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Howdy-do, fair readers! It’s that magical time of the week when we can sit back, relax, and wonder aloud why everyone else is so goddamn stupid. It’s the Snake Oil Bulletin! This week, we have an actor who can’t stop shooting himself in the foot over vaccines, and YET ANOTHER family so committed to their anti-medical bullshit that it led to the death of their child. Buckle in for this one.

Robert De Niro, MD, to make vaccine documentary, with blackjack and hookers probably

Certified medical-things-knower Bobby De Niro has announced he plans to make a documentary of his own claiming that vaccines are linked to autism. Apparently he didn’t learn from the last time he destroyed his career and credibility. Well, the last several times.

If you’ll remember two weeks ago, we informed you that the runaway success of Vaxxed meant there were more anti-vaccine films were in the pipeline. Robert De Niro can be personally thanked for the whole debacle, as he was the one who included lying liar fraud Andrew Wakefield’s bullshit movie Vaxxed at the Tribeca film festival.

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De Niro had personally pushed for the film to be included in the festival, claiming that he wanted to spark conversation on the topic of vaccines and autism and blah blah blah. You can insert the exact anti-vaccine obfuscation you encounter on any Facebook thread into De Niro’s public statement and it would read exactly the same. After being roundly mocked, De Niro was forced to pull the film from the festival. De Niro found the whole debacle personally insulting, apparently, because he has decided to SEEK HIS REVENGE by making his OWN anti-vaccine movie. Only this one will be super so much better, you guys, for real!

In an interview with Vulture Magazine, De Niro seemed personally insulted that the general public was upset with him:

Well, what I learned, first of all, there was a big reaction, which I didn’t see coming, and it was from filmmakers — supposedly, I have yet to find out who it was.

It was Penny Lane. And the guys from It’s Okay to be Smart. And literally all of Twitter. You’re welcome, Bobby.

I wanted to just know who they were, because to me there was no reason not to see the movie. The movie is not hurting anybody. It says something. It said something to me that was valid. Maybe some things were inaccurate, but if the movie was 20 percent accurate, it was worth seeing.

What an astonishingly low threshold for accuracy Mr. De Niro will accept. And no, Bobby dear, it is hurting someone. Because of Wakefield we have seen the return of measles and whooping cough, two diseases we had come so close to eliminating. Still, it’s a thought: release Vaxxed with an onscreen disclaimer: “This Motion Picture Contains 80% Certified Bullshit.”

And they were saying it’s because of the filmmaker and he was discredited, but how was he discredited? By the medical establishment?

Yes, those are generally the people that credit and discredit FREAKING MEDICAL DOCTORS.

There’s a lot going on that I still don’t understand, but it makes me question the whole thing, and the whole vaccine issue is a real one. It’s big money. So it did get attention. I was happy about that. And I talked about another movie called Trace Amounts that I saw and spoke about it a lot, that people should see it, and it’s there. Something is there with vaccines, because they’re not tested in some ways the way other medicines are, and they’re just taken for granted and mandated in some states. And people do get sick from it. Not everybody, but certain people are sensitive, like anything, penicillin.

Trace Amounts is an anti-vaccine film we may get around to reviewing someday if our skulls don’t voluntarily cave in 15 minutes into the viewing. But until then, we’ll note that Bobby is contending that vaccines are not tested like most medicine. That point is true, except that it’s because vaccines are tested even more rigorously. That’s when De Niro dropped the bombshell about his own special vaccine film:

[Interviewer:] Your hope is that eventually people will see the movie?

[De Niro]: Yeah, and you always say, you’re not against vaccines, you’re against what they put in vaccines that can hurt certain people who are allergic. It can kill them sometimes. And there’s such an industry. There’s big, big money in vaccines that the CDC will put …

[Interviewer:] And you’d show this movie again, given the opportunity?

[De Niro]: No, I’m working on something else. Harvey Weinstein and I are working on doing a documentary, but I don’t what [sic] to talk much about it, because when I talk about it, something happens. But that’s what we plan to try to do.

Excellent! Soon movie-goers across this great land will hear some deep thoughts on medical science from the man who once asked his future son-in-law if he could milk him like a cat. And why shouldn’t we trust De Niro’s judgment on medicine? We’re sure this will be as rigorous an examination of vaccines as Analyze That was for mental health. Good luck to you, Bobby, and happy trails on your Munchausen endeavor. And speaking of hurting children through willful ignorance…

What is with these monsters denying kids their insulin?

Our last story on the bulletin is only for readers with a strong constitution. It’s graphic, cruel, and twisted in the absolute worst ways.

Serious Warning: To adequately tell this story, we had to include photos of a child whose parents denied him food and lifesaving medical treatment. We won’t take it personally if you choose to stop reading here and scroll quickly to comment about Bobby DeNiro’s vaccine stupidity instead.

Two parents in Alberta are on trial for murder following the death of their fifteen-year-old son. The prosecutors allege that Emil and Rodica Radita refused to believe their son Alex had diabetes, and that they starved him and withheld insulin treatments for years before his death in 2013. When he finally died at age 15, Alex Radita weighed only 37 pounds. That is two digits. Two tiny, mind-numbing digits.

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We’ve mentioned before that denying diabetic kids insulin is a heart-wrenchingly common thing among parents who are in denial about their children’s illness. A mother in Ireland summed it up perfectly when she told doctors that she would rather her daughter DIE at home than ever give her insulin. Whatever the thought process behind, these parents honestly seem to believe that the doctors don’t know what they’re talking about, and that they can wish away their child’s diabetes with warm hugs and Mommy love. Though, by all appearances, there was no love in the Radita home.

The Raditas first came to the attention of the Canadian authorities in 2000 when Alex, then three years old, was admitted to the hospital and diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. His parents were so adamant that he did not actually have the disease that the hospital initially refused to release him back into their custody. Alex was released to his parents only on the condition that the Raditas tested his blood sugar four times a day and submitted the results to the hospital every week. Three months later, Alex was readmitted to the hospital after the Raditas faked his blood sugar readings.

He was released into their custody again only on the condition that he regularly see a doctor. That plan worked for about six months until the doctor moved his practice. According to testimony, the Raditas stopped seeing doctors all together for three years after that. But in 2003, Alex was returned to the hospital unconscious, with a distended stomach, rotten teeth, and undetectable blood sugar. He was placed in the custody of BC child and family services for a year before a moran judge decided that two parents who tried to kill their babby were totes cool to have him back. The director of the child and family services wanted to terminate parental rights but that judge knew better OBVIOUSLY.

Three years later, the family disappeared from BC and turned up in Alberta, and for the next 8 years withdrew Alex completely from the outside world. He was kept in his bedroom most of the time, and was eventually withdrawn from school. By the time Alex died at age 15 from bacterial sepsis (a condition of untreated diabetes) he weighed 37 pounds and was covered in ulcers.

We feel physically ill sharing these photos of Alex, but believe it’s necessary to convey just how cruelly this poor kid was neglected by his insane parents. Keep in mind these photos are from Alex’s 15th birthday party. The family celebrated and took photos.
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While the Crown has not yet offered an explanation why the Raditas did this to their son, evidence turned up in their home is revealing. We want to be very clear that we are not speculating on an ongoing trial because we are not lawyers, police, or other assorted responsible growned-up folk. We simply find it very interesting that the Radita’s home was found to be littered with Bible verses, all of which describe finding health through the Lord. There were at least four pages of these verses submitted into evidence:
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Again, we are not speculating. It would be irresponsible to speculate, contrary to what some lushy boozehound says. Make of this evidence what you will, but just remember that this kid died a lonely, agonizing death because of his parents’ ignorance and they did nothing to stop it.

Lest we repeat ourselves for the millionth and a half time: YOU DO NOT KNOW MORE THAN DOCTORS. Your mommy instincts do not trump medical science, you don’t know things just because you were in a movie, and you do not have a right to treat your child like your property just because you don’t believe in medicine. Stop it. Just fucking stop it. Stop being horrible to children, elders, and people in your care. Medicine is real and it saves lives. Just stop it.

Now if we could only find a way to get that message to the people who need to read it instead of to the sane, decent readers of Wonkette.

[Vulture / CBC / Global News]

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  • memzilla

    I suppose there’ll be a cosplay version of De Niro’s movie, called The Furry With The Syringe On Top.

    Yes, yes, I’m going.

    • The Wanderer

      A friend of mine draws an anthro anteater plague doctor who uses a clyster. So that’s been done.

  • Spotts1701

    37 pounds??? Toddlers weigh more than that.

    Lock them up and throw away the key. They don’t deserve anything other than condemnation.

    • SeeTrain65

      This number hit me hard. We put my niece, a little, rail-thin blonde kid, on a scale when she was six. She weighed 37 pounds.

    • baconzgood

      Baconz 12 year old weighs 80 lbs and he’s no chubby kid by any means.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    Wow. Quite the career arc from Travis Bickle to anti-vaxxer nutjob. Maybe his documentary will prevent him from starring in 20 more idiotic comedies this year.

    • PubOption

      Is he preaching to me? Is he preaching to ME?

      • theCryptofishist

        I’m a captive audience, is he preaching to me?

  • JustPixelz

    If vaccines are so great, why aren’t they mentioned in the Bible? Not mentioned even once! QED

    • Thaumaturgist

      Or the Constitution? Why aren’t vaccines mentioned in the Constitution, which is like Jesus 2.0?

    • Sakonyachen

      Also too, the bible never mentioned ‘Murica, NASCAR, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Hollywood, Heavy Metal, Weather Balloons and Doppler Radar, Rock&Roll, Hiphop, Bras, running water, electricity, sewer treatment, Internet, telephones, buttplugs, refrigerators, gas stoves, HVAC, light bulbs, drive thrus, cars to drive thru them, paved roads, interstates, quantum physics(I will stop now), and on and on and on. I hear those things changed the world for the better except for NASCAR.

      • theCryptofishist

        Or the ultimate evil, canned clams.

      • Celtic_Gnome

        No buttpugs? Well, there’s another religion I can cross off my list.

        • H0mer0

          I think the term “buttpugs” is kind of redundant, knowing what I know about dogs

  • Anarchy Pony

    Science, how the fuck does it work? Like a conspiracy!

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      That’s been proven with global warming.

    • Msgr_Moment

      Evidence goes in, theories come out. You can’t explain that!

      • theCryptofishist

        Albeit for a certain quality of “evidence.”

    • JustPixelz

      YES! Thousands of “scientists” all around the world are told by the Illuminati what to believe. Then Hollywood special effects artists create fake “experiments” proving the proclaimed “theory”. The results are published in so-called “peer-reviewed” journals. And Obama uses those results to take away our freedom/guns. That just science.

      • Sakonyachen

        I copied your non-comment for future reference, it should be the new Webster’s definition of Conspiratard.

  • anwisok

    Those parents? lonely and alone, motherfuckers. lonely and alone, shown as much kindness as they showed their son.

    I dare say no more.

  • JustPixelz

    De Niro (and Jenny McCarthy) have autistic children. They grasp at any possible explanation. Shame on us for listening to them.

  • Vecciojohn LLC

    Raging Bullshit.

  • Jonny On Maui

    Please. You can’t leave us here like this today.

    37 pounds…

    • Treg.Brown

      Morning Jonny. Too early there for 37 pounds.

      • Jonny On Maui

        Morning Treg. Too early everywhere for 37 pounds.

        Mourning…

      • tehbaddr

        Thank you, that was horrible to read.

    • The Wanderer

      Maybe a day at the beach . . .

      • Jonny On Maui

        I will take this horror that is turning into flaming rage. I will use this energy to tame the jungle. I know who I will see as my clearing blade spins and the flora falls.

        After. After I’m spent. I’ll wash off the stink of my hate then.

        • The Wanderer

          I agree. I need to work off my rage.

        • Anarchy Pony

          The jungle cannot be tamed, Jonny.

          • Jonny On Maui

            It’s exactly like painting a bridge. At best it doesn’t eat you.

        • proudgrampa

          You just be careful out there and don’t chop off a toe!!!

          • H0mer0

            When my sons joined the Fraternity of the Lawn Keepers, one of our cul-de-sac neighbors gave them his own dad’s old Army combat boots to wear while mowing the lawn. I was so proud…(sniff)

  • memzilla

    … we are not speculating. It would be irresponsible to speculate…

    I, for one, would like to speculate the living shit out of these people.

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Got Polio, Bobby?

  • The Wanderer

    I will speculate. With [REDACTED], [REDACTED], and red hot iron [REDACTED] intended to [REDACTED] their [REDACTED].

  • Msgr_Moment

    Robert De Niro, MD, to make vaccine documentary, with blackjack and hookers probably

    Who listens to that focker any more?

  • BloviateMe

    Wow. His parents failed him, the system failed him. How the fuck could that judge give that poor kid back to those monsters.

    Just…wow. I think I need to spend the day watching cheesy Hallmark movies to recalibrate.

    • tza

      Apparently the judge was all “well he goes to school so someone will notice if he starts looking sick.” Apparently the judge didn’t think they’d just pull the kid out and move.

      • Blank Ron

        You’d think a judge, of all people, would know just how monstrous people can be.

        • theCryptofishist

          I’m just going to assume that there isn’t a lot of support for taking kids away from parents, even when there needs to be. Lazy Sunday.

  • SeeTrain65

    Posted this on Twitter a few minutes ago:

    Gruesome story of two gruesome parents. Plus, Robert DeNiro plans on putting out something even worse than “Casino.”

    • H0mer0

      was that the movie in which Sharon Stone’s character was nailing Joe Pesci’s?

      • SeeTrain65

        Either him or Don Rickles, I wasn’t paying attention.

  • “Not everybody, but certain people are sensitive, like anything, penicillin.”

    Or, in my case, anything made with from opiates. Perhaps we should make a movie about that…and until we get to the bottom of the controversy we should stop the production of opium based pain killers.

    From the book of Grumpy Old Man…

    We didn’t have no fancy vaccines, antibiotics, or pain killers when we were young. No! We were be-measled morons writhing in agony and dying of septic paper cuts…and we liked it!”

    • JustPixelz

      My stomach now gets upset if I eat too much tomato sauce because of undetectable trace amounts of upsetium. PROVE I’M WRONG!

      • Villago Delenda Est

        You need one of Lisa Simpson’s anti-upsetium rocks.

        • Msgr_Moment

          Upsidaisium?

          • Blank Ron

            Different isotope.

      • efoveks

        Homeopathy says you’re right! :-)

      • Sakonyachen

        Well it doesn’t even matter if it is upsetium in DeZero’s world because since tomatoes have an adverse effect on someone, we should all stop using them. Big tomato makes too much money to be trusted, just like the film industry.

    • darnyoudarnyoutoheck

      Is De Niro saying that because quite a few people are allergic to a useful medicine that means the medicine shouldn’t be used? Because that’s just stupid.

      • Serai 1

        Not quite. He’s saying that a live-saving medicine that he doesn’t need shouldn’t be used. Because you know he got all the shots when he was a kid.

        • darnyoudarnyoutoheck

          So I can hope he gets Influenza (Flu), Shingles (Herpes Zoster), Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis (Whooping Cough) and Pneumococcal disease (Pneumonia)? Because that would be awesome.

          • H0mer0

            Streptococcus pneumoniae is a common bacteria associated with pneumonia and used to be called “the old man’s friend” because it was a frequent modus exodus before the vaccine was available. There are now two vaccines for pneumococcal pneumonia and the CDC recommends both of them in people over 65; the age would be younger in an asthmatic, a diabetic, anyone hospitalized with lobar pneumonia and anyone missing a spleen (surgically or otherwise; patients with sickle cell disease sometimes autoinfarct their spleen.)

    • Serai 1

      That’d hold if it wasn’t about 99.999% positive that DeNiro had all the vaccines himself. He can’t even use that stupid gripe.

  • SayItWithWookies

    Hey, De Niro, if it’s so important we watch your 20% truthiness film, then show it for free — that way we don’t give you money and can still tell you why it’s fucked up beyond belief.

    • Msgr_Moment

      There’s a lot going on that I still don’t understand, but it makes me question the whole thing, and the whole vaccine issue motion picture industry is a real one. It’s big money. So it did get attention.

      • theCryptofishist

        Maybe that’s his problem. Can’t transfer from fiction to truth.

    • efoveks

      Take 4 people, put them in a room with DeNiro, have one of them say, “Now this isn’t gonna hurt a bit” as someone knocks DeNiro in the nuts, as hard as that someone can. Then someone should say, “This is what 20% accuracy looks like, Bobby. This didn’t hurt a bit for 80% of us. How do you feel about that now?”

    • CJTX

      That’s a great point – DeNiro is basically using “they make a profit” as an excuse to question/discount vaccines…yet I doubt he’ll show his “documentary” for free. (Course, it wouldn’t change the wrongness of his views if he did, but ya know, another layer to the idiot onion).

    • wurman

      So . . . it appears that 20% accurate is in the same category as 20% virgin, 20% pregnant, 20% old, 20% dead, and 20% intelligent. Hey, DiNiro, let’s go for 20% talented!

  • AntiDerpomeme

    Seeing that poor, unhappy kid’s picture makes me so sad. And that was at his birthday, where kids are typically at their giddy best. There should be some minimum competency standards set for important things like parenting. I’d put gun ownership in that list too, but I’m a crazy libtard.

    • Sakonyachen

      I believe we should take their children and replace them with guns. We should also board their doors until they Darwin themselves. With votes!

    • theCryptofishist

      Should have been some follow-up by the health authorities, and that damned doctor should have said something when he moved.
      But, yes, it is the parents who are most at fault.

  • anwisok

    It seems quite appropriate that DeNiro’s interview appeared in an outlet named Vulture.

    • bupkus23

      The logo of “Vulture” includes the phrase “Devouring Culture” – so the name of the magazine is deliberate.It is a member of “New York” magazine’s stable of websites ( I’m not sure if there’s “dead-tree” editions anymore ), and is oriented towards reporting “stories of interest” to and about New Yorkers.

      So, yeah, it is appropriate that “Vulture” has published an inane interview with Robert DeNiro – but perhaps not for the reason you imply…

    • The choice bits come at the very end of a typical People-style celebrity fluffing. It’s like the reporter had a brief shining moment of journalistic backbone and then it vanished like a puff of vape juice.

      • anwisok

        If they are young, it may be a glimpse of a future Woodward or Bernstein. If they’re old, it may be a brief glimpse at a distant, dying flame. Do you have any perspective on which it might be? BTW, yours is the only column I’m unsure whether or not I should read each week. I think you’ve made me do more “The Rules prohibit me from posting anything” type posts than anybody else. Congratulations!

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    Am I alone when I say I REALLY look forward to the return of King’s Evil, the Black Pox, and St. Anthony’s Fire? Good times….

    • Angela Ruzzo

      I picked up this great poster at a Renaissance Festival 30 years ago, but alas! it was destroyed years ago. You can find it online, if you like it. Is there a vaccine for the Black Death? I have a feeling that many anti-vaxxers will be the first people in line to get it if there is another epidemic, which god forbid.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        First in line, and they’ll elbow you out of the way to get there. Because they’re extra-special that way.

      • Melindrea

        Vaccines have not proven successful against the bubonic plague, but if it’s caught in time, the death toll is down to 10%, because the treatments are fairly effective nowadays.

        • The Wanderer

          Good old antibiotics are effective against Y. pestis.

          • Serai 1

            Yeah, but we’re doing our utmost to wipe out their effectiveness, too. Go, humanity!

        • Angela Ruzzo

          Yes, I read about that. I suspect that mass hysteria may endanger almost as many people as the disease does.

          • Melindrea

            Yep, though I at least imagine that it’d be a lot easier to handle an epidemic now, since we know what it is, and how to keep it contained (more or less)

          • Serai 1

            Unfortunately, the handling of an epidemic depends at least in part on public behavior. When you’ve got a wave of bullshit about disease addling people’s brains, the effective response can be severely undermined.

    • Serai 1

      Man, I can’t even joke about that.

    • Were I to type too fast, I’d be liable to catch a heinous case of Scrivener’s Palsy!

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        I’ve heard the Dictaphone helped eradicate this disease.

  • VirginiaLady

    I’m in tears. Gotta go buy presents for my kid.

  • Jeff in the desert

    For this I have to turn the snark machine off. The fucking moronic anti-science anti-medicine people are putting the entire population at risk. And the lousy punk ass lack-of-talent actor should keep his fucking ill-informed mouth zipped.

    • yyyaz

      Too late, peoplez lerved his shit so much they elected him twice so he could make jokes about nuking the shit out of those goddam commies while ripping apart the foundations of everything that had gotten us to where we were.

      • Lancelot Link

        “Vaccination against infectious diseases saves lives and lowers health care costs as well”
        -Ronald Reagan

  • chascates

    De Niro wants to teach both sides of the issue: science and bullshit.

    Seriously, he should just stick to running his restaurant empire.

  • nightmoth

    Remember when Americans were proud of modern medicine and lined their kids up for vaccinations? Those were people who had lost their moms, dads, infant brothers and sisters to diseases that could be prevented in the “modern age.” I hope we don’t have to go back to the early twentieth century again in order to relearn some lessons.

    • CJTX

      The very poor countries must be shaking their handsheads (stupid autocorrect and/or brain). The west, where you could prevent or cure a horrible disease, but don’t want to be cause reasons.

      • Sakonyachen

        Because political and religious groups have devolved our society to the point where all you have to do is apply the term “Big Gummit” to the concept of eating, and wingnuts will starve themselves.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          Which is why Bamz needs to go on the teevee and tell people it’s bad to drink bleach.

          • Sakonyachen

            So I know Ted Cruz isn’t quite dumb enough to drink bleach to spite Barry. Also he is so truly American that he pours out soda from a liter bottle until it is a quart. So he would never ever drank a liter of bleach unless the bible said to. But did Obama actually go on TV and say that? Everything I find about it is snark from libs and cons. Apparently even conservatives find the possibility of Cruz killing himself as delightful as the rest of us.

        • Serai 1

          It’s not just wingnuts who rail against Big Things, remember.

    • Mehmeisterjr

      I do, indeed, remember those times. I was one of those eternally grateful kids. I didn’t get polio and my siblings didn’t get polio, pretty much a win, no matter how you look at it.

      Long-time or maybe even some medium-term Wonketeers may remember my exasperated reactions to anti-vaxxers based on the horrible and seemingly endless series of health problems inflicting my brother which are a direct result of encephalitis which was, in turn, a direct result of the measles.

      My parents had a very strong excuse for not taking him for the measles vaccine – it hadn’t been invented yet.

      The stupidity of these people reduces me to a quivering rage but when I eventually regain my composure, I point out that this quote is a perfect example of their lack of logic. (Any real statisticians, feel free to chime in.)

      It said something to me that was valid. Maybe some things were inaccurate, but if the movie was 20 percent accurate, it was worth seeing.

      Because, if so, this should win me a lot more arguments, at least in my own head.

      • nightmoth

        Well said, Mehmeisterjr. I have a cousin a few years older than me who was one of the last of the “polio babies.” My parents got me to the doctor as fast as they could when the Salk vaccine became available. My Mom lost her wonderful father when she was 13, because he got the flu and it turned into pneumonia. She always said that she was foolishly resentful when penicillin was discovered AFTER her dad died, because it would have saved him.

  • Msgr_Moment

    …claiming that he wanted to spark conversation on the topic of vaccines and autism and blah blah blah…

    “The movie is not hurting anybody. It says something. It said something to me that was valid. Maybe some things were inaccurate, but if the movie was 20 percent accurate, it was worth seeing.”

    Wait. Where have I heard that sort of pussyfooting recently?

    “I don’t bring it up because I don’t know enough to really discuss it. I will say there are people who continue to bring it up because they think it was absolutely a murder. I don’t do that because I don’t think it’s fair.”

  • Logic of Color

    This shit goes on among Christian scientists in Idaho all the time.

    • JMP

      Isn’t Idaho one of those states that actually has religious exemptions to their child neglect laws, so these creepoids can actually get away with murdering their children like this? It’s fucking horrible and crazy.

      • Logic of Color

        Yep

  • efoveks

    If this bums you out, go to the article about Chuck Grassley. There are some truly appallingly funny deer jokes going on there to cheer you up.

    • The Wanderer

      I shall wander over and doe exactly that.

      • Msgr_Moment

        Bet you a buck you’ll laugh.

        • efoveks

          Oh, deer. (You knew that one was coming.)

          • Sakonyachen

            I am fawning over your witty reply.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Wander? You need to hoof it over.

      • anwisok

        Join the herd!

        • mailman27

          Mind if I horn in?

          • The Wanderer

            We’ll have a question and antler period afterward.

          • limberrat

            You all are in a rut.

        • Thaumaturgist

          Have a hart.

        • The Wanderer

          I’ll not dikdik around, but antelope right over.

        • OddMan

          Deer frisk, sir, freed
          Oh, hell. I’m always doing Palindromes and should be doing puns.

        • Serai 1

          I’ll enjoy the jokes, but I refuse to fawn over them.

  • OddMan

    Mr. De Niro might be a good actor or was a really good one, but he dropped out of High School at 16 to study acting. That’s right we have a High School Drop Out, an out of his prime actor that actually thinks he has the bona fides to do a science documentary that may only be 20% factual.

    Sorry Bob, I like my science to have some actual science, you go back to making fiction you Little Focker.

    And really Bob find a better outlet for your splenic blatherings than Vulture Magazine, you turkey.

    • jmhm

      Just one more piece of evidence (as if we needed one) that having enough money to buy up Manhattan real estate during a recession makes you rich, not smart.

  • ManchuCandidate

    Thanks Alberta, Canada City Tejas, for bringing another terrible story of parents who confuse Jeebus with Nobel laureates like Banting and Best.

    • Sakonyachen

      And confuse bibles verses about faith with God telling them to torture their son to death. Not to mention, when they bore false witness by faking the blood sugar tests, it should have been an indicator that they were interpreting the bible incorrectly. My fundie parents go to the doctor all the time. Every time my dad breaks some part of his spine(up to 5 times now), God still lets him walk again, despite being a heathen by going to the medicine man.

      • Serai 1

        It’s the danger of cherry-picking. The bible can be forced to say anything, depending on what you pluck out of it. Why anyone thinks this is a reasonable way to deal with a text is beyond me.

    • To be fair, the family started out in BC before booking it to Alberta.

  • lucidamente

    I’m sure De Niro can get financing from Trump Productions.

  • baconzgood

    Baconz scrolled down but not fast enough……..I am so full of white hot rage now I wouldn’t even care it the ban hammer came down on me….so I will say nothing except these people should be hurt really really bad.

    • Rock Drummer

      They should be tortured for 15 years just as they tortured their son. I will take the hammer blow….it won’t change how I feel about these assholes.

      • baconzgood

        I cannot stress how much I endorse this comment and how much I would like to personally participate in what it suggests.

  • Anarchy Pony

    That kid might be having the worst 15th birthday ever…

    • H0mer0

      as haunting as the picture of Elizabeth Steinberg on Halloween Day at school in her costume a few days before she left us (the story from ~28 years ago–you can google it but it will also tear your heart out.)

      • Anarchy Pony

        I tried googling it, but there are apparently a LOT of Elizabeth Steinbergs out there…

        • H0mer0

          okay, it’s been 28.5 years and she wasn’t wearing costume (I thought she was, but perhaps I thought she was dressed as a Harlequin):

  • Callyson

    to me there was no reason not to see the movie. The movie is not hurting anybody. It says something

    Say, you know what else says something?

    • JMP

      “Not hurting anybody”, really?

      http://www.antivaccinebodycount.com/

      That’s over nine thousand killed by this conspiracy theory so far. That’s hurting a lot of people.

      • Serai 1

        Yes, but there’s one thing you’re overlooking. DeNiro is an idiot. Don’t be fooled by the confidence and the air of elder statesman. Contrary to appearances, acting does not actually require intelligence. It only requires the ability to fake intelligence. There’s no reason to assume this guy would even be able to parse the issues involved in this, let alone come to the only sane decision. That’s what makes Hollywood actors dangerous – not the megaphone, which can be used for great good, but the lack of stringency behind the megaphone. Any idiot can find himself, through no effort (actors don’t fight their way to the top just to be able to bray idiot opinions), with the opportunity to change people’s minds in a profound way. When the actor is thoughtful and knows what he’s talking about, it’s great. When it’s a dumbass surrounded by sycophants who can’t be fucking bothered to find out anything on the subject he’s grumbling about (or screeching, the case of McCarthy), it can be seriously fucking awful.

        • H0mer0

          d’ya think she’ll get the silicone fun bags removed if –oh, wait, there was some quasi-science story about 26 years ago associating silicone implants with autoimmune disease. It was debunked on further study (Big Silicone, I tells ya!–literally!) but that didn’t prevent her from getting them.

          • Serai 1

            Yeah, enough women have had those fucking things rupture that I would NEVER recommend having that shit done. Love the body you’ve got, I say.

          • H0mer0

            or even if you don’t, there’s always someone who does (even if not in an erotic way, but just a filial way.)

        • AlasAnAss

          So . . . DeNiro’s just a stupid Focker?

          • Serai 1

            Not much of a good fella, that’s for sure.

          • AlasAnAss

            Here’s a thought, and I will engage in fisticuffs over it: In their scenes together in Godfather 2: The Vitoing, Bruno Kirby wiped the floor with Bob. I realize their characters required Kirby to dominate the action, but still, Kirby was *fantastic* as the young Clemenza and just plain outshone DeNiro.

    • Triumph of the Will?

  • Robert De Niro IS Raging Bull!

    • The Wanderer

      Raging Bull Shit.

      FTFY

      • Pinball or Submission

        Vaxxy Driver?

        • BloviateMe

          Goodrubellas?

          • The Wanderer

            Clams Casino – okay, I’ll stop now.

          • Rasilom

            Canned Clams Casio – FIFY

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Vaccinate THIS!

  • Tina in Spokane WA

    If 3% (pulling a number out of my ass) of the children who are vaccinated are diagnosed on the autism spectrum–a huge spectrum, and 3% of the children who are unvaccinated are also diagnosed with autism, then that would surely prove something, I’m fairly sure that someone must have done this statistical survey. Except of course that the parents of the unvaccinated children are mostly going to deny their child has autism, they are just “star children” or “crystal children” or “indigo” or whatever the current bullshit is. Even Jenny McCarthy now says her son isn’t currently autistic. I guess she cured him with some snake oil.

    • Sakonyachen

      It would have been cheap and easy(like McCarthy herself) for her do this. She drips snake oil from her lying, WHOREMONKEY, mouth!

      • H0mer0

        now dat’s unfair, since whores, I mean, commercial sex workers do practice evidence-based fucking.
        And I’m sure McCarthy isn’t that cheap or that easy but I guess if I were to ask the price, it means I can’t afford it.

        • Sakonyachen

          I got whoremonkey from an article here at Wonkette. It had nothing to do with prostitutes.

          I’m sure that McCarthy isn’t cheap and easy per se, but as far as getting attention goes, she’s pretty cheap and easy. Whatever it takes to be listened to. She’s been through several different theories over the years as to the cause of her child’s autism. At one point she said she stopped giving the child milk and the symptoms disappeared. Whether this is about her child’s disorder or her need for spotlight is debatable, but considering that she comes up with theories and spams them in the spammy places for spamming, I’d go with spotlight. If she had used her dwindling stardom to raise money and fund research, instead of drooling in front of any camera pointed at her about her home remedies, she might have positive attention and some progress on her child’s disease. Instead, she has nobodies like me pointing and laughing when she talks. Oh, and people not vaccinating their kids so that mid 20th century diseases can come back to kill kids. She’s pretty cheap and easy, and awful, when it comes to that.

          • H0mer0

            Thank you for clarifying that (I also like monkeys)

          • Sakonyachen

            I prefer gorillas, but I also like monkeys.

  • Callyson

    if the movie was 20 percent accurate, it was worth seeing

    Erm, that’s a failing score even with grade inflation…

    • Sakonyachen

      That’s still a failing score where I grew up. Our bar was surprisingly low.

    • The Wanderer

      I don’t think I scored at 20% on a test in my entire life.

      • BloviateMe

        I did, but it was a blood alcohol test. I’ll try harder next time.

      • Scientific advisor: Arnold J. Rimmer.

  • Ikimizi

    If I ever hear that that kid’s parents have cancer, I’ll be sure to pray for them. To Cthulhu.

    • The Wanderer

      But not for The Devouring One to give them a swift demise, I’ll tell you that.

      • Serai 1

        Great CTHULHU says:

        I DO NOT EAT SLOWLY, PUNY MORTAL.
        I ALWAYS CHEW MY FOOD 32000 TIMES BEFORE SWALLOWING.

        BUT I DON’T ALWAYS PEEL IT.

        THEIR SCREAMS WILL LAST FOR CENTURIES.

        • SterWonk

          Zoe: If they take the ship, they’ll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins into their clothing. And if we’re very, very lucky, they’ll do it in that order.

          • Serai 1

            AH. SHE MUST HAVE MET THE GRANDKIDS.

            RAMBUNCTIOUS BUNCH.
            THEY LOVE TO PLAY WITH THEIR FOOD.

            I TELL THEM THERE ARE STARVING GODS IN NORWAY,
            BUT DO THEY LISTEN?

      • Jamoche
  • jmhm

    I hear advocates for people with cognitive disorders ask if you’d judge them for using insulin if their chemical imbalance was diabetes. I’m genuinely horrified that’s not a rhetorical question.

    • SterWonk

      This. So very, very much.

  • Callyson

    We won’t take it personally if you choose to stop reading here and
    scroll quickly to comment about Bobby DeNiro’s vaccine stupidity
    instead

    Why the FUCK didn’t I listen?

    • SterWonk

      Because you are an empathetic woman, who felt that she should bear witness, even if witnessing was unbearable. <hug>

      • Callyson

        Thanks–I needed that.

    • I listened but read it later (just now). Ugh.

  • JMP

    And here I thought starring in nothing but shitty comedies for the past twenty years was the biggest damage De Niro would do to his reputation.

    • Biff52

      I looked at the IMDB database, and I can honestly state I never went to see any of his movies. Many of them are so ingrained in pop culture that I can recite cromulent passages from some of them, but I never saw them.

  • tehbaddr

    The Raditas should be locked away in a cell without food, and let their lord do with them is he will.

  • weejee

    But, but, it you’d just embrace Cheetos Jebus™ you’d see all of science is a fraud. Also and too, those dang smartypants mathematicians are next for making the maths so hard.

  • Ikimizi

    “Harvey Weinstein and I are working on doing a documentary…”

    Umm, Harvey? Now would be a good time to pull the plug, before you find yourself under that bus.

  • natoslug

    May Alex’s parents soon find themselves being treated with the same loving care that they provided their child. And may that care take at least ten years less than it took for Alex, but long enough for them to feel the joy and sundry emotions that Alex surely went through, long enough for them to experience and realize exactly how he felt. That is all. Jesusfuckingchrist, what is wrong with some people?

    • WomanComingHome

      This.^^ I cannot believe how angry I am after seeing those pictures.

      • Serai 1

        I’ve ALREADY had my dose of child-compassion rage this week when I read about Corey Haim. I DON’T NEED ANOTHER HIT, UNIVERSE.

      • natoslug

        I have a lot of ideas for these people, but Dok’s not going to let them be posted, which is probably the right thing to do. Still, I cannot think of anything that would be too awful to have happen to them.

  • DoILookAmused2u ?

    “It’s big money. So it did get attention.”.

    Uhh, no you don’t understand, and that is just sad. Did you know MMR vaccines are produced and marketed at break-even? Yeah, no money, not big money.

    Most vaccines are loss-leaders.

    • H0mer0

      For practitioners as well: when I order vaccines, I do so because I think it’s the right thing to do (like the influenza vaccine for olds and youngs) not because I make any profit especially because I don’t. We take a risk ordering any vaccine since it might expire before we ever use them.

  • Bill Slider

    De Niro thinks his skills should be transferable, sort of like a former well respected brain surgeon who thought his surgical skills qualified him to be a well respected presidential candidate. Come to think of it, a certain really, really rich snake oil salesman thought his business skills entitled him to transfer those skills and become the got it in the bag, GOP presidential candidate. I need to get with the program. I will transfer my Wonkette commenting skills and become a well respected really, really rich who chooses to quietly help those in need and not bore the population with my acting presidential antivax skills. Send money.

    • jmhm

      And yet he somehow managed to play Leonard Lowe in Awakenings without absorbing that sometimes well-meaning parents make unwise, poorly-informed and sometimes downright cruel medical decisions on behalf of their children.

      • Serai 1

        Leonard Lowe was not subject to any cruel decisions by his parents. His condition was due solely to having fallen sick with the flu and then consequently encephilitis. Didn’t you see the movie? This was all explained.

        • jmhm

          I did see the movie, and I realize that his condition was due to encephalitis, but his mother later made decisions about his medical care based on the fact that she was unhappy about him becoming more independent.

          • Serai 1

            Which decisions were those? Honestly, I don’t remember her doing anything other than being really bitched out and unhappy about it. Is there something I’m not remembering?

          • jmhm

            I remember her being supportive of his not being allowed any freedom outside the facility, and telling him he was too incompetent to function, although the only thing wrong with him was frustration and delayed puberty. I could be wrong.

            IRL Sacks said ‘Leonard’ became delusional over time, but I got the impression in the movie he was just frustrated about being treated as if he was mentally ill when he wasn’t

          • Serai 1

            Oh, I see what you’re saying. It’s been a long time since I saw it. Now you’ve got me wanting to see it again.

            I could see he was getting out of control. Sure, he was frustrated, and I totally sympathized. But he was also losing his grip on his ability to deal with things. And his thinking was starting to get disordered towards the end there. From what I saw, the doctor should have let him take a few walks at least when he first asked. He was likely okay at that point, and getting to go out a little would have made it easier for him to realize that he really wasn’t getting better. But the doc was concerned, and after all, he knew that New York was no longer anything like the way Leonard remembered it. He could easily have gotten hurt badly out there, through no fault of his own.

          • jmhm

            That’s true, but at the same time I saw the institutionalization as a paperwork thing to cover the fact that there really was no other facility these people could be put in even though their trouble wasn’t cognitive. So I found it kind of disturbing that the movie (or at least the movie’s version of Sacks) sort of endorsed the idea that wanting to be integrated back into the world, or being uncompliant because they wanted to be integrated back into the world, was a symptom rather than a perfectly natural response to finding out a neurological disease took decades of your life away.

            There are arguments for both sides, and again, I understand that for the RL Leonard the argument for vigilance was actually stronger than it was in the movie. It just seemed a little discordant that the movie fell down where it did given what it showed.

          • Serai 1

            Man, I didn’t see it that way at all. Those people no longer had anywhere to go, and like I said, the world had outrun them to the point that alone, they would never be able to adapt. Fate stuck them in that hospital, not callousness or indifference. I’m sure if they’d had family willing to take them in, the hospital would have been glad to let them go, especially with that miracle cure. And after all, it turned out they were right – the cure didn’t take, they ended up back where they started, needing complete care to be able to survive at all. But at least after that, the staff realized they were real people that were really there, and not just lumps of inanimate flesh.

          • jmhm

            Absolutely. I just have instances in my own family which took place in that same period (before I was really cognizant, so second-hand accounts) where psychiatric professionals made some decisions based on their idea of what was best for the patient which were kind of obviously informed by their cultural biases and not by what was best for the patient, so it’s a sensitive subject for me.

          • Serai 1

            Well, thanks for sticking with me and clearing up what you meant. I was thinking, “Wait, what?” I see your point of view now, and it’s certainly as valid as mine. :)

          • jmhm

            tx

  • Serai 1

    The irony of all this is that the attitude displayed by all the various stripes of medicine haters is a privilege that is only possible in an advanced technological society. You cannot have a fear of advanced medicine if that medicine is not already a part of your world. The kind of thing these idiots despise and fear is the very thing that keeps them alive. Thus “ingratitude” describes this whole mindset more than anything else. More than “stupid”, more than “evil”, “ungrateful” is really the adjective that sums it up. Because ingratitude cuts across intellectual or economic or regional lines – rich or poor, smart or dumb, red or blue, you can be an arrogant ingrate.

    There are people out there who claim gratitude is an outdated or inefficient or useless thing to feel. Well, here’s a perfect example of why gratitude is extremely important in society. This kind of arrogance is what results when you don’t feel it.

    As for De Niro… Well, I never figured that guy had much in the brains department. You don’t have to know much of anything to be a good actor. And although I’ve always enjoyed his work, I never felt like he was someone I’d want to meet. Ugh. What a pity intelligence isn’t something required of actors, instead of the ability to just fake it. (Note that I didn’t demand that anybody fuck him. You’re welcome.)

    • Celtic_Gnome

      Robert Duvall was one I’d always wanted to have a beer with. He always comes across as a genuinely nice guy.

      Wonketeers to burst my naive little bubble in 3, 2, 1…

      • Serai 1

        I’ve certainly never heard anything ugly about him. If he has any idiotic opinions, he’s smart enough to keep them to himself. He knows what he’s about and doesn’t overstep his bounds. Plus, he makes beautiful movies. The Apostle was so impressive.

        • bozilingus

          SecondHand Lions is a fav of mine.

          • Serai 1

            That was a wonderful film, too. I also love A Family Thing. The way he and James Earl Jones played off each other was just delicious.

          • H0mer0

            I liked “Falling Down” also too, especially when he responded to his boss (who said he didn’t trust a man who doesn’t swear) after a congrats on a job well done : “Fuck you, fuck you very much!”

          • Serai 1

            Dude, wasn’t that Michael Douglas?

          • H0mer0

            [Michael Douglas was the engineer who was “falling down.”]

          • Serai 1

            Shit no, wait. You’re right. *headdesk* Been years since I saw it.

  • baconzgood

    Bobby is a character actor….let’s hope he’s researching a role on how to be a fucking moron.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Has he been following the Drumpf campaign for research purposes?

  • Blank Ron

    DeNiro:

    The movie is not hurting anybody.

    Someone remind me again why we listen to actors about life-and-death matters?

    • Anarchy Pony

      You don’t get to be a celebrity if you aren’t super smart!

    • limberrat

      I know I get all my advice from Dr. Jenny McCarthy as she clearly has spent decades studying and researching the issues. /s

      • zerosumgame0005

        loved it when Sam Bee lampooned her for that vape commercial she (Jenny) did :)

        • Serai 1

          Sam Bee is the Goddamn Queen Of Everything.

          • SterWonk

            All the Stewart-ian diaspora (Bee, Colbert, Oliver, Wilmore) have been quite good.

          • Serai 1

            I’d like Wilmore’s show more without the panel. Can’t stand panel shows.

          • SterWonk

            The only recurring bit which consistently annoys me is Grace-as-empty-headed-tabloid-correspondent. Not sure why, it just bugs me.

          • Serai 1

            I find her insufferable in general, frankly. The only person on that show that I consistently like is Mike Yard. The others just aren’t that funny.

        • SterWonk

          I saw that episode, and for some reason it didn’t click that that was Andrew Wakefield’s accomplice.

      • obamafone

        Can I see the toilet picture again?

        • RoyalUglyDude

          She’s welcome to have a seat on this one.

    • Serai 1

      Who’s “we”, white man?

    • bupkus23

      Because they’re FAMOUSSSSS!

  • DoILookAmused2u ?

    I can’t believe he trotted out the vaccines are “Big Money” trope without facts-checking that.

    I get it that the crazed whackos don’t check, but … oh wait. DeNiro is a crazed whacko, isn’t he?

    If vaccines were such “big money” instead of break-even or loss-leaders, we wouldn’t have so many problems getting companies to produce them on their own instead of relying on Government funded research or private charity foundations for so much financial support.

    There’s way more money is selling opiates and boner pills and mood altering substances. There’s almost no money or the opposite of profit in vaccines.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Fuckin’ facts and their scientific bias again.

      • DoILookAmused2u ?

        He’s watched too many crappy movies where the super-villain has plans to unleash a disease on humanity because only he has the cure, and thus all your world belongs to hims.

        • zerosumgame0005

          he has been in to many of those kinds of movies, going all Reagan on us thinking he is re-living those stupid movies in real life

    • Sometimes I wonder whether there is a grandaddy conspiracy to flood the public with bullshit conspiracies so that the real ones disappear in the all the noise and if mentioned engender mostly eye rolling. But as tempting as it may seem, I just can’t find it within myself to believe there’s any intelligence guiding anything having to do with reality.

    • Serai 1

      I can’t believe he trotted out the vaccines are “Big Money” trope without facts-checking that.

      Why? He clearly hasn’t fact-checked a single thing about this issue.

    • Besides everyone knows the Medical Industry gets all its money from abortion and selling fetus parts.

  • Mimihaha

    That fucking movie is currently showing at my go-to theater right now. So I am missing movies I want to see because it’s there. I’m not outside protesting it, I’m not calling up and complaining–this is actually the only place on the internet that I’m calling the management at the Landmark Century assholes for programming it.

    OTOH, they aren’t getting any of my money until that goes away. And they even have a bar!

    • Serai 1

      Unless you speak up and TELL them you’re pissed, they will never know they lost your money or why. So your boycott will have no effect at all. Open a new tab, go to their website, find the contact form, and bitch them the hell out. Corporations listen when enough people do that.

      • obamafone

        Yelp

      • Mimihaha

        No. Corporations don’t listen to anyone.

        • SterWonk

          They listen to revenue losses, if they are large enough, and if they understand why the revenue was lost.

        • Serai 1

          WRONG. They listen all the time. Haven’t you been paying attention? Twitter has changed all that “fuck you we don’t have to acknowledge you exist” stuff. They listen now.

  • Bitter Scribe

    Oh Jesus fucking Christ on a stick. They took pictures of their obviously miserable, suffering kid ON HIS BIRTHDAY? AND SHARED THEM??

    I have always believed in the boundlessness of human stupidity, but this astounds even me. I really wish their sentence would somehow involve their reproductive organs.

    • Blank Ron

      This goes way past stupid. This is IMNSHO smack-dab in the middle of fucking EVIL.
      I want to see them rot away somewhere for life. Same as they did to the poor child condemned to have monsters for parents.

    • Serai 1

      If nothing else, the idiocy involved in posting those pictures is staggering. HERE EVRYBODY PIX OF OUR TORTURED KIDLET YAY.

    • doktorzoom

      Don’t know that they were shared; the linked article says they were entered into evidence at trial.

      • Bitter Scribe

        Oh, OK. Their IQ just went up, I don’t know, a quarter of a point in my estimation.

        • theCryptofishist

          Hearts are still a size or two small, however.

  • baconzgood

    Wasn’t it answok (?) who posted all those cute baby puppy photos this week? Where is he now? I need baby animals yawning after reading that crap.

  • Not completely off topic, though more oily snake than snake oil, how I made use of an hour or so this morning. Disgusting. I’m going to make an honest attempt to do things like this instead of yelling at you Clintonites from now on, promise.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29KavNrIstQ

  • limberrat

    HULK PISSED AT DE NIRO AND BAD CANADIAN PARENTS!!! HULK SMASHH!!!!!

    • zerosumgame0005

      with VOTES of course!

      • bupkus23

        You gonna tell Hulk that he has to use votes????

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Puny Oscar Winning Actor!

  • Daru Titor

    Seriously, their teenage son weighed 37 pounds and they thought it was okay?
    I’m sure Banting is turning over in his grave as we speak.

  • DoILookAmused2u ?

    “It’s Big Money” – DeNiro

    In 1967, there were 26 vaccine manufactures. That number dropped to 17 by 1980. Ten years ago, the financial incentives to produce vaccines were so weak that there was growing concern that pharmaceutical companies were abandoning the vaccine business for selling more-profitable daily drug treatments. Compared with drugs that require daily doses, vaccines are only administered once a year or a lifetime. The pharmaceutical company Wyeth (which has since been acquired by Pfizer) reported that they stopped making the flu vaccine because the margins were so low.

    “Historically vaccines were produced at a relatively low price and sold with a low profit margin. They were add-ons to other products—mostly drugs—that pharmaceutical manufacturers were producing,” explains Neal Halsey, professor of pediatric infectious diseases and international health at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. “The people working in vaccines described themselves as the stepchild of others, and they had to fight hard for the resources to develop new vaccines.”

    • Daru Titor

      explains why flu shots are so expensive to Ontario residents

    • Serai 1

      Jesus fuck, I cannot imagine being so coldly blackhearted that I would ever say, “Let’s stop making this thing that saves billions of lives a year because PROFITS.” On the contrary, my view would be to keep making it precisely BECAUSE it doesn’t bring profits. You’re already getting obscenely on dick pills, you assholes. How about taking one for the FUCKING TEAM?

      BECAUSE SOMETIMES BEING THE MENSCH IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN MONEY, YOU FUCKERS.

      • DoILookAmused2u ?

        Well, at least that problem is real. Production of new vaccines is basically not done much without charitable foundation and Government support because there is little or no profit in it.

        The little that is done without outside support is the bastard stepchild in pharmaceutical research, and they fight for scraps of the research budgets.

        Meanwhile you have goons like DeNiro and the anti-vaxxers implying vaccines are the opposite: a conspiracy to make piles of money.

        You tell me which is worse? The reality or the lunatic unreality?

        • Serai 1

          It’s not a matter of either/or. The two are inextricably linked.

      • bubbuhh

        It’s done all the time unfortunately. One of the biggest cons going in the public sector is “the we need to let the Drug companies set prices and decide what they will produce because that’s the only they will come up with new miracle drug.” The fact is, the big companies spend most of their time figuring out how to gouge the last dollar of profit of the drugs they already make, by slightly altering the formulations or “proving” to the FDA the drugs cure other ailments.

        Big Pharma, these days, would much rather stop producing vaccines which are low profit, high volume items and buy a small bio-start up with a promising startup which is struggling financially but with a promising product line.

        It’s probably time to revisit the laws and regulations under which US drug companies operate. It might be time for the government to to take over essential vaccines; or, to contract with companies to produce them on a cost plus basis.

        • yyyaz

          LOL. Good luck getting all the shills whose primary purpose is raising $$ to keep their grifting asses parked in the Congress to sign off on that.

    • H0mer0

      The Pfizer/Wyeth vaccine salesperson has been pushing Prevnar 13, another pneumococcal vaccine to be used along with Pneumovax 23. The price difference is big. I think only Sanofi and Novartis are making influenza vaccines for sale in the US.

  • Blender_415

    Well, that turned my normally subdued, reasonable level of intellectual reflection on a Sunday morning up to about the level of MOTHERFUCKING WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU FUCKING PEOPLE. IT’S SCIENCE, AND SCIENCE FUCKING WORKS A LOT BETTER THAN YOUR STUPID FUCKING BULLSHIT.

    And I will graciously accept the banhammer if necessary, but… fuck.

    • doktorzoom

      You didn’t express a wish for physical harm, so rant away.

      • Blender_415

        Thanks, Dok, and sorry for the allcaps. But on the plus side, I went to the neighborhood nursery, scored a couple more tomato plants, a miniature yellow bell pepper, and *two* Carolina Reaper pepper plants – this should be fun.

  • Well, DeNiro’s done a lot of bad films and has practically become a caricature of himself. It hasn’t hurt his career any, unless you think being a multi millionaire is a hurt career of any kind. So now he is saying stupid things in public. I’ll still see his movies, if they’re good ones, where he actually acts instead of being a grumpy old bad ass who always wins.

  • Ghenghis McCann

    I was over at Snopes the other day and found out that (according to some raving nutjobs) as well as autism, the MMR jab also causes microcephaly. Nothing to do with the Zika virus. Besides Americans are immune to the Zika virus anyway, Obama, Big Pharma, tinfoil hats, Yadda, Yadda. Isn’t amazing how easily some folk can find another bandwagon to jump on?

    • data_ninja

      I seriously don’t know how the people who do Snopes have lasted this long, seeing as how they probably drink themselves to sleep every night with all of the stupidity that comes across their way. They are the unsung heroes of the internet.

      • DoILookAmused2u ?

        It helps if you give no fucks.

        • Sakonyachen

          I find that releasing furious rage on stupid people works well for me. It has no effect on their stupid, but it helps me to drink a lot less.

          • DoILookAmused2u ?

            They just hunker down like a turtle hiding in its own shell if you crap on them with facts.

      • Ghenghis McCann

        Have they tried coming to work drunk, to see if that eases the pain?

  • data_ninja

    As a non-parent, I do my best out of courtesy and trying not to speak out of my ass to not judge parents on how they raise their kids. (Not out loud at least)

    Instead, I have decided that raising kids is much like a chili recipe. Just about everyone likes chili, and while there are many similarities in recipes and ingredients, it’s always a little unique to each persons preference (no beans, vegetarian, etc). But even with those varying ingredients, everyone can agree that there are some basic rules to follow, like don’t overcook it or under cook it. If you think your chili is good, but everyone else tells you it’s bad, you might need to adjust your recipe.

    I’m not sure where I’m really going anymore with this analogy, other than if you make bad chili you’re probably a bad parent, QED.

    • DoILookAmused2u ?

      Vindaloo libelz!

      • theCryptofishist

        Yes, I’ll take almost any other curry over chili…

        • DoILookAmused2u ?

          And no two recipes is the same :)

          • H0mer0

            but all make one’s burps and farts burn (I say this with affection,* being the spawn of South Indian parents.)
            (*since it seems among my ethnicity, it appears we only insult the ones we love. )

    • Serai 1

      I think when a parent gets to this level, one is freed from the requirements of politeness. It’s perfectly okay to get all judgey when it comes to this kind of deliberate torture.

    • Jamoche

      “If you think your chili is good, but everyone else tells you it’s bad…”

      you’re the idiot being shouted at by Gordon Ramsey and arguing that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

      Hey, maybe we should send Ramsey after these parents? Might not help, but it would be satisfying.

    • SisterArtemis

      For instance, do not put strawberries or bananas in your chili. Do not serve chili over icecream. Basics, ya know.

      • Painter of Goats

        Ahem…

        • SisterArtemis

          well, that’s chili IN ice cream — TOTALLY different

          (and also weird, but ok,
          it’s probably not chili con carne….
          OR IS IT????!!!!???)

        • Lark_in_the_AM

          Note the spelling – chile is the fruit, chili is the dish.

          • Painter of Goats

            *blushes* My excuse is that here in NM we are so obsessed with the “e” variety we often ignore the “i” stuff.

    • doktorzoom

      And if you put canned clams in it, CPS comes to take the kids away.

      • Biff52

        I’M ALLERGIC TO CANNED CLAMS CHILDREN, YOU MONSTER!

        also clams.

      • Lark_in_the_AM

        Oh hell no. I don’t believe you – who would do something so monstrous to innocent chili?

        • doktorzoom

          That’s why we need Chili Protective Services in the first place.

      • Why does the phrase “canned clams” sound so salaciously dirty?

        • H0mer0

          cuz the young’uns aren’t leaving them bearded anymore.

          • Serai 1

            The pendulum’s swinging the other way, I’m glad to say. Young women are finally figuring out that ripping the hair out of an area where you NEED it so you WON’T GET HIDEOUS INFECTIONS is maybe not a good idea so much.

    • cat cafe

      Also, don’t leave it out unrefrigerated or you’ll poison people. Like that.

  • dshwa

    No Bobby, he wasn’t discredited just by the general public. The medical community and licencing boards revoked his license to practice medicine because he used fraudulent data and didn’t obtain consent from the people he studied.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Oh, so a twofer in the ethics free column!

      • dshwa

        Yeah, the British medical board was all “Oh, hells no.” and stripped him of his licence as soon as the data forgery came to light. Of course, he says they’re just all in on the conspiracy to silence vaccine critics and protect big Pharma blah blah blah.

  • dshwa

    As for story number 2, I wish that eternity in hell wasn’t a myth.

    • Serai 1

      Oh, for the purposes of shitheads like that, I’m perfectly happy to assume that it isn’t.

  • Panika MCD

    Bobby needs to leave the documentarying to Al Pacino. people need to leave medicine to doctors–if mommy instincts kick in, get a second opinion. in this case, mommy got dozens of opinions and still did the wrong thing. any questions?

  • Shibusa

    DeNiro seems oblivious to the troubling facts, like of the 12 children Wakefield examined in his 1998 Lancet paper, 5 gad developmental problems before getting the MMR vaccine and 3 never had autism, and he also received big payments ( £435,000) from plaintiff’s attorneys to show that MMR causes problems.

    Also, after this quack singlehandedly created the idiotic vaccine scare, he put together a prospectus for potential investors crowing about a test for a made-up disorder Wakefield dubbed “autistic enterocolitis” which was just a nice moneymaker for him.

    • Jennifer R

      I doubt facts ever played a part.

      • Grokenstein

        Suspect it’s far more about showing all those (*KLANG*) who laughed at him on Twitter.

  • puipui

    I think the latest estimate is that about 1 in 68 children will be autistic, so slightly under 1.5%. If we all stop vaccinating our kids, which is apparently what these anti-vax lunatics want, then pretty much all children will have to start suffering through diseases that would’ve been easily prevented by vaccination again, and a much larger number than 1.5% of them will probably die.

    So, in effect, these people — the vast majority of whom have autistic children — are saying that it would be better to literally kill millions of children through easily-preventable diseases that it is to risk that a much smaller number of children might become autistic. They are saying that they would rather that their children be dead than autistic.

    Even if all of this anti-vax bullshit were true, which it’s not, but even if it were, I would still vaccinate my child, because I would rather that my child be alive and autistic than not autistic but dead.

    • DoILookAmused2u ?

      And there is no link between autism and vaccines.

      So kill people for woo-woo.

      • puipui

        It’s like they really want to run around yelling, “Everybody, everybody, my kid is autistic! Quick, kill all your children before they become autistic, too!” but they’ve thrown in all this anti-vax woo so they can disguise it better.

        • I Only Like Cats

          It really says something about the love they have for their own children, in my opinion. Especially the more vocal ones, because what can they possibly tell their own child to make them interviewing on Faux News and saying, “don’t vaccinate your kids! it’ll make them autistic!!!” be ok and not hurtful?

        • Incoming Ham

          Antivaxxers words make it sound as if they would, if they could get away with it, leave their kids exposed on a mountainside because that is better than having an autistic kid.

      • Mehmeisterjr

        That’s the bottom line. It isn’t even worth giving them the “even if it were true” argument. It isn’t true. It has been researched and researched and researched by scientists who were not bribed to give false testimony in a lawsuit.

        It. Just. Fucking. Isn’t. True.

    • Serai 1

      it would be better to literally kill millions of children through easily-preventable diseases that it is to risk that a much smaller number of children might become autistic.

      Of course, what happens when their magically non-autistic child is crippled by polio is another matter. Who will they blame then?

      • Blank Ron

        Oh, they’d find someone. They always do.

        • Grokenstein

          “Why didn’t you try harder to stop us?!”

          • Serai 1

            Why didn’t you FORCE me to give them the vaccines???

        • cat cafe

          1. “You didn’t give us the information! How were we supposed to know?
          2. Obama/Hillary

      • Sakonyachen

        All the anti-vaxxers except themselves. They will be the one true victim(very special snowflake).

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      This is what pisses off my sister so much about it all. Her son is autistic (high functioning/non verbal) and she considers him a blessing to her life and you better believe is fully immunized.

    • masked mumbler

      These people are so desperate to find something to blame for their child’s autism other than their shitty genes. It’s disgusting.

      • wurman

        Bingo. Today’s winner right there at table 3.

      • cat cafe

        Or looking at the fact that sperm is more likely to have flaws if you are an older father who still thinks he’s fine to father kids (hint: De Niro is an older father who still thinks he’s fine to father kids).

        • Serai 1

          Yeah, sperm and ovum both have expiration dates.

        • Sakonyachen

          But men must always be perfect specimens of manly manhood. Having an imperfect unmanly sperm get through means they aren’t manly. It’s unmanly to have unmanly sperm get through and have imperfect children ruin their manly manhoodliness.

          Manly!

          • Serai 1

            But the WOMEN must be young and hot and gorgeous, because it’s THEIR bits that are to blame if the child comes out wrong, so they CANNOT be older than 30.

            IT’S NEVER THE MAN’S FAULT, DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND, YOU IGNORANT BITCHES!!!

          • Sakonyachen

            That’s the real message isn’t it? Fucking pigs. I’m a straight white cis Midwestern masculine dudeman, and I can’t stand the arrogance of mansplaining.

          • Serai 1

            Thank you! That is so great to hear. Over at a really great and funny video on Youtube about female naughty bits, some asshat was trying to mansplain to us IGNORANT FEMALES all about how our parts are SUPPOSED to work – because of course we have no idea about anything in our bodies and how they actually feel. THIS GUY KNOWS ALL. We had a great time laughing at him and then I blocked the guy because he got so fucking boring with his ball-clutching panic. * yawn *

            http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/Serai/Comment%20pics/hideous%20crone%20cabal.jpg

          • Sakonyachen

            Ball clutching! Hahaa! “Won’t someone think of the children?!”

          • Serai 1

            Whenever one of those idiots goes on and on, all I hear is the squeak that results when you grab ’em really hard.

    • They are saying that they would rather that their children be dead than autistic.

      Hon, you don’t know the half of it. I lurk in enough of the vile anti-vaxxer groups to know that some of these people truly believe their autistic child already is dead. Self-reports of “the life went out of his eyes after the shot” and “I just know my baby is broken for all time” leave you no doubt how they really feel about their own children.

      • puipui

        My god, these people are horrifying. If they were more religious, they’d probably be trying to starve the autism out.

      • Serai 1

        People like that have babies as accessories, and not as actual living strangers they’re inviting into their homes and lives.

        THINK BEFORE YOU REPRODUCE.

    • Yes, even were the carriers as dangerous as these morans believe, it would still be less risk than polio, or some scarring disease like measles FFS.

    • Sakonyachen

      That’s before you factor in that in some cases, autism is more inconvenient than debilitating. So at least half of those people(my highly unscientific guess) want millions of kids to die so they aren’t inconvenienced by a child that needs extra attention and may not carry on their legacy to their liking. So fuck all of them with a rusty subway train(of votes)!!!! How fucking selfish and pathetic can one human be to want to destroy the earth because their own genetic flaws led to their child not being “perfect.”

      My nephew is autistic, and he is going to need some extra help with life, possibly all through out his life. Somehow it hasn’t occurred to me to infect some random stranger’s baby with archaic diseases, especially since he will still have autism no matter how many babies die.

  • Lamashtar

    I didn’t have the self-control to not read the second article. I feel like screaming in horror.

  • obamafone

    ‘..sane, decent readers of Wonkette.’

    Reederz libels!!!

  • DemmeFatale

    Dammit!
    Now I have to put De Niro on my Sinise/Vaughn shit-list.

    • zerosumgame0005

      along with Sarandon and Robbins

      • Serai 1

        And Irons. Boy, that one really bummed me out.

  • Celtic_Gnome

    Jesus! My wife’s Great Dane mix service dog weighs 70 pounds.

  • I Only Like Cats

    Why wasn’t his case kept open by the Canadian version of social services? Also, too, is anything going to happen to the judge? Something tells me that he’s one of those “parents rights, even if it means the child dies or is seriously injured!” types and as a judge he should know some of the responsibility of the child’s death falls on him. Because that’s his job.

    Even if every single vaccine caused autism, this is still a non-issue. You can work with autistic children, many of whom are very kind and loving but don’t know how to communicate, and are ridiculously talented. You can’t work with a child that’s dead because of your irresponsibility.

    • Mehmeisterjr

      This is true but even conceding the point for the purpose of arguing for the greater good is probably not a good way to go. These guys will filter out everything as and exclaim, “Aha! So you admit it.”

      • I Only Like Cats

        If they really would rather lead directly to their child’s death to try and prevent a neurological difference they cannot actually prevent, they should not be parents.

  • kareemachan

    Fuck these “parents”.

    • Serai 1

      Ewww, NO.

  • Grokenstein

    Still, it’s a thought: release Vaxxed with an onscreen disclaimer: “This Motion Picture Contains 80% Certified Bullshit.”

    AT LEAST 80% Certified Bullshit. He should take pride in surpassing the required minimum standard for bullshit.

    • Serai 1

      And be sure the disclaimer is at the START of the film, not the end.

      • Biff52

        Preferably on the marquis outside the theater.

      • TheGayAgenda
    • “Now, see if you can guess the parts which are not bullshit, because 20% true is the best we can do!”

  • Teecha

    That poor kid.

  • bubbuhh

    De Niro is a very good actor. He makes a helluva living playing pretend. He’s also a high school drop out who never acquired even the most basic math and science. Why should he? He’s fabulously rich.

    Among the many things De Niro hasn’t learned is that there is no link between autism and vaccines, any vaccines. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the CDC, the World Health Organization, and the Institute of Medicine all agree that there’s probably no relationship between autism and vaccines. They won’t say absolutely no relationship because they are scientists and not fanatics.They don’t believe in 100% certainty. However, those organizations have looked at a couple of dozen of major studies covering millions of kids and decades. The people in those organizations all get their kids vaccinated. But, hey, Jenny McCarthy obviously knows better. She’s studied on the subject. She has the comic books to prove it.

    De Niro also doesn’t know that what he and folks like him call autism is not one condition; but a number of different, possibly related maladies which appear to have one or more genetic components. It a complex condition which is going to take decades to figure out, much like muscular dystrophy.

    If DeNiro really wants to help find out what causes autism and other Pervasive Developmental Disorders, let him fund a foundation to pay for serious basic research into the condition. If he just wants to BS, keep it of the screen where won’t do so much damage.

    • King of America

      I just thought I’d stress that “millions” bit there – there are various European countries that keep detailed medical databases on all their citizens; studies of decades of childhood medical records and millions of kids (including from earlier decades before they’d reformulated vaccines to remove thimerosal) indicate that if there’s any link, it occurs less often than someone being struck by lightning while winning the lottery.

      There’s absolutely no fucking excuse for this shit.

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    • Serai 1

      The kind of people who believe this happy horseshit are not the kind of people who are going to accept genetics as an answer, because that implies that they themselves are partly at fault. It has to be someone else who did it. DID IT, because autism can’t possibly be something that happens without somebody to blame for it. As long as that somebody isn’t them.

    • cat cafe

      Part of the problem is De Niro has a child who is autistic. What is one of the few connections they HAVE found for autistic children? Older fathers (sperm is more likely to have problems as you get older). Funny how he isn’t looking into that.

      • bubbuhh

        Medical researchers are looking into every kind of connection for which they can gather evidence. The tendency of parents to have children at later and later ages is one of the key areas of interest for all maladies which may have a genetic component. On the other hand, the people who are merely looking around to find anyone or anything ELSE to blame are pretty comfortable with whatever the con artists are selling.

        These things are certain, however.. There is more than one kind of autism and more than one factor or cause. There is no magic bullet.

      • ahughes798

        I read a story on the interwebs that a study had shown a connection between a father’s marijuana use and autism. My friend’s son is autistic. His father blames the autism on the boy’s mother, because she has MS. They both smoke a lot of marijuana, and have for decades, for what it’s worth.

        • Sakonyachen

          I read a story once that chemtrails were the cause. So I must have autism since I live by an airport.

          • ahughes798

            I thought it was the flouride that the gov’t. sneaks into our water.

    • Funny thing, I respect opinions of celebrities occasionally, when they have something intelligent to say. But I was thinking of McKellan, Welles, Robeson, Glover or Sarandon for that matter … educated folks, don’t care how they got that way.

      • bubbuhh

        You bring up an interesting point. Contrary, to what so many folks think, education isn’t a weed. It doesn’t just grow. ;-) It needs encouragement, fertilizer and patient tending. The weed, if you will, is ignorance. Ignorance roots anywhere; feeds on any soil, especially the meanest; and, attracts the slothful to sleep in its meager shade.

        The people you mention, (I’ll treat them all as if they are alive. In my heart, they are.) have some notable things in common. They were all trained to think from a young age. They were all raised to honor intellectual rigor and continue to do, despite being in a business which values emotional and physical impact as well as a certain flinty shrewdness. They are all with one exception, Welles, modest about their intellectual accomplishments while being well aware of their overall worth as people. They all made life long use the intellectual tools at their disposal to inform their emotional choices of the facts.

        All were human rights oriented to the point of sacrificing career and fortune at some point in their lives.

        The outlier is Orson Welles. He never attended college. I won’t say he wouldn’t have benefited. But, his intellectual ability and accomplishment outstripped that of most college graduates by the time he was 17. He was a true polymath (so, probably, was Robeson); able to excel at any field of human endeavor except subordination.

        Glover is the only other in your group who didn’t attain at least a bachelors before going out into the world. It was the late ’60s so there might be a number of explanations, However, it should be noted that Glover suffered from epilepsy until he was 35 and spent much of his college career as, perhaps, the leading campus activist at SFSU. Also, noteworthy: after withdrawing from school, he went to work full-time for the City of San Francisco in the city planning office while continuing to be one of the leading black activists of the Bay Area.

        There is nothing so difficult as self-education. That’s why the phrase “lifting oneself by the bootstraps” should be so evocative.

        Assuming I matched the names correctly:

        Ian Murray McKellen, alma mater St Catharine’s College, Cambridge

        Orson Welles, alma mater Todd Seminary for Boys, a prodigy, won a scholarship to Harvard which his guardian refused to let him accept. Within two years of graduating from Todd at age 16, he published, The Mercury Shakespeare AKA Everybody’s Shakespeare, a series of educational books, a series that remained in print for decades.

        Paul Robeson, alma mater Rutgers College, Columbia Law School

        Susan Sarandon, alma mater The Catholic University of America

        Danny Glover, attended San Francisco State University

        • Thanks for the elucidation there.

        • Serai 1

          WEED LIBELZ.

          Seriously, a weed is just a plant whose use we haven’t discovered yet. Don’t mock the weeds – they may save your life someday.

      • Serai 1

        I wouldn’t put Sarandon on that list, frankly. As much as I enjoy her work, she’s given to utopian bullshit nonsense. Yet another rich white celebrity who thinks the world can burn because she won’t feel the effect.

    • Snobo

      A lot of people have brief educations and still get that diseases have gone away since vaccines were introduced. That’s not rocket surgery.

  • HanBarbara

    Yet another set of idiot parents denying their child medical care in Canada, a country where medical care is included in the price of admission.

  • bubbuhh

    The Canadas don’t das kapital pumishesmenorwomens which is fine. But, they should at least chain the Raditas to separate bedposts and have someone they do not know come into their rooms, feed massive dosage of cascara sagrada and sermonize them for many hours in Chinese on the perfection of pursuing of trilobite life. Every judge who gave that child back into their custody should be given custodial sentence equal the number of they added to the kids suffering to be served as a bed pan attendant at the nearest old folks home

    • Serai 1

      I would convict those judges of manslaughter along with the murder charges for the parents. They were directly complicit in his death.

  • Biff52

    You know what else is Big Money, Bobby?

    That’s right, fucking Hollywood, who I give zero of my dollars.

    • MarkM

      It is more than a little bit infuriating to hear Robert DeNiro making ridiculous allegations about the corrupting influence of “big money” on the pharmaceutical industry that prompts them to push childhood vaccinations. Legions of seriously ill and dying children had nothing to do with it I suppose?
      Btw Bobby, how much fucking money did they pay you for those execrable Fockers movies? Not to mention all of the other artistically worthless garbage you’ve appeared in over the last couple of decades, you fucking hack?

  • phoenix00

    Now my memory is sketch, but I remember Robert De Niro appearing on some late-night talk show along with the producer and one of the stars of the film, and geez louise the convo went awkward once De Niro brought up the vaccines. All I could think of was alarm bells going off in my head and being rather surprised that De Niro was /this/ fundie nutjob.

    Anybody remember the appearance I’m talking about?

  • OMG, that poor child.

    I have to go hug my children and cry now. Good grief.

  • Jen_Baker_VA

    Fuck’s sake. What the hell is this science is wrong because I think it is wrong so therefore it is wrong crap?
    Bobby, you are JUST as culpable as these POS parents that killed their kid by going on with this vaccines cause autism bull shit. One kid gets sick, one kids die, and your “conversation” and “debate” is to blame, ok?
    Enough already.

  • Lark_in_the_AM

    There’s big, big money in vaccines that the CDC will put …

    Jesus H fucking Christ on a bicycle, where the fuck did he get that idea?? First of all the CDC doesn’t put one goddamned thing into vaccines you idiot – they don’t make them. I wish they did, though, because the pharmaceutical industry has had to be coerced into making vaccines developed by CDC, DOE, and individual NIH-supported researchers precisely because there is so little profit, with the result that the National Stockpile (yes, that is a thing) has very limited supplies. It really gets me hot under the collar every time I hear that particular lie repeated – not that any of the anti-vaxxer’s lies make me feel like dancing. The CDC operates on a shoestring budget compared to the NIH, so if there was such “big money” in vaccines, they ought to have the biggest operating budget outside of the Pentagon. Wonder why they have to continually beg the idiot Congress for money to develop vaccines? Is our actors learning?

    • katz

      No money in curing people. You don’t get repeat customers.

  • h4rr4r

    My two year old is almost that heavy! Mind you he is 90% for height too.

    • ahughes798

      What does that mean, “90% for height?” Honest question, as I don’t have children.

      • Lark_in_the_AM

        Pediatricians rank your child against the average height and weight of children born in the U.S. at any given age, then report it to you on a percentile scale. So, if compared to average, your child is smaller than 90% in height than other children his or her age, your kid is in the 10th percentile. Conversely, if you child is heavier than 90% of other kids his or her age, s/he will rank in the 90th percentile for weight.

        • ahughes798

          Thank you!

      • h4rr4r

        90th percentile. So only 10% of kids are as tall or taller.

        I should not have used the % symbol, but it is sometimes used that way casually.

        • ahughes798

          Thank you!

  • Toomush_Infer

    I find it impossible to “keep [these people] in my hart”….

  • Kastle

    Why oh why does this keep happening in Alberta?

    • phoenix00

      It is the Texas of Canada

    • To be fair to Alberta, the abuse started in BC.

  • wurman

    It is miserably ironic and a disgusting sidebar that the use of insulin to treat diabetes was discovered by a Canadian, Dr. Frederick Banting, assisted by Charles Best, in a laboratory authorized by John McLeod, a Univ. of Toronto professor, who also assigned a biochemist, Bertram Collip, to the project. All of this developed between 1920 and 1922 in Canada. The team patented their insulin extract, then gave the rights to the Univ. of Toronto to fund research. Fools may wonder if the antivaxxers “believe” that insulin injections cause. . . ?

    • Ants In My Eyes Johnson

      I think it’s more that they believe illness like Type 1 is a moral disease, and can be overcome through prayer and torment at the hands of caregivers.

      • Serai 1

        That doesn’t account for the intellectual lefties that think it’s all a Big Corporate Pharma Plot. Religious mania is in no way required for this level of callous selfishness and delusional criminality.

        • Ants In My Eyes Johnson

          You don’t need religion to believe that diseases can be cured with tokens of “moral fortitude” — there are people who seriously believe that you can cure yourself by meditating correctly , or eating expensive supplements, or sleeping on a pad that supposedly puts out negative ions, or juicing, or enemas, or bullshit “enzyme drops” that are supposed to prevent their bodies from being too acidic. It’s not just a paranoia-ish “Gosh, I hope this keeps me from getting sick” health thing, as some people genuinely believe it will cure them of real illnesses.

          And lucky me, I’m related to some of these people, and get to see a constant parade of New Age, anti-science, woo-woo bullshit.
          Like magnets that you put on the water line in your house — protect your water, but don’t actually do any tests of quality or make any changes to address old pipes! Magnets and the power of belief will do it! Those magnets were fucking expensive, too.

          • Serai 1

            Oh, the New Age yaya! I worked at the Bodhi Tree Bookstore in L.A. in the 90’s, and had to learn about that stuff. I didn’t mind, actually. It always interests me to see what people believe and how the effect it has on their lives, and we were selling books, which I don’t believe in controlling or censoring. I always tried to advise people when choosing books about this stuff to try to be objective and observant about the effects, and then just trusted them to run their own lives.

            And yes, I get so damn sick of hearing about how religion causes stupidity and evil and yada yada yada, when the overwhelming evidence is that none of those things need religion in order to exist. They’re human phenomena (maybe not even that – a lot of them are animalphenomena), and anyone can fall prey to them, no matter how smart or sophisticated they think themselves. (Case in point: Richard Dawkins. WHY doesn’t somebody tie that guy down and gag him???)

  • Moni

    Seriously I’d hope DeNiro would be smarter about this. I was diagnosed and my parents didn’t start blaming vaccines (then again my dad is in the med field). He wanted to contribute to the “debate” it’s been over for years dude. Even the guy who did the botched study admitted it was crap.

  • meanlawyermom

    “At that time, the boy was considered “severely underweight” for a five-year-old and weighed 39 pounds, just two pounds heavier than when he died at the age of 15.”

    I have no words. I just want to cry. Thank you for the baby animal posts above. They helped a little.

  • I didn’t wish to personalize this story in the actual article, but Yr la Volpe actually works his day job in the foster care system — in case you hadn’t noticed, I care a whole awful lot about abused kids.

    I wish I could say that cases like Alex Radita’s were rare but they are not. DFCS or CPS can spend MONTHS putting together a case to permanently remove a child from their parents, complete with developmental experts, medical examiners, witnesses to the abuse, etc, and all it takes is ONE judge who’s sick of paperwork on ONE particular morning to get that child back into the hands of monsters.

    The law is horrible when it commits to the terrible goal of “keeping families together no matter what,” suffering from the delusion that just because you birthed it means you’re fit to take care of it. I would say the Raditas are proof enough how bullheaded that thinking can be.

    • Jonny On Maui

      Service is service and alot gets overlooked. Your service will be honored in my heart this weekend.

    • Biff52

      I entered the system when minor children had no rights. I was sent home many times before I finally went before a referee that recognized what he was seeing and placed me in foster care. Not ideal, but I didn’t spend the rest of my adolescence in fear. Don’t give up!

      • Lark_in_the_AM

        ::hugs::

        • Biff52

          Thanks. 50 years ago, I’m sorta better now.

    • I’m waiting for the Law n Order spin off starring a washed up DeNiro in charge of a super-high tech team of CPS operatives.

    • OddMan

      As Jonny says, thanks for what you do. This old sailor salutes you. ☆☆☆

    • tex7

      As a ward of the court until the age of 18, keep giving it the good fight.

  • Here’s a good movie about vaccines which does not have anything to do with Robert DeNiro. Just to keep things in perspective, Jonas Salk saved more lives in real life than Robert DeNiro has murdered people in films. And I’m pretty sure DeNiro has killed millions on film, hasn’t he?

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1339500/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqGvDwzerNs

  • Me The People

    What’s that song again?

    “Robert De Niro’s waiting…talking total complete and utter shite”

    • Jonny On Maui

      I wish those were the lyrics…

  • Ilgattomorte

    This was a wonderful, terrible, horrible article.

    LaVolpe, you are doing the Lord’s work, or you would be if God existed, which he doesn’t, or if God had a son, who is our Lord, which he isn’t. Most especially, though, if that God made that son by magically knocking up a virgin, so he wouldn’t have to get his God-Spooge on her nasty parts, which is just fucking ridiculous. But, you would be doing his work, otherwise.

    On the up-side, though, you’re definitely not doing Satan’s work, because that imaginary sonfabitch doesn’t exist either. So, there’s that.

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    Memo to De Niro: There’s a reason you shut down your brain and want to believe in antivaxx bullshit. You should talk to your therapist (as rich New York persons do) and analyze THAT.

  • bopeep

    Well, there’s another actor whose films I won’t be paying money to see.

    • Serai 1

      Second actor this week whose movies I’ve realized I can’t watch anymore. FUCKING HELL WHY YOU HAVE TO SUCK, LIFE?

      • bopeep

        I don’t mind watching some assholes’ movies if I already have them or they’re free…sometimes I can separate talent from personality. I just don’t want to give them any more money. Then there’s other jerks, like Woody Allen, who I just can’t watch at all.

        • Lark_in_the_AM

          Mel Gibson.

          • SDGeoff

            There went my cawfee.

        • The Witch of Endor

          There are a whole host of musicians I can no longer listen to even though I bought their music years ago. :(

          I’m so with you on Woody Allen.

        • SDGeoff

          My friends think I’m a cultural dinosaur because Woody Allen and his movies make me nervous. I tell them I prefer movies to Film.

        • Serai 1

          I agree. The other actor I can’t watch now is Corey Haim, but that’s for a completely different reason. Now I can’t watch him without wanting to burst into tears.

          • Wee Mousie

            I never tried to watch a Corey Haim movie without tears flowing, blood gushing, and gorge rising. I may have been beaten into it, but I went down swinging.

          • Serai 1

            I never had a problem with him. I liked the kid. He personified a particular kind of awkward innocence. Which has now been FUCKING DESTROYED. I can’t even look at him without wanting to cry now. WHAT THE FUCK, UNIVERSE??? WHYYYYY?????

  • RobKanC

    I contend that Bobby de Niro is a old senile tone-deaf alien from planet zorg. Sure only 20% of that statement might be true but it’s worth exploring. And medical establishment, really?

  • motmelere

    Dear Bobby D, I think it’s cool when actors lend their voices to obvious causes like feed the children and stop treating your animals like inconvenient trash fires. Seriously though, you are not a doctor, you are not a psychologist, you ARE an actor with a mildly limited range of characteristics you seem comfortable to portray. See the latter of this post and do a voice-over for an ad about saving kids from being murdered by their brain-washed parents. I’d watch that for 30 seconds.

  • Parakeetist

    What’s up with Alberta? Isn’t this the second story from there in the past few weeks?

    As for these assholes who think it’s okay to neglect your kids because Bible: St. Luke was a doctor.

    That’s all I can say without spouting words that would get me banned.

    • Lark_in_the_AM

      I was wondering that, too. I was under the mistaken impression that the Canadianers hadn’t been colonized by the Holy Rollers – I thought they were too reasonable and decent for that.

      • The Witch of Endor

        Nope, they’ve got their share of wingtards. Damn near every time I went up to Kingston, ON, I’d run into at least one telling me how to avoid paying sales tax (I was dumb enough to tell this guy I was from the US), another one–a doctor, ffs–was going on about how NHS would be bankrupt by 2005 (this was in ’99 or 2000), or some other silly shit.

    • Wee Mousie

      Asshats are sprinkled all over Canada, the same as they are in the US. It’s just that they tended to clump up in Alberta and between that and the oil money which used to be on offer, Alberta became a magnet for like-thinking brethren.

      Now that the oil money is running thin and the Conservatives have been turfed out, perhaps they’ll migrate somewhere else — possibly California, possibly illegally.

  • DracaJam

    I do not support the death penalty…….Perhaps I need to rethink my position.
    Fuck those parents, (not even with votes)

    • Ants In My Eyes Johnson

      Death is too good for them.
      It’s a good thing Wonkette doesn’t allow comments, though, otherwise I’d get my butt banhammered for saying what I think isn’t too good for these two.

    • Serai 1

      Fuck those parents

      They do not deserve the glories of sex. No fucks for them.

  • Sheesko

    I was a little kid before the Salk vaccine came out. I think I got my first shot when I was, like, six. I knew kids who had been crippled by polio. I myself was under suspicion of having contracted it when I was about five, but it turned out to be mono. My doctor was confined to a wheelchair, the victim of polio himself.

    We used to see documentary films about iron lungs, like the one posted here by Comrade Wingtardd. We little kids used to try to imagine how horrible it would be to have to live in one. Lots of people did live — and eventually die — in them. A dear friend of mine, now gone, had a twisted hand left over from a bout of polio when he was a little kid in the late 1920s.

    It’s a disease of the past now. Except because of antivaxxers, it’s coming back. That’s some nostalgia we can all live better without.

    • janey

      It is not totally gone. We knew someone who had polio and survived quite well. Then in his 50s he came down with the polio virus again much like shingles after having chicken pox. He did not live very long after that. The vaccine is actually even more important than we think.

      • Jonny On Maui

        The are places on this earth where vaxers are killed trying to vaccinate children because it’s a “CIA Plot”.

        That’s why I think every anti-vaxers kids should spend a couple of summers in a Pakistani soccer ball factory.

        • The Witch of Endor

          I don’t know about their kids going, but I’d love for the parents to go learn how to make soccer balls.

          • SDGeoff

            Ditto.

    • Biff52

      It was pretty easy to convince us kids as to the importance of vaccines, because we all knew someone with polio. I still do. He’s a Stephen Harper right-winger in Canada City, but you’d better not try to take away his socialized healthcare!

    • SDGeoff

      I remember children in my elementary school using crutches and braces. One of my teachers did also too.

    • Marion in Savannah

      I remember that every summer was when you were scared. And God forbid you got a stiff neck…

      Then the Salk vaccine came out. There was a mass vaccination at my grade school, with kids seated in the auditorium and being called up to be vaccinated.

      • Jukesgrrl

        Yes, I’ll never forget how happy my parents were bundling us off to the school gym to stand in line with everyone else in town to get the vaccine. They were rightfully terrified of polio. I will remember the photos of people’s heads sticking out of those iron lungs to the day I die. I think it’s part of the source of my fear of MRIs.

        • Serai 1

          If you ever have to have one, request an open MRI. The machine is open at both ends and well-lit, so you’re not enclosed. Way more comfortable and not-scary.

    • Swampgas_Man

      My ex-Mother-In-Law had post-polio syndrome, and I’m convinced it eventually killed her.

    • Wee Mousie

      One of the news photographer at a television station I worked for had a light case of polio as a child. He spent time in an iron lung, wore braces for years, but by the time I knew him, he had no difficulty walking, except for a characteristic limp.

  • Incoming Ham

    I have Very Bad Thoughts about how those parents should be punished, but I will not share them as it will violate the rules for commenting.

    • Rasilom

      Lock em in a mirrored room with nothing but a bible 1 loaf of bread a single fish and some water.Then put on an endless loop of Kids Bop sings Metallica. If their precious Jebus totally loves them that should be all they need to eat for a life time. Also too he should be able to change the music to some of that gosple stuff I am sure they love. Them we can check on them after about 6 months. I am guessing it won’t the be a Wine loaded fish fry but hey. Its basically what they did to their kid, so seems to fit.

      • Biff52

        One fish and one loaf IS enough for a lifetime! A very short lifetime, especially without water.

    • Serai 1

      Mine involve razor blades, lemon juice, and a tank of seriously pissed off baboons.

      Yours?

  • Be Gin

    I believe we now have enough evidence to present some hypotheses concerning important actors and their delusions of intellectual authority.

    As he aged, Marlon Brando, began to present a variety of philosophical positions which had varying degrees of attachment to everyone else’s reality. Being an important actor the media of the time reported every word he said and every behavior he exhibited. Some people even thought that what he had to say was IMPORTANT.

    Now we have Robert DeNiro credulously taking the side of underdog Andrew Wakefield and his garbage.

    Hypothesis: As Important Actors age their vocation of acting turns them into one of two things…

    1. Amiable dotards who can no longer memorize their lines.
    2. Self-Important blowhards who believe that celebrity is Intellectual Achievement.

    More study will be needed. For the purposes of this study Charlie Sheen’s case cannot be considered since he was never an important actor and he obviously wasn’t old enough to qualify.

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      Now try to explain why numbskull parents believe what a celebrity says about medicine, over what medical experts say about medicine.

      • Be Gin

        As wise Professor Farnsworth once said, “We will need to run hundreds of high energy accelerators fueled with thousands of dump trucks filled with flaming grant money for many years to seek those answers. And even then we have no guarantee of finding anything. YIPPPEEEE!”

        • phoenix00

          I read that in Farnsworth’s voice

      • Jukesgrrl

        It’s human nature to want the simplest, cheapest answer to your problem. Your brother-in-law tells you all tires are the same, just put the cheapest one on your car, you wanna believe him. If your joints ache and you suspect you have arthritis, why go to the doctor and get diagnosed when s/he won’t be able to make the pain go away anyhow. But when Larry King comes on TV telling you he can sell you a pill that will lubricate your joints and they won’t hurt so much, don’t you flirt with the idea of trying this out even if common sense tells you not to?

      • Serai 1

        That’s easy. Celebrity gives people the impression that they know the person on the screen. Thus, they’re more trustworthy, because you “know” them, unlike those experts. Who ever heard of them?

    • Agreed. It’s sad when they forget how much their fame and fortune relied on dumb luck and/or nepotism. Sure some are very talented but many aren’t. They start believing the sycophants and their own spin. I’d put Gwyneth Paltrow in number 2.

      • Serai 1

        The yesmen are a big part of the problem. It’s hard to recognize your own fallibility when everyone around you is fawning like mad. Especially for actors who are not, in fact, smart.

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  • Ants In My Eyes Johnson

    What is it about being a celebrity (or a parent) that makes people decide they know more than doctors, medical researchers, and scientists?

    • At the corner, turn left

      Can you say Dunning-Kruger Effect? I knew that you could. To whit:a cognitive bias in which relatively unskilled persons suffer illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability to be much higher than it really is. Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their own ineptitude and evaluate their own ability accurately. (Wiki) It can be summed up in being too stupid to know how stupid you are.

      What’s worse are the ‘famous/celebrity’ type stupid people, whose famousness and celebrityness reinforces the stupidity in your every-day stupid person. “(Name of famous stupid person) says it’s true, so there must be something to it.” (sound of wrong answer buzzer)

      Add in blind faith in the Big Book of Contradictory Rules and you’ve got a lot of desperately ill kids dying of GSPNS (Grossly Stupid Parental Neglect Syndrome).

      The answer, of course, is education, but these same people are against that too. How do you battle egregious, impregnable ignorance? I don’t know.

      I have one more thing I would really like to say, but unfortunately comments aren’t allowed here.

      • SDGeoff

        If comments were allowed, we know you would have a great observation as always.

      • Ants In My Eyes Johnson

        I know what Dunning-Kruger is, I was wondering why it is that both celebrities, and parents who are normal people, seem to suffer from it so much more often than the rest of the population.

        Hollywood celebrities often get to live in a “bubble” of ass-kissing, so I think you’re right about that — some of them just eventually start believing their own bullshit, and thinking they’re brilliant in areas not having to do with their own training or experience. But what about everyday parents? I can’t figure that one out.

        • Paperless Tiger

          Whatever they call paranoia these days (boogie-man syndrome?), somebody is out to get them, for money or just plain evil. Doctors!

          • Jukesgrrl

            Which is much of the source of Trump’s popularity. He hears them and he’s going to fix it for them. And they’re Dunning-Kruger enough to believe him.

        • Swampgas_Man

          It’s no so much that they suffer from Dunning-Kruger more, it’s just that stupid people LISTEN more to celebs.

          • Doug Langley

            When you’re a million dollar star, and get Academy Awards, and talk show hosts swoon over you, and everyone cheers and applauds, you start thinking maybe people like listening to you.

          • Wee Mousie

            I think the parents are expressing the other side of the Dunning-Kruger effect. They are people with average, or even above average intelligence, who underestimate their own intelligence and accept the erroneous, but decisive opinion of a celebrity. And that is true whether the celebrity is living inside a bubble or just a dumb fuck with delusions of intelligent.

            I think it often has to do with herd instinct, also, too. If the bellwether of the herd adopts antivaxxing, the sheeple in her herd tend to follow..

          • Serai 1

            Listening to celebrities is not the problem. Some of them are quite intelligent and know what they’re talking about. Not having the curiosity or thoroughness to research the validity of what they say is the problem. The Buddha said that one should never believe something just because someone in authority says it, and he was right. Listen all you like, but don’t swallow it just because it came slamming out of some actor’s dick, for gods’ sakes.

        • Snobo

          IME people generally think they’re more informed than they really are.
          In the case of parents my guess is that their protective instincts get in the way. I have a cousin who’s an antivaxxer and like every parent you can’t tell her shit about anything especially about what’s good for her kids. She’s even taking up this gluten free bullshit for no good reason.

      • Wee Mousie

        I only wish their stupidity were as easily impregnated with intelligence as their chastity-only educated daughters are to impregnated with baby asshats.

      • Serai 1

        That’s called “arguing from authority”. Except in this case, the authorities aren’t actually authorities, just somebody the speaker’s heard of somewhere.

        • At the corner, turn left

          Sort of a ” I heard it from Ronnie whose wife’s cousin, Earlette, heard some guy talking about it in the Sav-A-Lot, who said he heard some famous person he can’t remember talking about it on the TV last week.” thing?

          • Serai 1

            Exactly. Except all the relatives are brainless twits who got famous for pretending to have actual brains.

    • SDGeoff

      The wall of immunity from reality that money can create is my guess.

    • Iam Reading

      See, the Trump effect. Also, too, Murika

  • Beowoof14

    Well in considering his position vacines and Tom Cruise on treatment for depression, I have come believe that medical advice from actors may not be sound.

    • NorthStarSpanx

      Granted she’s a D-Lister, but Bristol Palin is pushing a super tasty (and pricey) @310nutrition that takes the weight off – unlike 12 hours of dance practice a day on DWTS.

  • katz

    That’s it, I am carpet-bombing the planet with pictures of smallpox.

    • Serai 1

      And iron lungs. Don’t forget those.

  • phoenix00
    • SDGeoff

      Nice.

      • Serai 1

        And yet their next video is a libertarian vomiting of bullshit about the Second Amendment.

        • theblackdog

          Yeah, Penn’s views get weird about so any subjects.

          • Serai 1

            He’s a stone Randian, so I take everything he says with a grain of salt. Which I’m sure he’s perfectly okay with, seeing as how he’s all logical and shit.

  • At the corner, turn left

    Hmmm. Let’s see. Which of these medical professionals would I like to consult for pertinent information? Gosh, tough call.

    • Jason Freeman

      You forgot Jenny McCarthy.

  • At the corner, turn left

    As you all know there there are still parents punishing their kids for the heinous crime of
    wetting the bed. In doing a bit of research on that, I came across a person asking, “What’s the best punishment for bedwetting?” and any number of parental myths about the subject. *sad shaking of my head*

    I was a chronic bedwetter until I was about 7-8. Shoot, if you made me laugh too hard, the waters would flow. I got so bad, my mother did something horrible to me. She took me to a doctor. (gasp) He explained that it was enuresis, that, since I showed no other detrimental signs, my bladder system was behind the curve with the rest of my body in maturing and that it would take care of itself in due course. AND IT DID! Hallelujah, medical knowledge be praised! My mom was an excellent cook, but not a doctor. She couldn’t figure out my condition so she sought professional help. It’s such a no-brainer, we are left asking ourselves why there are people of no brain who can’t even imagine doing the same thing. It’s just so sad.

    • SDGeoff

      It sounds like your mom was a smart, sane and caring lady. What a great lesson.

      • At the corner, turn left

        Add funny to the list and you’ve got it. The same applied to my dad. As one who was adopted, it was a total crap shoot as to where I would wind up, but I hit the jack pot. I miss them so much.

    • tex7

      Lucky you. My sister had the same problem, and she was punished and shamed every time it happened, which was most nights.

      • At the corner, turn left

        Which probably just made the problem worse and can lead to lasting mental health consequences. I do hope she survived relatively intact. To invert the Golden Rule: I would like to do unto your parents as they did unto your sister. That’s child abuse, pure and simple.

  • NorthStarSpanx

    The movie is not hurting anybody. – Robert Di Niro

    Then scroll down to that baby weighing 15 year old Bobby, and tell us how legitimizing quack responses to threats to health doesn’t hurt anybody.

    • Snobo

      Right. Or the people getting measles again,

      • Serai 1

        WHOOPING COUGH IS COMING BACK.

        I’d like to drag every single one of these fucking murderous-through-asshattery shitheads into an infectious disease ward and force them to watch kids coughing their lungs into bloody shreds. FUCKERS.

        • Snobo

          They’re so up their own butts though, they’d probably just blame vaccines for it – or gluten or some shit.

          • Serai 1

            Yep, I’m afraid so. Arrogance and stubbornness are kissing cousins.

  • SDGeoff

    Fare’s stories are always so well done. My hearts breaks in two when I see the boy’s dreadfully sad living conditions, not to mention his poor sad face at his last birthday party. Fuck those damn parents. This is a great reason to restructure Guantanamo; a place for ignorant know-nothing-and-proud-of-it bastards.

    • psychobroad

      I know the expression on his face nearly killed me!

  • Yeah idiots, lead isn’t a problem, vaccines are.

    • Swampgas_Man

      It would explain Analyze This and the Fockers movies.

      • Serai 1

        Hey, I liked Analyze This! The way he and Billy Crystal played off each other was great. Plus, Lisa Kudrow mocking his OMG GANGSTER CRED was epic.

    • Serai 1

      I had the feeling he was an asshole, frankly. Very good actor, but not someone I would ever want to meet. I’m gratified to learn my instincts were right.

  • SullivanSt

    The utter fucktardedness of imagining that Big Pharma is in the vaccine business when they could make so much more selling treatment for rampant diseases blows the mind.

    Almost as much as the pure evil of letting your kid waste away because you’re a fucking moron with a book you can’t comprehend. That’s almost enough to make me rethink my categorical opposition to the death penalty.

    • DutchS

      Okay, so you’re not willing to change your views in the face of evidence? Where have we seen that before?

  • thewitchqueen74

    If I said what I really wanted to say about those wastes of oxygen who let their son die, I’d be banned for life, so I’m just gonna keep my mouth shut.

    • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

      I have many strong feelings that will also go unvoiced because of I too would be banned permanently. However the ending of Silent Hill (movie) perfectly encapsulates what I think the fate of these “holy” &$*#@ should be.

    • Serai 1

      Do what I did – express yourself, and then edit it out a few minutes later. I felt a lot better after I vented a little.

  • harryeagar

    I feel the same way about actrs recommending their opinions generally. I am not impressed that many — or any — actors like Sanders. Stakes are higher with medicine, but actors are not any smarter or better informed, as a class, than car mechanics.

    • Snobo

      It depends. The antivaxxer stuff is moronic and Sarandon and Robbins and Sean Penn are all smug assholes but I appreciate Angelina Jolie and George Clooney bringing attention to refugees and genocides and Mark Ruffalo coming out against fracking.

      • Serai 1

        Yep. It’s not being an actor that makes one’s opinion suspect. It’s being an idiot. The fuckwits give all actors a bad name, and make it harder for them to be taken seriously when they know what the fuck they’re talking about.

    • Sakonyachen

      That’s the trick isn’t it? There are some very smart actors whose opinion is worth note. Then there are thousands who should shut their overpaid pie hole and let the adults handle the important stuff.

      • Wee Mousie

        Charlie Sheen probably scrambled his brain on cocaine and hookers, Kirstie Alley is a Scientologist so she’s accustomed to believing in tosh, Rob Schneider and Juliette Lewis, because — What the hell! — she’s Juliette Lewis and he’s Rob Schneider.

        Unfortunately, there’s Erin Brockovich, because, although she, herself chooses to vaccinate, she’s just arguing along with Jim Carrey (see Dumb and Dumber) for freedom of choice.

        Bill Maher, apparently just to be to be Bill Maher. (“I never argued that vaccines don’t work, I just don’t think you need them.”) And then presents a classic example of the “post hoc ergo propter hoc” fallacy, conflating vaccines with the prevalence of “new” diseases like ADD, and the prevalence of asthma, migraines, autoimmune disorders and more colds.

        Someone should make Bill sit down and look at 19th century death certificates. In those days people died of even less serious diseases, sometime unaware of even the diagnosis. Perhaps they were undiscovered, or have had their names updated (flatulence is now abnormal farting and will lead to a Hollywood contract as a gifted comedian.) Bill should check the statistics of the percentage and causes of infant mortality. Up to the turn of the 20th century, one in five children died before reaching five years of age. Today in America
        infant mortality is pegged at 0.65%, because of the medical institution, pharmaceuticals, and the acceptance of local, national and international vaccine programs.

        Also, too, there is now a greater world population, with much faster travel, including intercontinental. Both conditions make viral diseases thrive and mutate faster.

        And finally, Donald Trump. If you don’t have time to study the issues, try to make certain that you are never on the same side of an argument as Donald Trump, and you will be right far, far oftener than you are wrong.

        BTW: Has Jim Carrey actually made a successful movie in the last decade? I know he was in “Mr.Popper’s Penguins,” but he was out acted in that, and had all his scenes stolen by the CGI penguins.

        • Serai 1

          Bill Maher is a blowhard, an asshat, and a bully, and always has been. The only thing good about his show is the New Rules segment, which is written for him by people with actual talent. He himself is a hack.

          And Jim Carrey is, in fact, a pretty good actor. Too many people have the idea that comedy doesn’t involve good acting. Comedy is a fuck of a lot HARDER than drama. That’s why comedians are so often great in dramas, but dramatic actors can so easily suck at being funny. I was really impressed by Carrey in The Number 23, for example – whatever one thinks of the film itself, he did a fine job in what was essentially a film noir about psychosis. And he was heartbreaking in Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. That was a lovely film, and he acquitted himself well.

          • Snobo

            Just about every comedian I’ve seen transition to acting was a good actor. I’ve even seen Rob Schneider to a decent believable job. Jim Carrey overacts. He’s the male Faye Dunaway. Even in lower-key dramatic scenes he chews up the scenery.

          • DutchS

            I see it the other way: dramatic actors who crossed over to comedy. Pretty much the whole cast of Airplane, for example. And even de Niro, ignoring his vax stance, plays more comedic roles these days than not.

  • YayConspiracy

    This is the first time a story made me cry.

    • Jason Freeman

      Yeah. Made me feel bad too.

  • Jason Freeman

    This is why there are people out there who specialize in their field. Wiring in your house=electrician. Broken car=mechanic. Sick=DOCTOR. Fuck almighty! I bet your magical book of fairy tales doesn’t have an answer for bad brakes. So why would you pray for repairs to your car. Sounds stupid, huh? That’s because it IS stupid. Go to the fucking doctor, fuckwit.

    • Usedtobeyellerdawg

      I was once a person who trained prospective foster parents to work with children who had behavioral problems. It was not at all unusual to have religiously motivated people tell me that the methodical approach we taught was not necessary and that they would just “pray over” the kids. I had a set response to that, “Imagine that you are very hungry, and that you have plenty of food in the kitchen, and you know how to make a really great ham sandwich. Now, imagine sitting on your couch and praying for that sandwich. God may give you the means, but he is not going to make you a sandwich.” People motivated by religion, BTW, generally did not make successful foster parents. They got frustrated very quickly, especially when we told them that they could not force the kids to go to their church, and moreover, if they took kids who were of a different religion, they had to accommodate that. The best ones were almost always genuinely good people who would not have done it except for the money. They were motivated to be successful.

      • Jason Freeman

        That is good to hear, and I like the sandwich story. I try not to be judgemental about religion, but fundamentalists really make it difficult. And good on you for taking part in a noble profession like that.

      • Mintie

        How quickly they forget the adage “The Lord helps those who help themselves.” Of course, that requires shouldering a certain amount of personal responsibility, and we certainly couldn’t have that, now could we?

    • Mintie

      I’m suddenly reminded now of countless people who have been told by electricians and mechanics something along the lines of: “to fix this, I’ll have to do X and Y, and it’s going to cost this much money,” and said countless people reacted with: “that’s ridiculous! I don’t believe you, I think you’re just gouging me. I bet I can fix that myself”

      And then three weeks later they’re either a) calling the original person to come fix their screw up, b) the top entry for a week on There, I Fixed it, or c) this year’s winner of the Darwin Awards.

      My point is, it’s not just doctors who get the brushoff.

  • 3FingerPete

    20% accuracy is good enough? I’d love to be De Niro’s accountant.

  • psychobroad

    Yeah, sorry, if ever you needed an example of preaching to the choir, this is it. Judge should be disbarred, at the very least.

    • theblackdog

      Uh, what? The judge should be disbarred for prosecuting the parents?

      • JustDon’tSayDittos

        No, the other judge, who took the kid from child services and put him back with those evil parents.

      • psychobroad

        No,the one who gave the kids back to the parents, repeatedly.

        • theblackdog

          Ah got it. The thing I don’t know is if they were hand-tied by procedures or not. IANAL and IANC

          • psychobroad

            I tend to assume the worst in situations like that

  • CatCope

    RE: DuhNiro, See ya don’t haveta go to medical school to “Medicalize”. Go to Vulture Mag. “VULTURE Magazine?? ‘Stupid is as stupid does’

  • Jukesgrrl

    This Old remembers that many years ago Truman Capote posited (on the Tonight Show for all of America to hear), “The better the actor, the stupider he is.” I believe he was talking about Brando at the time but the argument still holds and here is some more evidence.

    Unfortunately, all De Niro has to do to finance his dangerous little hobby is to make another one of those Fockers movies. Stop going to them, people!

    • Snobo

      Jim Carrey is an antivaxxer and he’s not a very good actor at all.

      • Jukesgrrl

        Carrey spent five years living with Jenny McCarthy, one of the nation’s loudest theorists about bizarre medical treatments. That’s when he picked up his beliefs. She claims her son “had” autism as a result of mercury poisoning from vaccinations but he was cured by a variety of treatments she used on him including — get ready — a gluten- and casein-free diet, hyperbaric oxygen chamber treatments, chelation therapy, aromatherapy, electromagnetics, spoons rubbed on his body, multivitamin therapy, B-12 shots, and numerous prescription drugs.

        She claims that it was primarily chelation therapy that stopped him from having the seizures she believes were the primary symptom of his autism. Several doctors have observed that her son’s symptoms are more akin to a problem called Landau-Kleffner Syndrome, but McCarthy disputes that. She remains on the board and as a spokesperson for several anti-vax groups while claiming not to be anti-vax. Go figure, She recently married actor/New Kid on the Block/burgermeister/Marc Rubio supporter Donnie Wahlberg, bringing is back to Truman Capote’s theory.

        • Snobo

          I can’t recall ever having been terribly impressed bt Jenny McCarthy’s or Donnie Wahlberg’s acting either, and they both sound terribly stupid.
          McCarthy’s son’s future ‘Mommy Dearest’ autobiography ought to be interesting. Poor li’l bastard.

        • Mintie

          Holy Crap, she married Marky Mark’s Me-Too wannabe brother?! The D-List is getting pretty crowded.

          • Jukesgrrl

            Yes, Marky Mark, also known as a felon convicted of racist violence. I notice that episode has been wiped off his Wikipedia page, but you can read about the now-blind Asian man he attacked for no reason if you google “Wahlberg felony.” He didn’t spend nearly enough time being incarcerated and now he’s trying to get his record expunged. But anything’s possible if you’re a white Catholic in Boston.

        • DutchS

          Can we give Ms. McCarthy a B-52 shot? Please?

  • Lark_in_the_AM

    [De Niro]: No, I’m working on something else. Harvey Weinstein and I are working on doing a documentary, but I don’t what [sic] to talk much about it, because when I talk about it, something happens. But that’s what we plan to try to do.

    I think I’ve found who DeNiro and Weinstein are planning to build their “documentary” around.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    I can think of 100 reasons NOT to see another DeNiro movie. This ONE is enough.

  • xy

    so once again everything is terrible and we should just launch the nukes and end it all.

  • pianoplayer1

    My father was a Type I diabetic. I have three first cousins (they are siblings) who were diagnosed with Type I as small boys. They are middle-aged to old- aged now. They have followed strict dietary and medical regimens all their lives. They are healthy with good vision, healthy kidneys, and no amputations. Type I is a killer unless the patient (and his parents when young) faithfully follows the instructions of his physicians, dieticians, physical therapists, and nurses. Being a Type I diabetic can be difficult. But the sacrifices are worth it. My cousins are happy and lead full, successful lives. Thank God for medical science.

  • tex7

    Let’s bring up another form of woo that kills newborns–midwifery. No, I don’t mean in hospital nurse-midwives. I mean the whole home birth crowd. The odds of a newborn dying in a home birth attended by a midwife are seven times higher than the odds of death in a hospital birth. Seven times higher. The odds that the mother will die is also higher than in a hospital birth.
    I know I’m about to get some grief, but if my child is seven times more likely to die in a home birth attended by a midwife, get me to a doctor and a hospital.

    • JustDon’tSayDittos

      But the old ways are the best ways! Just walk around any 100-yr-old graveyard and see all the children they had!

      Just don’t look at the dates.

  • OneDemin EOr

    “Trace Amounts”. Must be the number of functioning brain cells of the anti-vaxxer. Their refusal to quarantine their unvaccinated children until they age out of childhood diseases puts the very herd immunity they are so reliant on at risk. So, when babies, the elderly, cancer patients or others with low immunity come into contact with Little Johnny’s measles, it’s often fatal.
    Thanks a lot, you selfish, ignorant bastards.

  • calliecallie

    Wow. Western Canada is becoming some new kind of Florida, I think.

  • devo-T

    Ugh… if we’re showing terrible photos of neglected children, I guess this would be the place to drop this tidbit of wisdom.

  • Jeff in the desert
  • DutchS

    My answer to these folks is from the Bible. Romans 13:

    “Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.”

    When it comes to your loved one’s health, the governing authority is the doctor. Not you, not some homeopath, not Robert De Niro. Whom I will crawl under barbed wire to see on screen, but he’s not a health authority.

    When it comes to describing how the physical world works, the governing authorities are scientists. Not Ken Ham or Bryan Fischer or some guy from the Discovery Institute or the Institute for Creation Research. Certainly not some blithering idiot in a state legislature, not some pastor. Not even the Pope, but he’s sensible enough to butt out.

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