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He's just a fan of the vibrant dialogue guaranteed by the First Amendment

In what’s expected to be a terrific day for both the First and Second Amendments, several hundred armed idiots are expected to show up for a rally and “Draw Muhammad Cartoon Contest” outside a mosque in Phoenix Friday evening. The event’s Facebook page emphasizes that while the rally should be “PEACEFUL,” it would also be a terrific idea for attendees to “utilize there [sic] second amendment right at this event just incase [sic] our first amendment comes under the much anticipated attack.”

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The announcement wasn’t clear on whether participants in the “art” portion of the event would have to bring their own crayons.

The event’s organizer, Jon Ritzheimer — the gent with the classy t-shirt up top — chose the Islamic Community Center as the most logical site for an anti-Islam rally because the two idiots who attacked Pam Geller’s Hate-Islam event in Texas attended the Phoenix mosque for a time, proving that everyone at the mosque is a terrorist, or at least “known acquaintances” of terrorists.

Ritzheimer told TV station KPNX that he’s really quite the expert on Islam:

“I want this to be about pushing out the truth about Islam,” said Jon Ritzheimer. “I’ve read the Koran three times… the ones flying the planes into the tower, those are Muslims following the book as it is written.”

By “read the Koran three times,” we’ll just assume he means he’s read at least three websites about the scariest verses in the book.

The current version of the Facebook announcement has removed a previous version’s invitation for bikers to attend, but not to gather in a nearby restaurant’s parking lot. It’s almost as if bikers have a less than stellar reputation for some reason.

Ritzheimer also went on CNN to tell Anderson Cooper that he’s a whole lot like the signers of the Declaration of Independence, and that Islam Very Bad, although he had some difficulty explaining why, if Islam’s so awful, he proudly served as a Marine in Iraq in support of an Islamic government — he’s quite sure that “true Islam” is terrorism, but that U.S. support of Iraq and Afghanistan both is and is not supporting terrorism, maybe? He was just following orders. Ritzheimer’s glassy-eyed responses to Cooper are pretty classic:

Best moment: Cooper asks if Ritzheimer is “playing into the narrative of ISIS, of Al Qaeda, which is basically trying to say there is a war between Islam and the West,” and the Brave Marine quickly answers “sure.” But then he insists that he doesn’t believe in actually doing war against anyone, except they started it, what with all the terrorisms. FREEDOM!

The president of the Islamic Community Center, Usama Shami, told KPNX that he’s OK with free speech, even the stupid kind: “Everybody has a right to be a bigot. Everybody has a right to be a racist. Everybody has a right to be an idiot,” he said. He also explained that he’s advised members of the mosque to attend Friday prayers as they normally would, and to ignore the doofuses:

“It will be the same as every Friday evening and we’re going to tell our members what we’ve told them before: not to engage them,” said Shami. “They’re not looking for an intellectual conversation. They’re looking to stir up controversy and we’re not going to be a part of it.”

This may be very disappointing to the guys outside with all the guns, who are by no possible stretch of the imagination itching for a fight. A representative of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), Imraan Siddiqi, told CNN that mosques in the Phoenix area have “received threatening letters — very specific threats, saying that we are going to massacre your congregations.” Organizers of the rally have, of course, condemned the threats … oh, actually, no, they haven’t. Why would they? The Muslims started it, after all.

Siddiqi said he was troubled by the “intersection of Islamophobia and gun culture” the rally represents. Siddiqi also said that his group was “advising people … it’s better to stay clear from the event, don’t engage with these people,” which is exactly the sort of violent rhetoric you’d expect from someone who believes in a book that tells people to fly planes into buildings.

[CNN / RawStory / KPNX / Bridge Initiative / “Freedom of Speech Rally Round II” on Facebook / Mediaite]

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  • Nounverb911

    “Everybody has a right to be a bigot. Everybody has a right to be a racist. Everybody has a right to be an idiot,”
    Winning quote of the day!

    • BadKitty904

      Which of the Founding Fathers was he quoting there?

      • Nounverb911

        AOT,K?

      • Mehmeisterjr

        Maybe he meant the founding fathers of the Bandidos and the Cossacks.

      • Monsieur_Grumpe

        Trump I think.

      • Boscoe

        Ammoham Haterson? He wasn’t one of the popular ones …

    • baconzgood

      I think it needs to be put to music.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      One can think whatever one wants to.

      It’s acting on those thoughts where the conflict comes in.

      • LaylaOhGee

        “The right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose,” or something like that, said someone I don’t remember.

        • Blank Ron

          Can’t recall either, but I believe it was somebody with a big bandage over their shnozz.

    • marxalot

      Your freedom to speak is balanced by my freedom to not listen, also, too.

      • Blank Ron

        That’s where it falls apart, of course. The bigger the idiot, the more he/she thinks their words must be heard.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      He must read Wonkette! Oh, no, wait, he didn’t say A Idiot. My mistake.

  • Iron Monkey

    Siddiqi said he was troubled by the “intersection of Islamophobia and gun culture”

    That would be a Venn diagram with only one circle.

    • Lot_49

      Yeah, no fun to hate on “the Japs” or “the Jerries” or “the Gooks” anymore. Just so there’s someone to hate–that’s all that matters.

      • Boscoe

        Without all that hate they’d be left with nothing but time for introspection and self awareness…

        • willi0000000

          they would hate that.

          • H0mer0

            to paraphrase Rob Riggle on The Daily Show after a DeNiro-esque montage (ala Cape Fear) : “I’d rather have my hate, it’s always been there for me!”

      • aureolaborealis

        What? The Hun gets no love anymore?

  • SK

    It’d be worthwhile if a Muslim took up the art contest, and his drawing of Mo resembled a Jesus being sodomized by another character that vaguely resembled Obama.

  • Nounverb911
  • JohnR

    This is not free speech this is an attempt to incite and should be treated as such. At the very least move the maroons to a “Free Speech Zone” out of range of gunfire.

    • willi0000000

      “…out of range of gunfire.”

      ten miles is a nice round number.

  • Blueb4sunrise
  • FauxAntocles

    Since an intellectual discussion requires two intellects…

  • goonemeritus

    You can almost imagine Jesus looking up from cleaning his
    Glock and smiling approvingly.

    • JustPixelz

      That sounds like a good cartoon. But put a gay wedding cake in the background with a half-eaten slice next to Jesus.

      • goonemeritus

        That Jesus guy sure is hard to profile.

  • baconzgood

    What could go wrong arming a bunch mouth breathing racist pin heads.

    • Nounverb911

      Everything?

      • Logic of Color

        Naw, it’ll be fine. Unless, of course, many of them are carrying guns.

    • D_C_Wilson

      Every day in Texas.

      • Nounverb911

        Texans are busy at the moment building Arks.

        • Iron Monkey

          Orcs?

        • Boscoe

          Don’t worry, they’ll never make it past the “trying to find a tape measure that’s in cubits” stage…

        • laineypc

          I am sorry to say it but what those Arizona idiots need is a good natural catastrophe to knock some reality into them.

          • jmk

            Not yet, please. Not until the offspring returns home from his dad’s house…three weeks from now.

  • Callyson

    Ritzheimer also went on CNN to tell Anderson Cooper that he’s a whole lot like the signers of the Declaration of Independence

    Anderson Cooper’s expression at the 0:58 mark, just after this asshole made that comparison, is pure gold…

  • BadKitty904

    In re: this Copper State dumbfuckery, I’ll pitch in the obligatory “It’s not the heat, it’s the stupidity” comment…

    • marxalot

      Someone has to. Upfist for doing the decent thing.

      • BadKitty904

        It’s a dirty job, but…

    • Lot_49

      But there really shouldn’t be cities in AZ. I mean, WTF, where’s the water going to come from, Colorado?

      • H0mer0

        “Restore our fortunes, LORD, as streams renew the desert.” (Psalm 126:4)
        (anyone think I’m making an allegory here?)

  • BadKitty904

    What kinda name is “Ritzheimer”? Sounds kinda…furrin

    • Isn’t there a disease that causes a lot of cognitive deficits with that name?

      • Nounverb911

        You’re thinking of Reagan’s Disease.

        • BadKitty904

          Oliver North?

      • Iron Monkey

        I think it is a rash that is really hard to get rid of.

        • Everhope

          The heartbreak of psoriasis?

      • SigDeFlyinMonky

        We was on a cattle drive once and ritzheimer infected the whole remuda.

      • H0mer0

        I can think of a bunch : Wernicke-Korsakoff (from chronic alcoholism and thiamine deficiency)–oh wait, those are Czech and Russian
        Uh, Wegner’s granulomatosis and Reiter’s syndrome have been renamed because apparently Doktors Wegner and Reiter were Nazis. (Eponyms are not all that helpful anyway except to torment medical students and radiologists, the latter deserving it because they torment the housestaff.)

    • data_ninja

      Shaved head as well, like a certain bunch of other people…

    • Kakkeltje

      It’s a German name. You know who else had a German name?

      • BadKitty904

        John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt?

        • Boscoe

          Uwe Boll?

        • Blank Ron

          His name is my name too!

      • PubOption

        J. D. Ehrlichman? H. R.Haldeman?

        Or, on a different tack, John Deutschendorf (a.k.a. John Denver)?

      • PubOption

        Sepp Blatter

      • Iron Monkey

        Colonel Klink?

      • JohnBull

        Doesn’t matter. Nobody who speaks German could be an evil man.

      • Amy!

        Kant remember, sorry.

    • H0mer0
  • JohnR

    I was uneducated when I was over there now I’m educated and am a fully qualified idiot.

    • Boscoe

      It takes focus and dedication to become that stupid…

  • The apoplexy that would ensue if Muslims held a Draw Jesus rally outside an evangelical church on a Sunday…!

  • Ricky Gay

    he seems …stupid

    • Villago Delenda Est

      That’s a pretty mild adjective, but essentially correct, in my opinion.

      • Boscoe

        it’s a start, anyway…

  • Angry_Cop

    I, too, read the Koran. English from the original Arabic, of course, but it was the best translation available at the time. Read it multiple times. It is boring as hell (some nice poetry) and brain-hammeringly repetitive like few other works of literature I’ve read. But urging people to fly airplanes into occupied buildings was not in there. Quite sure about that.

    • anniegetyerfun

      Seriously, dullest book EVER.

      • Angry_Cop

        It really is. I mean, I’ve never read a religious tome that qualified as a real-page turner, but the Koran is, at it’s best, a sure-fire cure for insomnia. Kind of like Twilight or Fifty Shades.

        But hey, more power to the fans, I guess they get what they need out of it. Just not my cup of tea.

        • anniegetyerfun

          True, most religious texts are slow going. My guess is that most adherents have never read them.

          • SigDeFlyinMonky

            For most people those books are like software licensing text. Nobody reads the whole thing, they just click “I agree.”

          • data_ninja

            For people that do that, I often tell them ” ‘EULA’ agree to anything without reading it!”

          • Blank Ron

            VERY well put, sirrah!

          • Blank Ron

            As is generally known, the Catholic Church was dead set against the Bible being translated into vernacular languages, to prevent people from reading it even if they wanted to. Perhaps they were afraid that if people knew what it actually said they’d want a word or two with the clergy?

        • SuspectedDemocrat

          You can’t appreciate the old testament until you’ve read it in the original Klingon.

      • Doug White

        Sorry to say, but most religious texts are… try reading The Upanishads without a half-dozen shots of ‘Full Throttle’….

        • H0mer0

          One of my favorite passages of the Bhagavad Gita speaks about a state of yoga in which one does no work and causes no work to be done which reminded me of my stoner friends from Berkeley and from “The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers.”

      • jmk

        Absolutely. It’s a freaking yawnfest.

        And frankly, if I want to read bragging, I’ll go with Beowulf, which at least has a more exciting storyline… all of that “see that over there? We did that! Ever heard of that? We did that!” stuff got right up my nose after a while.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Duller than “Atlas Shrugged”? No way.

        • anniegetyerfun

          OK, you might have a point. The Qur’an is less misogynistic, though.

    • deanbooth

      All men have heard of the Mormon Bible, but few except the “elect” have seen it, or, at least, taken the trouble to read it. I brought away a copy from Salt Lake. The book is a curiosity to me, it is such a pretentious affair, and yet so “slow,” so sleepy; such an insipid mess of inspiration. It is chloroform in print. If Joseph Smith composed this book, the act was a miracle — keeping awake while he did it was, at any rate.

      — Mark Twain

      • Angry_Cop

        Read that one too. Interesting from a literary standpoint; it reads like a fever-dream retelling of the action scenes from Bible by a 19th century semi-illiterate dirt farmer, which as it turns out is exactly the case.

        • PubOption

          And he was talking through his hat at time.

      • OneYieldRegular

        But that one at least has the best opening ever: a bunch of guys in a room creating a religion right out of their heads while tipsy.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          L. Ron Hubbard agreed!

        • SuspectedDemocrat

          Let he who is without gin cast the first tome.

          • Blank Ron

            *golf clap*

      • Blank Ron

        Boy, was he right. I actually read the bloody thing all the way through once. (I may have told this story already.) I could get through maybe one chapter before falling asleep. Some of the deepest sleep I’d had in years.

        • H0mer0

          Acts 2:17……your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

    • JohnBull

      Brain-hammering repetitive? But enough about Walt Whitman.

      • LaylaOhGee

        Now, now. Let’s leave Uncle Walt out of this.

        • Toomush_Infer

          Yeah, like grass has leaves….

    • H0mer0

      The Ramayana had airplanes or “pushpack aircraft” (when Rama and Sita were returning to Ayodhya from Lanka.) Mebbe they appropriated those along with the numerals. Granted, I didn’t read the original Sanskrit

  • D_C_Wilson

    he proudly served as a Marine in Iraq

    The Pentagon really needs to improve its psychological screening methods.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      They need warm bodies. Shit like that gets in the way.

      Also, too, guys like this are great to have in combat. Once they get back to the world, though, they tend to do things like join motorcycle gangs.

      • Lot_49

        Never been in ground combat but I’d rather have the person next to me be a rational, well-trained marksman in excellent condition than an angry anti-jehadi who empties his whole clip every time a leaf rustles.

        • Doug White

          Unfortunately that isn’t actually the choice available to us. The Real choice is whether we want a dozen angry anti-jehadis who empty their clips every time a leaf rustles, or only a half-dozen of those same angry dudes….

          • Smibo

            You go to war war with the harmy you have, not the harmy you’d wish to h… oh, fuck it. I can’t even.

  • Metadude

    Wow, Arizona out-Texased Texas!

  • Spotts1701

    See, the part where you tell people to bring guns to “protect” (i.e. brandish and bully those who complain about) your First Amendment actions is right up at that blurry line between “protected speech” and “implied threat”.

    • willi0000000

      they have aimed for that line and gotten up to 1000mph . . . they are now 3′ away from that line.

      all the brakes in the world aren’t going to alter the outcome now.

  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    Sharronnn Annggle must be so pleased that Second Amendment remedies are finally being implemented in Arizona.

  • Angry_Cop

    “Everybody has a right to be an idiot”

    See, that’s not in the constitution, and I’d like the legal system to get to work on this dire threat to society ASAP, thanks.

  • el_donaldo

    Maybe somebody should just found a Church of the Gun to draw off these turds like an open sewer?

    • Everhope

      Ewww…Would their version of the cross be an assault rifle made up of poopy parts?

  • say wha

    “I remember when my Dad told me as a kid, ‘If you want to catch a rabbit, stand behind a tree and make a noise like a carrot. Then when the rabbit comes by you grab him.’ Works pretty good until you try to figure out what kind of noise a carrot makes…”
    — Bob Ross (RIP)

  • JustPixelz

    “I’ve read the Koran three times… the ones flying the planes into the tower, those are Muslims following the book as it is written.”

    He ought to try reading the Bible once. Especially “love thy neighbor”, “do unto others”, “judge not”, and “The Lord will fight for you, and you have only to be silent.”.

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      Deep inside, they know the Bible is really bullshit.

      • Boscoe

        -But it makes a great excuse to be a raging asshole in public.

        • Blank Ron

          Oh, like they need an excuse.

    • chazmanr

      These individuals claim to be Christian, but they only recognize OT passages. The NT is for pussies with that “love thy neighbor” and rich people having as good of chance of getting into heaven as a camel walking through the eye of a needle crap. Their Jesus was a gun-toting badass who today would welcome the money changers into the temple and piss on lepers.

    • MrBlobfish

      I heard that if you read it three times, you automatically become Muslim.

      • PubOption

        Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse?

        • Blank Ron

          Wow, my beard’s grown FAST today.

    • Boscoe

      “Love thine enemy as thyself”?

      • willi0000000

        i am not going to jerk off my neighbor!

    • jangoodell

      Probably skips the Gospels cuz he doesn’t like the quotes in red.

    • JAWs

      Oh please! The only thing these type of people need a Bible for is to bash other people with it…which then outlived it’s usefulness when they discovered guns worked better.

  • Lot_49

    I’m tired of these people trying to ram their ammosexuality down my throat!

    And Usama Shami is reasonable enough to make you think that organized religion’s virtues might outweigh its vices.

  • JustPixelz

    Maybe the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a peaceful congregation.

  • Serolf Divad

    “Ritzheimer also went on CNN to tell Anderson Cooper that he’s a whole lot like the signers of the Declaration of Independence neo-Nazis who marked through Skokie…”

    There, fixed it for ya!

    • Mintie

      “marked”?

      • Blank Ron

        Some people call it marking territory, others call it poor bladder control.

    • H0mer0

      “I hate Illinois Nazis!”

  • Olav_Pompatus

    Is that a typo? Shouldn’t it be a “Piece-Full” protest?

  • SigDeFlyinMonky

    Are we sure they didn’t pick a Sikh temple?

  • SJLAW

    Da fuq? Doesn’t he and his dumbass friends have anything better to do on a Friday evening? Humping a cousin perhaps? Yoga? Grindr? Get a damn hobby losers–I paint and try new recipes, it really keeps the rage down!!

    • laineypc

      I am guessing keeping the rage down is not the goal with these folks.

      • Blank Ron

        Only so it can build up a bigger head of steam.

    • aureolaborealis

      Um, I think this is their hobby.

  • jviscont1

    Stalking mosques? I fondly look back to the times when Christians were happy with Friday Night ice cream socials.

    • w9anthimos

      Perhaps this situation could be diffused by holding a high stakes round of bingo nearby.

      • Mintie

        Muslims don’t gamble, and bingo–if you can believe it–is a type of gambling.

        • w9anthimos

          I was gonna invite all the open carry christians. Of course they would have to check their guns at the door. No one is required to attend of course.

  • RoyalUglyDude

    Because there’s no better way to show your commitment to tolerance than to bully a minority group at their own house of worship.

  • nightmoth

    Westboro Baptist eventually stopped showing up at events they said they would picket, and it was after they started getting outnumbered by counter protestors. Maybe instead of ignoring this, every single Christian church in Phoenix ought to send a dozen or so counter protestors over to protect the mosque. Yeah, like that’ll happen.

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      I agree with you. The problem is these morons have guns. Any type of counter protest could turn into a bloody massacre.

      • jangoodell

        Were I in Arizona, I would be willing to do just that. For America.

        • Rachel Book Harlot

          Thankfully, there were brave souls willing to go up against these morons: http://rt.com/usa/263401-arizona-mosque-islam-rally/

          There is hope.

          • nightmoth

            Yes–there is hope! Warmed my heart this morning to see pics of the counter-protesters.

    • Gristle McThornbody

      Yeah, they wouldn’t even have to be counter protesters, just folks willing to walk with the mosque members until they were safely inside their house of worship. This, from an atheist ⊙_ ⊙

    • jangoodell

      It could. Happened at the temple in Michigan or wherever. If I were in Phoenix, I would be working on that now.

  • I do wonder how the media or folks like this would react if protesters showed up at their place of worship with the express intention to burn bibles and deface pictures of Christ.

    • Boscoe

      This really, really needs to happen!

      • Blank Ron

        I wish I could agree with you, but we all know that the bullets would be flying within seconds of the event starting.

  • JMPesq

    Well there are a bunch of terrorists gathering at that Mosque! But, being a bunch of white bigots, the media will never call them terrorists.

    • Boscoe

      “Concerned citizens” I’m guessing. “Patriots” if you’re watching Glenn Beck or Hannity.

  • MrBlobfish

    I see something very bad happening, like a car backfiring or a gun accidently going off and the skinhead gang unloads on the mosque.

    • diogenez

      This will also conveniently provide much sought “proof” that ISIS has indeed invaded the homeland…

    • Blank Ron

      ‘Accidentally’?

  • OneYieldRegular

    Perhaps Mr. Ritzheimer will smash a few synagogue windows while he’s at it.

    • Captain Kraut

      It is, if history is any indication, the traditional way to end such a rally. And torches. Singing’s good, also too as well.

      • bozilingus

        Instead of Kristallnacht it will be more like Crystal Meth Nacht.

  • Siddiqi said he was troubled by the “intersection of Islamophobia and gun culture” the rally represents.

    Not just the rally…

    http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01757/mission-accomplish_1757225i.jpg
    ~

    • Angry_Cop

      Oh look. Teleprompters.

      • SuspectedDemocrat

        Time-traveling Obama strikes again!

    • OneYieldRegular

      Incidenticacallally, just where is that original banner now? Shouldn’t it be in the Smithsonian?

      • Blank Ron

        It SHOULD be in a dumpster somewhere, unless you’re planning a ‘History of Derp’ exhibit at the museum.

  • TundraGrifter

    The best thing everybody can do is ignore this idiot. DON’T give him the one thing he craves – PR. Pub. Ink. Block the sun and he will wither and die from neglect.

    • Boscoe

      THIS.

  • Brewerofbeers

    So he plans to terrorize and frighten innocent people because he feels that he has a right to not be frightened? That more or less sums up his inbred reasoning?

    • Boscoe

      Exactly, they’re going to show up heavily armed and bearing hateful misspelled signs en masse, at a place filled with families in order to protest terrorism. That’s about the level of intelligence one can expect from Teatardz.

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      I know, right? The “logic” there is astounding. I have to say kudos to Anderson Cooper for injecting some sanity to that insanity. He did a great job of exposing that dude’s warped logic.

    • jangoodell

      He also said he is having the rally because he is frightened by the threats his family has received since he announced the rally. Time traveler?

      • Brewerofbeers

        I missed that one. Good catch.

    • aloharob

      If his parents were married in Texas and divorced in Alabama are they still brother and sister? Enquiring minds want to know

  • chascates

    Deuteronomy 20:10-15:

    10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

    • Boscoe

      -But it doesn’t say anything about PLANES, so we’re totes goodguys. ;))

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      Wow. Travel abroad sure was different in those days.

    • proudgrampa

      Gee, that Lord your God fella seems nice.

    • Ryan Denniston

      “As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves.”

      Wonder if the Congressional Republicans would be interested in leading Jade Helm 15. They get to bang women, boys, farm animals, and embezzle.

      http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/06/gop-senator-did-indecent-things-with-animals.html

  • Karen Marie

    I spent over two hours on the phone yesterday trying to discover if these people have a permit and who gave it to them, or if they had permission from Denny’s to use their parking lot (Denny’s announced yesterday they will be closed on Friday from 4-7 pm “out of concern” for their customers). The Denny’s manager I spoke to became enraged I was asking the question and slammed down the phone. The mayor’s office, the police department, and six other departments I was transferred to could not answer the question of who, if anyone, hands out permits for rallies, demonstrations or other similar events. The public information office has not returned my call, nor has CAIR Arizona. Not sure how much more time, if any, I will spend chasing answers. I start to understand why journalists report so little accurate information – it is brutal trying to get any from the Phoenix city government.

    • Blank Ron

      Props for trying, anyway. I’d guess that your responses indicate that someone is trying VERY hard to cover up what they have finally realised is a remarkably stupid decision.

      • Axomamma

        No, I think Occam’s razor is at work here — people are idiots, especially people in Republican administrations, which is what we’re dealing with.

        • Blank Ron

          As in that corollary to Hanlan’s Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by being Republican?

        • empf

          Phoenix’s mayor is a democrat, FWIW

          • Karen Marie

            FFS

            I did make a couple more phone calls Friday but still no luck. My sense is there is no permit requirement unless you “plan to block a public way.” I guess, if you don’t explicitly say that’s your plan, you’re all set, even if there’s no way your event will not have that result.

    • Mintie

      What you need to do (regarding the city, that is) is basically trick the information out of them. Call them and play it like you’re representing an organization that wants to hold a parade, like “appreciate the Texas Bluebell” or something boring and innocuous like that. Then when they give you the right department, ask your real questions.

      • Axomamma

        I tried asking all different ways — including just generically “who hands out permits for rallies, demonstrations, other one-time events held on a public street.” That no one from the mayor’s office or the police department could refer me, or even tell me whether a permit is required at all, is bizarre.

        P.S. It’s me, but I’m posting from my laptop where my first comment was from my tablet. I like to keep everyone guessing. Hahahaha.

    • jmk

      I’m guessing that if you called to report that you saw someone who might be an illegal alien and you overheard them speaking Spanish, Sheriff Joe would be ON IT within minutes.

    • Kat Anyperson

      Got it! Thanks Arizona ACLU.

      In the City of Phoenix, permits may be obtained from the city manage (City Manager Office, Phoenix City Hall, 200 W. Washington St 12th Floor, AZ 85003).

      http://acluaz.org/sites/default/files/documents/protester_eng3b_0.pdf

      They don’t need permits if it’s just a few people, but I was unable to find the number for Phoenix. They MAY need special permits if their rally goes over a certain volume. They cannot block sidewalks and need the permission of businesses in order to protest on their property (probly why the asshole hung up, call corporate to complain).

      • Karen Marie

        I didn’t even think to call the ACLU. My bad. To my thinking, if a permit is required if sidewalks will be blocked, they should have been required to get one. Several streets ended up being shut down. If this were a protest involving DFHs, I would bet lack of a permit would have been an issue.

        • Kat Anyperson

          From what I read about the event and based on my own experience trolling… er …. protesting a certain litigious cult, if the police are on hand and don’t disperse the crowd, they have a permit. Usually the only way the police can disperse a crowd with a permit is if they violate noise ordinances, impede the flow of foot traffic or otherwise act as a public hazard (jaywalking, littering, incitement to violence etc)

          For anyone who would like to locate this information in the future, google your city (state if it doesn’t come up) name + “freedom of assembly” or “protest permits”. If you are still having problems after that, the ACLU is your best bet.

  • Treg Brown

    All I know is that if my gran was still with us, she’d march up to him and slap him in the face.
    I’m not sure if it would be slap with votes though.

  • Kat Anyperson

    Yes, they do have the right to be a racist asshole. One also has a right to stick their fingers in an electrical socket.

    Just because you CAN do a thing doesn’t mean it’s a smart thing to do.

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      Someone I know always posts this great graphic whenever some moron uses “freedom of speech” as a shield to promote their idiocy:

      • Bad Granny

        Can you give me a source for this? I don’t want to use it unless I can credit the creator.

        • Rachel Book Harlot

          Sure. :) It was created by Randall Munroe, xkcd comics: http://xkcd.com/1357/

          • Bad Granny

            TYVM!

        • anniegetyerfun

          You won’t have to worry about most people not recognizing his work.

      • Hardly Ideal

        Alt-text: “I can’t remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you’re saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it’s not literally illegal to express.”

        • Sam

          LOL. Love it.

    • Hardly Ideal

      My dad went off last week about liberals are hypocrites for forbidding people to drop N-bombs, citing First Amendment and all that.

      I can’t help but think that if your most sacred rights include Freedom to Be An Asshole, you might just need some better values.

      • Kat Anyperson

        Just remember the old joke about humans being deuterosomes. We all start out life as assholes. Not everyone makes it past that phase.

    • knarfisfraud

      Islam is not a race. These people are exercising their 1st amendment rights just as you are doing when you call them names. The 1st amendment exists for “hate speech”, it is not there to protect people’s right to say “Hello” or “Have a nice day”, although is does that as well. However, the purpose of this event is not to exercise their 1st amendment rights, it is to show people like yourself the true colors of Islam. When you host a “Draw Muhammed” event and two men show up with guns with the sole purpose of KILLING other human beings you blame the event planner? Try having a “Draw Jesus” event outside a church and the worst thing that would happen is that you are invited inside for coffee.

      • Kat Anyperson

        I am aware Islam is not a race, sunshine. I was throwing their word choice back at them.

        Christians commit violence against non-christians regularly. (Wonkette even runs stories on that very topic! Try getting out of the comment section and read the articles. ) Bigots and bullies come in all shapes, colors and religious denominations.

        Take your bias and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine. That’s where you pulled it from to begin with.

      • Jen_Baker_VA

        You never been to Texas have ya? I guarantee you stand outside one of their churches making fun of JC, you are gonna get a lot worse than being invited inside for coffee.
        However, you are right about one thing, and at least one of you wingnuts admit it: having these contests is NOTHING about free speech and all about provoking other idiots to start a fight.
        Like a 6 year old does.

      • Lefty Frizzell

        So you don’t think there’s a racial element to this? OK.

  • Rickyphoo

    Hey, can we have a God/Jebus cartoon contest, maybe in Kansas or Texas?

    • jmk

      Maybe someone in one of those states could organize a rally to dunk crucifixes in jars of pee and see how the Christianists react.

  • Lefty Frizzell

    I’m getting a vibe that most mainstream muslims really don’t give a shit about the cartoon thing.

  • Last Hussar

    Should there be a Gay Kiss In outside the church of these freedom lovers?

  • Ryan Denniston

    Why can’t these idiots just go back to coaling and commenting on local news sites?

  • Again, when’s the next trip to some other galaxy? I’d rather be alone than share a world with these idiots.

    • blaid droog

      not only does no one get out of here alive, there is no other way out of here.

  • laineypc

    Is there a place in the world that can be designated Itchingforafightistan where all problems will be solved with violence and only violence, violence for fun, and profit. Let the wahhoo gun nuts and terrorists join in solidarity to form such a country and let them go after eachother.

    • jangoodell

      Maybe like a hunger games sort of thing only with more “contestants”

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      I keep saying we need a thunderdome for fundamentalists. Shove them all in, lock the door, sell popcorn.

  • Bad Granny

    He used to be ignorant, now he’s just a idiot.

    • Blank Ron

      Is going from ‘ignorant idiot’ to ‘informed idiot’ a step up or a step down?

      • Bad Granny

        Even worse, he went from ignorant idiot to misinformed idiot.

  • aureolaborealis

    No doubt these proud hatriots would respect the Second Amendment rights of the U.S. citizens attending the mosque, specifically their right to show up to the prayer in question openly carrying ARs and AKs and what have you.

    • Mhael

      If I wasn’t 100% sure that wouldn’t cause some slack-jawed, white male terrorist to start shooting anywhere and everywhere, I’d love to see that happen.

  • Chode

    As a Jew, I support this protest by my native Aryan brothers against the Muslim trash.

    • Toomush_Infer

      I’m gonna give you the benefit of the doubt on this one, praying that it is the snark Wonkette so desires but will not let us comment on…..however….

      • NotALiar

        Feels legit to me. If it is snark, it’s not very funny.

        • Jen_Baker_VA

          It’s got to be snark. No person who is actually jewish would be all standing with Aryan’s…would they? Or if they do, they have to be the worst Jew in history class, having forgotten the entire early 1940’s and after when these same wingnuts were crying for them to get killed or go back to Israel.

          • cessnadriver

            There are gay republicans, Jewish republicans and black republicans, so there must be, by extension of logic, Hitler-loving Jews out there.

      • BlueBrownie

        I don’t trust people who hide their profile activity.

        • blaid droog

          you can do that?

  • Vecciojohn

    “They’re not looking for an intellectual conversation.” This guy is a true master of understatement.

  • viva_democracy

    We hate terrorists, therefore we will act like terrorists.

  • VandeGraf

    There was a Draw Jesus event outside the local Jesus the Holy Redeemer Baptist Church. The problem arose when it turned out that no one there could draw, and all the cartoons looked like Cy Twombly paintings. No one was offended, so it was a real waste of time. What good does it do to standard around drawing cartoons that don’t piss people off? It’s not like we’re still eight years old!

  • Toomush_Infer

    I hate to say it, but if he’s really looking for freedom, maybe he should just try turning the other cheek….

  • Me not sure

    God, but there’s a rich vein of snark to be mined here, but I fear doing so lest something go horribly wrong
    and I end up feeling guilty. Oh, the burden of a stupid conscience!

  • Bitter Scribe

    “We’re coming with GUNS to show you that your violence is wrong!”

    • knarfisfraud

      Still believe guns kill people, huh?

  • Electric Ukelele Land

    I’m sure Mr. Ritzheimer would be nothing but understanding if a group of Muslims stood outside his church with their guns.

    I hear next he’s going to cover himself with some raw meat and go poke a couple of tiger cubs in their den with a sharp stick to prove how dangerous tigers are.

    • Sam

      One could only hope.

      • sillyclucker

        I only wish that ALL religion was wiped off the face of the earth. This would eliminate most of the so called reasons for hating and killing and would raise the intelligence level worldwide.

        • Sam

          Why do you say that?
          Do you have data to support that claim or is it faith based? :)

    • NO MORE PC BS

      The muslims are already there. They have been there thanks to apologists like you who welcomed them with open arms. Drawing on a piece of paper should NEVER equal death threats.

  • Sam

    The interview really clears up the intelligent, reasoned out position these proud Americans hold.

  • Jen_Baker_VA

    God, it is Jen again.
    It would be utterly awesome if, in your infinite wisdom, you unleashed one of those floods you are trying to warn Texas with on Phoenix riiiggghhhttt after the praying people enter their building and are safe. Right about then would be awesome.
    It would be equally awesome if only about ten idiots showed up to this but I know, I know, you are God, not Q.
    Thanks,
    Jen

    • NO MORE PC BS

      So you support pedophiles and rapists who try to kill people for drawing a picture. Wow. Why don’t you volunteer to go first so you can set an example for all your liberal PC apologist friends.

      • bozilingus

        “So you support pedophiles and rapists who try to kill people by drawing a picture.”

        FIFY

  • anniegetyerfun

    From the CNN article:

    Phoenix police Chief Joe Yahner is personally involved in arranging public safety around the event, he told CNN affiliate KPHO.

    “There’s a lot of things in the works. The intelligence related to the crowd is changing all the time,” he said.

    Right. It’s getting lower.

  • mailman27

    There (sic) misunderstanding of the intent of the second amendment is only exceeded by there (sic) wildly inaccurate interpretation if the First.

  • Greg Fuderer

    and that one summer w read three shakespeares

  • Joy

    What does he keep looking at? It’s like Dick Cheney’s on his lap feeding him answers.

  • Paperless Tiger

    They had planes in the Koran?

    • YES! It was written in 1923 and was backdated to the 7th century as part of a Roman conspiracy. I think Fomenko said so.

  • Bob Harrow

    Speechless. Who the fck would live there???

  • cessnadriver

    So, if Christoboy had a family member killed for wearing cotton/poly blends like it says in the bible, he’d be OK with it…because, jeebus….

    Rite?

  • Cranky Man

    One of my Muslim pals tells me they have rednecks over there, on the Arab peninsula. Can’t remember the phrase he used but he said they too are proud to be ignorant.

  • cessnadriver

    Just read the news! The ‘phobes now have a biker gang showing up to their klavern! That always works out well.

  • Blender_415

    Joe Pinhead is a disgrace to the uniform he once wore. That is all.

    • BigDumbWhiteGuy

      Seconded.

  • Candy Apple

    Every time I have hopes for Arizona being decent, something like this happens.

    • Eva Porter

      I’m in Phoenix. There are a lot of people there right now who are counter-protesters in support of the Islamic community. Just like not all Muslims are terrorists, not all Arizonans are bigoted morons.

      • donttreadonme9

        and some believe in free speech you idiot. i will draw whatever i want. f u liberal twat.

        • blaid droog

          wonkette has three kings (that I know of), one of them is sure to use the banhammer because as everyone knows comments are not allowed.

          • NO MORE PC BS

            How pathetic that just a few words or a simple drawing can cripple an entire religious cult and their PC liberal supporters.

            The code of islam = Silence anyone who does not toe the line.

          • Gonna need a new banhammer after this mess…

          • nightmoth

            Jeez—Thx for putting us out of their misery.

        • Eva Porter

          And I’m very glad you’re exercising yours.

  • Joe Foran

    Whoever reads this: I advise you not to call anyone names, such as islamaphobe or homophobe and such. You better not.

    AZ is the best state in the union. If you dont think so then leave, I can help you with that…..now

    • Land Shark

      Foran rhymes with Moran …. or is my Snark-O-Meter® out of adjustment?

      • dshwa

        Flag profile pic is usually a giveaway for Not Snark. And a quick read of his comment history says it’s not.

        • Land Shark

          Hmmmm …. lots of posts on “RealClearPolitics” … mostly racist rants. Snark-O-Meter® working properly.

          Foran == Moran.

    • dshwa

      What’s your stance on “asshole?” Wide?

    • TheBidenator

      shut up, wingnut….we’ll call you Islamophobic assholes because that’s what you are and if you don’t like it, there are other sites you can take your butthurt to…

      • Anna Maria Perez

        YOU are the one afraid to stand up to them, that makes YOU the islamaphobe. Coward.

        • Rachel Book Harlot

          Right. And standing armed outside a mosque where innocent, peaceful, unarmed people are praying makes you oh-so-brave, right? God you’re stupid. I honestly hope you’re not breeding.

    • doktorzoom

      Aren’t you just the cutest deleted thing?

  • tbird90sc

    So anyone who doesn’t agree with a progressive has a phobia now. When a group of people pass the point of recovery there is only one thing left.

    • Kat Anyperson

      More like anyone who is a bigot has a phobia. Hatred is born of ignorance and fear.

  • donttreadonme9

    free speech is more important than offending someone.

    • blaid droog

      bush and cheney are war criminals and should be waterboarded at gitmo. is that speech free enough for ya?

      • Elizabeth

        Not a problem if you wish to ‘open your mouth’ & remove all doubt that you’re a moron suffering from BDS . . .

        • Kat Anyperson

          What part of that was stupid? Bush and Cheney did in fact violate the law of the land when they ordered torture. They also lied us into a war- one that filled Cheney’s pocketbook.

          Is that uncomfortable for you to discuss?

  • Anna Maria Perez

    It’s pretty STUPID to call them Islamaphobes, when they obviously aren’t scared of islam if they are holding their draw moooohamed contest right in front of a mosque. You libs need to figure out who the enemy is.

    • NO MORE PC BS

      You are spot on! The only islamaphobes are the liberal PC idiot apologists who pander to them because they are too scared to stand up to them.

      • Anna Maria Perez

        Bingo!

    • blaid droog

      we have met the enemy and he is us.

    • Elizabeth

      By definition a phobia is an irrational fear so ‘Islamophobia’ is a meaningless, idiotic term meant to silence ANY who dare to call out Islam/Muslims for scrutiny, criticism or reproach when in fact there are a plethora of reasons for our well-merited animus against muslims dating back to the beginning of wars of Islamic imperialism with the battle against Charles Martel . . .

      • Kat Anyperson

        Sunshine, when one generalizes all members of a social group for the actions of the fringe members, one ignores the fact that the rest of the group doesn’t engage in that behavior.

        Most domestic terrorists are white. By your own standards for “scrutiny”, the readers of the Wonkette must wonder if you and your bigot buddy Anna are therefore domestic terrorists.

        See why hasty generalizations are bad?

    • Kat Anyperson

      Hatred and bigotry are born of fear and ignorance, little one. That’s why they use “phobe”- it references everything born of that fear. Now run along, it’s clearly past your nap time and you are getting crabby.

  • Anna Maria Perez

    Mooohamed spotted on his way to judge the Draw Mooohamed contest.

    • is this supposed to be funny?

      this isn’t funny.

      • Elizabeth

        Are you referring to the ‘Dr Zoom’ article or the Mohammedbin drag?

        • Kat Anyperson

          The image, little bigot. But you already knew that <3

      • anniegetyerfun

        I was expecting a cow version, because Mooohamed. I had a disappoint.

  • Anna Maria Perez

    One of the muslims on Wolf Blitzed said they have a right to feel safe. Really? A right to feel safe? Where is that in the Constitution? Only the 2nd Amendment provides any form of a right to safety in the Constitution and if you want to talk about a right to feel safe, it’s cartoonists who are being attacked by the rabid, muslim savages.

    • blaid droog

      wonkette does not allow comments. well,maybe if they have a dick joke. just being a dick does not qualify.

    • navybrathacked

      So, the whole idea of having the right to feel safe isn’t acceptable to you unless you are carrying a loaded weapon? The Constitution doesn’t specifically addressed many of our fundamental rights. The drafters never expected there would be people like you who dismiss that right, unless it comes from being armed. President Roosevelt called it one of the ‘Four Freedoms. Until now, its not a right that has to be defended, everyone understood that in the USA we have that right. Now, only zealots with a gun feel its their right, the rest of us just have to suck it up. Well, look out.you’re losing.

    • navybrathacked

      Don’t feed us that crock about the 2nd Amendment. If you add up all the violence from guns, the white, Christian, far-right leads in the kill column..against people who have done them no harm. You think you fool anyone? You love the power, the fear, the violence.

      • Elizabeth

        What is your rationale for the truly horrific murder rate in: Shitcago, Detroit, Baltimore, Washington DC, Miami, Philly, Gary (IN) etc–ALL of which have the strictest ‘gun control’ laws, yet still manage to rack up corpses at the rate of a war zone?

        • Kat Anyperson

          High population size. Widespread Generational Poverty. Corrupt Police with bad practices like Broken Windows and pocketing all they seize. For profit prisons that quite literally pay schools, judges and cops to send them slave labor. Lack of adequate education access. Lack of adequate access to health care. Lead paint. Systemic racism. Drug cartel violence and illogical drug control laws.

          Go read a sociology book.

          • navybrathacked

            And the unlimited, unregulated weapon ‘giveaway’ attitude in surrounding states. Unless ALL states/cities enact stricter regulations preventing those convicted of misdemeanor assaults, violent mentally ill, etc., any city with any gun regulation is at the mercy of legislative fools in states like Arizona, Wisconsin, Kansas, etc.

        • mike21222

          They think it’s George Bush’s fault. They can’t wait for us to be under a dictator like Stalin. It’s the mega rich progressives spreading their money lies, hatred and evil through the American media and sheepish American public. So sad…

    • Kat Anyperson

      Seek help, honey. You need it.

    • mike21222

      How much of this right to feel safe do you think lovely Muslims provided for the Christians and Yazidis in the Middle East? Hmmm.

  • Elizabeth

    What ‘Dr Zoom’ fails to realize is that he has fallen prey to taqiyya & has fallen under the spell of ‘creeping sharia’. The blatant truth of this is evident with every spurt of venom & vitriol that is spewed against those who seek to defend their Constitutional rights! Dr Zoom feels that Islam somehow occupies an elevated status, above reproach, scrutiny or criticism . . . Incidentally, taqiyya is the Islamic tenet that orders Muslims to practice deliberate deception with all infidels & kufar in order to advance Islam; in order to combat taqiyya & creeping sharia & understand the enemy, I recommend the “Politically Incorrect Guide To Islam & The Crusades”. Do your own research & begin with the 1956 Penguin Ed of the Koran, translated by Dawoo

    • blaid droog

      what you fail to realize is the simple fact that wonkette does not allow comments. what’s up with that avatar? it looks like you’re feeding some kind of raptor.

      • Elizabeth

        My avatar is pic taken on brand new smart phone by a tech challenged person.

        • ButchWagstaff

          Your brother/husband ?

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      Elizabeth, you might try reading books written by people other than hate mongers. Which means, you know, actually trying to educate yourself using actual FACTS and REALITY. Here is the reality of Taqiyya http: //spencerwatch.com/2010/08/15/silencing-spencer-taqiyya-and-kitman-are-part-of-judeo-christian-belief/

      I know that link is probably wasted on you, but, hey, at least I tried.

      • Santana999

        You assume she can read?

    • Kat Anyperson

      Ok, let me get this straight… you are claiming that Dr Zoom has been tricked into considering Islam is better than every other religion (even though he doesn’t state that) because he is making fun of a bunch of loud angry bigots who want to stir up trouble by harassing law-abiding Muslims while ARMED.

      That is in fact what is going on here- armed trolling. Do these loonies think more pissed off Moooslimz are going to show up and they will finally get to act out their masturbatory fantasies about shooting up a brown guy?

    • This is the same crazy lady who was trolling us about abortion a few days ago. Ignore.

      Also, I’m a Muslim, so BOOGABOOGABOOGA

      • nightmoth

        AAIIIEE! Run away! Run Away!

      • Santana999

        Now I feel guilty for eating a pork chop while reading your comment…

        How is it that that a bunch of gun toting psychopaths are allowed to terrorize a mosque with impunity, but when a bunch of black people protest because they are tired of being murdered by cops for the crime of running away, they bring the army? These assclowns came to kill, make no mistake. Yet society tolerates them. At some point this is going to end badly…

        • Dude, I don’t care if you’re eating bacon fried in beer while pissing on a Qur’an and drawing a cartoon of the prophet. Don’t be a dick, and we’re cool. :)

          • H0mer0

            that’s what I say about spiders! Don’t try to mess with their eggs or webs or try to kill them and they’re cool. You’d be amazed how many staph (not staff) infections get blamed on them.
            ….Is there something wrong with comparing people of a much maligned faith with much maligned critters of the arachnid class?

          • Santana999

            Well first off, you listed three things and at best I may be able to manage any two of them at the same time. You give me too much credit there.

            Second, while I am not a particularly religious person, I respect people’s right to interpret the world as they see fit, as long as they don’t try to force anyone else to play along. So, no Qur’an, Bible or holy book pissing or cartoons meant only to offend. I see the difference between the things in life you can do, and the things in life that you should not do. Back in my day, it was called common decency, an unheard of concept in the realm of today’s right wing culture.

  • middleclassman1

    The best way to protest terrorism and hate is to terrorize and hate? What makes these people any better than those who flew planes into a building attacking innocent people?

    • freakishlystrong

      White. Christian. Murican.

      • H0mer0

        you mean: White. Christian. Murican, MORAN

  • Man, Islamophobia brings ALL the mouthbreathing jerkoffs to the comments yard.

    • nightmoth

      Just scrolled through all that mess—hasn’t she climaxed YET?

    • sonaliraq

      They love to share their stupid everywhere.

  • bozilingus

    282 not allowed comments. Now I need to go clean out my brain. (smh for Phoenix Muslims)

  • mike21222

    Wow, where is all of this defense of religious rights when Christians and Yazidis and others are being raped, tortured and murdered in the Middle East? Your not defending Islam at all, your furthering its spread by lying to Americans about it’s true nature. Your despicable, you need to visit Islam at its finest in Ramadi, where they are killing the kufar right now. Oh, btw, kufar is Islam’s way of identifying you as a non believer, kufar’s have no rights in an Islamic state and have a very short life span unless they convert and bear children.

    • anniegetyerfun

      “Your” a dingus. No one here is a fan of radical Islam, and if “your” too dumb to realize that, then “your” going to have a hard time on the internet.

  • sonaliraq

    From watching newsreels of white people spitting on and screaming at black children, to counter-protesting at Klan rallies, to these people lies a common thread: ignorant ugly-ass trailer trash. It’s the same sort of people, just foaming at the mouth over different stuff. Will they ever die out or will the USA always have an idiot fringe?

    • frambley1

      We always will. These crazies help those on the right with brains (they really do exist) by showing an example of what might happen if they abandon reason and civility.

    • Darth Penguin

      As long as you have regional poverty, there will be people who attribute that poverty to the wrong reasons. Surprisingly, angry people tend not to be very good at rationally directing their anger at appropriate targets. In the cases you mention, they’re targeting the only groups further down than they are, i.e. the only ones that they stand a chance against.

      It probably doesn’t help that you guys (i.e. the US – not from there, thankfully) have a bizarre political axis, in which you’ve managed somehow to remove all talk of ‘class’ from socialism, and in which you only ever seem to pay the faintest of lip-service to intersectionality. As a result, the people carrying out this kind of prejudice are somehow lumped in as ‘privileged’, despite having minimal tertiary education and few long-term prospects (again, taking intersectionality seriously might help – just because they’re white and male doesn’t make them any less class-oppressed).

      Add to this, that the very groups who claim to champion the working class seem, in the US, to have a pathological disdain for those disadvantaged enough to lack tertiary education, and you end up with a bunch of people who certainly don’t feel very privileged, and who find themselves caught between corporate assholes on the right and condescending jerks on the left – and if there’s one thing that brings the corporate assholes and the condascending jerks together, it’s outrage at the plebs (whether in the trailer-park or the ghetto) having the nerve to speak for themselves.

      Yeah, that doesn’t excuse their racism, just like structural oppression of blacks doesn’t excuse individual criminality. But it explains it, and for the same reasons. Personally, I take the view that anti-social behaviour is typically a product of environment and structural oppression, but some of my fellow travellers on the left always seem to take up the ‘individual choice/responsibility’ mantra whenever we’re talking about groups that they don’t like.

      If you genuinely want to improve things, rather than point and laugh at the out-group, then maybe think about why it is that your criticism of them is so full of class/education/poverty-laden references (‘ugly-ass trailer trash’). Again, not excusing their views or behaviour. But when it gets down to it, they aren’t the ones running the place, and aren’t likely to be unless the US has a workers’ revolution (and they’d still be a pretty small voice then, though they’d have more say than they do now). Recognise your own privilege, and stop assuming that every power structure you benefit from (class, education) is virtuous.

  • When are we going to get more deleted comments of the week? This here garden seems to have produced some ripened fruit fertilized by the bloated corpse of American intelligence.

  • H0mer0

    Yeah, but did he read it in the original Aramaic, I mean Arabic?

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