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You wouldn’t think calling for the removal of the Confederate flag from the grounds of South Carolina’s state capitol would be a difficult thing to do, especially for those who believe they are bold and brave enough to be this nation’s next president. We’re not in the habit of honoring our enemies by flying their flags or building memorials to their fallen, after all, so it stands to reason that state-sanctioned deference to the traitors who declared war on the United States would be easily recognized as, well, un-American.

Hell, even Mitt Romney — the guy who has never met an issue he hasn’t tried to hedge his way around, only to flip-flop on it later — knows that:

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And it didn’t take the murder of nine African Americans in their church last Wednesday for Romney to recognize the blatant immorality of flying the Confederate flag. He’s been calling for its removal since the first time he ran for president in 2008. It is, perhaps, the one and only consistent position he’s ever held.

So how is the current crop of Republican presidential candidates demonstrating their brave moral leadership? If Romney can express a clear message on South Carolina’s still-flying Confederate flag, then certainly the moral scolds running in this election must have even more to say. Let us marvel at the moral clarity and courage of the Republican Party’s contenders for leader of the free world.

From Coward To Really Big Coward

Jeb! Bush:

My position on how to address the Confederate flag is clear. In Florida, we acted, moving the flag from the state grounds to a museum where it belonged. This is obviously a very sensitive time in South Carolina and our prayers are with the families, the AME church community and the entire state. Following a period of mourning, there will rightly be a discussion among leaders in the state about how South Carolina should move forward and I’m confident they will do the right thing.

Did you miss the part where Jeb! actually says what the right thing is? Yeah, that’s because he didn’t. He’s certainly no Romney. Still, it’s the clearest message from the presidential candidates that it might be a good idea for South Carolina to remove the flag, so congratulations, Jeb, you are the least cowardly of all the Republican cowards. Molotov!

John Kasich:

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The Republican governor of Ohio hasn’t officially announced he’s running yet, but obviously he’s thinking seriously enough about it that he doesn’t want to offend the states’ rights sensibilities of South Carolina, just in case.

Carly Fiorina:

“I think it’s clearly a symbol that is very offensive to many, but my personal opinion is not what’s relevant here,” she told reporters at the Faith and Freedom Coalition’s “Road to Majority” conference in D.C. “What’s relevant here is what the people of South Carolina choose to do next.”

Fiorina later said she “personally” agrees with Mitt Romney that South Carolina should take down its flag, except — in the very same sentence — she added, “I think it is up to the people of South Carolina, however.” So her personal opinion is that South Carolina clearly must remove its flag, but, like, only if it wants to. She also personally believes she did a kick-ass job running Hewlett-Packard, and that’s why she should be president, even though she was told by the board of directors to get the hell out, after nearly destroying the company. Her personal beliefs don’t count for much.

Marco Rubio:

Q: Should South Carolina move its rebel flag from the state Capitol grounds?

Rubio: What’s important to remember, because this is coming in the aftermath of a horrible tragedy, is you have one individual with hate in his heart, who carried out an act motivated by racial hatred. And it’s an atrocity. It’s a horrifying instance. What I do think is important to remember is that the people of South Carolina have dealt with this issue before. They have found a bipartisan consensus over a decade ago on moving that flag to a new location. And I have confidence in their ability to deal with that issue again. I think it’s important to let the people of South Carolina move forward on it. They’ve shown an incredible ability to respond to these issues in the past — as they’ve responded to recent events, not just this tragic murder that occurred but also the murder of a civilian by a police officer just a few months ago. And those communities were able to come together and deal with it. I’ve been very impressed with the leadership of the state and the capacity of people to come together to take collective action. So this is an issue that they should debate and work through and not have a bunch of outsiders going and telling them what to do about it.

Q: Agree or disagree with Romney that they should take it down?

Rubio: In Florida it’s not up to our — it was moved to a museum. I support that decision. And I think ultimately the people of South Carolina will make the right decision for South Carolina. And I believe in their capacity to make that decision. The next president of the United States will not make that decision. That’s up to the people of South Carolina to make. And I think they’ll make the right one like they’ve made them in the past.

Q: So you think the right decision is to take the flag down or moved to a new location?

Rubio: The state of South Carolina has dealt with this issue in the past, they’ve done so in a way that brought people together. The current location was the result of a bipartisan agreement that that state came to over 15-20 years ago. And in fact, if they take up that issue now, I’m very confident that they’re going to make the right choice for the people of South Carolina in a way that all of their people are comfortable with. They’ve shown a capacity to do that in the past.

So basically, what Jeb! said. But with a lot more awkward hemming and hawing. Oh, but fun fact:

Rubio said he now supports Bush’s decision to remove the Confederate flag from the Florida capitol and place it in a museum. But as a state legislator, Rubio co-sponsored a war monuments preservation bill that would have preserved the Confederate flag’s placement on Capitol grounds.

So, huh. If Rubio was cool with letting the Confederate flag fly in Florida, does he think that’s the right decision for South Carolina too? Or maybe we’re supposed to give him credit for his evolution, not that he believes there is such a thing.

Rick Perry:

“I think a governor’s job should be one to bring people together, not to divide them, and I think the Confederate battle flag is clearly one of those that divides people,” Perry said Saturday in an interview with RealClearPolitics. […]

“I think it’s up to the people of South Carolina.” But he made a point of adding: “The people of the state of Texas, we dealt with those issues.”

Yeah, Texas has even refused to issue license plates with the Confederate flag on them. Thanks to the former governor, Texas is a real model of racial transcendence.

Rick Santorum:

Q: Do you not have a position on this at all?

Santorum: I’m not a South Carolinian. And I think this is a decision —

Q: It’s beyond South Carolina, don’t you think?

Santorum: I would say that these are decisions that should be made by people. I don’t think the federal government or federal candidates should be making decisions on everything, and opining on everything. This is a decision that needs to be made here in South Carolina.

Last we’d heard, Santorum wasn’t a Hoosier either, but that didn’t prevent him from opining on Indiana’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act, to protect bigoted business owners who invoke their “religious beliefs” to discriminate against homosexuals and whores. Guess this is different … somehow.

Ted Cruz:

“I understand the passions that this debate evokes on both sides,” the GOP presidential hopeful said. “Both those who see a history of racial oppression and a history of slavery, which is the original sin of our nation, and we fought a bloody civil war to expunge that sin.”

He added: “But I also understand those who want to remember the sacrifices of their ancestors and the traditions of their states, not the racial oppression, but the historical traditions, and I think often this issue is used as a wedge to try to divide people.”

Oh yeah, wouldn’t want to turn the nation’s most recognizable symbol of slavery into a wedge issue. But certainly Ted Cruz — who’s always running around calling his fellow Republicans a bunch of pussies for not standing up and speaking out for their causes, and also, like Santorum, had had plenty of opinions on Indiana — must have a clear and concise position on South Carolina’s flag:

“I think that’s a question for South Carolina, and the last thing they need is people from outside the state coming in and dictating how they should resolve that issue,” Cruz said.

Or not.

Lindsey Graham:

“That compromise was widely accepted,” said Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina. “But in light of what has happened, that has to be revisited because the shooter is so associated with the flag.”

Mr. Graham, himself a presidential hopeful, said of his state’s leaders: “This is something we need to deal with and we will. Give us a chance to come together and deal with this in a responsible way.”

This is actually progress for Graham, who spoke last week of the “compromise” — to let white people have their flag, and black people have their own memorial too — and insisted that it worked just fine for South Carolina. Guess maybe it should at least be revisited, considering that in addition to being associated with traitors declaring war on the United States to maintain their racist economic system of slavery, it’s now also associated with Dylann Roof, who murdered nine African Americans in their church.

Bobby Jindal:

“Look, we’ll let the states decide that. But again, just like with the gun issue, let’s have that debate at the right time. I mean, right now, we should all be in mourning,” Jindal said in a brief interview.

Ah, so while the governor of Louisiana has no opinion at all about the Confederate flag, and certainly not what South Carolina does with it, because that’s not his business, he knows we shouldn’t even be talking about it right now. We’ll update you as soon as we get the memo from him about the appropriate time for that conversation, which, as is always the case with Republicans, later. Meanwhile, the victims’ families can continue to grieve under the flag that is now also a cruel reminder of the man who killed their loved ones.

Scott Walker:

“I think they’re going to have a good healthy debate and should have that debate in South Carolina amongst officials at the state level,” Walker told reporters after his dinner speech at the “Road to Majority” conference.

“I just think before I or anyone else weighs in on anything to do with policy, whether it’s this or any other policy decisions, we should honor the dead and the families by allowing them to bury their loved ones. And then you could perfectly ask me that question at some point in the next week or two when that’s done.”

Walker also deferred when asked by a reporter if he viewed the Confederate flag as a symbol of racism.

Wisconsin’s governor is one tough guy. He can stand up to those evil union thugs who are just like ISIS, but when it comes to standing up to the racists who insist upon state-sanctioned honoring of their “heritage”? Well, that’s not Walker’s problem, so he’ll be over here, once again refusing to have an opinion.

Ben Carson:

“The Confederate flag causes a lot of people angst and they are not able to see beyond that,” Carson said on Fox News. “I think the people of South Carolina should sit down and have an intelligent discussion about what can they use that captures their heritage, captures the heritage of America and allows them to coexist in peace.”

Is Carson suggesting that the people who want the flag taken down are incapable of seeing past their “angst”? Like, the angst of what the flag represents? The angst of a horrific act of terrorism? Give them time to mourn, and then maybe they can see more clearly? Good plan. Carson also said that the flag, while “inflammatory,” has nothing to do with any future tragedies. How does he know that? How can he be certain the next Dylann Roof isn’t out there, encouraged to see that there’s still plenty of resistance in the South? Guess we’ll just have to take his word for it.

Mike Huckabee:

“I don’t think [the American people] want us to weigh in on every little issue in all 50 states that might be an important issue to the people of that state but not on the desk of the president,” Huckabee said.

Sure, Americans might want to know a presidential candidate’s every critique of Beyonce’s work, but something as insignificant as the number one topic of discussion in America right now, following a heinous hate crime that left nine dead? Nahhh. Except maybe for this:

“The question underlying all of this is, that we’re asking, is South Carolina a racist state because of the flag that flies on their capitol grounds?” he said. […]

“I don’t think you could say that the presence of one lunatic racist, who everybody in this country feels contempt for, and no one is defending, is somehow evidence of the people of South Carolina,” Huckabee said.

As to that question, Huckabee’s pretty sure South Carolina is not a racist state, because it was just that one guy who did that one thing. And sure, he did so in the name of the exact same principles the Confederate flag represents, but what’s that got to do with it?

George Pataki:

Former New York Gov. George Pataki, who launched his campaign last month, called the flag placement “a decision for the people of South Carolina.”

It’s hard to understand why the RINO former governor of New York is afraid to outright agree with Mitt Romney that the flag should be taken down. What does he have to lose? Nobody in South Carolina is going to vote for him anyway.

Chris Christie:

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The loud-mouthed New Jersey governor who is so proud of offending people all of a sudden doesn’t have a whole lot to say, let alone scream in people’s faces. How very unlike him.

Rand Paul:

A spokesman for Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said he had no comment.

That’s probably a first.

Donald Trump:

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That’s definitely a first. Donald Trump has had nothing to say about the Confederate flag in South Carolina, but maybe that’s only because no journalist takes him seriously enough to bother asking.

And there you have it, America, your profiles in Republican courage, from coward to YOOOOOOGE coward. Maybe the party really should ask Mitt Romney to run again. Turns out he’s the most courageous and moral leader of the gang after all.

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  • FauxAntocles

    But what do the Dems say?

    • drbloor

      Nothing. Never get in front of the cameras when the opposition is doing such a nice job setting themselves on fire in the spotlight.

    • guppy06

      What does the Fox say?

      • Blank Ron

        BENGHAZI!

  • AntiDerpomeme

    Good gawd, what a bunch of pathetic apologist losers. Is it too soon to ask Rmoney to try his hand at this running-for-president thing? Seems like he’d be really good at at.

  • dslindc

    Mmmmmm, derptastic!

  • BeliTsari

    Well, it’s THEIR flag after all? You woldn’t want the ‘baggers to go back to poking eye-holes in Motel 6 pillow cases and waving them as they surrender after all their massacres, now, would you… PUNK?

  • JoyP

    Something I thought I would never say, “good on ya Mitt!”. I had to say it quick before he changes his statement or at least tries to codify it.

  • Lizzietish81

    Do these people not see the irony in thinking this should be a state issue?

    • coozledad

      Well, you know how it is. Republican state, Republican flag.

    • Msgr_Moment

      Irony has a decidedly right-wing bias.

    • OneYieldRegular

      No. I mean yes, they don’t see the irony.

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      Too busy ironying their costumes, er, bedsheets.

      • Sam Hain

        How does one iron a Tricorner hat anyways?
        A cup of gas and a match?

    • Sam Hain

      To be fair, a Confederates states issue.

  • Dudleydidwrong

    No one should run for president. Once Romney saw that he had no chance (as per having his head handed to him in US voting booths) he grew some balls. Hurrah. If the other clowns stop running maybe balls will begin to develop. Carly? Ben? Chris? etc. Feel any bumps? Didn’t think so.

  • Lizzietish81

    You know what else South Carolina was a State issue?

  • AntiDerpomeme

    GOP sure has a winning strategy for courting the black voters of ‘Merica.

  • Ryan Denniston

    tldr indeed! Too many candidates. Oh, and “Profiles in Cowardice”? Well put!

    • Lizzietish81

      Rubio was the only one I couldn’t read through. How did he get through that without lunging for water?

      • Ryan Denniston

        Nice. Yeah, he must have been on the teevee or something. As I was reading it I wondered if he was filibustering a host.

      • drbloor

        The rabies have rendered him hydrophobic.

      • Latverian Diplomat

        I think he wears one of those hats with straws preloaded with a couple of Aquafina bottles. Never takes it off except to reload.

  • eggsacklywright

    Southern Culture on the Skids indeed.

    • Dudleydidwrong

      And, as usual, leaving skid marks.

    • geoffalnutt

      Culture? If you’re looking at the results in a petri dish.

  • schmannity

    All but Romney: I wouldn’t want to offend my base, The Republican Confederate Party. This is a state’s rights issue.

    Query: Isn’t “state’s rights” what led to the Confederate battle flag?

  • JohnnyZhivago2

    So it’s ok to fly the Nazi flag – but just to commemorate their rocket scientists????

    • Lizzietish81

      Appreciation for the Volkswagen?

      • Lady Bug

        Fanta Love

    • Sheepshagger

      Hugo Schmeiser was ok
      And Ernst Roehm was gay
      But Von Braun und Edmund Teller
      Really blew a fella….

      (Apologies to… Well everyone really)

    • schmannity

      Brave Sir Rick Perry is a uniter, not a divider. You can’t be dividing Nazis from non-Nazis.

    • And German Chocolate Cake.

    • jmk

      “We celebrate our national autobahn, not national socialism…”

    • Doug Langley

      Well, duh, it’s not rocket science.

      Oh wait . . .

  • Tallmutha

    “I would say that these are decisions that should be made by people.” Thank you, Senator Frothy.

    • Jaime Oria

      As opposed to those decisions that should be made by marmosets. Or heaps of lawn clippings. Or Skynet.

      • Gleem-McShinez

        Or byproducts of a certain kind of congress.

  • Lizzietish81

    It’s almost as if the Republican Party has been relying on the votes of Southern Racists who think, like Jesus, the South will come again, for the last 40 years.

    Nixon would be proud (though still annoyed about the John Birch society)

  • Msgr_Moment

    Racist rights: up to the racists to decide
    Abortion rights: up to the government to decide.

    • guppy06

      Solution: tattoo the Confederate flag on your cooter.

  • cousin itt

    But abortion and gay marriage no, we can’t leave those choices up to the people.

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      After a period of reflection: no.

  • BeliTsari

    Now, if we’d just ‘POLOGISE fer up ‘n a’stealin all their slaves, like I know you’re going two, too…

    • Sonja

      This whole Civil War thing might have been avoided if we’d just paid the slave owners for the loss of their property (as disgusting as that sounds) like the United Kingdom did when they abolished slavery throughout the empire. Although, to be fair, that was probably easier for them since we weren’t part of the empire and they could still profit from our system of slavery.

      • BeliTsari

        Thing was, we’ve never learned in school how the actual system worked; like how over- extended many US planters were. With the slaves being repeatedly sold and leased by the indentured OWNERS, ever more in debt to overseas (and Yankee) speculation, mostly on margin: human beings, tobacco, cane, cotton, dye-stuffs… there’re a bunch of links posted throughout. Bottom line, the Confederacy was Ayn Rand’s wet dream! They’ll never learn?

  • Lizzietish81

    Sherman, on his way back from destroying Georgia, made sure that South Carolina suffered for starting the war in the first place.

    Clearly they don’t learn.

    • FUN FACT: My city was spared by Sherman. We met the Union Troops outside of the city limits and got ’em good and drunk.

      Sherman wound up giving us to Lincoln as a right pretty lil’ Christmas present.

      As the saying goes: “In Charleston they ask you about your family history. In Savannah we ask you what you’d like to drink.”

      • Jen_Baker_VA

        Savannah is clearly a most civilized city

        • Oh, we have plenty o’ shooting, stabbings, beheadings, feeding to alligators, etc. here but it’s normally among family and friends and buttsex rent boys.

          • eggsacklywright

            The Addams family meets the Clampetts?

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      As the birthplace of the rebellion, Sherman predicted that his march through S.C. would be “the most horrible thing in the history of the world”. Obviously, he’d never met Trump’s hair.

    • Bowtie and Fedora

      How did South Carolina start the war? The Union forces occupying Fort Sumter were illegally.

  • Incoming Ham

    RE: Santorum:

    Q: It’s beyond South Carolina, don’t you think?*

    *Note to editor, please fix punctuation.

    Q: It’s beyond South Carolina. Don’t you think?

  • Latverian Diplomat

    Well done, this was a lot of unpleasant work to put together.

    Dear GOP, There are more candidates than stars on the traitor flag. Please eliminate two. I am not a crackpot, I just think that might make a nice image.

    Jeb!:

    Following a period of mourning, there will rightly be a discussion among leaders in the state

    Jindal:

    just like with the gun issue, let’s have that debate at the right time. I mean, right now, we should all be in mourning,

    I’m so sick of using “mourning” as an excuse to do nothing and hope an outrage fades… How would “Doctors promise to address Ebola outbreak after a suitable period of mourning” go over?

    • Incoming Ham

      Executive summary: “Let’s ignore if for a couple of weeks, everyone will forget as usual, and we can get on with our fundraising.”

    • Doug Langley

      Maybe he wants to duplicate Reagan’s strategy of Mourning in America.

  • Msgr_Moment

    Confederate flag Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia (Those fuckers should have trademarked it.):

    These colors DO run.

    • Tallmutha

      I didn’t coin it, but I like that new term that’s catching on, “the American Swastika.”

      • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

        It just caught on a whole lot more. Thanks.

      • bobbert

        I prefer “Dixie Swastika”.

  • MrBlobfish

    The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D. 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue.

    • Ryan Denniston

      Thanks Obama!

    • coozledad

      Those Foghorn Leghorn quotes never get tiresome.

      • Tallmutha

        Ah say, Boy, Ah keep a-throwin’ em and you keep a-missin’ ’em.

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      Wait. There was a time that they could write a whole paragraph?

      • BeliTsari

        They cut & pasted a K Street hand-out…

  • cousin itt

    It’s been said before but the only flag the South needs to fly other than the Stars and Stripes is a white flag.

    Wait.

  • Lizzietish81

    Hey let’s go further back and look at…nullification!

    “The nation suffered an economic downturn throughout the 1820s, and South Carolina was particularly affected. Many South Carolina politicians blamed the change in fortunes on the national tariff policy that developed after theWar of 1812 to promote American manufacturing over its European competition.[1] The controversial and highly protective Tariff of 1828 (known to its detractors as the “Tariff of Abominations”) was enacted into law during the presidency of John Quincy Adams. The tariff was opposed in the South and parts of New England. By 1828, South Carolina state politics increasingly organized around the tariff issue. Its opponents expected that the election of Jackson as President would result in the tariff being significantly reduced.[2] When the Jackson administration failed to take any actions to address their concerns, the most radical faction in the state began to advocate that the state itself declare the tariff null and void within South Carolina. In Washington, an open split on the issue occurred between Jackson and Vice President John C. Calhoun, the most effective proponent of the constitutional theory of state nullification.[3]
    On July 14, 1832, before Calhoun had resigned the Vice Presidency in order to run for the Senate where he could more effectively defend nullification,[4] Jackson signed into law the Tariff of 1832. This compromise tariff received the support of most northerners and half of the southerners in Congress.[5] The reductions were too little for South Carolina, and on November 24, 1832, a state convention adopted the Ordinance of Nullification, which declared that the Tariffs of 1828 and 1832 were unconstitutional and unenforceable in South Carolina after February 1, 1833. Military preparations to resist anticipated federal enforcement were initiated by the state.[6] On March 1, 1833, Congress passed both the Force Bill—authorizing the President to use military forces against South Carolina—and a new negotiated tariff, the Compromise Tariff of 1833, which was satisfactory to South Carolina. The South Carolina convention reconvened and repealed its Nullification Ordinance on March 15, 1833, but three days later nullified the Force Bill as a symbolic gesture to maintain its principles.”

    • Ryan Denniston

      Well. Thank goodness Oath Keepers were there to hold that mean ol’ tyrant Jackson’s feet to the fire!

    • Msgr_Moment

      There you go. The Civil War was NOT about slavery after all!

      • Sonja

        Like all wars, it was about money. Unfortunately, the South’s money was in the form of human beings.

        • Mehmeisterjr

          To be fair, the Confederacy considered slaves to be bitpeople.

          • Sonja

            You mean the U.S. Constitution?

          • artem1s

            well, 3/5th of a bitperson anyway

      • guppy06

        No, it was about protecting the profit margins of the slave industry.

        Wait…

    • Blank Ron

      So the country wasn’t much more than 50 years old and you were already at each other’s throats?
      Okay, I shouldn’t throw stones. Canada’s regions have been at odds since before Confederation. But for the most part it’s been just yelling across the aisle in Parliament and not shooting at each other.

      • Amy!

        For more amusement, Georgia, one of the current pillars of southern “heritage,” and one of the lynchpins of the Confederacy a hundred and fifty years ago, was chartered and settled[fn1] as a free, no slavery allowed colony. The provision prohibiting slavery was repealed in 1750, only a quarter century before the Revolution.

        [fn1] US Americans use the term “settled” to describe the killing and expulsion of native peoples, so that the (mostly) European-descended colonists could take their land. I like to think of it as an anachronistic translation of lebensraum.

  • schmannity

    P.S. Bush and Rubio: And the current Florida flag is not evocative of your “museum piece?”

  • Msgr_Moment
    • AntiDerpomeme

      Earl Holt III, president of the Council of Conservative Citizens, has given money to the campaigns or Super PACs supporting Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and Rick Santorum, among others, Federal Election Commission records show. The CCC Web site is among those mentioned in Roof’s online manifesto…

      Nice buncha guys, you betcha. But let’s see if any of this actually sticks to Cruz, Paul or Santorum. I mean, we all know that they are raging assholes, but with the direct links to racists, maybe SOME otherwise-inclined to vote for them will reconsider. Yeah, who am I kidding: It’ll be a selling point for some voters.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/22/campaigns-distance-themselves-from-white-supremacist-groups-donations/

      • artem1s

        OK, now I know why the pundzits on NPR this morning were spouting some nonsense about the shooter not having any provable ties to white supremecy groups. Jeebus forbid any of the candidates should have to pass up any of that sweet sweet grifter campaign monies.

      • Good_Gawd_Yall

        Don’t forget that when Paul was running for the Senate and Rachel outed him as a racist fuckwad who would segregate businesses if he could, his numbers here in KY, sadly, went up.

  • Viva La Tabula Raza

    What did Lynyrd Skynyrd have to say?

    • Lizzietish81

      That they were free as a bird?

    • MrBlobfish

      Surprisingly, a coupla years ago, Skynyrd told it’s fans to leave the flags at home. Lost some fans over that one.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        They have fans?

        • Lizzietish81

          Hey!

          I rather like their stuff.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Years ago, playing a gig with my iconoclastic little original music band-and getting profoundly ignored by the “audience”-we broke into “Sweet Home Alabama”-as an ironic goof. Everyone in the joint snapped to attention, people came in from the street cheering….our humiliation was complete.

          • Jen_Baker_VA

            Next time do Raw Hide.

          • H0mer0

            Or “Stand by Your Man”

          • Viva La Tabula Raza

            Yeah, if you listen to the lyrics on a lot of their songs, they were pretty liberal back in the day.

        • Lefty Frizzell

          One here!

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      Nothing. They were running on empty.

  • RumAddled

    Rubio wins for the longest non-answer of the bunch.

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      Takes time to drink from those little water bottles.

    • OneYieldRegular

      It’s not even an answer. It’s two-and-a-half sound-bites repeated over and over, plus whatever other words he can desperately manage to find. Remember, this is a candidate so incapable of doing more than one thing at once that even reaching for a bottle of water while speaking requires a significant division of mental energy.

      • PubOption

        He could be using the technique of ‘ramble on without really addressing the issue for as long as you can, in the hope that, when you finish, the interviewer has forgotten what was asked’.

        • Biff52

          Grampa Simpson has that down!

  • JohnBull

    GOP outreach to blacks……………..check.
    Next up: reach out to young women by shutting down Planned Parenthood.

  • Incoming Ham

    O/T but this should be plenty of fodder for the bang-stick diddlers for a week or two:

    http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/crime/2015/06/22/1-dead-1-injured-in-shootout-outside-benihana-restaurant/29097359/

    • Shocking!

      Benihaha is still a thing?!?

    • dshwa

      We still have the recent study showing that this kind of shooting is a minuscule percent of the shootings that occur, not that the gun diddlers will care.

  • Lizzietish81
    • willi0000000

      John Oliver . . . bastard son of Jon Stewart . . . or rightful heir? . . . you decide.

      • Blank Ron

        From what I hear he’s quite happy at HBO. Less work and more freedom to piss off corporations.

        • Vienna Woods

          AND he can say anything he wants, up to and including motherfucker.

          • Blank Ron

            Which sounds SO different when said with a British accent.

  • dshwa

    Mitt Romney has not flip flopped on an issue?

    Error!…Error!!… Does not compute!!… Error!

    • Barley_Brains

      There is still time…

      • Doug Langley

        Just tell him he’s got the nomination and he’ll flip faster than a windshield wiper in a tornado.

  • BREAKING NEWS ON THE TEEVEE!
    President Obama uses the ‘n-word’ to make a point about ‘polite racism’.

    His entire presidency in now in doubt.

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      well there goes his third term

      • BackDoorMan

        … let the memes begin!

    • Lady Bug

      Pearls, fainting couch, whiskey, tango, Appalachian Trails, more whiskey….

    • BeliTsari

      FOX is constantly hiring prevaricating, smug neo-liberal jackals? His hair’s a LOT lighter, lately!

      Needs to work on them legs though!

  • Mary Sandoras

    (Texas is a real model of racial transcendence.)

    Except if pool partying while blah.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    All this handwringing over the War Of Northern Aggression….get over it, sheeple.

    • willi0000000

      they* never stopped fighting the War Of Northern Aggression . . . they will never stop fighting the War Of Northern Aggression . . . even, if by some cruel twist of fate, they win it someday they will never stop fighting the War Of Northern Aggression.

      * or as i like to call them . . . “losers”

  • Tallmutha

    Whoa, check it out! Dr. Ben may have been no profile in courage when it comes to the flag, but on the shooter’s racism, he up ‘n’ slaps the other Kar Klowns upside the face! (can’t link to it for some reason, it’s a USA Today op-ed)

    “If this were a medical disease, and all the doctors recognized the symptoms but refused to make the diagnosis for fear of offending the patient, we could call it madness. But there are people who are claiming that they can lead this country who dare not call this tragedy an act of racism, a hate crime, for fear of offending a particular segment of the electorate.”

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Carson/Romney for 2016!

    • dshwa

      Wow, I agree with Ben Carson on something. Better go see my doctor.

      • smr06va

        Damn, better get to the ER, QUICK!!…………….

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      Wow. Does this apply to gun control, too? Or just racism?

      • Tallmutha

        You don’t really have to ask, do you?

        I doubt this gives a peek into the good doctor’s previously unseen liberal streak. It’s just that he knows he’s not going to win and he’d like to save just a little bit of face among the black community.

    • Blank Ron

      Good to see Uncle Ben has chosen to visit Earth for a while.

    • Biff52

      If his eyes were closed, he didn’t mean it.

  • DahBoner

    Since destroying the Middle Class is a form of economic enslavement, maybe the GOP should adopt the Stars and Bars for their party’s symbol…

    http://media2.giphy.com/media/7E0CMhcO690je/200w_d.gif

  • AnOuthouse

    “I would say that these are decisions that should be made by people.”
    Me too! We’re both rocket scientists!

  • Tallmutha

    Hey, just a tangential question: That confederate flag in SC, the one that can’t be lowered to half-mast because it’s permanently affixed up there? Doesn’t it get kinda dirty over time?

    • BeliTsari

      They dun wurshed it in de Blood O’Tyrants…

    • AnOuthouse

      Its relative. If it started out as a piece of shit, it couldn’t get much worse.

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      Amazingly, it is just about as dirty as it was in the 1860s.

  • Paul Harrington

    Romney’s still hedging. “To many, it’s a symbol of racial hatred.” It’s a symbol of racial hatred for everyone. The only question is whether you think that’s a good or a bad thing.

    • jmk

      Sad, isn’t it, that even his hedging looks like courage, compared to the Klown Kar Kidz.

  • AnOuthouse

    Why did it take until 1961 for the fine patriotic citizens of SC to start remembering the sacrifices of their ancestors?

    • Lizzietish81

      No idea, but I can tell you it had nothing to do with the Civil Rights movement.

      Fun factoid: The city of Vicksburg MS refused to celebrate the fourth of July for like 100 years. In addition to being the Feds birthday, it was also the day Grant took the city.

      • Steverino247

        And Grant had the “decency” to tell the troops under his command to not whoop it up after the victory. He was about trying to heal the rift and bring us all back together.

        • Mehmeisterjr

          But he was just another damn Yankee divider. If he wanted to heal the rift, he just should have lost the war.

        • malsperanza

          There was a nice ceremony last week at Grant’s tomb in New York, in memory of the murdered Charleston citizens.

  • Virginia Dreaming

    The Council of Conservative Citizens (or CCC, which is a chickenshit way of invoking the KKK) is the source for much of Dylann Roof’s hate. The CCC has been donating to Ted Cruz’s campaigns for years. After being confronted, Cruz decided to return their money. They have also donated to Santorum and Rubio (?) neither whom have commented as far as I know. Talk about blood money.

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      CCC(P).

      • coozledad

        Shouldn’t that be a small p?

      • Querolous

        CCC(TP)

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      I was reading that. Sure they will return the money NOW, and tell the guy just to stick it into a pac so no one can find out about it next time.

    • Bowtie and Fedora

      The obscenely high black crime rate is the source of much of Dylan Roof’s hate.

      My apologies if the image is too small to easily read. The statistics all come from the government, and the Obama Administration, no less.

      http://i.imgur.com/OMwAaWW.jpg

      • Virginia Dreaming

        However, if you look at how much money or property is stolen, you would find that white crime is much worse. Violent crime is obvious, but white collar crime is much more devastating to our economy and society.

        • Mr. Platinumberg

          Just because you can’t assign a dollar figure to the effect of violent crime on society doesn’t mean it isn’t huge. More to the point, would you rather be bilked out of some money or savagely molested and murdered?

          • Virginia Dreaming

            Savagely molested, of course.
            Dude I lived in Chicago and walked the streets alone after tutoring kids in some “dangerous” neighborhoods. It is not nearly as bad as your wet underwear would indicate. But when one man or a small group of men loot a pension plan hundreds to thousands of people are forced to cope with the results for years. Do you really think that mugging a few people equates with destroying hundreds of lives.
            If you want to address violent crime, look more at the income and educational inequities that put people in a position where crime is the most likely way they can earn a living. Punishment is rarely a good way to modify people’s behavior. Instead you work to decrease the rewards of, or need for criminal behavior and then use punishment on the people who actually enjoy committing crimes.

          • Mr. Platinumberg

            Uhuh, yeah pal….so what’s your real assertion here? That blacks are angels because they’re not typically involved in financial crime? I got news for you pal, that’s because they lack the sophistication and influence to be involved in such things more often.

          • Virginia Dreaming

            My assertion is that people who commit crimes of need are not as destructive as people who commit crimes of greed. And that the amount of pigment in their skin is not related to inherent worth of people. Also that you are every bit as racist and deviant as Dylann Roof.

  • Paperless Tiger

    They should replace it with a DHS drill flag and have crisis actors march around saluting it all day.

  • MrBlobfish

    That’s not a dog whistle, dudes.

  • grumblestiltskin

    Things To Do Today:

    1. Thank Mitt Romney
    2. Get therapy

    • Silence Is Golden

      Maybe it’s a parallel universe? Bizarro world??? Time for my therapy…

  • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

    Well, ehem, you know, um, both parties are pretty much the same.

  • JustPixelz

    “I don’t think you could say that the presence of one lunatic racist, who everybody in this country feels contempt for, and no one is defending….” Huckabee said.

    What about Cliven Bundy?
    What about Phil Robertson?
    What about Rush Limbaugh?
    What about Glenn Beck?
    What about Donald Trump?
    What about Newt Gingrich?
    What about Ron Paul?
    What about Rick Santorum?
    What about everyone on Fox News?

  • JustPixelz

    The actual name for the Confederacy was Independent States Incorporating Slavery.

    • Mehmeisterjr

      And yet Obummer insists upon calling it Independent States Inslaving Lazybones.

  • Jen_Baker_VA

    There is a republican lawmaker in SC- who knows it is going to cost him the election- who will introduce a bill to take it down. Good on him. Maybe these republicans can learn what courage is from that guy?

  • Steve Zakszewski

    So Graham is all for “separate but equal” monuments. Just curious, does each side get their own lunch counter, drinking fountain, and bathrooms too?

    • willi0000000

      well . . . that other monument is around the back . . . next to the dumpster.

  • calliecallie

    “Texas is a real model of racial transcendence.”
    Honestly, when I first read that, I saw racial translucence.

  • JustPixelz

    Boeing builds its 787 airliners in South Carolina. I, for one, refuse to buy any Boeing products — especially 787s. I call on all wonketteers to do the same.

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      Consider it done.

    • w9anthimos

      The also make BMWs there, and Michelin tires.

      • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

        BMWs are made in Munich. Porsches and Benzes are made in Stuttgart. The end.

        • BeliTsari

          Well… Fabrique Nationale Herstal slaps-together M4/M4A1 carbines, M16 rifles, MK46, MK48 and M240L machine guns, and the MK19 grenade launcher round thereabouts… I recon?

        • w9anthimos

          They have a factory in Spartanburg.

          • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

            As I said…

    • Barley_Brains

      I stand with you – I just cancelled my order.

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      But..but what about the new Volvo plant?

    • Blank Ron

      Anybody have Airbus Group’s phone number?

  • TundraGrifter

    Am I the only person on the planet who remembers the brouhaha when a statue of Crazy Horse was proposed for the Little Bighorn battlefield?

    Do they fly the Meatball Flag of the empire of Japan at Pearl Harbor?

    Does the flag of the British Empire fly in front of the Statehouse in Boston?

    And don’t get me started about the Mexican flag down in San Antonio over the Alamo…

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      Someone Soooo needs to plant some Messican flags outside of the Alamo

      • PubOption

        You could say that would be honoring the winners, of that little skirmish, anyway.

      • Bowtie and Fedora

        You do realize that that already exists, don’t you? I was in San Antonio. They fly the flags of every nation that has owned that city. Texans take pride in their history as a whole.

  • calliecallie

    You know who else thought it was really important to remember and honor a people’s culture and heritage?

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      Willie Nelson?

      • Biff52

        I always got a little uncomfortable when they unfurled that atrocity as their backdrop. A real crowd pleaser, though.

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      Everyone? Remembering culture and heritage is a good thing.
      Even the bad parts, so we do not repeat them and learn from then.
      Now flying the flag of a failed country that started a war with the united states so its rich men could keep their slaves and not have to pay for labor? Well, that is not so much remembering culture and heritage as it is being a big dumb.

  • TundraGrifter

    I’m very tired of reading the Confederacy wasn’t all about slavery. The reactionary, regressive idiots have never read the proclamations of secession. Start with South Carolina and then claim slavery wasn’t a big issue back then.

  • Beowoof14

    Hey it’s the flag of traitors and losers. And for flying it, I am okay with that, helps me know who I am dealing with. And it helps me stay away from traitors and losers.

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      The can fly it on their trucks, their houses, their businesses or any other public property. They can cut it up and wear it as a mankini for all I care
      But the flag of a forign enemy does not belong on our government’s buildings. If even Texas can get that idea, surely SC can

      • jmk

        No. No mankini. No.

        • Jen_Baker_VA

          Don’t be repressing people’s freedumbs of speech. If nothing else, it makes for viral memes.
          Side note: I did not know mankini was actually a real thing and then I went to the beach last year and I was all MY EYESSSSS It hurts and stings!!!

          • LesBontemps

            I thought Mankini wrote the “Pink Panther” theme?

          • jmk

            The sad part was that I could so easily visualize a mankini made of the Confederate flag…and I could feel my brain cringe away from said image.

  • guppy06

    And I think ultimately the people of South Carolina will make the right
    decision for South Carolina. And I believe in their capacity to make
    that decision. The next president of the United States will not make
    that decision.

    Marco Rubio James Buchanan

  • Swampgas_Man

    Uh, not to be curmudgeonly or anything, but has anybody asked Hillary or Sanders what THEIR opinion is? I doubt they’d be pro-traitorflag, but it’d be nice to see any hemming or hawing on their part.

  • Enfant Terrible

    “So how is the current crop of Republican presidential candidates demonstrating their brave moral leadership?”

    I first read that as “defenestrating”.

    • AnOuthouse

      Only a true libtard would misread one big word for another big word.

  • JohnR

    Is Pat Buchanan still around, I wonder what he thinks?

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      He was on the McLaughlin group thingy thing spouting off the states rights talking point. He looked pretty sad doing it, and choked on the words at least 2 times
      he then did the same for the Pope daring to talk about science

      • Mehmeisterjr

        He’s probably pissed that nobody put up a Bitburg Memorial next to that Lincoln thingy.

        • Jen_Baker_VA

          I think he is still all pissed he did not get the obscene amount of money other presidential runs got. It was like the GOP said yeah we ain’t winnin this one *half assed attempt*
          Good to see he is still towing the party line though. For a moment I thought maybe he’d grow his very own brain

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        He is a sad case…almost beyond contempt. Just a sad, sad shell of a human.

        • Jen_Baker_VA

          I like him on the McLaughlin though. I mean once in a while he stumbles on something pretty good and then the lady will be all, you are right! And then he looks like a deer in the headlights and tries to backtrack
          that is when you take a shot

          • Biff52

            I had to quit watching that show because I was about ready to start drawing targets surveyor’s marks on Monica Crowley, and I just can’t afford a new TV.

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      He was on the McLaughlin group thingy thing spouting off the states rights talking point. He looked pretty sad doing it, and choked on the words at least 2 times
      he then did the same for the Pope daring to talk about science

  • Left Coast Tom

    Santorum: I would say
    that these are decisions that should be made by people.

    So what species is Santorum?

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      Part man, part dog.

      • Jen_Baker_VA

        dog libulz!
        Should be part man, part rabid squirrel, 100% A Idiot

        • Blank Ron

          C’mon, now it’s SQUIRREL libel!

    • Mehmeisterjr

      By “people” I assume he means “corporations.”

    • Tallmutha

      Let’s get David Icke’s take on it.

    • Barley_Brains

      Snivillous Whinyassus Nonsapeins

  • guppy06

    “The people of the state of Texas, we dealt with those issues.”

    Ah, so a certain Texas-based company will be changing its name to “Five Flags?”

    • Mehmeisterjr

      And what was the name of your ranch again? (My question is addressed to Rick Perry, not guppy06.)

  • unStunned

    Rick Santorum, Hoosier daddy?

  • VandeGraf

    Apparetly the GOP roster of nominee candidates is covered in slime mold. That’s not so much racist as degenerate.

  • OneYieldRegular

    If it’s just up to South Carolina, then why the f*ck did we fight a civil war? God, what a pathetic, mealy-mouthed bunch.

    • Dee Andee

      It’s time for state’s rights to take a hike. But then in America, nothing positive happens until we have exhausted every means at our disposal to make it worse.

      • Mr. Platinumberg

        What are you talking about? The US government essentially acts as though the 10th Amendment has been repealed. What states rights?

  • memzilla

    Can you imagine the reaction if we, like Germany, banned the public display of a symbol of hatred and racism?

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      It’s not 1946 in America yet. Not in the south, anyway.

    • BackDoorMan

      … you will still see the swastika displayed in Germany, but it is mostly confined to the numerous museums and memorials chronicling the horrors of this world war. During my most recent visit there, I spent some time at the Topography of Terror in Berlin and seeing this symbol of hatred and racism in context just amplified what a truly reprehensible symbol this is and why no one in their right mind would want to be associated with it. However, that hasn’t prevented the growing neo-nazi movement in Germany from testing that ‘public ban’ by flaunting it at every opportunity.

  • Swampgas_Man

    If my great-granddaddy died defending the swastika, I damn sure wouldn’t defend him. I think I’d quietly change the subject.

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      My father in law did. And after capture in France and a brief period as a guest of the allies (four years), he got smart and let it go.

    • guppy06

      America Country First!

    • Bowtie and Fedora

      Even if he was some poor bastard who was conscripted and sent to fight the Soviets? Nice signalling, though. #sobrave

  • weejee

    The Yellow River

    By I. P. Daily the GOP presidential candidates.

  • Rimshot101

    As a resident of SC, I would tell everyone not to get their hopes up. In these parts, the best way for a state politician to endear themselves to the voting public is by pissing off the rest of the country. The rest of the world, if possible.

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      One of your republican fellows is introducing a bill (or says he will) even though he admits it will cost him re-election. Wish I could find the story, it made me have a little hope that some of our politicians understand and see more than what their party tells them to.
      Course, whether or not he actually does it or not remains to be seen

      • Rimshot101

        They need a supermajority in the lege to do anything to it, and I kinda doubt they can pull that many people who want to lose their jobs. I’ve never trusted the SC government to do the right thing, and I see no reason why they will this time.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Cleek’s Law in action.

  • BeliTsari

    Our servants won’t never surrender to slavishly whip-up no niggardly traitors in a bid to shackle their confederates… aw shuckens, fetch me up my smelling salts, Mindy!

  • chicken thief

    “…you have one individual with hate in his heart, who carried out an act motivated by racial hatred.”

    Rubio, for god’s sake, read the fucking memos – it was an attack on CHRISTIANITY!

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      Rubio’s thinking “Thank fuck he didn’t hate Cubans or Cruz and I would be in the shit.”

  • Antimassacree

    “Clearly, the people of SC need to encourage their political leaders to cut taxes on businesses in the state.” (the GOP answer to all of life’s problems)

    • Biff52

      Yes! Then some poor oppressed business will be able to bring their confederate flag factory back from China!

  • artem1s

    “To many, it is a symbol of racial hatred”

    Stick the landing Mittbot2016. Take out the “to many”. It is a symbol of racial hatred. Period. the end.

  • Whollyholeyholy

    I am surprised to think that Rubio is ever thought of in a serious fashion. He could not get to the point (on any subject) if it bit him in the ass.

  • guppy06

    Santorum: I’m not a South Carolinian.

    No, you’re a Pennsylvanian, a state where a bunch of out-of-state Southerners (including South Carolinians) decided to celebrate July 4 in a peculiar way. So one would think someone who formerly held statewide office there might be able to understand how it might just be an interstate issue a li’l bit.

    • Whollyholeyholy

      Pickett’s fireworks display was a real bust.

      • Woody

        In the end, delightfully, the tough-as-nails good ol’ Johnny Rebs got their collective asses handed to them when a bunch of Mainers under Joshua Chamberlain, the very epitome of an effete Yankee sally boy (a Professor of *Rhetoric* at Bowdoin, for Christ’s sake!) held the line at Little Round Top, ran out of ammo, and fixed their damn bayonets and charged down the hill into the face of Confederate lead, sending them valiant racists high-tailin’ back to Charleston or wherever. They been bitter ever since at the humiliation.

        • Whollyholeyholy

          I totes have a retro crush on Joshua Chamberlain, but that was earlier in the week.

  • DemmeFatale

    Who’d have thought? Mitt, of all people!
    The GOP needs a leader to take charge of this issue, and get rid of the damn flag.
    What an opportunity!
    Sure, they’d lose some votes, but the gains…
    (Too bad it will never happen.)

  • Politics_Nerd

    #AmericanSwastika

  • guppy06

    “I think they’re going to have a good healthy debate and should have
    that debate in South Carolina amongst officials at the state level,”
    Walker told reporters after his dinner speech at the “Road to Majority”
    conference.

    On, Wisconsin!

    Yet another Northern conservative tripping all over themselves to dishonor their own war dead by protecting the ones that killed them.

  • Callyson

    Yeah, these are the strong leaders we need in the White House…

    • Mehmeisterjr

      If I see the word “charismatic” applied to Rubio I might just [the remainder of this rant omitted in keeping with commenting rules.]

      • guppy06

        “Charismatic” in the snake-handling sense.

  • Spotts1701

    This is one of the actual flags of the Confederacy. The cloth these dopes are arguing about is General Lee’s battle flag, one that wasn’t even widely used as a “Confederate symbol” until nearly 90 years after Lee surrendered.

    • Mehmeisterjr

      So the beloved stars and bars is more like a trademark for modern racists. That’s fitting.

  • Ergoetal

    I’m amused how these folks are so good at using fancy words to mask creepy thinking — words like “clearly,” or “passions,” “evoked by this debate,” and on and on.

    My step father was a mechanic all his life, and had little education. But he knew people. When he met someone who was a bit too slick, he’d say “He’s a good talker.”

  • AnOuthouse

    ‘Southern Heritage’ is basically ‘act like children’. They couldn’t get their way in 1861 so wanted to take their ball and go home. Its fitting that they use something divisive for the sake of pissing off other people. Just like some spoiled children would.

    • Technically, they weren’t even whining about any attempt to mess with slavery; they were just whining about the fact that the guy they hated won the Prez election, fair and square. California or New York would have had better cause to secede in 2000.

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    “I would say that these are decisions that should be made by people.”

    Yep, that would be a big improvement over decisions made by a rutabaga.

  • Kat Anyperson

    Gotta “love” the morons framing the flag of the confederacy as a states rights issue by referring it back to the people of the state.

    The flag is offensive on numerous levels. That’s why they keep it.

    • Blank Ron

      It allows them to pretend that they have a ‘glorious history’ instead of being a bunch of asshole traitorous losers.

      • BackDoorMan

        … see also ‘Civil War’ (oxymoron alert!) re-enactments where Da’ South always wins.

        • Blank Ron

          Which was a plot point in a ‘Rocky & Bullwinkle’ story, as I recall.

    • SullivanSt

      It’s completely consistent with the history of states rights arguments: the only states right they ever gave a flying fuck about was their right to own human beings as property. The Fugitive Slave Act was an outrageous offense to the concept of states rights, but the South sought vigorously to maintain and enforce it.

  • That_got_me_thinking

    Well. Well. Turns out that Uncle Sugar Huckabee once had a love affair with the same hate group that inspired Roof to kill. I think we can take everything he has to say on this issue with a big old racist grain of salt.

  • Relativicus

    And here’s an article about Justice Gosnell who adjudicated the Roof arraignment and pled for sympathy for the Swiss Family Roof:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3132109/Outrage-Charleston-judge-tells-relatives-church-shooting-victims-SYMPATHIZE-killer-s-family-revealed-reprimanded-using-n-word-court.html

    There’re lots of stories like it but I picked the Daily Mail because I think it’s funny they’re forced to cover this story straight.

  • tiredofdogma

    The official rationale in 1962 for the confederate flag being raised over the SC State House was that it was part of a celebration of the 100th anniversary of the war of northern aggression. Why did they keep it then, when the celebration was over? Because it is the symbol of South Carolina leading the traitorous secession from the USA on the basis of slavery (see South Carolina Declaration of Causes of Secession).
    Note that in 1983, South Carolina was the only state not to recognize Martin Luther King’s birthday as a mandatory holiday, in defiance of President Reagan. Since that time, South Carolina has mandated a Confederate Memorial Day to balance their acceptance of MLK day holiday.

    • Relativicus

      Per Chait (I think) it was raised in 1961 as a part of the national commemoration of the centennial of the start of the war. The 1862 date was the date legislation was approved for its raising. It was originally intended to be up for a couple days, then for a year through the legislation. Apparently that law included no end date, and some decided it served as a nice doody stick in the eye of the Civil Rights Movement. Then nobody saw any reason to take it down. And many nobody’s still see no reason to take it down, what with their awesome heritage of treason and slavery, I mean “states’ rights”, and stuff.

  • Rocky

    Santorum: I would say that these are decisions that should be made by people.

    Wow, kind of having to agree with that. Not dogs, horses, or spiders. People. Good.

  • Bitter Scribe

    How mealymouthed can you get.

  • Boscoe

    Good thing I’m not running, because My response when I first heard about this was: “Whaaaat? They fly that damn traitor flag OVER THEIR CAPITOL BUILDING? What are they, fucking imbeciles? How is that even a thing?”

    • SullivanSt

      Not over their capitol building, right next to it, because “compromise”. Only it’s statutorially prohibited from being flown at anything but full mast, so when every other flag in the state is flown at half mast because of the heinous crime someone committed under the inspiration of everything the traitor flag represents, it flew proudly embodying ignorance, hatred and bloodshed.

      • Boscoe

        Oh! I get it now, Capitol Building ADJACENT was the “compromise”. Thanks for the info.

  • SullivanSt

    If South Carolina wants to celebrate their South Carolina-ness, the Palmetto flag is perfectly lovely. If they want to celebrate their American heritage, the stars and stripes is ideally suited.

    The only heritage that is represented uniquely by the confederate battle flag is loving slavery so much they went to war against the United States to preserve it. And these motherfuckers think they’re in a position to lecture us about love of country and freedom?

  • jesus christ that list is NEVER ENDING and utterly foul.

  • TheBidenator

    While conservatives may not have a race problem (a dubious claim at best) they do clearly have a racist problem so here’s some advice: tell them to take it down you intestinal parasites and FFS yes you as a federal candidate have every right to take a position on this not only for moral reasons and patriotic reasons but also because this hideous symbol affects groups of people nationwide. If you want us to stop referring to you as racist pigs, stop kowtowing to racists! Also, since you’ve been calling yourselves the “let’s get tough on” party since the 1960’s then it’s time to prove you can be tough to your own wingnut base….put up or shut up, Republicans.

    • Aussie Tory

      I’d like a portal to this alternate reality where Republicans advocate white interests. Sounds like a breath of fresh air.

    • Aussie Tory

      I’d like a portal to this alternate reality where Republicans advocate white interests. Sounds like a breath of fresh air.

  • cessnadriver

    The State of South Carolina took the opportunity the day after the Charleston massacre to fly the US flag in a position inferior to the phony “rebel” flag.

    All you need to know about the South.

  • LegionOfDo

    Any state choosing to display the confederate flag is officially endorsing racism. To spin it and say they are “remembering their heritage” or some other bull is still endorsing racism at the state level. I suppose it is their right to do so, but it is the right of the rest of us to view it for exactly what it is.

    • cessnadriver

      The “heritage” lasted about 4 years-4 years of failure and defeat. All in a support of a reprehensible cause.

    • WehoScott

      And besides, it really comes down to this, IMO: if it offends a sizable chunk of your population, remove it from public property. Period. You can still have the debate over what the flag means, but if that many people are upset then remove it. We’re not talking about that redneck neighbor’s porch down the street. The 1st amendment protects his right to fly the Confederate flag. But the State Capitol grounds? BIG difference. And for the record, LegionOfDo I agree with you, but I think it’s an even simpler issue.

  • ryp

    Rubio, Walker and Cruz’s responses perfectly reflect their weaknesses as candidates. Whenever Rubio doesn’t have a prepared response he just talks in circles hoping people lose interest before he risks offending them, Walker has figured out it’s best not to have a response until he’s gone back to his handlers and has been told what he’s supposed to say, and Cruz is incapable of saying anything without being a complete dick about it.

  • malsperanza

    Well, as predicted, the entire GOP field is going to say “My opinion isn’t relevant; that’s for the voters to decide” on every single topic facing the nation between now and November 2016.

    Excellent; that should work really well.

  • Reddishrabbit

    Glad to see the party of Lincoln standing up against the flying of the traitors flag their party fought so hard to crush and bring liberty to all.
    Now, I’ll go read the article, I’m sure I’ll be pleased.

    • Charles Martel (CTRSSC)

      I’m proud of the my ancestors treason. Just like I am proud of my traitor ancestors that rebelled against England and their king. Rebels are traitors, this is true.

      • retona4

        Good to know, skinhead troll.

    • Awhite Mann

      If Lincoln wanted the confederate battle flag to be banned he would have had it banned after he defeated the confederates.

  • Pugsandcoffee

    Thanks for writing this article but I couldn’t even read it because there’s only so much shit smeared across a screen I can handle in a day.

  • JoeChristmas

    Talk about your false flag operation.

  • retiredeng

    It appears that the entire bunch of lily livered, yellow belly cowards are running for president of The Confederacy.

  • gehrig fry

    It’s People, People! Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. Flags don’t kill people, people kill people. Governments don’t oppress people. People oppress people.
    If people can’t have people, only people will have people.

    There should be a ban on ’em!

  • SK

    So when will Willard refudiate Brigham Young, Mark E. Petersen, and Joseph Fielding Smith? We’ll get to the horny bastard founder later.

  • Poly_Ester

    A Nazi war memorial would be perfect replacement for the stars and bars.

    • UnCL3

      I’m for it.

  • Donna Rail

    That shitty war got 600,000 people killed (200,000 Southerners and 400,000 Northerners). Flying that flag today is like waving a picture of dead bodies.

    • Bowtie and Fedora

      You’re talking about the United States flag, right? Because it was the US that invaded the Confederacy and started the war.

      • retona4

        Ignoring history, troll?

        • Charles Martel (CTRSSC)

          ignoring your dad’s broken ankles, heretic

          • retona4

            Glad to know you can’t back up your troll buddy’s lies.

          • Charles Martel (CTRSSC)

            glad to know you don’t deny your fathers broken ankles as a punishment for your heresy, heretic

          • retona4

            Making garbage up about me is the job of my impersonators. Any one of them should be here any second.

          • Charles Martel (CTRSSC)

            It was your fault your parents got a divorce.

          • retona4

            I need a bib to eat spaghetti.

          • retona4

            “glad to know you don’t deny your fathers broken ankles as a punishment for your heresy, heretic”

            Also, I only have one father. Making up people will only ruin your lies as always.

          • Charles Martel (CTRSSC)

            Repent of your heresies and you won’t get butthole cancer too.

          • retona4

            I am actually a hatchling.

      • Donna Rail

        No. The south broke away from the Union and started the war. How did a troll get onto this thread?

        Besides, I was talking about the death toll. Learn how to read.

        • Bowtie and Fedora

          The South didn’t declare any war. They didn’t want a war. The North forced that. What the fuck is wrong with you that I have to explain this?

          • Donna Rail

            You’re a right-wing troll.

          • Bowtie and Fedora

            Can’t stand disagreement?

    • SomaAddict

      The real point here is how many innocents were killed under the US flag. It is even more a racist symbol of death the confederacy.

      • Donna Rail

        No.

    • SomaAddict

      The real point here is how many innocents were killed under the US flag. It is even more a racist symbol of death the confederacy.

  • WehoScott

    Mr. Candidate: Should South Carolina bring back slavery? “Well, I wouldn’t think it’s a good idea but that’s up to the people of South Carolina to decide.” (yes I know the US Constitution forbids slavery but I’m making a point. It’s NOT always just “up to the people of that state to decide.” There are things that transcend states’ rights).

    • Awhite Mann

      “There are things that transcend States’ rights.”
      True, but this is not one of those things.

      • retona4

        True, but you skinhead trolls never succeed.

        • Awhite Mann

          Remind me again what we’re trying to do.

          • retona4

            Find the brain of Hitler and house it in a Mark V battle body complete with jet boots and destructo-beam eyes?

  • H0mer0

    Funny how all of them leave the flag issue up to the people of South Carolina while all still want to dictate what a woman can do with her own body.

    • sillyclucker

      Oh, excellent point! I’m so stealing that!

      • H0mer0

        please do! and make it viral !

      • UnCL3

        “Wow, just WOW!”
        -sillyCUCKer

    • Bowtie and Fedora

      You’re equating a flag to murder?

      • Awhite Mann

        The States make their own laws about what murder is and is not. There is no reason why abortion shouldn’t be a State issue as well.

        • retona4

          There is no reason why Awhite Mann, UnCL3, Bowtie and Fedora, and Charles Martel should be allowed to continue to comment on Wonkette.

          • SomaAddict

            I agree I don’t know where they all came from, but they are part of the problem .

          • retona4

            Angolans ARE the problem.

          • Aussie Tory

            Your fascist impulses are quite frightening.

          • Retina4

            Are you some kind of skinhead troll who suppresses contrasting opinions?

          • retona4

            Like how your moderator friends over at TheRightStuff banned me, troll?

          • Retina4
          • retona4

            Too bad you’re stupid enough to use my impersonator’s account as “proof.”

          • Retina4

            The skinhead troll is reduced to name-calling yet again.

          • retona4

            Skinhead troll!

          • retona4

            I confess, that was me.

          • retona4

            I am not banned at TRS, but one comment will spark the Angolan genocide.

      • retona4

        Coming from the traitor, that’s hilarious.

      • H0mer0

        it isn’t murder if they aren’t living outside a woman’s body. But yes, flags are powerful symbols, otherwise people wouldn’t have such a hard-on for them.

        • Bowtie and Fedora

          “It isn’t murder if [insert lame excuse to absolve person of responsibility].” A fetus has a distinct set of DNA, can be removed from the mother, basically functions on its own, just with nutrients being set directly to it. Life, more or less.

          • H0mer0

            It does not function on its own, that’s the point. It is a parasite until birth. You can’t just insert an IV line into it and feed it nutrients and have it survive ex-utero. You don’t seem to express as much concern in the distinct sets of DNA once outside the mother’s body, whereas I do, as a physician who cares for people regardless of race, political or religious affiliation. Your sophistry means nothing to me. Stop trolling me.

          • Bowtie and Fedora

            You know what else doesn’t function on its own? A baby. Take a baby into the woods and see how long it lasts.

            You (supposedly) being a physician qualifies you to treat people for ailments and talk about the physical functions of the body. It does not give you any sort of moral authority, and you’ve already shown that you’re failing at that.

          • H0mer0

            I never claimed to be a moral authority as I have little use for that, but I do know about physiology. A healthy infant can survive outside their mother’s body for at least an hour without being attached. A fetus cannot survive like that. I’m done with your trolling. Bye!

    • Awhite Mann

      I agree. That should also be a State issue.

      • H0mer0

        as a physician, I don’t think the state belongs in the exam room.

        • Awhite Mann

          That’s nice.

    • UnCL3

      If I had my way, women wouldn’t be allowed to vote.
      Neither would anyone else who after deductions etc., didn’t pay incometaxes the year prior to elections.
      There. I said it.

      • retona4

        If you had your way, women would be raped daily to remind them of their place in your sick view of the world..

        • Awhite Mann

          Stop projecting your sick fantasies onto others.

          • retona4

            Says the proud member of TheRightStuff. Tell us all how often you skinheads advocate for those you hate to be burnt to death.

          • Awhite Mann

            Only when they deserve it.

          • retona4

            Which, in your deranged beliefs, is always due to them not being WASPs like yourself and the others.

          • Awhite Mann

            Are we skinheads or WASPs? Make up your mind.

          • retona4

            Both.

          • Awhite Mann

            Do you even know what those things are?

          • retona4

            Yes. It’s what you and almost all of the “TRSEF” are.

          • Awhite Mann

            WASP stands for “Wealthy Anglo-Saxon Protestant.” Historically considered to be the ruling class/culture of the United States. Skinhead culture is typically working class.

          • retona4

            Denying, are we? Everyone knows that the W in WASP stands for white.

          • Awhite Mann

            No, dumbass. “White Anglo-Saxon” would be redundant.

          • retona4

            No, you’re denying what everyone knows.

          • Awhite Mann

            I looked it up and apparently I was wrong. You win this round, skinhead troll!

          • retona4

            Skinheads always win!

          • retona4

            It stands for Wetback.

          • Charles Martel (CTRSSC)

            was your dad a skinhead when he went through kemo?

        • UnCL3

          damn straight

        • Retina4

          That’s disgusting, you skinhead troll. Flagged.

          • retona4

            I’m sorry. I didn’t choose to be a skinhead, I was born this way. Don’t judge my lifestyle and try and tear me down with your hateful words. Tolerance. Tolerance.

      • SomaAddict

        Everyone should be allowed to vote except anti-progressives. Women are the core of our society. Without them conservative masculinity would run rampant like it did in the racist 1800s. Thankfuly reason had prevailed and we are all better off.

    • Charles Martel (CTRSSC)

      The only choice a woman should have is lights on or off.

      • retona4

        The only choice Charles Martel should have is leaving or getting banned.

        • retona4

          I slip in puddles of my own drool.

    • SomaAddict

      I agree the time has come to silence them. They don’t want to be part of our future. We should show them the door. Racism, sexism and hatred have no part in our society.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    Court ruling that white wing christo-facsist local government can’t put a creche scene on city hall grounds equals war on christian religion. White wing nut kid goes into a black christian church where members are engaged in studying religious texts and he maniacally murders 9 members and that is only ‘an accident”, an “incident”, “unfortunate.” Why aren’t we hearing about the extreme right’s war on christianity?

    • SomaAddict

      I agree the extreme right does nothing but bully people into their way of thinking. These people should be shut up. I’ve always held the first amendment sacred but these people are ruining our future. How can we have a progressive culture with these people inserting their ugly heads!

  • mtn_philosoph

    I wonder what the Republican Party presidential candidate in 1864 would have said about this issue? I am sure that it must have been a topic of debate even back then. It is beyond weird to hear prominent members of the modern Republican Party defending the iconography of the secessionists. So much for their claim of being the party of Lincoln.

    • Bowtie and Fedora

      Today’s Republican is yesterday’s Democrat and today’s Democrat is yesterday’s Republican. It shouldn’t be that hard to get.

      • retona4

        Today’s trolls in residence are Bowtie and Fedora and UnCL3.

        • Aussie Tory

          Quoth the arch-skinhead troll himself.

          • Charles Martel (CTRSSC)

            that retona4 guy posts racist crap all over the internet, then acts like it wasn’t him…smh

          • Aussie Tory

            I heard he was part of the scene from day one. An original disciple of Ian Stuart Donaldson.

          • retona4

            Who?

          • Aussie Tory

            You. I’ve seen the racist comments you post on websites of ill repute.

          • retona4

            Have you seen my Eva Braun blow up doll?

          • Aussie Tory

            No. Getting an invite to your hate bunker is notoriously difficult. I hear only those who have earned red laces for their boots may enter.

        • retona4

          I got raped in the hood when I tried to reach out and help.

    • Mr. Platinumberg

      Abraham Lincoln? He’d probably be wondering why there are still black people in America, dismayed that the country wasn’t able to rally around his cause of repatriation in the wake of his assassination.

      • SomaAddict

        It’s actually upsetting to me that more people don’t know what a racist Abraham Lincoln really was. We won’t ever wash ourselves clean of this terrible stain until the day we confront ALL of our racist past. These Americans weren’t heroes they were oppressors!

        • Awhite Mann

          What’s oppressive about giving former slaves their own country?

          • SomaAddict

            But we didn’t help them set their country up properly! If we physically removed them to Africa like we did in Liberia and didn’t give them the money and knowledge to be successful we would be so complicit in their failure- just like we are in Detroit. That’s just another racist way of viewing the world.

          • retona4

            Wait a second. Maybe every black man should be assigned a White mentor!

          • retona4

            What’s not idiotic about changing what the W stands for in WASP?

          • Awhite Mann

            Come on, man. That was a simple mistake. Not sending all of the blacks to Africa when they had the chance? that was idiotic.

      • mtn_philosoph

        Oh yes, please DO change the subject and replace it with your own “what if” version of history.

  • Lev Bronshtein

    Meanwhile, at Amazon, these fine flags are for sale, a regime / ideology that slaughtered maybe 100,000,000. At least it wasn’t racist!
    https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/2192/3340/original.jpg?w=800&h

    • Aussie Tory

      But it was all about love, maaaaaaan.

    • mtn_philosoph

      SQUIRREL!

    • retona4

      They had to slaughter those people because they were bad and did not believe in the glorious revolution.

      • Lev Bronshtein

        They had it coming to them!

  • Retina4

    If Republicans and Democrat agree that the flag should come down, it should.

    • Meowschwitz

      They should compromise just bring it down 3/5 of the way.

    • Meowschwitz

      Like OMG. Wow just wow!

      Are you implying our egalitarian democracy is like the empire in star wars and the confederacy is the underdog?

      How can that be? Southerners are white! WHITE! And Christian and racist. White self respect is always bad!

      My brain hurts from looking at this
      Wow. I can’t even..
      .

      • retona4

        White people are racist scumbags who should be crossbred out of existence. Treason to Whiteness is loyalty to humanity!

    • retona4

      I love it! A swastika would be nice in the center as well.

    • retona4

      You spit on that symbol at the center.

  • Sam Hain

    Confederates…the old ISIS.

    • A daesh asshole by any other name is still a daesh asshole.

  • Good lord, why is there so many of these fartknockers running for president?! Do any of them really think their supposed god wants them to run as a candidate or has all the drugs they do finally started causing their brains (or lack there of) to melt?

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