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Someone has some splainin' to do
Someone has some splainin’ to do

Uh oh and oh no and tsk-tsk. It seems the Bernie Sanders Presidential Campaign For Socialist Czar of America was all up inside Hillary Clinton’s home-brewed voter database over at the Democratic National Committee, stealing her carefully curated and very private Cats4Hillz information. Wait, what?! He would never do such a thing! But apparently his staffers would:

Sanders staffers exploited a temporary glitch in the DNC’s voter database to save lists created by Hillary Clinton’s campaign, according to an audit of the breach obtained by Bloomberg.

The Democratic National Committee noticed the Sanders campaign ogling at Clinton’s voter drawers this week and promptly ban-hammered him from using the database at all, even to access his own campaign info. Which makes it a little bit hard for his team to call you at home during your dinner and ask if you are still Feeling The Bern. And the Sanders campaign is NOT VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT!

In response, Sanders’ team was banned from accessing all of the DNC’s data as well as its own data, a move that is “taking our campaign hostage,” campaign manager Jeff Weaver said at a press conference outside Sanders’s Capitol Hill campaign office.

The Sanders campaign says that of course it never cheated and sneaked a peek at Clinton’s super secret sauce, just because the firewall happened to not be working and gosh, that glorious Clinton data was sitting right there, just begging to be stoled. But, um, well:

The Sanders team’s explanation of the incident has gradually changed since it was first confirmed late Thursday, initially saying that only a single “low-level” staffer accessed the Clinton data and that none of it was saved.

But the database logs created by NGP VAN show that four accounts associated with the Sanders team took advantage of the Wednesday morning breach. Staffers conducted searches that would be especially advantageous to the campaign, including lists of its likeliest supporters in 10 early voting states, including Iowa and New Hampshire.

But it’s not as if Team Sanders was going to use any of that information! Nope, they were simply trying to help the DNC find the real killer, er, uh, glitch in the security system. And if the DNC does not immediately restore the Sanders campaign’s access to the database of Democrats throughout U.S. America, Bernie Sanders will SEE YOU IN COURT!

Bernie Sanders’ campaign on Friday threatened to take the Democratic National Committee to federal court if the party organization doesn’t restore the campaign’s access to a crucial voter database.

DNC Chairlady Debbie Wasserman Schultz sees it a tad differently, though:

She said “multiple staffers” from the Sanders campaign downloaded information that they did not have the right to collect.

“They not only viewed it, but they exported it and they downloaded it,” Wasserman Schultz told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “We don’t know the depth of what they actually viewed and downloaded. We have to make sure that they did not manipulate the information.”

She added, “That is just like if you walked into someone’s home when the door was unlocked and took things that don’t belong to you in order to use them for your own benefit. That’s inappropriate. Unacceptable.”

Is that wrong? That seems kind of wrong. But the Sanders campaign has only admitted that mistakes were made by this one guy who’s already been good and fired, Josh Uretsky (sucks to be you, Josh), so it’s time to let bygones be bygones and let Bernie Sanders have his access back, OR ELSE.

Far be it from us to ever criticize the strategies of the Sanders campaign, but stealing Clinton’s voter information because it was just so easy to do, and then acting like it was for some greater good because come ON, it’s Bernie Sanders, after all — while still firing a guy for doing a naughty thing the Sanders campaign at the same time maintains was not really naughty, but kind of was, but for the greater good — seems, shall we say, problematic.

While we tend to err on the side of assuming that Wasserman Schultz is generally the worst, for a Democrat, we also doubt she or anyone else at the DNC held a gun to Bernie Sanders staffers’ heads and force them to download all that sweet sweet Clinton stuff. Just a guess.

The final Democratic primary debate of 2015, which everyone was planning to forget to DVR on Saturday night because borrrrrrring, might not be so boring after all. Wouldn’t it be so rain-on-your-wedding-day ironic if it turns out that Sanders, not Clinton, crashed and burned because of naughty emaily things?

This soap opera is still developing, but it’s looking unlikely that Bernie Sanders will be able to free college his way out of this one. Sad burned face.

[Bloomberg / CNN]

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  • Joe Beese

    Bitch set him up!

  • CalvinianChoice

    If Hillary had done this it would be seen as part of a “pattern”. And probably related to the murder of Vince Foster.

    • Anna Elizabeth

      Hillz has killed more men than Cecil B. Demille.

      • whatwhomever

        hundreds of thousands, according to the unimpeachable font of factual information, Donald Trump.

      • SpideySenser

        And Quentin Tarantino combined!

    • whatwhomever

      The NY Times would have a whole series of articles and MoDo editorials about it.

      • FlownOver

        Probably will anyway.

    • Joe Beese

      Yeah, I have to admit that if the parties were reversed, I’d be hollering myself purple about this.

      The best spin I can put on this is that Camp Bernie, having been fucked over by the DNC with the debate schedule, couldn’t resist fighting back a little.

      • TheOtherHeadlessThompsonGunner

        I read that as “panties reversed.”

        Make of that what you will. I know I’m going to.

    • Beaumarchais?

      Hmm, maybe she left the firewall open on purpose…

      • Gleem-McShinez

        VINCE FOSTER’S GHOST HAUNTS THE FIREWALL!!

        • chicken thief

          Where was Sid Blumenthal and what did he know and when did he know it?!!!

          • JH Marx

            I want to know about Humma.

          • chicken thief

            EZ. Scissoring Hillz. But the closest we’ll get to Huma is pix of Anthony’s peen that entered her a time or two. Mebbe.

  • Pinkham’s Law

    oopsie!

  • MsAnthropesMr

    Why is it always a choice between the scummy, and less scummy?

  • MsAnthropesMr

    Perhaps Bernie should ask forgiveness from Jesus. It seems to work on the Republican side.

    • Bill Slider

      His only mistake was his asking Jesus for forgiveness in Hebrew.

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        Instead of the original Aramaic

  • BadKitty904

    BERNGHAZI!!1!

    • BeliTsari

      I keep upfisting, but don’t nothing work? Neatly put!

      • BadKitty904

        I mean, it was just sitting there, maaan…

        • BeliTsari

          Bet ya, it was a set-up!!!

    • OldWhiteLies

      BERNIE LIED, PEOPLE … wait, nobody died.

      Fuck that noise. Wake me up when they get to the cage match phase.

    • BearGHAZI

      you deserve to upfist yourself

      • BadKitty904

        Thank you? I think?

    • Jay Vaughn

      Sandgate.

      • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

        Datagate

        • Jay Vaughn

          Data is bit the opposite of water. Therefore Sandgate

  • Brewerofbeers

    So I guess that is it for Wonkette’s good San Bernadino policy on only reporting what is validated and known, rather than rumor?

    • FauxAntocles

      Wasserman Schultz’s information should be first-hand…

      • Brewerofbeers

        Technically, so should that of the Sanders campaign. Right now it is he-said, she-said and each one’s story has changed a couple of times.

        I also really like this: “They not only viewed it, but they exported it and they downloaded it,” Wasserman Schultz told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “We don’t know the depth of what they actually viewed and downloaded. We have to make sure that they did not manipulate the information.”

        They downloaded and exported it. I mean, we don’t actually know that, but they did it!

        • FauxAntocles

          Database logs are not always as detailed as we might like.

        • MissNomer

          If you don’t trust either DWS or BS, there’s always the audit logs. “The logs show that the Vermont senator’s team created at least 24 lists during the 40-minute breach, which started at 10:40 a.m., and saved those lists to their personal folders. The Sanders searches included New Hampshire lists related to likely voters, “HFA Turnout 60-100” and “HFA Support 50-100,” that were conducted and saved by Uretsky. Drapkin’s account searched for and saved lists including less likely Clinton voters, “HFA Support <30" in Iowa, and "HFA Turnout 30-70"' in New Hampshire."

          • TheOtherHeadlessThompsonGunner

            Uh oh.

            That’s pretty goddamn bad.

  • DerrickWildcat

    I am on the, “Do Not Call” and, “Do Not Hack” list.

    • JH Marx

      How’s that goin fer U

  • weejee

    The Bern staffers responsible were plants from Shkreli tehRump.

  • Randy Riddle

    This is all Hillz fault for leaving that luscious, attractive data out there for everyone to see.

    • Flashman

      She was asking for it.

      • whatwhomever

        The data should’ve dressed more modestly. Perhaps kept a virtual aspirin between its digital legs.

  • Slithytoves

    This naughtiness is forgivable after a short time-out. But Jesus, Berners blaming Hillz for their own mistake isn’t very growed up.

    • weejee

      Not at all. They shoulda blamed Ben Carson.

    • BadKitty904

      He should’ve blamed Obama.

    • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

      The tin-foil level anger and paranoia is a little concerning. However, I think the people saying they will vote for Trump over HRC now are people who already drank the koolaid anyway.

      • bobbert

        I’m a little late to this foofaraw, but if there are (alleged) Bernie supporters saying that they will now vote for Drump over Hillz, I’m guessing they are bullshit.

        • HogeyeGrex

          Isn’t that like the whole PUMA foofaraw in ’08? Yeah, that really tanked the election for Obama.

        • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

          Ya probably but I’ve seen it on a few forums. And on Facebook. Small sample size tho.

  • Flashman

    If Kim Jong Il and Pol Pot are on that list, Bernie and Hillz are both in trouble.

    • weejee

      Long shot.

      Wait! What?

  • Relativicus

    The reason dem Dems have such a hard time controlling the gun control discussion is because they insist on keeping their own side-arm handy for periodically shooting themselves in their own feet.

  • MsAnthropesMr

    So, I wonder if you can be a professional scapegoat – you could parlay this into a career – going from campaign to campaign, and anytime something untoward happens, you can be the person to blame, and move on.

    • FauxAntocles

      As long as the severance package is good…

      • Thepeoplevs.

        I should have asked for more than a salt lick

    • BadKitty904

      Kinda like the old sin-eaters? Could be you’ve just jump-started a whole, new industry, you jerb!-creator, you!

    • sillybill

      “…anytime something untoward happens, you can be the person to blame, and move on.”
      most people use their spouse for that.

      • HogeyeGrex

        “Nah. That was the dog. Peeyew.”

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Like Mark Penn, but with accountability, you mean?

  • Dudleydidwrong

    Burn Uretsky in vote-heated oil! Why would any person working for one of the good guys give more damn ammunition to the Rethugs, or the crowd that makes George Wallace’s “not a dime’s worth of difference between” (the parties/politicians) ring true? The cynic today has no chance of keeping up.

  • Thepeoplevs.

    I hope Hills left a fake list of names like I.P. Freely and Seymore Butz.
    Kinda like leaving a a gun with a blocked barrel out in the open for a thief to steal…

    • BadKitty904

      The Sanders campaign is still trying to determine if the Clinton campaign has Prince Albert in a can.

    • Michael Smith

      Those were actually the names George W. Bush wrote down when his dad made him sit still and write a list of all the possible donors he had called that afternoon.

    • SterWonk

      My father knew a urologist named Winkle (who had business cards with “If you can’t tinkle, call Winkle” on them), and a proctologist named Butts.

      Hand to God!

      • kaw143

        My all-time favorite was a gynecologist named (wait for it) Dr. Beavers. He was very difficult to page, as we had to turn off the microphone quickly so we could giggle.

        • HogeyeGrex

      • Hutch

        My grandmother knew sisters named Ima and Ura Hogg.

        True story!

      • Thepeoplevs.

        I went to school with Justin Choir… Some parents really hate their kidz

      • arglebargle

      • SpideySenser

        Had a dentist named Dr. Akers. Not kidding. My first appointment was at two thirty.

      • Ricky Gay

        Knew a dentist by the name of Bledsoe.

        • Vienna Woods

          We had a Dr Butcher where I grew up.

      • lroom

        An old friend of mine is named Peter Teeter.

      • gedjcj

        I’m sure it’s pronounced “Dee Ray” but they chose to use small caps on their sign, so all I see when i drive by is “DIRE DENTISTRY”.

        And of course we have another local dentist, Dr Payne.

    • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

      I really wish we could have fun with the databases like this, but it’s really very very boring.

    • bobbert

      There was a pulmonologist in San Jose named Dr. Postumous. True story.

  • Bill Slider

    So, a truly low level Bernie staffer took one for the team. On the plus side, Bernie’s numbers, like Trump’s, are likely increasing for being just like you and me. Do exposure dollars need to be reported to the FEC?

    • MissNomer

      Low level staffer? Try National Data Director.

  • Hutch

    Aha! So this explains the asking-for-money letter I got from Bernie today.

  • Fitzgerald Chesterfield

    Wasserman-Schultz, in other words: A total and complete shutdown of any Sanders staff from entering the database, until leaders can figure out what’s going on.

    • Relativicus

      Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, the human facedesk.

  • BadKitty904

    On the “plus” side, this sort of political douchery may well attract some “moderate” Republican votes…

    • jviscont1

      Nixonian never goes out of style to some nostalgic voters.

  • AntiDerpomeme

    Yeikes. I do so love Bern and I really hope he knew nothing about this, but this is pretty bad.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Bern fired his chief data guy over this. If indeed the Bern guys did download files and save them offline, then they’re unethical twits who deserve to be tossed. OTOH, the fact they were able to do this indicates someone at the DNC fucked up. So there’s plenty of blame to go around.

      Going on the Leslie show and blathering about it, though, is just fucking stupid. That’s our DWS.

      • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

        Looking forward to CP’s take on this…

      • bobbert

        On the one hand, ridonkulous lapse of data security. On the other hand, Jesus Fuck guys, we’re supposed to be roughly on the same side.

        On the gripping hand, this is some sad shit.

  • Why in the world would you ever have a shared server with your political opponent that held crucial information in the first place?

    • laineypc

      It would probably be better if she kept the data on her own server.

      • bobbert

        Hey, there’s an idea. Run it past the Republicans.

    • AntiDerpomeme

      It’s a series of tubes, who can explain it?!

    • FauxAntocles

      One political party will share all its info with all its candidates – that’s why you get begging emails from Liz when you chip in for Al.

      • Zippy

        Basically they have an overall shared list and then firewalled extra parts for each candidate

    • JaaaaaCeeeee

      Because the Hillary For 2008 CTO owns the monopoly that can’t shoot its data straight.

  • Brewerofbeers

    “”They not only viewed it, but they exported it and they downloaded it,” Wasserman Schultz told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “We don’t know the depth of what they actually viewed and downloaded. We have to make sure that they did not manipulate the information.””

    I am not saying it is aliens, but its aliens.

    Or, We don’t know that they did anything with it, but they totally did something with it.

    • Hutch

      Manipulated the information?!? Is Wasserman Schultz implying that Bernie’s staff pulled a Chris Christie with the data? As in “time for some database problems for Hilary?”

      • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

        They could go and change people’s preferences so Hillary people don’t follow up with them. It’d be petty mischief, but annoying as hell.

  • DerrickWildcat

    Wasserman Schultz, sounds a little Germany.
    You know how they are.

    • She knows nothink! Nothink!

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Not a DWS fan, personally, but you should probably be aware that she’s Jewish.

      • bobbert

        You should never take Derrick literally.

  • lucidamente

    This data wouldn’t happen to contain registered Democrats’ browser histories, would it? Just asking for a friend.

    • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

      If you’re asking for real, it’s literally names/addresses/history of contact from campaign. It sounds like all this super secret stuff but what’s useful is knowing who is already committed to HRC or MOM, who has Bernie as #2 choice, so they can cut through a lot of time spent canvassing/calling. For a smaller campaign, it would be beneficial but these are not like, our transcripts or whatever.

  • Villago Delenda Est

    DWS is a fucking idiot. This plays into the MSM’s beloved “Democrats in Disarray” narrative.

    Hilz, do the right thing. Throw the Sugar Whore under the bus.

  • jviscont1

    extra points if the Bern intern replaced the Clinton data with the Ashley Madison list.

  • Joe Beese

    Now the play for D-Wass is to punish the Sanders campaign as brutally as she can without antagonizing his voters into staying home after her preferred candidate is nominated.

    • sillybill

      oh we won’t stay home. we just might have to move the party to the D national convention. where is that this year?

    • DWS isn’t that slick. She’s as blatant as the day is long.

      It won’t work.
      ~

  • BearGHAZI

    If Bernie’s Nixon, Judith Miller will play both Woodward and Bernstein, who’s Deep Throat???

    • BadKitty904

      Lindsey Graham.

      • bobbert

        Way to go for the easy score.

        • BadKitty904

          Well, it seemed pretty obvious to me

  • DerrickWildcat

    False Flag!
    Clinton engineered the whole thing!

    • laineypc

      Hillary: “See, see! This. This is why I had to have my own server! God damn I wish I hadn’t let that go.”

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Interestingly enough, some of the more rabid Bernie supporters are saying this. Which is why DWS needs to be given the heave-ho for jumping to fucking conclusions for short term gain at the expense of long term party unity.

      • Zippy

        Eggzactly- love her or hate her, Hillz is way too smart to be involved with this shitstorm. DWS is the one responsible for this clusterfuck

      • Iam Reading

        That and a thousand other reasons. Bitch let’s frank Luntz run circles around her with cynically clever words. Pathetic

      • MissNomer

        Wait, DWS needs to go because rabid Berners are blaming this on Hillary? That does not compute.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          No, but DWS is doing a very good job of playing right into one of the MSM’s favorite narratives, “Democrats in Disarray”. The paranoia of some Bern backers is irrelevant to that criticism.

          • bobbert

            I know you don’t like DWS. I am not much of a fan either.

            Who is her replacement?

    • angryspittle

      Well W-S sure as hell had her fingers in this.

  • greyXstar

    So now the campaign isn’t even allowed to look at their own info, because that totally makes sense.

    It wasn’t good that this happened and I’m really disappointed that anyone in Bernie’s campaign did it. But at this point, DWS should just go and crown Hillz warrior queen. You know she wants to.

  • WiscoJoe

    I like your Bernie. I do not like your Bernie supporters. Your Bernie supporters are so unlike your Bernie.

  • crunchyknee

    Debbie Wasserman Schultz is the worst democrat ever. Hillz should treat this topic as Bernie did with her emails.

    • Joe Beese

      Hillary, let us say, is not known for overlooking a slight.

      • timpundit

        Which would do her a great deal of good is she got Wasserman to lay off. She has an opportunity here, let’s see if she can do it.

        • Zippy

          She’s got to, for the sake of the alienated Bernie voters she’s going to need later. And she has been distancing herself from DWS, probably because she recognize that debbie is a liability

    • BadKitty904

      Here’s hoping. Why hand the Repugs a gift?

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Precisely. Don’t commit unforced errors.

        Fucking idiots.

        • BadKitty904

          Unfortunately, given the Dems almost-supernatural ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory…

          • Villago Delenda Est

            Yeah, I know. My forehead has splinters in it from banging it against my desk.

          • BadKitty904

          • Hutch

    • angryspittle

      Yep. She worked for the election of Cubano Republicans over her own party’s candidates in Florida. How she ever became head of the DNC after that traitorous action to her own party just astounded me.

    • Zippy

      She just about has to- and then that will haunt her later. Thanks Debbie…

    • Iam Reading

      DWS is proof of the DNCs penchant for self destruction.

  • Esteban Rey

    Oh, well fuck Wonkette then. Bye.

    • I love the smell of being better off for someone leaving in the morning.

    • timpundit

      Well sorry to lose you, but Wonkette is no one’s bitch. Not Hill’s and not Bernie’s.

  • Callyson

    Tomorrow night’s debate might be interesting enough to watch after all…

    • Joe Beese

      The news just came out. As a penalty for the Sanders campaign, D-Wass cancelled the debate.

      • BadKitty904

        Perhaps it’s just me, but wouldn’t the common-sense reaction be to find out what actually happened, THEN institute any needed penalties?

      • Callyson

        For a moment there, I thought you were serious. Love her or hate her, DWS knows how to play hardball…

        (ETA: if this is true, Google News doesn’t know it. Link?)

        • She plays hardball with people who want Democratic policies.
          ~

        • Joe Beese

          That you couldn’t be immediately certain whether I was joking or not is the point I was trying to make about D-Wass.

          • bobbert

            Really, anybody can say shit.

  • DerrickWildcat

    I blame the LIEbral media. I don’t believe anything they say.

  • calmly

    I always assumed the Bernie Sanders campaign had the technology skills of that drinking bird what almost blew the Springfield power plant, so I’m actually a little bit impressed. Of course these idiots didn’t seem to realize that secured databases which require a unique identifying username and password can track you within that database, so maybe not.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      You’d think they’d kinda realize that databases like these keep records. Hell, MMOs keep records like this just in case some player finds an exploit and uses it to cheat in combat or cheat with trade windows.

    • JaaaaaCeeeee

      The idiot who got fired from the Sanders campaign said that they not only knew that their access was being logged, but were bug documenting with that in mind because they hadn’t gotten anywhere when they reported in October. He deserved to get fired, but your assumption might not be good.

      • calmly

        I read about the bug documenting excuse, but missed the mention of a previously reported issue in October.

        Fucking IT, man. They probably just turned it off and on again, and left it at that.

        • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

          Still just screenshot it or something. Don’t DOWNLOAD it. That’s insane. It was a really, really dumb mistake that could cripple the campaign. Amateur hour.

  • timpundit

    Yeah, Bernie staffers, you done did wrong. Fess up and get on with campaigning. No one will even remember this in a couple months if you all don’t go ape shit over it.

    • JaaaaaCeeeee

      They did. But they can’t. And because they have been shut out like refugees, it’s inciting the crazies with news media’s help.

  • Spotts1701

    “It’s like if somebody leaves the front door open and you left a note inside the front door saying ‘you left the door open,” and then maybe you would check the side door to make sure that door was closed,”

    That’s the excuse Sanders’ former data director used. Really.

    Usually, if I see a front door open and no one within view, I call the police just in case there’s a burglar inside. But that’s just me.

  • Callyson

    Josh Uretsky, Sanders’ national data director who was fired Thursday by the campaign for accessing the database…said he and his team downloaded only phone numbers but did so to alert the DNC and NGP VAN that the Sanders campaign was aware the campaigns’ voter info in the DNC database wasn’t being properly protected.

    “We knew that what we were doing was being recorded,” he told CNN. “We didn’t try to be sneaky at all. They can argue that we shouldn’t have done it but we did not in any way try to deceive them. We created the records of it having been done and we did not make any attempt to use it for strategic purposes.”

    You thought that line was going to fly? I’d say the firing was justified on that basis alone, dude…

    • Spotts1701

      It really sounds like the defense I hear when an employee is caught misusing their computer during work time – “I knew it was being monitored. I was just testing to see if the security settings were working.”

    • Villago Delenda Est

      It sounds reasonable, but when you think it through, it just seems too reasonable.

    • Zippy

      Yeah, he blew it and deserves to pay the price

    • marxalot

      The way you alert admins to a security flaw isn’t by exploiting it. It’s by filing a ticket, and then calling the one IT guy whose phone number you have until he answers.

      • Amy!

        Sure. But the IT provider in this case appears to answer to the DNC, not the campaign, and apparently wears clownshoes. There was at least one earlier, similar fault (some stories report several), and responses from the campaign’s concerns were (reading somewhat between the lines) between “unresponsive” and “surly.”

        So some cowboys in the Sanders campaign decided to vigilante it, to prove something. *sigh* Stupid.

        And the DNC reaction is about as bad as possible, and now the Sanders campaign is suing for $600,000 a day because they’re being deprived not only of their contracted information and hosted services, but of their own information, hosted by the same service. Granted, if the DNC’s chosen provider is too fucking incompetent to keep the rival campaigns out of one another’s data, then the only way to enforce “security” against a campaign that exposed your incompetence is to lock them out altogether. But it’s hard to imagine a judge trained in contract law doing anything other than slapping the idiots with restraining orders, and potentially fines, and everything just escalates from there.

        First fault: core incompetence in the IT team hired by DNC. Second fault: Sanders campaign operating out of bounds when earlier reports of problems drew no (apparent) response. Third and crowning fault: DNC lockout of second-faulters, with no process and no face-saving opportunity. If DWS’s direction of the DNC contributes to a RWNJ POTUS in 2016, I’ll be POd.

    • chicken thief

      Snowdon’s cousin, mebbe?

  • arglebargle

    Now this is what Trump would call Leadership!!!

    • Jay Vaughn

      Bernie is just yelling a different type of populism, just as legit of a candidate though.

  • crunchyknee

    I think that if I ever run a political campaign there will be no hiring of low level staffers. Only medium level staffers and up need apply.

  • You’re taking Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s side on this, Kaili??

    Great FSM! She was a corrupt, two-faced whore as a co-chair of the DCCC’s Red-to-Blue program.

    She refused to back Democratic challengers to 3 GOP congresscritters. Why? Because they, like DWS, were owned by Florida’s sugar barons, the Diaz-Balart brothers.

    And she’s just as much a corrupt hack now, and was a terrible choice for DNC chair. Time for her ass to get canned.

    https://twitter.com/IFThunder/status/677897121215979520
    ~

    • Mr Corrections

      She’s terrible, but the actions of the Sanders team were definitely not her fault. They are adults and responsible for their own actions.

      • JaaaaaCeeeee

        The question is if the DNC is responsibly blocking the Sanders campaign from accessing its own voter data for Iowa GOTV.

        DWS lied (according to the Hawaii co-chair) about who decided that the DNC would reduce the number of debates, schedule them when no one will watch, and schedule most too late, after the Clinton campaign lobbied privately for fewer debates. No word on who’s decision it was to reduce the number of democratic debates with the first DNC exclusivity deal.

        I just don’t see why it is necessary to block the Sanders campaign from its own data for IOWA gotv.

        • artem1s

          because my name is now part of the Sanders ‘campaign’ list. Which I did not ask to be put on and have been wondering how they hell they got my email. I assumed it was ActBlue or something, but now I know how they got it and I want the records purged before they get access again.

          • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

            Well — being on the Sanders email list isn’t necessarily the same as being in the DNC voter database. At least on the Hillz caucus side, we get numbers/addresses from VAN, but email listservs are a totally separate thing. I have no idea how Bernie’s works but you should ask your local organizer. And the next time someone calls, you can ask them to see if your email is in the database and have them remove it.

          • JaaaaaCeeeee

            I don’t get how did Wednesday’s Sanders’ campaign staffer idiot(s), looking at breached data for 2 hours Wednesday, put you into the Sanders’ “campaign” list. That’s bad, but I am not sure it’s connected.

          • artem1s

            sure, it’s ridiculous, It’s ridiculous to make this the fault of the DNC or DWS too. They admitted they had been accessing the lists since October and they actually did download proprietary info. I doubt my info was part of it. But someone’s info was. And there is big money in selling donor lists. Isn’t the DNC obligated to retrieve that info and verify what exactly was stolen and make sure the staffer doesn’t have that info anymore?

        • Mr Corrections

          Again, she’s terrible. So what?

    • timpundit

      One thing Wonkette LURVES is when woman people don’t like are called “whores”. Good job.

  • Why do people never learn? Lying about what you do always gets you in more trouble that what you actually do. We see so many examples, and yet . . .

  • Zippy

    Wonket has buried the lede on this story- Wasserman Schultz is generally the worst. This whole fucking mess is her fault. She has once again shown her utter incompetence by likely hiring some useless IT firm for some political connection that likely benefited her personally. They screwed the pooch and left the front door open to the listserv and Bernie’s peeps waltzed right in and helped themselves. The fact that their figleaf explanation of prior problems and attempts to point them out holds any water is a testament to her incompetence- that shit should have been fixed ASAP. Of course Sander’s campaign took advantage- duh! So would Hillary’s (assuming they in fact haven’t), or O’Malley’s or anyone else’s. That’s not to make excuses or rationalize away the fact that Sander’s campaign was wrong to do so, only to point out that he’s no different from any politician in that regard- only A Idiot wouldn’t take advantage if someone was stupid enough to leave the front door wide open.

    The real issue is why did this even happen? Worse yet, once it did, why is it being handled so poorly? This kind of thing should be addressed as discreetly as possible, regardless which pol does what, because it will hurt ALL OF THEM KATIE in the long run. This is now prime material for the GOP: Dems in disarray, intra party infighting and feces flinging between the Hillbots and the Bernbots and weapons grade one liners for the general election. What? Trust the Dems with national security? They can’t even protect their own mailing lists. It’ll either be Bernie the cheater in those GE commercials or The Clinton Machine™ once again playing dirty politics. It makes the whole party look bad.

    And yet, that idiot hack DWS couldn’t wait to get her face plastered all over TeeVee once again, all to play gotcha at Bernie for her BFF Hillz. Now Sanders has to backpedal and deal with the distraction (yes, his campaign team should have thought of that before pressing “enter”), Hillary has to face the backlash from the Bernbots who will be convinced that she personally orchestrated this, and the entire party gets to deal with a “cleanup on aisle three” moment instead of spending that time getting their message out. Everybody loses, except DWS who gets more unearned facetime on the cable networks, so she can advance her plans to take Rubio’s seat- which is the only thing she has ever given a fuck about since becoming the supposed head of the DNC.

    BTW, did you know that there’s a Dem debate tomorrow night? Neither did I, because instead of actually doing something intelligent like promoting it (seriously, who schedules a debate for the Saturday night before Christmas, the busiest shopping night of the year?), DWS has once again thrown everything into disarray for her own selfish reasons.

    • I agree Zippy. Sargeant Schultz would do a better job leading the DNC than Wasserman-Schultz

    • I knew, but only because I’ve done some volunteering this week. I suspect the Democratic establishment doesn’t think its in their interests to have anybody watch the debates.

      I won’t bother articulating my personal speculations as to why “they” think that, but however you look at it, it indicates a lack of faith in the democratic process.

      Which, I dunno; given Trump and Cruz doing so well, maybe they have a point. It’s still dispiriting to see.

      https://youtu.be/kWdfRRtAs3o

      • arealbaby

        Yeah, I keep seeing this thing about the shitty debate schedule somehow being a conspiracy to help Hillary. What?? How could keeping her off TV help her?? People can’t stand her. She’s like your 3rd grade teacher and your friend’s mom yelling at you about stuff, right? Isn’t that what Lush Limpballs says? So I don’t get that. But I dunno, from my facebook feed it seems like the sun rising in the east is a conspiracy by DWS to get Hillary elected. Poor Bernie. I really like the guy, but his friends scare the shit outta me.

        • Michael Albright

          She gets plenty of face time being as likeable as she can. Putting her next to Bernie gives him the chance to challenge her policy positions that the DNC knows voters don’t like so much.

        • Zippy

          It’s not wise. HELL, Hilary herself wasn’t particularly enthused about the arrangements. This is all on DWS, who is trying way too hard to curry favor for her own ambitious reasons. Regardless which cap you’re in, this debate schedule is dumb- they’re leaving previous hours of free PR and messaging on the table.

          • arealbaby

            Well yes, that. I guess I just don’t see how everything is a gift to Hillary. It all seems like a massive clusterfuck. I am not a Hillary supporter, but I am apparently not enough of a Bernie supporter to think that DWS is anything more than hugely incompetent. But! I am also a democrat, so I can admit when I’m wrong. Maybe she really does have it out for the Bern. That would be dumb and counterproductive.

      • Zippy

        It’s not the Dem establishment, it’s DWS all by herself. That schedule was its own kerfuffle thanks to her, most of the others on the committee opposed it and she went around them and did it unilaterally and pissed them off

        • Interesting. I didn’t know that, thanks.

          • Zippy

            There was a huge deal where the person most vocal in opposition was disinvited to the first debate.another unforced error on the part of DWS

    • Beaumarchais?

      Impressive rant/analysis, Zip. We have a stake in being the adult party, debating issues that affect people.

    • OrdinaryJoe

      Amen brother. I can’t understand what would possess the DNC to let this go public. Private campaign material being mishandled is a family matter and should never have gotten out to the public. But of course these are the folks that managed to fuck up the data security in the first place.

    • MsAnthropesMr

      ZIppy, I nominate you for Chairman of the Democratic Party.

      • AntiDerpomeme

        Oh God! Yes!

        Ha, you guys got to see my O face. I’m not ashamed.

      • Zippy

        ROFL, I won’t even register as a Dem, precisely because of shit like this.

        • MsAnthropesMr

          Time to trot out the Will Rogers:

          ” I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat.”

      • greyXstar

        Seconded! Suit up Zip

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Thanks, Zip. You said it better than I did, and in well thought out detail.

      Once again I regret I have but one upfist to give you.

    • OneDemin EOr

      This is so obviously a set-up by DWS. The chutzpah is strong with this one.

      • Zippy

        While I don’t condone what Bernie’s peeps did, she managed to turn the stench up to eleven the way she’s handling it

        • Villago Delenda Est

          She’s suffering from McCain disease…her ambition overrides her integrity.

    • timpundit

      Good points, Zippy.

    • JaaaaaCeeeee

      Howard Dean’s old grassroots “Democracy For America” is not too impressed with DNC/DWS cutting the Sanders campaign off from their own GOTV voter data:

      “The Democratic National Committee’s decision to attack the campaign that figured out the problem, rather than go after the vendor that made the mistake, is profoundly damaging to the party’s Democratic process,” said Charles Chamberlain, Democracy for America’s executive director.

      • Zippy

        I have a serious problem believing that Bernie’s peeps were digging through the database for such altruistic reasons- they were being opportunistic just like any campaign would be. That being said, this shouldn’t have ever been a problem in the first place, and now that it is, it never should have ballooned into the cluster fuck it has become

        • JaaaaaCeeeee

          Agree completely that rooting around for any reason, instead of raising flags like in October, requires firing the staffer(s), whether the staffer is an idiot or amateur dirty trickster.

          I think you might be agreeing with me that DRA has voiced the much bigger problem the Democratic National Committee (DWS and news media) is creating, which is not the inciting of the crazies that always happens.

          How does the 2 hour firewall fail justify running to the media and cutting the Sanders campaign off from their own GOTV data just before IOWA and a debate?

          • Zippy

            It doesn’t. That is one of many reasons I am sick to death of DWS and her constant rat fucking. I don’t even blame the media this time, she breathlessly dangled a bit of catnip in front of them, rather than deal with this privately out of the news cycle- of course they’re going to pounce on it.

    • JaaaaaCeeeee

      Debbie Wasserman Schultz is bringing the DNC to new lows:

      Shortly after the press conference, D.N.C. chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz appeared on CNN to dismiss Weaver’s claims. “Unfortunately, the Sanders campaign doesn’t have anything other than bluster at the moment that they can put out there,” she said.

      http://www.eschatonblog.com/2015/12/stories-behind-stories.html

      • JaaaaaCeeeee

        DWS’s excuse for blocking the Sanders’ campaign from accessing their own GOTV voter data, and also too Bloomberg’s reporting, just took another hit. This from the software company that screwed up it’s firewall for 2 hours:

        “First, a one page-style report containing summary data on a list was saved out of VoteBuilder by one Sanders user. This is what some people have referred to as the “export” from VoteBuilder. As noted below, users were unable to export lists of people”. The firewall is up, and bug fixed.

        http://blog.ngpvan.com/news/data-security-and-privacy#.VnRxJVbm-RA.facebook

    • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

      Thank you.

    • bobbert

      Zippy, I hate to say this, but fuck off.

      I am not at all a fan of DWS’s performance, but you are succumbing to the temptation to find someone, who you don’t like, to blame for everything that has ever gone wrong.

      Some of Bernie’s staff did a stupid. If you want to find someone to blame for the current “disarray”, it would be them.

      • Zippy

        I completely agree that Bernie’s staff did a stupid (it amazes me how selective people can be when they read posts). They fucked up accessing that data and they fucked up further by trying to get self righteous about it. But the way DWS handled it, by first running to the press and not doing her damn job as the supposed head of the party (apart from a sitting POTUS) and taking care of shit off the radar is inexcusable. She took a bad situation and made it far worse, something she has quite the reputation for doing.

        The fact is, much has gone wrong during her tenure as DNC chair, and it always comes back to the fact that she puts her own ambitions ahead of what’s best for the party. If there’s any truth to the allegation that this breach has been a problem for awhile (and I’m inclined to believe it’s true- it explains why Bernie’s guys were so brazen about data mining the files, they figured no one was doing their job so they might not notice), then she’s responsible for not fixing it. I’m not excusing Sanders, his team fucked up and got caught with their hands in the cookie jar. But the way this splashed all over the media and dominated the news cycle (knocking all the idiocy from the recent GOP debate right down the memoryhole) is all on her. It’s her job to advance party interests and get as many Dems elected as possible. That ain’t gonna happen if you let your dirty laundry get displayed before the whole world- she fucked up and let this get ugly- worse yet, she probably did so intentionally in a misguided effort to curry favor with Hillz, which the Clinton campaign is likely pissed about.

        A professional party chair would have dealt with this shit in private and worked something out without involving the whole press corp. But DWS can’t resist getting her face on TV and she also thinks that her best chances of personal advancement rest with riding Hillary’s coattails, so she’s been nakedly partisan in her 2016 decisions. As we see tonight, Sanders and the DNC have worked out a deal, mainly because Bernie is a smart guy and realizes all this BS is bad for business and most likely because some party elders took little Debbie aside and read her the fucking riot act for letting this shit spiral out of control. And I say this as someone who thought they liked her, until I could no longer ignore what a selfishly ambitious phony she actually is and realized just how many times she’s screwed shit up.

    • SadDemInTex

      Thank you. DWS should be fired immediately.

  • angryspittle

    We do not know there truth and maybe never will. but this does smell of Nixonian shenanigans.

    • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

      I made a Watergate allusion above! Although tbh this would actually benefit Bernie’s campaign far more than the HQ breakin would have Nixon. That said, I doubt it’s some conspiracy on either side. It sounds like the DNC was a idiot and let a firewall down, and several Sanders people took advantage of it and got caught. Really dumb move.

    • Takoma DC

      Jesus. Not even close.

  • fawkedifiknow

    Staffer suggestion for “spontaneous” retort by Hillary at debate tomorrow night: “Enough with the damn data base”!!

    • Takoma DC

      Exactly but we all know that will not happen. Clinton will claim it’s out of her hands and blah blah blah suck it Bernie.

  • marxalot

    Come on, guys. Skullduggery? We expect much better of the Bern, with his contempt for the Military-Industrial-Corporate-Congressional-Financial complex!
    Any kind of Duggary is unacceptable!

    • Zippy

      In all fairness, he only fingered those databases outside their clothes

    • JH Marx

      Any kind of Duggary is unacceptable!

      Exactly!

    • Takoma DC

      I’m so sure alk of HRC’s staff is beyond reproach.

  • Marie Watkins Crocker

    Maybe if Gray had laid off a bit on her Schadenfreude, I’d feel less angry about her obvious Hillary slant.

    I’ve been reading about this “scandal” all morning, and it’s been reported the firewall was down several times – that’s not the Sanders campaign’s fault, that’s the DNC’s fault. Taking advantage of the breach, as far as I can tell, was just giving in to repeated temptation.

    Which, I’m sure, was probably the point.

    I love Teh Wonkette, but I’m fairly disgusted with this article.

    • arealbaby

      Shhh! She’s right there. She might hear you!

    • Marlen S. Bodden

      yep, time to “unlike” emily’s list, er, wonkette

      • Marie Watkins Crocker

        I’m not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I like Wonkette, I just won’t be reading Gray much anymore.

        • Awww. I’m broken hearted. You report on one story that’s kind of a big deal, and suddenly you suck. Oh well.

          • Zippy

            Suddenly?

            (J/K, I love how the Bernie stories bring out the worst from our happy little family)

          • Marie Watkins Crocker

            Actually, it’s not sudden, it’s just the first time I’ve complained.

            Nice assumption, tho’.

          • Jeamonn

            Oh…sick Bern. Seriously though, I agree. I’m not really fond of her stuff.

    • Jay Vaughn

      How dare they fucking report on sleazy/criminal practices of politicians? What will they do next?

      • Marie Watkins Crocker

        Apparently with only half the story, is how they dare.

        Fuck.

        • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

          I don’t think it’s inappropriate to say that the Sanders campaign acted *problematically.* It is problematic. It doesn’t besmirch the integrity of the entire enterprise, but it is problematic.

          • Villago Delenda Est

            It’s absolutely problematic, and I think Bernie has taken steps to address that. “Gosh, we found this flaw in the database firewall. We’ll just copy down some files to do who knows what with to alert them that they’ve got a problem”.

          • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

            I mean, welcome to the big time Bernie. It sucks that this happened. I’m really not up in arms about the issue itself, it seems like typical BS (har?) that happens when you have a big staff doing a lot of things quickly. I’m more interested in the reaction from his supporters.

          • Amy!

            Did they “copy down some files”? DWS says so, but somehow doesn’t impress me with her 1337 h4xx0rz skillz. Or functional computer literacy, come to that. Another suggestion is that they “downloaded” a summary report, which is precisely the sort of thing that 1) doesn’t provide any utility to a rival, and 2) does show access of data that shouldn’t be accessed. That’s the sort of thing one would expect to see if previous reports had gone to /dev/null.

            Lots of blame to go around. In the news, it’s mostly to the Sanders campaign, for [whatever they did, which remains not clear]. The vendor damned well ought to be spanked hard; I’m not seeing any of that. DNC and DWS are mishandling this almost to the point of the “What if DWS was a plant by Karl Rove’s organization?” type meme.

        • timpundit

          Baloney. Come on, there is NO difference how they reported this than they would on a republican scandal, Please.

          • Marie Watkins Crocker

            I really wish you wouldn’t put words in my comments. I don’t give two tugs of a dead dog’s cock if it’s covered like they cover a Republican scandal, I care that only part of the available information is provided, when the Wonkette has been repeatedly careful about providing all the [vetted, sourced] information and proclaiming that that is what Wonkette is doing.

            Gray has not done this.

            Additionally, this story is two months old, and yet has only broken (by DWS) today. This has not been mentioned by Gray.

            The repeated firewall breach has not been mentioned. The fact that the Sanders campaign repeatedly notified the DNC has not been mentioned.

            I don’t believe in conspiracy theories, but I also don’t believe in coincidences, especially where politics is concerned.

            You can take exception to my reaction, but as a human being, I am utterly entitled to my reaction, and to my ability to express same.

          • Spotts1701

            And *I* take exception to you using her name like she’s an object. “Ms. Gray”. Try using actual formal address before you deign to scold others for being unprofessional.

          • Marie Watkins Crocker

            I use “Gray” as it’s supposed to be used when discussing a person, without title or first name. It’s common reportage practice, as I learned during my intensive journalism introduction at SUSC in 1985.

            Sorry for the bona fides, but sheesh.

            And I didn’t say anyone was unprofessional. Man, this reading between the lines has got to stop. I just didn’t like Gray’s article. Did. Not. Like. It.

            For reasons I’ve already explained.

          • GDleftyPart2

            I think you’ve explained yourself quite well and maintained a calmer demeanor than I would.
            I often like Kaili’s words but no one is immune to criticism and you stuck to your reaction because, well , it’s yours….
            I did not have the same reaction but I’ll accept yours as being legitimate.
            I also think that Kaili may eventually respond to you because that’s just how awesome things are here.

          • Marie Watkins Crocker

            Thank you! I mean that, no sarcasm.

            Ten years ago, I would’ve been a screaming troll. Age has it’s benefits. ;-D

          • GDleftyPart2

            You are welcome and this discussion is one of the reasons I come here and give them some of my Ameros….all growed up talk among growed ups with big words.
            Quite refreshing for an intertube discussion forum,…..

          • Marie Watkins Crocker

            It is, isn’t it? Intelligence and humour, it’s enough to stimulate my ASMR.

            heh

          • Toomush_Infer

            Um….as a Wonketeer, I feel obligated to point out that…um….you’re not allowed to comment….

          • Marie Watkins Crocker

            Duly noted.

          • timpundit

            I am interested in how the facts of the story rebut anything Gray has written here.

          • Marie Watkins Crocker

            It’s not really about rebuttal, it’s about pointing out someone going full-blown neener-neener-neener the first time the Sanders campaign fucks up.

            And that’s what Gray’s article is about – it’s about making Sanders supporters feel bad because something bad was done by an employee of the campaign, as if the actions of a handful of people WE DON’T KNOW OR HAVE CONTROL OVER (overemphasis most definitely mine) tar all Sanders supporters with the same brush.

            I can’t help but take exception to someone calling out the morality of a whole passel of folks because of what someone – again, who we don’t know or have control over – did, or even thought about doing, or did to prove something was wrong with the firewall, as has been badly explained by the Bad Man in an interview on MSNBC (I could be wrong about network, if so, I apologize, but I am almost terminally lazy).

            Honestly, if the Sanders campaign could fiddle about with Clinton data, it is equally likely other campaigns were doing the same. I think the relevant question is more about the software vendor and the DNC not making the software vendor FIXIT months ago, than it is about whether or not the Sanders campaign did something nasty in the woodshed.

            After all, the perp has already been taken out to the woodshed, hasn’t he?

          • MissNomer

            Most databases record all access in logs. According to the logs, only the Sanders staffers accessed the database.

            Sorry.

          • Marie Watkins Crocker

            I don’t know why you’re sorry, I also don’t know why you’re assuming the information we’re given is all the information there is, especially as today is the first day of the story.

            There were other breaches, therefore other opportunities. Have logs of those breaches been released? I haven’t seen them anywhere – and even if I did break for a teach-son-to-drive-and-buy-hamburgers trip, I’m sure one of my more anally retentive friends would’ve raised the alarm somewhere. As they probably will, because I’m also sure this story isn’t done by a long shot.

            Also, IIRC, the Sanders campaign had their data sucked by “someone” a coupla months ago. Didn’t see that story getting nearly the traction this one has.

            It does make one wonder, and one does. Wonder.

          • timpundit

            You are certainly entitled to express your opinion whenever youj want, I hope my post wasn’t implying that. And I do enjoy and appreciate your opinions even if I disagree.

          • Marie Watkins Crocker

            I appreciate that. And right back atcha…

        • IronPyrite

          …and sans the subtlety of the “staff” at C&L.

    • Spotts1701

      Well then, the Sanders campaign needs to do a better job of screening out people who give in to temptation.
      Just because someone keeps waving a $100 bill in your face doesn’t entitle you to take it from them.

      • Marie Watkins Crocker

        Well, people who are attracted to working for campaigns tend to be people who want that campaign to win. It’s not a morally correct reaction, to give in to temptation, but the firewall breach was not a one-time incident, and the DNC did nothing about repeated notifications of the breach.

        And I would take the bill, because who waves $100 in someone else’s face and doesn’t expect it to be snatched?

    • timpundit

      There is nothing wrong or unfair about the article. In fact Wonkette is pretty lenient toward Bernie. I think you read it wrong.

      • Marie Watkins Crocker

        I didn’t say there was anything wrong or unfair about the article. I just don’t like the slant and the dripping Schadenfreude.

        That’s my reaction, needn’t be the reaction of anyone else.

        And I don’t think it’s reportage, it certainly isn’t reporting all the information available.

        • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

          I thought the whole point of Wonkette was schadenfreude and satire aimed directly at all the people? I’m sure they’ll update with more info if and as it becomes avail, right Kaili?

          • Marie Watkins Crocker

            More information IS available.

            Varda my ire.

          • Marlen S. Bodden

            but it isn’t aimed at all people, certainly not at Billary (she’s the one who said 2 for the price of one).

          • MissNomer

            Bill said that.

    • Takoma DC

      Maybe the DNC had their vendor do it accidentally on purpose.

      If the Sanders’ campaign knew and reported it to the DNC, then certainly Clinton’s staffers knew too.

  • BeverlyCrusher’sWig

    Just wondering, for the sake of science of course, what the reaction would be among Sander’s supporters if say the Clinton campaign had been caught doing this?

    • Hutch

      Hoo boy!

      (No, sir. Not takin’ sides.)

    • McHitler (formerly Nuke90210)

      As a Sanders supporter, all she would have to do was fire the staffers that took the information and move on. Banning access to one’s own information is a cheap way to lose a campaign.

    • Takoma DC

      Bernie would have done a Jesus and forgiven Clinton and yelled at the media to move one.

    • Steverino247

      Under the circumstances stated by the fired staffer (i.e., we noticed your/our database was incredibly open to hacking and told you and then we noticed it again and this time kept enough data to prove our point) then what should have happened was for all campaigns using the data to insist on greater security and the dismissal of those responsible.

      • Mr Corrections

        That seems totally likely and definitely what would have happened, for sure.

        • MissNomer

          OMG, there’s sarcasm all over the floor.

  • Anna Elizabeth

    A proposal – since all of these politicians spend soooo much moneys on advertising and polling, Mz. Anna suggests that the answer to any “whom are you voting for in the 2016 Election?” question be – “None of your fucking business”.

    That’s my plan, anyway.

  • FauxAntocles

    I had no idea DWS was so reviled – live and learn.

    • WiscoJoe

      Meh, we’re all liberals/progressives here. Anyone in a position of authority is reviled, unless they’re sexy like Obama or not actually in any position of authority like Bernie.

    • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

      She is in quite bad odor in certain Dem circles. Charlie Pierce in particular smears Vap-O-Rub under his nose when she comes around…

      • Zippy

        Just think how different the electoral landscape would be if Dean was running the show these last few years

        • Good_Gawd_Yall

          Oh gawd, yes, THIS

        • Takoma DC

          They treated Dean wonderfully. Didn’t they?

      • Takoma DC

        How did she get the position is what I’d like to know. She can barely speak.

  • Callyson

    Also, too, considering some of the comments below:

    Kaili, thanks for not letting some overly sensitive types keep you from reporting on this, and don’t let them get to you now. I’ve been a fan ever since you started writing for Wonkette!

    • Anna Elizabeth

      Agreed and Endorsed.

    • Also want to thank Kaili for being Kaili.

    • Slithytoves

      She’s my fav.

    • Juan de Fuca

      Agreed. My only critique is this story should have been posted about an hour past beer-thirty ;)
      I kid, I kid.

    • Thurman Munster IV

      Um. Does Kaili seem like the type that can be “got to”? Or were you being facetious?

      • Zippy

        Maybe Trump would “take her out”

      • Callyson

        I wasn’t too worried (Kaili seems like she’s pretty thick-skinned when it comes to these things), but I just wanted to make sure.

    • Takoma DC

      I’m looking forward to learning about what the Clinton campaign did with the info. Surely Sanders’ people weren’t the only ones aware of the breach?

      • MissNomer

        They may not have been the only ones aware of the weakness, but according to the logs that were examined in the audit, the Sanders campaign is the only one that exploited it. Apparently there is no record of Clinton’s campaign having done so.

        The data didn’t just pop up on their screens. Bernie’s boys created accounts, shared permissions with others, ran searches, and created lists from the database that they stored locally. They only reported the breach after nearly an hour of doing this.

        • Takoma DC

          I guess MSNBC got it wrong. They reported Sanders’ staff notified DNC of the breach in October. Also that they’re conducting investigation and do not yet know details of exactly who did what when and from where.

          • Mr Corrections

            They pretty much do know who did what and when, since what brought this to light was the post-incident security audit – the Bloomberg article linked to has a reasonable summary.

          • Takoma DC

            As I stated, MSNBC got it wrong. I’ll check out other news sources. Strange this has been going on since Oct and yet just coming to light now? Timing is odd.

          • MissNomer

            My understanding is that it hasn’t been going on continuously since October, but that a firewall was observed to be down briefly in October, and that was reported. This time, there was a bug in a patch that was installed, and Sanders’ campaign exploited it to download classified data that they knew they had no right to.

          • Takoma DC

            I never said “continuously.”

            The problem was reported.

            DWS and DNC did nothing.

    • Steverino247

      Kalli has twice taken a bullshit story and made it seem like something it wasn’t.

      And yes, I’m counting.

      • Mr Corrections

        Oh no! He’s counting!

        • Steverino247

          Hey, new guy. Listen up. We have a different kind of thinking here and you’re not yet getting it.

          • Mr Corrections

            “New guy”?

  • Thaumaturgist

    All I wanna know is how much classified information did Hilz have on that private server. Can we get Trey Goudy to investigate?

  • Mehmeisterjr

    DWS has a potential challenger in the primary. Unfortunately it’s the, uh, how to say this diplomatically, eccentric guy who landed the gyrocopter at the Capitol Building:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/gyrocopter-pilot-who-landed-at-capitol-hopes-to-return–as-a-congressman/2015/12/16/e222fc7c-a432-11e5-ad3f-991ce3374e23_story.html

    • Zippy

      I’d vote for him

      • HobbesEvilTwin

        definitely over DWS.

  • timpundit

    God – this is gonna be Hill v Obama all over again. Not the end result, just the gnashing of teeth.

    • Marlen S. Bodden

      same end result for Annie Oakley

      • timpundit

        What? She’ll be Trump’s Sec of State? Fat chance.

  • Jay Vaughn

    Jesus, fucking Bernie. He’s the democratic response to Trump; loud populist ravings and no actual plan. To quote Pete Davidson, “America needs to stop doing things because they’re funny.”

    • That seems like an overstatement. Sanders is a leftwing populist, that’s true, but he’d only come close to resembling Trump in terms of policy ideas if he was shouting “Peace, bread and land!” while simultaneously promising to abolish private property, ban religion and nationalize Fox News.

      • Jay Vaughn

        True, he isn’t near as stupid, but he has about the same amount of actual policy. He’s a joke candidate that an inordinate amount of people on Internet are super loud about.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          This is the problem with populists, period. They attract people who get loud about them, and get very defensive if anyone points out that some of the policy proposals might have some impractical side effects or flaws to them.

          • Jay Vaughn

            We shouldn’t vote for a guy because he makes us the maddest at whatever is perceived as the biggest threat.

          • Toomush_Infer

            Having made this very important point to yourself, you can move on, Jay…

          • Jay Vaughn

            Don’t be such a fucking shitwad bro

        • Okay, I’ll bite.

          Aside from the unlikelihood of any Democratic President getting anything through the House and the Senate in the next four years, how is bringing American economic policies more in line with, say, Europe, a joke idea?

        • Toomush_Infer

          Hey, a pop up!…

      • JohnQFugly

        Add nationwide production of guns and butter to that and you’ve got my vote.

  • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

    As an Iowa voter activist person, let me splain. Campaigns pay the DNC to access voter data that tells you things like address, favorite ice cream, and activity in recent elections. Then you can add data, e.g. “canvassed, slammed door in face,” flag people for follow up, etc. Sure, people can still door knock, but they can’t record the data, which is going to be a clusterfuck. So yeah, they are hamstrung.

    It’s dramatically unethical to look at another candidates data, it’s just a stupid ass pointless dumb move. It’s like Watergate: you broke in BUT WHY? Although… if Bernie’s ground game has been as bad elsewhere as it’s been in my n’hood then it would fast track them to knowing who is committed to HRC, for whom Bern is 2nd choice, etc. Basically it would allow to them to cut in line and make up time. Time that they will now BADLY lose, from which they might NOT recover.

    Does this reflect poorly on the campaign and candidate? Yes. Is the response fair? Meh. I think DNC should unfreeze access ASAP. I want Hillary to win because she is badass, not because Bernie’s kids couldn’t knock on doors. We can win legit. Give em their databases.

    • Yeah. And obviously downloading that info was a Bad Thing that Should Not Have Happened and Cannot Be Tolerated – of course – but it seems like freezing access to their legitimate data more makes everybody on hte Dem side look bad and will just generate unnecessary bad blood within the party.

      But maybe there is some super-duper useful secret info in all those spreadsheets. But having done a little data entry as a volunteer, I am skeptical that that is the case, making this look like a hell of an overreaction.

      • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

        It would have helpful data. Not super secret amazing data, but helpful (save some kids from knocking doors — make sure they go somewhere else — etc). But that’s it. Helpful but these aren’t tax records or something. It’s been less than 10 hours and I already want the issue to go away — just unlock the databases and fix the IT.

        • JohnQFugly

          Exactly. The magnitude of the breach itself buries any real significance of the data.

      • Mr Corrections

        The real problem wasn’t that they looked at, or even downloaded, the data – it’s that they started granting read access to other staff members and creating dummy accounts. That implies that they had every intention of continuing to do this.

        • Also a Bad Thing, etc. I am not trying to downplay that! Whether this is “Bad Apples” or somehow systemic is absolutely worth looking into.

          But I’m still unclear on how freezing the national campaign’s access to its own data is a proportional and/or helpful response, re: the democratic process.

          • Mr Corrections

            It’s the DNC’s data, not theirs – they get to attach private stuff to it, but without the source data it’s probably useless. I don’t think the DNC has handled this at all well, but that doesn’t change how seriously this should be taken.

          • Shrug. Agree to disagree, I guess. I mean, okay – the data belongs to the party, fine – but the party is effectively freezing an entire campaign’s ground game, aren’t they? And it feels a bit like your argument is missing the forest for the trees, as far as letting the process – that is, voters voting – play out.

            I admit not knowing as much as I should, given that I’m voicing an opinion on the matter, but isn’t the issue right now really just getting people to vote/caucus, etc.? That is, I wonder if there are that many undecideds or otherwise malleable voters out there right now that’ll show up to the primaries – so (again, as an ignorant layman watching largely from the sidelines) the party’s decision to effectively pause a candidate’s ground game over data that seems like it would, at best, only save them some time as far as knowing whose doors not to knock on or whose phones not to call seems, again, disproportionate. Or is there metadata in those files that goes beyond what I’ve seen added to stuff while I was volunteering?

            It looks petty and weird and I don’t think it does anybody any favors, Clinton, Sanders, or the Democrats in general, as it plays into stereotypes of the party being chaotic and confused and reactionary.

            That all being said, I admit I’m biased, and who knows. Maybe Sanders is crooked and his whole organization is rotten from the top down. In which case, I guess it’s good we find out now. The fact that I haven’t seen any evidence of that up to this point doesn’t mean much. Perhaps I’m self-censoring what news I read.

      • JohnQFugly

        I think they froze it more for self-preservation than anything. Didn’t want anyone thinking they might somehow be involved.

        • Maybe? That’s not how it looks to me. But, again, layman, ignorant.

  • Gleem-McShinez

    You thief!! That is my number eight! I can tell because it’s in Comic Sans!

  • GDleftyPart2

    Cookie jars are very tempting to reach into and they don’t record user data….

  • Sheepshagger

    Grandma and grandpa are gonna get divorced aren’t they?

    • Slithytoves

      You just really cracked me up.

    • Spotts1701

      I so hate when they fight.

    • Marlen S. Bodden

      Yes. The thrill has been gone for a long while. Wonkette just is not funny; so what’s the point?

      • bobbert

        24 comments, and you make this remark?

  • gedjcj

    Dammit! They’ve gone and knocked some of the happy nice time fairy dust sparkles off the Bern and you just know it will never come out of this carpet!

    • Mormos

      (my heart is) closed for the season

  • Badger33

    DWS is also a Clinton loyalist. I’m sure that won’t impact her decision making.

    • Takoma DC

      Nawt at’tall. (Slurping tea w/ pinky extended.)

  • blaid droog

    In the early bush years, I got my news from Peter Jennings and then I would watch the newshour. Then Peter took the easy way out and left tee vee news with grace and dignity. Jim Lehrer chose to continue on, pretending that tee vee news was still relevant. On one occasion he was chatting with with the leader of the senate harry whats his face and oozing from harrys pie hole the words ” you see jim, they control the white house but we control the purse strings”. I screamed at the idiot box “harry you’re a useless sack of shit”, picked up the remote and did something dont remember what. Life moved forward and yesterday harry proved me correct for the zillionth time. A day or so ago hitlery couldnt remember a hundred thou crossing her palm. I lost the call to scream youre a sack of shit a long time back. The dnc decides to fuck Bernie. Wassershithole attacks Bernie. I just lost the energy to scream sack of shit a long time ago. So I did something I’ve never done before in my whole life. I donated money to a poliitician. To Bernie. He should thank the dems for getting me to give him money.

  • SammyDEEEEEE

    Sanders did A Very Bad Thing, and I think He Has Learned A Lesson.

    Now I think it’s time to unlock the database and move on.

    • bookish

      Well, his staff did a very bad thing. But he gets to take the fall.

      • Mr Corrections

        Nixon didn’t know about Watergate in advance, either.

    • Kat Hay

      And what, precisely, was the Very Bad Thing that Sanders did? You mean staffers, after reporting security problems with the software to the DNC – more than once – “saw” or “detected” or whatever, the firewall dropping again. Bernie fires the responsible party, (who may or may not have actually transgressed) and Sanders is guilty of WHAT? Aside from the reaction being completely out of proportion given (1) DNC was responsible for running the defective and insecure software despite warnings about it and (2) DNC leaks the story which becomes and instant shitstorm that kicks it all over Bernie Sanders. Who is kidding whom here? Independent investigation, please.

      • SammyDEEEEEE

        Oh my god, calm the fuck down.

      • Mr Corrections

        I highly advise reading the linked Bloomberg article above. This wasn’t a junior staffer sneaking a peek at a mailing list, this was multiple senior staff members stealing data and attempting to install backdoors so they could do it again.

        • seppokangas16

          Multiple senior staff members? Installing backdoors? Interesting spin, as the company involved issued the following statement: “First, a one page-style report containing summary data on a list was saved out of VoteBuilder by one Sanders user. This is what some people have referred to as the “export” from VoteBuilder. As noted below, users were unable to export lists of people.” http://blog.ngpvan.com/news/data-security-and-privacy

          One user saved a single page, within the system itself. No download…. No “theft” of data.

          So much for your story.

          • Mr Corrections

            Again, I have no idea what that blog is describing – quite possibly the previous breach. The audit of this incident is quite clear – four staffers, multiple searches and downloads, sharing access to people not originally granted it, creation of dummy users. It’s all right there in the article.

          • lroom

            It’s also at Time magazine’s website as well. Four staffers and they downloaded and created up to 24 lists. I can’t seem to copy a link here on my tablet or I’d show it but you can read it on their site.

          • seppokangas16

            > Again, I have no idea what that blog is describing – quite possibly the previous breach.

            So, you think that the article, posted on their blog, today, and subsequently updated at 4pmEST, which literally offers “clarification” on the allegations, and goes on to discuss the breach that occurred this Wednesday, might be about the previous breach?

            If so, you are a special breed of dipshit.

            > It’s all right there in the article.

            I’ll take the word of the company itself over that of a news article, given how frequently the media likes to work itself into a baseless lather.

          • Mr Corrections

            I can’t imagine that the company would have any interest in downplaying its own incompetence, so we should definitely believe that blog over the security audits, for sure.

          • MissNomer

            I work in data security. I promise you, crossmyheartandhopeto die, that the company itself is not the best source for what really happened. The company is in armor plate-our-ass mode. It is going to radically downplay the breach and the theft and therefore their own culpability. Mr Corrections is citing the actual database audit, which tells a much different story.

          • TheOtherHeadlessThompsonGunner

            Since you work in data security, can you help me remember my password? I can never keep in mind if it’s 12345 or 123456.

  • HobbesEvilTwin

    The DNC knew this software was crap, but used it anyway. I’m not saying don’t blame the burglar, but if you leave the front door wide open …

    On edit, I think there may be a metaphor in there between the software and DWS.

  • Land Shark

    Maybe it’s a Hilary false flag op to smear the Bern? And Debbie DoWrong Wassshername-Schmidt is running it?

    • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

      This is the conclusion ALL THE BERNERS are jumping to. All the die hard ones anyway.

      • Land Shark

        I’m not a Berner, but in IT. This would be a simple thing to do. And I’m sure both Bernie and Hilary have scum sucking GOP spy interns working for them.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Which is why DWS trumpeting of this reinforces their paranoia. DWS is not helping. Well, she thinks she’s helping herself. If I were Hillary, I’d be pissed about this.

        • Land Shark

          There goes DWS’ cabinet position ….

          • Zippy

            I honestly think her goal is to ride Hillz’ coattails to Rubio’s seat

          • Land Shark

            If I was Hilz, I’d giving a ride on a one way Uber to Kansas. With vote, of course.

          • Zippy

            it wouldn’t surprise me if she gave DWS the major cold shoulder after this

        • Zippy

          I’d bet the farm she’s furious about it.

      • aquanaut

        It’s true, we are.

  • Mavenmaven

    So now McCord, Barker, Martinez, Sturgis, and Gonzalez are working for Sanders?

  • chicken thief

    This is GREAT NEWS for Martin O’Malley!!!

    • Land Shark

      Who?

      • Zippy

        Lessig’s VP

    • And John McCain!

      • chicken thief

        Shhhh. Don’t wake him….

        • Vienna Woods

          He’s sleeping like a baby…

  • Mormos

    This was a damn stupid thing to do. That said, the DNC’s overreaction is telling. They don’t want Bernie as the nominee anymore than the RNC wants Trump. As if burying ALL the democratic debates on Saturday night wasn’t evidence enough.

    It is almost as if party officials support Hillary 45/1 or something, and that support is causing pretty blatant and biased impact on the process (such as effectively shutting down a major candidate’s campaign for god knows how long). hmm…

    • Takoma DC

      But if HRC is polling at 53% and Sanders 32% why would they be fearful?

    • Rick Hill

      She may shift left for the campaign but she’ll snap right back to her old self once elected.

      • ahughes798

        It’s not like there’s no precedent for that. Looking at you, President OBama.

  • chicken thief

    I’m sorry, but I’m having a hard time convincing myself that this is ‘serious shit right here!’. Seems more like the alleged taking of all the w’s off the keyboards before the newly elected President moved into the White House/Oval Office.

    I mean, the likely use of the data is to call or email the people, right? As opposed to, say, kidnapping them all until after the primary or something sinister like that?

    • Rick Hill

      Or maybe even *gasp* get them to donate Hillary money to Sanders!!!

      • chicken thief

        Think that might happen? Take me, for example. I’m not a huge Hillz fan, but I don’t think Bernie can win. So I won’t give money to Bernie, but I would to Hillz because she is better than any fucknut ‘kill every MooseLimb’ in the GOP. I like pragmatic Presidents.

        Bernie’s team calling me isn’t going to change any of that.

        • thenearesthippie

          These are my exact thoughts. How did you do that? I’m wearing my foil hat. . . .

        • MissNomer

          And if Bernie’s team knows that about you, they won’t waste resources calling you. Hillary spent $$$$$$$$$$ amassing all this information about individual voters – who will volunteer, who will donate, who will not answer or hang up, who’s on the fence, and any other sekrit data points Hilz is using in her Iowa, NH, SC, etc., strategies. Campaigns are won or lost on this data.

          Bernie’s team can now use that expensive stolen information to target their campaign strategy and GOTV efforts, for free.

    • Mr Corrections

      They appear to have been creating dummy accounts to give themselves access if their main accounts got locked out. That’s very nearly, if not actually, criminal.

      • chicken thief

        Thanks! That makes a little more sense. But frankly, I’m still missing something. Names, addresses, and phone numbers are for the most part, public info. That so-and-so likes Hillz and tapioca pudding is classified?

        To me as a simple guy, an analogy might be: the Patriots ‘stealing’ the Jets signals to the QB. It’s something that every team wants, but at the end of the day, you still have to run and defend the play. That is, even if you know what they are going to do, your team still has to prevent it. Does it help? – sure, but it is no guarantee to success.

        • Mr Corrections

          The names and addresses they ALREADY had access to – the DNC database that they had already paid for. What they were accessing were the Clinton campaign’s private notes on and other attachments to that data.

          • chicken thief

            Again, thank you. This Wonkette thing is like a freakin encyclopedia of learning if one is willing!

            But… how does it stack up to my Patriots analogy? Meh….?

          • MissNomer

            Football is only a game.

          • SadDemInTex

            Notes like if the Clinton campaign calls me I blow a whistle into the phone?

    • JohnQFugly

      And to determine why Hillz’ campaign is more successful

      • chicken thief

        I’m not sure if that is snark or not, so forgive me. But her campaign is ‘more successful’? By what metric? Bernie never had a snowball’s chance in hell, but has more followers in real numbers than Trump.

        • JohnQFugly

          Not snark. There’s a psychological aspect associated with polls and it’s possible Sanders’ team farmed this data in a fever of desperation. You’re right, Sanders has a large, and largely quiet following, but Hillz’ data could still be of value to the Bernie camp.

        • JohnQFugly

          Not snark. Poll numbers have a psychological effect on campaigns, so this could possibly be an act of desperation. Surely Sanders’ people felt Hillz’ data was of some value to them. Yes, Bernie has a large, if not largely quiet following, and I’m not confident Trump will sustain support for the duration of this election.

  • tegrat

    In the interests of fairness, here is the statement from the campaign:
    Two months ago, shortly after our digital vendor who conducts modeling for our
    campaign told us that there was failure in the firewall that prevents
    campaigns from seeing one another’s data, we contacted the DNC and told
    them about the failure. We were concerned that our data could be
    compromised and we were assured at the time the firewall would be
    restored.

    Instead, we found out two days ago that once again,
    this sensitive and important data was compromised because the DNC and
    its vendor failed to protect it.

    We have invested enormous campaign resources in
    acquiring the rights to use this proprietary information. But the DNC,
    in an inappropriate overreaction, has denied us access to our own data.

    Let me briefly discuss the three issues involved here.

    First, this is not the first time that the vendor
    hired by the DNC to run the voter file program, NGP VAN, has allowed
    serious failures to occur. On more than one occasion, they have dropped
    the firewall between the data of competing Democratic campaigns. That is
    dangerous incompetence. It was our campaign months ago that alerted the
    DNC to the fact that campaign data was being made available to other
    campaigns. At that time our campaign did not run to the media, relying
    instead on assurances from the vendor that the problem would be
    resolved. Unfortunately, the other day, the vendor once again dropped
    the firewall between the campaigns for some data.

    Secondly, after discussion with the DNC it became
    clear that some of our staffers irresponsibly accessed some of the data
    from another campaign. That behavior is unacceptable to the Sanders
    campaign and we fired the staffer immediately and made certain that any
    information obtained was not utilized. We are now speaking to other
    staffers who might have been involved and further disciplinary action .
    Clearly, while that information was made available to our campaign
    because of the incompetence of the vendor, it should not have been
    looked at. Period.

    Thirdly, rather incredibly, the leadership of the
    DNC has used this incident to shut down our ability to access our own
    information, information which is the lifeblood of any campaign. This is
    the information about our supporters, our volunteers, the lists of
    people we intend to contact in Iowa, New Hampshire and elsewhere. This
    is information that we have worked hard to obtain. It is our
    information, not the DNCs.

    In other words, by their action, the leadership of
    the Democratic National Committee is now actively attempting to
    undermine our campaign. This is unacceptable. Individual leaders of the
    DNC can support Hillary Clinton in any way they want, but they are not
    going to sabotage our campaign – one of the strongest grassroots
    campaigns in modern history.

    We are announcing today that if the DNC continues to
    hold our data hostage, and continues to try to attack the heart and
    soul of our campaign, we will be in federal court this afternoon seeking
    an immediate injunction.

    What is required here is a full and independent
    audit of the DNC’s handling of this data and its security from the
    beginning of this campaign to the present, including the incident in
    October that we alerted them to.

  • IronPyrite

    but it’s looking unlikely that Bernie Sanders will be able to free college his way out of this one. Sad burned face.

    Yeah, that is a sad, isn’t it, Kaili? What’s sad is you gloating over the prospect that the actual liberal-progressive candidate might actually be burned down.

    By the way, you wouldn’t happen to have any, you know…evidence or proof that Sanders was complicit in any wrong doing…on the part of his staffer…that he fired?

    • Ubertrout

      BERNIE SANDERS CAN’T MELT STEEL BEAMS

      • IronPyrite

        NEXT TIME, ADD 27 EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Juan de Fuca

          No shit, right?

  • tegrat
  • toomanyrappers

    The Neoliberal fake liberal Democratic party can’t wait to bury Sanders and maintain the economic staus quo.

    That means: continuing to hollow out the middle class, making more bad trade deals, refusing to regulate Wall Street, not lifting a finger to help unions, and accelerating the income inequality problem.

    Hillary Clinton represents all of those things. The Democratic party represents and promotes all of those things.

    Sanders stepping in to call them out has been uncomfortable and inconvenient.

    They can’t wait to bury him.

    Black lives matter. We are going to shoot you less, but you can forget about any real income mobility. That’s only for rich white people.

    Fuck this.

  • Gorillionaire

    Democratic success depends on inspiring more people to get the hell out and vote. This kind of inside party bickering and heavy handed punishment is not encouraging. Petty shit like this only reminds people that the establishment will do whatever to stay in charge and that all your votes and good intentions matter fuck all so just get out of the way and let the boss take over.

    • MissNomer

      “Petty shit like this” was the reason for Watergate.

      • Steverino247

        No. Watergate was about Richard Nixon trying to find the proof he knew LBJ took with him of Nixon’s sabotaging the 1968 Peace efforts. That would be proof of treason, by the way.

        • Zippy

          Definitely apples and oranges to this tempest in a teapot

        • Mr Corrections

          My understanding (and I admit it’s been years since I read about it) is that Nixon didn’t actually know about the break-in till afterwards – what destroyed him was trying to cover it up.

          • Steverino247

            The cover up was all that was publicly known at the time. LBJ did not want the depth of Nixon’s treason to be known as he knew full well what damage that would have done AND doing so would have jeopardized sources and methods, which you must NEVER do. In other words, LBJ could have ratted out Nixon as a traitor, but the price to be paid was the knowledge that LBJ was buggint the South Vietnamese government. So, he discretely told Everett Dirkson, a recording of which can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbEPI_9Ju0k

          • bobbert

            Ha Ha.

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    On the positive side, Bernie finally made the evening news.

    • Ulricii

      THAT’s a true Wonkettere take on the dust-up! You win the daily best award.

    • badphairy

      Noice!

    • JohnQFugly

      You may have uncovered the true conspiracy

    • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

      He even made Wonkette!

  • FauxAntocles

    Wow, I never would have guessed that this story was an IED.

    • Zippy

      All Bernie stories seem to be. It can be hard expressing an opinion without offending someone

      • FauxAntocles

        For some reason, I thought we were the intellectuals who could disagree without throwing fits.

        • Takoma DC

          We are but HRC supporters don’t see it that way

          • bobbert

            Ah, another fuck off.

            BTW, I will vote for Bern in the primary.

        • badphairy

          Not if Bernie’s involved.

        • Zippy

          witness this very subthread, some people aren’t capable of doing so

    • JaaaaaCeeeee

      There are fanbots and crazies for every presidential candidate. Oh wait, Jeb!

      To me, the problem is DWS using the DNC to go to the media with spin and cut a Democratic competitor’s access to it’s own GOTV data.

  • Takoma DC

    Looks like the DNC is more than willing to Benghazi Bernie. How quaint.

  • Zippy

    I’m holding out until I see the long form database

    • Juan de Fuca

      “Fuck it. I hated the IT industry anyway.” – Sanders’ ex campaign data manager,

  • Bitter Scribe

    This is exactly why I find Sanders so off-putting, despite agreeing with many if not most of his positions. He and his supporters have this way of assuming that they’re on the moral high road about everything, and that entitles them to anything they want. They’re not much different in that regard from the worst, sniveling Christians-are-victims Republicans.

    • badphairy

      I have no problem with Sanders the man, the politician, or the candidate. I AM incredibly sick of his lap-dog fan-club.

      • Mr Corrections

        One of his supporters was screeching about the “corporate media” being behind a poll that showed Sanders 9% behind Clinton in Iowa.

        That poll is the one with the SMALLEST margin between the two.

        It’s that complete unwillingness to do even the most cursory fact-checking that offends me more than anything else.

        • Ubertrout

          100% chance that when he gets the living shit kicked out of him in the primaries, they claim it was due to voter fraud.

          • Guinnessmonkey

            It’ll just prove that “the fix was in, man”, or something.

      • Ubertrout

        Sanders and his fans are a lot like Jesus and his fanclub, tbh. The original guy is cool, but a lot of the people stanning for him make me crazy.

      • Zippy

        In all fairness, it’s not all of them or even most. And there are Hillbots that can be just as annoying. But yes, That minority of Bernie supporters can be as obnoxious and insufferable as the Paultards.

        • Mr Corrections

          I actually think that Ron Paul is a very good comparison – extremely passionate, fact-challenged supporters who constantly (and loudly) attempt to evangelise.

    • JaaaaaCeeeee

      Bitterscribe, there are just as many, just as off-putting fans of Hillary Clinton, who can not understand why all their sons and daughters are all into Bernie Sanders and comparing and contrasting pocketbook policy. But at least they are making most of their opinions around holiday dinner tables, since TV is less interactive.

      • Mr Corrections

        There certainly are Clinton fans that are exactly as gross. The difference is that they aren’t the bulk of her supporters.

      • 41Hertz

        I cannot recall reading or hearing one Hillary supporter state that if Bernie gets the nomination then by damn they just won’t vote. And I’ve quit counting the numbers of Bernie supporters who make that claim, because it got too depressing to think that these assholes would rather see a Republican be president than vote for Clinton. So yeah, on the progressive side, Bernie supporters get the “Most Likely To Be A Rabid Ideologue” award, IMnsHO.

  • Ulricii

    Thanks for getting it right, Kaili Joy. My Bernie true-believer friends, usually reasonable, are apoplectic about innocent Bernie being pole-axed by the Fascist DNC. So much so that I don’t dare put in a word of clarification.

    I guess true-believers in every movement are the same: Their leader is a saint and can do no wrong; so all dissidents obviously are spawn of the Devil.

    • Steverino247

      Bullshit. The DNC is the personal vehicle of Ms. Wasserman-Schultz who would fuck herself to get ahead. She expects something out of everything she is involved with.

      • MissNomer

        I’ll take “innocent Bernie being pole-axed by the Fascist DNC” for 300, Alex.

      • Mr Corrections

        The *national head* of the Sanders campaign data team got into the Clinton data, downloaded a bunch of it, and – along with his deputy – started granting access to other Sanders team members and creating dummy accounts that had access in case they got locked out. How can you possibly think that Sanders is the victim here?

        • Steverino247

          https://gma.yahoo.com/dnc-data-breach-happened-means-bernie-sanders-campaign-170337614–abc-news-topstories.html#

          I’m not saying anyone is the victim here, so kindly stop with that horseshit. There were plenty of mistakes made by all parties with some persons suddenly unemployed. What made the situation worse was preventing the Sanders campaign from accessing their own data.

          • Mr Corrections

            The Sanders campaign has – so far – only fired one of the four people who appear to have been involved. The behaviour here is bordering on the criminal.

            I’d also lock people out of a database if they were attempting to hack it, by the way.

          • Takoma DC

            Clinton staffers knew of the breach too. They didn’t? You mean it was reported to the DNC 2 1/2 months ago yet Clinton and her staffers didn’t know?

          • Mr Corrections

            Edit: wait, I think I misread what you wrote there.

          • MissNomer

            They may have known. But they didn’t exploit it.

          • Takoma DC

            Uh huh.

          • MissNomer

            Databases have access logs. That is how we know that four Sanders staffers were running searches on Clinton’s data that they knew they did not have the right to access. There is no record of Clinton staffers accessing Sanders’ data.

          • Takoma DC

            MSNBC and Sanders’ staffer have both said it’s a continuing investigation. They do NOT yet know if others accessed private info.

            With all due respect, I don’t know who you’re writing all these details for, yourself?

            I have a decent understanding of digital data storage, firewalls, and ethics.

            My point is it is highly improbable that only Sanders’ staffers knew of the breach. Making it equally improbable they were the only ones capitulating to the temptation of useless data.

          • Jeamonn

            Keep using the word criminal and you are going to start sounding like a Benghazi committee staffer.

          • Mr Corrections

            Your attempt to link something that actually happened to a conspiracy theory aside, the theft of data and – more importantly – the attempted installation of fake backdoor accounts really do sound like criminal acts; no exaggeration. The Sanders campaign should fire everyone even remotely involved if it wants to maintain credibility here; so far it hasn’t.

          • Jeamonn

            I an not attempting anything. I am linking your nonsense about the using word criminal to the fact that this it is nonsense. This isn’t a criminal issue. No one could go to jail for this and you sound like a Republican mouth foamer when you say ‘criminal’.

          • Mr Corrections

            It is in fact a criminal act, bordering on corporate espionage. I doubt charges will be laid, but that’s another matter entirely. Sorry that you think that personal attacks on anyone telling you this are going to change the facts; they aren’t.

          • Jeamonn

            Fine guy, explain how this is a crime? Find the statutes, either state or federal that constitutes a crime.

          • Mr Corrections

            Oh OK if it wasn’t a crime the real victim would be Sanders I guess?

            PS: Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, 1986

          • Jeamonn

            Did you actually read that thing?

          • Mr Corrections

            What do you imagine that would prove? Would Uretsky and the other involved staffers somehow become less guilty if I hadn’t, or are you going to do the classic misreading of that Act?

          • JohnQFugly

            You are ON today. Love it.

          • It’s SOP basically everywhere to do so. Up fists for your tireless work.

          • Takoma DC

            There was not any hacking.

          • Mr Corrections

            They deliberately exploited a security breach, granted access to other Sanders staff members, then attempted to set up new accounts that would continue to have access if the original ones were locked out. That’s hacking, my friend.

          • Takoma DC

            That’s not hacking.

          • Mr Corrections

            It very much is. Don’t be ridiculous.

          • Takoma DC

            The DNC’s IT contractor sporadically turned off the firewall.

          • Mr Corrections

            And they took advantage of that security breach – that’s what hacking IS.

          • bobbert

            For what, a day?

            You know, there have been occasions in my past when I was in charge of shit. In the couple of cases where something weird happened, my reaction was always “STOP!!!”

            until we could figure shit out.

            YMMV.

          • Steverino247

            You weren’t running a political campaign.

      • Just like a fucking woman to expect any compensation for their work, amirite guys?

        • Steverino247

          You’re obviously new here and haven’t a clue about the person you’re insulting.

  • Fartknocker

    The DNC has a chance to make a difference in several important races this year. Rather than airing a pissing match over data, why not refocus the energy on this issue:

    http://www.mystatesman.com/news/news/national/guns-are-now-killing-many-people-cars-us/npmzs/#
    Come up with a plan, grow a set, and take on this one issue. Solving this problem gets you a Nobal Peace Prize in my house.

    • FauxAntocles

      This could win them all the races – even with the wrath of the NRA set against them.

  • Rick Hill

    Temporary glitch in the security that Sanders team exploited. Temporary glitch…sounds like a Clinton maneuver for sure. We ALL know about the Clintons and their shady tactics, after all…

    • FauxAntocles

      Even if it was a trap, apparently someone went for the bait. There are no saints.

      • Rick Hill

        Yeah but if Sanders was completely legit how could you trust him as a politician?

        • Rick Hill

          But the file was labeled public domain, available for all to use…

          • badphairy

            I’d like some corroboration of same. That sounds like bullshit to me.

      • Jeamonn

    • bobbert

      This appears to be graduate-level trolling. If I’m wrong, mock me. If I’m right, congratulations.

      • Rick Hill

        A little of column A, a little of column B…

  • Emily Sieger

    I’m not sure how it helps Bernie to pick a fight with the DNC, considering he’s always declined to call himself a Democrat until he decided to run for President as a Democrat…..

    • JaaaaaCeeeee

      There are some questions as to whether it is picking a fight, if you go to court to get back your lunch money (GOTV voter data) that DWS/DNC decided to take.

      • LarkintheAM

        After he stole Hillary’s. The Sanders campaign was in the wrong. The DNC went overboard in imposing a punishment. Now it’s been outted in the media, and both parties are putting on the mantle of martyr and will be unable to back down, so unless the grownups reappear, this is not doing either candidate nor the party any favors.

  • Steverino247

    Debbie Wasserman Schultz is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.

    • Rick Hill

      She’s an overflowing cup filled with the very cream of human goodness.”

      • Antimassacree

        No, that’s Bristol, you know, overflowing with….no, I just can’t.

      • Steverino247

        I don’t know if I’d go quite that far.

        And can we get some dick jokes about now?

        • Rick Hill

          Shoot. I thought you were doing Heavy Metal movie quotes. I have to reconsider my upfist…

          Stern!!

  • OrdinaryJoe

    DNC=DWS=HRC. Sanders is annoying to them, like flies are annoying to horses. The answer was to swat him away. Instead he now gets to play victim to the evil cabal. And everybody is thinking why the fuck would Hillary, of all people, highlight the whole issue of somebody screwing around with electronic data? I am shocked they don’t see how badly this resonates with voters who have up to this point been willing to give her a pass on Servergate.

    • Ubertrout

      Oh for shit’s sake.

    • LarkintheAM

      And the answer is, that your equation is faulty. HRC is NOT pulling strings at the DNC – it’s that kind of paranoid, ridiculous thinking that is going to make this all end in tears. Even if that were true (which it isn’t), as you say, it would not benefit her to blow this out of proportion – the only people it benefits are the GOP, who are now looking across the aisle with very smug faces at the latest “evil Hillary” and “Dems are incompetent” cards they now have to play.

  • badphairy

    This will not end well.

  • Steverino247

    From: https://gma.yahoo.com/dnc-data-breach-happened-means-bernie-sanders-campaign-170337614–abc-news-topstories.html#

    A former senior Democratic Party staffer who works specifically in data and tech told ABC News: “The data breach was 100 percent NGP VAN ’s fault” and argued that the
    Sanders campaign “has a strong leg to stand on” in arguing that their access to the main voter files be reinstated.

    “I’d be saying, ‘your vendor made a mistake, your tool was broken, don’t blame us,’” the former senior party staffer said.

    A petition on moveon.org, which has gathered over 100,000 signatures, is demanding that Wasserman Schultz reinstate Sanders’s access to the voter file.

  • Jeamonn

    It’s funny how this comes out after Sanders gets the CWA endorsement.

    • Steverino247

      Not to mention getting almost 90% of the Democracy for America (DFA) vote for endorsement after each of the three candidates got a free e-mail pitch through DFA.

  • FauxAntocles

    The GOP did it!

    • Steverino247

      Nixon’s the one.

  • owen93

    Did YOU believe Pete Townshend when he said he only downloaded that Kiddie Porn because he was doing research? I didn’t either. And I don’t believe the fired Sanders staffer who said he only downloaded the Clinton campaign Iowa data to see how deep the “glitch was either. I don’t think that the MGT of the Sanders campaign condoned or directed the actions of the overzealous nerd who did it and then enlisted three others to go wild and act like kids in a candy store. But I think that they are trying to blow smoke up our ass with all this hooting and hollering they are doing after the blatant theft of data came to light. It’s classic misdirection away from the fact that this is the worst theft of Political intellectual property since Watergate.‪#‎DownLoadGate‬

    • seppokangas16

      Wow, you sure do seem to have a lot of bizarre information, especially considering the company involved has issued the following statement: “First, a one page-style report containing summary data on a list was saved out of VoteBuilder by one Sanders user. This is what some people have referred to as the “export” from VoteBuilder. As noted below, users were unable to export lists of people.” Read up: http://blog.ngpvan.com/news/data-security-and-privacy

      So, a single user, saved out a one-page list. It wasn’t even exported, because the functionality doesn’t exist.

      This is what you are calling the “worst theft of Political intellectual property since Watergate”?

      lol.

      • Mr Corrections

        That’s an amazing downplaying of what actually happened:

        The database logs created by NGP VAN show that four accounts associated with the Sanders team took advantage of the Wednesday morning breach. Staffers conducted searches that would be especially advantageous to the campaign, including lists of its likeliest supporters in 10 early voting states, including Iowa and New Hampshire.

        (note that this list includes data attached by the HRC campaign).

        After one Sanders account gained access to the Clinton data, the audits show, that user began sharing permissions with other Sanders users. The staffers who secured access to the Clinton data included Uretsky and his deputy, Russell Drapkin. The two other usernames that viewed Clinton information were “talani” and “csmith_bernie,” created by Uretsky’s account after the breach began.

        That’s the most damning part.

        The logs show that the Vermont senator’s team created at least 24 lists during the 40-minute breach, which started at 10:40 a.m., and saved those lists to their personal folders. The Sanders searches included New Hampshire lists related to likely voters, “HFA Turnout 60-100” and “HFA Support 50-100,” that were conducted and saved by Uretsky. Drapkin’s account searched for and saved lists including less likely Clinton voters, “HFA Support <30" in Iowa, and "HFA Turnout 30-70"' in New Hampshire.

        TL;DR – your “single user, one-page” description is completely false.

        • seppokangas16

          TL;DR – your “single user, one-page” description is completely false.

          You may want to tell the folks at NGP VAN that… as I literally quoted them.

          Do you think NGP VAN is lying?

          Seriously, check the link to NGPs site I provided instead of posting excerpts from an article likely written 18+ hours ago.

          • Mr Corrections

            Again, you’re asking me to believe a random blog (allegedly) run by an organisation with a vested interest in downplaying its own errors over the actual security audits which have been obtained and cited by multiple journalists.

          • MissNomer

            I’m with Mr. Corrections. There is no f’ing way the SW company is going to release a statement that details the full extent of the data breach that their product enabled.

      • Gorillionaire

        Also, Townsend was vindicated.

        • ahughes798

          He turned himself in, too.

    • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

      You are out of your goddamned mind. “worst theft of Political intellectual property since Watergate” – you are a fucking troll.

  • Zippy

    Also too, my wonkville headline was better…

    • Mr Corrections

      Your story about bombing Aladdin’s homeland is what you should be most proud of in Wonkville atm.

    • sw19womble

      Jar Jar Binks Libel!!!!!

      • TheOtherHeadlessThompsonGunner

        Never thought I’d read that and agree . . .

        • Mr Corrections

          The other day, I heard a grown-ass man say “Jar Jar Binks was my favourite character” and mean it.

    • bobbert

      Okay, that’s pretty good. But fuck off anyhow.

  • AnOuthouse

    Select * from hitlery_top_secrets where voter_reg like ‘*Republican*’;

    > AOTK.

  • Me not sure

    How can it be that the Republican Party has the worst field of candidates since Lawrence Harvey shot his step daddy and yet the Democrats will end up getting pilloried over an IT fuckup. Must just be that old liberal media bias, I guess.

    • Mr Corrections

      (Take two) Well, the Republicans are hardly going to have an IT fuckup when they still keep all their data in binders.

      • sw19womble

        They can also keep voting machines working (in their favour)

      • ahughes798

        I thought it was just Mitt who had binders full of women?

  • TheOtherHeadlessThompsonGunner

    Sanders’ campaign likely did a bad. The DNC definitely has done a bad in blocking Sanders from his own proprietary information on the site, right as we’re wheeling toward the Iowa caucuses. DNC Debbie is closely tied to Clinton and is exploiting Sanders’ bad to help HRC out. Scummy all the way around.

    I bet eleventy people have already said all this below. Which is me, late to the party and coming in the door to yell SURPRISE HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!11! to the guest of honor, who’s upstairs in the bedroom boning on everyone’s coats. Except mine haha.

    • Mr Corrections

      EDIT – wrong post!

  • Stuart Pace

    Why wasn’t Hillary keeping all her data on her own server? Rookie mistake.

  • Anna Elizabeth

    I’ve been trying to avoid comment on all this ’til we know more, but the reactions here remind me of a line written by the great Larry Hama: “Even when you have a squad full of losers, you still have to go on patrol”.

    Way to own-goal, Dems. The GOPs field haters, Fascists, near-idiots, and we’re still going to hear months and months of bullshit about computer crime done by Hillz and Bernz.

    I feel like Monty after Kasserine: “The Jerries are saddled with Mussolini, but we have these fucking Yanks”.

    • Stuart Pace

      The Germans might have been better off operationally without Mussolini’s fascisti, but where would Monty be without his “fucking Yanks.” Seriously, che Monty mangia merda.

      • Anna Elizabeth

        Then Hillz and Bernz better find a fucking Patton, pretty fucking fast.

        Fucking worthless shit-for-brains Dems. I’m so fucking sick of all these asshole politicians.

      • Zippy

        Monty was damn lucky to have those “fucking Yanks” to bail his pompous ass out on a regular basis

  • sw19womble

    It’ll be interesting if Hillary returns the favour in the next debate and states “Forget about the damn computer data! Let’s debate the policies!”

    • Mr Corrections

      Her campaign already asked that Sanders’ access be restored, so that wouldn’t surprise me.

      • Zippy

        good for her (I’ve been Xmas shopping and haven’t been able to follow along)

        • Mr Corrections

          Well, at least I thought it had – can’t seem to find the link now though.

      • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

        It doesn’t matter, DWS will fall on her sword for Clinton.

    • Takoma DC

      Hilarious. You must be joking to think she’d ever be as gracious.

      • sw19womble

        Gracious? No.
        Canny? Absolutely,

        • Zippy

          it would be the smart move

          • Biff52

            I remember the PUMAs

        • bobbert

          And you distinguish between these, how?

  • eddi

    The only way to get attention from the press is to screw up. The bigger the better. Which is a dumb idea if you’re claiming the high road. The Rebs have been making things too easy on the Dems.

  • Razor’s Edge

    Nothing like watching the Democratic party snatching defeat from the mouth of victory.

    • sw19womble

      Are you guys sure that Derpy Wasserman Shultz isn’t an undercover GOP stooge?

      • Razor’s Edge

        In as much as Trump a undercover plant……

        So much money in our politics who knows…..

    • The Magic Christian

      How so. Hillary is still in the lead. Are you slow?

      • Steverino247

        Independents tend not to vote for disorganized drama plays.

      • Grokenstein

        I’m kind of astounded how the far-lefty crowd at RawStory is in full “This is Great News For John McCain!!” mode, replacing McCain’s name with Bernie Sanders. “Why hasn’t Hillary jumped to Bernie’s defense? It certainly proves a thing!,” some are screeching, while others try to ‘connect the dots’ between the four Sanders people and the DNC while simultaneously claiming they’re not theorizing conspiracy. (We’re through the looking glass here, sheeple.)

        The pseudoprogs have once again put a mortal up on a pedestal and declared that the sun shines out his ass. They cannot accept that he’s just another politician, and that they’re gullible.

      • Steverino247

        Lead my ass. Nobody’s cast a vote yet and Super delegates can change their minds. If anybody knows this from personal experience, it’s Mrs. Clinton. Let’s see how the actual voting turns out, but I am impressed with Mr. Sanders’ recent endorsements and the fact that he’s got two million small donors. There’s reasons to be impressed with Mrs. Clinton, but the subject here is Mr. Sanders.

        • The Magic Christian

          And cows can fly.

          • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

            And you may go fuck yourself.

          • The Magic Christian

            And yet cows still won’t fly. LOL

          • doktorzoom

            Kids, let’s try to remember that we’re all progressives who like each other here, OK? That goes for both Berniebots and Hillarydrones.

            Save the vitriol for the Republicans, ‘kay?

      • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

        Hillary is no victory.

        • Mr Corrections

          Of course she fucking is, compared to literally every single Republican.

          • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

            No, she really isn’t.

          • Mr Corrections

            She’s gonna be the next President.

        • The Magic Christian

          She is.

          • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

            She is a loss. The financier class in this country is absolutely an existential threat and she is squarely in their corner. It doesn’t matter whether a republican idiot or HRC is elected, we’re done as a nation. I don’t “hate” her, she is what she is, and in many respects she is obviously preferable to a republican, and I’d probably hold my nose and vote for her. But we are finished, until something extremely violent and horrible happens, hopefully after I’m gone.

          • bobbert

            If you seriously believe that It doesn’t matter whether a republican idiot or HRC is elected, I disagree.

            This is like assuming that the only recognizable difference in illumination is between high noon and a new moon night.

          • The Magic Christian

            Sure, sure.

          • MissNomer

            Speaking of non-factual memes …

          • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

            I’m not sure what you’re trying to say – are you saying that she is not an ally to the financier class? They certainly think she is. Are Blankfein, Dimon and Rubin really mistaken about her?

            http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/12/wall-street-white-house-republicans-lament-of-the-plutocrats-101047

  • As a dem voter, I want my info to be stolen by Bernie!

    Call me Bernie! If you are lousy I will work it out at the Primary.

  • The Magic Christian

    Toss sanders in jail !

  • JohnQFugly

    Those low level staffers don’t exactly have freedom of innovation and usually do exactly as they’re told, which in this case, appears to be some good ol’ fashioned data farmin’.

  • Steverino247
    • Mr Corrections

      Yes, it’s important that we pretend that Sanders is the victim here.

      • Steverino247

        Did you actually read Mr. Pierce’s article? Nobody is saying Mr. Sanders is the victim here. The only possible use of that word would be where his access to his data is being blocked and victim isn’t the word being used. Mr. Sanders has fired those responsible for pointing out that the DNC’s contract agency is useless when it comes to securing data and the DNC shut off access to the data he owns despite his prompt action. He will prevail in his case, but the damage will have been done.

        • Mr Corrections

          I guess I just can’t see why you want to change the topic from the criminal wrongdoing of Sanders staff to a tutting discussion of how mean the DNC is.

          • Steverino247

            That’s not what I’m doing and you know it. Also, Mr. Corrections is not judge and jury in the United States. What facts will you be presenting to the Grand Jury on Monday?

            If the actions were “criminal” then it’s up to law enforcement to charge them. Sanders fired them as soon as he heard of it. What else could he have done with “criminal wrongdoing?” How is any act by Sanders (that we know of so far) a cover up?

          • Mr Corrections

            OK sorry you don’t understand how pressing charges works. Also too, Sanders didn’t fire “them”, he fired one of them – and that’s the entire problem. It’s hardly surprising that the DNC doesn’t want to grant access to their database when the campaign continues to employ three people that have previously attempted to breach security.

          • Steverino247

            I know full well how pressing charges works. I also know how politics works. One person was fired because that was the person who was identified as having done it. It is also my impression that, as the person in charge, he suffers being fired because he was the person in charge. Other firings may occur as their names become available. I know it would make you very happy for Mr. Sanders to just drop everything he’s doing and personally investigate who these alleged perpetrators (or is “un-indicted co-conspirator” more to your liking?) might be. It’s obvious to me that you’re a troll, so no further feedings will be scheduled.

          • FukuiSanYesOta

            *have* breached security. If this was HIPAA, that’s a $1.5 million fine right there.

          • bobbert

            Hey.

            You have any idea why we’re fighting each other so hard about this?

            I gotta hope Hillz just brushes it off.

          • Zippy

            Quick question- did anyone besides Uretsky get fired so far? I’m actually asking, not editorializing- I don’t know the answer.

          • Mr Corrections

            Only Uretsky as far as I know.

          • Steverino247

            I only know of Josh Uretsky who gave an interview here: https://t.co/9qppznUpRa

          • geeeze dude, you sure have not been on many campaigns have you…alls fair in love war and politics ~ you’ve wedged yourself into a ‘no win’ and look more than silly with your bantering. HRC has more dirt on her than a ton of Tide and a White Water river can ever get off this Frump and you’re trying to Sink a campaign over name stealing WTF

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry, I have no idea what you’re trying to say.

        • Takoma DC

          Steverino, Obviously it wasn’t. Pierce has said what many of us have.

          DWS should have recused herself. Why did she notify the Washington Post? Why wasn’t the IT contractor fired months ago?

          To name just a few points.

      • Takoma DC

        Pierce never says that and neither is anyone else.

        DNC was aware of the issue in OCTOBER because Sanders’ campaign told them.

        Then Wednesday this week DNC becomes aware of Sanders’ people accessing and copying Clinton info.

        The DNC notifies the Washington Post.

        Uh huh. That all sounds legit. I’m certain Clinton’s people didn’t know back in October of the breach. Of course the Clinton campaign is beyond reproach and never looked at Sanders’ info between October and December. No way.

        HRC ran a clean campaign in 2008. HRC and her ’08 campaign never resorted to dirty tricks. HRC and her staffers and key supporters never made vile disgusting comments about Barack Obama. Nope. Never happened.

    • Zippy

      Charlie is right as usual. This isn’t that big of a deal and Dems would do well to not let this turn into GOP red meat, or fodder for the idjits in the MSM. The one thing I would disagree with him on, is his characterization of “the DNC”. I have no love lost for those fools, but this smells far more of DWS and her bullshit

    • Juan de Fuca

      He makes several valid points and Zippy posted something along those same lines previously in the thread. After my initial read, i was thinking – no, let’s not blame the DNC for this but after considering all points of view, it does seem to be a very minor story and the motivations of the DNC should be questioned.

      An over zealous IT guy took advantage of a temporary network security weakness due ot a bad patch and he was fired. I’m personally supporting Hillz but like a lot of what Bernie stands for so I’m not going to throw him under the bus for something one of his staffers did. If more information comes out that he had a role in this, we should call it as it is but seriously? We’re crucifying him personally for this?

      • Zippy

        There are some staffers who definitely fucked up-40 minutes of rooting around and 25 separate searches, with proof of downloads isn’t “trying to make people aware of the breach”. But it’s not that atypical for politics

        • Juan de Fuca

          True and he was fired. I’m not getting the outrage or the negative vibe that some are as it relates to the bigger picture in 2016. However, I do understand why people are questioning the DNC’s leadership and handling of this.

        • JaaaaaCeeeee

          Zippy, the voter database company itself has reported that a one page style report containing summary data on a list was saved out of VoteBuilder by one Sanders user. No one exported lists of people, the firewall went back up after their 2 hour failure Wednesday, and the bug is supposedly fixed.
          http://blog.ngpvan.com/news/da

          The DNC blocking the Sanders campaign, them having to sue, the reporting and DWS gloating looks like more slimy, clumsy DWS partisanship with more destructive results for the party.

          • Mr Corrections

            Why are you people so desperate to believe a corporation’s version of events when it’s clearly untrue based on their own released security audits?

          • Zippy

            I got that info from the Times

            According to people briefed on the matter, four different user names associated with the Sanders campaign conducted 25 separate searches of the Clinton data. A summary of audit trails of the logs show that people with the Sanders campaign searched and saved multiple files, according to two people briefed on the matter.

      • Mr Corrections

        I disagree – this wasn’t some “IT guy”, this was the national head of data/IT management in the campaign, who likely reported to Sanders directly. The DNC and/or DWS certainly haven’t responded well, but there’s no way this isn’t a huge fucking deal.

        • Juan de Fuca

          We’ll agree to disagree?

          • Mr Corrections

            I think this isn’t a campaign ender, but it’s a serious issue for Sanders. The fact that he’s apparently not taking it seriously when it’s a huge breach of ethics is infuriating.

          • Steverino247

            Not taking it seriously? He fired his IT department as soon as he heard of the breach (and probably before he knew all the facts) and sued the DNC to get access to his data. “Serious” to you means what, exactly? Did you want them drawn and quartered perhaps instead of merely fired?

          • Mr Corrections

            Not taking it seriously, as in firing only one of the people involved, and complaining about the DNC instead of making a statement about how this is completely unacceptable behaviour. If he wants the moral high ground, then that starts with an admission of wrongdoing and a thorough (and public) investigation.

          • Left Coast Tom

            One day has passed by…how is it that Sanders’ head of IT came to access the Clinton campaign’s data based on targeted queries of data from early primary voting states? And, he fired only the head of his IT but 4 separate accounts accessed the data – what about those other accounts, who controlled them? Do we know that the Sanders campaign no longer has this data, and if so how?

            We had a morning press conference from Sanders’ campaign manager that didn’t seem to involve much responsibility-taking. To me, that’s the more disappointing part, anyone can hire someone who ends up not deserving the trust placed in them, but managers are still responsible for their management decisions. Hopefully we’ll see more of that over the weekend.

          • Zippy

            Yup, I think anyone involved with the actual accessing needs to go.

          • Mr Corrections

            I really think he needs to hold a press conference and do the old “the buck stops here” thing; take full responsibility, fire everyone who even vaguely knew what was going on, pledge that there will be a full & public investigation, etc – not just because that’s the best thing to do, but because his whole campaign is predicated on being better than other politicians.

          • Steverino247

            Your concern is noted. Now, you and Mr. Corrections can resume upfisting each other.

          • Left Coast Tom

            The bottom line remains unchanged – the Sanders campaign hasn’t accepted responsibility.

          • Mr Corrections

            In fact, it’s actively denied it – it has blamed “young” staff (Uretsky is 39, I believe – I dunno how old Drapkin is, but probably 30s), and claimed that it’s being victimised by the DNC, who simply want some verification that the Clinton campaign data has been destroyed before they’ll allow access again.

          • Steverino247

            Oh, no. Firing employees means “Good job, guys. Go get some more data.”

          • Mr Corrections

            You seem extraordinarily angry about some quite inarguable things.

      • MissNomer
      • JD Mulvey

        The salient fact is that several of Bernie’s staffers apparently downloaded these data sets while the firewall was down. I think it’s appropriate for the DNC to ensure that the files went no further than a couple of local harddrives. If that’s all, then delete the files, scrub the harddrives and cloud storage and open Bernie’s access back up within a couple of days and he’s back in business, minus a couple of campaign toadies.

        It appears to me that the DNC is doing what it should be doing.

        • Juan de Fuca

          You make very good points. I’m personally going to withhold judgment until the facts come out. Right now, it appears as though many people are offering opinions based upon emotion without having a clue about what type of information was actually compromised, or who was responsible for the violation. Some have offered there was a cover up and I would agree that the cover up is typically much worse than the actual crime.

          It seems as though the information that Bernie’s campaign stole was generic info used for statistical modeling of voters preferences – data mining. I’m offering that as an opinion because I don’t know exactly what is stored on the contractors VAN database. One thing I do know is that I’m typing this on a website that is displaying several different ads for similar products I’ve searched for on different websites. Everytime we click on a website, that company is tracking your movements through data mining methods and I wish more people would show the same type of concern over that but we accept it, don’t we?

          I agree that it’s completely unethical and Bernie was right to fire the guy in charge. I’ll withhold futher judgment until the facts come out. I’m also interested in learning what personal information is stored by a third party vendor. I think it’s funny that nobody is upset about that part of the story.

          • JD Mulvey

            I’ve used the VAN system many times.

            It’s a very sophisitcated but easy to use system for targeting voters. The beauty of it is that as you use it, your data continues to accumulate. So for instance, if you’re the Teachers Union, and you started licensing VAN about last ten years ago. Initially your dataset was just loaded with the same voter registration daa that anyone can purchase. In the intervening years you’ve run phone banks and canvasses among your members, tallying the responses. You now have several election cycles of voter preference data about whether somebody votes, which way they lean, whether they’re a union member or an environmntalist or whatever. The VAN is capable of modeling his information and helping the campaigns make educated guesses about what demographic groups to hit with mailings or whatever.

            The VAN, so far as I’ve ever known, doesn’t “:track” any behavior other than what you tell them on the phone or at the doors.

            Still, it’s a load of info, and Hillary Clinton’s campaign has every right to be angsty about whether it’s been compomised in any usable way by Sanders’ campaign. The fact that she has a big database of how voters behaved eight years ago is a big thing.

            I’m guessing the amount of serious data Sanders’ team has is somewhere around jack shit.

          • Juan de Fuca

            Thanks JD. I worked network infrastructure (CCNA stuff) during my AF career and work in automation and networking as a PM now but have very little experience on the server side except for college days, MS AD and big picture stuff at work. I’ve never heard of VAN before and didn’t know what information was stored in the system. Learned some new things in this thread so thanks for the information. Wasn’t disagreeing with you in the previous post, just open for more info.

  • Biff52

    I blame ACORN.

    • Zippy

      and Planned Parenthood. I’m sure they harvested bloody pixels from the database to sell for profit

      • cousin itt

        Body pixels have been used to enhance the feminine milk organs of website clickbait ads sheeple!1!!11!

        • pumpkinspiceheroincat

          Mmmmm, milk. For therapy reasons, of course.

    • Juan de Fuca

      I’m hearing the IT guy who worked for Sanders ran IT for Solyndra also, too.
      Allegedly…

      • dshwa

        And Obama. How did you forget Obama?

        • thenearesthippie

          It’s all part of his plot to secure that third term.

    • sw19womble

      SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!

    • bobbert

      Biff,I think I love you (in an entirely overage-dudebro way).

      • Biff52

        Hopefully next year, after Tioga opens and if neither side of the Sierra is on fire, we can finally meet up.

  • BeliTsari

    Bernie WHO?

  • janecita

    Debbie Wasseman should resign, she isn’t impartial at all, she already crowned Hillary.The fact that she scheduled so few debates, basically gave Hillary the advantage over any of the other candidates. No letting Sanders access his own data base is total bull shit.

    • Mr Corrections

      What does any of that have to do with this article?

      • janecita

        Everything, since she’s the head of the DNC, and she seems to be exacerbating the situation.

        • Mr Corrections

          How so? I mean, it might be true (heck, it’s probably true) – but there’s no evidence that I’m aware of that actually links her to this debacle. In any case, that’s not nearly as important as the Sanders campaign cleaning house, which it is so far failing to do.

          • Zippy

            Actually, her history as a back stabbing ultra ambitious pol goes way back and because of that there are really two separate issues here. One is the breach by the Sanders campaign, for which he needs to take responsibility. The other issue is that instead of being smart about this and cleaning up the mess quietly so as not to hand the GOP their talking points on a silver platter, her first impulse was to run to the press and spill the beans as a way of getting in a gotcha against Sanders in a misguided effort to help her BFF Hillary. The worst part is, it doesn’t help her either, as it just puts the stench of corruption in the air and taints everyone involved. She did Hillary no favors today, but it wasn’t for lack of trying.

          • Mr Corrections

            To be fair, now I’ve looked into it the restriction on access for the Sanders campaign appears to be contingent mainly on them producing some kind of verification that the Clinton campaign data has been destroyed. That actually seems … pretty reasonable?

          • Zippy

            which is why they all need to sit down in private and make this go away- it wouldn’t be that hard to make everyone happy

          • Mr Corrections

            Absolutely agreed; but I’m even beginning to question whether that’s the fault of the DNC or if it was actually kicked off by the Sanders campaign as well (the timing isn’t clear, but it seems like it might have been Sanders aides who announced this, not the DNC).

            A total debacle all round.

          • sw19womble

            I wish I’d suggested about an hour ago that you quit while you’re ahead, because you made some good points.
            However, now you’ve flogged the dead horse so badly that it’s making men and women faint and giving small children nightmares that they’ll need three years of therapy to conquer.
            I recognise this is REALLY IMPORTANT to you, but please, take a chill pill.
            Peace out.

          • Zippy

            It really isn’t the big deal that the true believers on both sides want to make it out to be, except for the fact that it hands the lazy MSM an opportunity to whip out one of their memes and supplies ammo to the GOP and gives the “both sides do it” crowd a chance to clutch their pearls. All in all every one of them needs to do the right thing and kiss and make up- quickly. Drop the lawsuits, drop the access lockout, sit down and figure it all out behind closed doors like the GOP has always done (in the past- this year they’ve all gone insane, but before they were masters at circling the wagons around any one of them in a scandal)

          • LarkintheAM

            THIS^^^ This would stop being an issue, if Sanders admitted that overzealous staffers took data they weren’t entitled to, apologized personally to Hillary and opened his own data files to her to make it even. Then the two of them could go the the DNC and say – we’ve fixed this between us (which is where it should have stayed in the first place), so end the embargo and drop the whole fucking thing and let’s get back to the most important business at hand: keeping the White House and winning back as many Democratic seats in the House and Senate as we can. Nothing else matters.

          • Zippy

            something, anything. Just act like fucking adults about it and don’t play this out in public

          • bobbert

            What I’m hoping is Hillz will just brush it off. (flick, flick).

            This is a great opportunity to be an adult, and also show some party solidarity. I’m hoping.

          • Mr Sincere

            You got it right zipster.

          • Mr Corrections

            OK, sorry for having an opinion.

          • Mr Corrections

            I mean, I guess we could fire someone for something when there’s no evidence they’re involved, but silly me, I thought we were the side of politics that required proof and facts.

          • What do you need for a clue ~ sheeeeesh ~ it’s not off topic it’s Critical to it, unless your a DWS (Israhell Firster) bot?

          • Mr Corrections

            Can anyone translate this?

          • bobbert

            I can, but I won’t

          • Mr Corrections

            Curse your eyes.

      • Zippy

        nothing really, but it’s true. DWS is a disaster as DNC Chair.

    • DrShitferbrains

      Agreed. When it comes to the Clintons, I do not believe there is any such thing as a coincidence. For this breach to happen so close to the debate? I seem to recall an incident last cycle when the Romney campaign was left Obama’s debate prep videos (they didn’t take the debate).

      I suspect this may turn out to be DWS’s oldest dirty trick. Or maybe I’ve been reading too many Breitbart crazy-pants conspiracies. But its definitely one of those.

      • janecita

        Funny, how they leaked the news about the breach, right after Democracy for America, and the Communications Workers of America Union endorsed Sanders. This is dirty politics, plain and simple.

        • bobbert

          Damn. You learn something about people* every day.

          *you

      • Emerald

        Help me understand. Four of Sanders’ minions took advantage of an incompetent breach of security and essentially committed a crime, DWS acted like a total dipshit as usual in response, but it’s all Hillary’s fault. Are you saying that the Clinton campaign, in league with the DNC, craftily tempted the Sanders’ people into doing this? That appears to be your point, and it’s just appearing to be a bit far-fetched to me.

        However, I have no doubt that if the situation were reversed, and it had been the Clinton campaign that took the data, all the fires of Hell would pour upon their heads, and it would without question be entirely the fault of the Clinton campaign. That’s basically true isn’t it?

        • DrShitferbrains

          Well it remains to be seen the exact details of how the data was taken- were these people just doing some shady exploratory browsing or were they tempted somehow, like with an email link or something.

          • MissNomer

            Oh, please. This was Bernie’s National Data Director and his minions, and you think maybe he was sucked in by an email link or something? Maybe he also sends money to Nigerian princes.

            The audits show that this was deliberate. They knew exactly what they were doing, and they knew they shouldn’t be doing it.

          • JD Mulvey

            “Tempted by an email link”?

            ^This is both hilarious in its gymnastics to absolve the Sanders campaign AND charming in its complete lack of any grasp of how VAN and the internet in general works.

          • DrShitferbrains

            It was a “for instance” clause. Being a senior web developer I have a pretty solid grasp on how deep linking into web application interfaces work, though you are right that I’ve never worked with VAN. If it has a SOLR interface or something similar than it would be very possible. My point is not to absolve, but say where the detail upon which Sanders’ arguments hinge in their validity to my mind.

    • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

      She should be fired and disgraced. She’s horrible.

    • bobbert

      I’d (potentially) be happy if DWS resigned, because she’s been a fairly terrible DNC chair. The slight hitch is, who would take over, and would he/she do any better?

      Of course, I also think the primary debates are bullshit. Democrats are Democrats, Republicans are …never mind, but largely indistinguishable from each other.

      Barry didn’t beat Hillz in ’08 because of any debates — it was because of his ground game.

      Full disclosure: I will vote for Bern in the Cali primary, and I will happily vote for the Democratic nominee in the general.

    • BeliTsari

      Fired? After serving so very well? Perpetuation of the neo-Liberal status quo can NOT be easy, after pulling a Hedley Lamarr scam on all the smart, hip Yuppies?

  • Me not sure

    You would think that after the Federal Healthcare Exchange debacle that the Democrats would be more careful in choosing an IT firm. Oh wait, it’s the Democrats .

  • E S

    Howz about if Hillary shrugged her shoulder kindly and said in return for Bernies kind shoulder shrug about email, I now fully shrug mine I know he is a decent foe certifiably.

    • zerosumgame0005

      except for the part where Bernie’s people really did a crime-like thing…

      • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

        I really, really hate you people. The smug disingenuousness is only reminiscent of the GOP. You deeply remind me of Mr. Cruz.

        • zerosumgame0005

          “you people”? man, you keep on proving what an ass you are

        • Msgr_Moment

          On behalf of all lefthanded Samoan transsexuals lesbians, I resent your use of the term “you people.

          • pumpkinspiceheroincat

            On behalf of all haploid parthenogenic photosynthesizers named “Audrey,” I too wish to join your parade. Do I have to wear pants?

          • Msgr_Moment

            You people wear pants?

          • TheOtherHeadlessThompsonGunner

            Haploids don’t. At least not well, what with one leg dragging loose on the floor.

  • JD Mulvey

    I believe that Senator Sanders is a man of impeccable character and I don’t think this incident reflects badly on him pesonally.

    His followers, on the other hand… I don’t doubt for a second that they’d pull dirty tricks in service of the greater goal: preventing just-like-a-republican evil-incarnate Hillary from winning.

    Bernie’s been clear from the start: Hillary Clinton deserves respect and any Republican candidate would be a disaster for the country. Too many Bernie fans seem unwilling to listen to him.

    • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

      What are you even talking about? One of the more successful untruths of 2016 is how Sanders supporters are rabid dogs attacking everyone. Yet, I’ve never really seen it, aside from a few facebook people no one follows. I DO see Hillary supporters lying constantly all over message boards everywhere, though. She has a huge army of trolls. And I call them trolls because they continue to repeat non factual memes despite all evidence to the contrary. That and they post from facebook account that a three months old and have no friends and their profile pic is a royalty free photo.

      • JD Mulvey

        You’re “seeing” all of this –this army of people posting “non-factual memes” all over the internet?

        Tell us what else you see. I really truly am interested.

        • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

          Look at any Sanders related article on HuffPo (they use facebook for authentication), and follow the trolls.

          Yes, non-factual memes:
          – Sanders has gotten nothing done in Congress
          – Sanders cannot beat any republican
          – this is George McGovern all over again
          – Black people hate Sanders
          – Latinos hate Sanders

          and so forth.

          • Mr Sincere

            A plague on both your houses. People, people can we stop squabbling like children and get back to the important business of preventing the likes of Trump, Rubio, or Cruz from becoming president?

          • cousin itt

            Just a moment for this important commercial announcement.

          • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

            Because the Wonkette editors decided to publish such a contentious post, that’s why.

          • Msgr_Moment

            And dick jokes.

          • pumpkinspiceheroincat

            ALL the “votes,” Katie.

          • Guinnessmonkey

            Um, those aren’t “non-factual memes.”

            I mean, I wouldn’t say that Latinos “hate” Sanders, nor have I seen anyone claim that. I’d say that he’s failed to win over Latinos, though, and it’s one of the many reasons he’s not going to win the nomination.

          • MissNomer

            Diddums. Let’s compare:

            She’s solely responsible for Iraq, Libya. Syria, Yemen, and ISIS
            She harassed, intimidated and silenced Bill’s rape victims
            She helped him find find vulnerable women to rape
            She laughed about defending the (guilty) rapist of a 12-year-old
            She was fired from the Watergate committee for lying
            She stole $200K of furniture from the White House
            Everybody “knows” she’s an untrustworthy liar
            Benghazi!!1!!!!

            And so on. Mind you, these are not Republicans telling these lies. They are Bernie Sanders supporters.

      • MissNomer

        But that’s exactly what Sanders supporters do – repeat nonfactual memes endlessly despite evidence to the contrary. They’re even recycling old GOP crap from the 90s – “The Clinton Chronicles” no less.

        All my FB info is now hidden (so maybe it looks fake) because Bernie supporters threatened me. Their favorite insult is “cunt,” and they use it against Hillary and her supporters. I’ve gotten death and rape threats for correcting their lies. These are not GOP shills but actual real people – Bernie supporters. They ARE like rabid dogs.

        This is not an untruth. It is very real. It happens every day, hundreds of times a day. It is terrifying. Bernie would be ashamed of them.

      • Guinnessmonkey

        Dude. That’s what YOU have been doing here today.

        You’re doing it in this very post.

  • LarkintheAM

    I was so enjoying the more adult and reasonable tenor of the Democratic candidates: policy and substance and a minimum of personal jibes and little party infighting. It was so refreshing. Seems we were fooling ourselves – highly disappointing, since this is an election the liberals can ill afford to lose, and not just because of partisanship. The country will never recover from the damage if any of the Republicans becomes president. Isn’t that more important than undermining each other? Guess not. Shame on Sanders, and shame on the DNC.

    • Zippy

      and they all wonder why so many in this country can’t stand politics of any sort…

      • LarkintheAM

        Exactly. They are all politicians in the end, and that sucks.

    • sw19womble

      Agreed. (White) gun nuts are roaming the streets. Planned Parenthood is under attack. Women’s bodies are treated like storage facilities (but with less legal rights). We’re blowing up the Middle East (again). Freedom of/from religion is a joke. A potentially pivotal period of SCOTUS appointments coming up…

      This custard pie fight would be funny if it wasn’t so serious.

  • Juan de Fuca
    • thenearesthippie

      “Let’s not tell mom about this, okay?”

  • Joshua Norton

    But I think Hillary saying she wanted to carpet bomb his campaign until the sand glows was a bit over the top.

    • Msgr_Moment

      As long as the curtains glow as brightly.

  • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

    FUCK Wasserman-Schultz. She’s proven herself to be an agent for the Clinton campaign. This whole thing stinks to hell. Sanders didn’t do this. It’s an excuse to ruin his campaign and anyone with two brain cells to rub together sees that.

    • Mr Corrections

      Um, there’s hard evidence that four members of his staff – including the single one who has been fired so far, who was the national data director – did in fact do this, and planned to do it again.

      • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

        “Planned to do it again” – any reference for that, first day poster boy? Seriously? Plannned to do it again? You just thought you’d add that bit of “spice” did you? You should be banhammered for that. I know it won’t happen.

        • Guinnessmonkey

          *eyeroll*

          Go sit in the corner and count to ten, nutjob.

        • Mr Corrections

          It’s right there in the article, where it discusses the security audits – they were granting access to other accounts, and setting up new accounts with access to that data. There’s no other way to read that – unless, of course, you are a partisan conspiracy theorist who somehow thinks that electing Clinton would be worse than electing a Republican (but who would be that fucking stupid?)

          • Steverino247

            Here is what we know, as of now:

            Blocking a campaign’s access
            to the voter file absolutely cripples its ability to identify
            supporters, mobilize volunteers, and fundraise.

            When the DNC cut off Bernie’s access to the voter file, they violated the contract they had with the campaign — potentially breaking the law.

            Even though the Sanders
            campaign alerted NGP VAN (the data vendor) to the problem and cooperated
            with the Democratic National Committee, the DNC decided to hold all of
            Bernie’s campaign data hostage for nearly 24 hours, at a cost of nearly $600,000, according to the campaign.

            Bernie’s staff discovered a
            security glitch that could have exposed the data of their vast network
            of donors and primary state supporters. So they took swift action to
            prove the extent of NGP VAN’s failure and fix the problem — because they knew that the information of real voters was central to their grassroots campaign and needed to be protected.

            Because the DNC establishment refused to fix this mess, Bernie was forced to sue the DNC
            to make them abide by their original contract and restore their access
            to the data the Sanders campaign added to the voter file. In the
            meantime, establishment Democrats did everything they could to convict
            Bernie in the court of public opinion.

          • MissNomer

            You left out that little tiny part where Bernie staffers stole valuable campaign information from his opponent. They stole exactly the kind of information Sanders is so furious about losing access to. Which is probably illegal, but definitely despicable.

            I’m sure leaving that out was just an oversight, right?

          • Steverino247

            You keep masterbating to that fantasy until Monday when more of the story comes out. Then, have a good cry when you learn Mr. Sanders is still in the race.

          • MissNomer
          • Steverino247

            That’s not information, that’s bullshit speculation.

          • Steverino247
          • Mr Corrections

            That’s absolute nonsense from start to finish. The people violating the law here most certainly weren’t the DNC (who are the private owners of a private database and can enforce their TOS as they see fit). Saying “you’re not allowed access to the database until you ensure the data that you stole is deleted” is the lightest possible response from the DNC. The rest of your post is outrageous victim blaming and bizarre copy-pasted attempts to downplay the seriousness of the misdeeds involved and the pathetic response from the Sanders campaign.

            The Sanders campaign is 100% in the wrong here, and their media appearances and press conferences have contained outright lies – I have zero sympathy for them, and none at all for the people who are attempting to handwave this away.

          • Steverino247

            Then fuck off. I’m sorry if the facts disturb you.

          • Mr Corrections

            The facts (and everything in my post is 100% factual) DO disturb me, that’s why I’m quite angry with the Sanders campaign. I also don’t like you trying to sweep them under the carpet.

          • Steverino247

            You’re barking mad, you know…

          • Mr Corrections

            Right, so your answer to the facts is “fuck off” and impugning the mental health of other posters. You’re definitely a class act.

          • Steverino247

            VIle snark mob. Read the instructions at the top of the page.

            Thus, the “new guy” warning I gave you some time ago. You don’t know how this site works and you’re only on it to bitch about Mr. Sanders. Wasn’t as much fun as you thought it was going to be, was it?

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry to burst your elitist bubble, but I’ve been here since this was a part of Gawker. You are terrible.

        • Msgr_Moment

          Late to the party here, but namecalling really does not help your case, dude.

    • zerosumgame0005

      yes that is the CT running around the FB’s now. and it sounds just as fucking stupid there as it does here.

  • thenearesthippie

    If this kerfuffle doesn’t turn up as a story line on The Good Wife I’m going to be sorely disappointed.

    • cousin itt

      Do you fry your kerfuffles in olive oil or canola?

      THIS MATTERS.

      • thenearesthippie

        I don’t usually fry and tell, but I use lard. It’s an old family tradition. We’re a short-lived family

        • cousin itt

          Well, it’s about time someone comes forward in defense of coronary heart disease.

  • dshwa

    Lots of stupid here and plenty to go around. The DNC for hiring incompetent web people. The Sander’s campaign for accessing it. The DNC for not handling this quietly and getting both campaign’s partisans sniping at each other and making us look as bad as the Republicans. Hillary for not telling the DNC to keep it quiet. Sanders for downplaying it. All of us for squabbling like children about it.

    • TheOtherHeadlessThompsonGunner

      And the news cycle (bane of our lives) has moved on from Trump’s “at least he’s a leader” in re: Putin’s “policy by assassination” approach to governance.

      Good job, Dems!

    • zerosumgame0005

      the second you write a chunk of perfect code let us know

      • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

        Bah. This isn’t hard. This is completely incompetent on the part of the contractor.

        • zerosumgame0005

          you have no clue

          • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

            I have been a Unix/Linux sysadmin/devops for 25 years. I have a clue. They’re incompetent. This is easy. Sorry, go back to trying to fool simpletons. And I could write a very simple script to replace your account and no one would notice.

          • cousin itt

            It was Mrs. Peacock with a dildo used by Miss Scarlett in Peacock’s basement.

          • Msgr_Moment

            That weren’t no candlestick.

          • leemoder

            And those aren’t pillows!

          • pumpkinspiceheroincat

            Woo!

          • zerosumgame0005

            why not? you have already done it to yours

          • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

            What are your credentials, dipshit, besides collecting action figures?

          • zerosumgame0005

            gee, you lied when you stomped your widdle feetsies and cried like a baby when you said bye! man you are a liar!

          • Juan de Fuca

            Hahahahaha. Oh my god. Wooooo…
            Sorry.

    • Zippy

      the good news is- we’re not squabbling nearly as bad as they are on other lefty sites

      (maybe that’s not such good news)

      • cousin itt

        Nah, that’s why I quit all of them except TPM.

        Leave the drama fo’ yo’ mama.

      • dshwa

        I really meant all of us as in liberals, not just the comments here. If they were allowed.

        • Zippy

          that too

      • zerosumgame0005

        cappy wingtardd is sure trying to pick a fight and toss out lies

      • TheOtherHeadlessThompsonGunner

        Who wants to fight when they’re drunk and pantsless? I can’t be the only one.

        • Juan de Fuca

          You don’t know an Access Control List from a VLAN bro!

        • Zippy

          we have to be drunk to be pantless?

          Shit…

          • TheOtherHeadlessThompsonGunner

            Course not. Just gives you more options, or fewer inhibitions, which means more options, if you are.

          • Zippy

            I’m working on the drunk part, but the waitress keeps looking at me funny and doesn’t want to bring me more drinks

          • TheOtherHeadlessThompsonGunner

            I went to law school and distinctly recall learning that public decency statutes are really just suggestions.

          • pumpkinspiceheroincat

            That’s because you’re in a veterinary clinic, not a bar.

          • TheOtherHeadlessThompsonGunner

            Someone’s getting neutered . . .

      • pumpkinspiceheroincat

        Well, it’s still early.

    • Mr Corrections

      I actually think the DNC didn’t make this public – as far as I can tell the Sanders campaign did (could be wrong, but that’s the impression I get from way the timing of the statements/press conferences appears in a couple of different stories).

      • dshwa

        As soon as the DNC blocked access to the website it was guaranteed to erupt into a public fight. That was stupid on their part.

        • Mr Corrections

          I can’t see that they had a choice. The Sanders campaign refused to fire most of the guilty staffers, and refused to verify that the Clinton data they stole was deleted.

          • dshwa

            And yet according to the Sander’s campaign’s press release, they made no changes to what they’d already done and the DNC let them back in. If that’s true, or even if there were tweaks to what they’d done made by the Sander’s campaign, the whole thing got settled quickly once the lawsuit got filed. Which begs the question of why go through the whole thing in the first place? Unnecessary theatrics that served no positive purpose and multiple negatives.

          • Mr Corrections

            Just because the DNC caved in to what I would characterise as bullying and a smear campaign, doesn’t make them wrong to have done what they did.

          • dshwa

            Right and stupid are not mutually exclusive. The DNC might not have been wrong, but they were stupid all the same.

          • Mr Corrections

            What did they do that was stupid? I initially thought they’d overreacted, but it turns out their demands were quite reasonable and would have been easy for the Sanders campaign to meet. I genuinely don’t see what else they could have done.

          • dshwa

            They let it go public, by cutting off access. Changed the news cycle away from the crazy of the Republican debate. Let the media scurry back to their comfortable “both sides do it” narrative. I’ve already covered why it was stupid.

          • Mr Corrections

            The Sanders team are the ones who went public, though. They could have done the responsible (and easy) thing, deleted the data, and not tried to frame this as a Big Conspiracy against them. I’m not saying the DNC is perfect, and I’m sure as hell not defending DWS, but I’m having real difficulty seeing how any of this isn’t entirely of the Sanders campaign’s manufacture.

          • dshwa

            As I already said, blocking access guaranteed Sanders would almost certainly go to court to get the access back. The DNC should have anticipated that and figured out a way to deal with it other than one certain to make the fight public. That’s why they’re stupid.

          • Mr Corrections

            That appears to be the penalty specified in the contract (which I haven’t read, just to be clear), as well as standard practice in IT – when someone starts hacking you, you block them. The fact that the Sanders team was going to overreact and pretend that this was an attack doesn’t reflect poorly on the DNC at all; you should be directing your ire at the campaign who violated their TOS and then started threatening people with lawsuits.

          • dshwa

            I said the Sander’s campaign was stupid as well. All the involved parties were stupid. You are so fixated on one side having to be right and the other wrong that you’re missing my point.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m not missing your point, and I mostly agree. I just think it’s almost all on Sanders side, and much less on the DNC – just because you know someone is going to doing something bad is not a reason to not do the right thing.

          • TheOtherHeadlessThompsonGunner

            Nailed it.

          • dshwa

            Charlie Pierce nailed it. I’m just repeating what he said, although my initial reaction was similar.

          • TheOtherHeadlessThompsonGunner

            Look at you, attributing your sources.

            (I think Pierce is one of the best political writers we have today. And I like his unalloyed anger at corruption and stupidity.)

          • TheOtherHeadlessThompsonGunner

            Also, DWS’s stupid and illegal attempt to sanction the Sanders campaign and Sanders’ necessary legal response to it just gave the media another “angle” for the piece. And that’s all on the DNC/DWS.

            Sorry, I see I basically repeated dshwa. I am a dumb.

          • dshwa

            More of a great minds thing.

          • TheOtherHeadlessThompsonGunner

            Ha! Thanks.

            I’ll just add that this is why I think DWS is truly stupid: HRC, for good or ill, is virtually certain to get the nomination. So DWS doesn’t need to push so hard at this point to help her. The mangled debate scheduling is more than enough by itself to angle things heavily in HRC’s favor. I’m also wondering why the fuck HRC, being the canny political thinker she is (and she is), didn’t keep DWS from misstepping so badly, both in terms of her actions and public statements before and after the attempt to sanction Sanders. That seems unusually inept on HRC’s part, since it’s in her interest to minimize the story as much as possible as well.

          • dshwa

            I’m assuming DWS simply acted without checking in with Hillary first. If that was happening and it came out, matters would be so much worse. HRC is too smart to have DWS getting approvals for her activities at the DNC. That would open up narrative the could damage Clinton.

          • TheOtherHeadlessThompsonGunner

            I can’t think DWS orders a tuna melt for lunch without coordination, even sub rosa, with HRC’s campaign. But what do I know?

          • dshwa

            It’s certainly possible you’re right. I just feel HRC is smart enough to not have any coordination with the DNC beyond what any other candidate has until she’s the last one standing because the optics of it would be so bad. Say what you want about the Clinton’s, but you can’t deny their political savvy.

  • Juan de Fuca

    Bernie’s campaign stole my personal data that Hillary’s campaign had on me that I didn’t know she had on me and I am outraged at him!

    • cousin itt

      I didn’t know you didn’t know that I didn’t know that you didn’t have it.

      • Juan de Fuca

        I know!

        • cousin itt

          IKR!

          • Zippy

            Tyler knew

            (oldz movie reference)

          • cousin itt

            And Tippy’s horseshoe?

            And Tipper’s canoe?

            Too soon?

          • Zippy

            predates Tipper- 1985, with Timothy Hutton. I used to have a bumper sticker that said Reagan knew. Back then people actually knew what I was talking about, lol

          • cousin itt

            Ah yes. And his dad. I recall watching “Ordinary People” and marveling how they got my family dead-on right. Sad.

          • Juan de Fuca

            Classic.

          • Amy!

            Turk 182!

            (ETA: saw it in a real theater when it came out, on a date. got laid, long time. driving home in the morning in a post-coital haze, and a deep fog, went across a tee where i thought a crossroads was and put my car nose down in a six-foot deep irrigation ditch. walked the rest of the way, and then spent another day getting my car back from the clown that had it towed and wanted a ransom for “damage to the ditch”. personal story more memorable (to me) than the movie plot, but i remember the brother in the hospital and the younger one on the bridge)

          • TheOtherHeadlessThompsonGunner

            . . . Damn

          • Zippy

            no kidding- the movie was pretty good, but damn!

          • cousin itt

            When I got in my old ’69 Buick on may 26, 1977, I, for the love of the FSM, thought I was behind the controls of an X-wing fighter. I turned the key and saw the stars zoom past me. Then, I drove out of the parking lot in Overland Park, Kansas and into Imperial traffic. Still, I fight the good fight at Rush Hour.

          • Msgr_Moment

      • sw19womble

        “Little did he know that this simple, seemingly innocuous act would lead to his imminent death.”

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9Rx6xPUwvQ

  • zerosumgame0005

    having worked in the IT line for a while, it is a fact that when you apply a patch shit happens. taking advantage of that shit is a shitty thing to do

    • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

      Go back to the helpdesk, we expect adults to be in charge here.

      • zerosumgame0005

        your middle name sure does apply…

      • zerosumgame0005

        and just to be clear when a particular PC goes wonky it is because other wingtardds have installed malware from shopping sites because they think they are all powerful “sysadmins” and better then “you people” and end up whining when they have not backed up for months and we have to wipe and dump a new image on the PC. your kind get no sympathy from actual people who actually work instead of browsing Amazon and FB all day

        • Juan de Fuca

          You don’t know an Access Control List from a VLAN bro!

          ETA: Let him sleep it off mate ;)

          • zerosumgame0005

            I have a feeling this one has a permanent head-up-his-ass syndrome

        • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

          You’re confusing “sysadmin” with “helpdesk manager”. I know that’s all you’ve got, but it’s not reality. Perhaps you could be helpdesk manager someday, with all your talk of “imaging pc’s” “wiping” and what not. I have not touched a “pc” in 20 years.

          • Mr Corrections

            jesus christ what is this

      • DonnaDiva

        Adults don’t take what isn’t theirs and, when caught, tell a risible story about how they compiled 24 lists of stolen data and shared it with three other people because they were playing Amateur CSI in order to demonstrate there was a data breach.

  • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

    The tone of this article is so out of line I want to vomit. Kali, I frankly don’t care if you luv Hillary and want to have her hybrid republican/financier class babies. What I don’t like is you pretending that everyone here will agree with you. You can be assured there are MANY Sanders supporters who are long time commenters here, myself included. This sort of crap just pisses me off. Bye.

    • Guinnessmonkey

      Ok. Bye.

    • lovelydestruction

      Miss you

  • cousin itt

    This Weekend at Bernie’s will really suck the big one.

    • Juan de Fuca

      Predicting a news conferece this weekend where he will talk to the media about his perfectly inflated balls.

      • Takoma DC

        Ms.Clinton loves discussing her shiny perfumed balls. I just can’t figure out if she’ll do the press conference in a charmingly frail Arkansasian drawal, or a weary somewhat hoarse clipped east coast accent. She’s so versatile.

        • cousin itt

          Her Schweddy Balls or GTFO.

  • cousin itt

    I know we’re like eleventy million non-existent comments into this one but what were the Sanders’ people doing–always monitoring the Clinton firewalls or digital space or whatever the fuck you IT people know about the boundaries of protected information?

    Was it an “accident” that some staffer tripped on the bailing wire into the cow pasture of sweet Clinton data? Orrrrrr, is there constant cyber-war going on all across the freaking Intertubes?

    • lovelydestruction

      Each campaign shares access to a DNC database with information that is partially redacted to name address phone. The details of these people as to how likely they were to vote Clinton or Sanders, undecideds, whether they were hardcore supporters,etc, is considered private strategic data and was supposed to be behind firewalls for each respective campaign.
      I assume tech heads can recognize a breach in a firewall relatively easily.

  • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

    For the useless librul arts majors

    • cousin itt

      Portrait of the Four Derparchs?

      I am useless.

      • Zippy

        I believe it’s four of the Nazgûl

        • cousin itt

          Great. Just when I thought I was the biggest useless nerd in the room, I get upnerded.

          • Juan de Fuca

            I was going with Arn Anderson, Ole Anderson, Rick Flair and Tully Blanchard – from Constantinople, TN. Managed by the seductive Lucretia.

        • Rick Hill

          Four Nozdrul?

  • bobbert

    Jesus Hussein Christ. You telling me even the Democrats cannot (or can’t be bothered to) perform elementary database security?

  • Zippy

    FWIW The Sanders campaign and the DNC have already reached a deal avoiding any lawsuits and restoring access to the database

    • Juan de Fuca

      Aww hell naw. There hasn’t even been one “fuck you!” up in here yet.
      Seriously though, that is very good news, Zip.

      • BeliTsari

        Well, had Libruls ever WATCHED The Dukes of Hazard, they dun would’ve lurn’d em to take advantage of predictable actions on the part of speciously obtuse, pathetically parsimonious adversaries? Mungo LUVS Sheriff Bart!

    • cousin itt

      Democrats. Always finding a way to compromise and avoid further bloodshed.

    • CT

      Thanks Zippy. I’ve said some stuff about my perceived bias that you have. You have been very straight up and I apologize for talking shit to you under another name on another article. This has been a straight up win for the republicans, and has an air of manufacturing, but I’m paranoid as hell, so I could be wrong.

  • 19th Amendment

    Blech. I’m all for civil democratic discussion but, man, I despise Democratic primary season when we act like conservatives eating their own. These recent events are embarrassing for the party of Democrats, progressives and liberals. While we’re relieved the DNC has released the property back to Sanders’ campaign, the battling amongst voters continues on. All I can foresee, in this moment, is a good group of people splitting in half, leading to a Republican in the White House nominating tea partiers to the Supreme Court.

    • Takoma DC

      This will be forgotten about as soon as we have our scheduled Christmas cop kills unarmed citizen story and certainly by the time the New Years’ terrorist attact unfolds.

    • Nice try, you faker. I’m still voting Team Jacob this primary season! (That’s the way this works, right?)

  • doktorzoom

    As your Comments Moderator I just want you to know that you’ve all been very naughty and nobody gets any ice cream.

    Oh, I can’t stay mad at you. Come here, you big dopes and promise to get along, will ya?

    • CT

      This all just smells really bad, good ol’ Dok….. Need to get primary season over with, before this tenuous cease fire blows apart.

    • Takoma DC

      If we can’t have ice cream may we have gin? It’s almost 11 am. Please?

    • IronPyrite

      Mocha Roca for me, thanks!

      (Still a wee bit early for a house call from Dr. James Beam.)

      Also, I resent you calling me a dope…I’m a knucklehead.

    • DrShitferbrains

      We are in rare form here, and that speaks to the underlying danger of the whole situation creating a real division of bad blood into next November.

      We could always just vote for O’Malley
      (ducks)

    • pumpkinspiceheroincat

      I was promised some Loving Correction and I WILL be Lovingly Corrected!

      • TheOtherHeadlessThompsonGunner

        I will not go with the obvious Monty Python line, I will not go with the obvious Monty Python line, I’m not a high school dork any longer, I will not go with the obvious Monty Python line . . .

        • pumpkinspiceheroincat

          Having seen the new Star Wars, might I suggest you go with the Dark Side?

          Also, high school dork YOU WISH.

          • TheOtherHeadlessThompsonGunner

            There’s a new Stars War? Huh.

            (As for the Dark Side, I’ve long since established residency. Here, let me show you.)

          • TheOtherHeadlessThompsonGunner

            I think Donna Rose eated my first reply to you. But I . . . had a reply in reponse. I said a thing. I did.

  • SmotPoker

    It’s just an odd coincidence that NGP VAN is operated by a DWS cousin….

    Nothing to see here…

    • MD

      yes, a good ole conspiracy theory to make sense of something you do not want to believe. Sander’s campaign is ran by people who, like all humans, can do stupid things. but why believe that when you can have a conspiracy about the DNC and Clinton. Smart. You’re like a trump supporter. Create the facts you prefer as opposed to dealing with the facts you have. Brilliant.

  • CT

    The tone of this article really pissed me off. Never have been a fan of Kaili’s writing, been more of a Zoom and Evan person, myself for the very reason this article made clear in the comments. The article was just very immature. Schadenfreude, like this shit, is REALLY not needed.

    • sw19womble

      I understand what you’re saying, but it’s a blog. The writers have their favourites, and they’re paid to be snarky.
      Sanders done fucked up – probably through naivety and trusting an ‘open door’ policy to volunteers… but again, that’s the kind of shit that you don’t want to see a potential POTUS make.
      I see it as a learning experience, and hopefully Team Sanders will tighten things up now…. especially as DWS is a known Clinton asslicker (and incompetent) who will do anything to help her BFF.
      I do agree with you that, Bernie HRC – even O’Malley! – the Democrats need to win next year, to stop any of those right-wing fucknuts in the GOP from being in power and fucking the entire planet up.

      • TheOtherHeadlessThompsonGunner

        And Wonketers have their favorites too, also. Which is just a thing; it’s not always All of them, Katie around here. Which is also just a thing. Crooked timber of humanity and all that. (I think I win the coveted First Kant Reference of the Weekend Award.)

        That said, I could see any of the regular contributors writing pretty much the same piece, substance-wise, given the underlying facts and the importance of the story.

        • Takoma DC

          Where’s the “importance” if this story? Nothing critical or “snarky” about DNC or DWS? No mention of how DWS should have recused herself? No pondering on how could Sanders’ staff be aware and not also too probably HRC’s? No musings on the timing of this story or why DWS went to the Washington Post with all the juicy details? Or why DWS didn’t quickly fire the IT contractor when Sanders’ campaign notified her and the DNC in October of the breach? Why wait 2.5 months?

          • TheOtherHeadlessThompsonGunner

            I think those are relevant questions (and posted a similar, if less detailed, comment yesterday). I just think, though, that the story stands up even without taking up every possible angle. Kaili made her choices about what to focus on, and my sense is that those choices are defensible, especially as an initial piece on the topic.

      • Takoma DC

        I don’t believe Sanders naive at all. He’s been in politics longer than HRC. He doesn’t suffer fools gladly. He’s been discounted much of his career. He’s had to defend his democratic socialist party choice.

        Imho something is very strange about this story.

        • MD

          wow, you are so in the tank for Sanders that if he were to shoot a man on national tV you would likely say, “I am sure Sanders had a good reason for it.” Like a Trump supporter would. How lovely to see that sort of blind allegiance to personality on our side as well.

          • Takoma DC

            When HRC wins the nomination I’ll be voting for her.

            0 “blind allegiance” from me. We are talking about politicians – right?

            Sanders is not a stupid person and he’s not naïve. More importantly, his record of consistently being one of the most ethically minded and morally motivated, as well as, one of the most honest politicians in Washington cannot be disputed.

            If not for Sanders entering the race HRC would not have any platform. It surprises me how Clinton supporters gave their undying support when she was travelling around smiling and waving at people saying absolutely nothing. It wasn’t until Sanders arrived when she realized it wasn’t a walk but a race.

            Did Sanders find out about the breach and tell his minions to mine for fool’s gold – the data is and was useless – but Sanders thought it valuable enough to bruise his moral compass? Or Sanders was never told? He was informed and told DNC and expected his team to be as ethical as himself? He was informed by his staff about the breach and he placed his fingers in his ears shouting “I can’t hear you! I can’t hear you.” Accidentally on purpose permitting (wink-wink) a few staffers to follow their 20-something-geeky-millennial-morally-free-self-entitled-immature-Mr Robot-stealth-souls to give in to that shining beacon of sexy screaming-to-be-burgled-breach and steal useless data?

            If he shot someone on his front porch, in his hotel room, or on nat’l tv I would question his story a million times over.

            I give HRC the benefit of the doubt when she refuses to answer questions. When she’s dismissive of the media. When her story changes for the 3rd and 4th time.

            They are politicians after all.

          • Mr Corrections

            Nobody is saying Sanders had anything to do with the actual crime. So far, though, the response of his campaign has been anything but “ethical” – they haven’t fired most of the people responsible, and they’ve given no assurances that the stolen data has been destroyed. Instead, they did press conferences where they claimed the middle-aged head of their data infrastructure, his 30something deputy, and the other two people involved in what gives every appearance of being a premeditated attempt at espionage were somehow a “young” and junior IT employee engaged in light pranks, and they were being victimised by the DNC who were asking them only to delete the stolen data before they were allowed access to the database. It’s outrageous that anybody thinks this is acceptable behaviour.

          • Takoma DC

            I agree that others should lose their jobs. However, I don’t know how you prove information destroyed?

          • Mr Corrections

            That’s actually a really interesting question, but answer I give would be deeply tedious and complicated.

          • MissNomer

            It can and it should be disputed.

          • Takoma DC

            HRC winning the nomination?

    • MD

      I have to say, I found myself rethinking reading it after the very first sentence. It’s too kiddish to even be called an article or blog. It’s like a teenager’s diary entry

    • LOL. You’re adorable.

  • Celia

    I don’t care. I’ll still vote for him as he is preferable to Clinton.

  • Msgr_Moment

    I’m sure is been said, but BERNIEGHAZZZZZIIIIII!

  • kfreed

    If you’re dumb enough to allow Libertarians and former Romney aides into your bedroom, be prepared to have your pantie drawer raided.

    This “accidental breach” couldn’t possibly have been foreseen: “Legion of Tech Volunteers Lead a Charge for Bernie Sanders”: “They came forward of their own volition, with hundreds joining a Coders for Sanders thread on Reddit.”: They include former aides to Mitt Romney, self-described libertarians,
    high school students.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/us/politics/bernie-sanders-presidential-campaign-tech-supporters.html

    Because theirs nothing closer to a Libertarian GOPer free marketeer’s heart than a Socialist, right?

    • Comrade Wingtardd 5467p

      I don’t think the volunteers have anything to do with the breach activity. They are coding the apps and website, to my knowledge they don’t have much to do with the campaign as run inside the office. This was a problem with employees.

      • kfreed

        Yeah. “Hi, we’re from Koch central, and we’re here to help.”

    • Truthiness2U

      This was done by Bernie’s tech director, and his Deputy Director of technology, and other staffers, not some disgruntled Romney Libertarian Ayn Rand teat-sucking, volunteers.

      An independent audit shows who did the stealing, and that it was highly specialized to the first few states of primaries, and highly selected data (like not looking for people who floved Hillary, but might have been squishier, and therefore turnable), and was done for over 40 minutes.

      My gabber is honestly flabbered by the conspiracy theories I see around this situation, the lack of facts, and totally not just acknowledging that parts of Bernie’s employees/organization fucked up. Not the end of the world. But they did it.

      I like Bernie fine (had been planning to vote for him), but I’m officially over the vast majority of his supporters, and some of his campaign leaders. Devine and Weaver are DWS levels of bad to me.

      • Takoma DC

        So do you think a majority of his staffers corrupt? Inept? A combination?

        • MissNomer

          Yes.

        • Everybodhi

          He needs to go ahead and fire Weaver, that guy is going to ruin his campaign.

  • Rick Hill

    A Bernie ayute mah data!

  • Donna Schoenkopf

    Having spent years of my life using the VAN list to call “millions” of Democrats over the years, I am here to say there is NOTHING on them except their name, address and phone number. Nobody I know has spent time asking questions about issues. There isn’t even a place to put their answers if they did. There are boxes to check if they say they’re gonna vote or not. Just sayin’

    • Takoma DC

      Yet some insist Clinton is the “victim” of the story. Sniff, sniff.

      • MD

        She sort of is the victim. I am starting to dislike Sanders supporters like I dislike Trump supporters because the first instinct is to minimize that Sanders campaign has done and attack opposition even if its sanders campaign that did the dirt. how in the WORLD could anyone of logical mind read that his campaign stole information, change its story 4 times about how it happened, claimed it did so just to prove it can be done and to help and you turn around and say Clinton is the bad guy? I like supporting people but I refuse to lose my wisdom and insight due to blind allegiance.

        • Takoma DC

          Same as we put our faith and trust in Clinton’s changing server story. We even trusted her when she was refusing to answer questions.

          The important words are “sort of.”

          It was completely unethical. However the info gleaned and stolen data useless.

          The real story to me is why DWS hired this particular IT contractor? Why DWS did not immediately fire them whe in October Sanders’ people informed her? How long has DNC used this particular contractor? If different from 2012, why the change? On Wednesday, DWS took the story to the Washington Post – why? Due to her close relationship, why didn’t DWS recuse herself from the investigation? How if Sanders’ staffers knew of the breach, didn’t HRC and her staffers know as well? If they were aware, did they know because of Sanders’ people telling DNC, or they figured out on their own! If the latter, did they also inform DNC? What will more extensive data forensics show? For example, were Sanders’ staffers the only people to exploit the breach? Or did perhaps HRC’s people peep-n-thief too?

          • kfreed

            My short email missive to both the Sanders and Clinton campaigns:

            Subject: who is responsible for inviting Libertarians and former
            Romney aides to “assist” with tech on the Sanders campaign?

            About that data breach. Please share this with Bernie Sanders. You’re being set up to go at each other and they’re already circulating petitions (MoveOn/White House.gov) to oust Debbie Wasserman-Schultz. Keep your eye on the GOP, Libertarians, and the so-called “progressive” Netroots:

            New York Times, Sept. 3, 2015: “Legion of Tech Volunteers
            Lead a Charge for Bernie Sanders”

            “They are a diverse bunch, too: Ms. Perdomo said FeeltheBern.org had grown to 125 volunteers “from every
            demographic I could imagine.” They include former aides to Mitt Romney, self-described libertarians, high school students (“Because I’m young, I can’t vote, so this is a great way to get involved,” said Justin Zheng, 14, of San Mateo, Calif.) and even an Australian programmer, Jordie Bodlay, who said a Sanders administration would indirectly improve his own life in Sydney.”

            Nearly everyone interviewed had never been politically involved before, and most cited Mr. Sanders’s views on issues like income inequality or his unconventional style of campaigning.”
            http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/us/politics/bernie-sanders-presidential-campaign-tech-supporters.html

            Sure, because Libertarian and GOP free marketeers love nothing better than a “Soshulist.” Have we been asleep these past seven years?

            A supposed Bernie Sanders supporter at Salon.com: Sunday, Dec 6, 2015:

            “Just let the Republicans win: Maybe things need to get really bad before America wakes up – A GOP victory would bring disaster. Perhaps that’s necessary to destroy their credibility — and wake up Democrats” http://www.salon.com/2015/12/06/just_let_the_republicans_win_maybe_things_need_to_get_really_bad_before_america_wakes_up/

            Daily Kos response to Salon: “The privileged idiocy of ‘Just let the Republicans win'”
            http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/12/13/1458098/-The-privileged-idiocy-of-Just-let-the-Republicans-win

            Bernie “supporter” Libertarian Glenn Greenwald not too
            fond of “socialist/collectivist pacifists” it turns out:

            Glenn Greenwald, Unclaimed Territory: Friday, November
            04, 2005

            “The reality of Latin American reaction to Bush”

            “George Bush is here in Latin America this week, visiting Brazil and Argentina, and the standard reports of the American media are trying to depict a handful of isolated, juvenile socialist-organized “demonstrations” as some sort of sweeping, popular mass protest against Bush’s visit, thereby suggesting, yet again, that the Administration’s policies are flawed because people in other countries dislike Bush. As usual, the truth is vastly different than what the U.S. media is reporting (see UPDATE below)
            .
            It is true that in this region (as is true for the U.S.), there remains a small, fervent band of left-wing fanatics with crazed enthusiasm for the worn-out, socialist/collectivist policies which
            have condemned millions upon millions of people throughout Latin America to poverty unimaginable to even the poorest Americans. These putative “mass demonstrations” in Argentina and Brazil are, in reality, nothing more than a few isolated spray-painting incidents of trite pacifist slogans in Brasilia, and a
            Cindy Sheehan-like “rally” of hard-core Socialists in Argentina led by an obese, Castro-idolozing, retired soccer player who found time away from his decade-old cocaine addiction to show up wearing an oh-so-clever t-shirt showing Bush’s name
            spelled with a swastika.”
            http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/11/reality-of-latin-american-reaction-to.html

            Democratic Underground: “Memo to Bernie Sanders supporters – If you’re going to post an article bashing Hillary Clinton, you might want to do some research on the author and make sure they’re not a Rand Paul supporter.”
            http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251486827

            BTW, Bernie also needs to shed his campaign manager. He does not appear to have Bernie’s best interests at heart.

      • Truthiness2U

        Because Bernie is the victim instead. amirite?

        Bernie’s tech director, and four others under him, stole data. Saying ‘oh, it’s not useful data! so it doesn’t count that they stole it!’ doesn’t negate the stealing of it. And it certainly doesn’t explain why the Sanders campaign was going to sue the DNC by denied access to that so-called useless data, for 24 whole hours!

        DWS sucking, the DNC possibly being some arm for the Hillary campaign conspiracy theory or whatever, can simultaneously exist with Bernie’s campaign actually fucking up. Which they did. Not the end of the world, but they should own what they did, instead of blaming everyone else for their fuck-ups. DWS should be held responsible for her suckage, Bernie’s campaign is responsible for theirs. btw, having watched Tad Devine on Bloomberg about this? I trust him as much as I do DWS.

        • Takoma DC

          Never said Sanders was a victim. Never even inferred it.

          What his staffers did was completely wrong. They did own it.

          Now what?

          PS, I have no idea who Tad Devine is. I agree with what Dean and Pearce have said about the situation.

          • Steverino247

            Nor have I, but that doesn’t stop a good fantasy, I guess.

          • Truthiness2U

            Tad Devine is Bernie’s campaign director, and I highly recommend watching him on that Bloomberg “With All Due Respect.” http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/videos/2015-12-19/with-all-due-respect-12-18-15-

            And I haven’t seen them owing it. I’ve seen them prevaricate (oh it’s one low level guy), to outright lie (uhh he was to testing the security risk we warned them about –which there is no proof them warning the DNC). I’ve seen them fire one guy, when four people were involved, one of which who might have some “disciplinary action” is the Deputy Tech Director. I’ve seen the Sanders campaign float the idea about how maybe the Hillary campaign did the same thing, when an independent audit shows they didn’t.

            I agree, they should have been clean in the beginning, fired all those involved, and apologize. They didn’t do any of that, but they whinged when the DNC overreacted (maybe not, I’ve seen a good defense of why it was reasonable from a techie, Bernie supporter on DKos).

            How the Sanders campaign handled this, and how some people are reacting to when his people legitimately fuck up, is genuinely off-putting. The conspiracy theories, or blaming Hillary for this are disappointing. I should have known better, but yeah, I expected more from Bernie and his campaign.

      • Mr Corrections

        She was the owner of the stolen data, so yeah: the actual victim. How is this not obvious?

        • Takoma DC

          When someone steals your lunch out of the office fridge are you a victim? FFS.

          Mrs.Clinton is a “victim” of having completely useless data stolen. She’s also apparently a victim of not having very bright people working on her campaign. That poor lady!

          • Mr Corrections

            How is this incredibly valuable data “useless”? Also too, if someone breaks into my home and steals only a $15 answering machine (which happened to me), does that magically become not burglary? There’s exactly one victim – the person who has suffered a crime – in this story, and no matter how much spin you want to put on it, it’s Clinton.

          • Takoma DC

            Italilize all you like.

            The data is and was not valuable.

          • Mr Corrections

            According to whom? Why does that make a difference, in your book?

          • MissNomer

            Funny, it sure was valuable when Bernie’s guy called it “the lifeblood of any campaign.”

          • Takoma DC

            He was probably an old.

    • That_got_me_thinking

      The phone call list you use is the product of highly segmented data. You are not seeing everything in the database – specifically the strategy of how the data has been segmented. Nor are you seeing the notes that get made when contact with a voter is made. You are seeing a call list. That is all.

      • Takoma DC

        I’ve worked as a volunteer on presidential campaigns. Twice for Democrats. There aren’t any notes other than Supporter, Supports Other Candidate, Undecided, Republican, Not A Registered Voter.

        • That_got_me_thinking

          I’ve also worked on campaigns canvassing and phone banking. Those lists are parsed down versions of the bigger picture.

          • Takoma DC

            Please reread my 2nd paragraph. I was compiling data directly from people.

        • Janicen

          I’ve worked on a number of campaigns as well and I’ve worked off of lists that included notes with information relating to whether a voter is a committed supporter or soft as well as best times to call that person or whether or not the person is interested in volunteering. If it weren’t valuable information, Sander’s people wouldn’t have stolen it.

          • Takoma DC

            Thieves steal valueless shit all the time.

          • Janicen

            Well we agree that they are thieves. Doesn’t matter what is stolen, theft is theft.

          • Donna Schoenkopf

            We should NOT be fighting among ourselves. Let’s drop the name calling. I have no love for Hillary but I am not calling her names. So, if you are wanting something like a President Trump or President Cruz, keep on being vicious.

          • Takoma DC

            Pardon? Are you certain you replied to the correct comment? I never called Clinton any name. I have no idea what you’re talking about. I already made it explicitly clear I’ll be voting for her. Finding the actions of all parties involved strange and curious is not “name calling.” It’s called investigation or truth seeking. The word “thieves” is meant for Sanders’ staffers. So calm your worried brainz and enjoy the holidays.

          • Donna Schoenkopf

            Hmmmmm. Don’t be hating on Bernie’s people. Not cool.

        • Donna Schoenkopf

          Yep. That’s always what I had, too.

      • Donna Schoenkopf

        Thanks, I had no idea. I’ve done a lot of calling and never had a list that had a place to put any kind of information other than the bare minimum.

    • JD Mulvey

      Donna, you’re incorrect about the data stored in the VAN. Every organization that licenses the VAN maintains thir own dataset and can add all the additional voter info they want.

      So, for instance, if you’re working for a ballo measure campaign that organizes itself for that single issue, and purchases th database of current registered voters, then all they would have access to is that data (name, address, party and how often they’ve voted in recent elections).

      But let’s say you’re some big active group like AARP, or AFL-CIO, or the Democratic Party, and you’ve been involvd with many campaigns ovr the 10 years or so since the VAN was created. You have cumulative data about every voter you’ve talked to. If they said they were voting for Obama in 2012, it’s in there.

      Clinton’s data, at the very least, includes all the responses they got at the doors or on the phones during the 2008 campaign. It also may include any data they’ve gotten from any of her endorsers –which include some heavy hitters like AFSCME.

      Sanders, on the other hand, has very little data because he’s nver run before. He’s probably got great info on Vermont, and whatever has been shared with him by his endorsers like the Letter Carriers union, and that’s it. (Folks who are asking/making up the idea that Clinton’s people must have accessed Sanders’ data too, pay attention here.)

      So Donna, just because you personally didn’t have access to everything that’s stored, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Just because you weren’ using all the features, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. The VAN is designed to track exactly the issue information you claim “nobody” asks about. So you’re flat wrong.

      • Donna Schoenkopf

        Thanks! I appreciate you sharing that with me.

  • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

    I think Josh has it right here.

    • DrShitferbrains

      Yup I agree. The one thing we cannot afford is bad blood between our camps.

    • Takoma DC

      Good article. Thanks.

  • owen93

    Here you go folks. Read it and weep. Proof that Sanders Campaign Data lead Juretsky is lying through his teeth. The Sanders campaign leadership KNEW this was the truth but instead of coming clean they deflected. They are still deflecting by fund raising on their “Defeat” of the DNC ! The defeated nothing except their claim on honesty and integrity. http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/12/18/merged_document.pdf

    • Greb

      Could you please provide some analysis of what we’re seeing here? I can tell it isn’t raw data by reading it, but I’ll assume ftsoa that this is accurate and from a credible source– I’m still not sure how this invalidates the claim that only a few people in the Sanders campaign accessed this information. What about this in any way suggests Juretsky or anyone else in the campaign’s knowledge of this access? Perhaps there were one or two accesses, perhaps we will find out there were ten, I don’t know. It doesn’t mean that this is inherently an intentional act which cascades through the hierarchy of the campaign.

      • owen93

        I didn’t say that it “is inherently an intentional act which cascades through the hierarchy of the campaign.” and I don’t think that in any sense whatsoever. That particular link has been taken down. I guess the person who put it up got too much traffic from it. What it shows is Juretsky creating two new ID’s to use and giving another existing account full admin rights to everything. lists were generated of the under 30 and over 70 likely Clinton voters in the early voting states. Those lists were then stored in newly created personal folders in the personal home directories of those users. This took place for just a little over an hour. It has been reported that the vendor was tipped off by a third party, then locked down access by the Sanders campaign accounts and closed all user access to the new folders with the stolen data. It was perfectly reasonable to close access to ALL sanders campaign accounts because it is not unlikely that someone who would perform ONE breach would have other accounts to use.
        It is ALWAYS the coverup which does more damage than the revelation of the actual crime.

        • Greb

          I downloaded the link contents, looking at it now. I could re-post if you want. I’m still skeptical.

          1. What is the source of this document? Anyone can make an excel table and fill it with timeslots and summaries of server data. Not saying this isn’t legitimate, but I’m just wondering where it came from/who posted it.

          2. I’m not familiar with the internal structure of the VDB. Within the document, which actions are accesses into the HC campaign accounts.

          I’m inclined to agree with you that the cover up is worse than the act. I actually don’t see much wrong with them accessing the information experimentally in order to discover their own security risks.

  • That_got_me_thinking

    Off topic but if I finally reach into my pockets, separate the lint from the cash and give Wonkette all of the monies…will the constant T&A ads I get barraged with here disappear?

    • DrShitferbrains

      Click up top where it says “ad fewer.”

      • That_got_me_thinking

        :-)

  • MD

    Sanders is a nice man and I just do not think he would have anything to do with this. Debbie Walterman Schultz said she had to inform Sanders herself of the breach a day after it happened because his campaign staff didn’t. I think Sanders campaign is likely staffed by the same sort of blind legionnaires he has as supporters: extreme leftists who attack anyone or anything they see as corporatist or slightly moderate. Some of his most ardent supporters are nut cases and in fact it is that which makes me not want to follow him. What does it say about him that so many of his supporters as so extreme? I see them all the time online and have talked to these nut bags. Anarchists and socialists who never voted democrat before some of them. They remind me of liberal versions of Trump supporters. Nutty, loony and looking for a leader to blindly follow.

    • Mr Corrections

      Zippy made a much better comparison somewhere below – not Trump but Ron Paul.

      • Mr Corrections

        or I guess somewhere above if you’re the kind of heretic who sorts comments the wrong way

  • Greb

    First of all, they didn’t do anything with the data, and have opened their campaign to an independent audit.

    Second, Mrs. Schultz was the vice-chairwoman on Clinton’s ’08 campaign, and is clearly using her highly contested power within the DNC to make things easier for Clinton now.

    Thirdly, what makes you think that the Clinton campaign wasn’t also using the exploit? Individuals from the Sanders campaign were exploring a vulnerability because they were concerned about their own data being accessed. The ‘Open Door’ metaphor really only holds if the door is on a metaphorical house which both campaigns share. Doesn’t it seem a bit strange that the DNC would have such an absurd oversight? I mean, their firewall was literally turned off. Not broken, not hacked into, just turned off. In fact, the same thing happened about 45 days earlier, the Sanders campaign reported it out of concern for their own security, and no news was made.

    Now, of course, when Clinton is afraid of losing the campaign, they start kicking up dust.

    This level of blatant corruption makes me sick.

    • Takoma DC

      I keep wondering how Clinton staffers weren’t also exploiting the breach? I’m not justifying what Sanders’ staffers did, I just have a suspicion there’s more to this story.

      I did not know the firewall was turned off?! I’m even more suspicious now.

      • JD Mulvey

        You both sound like insane people. Thre’s zero basis for believing that Clinton was stealing data from Sanders –nor do you offer any plausible reason she’d do so –yet now that your brains have thunk it, you’ll declare it proven fact. I feel pretty confident you’ll both keep fucking that chicken til spring.

        • Takoma DC

          Wondering does not equal truth. Get a grip. I’m suspicious of the story. Sanders’ people were wrong. What they did was inexcusable. Others should be fired.

          Wondering about what others knew and possibly did (if anything) when the firewall was turned off is a legitimate concern. Never did I say it’s been reported. Or “I heard.” Or they must have too.

          But it is plausible.

          I’ll leave the chicken fucking to you.

          Good day!

          • JD Mulvey

            Mere plausibility is the new standard? Just want to be sure: going-forward you’re conceding that any “plausible” accusation against Bernie Sanders is fair game?

            I can probably dream up a few –but I wouldn’t, because I respect him and nobody deserves to have their reputation recklessly smeared by people inventing facts.

            Now explain why you think making up lies about people is okay.

          • Takoma DC

            No new standard. I’m not representing others.

            No lies. You seem to confuse investigating as a form of lying.

            We’re talking about politicians. None are above reproach. Not even Sanders.

          • JD Mulvey

            Now you’re “investigating”? Pretty nice word for “saying whatever defamatory thing pops into my head.”

          • Takoma DC

            You weren’t satisfied with “wondering.”

            You don’t care for “investigating.”

            Is it ok with you that I may wonder if Sanders knew what his people were doing?

            Would it be alright if I mused if Sanders told someone to tell someone to do it?

            Is it ok if I listen to and read further investigative journo pieces on this story?

            Try to enjoy your wknd Imagination Defamation.

          • JD Mulvey

            Look dude, you and your buddy were in full agreement on something you both pulled from your asses. It’s exactly the thing that your own candidate has pleaded with you not to do. Yet you can’t help yourself.

            The same treatment for your candidate would elicit howls of indignation, yet you have no ethical problem with doing it to the woman you think is evil. You’ve become what you hate and you don’t even know it.

          • Takoma DC

            No indignation from me. Sanders and his people should be investigated.

            You were probably diddling your chickens but Ill be voting for Clinton. I never said she was evil.

            Stop lying and making stuff up.

          • JD Mulvey

            No lies from me –though yours are right there for everyone to read.

            You think by accusing others of what you were caught doing, you’ll distract from your reprehensible claims and your slipshod ethics. Not working.

    • not ted danson

      THIS

    • Mr Corrections

      They not only didn’t “open their campaign to an independent audit” – which was basically the only precondition on them regaining access – but they certainly did something with the data: they downloaded it, and gave every impression of setting things up so they could steal it again later.

  • JD Mulvey

    This is a major screwup by the Sanders campaign, yet they’ve responded not with contrition but with lawyers, misrepresentations, press releases and dueling tweets.

    • Rich H

      They sued for good reason. It’s called discovery – now you know why the DNC was so quick to cover their corrupt asses.

      • JD Mulvey

        What’s called “discovery”? Is that a word you heard on the teevee?

        • Rich H

          I sure hope you don’t get what you wish for – because we’ll all have to pay for your ignorance.

          • Mr Corrections

            Pay how?

        • cleos_mom

          It’s called “discovery” in a lawsuit or criminal trial. That’s down the hall to the right.

        • craig klucas

          Let’s see who drags their heels with the “Independent Investigation”

  • An ethics breach (which I am not defending) is enough to potentially derail a Democrat’s campaign; meanwhile, Republicans keep announcing plans to turn the Constitution into toilet paper, and their popularity increases. Something is royally screwed up somewhere.

    • Rich H

      An ethics breach? Sure, it belongs to DWS, and Clinton. I hope it bites them in the ass.

      • Point still stands either way, though.

        • Rich H

          Yeah, I’m Sure Bernie was behind this.

          • Mick Smith

            Hey Bich H, it is me Chief Wahoo. don’t you post on Crooks and Liars anymore? Hope you are doing well and had a good Christmas.

          • Rich H

            Hey Chief, good to see you’re being your old, classy self. How many screen names do you use anyway?

            BTW no, I got banned by the hacks who run the place.

          • Mick Smith

            no way cuzz.. why ? You must have not complained about black people being oppressed enough!

          • Rich H

            I got sick of Karoli and Suzie peddling their non-stop BS and called them on it. Iron Pyrite and a few others got banned too. It was one big clusterf***.

          • MikesChinHair

            That is bogus dogg. You were the only cat I could stand on that site. I haven’t been around for a while. I used to get a kick out of left and left ruling with an iron fist and his little buddy ravensfan following him around like a little puppy dog going “yea, yea..see that, yea.”

            This is a site for homisexuals and feminists though, maybe check out some other places. Peace bro!

          • MikesChinHair

            And oh, you will pull your hair our on AlterNet. The “lead” moderator MarkusGarvey either likes you or he doesn’t.

            He is a good guy, but a bit of a hypocrite. You will see it if you hang out there.

          • Rich H

            I’ve noticed. IP got banned here too.

          • MikesChinHair

            They IP banned you on Alternet? Have you went to his other site. RawStory? LOL don’t waste you time, it is littered with pseudo intellectual teenagers that get on the net just to say the words “racist” and “bigot.” There is zero conversation.
            You can get around that IP ban for pretty cheap. Let me know if you want info.

          • Rich H

            Nah, I’ve got another computer at another location I can use if I feel like it – but there’s no need to go back to that shi*hole.

            One thing I’ve learned about hacksandliars is Amato lies just like the rest of his “team” (proven by people who’ve done meta searches) and Miss Kitty is a sock puppet for Karoli, Nicole and Suzie. Though someone has said they’ve actually met her – it could be the site team is allowed to post under her name.

            The place should be a raging dumpster fire.

          • MikesChinHair

            So you were IP banned on C&L not AlterNet, got it. Alternet has some decent commenters, but it has some Alex Jones types as well.

            Have a nice evening.

          • Rich H

            Thanks Mike, you too.

          • Mick Smith

            I laugh at people that people like me are serious on the internet. You were the only person that saw what I was doing.. LOL that place is full of some really odd cats.

          • Mick Smith

            Hello Iron Pyrite if you see this hope all is well!

  • Rich H

    Except he didn’t. Good job there Kaili Joy Gray. If they get tired of your Hillary cheerleading I’m sure you’ll find open arms at Hacks and Liars (whoops, crooksandliars).

    • Mr Corrections

      He didn’t what?

  • not ted danson

    Wow! Wonkette gets a story completely, totally, really really wrong! Great job!

    Don’t worry, i still sorta respect you. Just don’t let your in-the-bag-for-hillary-ness show so much next time.

    • Mr Corrections

      How is this story – verified by actual security documentation and multiple media outlets – “wrong”?

      • Grokenstein

        “Because I don’t WANT to believe it!!”

  • DrShitferbrains

    Jesus you guys.

    First of all, Kaili is the BEST THERE’S BEEN since Snipy.

    Second of all, there is no second of all, Kaili fucking rules and that’s all there is to it.

  • toomanyrappers
  • cleos_mom

    Haven’t even looked at the comments yet but I’m sure there’s been a firestorm of harrumphing and finger-shaking.

  • Patrick

    Terrible article by a terrible journalist. But this is what she wants folks – shock jock attention. Best solution: remember her name and her “Wonkette” (I’ve already blocked her domain on my firewall) and ignore her wherever she writes, wherever she appears. Maybe she’ll mature a little.

  • Peggy James

    It is very sad when a reporter is so desperate that she has to make up lies against an ethical an honest Bernie Sanders and his campaign (which people know is not true). but there are always the unsuspecting victims. Certainly not the way to ever get hillary or trump votes who both have not too honest of a long record. You must be a member of their corrupt party who’s desperation is getting sicker.

  • WampusKat

    Um… who might have predicted it? New York Times (Sept. 3, 2015): “Legion of Tech Volunteers Lead a Charge for Bernie Sanders”

    “They came forward of their own volition, with hundreds joining a Coders for Sanders thread on Reddit… “They include former aides to Mitt Romney, self-described libertarians, high school student”…
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/us/politics/bernie-sanders-presidential-campaign-tech-supporters.html

    Libertarians? These guys? “Rebels with a far right cause” http://inthesetimes.com/article/15406/rebels_with_a_far_right_cause

    Former Romney aides? Because Republicans love “Soshulism” so much? Have we been asleep since 2010?

    Bernie’s “supporters” sure have this winning elections thing down to a science: “Just let the Republicans win: Maybe things need to get really bad before America wakes up”
    http://www.salon.com/2015/12/06/just_let_the_republicans_win_maybe_things_need_to_get_really_bad_before_america_wakes_up/

    I’m pretty sure Bernie Sanders is NOT down with that strategy: :http://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers

    So… how come they’re all up in Bernie’s campaign… “helping”? Who invited them inside?

  • Casper Ghost

    Have any of you read the Anonymous data dump about Clinton? Anyone who votes for that b*tch should be thrown in prison for aiding and abetting. Want a QUALIFIED woman for President? Elizabeth Warren all day. Killary should be in prison.

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