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Bill Clinton has been yelling at black people again. Specifically, he’s been yelling at protesters from Black Lives Matter, calling them dishonest liars who stick up for murderers and crack dealers. (The bad kind of crack dealer, who makes all the little 10-year-olds go shoot each other until they’re dead.)

Hillary Clinton needs to muzzle her husband.

First things first: the gang wars were really bad, y’all. Ten-year-olds were getting murdered (and murdering). Bill Clinton’s crime bill, which some of us knew was awful at the time, wasn’t universally recognized as bugfuck racist until much later — a lot of the black community was like “hey, please do something to help stop the 10-year-old murders.” Bill Clinton was all “let me build you so many prisons!” Hillary Clinton was like “let me give speeches supporting it!” And Bernie Sanders said, “I vote aye on this bill and 30 years from now I will run for president against the First Lady and all my supporters will be mad at her for this Crime Bill even though she wasn’t even in Congress and I was and I voted for it SO HARD.” Oh my God, Bernie Sanders can see the future. HE IS A WITCH!

So that’s out of the way.

Now, should Bill Clinton be yelling at Black Lives Matter people, who are calling out Hillary for her comments about “superpredators”? Oh my sweet Jesus, Bill Clinton shut the fuck up.

Bill Clinton: You ALREADY APOLOGIZED for the Crime Bill, and now you’re explaining how right you were to lock away all the scary black people in Supermax forever.

Bill Clinton: Now you’re all “the welfare bill solved poverty”? “Hush.”

Bill Clinton: You are the guy who said about Barack Obama that “a few years ago this guy would have been carrying our bags.” It’s hard to spin that into an admiring “how wonderful that things have come so far since those terrible days when the brilliant colored fella would have been our porter.”

Bill Clinton: You are not ACTUALLY the first black president. Leave the “yelling at black people” shtick to Bill Cosby (IN JAIL).

Bill Clinton: Instead of yelling at black people that they are stupid, or liars, or oh my fucking god “I’ll tell you another story about a place where black lives matter: Africa,” how about you drink a nice herbal cup of SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Here is how to deal with Black Lives Matter protesters when they interrupt you: I don’t know, I have no idea. Maybe say hi? Offer to get a beer and listen to them later? That would probably not work, if your aim is to have them stop yelling over you during your speech. Has anybody tried it? OH OH I KNOW! You could say “Black Lives Matter folks, I hear you, and I have apologized for the Crime Bill. I regret the terrible toll it’s taken on communities of color for the past 30 years, and Hillary agrees with me. It’s her sincere desire to help undo that damage, and for that reason her policies are [examples of policies here, you’re a policy guy, I’m sure you already know them]. Now WATCH ME PLAY THIS SAXOPHONE!”

It might work? What won’t work: that thing you’re doing now, or were doing until Hillary “YOU’RE FIRED” you like a common Donald Trump.

White people: If this makes you like Hillary Clinton better, and she goes up in the polls because her husband yelled at black people (AGAIN), I will renounce you forever, DON’T DO THAT.

Hillary Clinton: Please send Bill Clinton to the Bahamas for ever. Nobody but some old talk radio biddies cares if he spends his dotage cavorting with bikini teenage strange. Pension him off. Put him out to pasture. Go see him once or twice a year, have a Mai-Tai and work on your tan.

It’ll be better for all of us.

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  • Blender_415

    It’s barely 7am here – too early for a joke about him wearing an onion on his belt?

    • Dr.Zoidberg

      It’s never too early for a joke about onions on belts.

    • Joe Beese

      Hey, it was the style at the time.

  • Nounverb911
    • weejee

      Home of the fallen?

      • Indiepalin

        I’d say you got burned.

    • chicken thief

      Some chick on Tinder just flash her tits?

      • nightmoth

        Or her thong. I’m still not over Monica flashing her thong.

        • chicken thief

          THIS is why I love the Wonkette! Always learning something new – I did not know Monica flashed her thong. Kind of makes sense that she would though.

          Did she save it, soiled, along with the blue dress?

          • nightmoth

            Girl’s probably shadowboxed it–lol! Yes, within her first week on the job, she had reason to go into the Oval office all by her lonesome, whereupon she yanked down her slacks and inquired “How do like my thong?” I always picture Bill’s eyes bugging out like Donald Duck’s and then I laugh a lot.

    • H0mer0

      or Libya….too soon?(or did I not scroll down far enough that someone else made that comment?Sorry if I did not.

  • Violet Knight

    Weird thing about this is I thought he’d previously expressed some regret about the crime bill.

  • Becca, I couldn’t agree more.

    Like her or not, Hillz strength comes from being a badass independent woman working within the very real confines of a white, male dominated infrastructure.

    Time to take the Big Dog for a long walk.

    • weejee

      The short pier path?

    • Gayer Than Thou

      “Look, Bill, here’s the gig: First Gentleman. So what I need from you is to get up to speed on chintz patterns that reflect our nation’s history. And that’s it.”

      • I’m sure he’ll do a great job with the travel office.

    • Nockular cavity

      Old Yeller style? (Sniff!)

  • Skwerl King

    Slick Willy ain’t so slick anymore. Kennel up Bill. Kennel up.

  • memzilla

    Don’t be a hoofwanking bunglecunt, Bill. Leave that to Cruz and Drumpf.

    • Pickwicknext

      The greatest combo of words ever!

  • Nounverb911

    You can the man out of Arkansas, but you can’t take the Arkansas out of the man.

  • schmannity

    He’s getting more unhinged and obviously less strange.

    • H0mer0

      and less charmed (or charming.)

  • Gayer Than Thou

    The longer I endure this primary season, the less I know what it’s actually for. I guess, in a way, it’s useful knowledge to learn that the people running for office and the people around them will, given enough time, say stupid things. A propensity for saying stupid things, or being advised by people who say stupid things, goes in the “con” column for me when making my choice. But sometimes I think the longer it drags on, the less substance we actually get.

    • Blank Ron

      Feature, not bug. Sadly.

  • Bureaucrap

    Remember his “sister souljah” triangulation back in the day? I think he knows exactly what he’s doing, and that’s trying to show the working class white racist/FOP voters that Hillary’s still really on THEIR side.

    • weejee

      The DLC seems alive and well.

      • Oblios_Cap

        Fuck the DLC.

    • pstockholm

      A Big Dog whistle?

    • Sardonicuss

      Yep….I wouldn’t muzzle the big dog just yet. He sure helped Obama out a lot in the last election and his convention speech’s usually knock it out of the park.

    • actually that might be the case. Bill is a 100% main-chance opportunist & anything goes as long as he & hillz get to inflict their brand of beneficence on us little people. And a separate brand of beneficence on Wall St.

  • jmk

    Gaaaaaaaaaaah! People are already saying they won’t vote for Hillz because of Billz’ mistakes… why would he make that worse??

    Send him off to do guinea-worm things with Jimmy and let’s move on.

    • chicken thief

      I know. I’ve run out of candidates….

      I can’t vote for Trump because Melanoma is furrin and as a strict Constitutionalist, I don’t want any outside influence in the White House.

      I can’t vote for Hillary because BILL!!!

      I can’t vote for Cruz because Heidi is VP at Goldman Sachs. Plus he’s never been cleared of the Zodiac Killer thingy.

      I can’t vote for Bernie because of all the BernieBros.

      And I can’t vote for Kasich because, come the fuck on, he’s John Kasich.

      I’ll just have to write in Zombie Ronald Reagan, I guess. From what I heard during the GOP debates he must have been a great President.

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        Gilmore/Webb 2016!

        • nmmagyar

          Who?

          • Querolous

            Who?/Who?

      • pstockholm

        I think Pat Paulsen is still available.

      • Sardonicuss

        Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho – 2016 “Is it his time yet?”

        • nmmagyar

          I will vote for Terry Crewes any day

  • Abe Lincoln had a similar problem with Mary Todd screaming at the public about the fairy folk vomiting ectoplasm all over her petticoats.

    • BearGHAZI

      “It’s too hard, Molly. Too hard.”

  • UnsaltedSinner

    Don’t make Hillary drop by with the pillow she used on Scalia, Bill.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      Coffee Spewed On The Keyboard Award of the morning.

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    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      I hear Fort Marcy Park is nice in springtime.

  • toomanyrappers

    Shove some hamburgers in his mouth. ;)

    • Land Shark

      Is that what the kids are calling ladyparts these days?

      • proudgrampa

        Those crazy kids!

        • H0mer0

          I thought they were burgers or tacos or clams (no longer bearded or breaded since a lot of women are getting Brazilians)

  • Lizzietish81

    Bill, stop helping.

    • AngryBlakGuy

      …lol good luck with that! Have you ever tried to tell a person suffering from dementia that they don’t know what they are doing?!

      • Pickwicknext

        Is that the answer for everything Reagan?

        • proudgrampa

          Pretty much.

  • Belasaurius

    someone give him a cheezeburger

  • AngryBlakGuy

    …yeah, saw this too. Bill has seemed to reach the age threshold of “I don’t give a fuck”! You know, that point where your grandmother blurts out racist shit like it’s perfectly ok!!! There was a time when Bill Clinton could diffuse a situation like this in a millisecond. On the bright side at least he didn’t tell the crowd to beat the dog piss out of them and “take their coats”

    • Tobias B. Santa

      I feel like if someone gives him a mint julep or slo-gin fizz, he would really fit the racist old grandma trope perfectly.

  • Vincent Ricola

    The former president needs to stop talking and start helping by putting a saxophone to his yapper and playing some smooth jazz sounds in the background while his wife is giving her speeches.

    • YoBunnyBunny

      Slow jam it, Hillz!!!

  • AngryBlakGuy

    I BLAME THE VEGANS

    …ever since Bill stopped eating meat products he has been off his fucking rocker!!!

    • Pickwicknext

      Oh FSM! He’s got reverse vegan powers!

    • Jenny

      Someone get that man a cheeseburger!

      • Apple Scruff

        I keep forgetting that his weight was a punchline while he was President.

      • AngryBlakGuy

        STAT!!!

      • lroom

        Someone get me one too!

      • kev

        STAT!

        • kev

          WITH BACON!!

    • nmmagyar

      The overwhelming majority of vegans are cranky people.

      • eggsacklywright

        Science fact fer shure.

      • AngryBlakGuy

        …if I couldn’t have a steak or cheese I would change my name to “MassMurderingBlakGuy”

        • nmmagyar

          Without bacon fat I would lose my ability to cook.

          • AngryBlakGuy

            …mmmm bacon fat

          • kev

            no shit. when i get down to less than a mason jar full of bacon renderings i get a little twitchy. without bacon fat what is the point of cooking?

        • Gayer Than Thou

          Hangrier Than Thou

        • kev

          how about instead: ‘if i couldn’t have a steak or cheese i would eat cranky people’.

      • kev

        eat more baconz

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Technically, I think you should be blaming the cardiologists for that one.

      • AngryBlakGuy

        …you know! Fuck those guys! Always delivering bad news!!!

        • H0mer0

          and telling my 40 year old female patients that they have six months to get their cholesterol down or get on a statin (further enriching Pfizer, I mean, aren’t they rich enough from Viagra already?)

          • AngryBlakGuy

            …you can shoot some of that “spare” viagra this way. No questions asked

          • H0mer0

            they cut me off. My S.O. buys his overseas (yes, I’m dating a geezer but he makes me laugh!)

  • Msmlg1979

    She’s got this, Bill. Go get your cookie recipe ready, like a good lil’ First Gentleman.

  • jmhm

    You know, she’s just a better politician than he is. He should really just go back to helping to fix malaria and shit and let her run the country.

  • JustPixelz

    Over on Bernie Sanders’ campaign site, he speaks about all the violence inflicted on black, brown and indigenous people: physical, legal, economic, etc. Then explains how he’ll fix all of it. But I’m troubled that for all his concern about violence, he doesn’t even mention the violence of day-to-day crime which is a Real Thing. This is like Drumpf fear mongering about terrorism without mentioning the 100/day people killed by guns. All of the “violence” Sanders describes is bad, but being actually killed (usually by a gun) is also bad and worthy of a sentence or two in his policy.

    I have no patience for Sanders. He is a deeply flawed candidate with a slogan but no meaningful experience.

    https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/

    • Pinkham’s Law

      I applaud your perfectly on topic post. Bravo!

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        NeEDz more sp1TTLe

    • YourNameHere

      What does this have to do with telling Bill Clinton to shut up? You guys are really starting to piss me off.

  • Rick Hill

    I have to say, I think this is what modern campaigning does to human beings. Going from place to place without break, talking to people you want to please and win affirmation. I think it’s too much for anyone to handle. Which is why we need to defrost the aliens from area 51 and get them working on the pandimensional supercomputer to let it run all our lives. Considering the way things are going now, what could go wrong?

    • MarkM

      It’s worth a try…

    • Latverian Diplomat

      We should allow campaigning with SHIELD Life Model Decoys.

      Cruz already does this of course, except there’s only one, and it’s not based on anyone human.

    • eggsacklywright

      What this country really needs is to bring back Moose and Squirrel.

    • BearGHAZI

      Wait- I thought they were all secretly reptiles. Now I’m just confused

  • Antimassacree

    Bill’s opportunities to talk into a campaign trail microphone should be safe, legal, and rare. With the choice left up to Hillary.

  • Pinkham’s Law

    See, this article is the perfect example of why I love me some Wonkette. Although blatantly Leftist, y’all aren’t about to pretend your side is incapable of fucking up, and are willing to call them out when they do.

    • Randy Riddle

      Sigh … don’t get me started on Bill’s support and signing of the Defense of Marriage Act …

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        You mean the Denial of Marriage Act? (That is literally what I thought it was called at first. I remember arguing with a friend about it lol)

        • eggsacklywright

          Leave No Clean Marriage Behind Act.

      • nmmagyar

        As a The Ghey I can at least give DOMA some credit for staving off the cries for a Constitutional amendment, which was in the pipe.

    • Vecciojohn LLC

      Except Joe Biden. He always gets a pass.

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        Well, yah.

      • DemmeFatale

        Of course.
        He’s OHJB!

    • Apple Scruff

      Hey, I’m pro-Hillary and I was cringing watching this yesterday. WTH, Bill?

      • MarkM

        Bill can make people cringe like nobody’s business when he has a mind to.

        • DemmeFatale

          Yeah, but I wasn’t surprised.
          He’s often gotten hot under the collar.
          Lately, he has been described as passive and docile.
          Not in this instance!
          (It was oddly comforting to see fire in his eyes.)
          Now, as to what he said…

    • proudgrampa

      Yup. Kudos to teh Wonkette. They call ’em like they see ’em.

  • Indiepalin

    Ben Carson used to beat up the little kids and steal their lunch money. But that was last week.

  • DoILookAmused2u ?

    To be perfectly fair, no he did not apologize for the Crime Bill, written by Joe Biden.

    He said he regretted the 3-strikes provision.

    Other provisions like the COPs program included things like community-based policing and requirements to report officer-involved shootings, and police reviews. These are all things BLM says they want to see MORE of.

    It also included hate crimes laws, etc.

    This focus on pretending that you can roll up all evil of all State Laws regarding mandatory minimums or State 3-strikes laws, or lack of prosecutions by local prosecutors against LEOs who break the law is plain wrong-headed and counter-productive.

    It’s a low-info voter thing,

    • Vecciojohn LLC

      Yes. Us lefties hate Clinton for not getting us everything we want NOW! Same for Obama! Same for that DINO Bernie if he gets in!

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jen-STxzI1s

      • TheBidenator

        Bernie is the messiah, a man who is utterly without fault and will deliver us all to the promised land. He is the only REAL progressive in America….don’t you DARE say anything that isn’t doting on him or so help me you’ll get the biggest crate of the cheapest Canadian Whisky sent to you!

        • Vecciojohn LLC

          You. my esteemed friend, are a little on the fanatical side sometimes. Now, I hate Hillary as much as any Godfearing atheist, because, like you, I can think straight. But tempted as I may be to vote for Nadar, I will not make that mistake. Now please, let’s talk about the issues.

          And I will not distinguish you’re obscene references to a certain product of our Neighbor to the North by saying even a single word about it. At long last, sir, have you no shame?

          • Querolous

            Gaspard-Félix Tournachon, even if alive, would not be eligible for the presidency.

    • Marceline

      Yeah, I’m a BLM protester and I didn’t have too much of a problem with what he said. At least he admits part of the law was bad.

      Personally, I don’t care what the issue is, I don’t approve of shouting someone down at the podium. It’s hard enough to get people involved. If you have a room full of people who take time out of their lives to participate in the process, let them. Protest outside.

      • Juan de Fuca

        I kinda like that at no point did he say, “Get them out!” It seemed as though BLM was engaging him and he was engaging them back. Huge difference being that he had a mic though. I thought it was interesting…

        • Marceline

          Yeah, I liked that too. No violence, no forceful ejection. He screwed the pooch by claiming they were defending the wrong people but up until then he stepped to them like they…well…mattered.

          • Juan de Fuca

            Agreed. Keep up the good fight ma’am.

    • h4rr4r

      It also expanded the death penalty and removed inmate education programs. It was not all sunshine and roses outside of 3 strikes.

      • DoILookAmused2u ?

        Yes, I know, but to pretend it was

        1. All bad.
        2. Is responsible for the vast majority of people in prison

        is wrong.

        • h4rr4r

          1. Fine, mostly bad. Does that make you happy? It had a sum total negative effect.
          2. No most prisoners are state level. Who are there because of similar legislation that both inspired and was inspired by this federal Act.

    • Nope.

      Well said.

  • Vecciojohn LLC

    Curb you Big Dog.

  • Jenny

    STFU Bill Clinton!

  • Indiepalin

    This boy got himself a mouthful of pussy.

  • Hesavebread!

    If I shout at black people will some send me to the Bahamas to cavort? I’m a cavortin’ kind of guy. *isn’t a cavortin’ kind of guy*

    • eggsacklywright

      It’s kind of a toss-up for me. Cavort or frolic? Hmmmm…

      • Hesavebread!

        I used to frolic but my knees have gone. Best I can do is the occasional gambol.

        • Blank Ron

          Can you at least perambulate regularly?

          • eggsacklywright

            For short distances.

          • Hesavebread!

            With the odd skip here and there.

          • ahughes798

            Some skipping, some strolling. But I really like flouncing the best.

          • Hesavebread!

            I do like a flounce.

          • H0mer0

            needz moar “perchance can you at least perambulate..”
            FIFY*

            *kidding

          • Blank Ron

            And it’s ‘Cans’t thou’ anyway <grins>

          • H0mer0

            I can only work with the canvas I was given :-P

  • Rick Hill

    So….does Bill want to keep Hillary from winning or does he not want to be the first first male first lady? And why does first lose it’s meaning so quickly when you repeat it so much?

    • H0mer0

      Most words lose their meanings that way. Something something about semantic satiation, sort of like how you stare at something red for a long time then see green in the same shape if you glance quickly at a white surface.
      Okay, maybe not…

  • Lance Thrustwell

    Bill’s always had a little bit of a short fuse at the podium. I remember several times during his presidency when he let people have it.

    That’s what irritates me about these BLM protesters. It’s not that their cause isn’t just or urgent – it’s that they often don’t seem to know who their friends are (friends with flaws, in many cases, but friends still).

    • Latverian Diplomat

      To some extent this is driven by what candidates/speakers will let them in the door in the first place. They haven’t really cracked how to get at the real assholes, but then, what protesters have?

      • Gayer Than Thou

        Can’t upfist you hard enough for this. But I’m gonna try!

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    Every desk in my house has a dent from my head hitting it. One starts to sympathize with Al Gore distancing himself on the campaign trail in ’00.

  • The Wanderer

    I don’t think they make ball gags big enough to stuff in his piehole.

    • MarkM

      Given his…ahhh, proclivities I’m sure some have tried.

  • chicken thief

    Didn’t Bill say some not so helpful shit back in 2008 also too? And it kind of blew over. The reality is, he is still a big draw and well respected in Dem circles. So despite that recent rant, he is probably still a net positive as a Hillz spokesperson.

    • DoILookAmused2u ?

      The reality is anybody who is trying to tell you that the problems with policing, sentencing at the state level, lack of prosecutions against LEOs who break the laws, and all the rest of the aggregate BLM complains can be attributed to Biden’s 1994 Crime Bill… is wrong. And I question if that wrongness was not politically motivated in some circles.

      • Sardonicuss

        The federal inmate population is less than 10% of the total U.S. inamate population…so if you really want to blame someone for the prison crisis, blame your local or state “lock em all up for cash” legislatures and private prison systems.

        • witsended

          Like this.

          NEW ORLEANS (AP) – A Louisiana man accused of stuffing $31 worth of candy bars into his pockets faces a possible sentence of 20 years to life in prison, prompting a judge to question whether the sentence was “over the top.”
          Orleans Parish prosecutors chose to charge Jacobia Grimes, 34, under a statute that boosts the alleged candy theft to a felony. The law applies to people who have been convicted of “theft of goods” at least twice. Grimes has five prior theft convictions, making him a “quad” offender under the state’s habitual-offender law.

          http://www.14news.com/story/31634245/man-accused-of-stealing-candy-could-get-20-years-to-life

          • Sardonicuss

            This kind of state level bullshit and civil forfeiture, should be highlighted by ever dem running at every level. All brought to us by the Repubs out here in the laboratories of democracy.

          • lroom

            That is horrible.

          • nmmagyar

            Didn’t a guy in CA get life for a joint under 3 strikes?

          • ahughes798

            I don’t know about CA, but it wouldn’t surprise me. There are definitely people serving life sentences in TX for possession of small amounts of marijuana.

      • h4rr4r

        Well it sure did not improve the situation.
        However it clearly did not create it from whole cloth either.

        • DoILookAmused2u ?

          I think community-based policing did help. BLM seems to think we need more of that too.

          • h4rr4r

            I was more referring to more death penalties, elimination of inmate education programs and most famously three strikes.

      • ryp

        You’re being polite. No one even remembered the 94 crime bill until It became a way to convince ignorant people that Hillary likes putting black people in jail.

        • DoILookAmused2u ?

          That is more succinct, and I suspect truthful.

    • Msgr_Moment

      He is the Trump of his people. Discuss.

      • chicken thief

        Hey, I was trying to defend the guy, to a certain extent. Put anyone in front of a mike for long enough and they’ll say something stupid.

        Trump starts off with stupid and goes from there.

    • Hutch

      In keeping with the Quick Draw McGraw theme this morning:

    • BearGHAZI

      He did very well at the 2012 convention despite his many lurid flaws

  • Vecciojohn LLC

    Marijuana comes in edible forms now, Bill. Maybe that wd help.

  • proudgrampa

    The death spiral continues…

    • DoILookAmused2u ?
      • chicken thief

        *annoyed, pouty face* Clicking linkies and reading?! Come on, Do I, just tell us in few enough werds it’ll fit on a bumper sticker!

        • nightmoth

          There, there, chicken thief: here’s the takeaway–
          “The increase in incarceration led to prison overcrowding. The legal system relied on plea bargains to minimize the increased case load. Jerry Brown and Bill Clinton later regretted the portions of the measure that led to increased prison population, e.g. the Three Strikes provision. Nevertheless, it has been acknowledged that the Community Oriented Policing Office had at least a modest impact in starting a long period of reduction in crime; the primary reasons for this reduction remain a mystery.”

          • DoILookAmused2u ?

            Less than 10% of prison inmates are in prison for federal crimes.

            So even that regretted provision is not responsible for the vast majority of the incarceration rate.

          • h4rr4r

            No our war on some drugs we only jail poor people for did that.

          • DoILookAmused2u ?

            At the federal level?

          • h4rr4r

            Considering 48.6% of federal prisoners are in for drug related offenses, I am going with yes.
            While they might only be 5% of the total prison population they are half of the federal prisoners.

            Really at all levels though. The war on drugs and its supporters are why we have this issue. We enforce harshly on the poor.

          • DoILookAmused2u ?

            There are about 35,000 prosecutions for Federal Drug offenses per year. Mostly trafficking and money laundering.

            Here’s a map of how that pans out:

            http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/html/fjsst/2006/tables/fjs06stm101.pdf

          • h4rr4r

            I don’t see how trafficking enters into it. That is a drug offense. It is supplying a demand.
            You are moving the goalposts.

          • h4rr4r

            Is trafficking a drug related offense or not?
            Please don’t move the goal posts.

          • h4rr4r

            my comment go bye bye?

            Since 48.6% of federal prisoners are incarcerated for drug charges I would say yes. Not only that but those incarcerated are always poorer and or browner than those given lighter sentences and probation.

            That means out of the 10% of prisoners that are federal, half or 5% of the total prison population are federal drug charges prisoners.

            Yes the states incarcerate more, but they are primarily following the federal government’s lead.

    • eggsacklywright

      The center cannot hold…

  • Nockular cavity

    Maybe Hill serving Bill a hot cup of Shut the Fuck Up will be her Sister Souljah moment.

  • Dr. Krieger IRL

    I would like Bill more if he did that apology you’ve written.

  • Squirrel_t_robot

    That ‘carrying bags’ comment was apocryphal, BTW.

  • Nockular cavity

    Jimmy Carter should hand him a hammer and say, “Here, Bill: make yourself useful.”

    • chicken thief

      Whatever one thinks of Jimmah’s presidency, has any president made a greater impact than him post-presidency?

      • Blank Ron

        As I recall, once out of office most presidents sort of fade into obscurity, apart from occasional forays into professional speechifying. Miz Lillian’s boy just switched careers and kept on working. He might just be the best PERSON who’s ever been president.

        • nmmagyar

          Does art serve no purpose to you? Philistine!!!!

      • nmmagyar

        Not to seem insensitive, but the CRA would have never been passed if JFK hadn’t been killed.

        • chicken thief

          There is that, but I was thinking in a more pro-active way. Of Preznits in my lifetime: Truman, Ike, Nixon, LBJ, Ford, Reagan, Bush #41, and Bush #43 just retired, as far as I know. The Clinton Foundation may be Jimmah’s only competition.

          • nmmagyar

            41 was pretty involved in disaster relief (atonement for Babs’ Katrina remarks? Probably), but I see your point.

        • ahughes798

          I think his brother would have passed it, had he lived. RFK was a different sort than his brother.

          • nmmagyar

            No doubt he would have tried. But LBJ guilted Congress into falling in line. “JFK wanted this” was an impossible argument to oppose

      • kev

        can’t answer your question but mine is this: what republican president has had ANY positive impact after leaving office? (i know, i typed too soon — you people are all typing: what republican president had a positive impact while IN office.)

    • proudgrampa

      DING! DING! DING!!!

  • goonemeritus

    Bill would probably hurt Hillary’s campaign less if he would spend his time chasing interns around his desk.

  • Lefty Frizzell

    Comparing today’s Big Dog with the version from just 4 years ago gives me that edge of an empty, sinking feeling, impotent rage at the inevitability of it, that one of the greatest communicators who ever lived is just, just, starting to lose his grip.

    • h4rr4r

      Look at the age of both democratic candidates and think about that for a minute.

      • Lefty Frizzell

        It happens to different people at different ages – my granny lived to 99 and was super sharp until about 97.

        • h4rr4r

          That is pretty good.
          On the average I find most people by their 60s get conned very easily. “Why of course finnish prince, I will pay my back taxes to you in cash in the alley behind the liquor store.”

          A recent one I heard was someone discussed ordering something online from another country. He then got a call from a “Customs Agent” who refused to give a name or call back number but needed a Credit card number to pay the import duty. The same man knew the item was arriving on time as reported by UPS and asked around if this might have been a scam. I wanted to scream at him, “NO SHIT DUDE, WHAT THE HELL?”

          • Biff52

            So, Cruz?

        • lroom

          My next door neighbor is in the high eighties. His mother only recently passed away and she was only a couple months shy of 106 yrs. He spends all day in the garden or fast-walking around our park and is sharp as a tack. Meanwhile the first of my cancer surgeries happened when I was seventeen and I’m now in my forties and can barely make it up a hill. Go figure.

      • nmmagyar

        Age is not necessarily predictive. Folks can start exhibiting symptoms of Alzheimer’s as early as their 50’s and other folks are still going strong at 100. My grandfather was 87 when he was killed in a car crash. He was still running a 100 acre farm with virtually no assistance (Grandkids threw bales of hay)

        • h4rr4r

          Not just Alzheimer’s, all kinds of age related metal changes. Simply being easily convinced for example.

          • nmmagyar

            Your argument has a serious flaw – older people are not any more inclined to fall for scams than other age groups. Stories about grandma falling for the Nigerian Prince email are worthy of reporting because of their rarity, but are not any more frequent than catfish or prison pen-pal (not to mention religious) scams.

          • h4rr4r

            Do you have a citation for this?
            Because the research I see disagrees. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3916958/

          • nmmagyar

            That study makes no definitive link between age and susceptibility. Lower education levels (a problem nation wide), an inability to advocate for themselves (again) and social isolation were (I’ll give you this one, older folks are more likely to be isolated).

          • Jen_Baker_VA

            Lower education is much more indicative of someone’s penchant for falling for scams than age. Although it is also true that some predators (specifically of the internets variety) heavily hunt the aged.

          • nmmagyar

            The study linked above specifically states that older people are targeted because they have money to take and are home during the day. I’ll go out on a limb and postulate that if you need to make a thousand calls to find a mark, 950 of those calls will be answered by people that are home during the day because they don’t work (the study doesn’t say if the calls were made to landlines). People that are financially able to not work because a spouse/partner makes enough to allow it will not/cannot make major financial decisions without discussion. That leaves retirees and widows/widowers.

          • h4rr4r

            That was one study, there are many others that say similar things.
            Social isolation might be the causal link, however my point stands. Increasing age does impact likeliness to be mislead.

            If you have citations that say otherwise I would be interested to see them.

          • nmmagyar

            Your own study says that older folks are targeted because of availability, not cognition.

          • h4rr4r

            Yet they found the same correlation.

          • nmmagyar

            So you are saying that if either Hillary or Bernie is elected they will be socially isolated (a major finding) and have a limited education level (another major finding)? Nothing in that study is applicable to the original argument point you brought up – that Hillary and Bernie are too old.

          • h4rr4r

            All politicians are socially isolated. Elderly ones especially spo.

            Their education might not be limited, but it sure was a long time ago. I am sure their education reduces the impact, I do not think they are the same people they were at 45 though.

            http://media.npr.org/documents/2012/dec/PerceptionsofTrust.pdf
            As much as you want to believe it the elderly are more vulnerable. There are biological changes related to aging that have a real impact.

            Again I ask for a citation that proves otherwise.

          • h4rr4r

            That is listed as a possible reason they are targeted. That has nothing to do with susceptibility. Which is what you objected too.

            That they answer strange phone numbers is already one of the things I am speaking of.

          • nmmagyar

            You don’t? I do.

          • h4rr4r

            Never.
            Any 800 or unknown goes to voicemail. If it is important they will leave one.

          • nmmagyar

            Much like older people, I have Dr’s offices and service agencies calling – I have to answer numbers that are blocked because of HIPPA. Opportunity, not cognition.

          • h4rr4r

            I do too, they all know how to use voicemail to leave their number.

          • nmmagyar

            Yeah, I want that slot for an MRI or CT scan, that I’ve been waiting 2 months to get, to possibly go to someone else because I refuse to answer an unknown caller.

          • h4rr4r

            Huh?
            Where is the line that long?

          • ahughes798

            It’s one month for an MRI or CT scan where I live. For routine mammograms, it’s about 6 weeks.

          • nmmagyar

            Albuquerque. It’s even worse for folks in smaller cities/rural areas – not to mention people using the VA or IHS.

          • h4rr4r

            I do as well, they can use voicemail to leave a callback number just fine.

            Giving scammers opportunity is part of cognition.

        • DoILookAmused2u ?

          Have you seen my pants?

          • nmmagyar

            I’m 46 and have never successfully found a set of keys without assistance. The only reason I have a land-line is to find the phone I actually use.

    • chicken thief
  • Joe Beese

    Are the Hillary supporters honest enough to admit that had “superpredators” emerged from the mouth of anyone with an R after their name that they would instantly recognize it as a dogwhistle for “superni**ers” ?

    • chicken thief

      Whoa now! Let’s not go there, ok. My grandmother was a supernitter – I mean she could nit all kinds of stuff: sweaters, little blankies, stocking caps. Those needles would be like, white hot, she was nitting so fast. I loved grammy, so please, I beg of you, let’s leave the supernitters out of this.

      • Doug Langley

        Thank you, Emily Litella.

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      Well, except she was talking about white people too. And Latino and Asians. Gangs…are made of other people besides black people, you know?

      • nmmagyar

        They are. But it has been used as a dog whistle for so long that it instantly makes my hackles rise.

    • DemmeFatale

      It may have been a dogwhistle coming out of an R’s mouth, (and they would have meant it that way).
      However, it came out of a D’s mouth, and seemed to apply logically to the grotesque expansion of gangs from many ethnic backgrounds (not just to R base fears and stereotypes).

  • zerosumgame0005

    such poutrage! such opportunistic twisting of what really happened! such “Revolution Messaging” (the company Bernie hired to flood social media with lies and BS) spin you have embraced! Bullshit, it was a noisy room, this is as real “screaming” as the “Dean Scream” and you have bought into it. such a shame on you!

    • rebecca

      I don’t think I am embracing Bernie spin? I watched the videos. I did not like them. Shame on me indeed!

      • Pickwicknext

        Yes! Curse you ‘trix for having a well reasoned opinion on matters!

      • zerosumgame0005

        why? it was a noisy room, lots of chanting and rousing sprits. He did not change his tone or rant? Bill did not tell anyone to beat them up or remove them? He kept making his point and they never changed their message of disruption and misleading rhetoric, for reference THIS is what being an asshat and ranting and screaming looks like;

        http://bluenationreview.com/civil-rights-legend-john-lewis-trolled-by-bernie-supporters/

  • SnarkOff

    I second all of this, except the part about sending Bill off to the Bahamas. It will be so much fun to have that guy in the White House again, srsly.

    • pstockholm

      Put him on a leash for the duration of he campaign, then let him run out the White House gates, shitting all over Republican lawns from Long Island to San Diego? That might be a good plan actually.

  • ClarkJoe

    I say we send Bill Clinton and Jeff Weaver to a farm upstate where they can run free and tussle in the mud, so Hillary and Bernie can go back to being nice, mature adults with strong ideas for how to improve our country the lives of our citizens.

  • TheBidenator

    So wait, Bernie Sanders voted for that crime bill and is a shameless whore for lax gun laws and he gets to have umbrage about negative effects on the black community? We live in very strange times…..

    • chicken thief

      I believe just about everyone voted for that crime bill and black leaders praised it – at the time.

      DoIlookamused2u, where’s that damn link?!!!

    • toomanyrappers

      Black Lives Matter isn’t part of the Sanders campaign.

      White people had plenty of guns. Maybe they had money and hope, too. Maybe that was something…

    • ryp

      Bernie only voted for the good parts, as he has with all the votes he has made for legislation he later complains about.

  • Donkey Option

    I feel badly for Hillary. She is the only person in this race whose spouse is a politician in his/her own right. She is being judged on what she said when she was just first lady, instead of an actual politician. And Bill, who I used to like more, is being a complete ass. Dude – you’re NOT HELPING. And everyone else’s spouse is a nobody that no one really cares about. But she has this huge anchor around her neck. And he won’t get blamed for this – she will. Everyone will still love him and pine for the days of his presidency while at the exact same time blaming her for the policies they don’t like that he put into place.

    • chicken thief

      A huge anchor that can raise $1M in an afternoon, pretty much any day he feels like getting dressed up.

      I should have been saddled with an anchor like that – THANKS, OBAMA!1!!!

    • Joe Beese

      We have it on the word of the Big Dog himself that we had gotten “two for the price of one”. That cuts both ways.

      • jmhm

        Yeah, he said that. Then congress gave him shit about it and he shut her out.

    • r m reddicks

      Hillary has her own history. Not a lot of it particularly pretty.

  • Biff52

    That crime bill is what put guns in the hands of USFS, NPS and BLM (no, the other BLM) rangers and gave them police powers on the streets and highways and everywhere else. Even Fish and Game wardens can bust your ass. With about 40 hours of training, they are now Law Enforcement Officers. Thanks, Bill.

    • Thepeoplevs.

      If you are out in the forests with armed poachers and armed weed growers, you probably need to be armed…

      • Biff52

        I’m fine with that, but they now have jurisdiction everywhere. And some of them are overzealous, and couldn’t get hired by traditional law enforcement agencies. Granted, enough overzealous cops already exist in traditional law enforcement agencies, but now imagine the ones that didn’t make the cut, yet are still employed in a law enforcement capacity.

        • ahughes798

          I think it’s okay that Fish and Game Wardens can bust people, if they’re doing something illegal in the State and National Parks where they are posted. I wasn’t aware that they had jurisdiction even outside the parks. OBama signed into law a policy that allows people to carry firearms in National Parks, so I don’t mind BLM or USFS employees being armed. It’s really hard to get into the USFS as a ranger, it requires an education(usually at the Master’s degree level)in every aspect of Natural Areas Management. I don’t think a wanna be cop who couldn’t get hired anywhere else because they’re overzealous would automatically be considered for a position as a USFS or BLM employee, because they don’t have the type of education required to do the job, which involves people skills, Natural Areas Management experience, and the education to back up that experience. This is just what I learned from researching and considering becoming a Ranger. Things may have changed, requirement wise, since I last looked. I agree with you that an overzealous Ranger could be just as dangerous as an overzealous cop, and they shouldn’t have jurisdiction outside of the park.

        • Kavefish

          And, as addendum and tangent to that jurisdiction issue, is the Border Patrol and their 100 mile swath along the *entire* US border, which some estimates claim engulf about 66% of the nation’s population. Buh-bye, Constitution!

        • Cindyinencinitas

          Yeah, they’re called Blackwater now.

  • janecita

    When Bill moves to the Bahamas, he should take Hillary, Donald Trump, and Ted Cruz with him. The country would be a whole lot better, if they all decided to go fishing and leave politics behind.

    • proudgrampa

      Actually, let ME go to the Bahamas and go fishing. This election cycle is wearing me out!

      • nmmagyar

        I hate fishing, but would gladly go sit on a beach with a book, or look at pretty men – I’m flexible like that.

        • willi0000000

          try fishing my way . . . go to a lake, pond or stream . . . find a tree that leans at a convenient angle . . . get a stick . . . tie a piece of string to the stick and prop it up so the string dangles in the water . . . now lean back and nap, read or just admire the scenery.

          [ at the end of the day you use the stick to pull the string out of the water as hard as you can . . . if a fish wanted to suicide it would have tied a little noose on the end of the string and waited ]

          • nmmagyar

            So all I need is a stick. I can work with that.

          • Cindyinencinitas

            Nooooo! You want a bobber on the end of the string to give your meditation a focal point and to ward off people who may be tempted to give you advice on how to fish.

          • willi0000000

            the stick you find . . . the string you bring with.

            [ i’ve tried to find string outside when i need some . . . it just ain’t there ]

      • janecita

        I know, I can’t even watch the news anymore. A lot of sun and margaritas would probably make me feel better.

    • Skadi

      We’d still have to deal with Paul Ryan.

    • jmhm

      Nah. Bloomberg tried running the government from the tropics. It didn’t work out for him ;)

  • TheBidenator

    BLM could also ya know, not habitually disrupt speeches….that does tend to piss people off. I’m not acting as an apologist for Bill Clinton but come on guys, I like your cause, stop being so confrontational. Also, didn’t Hillary already say she regretted making the ‘super predator’ remark?

    • Joe Beese

      Seriously, guys, do you have to insist on sitting at the lunch counter? While the waitstaff is explaining that they can’t serve you, the rest of us are waiting for our food and we have to get back to the office.

      • TheBidenator

        False equivalency but nice of you to be puerile about it….disrupting a speech to yell at a candidate is not the same as disrupting a horrendous society by challenging its racist laws. If you think the two are good for juxtaposition I really have nothing else to add other than nice try though….

        • Joe Beese

          Bill is the one who built all those big racist prisons to put them in. If he doesn’t deserve to be challenged, who does?

          • TheBidenator

            I don’t disagree with you about that, the crime bill Bernie Sanders voted for and Bill Clinton signed was a shit sandwich. Bill Clinton SHOULD be challenged over it, my point is BLM doesn’t do these things in a way that will win people over to their side. If you’re going to be confrontational about bad laws, challenge the laws- that’s what the Woolworths sit ins were doing, FFS.

          • r m reddicks

            Just how can they win anyone over? You point it out and maybe people will win themselves over. More disruption. Not less.

    • Thepeoplevs.

      All protests need to move beyond confrontation to communication…
      BLM has gotten the nation’s attention on disparity and injustice, but the hard work of fixing the problems has not begun. The Occupy movement faltered at that crucial point, lost momentum and the disappeared…

      • janecita

        The Occupy Movement, just like the BLM movement, had the MSM working overtime to make them look bad. They only received negative attention from our “press.”

        • DoILookAmused2u ?

          Put on a suit, found a think tank, publish papers, circulate talking heads on TV “news” shows.

          The Koch Brothers already showed you how it’s done.

          • janecita

            Unlike the Koch brothers, I don’t have billions of dollars, I also have a 9-5 job, two kids, a house and a husband to take care of. I don’t think that it’s such an absurd request to expect our press to do a better job.

          • DoILookAmused2u ?

            It takes organization. Didn’t say you had to do it or do it alone.

            I just don’t think you can out-maneuver them without organizing.

            Heck, the last attempt at Criminal Justice Reform was aborted because they had Republican legislators sneak “mens rea” sections in there for white collar crimes, making it possible for somebody to do terrible things (oh, like dumping chemicals in rivers and streams, etc) and also making it impossible for prosecutors to go after them for things that happen as a result like deaths, etc because “they didn’t intend to kill nobody”.

          • Cindyinencinitas

            Tell that to Don Blankenship.

        • Thepeoplevs.

          I beg to differ…
          There was plenty of both positive and negative coverage.

      • Lefty Frizzell

        I feel like the only lasting legacy of Occupy is that the term “one percent” has lodged in the national consciousness. It may seem insignificant, but now you rarely hear a progressive speech without it, and it’s changed the way a nation thinks about itself, forever. Which is pretty neat, really.

    • r m reddicks

      She “misspeaks” fairly regularly. But as to the BLM, like whenever if you don’t disrupt you’ll be easily dismissed.

  • TheBidenator

    Mandatory minimum sentences and privatized prisons are shit sandwiches on wheels….both need to end. Period.

    • DoILookAmused2u ?

      Privatized prisons are not part of the crime bill.

      Mandatory minimums for anything but federal crimes are not either.

      • chicken thief

        You’re going to force us to read that link, aren’t you.

      • TheBidenator

        I didn’t say they were….it’s germane to the discussion and they are hobby horses of mine.

    • nmmagyar

      Felony charges for small amounts of pot (anything under a pound) need to go away also, too. And charging/sentencing disparities between powder and crystallized cocaine.

    • Malmborg Implano

      The school-to-prison pipeline also needs to be shut down NOW.

    • The privatized prisons may be one of the most stupid ideas ever. Any system set up to make money off incarcerating people automatically will remove the incentive to rehabilitate people and keep them from returning. And if you don’t want people to get out of prison and maybe have a useful life, why bother ever letting anyone out.

      • kev

        no matter who runs the prison, the two biggest expenses are personnel and food. if you have to make a profit and do it for less than the state could do it, guess where you cut costs? prison guards are not well paid under the best of circumstances. but those in the for-profit system get virtually no training and receive less than a living wage. many resort to smuggling in contraband to supplement their meager incomes. and of course, horrible conditions leads to expensive law suits that the state ends up paying for. another example of privatized profits and socialized losses.

      • r m reddicks

        How can a government allow the sanctioning of it’s citizen to be carried out by profiteers? Not that even gov’t prisons didn’t do some profiteering themselves.

    • kev

      amen. back in the 90s when the federal sentencing ‘guidelines’ were promulgated i did a research gig at the federal probation office here in town. the sentences called for for even small amounts of drugs were frightening.and the sentencing disparities between cocaine possession (a ‘white’ drug) and crack (a ‘black drug’) were unconscionable. people with no criminal history or violent past were locked up for 10 years or more. under state law at that time (ohio) you could not even be arrested for possessing like two ounces of marijuana or less. you could only be issued a citation similar to a speeding ticket. commit the same offense on federal property and you would almost certainly be going to prison. one other aspect to the sentencing guidelines is that a sentence of probation for first offenders was rarely an option for the judge.

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  • kindness

    Yea, Bill went off the path. Slap his wrists and call him bad. But I’m wondering what the end game is for the BLM folk (and I support the BLM folk). What is it they want outside of please cops don’t kill people (not just black people) for bad reasons & how about a little fairness. That’s what I figure they want at least. But is doing this the best way to get there? Or is it just a passion play to get themselves some TV exposure, regardless of the damage it causes Democrats. No doubt a President Trump or Cruz will gladly bring the BLM in front and center and shower them with everything (not).

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      They don’t care about damaging Democrats or Republicans; they do care about the lip service they get from both, year after year, while nothing ever changes. They want them to engage, to make good on promises, to stand with them and they will take up the first candidate who does it.
      That no candidate has yet stood up and went “You know, you are right, this shit is fucked up and has to change” is pretty insane, IMO. Bernie at least just let them have their say, but he missed an opportunity to go “Ya know, I hear you, I am mad about this too! We will fix this together!”
      And Billy boy…well…..we see what he did.
      The Republicans of course rely too heavily on white supremicists so they just have em beat up and removed.

    • Playhouse

      This is my issue, too. The cause has vital merit and I’ve seen many who want to help institute the changes BLM seem to want. For all that’s good, let’s find solutions. But I’ve seen far too many public events (not just political events) disrupted here in Seattle with little direction or initiative other than to disrupt. Discussion too often isn’t the agenda, which I can appreciate when you’re met with lip service frequently loses relevancy. But at some point, the message starts getting lost unless you turn it into dialogue. Get clear on the message and the specific demands and open to the table. Otherwise, the protest becomes noise with no positive action.

      • kev

        good point. here in cleveland a favorite tactic was to block roads and highways out of downtown at afternoon rush hour. many a good liberal work downtown and their evenings were completely disrupted by not being able to get home to pick up the kids, cook, do the shopping etc. why employ tactics that are certain to alienate those most inclined to support you while also providing ammunition to those who will never support you?

        • House0fTheBlueLights

          Because lip service is not the same as supporting. You think a traffic jam is a drag? Try being afraid to let your kid walk to school, or sit in the front room of their own house. If anything, the disruptions need to continue, but they need to take over the narrative so that the larger issue and not just the tactic becomes the story. Progressives could help with this by using the disruptions to highlight the issues instead getting all bent out of shape over the tactics.

          • kev

            how does disrupting the lives of others make my neighborhood safe for my children? the ones stuck in traffic aren’t the ones making my neighborhood into a war zone.

          • Debbies are like snowflakes

            But it might (might) make those good liberals more aware that it is still a war zone out there for people of color.
            Sometimes maybe it’s necessary to “comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable” in order get attention for a cause.
            As I type this, there is a huge conference on my college campus on the high rates of incarceration of POC, organized by BLM. There are several rooms, packed to the gills with people. I doubt that would be happening if BLM hadn’t been agitating.
            My whiter-than-snow family had an hour and a half discussion about BLM/racism at our Christmas get together this year; I doubt that would have happened if BLM hadn’t been agitating.

          • Frank Underboob

            I answered that class of questions elsewhere in the thread:
            http://wonkette.com/600459/hillary-clinton-needs-to-muzzle-her-husband#comment-2613792407

        • Frank Underboob

          why employ tactics that are certain to alienate those most inclined to support you

          Because “inclined to support you” + $5 will buy you a cup of coffee. Being “inclined to support” doesn’t actually change anything. If I’m going be completely honest with myself, I felt much the same way as you about BLM storming Sander’s stage, but after much thought & discussion over the following weeks – & especially seeing Sanders step up to the plate – I realised that BLM was right, & I had been wrong about the protesters.

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        Sometimes disruption IS the point. (in a good way)

    • r m reddicks

      Feet to fire. Make them own it or make them stop paying lip service.

    • Frank Underboob

      The differences between how Sanders & his team handled BLM protesters vs how Clinton’s been handling them is one of the big reasons why I’m a Sanders supporter. BLM protesters crashed one of his events, & instead of sicking the security goons on them, he let them speak, then later gave them an official seat at the table in his campaign. Clinton’s treatment of them speaks volumes, IMO.

  • pstockholm

    I like that BLM is calling him out, even if they are shouty. I like that he is giving a spirited defense even if a lot of whatever he’s defending is indefensible. I like that Wonkette is smack in the middle of it. Not the only place to find a precious shred of sanity, but definitely the best.
    Everything else sucks.
    Except Krugman, who never disappoints.

  • Malmborg Implano

    I agree. I guess he can’t do the usual thing and just stand quietly behind his spouse while she campaigns because then people would say he was pussy-whipped. But I think it would be better if he was like Jane Sanders and made visits to the scenes of horrific Republican crimes to publicize how dangerous it is to keep these people in power.

  • TheBidenator

    Do you know what makes crime decrease? Education, opportunity- if we really wanted to fix the issues of crime we’d actually listen to people and fix our educational system by getting rid of that fucking district system of funding which only serves to codify inequality and we need a national curriculum. Every country that whips our asses in education (and there are quite a few) uses that particular system and we need to start doing what fucking works. That would be just a fucking baseline issue- give every child the promise of an excellent education no matter how rich or poor they are. Educated, financially stable populaces tend to have fewer unplanned children and far lower crime rates…we know this so lets do something about it.

    • DoILookAmused2u ?

      Good luck with that.

      You can’t even have a uniform test of kids in different districts without parents coming unglued and the Koch Network spending a shitbucket of cash to create and spread conspiracy theories which most people think are true.

      For what it’s worth, I think we have neglected education (and infrastructure and research), but you’re up against an army.

      • Jen_Baker_VA

        Then we meet the army. And we do not give ground. And we educate them, constantly, with fact. It is an uphill battle (both ways, naked, in the snow) but it is not an unwinable one, over time.

    • chicken thief

      If that really worked I think the GOP would propose legislation to implement such a plan ’cause, you know, they are the ‘tough on crime’ party.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        A “tough on crime” policy needs crime. How else are you gonna sell it to scared white people?

        • chicken thief

          Fox News will provide the ‘numbers’.

          • Cindyinencinitas

            The prison lobby will provide the number$ to the legislators to keep things “tough.”

    • Marceline

      “we know this so lets do something about it.”

      Have you met the Republican Party?

    • You are absolutely correct in that education and opportunity are the best ways to decrease crime. But I do think we need to look at education in a slightly different way.
      The current setup basically says every 6 yr should have mastered this set of skills or knowledge, every 7 year old another set, and so forth until we get to classes for a specific content areas. The problem is that if a student develops more slowly than the average, they pass by the skin of their teeth and move on to the next year before they are ready for it. And the schools will do anything we can to get that pass rate up, because that is how we are rated.
      Instead, I would suggest we treat the curriculum like a ladder that needs to be climbed. Chop it into smaller bits, not based on age, but based on sets of skills that we think should go together. And then let the students climb the ladder, with teachers helping whoever needs it. When the teacher sees the student is ready to advance, the student takes a test or completes a task to demonstrate they have mastered the rung of the ladder. Sometimes a student may cover several rungs in a single term, other times they take more than one term. But we create a system in which students actually master skills instead of learn just enough to pass the end of the year test.
      And just in case this needs to be said, since most people have differing strengths and weaknesses, this give students a logical way to pace their progress to their individual strengths. It would be a big change, but I have taught in such a system and once you get used to it is actually easier to do. I also learned math in such a system and it was wonderful.

      • Cindyinencinitas

        I learned some subjects in some grades (a very spotty, poorly organized program) in this way because I was in advanced placement all the way through school so why not throw some fat on the fire here and point out that there is NO money in school budgets for those kids. There’s a batrillion dollars devoted to the other end of the spectrum, and I don’t begrudge them a cent, but to give no support to the ones who are dying for some enhanced learning experience, and who have the potential to move the needle, is crazy.

    • nmmagyar

      I think we tried for a national curriculum, and got NCLB shoved up our asses

    • Bemused

      Also good public transportation, so that people without cars have access to jobs outside their immediate neighborhood.

    • kev

      maybe, but there’s more than that. some years back a suburban cleveland school district hired an academic (african, as i recall) to study why there were such disparate outcomes for a racially mixed (about 50/50 black to white) student body whose parents were by-and-large middle to upper-middle class. they looked at not just GPA and graduation rates but other things like enrollment in Advanced Placement classes, how many grads went on to college and a host of factors. what he learned and reported was that the black students were under intense peer pressure to not be seen as “acting white”. academic success was equated with “acting white”. the backlash over the report was LOUD and everyone pretended as though the whole thing never happened. i think one lesson is that you can’t easily succeed in a culture that you’ve rejected, no matter what opportunities are available.

      • Cindyinencinitas

        The ex grew up in South Central in the 70s and said that when he was walking home if he was seen carrying more than 2 schoolbooks he was beaten up (he was defenseless-pudgy, short and wore glasses). He used to hide in the library until after the Crips were gone for the day.

        • kev

          thank you. i was expecting only a fuckton of hate-mail in response to my forbidden comment. thus far, (5 hours in) there are no ‘up’ or ‘down’ fists. to those who want to ‘support’ rather than just ‘pay lip service’, let’s discuss.

          • Cindyinencinitas

            Sorry I didn’t upfist you.

            There.

          • kev

            a reply without a threat of bodily harm is AOK.

          • ryp

            When I was a kid I lived in a heavily Appalachian transplant neighborhood for a few years where there was a similar hostility to appearing interested in getting an education.

      • Lily412

        I have read personal essays from Samantha Irby that support that idea– that if you didn’t speak in slang enough or liked school too much, you could be accused of trying to act white. It’s anecdotal, but I believe it could be an issue.

        • kev

          thanks. i got similar feedback from others sharing an appalachian and in inner-city hispanic viewpoint. how do we get marginalized groups to ‘buy in’ to the dominant culture, especially when the current gop folks exert an out-sized influence in the public arena? what will influence them to vote every time, not just presidential years?

    • r m reddicks

      Oh, the american comedy!

  • Blank Ron

    Jeez, Bill, knock it off. Go do something useful. Help Jimmy build houses or something.

  • orygoon

    Eh he came here in 2008 to stump for Hillary and I went to see him and I’d do it again. (He wouldn’t get BLM hecklers here b/c pretty damn white in this part of the world, so that wouldn’t be a thing–though his appearance wouldn’t flip OR for Hillz, they are SO waiting to Bernie-select those mail-in ballots when they finally come.) But yeah, Bill should be careful what he says. Anyway, not sure he should be posted to Chad; a lot of people still love Bill.

    • Biff52

      I went to hear him in 2008, too. He had a way of engaging every single person in the small crowd. Just a very genuine guy, or at least seemingly so. For whatever reason, I attracted the attention of the Secret Service goons and was flanked for the duration. That was unnerving.

      • I got lucky enough to meet them right near the end of Bill Clinton’s first term. He has incredible charisma, and like you said he seems to be able to talk with a single person at a time, yet include the entire room. I would guess this mistake has a lot to do with defending his ego – nobody likes to admit they were wrong and it hurt a lot of people. But he was (although he had a lot help in making that mistake) and he needs own up to it. You know, like Rebecca said in the text.
        Hillary is a powerhouse in her own right, but not with that kind of charisma. It is interesting to me, that the things people seem to criticize her for, that drive, stamina, how hard she tries to be prepared are the very things I admire about her.

        • HanBarbara

          She is the Hermione Granger of the political world.

        • r m reddicks

          Yep, she had a lot of drive and stamina in Libya and Honduras.

        • Sakonyachen

          I admire all those things. I’m not exactly Kurdt Cobain with the feminism either.
          When she gets in her “Fuck you Jack!” mode, it’s my favorite. That almost smug smirk like she knows you are in the hole and still digging.

          I actually kinda wish her and Bernie would go at it more, so I could see her do that but they both know better, that’s why they are in politics and the most flattering way to describe my job is that I run logistics for food service in the premier school district in Illinois. The honest way is I deliver food to schools for rich people. For very little money.

          • I don’t want to see her and Sanders go after each other, but I will enjoy watching Clinton put Trump in his place. I suspect that if she debates Cruz it will be a crapfest, since Cruz lies constantly, but not as obviously.

          • Sakonyachen

            Cruz is a punching bag, Hillary will kill all my sour grapes over Bernie if she debates that marionette puppet in a suit. He can’t handle Trump, what’s his plan for someone with actual plans? She will eat his lunch and make him wash the dishes afterwards.

      • r m reddicks

        They thought you were Travis Bickle?

    • OneDemin EOr

      I took a 6 hour bus ride from the eastern part of the state to Eugene to see Bill in 2008. Probably the same day you guys did!
      Bill is the most charismatic speaker I have ever heard. That said, he can’t resist stepping on his own crooked dick every time he opens his mouth attempting to support his wife. I read a piece on WaPo to the same effect.
      Maybe, given the state of his arteries, his carotid is occluded and cutting off the flow to his brain pan. He definitely should stfu already and retire to a beach, as Trix recommended.

    • r m reddicks

      How about Rawanda or Yugoslavia? Could we send them both to one of those places?

  • AnOuthouse

    I can’t stand listening to Bill Clinton. His voice grates on me and I feel like I’m being sold a used car. Hillary I like, but Bill not so much.

    • Greg Comlish

      I typically love the smooth, political stylings of Bill Clinton, although this was a low point.

    • bluicebank

      He used to be a contender. Not so much, anymore.

  • Skadi

    If I had to pick someone who would become a Crabby Old Man, Bill Clinton would previously have come very low on my list. Maybe he’s sick? Heart trouble again? :-(

    • Hesavebread!

      He doesn’t look well.

      • Cindyinencinitas

        I agree. He needs to put on about 20 lbs and he needs his old makeup artist back. The one who knew what to do with that purple nose.

    • jmhm

      I’ve been wondering about that. Ed Koch started out to the left of Attila the Hun, and after a few years of cardiovascular problems he was hosting the Republican convention.

    • Bemused

      I imagine it’s hard to watch your wife being attacked for your decisions.

  • Thaumaturgist

    I need to pay my bills. On time. You really think lecturing me is going to do any good?

  • Bemused

    The problem with the 90s stuff is that they were working within a certain level of knowledge and addressing problems that are a different priority levels today. There are lots of bad things in that bill, some of which should have been apparent at the time, some of which only became clear in our 20/20 backward look, there were also good things in the bill. And, yes, the rhetoric around it was often toxic.

    Bill is going to have a hard time not defending his positions, in part because Hillary is being attacked with them. Nature of the beast.

  • 9th-Dimensional Secret Self

    A former Governor of Arkansas? Striking a bum note on race relations? I don’t believe it.

  • Me not sure

    I thought going vegetarian was supposed to mellow one out. Somebody get me a cheeseburger!

    • Sakonyachen

      Doesn’t work that way. The most amped up aggressive person I ever knew was a vegetarian. He has serious hyper thyroid issues. Bill has hyper ego issues. No amount of fiber can fix that.

      • Me not sure

        Fiber! HAH,

  • Wow. Hillary delegated her Sista Soulja moment to her hubby. Hill gets plausible deniability while comforting white racists who crave a white man yelling at uppity black folk.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      Sadly, this cynical take is probably accurate.

    • Bitter Scribe

      Except it probably wasn’t their idea for the BLM people to show up and start yelling.

      • Frank Underboob

        Were the protesters actually BLM people? I haven’t heard that discussed yet, as it’s been drowned out by all the yelling from the HRC camp, alleging that they’re Sanders supporters.

    • snark-lurker

      Humm. Maybe Medetc might got sumpin thar.

    • Greg Comlish

      The only problem with that hypothesis is that Hillary doesn’t yet have the nomination and this outburst is terribly timed for the next series of contests which could have been decisive in her favor. Black voters have been Hillary’s ace in the hole. If this flub neutralizes Hillary’s advantage among minorities, then it gives Bernie a real shot in the arm.

      • Hill is gonna win the nom period – Bernie gets no advantage from this flub/opportunity. Justly or unjustly, Bernie’s got too many problems with folks over the age of 30.

        What would be interesting is if, as the former President sorta advocated, BLM advocates turned their attentions to the role the black urban/suburban middle class parents played in Bill’s “3rd Way” political approach. Bill pointed out a hard truth – African-American parents played the silent majority on 90s welfare reform and the crime bill.

        The support of African-American parents allowed those bills to be sold to voters as having “diverse” support.

    • puipui

      I think a better Sister Soulja moment here would be if she went to every interview ever today and said, essentially, “Yeah, my husband is an ass, sorry, and here is why he was so very very wrong yesterday.”

      I think doing that would do a lot to help her campaign, actually, if only just to make the liberal base people (like me, I’ll be honest) feel more comfortable with her.

      • The scenario here could be one that Hill stumbled on, but it plays out going forward with Hill needing a bid to calm white anxieties. Bill’s “efforts” will be seen by white middle class general election voters as “proof” she takes all those BLM truths with a big ol’ grain of salt.

    • Llareggub

      It’s much preferable to have white men yell at me to vote for their white male candidates instead.

  • Bill Slider

    Hillary is having a tough week, a tuf week too. She is not doing well with convincing the FBI to focus not on her private server, but on drugs, Panama papers and the Chinese leaders who invited themselves to our backyard sandbox in Panama. Now her husband is stirring up her base, in a not good way. She should have gone to Palm Springs, CA and conducted a voter registration drive at the Dinah event. It is not often that you have an opportunity to meet with 20,000 lesbians and convince them you need their vote. Nonstop media coverage would bury FBI comments and Bill Clinton speeches.

    • Karen Marie

      I do not believe the FBI would be investigating HRC’s server – if they even really are – but for pressure from the flea-bitten pugs in congress. After this amount of time, anything to find would have been found. Irritating Clinton is precisely the purpose of this piece of theater.

      • toomanyrappers

        An investigation is the only way to silence the critics. There will always be conspiracy theories, but we already witnessed the stupidity of the birthers.

        It’s the right thing to do.

        • Llareggub

          “An investigation is the only way to silence the critics.”

          I can assure you unequivocally, after watching this for 25 years now, that no amount of investigations, hearings, and exoneration will ever silence Clinton critics. And to watch this come day after day from the left is like some crazy Republican machination come true.

          • toomanyrappers

            It settles into the background of conspiracy theories. Crazies are going to be crazies.

            This will put the legitimate legal questions to rest. That’s good news.

          • Llareggub

            Sure it will.

        • Frank Underboob

          An investigation is the only way to silence the critics.

          Oh, you sweet summer child. How many Benghazi ‘investigations’ have there been so far? Last I looked, I think there’d been at least three.

          • toomanyrappers

            We can’t fix crazy. ;)

            Frankly, the GOP is short-sighted. Conspiracy theories without mystery are boring. Three investigations takes all the **pizzazz!** out of it.

          • george

            Benghazi and the email server are two separate things.

          • Frank Underboob

            Not really, at least in propaganda terms.

          • george

            Yes really.

  • SK

    Hey, what happened to:

    Bill Clinton: You remembered the churches that were burnt when you were a child growing up in Arkansas.

  • OneDemin EOr

    Not a Hill fan. But I am a fan of supporting your partner. If Bill can’t do right by Hill, he needs to get off the trail and go chase sweet young things until his chest seizes up like an old Ford rear end.

  • timpundit

    He never was good with his temper. And now he has to watch his entire presidency re debated, welfare reform, the crime bill, DADT, DOMA…it’s gotta sting an ego that large. He’s using 1990s language to defend himself and we, The Left, have moved beyond that, more to the left, namely.

    And yes, I would love him to just say the words, Black Lives matter.

    • boll ocks

      Fuck the Ninties with a rusty crowbar. Except the music…

  • Karen Marie

    “Please send Bill Clinton to the Bahamas for ever.”

    Hear hear.

    • Cindyinencinitas

      I’m seeing some place in the Keys with a huge wrap-around porch and a dock where donors can tie off their yachts for the nights of debauchery.

      • r m reddicks

        I have little doubt that HW Bush will share his spot in Key Islamadora.

        • NoGoodnik

          Islamadora? ISLAM-adora? Who’s the Muslin now?

          • r m reddicks

            I’ve always liked the name of that key.

  • chascates

    Bill always feels the need to defend his mistakes whenever they’re pointed out to him and get in a huff doing so.
    And he’s not the type to go build houses for the poorz or supervise foreign elections.

    2016: the election that broke Democracy.

    • Dave T

      More like the election that exposed how broken our democracy already was.

      • Sakonyachen

        If I agreed anymore, people would think you were Scalia and I was Thomas.

        • Frank Underboob

          Only if you were leaking Santorum as well.

      • boll ocks

        This!!

    • NoGoodnik

      But he has done remarkable work through the foundation. The work on AIDS in Africa has been a game changer.

      • chascates

        You’re right, I had forgotten that.

        • NoGoodnik

          It’s one of the reasons that I often say that more politicians need to be corrupt like the Clinton’s are. Heck, if everyone sold influence through contributions to charitable good works, the world would be a much better place.

  • Paperless Tiger

    BLM is a loose cannon. I fully support their cause, and I fight for it myself, but when they turn on their friends, I can only conclude they are stupid.

    • joebags

      I’m sure they’d appreciate your input on whom they should consider their friend.

    • Frank Underboob

      You aren’t black, are you?

  • Elderlady

    And the choir says a big “Amen”.

  • Yr. Gma

    I blame the vegan thing.

  • Cindyinencinitas

    I would like her better if she had a bit of a tan. Sorry, Californian.

  • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

    bikini teenage strange

    Band name!

    • NoGoodnik

      That’s what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older, they stay the same age.

  • r m reddicks

    I’m now officially in the Rebecca camp. (So long as it doesn’t include the Hillz of beans.)

  • bluicebank

    WTF happened to Bubba? I thought he issued mea culpas on some of this shit a few years ago?

    NAFTA. Bill: Oops.
    Crime Thang: Whoa, them’s a lot of blacks in jail. My bad.
    Deregulation of Wall Street: Yeah, I might have made a miscalculation and didn’t carry the decimal point.

    Fucking backslider.

  • Scooby

    Well, at least he didn’t beat them up.

  • Iam Reading

    This is the Bubba who jerked his party so far to the right that much of the DNC looks like 1970s Republicans. Thanks, Bill.

    • ryp

      We’re you actually around in the 1970s?

      • cleos_mom

        No, but he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.

      • toomanyrappers

        Never mind that! Look at these!

        Shiny! And, something about being there! Why not? Shiny!

      • Frank Underboob

        I was, & I agree with the OP.

      • NoGoodnik

        I was too. Nixon was such a moderate in his domestic policies as was Ford. Although, Ford was so ineffective that it didn’t matter. Whip Inflation Now, anyone?

        • ryp

          Nixon wasn’t a moderate, he was a cynical pragmatist who would happily jettison his ideological beliefs for popular support, publicly supporting reform that he worked to undercut behind closed doors. Though I suppose that would fit some people’s definition of “moderate”.

          In the 1970s there were still moderate to liberal Republicans in office, and plenty of conservative and hawkish Dems as well, so there was room for ideological overlap, but guys like Bob Dole were the center of the Republican party at the time, far to the right of Bill Clinton’s triangulating third way politics.

          There is no argument that Bill pulled the party to the right in the 1990s, but it’s also moved back left since then, as has a large slice of the American public on most issues. There is legitimate criticism of the Clinton era from the progressive view, but dismissing the Clintons as Republicans from another era sounds as ignorant as when the right wing calls Jeb Bush a progressive.

          • NoGoodnik

            I guess it is how you evaluate a person’s politics. Do you pay more attention to rhetoric or to actions. If you pay attention to rhetoric, then you would believe Reagan to be fiscally responsible. If you pay attention to actions, then you would believe Reagan to be fiscally irresponsible. I prefer actions over rhetoric. Nixon championed many ideas that are seen as liberal by today’s standards, mandating private insurance to cover the populace, creating the EPA, detente with China. Although, Nixon had his more conservative side, too. His Southern strategy being one of the most glaring examples of what would be considered conservative today. Also, he was very big on law and order.

            There was a strong vibrant moderate Republican wing at that time, true.

            One of the issues that is coming out with the attack on and defense of Clinton’s welfare reform and crime bill is that values and interpretations change over time. What was considered conservative forty years ago can be seen as more liberal now as in the ACA or immigration reform. What is seen as more conservative now was seen as being at least somewhat liberal or moderate thirty years ago as in the crime bill.

            Of course, the big big lesson now is staying true to your values even if it means that you aren’t elected rather than being a calculating valueless pragmatist just to get elected (Drumpf) or a lying cheating turncoat who once elected goes back to their bad old ways (Lyin’ Ted).

          • ryp

            Agreed. It’s not just values and interpretations that change, but actual circumstances as well. Roosevelt cut deals with racist Southern Dems to keep the New Deal alive. He allowed the imprisonment of Americans based on their ethnic identity for expediency in the face of war. Late in his term, Carter became far more militarily hawkish as a reaction to increased Soviet military presence in the third world. The crime bill was in no small part a reaction to escalating rates of violent crime in the U.S. that seemed to be on a permanent upward trajectory.

            Sometimes people’s values include getting things done, even if it means unfortunate compromises. Sure, it can be a slippery slope, but as you say, actions mean more than words.

            I actually don’t think Trump is all that calculating. If he was he’d be cruising to the nomination with far less resistance, having convinced the elite that he knows how to play ball when it comes down to actual process, and Cruz is pretty transparent as to what an uncompromising egotistical douchebag he actually is.

          • NoGoodnik

            I think you’re right about both Drumpf and Lyin’ Ted.

            Democracy is predicated on compromise and respecting the minority.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    Eight years ago it was Bill that so pissed many of us off that we started giving Hope Obama a second look in the primary process. Please Bill, STFU and don’t do that again.

  • sigh . . .

    • Poe’s Law

      Excuse me while I open a new box of Depends

  • Tansy Geek

    I just realized what Bill can promote as his First Husband Good Cause. He should restrict himself to promoting healthy eating and exercise (Yoga is not an option here) for older people by making videos and hosting workshops. He could do a lot of good and it would keep him too busy to cause trouble.

    • NoGoodnik

      Really? I think he should promote BLM and try to make up for some of the mass incarceration that he had a hand in starting. That is if he really was the first black president.

      • Tansy Geek

        Whoever said that had to be sniffing glue. I don’t remember who said this but I agree that “Bill Clinton was our best Republican President.” Since Eisenhower anyway.

        • NoGoodnik

          Whoever said that Clinton is responsible for mass incarceration? Yes, I think that he is not solely responsible. There were a lot of states passing harsh mandatory sentencing laws and the private prison lobby spreading lots of cash around and writing contracts with guaranteed occupancy minimums like some kind of goddamn travel agency. And, Clinton was responding to a very violent and widespread crime wave while trying to fend off the law-and-order conservatives.

          However, Clinton also knows that his bill and policies were part of the mass incarceration problem and school to prison pipeline. He’s apologized for it, but he could put his prodigious fundraising, organizing, and policy skills to work to mitigate the effects of it now. It wouldn’t hurt him none.

          • Tansy Geek

            No. The first black president thing.

          • NoGoodnik

            I believe that is attributed to Maya Angelou.

      • Tansy Geek

        I just realized when I first read this, I thought BLM was referring to Bureau of Land Management.

        • NoGoodnik

          Ha ha. I’ve done that before! Long story, but it was trying to discuss the Bundy boys with a shrill shrieking shyster of a conservative troll. Why do we even bother?

  • ash310

    Bill was in Erie PA this morning campaigning for Hillary. The only crowd estimate I saw was that about 90 people showed up (they thought they might get 200 to 300. I have not seen any other numbers anywhere so can’t confirm that 90 is correct) and about a dozen people standing silently outside protesting his pro life views. And there you have it. Most of the anti Clinton comments that I saw on the media were from Trump supporters.

  • venezia59

    Ah the classic dick move of the narcissist. Go out to campaign for your wife and make it all about you. And I love Bill–don’t get me wrong. But please, make him stop.

  • Poe’s Law

    Actually a brilliant piece that touches all the bases;

    The 90s were different.

    Everyone was for it, including Sanders (except a few people)

    We’re sorry.

    Let’s change it.

    Don’t listen to Bill, he’s being a dick.

    • McHitler (formerly Nuke90210)

      Bernie Sanders was only in favor of it because the bill had other mostly-unrelated provisions in it, such as the Violence Against Women Act, which he fully supported. The 90’s weren’t different, the people were, and we can’t use the “product of the times” line to excuse erroneous bullshit like this.

      • zerosumgame0005

        ah, I see, so Bernie can have nuance and reasons, but Hillary is PURE EVIL HER EVERY WORD MUST BE SILENCED!. fuck you

        • McHitler (formerly Nuke90210)

          At the time Hillary supported the bill on all fronts, not just the good bits that helped people. Leave the strawman alone, he didn’t do anything to you.

          • zerosumgame0005

            cites needed

        • Poe’s Law

          Modern politics: My candidate is the second comming: yours is the antichrist.

          Thank you, Lee Atwater.

      • Poe’s Law

        I’ve been resisting this all day, but now I’m six sheets to the wind and have lost all sense:

        BO-RING

        No up vote for you.

  • I don’t get it. I never liked him, even hawkish Hitchens a through his routine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgSocr2DTic

    • SDGeoff

      We dearly miss Christopher. What a sad loss.

  • Gawd. STFU, Bill. Go away.

    I like Hillary despite Bill, not because of him. Not that Bill doesn’t have his moments, but for every hit, he’s got a whole lot of miss. And I don’t think he’s had a lot of good moments lately. He’s not helping.

  • SirKnows DevoidofPunk

    Nawwwww let Bill talk. Let Bill talk all the whitesplaining bs he wanna talk. Let him talk all the conscending words he wants…

    Hillary stays passing off her time as First lady as work experience and part of her resume, so nawww. Let her Bill aka “her job” keep talking for her.

    She want credit for everything they did in the WH together, as if she was an elected official so fine… Take credit. She championed all his legislation (or co-wrote it to hear her tell it), so have at it.

    But that means, all the BS that went down and policies that people disagreed with, that’s on you too Hillary.

    And when Bill comes out talking shit to blackfolks, that’s you, too, Hillary.

    There you go, Hillary. Enjoy your privilege.

  • so. bored. with this story. and everything else on the dem side.

    the media are desperately trying to make equivalencies. not going to happen.

    still, bill! STFU.

  • handyhippie65

    you should be an adviser to the clinton campaign. or at least as a bill wrangler. that was a well reasoned answer. too bad that kind of thing is unwelcome in politics.

  • boll ocks

    Bill, you’re better than this… Shut the fuck up.

  • malsperanza

    Bill Clinton never got over not being the First Black President anymore.

    Also, he is a tool.

  • freetofu

    Jesus Christ, no, not the saxophone.

    • SDGeoff

      At least it wasn’t bagpipes.

  • NoCountryForOldWomen

    Pill Bill! Time to start lacing his vegan breakfast with Abilify for Politicians. Seriously, I love you Bill but STFU.

    • cleos_mom

      Maybe the lack of animal protein affected his judgement.

  • CripesAmighty

    Gah! This is soooooo frustrating for those of us ‘of a certain age’ who remember when we didn’t have to root around in the couch cushions for laundry money; have a landlord to hide from, and took the bus because it was the ‘right thing to do’. It was amusing when the president was ‘naughty’; ‘New Jack Swing’ sounded great on the BMW Blaupunkt.

    Bill was the bomb, but it ain’t funny no more. We love ya, Bill, but please, for the love of God, shut up.

  • SDGeoff

    The two of them are what Republicans should have evolved to, if Republicans hadn’t already proved a theory of de-evolution. The Rockefeller gene is dominant in these two.

    • NoGoodnik

      Best thing I’ve read today

  • cleos_mom

    But does Bill know the proper way to eat pizza?

  • mary5920

    This is too much of a pile on for me. Yep, Bill’s ego got in the way but I like the way he defended Hillary. Don’t get how people think he’s looking bad, I think he looks better now, not so red faced & Bill-ious. It’s hard to study the past if you only view it from your own current perspective.
    Regarding the bill Bill signed, he did give some context I hadn’t heard recently. And I do remember those times and all the states and their tough on crime laws and ballot measures, passed here in Oregon too. There never should have been 3 strikes laws, excessive jail time for minor offenses, and racism in our justice system and BLM folks are righteous to point it out, but I don’t get yelling through entire rallies as an effective way to change things.

  • Mavenmaven

    This is by far the best policy article I’ve read in a long time. I hope Huma shows it to Hillary for her own good.

  • Incoming Ham

    Shhh Bill, it’s time to step away from the mic and get yourself some comfort food. http://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2015/04/14/4a5e78f2-cce6-4038-b217-d730a117020b/ut0038894.jpg

  • george

    “Sanders had supported the ban since 1988. The conference committee version included not only the assault weapons ban but also the Violence Against Women Act provisions. Sanders supported these efforts to protect women.” It would be nice to add that in there. It wasn’t Bernie calling black children super predators and saying it doesn’t matter how they got that way.

    • Takoma DC

      Yeah well……

      It’s important imo to remind people. Thanks.

    • uniquename72

      Yeah, the entire screed about Bernie being psychic early in this article can be boiled down to a much simpler explanation: Sanders actually has deeply held beliefs that don’t all shift with the political winds.

      I know this is a hard pill to swallow for HRC supporters, because they have to realize that they have no idea where Clinton actually stands on a host of issues. Does she support the trade agreement that she helped write and is now against? Does she actually think gay marriage is okay this year? Has she actually learned something from her Iraq War vote? (That last is a trick question; if she’d learned anything she wouldn’t have tried so hard to make such a mess in Libya as SoS.)

      • zerosumgame0005

        well, no not really, Bernie has “evolved” on issues as well. and seeing that he would have to pretty dammed stupid not to, your worship of him only diminishes him, and you

    • lithium451

      And it wasn’t Clinton “calling black children super predators” either.

      • tegrat

        who was she referring to? your kid’s best friend Timmy?

        • zerosumgame0005

          hey, just because YOU think that way, do not project it on others!

        • SammyDEEEEEE

          I think they’re saying that Hillary didn’t coin the term. A sociologist did. That he (10 years later) sort of walked that comment back doesn’t mean that it never existed before Hillary used his research and his term in her speech.

    • McHitler (formerly Nuke90210)

      Glad there are more people recognizing this in here, eh.

  • Jayman

    I’m with Bill on this one. Lock up all the gang members, or better yet, shoot them. If they’re minors we figure out a program for them, otherwise call in the terminator and clean up the neighborhoods.

    • chimpevil

      Cool. As long as we do this to all the corporate criminals,Wall Street bankers, oil and coal barons, chemical companies, big pharma, weapons dealers, agribusinesses et al, who destroy the lives of millions of people and despoil this planet and the all races and species therein, then I’m down with locking up and shooting people who are fucking victims of this corrupt system just because their murder is more visible. And by the way, fuck you and off.

      • Takoma DC

        Bravo!

    • zerosumgame0005

      you do realize this whole thing refers to a phase that Hillary DID NOT coin, that even Bernie referred to from back in the 90’s don’t you? oh, wait, your a troll so of course you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

  • lithium451

    He does much better when the target is Republicans. Otherwise he needs to have a script and stay on it 100%.

  • When a group of non-BLMers pretends to be BLMers AND then tells Bill, Re: his wife, to his face, “fuck that bitch” – well, let’s just say I can understand his anger.

    • tegrat

      yes, they’re just pretending to be black, and of course Bill recognized that right off. and their anger is of course completely unjustified, while his is. got it

      • zerosumgame0005

        when did Jane say they were “fake black”? oh, that’s right she didn’t, YOU did while you were lying. typical Drumpf-bot faking it is a liberal.

  • Different handle

    Unintended Consequences

  • tegrat

    Sanders spoke on the floor about the unintended consequences of this bill, because he is a witch with prescient powers. This was an “omnibus” bill that included the Violence Against Women Act, which he fully supported, and that’s why the bill got his vote, not because it was a great bill, which he recognized. Hillary lobbied for the bill in its entirety, AFAICT. Not to put too fine a point on it, but my vote for the most despicable statement coming from a so-called progressive in this campaign (and the signer of that bill) is “You know where else black lives matter? Africa!”. Bill Clinton can go fuck himself and the horse he rode in on.

    • McHitler (formerly Nuke90210)

      Yeah I find it kind of odd that Wonkette left that part of Sanders’ support for the bill out. Weird, huh?!

  • zerosumgame0005
    • McHitler (formerly Nuke90210)

      “Bernie Sanders doesn’t have colored staff, therefore he didn’t fight for Civil Rights issues.”

      What?

      • zerosumgame0005

        well, he didn’t really, he never marched with MLK and it looks like he got busted, once, then not much at all since, oh and Bruce Rappaort and his widow would love if you guys would stop saying it’s Bernie in photos when it is really him

  • Redgyal

    So, is this the right time to say that I voted for Ross Perot?

    • kev

      that day will never come. that guy was a loon. but your day will come’ WAY before Ralph-fucking-Nader’s voters will get to rear their heads in polite society, (which obviously is not a reference to this snark mob.) you should go to bed every night ripping at your eyes thinking: ‘i caused george w. bush, richard cheney, donald rumsfeld…and all that they wrought!’ we must make a solemn pact: whether hillary or bernie wins the nomination, we will back them and turn out to vote.

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