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Maybe it's problematic after all

Seems like only yesterday, Republicans were afraid to follow in the footsteps of Mitt Romney and tell South Carolina to take down its Confederate flag. Who’s to say the flag is hate, not heritage? (Everyone.) And now isn’t the right time for that discussion anyway. (Yes it is.) And South Carolina doesn’t need the rest of the country, especially not presidential candidates, telling it what to do. (Clearly, it does.) And, as South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham has said, the state’s compromise — to fly the flag and have a memorial for African Americans — works JUST FINE. (Uh huh.)

Not a single Republican presidential candidate was willing to say “take down the flag,” and as for the state’s governor? Well, in the last few days, Nikki Haley has conceded the issue is worth revisiting, although prior to the massacre of nine African Americans in their church by confessed killer and white supremacist Dylann Roof, Haley had assured voters the flag was not an issue, because no CEO had ever complained to her about it, and besides, the state ended racism by electing her.

But that was then. And everything’s different now. In a press conference on Monday, Gov. Haley said that for many South Carolinians, the flag “stands for traditions that are noble,” but to others, it is a symbol of hate, and “the events of this past week call upon us to look at this in a different way.” To great cheers and applause, the governor then declared: “It’s time to move the flag from the capitol grounds.”

Haley also said “the flag will always be a part of the soil of South Carolina” and urged those who will undoubtedly feel real sad, should the Republican legislature vote to remove the flag, to kindly get over it because “150 years after the Civil War, the time has come.” She concluded:

July Fourth is just around the corner. Soon, we will once again celebrate the birth of our nation and of our freedoms. It will be fitting that our state capitol will soon fly the flag of our country and our state, and no others.

Damn right, governor. Glad you finally realized that. And she’s not the only one who has evolved on the issue:

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), a candidate for president who just last week defended his home state’s use of the Confederate flag, also will call for it to be removed, according to a source familiar with his decision.

Amazing what a few days of non-stop “Just how stupid are you, Senator?” criticism will do to make a guy realize that the compromise isn’t working so great after all. Although Graham’s willingness to reconsider the issue — “because the shooter is so associated with the flag” — indicates he’s still plenty stupid. The Charleston shooting is not the worst association with the flag, just the most recent.

And here’s Jeb! Bush, the courageous Republican who on Saturday hinted that perhaps the flag should be removed, as it was in Florida when he was governor, but he couldn’t quite bring himself to say that because Jeb is now perpetually terrified of giving the wrong answer to simple questions. Until today:

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We remain in awe of Jeb’s evolution, from his certainty that we could not possibly know what motivated the killer, to his uncertainty about whether it was racial, to his declaration that he’s heartbroken about this act of “a racist.”

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who’d refused to say whether the Confederate flag was a symbol of racism, or what South Carolina should do about it, has also evolved overnight:

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It’s nice to see that Republicans, having slept on it, realize it’s OK to call for removal of the Confederate flag. As they should. Whether South Carolina’s GOP-controlled legislature will vote to remove the flag is unknown, although with enough national outcry, perhaps even those who are currently opposed to removing it will also come around eventually. While it’s a goddamned shame it took the murder of nine people for proud Southern Republicans to be willing to admit the flag of their oh-so-proud “heritage” is, shall we say, problematic, we suppose better late than never. Guess we’ll give them a medal for their courageous evolution. A very small one.

[The Post and Courier / The Hill]

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  • memzilla

    This is not evolution, this is desperate focus-grouped ballot sweat. It’s like asking the steward on the Titanic to serve your whisky neat, now that you believe ice is bad.

  • OzoneTom

    “But we really kind of fixed all that when you elected the first Indian-American female governor”

  • JohnnyZhivago2

    Southern SURRENDER MONKEYS!!!!!!! No wonder they lost!

    • OzoneTom

      The Cause cannot lose — it can only be lost.

    • kindness

      And here I thought the French settled New Orleans.

  • ThisNameInUse

    But there’s so much room for debate here. For instance, when Roof said he was killing those people because he wanted to start a “race” war, how do we know he meant the ethnic kind of race, and not, you know, the Indy 500 kind?

    Thank you thank you, I’m here all week, unless Fox calls me in for a Guest Analyst cameo.

    • FlownOver

      Daytona vs. Talladega. Winner takes on the cheese-eaters at LeMans.

      • Blank Ron

        Now I wanna see Plymouth Superbirds on the Mulsanne Straight.

        • Whale Chowder

          …but not so much at Arnage.

          • Blank Ron

            Hmm, good point. There’d be an awful lot of B-body-shaped holes in the barrier, wouldn’t there?

          • Whale Chowder

            Either that or they’d have to start slowing down just after the second chicane. Porsche Curves would be a horrorshow too. Also.

  • elviouslyqueer

    Maybe, just maybe, our benighted governor Philbilly and his cronies will take it upon themselves to revise the Mississippi state flag.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I crack my shit all the way up sometimes.

    • Beaumarchais?

      Adopted in 1894, replaced in 1906, and readopted in 2001???!?!?! That’s fucked up.

      • elviouslyqueer

        It’s part of the literal fabric of this state. Mississippi Goddamn, indeed.

        • Oblios_Cap

          I heard that one of your reps is calling for its removal. That’ll piss off the frat boys.

  • DahBoner
    • Anarchy Pony

      Aot,k.

  • Metadude

    Profiles in…knowing which way the wind blows.

    • malsperanza

      Eventually, after it knocks them over like a steamroller.

  • Lefty Frizzell

    That’s spineless enough to make senate Dems feel good about themselves.

  • Spotts1701
  • Ilgattomorte

    ” ‘the events of this past week call upon us to look at this in a different way.’ To great cheers and applause, the governor then declared: ‘It’s time to move the flag from the capitol grounds.’ ”

    However, since the black people will retain the African-American Memorial, in the spirit of “separate but equal”, the flag will be replaced with a statue of Jefferson Davis kicking a lawn jockey.

    It’s good to know we’re making progress.

  • JohnnyZhivago2

    It’s pretty pathetic when Mitt Romney, grand panderer of panderers, looks like a profile in courage.

    • Politics_Nerd

      Believe me, if he was actually running, he would probably have been far more circumspect in his answer. Not running = say whatever you want.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Do you know who else makes Mitt Romney look like a profile in courage?

      • Mehmeisterjr

        Barney Fife? No actually, that works the other way around.

        How about that guy who shot himself and his bride to death as the Rooskies approached Berlin. What was that guy’s name again?

    • Villago Delenda Est

      I regret, once again, I can only upfist this comment once.

    • Relativicus

      “That’s not a speed bump. It’s where we set the bar.”

  • MrBlobfish

    You’re the real racist for deriding Nikki Haley’s heritage.

  • calliecallie

    Does this mean racism is over?

    • Toomush_Infer

      Yes.

      • Ilgattomorte

        YES … and no. This is the season finale of “Racism”. Season 2 promises to be just as exciting. We’ll be bringing back all of your favorite characters: the KKK, the Conservative Counsil and the Skinheads. “Racism” Season 2 will have all of the excitement, danger and head-pounding stupidity you’ve come to expect from “Racism”.

        In Season 2 we add a new love interest – Conservative politicians. You’ll be spellbound as these plucky pols walk on eggshells to please the white establishment while trying to appeal to a broader base. You’ll love the new characters: Scott Walker, Jeb Bush, Donald Trump and of course, Peter Dinklage as “The Dwarf”.

        So mark your calendar and stay tuned: “Racism” Season 2, coming sooner than you can possibly imagine!

        • guppy06

          Is next season the one where Scott Brown burns one of his daughters at the stake in the hopes of becoming a senator from $STATE?

        • Villago Delenda Est

          Oh, I imagine “The Dwarf” will provide hilarious snarky commentary as the events unfold, such as “You just sent the most powerful person in Westeros to bed without his supper.”

        • If I could find an orifice, I would have (totally consensual) intercourse with this comment.

  • artem1s

    “JebBush believes the Confederate Flag should be taken down at South Carolina Capitol, his camp tells @ABC

    so someone at the campaign finally wise up and realized ¡Jeb! is nothing but a sock puppet just like his moarstoopider brother? Good move there not letting him get caught on tape saying it for the record. He’s perfecting the Mittbott2012 mid-air flip flop.

    • OneYieldRegular

      It only took him five days to reach a completely straightforward, no-brainer decision – bodes well for a Bush3 presidency.

      • HogeyeGrex

        And did it in a way that he can still deny to the shitheels. “That was just a PR guy telling the media what they wanted, wink, wink.”

      • Celtic_Gnome

        Didn’t it take him that long to come up with the correct answer to the question about Iraq?

    • mailman27

      “Mommy, Mommy can I go to JebBush camp?” said no kid ever.

      • Gleem-McShinez

        One time, at JebCamp, I put a flute in Jeb’s pussy.

    • RoyalUglyDude

      Boy, was he ever late for that parade.

  • Left Coast Tom

    Haley also said “the flag will always be a part of the soil of South Carolina”

    That sounds like an appropriate compromise…the flag can be buried.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      It’s part of the night soil of South Carolina, anyway.

      • Beaumarchais?

        Of which there is plenty.

    • They’re probably biodegradable.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Alas, it’s a bitch to burn a nylon flag. Biodegradable? I wish.

        • Querolous

          Probably made in China.

          • guppy06

            Hell, they probably were Chinese flags outright. Slap on the bars and the extra stars and there you go.

        • They coulda kept making their Confederate flags from cheap cotton if they’d won the war!

      • deanbooth

        They’re certainly degradable.

        • BackDoorMan

          … and very good at degrading others.

    • OneYieldRegular

      Recall the scene in O Brother, Where Art Thou? when the Klan members panic because the Confederate flag is in danger of touching the ground. If I thought Nikki Haley had a commendable sense of humor, I might give her props for that.

  • Virginia Dreaming

    Great GOP spin. All the national figures get to say they should take the flag down, while the overwhelming republican legislature votes to keep it up. Oh well, what can you do. You have to respect the right of the state to determine its own policies. Gag.

    • Blank Ron

      Provided it isn’t banning fracking or allowing abortion or some such.

      • They want the smallest possible government that will still kowtow to the “kill the earth for money” lobby.

        • Blank Ron

          Very nicely summed up.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    So how many SC state legislators are going to chain themselves to the traitor flag flagpole? (Assuming this even passes the leg).

    • MrBlobfish

      If you believe Andrea Tarantula at Fox News, it will be the Democrats

    • guppy06

      AOT,K

  • MrBlobfish

    The real problem, Nikki, is some of your constituents think March 11 is Independence Day.

  • Politics_Nerd

    Nikki Haley’s election ended racism in SC just like Obama’s ended racism everywhere else. /wtf

  • schmannity

    Jeremy Hobson had Prof. Vernon Burton on WBUR’s Here and Now today. Burton, of Clemson, explained that the “tradition” of flying the Confederate flag dates from the 1960s as a protest against the Civil Rights and Voters’ Rights Acts. Nice heritage, South Carolina.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Prezactly. It was chosen as the symbol of white supremacism, of segregation, of racism.

      That’s what it represents. Unless you’re willing to embrace all those things as your “heritage”, then you need to rethink what your “heritage” is all about.

  • Swampgas_Man

    the flag will always be a part of the soil of South Carolina

    So let’s bury the damned thing.

    • LesBontemps

      And let it rot.

      • Anarchy Pony

        Lets use them as door mats.

    • SK

      ..and while we are at it, burn that flag.

    • Spotts1701

      As long as we’re taking requests – we can bury it. After Rep. John Lewis and the other surviving Selma marchers get one turn at using the hole for a toilet.

      • DemmeFatale

        Damn!
        You and Tallmutha are so delighfully creative!

    • Tallmutha

      Make the members of the CCC eat it and shit it out on the ground.

    • LaylaOhGee

      Cut into little squares, for use when House members soil themselves.

    • BackDoorMan

      … and salt the field where we do bury it.

  • Virginia Dreaming

    Nikki Haley – defending a heritage that wouldn’t allow her out of the slave kitchen (except for an occasional trip to the master’s special room in the barn.)

    • Daniel P

      There’s plenty of money in the Uncle Tom business. Just ask Mia Love, Ken Blackwell, Bobby Jindhal and Clarence Thomas. Hell, they even let Michael Steele think he was running things for a couple of years.

      • bluejayray

        Fox has binders full of them to speak on camera against their own self interests.

    • bluejayray

      “One Drop”.

    • guppy06

      I believe that, by Apartheid standards, she’d be classified as “colored” rather than “black.”

  • Politics_Nerd

    Somebody mentioned this earlier: American (‘Murican?) Swastika. Germany banned the swastika in … Germany. We sh/could *at least* ban it on government property.

    • Logic of Color

      Your argument would have merit if Germany had freedom but clearly no one but US America does.

    • bluejayray

      I agree. It symbolizes the overthrow and/or secession from the UNITED States of America. If that truly represents the populace in those states, then they should just secede and get it over with. Chances are, this time we’ll let them–after they buy back all the Federally owned lands and facilities of course.

      • Jen_Baker_VA

        No, they can go, but they can’t have a single inch of America. They’ll have to find their own land where having guns and deciding that everyone who disagrees with them is an enemy that has to be violently put down.

        • bluejayray

          Lately I’ve been thinking about a floating island country made up of old rusted out oil tankers grappled together. We could tow them out to the floating garbage island in the Pacific–they’d never be able to get out.

      • They can secede, then lose a war so quickly it would make their heads spin. Then they would be the occupied Confederate states who would have no actual governance beyond token figureheads.

        Basically, a massive improvement over the current situation.

        • mtn_philosoph

          So, reconstruct Reconstruction?

  • Swampgas_Man

    So the Rethug hive-mind had a come-to-Jeebus meeting and decided it might be helpful to get a few minority votes this time around.

    • LesBontemps

      It won’t actually get them any more minority votes; it just neutralizes a PR problem they were being relentlessly hammered with.

    • bluejayray

      Don’t be fooled–it’s a TRAP!…

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Admiral Ackbar is pretty good about detecting traps, you know.

  • Beowoof14

    Hey it only took 150 years to figure out it is the flag of traitors and losers. That’s pretty encouraging based upon everything else I have seen from the old south.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      The arc of justice is long, but it leads to the right place. We may not live to see that right place, but it will happen. Someday.

      • Toomush_Infer

        Have you been to South Carolina?….

        • Villago Delenda Est

          Not recently, and basically only to get to Charleston, pick up my new Trans Am, and then head back to Fort Gordon.

          There was little reason to cross the Savannah when I was there, it’s not like the stores were open on Sundays to sell beer (the PX was however…).

    • rocktonsam

      and Nikki figured it out only after a few years as governor .
      announcing for president in 3, 2, 1 …

    • mtn_philosoph

      Well it was consigned to the dustbin for the first 100 of those years and was only jerked back out in the 1960s.

  • fawkedifiknow

    I’m sure these statesmen will acknowledge the leadership of President Obama on this point.

    Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. I just told a joke and it’s so funny!!

    • bluejayray

      Doesn’t it crack you up when people complain that our President doesn’t reach out to the GOPTP more?…

  • AngryKatie

    Earlier today I got a CNN breaking news alert that Lindsay Graham was going to announce that he’s decided the flag should come down. Because of a bizarre mash up of wishful thinking
    and dyslexia I initially read this portion of the alert:

    Graham, a 2016 presidential candidate, will make his announcement during a press conference… He will call for the flag.

    As Graham, a 2016 presidential candidate, will make his announcement during a press conference… He will BE IN DRAG.

    I haven’t stopped giggling since.

    • VandeGraf

      Wait, you mean Lindsay isn’t a girl?

    • Mehmeisterjr

      He could do both and rule the news cycle.

      • BackDoorMan

        … if he puts on his Aunt Pitty-pat drag, it could be the news cycle blockbuster of the summer. “Oh! mah smellin’ salts! Fetch them for me!”

  • Anarchy Pony

    The noble tradition of owning people. And mint juleps.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      I’ve never had a mint julep despite my fondness for bourbon. So, what’s the recipe? Two parts bourbon to one part thin mints?

      • Anarchy Pony

        No idea, but apparently southern landowner stereotypes love them.

      • Meccalopolis

        inch of simple syrup add mint leaves, mull, add bourbon and ice, spritz of soda. ex-NOLA bartender

        • LaylaOhGee

          Isn’t there something about a silver cup?

          • Meccalopolis

            you could strain, we always left the mint at the bottom of the glass at the french market

      • Billy Rubin

        It’s a mojito, but with bourbon instead of rum. There, I said it.

  • VandeGraf

    Graham cannot be elected as president when he is a closet traitor, faithful to the confederate flag. He should be investigated as possibly supporting treason.

    • Biff52

      Never know what might turn up in that closet!

      • Celtic_Gnome

        But that won’t stop us from imagining.

      • Billy Rubin

        Oh, I can make an educated guess…

    • Mehmeisterjr

      It’s unfair to call him a closet traitor. Throughout his political career, he has been consistently, steadfastly true to the closet.

  • Fitzgerald Chesterfield

    “150 years after the Civil War, the time has come.”
    What, is she trying to start a race war, or something?

    • Biff52

      Too soon!

  • Callyson

    This calls for a classic:

    • bluejayray

      I like it. But is it septic safe?

      • guppy06

        These colors do run!

    • Gleem-McShinez

      THE SOUTH SHALL BE WIPED AGAIN

      (Missed a little last time)

  • JoeChristmas

    Hello people, this “shooting” was clearly a false flag operation to infringe on our 1st and 2nd Amendment rights as well as our proud southern heritage.

    • sundaytrucker

      Another well planned distraction by Obama to keep us from ever knowing the truth about Benghazi.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Dang, that guy is so sneaky!

        • bluejayray

          Well, when you have your own time machine…

      • bluejayray

        He’s now in collusion with Hillary so that they can keep the Kenyan anticolonialism agenda in place.

      • Amy!

        It’s not so much about Benghazi; he figures that one is Hillary’s problem, now.

        No, there was all that attention recently on the unconstitutional tyrannical attempt to overthrow the governments of southwestern states and bring in Chinese slave laborers to undercut Wal-Mart’s prices. The sort of thing only a weak president would do! And when the brave patriots stood up against him, in advance, he stealthily set up this DISTRACTION in Charleston, the greatest False Flag of all because it depends upon the True Flag of Loyalty! And he’s going to get away with it, unless All Good Meramicans stand up to his spineless tyranny! Sheep up, wakle!

  • SK

    Which state is the odds-on favorite to restore flying of the Confederate flag at their Capitol?

    I’m betting on Tejas.

    • OneYieldRegular

      Wisconsin?

      • bobbert

        I’ll go home and shoot somebody.

    • guppy06

      Mississippi.

      I mean, did you really have to ask?

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Well, it’s about fucking time, but I, for one, am not about to let these assholes forget that in the immediate wake of the shooting they acted like Ted Nugent at an induction center.

    • DemmeFatale

      And they sure embodied that southern stereotype that they always like to say is untrue.
      (Blah-dee-blah…ignorant redneck bigots.)

  • cousin itt

    False flag.

    • Treg Brown

      I’m all for leaving the last confederate flag up.

    • bluejayray

      Speaking of false flags, I haven’t heard Alex Jones spewing yet…

  • OneYieldRegular

    Even Ronald “Where’s the rest of me?” Reagan recognized that the Berlin Wall was a divisive symbol that needed to be removed. So I’m glad that Governor Haley has finally come to understand that “Ms. Haley: Tear down this flag” isn’t just a rhetorical Internet meme.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Der Mauer came down all across Berlin, but one segment of it was preserved, as a memorial.

      The old Innerdeutsche Grenze is now mostly a wildlife preserve, because for so many years there was next to no human presence along most of it which was good for wildlife. Also true of the DMZ in Korea.

      • bluejayray

        Interesting!

  • Beaumarchais?

    Dang! I was looking forward to the boycott.

    • Boycott still on….because, South Carolina obvs.

      • OneYieldRegular

        and because they still don’t get it – they’ll remove the flag from the state capitol but proudly embrace it everywhere else.

        • So true. It’s remarkable the number of confederate flags defiantly being flown in front of homes in rural NC over the weekend.

          And NC is supposed to be the “good” Carolina.

          Oy.

          • BackDoorMan

            … apparently Confederate (Dixie Swastika) Flags and moronabilia is flying off the shelves at MalWarts and Amazon.com since they decided to pick a side on this “issue.” I expect an underground economy, or at least a cottage industry to pick up the slack. Yeah, Etsy and eBay, I’m lookin’ at you.

  • bikerlaureate

    Walker held off on announcing his stance in order to support… the governor of another state. That’s principled courage that only the dumbest Badgers can believe in

  • OneYieldRegular

    Real believers in “Southern Heritage” know that the polite thing to do is to take that flag down everywhere, not just from the SC state capitol. There. That’s bettah. Now why donch’ya’ll come in heah and have some iced tea?

  • Bitter Scribe

    Profiles in Courage, modern Republican edition.

    • Justice in the New Old South Carolina:

      • bluejayray

        Well, I guess it’s a step up–or sideways–from the One Drop rule.

      • DarkSyn

        Ha ha! Wow! That’s good!

  • geoffalnutt

    “Well, kick me in the truck nuts. It’s tam that the South rises agin! No one fucks with our flag. I reckon we can lick ’em this tam. We got Jeebus on our sad.” Bring it.

  • cousin itt

    This announcement should reverse the flagging support for the SC governor.

    • Enfant Terrible

      ISWYDT.

      • bluejayray

        It’s pretty darn punny, that’s for sure.

    • riledupone

      A banner day, to be sure.

    • Mehmeisterjr

      This comment sets a new standard.

  • rocktonsam

    so the jig is up then…
    and scott walker has denounced the confederate flag also too

    • bluejayray

      I haven’t heard The Donald weigh in yet. His opinion carries more weight of course, because after all, he’s really RICH…

      • Good_Gawd_Yall

        Every time he said, “I’m really rich,” what I heard was, “I have a really tiny dick.”

        • Villago Delenda Est

          “And there’s something living on my head!”

          • riledupone

            No, there’s something dead on his head.

        • bluejayray

          That and “I really only have one hair, but it’s really really long–and I’m really rich”. He is such a buffoon–but he’ll poll well enough to waste a lot of time.

        • BackDoorMan

          … one of my smarter relatives (shut up! there were a few!) told me… “anyone who is truly rich doesn’t go around bragging about it.” That was one of the problems during the ascent of The Gilded Age in Aristocratic Europe – “the nouveau riche” as they were disparagingly referred to at the time. Any garish display of wealth or boorish bragging was considered “declasse”, which as it turns out, is a perfect description of Trumpty Dumpty. Oh, and Old Money probably made jokes about small dicks too because, you know… we’ve always been like that.

  • Rocky

    I watched her speak. Very nice words from the Gov.

    (who the fuck was cutting all those onions??)

  • JohnR

    How brave of them to wait for the polling to come in before deciding to take a stand on the sane side of decency.

    • BackDoorMan

      … yes, but that doesn’t always work… I’m thinking of polls that indicate the majority are in favour of SSM, and against TPP/Fast Track, to name the first two examples that come to mind. Other learned Wonketteers can probably name a few others. I’m also, too thinking that once again, their Corporate Handlers are telling them what to do. I’m pretty sure IBM (among others) have been on the phone to their duly-purchased representatives.

      • JohnR

        They still have to worry about that base of their’s to get through primaries, but I do agree corporations are getting skittish, look how some pushed back against the religious freedom to discriminate laws and the way advertisers ran from the Duggerers, now the retailers are running from the loser flag.

  • Rocky

    Wow, just imagine the grand mal seizure from the talking heads if a beautiful and colourful crowd burned a confederate flag on Castro and Market!

  • Toomush_Infer

    When pissing off women, gays, poor folks, scientists, messicans, blahs, frenchies, assians, tree-huggers, green folks, and other liebruls, just isn’t enough….

  • Mavenmaven

    They’ll trade you removing one confederate flag for discussion of gun control.

    • celtic_buddha

      I am glad to see that someone else has noticed that the real discussion got derailed.

      • Blank Ron

        I assumed that was the point.

        • 24601

          Guns don’t kill people. Flags do.

      • HogeyeGrex

        SQUIRREL!!!

        • celtic_buddha

          GAME OF THRONES!!!

    • celtic_buddha

      I am glad to see that someone else has noticed that the real discussion got derailed.

  • smut clyde

    the flag will always be a part of the soil of South Carolina
    So will possum shit.

    • Metadude

      You know what else is in the SC soil? Hundreds of years worth of human shit, because these fuckers didn’t have the sense to create a system for waste disposal. Many people succumbed to ringworm, which made one low-energy and passive. This pretty much defines Southern culture. And JD Rockefeller, in one of his glorious naive gestures, tried to ameliorate the situation by funding indoor plumbing. This was in the 20th century.

  • Adrian

    The Confederate flag came unhinged and now it’s Gone with the wind …

    • bluejayray

      It’d be fun if some genius could figure out how to sneak the flag off the pole over night. Or is it possible to douse it with an accelerant from the ground and then ignite it with a flaming arrow?

      • Villago Delenda Est

        The one on the SC statehouse grounds is guarded 24/7 by a state trooper, and it’s got all sorts of hardware security on it. It can’t be lowered legally without the approval of the SC legislature.

        • Jen_Baker_VA

          Funny enough, the actual flag of the actual country in which they live has no such protections

          • HogeyeGrex

            This.

        • Biff52

          Makes me wonder if said troopers consider it gravy duty or punishment.

          • Villago Delenda Est

            Guard duty sucks, in general. I don’t know of any soldier who ever enjoyed pulling guard duty.

        • HogeyeGrex

          Sounds like a job for one of those R/C quadracopters.

        • bobbert

          So, a couple bricks of C4 at the base of the pole? And, you’d have to draw the state trooper away, of course.

        • bluejayray

          Well, I wasn’t thinking about the legal aspect…

    • bluejayray

      It’d be fun if some genius could figure out how to sneak the flag off the pole over night. Or is it possible to douse it with an accelerant from the ground and then ignite it with a flaming arrow?

    • Celtic_Gnome

      I like how they wrote the law that it could never fly at anything other than full mast and attached it to the flagpole in such a way that it couldn’t be taken down. Scratch a RWNJ and you’ll find a coward every time.

  • D_C_Wilson

    If they’re going to take the flag down, then make some money off of this historic event. Auction off the right to wipe one’s ass with it before it’s permanently retired.

    Btw, next question for republicans, should Mississippi have to change their state flag, because, come on!

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Flag_of_Mississippi.svg/2000px-Flag_of_Mississippi.svg.png

    • bluejayray

      Yes, they should.

    • IT’S THAT MOTHERFUCKER

      DID YOU KNOW DOCTOR ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM USED TO GET FUCKED UP THE ASS BY A HORSE WHILE THE CONFEDERATE FLAG WAS FLYING HIGH ABOVE??? WHAT DOES THIS SAY ABOUT OUR DEAR DOCTOR???? HMMMMMM

      https://youtu.be/i7LXX8cfcVA

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Ah, dickweed is back. Comment flagged.

        • IT’S THAT MOTHERFUCKER

          DON’T WORRY; WE’RE FLAGGING YOU TOO!!! ALL DAY EVERY DAY

          https://youtu.be/Bs083FSWdQ4

          • Jen_Baker_VA

            Dude, therapy. Or rehab, whichever you need more at the moment.

      • Biff52

        Oh for fuck’s sake! You’re persistent, I’ll give you that!

        • Gleem-McShinez

          Diagnosis: Tourette Syndrome (4chan edition)

      • what that says is you have neither wit nor much intelligence.

        rudesby begone.

        • Celtic_Gnome

          I missed it before the banhammer. Was that the all caps brony guy with the Dok Zoom hard-on?

          • Villago Delenda Est

            Yurp.

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      half confederate, half french?
      So they are treasonous cheese eating surrender monkeys down there in MS?

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Hmm…French is vertical stripes, not horizontal. On the other hand, perhaps they’re inverted Dutch?

        • Jen_Baker_VA

          pft, you and your facty facts. And that I know jack about flags.
          Ok, so, erm treasonous upside down chocolate eating windmill jockies?

          • bobbert

            It’s a Lee battle ensign embedded in a CSA flag.

            Fuck them.

    • DarkSyn

      Mississippi is laying low, hoping no one will notice. Shhh.

      • SK

        No one’s noticing. Because, FFS, it’s Mississippi.

        • DarkSyn

          Poor Mississippi, it’s already being noticed. Too late, tsk tsk.

      • TootsStansbury

        Mississippi Goddamn!

    • guppy06

      Are you really prepared to live in a world where Mississippi isn’t bass-ackwards?

      • D_C_Wilson

        It’s going to take more than a change in the state flag for that to happen.

        • guppy06

          OK, then a world where Mississippi isn’t completely bass-ackwards.

          • D_C_Wilson

            I could live with that.

    • Spotts1701
    • Blank Ron

      Is that a flag or a third-grade project made with magazine pictures and construction paper?

    • bobbert

      No. They should be ejected from the Union. Have a nice time.

  • actor212

    Tell you what, South: you can fly the Confederate flag so long as you put up an NWA flag right next to it, at equal height.

  • actor212

    Haley also said “the flag will always be a part of the soil of South Carolina”

    SO BURY THE MOTHERFUCKER, YOU MORON!

    • bluejayray

      Burn it, then bury it. But not where you ever want anything to grow.

  • Joshua Norton

    Descrimination: The past is past. Let it go.
    Confederate Flag: It’s our duty to keep the past alive.

  • docterry6973

    Rino, each and every one of them.

    • bluejayray

      I keep remembering how the GOPTP are always braying about how Lincoln was a Republican and freed the slaves…My how they’ve changed.

  • docterry6973

    But South Carolina cops can still shoot black people in the back, right? Let’s not go crazy here.

  • Joshua Norton

    Jeb is now perpetually terrified of giving the wrong answer to simple questions.

    All those rumors of him being the “smarter brother” appear to have been just that. Rumors.

    • bluejayray

      The Bush family’s awful secret is that there IS no smarter brother. There are, however, two more brothers just waiting in the wings and trying to keep their noses clean.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Neil failed that standard oh about 25 years ago. Silverado Savings and all that.

        • ryp

          Don’t forget the Thai hookers and educational software scams.

          • Villago Delenda Est

            “I swear, I didn’t know they were hookers! I thought they were hospitality representatives!”

          • ryp

            “I didn’t know the customs of these people and didn’t want to insult anyone”

          • Villago Delenda Est

            “A little lower…now a little more suction…I’m not insulting your culture am I? Good, glad we cleared that up…”

          • bobbert

            I was know that guy.

        • bluejayray

          Seems to me that Marvin is selling arms to all the countries in the middle east or some such.

      • Celtic_Gnome

        Don’t forget Jar Jar. He’s rapidly turning out to be the smart one.

    • Ranina

      “Karl, I guess I need your help after all. But I still won’t call you Turdblossom.” -Jeb!

    • Snopes Shop

      He’s just the meaner one, so he seemed smarter.

  • Adrian

    Mitt appears to be their leader now.

  • BeliTsari

    Whatever will the Republicans use then? Is the swastika free, in the public domain yet?

    • DarkSyn

      Some of them already use that.

    • guppy06

      And then they fucked a babby was formed.

      • BeliTsari

        I know, I KNOW… and they called her Nancy Davis and she was the blowjob queen of ALL Hollywood… then, one fine day, eons and eons later…

    • Mehmeisterjr

      If it’s not in the public domain, the RNC will be hearing from Hitler’s lawyers.

      • BeliTsari

        Wouldn’t that be a conflict of interest? I’d thought Robert Welch & Fred Koch hired them all, fresh off of the U Boat & being vampires, were only just getting started with us?

  • bluejayray

    No CEO ever complained to her about it. Well then, that should settle the matter…

  • Jen_Baker_VA

    It will be fitting that our state capitol will soon fly the flag of our country and our state, and no others.

    Damn straight. Even the most racist of these mo fo’s have to see that the flag of a people who declared war on your country does not belong on a government building
    *flips tables* OHHHhhh and Lindsay hinted at CNN that it was all his whispering behind the scenes that brought the change of heart. Well, bless him eh!

    • Villago Delenda Est

      “Y’all are giving my Presidential campaign the vapors with all this battle flag fooforah, I might have to use my fainting couch. Please, lil’ chilren, don’t make that necessary!”

      • Jen_Baker_VA

        that made me snort my tea. Damn you. And tea, damn tea too

      • Enfant Terrible

        “fooforah” win.

    • MrBlobfish

      I thought that there was bipartisan support for flying the battle flag?

  • nightmoth

    Even “Saint” Robert E. Lee himself told Southerners to retire the flag because it was a symbol of strife. He left instructions that at his funeral no one was to show the Rebel flag or wear the Confederate uniform. Oh, well. Southerners have long been masters of history revisionism. The ones I know who still yap about “heritage” could have taught Stalin a thing or two. I’m glad that a few of the GOP are willing to break with their base and belatedly do the right thing. Maybe it will be safe for Republicans to be actual conservatives again instead of irrational lying RWNJs pandering to domestic terrorists.

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      naw they are still pandering. They saw the amount of white people down there holding up signs and went holy shit, it’s not just the blahs mad anymore? Better scramble!
      Plus, it distracts from the gun issue sorta like how they are hoping the gay marriage thing will distract from the aca issue
      It is all gonna bite them on the ass, but then they can just blame Obama and everything will be magically all right again

      • DarkSyn

        Plus the flag issue distracts from the guns issue. Win/win.

        • Jen_Baker_VA

          a yep, we are being thrown a bone, and like good little compromisers, taking it.
          So, we take it, and tomorrow (morning, not a long time from now) we go after the gun control and win that too :)

          • Blank Ron

            ‘No fair! You were supposed to forget about that!’

      • SK

        Here’s someone whose First Amendment rights were violated.

        Bet he gets elected to political office.

    • General Lee was one of the few grownups on the Confederate team. When some of his men wanted to carry on guerilla warfare at Appomattox, he pointed out that this would mean stealing from and killing the very white farmers they were supposed to defend, and added: “You young men can go bushwhacking if you want, but I’m going to down the hill to beg General Grant for mercy.”

      • willi0000000

        and mercy is exactly what he got . . . what other winning side in a war ever gave surrender terms like “just cut it out and go home”

        • bobbert

          Well, that was a little bit like us after WW2, except for the “We’re gonna keep an eye on you” part.

  • deanbooth

    Conservatives, you have been shown wrong yet again. Maybe it’s time to reconsider.

    • Reconsider, hell!

    • MrBlobfish

      Wrong today. Wrong tomorrow. Wrong forever.

      • Rotisserie Teal

        ISWYDT Mr. Blobfish, very nice.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    Ted Nugent can make another shirt out of it.

    • Vecciojohn

      Get him a big one and he can make a diaper to match.

  • SK

    Finally! Eric son of Erick becomes the one to find the root cause: Caitlyn Jenner, elected representative of transgenders

    OK, who had Eric in the office pool?

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      Too many pop ups. I did note that the sign up for his pop up ad is something about daily show lol
      cause liberals are dumb and might fall for that

  • Obot 50549535

    Has it really been 150 years already? Where does the time go…

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Good times….

  • Biff52

    It’s a no-brainer, really. Give up a flag (but only on gummint property, I can still fly it on mah truck!), keep mah gunz? YeeHaw!

  • Wombat

    Someone told me today, in all seriousness, that the Civil War was caused by taxation without representation. And that any fifth grader would know it wasn’t about slavery. Nope. Not even a little.

    You know that head twist your dog makes when you say something to it that is completely incomprehensible and weird and sounds totally bizarre? That’s what I did. And then I made this face :|

    And then I discussed representation in the House, Senate, and WH in the years leading up to the Cvil War. Then, I laid down the declarations of secession for several of the states, all of which suggested that probably that wasn’t really the issue. For this, I got called a big meanie and a jerk and a person who had no idea.

    Sigh.

    Someone pass the wine.

    • Donna Rail

      I find diphenhydramine helps.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      The various documents that survive from the time as each of the Confederate states seceded make it VERY clear why they were doing so, and first and foremost among the reasons was the survival of the “peculiar institution”.

      • Wombat

        I know, right? Like why is this even a question?

        Unless…You guys! Do you think maybe people aren’t really reading those things and haven’t really bothered to find out much about the actual history instead of the fictionalized Gone With the Wind crap? That couldn’t be it, could it?

        Also, my primary sources and a friend’s quoting of a renowned Civil War hsitorian was met with an op-ed from the SCV talking about how the Confederate Army totally had black friends and the flag doesn’t represent hate AT ALL, SO THERE.

        • Anarchy Pony

          Not hate, just subjugation.

          • Blank Ron

            Yup. The hate only started when they had to be called ‘people.’

    • Vecciojohn

      With stupidity, the gods themselves etc.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      A big meanie and a jerk? Wow! You must have really hit a nerve there.

    • georgiaburning

      I’ve seen the “tariffs” argument before, and it looks like something cooked up to hide the barefaced facts written in the states’ secession resolutions and speeches made at the time by the Confederate leaders. South Carolina had tried to nullify a tariff act passed in 1832. But they were kicked hard in the butt by Andrew Jackson who got authorization from Congress to send in Federal troops to block SC’s attempt to nullify Federal law. Again, this “Nullification Crisis” happened in 1833, not 1861. Jackson isn’t an attractive figure by 21st century lights, but he did believe in the preservation of the Union.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Right around an hour after Lee surrendered to Grant, the revisionist history started to be cooked up.

        • georgiaburning

          That old line about history being written by the winners? The US Civil War was one big exception.

      • Zippy

        Yup, Calhoun quit as Jackson’s VP to become a Senator so he could push for nullification and Congress passed a bill saying Jackson was authorized to use the US military to inform South Carolina that they could pound sand if they didn’t rescind their silly nullification bill

      • Unforgotten

        Andrew Jackson does not deserve to be on any bill or stamp for a lot of reasons.

        But how he handled the ‘Nullification Crisis’ is not one of them.

        As for the ‘tariffs’ thing, every time any of you hear an idiot talking about it, ask him/her to google ‘Cornerstone Speech/Address’.

        As a matter of fact there are a few words about ‘tariffs/taxes’ in it, but never as a main issue (more like an ‘and on top of that…’ kind of thing).

        Or read de declarations of secession of every state that did so, Mississipi (for example) states:

        ‘Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery– the greatest material interest of the world.’

        ‘A blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization’

        ‘It is not a matter of choice, but of necessity. We must either submit to degradation, and to the loss of property worth four billions of money, or we must secede from the Union framed by our fathers, to secure this as well as every other species of property.’

    • AngryKatie

      I went to a Civil War “museum” in Mississippi once when visiting family there.

      I recommend you take a valium before entering, and for the love of god, have someone with you that you can exchange meaningful/incredulous looks with, and recognize that even with precautions you’ll hit a point where you lose it.

      For me it was the exhibit about how the slaves wished they’d never been freed because things were way way better for them when they were slaves and all of their needs were taken care of by the kind hearted white families that just wanted the best for them. Apparently my reaction was horribly embarrassing to my grandmother, I suspect because that’s the point where my muttered obscenities stopped being so much muttered as kinda shouty.

      • Wombat

        I just did that thing with my head agin reading that. Forget wine. I’m going to have break out the hard stuff.

    • guppy06

      Someone told me today, in all seriousness, that the Civil War was caused by taxation without representation.

      It was! Slaveowners had to pay a 3/5ths federal tax on their slaves even though their slaves couldn’t vote!

    • HogeyeGrex

      But… but… Teach The Controversy!!!! I’m sure this person has a strongly held belief on the subject, and that means they are just as right as someone else who might be, well, right.

      I blame the media.

    • toomanyrappers

      *dats boxed wine in dem der parts

  • Me not sure

    After all of the accusations against this president by these Republican jackasses of “leading from behind” its good to see what that really means by their cowardly examples. Recently ,automakers Mercedes Benz and Volvo announced plans to build plants in SC. I wonder how they feel about being in a state that flies that flag over it’s capitol? It might be a good idea to urge them to rethink their plans if that flag is not taken down. E-mail campaign anyone?

  • Donna Rail

    Haley also said “the flag will always be a part of the soil of South Carolina.”

    Yes, it should be part of the soil. Under it.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    Gonna be some serious trailer park moaning and gnashing of teeth.

    • Gleem-McShinez

      Gonna be some serious trailer park moaning and gnashing of teeth tooth.

      FTFY

      • toomanyrappers

        Kid Rock must be pissed. :)

    • CBloom

      You have no idea! I accidentally read the comments on Yahoo. I don’t recommend it.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Thanks, I’ll take your advice. Maybe they should pronounce in yay-hoo.

  • Gleem-McShinez

    “the flag will always be a part of the boil on South Carolina”

    There, fixed those typos

    • Vecciojohn

      And SC will always be the boil on on the ass of the Union.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Texas, Arkansas, Kansas, Arizona, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Florida, Wisconsin, and Maine LIBELZ!

        Poor Wisconsin and Maine…tossed in with all those Southern type states (Arizona was Confederate inclined as a territory). If you guys had given Walker and LePage the heave ho last election, you wouldn’t be included…

        • Vecciojohn

          “Hey, Michigan is at least as fucked up as we are.” – Wisconsin and Maine

          • Ranina

            Not yet, but we’re getting there.

        • Zippy

          AZ only had one real battle during the Civil war- at Picacho Peak, when a union cavalry patrol and confederate pickets from a force that had briefly occupied Tucson ran into each other. It was technically the westernmost battle fought in the Civil war

        • pstockholm

          Union thugs.

  • Vecciojohn

    The South, like Jefferson Davis’s pecker, will not rise again, traitors.

    Now go home and get your fuckin’ box!

    • Jeff Davis died of old age at liberty, only doing a couple of years in the slammer. Abe Lincoln got a bullet to the brain. There’s no justice.

      • bobbert

        FWIW, some of us old fuckers think of Abe as a stalwart and thoughtful figure of great historical importance, and of Jeff as a failed student council wannabe.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Ruh-roh! This means they’re slowly beginning to grasp that the white-trash, redneck teabagger vote isn’t going to be enough to get them elected. I liked it better when they were pandering to them.

  • MrBlobfish

    Unfortunately, that pickup picture can be from a lot of places in NJ.

  • Celtic_Gnome

    And the streets named after confederate generals. Don’t forget those. It’s not like you can drive down Aaron Burr Avenue anywhere in the country.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Well, there are a whole bunch of military posts named for Confederate generals, we might have to rethink that, too.

      • Steverino247

        Except that now many have really weird hyphenated names because of the “Joint Base” bullshit.

        • badphairy

          Waiting for Joint Base Lee-Loo.

    • Vienna Woods
    • Unforgotten

      The other day I download a comics from the site ‘Digital Comics Museum’ (lots of free fun stuff), it was a ‘True Comics’ magazine (or the likes), which showed to kids of back then (early to mid-40’s) biographies, obscure or important passages of World & American History, etc…
      It was a funny magazine… and then there was a biography of Jeff Davis and the struggle to keep the CSA existing and how he was a great (and unsung?) statesman because of that…

    • Mehmeisterjr

      Good point. There can’t be many Benedict Arnold Boulevards.

      • Vienna Woods

        But, oddly enough, a motel named after him in Quebec. The owners were grateful to him for trying to conquer Quebec? Or failing?

    • badphairy

      He did get a nifty milk commercial, however.

  • Vecciojohn

    Yes, they’ve finally figured out that the world is looking at them like they just took a shit in the punch bowl and, to their astonishment, some people are offended! Who knew, right?

    • Mehmeisterjr

      Shit in the punch bowl is a divisive issue. For some it represents tradition and pride. To others, it stands for a lack of basic sanitation. It is up to the people of South Carolina to decide for themselves which interpretation they prefer. On second thought, no get rid of that turd. Pretty please, if it’s OK with y’all.

      • HogeyeGrex

        Both Sides Do It! See? There was that time when the north decided to put in indoor plumbing and everybody shit in the bowl. Okay, it was a toilet bowl, not a punch bowl, but still. Both Sides Do It!

  • JohnR

    I envision the occupants of the clown bus standing around the “loser flag” holding a finger aloft trying to tell which way the wind is blowing.

  • bargal20

    Who cares about those people? I wanna hear what Cooter from “The Dukes of Hazzard” has to say about it. Dem Duke Boys loved them some Confederate Flag, and they had a black friend in at least two episodes, so how can it be racist?

    • Incoming Ham

      Now a (former) Congressman in Georgia. Might be open to questions.

  • georgiaburning

    Funny how the Repubs get all tongue-tied about removing a symbol of a treasonous movement that was defeated 150 years ago. You expect them to deal with somebody like Putin in 2017?

    • TootsStansbury

      They love them some manly Putun. It’s what they crave.

      • Mehmeisterjr

        If any of them ever got into the White House, they’d get more of manly ol’ Pootsi than they would know how to handle.

      • Incoming Ham

        Well, he is currently seeing Greece, so they may need to wait to get a piece of that cheesecake.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Putin could make that argument with a little bit of historical accuracy. Of course, the entire history of Russia as a state, be it under tsar, commisar, or kelptocrat, is one of expansion and conquest, of “Russification” of the locals, regardless of their actual ethnicity.

      • Helena Handbag

        Kelptocracy: rule by seaweed.
        (sorry couldn’t help myself) Now you can’t edit.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          Kleptocrat, Kelptocrat, it’s all more or less the same stinkin’ thing! :P

          • vivian

            Japan is actually a Kelptocracy. With affordable healthcare and a strong middle class. I’m voting for the Kelp candidate!

        • Left Coast Tom

          Sea otters live under a kelptocracy.

          • Mehmeisterjr

            See, we’d rather not read any puns.

          • BloviateMe

            Brilliant.

          • pstockholm

            Nori-ly

      • r m reddicks

        No Putin. He didn’t do it . Whatever Bams said he did. No Russia. No matter the bams. I have a feeling this one won’t go over well. I also don’t give a shit if it doesn’t.

        • r m reddicks

          Well, I can understand the cheesecake.

  • TootsStansbury

    I am baffled at the scoot back from admitting actual racism is alive and well. No, wait a minute; I m not. Remove that Dixie flag! None of the other stuff like unfettered access to guns matters.

    • riledupone

      A commenter on Daily Kos has coined the term “Dixie Swastika” for the flag.

      • bobbert

        And I, for one, plan to use it a lot.

    • ibwilliamsi

      It’s only those racists who think that the stars and bars are racist who are racists. Everyone else is ok with that, mmkay?

    • HogeyeGrex

      Remove that Dixie flag!

      Made me think of this old bit of brilliance.

      “Told you so.”

      • badphairy

        I am so savoring this.

  • amindofitsown

    Yes, let’s celebrate our long, rich history of treason over the rights to enslave human beings.

    Southern Pride!!1!1!1!

    • OrdinaryJoe

      What pride? Could never understand that. Their ancestors were double L losers and capital T traitors. Got their cracker asses handed to them in the end. Bunch of Yankee boys came through with General Billy S and tore the hell out of the freakin’ place and the pride of southern manhood couldn’t do anything to stop them. So where is there pride in that, unless you somehow can feel pride for dying for just about the worst cause ever used in human history to justify starting a war.

      • r m reddicks

        that pride

      • janecita

        They’re the worst kind of losers, they are the “we are winners” kind.

      • Unforgotten

        You forgot the C of coward for not standing for their OWN WORDS about why they started it all… and blame it on ‘states rights’, ‘taxes’ and other bull****.
        I mean, honestly, it’s not like they were Etruscan speakers that wrote down every word they said in public or private in Mayan hierogliphs. They left tons of words explaining the whys and hows, and it was all about Calhoun’s ‘positive good’… until they lost the war and THEN it became ‘states rights’…

        • HogeyeGrex

          THEN it became ‘states rights’…

          To which my favorite reply is “A State’s right to do what, exactly?”

          • Vienna Woods

            Exactly.

      • ibwilliamsi

        They were ahead for a while, then they had pride, and then they ended up with reconstruction, which they never quite took to.

      • Amy!

        Sherman is sort of the North’s answer to Cantrell’s Raiders, and others.

        “Hey, boys. You wanna see how pillage is done? Here’s a lesson. It isn’t going to do you any good, but this is one of the two things that’s gonna end this goddam war, and you … you lose.”

        It’s hard for me to respect Sherman, because he was pretty much all about breaking all the laws of war (whatever credence you give to them, lip service means that the civilians die … less). But … in that particular case, the fundamental brutality and revenge worked, and in the end perhaps even saved lives. No, it certainly saved lives. I just wish that there were a better way.

        • Unforgotten

          ‘You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth — right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with. At first you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, shut out from the markets of Europe as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. If your people will but stop and think, they must see in the end that you will surely fail.’

          Sherman, in 1860!

          ‘All the powers of earth cannot restore to them their slaves, any more than their dead grandfathers. Next year their lands will be taken, for in war we can take them, and rightfully, too, and in another year they may beg in vain for their lives. A people who will persevere in war beyond a certain limit ought to know the consequences. Many, many peoples with less pertinacity have been wiped out of national existence.’

          Sherman, at Vicksburg, 1864.

          • Dee Andee

            Wow…I’m getting why my great-great-grandfather was named for this guy. He wasn’t just a fighter, he had a brain.

          • bobbert

            When the dude said “War is hell”, I don’t think he meant it as a metaphor.

        • Steverino247

          The laws of war were very different then. Prisoner exchanges and paroles were common and certain other acts were not covered at all.

      • Solipsister

        I found the records of one of my gpas filing for the Feds to pay him back for the “roan horse” and “200 bushels of corn” that Uncle Billy’s men, erm, appropriated. There were all kinds of witness statements, Feds took this shit post-war claims seriously. In the end, because he worked on the Confed railways, even if he didn’t fight, he provided material support for the Rebels. So no. You lose, Gpa. I felt sorry for him, trying so earnestly, thinking he’d kept himself out of the fighting, dirt poor and just wanting 5 yrs later to get a little somethin’ for his dang horse. But no. War sucks, wrong side, coulda made different choices, etc. Still, glad he lived to 92 and procreated. Don’human. pror jthBut

  • weejee

    That the Replicans are maybe, perhaps thinking that maybe, just maybe, some people might not look on the stars and bars as a symbol of faded Southern glory is just klantastic.

    dafuq…

    • cousin itt

      Well, this should be a blow to ah, erm, something or um, someone.

      Definitely a blow, though.

    • Jared James

      Up with this sort of thing.

    • Walter Wellstone

      Fabulous, darling!

  • guppy06

    And kudos to Reince Priebus for getting all these candidates together for a screaming match conference call so fast!

    • Mehmeisterjr

      Any chance of getting Judge Roy Moore to run a third-party campaign against whichever of these luckless humps gets the nomination? It would be worth it just to see the various shades of green on Reince Priebus’s face.

  • Joshua Norton

    Next stop on the “Blame Something Else” Racist Tour: Rap music

  • Joshua Norton

    Next stop on the “Blame Something Else” Racist Tour: Rap music

  • malsperanza

    Can we really say that their positions have “evolved” when not one of these fuckwads is willing to accept the concept of evolution?

    More likely, they simply woke up and smelled the Cross bacon burning.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      It was their crusts.

    • Biff52

      They must watch Hannibal, too!

      • weejee

        Well he took some elephants skiing in the Alps. Oh, you mean…

        • cousin itt

          Precisely.

  • Mehmeisterjr

    And now Walmart is discontinuing sales of Stars ‘n’ Bars flags and regalia. Walmart! Can you imagine the ripple effect on the Chinese economy? I bet they’re fixing to take away guns from the Chinese. FREEDUMBBBBB!!!,1,111!!1!1!

    • Amy!

      These people know nothing of Monty Python’s work.

      One, two, five.

      Three, sir.

      Three!

      • Anarchy Pony

        Five is right out!

        • badphairy

          This is getting very silly.

      • bobbert

        Steven Sondheim: “One Two Twelve Eight”

      • Lord-Nash

        It’s the bible belt, so why wouldn’t they know the book of armaments?

    • HogeyeGrex

      Walmart is discontinuing sales of Stars ‘n’ Bars flags and regalia.

      Guns still available, no doubt. Priorities.

      FFS.

  • sillyclucker

    I really don’t know what to think until I hear what $arah! has to say.

    • Left Coast Tom

      So you’ll be replying to these posts four months after the fact?

      • sillyclucker

        Haha! Yeah, something like that.

    • Mehmeisterjr

      We haven’t heard the last of Sarah Palin. Well, actually we have heard the last of Sarah Palin if we are paying for her shitty video “channel.”

  • Rick Hill

    In a year, on the campaign trail, in front of a more Northern audience, the gop’s candidate will proclaim: “Remember the confederate flag in SC? Remember how Democrats put up a fuss when republicans braved the wrath of the NCAA, Al Sharpton, unions, and feminists when they insisted the flag come down? Yeah. That was us and that was the kind of leadership the UnitedStatesneedsright now!!!!”

  • FUN FACT: A favorite photo op in Montgomery, Alabama:

    • nmmagyar

      At least she’s on top?

      • Left Coast Tom

        …and has a higher score?

    • Spurning Beer

      I went to high school in Montgomery in the late ’60s. They built a new high school in the whitest part of town, the first to be air conditioned (amazingly). They named it for Jefferson Davis. (The other two white high schools were named for Robert E. Lee and southern poet Sidney Lanier.) Funny thing, though, school desegregation occurred in the meanwhile. The two black high schools were closed, and suddenly there were large numbers of black students in the new showcase school.

        • cousin itt

          I visited the school’s website. A part of me can not believe such a place exists in 2015.

          It broke my heart.

          • Spurning Beer

            I know. Talk about white flight!

            White Montgomery moved further east after I graduated and got the fuck out of Alabama.

        • Spurning Beer

          I LOVE me some irony. At about 7:00: “That butt, that butt, that big ole big old butt!”

          Principal Rutland must be spinning in his tacky ass grave. If he’s dead, I mean.

          • I lived and taught in Montgomery late 80s/early 90s. Lee and Davis were well integrated during that time.

            Sometime starting in the late 90s there was a massive ‘White Flight’ apparently and now both schools are almost exclusively black. No idea where all the white folk went.

            FUN FACT: I was once seriously and gravely informed by a “very well known and respected” retired Montgomery teacher that I was allowing “too many blacks” into my program.

      • IndianaKevin

        The Air Force transferred me to Montgomery in 1987. We found a house to buy and after we moved in, a next-door neighbor stopped by to say hello. During that initial conversation, he proudly proclaimed our neighborhood was the last one in the city to remain segregated.

        I felt as if I had stepped in a pile of shit.

        Later, when I suggested to a black co-worker that he come over some time to drink a few beers, he replied that he didn’t want to risk being in my neighborhood after dark.

        The stepped-in-shit feeling returned.

        • Lord-Nash

          I grew up in the south. The most astounding thing about racists is that they don’t have the ability to comprehend there are people who aren’t racist. And that shit always comes out when no one else is around.

        • Lord-Nash

          I grew up in the south. The most astounding thing about racists is that they don’t have the ability to comprehend there are people who aren’t racist. And that shit always comes out when no one else is around.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Did they disable the air conditioning when the black students arrived?

  • Enfant Terrible

    My well of snark is dry. Nikki Haley and the SC Legislature get to play Androcles and the Lion, pull the thorn from the paw, and relieve some pain. I hope these Republican candidates and elected officials notice how good it feels to do the right thing and that it becomes a habit.

    • Mehmeisterjr

      Haley has barely pulled that thorn out of the paw. Now the 2/3 rule will keep it as a deeply embedded and suppurating wound. Much like the Civil War.

  • Walter Wellstone

    Hypocrisy is a bitch. Why is it so easy for some people to be fuzzy about these things? Why come up with shades of gray on issues as clear as this one? Why ethically bankrupt people like Lindsey Graham, who lacks the courage to come out of the fucking closet and be a proud gay man, can defend with a straight face a symbol of the systematic dehumanization of people whose only sin is having been born as they were–and that fucking includes him. How can Nikki Haley hesitate to condemn a system in which she and her family would be considered sub-human? How anyone can do that is something that eludes me every time.

    • Mehmeisterjr

      Easy: Greed.

  • ibwilliamsi

    I swear that photo is any Tuesday in my new hometown in NC.

    • weejee

      They’d get a real good reception here. None latte, and get put in time-out.

  • Solipsister

    Funny seeing Haley’s reference to the Fourth of July. It took Vicksburg nearly a century to decide to celebrate Independence Day again. Too butthurt that July 4 also happened to be the day in 1863 the city surrendered to the Union. Roof burned the US flag because these people don’t actually consider themselves as Americans. They are citizens of an occupied country. That’s why that fired Alabama cop proudly announced he’d refuse to enforce laws he thinks conflict with white supremacist values.

  • Alex Grey

    Let all of the confederate flag flying states leave the fucking union. The are all a bunch of fucking takers anyway.

    • There is definitely a case to be made that we should not have pressed the matter, but simply let them come crawling back one by one.

    • Malmborg Implano

      I will tell you exactly what will happen if they leave the Union.
      (a) They will immediately beg for billions in foreign aid.
      (b) Our borders will be overrun with illegal immigrants.

      • dshwa

        a) let them beg
        b) the delicious irony of a bunch of hillbillies now being the evil illegal immigrants will be super delicious.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Build the dang fence!

      • Alex Grey

        But they won’t have senators…

  • Relativicus

    “…for many South Carolinians, the flag ‘stands for traditions that are noble….’”

    And how fucked up is that? I would love to hear what’s so goddamned noble about the traditions it represents, though. Especially from people like Roof who think it’s the blacks that are stealing “our” country. You know, those “real Americans”?

  • Malmborg Implano

    I think they should continue to fly the Flag of Shame. It’s become a convenient way to spot reactionary douchebags, like an old W bumper sticker. Anyway if they bring it down it will become even more sacred to those suffering from the political opposition defiant disorder that seems to be running rampant in our southern and rural areas.

    • dshwa

      I’m sure if they vote to take the damn thing down, there’ll be a rush of individuals buying flags and bumper stickers, which will make life so much easier for Jade Helm 16 to round them up into FEMA camps.

      • BeliTsari

        SHhhhh… I was just investing in The People’s Greatest Flag Plant #33 & Manacles Are Us. Greenbriar Rail Car is already converting it’s Oil Bomb tankers to fit the dumb lard-asses.

  • Ryan Denniston

    “Haley […] urged those who will undoubtedly feel real sad, should the Republican legislature vote to remove the flag, to kindly get over it”

    Or, and this is just a thought, but Mississippi might be interested in letting you move in.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi

  • NorthStarSpanx

    Here we go, this blessed time tested piece of Americana is under assault the way Christianity it also too. He who would take down an iconic representation of a Southerner’s love for this great country without absolute consensus is, ummm, a scary thing.

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    That’s a whole lot of overnight evolution. Or maybe the explanation is much simpler:
    http://www.westcoastweathervanes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Goose-Weather-Vane-Running-P.jpg

    • Lord-Nash

      I was raised in SC (my parents moved to Charleston a few years ago) so I’m still in shock to hear Gov Haley, who once locked herself out of the governors mansion, was bright enough to tell which way the wind was blowing. Lord Dad and Lady Mom are more optimistic, thinking that the right knew it was wrong to fly the flag on state grounds, or perhaps even wanted to take it down. But they were too scared, until now.

      I just hope the legislature follows through. The circumstances leave much to be desired, but this is the best push they’ll ever get to take it down for good.

      Haley also said “the flag will always be a part of the soil of South Carolina”
      If you mean we should bury it forever, I totally agree Guvnah.

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