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No one was waiting around to hear what Reagan fanboy and former Virginia Sen. Jim Webb has to say about the Confederate flag, because no one cares what he has to say about anything, and now we are quite sure the “Democratic” presidential candidate should have kept his stupid mouth shut:

This is an emotional time and we all need to think through these issues with a care that recognizes the need for change but also respects the complicated history of the Civil War. The Confederate Battle Flag has wrongly been used for racist and other purposes in recent decades. It should not be used in any way as a political symbol that divides us.

But we should also remember that honorable Americans fought on both sides in the Civil War, including slave holders in the Union Army from states such as Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware, and that many non-slave holders fought for the South. It was in recognition of the character of soldiers on both sides that the federal government authorized the construction of the Confederate Memorial 100 years ago, on the grounds of Arlington National Cemetery.

This is a time for us to come together, and to recognize once more that our complex multicultural society is founded on the principle of mutual respect.

OK, buddy, you run around America talking about the honorable slave holders, while your Democratic competition (LOL) calls for the removal of the Confederate flag in all the places (yeah yeah, even though Robert Byrd was in the KKK and Abe Lincoln was a Republican). A new poll shows an overwhelming 4 percent of Democratic primary voters think you’re the cat’s pajamas, but if you keep telling them to respect the “complicated history” of white dudes owning people, and declaring war on U.S. America to keep owning people, you’re sure to get those numbers up. Watch out, Hillary Clinton, he’s comin’ right for ya! Don’t forget to complain about the “Nazification of the Confederacy” while you’re at it:

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Here’s a hint, pal, since you’re so uncertain about how this whole “being a Democrat in the 21st century” thing works: none of us wanna hear you defend the honor of slave owners and racists and the flag their ancestors continue to wave.

In conclusion, shut up, Jim Webb, and fuck off, please and thank you, you’re never going to be president anyway.

[Facebook via Mother Jones]

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  • Lascauxcaveman

    …and that many non-slave holders fought for the South.

    Got that one right, Sparky. Actually fighting in wars is mostly a poor man’s game; slaveholding is mostly a rich man’s game. Not that many slaveholders had the guts to put their butts on the firing line.

    • marxalot

      The ancestor I had that fought on the Grey side (we’ve got one of each, natch) was a dirt-poor rock farmer from Arkansas: like most of the ill-equipped sods stumbling around dying for the Confederacy, he was fighting against the Union because “y’all are fightin’ us.”

    • Boscoe

      I’m pretty sure one could find examples of slaves “fighting for the Confederates” also too… if you ignore the bayonets behind them.

      • Bitter Scribe

        They were used as cooks, laborers, etc., but the Confederacy couldn’t bring itself to put guns in their hands.
        The Confederates were outraged that the Union used black troops, even threatening to immediately execute any white officer captured in command of them. (They dropped it when the Union promised to hang two captive rebel officers for any Union officer thus treated.)

        • Zippy

          Confederates weren’t too thrilled about having their property get shot up

        • Boscoe

          My bad… I didn’t mean to imply that they would have actually had WEAPONS for their “fighting”… ;P

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          They were not only afraid to arm them, they openly admitted that if a slave proved capable of becoming a good soldier, then their whole ideological construct of considering them inferior would be destroyed.

      • Solipsister

        If you want to give yourself some serious rage, go google “Black Confederates.” Oy vey. It’s the worst. Faked photos and documents that gain cred by constant reposts, using Union USCT pics as evidence, self-sealing rhetoric (the evidence isn’t there because the Union and libtard historians hid it to make it look like the black confederates didn’t exist!), and really evil appropriation of equality language (YOU are racist for not honoring our black brothers who fought!). The Black Confederate myth is the #1 strategy the Lost Causer/NeoConfederates are using these days.

  • By the by: I hear “Bobby” Jindal’s presidentin’ announcement was pretty funny.

    • Boscoe

      Squeee!

      • Boscoe

    • FeloniousMonk

      Local TV quoted one of the demonstrators outside: “He doesn’t stand a snowball’s chance in Louisiana.”

  • Boscoe

    What’s next Liberals? The nazification of NAZIS??

    • ArgieBargie

      The Holocausting of the Confederacy.

  • kindness

    The competent idiot aims for their foot. Webb hits his dick. No VP for you Jim-boy.

    • bobbert

      Actually, this is good stuff. I think Hillz is too smart to pull a Gore-Lieberman, but reinforcement cannot hurt.

  • fawkedifiknow

    If we want to hear some mealy-mouthed rationalizations for treason, we’ll ask a garden variety Republican. No need to get it from a so-called Democrat.

  • the_steamer

    I really don’t understand the talking point about non-slave owners. Just because they weren’t wealthy enough to have slaves doesn’t mean they felt black people were their equals and only fought for the confederacy because they didn’t want taxes to pay for roads, bridges and rails.

  • mrFawkes

    Jim Webb stands a good chance of becoming our next President only if he’s running against George Allen or Allen West.

    • ArgieBargie

      It’s Manchurian vs Macaca vs Macabre.

      • Ian

        More like the Mashugana candidate!

  • beatbort

    And I fondly remember Jim Webb from “MacArthur Park”.
    Apparently, he has not been focusing on songwriting of late.

    • Virginia Dreaming

      He seems to be more into writing fiction now.

    • beatbort

      Perhaps someone left his cake out in the rain. You know, the one with the Confederate flag drawn on it with red beads..

      • Msgr_Moment

        Let’s hope they’ve lost the recipe.

        • Querolous

          I think I’ll go up, up and away.

    • FlownOver

      Extra points to me for reading the comments before I posted the same”MacArthur Park” gag.

      Maybe by the time I get to Phoenix Wonkette will allow comments.

      • H0mer0

        I don’t think that I can take it

        • jqheywood

          It took so long to bake it…

      • bobbert

        Witchitalkin’ about?

        • Blank Ron

          A stretch, but we’ll allow it.

  • bikerlaureate

    Both Sides Did It.

  • What about all the good things the slave owners did?

    • Virginia Dreaming

      That will be a mighty short list.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Not if you ask them. They say it was a combination of cradle-to-grave employment, universal health care, and permanent summer camp rolled into one. Oh, and that the nigras were much better off back then.

        • MOG253

          The Republican plan!

    • VandeGraf

      Yeah, like branding. Everyone loves him a good branding!

      • sw19womble

        … and now you pay extra to wear brands on your skin.

        Odd how things work out, eh?

      • H0mer0
    • Latverian Diplomat

      Like aqueducts, wait, that was a different bunch of slaveowners.

    • Lot_49

      Well, the persons in slavery did a lot of good things; their “owners,” less so. Lot of cotillions, that sort of thing.

    • bobbert

      Well, eventually, they all died, so there’s that.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    Very few front line CSA soldiers were actual slave-holders…but they also weren’t exactly a bunch of abolitionists opposed to the “peculiar institution” either.

  • VandeGraf

    Honorable traitors. There’s an interesting concept.

    • sw19womble

      They tried to strangle a young country in its crib, and for personal gain, but at least they did it honorably.

  • Spotts1701

    many non-slave holders fought for the South.

    Yeah, probably because they were drafted! Or they weren’t, and got unlucky and were used as a “substitute” by the wealthy slave-owner (who was exempted from the draft) whose son got called up to serve.

    • Fitzgerald Chesterfield

      Betcha Jim Webb thinks drafting troops is just fine and dandy.

      • Bitter Scribe

        Boy howdy does he. He co-wrote, along with James Fallows*, an Atlantic article years ago in which he passionately argued for a return to the draft.
        What struck me was his lead: He started it off by writing about how the military prisoners he guarded as a Marine were routinely subjected to humiliations like having to ask permission for every single bite of food they ate. Then he moaned about how you can’t do that without the draft because people might not volunteer if they were subject to that kind of abuse.
        Fuck him.
        *I know a lot of progressives think a lot of Fallows, but to me, he’s the progressive Bill Kristol. I can’t remember him ever being right about anything.

        • Fitzgerald Chesterfield

          I think you need to go sit on the Group W Bench

          • Bitter Scribe

            Why is that?

      • Villago Delenda Est

        I’m sure he does, and I do too, but for different reasons, and I’m willing to make it “National Service” and not necessarily military service, and without any exemptions for anyone.

        I think tossing a bunch of young people into a mix of other young people they probably never would have mixed with might open some eyes, and inculcate some appreciation that the stereotypes they grew up with might be a bit exaggerated. They can all fight forest fires, or help run preschool classes, or pull guard duty, or something. The point is they all are thrown together and learn to work as a team and set aside their preconceptions of other Americans…particularly those based on melanin levels.

        • Big Puppy

          Add in 500 miles from home and you’ve got a plan!

          • eddi

            Maybe not. Get them invested in the local scene and after they graduate they may keep it up out of habit.

        • Fitzgerald Chesterfield

          I’m with you. Mandatory service for all, not necessarily in the killing industry

          • eddi

            I’d prefer none in the military. They’re doing fine with volunteers. On the other hand teaching aides, apprentice laborers and clean up crews would have their work cut out for them.

        • Amy!

          This is the United States. So of course there will be free-market variants of public service. And faith-based public service! Yeah! We could give these kids a mission!

        • bobbert

          I’m inclined to agree with you. While I was not a draftee, there is no doubt at all that the reason I ended up in the AF for three years was the existence of the draft. I had actually had reasonable exposure to folks of other ethnicities during four years in Madison; what the Air Force gave me was mandatory contact with folks (of various ethnicities) who were not from my lower-middle-class background. THAT was fucking eye-opening.

        • Lamashtar

          Old note but, I know at least two racist soldiers, one who openly admitted to beating up gays for fun and the other whose family was KKK, both changed their minds about racism due to the contacts they made from military service.

    • Lot_49

      Some things never change. Now we just ratchet down the value of labor and number of available jobs until the Poors volunteer self-recruit!

    • Metadude

      Cold Mountain much?

    • Solipsister

      Yeah, the “rich man’s war, poor man’s fight” thing is QFT. However, in the end you’re fighting for government’s cause, whether you agree with it or not. And in the Confederacy, almost every white benefited from slavery, whether they personally owned slaves or not. They had family members who did, they had inheritance interests, they rented slaves or subcontracted slave labor for their own family farms or businesses, they rented property or rooms from slave owners, etc. My dirtpoor grandfather who ended up dying of pelagra was a blacksmith and didn’t fight, but he periodically used slave labor and did business with slaveowners. I don’t judge poor white decisions harshly or easily. But every Confederate and Border state had Union regiments. It was possible to make a different choice. Terribly hard, but still possible. I worry sometimes about what things I’m doing today that I can’t/won’t view as a choice that my descendants will skeptically look back on

  • Msgr_Moment

    This is exactly like my esteemed faculty colleagues at my esteemed institution/employer, when it’s time to pick a Dean. “No need for us to mount a national search: we have so many fine candidates among our own ranks.” And the argument sounds convincing, until you actually see who’s available and willing to run.

  • Angry_Cop

    Reagan’s defense secretary?

    FUCK THAT

    • beatbort

      Maybe that’s why he so defensive?

    • Bitter Scribe

      Secretary of the Navy, actually. He quit because they wouldn’t give him enough boats to play with.

      • Lot_49

        Yep. Ronnie’s SECDEF was Cap Weinberger, who only escaped jail time because of a pardon.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          Issued by Poppy Bush to pre-empt Cap from flipping on Poppy. Walsh almost had Cap ready to cop a plea and testify.

          • Lot_49

            Those were the days. Cap escaped with his reputation as unsullied as Oliver North’s.

  • Jim Webb would make a great candidate in the election of ’16…. 1916.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      You gotta admit “I’m slightly less racist than Woodrow Wilson” is a hell of a campaign slogan.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Considering how racist Wilson was, that’s not much of a compliment.

        • Latverian Diplomat

          And it still may be more of a compliment than he deserves.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Even Reconstruction has passed him by.

  • calliecallie

    Does he own stock in one of those confederate flag making companies or something? WTF does he even speak about this? No one cares what he thinks, especially when he’s wrong.

    • bobbert

      Ever.

  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    Who?

  • Ryan Denniston

    Hey Web! (see what I did there?) Southern Democrats got with the program or became Republicans about 20 years ago. Nobody likes you. Nobody wants you. Now make like a tree, and get out of my party!

  • rocktonsam

    who said the word nigger?
    Jefferson Davis
    Robert E. Lee or
    Jim Webb. Probably

  • beatbort

    Seriously, this guy is running for President? President of what? The Madame Tussaud’s Fan Club.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      The Confederate States of America, it seems.

  • elviouslyqueer

    I hope he’s not looking at his Facebook responses, because the vast majority of them are very nicely and politely Jindaling him with great alacrity.

  • Charles Wolf

    “The venerable Robert E. Lee” was a fucking traitor who should have been hanged at Appomattox.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      He was spared to save the lives of the poor, stupid fucks who worshipped him as their commander.

      But at least he was stripped of his citizenship…until it was restored in 1975? WTF? Yep Act of Congress in 19 friggin’ 75.

      http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/40085.html

      • H0mer0

        George Washington apparently ordered in his will that his slaves be set free upon his death. Robert E Lee delayed that action.

        • Werewolf

          George Washington Custis, actually (Martha Washington’s grandson and Lee’s FIL). And then Lee personally oversaw one of his slaves getting 40 lashes for trying to escape.

          • ButIKnowWhatILike

            And oversaw the enslavement of 46 free African-American residents of Pennsylvania during the advance on Gettysburg, because the CSA was all about states’ rights, not slavery.

            Seriously, fuck that guy. Honorable, my hairy butt.

  • Lefty Frizzell

    That’s a VERY thin slice of the Democrat primary vote he’s making a play for there.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      You have to think that these are the people who registered as Democrats by mistake, and are unaware they can change their registration at any time.

      • nmmagyar

        IOW – stupid people

        • Anarchy Pony

          You guys keep saying republican.

    • Amy!

      He’s red-blue color-blind?

  • Bitter Scribe

    Webb’s whole shtick is that he’s going to ride the tide of “Reagan Democrats” to the White House, since he’s the most Reagany of them all, even serving in Reagan’s Cabinet.
    Here’s something he likely will never understand: The proper spelling for “Reagan Democrat” is R-E-P-U-B-L-I-C-A-N.

    • Spotts1701

      Or D-E-A-D, since it’s been 35 years since Reagan was elected the first time, and I doubt it was the younger end of the Democratic spectrum that was all in for Ronnie.

    • Lot_49

      Webb was Navy secretary. That’s not even a cabinet member.

  • AnOuthouse

    “respects the complicated history of the Civil War”
    ummm, no. Just stop. Now.

  • Fitzgerald Chesterfield

    This is the Webb recipe for success:

    1. Be a hawkish, bigoted, kinda populist dick.
    2. Wait for your more established and better-funded opponent to make a fatal error.

    • FlownOver

      Forgetting, of course, that there’s no particular filing deadline and OHJB is always there for us.

  • AnOuthouse

    Webb also decided that senatoring was too hard and quit after one term. Reminds me of someone else.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Well, at least he didn’t quit in the middle of the term because money was calling him away with it’s sweet seductive song.

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Part of Hitler’s inspiration for Nazi policy was copied directly from the United States. Particularly from the South. To be fair, he was very admiring of US “Manifest Destiny” policy that included genocide of those pesky natives who got in the way, and that’s a sin that belongs to both the South and the North.

    • Boscoe

      The key is not compulsively doubling down on it.

  • FlownOver

    It takes real cunning to go after that rich trove of Democratic electoral votes in the old Confederacy.

  • Ilgattomorte

    Yes, the Confederate Battle Flag has been perverted by those who would call it a racist symbol, not unlike animal porn.

    Throughout history there has been so many wonderful animal lovers who just REALLY wanted to love animals, going back as far as Catherine the Great. Now, good, pure animal lovers, of past and present, are grouped in with a few lecherous creeps who know nothing of real love and respect. These people just want to choke a chicken, literally.

    It does a disservice to honorable animal lovers to call them rat-fuckers, cow molesters or horse swallowers; when these are good people who just want to share a tender moment with a fellow creature and record it for later viewing. It’s the same kind of prejudice we show to those who respect the Confederacy for it’s historical significance only, and rightly so. The bond between the Confederacy and animal fuckers is strong and we should defend both groups in exactly the same way.

    • Zippy

      Kinky…

    • Dudleydidwrong

      The sheep feel left out. In fact they feel real baaaaaaad. Please include the sheep. Sheep are people, too, my friend.

      • Zippy

        Sheep are people, too, my friend

        or at least some guys are willing to pretend they are by last call…

        • jmk

          Chuck C. Johnson, for example…

          Allegedly…

      • willi0000000

        is that where sheeple come from? . . . i never knew.

        [ wow . . . sheeple are people ]

        • bobbert

          DO NOT WAKE THE SHEEPLE!!!

          Edit: I could do the xkcd link, but I’m sure I don’t need to.

  • Callyson

    It should not be used in any way as a political symbol that divides us.

    Considering that the Civil War was fucking fought with the purpose of dividing us, I’d say that it cannot be used in any other fashion, asshole…

    • jmk

      That’s pretty much it in a nutshell…

    • James Christopher Owen

      Fucking History, how does it work?!

  • MOG253

    Dixiecrats unite!

  • tiredofdogma

    This clown was born and raised in Nebraska. He didn’t move to the south until after his military service and his law school graduation.

    • Zippy

      and yet he brown noses the bigots like he’s been doing it his whole life

      • Boscoe

        it’s a calling.

        • proudgrampa

          It’s certainly a specialized skill.

  • bargal20

    Slavery: good or bad? It’s complicated.

    • Mehmeisterjr

      Well it isn’t just black and white. It’s nuanced. 3/5 of me says it was bad, 2/5 says it was good.

  • Callyson

    Watch out, Hillary Clinton, he’s comin’ right for ya!

    • Villago Delenda Est

      You can tell Hillary is positively quaking in her Pradas there.

  • elviouslyqueer

    He seems nice.

    • bobbert

      For values of nice between “idiot” and “asshole”.

  • Lefty Frizzell

    I put something similar in another article as well, but – do you think he’d feel the same about the Mexican flag at the Alamo? That was complicated also…

    • Zippy

      not to Santa Ana it wasn’t- it was a great big “W”

  • Lot_49

    Webb always looks like he’s about to have a rage hemorrhage. You know how all those Vietnam vets are: just one irritation away from a psychotic episode.

  • Bitter Scribe

    Webb thinks that because he fought side by side* with blacks in Vietnam, he’s the bestest at racial relations there ever was and don’t you dare call him prejudiced.
    *Actually, he commanded them in the Marines, as a lieutenant fresh out of the Naval Academy. I’m guessing his black troops held him in the same high regard they held all their other white officers.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Prolly so. You have to earn respect, it’s not just handed to you because you’re wearing a butterbar.

      • H0mer0

        mmmm, buuutter…

        • janecita

          Paula Deen libel!!!

      • Lamashtar

        Late to the party, but NOBODY respects butterbars in the military.

    • Msgr_Moment

      Almost as good as Jack Kemp, who showered with African-Americans.

  • Zippy

    I like how MotherJones put it- Jim Webb: the Democrat’s Rand Paul

  • OneYieldRegular

    Oh what a tanged Webb we weave, when we do practice to derp.

  • Me not sure

    I’ve never known any Marine to show the slightest amount of sympathy for people who killed Marines, as the armed forces of the Confederacy did in numerous campaigns. Semper Fi?

    • r m reddicks

      Semper Fucked? Full disclosure and all that I never marined. The thankfully Few. The unpleasanty Proud. The indomitability somewhat stupid knights who say Ni to almost anything.

      • janecita

        Back in college, I dated a marine, he was the dumbest guy ever, really hot though. Behind his back I used to say “The few, the proud, the morons”. I dumped him and he cried, and I laughed at him:-( God, I’m evil!

  • r m reddicks

    It’s complicated, but…… more dots.

  • AngryKatie

    If you work backwards from Webb’s argument, he’s also saying that you can’t consider all of the Nazis to be Nazis who supported all the Nazi stuff as doing so defames and vilifies the poor innocent Nazis that were just there for…who the fuck knows, let’s say states rights.

    If anything, the maybe-Nazis have a better argument as the Confederacy didn’t offer the choice of joining the party or being labeled a traitor and joining the rest of the undesirables on the trains to nowhere good.

    • nmmagyar

      The Nuremberg Tribunal answered the “just following orders” question pretty well.

      • r m reddicks

        If not entirely legally. But losers get what losers get. Other than we let the hosers in the south off the hook which negated a whole bunch of dead people.

        • nmmagyar

          Being a gay, Jewish-ish Gypsy you’ll have to forgive me for not giving too much of a fuck if international law wasn’t followed to a “T” at Nuremberg.

          • Villago Delenda Est

            There is controversy to this day about Nuremberg, but given the enormity of the crimes, it seems rather petty and picayune to say that justice was not done there.

          • r m reddicks

            Just enough justice to satisfy some westerners. Superficial love and justice.

          • James Christopher Owen

            Sometimes you just have to say “The fact that there’s no law against it is merely an unfortunate oversight which we’re about to correct. Starting with your neck and this rope.”

          • Boscoe

            It’s the thought that counts. :)

        • georgiaburning

          Ultimately there are some moral codes which people are responsible for following no matter which uniform they wear. Leaders in WWII Germany organized and maintained a system of industrialized murder which killed 12 million or so humans (Jew, Gypsy, Russian, Polish, French, German, etc) and a slave labor system that held at least that many. There were no international laws dealing with this completely as nothing like it was supposed to be still happening in the 20th century. So the four powers did what had to be done.

          • Enfant Terrible

            According to my Austrian lawyer friend, the Nuremberg Trials were conducted under German law. It was actually illegal for the Nazis to kill all those Jews, Gypsies, etc. That’s why they used code phrases like “special treatment” and “final solution” and did everything on the down-low. There was nothing “ex post facto” about what the Allies did.

          • r m reddicks

            Interesting. Not an argument I’d heard before.

          • r m reddicks

            Moral codes! Ah you’re an optimist! There ain’t no stinkin’ moral codes. Tween us and the neighbor down the street we may have some.

      • Thaumaturgist

        But Neuremberg didn’t try the trigger men. Just the leaders.

        • r m reddicks

          “Ordinary Men”

    • MrBlobfish

      That’s right. Not every Nazi killed a Jew. Lighten up.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      There were plenty of Germans who were in uniform, but not Nazis. For example, the conspirators who planned to kill Hitler and overthrow the Nazi party before it was too late to save Germany from what actually happened.

      Then there were the resistance cells such as the White Rose.

      Plenty of Germans joined the party purely out of opportunistic selfishness, because it was the way to advance in the government, or not being a party member prevented advancement.

      It’s always a bit more complicated than what the popular culture’s various media tell you how it happened.

      • WIDTAP

        “joined the party purely out of opportunistic selfishness”

        Gee, why does that I have heard that recently.

  • DemmeFatale

    He thinks he has a special understanding of war and the “brotherhood of military men.”
    He doesn’t.

    • Treg Brown

      Is he talking about when you’re in the military and cross the equator?

      • eddi

        It was dark, he was drunk and in love.

  • JohnR

    Would love for Webb to be a republican and have a democratic Party we could turn our backs on without getting screwed, and that Bernie Sanders would have been a member of all along.

    • Boscoe

      I think I followed that… no… wait… lost it, sorry. What?

      • JohnR

        A little incohernt sorry. The politics in this country have moved so far right that the lunatic fringe is the mainstream GOP and the Dems are the moderate GOP and regular old pro labor,civil rights supporters are commies.

        • Jen_Baker_VA

          Pro labor civil right supporters were ALWAYS commies. Dang pinkos

          But Webb was a Republican. He’s another turn coat (or I seem to recall that during the election and what not.)

  • MrBlobfish

    Sorry, Jimmy, but there were only honorable Americans on one side. Dick.

    • Boscoe

      Word.

  • Legion32

    Wondering what Webb means re. “honorable Americans fighting on both sides” when one side declared war against the American government? Unless this is what Mr. Webb (D-DINO) is referring to as being honorable:

    “FORT SUMTER, S.C., April 12, 1861, 3:20 A.M. – SIR: By authority of Brigadier-General Beauregard, commanding the Provisional Forces of the Confederate States, we have the honor to notify you that he will open the fire of his batteries on Fort Sumter in one hour from this time. We have the honor to be very respectfully, Your obedient servants, JAMES CHESNUT JR., Aide-de-camp. STEPHEN D. LEE, Captain C. S. Army, Aide-de-camp.”

    Source: http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/sumter.htm

    So being honorable to Webb means sending the USA fair notice before you declare war on her?Following this train of thought, the only thing keeping Al-Q and ISIL from acting “honorably” is simply forgetting to include the word “honor” and signed with a “respectfully” in their warnings of attacks against the U.S.? All it takes is a simple “v/r”? Da fuq?

    • Villago Delenda Est

      The Japanese actually planned to hand the US Government a declaration of war before the first bombs fell on Pearl Harbor, but the time zone differences screwed up that plan.

      • Legion32

        Good point. My wife is Japanese American and I sometimes joke with her about her ancestors “sneak attacking us” but I do believe you’re correct and if so – I guess they acted honorably as well according to the Webb rule.

      • georgiaburning

        Also cause they had bad crypto techs at their embassy. Took too long to decipher the letter

        • Villago Delenda Est

          They should have asked the US for help with that…I imagine the US crypto techs had it decoded first.

        • Msgr_Moment

          Shouldn’t have fired all the gheys.

    • Spotts1701

      Well, it would help if the declaration was on parchment with really fancy calligraphy.

    • Enfant Terrible

      Well, the word “honor” appears twice in that message. Doesn’t that count as honorable?

  • Anarchy Pony

    Totally OT and random, But does anybody else think it’s weird that we’re the United States of America? Why is our continent still named after some Italian guy?

    • Boscoe

      Someone needs to start a petition immediately to change our name to THE UNITED STATES OF AWESOME!!1!

      • Anarchy Pony

        Or something less ridiculous.

        • Boscoe

          Pfft. Philistine.

      • bluejayray

        And for our new national anthem:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDOog0XS8Qg

      • anniegetyerfun

        That’s some Andrea Tantaros-level shut, right there.

    • dogscantlookup

      It’s better than United States of Vespucci.

      • Markuserektus

        Sounds like a scooter.

    • Querolous

      Leifland

      • UnsaltedSinner

        Strictly speaking, that should be Vinland.

        • Querolous

          Or Dené–Caucasia

    • georgiaburning

      Pocahontasia? Oh, wait, she discovered Britain.

    • bluejayray

      Damn immigrants want to take over EVERYTHING!…

    • sw19womble

      ..

      • Msgr_Moment

        Neener, neener! Mexico is wearing undies on its head!

      • anniegetyerfun

        Needs most dong (Florida).

        • eddi

          I was about to say… usually Florida is known for letting it all hang out.

    • Charles Cates

      There was an Italian guy named North American?

      • DrNoSexForBenghazi!!11!,MD.org

        Yeah – he founded that Van Line.

    • proudgrampa

      Because it sounded better than his other name. Can you imagine trying to sing “God Bless Vespucciland?”

    • Markuserektus

      Amerinds ;)

    • bobbert

      Hasn’t that been changed to Amercia? Or Murka?

  • Bungee

    What’s a Jim Webb?

    • Boscoe

      A thing you use to mop up Santorum?

    • MrBlobfish

      If you have one for more then four hours, call your doctor.

      • Bungee

        So… you’re calling him a boner.

    • proudgrampa

      Is that the thing with the series of tubes?

  • Joshua Norton

    Now a days I try not to leave my house so I don’t accidentally oppress someone.

    • Anarchy Pony

      Well you just oppressed me because I read your words against my will!

    • sw19womble

      My sensitive literary fee-fees have been crushed by the heinous ripping of “nowadays” into three separate body parts.

      I must to my fainting couch!

    • bobbert

      Your just trying to oppress mah buttons.

  • Bill Slider

    Webb must have visions of being Vice President. The problem with that premise is can he deliver Virginia, or any other Southern state, including his native Nebraska? I didn’t think so.
    Rumor only, as no facts in evidence, but the VP candidate for the Democrats, maybe more of a given than the Presidential nominee. It is HUD Secretary Castro, former mayor of San Antonio. He flies under the radar, while quietly serving the low and moderate income base. His appointment as a Latino was not by chance, nor an accident.

    It takes a village, or in this case a full orchestra. Hillary is the conductor, while Obama leads the string section ( the all important African American vote) Biden leads the brass section (brass balls, not military brass), and Castro leads the percussion section (Spanish voters). Bill Clinton remains in charge of the saxaphones.

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      I thought Bill only exhales?

    • Msgr_Moment

      Needs moar cowbell!

    • tegrat

      yes, but I’m voting for Bernie even if Hillz happens to finesse the nomination.

    • Ryan Denniston

      I am from Nebraska, and he has no shot. We’re all wondering what the fuck happened in 2008 when Obama got Douglas County.

    • proudgrampa

      Clinton-Castro 2016!
      Well, that certainly has a ring to it.

    • bobbert

      Who does Hillz bring? Well, me, in the general, not that it will matter (Californian).

      Also, too, I agree with you about Castro, because I can’t see Bernie accepting the VP nod.

  • bluejayray

    I’ve just never found the civil war to be complicated. Horrible, yes. Complicated, no.

    • dshwa

      Isn’t it amazing that most of the time Conservatives can’t do nuance, but in the one case where it clearly doesn’t apply they’re all about it?

      • bluejayray

        I know–like the endless whining about how the red flag with the blue cross and 13 stars was a BATTLE flag and not the confederate flag etc etc and so on and so forth. It’s a distinction without a difference–that particular flag was appropriated in the 60s to demonstrate that the south still stood for racism, sexism and hating the UNITED States of America.

  • dshwa

    If we remove the flag of traitors, only traitors will have flags?

    • tegrat

      or for every bad guy with a confederate flag we need 100 good guys with a confederate flag? or something?

  • SnarkOff

    Slightly OT, but did you know that not only is the actor who played “Cooter” on The Dukes of Hazzard a former Democratic congressthing from Georgia, but he also got in a big fight on CNN over why the Confederate Flag is OK? #americanexceptionalism

    • Spotts1701

      Yeah, he posted this huge allcaps screed on Facebook as well about how we’re all a bunch of PC thought controllers and that he will never stop selling the flag at his “Cooter’s Place” store.

      • Treg Brown

        “Cooter’s Place” make me feel itchy.

        • dshwa

          Try some penicillin.

      • Markuserektus

        …the tank’s full and the keys are in it.

    • tegrat

      last of the Dixiecrats, no doubt.

    • bobbert

      As I recall, he wasn’t actually a huge douche in Congress. Some of those Dixie boys just get real touchy about the Traitor Flag.

  • Come here a minute

    Jim Webb is amazing. Usually when someone makes a comparison to the Holocaust, you know they’ve gone too far. But when it’s slavery in America, you’re like, well, you’ve got a point there. But not Jim Webb!

    • UnsaltedSinner

      They’ll be saying Hitler was a racist next…

  • UnsaltedSinner

    “The Confederate Battle Flag has wrongly been used for racist and other purposes in recent decades.”

    The recent 15 decades, I believe. But he’s quite right: I’m sure the soldiers of the Confederate army would have been horrified to see their flag used to symbolize a divided America.

  • Msgr_Moment

    Just because Abe Lincoln insisted that the losing traitors be treated as honorable opponents, for the sake of our Union, doesn’t make them anything other than dishonorable traitors in retrospect.

    • Enfant Terrible

      Sometimes the only reward for magnanimity is the positive judgment of history.

      • eddi

        And a stab in the back for your descendents from theirs.

  • Rufus T. Firefly

    What about all those blacks who fought in the Confederate army, libtards?

    • Enfant Terrible
      • cmb

        Lee asked that the slaves be freed as a condition of fighting, but the bill that passed the Confederate Congress on March 13, 1865, did not stipulate freedom for those who served.

        The measure did nothing to stop the destruction of the Confederacy. Several thousand blacks were enlisted in the Rebel cause, but they could not begin to balance out the nearly 200,000 blacks who fought for the Union.

        Lee surrendered to Grant on Apr. 9, 1865. So the impressed slaves had, at the most, 27 days to help kill rebels.

    • Incoming Ham

      You lost me at “libtards.”

    • Unforgotten

      There’s that scene in ‘Journey to Shiloh’ in which the six/seven Texans who are in route to fight ‘those Yankees’ meet a family of black men who praise and push them to fight for the South, and the guys don’t understand why they are doing it (they’re slaves), and as if it’s the most obvious thing the oldest black man says ‘We are all Southerners’…
      I never liked that scene!
      So I went to do some research to see if it was historically accuraten(there’s some more than obvious mistakes throughout the movie), and… it is.
      The whole ‘North vs. South’ mentality went deeper than people usually think, and many black men were ready to give their lives for what they saw as their home.
      Too bad that those governmental bodies at Richmond (and the society they represented) disagreed so much with that idea.

  • Mintie

    That headshot touched me in a bad place. No seriously–I feel dirty.

  • JoeChristmas

    ZOMG, Kaili, how dare you criticize a veteran?

  • tegrat

    I never really liked that guy, and now I’m sure I don’t.

    • Amy!

      I read his Navy Cross citation on Wikipedia. I can’t decide whether he was a hotdogging glory hound as 1LT, or a “born fighting” hero. In a rational service of a rational army, the 1LT doesn’t lead his platoon into each bunker in turn, but this is the Marines (1/5), a year and sparechange months after Tet, so maybe that was how it had to happen? I wasn’t there (born 1961; I did my senior thesis for college (1982) by analyzing the Vietnam War from the FMs in our local library (it was a depository library, so we had them all)). Possibly he had a platoon of such lackadaisical sorts that they all figured “hey, bunkers. let the LT do it,” but it just … doesn’t sound very Marine-ish.

      • bobbert

        To be Marine-ish, it needed to have 80% casualties. Theirs, ours, doesn’t matter.

  • TheBidenator

    We can all thank rapproachment for trying to dislodge the reality that the Confederacy was nothing but a bunch slave owning pigs by glorifying the antebellum South in the North during the late 19th-early 20th centuries. Personally I say keep standing up for those slaveowners and their racist, treasonous flag wingnuts and ‘Democrat’ Jim Webb and let us all see you do it. This can in no way end badly….if you’re supported by teabaggers.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    “It should not be used in any way as a political symbol that divides us.”
    Saying that about the flag of the army that waged war AGAINST the United States is the dumbestfucking statement on American history that I have ever read.

    • sw19womble

      Serves hippy progressives right for being so reasonable. If a puppy misbehaves, sometimes you’ve got to smack it on the end of its nose every time until it finally understands.
      Bad Dixie! Naughty Dixie! NO!!

      • eddi

        Andrew Johnson should have hung everyone involved in the Confederate government below a clerk and every officer in the Confederate Army above corporal. The illiterate s-kickers left would be no threat since they would either starve or die of disease rather than allow Yankees to help them. In the end, we would have Lincoln’s Negro Nation to deal with. Win-win I call it.

    • Enfant Terrible

      Um… the flag is used today as a political symbol that divides us. By its supporters.

  • Ryan Denniston

    ‘Democrat’ Jim Webb Fondly Remembers Slave Holders,”

    Fondle them Big Jim. And also too, go away!

    • Enfant Terrible

      Gotta hand it to him – he’s locked up the neo-feudalist vote.

      • eddi

        I thought the Rebs had that in the bag.

  • Treg Brown

    “But we should also remember that honorable Americans fought on both sides in the Civil War…”

    Except only one side had honorable Americans. The other side had the Confederates. Let’s look at it as one country attacking another country. So, not really Jimmy.

    • Amy!

      I don’t actually like it when people look at it like one country attacking another. Because, you see, this was one bunch of disgruntled fuckwits who panicked so badly over the election of a chief executive that in defense of their indefensible culture, they attacked the armed forces of their own nation (justifying it by claiming to have left the country).

      Here’s the thing: if you wanna renounce your citizenship and attack your own nation, you have to do it in order, and you don’t get to make the property you own extraterritorial by fiat. You wanna get all your neighbors together and renounce membership in the nation? Cool story, bro. Let’s decide how to do this divorce. What do you mean “it’s done?” What do you mean you shot our dog and set fire to my car? You … killed the kids? Yeah, sorry, no.

      It’s generally agreed (at least in popular discourse) that secession is a settled matter, post-Civil War (as in: “no”). That’s not necessarily true, but it would have to be done by agreement. Granted, our own revolution provided the template: kick the mother-fuckers out. The difference? Yorktown versus Appomatox Courthouse. Otherwise, get the congress critters to agree that you’re more trouble than you’re worth.

      Secession and violence? Not honorable, and not a separate nation. Just a collection of traitors. When they modified the “stainless banner” because it looked too much like a flag of surrender except for the battle flag up in that one corner, they did it wrong. Surrender more better, ye villains, ye cowards.

  • SK

    A new poll shows an overwhelming 4 percent of Democratic primary voters think you’re the cat’s pajamas

    Seriously, that is the most alarming bit in the article. WTF are those 4% thinking?

    • sw19womble

      Too dumb to correct the right button on the survey.
      See also Florida c.2000

      • Swampgas_Man

        But I thought they were all Pat Buchanan fans!

    • Steverino247

      They were vain and didn’t bring their glasses to the polling station.

    • nmmagyar

      Hillary hate runs deep. Not deep enough to go all the way to the dark side, but deep enough to support A.B.H. at this point in the game.

    • bobbert

      They’re actually Republicans.

  • JDM

    Yeah, funny how the Confederate battle flag only recently got used as a symbol for racists. It’s not like it originated for racist traitors to wave as they fought (and attacked first, BTW) to retain the right to own, buy, and sell human beings (who they said were subhuman).

    And “the venerable Robert E. Lee”? That would be the same guy who oversaw whippings of his slaves, directing that the slave’s wounds then be packed with salt. Webb must be using a dictionary with a different definition of “venerable” than mine.

    • WIDTAP

      That and for the whole treasonous secession from the Unite States. Other than those two things, perfectly “venerable”

      • JDM

        What’s a little treason to Webb? He’s a fan of Reagan too, the traitor who made a deal to sell weapons to the enemies who were at the time holding our citizens hostage, on condition that they not release those citizens until Reagan was sworn as prez. Treason? Webb’s a FAN.

    • bobbert

      The thing is, there really are two contexts. In the 1860’s context, it was the emblem of a rebellion, which mostly existed to defend the institution of slavery, but whose soldiers were (as is usually the case in war) fighting because Grey versus Blue. While I do like to use the term “War of Southern Treason”, the real traitors were the Confederate leaders (including the venereal REL), not the cannon fodder.

      After the war, the traitor battle flag went away for a hundred years, only to be resurrected in the 1960’s as a symbol of opposition to the Civil Rights movement, and of a lingering nostalgia for the days when those uppity you-knows knew their place. Now, “recent decades” is a remarkable bit of weaselwording. It’s five-plus decades, Jimbo, which is fifty fucking years, which is almost as long as either you or I have been alive, so “recent” is maybe not an appropriate adjective to describe the current context, in which the fucking flag should be burned on sight.

  • Poly_Ester

    Read that as “Confederate Rag” All the esteem it deserves.

  • tohu777

    I blame the Democratic Party (never trusted Webb, so am not surprised), filled as it is with far too many hawks, bigots, shameless corporate shills, and so on. Webb is only one of a number of very distasteful, backwards-looking, self-serving figures in the Democratic Party, in the North no less than in the South. Even when *all* the Dixiecrats and their spirit are dead, our only major, putatively liberal-progressive party will be haunted by corruption, war-mongering, tribalism/racism, and so on.

    When all is said & done in 2016, we’ll be left to wonder: is a Clinton New-Labour-like administration the best we can do?

    • James Christopher Owen

      “I’m Not Nearly As Bad As The Alternative” just lacks a certain ring as a campaign slogan.

      • Iron Monkey

        How about “You could do worse than voting for me”?

      • Unforgotten

        Is fearmongering (on such level) a (R) thing?
        If yes, then it’s not for Hillary to try a shot at it, stick with what she knows best.
        If not, then should Hillary try it?

      • It’s my dating strategy in a nutshell.

    • SprayedMilkOutMyNose

      K. But what do you do? Vote for an asshole who happens to be less of an asshole than the other asshole, all the while listening to Won’t Get Fooled Again? Vote for Bernie? Create a liberal Tea Party? Is America just a gun lovin’, fuck the poors, MEMEMEME society, and it is what it is?

      I think Obama was a decent president. He has done more good than a lot of presidents. But he couldn’t galvanize the country. His selling of the ACA sucked yoogly…That said….The ACA…fuck man…wow. Awesome job. If it manages to stick around, “Obamacare” is a moniker that will go down in history books. His name will be associated with it forever. It will forever be a stone in the shoe of the right. Forever. BUT….he couldn’t unite the country. I think that is largely because he is black. We need someone or something to happen that will gel the country around progressive ideals. That sure as fuck isn’t Hillary…

      • Amy!

        Actually … I’m starting to think that Obama has done something that other Democratic Party stalwarts haven’t managed, for a couple decades, and I think he may be remembered for that, some day, as well.

        Specifically, I think this man has nurtured (insofar as he could) the next generation. That’s … potentially to the detriment of truly admirable people, like OHJB. But … Warren. Castro. I think that there are other examples. I also know that there were old-style Democrats (Kay Hagan; my bitterness still burns in my throat) who ran against his platform and record in 2014 (and lost, of course).

        He came up in Chicago, and as a community organizer (as we have all heard, time after time). I think he’s actually done something to regenerate the Democratic Party, by finding and inspiring the folks who can represent its constituents, after he leaves office. That may be his most lasting legacy, if it’s true.

        • tohu777

          My only vague, fond hope is that the *very* basic politics of the Democratic Party are changed–that is, that the influence of lawyers and alpha-type life-long political specialists/operatives is reduced. This is only a fond hope because…President Obama has *surrounded* himself with these damned people right from the start. No point in naming names, because there are really no exceptions to cite as a contrast. The “revolving door” between private and public power & policy isn’t even revolving–it’s wide-open. (Bravo to McDonald’s execs for bringing in that sleazy operative Robert Gibbs, to help them through fights over their shitty labor practices!)

      • Plus the TPP has ruined a lot of the respect I had for Obama. I get a lot of powerful and wealthy global interests want it to happen, but “Well, China is *scary*!” isn’t good enough a reason to force yet another poison pill down the throats of what’s left of the country’s working and middle classes (not to mention the regressive intellectual property and copyright rules the TPP is almost certain to enshrine).

        I’m still hoping that the TPP will be the issue that finally leads to a resurgence of the Left on a national scale in this country, and we’ll get to see politicians like Elizabeth Warren tackle the real structural problems in the United States instead of just zeroing in on the same culture war/identity politics battles over and over again. But then again somehow the optimism hasn’t been beaten out of me yet.

  • cousin itt

    Years ago, when Webb jumped the shark even the shark was like, “nah mang, I’d rather starve.”

  • Metadude

    I was really upset when NASA announced the Jim Webb space observatory. However, a little Googling revealed that Jim Webb was the name of the former NASA administrator, and not this asshole.

    • bobbert

      I still think they could have found an astronomer to name it after. Hell, Henrietta Swan Leavitt — she did all the work that led to Hubble’s Law.

      • proudgrampa

        Hell, yeah! Henrietta was one smart cookie.

  • JohnE_o

    But we should also remember that honorable Americans fought on both sides in the Civil War….

    headslap…

    I don’t know why this is complicated for old Jim, but I’ll try to explain it simply…

    the ones who fought on the Union side were honorable Americans…the ones who fought on the Confederate side were disloyal rebels…

    Not really that hard to figure out.

    • anniegetyerfun

      I am willing to believe that there were soldiers on both sides who rather would not have fought at all.

      • nmmagyar

        As there have been in every war ever fought.

      • Unforgotten

        Lincoln himself was really short of being actually hated by Union military authorities because he had a thing to grant ‘presidential pardons’ to men who proved that they had not ‘deserted’ the Army and the fight, they had made a ‘pitstop’ at their homes after they got bad news from it (usually manpower problems), and when they had felt that their families were ‘safe’ again they had returned to the front (and got arrested for desertion…).

      • bobbert

        AOT.A

      • eddi

        No soldier who has been exposed to fire wants to fight. They do so for reasons have little to do with causes and much to do with survival of themselves and their friends.

  • ButIKnowWhatILike

    Webb is polling at 4%? That’s outrageous – my first thought is that has to be at least 4% too high. After Hillz and Bernie, there’s also whatshisface from Maryland and isn’t there some other guy, too? Who the fuck is left to support this unreconstructed Dixiecrat.

    But I suppose someone has to represent the self-loathing Democrats, who wish they could be Rethuglicans but prefer instead to make the Democratic Party as Reepish as possible. A Joe Lieberman: The next generation, that’s Jim Webb.

  • Biff52

    Trump/Webb 2016!

  • Thomas McCabe

    That should be “descendants continue to wave” but we get the idea. Totally agree with the sentiments of the article.

  • Solipsister

    I hate him with the passion of a fiery sun. Not least for the suffering I endured reading his piece of shit book slinging the lie that “Southern culture” is uniquely “Anglo-Celtic” and that’s what led to the Civil War, not slavery, and that the only reason we have a functioning military today is because of all those fine Irish and Scottish lads from the South so disproportionately represented in the ranks. Hate him. Have I mentioned I hate him?

    • janecita

      Dude, are you a masochist? Why, for fucks sakes, did you read his “book”????

      • Solipsister

        It’s a fucking curse. I knew I was down the Rabbit Hole of Shame when I got to the part where he actually used scenes from Braveheart as historical evidence to prove his fucked up theory about “Celtic” racial savagery but I couldn’t climb back out. The horror. The horror.

        • eddi

          Sounds like he is as down on Scots and Irish as he is on black folk. How very 19th Century of him.

          • Solipsister

            Oh no, he means “Celtic savagery” in the good way. That’s what he considers the root of American Exceptionalism.

          • eddi

            I have never considered the idea that calling someone a savage could be a compliment. Just narrow-mindedness on my part.

    • Unforgotten

      Who do you believe in?
      Guys and gals, over a hundred years after the facts (now 150 years), saying that it was not about slavery?
      Or the guys (everybody was mysogenistic back then) who actually did the stuff, the whole Secession and the war that followed it, and left their ‘Declaration(s) of Secession’ (one per state) and speeches and the likes to explain why they were doing it (hint: it was all about the stuff they based their economies on and how it was a ‘holly’ right to them)?

      • Solipsister

        Preach!

    • proudgrampa

      Oh, come on now. Tell us how you REALLY feel!

  • anniegetyerfun

    You guys, where is the Piyush Jindal announces post? I need to mock him. Please.

    • bobbert

      They must be saving it up for tomorrow. Probably too much hilarity in the Sekrit Chat Cave.

    • MilwaukeeKent

      I’m still surfing Donald Trump’s hair and not sure I can handle another GOP announcement. A little relishment too, for me, waiting for Scott Walker’s formal attempt to climb into the GOP clown car through a cracked rear window when there’s no oxygen left…
      SOOO looking forward to a brokered convention, it might happen and they deserve it. Conservatives crave order and they’re guaranteeing chaos. Life is beautiful.

    • Boko999

      Troll on, Brother/Sister/Citizen/Comrade, troll on.

    • tohu777

      Who is this “Piyush”? I don’t know him – but I know a dedicated, stiff-backed, stalwart all-Amurrican Christian named Bobby…who assisted in an “exorcism” in college, and who has never met a redneck-villager “value” he hasn’t embraced as if it were his own…

  • MilwaukeeKent

    “And all the way to Fayetteville we cursed McCuloch’s name
    And mourned the dead we left behind and we was carryin’ the lame
    I killed a boy the other night who’d never even shaved
    I don’t even know what I’m fighting for I ain’t never owned a slave

    So I snuck out of camp and I heard the news next night
    The Yankees won the battle and McCulloch lost his life”

    Steve Earle “Ben Mculloch”

    Yup.

    Sorry, Jim. you’re correct that many non-slaveholding Southerners fought for the South, generally for seven bucks a week and a rifle they could keep. It was seditious. Your side lost. Put that stuff in a museum where it belongs, make a shrine in your man-cave, whatever, just stop waving it in our faces with the blessing of your states. Part of me wishes we hadn’t fought your side to preserve the Union, the whole South has been a high-maintenance nightmare before, during and forever after the Civil War, part demanding debutante and part low-life, garage-burgling cousin. Maybe we should have just said, “Well, bless your heart.” and let the South go. The place has never, ever carried its own weight except for here and there now and then, once in a while.

    • Msgr_Moment

      ….part demanding debutante and part low-life, garage-burgling cousin…

      You left out “sister-marrying yokel”.

      • Magic Juan

        My wife and my sister resent that comment, if you don’t believe me just ask her.

  • actor212

    MEMO

    TO: Jim Webb

    FROM: Yer Pal, Actor212

    Subject: The Civil War

    You lost. Get the fuck over it.

  • JD Mulvey

    How DARE anyone use the flag of a treasonous splinter group that fought against our government to DIVIDE us!

    We must all UNITE in a MULTICULTURAL SOCIETY where white supremacists are accorded the same MUTUAL RESPECT that they so obviously give everybody else!

  • Haribo Lector

    “The Confederate Battle Flag has wrongly been used for racist and other purposes in recent decades”

    And also in the 1860s.

    • Dr.Zoidberg

      Win!

  • Fly

    South of the Mason-Dixon line all the southern ladies shop at traitor Joe’s

  • docterry6973

    He misses that sweet, soft singing from the slave quarters.

    • Dr.Zoidberg

      The harmonies were to die for.

  • dslindc

    Who?

  • DahBoner

    Wasn’t Webb a “detective” on an old TV show?

    Just the facts, mam’n….

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