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Abortion Industrial Complex strikes again!

Here is some bullshit.

You may have heard about or even watched the horrific and shocking five-alarm Drudge siren alert video released Tuesday, proving, according to its title, that “Planned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts.” The video was released by the Center for Medical Progress. Never heard of it? That’s because it didn’t really exist before Tuesday.

According to its website, CMP is a non-profit “group of citizen journalists dedicated to monitoring and reporting on medical ethics and advances.” Except that neither the site nor its Facebook page show any work by the group other than this video and a few documents it obtained, supposedly supporting the video’s allegations. Its Twitter account appears to have been created in May of this year and, other than a “Hello, Twitter” tweet, used solely to promote its Planned Parenthood video.

Here is some more bullshit.

The site lists only one name from this “group of citizen journalists”: David Daleiden. Who the fuck is he? Well, before he was seeking your donations for his investigative journalism into medical ethics, he wrote at Live Action News, a “pro-life” site dedicated to “investigating” abortion providers, primarily Planned Parenthood. For example, in 2011 he authored this great piece of “journalism” about Kansas passing a shiny new bill “giving the Health Department enhanced powers to regulate abortion clinics” — in other words, further empowering the state to investigate reports by “pro-life” organizations that abortion providers were maybe (except never actually) committing criminal behavior. Like abortions, which are not actually criminal, but so what? Report them anyway, shut them down, and then oh well! Anti-choice advocates hoped this exciting law would allow Kansas to finally put out of business the state’s few remaining abortion clinics after Dr. George Tiller was assassinated in his church by “pro-lifer” Scott Roeder.

There’s no indication of what citizen journalist Daleiden thinks of the medical ethics of murdering doctors. Maybe that’ll be his next project? He is awfully concerned about the well-being of “abortionists,” after all. In 2010, he wrote a piece for the Weekly Standard, in which he decries the lack of research and studies about the “emotional distress for the abortionist.”

Here is even more bullshit.

In 2009, a wee lad “journalist” named Charles Johnson, writing at his site the Claremont Conservative, reported a riveting tale about “David Daleiden’s Group, Live Action” producing a video that showed Planned Parenthood doing naughty crime things, like covering up statutory rape. (Yes, Charles Johnson is that Charles Johnson, aka Charles C. Johnson, aka Chuck Johnson, aka that orange-haired asshole troll who is now permanently banned from Twitter. It’s like all these jerk “citizen journalists” know each other or something, WEIRD.)

That particular video was one of a series of “sting” videos created by Live Action, in which “pro-life” activists like Daleiden go undercover, as pimps and prostitutes, or as minors with their older statutory rapist boyfriends, to try to coax Planned Parenthood employees into breaking the law. Almost all of the time, Live Action failed to get what it wanted, because Planned Parenthood is not actually a criminal enterprise run by Big Abortion’s most evil masterminds. So Live Action simply edited its videos to make it appear as if Planned Parenthood workers were breaking the law. Then it released these edited videos and shouted “GOTCHA!” and demanded further investigations into Planned Parenthood’s supposed wrongdoing. Just as CMP is doing now, with its GOTCHA! video. Huh, what a strange coincidence.

Here is EVEN MORE bullshit.

CMP claims its video is the result of a “3-year-long investigative journalism study of Planned Parenthood’s illegal trafficking of aborted fetal parts,” about which Daleiden concludes:

Planned Parenthood’s criminal conspiracy to make money off of aborted baby parts reaches to the very highest levels of their organization. Elected officials must listen to the public outcry for Planned Parenthood to be held accountable to the law and for our tax dollars to stop underwriting this barbaric abortion business.

The video is a secret recording of some off-camera undercover “journalists” having a lunch meeting with Dr. Deborah Nucatola, senior director of medical services for Planned Parenthood Federation of America, so it’s hard to understand how it took three years to “investigate” hitting the record button and then uploading it to YouTube. The eight-minute video supposedly (but not really) shows Dr. Nucatola explaining to these prospective customers how Planned Parenthood harvests highly desirable “body parts” — heads, hearts, limbs, livers — to illegally sell for $30 to $100. Whoa if true, et cetera.

Planned Parenthood says it’s not true, obviously, and the “heavily edited” video in no way accurately portrays what the organization actually does, nor does it provide any evidence of the chamber of fetus-parts horrors the producers promise. But who are you going to believe: Planned Parenthood or some schmuck who’s been shouting GOTCHA! at Planned Parenthood for the last five years? Here is what Planned Parenthood actually does, according to its statement:

At several of our health centers, we help patients who want to donate tissue for scientific research, and we do this just like every other high-quality health care provider does — with full, appropriate consent from patients and under the highest ethical and legal standards. There is no financial benefit for tissue donation for either the patient or for Planned Parenthood. In some instances, actual costs, such as the cost to transport tissue to leading research centers, are reimbursed, which is standard across the medical field.

In case you remain unconvinced, there’s more. Snopes apparently viewed the entire “unedited” video, which is almost three hours long, and it is STILL unable to conclude that the video supports CMP’s outrageous claims of illegally trafficked aborted fetus parts. Snopes does note, however:

Although it is unlawful “to knowingly acquire, receive, or otherwise transfer any human fetal tissue for valuable consideration if the transfer affects interstate commerce,” it is legal for patients to donate extracted material for medical research. It’s possible that Nucatola is merely outlining the costs (e.g., labor, shipping) of that process, which allows “reasonable payments associated with the transportation, implantation, processing, preservation quality control, or storage of human fetal tissue.”

Hmm, the cost of extracting and shipping perfectly legal fetal tissue for perfectly legal medical research isn’t quite as sensational, is it? But that hasn’t stopped “pro-lifers” from denouncing Planned Parenthood, calling for its defunding, demanding that it be investigated, and blah blahing about the Abortion Industrial Complex. Gov. Bobby Jindal has already announced that Louisiana will conduct an investigation into Planned Parenthood, and he has ordered the state’s Department of Health and Hospitals “to not issue any licenses until this investigation is complete.” There’s no indication whatsoever that this video was made in Louisiana or has anything at all to do with his state, but hey, what a convenient opportunity to show Republican primary voters how tough he is on women’s health!

Gonna have to go with BULLSHIT.

Maybe Daleiden and his anonymous accomplices are right, and Planned Parenthood is illegally harvesting fetal body parts, for fun and profit, in which case BOO and shame on you, Planned Parenthood. But this SHOCKING! new video proves no such thing. It does prove that the same guy who’s spent years trying to destroy one of the nation’s biggest and best providers of women’s healthcare, with his unapologetically “anti-choice” bias and creatively edited “sting” videos, is still at it, peddling what is, in all likelihood, just more of the Same Old Bullshit.

[The Center for Medical Progress YouTube / The Times-Picayune / Planned Parenthood / Snopes]

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  • So THAT’S the stuff in ‘scrapple’.

    • Msgr_Moment

      You can’t spell scrapple without the crap.

    • r m reddicks

      Find Kentucky Burgoo.

      • onedollarjuana

        Friend of mine has an old recipe for burgoo. First ingredient is a whole cow. Really.

        • r m reddicks

          That’s gotta’ be a damn big pot. That’s why I always use babby parts.

  • Lizzietish81

    And here I was assuming that was what they used to make those delicious protein shakes.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    Hmmm….RWNJ “citizen journalists” seem to have a real thing for dressing up like pimps and prostitutes.

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      You don’t actually think O’Queef could get laid without the exchange of hard currency, do you?

      • Viva La Tabula Raza

        Given what we know about him, I would not be surprised if he resorted to the Cosby Gambit whenever the opportunity presented itself.

    • HolidayinCambodia

      “Write what you know.”

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        I’m sure they’re about as convincing at this as Ann Romney in her Flava Flav gear.

    • Antimassacree

      They spend a lot of time with Koch whores.

  • dslindc

    Just what the world needs, another man telling lies to grift the right and fight women’s health care. Gross.

  • Viva La Tabula Raza

    It’s true; they sell a lot of those parts to Mexican restaurants. Where do you think fajeetus come from?

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      Humus be kidding me.

  • Viva La Tabula Raza

    This Dildodein guy should team up with James O’Keefe. Together, they could rule the world!

    • Catstro

      Are we sure O’Queef wasn’t part of this crack team of journalists? I feel like he’ll turn up with a little more digging.

      • JMPesq

        I recall that he did try to do one of his stupid slanderous “stings” against Planned Parenthood, but this sounds like a separate but similar attack on them.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    Center For 14th Century Medical Progress

  • Msgr_Moment

    Happy Jade Helm, comrades! I’ve been assured that nasty tattletales like David Daleiden and Chucky “Johnson” will not be much of a problem after about Oh-nine-hundred today, Pacific time.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Is that time Loretta Lynch is holding the ribbon cutting ceremony at the new FEMA camp?

  • Lizzietish81

    Interesting how recording some activity, like say dumping toxic waste into waterways or beating cows is becoming illegal, but trying to entrap abortion providers and then heavily editing interviews is encouraged.

    • goonemeritus

      Because Freedom

  • Viva La Tabula Raza

    I am stunned that Dr. Nucatola sat through a three hour meeting/interview with these jaspers.

    • Lizzietish81

      She drew the short straw that day

    • That is actually the most shocking and least credible part of all of this.

  • Msgr_Moment

    How is babby formed?
    From spare parts, duh.

    • Viva La Tabula Raza

      It’s like that song Johnny Cash sang, “One Piece at a Time.”
      ♫It’s a ’49, ’50, ’51, ’52, ’53, ’54, ’55, ’56, ’57 automobile…♪

      • HolidayinCambodia

        And PP is smuggling little tiny livers out of their Abortionplices in their lunch pails.

        Which is as it should be.

    • Doug Langley

      . .

    • Just like Chicken McNuggets!

      • Antimassacree

        Parts is parts.

  • PirateCafe

    Now we know where Soylent Green comes from!

    • JustPixelz

      But we’ve known that for years. Is that what passes for journalism now?

    • Antimassacree

      This would be the veal version.

  • AntiDerpomeme

    Assholes, the bunch of ’em. More concerned about forcing women into the role of baby-making machines than anything else. And not giving a rat’s ass about the babies already in this world.

    Now, onto a completely different topic. I saw this article this AM and thought of you all: Have doctors ever found teeth in a vagina?

    • Msgr_Moment

      The reality is that it’s incredibly unlikely to come across a vagina in need of dental work.

      Open up and say “Ahhhhh”?

    • Catstro

      Ew. I woke up already not feeling well enough to eat breakfast (summer colds are the worst). Now I may go on ahead and skip lunch.

      • AntiDerpomeme

        I AM UNAPOLOGETIC! But sorry you don’t feel well, man. Get better ASAP.

        • Catstro

          I’m a big fan of sharing parasite horror stories, so I was due a little payback. Plus, I clicked on that link of my own free will. Thanks for the get well wishes, it’s just a cold (but it’s a summer cold, ugh)
          Summer Cold

    • Msgr_Moment

      There was that time grandpa lost his choppers up in there…..

      • Antimassacree

        Shoulda used polygrip!

        • Blank Ron

          Worst. Lube. EVER.

    • Gonna go out on a limb and say that in the Venn diagram of People Who Are Assholes About Women’s Sexuality And Reproductive Health there is a high degree of overlap between this crowd and the guys who just know that all women lie about rape and the guys who are sure they’re not the father of any particular baby (and won’t pay child support).

      • calliecallie

        And all the Republican preznitial candidates fall right in the sweet spot of that Venn diagram, don’t they?

        • Carly Fiorina probably hasn’t ever gotten anyone pregnant, but apart from that, your point is well taken.

      • Smibo

        I always thought the Venn diagram of those three groups would be a perfect circle.

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      It’s like King Crabs. The old ones have teeth.

    • Dudleydidwrong

      So “Deep Throat” could have been about reality? That explains why the film is shown in med schools, I guess. (Oops. Sorry. I meant at stag parties in med schools. My bad.)

    • SnarkTank

      No, but Harry Reems found a clitoris in Linda Lovelace’s throat.

      • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

        The women of the world would be a lot happier if it was as easy to find as a uvula.

        • bozilingus

          “It would behoove ya to inspect your uvula.” Gilda Radnor

        • SnarkTank

          Um….I’ve never had a problem FINDING it. It’s right there up front. Making it “happy” on the other hand…

    • geoffalnutt

      Verily. Wisdom teeth.

  • Tallmutha

    Hold on–there’s a thriving black market for dead baby heads?

  • You know the old saying, “One man’s scrap is another mans psychotic fetish.”

  • lucidamente

    So that’s what that new wing on the local Abortionplex is for.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      I’d think the Gift Shop sign would give it away.

  • sharculese

    IF they actually cared about preventing abortions, they should be enthusiastic about research of fetal tissue that might help better understand prenatal medical issues and reduce the need for late-term abortions.

    I repeat, IF they actually cared about preventing abortions.

    • JMPesq

      Well of course they do, that’s why the anti-abortionist folks support making contraception readily available and affordable along with comprehensive sex education that-

      -sorry, can’t keep typing with a straight face.

      • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

        That’s pretty funny, considering you are a robot and all…

  • Beaumarchais?

    These people don’t have enough to do.

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      Persecuting vaginas is its own reward.

    • Relativicus

      Nvm. Sounded better in my noggin.

  • Bill Slider

    Harvesting body parts of fetal tissue for $30 to $100, interesting, but it does not meet the test of a bountiful harvest. Where do I buy these spare parts, at the weekend flea market held at the local drive-in movie theater? Do they come with a free DVD of Whatever happened to Baby Jane? Does it cost extra for testing for compatable blood type? If it is an arm, or a head, will the skin color match?

    • Viva La Tabula Raza

      Hey man, $30-$100 is pretty cheap, you’ve just got to do your homework before making your purchase. Caveat emptor…

    • Barley_Brains

      Yea, I can see the stands at the flea market: Tube Socks, Kettle Corn, Human Fetus Parts, Day-old Krispy Kreme Donuts, etc.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      Flea market at the local drive-in theater? Oh, Bill, you must be as old as me. How sad.

      • Bill Slider

        As old, I have no doubt, but there is an old drive-In theater, no screen, between Baltimore and Annapolis, that still has weekend flea markets. I went about two years ago, with a couple of Spanish friends. My first thought was how did this escape development? I didn’t find anything I wanted, but I didn’t expect too. Lots of baby clothes and used Tupperware, along with what appeared to be shipment boxes of jeans and T-shirts.
        It was sort of fun to go once.

        • Blank Ron

          There’s one along Hwy 5 between Buffalo and Erie, and one south of Edinboro PA. Both still have their screens in place, though movies there are a distant memory.

      • Amalga

        Or live between SeaTac and Federal Way where, I believe, the drive-in theater/flea market still lives.

        • gedjcj

          The Midway Drive-in closed down in the nineties, the Swap and Shop lived on until the site was demolished in 2005. The Star Lite Swap Meet in Lakewood is apparently still going strong though.

  • PubOption

    This can’t possibly be true. They should be charging several thousand for the parts.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    So THIS is where floral shops get that “baby’s breath” used to adorn their lovely bouquets…

  • Lord-Nash

    Is this baby powder made from real or artificial babies?

    • eggsacklywright

      And baby oil???

    • Logic of Color

      and (gasp) baby FOOOOD?!

    • Antimassacree

      Well, there are a few baby formulas.

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      Mmmm, baby back ribs!

      • Lord-Nash

        I’ll never watch a Chili’s commercial the same way again.

    • SnarkTank

      And Girl Scout cookies….

    • Hollywooddeed

      Where do you think feta cheese comes from? So shut up.

  • Can’t wait for the part of this story where it turns out that someone who has been “investigating” Planned Parenthood turns out to be the beneficiary of and/or need medical advances that were developed through fetal tissue research.

    • Lord-Nash

      We must ban test tubes! Why? Because that is where test tube babies come from!

      • Doug Langley

        If test tubes are outlawed, only outlaws will have test tubes. Or something.

    • HolidayinCambodia

      Do they use fetal tissue to research penis enlargement devices?

      • Relativicus

        Yes, when you hear someone state that so-and-so’s dick is “like a baby’s arm,” they’re being literal.

        • Barbara Delaney

          Like a baby’s arm with a GMO apple in its fist.

      • If they did, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. You wouldn’t even be allowed to carry a child full-term unless you had the proper paperwork.

    • anniegetyerfun

      Child molester, also too.

  • SuspectedDemocrat

    And that’s where cabbage patch kids come from!

  • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

    Charles Johnson.

    You wrote it wrong. Should be “Charles, Johnson.”

  • Olav_Pompatus

    If they are selling them, them I’m pretty sure they’d get the best price by putting the parts up on eBaby.com.

  • Oblios_Cap

    I hear there’s a special on stem cells this week.

  • eggsacklywright

    Brraaiinnss!

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      The little ones are nice and tart.

      • anniegetyerfun

        With a nice Claret?

  • HolidayinCambodia

    I don’t understand why this would be a bad thing, even if it were actually occurring.

    Are these people capitalists, or aren’t they?

    • JustPixelz

      The market has spoken.

  • Antimassacree

    I checked the ‘organ donar’ box on my driver’s license without reading the fine print. Now everytime the doorbell rings I worry it is the guys who have come to extract my liver.

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      They took mine and gave it back.

      • Antimassacree

        I suspect more than a few Wonkeputian livers have been ‘rode hard and put away wet.’

    • Little Lulu

      They can have my appendix.

    • exinkwretch

      Best line ever from M*A*S*H (from Hawkeye) “When I croak, they’re gonna have to beat my liver to death with a stick.”

      • Doug Langley

        Second best: Hawkeye sits down in the mess hall and starts eating.
        Frank: “Where did you get that liver? They’re not serving that.”
        Hawkeye: “You know that patient that croaked?”
        Dropped jaws all around.

  • eggsacklywright

    So that’s where Cheney gets his parts.

    • HolidayinCambodia

      Well, at least for his skeet shooting.

      “Pull!”

    • geoffalnutt

      Midas

  • JustPixelz

    I guess the forced-birthers have given up on moral persuasion as a strategy. … HAHAHAHA … They gave up on that years ago.

  • Bill Slider

    Clunker babies, assembled entirely from used body parts, matching limbs, optional, matching gender optional, matching nationality, rare.

    • PigDootsMolloy
    • 24601
      • tohu777

        Walker doesn’t look…right. I’m serious. Everything in that face is wrong. Makes me think Walker’s Gawd-Amighty is a poor artist…

        • Mehmeisterjr

          Or He’s been heavily influenced by Picasso.

      • Obviously Planned Parenthood took all the aborted parts and stitched them together to make a person.

        • Mehmeisterjr

          If they can’t stitch the parts together better than that, maybe they ought to get out of the parts-stitching business.

  • JustPixelz

    Queefing and O’Keefe got married.

  • calliecallie

    If vaginas have teeth, and abortionists have emotional stress, does that make abortionists the new dentists?

    • geoffalnutt

      Orthocuntist?

  • Logic of Color

    Any idea if these parts will work in a cat? I have a little home project brewing.

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      Of course you do. You are a dog.

      • 24601

        What exactly are you saying?

    • r m reddicks

      “You made us things!” Or is that “You made us things!”? I’m sure they’ll be happy either way!

  • The washington post published this garbage without the slightes scepticism.

  • MrBlobfish

    Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

    • Left Coast Tom

      Is that one of those “ceremonial” laws that fundamentalists don’t believe needs to be followed?

      • Celtic_Gnome

        Evidently.

    • jmk

      You’re clearly taking that out of context…or it no longer applies since Jesus fulfilled the law…or that was a parable….or a figure of speech… or not to be taken literally…or some other argle bargle that boils down to “but, but…lying for Jesus isn’t lying!” *

      *Note: This is totally different from the bad, bad, oooh-scary Moooooslim practice of taqiyya.

  • Blender_415

    Dammit, I was going to sell all this fetal tissue sitting around my house to fund my wedding; guess I’ll have to set up a GoFundMe page.

    • Tony Alexander

      take my $$$$$!

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      Be mindful of the conservative sister site, GoFundieMe.

    • anniegetyerfun

      Well, there’s always the slow cooker.

      • Ants In My Eyes Johnson

        Fetus parts are really good as a protein booster for smoothies. Or so I hear.

    • r m reddicks

      Please do see ‘Burgoo’ recipie somewhere below. All donations happily accepted. do what you can. We’ll serve it at your wedding dinner!

  • zerosumgame0005

    it really is sad when morans think South Park episodes are real…

    • cessnadriver

      Wait…where are my underpants going then?

      • zerosumgame0005

        step 2, step 2 uh uh then step 3 profits!

  • Reddishrabbit

    In the real world (not the sick fantasy world of these idiots) human tissue and cells are important and controversial issue (mostly who owns the tissue and how much info they have to give you). I read a book about Henrietta Lacks, who cells have been used for generations for science. But, I guss that is not as interesting as yelling GOTCHA at full voice.

    • Mavenmaven

      Not the same thing, the HL cells were a cell line derived from her tumor specimen, a LONG time ago. Since then it is really difficult to procure tissue specimens even from tumors removed at surgery, and hospitals have been busted for improper paperwork.

    • Ants In My Eyes Johnson

      Lacks’s tumor cells were remarkable in that they were able to survive long-term (and the moral dilemma of her story is that the cells were used without the permission of Lacks or her surviving family). The majority of human tissues have a limited lifespan, which means a limited window of usefulness. Also, cells derived from a tumor are only so useful — if you want to research fetal development, you would need access to fetal tissue.

  • goonemeritus

    I read a report by AFCSD (Americans for Curb Stomping Douchebags)
    that claims David Daleiden eats his own buggers.

  • Mavenmaven

    So that’s why the Bushes keep fetuses in the bottle, may be worth something some day.

    • eric

      One of their abortions went on to be president, don’t cha know!

  • Spotts1701

    “Dear Mr. Daleiden
    Thank you for your submission. However, at this time we have no openings for your talents. We wish you well in your future endeavors.
    Sincerely,
    FOX News”

    • marxalot

      “Ditto.
      -America’s Fucked-Uppest Home Videos”

  • 24601

    I donated the leftovers of my two live births (umbilical cord, placenta and cord blood) for scientific research. I’m sure the hospital was reimbursed by the research facility for storage and shipping costs.
    The hospitals are selling body parts!! SHUT DOWN THE HOSPITALS!!!!

    • Ants In My Eyes Johnson

      The reimbursement fees also vary depending on which research facility wants what they have, and whether more than one facility is after it — so that’s what the negotiating angle in the video is most likely about. Sometimes the medical center takes a hit on the fee, and doesn’t get enough to cover their costs, other times they get a fee that covers more than their costs for storage and shipping.

  • exinkwretch

    My extremely Catholic ladyfriend texted me this link yesterday, causing my bullshit meter to peg out immediately. I calmly advised her to check her sources and informed her that PP would rather prevent pregnancies than perform abortions.

    • JohnQFugly

      Exactly. Otherwise PP abortion ads would be wedged in between ads for laser eye surgery, boner pills and dental implants.

  • Swampgas_Man

    . . . for our tax dollars to stop underwriting this barbaric abortion business

    Uh, I was under the impression that our clown congress had ALREADY forbidden our tax dollars from underwriting etc.?

    • Left Coast Tom

      The “Hyde Amendment”…but “wingnuts” and “facts” aren’t well acquainted.

    • jmk

      Oh, the adorable way they twist that is by claiming that not funding abortions but supplying PP with money for breast cancer screenings and basic reproductive healthcare frees up money to use for abortions and, so, is the same thing as actually funding abortions.

      There is no end to the crust of these assholes.

    • jesskazen

      I wish more of my tax dollars paid for abortion and less for bastard kids raised by single mothers.

      • Bad Granny

        You seem nice.

        • jesskazen

          You seem aggressive

          • Bitter Scribe

            You write about “bastard kids” and “a subclass of humanity,” and then complain someone else is being aggressive?

          • jesskazen

            bastard

            [bas-terd]
            Spell Syllables
            Synonyms
            Word Origin
            noun
            1.
            a person born of unmarried parents; an illegitimate child.

      • BigDumbWhiteGuy

        Yeah, because the mother not being married to the father is totally the kid’s fault, and they should be on the streets and hungry. I wish more of my tax dollars had gone towards teaching you how to be an actual human being, but I guess I’ll just have to add that to the list of life’s small disappointments.

        • jesskazen

          Perpetuating a subclass of humanity is everyone’s problem

        • jesskazen

          They shouldn’t be on the streets, they shouldn’t have ever been born.

          • BigDumbWhiteGuy

            More proof that you fail at being an actual human being.

          • jesskazen

            My physician begs to differ.

          • Tansy Geek

            Your doctor has determined you are human being as oppossed to an amoeba or a garden gnome? Science is amazing.

          • MC

            But it’s not human. So why are there organs being harvested? Because the fetus is a human.

          • ceallaigh

            Nobody says fetuses aren’t human. They are not persons, however.

  • sillyclucker

    I always imagine the Drudge siren sounding like a fart.

  • marxalot

    Tell me again: there’s no such thing as the War on Women.
    … it’s about ethics in abortion journalism.

  • Virginia Dreaming

    If you abort a fetus, then try to do something positive with the fetal tissue, how is that bad? I can’t imagine any worse result than aborting a fetus and throwing it in the incinerator. Well, other than forcing the women to have a child she doesn’t want and have it grow up unwanted or unloved.

  • tohu777

    The *facts* matter not one bit, here, and that’s a huge problem. Whatever is laid on top of “pro-life” concerns, whatever judicial or political controversies these people enter, it all comes down to this: they believe that a thing called a “soul” resides in *all* “babies” (fetal development doesn’t fit in with these fables, they’re antithetical); and that every abortion is a sacrifice of that invisible, ineffable, God-granted “soul.” We can’t remind ourselves about this enough, because we’re too often going through this pantomime of making real-world arguments with people concerned with an imaginary world.

    Something is seriously very goddamned wrong in this country, when we are dealing with this theocratic madness 40+ years after Roe…

  • AlanInSF

    Why is Rick Perry even bothering to run for President when he could be making $30,000 a week working from home on the Internet?

    • Mehmeisterjr

      He may have realized that his only chance of avoiding a long prison sentence is to get himself elected, resign and get pardoned by his VP. It worked for Nixon.

  • Me not sure

    The Kulturkampf continues apace. Meanwhile real economic issues get bundled with this bullshit to insure nothing gets done.

    • Ducksworthy

      Shh! Yer gonna spook the rubes.

  • Bitter Scribe

    Here’s a newsflash: A lot of the “child developing in the womb” photos that “pro-lifers” are so fond of are the aftermath of spontaneous abortions (i.e., miscarriages). If this PP stuff is so gross, exploitative, etc., how is that OK?

    • Enfant Terrible

      You know those heartwarming pictures of fetuses that appeared in Life magazine several years ago? The subjects of those pictures were dead.

  • texasace00

    The Governor and Attorney General of Texas have opened an investigation. I guess it coincides with the investigation into Jade Helm. Texans, we all not that too crazy

    • Celtic_Gnome

      Boehner opened one on the federal level. Let’s get Walker and Christie to open their own investigations, and we can watch Trump shit himself because Mexican rapists will be so yesterday’s news.

      • JohnQFugly

        It’s only a matter of time until we hear his thoughts on this. He’s paying (i.e. threatening to fire) a team of researchers to take a break from researching Obumma’s birthplace and instead focus on this.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        He’ll allege that the body parts are being smuggled around by Messican gangsters, and promise a yoooge (and very classy) investigation when he’s president.

  • Bobarazzi

    Any person in a medical or research field (or probably anyone with half a brain-guess I just ruled out pro-lifers) would know that $30-100 is a ridiculously low number to be associated with the movement of human tissues for profit. Much of our research does actually unfortunately depend on cells extracted from fetal tissue, but to the tune of hundreds to thousands of dollars for a single vial of cells. A intact organ would value in the thousands to tens of thousands of dollars if it was being shipped for profit. A lab rabbit alone costs several hundred dollars for god’s sake.

    Side note: these fuckwads are actually increasing our dependency on fetal tissue by fighting for stem cell bans. These effectively limit research efforts to create valuable cell type from scratch without having to rely on live tissue (although this is still a long way off).

    • harryeagar

      Tell me more about those rabbits

      • Bobarazzi

        New Zealand White I think they’re called. Big albino guys used for common lab research. Pain in the butt to work with; if you hold them wrong they can kick (like rabbits are wont to do) and break their own back. Then it’s sayonara cost of the rabbit and however much else you spent in those experiments.

        Fun microbiology fact of the day: the only way to effectively grow Treponema pallidum (the syphilis bacterium) in the lab is in rabbit testicles.

        • Celtic_Gnome

          That’s why I come to Wonkette every day. To learn stuff.

          • Anntoinnette Silva Backus

            Read the book, The Fantastic Laboratory of Dr. Weigl, about the development (continuing) of the typhus vaccine before and during WWII in Poland (and in concentration camps). Fascinating, and gruesome, stuff. Lice, rats, and rabbits all played a role. You will really learn some stuff.

        • Biel_ze_Bubba

          Growing Mycobacterium leprae (leprosy) is an equally curious business: you have to raise armadillos.

        • Ducksworthy

          Go ask Alice.

  • Barbara Delaney

    Santorum should get some estimates on his jarred fetus, there’s probably some good money to be made there.

    After the kids kiss it goodbye, of course.

    • Mehmeisterjr

      Unless we’re aiming to create a race of the super-stupid, jugged Santorum and Bush fetuses are useless for research.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        Actually, it’s the pathology that makes them interesting.

  • Charles Cates

    Abortion is legal. As is the Affordable Care Act. And same-sex marriage. WASPs are no longer the majority ethnicity in this country. The climate is changing. Fox News is neither fair nor balanced.
    –The Reality Based Community.

  • Gleem-McShinez

    I MADE 30 DOLALRS ABORTIONING FETUSES IN MY SPARE TIME, ASK ME HOW!

    • Hardly Ideal

      30 bucks per fetus every few months? I’m pretty sure there are people streaming crochet sessions who make more than that.

      • Blank Ron

        My fiancee crochets. She says ‘Yes, yes I do.’

  • But remember folks, don’t take the fetus out of the mylar packaging, or it will only be in near-mint condition.

    • cessnadriver

      You are sick. I like that.

    • Blank Ron

      NRFB!

  • Gleem-McShinez

    SHIT! There goes my business plan to sell the Duggar Boy all the babby vajeens.

  • alnnc

    Good thing CMP did not try this in North Carolina. A recent law makes infiltrating an organization under false pretenses, then presenting audio or video recordings that harm the organization illegal. And the organization can sue for damages. Of course, this ag-gag law was intended to stop legitimate actions that demonstrated animal cruelty. It also allows a suit for damages even if the recordings show illegal activity by the organization, unlike the activity by CMP, which was a scam made worse be slanted editing. In this case, Snopes did not go far enough in calling this a fraud.

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      They forgot to make the law apply exclusively to animal-raising facilities? Even Floriduh got that one right.

  • By the way, it continues to bitterly amuse me how “legitimate” news organizations will report these “stings” at face value when they’ve ALREADY been burnt by swallowing this type of selective “gotcha” editing time and time again. CNN has even brought on a bioethicist to act “concerned” about EDITED video of the matter.

    I guess they’re saving all their journalistic skepticism for the Bernie Sanders campaign (Which as we all know, what with his surging popularity and connection with the voters, means he has no chance of winning.)

    • cleos_mom

      Not to mention the tsunami of mansplaining.

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  • Enfant Terrible

    OFFS… they tried this line of crap 10 years ago and it all fell apart when their star witness refused to perjure himself before a Congressional hearing.

    • Ducksworthy

      Of course there were many fewer paid liars and down home psychotics in Congress back then. BenGhazzi!

  • harryeagar

    Hmm. So who is supposed to be buying these items? Can I get them cheaper (but no guarantee of authenticity) on Alibaba?

    • cleos_mom

      No but they’ll soon be in Walmart and DG, on the “As Seen On TV” shelf.

  • UnsaltedSinner

    “Planned Parenthood’s criminal conspiracy to make money off of aborted baby parts reaches to the very highest levels of their organization.”

    You know, that sounds like the sort of claim that would be called libel if it turned out to be not true at all.

    • nmmagyar

      I think the entire management team and every single person on the BOD should sue for libel.

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      I’m sure they’ll hire the crack wingnut defense team of Oily Taint and Larry Klaymation,

  • Oh, yeah –

    This feels appropriate: the opening credits to Brian DePalma’s completely nuts 1973 ‘Killer Conjoined Twins’ flick SISTERS featuring scary Nilsson photos of babbie fetuses and the gloriously over the top music of Bernard Herrmann.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNYlyfy3GeQ

    • Biff52

      Wow, nice cast! Why didn’t I know about this one back then?

      • I love this twisted little flick, but just wait until you get a load of Margot Kidder’s ‘French Canadian’ accent. Watch for Olympia Dukakis as a ditzy bakery clerk.

  • Celtic_Gnome

    “There’s no indication whatsoever that this video was made in Louisiana or has anything at all to do with his state, but hey, what a convenient opportunity to show Republican primary voters how tough he is on women’s health!”

    Bobby gets the award for Johnny-On-The-Spot, but he doesn’t own the field anymore. John Boehner said he’s going to open an investigation.

    • eddi

      Beats working for a living, I guess.

    • chicken thief

      And distract his crack team from their BENGHAZI!111!! investigations?! The horror… the horror….

    • cleos_mom

      Now someone please explain again why feminism is an unnecessary dinosaur because “all the battles have been won”?

      And don’t forget “I haven’t had any problem”.

  • FauxAntocles

    Da-lie-den is a graduate from the James O’Keefe school of “journalism”, no doubt.

  • cessnadriver

    Trumpy said, “30 bucks! They must be making yoooooge profits!!”

  • eddi

    When only Snopes and Wonkette are carrying the full story, it is a bad day for journalistic integrity. Just like most days.

  • Brad Cecil

    Parts is parts.

  • Yatgirl Teh Bucket

    yeah, baby parts are TEH HORROR until you need them.

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  • Tom

    So, you really aren’t bothered by a “doctor” talking about crushing an infant in the womb in order to harvest organs? You’re sick.

    • smh

      Um that’s how abortions are done, regardless of tissue harvesting. In fact she says the doctors have to be specially trained to not crush the goodies.

    • handyhippie65

      they are not doing it to “harvest organs”. they are doing it because someone is availing themselves of a legal, medical procedure, and they have chosen to donate the removed tissue for medical research.

      • Tom

        It’s doesn’t matter why the procedure was done. What matters is that doctors are harvesting organs, period. BTW, why doesn’t the mother get the benefit of the “reimbursement” for organs? She’s the one who incurred the cost of getting the abortion.

        • handyhippie65

          she donated the tissue for research. no compensation due. i do not believe it is mandatory to donate. they chose to do so of their own free will. same as they chose to have an abortion.

        • KingCabbage

          If it doesn’t matter why the procedure was done, then why did you initially and falsely assert that it was done “in order to harvest organs”?

        • jmk

          If you’re so concerned, go protest at the labs doing the research.

          Tell someone with a relative with Alzheimer’s or glaucoma that the research into those conditions can’t continue because Tom finds the whole thing very yucky.

          Oh, and while you’re at it, give back your polio vaccination, because that was developed on fetal kidney cells.

          • Tom

            No, not “yucky” but immoral. (Amazing how Lefties always try to turn discussions of morality into ones of taste, since they can’t win the moral arguments.) And your polio vaccine was developed from the cells of miscarried babies, not aborted ones, since abortion wasn’t legal when the polio vaccine was developed. No one objects to fetal stem cell research when the cells are obtained ethically, not from the deliberate destruction of a fetus. But apparently that’s a distinction you can’t grasp, and you’re apparently all for killing to obtain cells useful to adults.

          • jmk

            Are you trying to imply that Planned Parenthood somehow tricked women into terminating their pregnancies so that they could “obtain” fetal cells?

            LOL You are truly a buffoon.

            Contrary to whatever stupid nonsense you have rolling around in that empty space over your eyes, here’s how it really works – a woman decides (for reasons that are none of your fucking business) to terminate a pregnancy, and she visits her local Planned Parenthood for the purpose of obtaining a safe, LEGAL abortion.

            In addition to jumping through all of the hoops and over all of the obstacles that right-wing-nut-bags like yourself have put in the paths of women when they make decisions affecting their own bodies, the woman is also asked if she’d like to donate the tissue resulting from the abortion (endometrium and fetal tissue) for medical research.

            She is given a document that provides her with all of the facts about this tissue donation because that is how informed consent works.

            If she agrees, she signs the consent form and agrees to the donation.

            She then has the abortion she came in to get, and the tissue is marked for donation, properly stored, and then properly transported to the research facility that will use it in different research projects.

            The storage and transport all costs money, which, as a non-profit generally operating on slim budgets compared to the volume of calls upon it, Planned Parenthood does not have in abundance, so, to quote the UNEDITED video that you nutbags keep ignoring, they ask that their costs be covered because “their bottom line is, they want to break even. Every penny they save is just pennies they give to another patient. To provide a service the patient wouldn’t get.”

            And through it all, no one asked for – or wants – YOUR opinion.

            So take your ignorant posturing and your misogyny and pound sand, nitwit.

          • Tom

            So many talking points, so little time. Interesting that you (and the PP “permission” form) call it merely “tissue” or “bloood and/or tissue” but the doctors and medical buyers refer to it as what it is: brains, lungs, livers, kidneys. No need to hide behind vague, anodyne terms when you think no one is listening. Neither do the forms tell the mother that the procedure might be changed so that they can obtain more intact organs and “tissue”. (And no, the mothers are NOT informed of that fact. You can read the permission form online.) The mothers aren’t told that the doctor will “crush higher or crush lower” in order to preserve valuable organs, nor that the doctor will try to use “less crunchy” techniques for the same reason.

            No one says the material is not “properly stored” or transported, since it would lose its value if it wasn’t. And such storage and transport is not what is being “reimbursed.” This is clearly a profit-making venture, since we clearly hear the one doctor talking about “better than break even” (i.e., profit) and the other haggles over prices and worries about being lowballed, which are not issues in reimbursements but are issues in sales.

            And the StemExpress sales brochure clearly states that it is offering abortion clinics a profit-making opportunity. “Financially profitable” it boasts on the very first page. “Easy to implement program + financial profits” it says on the second page. This is not about “reimbursement.” It’s about the sale of baby parts. It’s about ghouls with no souls profiting from the distress of the mothers, who get ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the process.

            You should be ashamed to even attempt to support this ghoulish practice, but of course you aren’t, because your conscience has been seared. You’re incapable of feeling outrage and this abhorrent practice. Your own words tell me this is so.

          • jmk

            In the unedited video:

            Nucatola says: “Affiliates are not looking to make money by doing this. They’re looking to serve their patients and just make it not impact their bottom line.”

            Nucatola also says, “No one’s going to see this as a money making thing.”

            And at another point, she says, “Our goal, like I said, is to give patients the option without impacting our bottom line. The messaging is this should not be seen as a new revenue stream, because that’s not what it is.”

            Those quotes are from http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/unspinning-the-planned-parenthood-video/

            None of them are in the lying videos you liars use to promote your lies.

            The article ALSO says “”Four experts in the field of human tissue procurement told us the price range discussed in the video — $30 to $100 per patient — represents a reasonable fee. “There’s no way there’s a profit at that price,” said Sherilyn J. Sawyer, the director of Harvard University and Brigham and Women’s Hospital’s “biorepository.””

            As to your fantasy about what happens during an abortion, it’s just that – fantasy.

            So it seems that the air of authority you tried to assume is a sham, and that you are perfectly willing to lie to pursue your agenda… an agenda that disrespects and demeans women.

            I realize that immoral pieces of shit like you feel that you should be able to own and control the bodies of women, but things have changed a bit since the Dark Ages and your lies and disrespect and sanctimony have no place in any decent society.

          • Tom

            Ha ha, you completely fail to discuss the sales brochure from StemExpress (easily available online) where they promise profits. You completely gloss over the fact that the doctor clearly says that clinics hope to to “better than break even”, and the doctor who haggles over prices, worries about being lowballed, and jokes about buying a Lamborghini with her profits. One doesn’t joke about buying a luxury item on merely being reimbursed.

            You also completely fail to discuss the fact that doctors are clearly heard discussing changing procedures in order to preserve better specimens, all the better to have valuable organs to sell. And I discussed no “fantasy” about what happens during an abortion; I merely quoted the doctor’s own words. Why do you not admit to that? My “air of authority” is all there in the videos. You obsess on the first one, because every subsequent video completely pulls the rug out from out yours and PP’s arguments. They are getting progressively worse. Now we have a doctor clearly discussing changing the procedure to procure intact bodies, whose parts merely become line items on a PP balance sheet. Assess and please discuss.

            The only “dark ages” here are those who would take us back to the times of the Romans and Spartans, where the unwanted and “unfit” children are merely left to die or were actively killed. You are returning us to the Bronze Age where parents sacrificed their children to the god Molech so that they might prosper. Women are sacrificing their children in abortion so that they, too, might be free of a burden, i.e., prosper.

          • jmk

            Listen up, fuckwit – the StemExpress people were trying to get business from PP, not the other way around, so whatever THEY said is not down to PP.

            Now fuck the fuck off with your disgusting slavery.

          • Tom

            Yep, and the promised profits to PP, and PP said, sure! After all, they otherwise could be sued for false advertising or, more likely, if they failed to deliver they would have simply lost the business. They obviously delivered profits to PP, hence their continued relationship. I know you can’t handle truth or facts, but really, resorting to name-calling shows an inability to say anything else.

          • jmk

            I refer you AGAIN to words you clearly refused to read the first time:

            “Four experts in the field of human tissue procurement told us the price range discussed in the video — $30 to $100 per patient — represents a reasonable fee. “There’s no way there’s a profit at that price,” said Sherilyn J. Sawyer, the director of Harvard University and Brigham and Women’s Hospital’s “biorepository.””

            “At one point in the unedited video (which was also released by the group), Nucatola says: “Affiliates are not looking to make money by doing this. They’re looking to serve their patients and just make it not impact their bottom line.””

            “Nucatola also says, “No one’s going to see this as a money making thing.” And at another point, she says, “Our goal, like I said, is to give patients the option without impacting our bottom line. The messaging is this should not be seen as a new revenue stream, because that’s not what it is.””

            “But immediately after this statement, Nucatola goes on to say: “Really their bottom line is, they want to break even. Every penny they save is just pennies they give to another patient. To provide a service the patient wouldn’t get.””

            ALL of this is documented, you sad little would-be fascist.

          • Tom

            I refer you AGAIN to the subsequent videos where the doctors clearly haggle on the price, one jokes about buying luxury items with her “reimbursements” and the doctors talk about changing the abortion procedure in order to preserve the more lucrative “tissue”. And the fact that StemExpress promises profits to PP clinics if they participate.

            And who cares what a few self-appointed “experts” say? I listen to the words from the horse’s mouth, and they clearly show that PP doctors peddle organs and change medical procedures in order to make their peddling more profitable. You ignore that Nucatola also said that clinics would like to do “better than break even” (“profit” in plain English). It’s right in front of you, but you insist on returning to the first video only and the say-so of self-appointed experts. Why do you keep avoiding the clear evidence presented in the subsequent videos? Why? Because it’s so damning?

          • jmk

            The experts FactCheck interviewed are not “self-appointed ‘experts,'” you lying sack of shit… they work with tissue donations AS THEIR JOBS.

            One of them is the director of Harvard University and Brigham and Women’s Hospital’s biorepository. The other is the chief medical and science officer of Arizona State University’s National Biomarkers Development Alliance and a former director of biorepositories and biospecimen research at the National Cancer Institute. Another is president of the International Society for Biological and Environmental Repositories and formerly the deputy director of the National Cancer Institute’s Office of Biorepositories and Biospecimen Research.

            By definition, none of them is “self-appointed”… but I do appreciate the laugh at seeing you – who has pontificated about things you clearly know nothing about – deriding professionals in the field and refusing to acknowledge what they say because it doesn’t suit your agenda.

            And all those “subsequent videos” were all cobbled together from cherrypicked pieces of the UNEDITED VIDEO, you numbskull. That means that the UNEDITED VIDEO shows their ACTUAL WORDS that your dishonest buddies at WeHateThatWomenCanMakeTheirOwnDecisions, Inc. cherry-picked and quote-mined and manipulated to serve their own agenda. Your asshole friends can release as many videos as they want – they have already been demonstrated to be outright liars, and they have NO credibility.

            Even a delusional nitwit like you should have been able to work that out.

          • jmk

            Or to put it another way, “The latest [fifth] tape has at least 20 substantial and unexplained edits. Previous tapes released by this extremist group were heavily edited in order to distort what the people on the tapes actually said. These videos are intended to shock and deceive the public.”

            Dawn Laguens, executive vice president of Planned Parenthood.

          • Tom

            Full videos available. Convenient that it’s a PP exec claiming this. They also claim to provide mammograms, even though they were forced to admit to the Washington Post that in fact they own no mammogram machines and do not provide mammograms. That’s how credible any PP official is.

          • jmk

            No, they do not claim to provide mammograms, you asshole, as a visit to any PP website will show. They provide breast exams and refer for mammograms when necessary.

            Your vile ignorance is beyond tedious.

          • Tom

            The Washington Post gave the claim three pinnochios (and was being extremely generous in not giving the fourth) for the claim, repeated by multiple PP supporters.

          • jmk

            You really are a dim bulb, aren’t you?

            Here’s a clue – PP is not responsible for what companies that are NOT PP do, nor is PP responsible for what its supporters say about it.

            PP’s literature makes it clear that it does NOT offer mammograms – it offers breast exams and cancer screening, and offers referrals for mammograms and follow-up testing.

            Even with your basic dishonesty and lack of intelligence, integrity, or morals, you should be able to see THAT.

          • Tom

            So if PP was so scrupulously honest, why don’t they correct the record every time someone from the President on down claims that PP does mammograms? They’re happy to let the ambiguity run if it serves their purposes, hence the 3 pinnochios from teh WaPo. Even their own web pages are slippery in describing this, using unclear language to leave the impression that they not only do breast screening but also mammograms. They prey on the vulnerable.

          • jmk

            They are not responsible for what other people say about them.

            Your paternalistic bullshit won’t stand…the women who go to PP for healthcare are fully informed and consenting, and are taking control of, and responsibility for, their own reproductive lives.

            That’s the bit that drives you insane, isn’t it? Women with agency?

          • Tom

            Read the PP “permission” slip. It’s easily available online. No where does it say that doctors will alter the procedure in order to save the valuable organs. Nowhere does it say they’ll crush here or there or try to use “less crunchy” techniques in order to save valuable organs. It hides behind anodyne words like blood and tissue instead of the more specific and concrete heart, lungs, liver. If PP truly wanted their women to fully informed, it would have no objection to an ultrasound before the procedure so the mother could see precisely what her “clump of cells” and “product of conception” looks like. (And funny, again, how those vague terms become quite specific once money’s involved.)

            And, to your original statement, they are indeed responsible for what others say about them if those people are stating falsehoods in their defense.

          • jmk

            PP doesn’t own any women, so referring to “their women” is bullshit… but even MORE bullshit is your insistence on using the word “mother” to describe PP’s patients, considering that the women in question have chosen to terminate their pregnancies…meaning they are not mothers. Next time, try to express your disrespect for women as people in another way.

            The materials refer to the “products of conception” because, at the point by which most abortions are performed, what is removed during an abortion is primarily thickened endometrium. The embryo – and it IS an embryo because the vast majority of abortions are performed before 10 weeks – forms a very small part of the tissue removed, you ignorant asshole.

            And your insistence on pre-abortion ultrasounds is of a piece with the rest of your paternalistic, misogynist bullshit – indicating, as it does, either that you don’t think women have the ability to think their own actions through, or that you think that women should be punished for evading your control.

            Neither one of those options is anything you should take pride in.

          • jmk
          • Tom

            These links prove nothing. Three are opinion pieces from obviously biased sources. And the fourth cites “experts” whose sympathies are unknown, so it too is suspect. And talk about selectively edited. None includes the “money quote” (pun intended) from Nucatola: clinics want to do “better than break even,” which in plain English means profit. Funny how that part is excluded from all the discussions without even the ethical courtesy of an ellipsis.

            And none discusses the subsequent videos where it is clear that PP haggles and bargains for higher prices for their “tissue” and alters medical procedures in order to save the most valuable organs. You have yet to respond to this.

            Mama wants a new Lamborghini! Someone who’s just talking about “reasonable expenses” does not joke in such a way.

            Give it up, all your excuse-making is only so much hand waving and noise making that avoids the core issue: PP is staffed by ghouls who see no problem with doing “better than break even” on the sale of baby parts.

          • jmk

            Thanks for proving you didn’t bother to read the articles in question before dismissing them.

            From the FactCheck piece that I’ve been citing all along – and you’ve been ignoring:

            “Nucatola does make one statement in the unedited video that suggests to critics that some clinics would be comfortable with a payment that was slightly more than their expenses for providing the tissue. “I think for affiliates, at the end of the day, they’re a nonprofit, they just don’t want to — they want to break even. And if they can do a little better than break even, and do so in a way that seems reasonable, they’re happy to do that,” Nucatola says.

            But immediately after this statement, Nucatola goes on to say: “Really their bottom line is, they want to break even. Every penny they save is just pennies they give to another patient. To provide a service the patient wouldn’t get.” Planned Parenthood told us that she may have been referring to more general operations of the clinics.”

            Awwww…. you fail… AGAIN… but thanks for playing!!

          • Tom

            And Nutter says, “I want a new Lamborghini!” One doesn’t say such a thing if you’re not hoping to profit. You keep going back again and again to the one statement from Nucatola while ignoring all the others from PP officials where profit is clearly the motive. It’s a thin reed to cling to, citing the same thing over and over while ignoring the mountain of evidence in front of you. (NB, I did read the articles. It doesn’t change the fact that three are opinion pieces, not fact-based research, and they engage in their own selective editing of Nucatola’s comments as well as repeating P’s tired talking points.) And the “experts” cited in the fourth have unknown sympathies, so excuse me if I’m skeptical.)

            PP kills babies and sells their parts, and you not only have no problem with that, you’re an enthusiastic defender. May God forgive you.

          • jmk

            Every time you’ve tried to condemn PP, I’ve demonstrated that you are wrong, wrong, wrong on FACTS….and every time, you contrive to ignore the facts and shift to some other stupid innuendo you draw that you blame them for, or try to hold them responsible for things that other people say or do.

            Not once have you acknowledged that you have been comprehensively shown to be entirely wrong – and not just wrong, but actively lying – about PP and this whole contrived, manufacture non-scandal

            Your dishonesty is appalling. I wouldn’t have your morals if they came with a prize.

          • Tom

            You haven’t shown me to be wrong once. I’ve shown you to be in denial. Please answer, specifically, what Nutter could have possibly meant by joking about buying luxury items from her dealings with the organ peddlers. Please answer, specifically, why StemExpress promises profits and PP responds to that promise. Please, you have yet to answer t his. Please answer, specifically, why Nucatola wants “better than break even.” You haven’t answered this. Please address, specifically, the several instances of where PP officials clearly talk about changing medical procedures in order to preserve the more valuable organs. Nothing from you yet on that, either. Please demonstrate how I might possibly be mistaken in my grasp of plain English.

            You keep going back to the fact check article, even though it has nothing to say about the subsequent videos. BTW, think about it: if the pro-life group truly was guilty of selectively editing the videos, why would they leave those so-called exhorting statements in? Why wouldn’t they cut those out? Please answer, specifically, how this works. Please answer, specifically, just how and where the full videos have been deceptively edited.

            You have demonstrated nothing other than you are in denial and beyond convincing.

          • jmk

            I have posted documented evidence of the falsity of everything you’ve claimed.

            Lying for Jesus is still lying, shithead.

          • Tom

            Your “documented evidence” is from biased sources, and you still haven’t answered a single question I asked. You continue to ignore the damning evidence in the subsequent videos, and haven’t address why, if CMP was selectively editing the videos, they left in this supposedly exonerating statements. If they wanted to make PP look really bad, they’d have edited out those thin reed quotes too.

            Again, why do the doctors talk about changing the abortion procedures in order to preserve the most valuable organs? Why do they hope to do “better than break even [profit]”? Why does a doctor joke about buying luxury items if all she’s talking about is being reimbursed? Why does she haggle over prices and being lowballed if all we’re discussing is being reimbursed? Why, why, why? You haven’t answered any of these question. You just keep saying you’ve given me “documented” evidence but can’t answer simple questions.

          • jmk

            Right. Here are the answers to your questions. AGAIN.

            As to why Nucatola said “do better than break even,” I have posted her ACTUAL words before – many times. Here they are again:

            “”I think for affiliates, at the end of the day, they’re a nonprofit, they just don’t want to — they want to break even. And if they can do a little better than break even, and do so in a way that seems reasonable, they’re happy to do that,” Nucatola says. But immediately after this statement, Nucatola goes on to say: “Really their bottom line is, they want to break even. Every penny they save is just pennies they give to another patient. To provide a service the patient wouldn’t get.”

            Why does a doctor joke? What the hell do I care? She joked. Maybe she was joking about a luxury car because PP WEREN’T making a profit on this and PP doesn’t pay her a vast salary…have you thought of THAT? Who HASN’T joked along the lines of “I found a quarter – Vegas here I come!”? Of course you haven’t… because you’re invested in putting the worst construction on everything PP does because you hate what they do.

            It may have been in bad taste – although people in the medical field often sound callous to those outside of it when talking about their work – but it’s not criminal. She has done NOTHING criminal – she had a conversation with people who contacted HER.

            I have already posted comments from THREE EXPERTS in the field of biomedical research indicating that the claims you buffoons are making are entirely bogus:

            From Jim Vaught, president of the International Society for Biological and Environmental Repositories and formerly the deputy director of the National Cancer Institute’s Office of Biorepositories and Biospecimen Research “$30 to $100 per sample is a reasonable charge for clinical operations to recover their costs for providing tissue.” In fact, he said, the costs to a clinic are often much higher, but most operations that provide this kind of tissue have “no intention of fully recovering [their] costs, much less making a profit.”

            From Carolyn Compton, chief medical and science officer of Arizona State University’s National Biomarkers Development Alliance and a former director of biorepositories and biospecimen research at the National Cancer Institute: “agreed that this was “a modest price tag for cost recovery.” Compton told us in an email: ” ‘Profit’ is out of the question, in my mind. I would say that whoever opined about ‘profit’ knows very little about the effort and expense involved in providing human biospecimens for research purposes.”

            Sherilyn J. Sawyer, director of Harvard University and Brigham and Women’s Hospital’s “biorepository: “there’s no way there’s a profit at that price.” She continued in an email “In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee.

            Despite your failed attempt to dismiss what these EXPERTS have said, the fact is that they contradict ALL of your charges…and notice that these experts ALL reference the fees as a RANGE and none indicates that negotiating a price is in any way unusual.

            The quotes I cited are from the UNEDITED video – they WERE edited out of the EDITED videos you set such store by. Your buffoons released the unedited video without referencing it, cynically KNOWING that low-information assholes like yourself wouldn’t bother to watch the FULL UNEDITED VIDEO from which ALL of their selectively-edited bullshit came, and knowing also that people like you are so in the tank for them, and so addicted to confirmation bias, that you would refuse to believe anyone – particularly PP – who contradicted your pre-formed, knee-jerk, biased opinions.

            I have answered ALL of your questions… ALL of them – and MULTIPLE times.

          • jmk

            What women do with their own bodies is none of your fucking business.

            No one asked you. If you can’t deal with that, go move to a theocracy. This isn’t one.

          • jmk

            “Four experts in the field of human tissue procurement told us (factcheck.org) the price range discussed in the video — $30 to $100 per patient — represents a reasonable fee. “There’s no way there’s a profit at that price,” said Sherilyn J. Sawyer, the director of Harvard University and Brigham and Women’s Hospital’s “biorepository….

            We also asked experts in the use of human tissue for research about the potential for profit. Sherilyn J. Sawyer, the director of Harvard University and Brigham and Women’s Hospital’s “biorepository,” told us that “there’s no way there’s a profit at that price.” She continued in an email:

            Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee.”

            Facts. How do they fucking work?

          • Tom

            Facts? How about the sales brochure from StemExpress (easily available online) where they promise profits. You completely gloss over the fact that the doctor clearly says that clinics hope to to “better than break even”, and the doctor who haggles over prices, worries about being lowballed, and jokes about buying a Lamborghini with her profits. One doesn’t joke about buying a luxury item on merely being reimbursed. Those are facts, ones you ignore in your response.

            You also completely fail to discuss the fact that doctors are clearly heard discussing changing procedures in order to preserve better specimens, all the better to have valuable organs to sell. And I discussed no “fantasy” about what happens during an abortion; I merely quoted the doctor’s own words. Why do you not admit to that? My “air of authority” is all there in the videos. You obsess on the first one, because every subsequent video completely pulls the rug out from out yours and PP’s arguments. They are getting progressively worse. Now we have a doctor clearly discussing changing the procedure to procure intact bodies, whose parts merely become line items on a PP balance sheet. Assess and please discuss. How’s that for facts, available for all to see, words straight from the doctor’s mouth.

          • jmk

            Read the fucking article… read ANY of the articles about the UNEDITED video… read ANYTHING outside your putrid little echo chamber.

            And piss off.

          • Tom

            Or, you could just read the StemExpress brochure yourself. It says what it says. I don’t need an “article” to tell me what to think about the plain language of the brochure. And the unedited videos do not help your case; they actually make it worse. The only echo chamber is yours, where you spout the usual talking points while denying the reality of what you support. It’s all slogans and cant, all the better to convince yourself that the truth is somehow not the truth.

          • jmk

            So you think that holding Planned Parenthood accountable for what another company does is reasonable?

            You’re delusional.

          • Tom

            Yeah, just like the drug user is guilty for taking what the pusher offers. And even that analogy is not perfect, since PP is clearly manipulating medical procedures in order to make the practice more lucrative.

          • jmk

            “Carolyn Compton, the chief medical and science officer of Arizona State University’s National Biomarkers Development Alliance and a former director of biorepositories and biospecimen research at the National Cancer Institute, agreed that this was “a modest price tag for cost recovery.” Compton told us in an email: ” ‘Profit’ is out of the question, in my mind. I would say that whoever opined about ‘profit’ knows very little about the effort and expense involved in providing human biospecimens for research purposes.””

            http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/unspinning-the-planned-parenthood-video/

          • Tom

            Why, again, does StemExpress then promise profits? Why does a doctor want “better than break even”? Why does one joke about buying luxury items with her “reimbursements”? Why does one haggle over prices and worry about being lowballed? All these are things one gets from profits, not “reimbursements.” Please stop repeating all this lame stuff that does nothing to answer questions raised in subsequent videos.

            Mama wants a new Lamborghini!

          • jmk

            Who gives a shit why a company that is not Planned Parenthood promises anything? You can’t sanely blame Planned Parenthood for what an entirely separate company does.

            And in the videos, the company went to Planned Parenthood to pitch their offer, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

            I have answered ALL of your objections and questions DIRECTLY, despite the fact that you have been nothing but dishonest through this entire tedious exchange.

            It’s not my job to show you what reality looks like. Get your own psychologist to deal with your disconnection from reality, your self-aggrandizement, and your dishonesty.

          • Tom

            The company would not exist if there was not a market and a provider for that market. PP is a willing and enthusiastic participant in the sale and profit from baby parts. In the drug underworld, both junkie and pusher are guilty.

          • jmk

            Your dishonesty runs deep. If you were REALLY concerned about this, you’d be demanding that any tax breaks that other company gets would be revoked or protesting at the facility that does the research.

            Face it – the only ONLY reason you have a problem with this is because it’s Planned Parenthood. If they cured cancer, you fucking wingnuts would start screaming “wrong kind.”

          • Tom

            Oh, brother. You’re in denial. I can demand that PP doesn’t get taxpayer money, how’s that? But then you scream “You hate women”, never mind that 50% of all abortions kill a female and that PP preys on vulnerable young women, particularly in minority communities. (Don’t forget that PP’s founder was a eugenicist who wanted to eliminate “inferior” races, either.) You fail to address the issue that if PP wasn’t a willing provider, companies like StemExpress wouldn’t exist. You simply question my motives.

            And you have yet to cite anything dishonest I’ve said. I simply quote from PP’s own officials and hangers-on. You just wave your hands and call me names. Good bye. Your conscience is seared and you’re beyond being convinced by anyone short of God himself.

          • jmk

            PP doesn’t go out touting for abortions. Women go to them after having made up their own minds, and they receive the healthcare they ask for.

            I realize that the fact that women taking control of their own lives and bodies is what really bothers you. Your misogyny and your dishonesty is disgusting.

            And, BTW, I see you’ve pulled out another of your teavangelical lies – Sanger was NOT a “eugenicist.” She was an advocate for birth control who made common cause with the eugenics movement that was popular at the time to advance her birth-control aims.

            I’ll bet the ranch you don’t slam Winston Churchill, WEB DuBois, and Alexander Graham Bell, all of whom were supporters of the eugenics movement. You’re only concerned about eugenics when it suits your religious-fanatic agenda.

            Every single comment I’ve posted – including this one – has called you out specifically on lies and dishonesty you have posted…and not once have you had the integrity to back away from the lies.

            So fuck that noise, too, you lying sack of shit.

          • Tom

            Churchill et al. are not presently receiving taxpayer money or profiting off of their eugenic efforts.

            “[We should] apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.” Sanger, Women and the New Race, ch. 6

            “Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.” Sanger, April 1932 Birth Control Review, pg. 108 [sounds a lot like using birth control for eugenic purposes to any sentient being]

            “Give dysgenic groups [people with “bad genes”] in our population their choice of segregation or [compulsory] sterilization.” Sanger, Mar. 27, 1934, America Needs a New Code for Babies

            There’s a lot more. Sanger was a racist eugenicist, period. Her own words betray here.

          • jmk

            Here’s the full text of that speech… show me where your quote is… because I don’t see it.

            https://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/webedition/app/documents/show.php?sangerDoc=101807.xml

            Liar.

          • Tom

            Sorry, my eye jumped a line and I cited wrong source. It’s here:

            http://hawaii.edu/religion/courses/sanger.htm

          • jmk

            You were caught in a lie. Bite me.

          • Tom

            Ha ha, says the person who apparently has never committed a typo or had their eye jump a line while they were reading. I showed you the quote was authentic, and that’s all you can say? Pathetic.

            I’ve wasted enough time on you. You’re in denial. You’re an enthusiastic supporter of slaughter for profit. Please seek God’s mercy while you still have a chance.

          • jmk

            I’m an enthusiastic supporter of women making their OWN decisions about their beliefs, actions, and future.

            I realize that misogynistic, paternalist dickwads like yourself don’t like that idea and want to turn women into broodmares…but the First Amendment contradicts you, so suck it.

          • jmk

            And you still haven’t faced the fact that if you really objected to using fetal cells for research, you’d be protesting at all of the research institutions that use companies like StemExpress to find them tissue.

            Your utter dishonesty and immorality has you blaming PP because StemExpress approached them – never seeing that StemExpress exists to serve the CONSUMERS of the tissue it attempts to supply… RESEARCH INSTITUTIONS. But no – you blame the potential suppliers because you don’t like that they make it possible for women to take control of their own lives and bodies.

            Your dishonesty and ignorance of healthcare and PP is rivaled only by your ignorance of economics and markets.

            You are beneath contempt.

          • Law

            ” I can demand that PP doesn’t get taxpayer money”

            Funny how a deluded cocksucker like you would never in a million years turn around and demand the same thing for fertility clinics, and they throw embryos away all the time. To you, an embryo is only important if it’s firmly ensconced inside of a woman you can have a say over.

            Of course you’d never bother to demand that taxpayer money NOT fund the criminal defenses for “parents” who roasted their kids alive in a hot car, happens ALL THE TIME especially in the summer. But they “just forgot” and have “suffered enough” I guess. Doesn’t matter because the kid wasn’t a zygote firmly ensconced inside of a woman you can have a say over.

          • Odd Jørgensen

            Oh, so now you pull your little imaginary friend into it too? I swear man, fucking imbeciles and juvenile simpletons.

          • Tom

            It seems to me imbeciles and simpletons offer no real facts or arguments and just call people names.

          • Odd Jørgensen

            //It seems to me imbeciles and simpletons offer no real facts or arguments and just call people names.//

            Cute.

          • Law

            “Why, again, does StemExpress then promise profits?”

            Probably because, like you, they never bothered to confirm that Planned Parenthood serves the poor and unemployed, which is why they are federally funded and thus CANNOT POSSIBLY turn a profit. DURR DURR DURR!!!

          • Odd Jørgensen

            //One doesn’t joke//

            No ned for you to attempt to make jokes even, you are a damn joke. Fucking morality police screeching about how women need to be barefoot and pregnant, you disgusting piece of cumcrust!

          • Tom

            REally, show me where I said anything remotely close to that. Of course you can’t, so you just resort to the weapon of choice of simpletons, anger.

          • jmk

            The only thing about this that outrages me is that assholes like you think you have the right to make choices and decisions for women.

          • Law

            “Neither do the forms tell the mother that the procedure might be changed”

            What are the chances that a dropout like you knows anything of any consequence about how medical procedures are performed? You idiots can’t even figure out how your insurance works.

            Here’s a thought, Smalls – if you know of a doctor, surgeon, or other practitioner of medical science is violating known medical ethics, practicing erroneously or wrongly or without a license, or doing things that harm their patients according to the licensing board, then report them. In fact, call the cops!

            “And the StemExpress sales brochure clearly states that it is offering abortion clinics a profit-making opportunity.”

            Clearly you were happier when you (erroneously, of course) believed that these tissues were being disposed of in medical waste.

          • Law

            Abortion is not immoral and it doesn’t matter if you think so.

            “Amazing how Lefties always try to turn discussions of morality into ones of taste, since they can’t win the moral arguments.”

            Amazing how right-wing fascists insist that they have a monopoly on “morality” despite proving over and over and over to the world that such is not the case. Why don’t you go take a wide stance in an airport bathroom and leave women be?

          • Tom

            So, partially delivering a baby and then puncturing its skull mere inches from full birth is just fine with you then? Carving up and vacuuming out the parts of a fully viable baby at 30 weeks is just fine with you then? Doctors do surgery on babies in the womb at ages younger than PP tears them apart in the womb. And you don’t think that’s immoral. You have no conscience, then.

          • jmk

            I see that your much vaunted “morality” doesn’t stop you from lying.

          • Law

            “So, partially delivering a baby and then puncturing its skull mere inches from full birth is just fine with you then?”

            What ridiculous, pornographic nonsense.

            Nobody partially delivers live infants and then punctures the skull. Such procedures simply do not happen. Kermit Gosnell got put in prison for that and rightly so. Pro-choicers were trying to get him shut down for a really long time before everyone else took notice.

            “Carving up and vacuuming out the parts of a fully viable baby at 30 weeks is just fine with you then?”

            If the pregnancy threatens the life or health of the pregnant woman, yes. At 30 weeks, that was a WANTED fetus. This is a sad event, not a chance for you to act like a raging dick.

          • conium

            Get it right. They are harvesting fetal penises that would be useless otherwise, and giving them new life in human recipients when the law is changed. Some guys want two! It has only been used in animals so far. Nothing could be happier than the dog in the study.

        • Law

          “It’s doesn’t matter why the procedure was done. ”

          Yes it does. Do you really not understand why a woman would have an abortion?

          “What matters is that doctors are harvesting organs, period. ”

          If they were…SO? If a fetus is large enough to have organs, it was wanted and something went terribly wrong with the pregnancy, either the life or health of the pregnant woman was at risk or the fetus had developed anomalies incompatible with life. The best outcome in that case is organ donation.

          You’re probably one of those fucksticks what thinks that women go have late abortions while they’re out picking up their dry cleaning because they suddenly in the 2nd trimester decided they didn’t want it, and thought paying $2,000 or more, if they can even find a doctor that would perform it, for an abortion would be a jolly good time.

          • Tom

            Fewer than 5% of all abortions are for crisis medical conditions. Source: PP’s own Guttmacher Institute. That means, being generous, more than 90% of abortions are for reasons other than health. Even the Catholic Church allows abortions if the pregnancy genuinely endangers the life of the mother (e.g., ectopic pregnancy). But “mental health” is not one of those reasons, especially when there are so many other options short of murdering your own child.

          • jmk

            It’s none of your fucking business why women exercise their rights.

            I realize that you support the kind of Christian Sharia that lets you treat women like perpetual children, but that’s not the law.

          • Law

            “That means, being generous, more than 90% of abortions are for reasons other than health.”

            So?

          • Odd Jørgensen

            //murdering your own child//

            word games you said?

          • jmk

            Just a word of warning – this shitheel is a sea lion and will keep posting his lies and misrepresentations even after you conclusively demonstrate to him that he is full of shit.

          • Law

            I noticed he is impervious to facts and logic. Hopefully he’s impervious to the kind of logic that demands one look both ways before crossing the street at a busy intersection.

          • jmk

            Judging from his comments, he’d just imperiously demand that oncoming cars recognize that he’s in charge of them, as a man of privilege, and submit to his whims.
            Purely for research purposes, I’d like to see this experiment, and wish him the best of luck with that.

        • MorganLvr

          As a registered organ donor myself allow me to inform you that no one gets PAID for donating organs. PP is discussing being reimbursed for the cost TO THEM for recovering – NOT harvesting! – the organs the mother wishes to donate, properly preparing and shipping them to the research facility. This costs money that PP can use for patients – as is fully explained on the video I saw. In fact that PP does NOT make money in these transactions is repeated several times. You couldn’t possibly watch the video and not be clear on THAT point! Troll.

          • Tom

            Baloney. The PP doctor clearly said that clinics hoped to do “better than break even,” which in plain English = profit. StemExpress, endorsed by PP and which put its employees directly in PP clinics, clearly promises profits on its sales brochure. Another PP national director said that some clinics “generate a fair amount of income doing this,” i.e., “donating” tissue. Another said they charge different prices based on the specimen. Does it actually cost more to ship brain tissue vs. liver tissue, or is one more in demand, requiring a higher price, meaning that these are sales, not “reimbursements.” Another doctor haggled over prices and worried about being lowballed, which is not an issue for mere reimbursements. Another joked about buying luxury items (a Lamborghini) with the money she hoped to make on the transaction, which one doesn’t do when mere “reimbursements” are involved. All these points are abundantly CLEAR to anyone who is actually interested in the truth and not just repeating PP talking points. Pathetic.

    • jmk

      No “infants” exist in any “womb.” To be an infant requires being born.

      • Tom

        Really, is that the only thing you have, word games? Pretend that a thing doesn’t exist by calling it by another name? Denying reality? It just shows how weak your position is.

        • jmk

          Ummm who said it was the “only thing” I have? It was the “only” point I chose to make in response to your nitwitted comment.

          You might want to go sit under an acorn and think about that for a while.

          • Tom

            Again, word games. If you think an acorn is anything analogous to a human embryo or fetus with very real (and very valuable, apparently) human organs, then you not only need a lesson in language but in basic biology. Keep dodging and denying to avoid having to confront the reality of what you support.

          • jmk

            Is the phrase “word games” on your list of talking points, sea lion? You seem very fond of it, even when you use it inappropriately, as you did in your latest manly piece of condescension.

            There is nothing semantic about pointing out to you that different stages are called by different names. Sorry you can’t deal with a simple illustration of that point. Apparently, by your idiotic attempt at logic, we should be allowing toddlers to drive, since they’ll be adults one day.

            And I know exactly what it is that I support. All of it. Considering you’re promoting forced childbirth and turning sentient fellow citizens into breeding stock, you have some fucking crust taking that tone with me.

            How about you go read the First Amendment – it’s the one before the Second, in case you couldn’t figure that out – and try to comprehend that because you believe something doesn’t mean that you get to make it law.

          • Tom

            Whether or not a human can drive is a function of age and ability, not the fact that it is HUMAN, so you’re committing a category error, so you might want to brush up on your own “logic”. And a fussy focusing on proper names (word games, in other words) allows you to ignore the fact that these a genetically distinct HUMANS at all stages. They must be, as their cells and organs are so valuable. (No one is fighting for acorn cells.)

            And if you consider perpetuating the human race and raising children to be “breeding,” then you’re far more lost than I thought. You’re callous and selfish, and, well, just because you believe that doesn’t let you make it law.

          • jmk

            Cupcake, whether a human can be called a fetus or a baby is ALSO a “function of age” (gestational) and (cap)ability.

            Your whole premise is invalid, with this “human” distraction. No one denies that a fetus is human. NO ONE. No one denies that an embryo is genetically distinct. What it is NOT – YET – is a baby… just as an embryo – lacking the ability to sustain its own physical processes – is not YET a separate, individual, autonomous person.

            And FYI, no one is “fighting” for fetal cells, either. The tissue in question was donated, and there are facilities that take those donations and use the tissue in their research. They’re not “fighting” for it.

            But I see that “a fussy focusing on proper names (word games, in other words) allows you to” hypocritically call me out for using the word “breeding” to describe the condition to which YOU want to reduce women.

            Did you take classes in being this dishonest, or does it come naturally?

          • Dad

            Hey dumb ass nobody is “forcing childbirth” , you or they did not need to do the act that got one pregnant in the first place. In today’s day and age there is no reason for one to get pregnant with all the precautions that can be taken “before hand”. If one of those precautions fail then you deal with the consequences that were put before you but not by eliminating it.

          • jmk

            Riiiiiiight… because wingnuts make sure that every woman has access to affordable birth control, and because birth control never fails, and nobody faces catastrophic financial crises after getting pregnant, and nobody is ever diagnosed with cancer after getting pregnant.

            What a fuckwit you are.

          • Dad

            C yoU Next Tuesday…… to slap some sense into your dumb self.

          • jmk

            Ohhhh did you try to call me a cunt?

            You’re so right…I am both warm and deep.

            Thanks! And thanks for admitting that you have no actual response. Have a great day, fuckwit!!

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  • Chris Flowers

    How about you learn how to spell “Baby” before you write an article.

    • jmk

      It’s spelled babby. What are you, some kind of moran?

      • Chris Flowers

        I see what you did there.

        • jmk

          No snark in telling you that these are common internet spellings… the first can be seen in the classic “how is babby formed, how girl get pragnent,” and the second in the delightful picture of a patriotic gentleman admonishing those he opposes to “get a brain, morans.”

          This is life on Our Wonkette.

    • Law
    • Hey, if you’re going to lie about an organization that helps people, spelling is the least of your worries.

  • Dad

    Kali you are an arrogant idiot ! How can you with a clear conscience say what you do? There are plenty of videos out that prove Planned Parenthood are indeed trying to sell baby parts.

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