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Now see here, Secretary Clinton, we are pleased as anything that a whole bunch of Republican foreign policy experts said Donald Trump is too extreme to be president, but do you really have to go around tongue-kissing every last one of them? Especially the murderous bastard ones, like John Negroponte? We know you’re excited to get big foreign policy names, as well as big Republican names to pull over some R’s who are sick and tired of the carnival act their party nominated this year… but could you please remember that one of the top rules in politics, as formulated by the great Molly Ivins, is that you gotta dance with the ones who brung you — and it was Democrats who brung you to the big dance. We’d also prefer you not slow dance with anyone with quite so much blood on his hands, please.

Sigh. Yes, this is where we have to do Intellectual Honesty and say there are definitely sides to Hillary that thrill us not, and this here is one of them. We may as well go right to Fox News for this one:

In a statement provided by the Clinton campaign, Negroponte touted the former secretary of state’s “leadership qualities” in his decision.

“She will bring to the Presidency the skill, experience and wisdom that is needed in a President and Commander in Chief,” he said. “Having myself served in numerous diplomatic and national security positions starting in 1960, I am convinced that Secretary Clinton has the leadership qualities that far and away qualify her best to be our next President.”

As Esquire columnist and Donna Rose’s babysitter Charlie Pierce reminds us, plenty of those things Negroponte did while he “served in numerous diplomatic and national security positions starting in 1960” aren’t anything Clinton needs to be shaking hands with, let alone embracing:

In the 1980s, he served as the U.S. ambassador to Honduras. In addition to (at best) covering for that country’s murderous autocrats, he also served the Reagan Administration by helping to turn Honduras into a staging area for American-trained death squads in places like El Salvador and Guatemala. (Remember, Eugene Hasenfus was flying out of a base in Honduras when he got shot down over Nicaragua, which is when the Iran-Contra criminal enterprise began to unravel.)

Oh, but of course there’s more. Pierce cites a 2005 article arguing against Bush II’s appointment of Negroponte as the first Director of National Intelligence after 9/11:

Given the human rights records of the Honduran military and the Nicaraguan contras who set up shop in Honduras during Negroponte’s tenure as ambassador in the early ’80s, he will have no moral standing as a public official who repudiates abusive interrogation techniques and brutal counterinsurgency tactics. Indeed, some cynics might suggest that’s one of the reasons Bush picked him. Negroponte’s work in Honduras means, too, that he will come to his new job with a history of forwarding inaccurate intelligence to Washington and leaving out information that would have upset the upper echelon of the Reagan-Bush administration. For his part, Negroponte, who is now 65, has staunchly denied knowledge of “death squad” operations by the Honduran military in the ’80s.

There’s much more on his tenure in Honduras that ought to make Hillary Clinton say “thanks, but no thanks” to his endorsement. Negroponte served an administration that turned an indifferent eye to the murders of American nuns in El Salvador in 1980, and then went on to serve in the GW Bush Administration as Ambassador to Iraq — and while he said “torture is never right,” he never quite worked up the nerve to say the Bush Administration’s use of it was wrong, either. On the intelligence failures that enabled the Iraq war, Negroponte said in a 2011 interview,

“Do you want me to say [the Iraq invasion] was a mistake?” Negroponte demands. “I’m not going to say that. But if you’re asking me, would I have done the same thing if I were in the president’s shoes, I don’t think I would have, okay? I don’t think I can answer you better than that.”
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For his reasons and in his judgment, [GWB] felt it was in the national security interest of the United States to do this. Did he believe this WMD information? He probably did. I mean, I suspect George Bush made his decision in good faith. But if you ask me, what would I have done, I would have given the inspection process a chance.”


So, hey, kind of a moderate, once you get past the “overlooking torture” stuff.

No, this fuckup by Hillary Clinton isn’t going to drive us to vote for Jill Stein or have us posting “See? She IS a warmonger!” stories. But we don’t know what the hell Hillary was thinking by calling attention to this endorsement. Negroponte’s support isn’t going to bring over that many Republicans, but Clinton’s bragging about it it will piss off — with good reason — plenty of progressives. In terms of how it’ll affect the general election overall, we imagine it won’t have any effect: Most Americans won’t recognize the name “Negroponte” at all, those who do will at most remember he was some foreign policy guy, and a significant portion will simply say “Dur-hurr, he has negro in his name!” And for those who are familiar with Negroponte’s career, a lot of us will just have to drink a double scotch and repeat to ourselves that Hillary doesn’t have to be perfect for us to vote for her. Yes, we understand she wants a big tent. But this guy stinks up the place something awful, and it’s a big goddamn disappointment to see Clinton seeing his endorsement as a coup (another thing he was fine with under Reagan). Just don’t appoint the bastard to anything, OK?

[Atlantic / Esquire / Fox News / In These Times / Democracy Now / Daily Beast]

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  • limberrat
    • Callyson

      “I may be batshit crazy, but I’m smart enough to see what’s coming in November!”

      TehRump

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    Missing from this piece: what, if anything, Hillary said about his endorsement. Maybe a bit of clarification is in order?

    • doktorzoom

      Sadly, it was her campaign that enthusiastically released the statement calling attention to it.

      • Jennaratrix

        I’m looking for that, actually; so far all I can find is news sites claiming that her campaign released this info, but not the actual campaign statement itself.

        • Biel_ze_Bubba

          Keep an eye out for the enthusiasm – that’s the important thing.

        • CapnFatback

          I’d start with her website.

          • Mpeg

            ; )

          • Jennaratrix

            Right, I did, and I found the briefing you linked. It is a list of 50 people, and nothing there is screaming in enthusiasm for John Negroponte specifically. Did I miss something?

          • CapnFatback

            I would assume “enthusiastically” is dok’s hyperbole, and I wouldn’t get hung up on it. Negroponte’s inclusion is plenty disappointing, even if it had been done with shame and hand-wringing.

    • richardgrabman

      Oh stop trying to rationalize this. Clinton is no different than any other neo-liberal… willing to impose murderous regimes on us in Latin America to keep control of our resources in the hands of US corporate interests, and maintain your decadent, wasteful lifestyle. Liberalism at home, and fascism abroad has been both Democratic and Republican foreign policy towards Latin America at least as long as Fascism has been a thing. Longer, if you want to go back to James Knox Polk.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        Asking for more info = rationalization.
        Check.

  • Jennaratrix

    Ugh. Come on Hillz, we’re better than this. Between this and sucking up to Kissinger…

  • sadboy

    Shout out to Charlie Pierce, who is really cranking out some good stuff at Esquire. I’m hoping this ‘appreciation’ of Negroponte is due to confusion on the part of the Clinton campaign, ’cause this guy really is a nasty one. May as well send fruit baskets to Elliott Abrams, Roberto D’Aubisson and the reunion Class of ’81 from the School of the Americas while you’re at it.

  • lucidamente

    It’s like building up resistance to snake venom by ingesting a little at a time. By October, she’ll be ready for the Henry Kissinger endorsement.

  • Bitter Scribe

    As long as she stays away from Henry Kissinger.

    (Although even if she didn’t, I wouldn’t get as hysterical about it as Pierce did.)

    • natoslug

      Doesn’t she already have Kissinger’s endorsement?

  • Sadly, 99.99999eleven% of the voting public are completely ignorant to Negroponte’s (and the U.S.A.s) Central American and South American dirty and deadly history. Our “interventions” in Central America began in the very early 1900’s.

    This is one time Hillz can exploit the voting public’s ignorance to show another R supporting her.

    • Lascauxcaveman

      Well, that’s an even better spin than mine (down thread). Thanks.

  • Lizzietish81

    Obama uses drones. Bill Clinton was liberal with bombing shit. We don’t have to like it or even accept it, but stop being surprised.

    • btwbfdimho

      Plus, Obama/Hillary’s complacency with the military coup against Zelaya in Honduras, 2009. Yes, she’s not Mother Theresa, but so what?

    • Daisy

      Honestly, as bad as it sounds, my reaction to this was basically: “So?” She’s trying to recruit Republicans, we know this. It means some shitty people are going to endorse her. I have better things to be pissed at, rather than something I expected to happen.

      …I’m probably a little too good at separation, honestly.

      • Bub the Leftwing Zombie

        You really have to be. Remember this old aphorism?

        “To retain respect for sausages and laws, one must not watch them in the making.”

        It applies equally to domestic and international power politics.

        • Daisy

          *nods* I’m potentially going to be dealing with this as an everyday thing in the future. I can’t get emotional over something as well, petty as this.

  • Spurning Beer

    How many Negropontes are there in a David Duke?

    • Creepoman

      The conversion factor (English units, of course) is 2.63.

  • bubbuhh

    Some facts missing from this piece of sloppy journalism. First, Negroponte had nothing to do with Iran-Contra. Second, the Clintons know Negroponte well. John Negroponte served as Ambassador to the Philipines from 1993 to 1996. I’m not going to defend either Clinton or Negroponte, but I will say I expect better from Wonkette.

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      He was ambassador to Honduras, and there was a base in Honduras, and Eugene Hasenfus flew out of that base, and he got shot down over Nicaragua, and that’s how Iran-Contra got exposed. Connect the dots!
      http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_GTg22gKuOfk/TP0IelKasaI/AAAAAAAAABY/fyF2lIQ3nbA/s1600/Preview001.png

      • bubbuhh

        Sounds like something I might find on, say Breitbart. Negroponte was a professional diplomat.

        • thenearesthippie

          Doesn’t mean he doesn’t stink.

    • rebecca

      except for the School of the Americas and Battalion 316. But other than those.

      • jmhm

        Negroponte is a vicious rich kid who’s spent his adult life playing first person shooter Risk with the world. Henry fucking Kissinger thinks his carelessness with lives is irresponsible. He’s pretty much the scum of the earth.

        I get why she’s doing it – all they need to do is pry the House away from these people once and once everyone gets to vote they’ll never get a lot of those seats back – but it’s squicky. She’s better than her husband.

      • UncleTravelingMatt

        Oh, lighten up. It’s not like he personally killed villagers and raped nuns. By your logic, if I trained someone to break into houses, gave them a gun, drove them to a house, stood on the front lawn while they killed the residents, then lied to the cops about what happened, I’d be a bad person.

      • HogeyeGrex

        El Aguacate air base, etc.
        He wasn’t known as the Proconsul of Honduras for nothing.

      • bubbuhh

        What bullshit. The School of the Americas and Battalion 316 were CIA operations, not diplomatic efforts. Your roots are showing.

    • CapnFatback

      I think the worst thing you claimed is that our mommyblog engages in journalism. I love Wonkette long time, but it’s a news filter, not news.

  • Enfant Terrible

    Gack. It’s a bit early for Preznit Hillz to be serving up shit sandwiches.

  • greyXstar

    “Negroponte?? She’s fixin’ to put more negros in charge!!”

    – every Trumpkin, probably.

  • Justno

    Wonkette never fails me in justifying day drinking.

  • Ms.MLG1979

    I’m definitely voting Trump now. That way, I’m positive I made the worst possible choice

    • limberrat

      Why not Jill Stein? You can have a president that’ll spend her entire presidency talking down to you and making strange foreign and domestic policy decisions!

      • joebags

        But can you be certain she is the worst possible choice? Seems like only Trump can give that kind of assurance.

        • Ms.MLG1979

          Trump. The worst. Guaranteed, and none of your money back.

        • limberrat

          Trump is the worst, hands down. I would rather not have WW3 started by a guy who can’t control his temper or lips.

      • Gayer Than Thou

        Yeah, theoretically, but Trump will actually do something to destroy America.

    • joebags

      There is definitely a comfort in certainty.

  • Vecchiojohn

    Good fit for Secretary of the Ton-Ton Macoute under Baby Trump’s TRUMP, THE BANANA REPUBLIC! administration.

  • roberteye

    Negroponte helped foster the “intelligence” that ‘justified” invading Iraq over WMD’s. Perhaps knowing this was bullshit, the once credible and still going to hell Secretary of State Colin Powell made Negroponte sit next to him at the UN while he delivered his famous baby-powder-in-a-vile bullshit laden presentation. Nevertheless, caz Powell sold his soul, it sealed the deal on “shock and awe”, and led to destruction, thousands upon thousands of deaths, refugees, torture, Guantanamo and the ACTUAL founding of ISIS. TF Clinton is making this unforced error is why she gets shit from liberals.

  • Mezzaluna

    Oh Hillary. This is exactly the sort of thing us former Bernie supporters were worried about. You are not bringing any voters to you side with this creep and potentially pushing a few over to Johnson. Do not indulge the old boys club, please.

  • DoILookAmused2u ?

    My Guess?

    Strategy:

    1. We’re in the bag. We’re not voting for Cheeto Trump.
    2. Right leaning independents might like this and vote for her.
    3. Republicans might vote for her or at least stay home.

    • limberrat

      That is how the strategy ALWAYS is. If you want to win you have to appeal to independent voters as well.

      • thenearesthippie

        But how many independent voters (or dem or repub voters for that matter) even know who John Negroponte is?

  • DemmeFatale

    Oh, Hillary!
    Which reminds me, to tell the younglings, (that are spoiled after 8 years of the ever-so-cool Obamas), that most politicians mess up like this.

  • anwisok
    • jmhm

      it’s dugong show!

    • Vecchiojohn

      What the boss don’t know won’t hurt him.

  • jowgajen

    Progressives aren’t going to like it, but triangulation is the hallmark of Clintonian strategy. Hillary is showing every indication that she is working to get some moderate Republicans on her side in order to be able to actually accomplish some of her goals as President. It can be ugly, and there’s a lot of shit you don’t want to know about in the sausage. Also it may not work in modern politics. But this is very clearly her hope, a resurgence of her version of the “silent majority” — pragmatists.

    • DoILookAmused2u ?

      Between her “I want to be the President of everybody, not just Democrats” pitch and…

      Trump’s mouth.

      It’s working so far. There are folks trying to get the RNC to stop funding Trump’s campaign even.

    • Mezzaluna

      well, when you put it that way. OK, I guess. I’m going to go sit in the corner for a little while now.

  • Vecchiojohn

    Man, that is one big rat slithering off the boat.

  • jmhm

    It squicks me, but I understand why she’s doing it. They haven’t extracted anything from her, and she needs the big daddy party voters if she’s playing for the House.

    But it squicks me, all the same.

  • Spotts1701

    Can’t be any Puritans in the tent. But geez, Dems, did you have to use the bullhorn and the big flashing lights?

  • I Only Like Cats

    The way I see it she had two options: 1) denounce his support, the news would have ran with a story like, “Hillary hates all Republicans and Reagan!” because he’s not that familiar to the public and he would’ve been like a martyr to Rs or something, fueling Clinton conspiracy theories or 2) graciously accept his endorsement, use him to convince both parties of their increasing unity behind her and shout “STRONGER TOGETHER” and a small portion of Dems (again, not well-known) will whimper because most of his involvement was never proven and she’s still not Trump, and she should have risked losing Republican votes she already got for integrity and continue to support her, which she chose to do.

    • Daisy

      Exactly. I’m not whining about this, and I’m not going to pretend I care, because, in all truth of the matter, I don’t.

      • I Only Like Cats

        Funny part is, it seems to be the older people who are freaking over this (maybe they remember better)? Which seems odd when getting along with politicians (especially when losing a single vote could mean becoming Nazi Germany, Mussolini’s Italy, or the Philippines right now) is just how you play the game. But hey, let’s not elect our first woman president because she did a not pure thing a couple of times, that’s cool too. I can still move to Canada.

        • Daisy

          Seriously. I get that he’s an awful person, but when it comes to violence and morally questionable decisions, every administration has to make them, no exceptions. Even isolationism is morally questionable. I have a hard time caring about who endorses her. It’s not like she just appointed him as her future SoS.

          ETA: And I’m stuck here.

          • I Only Like Cats

            I thought Wonkette would be more OK with women using men who are morally questionable to fulfill their ambitions and make not morally questionable decisions!

          • parkii

            SAME.

          • joebags

            Awful people doing awful things who are Republican are awful. Awful people doing awful things who are Democrats–eh, what are you gonna do?

          • DemmeFatale

            Yes, Joe.
            Cause the R-awful things and the D-awful things are just the same.
            *eyeroll*

          • joebags

            Looking over most of the comments on this story, in this case they seem to be exactly the same. A man with Negroponte’s history who endorsed Trump would be just another example of how awful those people are (see John Bolton.) Let him endorse Herself, though,-then he did terrible things because it’s the way the world works, ya know? What ya gonna do?

          • thenearesthippie

            This kills me, because you’re kind of, you know, a jerk, but I find myself in agreement.

          • thenearesthippie

            But the thing is, we seem to care who endorses Trump. Giving Hillary a pass on Negroponte’s endorsement exceeds my daily allowance of personal hypocrisy.

          • Daisy

            Yes, but Trump is generally being endorsed by the KKK and the American Nazi Party, rather than questionable politicians. I can’t see those as the same, because they aren’t.

          • thenearesthippie

            A strong case can be made that Negroponte is something far more (less?) than simply a questionable politician. And a person doesn’t have to be racist to be abhorrent in other ways, so I’m not persuaded by the argument that Negroponte isn’t as bad as the KKK and the Nazis because he’s not a racist.

            Anyway, I see Hillary’s needlessly enthusiastic acceptance of Negroponte’s endorsement as a move from pragmatism to pandering.

          • richardgrabman

            Well, they aren’t. The KKK and AmNazis don’t really have any foreign policy experience, and even in the wackiest Trump presidency, would never get appointed to any high level state department positions. Trump OR Clinton could very well put Negroponte in a sensitive Foreign Policy position.

        • CapnFatback

          But hey, let’s not elect our first woman president

          Er . . . what’s that about “freaking out”?

          I say that only because I don’t think we should read an admonishment regarding the Clinton camp promoting of Negroponte’s endorsement as an invitation to vote Trump (or Stein or Pedro or whatever). Shouldn’t we feel comfortable enough to tell those whom we generally agree with, those we dig, that we think they screwed up on a thing?

          And as an old (or at least middle-old), I might suggest you read up on Negroponte if you are unfamiliar with him. I imagine you’d agree that he’s a vile person. The Clinton campaign didn’t need to put his endorsement on the long list that they sent out–there are plenty of other Republicans on there to make it appear that she has bi-partisan appeal.

          Cheers.

        • AngryKatie

          I’m one of the older people, and I join you in not giving a shit.
          Yes, I remember Negreponte, and lord knows I have nothing nice to say about him. But, I also see the situation as you do.

          She’s trying to build a groundswell of “see, EVERYONE is with me.” Not just to win the election, but to govern after she does. Because anyone that doesn’t realize the next 4 years will be a slog through shit and mud to get anything done hasn’t been paying attention for the last eight years, and she’s going to need every assist she can get.

          Winning by a landslide? Helps. Winning red states? Helps. And even if you held your nose and voted for her because she’s not Trump, you did vote for her, and you’re more invested than you would be if you had voted Stein or Johnson or no one at all. And that helps too.

  • Lascauxcaveman

    *sigh* The only positive way for real libtard to spin this is to accept that Hillary will be better at playing the realpolitik game than Trump. Or anybody, probably.

  • Michael Smith

    Negroponte kind of sounds like Blackwater.. hmmmm

  • marxalot

    Sigh. I’ll just leave this here.

  • Astraea

    “Together for America is launching to lead the Hillary for America campaign’s recruitment and outreach to the growing number of Republicans and Independents who are stepping forward to endorse Hillary Clinton for president. The list of nearly 50 endorsements includes three former Cabinet Secretaries, six current or former Members of the House and Senate, six former Ambassadors, five former leaders in the armed forces, nearly 20 senior Republican administration officials and numerous business or community leaders. Together for America is also announcing major new endorsements for Hillary Clinton today from former Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez, former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Carla Hills, Former Congresswoman Connie Morella, Former Congressman Chris Shays and Former Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte.”

  • natoslug

    Too bad Trump already scooped up foreign policy expert and walrus impersonator John Bolton. He’d be a great person to add to the team, or at least get an endorsement from.

  • TJ Barke

    They may have been murderous fascists, but they were murderous fascists that were willing to let western corporations exploit their countries for kickbacks and power over the peasants.

    • ViveLaRes

      So there is a silver lining.

      • TJ Barke

        Not for the peasants…

  • Hairstrike Alpha

    Oh FFS, if you want to peel off Republican support you have to at least attempt to make nice with people in the GOP who are willing to support you. It’s not like she’s proposing aiding death squads in South America or something, are we children?

    • Yes, all the death squad action is in Lybia and Syria/Iraq these days. And she’s been there done that Sec. of State. So nothing to worry about.

  • richardgrabman

    Hillary was no prize when it came to Honduras either. Like Obama, she thinks about Latin America in terms of the same tired Democratic Party meme that’s been around since Woodrow Wilson insisted it was his right (and duty) to teach us in Mexico to “elect good men”… meaning what’s good for maintaining your hegemony and control of our resources.

  • DodgeDixie&Descartes

    Ok. This is awful. I lived in Hinduras during the JN tenure. Allowing for death squads, assassinations etc — I can’t help it… He’s personally charming and generous and brilliant. Those Cold Warrior traits diplomats both right and left had after cutting their teeth in Southeast Asia. Or maybe it’s just that he allowed Peace Corps Volunteers to use his pool.

  • kaydenpat

    Disappointed. I don’t see why Secretary Clinton is touting Republican support anyways. They’re simply jumping out of a burning ship. Not brave at all. Plus, you don’t need to tout the praise from horrible people which is what many of these Republicans are.

  • Joe Beese

    You do realize that Negroponte’s blood-soaked record in Honduras was actually a selling point as far as Hillary is concerned.

    Clinton had no problem with the forced removal of a democratically elected leader of a country; she only took issue with the fact that things got a little messier than she would have liked. In her glib response, Clinton never elaborates on what the “strong arguments” were that justified the United States not calling the ouster a coup, despite the fact that various governments around the world, as well as the United Nations, condemned Zelaya’s ouster as a coup and called for his restoration as president. Dana Frank, a professor of history and expert on U.S. relations with Honduras called it “chilling that a leading presidential candidate would say this was not a coup . . . . She’s baldly lying when she says [the United States] never called it a coup.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/04/19/hillary-clintons-dodgy-answers-on-honduras-coup/?utm_term=.75b41fab5784

    Baldly lying… imagine that.

    Anyway, you might as well warm up with relatively easy stuff like holding your nose at her BFF-ing despicable neocons. Cause once she scratches her itch to launch an all-out war of regime change against Assad (gotta keep Israel safe!) and the little brown bodies start piling up, your excuse-making muscles are really gonna get a workout.

    (And thanks for reminding people that there is a candidate in the race who actually opposes this shit. Not that anyone should vote for her! That would be craaazy!)

    • Hairstrike Alpha

      Because she’s fucking nuts and her anti-vaxxer quack bullshit will cause a lot more death than drone strikes…also, show me on the map where Hillary is proposing to invade. Go ahead Bernerorbuster….

      • janecita

        He is entitled to his opinion, he didn’t insult anybody. I don’t think that we should be calling people anti-semite because they don’t agree with our continuous policy towards Israel.

        • Hairstrike Alpha

          You aren’t aware of the multiple euphemisms? “neo-con” and the (gotta keep Israel safe) allusion are euphemisms for “J-O-O”. They’re Jewish conspiracy euphemisms.

      • janecita

        By the way Dr. Jill Stein is not an anti-vaxxer.
        http://www.snopes.com/is-green-party-candidate-jill-stein-anti-vaccine/

        • Hairstrike Alpha

          :sigh: she uses the same weasel words anti-vaxxers use- the “Medical-industrial complex” and schedules, etc. Does she go Andrew Wakefield? No. But she sends out as many dog whistles to anti-vaxxers as Donald Trump does to Neo-Nazis.

          • janecita

            Did you click on the link?

          • Hairstrike Alpha

            Yes, I’ve already read about it.

        • Astraea

          Jill Stein supports anti-vaxxers and spreads anti-vaccine misinformation. It’s a distinction without a difference.

    • Hairstrike Alpha

      Oh bullshit about Assad, also I like the soft peddled anti-Semitism. Really, round of applause you’re doing a wonderful job of recruiting :claps:

      • joebags

        I’ll just leave this right here:

        “Obama’s defense secretary, Ash Carter, told a Senate hearing last December that the policy Clinton advocates “would require ‘substantial’ ground forces and would put the U.S. military at risk of a direct confrontation with the Syrian regime and Russian forces.” Nonetheless, the Pentagon official highly likely to be Clinton’s defense secretary is clearly signaling their intention to proceed with escalated military action. ”
        https://theintercept.com/2016/06/22/hillary-clintons-likely-pentagon-chief-already-advocating-for-more-bombing-and-intervention/

        Sorry that the Hillbots didn’t have longer to bask in their illusions. Obama at least waited until after the Nobel prize ceremony before he started raining death down on the brown people.

        • Hairstrike Alpha

          Glenn Greenwald :rolls eyes:, pop quiz Joe, when we invaded Iraq who supported the invasion and occupation?

          • joebags

            Hillary.

          • Hairstrike Alpha

            Glenn Greenwald

        • Astraea

          No one says she’s perfect, but it would be nice to get an actual landslide victory against the unqualified fascist psychpath who won’t rule out nuking Europe. To send a message to the fringe alt-right that they ARE TOO the fringe, and no, we don’t all secretly agree with them.

          That unfortunately takes aligning with some people that under any other circumstances progressives should definitely not be aligning with.

          He’s one of 50 Republicans/conservatives who are all shitty in their own ways who are endorsing her, not a member of her cabinet.

          • joebags

            Sure. Just keep it in the back of your mind that there are people living and breathing right now and just trying to live their lives in Syria, Libya, Iraq, etc. who will be killed by American weapons. For them, it will literally make no difference who wins the Presidency. They don’t enter into either candidate’s calculations.

          • Hairstrike Alpha

            Also keep in mind that courtesy of past American decisions if we were to just withdraw those same people would be bombed and killed by Syrian chemical weapons or ISIS. They’re in a no-win situation, you do realize this right? The only way forward is to either let ISIS have the territory or help it be taken from them. You can’t just sprinkle magic pixy dust and make this not the two choices.

          • joebags

            So fuck ’em.

          • Hairstrike Alpha

            Did I say that? I did not. I was just pointing out the complexity of the situation and the area and how there is no easy answer. If the US leaving would prevent a bloodbath I’d be all for it. But the US withdrawing will ALSO cause a bloodbath both now and later when there is a coalition to remove ISIL from whatever haphazard state they create. You can’t just solve everything by running away, sometimes you have to look behind you at what’s happened.

          • joebags

            What we’re doing now isn’t working. Let’s just bomb them flat and keep bombing until there’s no one left. It won’t make any difference to them-they’re dead either way. It would solve our problem.

          • thenearesthippie

            So how do we not fuck ’em?

      • jowgajen

        Can’t we all just agree that Assad is a real piece of shit? And that the only reason he’s still a mostly in power piece of shit is because the other choices are even more smelly shit?

        • thenearesthippie

          And that *anything* we try to do in Syria is going to leave us covered in shit?

          (Wonder what Jill Stein’s plan is for dealing with Syria?)

          • AngryKatie

            homeopathy

    • Astraea
    • Spotts1701

      Right, okay. Glad we cleared that up. Good talk.

    • I Only Like Cats

      Did a bird poop in your shepherd’s pie? Also, did you just post a nonjournalistic piece from WaPo as if it was in fact a journalistic piece? Are you OK? Do you need assistance?

      • Daisy

        Have I mentioned yet that I adore you? Cause I do! :)

        • I Only Like Cats

          Aww thank you! I adore you too! :)

        • janecita

          Daisy, are you all ready for college?

          • Daisy

            Almost. I have to get some stuff like shampoo and razors still, and my financial aid doesn’t get disbursed until the 15th, but otherwise, I’m ready to go!

          • janecita

            I’m so excited for you!

          • Daisy

            Thanks! :)

    • DemmeFatale

      Needs more misogyny to go with the anti-Semitism.

      (And btw, voting for Stein IS crazy!)

    • janecita

      Dude, vote for whoever you want, it is your vote after all. To quote that asshole, Ted Cruz, “Vote your Conscience.”

    • HazooToo

      Seriously, Dude. You go ahead and vote for Stein, if that’s what you want so bad. She’s still not going to win. You’re just pissing yourself off when you post big things like this, here, because people are going to mock it and tell you that you’re wrong. You’re not stupid, you’re not a troll, you’re a great guy! You’re just not going to win this argument, here, so just let it go. If you get proven right, somehow, over the next four years, I will gracefully accept your “Told you so”s.

    • DemmeFatale

      Isn’t it time that you Bernie people started directing your demonizing ire on Trump instead of Hillary?
      (Here in the reality based community, a vote for Stein is a vote for Trump.)

  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    I’m sorry. I know this should outrage me more. I’m just . . .
    I think I’m outraged out. What with the screaming racist cheeto on the other side and the anti-vaxxer doctor and the march of the Trumpanzees and, you know, all the rest of it –
    What I’m saying is, I’m fucking exhausted, y’all.

    • Ms.MLG1979

      It is exhausting. And stressful. And we can’t control much of anything except our vote and helping others vote, volunteering, donating, etc. So, when you feel overwhelmed by all of it, it’s okay to take a break and focus on something else. I have to. I cannot be in a constant state of outrage. We already know where we need to be come election day.

      • Good_Gawd_Yall

        I went to a local quiltin’ bee today just to get away from it all, and guess what the fucking topic of conversation was? ARRRGGGGHHH!!

        • janecita

          Try working at a Planned Parenthood office, I’m close to jumping of a window.

          • Astraea

            Thank you for doing what you do!

          • janecita

            Thanks:-)

        • Ms.MLG1979

          Do you quilt?? My Mom is an incredible quilter. It’s a dying art.

          • Good_Gawd_Yall

            I do, and I used to own a quilt store, and I teach quilting, and I finish quilts for other people! Commenting on Wonkette is just my side job.

          • Ms.MLG1979

            That’s awesome. Mom has made some amazing things. She’s finishing up a beautiful quilt in a flower pattern for my oldest niece right now. If she’s sitting, she’s sewing.

    • Benthoven

      I feel ya. Boy do I feel yah. So let’s be kind to each other, and that will help us continue on for the sake of those who need us.

  • Crystalclear12

    Cats and dogs living together. . .

  • Iron Monkey

    Shocking but not surprising. Negroponte is a foul beast whose bloodstained record would have been well known by people around HRC if not the candidate herself, being such a policy wonk and all. I am far from a Bernie Bro–I really don’t give a fuck about Sanders and his people–but I am happy this election is turning into a walk-over so I may be able to skip voting the presidential line.

    Negroponte is as evil as a human being who doesn’t control state power can be.

    • Don’t skip it if you’re in a swing state. She can’t just win. She has to win HUGE.

  • Gentle Robot

    We can find problems with every Republican endorsing Clinton. I don’t care.
    This election stopped being about principles and policies two months ago. Now it’s doomsday vs corporatism.
    It’s not like she’s thrilling liberals. She needs the middle and she needs conservatives.
    This is choosing between a house on fire and one without central air conditioning.

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    I could probably work up a little more outrage if Negroponte had specifically cited her unslakeable thirst for the blood of innocents as his motive.

  • janecita

    Yay, first Kissinger, now Negroponte! God, I might suffocate myself by holding my nose while I vote for this woman! Btw, I’m registered Green, the only reason I’m voting for Hillary is because I see Trump signs all over my neighborhood.

  • georgiaburning

    Anybody in Hillary’s campaign consult OSHA rules about storage of toxic waste on-site? The required secondary containment vessel isn’t worth the hassle.

  • DoILookAmused2u ?

    Meh, it’s smart to peal off all the Republican support you can right now, and the only reason she’s getting it is Trump is fucking crazy assed shit.

    If things keep going the way they are going, she could pull in 40 states, and who knows what the down ticket races turn out like?

    Unfortunately, I don’t think there’s a lot that can be done before 2020 at the local level to affect redistricting.

    • artem1s

      true but the Senate map in 2018 favors Dems even more than this year and the House comes more into play too. If she can pull off a YOOGE win in November, she may actually get a better Congress in the mid-terms.

      • DoILookAmused2u ?

        right now, the senate is Dems 49, Reps 51. Hope that improves.

      • theblackdog

        Maybe. Washington Post was writing today that 2018 could also go badly for Hillary because there are a number of Dems from red states like Montana, Missouri, and Indiana who will be up for Senate reelection and we know how Dem turnout tends to be in midterm elections :-/

        • jowgajen

          We can hope our Demz is learning.

  • Bub the Leftwing Zombie

    Hillary is in the bubble where all current and former high government officials dwell. They really don’t think they ever did anything wrong, and they can’t understand why anyone criticizes them. I wonder if she would balk at an endorsement from Cheney or Donald Rumsfeld? I fucking HOPE she would, but…
    She should thank her lucky stars for Donald Trump. If she were running against someone like Mitt Romney, this would be a very close election.

    • artem1s

      JEB/Kasich would probably have been unbeatable given their inside track on stealing both FL and OH. thank the FSM that the GOP lost its mind and ignored these guys who are now flocking to the Dem big tent. Maybe they will finally admit that the Dems did a pretty good job of mopping up after the last 2 Bush trainwrecks. Maybe some of the more sane people in the GOP who have been terrified of getting primaried will understand that they can finally come out of the corner and get some fucking work done. Isn’t this what Pierce and everyone has been whinging about forfuckingever? That the sane part of the party won’t denounce the wingnuts and teahaddists? And BTW, I wish to hell Condi Rice had the balls to actually reach across the aisle and find out what the Clinton administration knew about Bin Laden. Even if Hillary decides they are all full of crap, there are things these people know that she and her cabinet need to know in order to govern effectively. They also have influence over people you do want in the tent. This is part of why she got the nomination. Because she fucking knows how to work with people instead of being an asshole obstructionist allthefuckingtime.

  • FlownOver

    “Negroponte” must be Italian for “black pointy,” or Blackbriar, so obviously he’s also responsible for turning Jason Bourne into a killbot.

    Snark aside, He’s a dick and Dok’s right as usual.

    • jmhm

      It’s black bridge, isn’t it?

  • I Only Like Cats

    You guys realize that we’re not the majority of the country, right? We have literal decades of noneducation and Faux News to undo before any Democrats can just say, “You! You, Republican! Yes you! You did a bad thing! Stay away from me!” We literally cannot afford pushing ANYONE away this election, and Hillary knows that. She’s running because she wants to serve US, not just because she wants to be in charge. She didn’t even run for office until someone asked her!!! And yeah, it sucks she can’t be as progressive as she is (which for the record, is left of Obama and probably Bernie, from the research I’ve done). Don’t attack her for being a realist and trying to avoid WWIII. My God, you people turn on women fast.

    • jmhm

      Well, my take is

      1) He’s a loathesome excrescence, but

      2) there is a great deal of this country which is being prevented from getting the government services they’re paying for and having all our lives made better by a kleptocratic Republican party which has them terrified that they can only be protected by loathesome excrescences, so

      3) as long as she doesn’t have to move towards him, it’s almost certainly worth it, but

      4) he’s a loathesome excrescence so I wish she didn’t have to.

      • I Only Like Cats

        Agreed. First we take down the Republican party (which they’re doing a pretty good job of doing to themselves) then we educated the masses, then we can have some purity politics.

    • Look, my biggest concern is that her foreign policy will be guided by these horrible people. I haven’t turned on her (though a Kissinger endorsement just might, as Charlie Pierce says it will him — but I live in Ohio, so probably not). But ewwwww…..who wants Kissinger all over them? For reals.

      • Brian

        why would you fear that? She has a foreign policy record you can look at. She is going to go to war, and it won’t be because of any of these people. It’ll be because she thinks sometimes going to war is a good thing.

      • I Only Like Cats

        But it won’t! She just needs them to bring the sheeple in, so she can make good decisions everyone benefits from. That’s how this is supposed to work.

        • But as the good doc points out, most people have no idea who he is — so how many “sheeple” could this endorsement really bring?

          • I Only Like Cats

            Other Republican politicians, and Republicans who just do what their Republican overlords say, and Independents who don’t like either candidate but don’t want to be the cause of the apocalypse. Is that enough groups?

          • CapnFatback

            I have a hard time believing you’ll dredge up anyone who would have the attitude of “I wasn’t voting for Clinton, but since Negroponte backed her . . .!”

          • artem1s

            The Village. those assholes who have to believe they are secretly in charge of who is in, and who is out. Hillz knows waving at them goes a long way. they don’t really care about getting shit done, just appearances and who goes to which cocktail parties. they like to think they are important, also,too

          • DoILookAmused2u ?

            Educated white Republican men.

          • parkii

            Perhaps she was counting on that, and was just going for the “look, another distinguished Republican!” If Dok hadn’t written this article, how many people here would’ve thought twice about it, HONESTLY??

    • parkii

      I’m not at all mad about this either. She has a long history of listening to lots of different people’s opinions and then doing exactly what she feels is right, and I think she’s right a hell of a lot of the time. She needs to get elected in order to do some progressive presidenting, I’m not at all concerned about any perceived implications of her thanking this guy for his endorsement, especially if it gives other repubs the impetus to publicly endorse her as well.

      • I Only Like Cats

        Definitely! I agree with her almost always, and usually when I don’t agree she didn’t have much of a choice, so I take a deep breath and tell myself she’ll change things from the inside and move on. I had to make another comment admonishing some people because some terribad opinions are being expressed downthread.

    • Ms.MLG1979

      In my heart of hearts, I don’t believe this is an issue connected to her gender for Dok, or most of the Wonketeers, and you know I’m always ready to spot and choke out misogyny.

      • I Only Like Cats

        I don’t either (for most, but I am questioning some wonks right now), but I always like to force people to examine their own behavior. I think the last couple of weeks have put us all on edge.

        • Bub the Leftwing Zombie

          I don’t think anyone should be above criticism. On this, I think she deserves some. But neither am I so naïve as to think that this is as cut and dried simple as some think it is. There are no saints here, all these people have skeletons in their closets.

          • Spotts1701

            Unless you take the position of total isolationism (which is difficult in the 21st century), there’s going to be some dirty business in foreign policy even if you try to make the moral choice every time. It’s the nature of the beast.

          • Bub the Leftwing Zombie

            Even a purely isolationist position is problematic. Choosing to do nothing can result in more deaths than intervening. Any policy decision can be criticised and second-guessed…and will be. Once you have acted, there is no way to insulate yourself from criticism of the results of your policy. You will make mistakes. Some of those mistakes will seem obvious in hindsight. Once you have made a decision and acted there are no do-overs, and your critics will claim that if you had taken a different course (the one they suggested, of course) things would have turned out better. It will be all but impossible to refute these arguments. Many of the critics of your policy will only be interested in using your perceived errors of judgement and mistakes as a political weapon against you. (Benghazi)
            Moral purity is great, in theory. But anyone who thinks someone can be a President or Secretary of State and not be involved in some morally questionable decisions and actions is, frankly, pretty goddamn naïve. And that would have gone for St. Bernie had he been elected.

    • CapnFatback

      It wouldn’t have been hard at all to leave a particularly skeezy Republican off of this long list.

      • thenearesthippie

        Exactly.

    • sadboy

      Not really a gender issue, it’s more related to the awkward mixed record on foreign policy that her husband left during his term in office. There is an undercurrent of vague mistrust regarding the Clintons and the whole DLC operation among older liberals (whose number I count myself among) that make us skittish when she starts making friends with neocons. Back in the 90s it wasn’t such a big deal, but after the neocons ran amok in W’s administration, we tend to be a bit more nervous.

    • doktorzoom

      Don’t know if it matters any, but Rebecca was the one who said “We have to say this is bad, because this guy was a bastard”.

      And Hillary doesn’t have to be perfect for me to support her. I just don’t see how embracing this particularly awful endorsement helps her at all. It’s not like there’s a big John Negroponte Fan Club out there. It would have been just fine, as strategy, to say “lookit all these R’s who say Trump is too dangerous to be President.”

      • I Only Like Cats

        I understand, my comment was more about how the comments (which are not allowed) were starting to look swampish… The turning on women wasn’t directed at you, or really, anyone in particular. Of course she’s not perfect and liable to err, and we should definitely talk about it when it happens. My comment was more directed at people taking the snarling dog approach which I’m sure was just a vocal minority of commenters.

  • ViveLaRes

    Well, poop. I’m not going to be a Berner who reacts gleefully to such things. I’m just not. There’s too much at stake and in nominating Trump, the GOP has put our country in unprecedented peril and turmoil.

    A double scotch it is. Cheers!

  • Scooby

    I guess my thinking is how do you accept any Republican endorsement as they all have done wicked shit. Hope in redemption.

    • Bub the Leftwing Zombie

      Democrats have done wicked shit too, don’t kid yourself. I admire the hell out of Obama, but his hands aren’t clean either.

      • Scooby

        I agree. It’s a hairs difference, but that’s enough.

      • thenearesthippie

        I’m of the opinion that no one can do foreign policy and keep their hands clean. But you don’t have to go looking for extra dirt.

        • Bub the Leftwing Zombie

          I’d agree. It’s not just that they touted his endorsement, in fact, but that you can be sure that they solicited it.
          Oh well…still a better love story than “Twilight”…

          • Oily Messiah

            That cheap erotica they sell on amazon has better love stories than twilight.

          • thenearesthippie

            Any titles you’d recommend? Asking for a friend.

  • Yeah. Can we not play with a**holes like Negroponte? Or Ollie North? Or Bush family bagman James A. Baker III? And for God’s sake: If Henry “War Criminal” Kissinger comes out of his crypt and gives you his endorsement, keep in under your GD hat. I can’t be seen with him. Lordy……

    • DoILookAmused2u ?

      Ollie North is worth skipping. Although, it might be fun to wave him in Republican faces too.

      • Mezzaluna

        I think Ollie drank the partisan Koolaid long ago. Also I never got the impression he was the sharpest tool in the shed anyway.

  • Brian

    Doe Tim Kaine’s work in Honduras offset Negroponte’s work there?

    But, seriously, I could care less who endorses Hillary and who’s endorsement she accepts or disavows. Because she has a long track record and you pretty much know what she’ll try to do as president and what she won’t. Will we be in more wars, probably, but that won’t be because of anyone who endorsed her. And that’s the difference between people endorsing her and people endorsing Donald Trump. It does matter who endorses him because he has no record that proves he won’t fulfill every David Duke wet dream.

    I said this before, but I’ll repeat it, the Bernie folks would be raising just as much hell if Bernie accepted Hillary’s endorsement because she voted for Iraq and pushed to go into Libya. As they proved during the convention. Hillary isn’t compromising any morals or principles by accepting an endorsement that will have zero impact on her Presidency. What she continues to do is build a coalition of people that make it easier for some right wing holdouts to vote for her, which is good. It is good to have people that should hate you say you can be trusted. It may change the mind of a few people who don’t trust you. This election is important. Every vote matters.

    • DoILookAmused2u ?

      Why don’t we hermetically seal ourselves in a bubble and shout, “I don’t care if you like me cuz I hate you to bits”? Also, lets’ manufacture our own reality while we’re in there.

      Wait a minute….

    • thenearesthippie

      I dunno, I think there are some endorsements any decent human being should disavow. Negroponte’s might not be one of them, but if you’ll accept *any* endorsement, you’re Donald Trump.

      • Brian

        that’s kind of the point. she won’t accept every endorsement. Like how she immediately wanted it made known she wanted no part of the father of the Orlando shooter. The main thing being, I trust her judgement to decide these things.

        • jowgajen

          The I trust her judgement is the heart of it, isn’t it? Isn’t that really the thing we are voting for? All of the rest is window dressing.

  • Hairstrike Alpha

    So I guess since Hillary was endorsed by a guy with a pretty lousy record we should all vote Jill Stein now…I’m going to start refusing vaccines and using homeopathy instead of medicine in support. Then I’ll get to work on building my fallout shelter after Drumpf gets elected.

    • beavertank

      Have you considered voting homoepathically? I hear if you tear your ballot up into little bits, each bit is infused with the knowledge of your vote but still counted separately. It’s a weird trick for ballot box stuffing that isn’t even illegal.

    • theblackdog

      Don’t forget to turn off your Wi-Fi or else you’ll get the brain cancerz and your kids will be autistic foreverz.

    • doktorzoom

      This isn’t a condemnation of Hillz; it’s more like this:

      http://iambrony.steeph.tp-radio.de/mlp/gif/158447__UNOPT__.gif

      • Hairstrike Alpha

        Oh I know, I wasn’t referring to you Dok I was merely directing that at the Jill Stein supporters who’ll try to swoop in with a smug “see? she’s a warmonger!”

        • jmhm

          I think they’ve sort of blunted the impact of their condemnation by being wildly offended by absolutely everything she does while handwaving pretty much everything else.

      • jmhm

        I stopped watching for a while, and I was amazed when I got back how many ‘sensible centrists’ who were for the war because Serious are on her because (I’m astonished to discover) everybody knew better. And Negroponte was one of those Serious voices.

        It’s all very dispiriting. I just hope the purity bloodbath on the right after the election keeps them busy so she can get something done.

        And it’s all very dispiriting.

  • ViveLaRes

    This is why Wonkette is one of the very few blogs I read regularly, and the only one where I would read the comments if they were allowed. The amount of stupidity and hate-mongering by both sides on every other blog I’ve seen makes me want to cry. Yeah, we snark and disagree and sometimes half of us hold our nose. But the Wonketariat should be extremely proud of the intelligence, historical perspective, political savvy and compassion on this here mommyblog. If not for you guys, I would probably have checked out of this election cycle by now.

    • beavertank

      The key to our comments section is the liberal application of alcohol and a disdain for the world so deep and seething that it can only ever be expressed sarcastically.

      So we’re like WASPs, except without the necessary inclusion of the W part, or the AS part, or the P part.

  • Callyson

    OK, I’m of two minds here.

    On one hand, after reading the Esquire piece I see Dok’s point. Can’t say I am surprised that Hillary wants to look tough when it comes to foreign policy in the age of ISIS, but I’m definitely happier about her endorsement from Elizabeth Warren than this one.

    OTOH, I don’t see what this changes vis a vis what Hillary will do in office. And I’m still making calls for her tonight. Is she perfect? No. Is she the best candidate? Absolutely.

    • clubseal

      I’ve heard on more than one occasion the reasonable question of what Donald Trump could do to lose the support of his die hard fans (probably from the absolutely awesome Samantha Bee show) but I’ve never heard it directed at Hillary supporters.

      I’m not saying this is a case that would make people turn away – hell, our own Nobel Peace Prize winning President has the blood of a few thousand on his hands delivered by drone – but it does pique my curiosity. I might posit that the alternative is so bad, that there’s just about nothing that would keep a Hillary voter from casting that vote.

      • thenearesthippie

        So, I’ve been thinking about your question. I can’t define exactly the point at which I’d stop supporting Hillary, but I’d know that point when I saw it. Like pornography.

  • artem1s

    really, all this angst over this list of new endorsements sounds an
    awful lot like, ‘oh nos, she hypnotized all the super delegates! that’s
    cheating’. FFS, she has been lauded far and wide from both sides of
    the aisle as being able to work with her natural enemies and still get
    things done. I kinda think that’s why people voted for her, isn’t it?
    Are the Dems supposed to let the purity police hamstring her campaign for doing what she said she was going to do? Actually.Govern. Get.shit.done. Not everyone who is fleeing the Trumptanic is going to be equally valuable but if they bring others with them, and end the fucking gridlock in Congress, why not use this moment to move things along in that direction. Sure as shit this opportunity disappears once McConnell and his asshole buddies declare their first, last and only job is to make sure nothing at all happens for the next 4 years on January 21st. Also,too, sooner or later some of these people are going to realize that Garland looks like a pretty good SCOTUS candidate too. If they all start flocking towards getting his appointment cleared, are we gonna turn up our nose and demand Obama disavow him? Let the woman work FFS. That’s why she is the nominee.

    • Oily Messiah

      It would be a good start not to tout the endorsements of butchers like Negroponte. This is the second time she’s made this mistake too, like when she touted her relationship with Kissinger during the debate. One of her biggest issues is that she is too hawkish for a lot of democrats to be comfortable with, why play up the endorsement of neo-cons. You can still work with them without doing that. This isn’t a purity question.

      • parkii

        Oh FFS with the Kissenger stuff, Bernie praised Winston Churchill in that same debate, a guy who thought it was cool to STARVE people to death.

        • Oily Messiah

          Yes, but clinton mention Kissenger in the context of her foreign policy. Context matters. I’m not saying Hillary is the worst, I just strongly disagree with her on FP matters, and touting negroponte’s endorsement doesn’t give me hope that she’ll even continue in Obama’s FP line, much less move to its left.

          • parkii

            So what exactly does Bernie admire Churchill for? His domestic policy? Also, what percentage of Democrats do you think believe her to be “too hawkish” on FP? A lot is kind of vague. I personally don’t find her too hawkish at all, that’s the sort of thing I have only heard from sad Bernie fans, the kind who also like to say they aren’t really Democrats anyway.

          • Oily Messiah

            40-55% of democrats. Not a majority, but sitll a lot. Then again most voters don’t understand shit about foreign policy. That’s why the deep state / traditional foreign policy school has had control of US foreign policy for so long despite multiple switches in administrations and parties.

            Bernie mentioned Churchill in the context a war-time leader for Britain, acknowledging his leadership while denouncing his politics.

          • parkii

            Is that a poll number, or your anecdotal guess? Because if we’re going by anecdotal evidence, the only people I know who like to call Hillary too hawkish (and who tend to refer to US FP as “imperialistic”) are Bernie fans. Anecdotally, it seems to me that this is something that Bernie fans like to say about her rather than a reflection of how Democrats in general view her FP policy views, along with “corporatist” and “shill.”

            I didn’t say anything about having to be with her 100%.

            Also, he didn’t denounce his politics. Calling him “kind of a Conservative guy” is not a denouncement of his politics. My whole point is that to condemn her for admiring some things about Kissinger while excusing his admiration of some things about Churchill is just silly.

          • Oily Messiah

            Poll numbers based on approval among democrats of different foreign policy positions. They don’t poll her general “foreign policy.” But considering Bernie took about 43% of democrats in the primary, that number would make sense. Wow it took a real great effort to realize that people who voted for Bernie (who tend more left) tend to dislike Hillary’s FP versus those who voted for Clinton, who tend more moderate and centrist.

            Bernie isn’t perfect on foreign policy either. He’d continue to support drone wars and other imperialism abroad. But he’s also not a contender in the race which is why its fair to criticize Hillary for her continued flirtation with war criminals and neo-conservatives without mentioning Bernie and Churchill. Your point was moot when the nomination was finalized.

          • parkii

            Ohhh, I see, you really believe that Bernie voters are all left and Hillary voters are centrist. Gotcha. Nice chat.

            By the way, continuing to criticize Hillary during the GE is only going to achieve one thing, and that one thing isn’t going to be Hillary deciding to be more like you think she should be.

          • Oily Messiah

            No I don’t think all Bernie voters are left and all Hillary voters are centrist and I didn’t say that either. I said Bernie voters tend more left and Hillary voters tend more centrist. And then fearmongering about Trump, yay. Don’t speak ill of our leaders, don’t question or criticize, just Obey.

          • parkii

            Sorry, I should have been more clear, I meant continuing to criticize her with the same hyperbole employed during the primary. I don’t think any fearmongering is necessary when it comes to Trump, he has mongered all the fear already.

          • Oily Messiah

            And that’s just it, I don’t thinks its hyberbole to criticize her for listing Henry Kissinger on her list of FP advisors and touting his praise of her FP because Henry Kissinger is a murderer and war criminal. Not someone any democratic candidate should want to associate themselves with. Same for Negroponte.

          • Oily Messiah

            In my mind, she might have as well said “Dick Cheney” when the question was asked.

          • parkii

            We’re just going to have to agree to disagree that Henry Kissinger is in the same realm as Cheney and Negroponte. I find that assertion hyperbolic. And I also think that a person as smart as Hillary is able to glean knowledge from someone who has an awful lot of it without agreeing with everything that person has ever done.

          • Oily Messiah

            I will absolutely vote for Hillary come Nov 8, but until then, I will absolutely say, Hey don’t tout the endorsements of murdering murderers all I want.

          • jowgajen

            The Berners and Greens who believe that disengagement and unilateral disarmament is going to solve the most intractable conflicts and hatreds of the last two or three millennia are being willfully naive. (For that matter so are the isolationist Trumpites.)

            We have learned from recent history that major problems can be improved through repeated nonviolent engagement. Through continued diplomacy we have improved our relationships with Germany, Japan, Russia, China and even Iran. This process is slow, ugly, painful and frustrating.

            There are real evil sons of bitches out there, and our countries tolerance for pain is very low. It is deep within our culture to take crushing revenge when harmed. That culture may be forced to change, but it’s not going to happen between now and November.

          • Oily Messiah

            Tell me about the US history of non-violent engagement in Korea, Vietnam, the middle east, Libya, Chile, Venezuela, Honduras, Columbia, the Iran-Contra, Iraq, Syria…. oh yeah right.

          • Hairstrike Alpha

            So you’re arguing for North Korean forceful unification with the South? Because until the US stepped in that’s EXACTLY what was going to happen. As for Venezuela, I have no idea what you’re referring to there. Syria….uhm, I’m not actually super opposed to Assad being deposed but only if there is actual democracy installed by way of constitutional democracy.

          • Oily Messiah

            Nah, I have no real issue with the Korean War outside of its use in justifying decades of foreign policy blunders.

          • jowgajen

            Forgot Afghanistan.

            I don’t want to trigger you. I think you and I probably agree on a lot of things. I just feel you are angry out of context, you can’t judge past conflicts upon current circumstances. (Or judge 1977 Kissinger by 2016 values. Or 1837 Andrew Jackson. Etc.)

            I cried when the Iraq war vote passed, we didn’t know that there were no WMD but we DID know there was no link to Al Qaeda. It was so clearly about oil and W’s daddy’s honor rather than the national interest. At the same time it was very very clear that there was broad political support for that war, something many have been trying to blame our leaders for without doing their own soul searching.

            Our elites, the people we depend upon to discern the truth and propose the best course of action, took the rage and hurt the American people were feeling after 9/11 and directed it towards their own ends. Only now are Americans understanding the depths of this betrayal.

            But we cannot succumb to demagoguery disguised as populism. Nor can afford to be led by bumper sticker slogans. We have to choose to be our better selves and trust that those around us could do the same. Which is why you might be happy that John Negropointe has chosen to support the best candidate in this race, and not forever condemn him as being the worst thing he has ever done.

          • Oily Messiah

            I don’t really get triggered, so don’t worry about that, and I deliberately left out Afghanistan because its the closest thing to a justified war the US has engaged in since Korea (I included Korea because it really marked the start of modern US Foreign Policy).

            I’m certainly not trying to judge the actions of past figures by modern values. In terms of any values, I find the actions of men like Kissinger and Jackson to be horrific, it is only by viewing others as subordinate to the imperial interests of America that they did what they did. There is a reason Kissinger doesn’t really leave the US; he’d be extradited and tried in the Hague in any ICC signatory country. When you look at the things he did in Argentina and Chile in East Timor, Banglasdesh, and Vietnam (Khmer Rouge?), a lot of its is objectively awful.

            And I do recognize that we’re all not pure here. I supported the Iraq war in 2003 (I was 15 at the time) largely because I was raised republican, reformed protestant, and upper middle class. It took a lot of personal soul searching and learning to come to the truth.

            And this is the crux of it, I don’t trust the American elites to make the decisions. They’ve proved over and over that they serve the interests of American businesses and campaign contributors. They serve the MIC and perpetual proxy wars. We need to hold them accountable for this, and that includes when Clinton cozies up to members of the GOP foreign policy establishment who are objectively awful.

            I absolutely agree that demagoguery and artificial populism have driven a lot in this election, just look at Trump. However, Clinton doesn’t need to tout the endorsement of people like Negroponte. Let him endorse the candidate he thinks is best, that’s fine and its his right as an American. Clinton doesn’t need to disavow it, but she shouldn’t trumpet either. I simply don’t think she will benefit that much from this endorsement, and touting it makes her look worse to the progressive left.

          • Oily Messiah

            But of course how dare we “sad Bernie fans” express disdain for imperialistic foreign policy that makes us all less safe. Got to be 100% for Hillary or not at all right.

  • duckshoe

    This isn’t the only “awk-warrrrddd” entry on the list, which includes Michael Chertoff; as special counsel to the Whitewater investigation he was an avid Clinton basher, and Hillary returned the favor by being the sole dissenting vote when he was nominated as an appellate judge. Any endorsement by a panel pf prominent Repubs is going to be like being given a paisley and denim suit jacket by your eccentric aunt, best to smile and move on.

  • azeyote

    next she’ll drag out Kissinger, who she summer vacations with, and parade that war criminal around the podium too – why can’t she just stop being such an idiot – oh that’s right she’s a war mongering idiot too –

    • clubseal

      Kissinger was the first thing I thought of when I saw this. All the real Americans think his war crimes are just dandy, and I doubt Clinton is any different.

    • Hairstrike Alpha

      Jill Stein’s VP thinks Bashar Al Assad is a swell guy. Just thought I’d bring that out for you because ya know….you greenies are such wonderful judges of character.

  • Walter Wellstone

    John Negroponte, John Poindexter, Eliott Abrams, William Casey, George Schultz… What a bunch. To hardcore Democrats these guys are (and should be) more toxic than a urinal cake leftover in a restroom in Chenobyl and yet here we are.

    • I left the Republican Party to get away from these guys…

      • Walter Wellstone

        I saw first-hand what these motherfuckers did in Central America in the 1980s. It is thanks to them that the region was left flooded with military-grade weapons in the hands of teenagers with no education and no prospects. Once the war was over in Nicaragua Elliot Abrams came up with a plan to cut down the forests of Eastern Honduras near the border with Nicaragua and use airships to take the loot out to barges anchored offshore–no jobs for the locals, no infrastructure left for the country’s benefit and nothing but an environmental disaster for the people of Honduras. Fortunately the locals were smart enough to oppose the project and strong enough to prevent it from being implemented.

        • I was a Mormon missionary in Buenos Aires at the end of the dictatorship, walking past the Madres de la Plaza de Mayo every day. They just stood there silently in front of the presidential palace, dressed in black, holding portraits of their disappeared children and grandchildren. I was still there when they started pulling all the bodies out of the unmarked graves.

          • thenearesthippie

            This is a weird thing to upvote, but you know what I mean.

          • Walter Wellstone

            When Jimmy Carter cut off military aid to El Salvador in 1978 (or ’79) after the gross human rights violations the army in collusion with ARENA engaged in I thought we, for one, had a chance to claim the moral high-ground. Then, in 1980, that Reagan piece of shit gave the Salvadoran Army a fucking blank check and all the weapons and ammo they needed. The rest is some of the saddest history I had the misfortune to witness. Fuck Negroponte. Fuck Reagan.

          • They were so proud of their crimes it was hard for them to stick to even the pro forma lies. And when the Tower commission exposed everything, it made them heroes with the right wing. Yeah. Fuck them.

  • UnsaltedSinner

    For fuck’s sake. How many votes does she think this repulsive cat will drag in, anyway? As John Negroponte goes, so goes… Who exactly?

    • Oily Messiah

      No-one, the guy is completely unknown outside of wonky foreign policy circles. If anything she is targeting other GOP officials and policy people to jump ship.

    • AnOuthouse

      Some villagers… maybe.

  • anwisok
    • Mezzaluna

      It’s an actual Flame squirrel from Adventure Time

  • georgiaburning

    Is this going to change my vote? No. I can understand the Repubs jumping ship and it was a part of Bill Clinton’s campaigns to splinter their hierarchy and siphon votes here and there. And, I appreciate that fascism is everyone’s enemy. But it doesn’t alter my feelings about ratty foreign policies that fkz things up for years to come. Like Rick did in Casablanca, tell him his cash is good at the bar.

    • Mezzaluna

      His cash is good at the bar but don’t expect extra peanuts or the locals to be friendly.

  • Paperless Tiger

    Trump is the kind of guy who could inspire a lot of strange bedfellows. People who normally have the luxury of choosing between left and right now have to choose between sane and crazy. It really is that bad.

  • Mike Steele

    Sure, I know the guy…bleech…but her chicken hawk, war-mongering cadre of (R) supporters will be old news once the Trumpmeisters start gnawing on the Clinton Foundation bones being exhumed by FBI and asst’d. leakers. There’s likely some embers beneath that smoke, so just hope Bill & Hill’s usual dissembling don’t stir them up. There must be some palatable explanation…Bueller? BUELLER?

    • Hairstrike Alpha

      Hah! Considering your dumbass candidate can’t keep himself out of the news by being an unhinged goon who also happens to be a chickenhawk, warmongering LYING douche take your best shot. Also, your source is a serial rapist who is getting his information handed to him by the fucking RUSSIANS. You are openly encouraging a foreign country to meddle in our election just to get your wannabe strongman dried Velveeta cheese Mussolini elected so he can burn this country to the ground. Now if none of that is strong enough for you: go fuck yourself, Trumpette. I’ll look for you sobbing like the little repressed follower mangina you are on November 3rd the day after rotted cheeseball Hitler is DESTROYED.

      • Mike Steele

        Howdy, hair strike. Nice to hear from you, but sad to realize that you suffer from an acute perception deficiency. I don’t use derogatory names toward the handicapped (or otherwise-abled, which I’m sure you are), so I’ll simply point out that, had you read any of my other posts, you would realize that I find DJT a repugnant anathema to humanity. Ergo, why can’t we just get along as Hillary voters, you tone-deaf, arrogant dweeb?

        • Hairstrike Alpha

          Hahaha nice, you know at first I was going to apologize for obviously leaping on the wrong comment and commenter. Also I’ll note that 99% of that comment would not apply to you as a non-Trumpette so why you’re getting butthurt is actually kind of hilarious. I’ll further add that I was wrong to do that but I will also renew my call for you to go fuck yourself- only you can attach the addendum of “with Ammon Bundy’s used dildo shoved sideways” at the end.

          • Mike Steele

            No can do…believe that was confiscated from Ryan’s cell.

      • DT

        November 9th*.

    • Serai 1
    • thenearesthippie

      Bueller’s dead. Conduct yourself accordingly.

  • thenearesthippie

    Okay, two things. First, we all need to stop pretending we know how to fix our broken, bleeding world. Second, either the endorsements a candidate accepts say something about that candidate, or they don’t. We seem to be having it both ways.

  • DoctorBill

    This is in no way an aberration.

  • snark-lurker

    ….and will sumbuddy plz remind us wy wee Bernie fans are so toopid & rotttten for holding our noses when we cast our votes for bILLERY?

    oh don’t get up the door has already hit me in the ass & I’m keeping the knob where it stuck

    • malsperanza

      Sure. Because the presidency is not a popularity contest; voting is not a personal spiritual quest. Because presidents make nice with bad people on a daily basis. Including President Saint Bernie As If.

      And Hillary is still the right person for the job and very damn good at it.

    • jmhm

      I cordially invite you to hold your nose. I’ve held my nose in just about every election that I’ve ever voted in, and if I’d been given the chance I was planning to vote for Edwards (or, as it turns out, Mrs. Edwards and a cardboard cutout of her husband).

      It would just make me really happy if we played along just long enough to make sure that POC in the confederate states will ever vote again.

    • Spotts1701

      Pragmatism over purity. None one is perfect, Trump is a nightmare (and watching Ryan and McConnell do handsprings to avoid condemning his words puts the lie to the “Oh, the Republicans in Congress will keep him in line” canard), and I’d rather have a candidate who we can hold accountable than a raging narcissist who thinks he knows everything and needs no assistance from people who actually know stuff.

      • snark-lurker

        you got my question wrong, ergo your reply is OT

        • Spotts1701

          As I said before – okay, then. Good talk.

        • Serai 1

          YOU wandered onto here with a comment that makes barely any sense, therefore your comment is irrelevant, therefore it’s OT.

      • DoctorBill

        that’s not much of a reply to someone who just said they will vote for Clinton. The issue being raised is not whether one should support Clinton over Trump. It’s one thing to question the value of ‘purity’ as a blanket aspiration or a justification for refusing to support Clinton against Trump; it’s another thing to wheel out the Trump monster when ever anyone raises any specific criticism of Clinton. Fact is, Clinton has made appalling choices more than once regarding Republican war criminals, and no dancing around with cutesy faux-infantile wonkish discourse (which I generally enjoy) is going to change that. It’s not nearly enough reason to justify supporting Trump by default, but it is not something can be dismissed either.

        • Spotts1701

          It’s not much of an answer because the question wasn’t worth one. I wasn’t really in the mood today to get into a dissertation, so I went for the dismissive response because it’s getting really tiresome to listen to people overreact to every single goddamn thing Clinton does that they disagree with as if she just vivisected a kitten on live TV.
          Is it dumb? Yeah. Is it an “unforced error”? Sure. Does anyone outside the most inside baseball policy wonk give two shits about it? No. In a week, there’ll be something else to howl about. And a week later something else. Lather, rinse, repeat. And every time the response is as predictable as the sunrise. So forgive me if I am a little less inclined to indulge.

    • Serai 1

      I have no idea what you’re babbling about, so here’s a duck feeding some fish:

      http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/Serai/Comment%20pics/duck%20feeds%20fish.gif

      • thenearesthippie

        Hope ducky got out of there before the fish got him!

    • DT

      It’s because you use terms like billery.

  • malsperanza

    BARF

  • going4baroque
    • snark-lurker

      btw being a serious fan of baroque architechture i FINALLY saw what you did there with your handle…when you say “baroque” i THINK only baroque. now loling at self

      • Skadi

        If it ain’t baroque, don’t fix it!

  • 3FingerPete

    What horse Paul Wolfowitz is backing?

    • thenearesthippie

      I can’t imagine it would be Hillary. But if it is, I hope he keeps it to himself. Because if she accepted *his* endorsement, I’d have some serious thinking to do.

      • Jukesgrrl

        He is the scum under the scum, isn’t he.

  • Candy Apple

    I have to admit to a certain frisson of disquiet with how much Democrats are starting to look and act like Family Ties-era Republicans. Just because the GOP jammed all the way to the Right does not mean we have to get dragged that direction with them. LEFT, Hillz, LEFT. The Democratic Party is supposed to be a leftist alternative to the howling demon monkeys on the Right.

  • Jim Johnson

    Is this what they call “The Negroponte Flip?” Asking for a friend.

  • Parchment Scroll

    I finally figured out how to say what I feel about this news:

    Yay, another reason to avoid Facebook until January!

  • I don’t think we need to worry about Kissinger will be coming over. He and Nixon pioneered the “madman theory,” so Trump’s his man.
    http://fpif.org/nixons_madman_theory_was_not_the_vietnam_wars_only_test_case_for_nuclear_weapons/

  • SullivanSt

    Sorry, Dok. I’m a pretty hardcore pacifist too, and yes Negroponte’s a grade A douchecanoe but I just don’t give a fuck about this.

    “Bush’s Director of National Intelligence says I have great leadership skills and my opponent’s are terrible, the worst, sad” is actually a strong argument to the 5-10% of voters who actually regularly switch which party they vote for for President, and the couple of percent more who usually vote Republican but see their nominee’s a landfill inferno, and who collectively will either represent the difference between winning and losing, or the difference between a narrow win and a strong mandate.

    I mean FFS, it got Fox fucking News to run a positive story about the Democratic candidate for President.

    Her statement offers absolutely no kind of offer or promise, not even an implied one, that she will bend her policy views towards Negroponte’s. He’s coming to her, not the other way round.

    Christ on a cracker, why the fuck do lefties go so very far out of their way to find ways to be upset by Democratic politicians?

    • Juan de Fuca

      Agreed with everything except the last line. I don’t think anyone’s going out of their way to be upset by a Democratic politician. I took the post to mean exactly what you wrote in your opening paragraph – Negroponte’s a grade A douchecanoe. Would not brag about this guy’s support.

      • SullivanSt

        The center won’t care about Negroponte as a person. But “appointed by Reagan and Bush to multiple Ambassadorships and multiple senior intelligence positions including Director of National Intelligence” is a serious résumé.

        Only a small fraction of the campaign’s statement was about him, it was mostly “hey look how many Republicans are saying I’m With Her”, and the highlighted quote from him mentioned nothing about policy.

        • Juan de Fuca

          This post was about that “small fraction”of the statement related to him. Nobody wrote a negative post about the other GOP leaning people supporting her – it was about Negroponte and her campaign using his praise for her. The target audience of the post are people who know alot about Negroponte and wish she didn’t put him down as a job reference. That’s how I read it.

          • SullivanSt

            And my point is that it takes a lot of effort to be sufficiently offended to write a whole post about it by the choice of the fifth person picked out of a list of prominent Republicans who have endorsed Clinton, given the complete absence in either their endorsement or the touting of it of any connection to the offensive positions of the endorser.

          • Juan de Fuca

            Fair point, just as I think it takes a lot of effort to be so offended by a reasonable post that you aren’t even willing to meet a fellow commenter in the middle on this one. I’m trying to meet ya in the middle and have said I understand your points.

            Who’s the one really offended here, S-St.? It sounds to me like you are. Just let it go dude – agree to disagree. Jesus christ. It’s a negative blog post about John Negroponte on a liberal blog.

            The horror. WTF?

          • DT

            That’s only because you’ve already made up your mind.

          • Juan de Fuca

            That John Negroponte is a jackass? Yeah, about 20 years ago. Is this news to liberals?
            WTF?

          • DT

            You have so made up your mind to attack Hillary that you can’t even figure out what I was saying you had made up your mind about.

          • Juan de Fuca

            WTF? Where in this thread have I attacked Hillary? OTOH, I have made up my mind that some Hillary supporters crack me up when it comes to how much they have in common with “bernie bros”.

            OMG! Somebody wrote a thing less than praiseworthy of Hillary! GET IN LOCKSTEP PEOPLE! DRESS RIGHT DRESS!

            Fuck that. Nobody is attacking Hillary here. The person who wrote the post certainly wasn’t. I’ve also made up my mind that many people need to either take, or retake a class in critical reading and thinking. Because I don’t get why so many people, such as yourself, are so butt hurt over this post. Just me. A Hillary supporter also, too and I get that was your point.

            Let it go mate. Nobody is attacking Hillary.

          • DT

            You’re doing it again.

          • Juan de Fuca

            You should come over and hang out on the Deleted Comments of the Week thread. We’re back to defending Hillary as we often do on here – come over and hang out :)

      • Gentle Robot

        Elected Establishment Republicans might listen to Negroponte, and voters might listen to their Senator or Congresscritter

        • Juan de Fuca

          I buy Powerball tickets.

        • WampusKat

          They’re listening. It’s not difficult to discern when one does not live in a lefty bubble. Plenty of mainstream Republicans are appalled by Trump and Cruz. They’re not into this: http://www.irehr.org/2014/04/17/bundy-standoff/

    • Me not sure

      This bothers me not. If it has influence over any group of voters to support a candidate that they might not normally support , and I support that candidate, then I’m for it. Realpolitik works that way.

    • WampusKat

      Ads are already appearing in my neck of the woods: Republicans endorsing Clinton’s qualifications as commander in chief as opposed to Trump the national security nightmare. This is a good thing.

      We happen to have a strong military presence here and the tide is turning AWAY from knee jerk R-voting. It would be nice if we could stop looking the gift horse in the mouth for a change.

  • Serai 1

    So…Republicans deciding Hillary is good is something we like in the abstract, but when it’s actual Republicans with individual names we recognize, it’s not?

    Maybe we should make up our minds just what we want and what we don’t. And maybe, just maybe, give the person with nearly twenty-five years of insider experience the benefit of the doubt about whether she knows what the fuck she’s doing? Maybe?

    • thenearesthippie

      I guess it depends on why actual repubs are supporting her. Are they supporting her because they’ve seen the light, or because they’ve come to see her as one of them? Personally, I think their “support” of Hillary is a lot less about her qualifications to be president and a lot more about them getting their party back.

      • Vegan and Tiara

        It also has to do with the fact that most sane people just can’t see themselves voting for Trump. This is the first time my mother will NOT be voting for the GOP nominee. She’s not voting for Clinton either, “because she just can’t trust her.”

        • OneDemin EOr

          Your mom, again, is right.
          Neither one is the answer this time.

          • Vegan and Tiara

            I disagree! I think Hillary is the right candidate.

            Unfortunately, we’ll have to listen to 8 years of the GOP bemoaning how she’s destroying America with affordable health care and a higher minimum wage, but we would have listened to that crap regardless of who had won.

        • thenearesthippie

          Did I say I’d be voting for Trump? Christ on a crutch, criticizing Hillary on this one issue doesn’t mean I’m voting for Trump.

        • thenearesthippie

          I don’t think sanity has anything to do with it because I don’t believe that these establishment repubs deserting Trump really disagree with his message. After all, establishment republicans have been have been dogwhistling the same message for the last 8 years. They just want vulgar Trump and his vulgar followers gone so they can regain control of their party and its messenger. Sure, that means four years of Hillary, but they’re taking a long view. These republicans’ current “support” for Hillary is entirely self-serving and will be non-existent by the time she runs for re-election, if not by the time she finishes taking the oath of office next year. I’m sure Hillary’s aware she’s being used (as she is using them), which is why I wish she’s be a little more constrained in her response to their support.

          I want to point out to anyone who bothers to read this that nowhere in this post did I say that Hillary isn’t the best candidate or whine about purity or say that I’ll be voting for Donald or Jill.

      • Serai 1

        You know what? I’m fine with that. I honestly don’t care why they’re supporting her. All of this is hair-splitting when there’s a fucking maniac in the election. I think we’ve got to be careful not to let perfect be the enemy of better yet AGAIN. So some asshole said he likes her – a lot of assholes are saying that, and let’s be honest, we need the assholes to vote for her, too. Do we want everyone to support her in order to defeat the maniac and get possibly the most qualified president in a hundred years? Or are we going to let our EWWW DON’T POOP IN OUR PARTY purity keep us from making as many allies as possible? I should think we’ve had enough evidence just lately of what an attitude like that can bring about. The President represent all of America, not just the people that vote for the winning party – it behooves us to appreciate how many people from all sides are saying “if you don’t think she’s the right candidate, you’re an idiot”. The more people saying it, the less danger we’ll be in, no matter what the reason.

        • thenearesthippie

          :sigh: This is the first thing I’ve criticized Hillary for during her entire campaign. I’ve defended her against all the Benghazi email Wall Street whore neoliberal war monger bullshit. So I don’t need the lecture on purity, or the perfect being the enemy of the good. I haven’t said I’m not voting for her. I haven’t said she’s not qualified to be president. I’m saying that she doesn’t need to embrace the endorsement of the likes of Negroponte because I think she’s better than that.

          Eh. Fuck it.

          • FreeCandyVanDriver

            Not only that, but she /should be/ better than that. The most obvious reason people despise Hillary is a her political tone-deafness. Hillary does as she does and “fuck you if you can’t take a joke.” Instead of at least trying to not alienate Bernie supporters, all her actions to date say “I don’t need your fucking votes, assholes.”

            But then all this shit about “unity.”

            Yeah, unity *this.*

            I swear, if there was a single candidate in the whole Democratic Party that could lose to Trump, the DNC picked her. On our way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, we are!

            I am /not/ happy with this situation /at all./

            CLOTHESPINS FOR EVERYBODY!!!

          • DT

            Yes, accepting nearly all of Bernie’s platform was saying she doesn’t want your vote.
            Just to be clear, THIS is why we make fun of Berners.

          • DT

            It doesn’t matter if she’s better than that. This is an election. She’s out to win.

      • WampusKat

        “I guess it depends on why actual repubs are supporting her.”

        Here’s a clue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O0uv4_ryas

        Another clue:

        “Snyder argues that the world is scary, and even scarier with Trump at
        the helm. As Russia and China become increasingly militarized, and ISIS and North Korea threaten American national security, the prospect of a Trump presidency could be an epic disaster, he argues.

        “There are real possibilities out there that could lead to World War
        III,” he says. “And you gotta ask: who should be at the desk of the
        commander in chief? It shouldn’t be Donald Trump.”
        http://time.com/4360519/hillary-clinton-republican-pac-craig-snyder/

        More clues: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/donald-trump-mainstream-conservative/

        Have you been asleep the past 8 years? Shit’s gotten out of hand:
        http://www.irehr.org/2014/04/17/bundy-standoff/

  • Walter Wellstone

    I think it’s time some said it: Yo, Hillz… Johnnie Negroponte is a fucking war criminal. Stay the fuck away from him.

    • Jukesgrrl

      I read the other day that she’s actually seeking endorsements from Henry Kissinger and Condi Rice. It was on the internet so it must be true. Maybe she just wants to borrow Condi’s boots. But Kissinger. EEEEK! The fact that he is still living is evidence against the existence of karma.

  • Gregory Brown

    My wife earned her master’s at Syracuse U in 1981, Al Haig, Secretary of State, spoke at the commencement in the Carrier Dome. It was intense. When Haig approached the lectern, four protesters in the spectators section stood, dressed as the nuns murdered in El Salvador, covered in fake blood, and pointed at Haig throughout. Meanwhile a couple hundred graduates walked out and the faculty stood and turned their backs to him. When he finished, hundreds of grads popped the corks from champagne they had smuggled in under their robes, and the Secret Service guys, who sported submachine guns, almost geeked, glancing frantically around for a moment before calming down. Good times.

    • Villainess

      But Hillary, supreme politician that she is, would offer him a hug and kiss and any extra guns he needed, as long as he donated to the Clinton Foundation.

      • Gregory Brown

        You are very naughty.

      • DT

        I can get pissed off that people trust Hillary as a criminal even though she’s been acquitted by people who literally hate her guts, but impugning the Clinton Foundation deserves the seventh circle of hell, you uneducated, privileged moron.

        • Villainess

          Wherever big money accumulates, devilish corruption follows. The Clintons have grown mighty fond of their diamond encrusted life paid for in blood , fracked gas and weapons trade, also neoliberalcon privatized Goldman Sachs et al speeches.
          Trump sucks too.

          • DT

            Wow, you’re more unhinged than I usually see.

  • SophieCT

    While Wooing Republicans, Clinton Sticks to Progressive Policy http://nbcnews.to/2aOU2Sg

    “What economic policy concessions might Hillary Clinton offer up to woo Republicans?
    … the answer is: Nothing.”

    The strategy behind broadcasting these defections by big name RWers is to give social permission to others to defect.

    • WampusKat

      BINGO.

  • dshwa

    As I have said all day, accepting an endorsement isn’t saying you’ll carry out policies in line with the endorser.

  • phoenix00

    All I can say is: when you run a sports arena, you don’t only sell tickets to fans of the home team, you have quite a few fans of the visiting team show up too.

  • cosmiccowgirl

    Agreed. These guys (not just Negroponte) are dicks. She should not be touting their support. She’s getting a little slap-happy with all the weird endorsements. I’m going to email her and remind her she’s a liberal, and liberals hate these guys.

    • SophieCT

      I’m going to remind you that you’re a liberal and nothing you want can ever happen if we lose. Read up a bit so you can learn that she isn’t offering them anything.

      • Benthoven

        Fascinating how you’re okay with war criminals and mass-murders so long as they’re voting for Hillary. Not sure if you know this, but racists murderers, war criminals, people who do evil… they’re still evil, even if they’re voting for your candidate.

        As a LIBERAL this is what is supposed to separate us from the Republicans. Too bad you’re too partisan to realize that. As a LIBERAL, I will vote for what is right, because THAT is the only RIGHT choice to make. And if Hillary wants my vote, she must disavow these mass-murderers, not tout their endorsements.

        • DT

          That’s not even remotely what Sophie said. Take your intellectual dishonesty and get fucked (with votes).

          • Benthoven

            OR! You could take your lack of integrity and do the same.
            By the way, personal attacks? That’s all you got. You even argue like a Conservative.

        • SophieCT

          Fascinating how your comment is a classic example of douchebaggery. I never said I was “okay with war criminals and mass-murders.” I said Hillary offered them nothing and that she isn’t cozying up to them. Now stop being an imbecile.

          • Benthoven

            Seriously? Personal assaults? What are you a Conservative? (Yes, I’m aware that can be taken as an assault, but that’s exactly how they argue. No facts, just emotions).

            I’ve been reading your comments, and you’re very much saying that it’s okay. You’re comment: I’m going to remind you that you’re a liberal and nothing you want can ever happen if we lose.”

            That’s not an argument. The fact that these ware criminals are even comfortable with voting for Hillary should trouble you. It means that they think she’s one of them.

            That being said, it’s not her fault per-se, but then she touts their support. We condemn Donald Trump for not distancing himself from racist organizations, and yet we make allowances for Hillary.

            This has to go beyond ideology, and right now you’re VERY hung up on ideology. People were murdered. Brown, yellow, and black people were murdered. Families were destroyed, and our government did these things. Now these same people are endorsing Hillary. That’s troubling on an unimaginable level.

            Evil is evil no matter who does it.

          • SophieCT

            Look up strawman and 3/4 of your comment can be deleted.
            Sorry you are a butthurt sore loser. Sounds like it’s a pattern with you.

          • Benthoven

            What’s the difference between a Trump supporter and a Clinton supporter. Apparently nothing.

            While you’re “looking up” logical fallacies, you might want to check out observational selection and confusion of correlation and causation.

            And while you’re at it,use more words. After all, you must have the BEST words. You’ve got LOTS of words. You know MORE words than everybody else. NOBODY knows more words than you. You use the best words. Sophie CTrump!

          • SophieCT

            Done with your uninformed, unsubstantiated hate speech.

          • Benthoven

            There’s an old saying, “When arguing with an idiot, make sure the other guy isn’t doing the same thing.” And that the irony.

            That you consider calling out war criminals, and the notion that evil is evil no matter who does it “hate speech” is really quite profoundly disturbing. But then again, I would expect nothing less from a Trump Supporter.

          • doktorzoom

            Best way to end a two-week-old argument is to NOT JUMP BACK INTO IT, thank you.

            — Dok Zoom, Yr Friendly Neighborhood Comments Moderator

          • SophieCT

            Just leave the lie hanging there?

          • doktorzoom

            Say, could BOTH OF YOU please can it? I know it’s vitally important to be morally superior to someone in a two-week old thread, but as comments moderator, I have better things to do.

  • You know, I have yet to hear her make a single promise or make even one change in her platform to court these right-wing endorsements. Until she starts doing that, progressives seriously need to let her be and stop complaining about her trying to win. She’s working on a landslide here, and if she can pull it off, she may actually bring enough Senate and house seats along with her that she doesn’t have to spend the next four years trying to compromise with RWNJs. Which means she can actually do the progressive things that we want her to do (and that, not coincidentally, she’s been working for literally her entire adult life.) Can we please just stop buying into the “Hillary is a secret Republican” narrative, please? She’s not. It’s bullshit. She’s getting endorsements from the right because she’s the actual sane choice, not because she’s secretly planning to give away the store. When she starts pandering to the right by promising them stuff, then you can panic with my blessing. As long as the pandering consists of “see, even people who disagree with everything I stand for say you need to vote for me to avoid catastrophe, ” let’s just assume that after a lifetime of playing this game, she might have an idea or two about how to win.

    • Sakonyachen

      Well as a Left Wing Nut Job, I have to ask you what I am supposed to do with my poutrage? I will remain rational for 24 hours. After that I will be forced to argle bargle about death squads or something unless I have an outlet. Possibly even in all caps with an eleven at the end.

      • In all seriousness, there is definitely a time and place for the leftiest lefties to make a lot of noise. It’s just that when we’re three months away from the election and there’s no trading in the Dems that we have, it’s bad strategy. I know idealism and strategy don’t mix well, but right now is strategy time. Let’s just get the voters in the booths and the candidate butts in their seats for now. Starting November 9th would be a really good time to start pushing all of them, not just Hillary, to be as progressive as possible, and start looking for more progressive up-and-comers to run in 2018. But right now? This is what we got, let’s not undermine ourselves. And on the presidential front, what we got is actually pretty damn good. I hope she pulls out as many stops as she needs to to get as big a win as possible.

        Trump is actually doing us a huge favor if he sends Republicans running for Hillary without her having to make any kind of pivot to the center. She should welcome them with open arms, then claim a mandate for her platform once she’s in office.

        • Sakonyachen

          I definitely agree. I was joking btw. I even keep my lefty rants to myself in real life. BoBs think I’m extreme when I lay into them. This is pretty much a non event in my eyes. Negroponte doesn’t mean much as long as she doesn’t take him on the campaign trail, and I know she’s way too sharp to ever give him a job.

          • Oh, sorry – I caught that you were joking. I was just rambling my thoughts about left-wing poutrage. :) I work nights – by 3 or 4 in the morning, I’m pretty much just typing stream of conscious-style.

          • Slavakitty

            Jeez. I’d give an eye tooth to stream of conscious that good.

    • SophieCT

      Because she hasn’t. Despite the Nervous Nellies, Chicken Littles, and BrosTryingToBlend trying to make you think otherwise.

    • WampusKat

      That just makes too much gosh durn sense.

      Thank you.

    • loopus

      How’d that work out?

      • Clearly she should have been pandering for the crucial FBI and Putin endorsements. Who knew that what Americans really wanted was a Russian police state?

        • loopus

          Lol, of course you’re one of the idiots who actually believes that crap. How does it feel to be brainwashed?

          • I’m perfectly fine with believing our own intelligence experts over the former head of the KGB that’s currently running Russia and the rapist hiding from justice that’s currently running Wikileaks.

            How does it feel to be supporting a cheating fraud who’s actively encouraging more nukes to destroy the world with? Actually, never mind — by the time you figure out why that’s a problem, he’ll probably have already blown the human race to hell. But be proud — at least you beat those damn liberals, right?

          • loopus

            Did somebody drop you on your head when you were a kid? What on earth would make you believe the CIA? And who is it that you think I support…freaking TRUMP?

            I hope you recognize the irony of your *supporting a cheating fraud* accusation.

            Damn you dumb.

  • Henry Kissinger and Elliott Abrams can’t be far behind.
    ~

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  • Newcastle

    Where is the Clinton campaign statement? All kinds of talk about it for Fox News but I don’t see any actual statement. What did the Clinton Campaign say? Do your job, find it and post it.

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