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So how about that Confederate flag? Now that it has a negative association for the first time ever, seems like everybody has decided to jump off the Confederate bandwagon, except of course for the diehard morons, of whom there are quite a few. Within hours of Gov. Nikki Haley’s call to remove the Confederate flag from the South Carolina Statehouse, a whole bunch of other Republicans suddenly realized they had permission to get rid of the goddamned thing, too. Mitt Romney actually did something good in his life! The next domino fell Monday night, when Mississippi’s Speaker of the House of Representatives, Philip Gunn, said it was time to remove the Confederate flag emblem from the state’s flag, too.

It’s also a hell of a way to act like you’re doing something while avoiding talking about guns.

Mississippi (Flag) Burning

Gunn, by the way, is a Republican, which proves Democrats are the REAL racists, and also something something Robert Byrd. The battle flag in the corner of the state flag was added — purely by coincidence — after the end of Reconstruction in 1894. Mississippi voted in a 2001 referendum to keep the current flag, but following Haley’s announcement in South Carolina, Gunn suddenly became aware that there was also a Confederate flag embedded in his own state’s flag, and issued a brief statement:

We must always remember our past, but that does not mean we must let it define us. As a Christian, I believe our state’s flag has become a point of offense that needs to be removed. We need to begin having conversations about changing Mississippi’s flag.

Earlier Monday, Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant had said that he doubted the Legislature would “supersede the will of the people on this issue;” he was traveling Monday night when Gunn made his announcement and was unavailable for comment.

Even so, there were some Mississippi Republicans who were quite happy to defend the beautiful Confederate imagery, like state Sen. Melanie Sojourner of Natchez, who responded on Facebook Saturday to Mitt Romney’s condemnation of the thing:

Mitt Romney’s call to action regarding the flying of one of this nation’s historical flags is an example of what is wrong with society today.

The flag was no more the “source” of horrible acts against mankind than a gun is the “source” of someones death. [sic] The “source” is the hatred and evil that resides in the hearts of some who live and have lived among us.

We all have a responsibility to make certain that it is the “source” we address and not place blame on something that alone could do no harm. Simply placing blame on something that some see as a symbol only perpetuates the problem.

It’s only a symbol, what’s the big deal? Also, it’s not one of “this nation’s historical flags” — it’s the flag of a no-longer-existing nation that was defeated by this nation. Really. You could look it up.

Virginia Creepers

Meanwhile, in Virginia, Democrat Gov. Terry McAuliffe, perhaps in an effort to cover up the fact that Democratic Sen. Robert Byrd, who’s been dead for five years, was in the KKK in the 1940s and that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, called for the state to stop putting the Confederate flag on Virginia license plates, now that the Supreme Court has said that it’s OK for states to decide what goes on their own plates. Speaking in Richmond, McAuliffe said on Tuesday:

As Governor Haley said yesterday, her state can ill afford to let this symbol continue to divide the people of South Carolina. I believe the same is true here in Virginia. Although the battle flag is not flown here on Capitol Square, it has been the subject of considerable controversy, and it divides many of our people … Even its display on state issued license tags is, in my view, unnecessarily divisive and hurtful to too many of our people.

Not surprisingly, there is resistance to the idea. Members of a group called the “Virginia Flaggers” — who are merely history buffs and proud of their ancestral ties to courageous Southern soldiers, mind you — has spent the last week parading around with the Confederate flag, just being all proud of their heritage n stuff. These are the same loons who bought a patch of land to put up a giant confederate flag next to Interstate 95 entering Richmond, which prompted one of the greatest photoshop trolls of the last year or so:

Sadly just a photoshop job

The Flaggers, who keep insisting that they are not a racist hate group, they just want to honor the brave soldiers who died for a treasonous racist hate nation, complained that it’s terrible that a troublemaking bunch of troublemakers, not to mention outside agitators, have stirred up trouble over the Confederate flag:

We are deeply saddened to watch the disgusting attempts by some media representatives, self-appointed ‘historians,’ activists, and even elected officials to exploit this national tragedy by using it for political purposes, and as an excuse to advance their hate-filled agenda, by calling for an all-out war on the Confederate flag and our Confederate heritage, beginning with the removal of the flag from a Veterans’ memorial on the Capitol grounds in South Carolina, over 100 miles away.

The group also posted a call to arms (metaphorical only, for sure, because they say right on their homepage that they abhor violence) on Facebook against Terry McAuliffe’s plans to phase out Confederate license plates:

Definitely not suggesting violence not at all. no sir never nuh-uh.

Remember, they are not suggesting that any actual war has broken out, or that anyone should be “mad enough” to start shooting carpetbaggers. It’s all just colorful metaphor!

And Tennessee Too!

Now this is just getting out of hand.  Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam raised his hand and said “Me too!” when the “Who Wants To Dump Confederate License Plates?” truck drove up Tuesday. And he’s a Republican, too, so something something Robert Byrd KKK Ted Nugent. Haslam reportedly wasn’t even aware that some Tennessee plates carry the flag’s image, but he’d “be in favor of discontinuing it,” he said.

It’s like the Night They Drove Old Dixie’s License Plates down, innit?

Oregon Has A Confederate Flag on Display? WTF?

There’s also a minor kerfuffle over whether to take down a Mississippi flag flying in Salem, Oregon, in a “Walk of the Flags” display in a state park near the Capitol. State officials told The Oregonian newspaper that they’d heard no complaints about the flag, but Rep. Lew Frederick, one of two African Americans serving in the state legislature, did say he’d like to see it removed, because he finds the Confederate imagery a symbol of oppression. In an email reply to the paper, he wrote:

I hope that Oregon’s awareness of that will rise to the level of eliminating its display on government property in this state. There is no more reason to display the stars and bars than there is to display a swastika flag.

Frederick recalled growing up in the South, and the meaning of the Confederate imagery:

I grew up with this flag, and it was used around me for the same reasons it even exists. To taunt African Americans, to remind us of our status in the historical South, and to remind us of exactly what it symbolizes to those who carry or display it: Racism and their attachment to racism.

A spokeswoman for Gov. Kate Brown said the governor was pleased that Nikki Haley had called for the Confederate flag’s removal, and that she hopes the Mississippi flag near her state’s capitol will come down too.

With any luck, Mississippi will just beat Oregon to it and change its flag to something nice, like maybe that Magnolia thing they used to have. Oregon likes trees.

[Clarion Ledger / HuffPo / Washingtonian /OregonLive]

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  • onedollarjuana

    “I hope that Oregon’s awareness of that
    will rise to the level of eliminating its display on government property
    in this state. There is no more reason to display the stars and bars
    than there is to display a swastika flag.”

    In other news, the Idaho state legislature has voted to add the swastika to its state flag.

    • Angry_Cop

      The swastika is one of the oldest symbols of mankind, a good-luck symbol used for thousands of years by people of all types all over the world (and still is, just wait until you go to any Buddhist nation when they’re flying their flags and be prepared to see a lot of shitty WWII Nazi movies in your head!)

      Idaho has done nothing to earn the privilege of putting such an auspicious symbol of good luck and holiness on the state rag.

      • MrBlobfish

        Sounds like a dare.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Another thing the Nazis fucked up.

        • kindness

          Next thing we know they’ll be going after leather. What will the kinksters do then?

        • Jaime Oria

          Yeah – the “lucky cross” was A Thing for quite a while here in the USA:

          • Jaime Oria

            Also, too: the Edmonton Swastikas women’s hockey team c. 1916

          • Blank Ron

            Funny, they don’t LOOK Aryan.

  • Lizzietish81

    Guns don’t kill people! Flags kill people!

    • QHarp
  • Lizzietish81

    Guns don’t kill people! Flags kill people!

  • Vecciojohn
    • Villago Delenda Est

      Oregon’s past is not very pretty, in regard to racial issues, I’m afraid. I live in a county named for a Confederate sympathizer.

      We’re doing better now, but we still have more to do.

      • gedjcj

        William Rufus King was pro-slavery, but anti-secession, so small favors, I guess? (Of course we’re not named for him any more.)

        • Villago Delenda Est

          Yup, the folks up Seattle way fixed that problem very elegantly.

  • Vecciojohn

    How dare you say anything bad about Oregon!???!! Cancel my subscription!!!

    http://www.oregonlive.com/hillsboro/index.ssf/2014/02/black_history_month_oregons_ex.html

    Uh . . . Never mind.

  • Spotts1701

    You want to fly a rebel flag? Fly it on your own property. That way, the rest of society knows you’re a Lost Cause.

    • Vecciojohn

      Or that you own more than one pair of adult diapers.

      • SK

        DAVID VITTER LIBELZ?

    • JohnBull

      And my kids know to skip it on Halloween.

      • kindness

        Oh come on now. Your kids can’t find poo to put into (soon to be flaming) bags on these folks doorsteps?

  • memzilla

    Let’s all fly this one instead:
    .

    • SK

      Sorry, but I cannot endorse any such consequence of gay marriage.

    • borninatrailer

      Eww. They’re into knife play.

  • goonemeritus

    As a proud Northerner I am prepared to accept the South’s
    surrender.

    • Vecciojohn

      Can I be in charge of Reconstruction? Please?! Please?!?!!

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Only if I get to help.

        • Vecciojohn

          Under my administration there will be full employment running FEMA camps for all good comrades – oh, shit, I’ve said too much!

          • Villago Delenda Est

            I call dibs on the one that hosts one l!

          • david green

            You people just can’t keep a secret, can you?

      • MrBlobfish

        I wanna be Gen. Sherman.

        • artem1s

          Mother Mary Ann Bickerdyke. I rank you MF! :-)

        • Biff52

          Oh goody, cosplay!

      • cousin itt

        It will need a gay makeover.

        • elviouslyqueer

          Just wait until the SCOTUS decision on Thursday, when every single Southern gay will have a spontaneous orgasm.

          • kindness

            Let us hope at least.

    • SK

      As a cowardly Northerner I am prepared to accept the South’s secession.

    • MrBlobfish

      Again.

  • Malmborg Implano

    I’m guessing from the way they’re all suddenly turning on a dime that ALEC and the Koch brothers just sent out a memo that they do NOT want a race war.

    • Blank Ron

      Not this month, anyway.

  • AnOuthouse

    Of course it took Republicans to have the courage to purge the South of that wicked flag. Democrats are the real racists.

    • nightmoth

      I’m hoping that a good portion of the GOP base in the South will be so mad about this that they just don’t vote at all next year!

      • kindness

        Or the next 10 elections. That’ll really show us!

  • deanbooth

    “We need to begin having conversations about changing Mississippi” PERIOD!

    • eddi

      I vote we change it to a water park.

    • Blank Ron

      Honey, it’s your turn. *rolls over and goes back to sleep*

  • LarryHoudini

    DEMOCRAT HEADS MUST BE EXPLODING!!!

  • shastakoala

    And on this episode of “Fun with Flags” we will discuss the fabric of racism.

  • jmk

    Maybe the Sons of Confederate Veterans should contact the Sons of Gestapo Veterans organization for public relations tips.

  • AnOuthouse

    First gay marriage, now this. We’re on a roll. What should we insist on next? Taxing the rich? Stop police killing of unarmed citizens?

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Let’s go for it! Free weed for everyone!

      • FlownOver

        AOT, K. Of course.

  • JohnBull

    Wal Mart’s now pulled all Confederate-related merchandise off the shelves for good. Now what are the rednecks going to put on their Durangos?

    • SK

      I suppose they better run to Hobby Lobby for paper and crayons and start drawing.

    • AnOuthouse

      truck nutz?

    • david green

      On in the front window of their single-wides?

  • Callyson

    Also, Yr Doktor Zoom will be explaining American wingnuts to British insomniacs on BBC Radio 5’s “Up All Night” Tuesday, June 23, from 9:15-9:30PM EDT, livestream at http://bbc.co.uk/5live / Washingtonian /

    Aw, crap, I’ve got a schedule conflict. Will this be archived anywhere, Dok?

  • Villago Delenda Est

    The Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia was adopted in the late 50’s/early 60’s specifically and with malice aforethought as a symbol of segregation, white supremacy, and racism.

    This if fact. This “tradition” dates from the Civil Rights era.

    Everything else is bullshit.

    • Angry_Cop

      OMG a fact!

      • gedjcj

        If there were comments children might be reading!

      • vivian

        Avert thine eyes, lest Satan’s shiny apple blind thee!

        • Blank Ron

          Is that what you kids are calling it these days?

    • chicken thief

      But Doocy on Fox and Friends said it is heritage. Who’s a person to believe – someone with ‘facts’ or a real teevee star?!

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Well, you’ve got me there.

      • eddi

        It is a heritage. One of evil, stupidity and violence. And some people are actually proud of that. i just destroyed the shift and caps keys lest i do something i would regret. aaaaaaahhhhhhh111111 i’m losing mind here11111 i just bit a chunk out of the desk i’m so angry111

    • JD Mulvey

      You sound like one a them there ‘self-appointed historians.’

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Not self-appointed…I’ve got a degree! Me be kollege gradumate!

        • vivian

          Congratumalations!

        • coozledad

          You work at Burger King? I was only undergrad history. Me resurface highway in sun.

        • jqheywood

          I could tell with the Punic War/Vietnam War combo in your username….seriously well-played, sir!

  • gedjcj

    [C]alling for an all-out war on the Confederate flag and our Confederate heritage…

    Lack self-awareness much? Been there, done that.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Seriously. You’re 150 years too late, bubba!

      • eddi

        Ya lost, deal with it.

  • OneYieldRegular

    Good to see we’re not entirely a nation of Flaggers, Birthers and Duggars.

  • cousin itt

    Yr Doktor Zoom will be explaining American wingnuts to British insomniacs on BBC Radio 5’s “Up All Night” They’re going to be happy they lost the colonies after you Wonksplain at them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_QRL3t9qyc

  • MsAnthropesMr

    In related news, Ted Cruz, says he is also against the Nazi Flag. Meanwhile, Bobby Jindahl indicates that he will continue to fly the confederate flag at every opportunity.

    • MrBlobfish

      I’m surprised Jindal isn’t trying to incorporate the confederate flag into the LA flag.

      • artem1s

        he’s probably got the artist adding into the background of his official portrait as we speak

  • Angry_Cop

    Very glad someone else noticed that while the stupid libtards are so busy wetting their pants over finally getting rid of the Southern Swastika, that the gun control portion of this discussion has magically vanished, as it ALWAYS does. Amazing, how every time a bunch of people die at the wrong end of a firearm, something else comes along and a few days later, for all the uninformed reader knows, they died of a particularly virulent form of VERY racist pertussis.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Hey, the media can only focus on one narrative at a time, as all their multitasking skills are tied up deciding between the tiger shrimp or the cocktail weenies at Sally Quinn’s party. Also, too, they’re well paid under the table by the merchants of death to not mention the gee you enns.

    • Treg Brown

      I’m pretty sure the gun control conversation is already over when the killing of children at a school is viewed as an acceptable loss and forgotten for the fucking privilege of owning a penis extender.

      Fuck these assholes.

  • dslindc

    Of course, guns are never a problem and should never be discussed or restricted, but remind people that racism still exists for a minute and these flags have to go.!

    Hash tag hypocrisy.

    • cleanfront

      Baby steps … we’re not Australia!

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Always remember: we got the religious nuts, Australia got the thieves and hookers.

        Australia wins!

        • Biff52

          One of my great-great grandfathers left his wife and children behind on Knifecrime Island and somehow landed in Kansas before again picking up roots before the Civil War and headed to British Columbia. I’m glad he got out of Kansas before Brownback arrived, anyway.

  • cleanfront

    I hope these artery-clogged, dim-witted, backward-ass, ‘heritage’ conservators realize they can still wear their traitor-loser flag. It’s much more convenient to weed out the idiots from the somewhat rational with the label of the loser.

    • VandeGraf

      Probably lining up to sign the roster of the Heritage Foundation, Militant Wing.

  • Jen_Baker_VA

    Mitt Romney’s call to action regarding the flying of one of this nation’s historical flags is an example of what is wrong with society today.
    *papal bitch slap with votes +52
    It is NOT a flag of THIS nation.

  • Tallmutha

    We never really liked you, Confederate Flag. The truth is, we always thought you were a stuck-up bitch. Signed, the Republican Mean-Girls Clique

  • deanbooth

    God Hates Flags!

  • VandeGraf

    Pubic lice, okay. Everyone hates pubic lice. But Donald Trump? How can you hate someone who makes you laugh so hard?!

    • Relativicus

      I shall find a way!

    • Villago Delenda Est

      The Donald has never figured out that we’re not laughing with him.

      • eddi

        Best damn part of the joke.

      • eddi

        Best damn part of the joke.

  • You forgot Tampa, Fla. where the “world’s largest” Confederate flag flies near I-75 and the Florida State Fairgrounds.

    • Biff52

      You could be our Florida Correspondent!

  • VandeGraf

    Jesus wouldn’t wipe his dirty feet on the rebel flag for fear of contagion.

  • MrBlobfish

    I wondering when someone would mention carpetbaggers.

  • chicken thief

    So you don’t mind if I tattoo a pic of my cock on your forehead, Sen. Melanie Sojourner? It’s just a symbol and ain’t gonna hurt anyone.

    • Boscoe

      …and the swastika is just because I think it’s a cool looking design element. It doesn’t mean nuthin’, it’s just some jaggy lines!

    • cousin itt

      Sojourner is a rather unfortunate name for her to have.

      • jmk

        Ain’t THAT the truth!!

        • gedjcj

          ISWYDT!

          • jmk

            Quite a lot of her words ring true today – you could aim this at these flag assholes with perfect precision:

            “You have been having our rights so long, that you think, like a slave-holder, that you own us. I know that it is hard for one who has held the reins for so long to give up; it cuts like a knife. It will feel all the better when it closes up again.”

    • marxalot

      But what is it a symbol of?

      • chicken thief

        Well,… of my cock. But now that I think of it, her forehead ain’t that big. Might have to tattoo that sumbitch on her back!

    • MrBlobfish

      Will it be to scale?

  • VandeGraf

    But wait, isn’t the traitors flag the unofficial rallying symbol of the GOP? Or is that the thousand dollar bill?

    • Treg Brown

      Yes.

    • SnarkTank

      Nah, they light their cigars with the small bills.

  • SpideySenser

    This is now the second time in my entire life that I have agreed with a rethug, Romney on Confederates and that one time Jesse Helms was wondering what the hell we needed an ambassador to the Vatican for.

  • Boscoe

    The Bocephus industry may never recover…

    • Vecciojohn

      Do all men with famous fathers turn into assholes, or just 80% of them?

    • MrBlobfish

      “If”.

  • marxalot

    England had a couple of civil wars. Do the people there still wander around wearing the wrong rose or Oliver Cromwell’s insignia? Is there anywhere else where the losing side still parades around after the civil war ends?

    • Villago Delenda Est

      White Rose or death!

      • Vienna Woods

        Richard III, last legitimate King of England.

        • Blank Ron

          Yeah, Henry Tudor was appointed King by SCOTUS.

    • cousin itt

      Guy Fawkes?

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Totally different thing. Sort of a preview of Roundheads and Cavaliers action.

    • Vecciojohn

      It was different here. The Union just won the war. The traitors won the peace.

    • JohnE_o

      Some years back, I was visiting England and my native guide was showing me a site of the English civil war. I asked a similar question and she just looked at me blankly and said something to the effect that it was a really long time ago and no one much cares about it like that.

      Maybe someday it will be like that here. One can hope

    • OldMayfly

      Well, you know, English & Celts still have their differences. So many US southerners are Celts.
      Think of the joke-“What is Irish dementia?” “It’s when you forget everything except your grudges.”

    • eddi

      A bunch of executions reduced enthusiasm for long term support of a lost cause.

      • Blank Ron

        A word to the wise, I guess.

    • david green

      I think they still reenact the Battle of White Mountain on the other side of the Atlantic.

  • Vecciojohn

    Dis flag is big flash in da pan! And it’s bringin’ drugs inta da country. In a few days it will be ovah an’ I’ll be back on top baby! Yooooger than evah!!

  • chicken thief

    Egg is pissed that her ‘is it a bird or a fucking fish?’ blouse didn’t take off like Mitt’s ‘yo, bro’s, might wanna take that flag down. Word.’.

  • AngryBlakGuy

    …the confederate flag nuts are trying give open carry gun nuts a run for their money

  • coozledad

    Wonder if Virginia will remove the Confederate flag flying over this shitshack.

    http://www.wset.com/story/29117801/danville-museum-declines-request-to-replace-old-confederate-memorial

    This was where Davis and his cabinet ran after Lee ran out of cannon fodder, so they could divide up the money and split for South America.

    • Mintie

      That might qualify as a museum display, so probably not.

      • coozledad

        I’m afraid you’re right. Danville is majority black, especially in the old city. Sad they have to see this excrescence.

        • Amy!

          Virgil Cain is my name, and I serve on the Danville train
          […]
          The night they drove old Dixie down, and the people were singing,
          They sang: la, la-lala-lala, lalalala, lalalala la.

          :-)

          • Villago Delenda Est

            ’till Stoneman’s cavalry came and tore up the tracks again
            In the winter of ’65 we were hongry*, just barely alive
            By May the 10th Richmond had fell
            It was a time I remember oh so well

            *yes, I know it should be “hungry” but Levon did this with an authentic Ozark pronunciation. Which is one of the reasons a song written by a Canadian in the 1960’s seems like an authentic period piece.

          • Amy!

            Yeah … but I left it out because I wanted the Danville connection, and then “the night they drove old Dixie down, we were singing, la-la”.

            It’s pretty broad cynicism, and gets missed a lot (it sounds like a pro-Southern song, until you actually know what the lyrics say).

            The day, they pulled that damn flag down, and all the people were singing,
            They sang: ha, and a ha-ha-ha, ha-ha ha-ha and ha-ha-ha-ha.

            (disclaimer: I grew up in Maryville, TN, where the main rival of the almost-all-white Maryville High was the almost-all-black Alcoa High, and the colors were red and black, and the emblem was the “rebel” flag (team name: Rebels). I hated it then, and still)

            (also, the version by The Band is the one that resonates for me)

  • Monsieur_Grumpe

    Charlie Danials is going to shit his pants… again and again.

    • coozledad

      Obama went down to Charleston. He was lookin’ for a flag to blame
      He was on a run towards a bannin’ guns. He didn’t have no shame.
      When he came across this redneck spanking on his monkey and makin’ it spit.
      And Obama jumped upon a hickory stump and said “You crackers are sick, ugly, delusional, dumb, inbred motherfuckers.”

      • CalvinianChoice

        More verses please.

  • Bren

    Rachel’s got a suggestion for what to put on Oregon’s flag.

    If not that then what about a turd from Ted Nugent?

  • Politics_Nerd

    You don’t see any Confederate flag pinatas, tho, do ya? Not yet anyway. It’d be better to burn the flag one anyway.

    • Politics_Nerd

      (instead of beating it with a stick)

      • OldMayfly

        Mr. Trump made some untrue and unkind remarks re Mexicans. So a pinata merchant in Texas is now offering a Donald Trump piñata. Seems fair.

  • Joshua Norton

    That is some weapons grade lack of self-awareness right there.

    • eddi

      Inbreeding will tell.

  • geoffalnutt

    They can’t have their craven image without calling it exactly what it is: “The Dixie Swastika”. Whoever thought of that…is a genius. Thank you.

  • Bob@Bob.com

    Republicans hate public lice and all the self-entitled welfare queens collecting them. Privatize lice is their battle cry

    • Art Carnage

      “If we privatize lice, everyone will have them.”

  • exinkwretch

    Typical of the GOP to get behind a mostly symbolic and ultimately worthless gesture. Meanwhile, they’ll keep gerrymanding the living shit out of Congressional districts and try every voter suppression trick in the book that might make our alleged democracy more, like, democratic.

    • Enfant Terrible

      The states tacitly endorse racism and treason by displaying the Confederate flag on their capitol grounds, so getting them to stop the displays pretty much ends their endorsement. It’s a baby step.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    How long before the first wingnut claims that if Mitt had been elected in 2012, the Confederate flag isse would have been solve years ago?

    • TheBidenator

      Hmmmmm never. Or wait, once the last flag comes down they’ll claim it was all Mitt Romney and Nikki Haley’s idea and Republicans were always against the Confederacy (while praising the Confederacy).

      • BackDoorMan

        … kind of like how Mittens got all the credit for a successful Olympics in 2002? That sort of spin? I can see that happening…

  • TheBidenator

    “Oregon likes trees” we resemble that remark and just what are you implying, Dok? I haven’t hugged in tree in a fortnight!

    • Villago Delenda Est

      We don’t like those darn Stanford trees, for example.

  • TheBidenator

    Republicans are cynical enough to think that removing the Confederate flag means they won’t have to talk about guns or institutional racism or racist tax policies, or racist sentencing or housing discrimination, credit discrimination, educational disparities, community opportunity disparities- ya know the stuff that is really important. Don’t get me wrong I want that flag down, urinated upon and burned but we can’t let this be the ONLY thing that gets done about this packet of issues….

    • Art Carnage

      It’s a step. First remove the cultural symbols.

    • JustPixelz

      When I saw how quickly the Republicans jumped on this flag issue, I figured they were ready to try anything to get above 5% of the African-American vote. This had the advantage of have almost no political cost because the white southern racist vote has nowhere else to go.

      • temporarily’tom’

        “… because the white southern racist vote has nowhere else to go.”

        except to NOT go to the polls on election day…But I doubt we’d be that lucky

        • JustPixelz

          As I understand Republican voter suppression, white male voters don’t have to go to the polls. Instead the polls will be brought to them by bikini models. For black voters, OTOH, they have to drive 50 miles and have a 24 hour waiting period.

          • temporarily’tom’

            That explains why all those bikini models strolling around my neighborhood never stopped by MY house…

          • david green

            That would be the reason, all right.

        • david green

          A lot probably depends on which dog whistles the GOP blows between now and the elections. A lot of those white southern racists aren’t all that smrt to remeber something that happened 18 months ago.

          • temporarily’tom’

            good point…depressing point…but good point

    • temporarily’tom’

      yep. That’s the ONLY reason they’d take it down if they do take it down

  • vivian

    FIFY

    • Art Carnage

      Piggly Wiggly!

      • OldMayfly

        “Th-th-that’s all folks!”

    • Beaumarchais?

      To be honest, I wouldn’t mind so much if they flew a reverse, like what’s behind Mr. Wiggly there. At least it would imply that they had changed in some way.

    • temporarily’tom’

      Piggly WIggly too…tres apropos

  • Notreelyhelping

    I hope you don’t mind wearing these wrist and ankle shackles. It’s just our heritage.

    • JustPixelz

      Or having a Northern Army march through.

  • Bob@Bob.com

    Breitbart has countered with “take down the gay pride flag”. They event used the phrase “Big Gay Hate Machine”

    • Amy!

      Huh. I did not know that there was a state that flies the pride flag at or near the capitol.

      Or is that a(nother) “nuance” that the zombies who ate Breitbart’s brain and now publish on his website missed?

    • Yeah, but the Gay Pride movement is WINNING, unlike the traitor Confederessah.

  • parachihuahua
  • Bahhhdman

    And now the shitty governor of North Carolina has jumped on the license plate bandwagon.

  • Belasaurius

    “self-appointed ‘historians,’? What about real ones, like me? Take that piece of shit flag to the dump where it belongs.

    • Mehmeisterjr

      What is a “self-appointed ‘historian'” anyway? As far as I know, anybody in a free country can research a historical subject and publish the findings. Are the Virginia Flaggers suggesting that only they are entitled to control historical research? To answer my own rhetorical question, yup, that’s exactly what they mean, the mouth-breathing assholes.

      • Unforgotten

        Maybe it is some guy, like me, that got tired of hearing that the South was for ‘this’ and not ‘that’, and then came a book or tv show or movie and said ‘Wrong! The South was for ‘that’ and not for ‘this’!’, and then came ANOTHER book or movie or TV show…
        And decided that if those guys spoke and wrote in English and left tons of well documented records of their actions and motivations (minus General Lee)… then why shouldn’t he go and look those records? It’s not like they are, or ever were in most of the cases, ultra-top-secret stuff…

        • temporarily’tom’

          But you’re asking historians to not be David Barton and that is NO FAIR!

  • timpundit

    I’m glad.

    But anything to distract from the need for gun regulation, I guess.

  • temporarily’tom’

    I live in Richmond…I TOTALLY missed the giant flag off the interstate..HOLY SHIT

    • Fitzgerald Chesterfield

      They wanted to put it near town, but it ended up way up between Frederickburg and Quantico. It’s very big.

      • temporarily’tom’

        Ahhh. that explains it…I’ll have to keep an eye on it next time I take the chinatown bus up to DC

    • JustPixelz

      I’m thinking of moving to Norfolk (because I want to be surrounded by nuclear reactors and bombs in the care of 18 year olds). Will I hate the hate-speech?

  • kindness

    Virginia was a border state in a way. I have family from there that fought for the North in the Civil War and some that fought for the South. Both sides had folks that died in that war. (ie – I lost family from both the Yankee and Traitor sides)

    • OldMayfly

      Me too.

  • Fitzgerald Chesterfield
  • JustPixelz

    As a Christian, I believe our state’s flag has become a point of offense…

    Um … it was always offensive dipshit. I can’t believe you needed it Jesusplain’ed it to you.

  • JustPixelz

    We are deeply saddened to watch the disgusting attempts by some media representatives, self-appointed ‘historians,’ activists, and even elected officials to exploit this national tragedy by using it for political purposes, and as an excuse to advance their hate-filled agenda, by calling for an all-out war on the Confederate flag….

    Hate-filled … really?

    Their complaint should be with segregationists, white-power groups and disloyal Americans who co-opted that flag to antagonize their fellow citizens.

    Without going full-Godwin, the swastika is a symbol within Hinduism and Buddhism. But you know who else used the swastika as a symbol? Hindus and Buddhists don’t complain about the hate-filled media and “historians” about this. They must be smarter than the average Flagger.

    • Skwerl King

      I agree. If the flag had not bee co-opted by such groups, most people wouldn’t have a problem.

      • Unforgotten

        There’s that manga and anime ‘Blade of the Immortal’, in which the ‘hero’ of the series uses a kimono with a ‘manji’ (the japanese name of the symbol we know as swastika) all the time, which caused some trouble when they published and exhibited it in/to Western countries. And there’s a LOT of temples in the East and Middle East with swastikas, including some sinagogues…

    • H0mer0

      yeah, first the Arabs co-opt our numerals and then the Nazi’s have to co-opt our symbol
      (oh, who am I kidding? I can’t remember the last time I was in a temple…)

  • Skwerl King

    Many northern states however will not remove the Confederate flags in their capitols’ rotunda, because we won.

  • DahBoner

    Why can’t Confederate States adopt the White Flag?

    First of all, it’s White, as in White Supremacists.

    Second, nothing says LOSER like waving a White Flag.

    http://media1.giphy.com/media/NUQXxUa88B6ta/giphy.gif

    • gullywompr

      They already did. At Appomattox.

      • Unforgotten

        By the way, where did they found that particular flag?
        They brought it with them? Or Lee said ‘Enough! Somebody find me a white colored… anything so they can think it’s a flag! Now!’ (or the likes)?

      • malsperanza

        So, it’s historically accurate!

  • AngryKatie

    Wait a minute…is self-appointed historian a thing?

    What kind of compensation do they get?

    Because I have an until now pretty useless master’s in history and the kind of can-do attitude that I think might make for an excellent self-appointed historian. Assuming it comes with health insurance, a reasonable salary, and generous time off.

    • Biff52

      I self-identify as a historian, so shut up!

      • Barley_Brains

        I used to too.

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    Nine people had to die.

    • Enfant Terrible

      Yeah. No talk about “silver linings”, please.

  • malsperanza

    Damn, if Mitt Romney had voiced the opinions he shares with mainstream America back in 2012, instead of seeking to woo the neanderthal redneck vote, he might actually have had a real shot at the White House.

    What a fucking tool.

    • Enfant Terrible

      What a stroke of luck.

  • Enfant Terrible

    Calling into question the intelligence of the working folks who went and fought for the Confederacy and for the right of plantation owners to hold slaves. Think about it – these no-account NEEgroes were taking JOBS away from good, hard-working white people.

    Conclusion: working folks in the South in the 1860s couldn’t reason their way out of a wet paper bag. No wonder they lost the war.

    • Lizzietish81

      Is it so different from working people fighting and dying in Iraq for Halliburton?

      • Blank Ron

        One small difference: most of the kids fighting and dying in Iraq were already in the military and so didn’t have much of a choice. The ones I wondered about were the ones who signed up BECAUSE of the war. Not bad people, just very effectively lied to.

  • Enfant Terrible

    Anyone up for unintentionally revelatory art with Nathaniel Bedford Forrest as the subject? WTF???????????

    http://gawker.com/alarming-statue-of-a-racist-and-horse-perfectly-honors-1713422930

    • Is he mad because the Ramones are after him for taking their baby away?

      • Unforgotten

        At least! We know where he is! Maybe the baby is not that far away!

  • fawkedifiknow

    Someone tell that one ignoramus from Virginia that what the anti- flaggers are doing is not “all-out war” on their ass wipe “stars and bars.” All-out war is what my Yankee ancestors rained down on their chicken- fried asses, and sent their heroes home under a white flag of unconditional surrender.

    • Unforgotten

      Will they listen?

      • eddi

        No.

        • david green

          They didn’t listen last time, either.

          • eddi

            Or when the US Marshalls and National Guard went in to forcibly desegregate the schools. I still remember the pictures in Life of those two small girls surrounded by soldiers.

  • SisterArtemis

    Oh. My. God.
    had no idea the stars and bars were flying ON PUBLIC PROPERTY just 60 miles up the Road from me.
    I’ll be communicating my opinion on THAT matter to my very own Governor Gal tomorrow, count on it!

  • j hentai

    It’s like the Night They Drove Old Dixie’s License Plates down, innit?

    hat’s off to you doc!

  • Blank Ron

    Senator Melanie opined:

    The flag was no more the “source” of horrible acts against mankind than a gun is the “source” of someones death.

    Surprisingly on the mark, isn’t she?

  • Fly

    Suddenly It’s not cool for republican politicians to publicly celebrate slave owning traitor heritage. That’s a small win for humanity.

  • AngstAMillion

    I think anyone who believes the use of this flag in a public place should even be up for debate, should try substituting “Germans” for “Southerners” & “Nazi” for “Confederate” then see how that works. The so-called historical aspect is the same, no?

  • Lord-Nash

    My guess is the flag may come down, but the Confederate memorial will likely stay.

  • Nick.Trite

    Idiots defending the treason flag is no surprise, but people still using the term “carpetbagger” is. I honestly can’t remember the last time that I’ve ever heard someone use that unironically, and I’ve lived in the South for my whole life.

  • Jodie

    all you hypocrites “crackers” is racist you F88ing morons.

    • jmk

      Oh, is it? Is the word used to keep you down, cupcake? What about “redneck”? What about dipshit?

  • REP

    Flash forward to 2017 and we have a bunch of rich white kids calling themselves antifa going around speaking on behalf of minorities….oh the irony.

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