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A man beloved by many, but most of all by his family.

Saturday evening, Troy and Kelli Goode of Memphis headed off to a Widespread Panic concert in nearby Southaven, Mississippi. What should have been a nice night off for two young parents ended with Troy, a 30-year-old chemical engineer, loving husband and devoted daddy of a 15-month-old, being hogtied by the Southaven police, and soon after dying in their custody. One of the family’s attorneys, Tim Edwards, explained the timeline of events to the Huffington Post:

The couple was driving away from the concert venue when Goode exited the vehicle near a local shopping center.

“He was intoxicated and his wife was driving,” Edwards said. “He was acting erratically and got out of the car for reasons unknown.”

Goode’s behavior prompted someone to call the Southaven Police Department. When officers arrived on the scene, Goode allegedly resisted arrest.[…]

Goode — who, according to Edwards, had asthma and carried an inhaler — was arrested for disorderly conduct. For reasons not yet clear, Goode was hogtied by officers and placed facedown on a stretcher belonging to a responding ambulance, the lawyer said.

Two hours later, the family was notified that Goode had died. And how? Well, Southaven Police Chief Tom Long first suggested that Goode was “acting erratically from an alleged LSD overdose,” which is interesting, because people really don’t die from LSD overdoses, even if, as has been reported in some outlets, dude did some acid that night. Kevin McCormack, another of the family’s attorneys, told Wonkette that it’s “extremely premature of the Southaven Police Department to say it was an LSD overdose,” considering how long it takes for full autopsy and toxicology reports to come back. But maybe these Mississippi officers are so experienced with the well-known American epidemic of acid-related cop deaths that they can just tell!

Desoto County D.A. John Champion claimed in a news conference to have seen a “preliminary report” on the autopsy, sans lab results, from which he drew the conclusion that “Goode’s death was possibly related to heart or lung related issues.” In another report on the same presser, Champion was quoted more specifically, saying, “Basically, (it was) a form of a heart attack. His heart was racing so heavy.” Champion also said he believes that his preliminary interpretation of the lab result-free autopsy report exonerates the arresting officers from charges of police misconduct, but then again, he also says the cops merely restrained Goode with leg irons, when EVERY WITNESS says they hogtied him.

Regardless of the exact cause of death, McCormack told Wonkette, “Everyone realizes that the real story here is how Troy was treated by the police. We have video of how he was treated. Everyone can see that they hogtied him. They strapped his head down while he was hogtied. It’s a shame that the Southaven Police Department isn’t focusing on their officers’ use of force.”

Here’s that video, taken by the son of local attorney David McLaughlin. In it, you can see that the police have hogtied Goode, even though Mississippi officials are apparently allergic to the word “hogtie.” Maybe they prefer to think of it as “that thing we like to do with our rope.” Note that at the 50-second mark, we can see Goode struggling, and witnesses say they can hear him screaming, “I can’t breathe!” A few seconds later, a witness notes how deadly white Goode looks, right before the officers on the scene get pissed off about how they’re being recorded:

And remember how Goode had asthma? A close friend of the family with detailed knowledge of the incident reports that Kelli Goode tried in vain to tell the officers that her husband had asthma and needed his inhaler, at which point they allegedly threatened to arrest her. This source’s account also describes Goode screaming, “I can’t breathe!”

 

A letter sent to Mississippi Attorney General Jim Hood, provided to Wonkette by the Goode family’s attorneys, states that Kelli Goode was told again that she would be arrested, if she followed her husband to the hospital, and that Troy Goode’s mother was similarly threatened when she contacted the hospital and was told her son was in “stable condition”:

goodeletterAnd then shortly after, the family learned that Troy Goode was dead. Golly gee, wonder if somebody was trying to cover somebody’s ass, the way the family was kept from the hospital and threatened with arrest? JUST ASKING QUESTIONS.

The same letter, seeking a full investigation from the state into all aspects of the case, sheds more light on what the officers allegedly did at the scene, and would you be surprised to hear tasers may have been involved? Only if you’re an idiot!

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Fun fact about hogtying: It’s considered to be an EXTREMELY dangerous practice, one which has been banned by more than a few large police departments. Because why?

In 1992, Dr. Donald Reay, the chief medical examiner of King County and Seattle, Wash., published a study on hog-tying and “positional asphyxia.” That’s the medical term for suffocation that occurs when a restrained subject is made to lie face down, resting mainly on his chest and abdomen.

Now that study was about how hogtying increases the chance of positional asphyxia in overweight people, but you know who ELSE might have trouble breathing in restraints like that? People who are in the middle of asthma attacks, because by definition, those people are having trouble breathing. Would you be surprised to learn that hogtying is widely used throughout Mississippi? No you wouldn’t, because you are NOT an idiot.

So did Goode die at the hospital from a heart attack caused by an “LSD overdose?” Was hogtying a person who may have been suffering an asthma attack at the time POSSIBLY involved? Was Goode actually still alive when he reached Baptist Memorial Hospital? We are just asking questions, and we’re going to go out on a limb and say the results from the full autopsy and toxicology reports should be fascinating. We might have known more, but police allegedly interfered with witnesses’ attempts to record the incident:

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And look, yr Wonkette is not a cop-hater. Events around the country the past few years have encouraged people to go to one extreme or another — from “Fuck Tha Police” to “the police can do no wrong, and if person A hadn’t been doing X, the cops wouldn’t have had to kill him!” But there do seem to be some problems out there, with the way SOME of those wearing badges, and SOME terrible, horrible, fucked up, very bad police departments out there handle the citizens they’re supposed to be Serving and Protecting. (It’s right in their goddamned motto!) And it’s especially concerning when people mysteriously die while in the custody of of police, though the official narrative tends to be that the person in custody must have done it to him or herself. Strange how that keeps happening, especially to people of color.

A YouCaring page has been set up to help Kelli Goode and her son going forward.

So … can we talk about police brutality and stuff now? Or is it Too Soon again? We never can figure out how the timing works on this subject.

[Huffington Post / The Commercial AppealPress release from Ballin, Ballin and Fishman, attorneys at law]

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  • cleanfront

    Black, white, brown … still not cool.

  • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

    “Are you African American or Latino?”

    “No.”

    “Take any acid lately?”

    “Maybe.”

    “That’ll do.”

    • drbloor

      You forgot, “Did you get it from a black guy?”

      • kindness

        The guy just came from a Widespread Panic show. Of course the guy was doing one drug or another. Widespread isn’t as fun with out it. Hippie punching at it’s finest. Oh, wait….the guy died. Bet Fox blames it on Obama & Hillary by the end of the day.

  • Michael Smith

    Jesus.

    But yeah, this will put the White Rights people in a tough spot. They are either going to have to stick to the same party line – I actually think a lot of them will say “well, was he intoxicated? they never answered that. If so, he shouldn’t have been driving a car.”

    Or they will just post it all over the web and cause a huge commotion and say “Where’s all the outrage? This guy could have been my son!!1!”

    • Laure

      But he wasn’t driving.

      • Michael Smith

        Right, yes. I missed that. I’m sure they can at least say “he shouldn’t have been resisting arrest.”

  • Brazilian Fart Porn

    I blame Obummer and his race card pulling!!1!!!!11!11eleventy-thousand!!

  • AngryBlakGuy

    …funny how “toxicology reports” that tarnish the victims credibility are released within 20 minutes of the victims EXECUTION death. But autopsies that determine the cause of death 6 to 8 weeks?!

    • willi0000000

      c’mon guy, it’s obvious . . . they smelled LSD on his breath.

  • ryp

    Talk about police brutality? This will be used to talk about how The Racism does not exist.

    • Michael Smith

      See? They murder all of us for no reason! Quit complaining!

    • AncienReggie

      I wish that weren’t true.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    So, is the inevitable RW tag line “but he was no angel” applicable when the victim is white and middle class?

    • Brother Yam

      He was on Teh Drugs, so he was a bad guy.

      • sw19womble

        If only there had been a good guy on drugs there, this would have never happened.

    • Lazy Media

      Pretty much, because drugs. I imagine the Fox and WND comment threads are full of “another junky on the trash heep; good riddence,” right now. I’m not gonna check.

    • memzilla

      It’s thet gol-durned music!

  • Viva La Tabula Raza

    Those cops were really pissed that they had to work instead of being able to attend the Widespread Panic concert; Troy was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

  • AngryBlakGuy

    …is “LSD” the white version of “Marijuana”, when it comes to the “I feared for my life defense”?!

    • AncienReggie

      The PCP claim was just too far-fetched.

  • Spurning Beer

    Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?

    • Ryan Denniston

      Cool, we get to live out 1984!

  • NorthStarSpanx

    I’ve heard of trumping up charges, but trumping up cause of death?

    • ManchuCandidate

      It’s the “PLEASE DON’T SUE THE FUCK OUT OF US!” Defense.

  • Oblios_Cap

    It sounds like he might have wearing an University of Arkansas shirt. That’s why they hog-tied him.

  • Michael Smith

    This situation could have used a few more barrel rolls.

  • Ricky Gay

    “If he had just not _ _ _ _ _ , this would not have happened” rinse, repeat, and fuck off.

    • nominalize

      Well it’s true though: If he had just not brutally bound an asthmatic detainee and let him suffocate, this would not have happened.

  • memzilla

    What’s this country coming to when Southron cops can’t just tase, falsely arrest, handcuff, hogtie, asphyxiate, and defame anyone they feel like doing?

    • sw19womble

      Is this what the Confederate Flaggists mean when they bang on about “tradition and history”?

      • Blank Ron

        Pretty much.

  • sw19womble

    That stuff about hogtying/positional asphyxia is fucking scary. :(

    • Sam Hain

      It’s the South, go figure…

      • Sadie

        It IS the South and it IS Mississippi but please don’t assume it is all of us. Some of us are pretty damn decent people. Although I’m aware it isn’t easy to determine.

        • Blank Ron

          You guys need to start wearing name tags.

    • Ryan Denniston

      The humidity already makes it hard to breathe in the summer.

  • Ryan Denniston

    Cops aren’t racists, we now have proof. They kill everybody! Billo is vindicated!

    Seriously, what an awful story.

  • Oblios_Cap

    Let the character assassination begin!

    That’s the only way to handle these embarrassing “situations”.

    • Yeah, it looks like they’re already pulling out the “heffed up on goofballs” line.

      • Zippy

        well, he can’t be a menacing thug- because not blah- so it’s must be the debbil’s drugs

  • I wouldn’t count on it. There was a time when I genuinely thought someone shooting up an elementary school would finally break the NRA’s clawed grip on the discourse over gun legislation in this country, but we know how that turned out…

  • Dylan Black

    I know its easy as an online observer to claim you would have acted differently, but I will say this: if a cop EVER tells me to stop recording something, he is going to have to take my phone/camera and cuff me to actually make me stop.

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      They will.

      • Dylan Black

        Yes and I will happily sit in jail for an evening just for the look of glee on my lawyer’s face as he tears them a new one.

        • Jen_Baker_VA

          assuming you live through the night. Your life is not worth the glee you might get from them being torn up in court, especially if you are no longer alive to watch it happen.
          That being said, forget the phone camera, I’mma gonna start going full out glasses camera spy era so they don’t know they’re getting filmed or something

          • Boscoe

            THIS. Bodycams for civilians.

  • Sam Hain

    Watch any of these videos of former Baltimore police officer Michael Wood talking about the systemic abuse of citizens and how he was taught that this is a war and we, the citizens are the ENEMY!!!
    https://www.google.com/search?q=officer+wood+baltimore&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=officer+michael+wood+baltimore&tbm=vid

  • Barbara Delaney

    Really? An LSD overdose? In 2015 that absurdity is still being used? Why do Southerners feel the need to furnish proof of their backwardness every single day?

    Not only can police not be trusted with firearms, they abuse tasers, handcuffs, batons, and every other piece of equipment they carry. I’m sick of the “one bad apple” bullshit that gets trotted out every time a cop kills, which is getting to be nauseatingly common. At this point I’m way more afraid of police than I am any of my fellow citizens.

    • HogeyeGrex

      At this point I’m way more afraid of police than I am any of my fellow citizens.

      Feature, not bug.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    You’d think he’d been at a pool party with black kids or something…

  • ManchuCandidate

    You know what would have stopped this?

    A good guy with a asthma inhaler.

    • Ryan Denniston

      I’d settle for a cop who could act like a damned professional.

      • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

        For the most part, military police are. What’s the difference? UCMJ, maybe?

        • Ryan Denniston

          Bost civvy cops are too, there are just too many of these incidents. UCMJ maybe, but also preparing for service in situations that can be far more dangerous probably has an impact too.

  • Pugsandcoffee

    Jesus, JESUS CHRIST.
    I mean, I’ve never had an ACTUAL run-in with Police, but aside from the once or twice I’ve actually spoken to them for directions or general information, they exude a menace that suggests they are ready to throw you to the ground and squirt mace up your butt for not showing the proper obeisance. This shit has got to change.

    • Michael Smith

      One time I had to get fingerprinted for a federal job – for some reason this required me to go to the actual police station, rather than like a UPS store, to do this. It was also back when they actually had to run your fingers in ink rather than pushing them on a digital screen like the do now.

      The officer treated me like I had just egged his mom’s house. My attempts to be nice were met with obvious suspicion as to my true intentions.

      • Pugsandcoffee

        I forgot my favorite dis-illusionist moment with a cop. I had just returned from living in Japan (I had only lived in NYC for about 6 months when I left for a job in Tokyo) and I was pick-pocketed on the train, which of course I only noticed when I got out at Times Square. I went to the police hub there and the cop…well, he was less than helpful. He pretty much blamed me for getting robbed and said he’d file a police report but he not only visibly didn’t want to, he said no one would actually look into it. IN FACT, he said I’d be better off just walking around Times Square digging through the trash cans.
        Thanks, officer.

        • Latverian Diplomat

          One of the underappreciated effects of the war on drugs is that it has pulled resources and priorities from fighting real crime. Random street busts for possession are easy, surefire convictions or plea bargains. Actual crimes that require investigations are hard, frustrating work. Who wants to do the latter when you can just do the former all day?

  • Antimassacree

    Time to repaint patrol cars: “To Serve and Protect” should read “Swift, Public, and Brutal.”

    • OrdinaryJoe

      “Judge, jury, executioner.”

      • Antimassacree

        “Warning: Any interaction with the officers in this vehicle could result in your summary execution.” (The fine print)

        • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

          “Warning: May or may not contain a canine.”

          • Playonwords

            Warning contains pea-brained nuts.

      • Blank Ron

        Are police departments issuing back numbers of 2000 AD as training manuals now?

  • Beowoof14

    I am not a fuck the police kind of guy. Too many friends on the force over the years. However, I am a fuck these guys type of guy. Mostly brought on by my cop friends who are just exasperated by this bullshit going on. Every arrest is treated as if they have caught a mad terrorist as opposed to a guy going home after having too much to drink.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Same here. I’ve met bad ones, and seen others whose forbearance in a volatile situation was almost superhuman. But the good ones really do have to start outing the rotten eggs instead of protecting them.

      • Spotts1701

        The problem is that it is almost impossible, short of mowing down a busload of nuns with their service weapon, to get a cop fired. Look at the NYPD, and look at the union reps that went off on the Eric Garner case. That’s what cities and counties have to deal with – union representatives that go beyond “fair dealing, equal treatment and due process for everyone” to “our members can do no wrong and we resent even the implication of such”, and arbitrators, judges and juries who tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the police officer because of the profession.
        So with that in mind, an officer faced with a situation has three choices: 1) ignore it, 2) report it, and hope to God in heaven they never have to rely on that officer to back them up when it really hits the fan, or 3) resign and leave the “bad cops” as the only cops on the force.

        • Redgyal

          Or 4) Form their own union of like-minded cops who will speak up and fight with each other against the “bad cops”. You know, since they are supposed to be brave and all that.

    • Colleen

      Well put. The days of ‘serving the public’ have given way to ‘my extremely circumspect badass self has a badge so I think I’m above reproach’ LEOs. Thirty years ago, my Dad was known for making you dump your personal use worth of weed on the ground, and send you on your way. Today, you’re regarded as a drug lord, roughly arrested with your car torn apart during a search. And your Cypress Hill CD gets all scratched up. Not an autobiographical story, though I do love Cypress Hill. Just a sad but true observation.

  • Pugsandcoffee

    Also, let’s discuss the piece of shit who was like, “oh, my stars and garters! A drunk man here in Mississisisisisisippppeh SKARIN’ MEH must call the poe-lease.”

  • Randy Riddle

    So, basically what we’re discovering here is that we have a national police force that should be behind bars and kept off the streets in the interests of public safety …

    • Antimassacree

      A nation of police forces employing poorly-trained locals…that need to be behind bars.

    • Ryan Denniston

      Finally, a story so sad and awful that it motivates me to work instead of monitoring Wonkette.

  • elviouslyqueer

    Clearly, this is an example of “Contempt of Cop.” Which seems stunningly appropriate, given the egregiously contemptuous behavior of these redneck yahoos.*

    *Full disclosure: Southaven is mere minutes from where I live, and I know exactly where this guy was killed. And yes, Southaven cops are by and large jar-headed good-old-boys who have too much power for their own good.

  • sw19womble

    For comparison:
    55 fatal shooting in England and Wales in past 24 years.
    59 fatal shootings in the US in first 24 DAYS of 2015.
    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-police-killings-us-vs-other-countries

    “[in 2013] in total, British police officers actually fired their
    weapons three times. The number of people fatally shot was zero. In 2012
    the figure was just one. Even after adjusting for the smaller size of
    Britain’s population, British citizens are around 100 times less likely
    to be shot by a police officer than Americans”
    http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2014/08/armed-police

    • sw19womble

      Canada: 25 fatal police shootings a year.
      637 killed by police so far in US in 2015

      • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

        A quick trip north of the border will explain most of that.

        • sw19womble

          We did have a problem with excessive use of tasers by police in Vancouver and Victoria a few years ago, but now it’s mainly gang-related drugs stuff out in Surrey and the suburbs.

          • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

            Upps, I assume everybody lives in ‘merica except me…

    • 24601

      That’s why Paul Revere went ridin’ through town ringin’ them bells and firing those warning shots to tell the British they won’t take our guns, you betcha.

    • janecita

      Or our police force could be civilized, like the Icelandic police, they have only killed one man in their history. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/02/iceland-armed-police-shoot-man-dead-first-time

  • whotookmymittens?

    When Richie Cunningham dies in custody…how do you spin that? Oh yeah. “He was on the acid!” Fuck me, this is getting old.

  • sw19womble
  • Snopes Shop

    fck the police.

    • Dylan Black

      This is a “big boy” site, you don’t have to dodge language filters.

      • sw19womble

        fuck the p*lice?

      • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

        Unless you mention that thingie that you put your index finger on to make that other thingie go bang.

        • Dylan Black

          Haha yes, I forgot about our own very specific language filters.

          • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

            Don’t know if that’s still a player with Disqus, but the old site had a few choice words that were flagged. Oddly enough, salted rat dicks was not among them.

          • gedjcj

            AdBlock Plus?

            Edit: Ha! Intense Debate would automatically delete that.

        • Zippy

          trigger words?

          • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

            Treading on thin ice there, mister.

            Ping pong anyone?

          • Malaclypse

            Anyone have some retardant for the flame war these comments could start?

          • Villago Delenda Est

            With votes!

        • nmmagyar

          Clitoris?

          • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

            Yes, next to the de-cock lever.

          • Playonwords

            I thought de-cocking had to be done with surgical precision.

      • Snopes Shop

        Oh, duly noted.

      • calliecallie

        Wait, what? Wonkette is allowing comments now?

        • Karen Marie

          No, just swears.

  • FZsdaughter

    Today’s cops are such total fucking pussies. That guy should have been knocked out with one punch, put back into his wife’s car and she’d have driven him home, end of story. Enough with the “roadside executioner” cops with their fucking pussy tasers and their 4-on-one smashing people to the ground!

    • Latverian Diplomat

      The “harmless knock out” is a TV trope, not a real life thing. Being knocked out is bad for you, even life-threatening, especially if you have health issues.

      That said, I agree with your general sentiment that cops seem to regard their own safety as so precious and fragile that it must be protected with unrestrained violence. This needs to change.

  • proudgrampa

    Somebody didn’t get their donuts that morning. Jesus.

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    We live in a terrorist state. ISIL and Al Qaeda never had to spend a dime.

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      Didn’t have to after 911. W was happy to spend it all.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    Yes, the cops were pig headed dicks in how they dealt with this man. But for chrysake the vid shows they are loading the gurney into a van that is marked “Paramedic.” What kind of fucking asshole paramedic would not detect the guy might be in respiratory trouble, especially if you allow for the police describing the guy as having a drug based reaction? OK, so let’s all agree the guy shouldn’t have been on a non prescribed drug. But so what? When did medical first responders stop believing their job was to care for those who could not care for themselves, regardless of cause, and turn instead into “meat wagon” drivers? SMH.

    • nightmoth

      Ditto. I wondered about that, too. Paramedics know about positional asphyxia, unless they’re stupid/poorly trained. Were these guys scared of the cops? In awe of the cops? I don’t want to just chalk it up to “Jake, it’s Mississippi.”

      • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

        Maybe the cop rode along.

        • nightmoth

          Aha! That’s a strong possibility.

      • De Burke

        That’s what I’m wondering too; were they just afraid to say anything in case the cops decided to spread the misery around?

        • stelz

          that’s what I figured

    • zerosumgame0005

      well, I really doubt the hiring of paramedics is much more rigorous in MS then the hiring of cops…

      • JMinneapolis

        “can you read?”
        “kinda”
        “you’re hired, since that’s more than the average citizen in MS.”

        • zerosumgame0005

          yep, and that’s for the high falutin’ positions…

    • Biff52

      I doubt the cops would have allowed the paramedics to loosen their restraints.

  • an eye for a jedi

    he’ll just be niggerized on account of the illegal drugs and the hippie jam band bullshit.

  • JohnR

    When you listen to the devils music you invite satan into your heart and risk demonic possession, at least that’s what they told me as a kid, listened to that shit anyhow.

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      Good thing the debil wouldn’t take most of us.

    • Playonwords

      Then those cops must have listened to a lot of devils music … backwards … in a pentagram … with light provided by a real hand of glory or burning cross … and the sacrificial offering.

      • AnOuthouse

        The invention of the CD eliminated evil in the world. No more backward playing.

        • Blank Ron

          That’s why the debbil created Audacity.

  • Bill Slider

    Help, I can’t breathe. Now, where have I heard that before,?

  • Zippy

    Don’t eat the thin blue acid…

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      In Southaven it eats you.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    I’d beg to be tased if I went to see a hippie jam band, but this went a little too far…

  • VandeGraf

    If you are a decent cop you have nothing to worry about. If you are a testosterone driven control freak, we’re coming for you. Best case, pink slip. Worst case, prison.

    • mtiffany

      Wow, you just invited a no-knock warrant for suspected whatever at your house. Don’t bother answering the door, they’ll knock it down for you.

      • Boscoe

        You’ll be asleep anyway, so don’t give it another thought.

        • Dee Andee

          But they’ll be sure to give warning by lobbing a canister full of teargas through your window first.

  • beatbort

    He appears to have died of an overdose…of police protection.

  • Villago Delenda Est

    It’s always too soon.

    • gedjcj

      Until it’s time to quit harping on it and just let it go.

  • beatbort

    He went to a rock concert. Obviously a terrorist thing to do. Now, if he’d gone to a Kenny Chesney concert, they’d have escorted him home.

  • Relativicus

    As of last week, there are 5.9 million reasons (plus, dead bodies) as to why police officers should be trained and commanded to take seriously all complaints by a person in custody regarding the ability of that person to breathe.

  • Msgr_Moment

    Too early to diagnose it as avid overdose?

    We could use this question as a litmus test for future judges.

  • Hemp Dogbane

    I can never decide which t-shirt to wear to a concert, the Hero Police one or the Department of Redundancy Department one.

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      The one with Sting.

  • Spotts1701

    Whatever happened to “don’t escalate the situation”? That used to be the way police handled situations with people who weren’t clearly a danger to anyone.

    • Reddishrabbit

      I think the whole militarization of the police have made things worst in general. There is a reason military normally do not do policing, war is about killing your enemy. Also why counter insurgencies are so hard, it requires a new mind set.

      • Jen_Baker_VA

        pretty sure the military would kill less of the people in their custody than the civ police these days. Part of military training is the protection of the unarmed civs in your station, including those who are being assholes to you.

        • Colleen

          Jen, that could not be a truer statement. It is former military who seem to handle the responsibility of being a good and fair LEO. Sadly, the kid with the chip on his shoulder (who may have even been turned down for military service) who got his BA in Criminology courtesy of mom and dad, watched too many cop movies, and is likely suffering from ‘little man’s disease’ who is a potential danger.

      • SterWonk

        Obligatory Battlestar Galactica:

        Adama: There’s a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.

        I haul that out every time there’s a killer-cop story; at this point, I really should just have a macro for it. :-(

      • Biff52

        I still need to see some statistics about how many former military are filling the police jobs in USAmerica. We’ve created so many veterans, they need jobs, and the USPS can only provide so many.

    • cessnadriver

      This looks like one of those cases where cops seem to end the stop and then ask the driver to submit to a canine search. The woman got uppity and then had to be taught a lesson.

  • Pjs8200

    Here you go

    • cessnadriver

      Putting up your hands to protect yourself from a blow is considered assaulting the cop who is beating you.

    • DZ349

      This looks like a screen grab from the movie “Rampart” with Woody Harrelson, but the point still stands!

  • amindofitsown

    Well, obviously the guy deserved to die. Didn’t he know you’re not supposed to have an asthma attack while in police custody? How are the police supposed to illegally hogtie you if you’re flopping around in mortal danger, yelling “I can’t breathe”? Geez, no respect for the ofimacers nowadays, I tells ya.

    • Biff52

      No word yet on how being in a stressful situation might possibly bring on an asthma attack. Kinda like how my blood pressure spikes when I’m at a doctor’s office.

      • Dee Andee

        Yours too? Damn.

  • God damn them. Just… God damn them all. Murderers.

  • nmmagyar

    Is it just me or does the seem to be a correlation between the relentless attacks on public employees and the increase in the level of suckitude of police departments? I am not making excuses for the actions of killer cops, but until all public employees started being treated like lepers (but given more and more powerful weapons) a few years ago, this didn’t seem to be the epidemic it seems to be now. I know that my local PD is one of the worse in the country (we still might be taken over by the DOJ because of their nasty habit of killing unarmed, mentally ill men), but it wasn’t always this way. Our PD is constantly having to make exceptions to the few standards they have left to get recruits into the academy.

    • calliecallie

      The vilification of public employees has been going on for a decade or more, in my experience. Pre-Oklahoma City bombing, frankly. And after 9/11 certain types of public servants – cops, firefighters – certainly got more respect for a time. I don’t think there’s one single cause here, just a confluence of attitudes, militarization, gun crazy shit, racist shit, who knows what else? Maybe lack of training because lack of funding? It sucks, and I don’t know how we break the cycle without a seismic shift in the culture. Maybe the rapture would help?

      • Biff52

        It goes back to reaganism, really. Everyone loved how he stood up to PATCO, and all other public unions came under fire. I worked in transportation. We had an OK union, we got benefits and pensions that similar private sector employees lost when their unions went away. Rather than aspire to regain their lost benefits, they attacked us for ours. Divide and conquer. Not just a tactic, but a way of life…

      • cessnadriver

        Don’t forget steroids.

    • Karen Marie

      No, correlation. We are simply hearing about them more because internet+cell phone video. The whole criminal “justice” system is broken. While you do not legally have to talk to a cop who says, “Hey, can I talk to you,” and technically you are free to leave, if you walk away they will chase you and arrest you. As long as they do not literally tell you to stop (which would mean they had detained you), they’re good. Crazy, right? I transcribed a motion to suppress yesterday where that happened, and the defendant lost.

      • cessnadriver

        I watched a lot of “patriot” videos of white guys challenging cops. Lots of the cops got nasty but none of them actually got violent.

  • De Burke

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; when you train your police officers like army recruits, and equip them with army surplus vehicles etc., they’ll see the public as ‘the enemy’.

    • Daniel P

      You left out one thing and that is ‘no longer require them to live in the communities in which they work’. That’s important as well. It changes the entire mindset of their job.

      • cessnadriver

        During the OJ trial there was an audible groan in the courtroom when “Det.” Laing said that he lived in Simi Valley.

    • ahughes798

      I think they have always had an Us Vs. Them mentality. Even more so now, what with all the shiny toys the government has been giving them.

  • Steven Posey

    Wow, the cops managed to do the two things cops love most: brutalizing a civilian and blaming the result of their brutality on EVIL DANGEROUS KILLER DRUGS.

  • Ooooo

    Those officers need to be convicted of murder, they intentionally restricted his ability to breath by restraining him that way.

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      upvote cause you are right. However, I am not overly optimistic that they are even going to get charged, let alone convicted, especially not with the DA running around offering preliminary before the autopsy opinions as to cause of death

      • Blank Ron

        yeah, sounds like the fix is already in. Surprise, surprise, surprise.

    • neminem

      I don’t quite agree. I do think they need to be convicted of manslaughter, because that’s what it sounds like they actually did. There’ve been plenty of times where cops did legitimately commit murder (and I mean legitimately in the sense that it was actual murder, not in the sense that they had a good reason for it), but in this case, from the reporting, it doesn’t sound like they had any desire or *intention* to kill the dude, they just really suck at their job. So convicting them of a crime would definitely be the way to go, just, that crime sounds more like negligent manslaughter than actual murder. Though what do I know, I’m not a lawyer.

      • Ooooo

        The method they used to restrain him restricts air flow, he died, they committed murder.

        • Boscoe

          Yep. He said he couldn’t breathe, apparently the cops didn’t care, so I agree: murder.

          • r m reddicks

            Yes. You should never tell a cop you can’t breathe. It just gets them excited and eggs them on.

  • Bill Slider

    There is an important lesson to be learned by the citizens of US America. Which means, I am waisting my breath. The sad results of this incident are not Obama’s fault, nor Eric Holder’s fault. They are the fault of a nation that insists that all cops are good cops, all law enforcement policies are good policies, and that liberals don’t get it. The wingnuts need to look into the mirror.

    This child deserves a GoFundMe which can never compensate for the loss of his father, regardless of the lab results. As a society, we took his father from him. However, neither parent should escape responsibility for taking a 15 month old to an event where alcohol and drugs are in abundance. Hopefully that issue is not overlooked.

    Police training is in worse shape than our public school system. Combined, they produce, or allow in, in the first place, people who are ill prepared to wear a badge, much less carry a weapon, to carry out their duties. Should we assign registered nurses to accompany arresting officers before our citizens can be confronted, along with lawyers to limit exposure to civil lawsuits that drain taxpayer dollars when a victim dies while in custody? I hope not. The pattern of practice does not look positive, however.

    If what occurs in the USA on a routine basis, were happening in a third world country, the wingnuts would demand troop deployment and bombs. I’ll be in my bunk.

    • Dylan Black

      I…don’t think the kid went with them to the concert.

      • Jen_Baker_VA

        I type too slow, again, also too.

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      I missed it in the story where they took their babby to the concert? Thought it was a night out for the two of them?

    • EvanHurst

      The child was not with them. That’s what I meant by “a night off for young parents.”

      • Bill Slider

        Saw the photo, connected dots that didn’t exist. Words, they have meanings, who knew? Ha. I promise to hit my knucles with a ruler, and pay attention next time. Thanks.

  • RoniOh

    I read this recently – The United States has approximately 18,000 separate law enforcement agencies each with its own chief/sheriff/superintendent or other CEO, its own policy manual, its own distinctive uniform, policies, procedures and codes of conduct.

    What the hell people? 18,000 separate little fiefdoms! 18,000 disjointed, amoral, answerable only to themselves kingdoms. Can anyone else see the common problem here?

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Because Federalism, or whatever.

      More Seriously, take the Common Core freak out and multiply by about 10,000 to see what the reaction to a national standard for police training and conduct.

    • Stefano Giovannini

      I do not know any other country that has as many police forces. It means different training standards, different policies, inconsistencies. I believe at the least there should be a federal or at least state level curriculum and exam for police academies and cadets. Having so many police forces really means no oversight.

  • lesterthegiantape

    This won’t get any traction in the “please stop killing us Mr. Policeman” sweepstakes because of DRUGS. As you all know, in any media story, the person who consumes drugs is always guilty of everything.

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      Probably true. However, and as sad as it is to even say it, this guy being a job holding white american might break a few of the apologists, maybe.

      • cessnadriver

        There are some that think “as long as they keep killin’ the knee grows it’s OK with me if they kill a couple of white druggies. To keep balance!”

      • Boscoe

        Nah,Doocy will just make some snark along the lines of “oh, I guess we know what kind of chemicals he liked to ‘engineer’ hyuck! hyuck!” and Kilmeade will laugh and laugh until the commercial break…

    • Hardly Ideal

      Hey, y’know what they say: the wages of a drug that’s virtually impossible to overdose is DEATH.

    • Msgr_Moment

      Albuterol: it’s a hell of a drug.

  • an eye for a jedi

    Somebody didn’t like my use of a certain phrase starting with the n-word and removed my comment. But it’s a real thing I learned from my dear brother Dr. Cornel West. This is what happens to all people – including whites – that act too free or inhabit the fringes or speak out against injustice and abuse of power.

    Sorry for putting it out so plainly in the comments section, which you don’t allow, but it’s a real thing and it’s what will happen in this case. n****rize. Learn it.

    http://rollingout.com/politics/cornel-west-attacks-president-obama-1st-niggerized-president/

    • lovelydestruction

      Not everyone thinks West is the last word on the subject.

      • cessnadriver

        He’s a good word on the subject.

  • Pat_Pending

    Interesting that a documentary on the Zimbardo experiments just came out. Maybe it should get a major release. Nah… We’ll just keep on blindly accepting authority in all circumstances.

  • Playonwords

    And I thought that thing Mississippi liked to do with rope involved a noose.

    Tasing an asthmatic is high on the list of things you should not do to them, probably only topped by hogtying and lying them face down. Denying them medication is pretty verboten as well.

    Mind you I don’t expect that any of these protection racket bullies will loose one second of sleep nor will any of them face a reprimand let alone a criminal charge.

    • cessnadriver

      The free market will straighten this out.

      • fergawdssakes

        They keep doing this to white dudes and the freeper (mark it!) will.

  • AnOuthouse

    Hippie music is the work of Satan.

    • Hardly Ideal

      Weird, I imagine the Devil would be a tad more metal than, say, Jim Croce.

  • Usedtobeyellerdawg

    It’s Mississippi, so the concept of lynching is not foreign. It’s just unusual for it to be extended to one so lacking in pigmentation.

    • cessnadriver

      When they came for the trade unionists….

      Recently I had an experience with a drugged-out violent paranoid person. The cops came and handled it well, and nobody got hurt even though she continued to thrash about.

      Turns out: someone slipped her a mickey. The cops could have hurt this woman, but they didn’t assume that she was doing what she was doing in order to be disrespectful of them.

  • thestein

    According to other news outlets, the DA was even more specific, saying that the preliminary autopsy indicated death by pulmonary edema. Pulmonary edema has both heart-related and non-heart-related causes; in the latter case, it can be caused by upper respiratory blockage. There’s nothing inconsistent with the preliminary autopsy and the family’s claim of positional asphyxiation. The characterization of pulmonary edema as heart related is spin on the part of the DA. It’s like saying bleeding to death is an auto accident related condition, since most cases involving bleeding to death involve auto accidents.

    • cessnadriver

      Cops are republican. Is the DA a repig?

      Repigs LOVE torture including waterboarding. Asthma attacks are like waterboarding.

      Perhaps the cops were watching and saving the memories for later circle-jerk activities.

      • thestein

        According to the 2015 DeSoto County candidate list, the DA’s a Democrat. I really don’t think there’s much of a difference when it comes to law enforcement and the “justice” system, though.

  • Enfant Terrible

    Note to mayors, city councils, boards of county supervisors, etc: bad police behavior is EXPENSIVE, and a huge drain on government resources. You may want to consider doing the necessaries to get this shit under control.

    So sad for the victim and his family. ObFFS.

    • Boscoe

      Be careful what you wish for, in the conservative mind, the obvious “solution” to this “problem” is to enact laws that make it illegal to sue for police misconduct. …Just as soon as they finish making it illegal to film officers “executing their duties”.

  • cessnadriver

    Back when I was young I witnessed over 100 arrests of people on alcohol or drugs and NEVER saw a cop injure a suspect. They also never charged someone who resisted being cuffed with “resisting arrest”. They knew, because they were not stupid, that people fight a bit when being arrested.

    Now it’s the tazer, hogtie, beating then blame the victim.

    • Biff52

      I did see injuries. In my former lives as first a hippy and later a biker, I was involved in stuff that didn’t sit well with citizens and cops alike back then, and cops went overboard to quell the “riots” that they had in fact incited. Same as it ever was, they just have better toys now.

  • UnsaltedSinner

    Well, it’s not as if they could possibly have handled this differently, is it?

    https://youtu.be/Cd8ZTKU8csw

    • Msgr_Moment

      You know who else yelled angrily in a phlegmy, guttural Germanic language?

    • that’s hysterical and that’s some mean ass norwegian drunk.

      i just hope he didn’t barf on them.

  • Joseph

    Mississippi Police: Murderers. besides being subhuman on a really good day.

  • Hardly Ideal

    Alright, I’m taking bets. How long until six cops simultaneously taze one guy from a moving MRAP, beat him within an inch of his life, tie him up shibari-style, and shoot him in the back of the head before claiming “he tried to grab my gun?”

  • johnsimon

    What is nice about someone tripping their brains out on acid?

    The cops who do everything they can to keep people safe are going to deal with this for the rest of their life because of this druggie.

    It seems wrong to even call him a Dad. He was a druggie who clearly cared more about drugs than his child.

    • Daniel P

      I’m going to assume this is satire. But just in case it isn’t.

      What kind of a fucking idiot thinks someone deserves to die just for dropping acid and having the misfortune of being arrested for it? What the fuck is wrong with you that you have that little regard for human life?

      You’re a complete fucking idiot.

      • Suse

        Ditto from me.

      • johnsimon

        The world has no time to mourn another dead druggie…

        • Suse

          Asshole troll.

        • Gleem-McShinez

          But a scumbag has all the time in the world to comment on Wonket!

          Keep up your schedule, wonderful human!

        • BoatOfVelociraptors

          To be spoken at the funeral of every C.E.O. hopped up on cocaine.

        • Tansy Geek

          Rock musicains everywhere libel!!!

        • amindofitsown

          Does that mean I don’t have to give a shit when ol’ George Dubya Bush kicks the bucket? Or Plush Limbaugh, for that matter?

        • Daniel P

          But it has plenty of time to call you what you are, which is soulless, spineless asshole. May your lack of empathy for fellow human beings result you being killed in the most humiliating way possible.

        • Unforgotten

          Sorry, but where are the results of the chemical tests to support your claim that the victim was ‘high’?
          Or where is the law that says that if you are apparently ‘high’… sucks to be you?
          Or where is the law that forbids relatives of somebody taken into custody and then to a hospital to visit him/her?
          OOOOOOPPPPSSSS.
          PS: Hey, Junior, or ‘Kid’ is enough? If you upvote a comment, your identity shows up… therefore, don’t upvote your own comments or you’ll pass as a lame self-servicing maggot.

    • Gleem-McShinez

      What a lovely piece of thought.

      You’re a wonderful person and everyone totally knows it! Just look at how wonderful you are! Keep being so wonderful, and everything wonderful in the universe will hopefully come your way!

    • seldom seen smith

      You clearly have zero understanding of psychedelics…if you are actually being serious? You a Mississippi cop trolling?

    • So parents who get childcare, go out on a date, and have too much to drink should be killed? After all alcohol is a drug, and so people who drink it are druggies as well. And if you substitute alcohol for LSD, it is the same scenario. Your brand of self-righteous, judgemental bullshit is beneath contempt.

    • Barndawg

      Nice you jumped the gun on purported correct police statements.

      Hope you never end up on a jury.

      • Tansy Geek

        Or have children. Or parents.

    • Tansy Geek

      You seem nice, but not all SMRT. Go away.

    • YayConspiracy

      What is nice about somebody upvoting his own comment?

      And of course, since cops do everything to protect us, it is okay if they kill somebody; yes that makes a lot of sense.

    • Oh, take a hike. Good job on blaming the victim for being executed by stupid cops for being drunk and disorderly.

      • Wombat

        If drunk and disorderly were death penalty crimes, half of the nation’s college campuses would be cleared out before classes begin every year.

        • Unforgotten

          You are being generous.

  • MegPasadena

    English is my second language and I regret that I just google-image-searched the word “hogtied”.
    That’s all.

    • OrdinaryJoe

      Donde los yikes !!! Definitely a NSFW Google search. But it certainly provides plenty of snark fodder for speculating about what the cop and Mrs. Cop do on his days off.

  • D G

    Southaven, Mississippi—There’s your problem right there….

    • Suse

      I am never ever going to drive through the south. As a white woman, I’m terrified of these brutal cracker-ass thugs.

  • WiltonMiltonIII

    I got my a*s beat by the cops once because they thought I matched the description of someone getting into a fight earlier. They felt really bad and called the ambulance and I got 8 staples in my head and a $900 medical bill. Looked into suing and was told by numerous attorneys that police brutality cases are pretty much un-winnable unless it’s on tape or had more than 2 eye-witnesses because of the whole police being considered “expert witnesses” thing. Never felt the same about law enforcement since.

    • Suse

      Sorry this happened to you.

    • Tansy Geek

      I’m sorry that happened. I swear most cops are just in for the power trip.

      • WiltonMiltonIII

        I don’t think they all go into the profession with that attitude, but the amount of power given to them probably creates and in some cases, exasperates the power trip. My beef isn’t with them individually, more with their unchecked scope of authority.

  • UGAalumni

    There is one common denominator in all of these deaths involving the police: resisting arrest. Obey their orders, act compliant and you will live to see another day. Ignoring police orders, resisting, acting belligerent and/or threatening will get you in trouble in a hurry.

    • D G

      F you. I SERIOUSLY hope you get this treatment one day and feel absolutely helpless in the “caring arms” of your local PD

      • UGAalumni

        I SERIOUSLY doubt it. I’ve had numerous interactions with the police over the years and have always been treated well.

        • D G

          Well Good the F on you. That’s why I’m hoping one of these interactions occurs to you and you actually interact with some bullyheaded fascist F that will make you question your judgment of other people going forward.
          You know, a life lesson so you’re not such an a==.

          • UGAalumni

            Based on your tone, I can understand why your interactions with police (or anyone else for that matter) don’t go well.

          • D G

            I don’t interact with police. Haven’t in a while. Keep projectin’ bro

          • UGAalumni

            You sounded as though your knowledge for police brutality was based on personal experience. So what makes you the expert?

          • D G

            My eyes. My eyes watching the video of the interaction between that D==kheaded cop and that lady.

          • UGAalumni

            So, a few videos of bad cops allow you to project that all cops are bad? Have you seen the countless videos of the good interaction with police as they interact with millions of Americans daily?

          • D G

            No strawmen plz…… Most, overwhelming amount of cops are good. Many cops are bad.
            That’s what I believe.

            And there IS a culture that ALL cops cover for bad cops, because….tradition/brothers/blue code of silence. And that needs to stop.

          • UGAalumni

            Agreed.

          • D G

            Well, holy sh==t!

            I take back those things, I don’t really enjoy hoping ill will on others anyway.

          • UGAalumni

            Kum bay ya…!

        • Tansy Geek

          Were you drunk, high or mentally ill at the time?
          Are you white, male and physically large?
          Are you smug or just lacking in understanding & empathy?

          • UGAalumni

            Yes, I was drunk and I’m not physically large. I treated the cop with respect and didn’t resist; he did the same. The result? A ticket and a court date; then I was on my merry way.

    • Gleem-McShinez

      “In trouble”

      That’s a funny way to describe “getting executed.”

    • amindofitsown

      So, we should blindly submit to potentially unstable asshole cops and let the court sort it out-which, 8 times out of 10, usually rules in favor of the cop. Right?

    • YayConspiracy

      Is that the sound of marching boots I’m hearing?

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      So, summary execution is a fitting consequence for resisting arrest? You must’ve majored in fascism and assholery at UGA.

      • UGAalumni

        Like I said, there is one common denominator in all of these events. I never said summary execution was a fitting consequence. I’ll be the first to admit that there are bad cops, but let’s be honest, if you resist you’re not going to improve your situation while interacting with the police.

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          So you go to jail for resisting arrest. Big difference. Nobody’s claiming there aren’t consequences for illegal or disruptive behavior, just that beatings and death are both extreme and illegal.

          • UGAalumni

            Exactly, beatings are illegal and often are the result of resisting. You can’t predict the mentality of a cop. So why not err on the side of caution and comply/not resist. If you’ve already broken the law, don’t make matters worse for yourself by resisting.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Because people who are impaired, mentally ill, or maybe just having a shitty day don’t always act predictably. Cops are trained to deal with this and should be held to a higher standard than a bully at the next barstool.

          • UGAalumni

            I agree.

          • Suse

            If one is shit-faced on drugs or alcohol, it’s very difficult to read a situation or to react reasonably. The cops are the ones in charge, not the perps. It’s up to the cops to act with reason and decorum.

          • UGAalumni

            I agree completely. But, like I said, the common denominator is resisting arrest. You are correct, the cops need to be trained on how to safely restrain a combative mentally unstable/intoxicated person. But at the same time, if a cop is being physically harmed by said unstable person, the cop has the right to defend himself.

          • Why should ANYONE in the US have to “err on the side of caution” in order to avoid death in police custody? Are YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME? Unless you’re shooting a gun or charging the office with an f*ing samurai sword, they should be required to act with restraint. Period.

      • Takoma DC

        That’s what UGA is known for.

    • Tansy Geek

      Mentally ill, high and generally confused people “resist arrest” because they don’t understand what’s happening. Also it’s human nature to resist being hurt. BAD cops beat people because they aren’t trained, don’t care or are malevolent fucks on a power trip. GOOD cops can talk people down or subdue them without killing them.

      • UGAalumni

        Lawd. Please see comments below.

      • Blank Ron

        It’s that ‘probably’ that scares the crap out of me when I travel in the US.

    • LegionOfDo

      Except that once he was hogtied, he was no longer legally resisting, by virtue of being hogtied. It was at that point the officers denied him the medicine that would have saved his life. 100% the police’s fault on this one.

    • Enfant Terrible

      Tell that to Tamir Rice. John Crawford. Akai Gurley.

    • “Obey their orders, act compliant and you will live to see another day.”

      Dear God. How lacking in self-awareness would you have to be to say this, with a straight face, and claim NOT to be an actual fascist?

      Anyone who actually believes that is the kind of person who willingly voted for … well, you know who.

      • James Mcwilliams

        Funny how you call others facists while insisting other people’s posts you don’t agree with should be deleted.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    An officer was killed by a gunman during a routine traffic stop today in Hayward California. We should not put aside the recognition that we live in a society in which government is controlled by the National Rifle Association, which has foisted on us all an atmosphere of a free fire combat zone where the police constantly find themselves outmatched by people of dubious mental stability with access to a level of personal firepower more typical of warfare not civil society and where for a police officer every day on the job brings them the possibility of a lethal confrontation.

    • Owlseyelash

      I completely agree with you. Look at the police behaviour towards its citizens in other developed countries with strict or stricter gun control. It must be terrifying going to work everyday and knowing that every encounter with a citizen COULD end up with someone shooting at you. I think the American police force over-react precisely because they consider everyone armed and dangerous. Very sad.

    • James Mcwilliams

      Yes because criminals who break the law and commit murder with illegally obtained firearms are the creation of the NRA.

      We should make murders more illegaler and make it a crime for criminals to posses fire arms.
      Oh wait.

      • dshwa

        No, but the NRA’s blocking of national gun databases, background checks, and other restrictions make it easier for those criminals to get those guns.

        • OrdinaryJoe

          I just do not buy the ammosexual agenda. I believe that limiting access to guns will limit the ability of people to take lives with guns. From my study of the 2d amendment, there is no evidence the founders intend an unfettered individual right to have arms, but rather, that the People should be able to have an armed community Militia for the common security. Any other interpretation renders the first four words of the 2d amendment meaningless, surplusage. The prevailing strict constructionist majority wing of the SCOTUS tells us we must read and give common sense 18th century meaning to all the words of the constitution but the same outcome oriented judicial activists of the court’s conservative majority have gone against their own rule and simply have ignored those four words. I have never had an answer from an ammosexual to my question what do the words “A well regulated Militia,…” mean in the context of an individual possessing firearms? They simply choose to ignore those words. In reality, I believe the common ownership of firearms in the US historically had nothing to do with the 2d Amendment but was the by product of common rules reflecting the customs and practices of a mostly rural agrarian society. This was simply a privilege that Americans allowed to each other but had nothing to do with the “right” defined by the 2d amendment. I happen to believe this privilege should be curtailed. (Full disclosure: I was raised in the most rural of the rural southwest. I am not a stranger to firearms. I own a target pistol and a rifle. Oh, and my grandpa was a cop.)

          • James Mcwilliams

            So what other rights do you cherry pick for approval based on your personal opinion?
            By your logic the 1stAmendment should only apply to spoken words and printed material.

        • James Mcwilliams

          How so?
          How does a criminal acting in a criminal manner make it easier to obtain firearms?
          I’m all ears.

  • Tansy Geek

    Mentally ill, high and generally confused people “resist arrest” because they don’t understand what’s happening. Also it’s human nature to resist being hurt. BAD cops beat people because they aren’t trained, don’t care or are malevolent fucks on a power trip. GOOD cops can talk people down or subdue them without killing them.
    edit meant this as a response to UGAalumni. Who is ignorant of how the world actually works.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      At our local libraries here-which are magnets for the homeless and mentally unstable, altercations, arrests, and 911 calls have decreased dramatically by hiring public health nurses that are experienced with this population. They are generally able to spot symptoms and intervene in a way that de-escalates problems. Same with the good cops you mention.

      • dshwa

        There are plenty of de-escalation techniques out there, which cops should be using.

        • Blank Ron

          I was always under the impression that that was one of the first things they learned. Was I wrong?

  • m3bosha

    Silly rabbit, it is always too soon if a cop or a gun (or both) were involved. We wouldn’t want to hurt the precious right wing’s fee fees.

    • James Mcwilliams

      More like you keep trying to make excuses for drunk and high idiots.
      God forbid you take responsibility for your own fuck ups.

      • m3bosha

        I’m sorry, this is Wonkette, where comments are not allowed. I’m sure the ban hammer of loving correction will visit you soon. Have fun at the gun humpers r us website you seem to like so much. I’m gonna guess they are a bit more receptive to your brand of “personal responsibility” butthurt. Cuz, you know, God forbid the cops be held to a higher level of “personal responsibility” as they voluntarily took jobs to “serve and protect” opposed to letting a guy with asthma die just because he decided to take some LSD.

        • James Mcwilliams

          Oh wait the cops are supposed to know or care what drugs you’re high on when you resist arrest?

          Why doesn’t everyone else know this?

          • Unforgotten

            Oh wait, cops are supposed to not use illegal and/or extremely dangerous tactics/positions to restrain individuals, aren’t they?
            I mean why put a SUSPECT in deadly danger if can avoid it?
            You really are a lame apologist.

          • James Mcwilliams

            Sounds like you’re the apologist, not me.
            Keep making excuses though.

      • James, I honestly hope that – one day – you’re the one who “fucks up” and you find yourself on the wrong end of a tazer.

        After all, people must be punished for their mistakes, right?

        • James Mcwilliams

          Yup, I can accept personal responsibility for my actions and not blame anyone else.
          Can you?

  • Steverino247

    It would appear that aircraft on approach to Memphis International Airport should either dump more fuel or less fuel, depending on how that fucks up the brain chemistry of the Southaven PD.

  • RocRizzo

    LSD overdose?!?!?! Now I’ve heard everything! These pigs will use any excuse, wont they?

    • James Mcwilliams

      But yet I’ll bet if you dial 911 you expect a “pig” to show up.

      • No, I’d expect a police office behaving professionally to show up.

      • “If you have a problem, just call 911,
        And right to your door the police will come
        And if they should cuff you and give you a smack,
        It’s cause you are guilty. Not cause you’re black!”

        – Tom and Tom, _In Living Color_

        • James Mcwilliams

          Hmm, but I’ll bet you expect cops to show up too…lol.
          Cop haters always crack me up.

  • Unforgotten

    I suppose that this is not the time to somebody tell those cops that ‘en crapaudine’ (the original French name of the position) was a form of execution (usually of deserters) used by the Foreign Legion…
    Hell NO!
    It’s totally the time for that!!!!

    • I think speaking French to a cop from Mississippi is a pretty good way to get your teeth kicked in.

      • Cary Miller

        LMFAO.

  • James Mcwilliams

    Hmm, gee maybe you shouldn’t be a FUCKING MORON and get drunk and take LSD then drive home?
    Whose fault is this really?

    • Oh, so getting drunk at a concert now is a death penalty offense? Gee, I should have been dead 20 times over back in my youth. Get a grip. The cops should have just put him back in the car and sent him home with his wife and a warning.

      • James Mcwilliams

        Death penalty offense?
        No but a bit of personal responsibility goes a long way.
        I suppose if you’re tweaking out and become combative cops should just let you continue on your way right?
        Are cops some how blessed with knowing everyone’s medical history?
        Something tells me that if you have ASTHMA then hallucinogenic drugs probably aren’t a good idea.
        But hey it’s all the cops fault right?

        • dshwa

          Yes it is. The job of the police is to protect the public, an that includes people they’re arresting.

          And if you’re saying it’s OK for people to die when arrested drunk or high, then yes you are saying it is a death penalty worthy offense.

          • James Mcwilliams

            I never said any such thing but keep making it up as you go along.

          • Cary Miller

            See, they have brainwashed you. It is ONLY their job to enforce the law and not kill you when in their custody. They failed miserably here. I hope the bastards rot in jail for murder. Troy was my son’s friend and a good guy. The Serve and Protect motto they have adopted is a slippery slope. It gives them wide latitude on what can protect you. Protect yourself and stay the hell away from them

        • dirkmcquickly

          Only a sociopath like you would blame the victim. You deserve to have this happen to you. I would say someone else, but it is obvious that you are such a narcissist that you are incapable of loving anyone besides yourself.

        • donaldball

          “No but”

          You should have stopped right between those two words. Right there.

        • Augure3VI

          This goes beyond simple restraint, he was hogtied and tazed and placed face down on a stretcher and whether the paramedics requested it or not, he was not released of his bonds to be examined.

          His wife told the cops he had asthma and was threatened with arrest for trying to give them his inhaler.

          This was police brutality and neglect.

    • Des

      He wasn’t driving. Read the facts.

      • Facts don’t matter to James. He’s the kind of person who clearly thinks it’s okay that the cops basically murdered a guy for the horrendous crime of acting like he was on acid. We call people like that “psychopaths” as they have no empathy for their fellow human beings. If I were you, I’d move along.

        • James Mcwilliams

          So let’s see, he was high, combative, has astma and the police had been called by a concerned person because he was acting erractic.

          By all means it was totally the cops fault that he had an asthma attack when he resisted arrest.

          • Unforgotten

            By all means it was the cops fault that they put him in a dangerous position (to people having asthma attacks ) and couldn’t care less when he complained that he couldn’t breathe.
            Stop rewriting the facts, it’s quite pathetic…

          • James Mcwilliams

            Because being asthmatic and drinking to point of losing your mind is something that is a good thing right?
            Keep making excuses.

          • dirkmcquickly

            You are a special kind of mean-spirited jerk. He was in police CUSTODY. That means in plain English (assuming you can even comprehend what that is) that they were responsible for him. Moreover, they threatened his wife with arrest for trying to give them his inhaler.

          • James Mcwilliams

            You have no idea how depressants work do you?
            Alcohol can suppress your breathing to the point where your lungs no longer function.
            Show me an inhaler that cures that.

          • pursang833

            They were so concerned that they put him in a stress position. Wonder where we learned about stress positions? That’s right, Dick Cheney’s Torture Handbook!

          • James Mcwilliams

            You’re right, people out of their minds on drugs and alcohol should just be patted on the head and sent home with no consequences and cops should automatically know what you’re on.

          • James Mcwilliams

            Yea, Dick Cheney writes police department procedures.
            True story.

          • Takoma DC

            It wasn’t yoga.

        • James Mcwilliams

          Yea that’s exactly what I said.

      • James Mcwilliams

        It’s irrelevant some neither could drive because one was drunk and the other was high.
        Keep making excuses how cops are at fault though.

        • Unforgotten

          I’m, mister lame apologist, but where in the story says that the wife was ‘high’?
          Show us.

          • ahughes798

            He’s probably a cop, so he doesn’t have to. It happened exactly the way the officers say it happened. Thin blue line, and all that.

          • James Mcwilliams

            Not even close, but then again I don’t get so drunk I can’t control myself and then blame everyone else.

          • Enfant Terrible

            Can’t control yourself? You’re controlling your posting with about as much success as my 10-month-old godson controlling his bowels.

        • cessnadriver

          The cops are at fault. Nobody should die in a traffic stop.

          • James Mcwilliams

            It wasn’t even a traffic stop.
            He got out of the car for no reason anst his mind because he was so drunk and a bystander called the cops which set everything in motion.
            Maybe he shouldn’t have gotten so drunk.

          • cessnadriver

            Blame the victim.

        • dirkmcquickly

          But the cops didn’t charge her with DUI. Even if she was and he was high, it doesn’t justify murder. You must be some kind of asshole to rationalize police brutality.

          • Unforgotten

            The old ‘Us vs. Them’ mentality, too bad the ‘Us’ is supposed to serve the ‘Them’…

          • James Mcwilliams

            So becoming so intoxicated that you’re no longer in control of your actions and lose your mind earns you a free pass?

          • Takoma DC

            He’s a cop.

        • EvanHurst

          “It’s irrelevant some neither could drive because one was drunk,” excuse us what? And you are lecturing about people being impaired? And yes, soon-to-be-deleted nutsack is soon-to-be-deleted.

          • James Mcwilliams

            Sounds like you beleive you’re entitled to an echo chamber where only you can have an opinion.

        • Yeah Wonkette libetards! You are you going to realize that what ACTUALLY happened is always irrelevant to whether cops are innocent of abuse (The answer of course is: ALWAYS.)

          READ A BOOK! (But not the biased ones about police brutality.)

        • Mcwilliams brother/father was the cop on scene

      • James Mcwilliams

        You’re right, he was a drunken idiot that got out of the car for no reason, acted insane, got the cops called on him, fought the cops and as a result had an asthma attack that killed him
        .
        TOTALLY the cops fault for not just patting him on the head and sending him on his way.

    • Soon-to-be-deleted nutsack says: being high deserves the death penalty. Thank you, Judge Dredd.

    • Which as we know, completely justifies (alleged) murder and abuse!

    • Maybe u should get your reading comprehension skills above a 4th grade level b4 commenting mic

      • James Mcwilliams

        Oh ad hominem attacks. That certainly validates your argument.

  • JMinneapolis

    I worked in financial services for 10 years. Any time a lawsuit or something happened that made the industry look bad, we had major “come to Jebus” talks about “the media and everyone are now watching the profession – be on your best behavior, etc etc.”

    With everyone everywhere now purposely filming police, you would think something like this should be happening at police departments. But, they do not seem aware that everything has changed in the last couple years and act like no one is watching.

    • Rick Hill

      If anything, it seems to be getting worse. Most damning in Sandra Blake’s event isn’t a civilian but the police’s own recording.

      • James Mcwilliams

        Oh you mean the woman who got belligerent after a traffic stop and kicked a cop so she was arrested and committed suicide out of embarrassment over a TURN SIGNAL VIOLATION and now the family says she was depressed after lying and said she wasn’t?

        • Enfant Terrible

          The Banhammer of Loving Correction will no doubt ricochet off your uncomprehending bonce without you noticing a thing, but you’ll be gone soon, all the same.

    • Nite_Owl

      That’s because fines and judgments don’t come out of the cop’s pockets.

    • donaldball

      I don’t think everything has changed, and I think they know it.

    • Cary Miller

      They told witnesses to stop filming. The bastards

      • BigJon46

        The fools film were violating the doper’s rights to medical privacy. Did any of them get a release from him or his family before posting their video?
        If it was me I would sue everyone that posted a video of me in his position. I would hope my family would sue if I died.
        If you don’t believe it check it out.

        • Unforgotten

          Oh really? The proof that the police claims that he was merely restrained with leg irons is a bad thing? For whom Jimmy?
          Not the police? Are you sure that the proof that the guy that, without any lab result to back his claim and no autopsy report whatsoever, tried to blame the whole thing on LSD and heart attack… the proof that guy (His name is in the story but honestly, Jimmy boy, he doesn’t deserved it) is lying…
          Is reason for the family of the deceased to sue who filmed it?

          • Blank Ron

            ‘Thank you for taking this video that documents my husband’s abuse by the police. We’ll see you in court.’

        • Lord-Nash

          Really? Please sir, PLEASE tell me how exactly his ‘right to medical privacy’ was violated?

        • Blank Ron

          Y-eah, I’m sure the cops were primarily concerned with their victim’s (you know, the one they were slowly killing) privacy rights. Because being a cop is all about preventing civil suits.

  • Sheee-it, this topic has brought out the soon-to-be-deleted commentors who really believe that obeying and complying with the cops is a basic duty of all citizens who don’t want to mysteriously die. When did the USA become a fascist state, again? (For white people, that is, it always was for the blahs or the injuns.)

    • James Mcwilliams

      So you insist on having a private echo chamber because people have a different opinion than you do about personal responsibility?
      How liberally tolerant of you.

      • donaldball

        You’re not as clever as you think you are.

      • Enfant Terrible

        You’re welcome to your differing opinion. You’re not welcome to pee in the punchbowl. Are you sentient enough to take the hint?

    • BigJon46

      It has also brought out the dumb ass dopers too.

      • Blank Ron

        It’s okay, though, honey, I’m sure you can get treatment for your addiction if you want it.

  • Greg Cobb

    More blog hype from the clueless. Hog tying someone is proper procedure when someone is in danger of hurting themselves or someone else. What happened with him being on the stretcher was just people doing their jobs. You don’t know why he passed and neither do I. So spew all the useless drivel you want since all you have are ASSumptions and things you see from other media. Kill yourself now.

    • pursang833

      and here the author cited a Chief Medical Officer in a major American city as to why it’s bad and you cited nothing but your baseless opinion. Or perhaps Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld came out with a paper saying hogtying was just swell so these cops couldn’t have been wrong.

      As far as the rest of your immature rant, I’ll ignore it. Someone that suggests a person kill themselves isn’t worth anymore of my time.

    • Enfant Terrible

      With votes? You seem nice.

  • In it, you can see that the police have hogtied Goode, even though Mississippi officials are apparently allergic to the word “hogtie.” Maybe they prefer to think of it as “that thing we like to do with our rope.”

    No, for that, the rope would be tied around a different part of the anatomy.

  • acoghlan

    Why would the ambulance personnel allow this man to be put on their stretcher hog-tied? Didn’t they check his vital signs? How could this man’s airway, breathing and circulation be assessed in this position? Was he turning blue? Were his nailbeds blue? Why wasn’t oxygen applied? The EMT’s and Paramedics are equally guilty in this man’s murder. What a horrible way to die!

    • BigJon46

      Shame you know so little. But whine so much.
      He died because he took drugs and booze. Period.
      Oxygen administered in the ambulance and all vitals were monitored until they arrived at the hospital. An i.v. of saline is also begun in the ambulance.
      He was placed in medical restraints, not, hogtied, because of his actions. An ambulance chasing attorney used that term. He was placed face down on the stretcher because of his actions leading to him being restrained. I would guess his head was also restrained to keep him from injurying it.
      Don’t forget this doper got out of a car in traffic. Not very raltional.
      This isn’t his first lsd trip.

      • Dylan Black

        And you got all this information…where exactly? Because the video shows him tied face down on a stretcher. There is really no debating that.

      • Unforgotten

        WOW… Nobel Prize of Medicin in the house folks.
        He knows everything that was in the guy’s blood, his lungs’ medical condition and how the cops and paramedics handle the situation…
        Because?

        PS: Jimmy Mcwilliams, is that you?

        • Unforgotten

          Oh, and another thing. If that’s a ‘regular procedure’ (and not the forbidden hogtie) why did they yelled to whoever was filming the thing to stop it?

          • Takoma DC

            I know. Just like the jerkoff cope who unlawfully arrested that woman in Texas a couple of weeks ago, He was also yelling at the guy who was filming that situation. That “brave” officer was yelling, “You need to leave!” at the videographer. It’s incredible how stupid and immature these violent asshole cops are and that they manage to even get into law enforcement is what continues to amaze me.

          • Unforgotten

            In the ‘Police Academy’ series of movies from the 80’s it was fun to watch people who would have been disqualified to ‘serve and protect’ doing so because the bar had been lowered, well at least the first two movies were fun.
            In real life OTOH…

          • Cary Miller

            There is no legal mandate or authority for an officer to “serve and protect.” Their mandate is simply to enforce the law. This country at no time authorized a group of people to babysit it. That phrase is just some BS mantra they cooked up so THEY can decide what “protect” and “serve” means, and that, my friend, is a slippery slope in a democracy. Protect yourself to the best of your ability, and only call them when absolutely necessary TO ENFORCE THE LAW.

      • Margaret Sturman

        He was in respiratory distress but he was placed face down on the stretcher? And he died? Imagine that. He was drunk, not high and that should not have cost him his life.

        • Takoma DC

          Even if high Goode did not deserve to die.

      • Takoma DC

        BigJohn46, How much internets time do your caretakers give you? It’s about time for your mid-morning meds isn’t it?

      • Lord-Nash

        *facepalm*

      • Cary Miller

        How in the hell do you know all this stuff? Prominent Memphis attorney knew what he had a right to film. Ever been sued by his firm…much? This is another incident that won’t stand the light of day. Troy was my son’s friend. He was a good guy. Nuf said.

        • Christine

          I’m sorry. I’m sure I speak for most of the posters here when I say that you and your son and Troy’s family have our condolences.

      • akita96th

        Dosent sound to me like he deserved a death sentence from crazy thug cops…Who by the way did not want to be video taped….hmmm why is that?

      • Blank Ron

        I’m guessing you were there? Perhaps you’re a personal friend of the Goodes? One of the paramedics?One of the murderers? Because the only other possibility is that you’re an idiot.

    • Takoma DC

      Excellent point. I’m still coming to terms with the asshole EMTs who came to Eric Gardner’s “aid”. All of them should have been fired. I’ve observed more compassion and care in alligators then what I saw medical personnel give Gardner. Looks like negligent misanthropic and/or racist EMTs may be more prevalent than most would like to believe.

  • Ali Song

    He’s not Black so no Riots Looting and burning building… sigh … oh yes white people don’t do that .. I forgot

    • Dylan Black

      True, white people have never, ever rioted in the history of this country, surely a cursory search of YouTube wouldn’t disprove this assertion in any way, right?

      • Nite_Owl

        In Canada we Honkeys riot over fucking hockey games.

        • nmmagyar

          England and Scotland have to close down every time there’s a “footie” match

        • Blank Ron

          And hardly ever get murdered by cops, no matter how much Blue we’ve been drinking.

    • Enfant Terrible

      Except over pumpkins…

  • something STINKS here

    and it smells like SOUTHHAVEN PIG

  • Amy Cooper

    I live in Southaven, lived here all my life, the cops are completely overzealous & ridiculous. The tickets fees are some of the highest in the country & they write them out like they are trying to win a contest. I love WSP & hate that this happened. It’s a travesty.

    • EvanHurst

      Hi Amy, this is Evan. I’m yr Wonkette that wrote the piece, and also we’re neighbors, as I live in Midtown Memphis. It’s a really messed up story, ain’t it?

      • Amy Cooper

        Completely messed up! My husband & I went to the show with friends & had the best time, only to wake up the next day to find out this happened. As details emerged it literally made me sick to my stomach! The cops made this situation 110% worse when they showed up. I really hate it.

    • Michael Campbell

      Kind of sounds like southaven MS cops could be Super Troopers? Littering AND?…

  • John Norris

    Can we talk about police brutality in Chicago in 1068 or Orangeburg SC in 1968 or maybe Kent State in 1970? No, well I’m sure everything turned out OK anyway.

  • Cary Miller

    A black man was killed by the police in Memphis last weekend, a passenger in a car. Don’t tell me we don’t live in a police state

    • EvanHurst

      Yep, and that’s a story your Memphis Wonkette is looking into as well.

      • Cary Miller

        Thank you. Memphis United is your source for that.

  • BigJon46

    The police did not “hogtie” this doper. He was placed in medical restraints provided by the EMTs. The doper was placed face down on the stretcher because he was being an ass and had to be restrained. His head may have also been restrained to keep him from injurying it. He had, 0, no need for an asthma puffer on the 5 minute Ride to the hospital.The EMTs would not have let him use it. Also unless his name was on the puffer the EMTs would not have given it to him anyway. 1. They have no way of know that it was his. Her word didn’t make it so. 2. The puffer could have contained the drug that he was spaced out on. So the puffer is a non issue. He was placed on oxygen in the ambulance and an i.v. of saline was started. All vital signs were constantly monitored.
    If he was having asthma problems when he arrived at the hospital they would have intervened with the appropriate breathing treatments. So all of this b.s. about asthma and his puffer is just that b.s.
    If he and his wife were so concerned about his asthma why was he boozing and doping up? This wasn’t his first lsd trip. Police record Memphis, Tn. So he couldn’t have been too worried.
    So to the news(?) agency that did this low life, hit piece on the police, get you fat asses out and get the facts “before” you write.
    Oh, the police were only involved for a few minutes. Most of which were under the direction of the EMTs who were following established protocols. Then this doper was in the ER of a hospital within 5 minutes of leaving the scene.
    Being a chemical engineer, maybe he was trying some of his own formulated lsd.
    The only people to blame for his death was him. He knowing drank booze and did dope. He was really worried about his baby and family.
    My mother was a sever asthmatic, granddaughter has asthma and I am border asthmatic, so yes I know a little about asthma. I am also a retired police office and have an EMT license. So yes I do know a little about what I wrote.

    • Ducksworthy

      So…Death to Dopers, right? OK then.

    • Urinal Biscuits

      You sound like a non-retired “doper.” Sounds more like you may have been a guy that defended your buddies as opposed to the constitution you swore to as well. I know a little about all of these things from experience and see a cover up of accountability by the police. I am don’t support suing every entity for every reason, but when you invite this upon your agency by simply not attempting to “maintain the peace,” you’re asking for it. They could have just put him in the car and let him go home and he’d still be alive and raising his child. Regarding your comments on the “puffer,” which was likely an albuterol sulfate inhaler, being tampered with and containing the drug he was “spaced” out on, I say you are a bumbling moron. Furthermore, your commentary on knowing about asthmatics is completely idiotic from that comment. Way to dehumanize a person because he took drugs while you likely sit there stuffing your face with Doritos and diet Coke which are known poisons with only obesity and diabetes “medications.”

    • EvanHurst

      I remember, back in my day, when we did acid out of PUFFERS.

    • Colleen

      As a retired LEO, please tell me, that you are noticing an increase in ‘gung-ho’ officers. It’s simply undeniable. It’s legitimately happening. And it’s scary.

      • loder74

        BS.

        • Colleen

          No, it’s really not. It used to be one or two FTOs got a new acadamy graduate who was just “young, dumb, and full of cum” until he answered a few soul-searching calls, got his ass beat by a suspect, and was in fear for a fellow LEO’s life. Then he settled into where he needed to be. The increase in those who see themselves as infallible, non-expendable, and ate-up with the “you ain’t sworn, you ain’t born” mentality. There are still good LEOs in service, but don’t pretend the ones I speak of don’t exist. Now, go play with someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

        • Takoma DC

          Look lodershit, Statistics and facts cannot be wished away GOP-style no matter how much you follow Carlos Castenedas’ techniques or metaphysics discussed in The Secret. Facts are facts. Narcissism in the U.S. isn’t anything new but now we have super-narcissists. I believe it’s due to people under 40 years of age having been brainwashed into believing they were exceptional, special, unique, and can do anything they like and whenever they like. Add feelings of white-man-power-lessness, white culture becoming less relevant, the internet and social media to the mix and it’s a potent cocktail for narcissists and sociopaths to be nurtured and to thrive in. I think the U.S. is second only to Great Britain. The accent is different but pathology the same.

    • Margaret Sturman

      The terms you use to describe the victim and your last sentence cancels out your well-thought out argument.

    • Takoma DC

      People with breathing difficulties should never be placed faced down. Nor should they be put into a choke hold. If you allow common sense and decency to dictate then there would be far fewer tragedies like this one. How many of us have at one point or another during a holiday, concert, or festival imbibed too much. I’m 43. Never have I called the police because someone was drunk and acting strangely. His wife wasn’t drunk and she was driving. It’s too bad she pulled over and some jerk off dialed 911. Now-a-days everyone is a “concerned” citizen. Just like the idiot who called LE on Tamir Rice (kid with a toy gun). In my day, we would have assisted the wife by talking him down, getting him into the car, and following her home. And if my neighbors saw one of us as kids playing with a toy gun, even those realistic looking ones, they’d not bat an eye – or would have come over to talk to us, “Hey there kiddo, watcha’ playing with?” It’s too easy these days to pretend to be a good citizen and good neighbor. I grew up in a small bucolic town not far from a major U.S. city but even us country bumpkins coming of age in the 1980’s and 1990’s knew never to involve the police in non-violent situations (we didn’t know of any violence anyway). Everything was mischief like knocking down mail boxes, drinking, going to concerts, late night drives to the city, the occasional novice accidental drug overdose (get them coffee-keep saying their name-keep them awake-get an older brother or sister who knew how to handle this type of situation). We never involved anyone over 25 in our dramas and all of us lived to tell.

    • Brandon

      you sir, i can say with 100% confidence, is a 100% idiot

    • Kim

      Doper? Hey, old man river, you do know the term doper hasn’t been used since 1960. Thank gawd you are retired. The world can do without a idiot like you.

    • Jessica Neubauer

      But evidently you didnt watch the video; your argument is invalid.

    • Lord-Nash

      You sir…

    • Cary Miller

      Yes, but were you there?

      • Blank Ron

        The pathetic little twunt no doubt belongs to the Bill O’Reilly School of Journalism and Observation.

    • akita96th

      Well why where these bastions of justice threatening people for video taping their actions…You can sing their praises but we all know they are murdering thugs with badges….and you sir are just a troll for the status Que…

    • Blank Ron

      Impressive. I would have thought EMTs and cops who’ve been on the force long enough to retire would know how to compose a sentence at higher than a fifth-grade level. Live and learn, I guess.

  • Colleen

    “Fuck tha Police”? No. Is there an epidemic happening? Absofuckinglutely. Sadly, too many current law enforcement are young, often bitter, over-zealous officers with a “If you ain’t sworn, you ain’t born” mentality. Psychological screening is failing. Histrionic narcissists are getting badges. It’s scary now. Years ago it was just “a fucking shame”, to quote my Dad, a retired Chief Deputy from a county sheriff’s office. (Haha! Don’t get to call me a ‘cop-hater’. My brother also worked for the same agency as my Dad and was killed in the Line of Duty, EOW March 19, 2009.) I know of what I speak. And, I am sad. And fucking scared.

  • loder74

    Here is something that won’t spark riots or be used to smear the reputation of law enforcement. The reason is that the dead man is not a member of a race that behaves like animals and the one he does belong to understands that cops have jobs that are very difficult and very dangerous.

    • Margaret Sturman

      Cops ARE dangerous, at least cops who hogtie a person while the wife is being threatened with arrest because she warned them he had asthma. You are a racist.

    • Takoma DC

      Loderofshit, If law enforcement can’t handle the “very difficult” and “very dangerous” aspects of their jobs then they should NOT work in law enforcement.

    • Jessica Neubauer

      The irony of a person who posits that cops do not kill People of color because of their color while asserting that people of color are animals; priceless.

    • Cary Miller

      The most dangerous job in this country is roofing, with logging second. And YOU are racist.

    • Blank Ron

      I pray to the Invisible Pink Unicorn (may Her holy hooves never be shod!) that you’re not Caucasian. I am sick to death of having to apologise for asswipes like you just because we share a melanin level, and I am sick to death of being embarrassed by you and your ilk.
      Go back to Stormfront, you racist piece of shit. They like your sort there.

      • Christine

        They deleted the post you are responding to. I wish they hadn’t because your response is awesome.

        • Blank Ron

          Thank you kindly. It was his ‘the race that acts like animals’ that pushed all my buttons. That shit don’t fly with this here poneh.

  • Bob Harrow

    Did these pigs have real real dark tinted sun glasses on or maybe it was just a drill on a crash dummy. I fck hate missipeee. Maybe a condrt flag tshirt is all he needed.. scum

  • Michael Campbell

    Some of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses…the chosen white who wear the badge in north Mississippi make sure that even their black cops are brainwashed to be as brutal to hippies and minorties as the white cops. If you are not a gorilla redneck caught in the act of beating your wife while putting out cigarettes on her skin, the cops in Mississippi will make sure to make your life a living hell by stealing all cash on your person from you and trumping up misdeameanor drug charges to serious drug charges. The Justice Department should investigate ALL north MS cops, starting with the shithole town of Madison, Mississippi!

  • Takoma DC

    Oh my! Something just doesn’t sound right about this story. Is it possible that although Goode looks 100% caucasian in his ancestry somewhere is dark unctuous unbridled African blood?

    • Blank Ron

      You mean, there might be *whispers* a ni99er in the woodshed? Land sakes, I may need my smelling salts!

  • Jessica Neubauer

    I cannot imagine anything more frightening than having an asthma attack with my arms and legs behind my back. When the hell with these petty officials stop treating peple like serfs in their petty fiefdoms?

    • William_C_Diaz

      I can, I was in the hospital and desperately needed my insulin and spent 8 hours begging and screaming for it before I had a stroke.

      Now I am disabled, living on Social Security.

      Here is the fun part, at the time it happened, I worked for the endocrine research lab as an NIH funded researcher working on diabetes.

      Have a great day!

  • Jessica Neubauer

    I hope everyone sane here realizes that if Wonkette had not done this article, every one of the police defenders here would be trolling other threads asking why there was no liberal outrage and wondering why the death of a white man didn’t make the news. But since we DO care about this man’s death, they have no choice but to defend his murderers.

    • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

      They’re here crying liberal racism….and defending his murderers. Trolls be trollin’.

  • Ken Chapel

    Cops commit murder everyday in America….piss on the Thin Blue Line

  • Lord-Nash

    My reaction to this story…

  • Takoma DC

    Correction: Police Chief Tom ‘Nostradamus’ Long.

  • Christine

    I have asthma. This story horrifies me. That poor man was tortured to death.

    • donna

      So do I!

  • Zoey0728

    Heartbreaking.
    I cannot imagine being tied down and tasered while having an asthma
    attack. When an attack hits me, I just want to stand up and try to
    breathe, and it hurts so much. I can’t bare to think of what this poor
    young man went through. These police should be charged with murder.
    And, the fact that they wouldn’t let his wife or mother be with him is
    just inhumane.

  • Cathy CC.

    Why isnt this national news? All day on CNN is Sandra Bland, she killed herself. But this guy is white so no one cares.

    • Yeah, that’s it Cathy, you nailed it.

      The media NEVER pays any attention to white people…

      (Seriously, where do you fucking people come from?)

      • Festy

        Really?!? Where the fuck are you from shitpixel? Self important shit for brains… Do you even watch the news? Do you see this story anywhere else??? Did you hear about the guy who was murdered by my house a few months ago, unarmed, cuz a car backfired (allegedly)? No you didn’t, it was only in local news one night cuz he was white. So stfu. Your obviously a racist with no brain.

        • A swing and a miss.

          Gotta love these White Rights people… #BlackPrivilege

        • William_C_Diaz

          Really? Are you that much of an idiot or do you just suck at the googles? A simple google search will reveal a great many news venues who have explored this story to some extent of another.

          And I know Im not racist, because some of my favorite porn stars are white…

          Have a great day!

      • Cathy CC.

        Whiteland.

    • Janis F Blackwell

      Because the media are playing divide and conquer with us. They put what they want on the news pretty much to start shit. No he didn’t have much coverage as Sandra Bland, but you know what they did put all over the news. That white kid killing all of those blacks in the church. The media is trying to instigate a fight. The put what ever the hell they want on the news, sit back and watch it blow up. Then do it again and again. And we all keep falling for it…

    • racheal fi

      Cathy who the hell do you think runs CNN? FOX?NBC?ABC? black people?! not a chance. its not that no one cares when white people are killed. stop making shit about race! its about what the main stream wants to put out there.

  • disquslova

    Most white people don’t care about racism but you should because black people are the miner’s canary. Anything that’s happening to us is going to eventually happen to you. There’s even a book proving this. So yes, you should care that Ms. Bland died in police custody because that same cop may hog tie you and deny you your asthma medication. Why? Because every time you ignore police brutality against black people, you simply empower a sociopath.

    • ms_sadie

      What is the book? Would like to read it.

    • mantis1us

      I couldn’t agree more! The “canary in the coalmine” is spot on!

  • Kansas

    This made me physically ill. What if this was my husband? He is also an asthmatic, and any idiot knows you cannot safely tie a person up like that, especially someone who is already having an attack. This is a monstrous way to die! Why do we continue to defend these bully cops?

  • pwlsax

    It’s not too soon to talk about police brutality. In fact it may be too late.

  • talktothe hand

    This troubles me to no end. I have a bi-racial grandson that has asthma. I worry constantly about the police harming him. It’s evident that the police in this country are out of control. Don’t get me started on the civil rights that a being violated either. Those idiots cannot tell you to stop filming, that’s a first amendment right!

  • Andrea_Rae

    As a transgender I am terrified of the police, they can do whatever the heck they want to you for whatever reason they choose with little/no recourse.

    I got stopped for speeding, first time in 16yrs, and the officer was pleasant until he found out I was trans, it was like flipping a switch, instant dick. . . . .

    • Clint Jaysiel

      He was a dick already. he just turned off the white privilege switch ;)

  • It is stories like this that are the most convincing to me that there is absolutely no such thing as a “good cop”. Not because all of them are brutal sadistic killers, but because the majority are not. No, they may not be the ones with blood on thier hands, but they most certainly do sit back and not only allow the “bad cops” to do this type of thing that first time they come unglued, oh, no. That’s just the beginning of what can become a decades long routine. They cover for them, allow criminal behaviors to continue, they then refuse to do their jobs by arresting the offending officers, and instead just begin turning away so they can pretend they don’t know which coworkers are beating their wives, raping the pretty women when stopped for speeding, or beating the homeless man to death because they no longer have control of themselves when it comes to their adrenaline addiction. THEY ALL KNOW WHO THEY ARE. And when same or similar incidents happen later down the line, it’s just all normal, since it’s practically a requirement of the job to cover for the brutal bastards they call “brothers”. The only time these supposedly “good” cops will arrest another officer committing a crime is when there are too many witnesses, often including some of those same cops who claim to have no prior knowledge that their partner whom they spent upwards of 9 hours a day with liked to use their position of power to terrorize a civilian. And we’re supposed to believe them! They also might finally file charges when the crime is so heinous that the community will not allow them to continue to shelter their brother in blue, and the other officers know that they have to give up the sacrificial lamb now, so that the other officers who merely steal drugs from the evidence room, or trade sex with a prostitute in exchange for letting them off the hook “this time” can continue, as they’ve avoided a full outside investigation by essentially cannibalizing the worst of the bunch. So you see, there truly is no such thing as a good cop. Not One. In fact, at least the criminals in uniform don’t pretend to be something they’re not. They’re criminals with a free pass and they know it. The others not only lie to themselves, they lie to US, the people who pay their wages and may depend on them at some point for a specific service. I trust them far less. They’re smarmy pond scum, down to a one.

    • Frank Reese

      I’m not going to say “there’s good cops” but really think about what you’re saying.

      People constantly say “other cops let bad cops get away with this so they are all bad”. Life isn’t like Serpico, mostly because of Serpico. But also most of the time life isn’t like movies. Assume I’m a bad cop and you’re a “good cop”. I kill someone. Now I know what police look for (because I am one) and I doctor the scene relatively well.

      I then walk into the station telling the story how this guy shot at me and I returned fire. I’m not going to turn to you and say “Hey I actually murdered that guy, high five!” I’m not going to say “Hey don’t look to hard into this.” I really don’t tell you anything because I’m not going to risk going to jail by bragging about getting away with murder. I’m not dumb.

      Let’s pretend you look into the crime, everything adds up. Again this isn’t CSI where you can go “hey look This is clearly wrong.” Life isn’t like tv shows either. The guy has gunshot residue on his hands, there is a bullet hole behind where I was standing, the guy was shot from a reasonable angle, no witnesses. He has a weapon, and it’s a random gun. There’s only one person who saw it, and it’s me.

      What do you expect the other cops to do? Immediately arrest a cop there’s no evidence against or shun him?

      People have this idea that life is so black and white, and the fact is most of the time life is really grey. Most cops don’t have the option of arresting or not arresting someone based on a suspicion they are supposed to go by the facts, and if there’s no facts that lead them to believe that another cop commited a crime, that’s sadly the end of the story.

  • NotALiar

    He could not have died from an LSD overdose. That is total bullshit. If he had made it to the hospital they would have given him Xanax to bring him down. Of course he never made it there because he was murdered.

  • merl1

    Not only was he an acid head, I heard that he once skipped church. he was an obvious thug.

  • faketony

    I could have more sympathy if he hadn`t done something similar in 2008.

    Family sure did lawyer-up fast.

    How many 6′,140lb, 30yo men do you people know? Strikes me as unusual.

    Anyone else read the newspaper article he had to be moved in the ICU because he was disruptive?

    There is no one national standard for treating people like this. If I were a jury member in a lawsuit, would have to say the police did nothing wrong and hope they learn something from the experience treating someone the next time.

  • jane hand

    omg I am starting to hate these fucking cops. What kind of people go into this job. the more horrible stories I read of things they do, the more I am hoping something changes.

    First the murder of the black man that did not have front tag on car leaving 10 kids who loved him without a father and now this precious little boy will never know his dad which is a big deal..wife may blame herself somehow and a mom will never get over the loss off her young son

    They are so abusive and power hungry..they cannot gain respect due to their crappy character so they demand it by being a -holes. Not caring even when the man says he cant breath, stopping people from filming their sins/scenes and threatening the wife and mother of the man with arrest and trumping up their loved one’s charges so he goes to jail and they lose his monetary and emtional support and presence and forbidding them from seeing him alive.

    Just horrible pos human being..they just keep presenting us with case after case. I hope I do not have to deal with them personal..the last two encounters with them (speeding and no seat belt/ and small swerve just i looked down a minutes they are really rude, self righteous, I hope I never have to deal with them again.

  • donna

    Asthma Attacks are no joke, & hogtying, all that could’ve resulted in his death! I smell a lawsuit! Black people aren’t the only ones dying in Police Custody! All Sharpton & YOU ARE WHERE NOW? #ALLLIVESMATTER

    • racheal fi

      why does every story about a killing have to be about race?! this is about brutality not about blacks and whites.

      • Kate

        Because when a black person gets treated this way and dies in police custody there are riots and protesting that it’s a hate crime.

        • racheal fi

          That’s not true at all! Only a small percentage of blacks who are legitimately killed by racist pigs actually see justice and many blacks who protest dont actually riot.my family didn’t riot when my grandfather was beaten to death by the kkk.there was no media coverage or justice for him and many others who have died by the hands of bigots. but Anytime a story of a hate crime comes up and the media is all over it I constantly hear how blacks get special treatment. And every time I say the same thing……. it’s not black people that control the news. Blacks don’t control what gets aired on fox or abc. The media picks what sells and racism sells.

          • Kate

            Why do you think racism sells? And I’m very sorry about your grandfather. That was a senseless tragedy. :( But I think the last lynching by the kkk was 1981, almost 35 years ago. Times have changed a bit in that regard.

            Personally, I have never quite trusted the police, have never wanted to ever have involvement with them on the wrong side of the law, and work hard to keep my life on the up and up. I have many friends of all ethnicity with that same mentality. More whites die in the hands of the police than blacks do. I agree with you that the true issue is police brutality.

            I haven’t seen any white riots or protests though…

          • DZ349

            I hate, hate hate when white people say, “More whites die at the hands of police than blacks do, but you don’t see white people rioting.” Say it with me, now: P-R-O-P-O-R-T-I-O-N. If the U.S. was comprised of 49% blacks, 49% whites, and 2% everyone else, then you would have a point. But considering that the percentage of the black population in this country makes up just a fraction compared to the population of whites, OF COURSE more whites get killed by the police. But it doesn’t change the fact that the ratio of the 14% of blacks in this country being targeted by crooked cops is exponentially larger than the ratio of whites being targeted.

            You haven’t seen any white riots or protests against police brutality yet the first moment that a white person dies in police custody such as Troy Goode (RIP) white people will be the first to wave their #ALLLIVESMATTER flags, demand Al Sharpton’s presence, and bitch and complain about why the media isn’t giving the white deceased as much press coverage or attention. You jump on the backs of the movement that blacks created out of desperation when it suits you (turning #BlackLivesMatter into #AllLivesMatter) while the police do the same (turning #BlackLivesMatter into #BlueLivesMatter) all to weaken the validity of the #BLM movement. Here’s an idea, if you’re going to criticize black people for rioting and protesting in order to get the attention of the media and police unions, and actually DO something to combat police brutality, then DON’T complain when white lives lost at the hands of police and the media isn’t reporting it. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. If white people are too sophisticated, classy, and above rioting and protesting, then DON’T expect to achieve the same level of impact unless you’re ready to work for it. And certainly, DON’T expect black public figures to do your work for you, because I’m pretty sure Al Sharpton and whoever else white people hate don’t want to hear it while you sit your asses down behind your computer screens and criticize their efforts to speak up on a very critical issue. This just gets me so annoyed, typical white privilege at its finest.

          • Your answer was just as amazing as you said mine was. Hopefully, the message will sink in. Although it could also be that some white people (other than my wonderful white hubby) are just to busy out there protesting stupid carp like the thousands that showed up to cheer on Kim Davis in KY, or the businesses that won’t serve gay people, or abortion clinics or Cliven Bundy. You know I’m starting to think their actual priorities are only their own fault & the hash tag should be #ALLLIVESMATTEREXCEPTGAYSBLACKSTHEPOORLIBERALWOMEN

          • DZ349

            Yes!!!! Hahaha, that really is the underlying hashtag!

          • Kate

            I don’t know how to respond to your comments. I’ve lived and worked in areas with a high proportion of minorities. I agree that many cops have bad attitudes. Though I don’t think the issue is as simple as bad cop, poor innocent harassed blacks. Peaceful protests are great. Burning down a neighborhood and looting it… not so great.

    • Since I’m bi-racial, I have the pleasure (or non-pleasure as I see it, since protesting someone’s death shouldn’t be a competition nor something to get righteous over) to swing either way & support all sides. I like to send my white hubby out to protest homophobic a*holes, send my kids (who’d more than pass for white with blue eyes, blonde hair & Snow White skin to defend Planned Parenthood, infiltrate & shake up a few KKK rallies, & I split my time deciding which person, & of which race, deserves my protesting signs & bi-racial presence this week. We’re equal opportunity protesters, after all. Though, I’d think that as a full-on white person, this’d be your job (or at least forte) to lead a protest, if you’re so concerned about the lack of fair protesting on behalf of white victims’. That’d sorta be like an atheist leading & organizing the protest on behalf of Hobby Lobby & their religious exemptions or Bill O’Reilly & Trump leading a pro-immigration protest to maintain sanctuary cities.

      Besides, why do white people whine about the unfair protesting (regardless of the actual larger ratio of minorities to police involved deaths) because in the end, ANY & ALL protesting for a black person’s death will hopefully lead to changes & fewer minority police brutality cases, but in turn, will then obviously lead to fewer cases of police brutality against all races. So, you white folks will benefit too. Don’t worry, the man will get a fair (or typically larger) share & will probably reap the benefits off the back of the #BlackLivesMatter’s hard work (sound familiar?). Don’t be angry just cause black people got the protesting police brutality bug first, with more vigor & press coverage. Even Westboro Craptist Church can cause a media ruckus-filled protest, so gather up Huckabee or the 700 Club members & head on down to MS. if need be. Don’t put all the weight on Sharpton’s shoulders to lead every protest in the country. White folks need to contribute more to the cause too.

      Sharpton hasn’t led protests for every person killed by police, whether white or black. If he did, there’d be a protest in each state almost every day of the year, which is clearly not feasible, as black people do actually work (despite what Fox News has reported). For example, he hasn’t been here in Cincinnati yet, so I must cry “Our Cincinnati case is a black man & more heinous. So, where are you now, Sharpton?!”

      Oh duh, he only needs to protest when city officials don’t do their job & refuse to prosecute or adequately investigate. Thus, allowing a criminal cop to walk & terrorize more citizens; hence, the need for protesting. Heck, we had a case here about 10 years ago where 3 UC cops killed a black man, no one was prosecuted & Sharpton never caused a ruckus. We have 2 UC cops (or glorified security guards as we UC students call ’em) in the Dubose case who told felonious lies, one was involved in a similar death before, & whom helped back up this killer cop’s false story. Neither are getting prosecuted (though should be) & are now on the so-called,go-to typical cop punishment of the horrendous, administrative paid leave (yes, my taxes, past tuition & my son’s current tuition are funding these douches to do nothing but be hypocrites). Sharpton isn’t at any of the recent protests.

      This MS. case is just now being widely reported & already has a seemingly extensive investigation, & a lengthy lawsuit, underway; there may be nothing to protest yet.

      Of course, #ALLLIVESMATTER, but do they really, since no one can deny the statistical ratio of who’s more likely to die by a cop’s hand, end up in jail longer & more often, & be called criminal thugs for drug charges while the white,rich drug addicts (& murderers, pedophiles, rapists etc.) get a pass, counseling or seriously short prison time. Let’s not forget the ratio of when Fox News calls minorities charged with murder animals,thugs & how they’re not surprised cause of their upbringing by/in an “urban” neighborhood, non-family values single mom who’s never affected by the elusive (Lochness-level) “income inequality” or “white privilege”, Liberal ideology, immigrant…(insert any # of racial/political stereotypes), while they then simply muse as to how the white criminal commits murder that should never somehow occur in a quiet,white area of town & that white murderer is sympathetic, & simply mentally whose neighbors say was so nice; definitely not a thug murderer that was living in our white area (as if they’ve never heard of any white serial killers or haven’t seen Dateline NBC, 20/20, any Lifetime True TV movie etc.).

      That’s even if they can fit the stories of white crime on the front, or any page, in between the killer immigrants, email servers, Iran deals, ISIS Christian be-headings 4,000 mi. away, spare parts…(insert any # of Liberal “downfalls”). Check comments from any Fox News article written about the little Calif. girl’s murder by her neighbor after they released the teen suspect’s heritage. Then read ones from before when the 15 yo. killer was assumed to be possibly white; then tell me if many people truly believe ALL lives matter, or if ALL lives matter is just another ploy to detract from the issue at hand (sort of like spare fetus body parts). BTW, check out articles about the Middle East too & you’ll really see that, unfortunately, #ONLYWHITERICHAMERICANLIVESMATTER

      • DZ349

        Amazing, amazing, amazing response. My mouth literally dropped. Everyone should read your response, ProofoftheCon.

  • Debbie Stone

    This is horrifying. I have asthma. When I am having an attack I desperately need to be sitting up and leaning forward or I can’t breath. Being hog tied and placed face down and strapped with head in a downward facing position would absolutely without any doubt kill me. This man was completely asphyxiated by being left in that position. Plain and simple the police killed him from lack of medical asthma knowledge. What a horrible way to die. If he did indeed suffer a heart attack it’s because of the intense panic he must have felt while being hogtied and unable to breath. Who the heck wouldn’t panic if this were happening to them?

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