealing with this crap for decades. And she still has a soul. That’s admirable as hell.

  • Bitter Scribe

    Thanks for this. That “they’re both terrible” shit just infuriates me. NO THEY’RE NOT! One is a decent, well-educated, well-qualified lifelong public servant, and the other is a pig-ignorant reality-show clown with no manners and no brains.

  • Daisy

    OT: Watching Samantha Bee’s Trump supporter video. Oh my God, they are fucking stupid. How the fuck do they get dressed in the morning?

    • Bitter Scribe

      That was good, wasn’t it?

      “Is the election rigged?”
      “Hell yes it’s rigged!”
      “So Trump won’t win?”
      “Hell yes he’ll win!”
      “How can he win if it’s rigged?”
      “……???”

      The worst part of democracy is that people like that have the same vote we do.

      • Daisy

        I just can’t anymore. On the (semi) bright side, I feel intellectually superior.

      • DainBramage

        Or the flip side:
        “If Hillary loses, she’ll claim it was rigged, right?”
        “Sure, she’ll claim it was rigged.”
        “That would make her really lame, right?”
        “Yeah, weak.”
        Or something like that…

    • YetAnotherRebecca

      Looking at what some of them are wearing, it could be argued that they are probably still taking fashion cues from how momma would dress them as a toddler.

      They possibly still need her assistance as well….

    • feministing

      oh geez i just finished watching that right now and am i alone in that i wasn’t able to find any of that lepage segment funny? i was utterly shocked. if you put me in his position i’d be able to do a better job and be a better person than him in 5 seconds. how is he able to hold office? how do people complain about hillary and yawn about him? oh my god i’m sorry i’m rambling i’m just in total shock. and then the trumpers just killed me. how can someone be so clueless????

      • Jen B_VA

        It probably will not make you feel better, but they do it all on purpose.

        • feministing

          you were absolutely correct

          • Jen B_VA

            :hugs: this might though. That sentiment? Is going down. I know it does not seem like it is, that change is too slow, but it really is starting to be parched from humanity, in general.

          • feministing

            :) i think i agree with you on that. it’s just when i see stuff like this, and it puts into prospective how big those pockets still are, because of how large our country is…and it still makes me die a little inside.

          • Jen B_VA

            I know it. I get so very…frustrated and heart broken. We are capable of so much good as a species! We totally are, we have proven this! It hurts when we give in to our collective ugliness instead, usually for no better reason than fear.

      • Daisy

        Yeah, the LePage segment was pretty horrifying.

      • BadKitty904

        IKR? When did our states become absolute monarchies, ruled by the incompetent and the insane. Suck it up, Americans – these clowns don’t rule by divine right. If they were voted in, they can be voted out.

        • Amy!

          BadKitty safe! Good BadKitty!

          What’s the outlook where you are?

          • BadKitty904

            So far, so-so. Rain, wind steady-ish at 25-ish mph, tho with gusts up to 40, power still up, but flickering more often now…

    • BadKitty904

      He had just about enough intelligence to open his mouth when he wanted to eat, but certainly no more.

      ~ P. G. Wodehouse

  • BadKitty904

    OK, on the desk again, and so have access to a computer. Rather than dwell on what’s going on here, I’ve thought about Marley’s question, which is quite interesting.

    My favorite book, ever since I was a tyke, has been The Wind in the Willows. I still reread it at least once a year.

    Being honest with myself, I see me as being Mole. I’ve wished I was Badger, because he’s big and fierce, but Mole really is me – home-loving, rather “not so big,” hospitable, tradition-loving, loyal, well-meaning, sociable, tries to do good, though doesn’t always succeed.

    What about you other Wonklings? Same question.

    • PimentacoTX

      Glad to hear you’re well! You were spoken of very highly while you were gone.

      • BadKitty904

        Oh, god. NOW what?

        • PimentacoTX

          Nah, I think Jonny was asking after you and everyone said you were doing the good works. ;)

          • BadKitty904

            <– deeply embarrassed

          • PimentacoTX

            Be deeply proud of all you’re doing. You don’t have to tell me, but is it Red Cross? I was volunteer for a hot minute or two.

          • BadKitty904

            I work for a private philanthropic organization founded by my Great-great-grandfathers over a century ago, to “care for the downtrodden of our parish”*. Still funded (almost entirely) by my family, we serve our neighbors troubled by addictions, care for local women in abusive situations and unwed mothers, visit prisoners in our jail and informally monitor their treatment, assist the elderly of our area, aid the migrant workers who labor on our county’s farms, work with other charities to better “care for the downtrodden of our parish,” etc. The shelter I’m currently sitting in one of my family’s former citrus-packing plants, updated, refurbished, and repurposed. :0)

            *Interestingly, one of our groups’ original functions was to assist the Sisters of the Convent of St. Joseph in educating the children of former slaves in our county.

          • PimentacoTX

            Gud lawd! (getting on bus to volunteer). If you started a cult based on these principles I’d join. If I had any money to donate to your org, I’d give it all to you. I hereby nominate you for Wonker of the Year!!

            Much, much respect. I hope I can paralegal for a group like that some day. Seriously…god on ya. ;)

    • Jen B_VA

      OHHH like this one!
      Favorite book/Childhood: Secret Garden- I like gardens like whoa. Nothing gives you appreciation for wild places than growing up in a city I guess.
      Favorite book/older me: Don Quixote because he tried. I consider myself oft times Quixotic. And like the hero, despite the futility, I too refuse to give it up.

      • PimentacoTX

        Childhood – Chronicles of Narnia (the christian symbolism totally went by this young atheist)
        Adulthood: Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas/On the Road (can’t pick 1)

        • Jen B_VA

          I loved Narnia also too ^.^ I love a lot of books in a lot of genres covering a wide variety of topics lol.
          Almost went with Elfquest. Then went no no, I liked Tail of two cities better! Then I was all, but but but, what about…..

          • nmmagyar

            Elfquest is the only graphic novel I have ever read. And as much as I loved it (which is very many muches) I have never wanted to read another one.

        • Catstro

          I refused to read The Last Battle as a kid. I knew that the series was a Christian allegory, but it didn’t bother me. Except for that one, which I KNEW was going to be based on Revelations, and I was terrified of Revelations. I finally tried read part of it as an adult, but noped out and found a summary online. So glad I didn’t read it. Still mad at the ending.

          • Jen B_VA

            Very mad. Grrrr. I hate that one so very much, especially what he did with Susan.

          • Catstro

            Yeah, I still get mad when I think about it. I gotta say I’m impressed with my kid instincts, too. I knew as a 10 year old it was going to be bullshit.

          • Jen B_VA

            I liked it enough up until the last chapter. It was an exciting book!
            CS did a three book series that was a bit more growed. Forget the name, but it was Mars, Earth and Venus as the religious parallels. I quite liked it because though very obviously christian, he wasn’t a real dick about it.

          • BadKitty904

            I’ve always been impressed by the scene where Father Time rises from his rest, sounds his horn, and the stars begin to fall…

        • BadKitty904

          Who is your character in the first? I have always *dearly* loved Reepicheep.

          • PimentacoTX

            Honestly, I don’t remember it as clearly as others have (or at all, there’s quite a disconnect in my head to my pre-pot days). It was just sort of a reflexive answer. I got a set of the 3 (?) 4(?) books at a school book fair. I liked and identified with the adventure, bored kids who find a whole secret world in an average looking closet. I like adventure (that doesn’t require me to leave the house). And there was a boat. I remember a boat. Lol.

          • BadKitty904

            The Dawntreader?

          • PimentacoTX

            See “disconnect” above. Heh. ;)

      • Daisy

        I still need to read Don Quixote in depth, rather than the skimming I did when I was young. My favorite book is called The Book Thief, by Markus Zusak.

        • Jen B_VA

          I will be honest, it takes a LOT to get into because the style is so very old. I cannot read Spanish so I have a lovely english translation, and when I go re-read it takes me a full chapter to sink into the style of even that XD
          BUT once you get into the rhythm of it, it is brilliant, sarcastic, witty, warm, cynical and yet still, somehow, just a smidge hopeful.

          • Daisy

            *nods* I tried The Hunchback of Notre Dame (translation, of course), and that didn’t work out well. I do poorly with older works, particularly if they’ve been translated. Hell, I’m still working on reading The Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, by James Joyce.

          • Jen B_VA

            I used to really suck at it, older style I mean, but I had a nun in 10th grade who helped with that a bit. YES A NUN HELPED. They were not all meanies.
            Anywho, we were doing Chaucer and I was struggling with the language so she had me translate the first few paragraphs into “your own words, like you kids use these days”
            At first I found it patronizing and unfair that I had to do extra work. But then I was all…wait a minute….I GET THIS. Cause if you can translate it you can read it just fine.
            Mostly I think she was saying it was more a mental block than an actual inability.

          • nmmagyar

            Nuns let you read Chaucer? Wow, that was some racy material…

          • Vagandarian the Librarian!

            I loved my Chaucer class in college. My teacher had made the Canterbury pilgrimage, she was a really interesting lady.

          • Suse

            Joyce is rough going. Had to read that in freshman year.

          • Daisy

            Jesus, we never had to read it. I picked it up voluntarily. In junior year.

          • WomanInAMood

            I liked “Dubliners”, but found “Portrait of the Artist” somewhat annoying. Because Stephen Dedalus frankly struck me as a twerp. “Ulysses”, btw way confirmed my opinion. For fifteen years, I tried to read it. I would start with stately, plump Buck Mulligan, stagger on for 30ish pages until Stephen was maundering on about how much he hated being a tutor, and then realized that I didn’t care about him. Because, well, twerp. “Finnigan’s Wake” is right out.

        • BadKitty904

          It’s worth it. Try Edith Grossman’s translation, if your Spanish isn’t up it (mine’s not).

      • JustDon’tSaySta-min-ah

        I’m having trouble getting through Don Quixote the 2nd time. Too many bits are just like the other bits.

        • Jen B_VA

          heh then there is book 2…..which…well.
          Try it with an eye for the snark. Cervantes was good at the snark…for a 600 year old dead dude.

          • JustDon’tSaySta-min-ah

            You know what I’d like to read? Cervantes’ biography. The few pages my copy of “Quixote” told of his life hinted at a lot of material for another novel. I bet he was a bad ass.

          • Jen B_VA

            He was a dreamer stuck in a world where it was not appreciated. And my copy does as well XD Even has a bit about someone else who wrote a part 2 and he wrote a little parable about some stranger beating his dog and then him messing said stranger UP.

          • BadKitty904

            Indeedy! Joined the Spanish navy after fleeing the results of dueling, wounded in one of the greatest naval battles in history, captured and enslaved by Moorish pirates, etc., etc.

          • JustDon’tSaySta-min-ah

            What I’m reading is a V1-2 combo. I flagged after the end of Vol 1. I mean honestly, how many almost-rich girls fall for the “We’re practically engaged, let’s boink” thing in any given story? AOTK not accepted.

      • BadKitty904

        Amen on that last ‘un, Jen. All my life Daddy has quoted Churchill to me and my brother: “Never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in, except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.

    • Daisy

      *hugs* Glad to see you’re well, BadKitty.

      • BadKitty904

        Still above water! Fingers crossed.

    • Jonny On Maui

      First, how ya doin’?

      • BadKitty904

        Physically – fine but damp, Jonny. Emotionally – adequate, esp. if I keep busy and don’t fret. Happily, with what seems like 7,000 lil’ kids up in here, keeping busy’s been pretty easy. ;0)

        • Jonny On Maui

          Good to hear!

          • BadKitty904

            Mil gracias, sir.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Can you send us a picture of you desperately clutching a light post to avoid being swept away by the wind?

      • BadKitty904

        Unfortunately, I’ll soon be able to. Gusts are 35+ mph now and will reach 80+ here before this is over. This building is already shaking, branches and smaller tress are coming down, the power has started to flicker, etc. Joaquin and two of the guys went out in the pouring rain to cut up a palm that had fallen across the drive that leads to this place and has made it crystal clear that he’d prefer I stay inside.

        Still, this will give you the idea… ;0)
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e2fa6a8b3910ef3cf1d55f177c708069829928f35c10e9433affddfb3255898c.gif

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          I’m hearing that the eye will likely not touch land. Hope that is the case. Hunker and down and stay safe!

    • Bitter Scribe

      Robin Hood. I dreamed big.

      • BadKitty904

        Hey, nothing wrong with a lil’ “derring-do”!

    • beingreleased

      I’ve been reading The Hobbit to my 8-year old and I’m enjoying it as much as I ever did.

      • Jen B_VA

        Gah, forgotted the hobbitses! Which I liked better-er than the Ring Trilogy.
        And Dragonlance too, also. and Xanth, specifically the first nine.
        OHhhhh Study in Scarlet! Demmit. Picking one is hard.

        • YetAnotherRebecca

          I was a big fan of Piers Anthony’s first couple “Incarnations of Immortality” series myself. Read the first 3 or 4 I think, and the first – “On a Pale Horse” probably three times?

          • Jen B_VA

            I could never get into those, but again- was less an adult eye XD may have to retry it.
            I did dig the Blue Adept for the first couple books so at least it was not just because it was not Xanth XD I mean I love puns but I would be disappointed in myself if I could not read PA without puns.

          • YetAnotherRebecca

            I read them more enthusiastically as a young-ish teenager and then re-read the first when I got a little older. I discovered that although I thought he had fascinating ideas, the fact that all of his characters spoke in the exact same overwrought and rather silly style got to be somewhat distracting. So I left the other books to remain fond memories :)

      • BadKitty904

        Excellent parenting!

      • Juan de Fuca

        The Hobbit was my favorite book when I was a kid.

    • DainBramage

      OK, nerd here. My favorite book has to be The Lord of the Rings. I cannot even think about Sam and Frodo on the slopes of Mount Doom after the Ring is gone without tearing up. Have easily read it 40+ times by now.

      • revenant

        the scene in which Sam braces himself, and takes it to Shelob. it always gets me all watery-eyed.

        • DainBramage

          Yeah, Sam is the best. I think we all see ourselves as Sam.

      • BadKitty904

        And your character would be?

        • DainBramage

          Sam, of course.

          • DainBramage

            He is the better part of all of us.

          • BadKitty904

            Very aptly put.

    • YetAnotherRebecca

      As an adult, probably “The Forever War” by Joe Haldeman. Great, progressive anti-war hard sci-fi written by a Vietnam vet, brilliantly accomplishing what the best specimens of the genre do – exploring and observing the human condition outside the bounds of reality.

      As a kid, before I really developed my own tastes…when I was early grade school, it was probably “Tuck Everlasting.” Middle school/early high school I’d have to say “Of Mice and Men.”

      Looking back on it, those are both pretty dark books to like so much that young. Heh…

      • Daisy

        Mmm, Of Mice and Men was beautifully written, but so sad.

        • YetAnotherRebecca

          It’s kinda the same thing with “Tuck Everlasting” on a slightly cruder, more childlike level. I touching book with a heartbreaking ending.

          • BadKitty904

            Also true. I just reread this book, in fact, as one of my besties calls me “Tuck Everlasting,” since my family tends to be very long-lived.

        • BadKitty904

          Truly.

      • Jonny On Maui

        Isn’t that coming out as a movie? It’s a great read.

        • YetAnotherRebecca

          Ridley Scott acquired the rights to it years ago and I damn near burst from happiness on the spot when I heard. I’m a BIG fan of “Blade Runner” and “Alien” (although prefer “Aliens” slightly – it’s been my favorite movie of all time since I was about 10 years old) so I was super excited by the prospect. I had faith he’d get the tone SO right. Not like that goofy Paul Verhoeven “Starship Troopers” adaptation that disappointed me so.

          But alas, it’s been “In Production” since 2008 and thus presumably stuck in development hell. Although your question did just prompt me to do a quick google and I’m seeing April 2015 articles mentioning that Channing Tatum will be starring in it whenever it is released, so I guess there has been some developments since I years ago abandoned hope of it ever coming to fruition.

          Hooray.

      • Bub the Leftwing Zombie

        Love the “Forever War.” Mindbridge” and “All My Sins Remembered” are excellent too.

    • Tacoclamgenda

      Oh,BK 904,… Loving you for your work there.absolutely adoring you with your answer.
      Been thinking about you all day.

      • BadKitty904

        That is extraordinary kind. Thank you.

        I wish I was the tower-of-strength type, but I can admit to you guys that this has me more upset than I can let on here. It’s my duty to help keep these folks safe and they look to me to be calm and encouraging – and so I have been and will be, as long as is necessary. Plus Joaquin is here with me – thank Christ – and I’d rather die than be afraid in front of him.

        I’ll suck it up, as my brother always tells me, and the clock will tick and this will be past. I’ll do my duty, help get these folks through this, then we’ll begin to rebuild. :0)

        • Suse

          Stay safe, BK. You are a rock star in my book for looking after your fellow humans. Hugs!

          • BadKitty904

            “Yes, I AM my brother’s keeper” is almost a family motto.

        • Shangenda of Shanocide

          Don’t forget to go have a little breakdown when it’s safe. Trust me, you’ll feel much better afterward.

          • BadKitty904

            Once this is past and these folks can safely return to what’s left of their homes. Then I can “stand down”…

        • revenant

          nothing like having to be brave for other people, it’s a hell of a bracer

          • Tacoclamgenda

            A great way to put it.

          • BadKitty904

            True, that. I know I’m a better person when people count on me to be a better person.

          • Tacoclamgenda

            Who else is it you’ve been concerned for? Sorry, forgot their name. Any word. I haven’t seen anything since real early but was off most of day.

        • Jen B_VA

          You’re the kind of Kitty that makes me proud to be a human, BK.

        • Tacoclamgenda

          Ahhhhh, but you ARE a tower of strength. Courage isn’t necessarily about not being afraid but feeling rear and doing what you must do. That is exactly what you are doing.

          • BadKitty904

            OK, the lights are lowered here, so people can sleep, and if you make me tear up, I’m going to start falling over things.

          • WomanInAMood

            I’m trying desperately to think of something funny, because I don’t want you to fall over anything……nope. I got nothing. Except please don’t fall over anything, because the world needs kitties like you.

    • Catstro

      A Wrinkle in Time. I re-read it about once a year, too.

      Stay safe, Kitty. Keep us updated when you can.

      • BadKitty904

        But what character would you be?

        • Catstro

          Oh, Meg. Then, now, and always. Though with a little Mrs Whatzit sprinkled here and there.

          • BadKitty904

            Sweet!

      • JustDon’tSaySta-min-ah

        Is that the tesseract one? Because that may be the first girl-point-of-view book I read as a pre-teen. Just having a look through eyes not like my own was super-cool!

        • Catstro

          Yes. I had read a lot of girl pov novels (the whole Little House series, Anne of Green Gables, Little Women, Heidi), but that one was my favorite.

          • Jen B_VA

            Anne! I love me some Anne XD

    • TJ Barke

      Not a single book, but the Red Mars Trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson. Have them in paperback and have worn the fuck out of them…

      • BadKitty904

        Now, this is new to me. Do you recommend them, Teej?

        • TJ Barke

          Well, I dunno about what your taste in sci fi is, it’s sort of an epic about a group of colonists and later their descendants that go to Mars and about the colonization and terraformation and the various socio-political consequences thereof. It’s got a fairly diverse cast, most of whom have vastly different ways of thinking about the world around them.

    • feministing

      as a kid, the phantom tollbooth
      as a teen, any book by amy tan
      most recently, wuthering heights (but probs not why you think)

      • TJ Barke

        Love The Phantom Tollbooth.

        • feministing

          yaaass

        • PimentacoTX

          Is that the one they made a trippy 70’s cartoon out of? I thought that was fun and fucking terrifying at the same time.

          • TJ Barke

            Dunno about a cartoon, but it is a brilliantly witty book for kids.

          • PimentacoTX

            Did it have a zone called the dolrums?

          • TJ Barke

            Yes, right near the beginning.

          • PimentacoTX
      • beingreleased

        I just read the Phantom Tollbooth last week for the first time. I was told I should because I have a son named Milo. I highly recommend.

    • Suse

      My parents were huge mystery/spy thriller fans, so I read all of Agatha Christie and John Le Carre at an early age. I loved ‘Heidi’ and the series of books about kids having magic adventures by Edward Eager (‘Half Magic’ was the best). Also, the Eleanor Estes books about the Pye family.

      • Jen B_VA

        10 little Indians (I think now called And then there were none) is another fav.
        Damn it, there is too many XD

        • Suse

          Originally ’10 Little N-word’ in England!

          • Jen B_VA

            oooo really?????? I did not know that o.O

          • Suse

            Yes. The British were not exactly PC.

          • Jen B_VA

            Neither were Americans though I was born after that sort of thing was publicly waved….

      • Catstro

        Heidi has fueled my as-yet-unfulfilled desire for a goat since I was 8 years old. I was annoying about it then, and I’m annoying about now.

        • Suse

          I want a goat, too! Actually, I want more than one. :-)

        • Daisy

          I love goats. I will say, they are brats, though. But they make you love them anyway.

          • Catstro

            That’s why I love my cats, so the brat aspect does not deter me.

          • nmmagyar

            Was my goat defective? That fucking thing was a monster from the second we got it until the second we loaded it on the truck to “live” on someone else’s property.

          • revenant

            i usually get along great with animals of all kinds, but goats hate me.

          • nmmagyar

            Because they’re dicks

          • BadKitty904

            They have Satanic eyes, you know…

          • nmmagyar

            Not much creeps me out, but goat eyes CREEP ME THE FUCK OUT!!!!!

          • Tacoclamgenda

            I like goats but I heard they are a lot like boats – the two best days are when you bring the home and when you take them somewhere else.

      • BadKitty904

        Edward Eager?!?! SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

        • Suse

          Did you read them, too? With illustrations by N.M. Bodecker?

    • Catstro

      Oh, and before my daughter was born, I went thrifting for some room decor. I found a glorious early 80s The Wind in the Willows poster. I say early 80s, because I’m pretty sure we had the exact same one in our library in elementary school. Sr. Cats almost keeled over from delight, it was his favorite book as a kid, too.

      • BadKitty904

        Y’all have excellent taste. It exactly coincides with my own.

    • JustDon’tSaySta-min-ah

      As a young man: “Inferno” by Niven and Pournelle. Made me eventually attempt Dante’s “Divine Comedy”, which wasn’t as good.

      Later, I read a bunch of Steinbeck. I gotta go with “Grapes of Wrath”. Unfortunately, I probably wouldn’t be a main character. Maybe Preacher.

      • DainBramage

        I really liked Niven & Pournelle’s Footfall as: (a) small alien elephants and (b) how we blasted out of Bellingham Bay, which I’m very familiar with.

        • JustDon’tSaySta-min-ah

          I might have to get back into them both. I was a Niven fanatic in the Known Space days.

      • YetAnotherRebecca

        Ah look – another response that’s a mix of 1970s hard sci-fi and also John Steinbeck! What an oddly specific demographic this here Wonkette attracts.

        I loved Niven’s “Ringworld” although less so the second time around. I found myself getting impatient during the sections that involved the silly romantic threads of the plot and re-reading and savoring the descriptions of the Dyson Spheres and other speculative technologies. Don;t think I’ve read “Inferno” – I shall have to check it out.

        • JustDon’tSaySta-min-ah

          We are who we are.
          Yeah, Larry wasn’t good at writing relationships, was he? He had a sorta Heinlein view of society. But Ringworld and its sequel were fun.

    • Shangenda of Shanocide

      I read Charlotte’s Web and Little House on the Prairie over and over and over in my single-digit years.

      • BadKitty904

        Well done.

    • Master Contrail Program

      As a youngster: A Wrinkle In Time/Watership Down

      As a young teen: Lord of the Rings series/various Tom Clancy books (broad horizons I guess)

      Late teens/early 20s: myriad Steven King and Clive Barker books/Watchmen

      In recent years: I sadly must admit that I haven’t read a book cover-to-cover in years. Though I spend several hours a day reading on average.

      • Jen B_VA

        Wonkette!

        • Master Contrail Program

          Shampoo labels, mostly. They claim “no more tears”, until I remember I have a lot less hair to wash than I used to.

          Sad!

      • DainBramage

        Watership Down is still good as an adult.

        • Master Contrail Program

          Yeah, it was probably the first book I discovered the truism of “the book was better than the movie.”

          As a wee lad, before video stores were commonplace, I remember Watership Down, Charlotte’s Web, and The Wizard of Oz being “event” movies the networks would show annually.

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            Ah, yeah. I watched Wizard of Oz every year when it came on. Around Thanksgiving, I think.

          • Tacoclamgenda

            Absolutely. How magical when it went from B&W to color when the door opens after the house falls.

          • Master Contrail Program

            And the first bass notes of Pink Floyd’s “Money” play?

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            That’s in the 4th remake, right?

          • Master Contrail Program

            The rumor goes if you push the SAP button on your remote when they show it on Turner Classic Movies that it plays Dark Side of the Moon.

            Can neither confirm nor deny.

          • Vienna Woods

            Long story. I was home during first year of university and watching Oz with the parents. While in Kansas I say “I remembered this as a colour film.”
            “It was before colour,” says mum.
            “Nuh-uh,” I say. “First colour film was Robin Hood in 1937.”
            “Well,” says dad, “they didn’t expect it to be a big hit so it had a small budget.”
            “Not true,” I say. “They wanted Shirley Temple for Dorothy.”
            (This was 1978. I was a major old movie nerd.)
            Then they landed in Oz and it turned to colour.
            “Why didn’t you just tell me?” I asked.
            “Oh, we wanted to see the look on your face,” they said.

          • BadKitty904

            LOL (ok, sorry, VW)

          • Vienna Woods

            Hey, glad I made ya laugh. Stay safe!

          • Tacoclamgenda

            I love that story.

          • PimentacoTX

            God bless my folks, I went to film school. They constantly mixed up folks actors (goddamit disqus, pull yourself together), mom still does. But like totally different types of actors who do totally different kind of films. Like confusing tom hanks and mel gibson or something.

    • Pinkham’s Law

      Under 12, favorite book: Beautiful Joe. I could not stop reading it, repeatedly, and I cried inconsolably every time. Of course, I identified with Joe. The book was eventually “disappeared.”

      • Jen B_VA

        Disappeared?

        • Pinkham’s Law

          Yep. “Don’t know where it is. Don’t know what might have happened to it. Did you leave it somewhere outside? *shrug*” I do NOT blame them. When I said, “inconsolably,” I really, really mean, “inconsolably.” Hours of ugly crying, every time I finished the book. And when I settled down, I’d start reading it AGAIN.

          • Jen B_VA

            AAAhhhhhhhhh……heh. Yeah I could see where it may have to disappear.
            Though now I shall have to read that…and oddly that also reminded me of Hitchhiker’s guide to the Galaxy.
            And then the Belgaraid. But what about the M.Y.T.H series also, too? And yowsers, Thieves world!
            Too many favorites.

      • BadKitty904

        Awwwwww! But understandable.. *pets Mr. Pink*

        • Pinkham’s Law

          Puuuuuurrrrrrrrrrr. Ppppppuuuuuuuurrrrrr> Yes, I am a Dog person. That doen’t mean I am entirely unfamiliar with the ways of felines.
          Puuuuuuuurrrrrrrr.

    • Tacoclamgenda

      Nancy and Plum. One of the many books of early to mid twentieth century centred around orphans. The prototypical orphanage with mean nasty house mother who cares for her sweet looking ogre of a niece. They find their way to good folks with lots of trouble in between. I wanted to be Nancy because she was plucky and determined to protect her sister. And (a reflection of my bi-nature) there is that part of me who is Plum, gentle and truth speaking which isnt always for the best. Heart warming and hopeful in the best ways.

    • nmmagyar

      Lord of the Rings has been my favorite escape since I first read them at 10ish. The book that touched me most profoundly as a wee one was Garden of Broken Glass by Emily Cheney (no relation, I hope) Neville. It haunts me to this day so much that I have not even considered re-reading it.

      • Shangenda of Shanocide

        And The Secret Garden?

        • nmmagyar

          Never read it. Back in my day that would have been considered a “Girl” book.

          • Shangenda of Shanocide

            That’s okay. I still haven’t read either The Hobbit or any of the Lord of the Rings books. ;)

    • Juan de Fuca

      Tom Sawyer but not from the Mark Twain book. From the song by Rush:

      ♬No, his mind is not for rent
      To any God or government

      Always hopeful yet discontent
      He knows changes aren’t permanent

      But change is…♬

      When it comes to books, Lestat de Lioncourt. Is what it is. Well read and educated, just like what I like. Don’t judge. You stay safe BK!

      • Master Contrail Program

        Lestat was good. Queen of the Damned? Not so much..

        The movie? Certainly good for a laugh anyway. Shocking that it wasn’t intended to be a comedy.

        R.I.P. Aaliyah

        • revenant

          the whole origin story for vampires in “Queen” was pretty good

          • Juan de Fuca

            Isis libelz! Seriously. *slams head on desk* Not the book so much as the JV squad.

        • PimentacoTX

          Ugh, friend recommended Lestat (i never read interview). Started good (and apparently ended good based on teh movie). I just couldn’t take the 300 page, 400 year family history.

          • Master Contrail Program

            The movie was actually a mashup of Lestat and Queen, part of the reason why it sucked. Way too much material condensed. Though they could have safely cut the _____ beget_____ portion. Just like the Bible.

            Not quite as badly condensed as Ralph Bakshi’s Lord of the Rings though. All three books in one movie? Yeesh.

          • Jonny On Maui

            The only redeeming feature of the movie outside of the comic effect was the soundtrack. But then again i like Disturbed.

          • Master Contrail Program

            The soundtrack was good, I’m surprised Jonathan Davis hasn’t scored more movies actually. Guess that movie kind of sunk him. Hell that’s around the time Korn started getting, dare I say it, corny in general. Or maybe my ears and sensibilities just got old.

          • PimentacoTX

            Exactly – the litany of family tragedies was too much, and what the fuck does it have to with vampires!?! Am I using “litany” right, I don’t htink I’m using that right.

      • nmmagyar

        I’ll still pick up an Anne Rice if I see it laying around.

    • Vagandarian the Librarian!

      So many books read!!!
      Ferdinand the Bull as a young’un (when I went to a real bullfight as an adult, I gagged and left). Tween – Up the Road Slowly (good coming of age back in the day). Today – The Book of Speculation and any good graphic novel.
      Recommendations accepted!!!

      • Master Contrail Program

        Idk. Graphic novel is certainly open to interpretation, but the entire Punisher Max series is quite good. Both the Garth Ennis and Jason Aaron runs.

        Nick Fury Max: My War Gone By was also outstanding.

        Both are as far from typical Marvel fare as one can get.

        • Vagandarian the Librarian!

          That’s what I enjoy, too, not the whole “make ’em into a movie franchise”. I’ve read Rat Queens, Copperhead, and Persepolis most recently. Strong women is definitely a theme here.

      • Tacoclamgenda

        Have you read graphic novel, Fun House?

        • revenant

          don’t forget “Are You My Mother?”. and all the “Dykes To Watch Out For” collections

        • Vagandarian the Librarian!

          Did you mean Fun Home?

          • Tacoclamgenda

            Yes, thank you. Duh. Home being such an important part of title. The author is from this area.

          • Vagandarian the Librarian!

            No, I haven’t, but it’s now on the list! ?

      • Shangenda of Shanocide

        Yes! Ferdinand the Bull and The Giving Tree and ALL the Shel Silverstein poems!!!

      • BadKitty904

        As with foxhunting, I like the drama and ritual of bullfighting. However, I will never attend a real one. The reality is horrifying and barbarous.

        • Tacoclamgenda

          At least with fox hunting there is so rarely a fox involved anymore. But when there is in the chase, UGH

        • PimentacoTX

          A woman I was crushing’ on took me to a bull fight in mexico about 10 years ago. (Still am not sure if it was a date or not). The mayor of the city was there. They have “warm up” acts. (apparently bullfighting is different in mexico than it is in spain, but the “headliner” this night was a bullfighter from spain). So they bring out thiese guys in heavily padded armor on horses that are also heavily padded and they fight the bull. They basically use spears. Then the headliner comes out. So this no-armored guy, on a not armored horse tries to ride by the bull and stick these little dart like things in it. So, apparently the whole point of this is exhibit horsemanship skills. After the horsemanship and darts wear out the bull, he jumps down and has the sword to stick in the bull’s neck (think an icepick to the base of the skull). I just about threw up. They cut off the ear of the bull and present it to the mayor, we rises and graciously accepts. As we were leaving, I saw one of the bulls strung up (dead).

          Not very romantic.

          • Tacoclamgenda

            Bleckbleckbleck…!!!!!!

    • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

      As a kid I mostly read science and kid friendly history books. Sharks, volcanos, presidents, the Titanic, anything related to wars, planes, or catastrophic events.

      There was a brief period in third grade where I read girl books like The Babysitter’s Club and Sweet Valley High, but that didn’t last. After that brief period I moved onto horror and true crime books.

      My book case now is filled with text books and programming books. I’ve always been a boring reader, I guess.