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Bye, Josh!

With all the revelations of the past week that Josh Duggar, eldest son of Jim Bob and the Clown Car Vagina, molested five girls that we know of, including four of his sisters, when he was a teenager, one would think this might be a moment for TLC to sit back and go, “YA KNOW? Maybe our little business plan of putting fucked up people on the teevee, and then being shocked when we find out that they are fucked up, is not working so well anymore!” TLC announced it is pulling 19 Kids And Counting for now but that no final decisions have been made as to the show’s future, even as advertisers run for the hills because who would want to be associated with that gross family now?

TLC, that’s who! So here’s an idea to keep making money off the Duggars. What if they did a spin-off, like when Frasier moved to Seattle to be closer to his dad, except this time, it would be the other married Duggar children, the ones what don’t molest people (that we know of), and they could have their OWN Duggar show, about sidehugs and awkward sin boners and stuff? Problem solved!

Following the controversy surrounding 19 Kids and Counting star Josh Duggar’s molestation scandal, Us Weekly has learned that cast members Jessa Duggar and her husband Ben Seewald, as well as Jill Duggar and her husband Derick Dillard, are in talks for their own TLC spinoff. […]

“They’ve invested a lot of time in developing these story lines and the last thing they want to do is to throw it all away,” a source tells Us of the controversial Christian family’s show, adding that Josh, however, will not be a part of any filming.

Well, we would imagine not! Especially since there are reports out there that Josh Duggar is the sibling everybody hated anyway and (gossip gossip gossip) this is why Josh wasn’t a part of Jessa’s or Jill’s weddings.

So, though TLC’s official statement was that it is “deeply saddened and troubled by this heartbreaking situation, and our thoughts and prayers are with the family and victims at this difficult time,” it sounds like TLC’s grief counselor has advised focusing on the positive, which is that it gets the best ratings with the young married Duggars anyway:

Last October, a series-record average of 4.4 million people tuned in to see 19 Kids And Counting’s crazy-in-love virgins, Jill Duggar and Derick Dillard get hitched — and perform their very first kiss and first fully sanctioned frontal hug. TLC was the No. 1 cable network of the night in total viewers and among all key women demos (3 rating with women 25-54 and women 18-49). The episode was the network’s most-viewed telecast in four years.

See? It’s not like they even NEED the molesty one, or the parents who wait A YEAR to report sexual abuse in their home, and then (maybe) lie to pedophile cops about just how much their spawn is molesting folks.

Every character in this story is so gross. It’s one thing that the network has moved right on to worrying about the bottom line, but we are impressed with the young married Duggars’ ability to immediately try to find a way to profit off this and get their own show. Grifters gotta grift, yo, and it beats having to work for a living.

All we know for sure is that this is gonna piss Honey Boo Boo’s mom RIGHT off. WHERE’S HER GODDAMN SPINOFF?

[US Weekly / Deadline]

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  • whatwhomever

    Good look with that, TLC!

  • Kat Anyperson

    The Lecher Channel, rebranding psychopaths for the American consumer

  • marxalot

    Glassy-eyed grifters meet mercenary marketeers, quickly click over cash.

    • nothingisamiss

      Poetic beauty, that.

  • Lizzietish81

    So…what are we learning here?

    • sw19womble

      That Jessa and Jill weren’t sexually molested?

      I do hope TLC have done their due diligence this time.

    • Mary Sandoras

      TLC has radar for child molesters?

      • riledupone

        Apparently not.

    • Googlethat

      That people who pimp their children for reality television practice ” do as I say ” not ” do as I do ” ?

  • Enfant Terrible

    It’s just raining fucks I don’t give here.

  • BadKitty904

    The Seawalls and the Dullards – Yeah, TLC, that’ll burn up the ratings charts, alright…

  • memzilla

    Sorry, Dr. Callyson, the patient went Code Blue before you could get here.

    • memzilla

      Oh look, here’s why Dr. Callyson was late:

    • Callyson

      I think we need another:

  • Kat Anyperson
    • Googlethat

      Duggery : a general sense of douchery .

      • marxalot

        Duggary: the act or habit of professing a set of moral scruples, and accusing others of committing specific immoral acts contrary to those scruples, of which one is personally guilty.

    • Callyson

      #allofthemkatie

  • Googlethat

    They should just hold up signs saying ” Will pump out children for reality TV bucks ” !!!

    • jmk

      Pump AND pimp.

  • OneYieldRegular

    I can’t believe no one at TLC has yet pitched a WWF smackdown between the Duggar women and the Octomom family. What, are they asleep over there?

    • sw19womble

      Asleep? Josh hopes so…..

      • BadKitty904

        Oooooooooooooooo!

      • Vecciojohn

        You should be ashamed. I know I will be when I repeat this.

      • Tony Alexander

        and we have a winnah!!!

        ;-D

  • BadKitty904

    “They’ve inve$ted a lot of time in developing the$e $tory line$ and the la$t thing they want to do i$ to throw it all away

    • marxalot

      I like how they’re up front about calling them “storylines” that have been “developed” as opposed to “things that happened to real people in real life.” Enjoy your old-fashioned, arranged and for profit, marriages, gals!

      • Now I wonder if the network named the last two babies.

        • bozilingus

          Are their names Exxon and Mobil?

          • bobbert

            Jexxon and Jobil, pls.

    • Whale Chowder

      They’ve got this thing and it’s fucking golden and they’re not just giving it up for nothing.

  • Left Coast Tom

    Maybe TLC could give the child-porn-cop his own spinoff, I’m sure viewers would love to know what an Arkansas prison is like.

    • BadKitty904

      Much like the floor area of a Republican National Convention, I’d imagine…

    • Malaclypse

      You’re confusing TLC with weekend MSNBC.

      • Jen_Baker_VA

        Or 24/7 Faux, amiright?

    • essbird

      They could call it “Married At Last … To the Man With The Most Cigarettes!”

  • Vecciojohn

    Money boo-boo.

    • sw19womble

      Horny no-no?

    • nothingisamiss

      Oh..very nice. Didn’t see that.

  • Callyson

    The Truly Lousy Crap network strikes again, eh?

  • VirginiaLady

    Dump cable and when asked why tell them the Discovery Network is pervy and your moniez won’t go to support pervs. Let tbe advertisers on tbe show know this too. Stay LOUD!

    • Lizzietish81

      I was gonna lie and tell them I couldn’t afford it anymore, but that’s much better.

  • Snopes Shop

    #FreeJinger

  • BadKitty904

    Is the goal of these new shows for the viewing public to guess which one of these bigoted, Bible-thumping Teabuggers is the secret pervert?

    • tinywriting

      What’s My PERV?

    • stevola

      AOT,K? Someone had to say it.

    • Noun Verb

      That would be a good party game. TLC’s Pin the Tail on the Pervert.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        We’d need a lot of pins.

  • 24601

    How many Duggars would a Josh Duggar diddle if a Josh Duggar could diddle Duggars?

    • sw19womble

      AOT,K

  • calliecallie

    NOOOOOO MOOOOOOAAARR DUGGGGGGGGAAAAAAARRRRRSSSSSS!

    • BadKitty904

      *E*V*A*R*!!1!

      • Vecciojohn

        The horror! The horror!

    • guppy06

      They’re married. White Jesus insists they take their husbands’ names, so… problem solved!

  • Lizzietish81

    How about the head of a Muslim Fundie Family and Pa Dugger switch places and TLC films the hilarious results.

    YOU’RE WELCOME TLC

    • Rick Hill

      Hell, I haven’t watched tv since it digimatized and I would watch that.

    • SK

      “Fundamentalist Wife Swap”?

      Has potential…

    • essbird

      Nobody will notice.

  • schmannity

    Kin ah pleez hava nutter biskit to sop up allanis grift gravee?

  • memzilla

    If Jessa pulls this off, then Princess Brisdull will get demoted in the Pantheon Of Rightwing Grifting Gods — and be right next to Queen Mooselini! OMG you guys, what if she gets a higher score on Dancing With The Stars than Brisdull did?.

  • Randy Riddle

    Well, when you’re doing a tv show featuring an extremist cult that looks at women and children as the property of pervy, sexually screwed up men, you’re bound to get one or two bad apples now and again.

    • BadKitty904

      One or two?

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        Now and again.

    • timpundit

      …but enough about the Producers at TLC.

      • pstockholm

        That’s funny. But I think he was referring to the GOP televised debates.

  • Me not sure

    Story lines developed? I’m shocked to think that this whole Reality TV thing could be a fraud. ….
    Oh, and stunned, also too!

  • Belasaurius

    Put all these grifters on a show called Grifting Island and let them grift each other. The winner: ‘Murica

  • 24601

    In light of recent skeevy developments are we SURE the Duggar ladies were pure on their wedding days?

    • marxalot

      Those two were probably a little on the mature side for Joshy.

      • BadKitty904

        They certainly look old enough to shave.

    • Rick Hill

      Meh. They got a way of praying away that torn hymen. Little holy water, a prayer to your real BF/BFF Jeebus and it’s all new again. Not sure if they have to call Mr Wizard to help out in extreme cases or not…(Help me Mr. Wizard! I don’t want to be a sleazy trollop any more…)

  • goonemeritus

    TLC is too late, I can no longer trust their shows to provide the upstanding moral compass my family needs. Thank the Good Lord the El Rey Network was
    there to fill the void.

  • SK

    OK, if they do this, then they should also spin-off a show featuring the molesters: “Josh and Mark”

    • BadKitty904

      I’m thinking a cage match would get higher ratings – “Two pervs enter, no perv leaves!

      • riledupone

        Nah, they never take on people of their own age.

    • pstockholm

      Josh 2.0

      • pstockholm

        Ok, that got no love. How about “Who’s Counting?”?

  • deanbooth

    Must share Charles Pierce’s new title for the show: 19 Counts and Counting.

  • Angry_Cop

    The only Duggar show I’d ever watch is one where the entire clown-car family is stuffed into a giant trash compactor. And they could run that shit pay-per-view; I will pay to see it.

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      MONDAY NIGHT REHABILITATION !!!1!

      • Silence Is Golden

        Sponsored by Brondo?

  • Duggars Who DON’T Diddle Little Girls?

    Assumes facts not in evidence.

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      I think they’re talking about the sex abuse victims themselves. Is Dr Phil on board to host the show?

  • Hey, remember Eight is Enough? Yeah. Enough!

  • say wha

    Is our Duggars Learning?

    • frrolfe

      no.

  • BadKitty904

    TLC – Putting the Hip in Hypocrisy!

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    “They’ve invested a lot of time in developing these story lines…”

    I can’t be the only one wondering where the “reality” part of these bullshit shows is supposed to lie.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Rest assured, there are at least two of us. I suspect many more.

      • Jen_Baker_VA

        Did….they just admit that their shows are scripted?

        • The technical term is “un-scripted”, which means that the producers make suggestions to the “talent” about how idiotic they should be, but don’t bother to type scripts. Probably because most of the reality stars (assuming they’re even functionally literate) would have to wrap their lips around every syllable in the script, which is awfully time-consuming.

          • Villago Delenda Est

            Also, too, scripts cost money which then can’t be used for hookers and blow for the producers.

          • Jen_Baker_VA

            OHHHhhhhhh. Well still seems to me they are going “this is not actually real and we’re admitting it now” at least.
            Thank ya both :)

          • Blank Ron

            Which is why reality shows took off in the first place. No wasting money on ‘writers.’

          • SuspectedDemocrat

            And yet when I’m in a work meeting and say, “Fuck it, let’s go to the beach.” My suggestion goes nowhere!

          • bobbert

            Started during the writers’ strike, and the producers were astonished to find that the “viewing public” actually liked the dreck.

          • malsperanza

            I once sat next to a couple of 20 year old guys on a plane who were flying home from a taping of Jerry Springer. They spent the whole trip comparing notes on the instructions they had been given about pretending they didn’t know who the daddy was, acting angry, being shocked, etc.

    • Blank Ron

      Over there, locked in the safe where it will never see the light of day again.

    • MrBlobfish

      From what I’ve seen, all they do is cook dinner and pray. What needs to be developed.

    • Shalimar

      There is at least some semblance of “reality” because the actors are playing a caricatured version of themselves with actual real-life events weaved into the stories. In every other way, they are low-budget versions of whatever genre they fit into. They don’t have actual scripts because that would involve paying a professional writer. Good sitcom or drama writers are expensive. Instead, they have storyline editors who write the outline of where the stories will go, pen an occasional great line or lines for characters to say to advance key plot points or just provide great copy for the marketing (and get dozens of takes if necessary for the stars to deliver the lines convincingly), and then edit the hundreds of hours of footage to pick the best scenes for the stories they want to tell.

      It’s not entirely fake depending on the show, but it’s also foolish to assume that the footage you see in any of the home-based reality shows is an actual reflection of how those people live. They’re playing the drama version of Duggar life that producers have decided people will tune in to watch.

  • Tony Alexander

    jeeeebus! why doesn’t TLC just knock off the bullshit pretense and change it’s fucking name to LCD.

    the have GOT TO BE the money grubbingest fucking media company EVER!!!

    • Villago Delenda Est

      And the competition for that title is fierce, too!

    • Mhael

      My Lord and Master, Htom Sirveaux, demands I give you a +1 vote for your user pic. ;)

      • Tony Alexander

        ;)

        thx!

  • PirateCafe

    It is their intent to cash in on the notoriety of the child molester by giving the possible victims their own show. Stupid, stupid, stupid!

    Truly, y’all have earned the label Touching Little Children since that seems to be your business plan.

    Idiots.

  • Joshua Norton

    they could have their OWN Duggar show,

    • Blank Ron

      Pictured: the Ideal Duggar.

  • Anosmia

    Nope. Nope. Nope. They need to stop the gravy train NOW for this and all possible offshoots of the show. UNLESS they can get a legit Breaking Duggar spinoff that shows one or more of the kids breaking free. I would heartily endorse that spinoff.

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      I’d watch if, as part of the story arc, they attend college and learn about evolution and cosmology.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        And then, in a spectacular season finale, inform Ma and Pa that everything they ever learned were programmed with as a child was unrefined bullshit.

        • SuspectedDemocrat

          “Way to fill my head with bronze age guesses about the universe, dumbass dad!”

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      It does not matter if they give them a show or not. The grifting train will end because their target- all them wiminz- only tuned into those particular episodes because aw young love romantic *gush*
      Now that they are already married, already preggers, already not cute and cuddly virgos having their first kiss, no one will be watching it.

  • Relativicus

    Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rogers is married to a Duggar?

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      He forgot to do a double check

    • Joshua Norton

      The way they’re breeding, we’ll ALL be related to them eventually.

      • SuspectedDemocrat

        I wonder if this is how Genghis Khan got started?

        • Lizzietish81

          He spread it out among dozens of wives.

      • 24601

        Six degrees of Duggar Nation.

  • Noun Verb

    Has anyone read the comments on The Duggars Official Family Blog. They are hilariously terrifying. People begging for the shows return so they can see what a reformed life looks like. Some are even upset this ever got out and are mad at the police for following the Freedom of Information Act They are like lambs to the slaughter. I bet TLC is out there right now figuring out how to exploit their unwavering need for terrible entertainment with no regard for Josh’s didling. The Duggars even have a campaign on their official blog asking for people to contact the network and advertisers that have even the smallest sense of morilty that dumped the show demanding they support the show.

    It’s mind boggling and maddening. I think I may need a lobotomy after reading it .

    If you haven’t check it out Google it. Do so at your own risk, you may want to gouge your eyes out after reading the comments form the desperate Duggar flock of fans.

    • Bajovane

      Duggar leghumpers are the most rabid, fiercely (and blindly) loyal fans of the Duggars. It does not matter what they do – they can do no wrong at all. This is proof. They really are a sick bunch. They need to get a life and live their own lives without sitting down and watching other people live (fake) lives. They honestly believe what you see on tv is the real deal and it is anything but.

      • SuspectedDemocrat

        As an Internet commenter, I exhort everyone to please get a life!!!

        • Querolous

          As an Internet commenter, I exhort everyone else to please get a life!!!

          • SuspectedDemocrat

            Speaking as an experienced concern troll, I’m worried about you.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      It is indeed distressing how humans can be so readily reduced to automatons, so needy of being part of a tribe that they forget any individuality they once possessed. They can be then easily turned into monsters that will engage in unspeakable acts, like patrolling the perimeter of a Vernichtungslager.

  • micster50

    No more Quiverfools!!!!

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      I found the whole thing quivervile.

      • micster50

        *lol* Me too!!!

  • Bajovane

    No. Just. NO. No more Duggars – period. Any spin off show will still remain under the control of Jim Bob. He will never give that up. Sooner or later, the kids are going to have to make it on their own. There will be no motivation to rethink their beliefs about holding down real jobs, women getting educations and working. The gravy train will end eventually – and it is time the kids learn now. Besides, what on earth would they have to offer in terms of entertainment anyway? Talk about boring. Get them off the air – allow them to heal and not force them to paste fake smiles and keep sweet just because.

  • 24601

    Maybe TLC should look into the Naugler family – that couple in KY with 10 filthy kids living in a stick hut, sleeping in a bed made for 12 and anti-schooling them. Who am I kidding? They’ve probably got a contract drawn up already.

  • pstockholm

    Well they can’t use “Here Come the Brides”, that’s taken. Maybe “Seven Brides for Two or Three Brothers”?

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    This has all sorts of possibilities, like privacy cams where J—- and J—- and the other one J—– talk about what it’s like to be an incest and sexual assault victim who receives no counseling and is told it’s all her fault for “defrauding” that poor boy by having different looking naughty bits.

  • GP

    Can we stop talking about the vagina of a woman who is basically indoctrinated into a cult, please? How many clown car jokes are there gonna be before we remember she’s been told since birth her only value is be a baby factory. Or like, be a Quiver? For her husband’s arrow-sperms or whatever fucked up imagery is going on there.

    Act like you’re better than child molesters and misogynists, plz.

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      Sorry about that. Sometimes I open my mouth and all these jokes come tumbling out like a clown car.

      • GP

        You and a billion other dude-bros. Invite the brain to the party, see what happens!

        • Gristle McThornbody

          She’s just as guilty of not protecting her daughters as her husband is. She’s a grown woman with a working brain, who grew up outside of the Quiverfull influence. If she chooses to subjugate herself to the rule of men, that’s her decision and she can be judged for it. She’s not feeble-minded, as far as I know.

          • GP

            “Just as responsible” in a family where the father is the mouthpiece to god and men make all the decisions? Where she has no support system outside of the church that agreed to keep it hidden or no financial means of leaving with her daughters?

            You’re funny.

          • jmk

            She has a family outside of her cult she could turn to…there was much to-doing over the fact that her sister is a lesbian not too long ago.

          • GP

            You know, you’re right. It’s super easy to leave a patriarchal cult if you’ve been raised outside of it. Good thing you’re here to explain why it’s cool not to be sympathetic to exploited women.

          • jmk

            Oh right. That’s what I’m doing.

            You seriously want to try to outfeminist me? Bring it on, asshole.

          • GP

            “Outfeminist” you? You’d have to be remotely feminist for that to work.

            But I mean, keep on keeping on, rageaholic.

          • jmk

            Since a quick review of this thread will show that I posted a respectful comment generally agreeing with your initial point but pointing out a factual inaccuracy, after which you started slinging around insults and bullshit, I think it’s possible that your “rageaholic” comment is just more projecting on your part.

            Facts. How do they work?

            And how the fuck would you know how feminist I am? All you’ve seen is this thread through a red haze of anger…but please continue to cast aspersions as you rail against people for casting aspersions. It’s far more entertaining for us.

          • GP

            Insults? Okay, buckaroo. You’re a real feminist for calling me cupcake, sweetie, etc. and trying to make this a point about how Michelle Duggar deserves to be treated the same as the patriarch and creeper son.

          • jmk

            Again, I will point out that large as you loom in your own universe, I had no fucking way of knowing what your gender was…and cared less.

            Again… the facts are that you made a factually inaccurate statement. I corrected it while agreeing with much of what you said initially. You lashed out. Wriggle as much as you might, you were still in the wrong.

          • GP

            I think I pointed out that even though you had facts that she’s still in a cult, and still doesn’t deserve to be reduced to giant vagina metaphors. But cool, I’m a giant in my giant universe, you’re totally allowed to use shitty, gendered pet names and then accuse me of insulting people. Deflection is a hell of a drug.

          • jmk

            You know… a grown-up would have said “gee, I thought she had been raised in this cult…guess not…I still think it’s cheesy to harp on her genitals, though” and everything would have been fine. A grown-up with reading comprehension would have said “gee, I thought she was raised in this cult…guess not… but I see you agree with me mostly. Awesome high five!” and everything would have been fine.

            You, however, chose a different way – immediately accusing, making assumptions, and doing the very thing you were scolding us for doing, and then wigging out when those you insulted and tried to belittle responded to you, and still more when they responded in kind.

            I see from your most recent response to being corrected on that single point, that you’re at it again. Super. Good show… I’ve never found that doubling-down on being an asshole is a good strategy, but hey…you be you.

          • GP

            You realize a grown-up would have just said “ya, that’s fucked up” and not “fact-check” an call-out for intensely sexist behaviour?

            My whole thing is that it’s not really that important that she’s been in the cult 23 years instead of the full 46, but that she’s being treated less human than the molestor and the cult leader.

          • jmk

            Are you never wrong? I mean… ever? You made an erroneous statement. It happens. Just say “whoa…didn’t know that… thanks for the info” and we can move the fuck on.

          • GP

            Are you ever wrong? The point for me was that she’s being dehumanized and no one else. And that she’s indoctrinated pretty hard in a church that’s pretty fucked up. My concern is for calling a woman names based on her vagina and acting like women are not victimised by their “religion.” I mean, you agreed with me, didn’t you? So why the need to nitpick and derail, exactly?

          • MrBlobfish

            Jeez, you two. Get a room already.

          • jmk

            Sigh. Oh FFS. This “I know you are but what am I?” crap is so tedious.

            Once again, go back and read my first comment… I just pointed out one thing that was factually incorrect. One thing – one correction. That’s IT. I didn’t derail this – your meltdown did.

          • GP

            Mkay, cool story. Have a superb day.

          • jmk

            I was doing so… until this fuckery reared its ugly head.

            Your claims – that she was raised in the cult and knows nothing else and that she’s the only one being “dehumanized” – are both factually incorrect…but I see you’re sticking to that narrative, come hell or high water, so on the whole, imma say you are the one with a “story.”

            I’m done with this bullshit.

          • GP

            I’m sticking to the narrative that regardless it’s fucked up to mock her based on how many kids she has, especially given that she’s been in a cult for at least 20+ years.

            But I mean, it’s super important that you have something to hang your hat on to argue against that, I guess.

          • jmk

            Nice revisionism there, Jozef.

          • Lizzietish81

            You remind me of the girl who raged against my brother in law about his song about Laurie Cabot who dared him to share the song with her.

            She liked it and apologized for the overzealous dip

          • pstockholm

            Denying her agency and responsibility for her entire adult life is maybe a little condescending? She would probably insist on her own agency, so maybe we should give her credit, and let the snark flow.

          • GP

            Yes, you’re right. I’m the condescending one. Good call, please return to your “she’s responsible for the molestation” and clown car vagina jokes.

          • pstockholm

            The snarkers are mostly not being condescending, they are ridiculing her outright. Based on an presumption that she’s an adult and shares responsibility for the show, the widely disseminated hate, the support for hateful politicians. I haven’t seen anyone here assign her responsibility for the molestation (could have nmissed it), possibly for the coverup. You presume her to be the victim of a cult and without significant responsibility. In the absence of any facts I think the snarkers’ presumption is clearly more respectful of her as an adult.
            As for the ridicule straying into dudebro territory, jeez this is Wonkette, not the Columbia Gender Studies Review.
            The most annoying thing to me in all this is the sheer number of offspring – on behalf of my selfish genes, I declare this will not stand.

          • Lefty Frizzell

            It is hard to believe a grown woman could be a willing participant in this freakshow isn’t it?

          • GP

            I think maybe at one point she was, but that time has long gone.

          • Gristle McThornbody

            Thank you. I live to entertain you. ◔_◔

            The fact remains that she is not a victim here.

          • GP

            You are clearly a victim here. I’m sorry for your pain and suffering.

          • Gristle McThornbody

            Oh, for fuck’s sake, shut up and go back to whatever MRA site you came from.

          • GP

            …I say “don’t call a woman a clown-car vagina” and you say “MRA!” It’s like you don’t understand life or something.

          • Gristle McThornbody

            Why is the fact that she’s a woman supposed to make her off limits to any kind of judgment? Is it because she’s fulfilling her womanly duty to crank out kids as fast as she can? Is it because she’s so mentally incapable of making a decision on her own that she truly believes that’s all she’s good for and needs a man to make every important decision regarding her life? Well, that kind of fits an MRA view of women, and that kind of sounds like what you’re saying.

            The rest of us are saying she chose her life, she chose to not protect her daughters, and she can take as much responsibility for that as any of the men in her life.

          • GP

            It doesn’t? I mean, I’m not the one reducing her to her womb, so you see where I’m confused by your misunderstanding.

          • Gristle McThornbody

            No, she’s the one who has chosen to reduce herself to
            little more than a womb, so you see where I’m confused by your insistence that we all treat her like some victim here.

          • GP

            Uh huh, my point was that it’s a cult, and cults kinda take away some of your free will over time. Is your point that she should be reduced to her womb because you think she chose that?

          • Gristle McThornbody

            First, this is not a cult any more than the Catholic church is a cult. It’s a Christian religious sect that chooses to take the Bible more literally than most Christian religions. Michelle Duggar joined of her own free will as an adult.

            Secondly, if you believe it IS a cult, then by that logic Jim Duggar and Josh Duggar are also not responsible for any of their actions, seeing as how they have also been brainwashed. You really can’t have it both ways.

            The Duggar adults, both of them, male and female, allowed their son to molest his sisters. They are both reprehensible freaks. She just happens to have a uterus.

          • GP

            Really? Quiverfull and their Christian home-school victim-blaming isn’t a cult compared to the Catholic Church? (FYI, this fails on several levels because the Catholic Church is pretty cult-y -though not as bad, I guess- and also covered up a bunch of molestation.)

          • Gristle McThornbody

            So, nobody who belongs to a religion should ever be held accountable for anything they do, because they’ve been brainwashed. Got it. Thanks for all your insights :)

          • SuspectedDemocrat

            You were being complimented on the quality of your concern-trolling. It’s the kind of thing MRAs might find amusing, sticking it to that feminist blog for not being feminist enough. What a hoot!

          • GP

            Sure, “stop just insulting women, especially cult members” is MRA level concern trolling. You keep on coming with the hits, clown car mouth!

        • SuspectedDemocrat

          Maybe you’re new here, but part of the long running joke is not bothering to learn the name of any of the eleventy brazillion family members on that show. And now you’re asking special deference for – of all people – the mother. Why not the young daughters? Why not all of them? Have they not all been brainwashed? No, I will not use any of their names because the whole point is there’s too many to bother with (not even counting the preventable miscarriages – which they do).

          We have never used their proper names here until only very recently, and only one of them: JOSH DUGGAR because GROSS and WTF and STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS???SERIOUSLY???? Yeah, I have no problem making sure everyone knows his full name. Sure!

          But sorry, Ma and Pa Diddle don’t warrant the respect you demand for them. Not on a vile snark blog like this. Think of it as low brow satire, John Stewart on bath salts if you will.

          • GP

            Sorry, the author of the article seemed to remember a lot of other family member’s names just fine. But like, I can’t take a joke, that’s the focus.

            And if we’re talking about “warranting respect” people have been making those jokes since before they knew they were bigots and molesters.

            So maybe calm yourself and ask why it makes you so angry that I ask that a women who is in a cult shouldn’t be reduced to her vagina (you know, like the cult reduced her to her vagina.)

          • SuspectedDemocrat

            Angry? Your emotion detector needs calibration. And I agree, a cult shouldn’t reduce women to their reproductive and man-caring abilities. I guess where we disagree is that any cult that does, should be snarked on, loudly, called out for what they’re doing (spoiler alert: that often requires describing what they’re doing, even if done ironically) until people in a position to do something actually start paying attention. I’ll admit, if it wasn’t for the clown car jokes, I would probably not have known what the quiverfull movement is about, or that it exists. So maybe jokes in bad taste aren’t the worst thing going on here.

            (did the author use names? maybe I should read the articles once in a while)

          • GP

            Yah, strangely Daddy Dearest and Chester Molestor got names. Funny how that works.

            And if this isn’t people getting pissy because I said “hey, don’t reduce a woman to her womb, you know, like her fucked up church” well gosh, I must need recalibrating.

          • SuspectedDemocrat

            Don’t feel bad. The Internet is notorious for that effect. You are feeling your own emotions and projecting them on the words of others (your brain is “filling in the gaps” so to speak), while the true emotional content of each message is lost completely. It happens to everyone. There was a study, but I’m too lazy to look it up.

            So there’s no misunderstanding, here’s the emotions I’m feeling right now: boredom, bemusement, wondering if that latest joke will work. Ambivalently weighing the choice between having a serious conversation (probably important) or just making another joke (the reason I came here in the first place). Also, wondering if there’s something else I ought to be doing right now.

          • GP

            You are so right. All this time I’ve been repeatedly messaged by a bunch of strangers telling me that it’s wrong to say you shouldn’t reduce a person to their genitals and it’s just my own rage about…something something genitals. Thanks Doc, I owe you one.

    • Mhael

      Gotta agree with you on most of this. The Duggars are vile, despicable people, but now you guys (Wonkette) are literally dehumanizing her MORE and eliminating her actual name.

      If you’re going to drop someone’s name and dehumanize them, make it the patriarchal fuck who deserves it (Jim Bob Joe Dweedle Fuck, or whatever his name is), not the woman who’s been brainwashed all her damn life by MORE patriarchal fucks.

    • jmk

      While I agree with much of what you say, I have to point out that Mrs. Duggar has not been a Quiverfull person her whole life, and the story is that she and her husband stopped using contraception after she miscarried.

      I’m absolutely certain that she had been groomed to make the choice she made…but nonetheless, she chose to take this path, unlike her daughters.

      • GP

        So that makes it okay to dehumanise her and joke about her vagina? Cool.

        And maybe don’t believe everything the Duggar family says. I mean, just a suggestion. I hear they’re not very honest.

        • jmk

          Well… way to completely miss the point.

          The POINT is that she and her POS husband chose to make her reproductive system her most prominent characteristic. Manipulated and influenced as she undoubtedly was, she still made a choice to do that…unlike the children she brought up to know nothing else.

          But please do continue scolding other people for meanspiritedness while you indulge in it yourself.

          • GP

            Uh, I missed the point? The point I made that she shouldn’t get treated like shit just cause she had a bunch of kids and was told by everyone in her life that it was the only right thing to do?…

            Sorry I hurt your feelings by not agreeing with you.

          • jmk

            No, cupcake…the point you missed was that all of your “she knows nothing else” is wasted on this woman, who certainly WAS raised differently. If you want to spend that sympathy, spend it on her kids.

            You didn’t hurt my feelings… my objection was to the factual inaccuracy you were promoting…oh yes…and the hypocrisy of doing what you were scolding others for doing.

          • GP

            Mkay, “Cupcake.” I mean, what’s important here is that the facts are straight, not that writers are acting like douchebags all over the place. Thanks for clearing that up.

            Wait, are you one of the Duggars?

          • Villago Delenda Est

            No. Are you?

          • GP

            Wait, how many accounts do you have JMK?…

            I called Quiverfull a cult, so it must be reverse psychology…

          • jmk

            One, cupcake. This one. This isn’t Yahoo comments.

            Maybe you should go back there.

          • GP

            Honeypie, you sound so much like a Duggar though, with all your pet names, and insisting that your opinion is the important one.

            Speaking of Yahoo, I bet there are some questions from women you totally need to correct with “facts.”

          • jmk

            Ummmm… I didn’t mention my OPINION. I mentioned a FACT…after which you went on an insult-posting rampage because YOUR opinion wasn’t being bowed down to.

            I need to go call Bell and Howell, though… I think we’ve found their missing projector.

          • GP

            Fact is she came from a Christian family, and went to an even more Christian family.

            Beyond that, what is your there but your opinion?

          • jmk

            Beyond that, the only opinion I offered was that if you wanted to sympathize with people who have been indoctrinated since birth, look to her daughters.

            Well… the only opinion I offered until you went for me.

          • GP

            Yes, I really went for you by saying that her being born into the movement (as opposed to being an Christian and THEN going way off the reserve) wasn’t really relevant to the point of dehumanizing a woman the same way her cult did.

          • jmk

            Once again… missing the point. You railed at people for viewing her as a vagina because you claimed she knew nothing more than to be little more than one.

            The point I made was that she CHOSE – manipulated and influenced by her disgusting husband, maybe, but still CHOSE – to be very little other than an active reproductive system, and she’s made a career out if it, so your sympathy for a victim of indoctrination would be better directed toward her daughters.

          • GP

            I see how I came off as railing simply because she was indoctrinated from youth. Regardless of what age she was when she got into the cult, she’s in a cult. And it’s still kinda messed up you think the first 20 years change that and make it okay to call her names.

            What I should have said is that she’s in a cult now, I firmly believe her reality is fucked up, and it’s kinda messed up to focus on her vagina and not the nut-sack monster of a husband and son. I mean, do you really think she’s all there?

          • jmk

            Considering the amount of rage the Wonketariat has expended in the direction of her disgusting asswipe of a husband and her hypocrite of a son in the last couple of days, your comment goes wide…but no… I don’t think she’s all there, but not in the way I think you mean.

            There’s something missing in someone who chooses to put one child’s interests above the children he molested…and I also don’t understand someone pimping their children out for teevee money or being the kind of hypocrite who accuses innocent gay and transgender people of being inherently molesty while she shelters a molester herself, either.

            Not to belabor the point, but you really do seem to take a swing before you think or research…and in this case, that was not a good strategy.

          • Lizzietish81

            So, are you suggesting that she can’t be held responsible for her life choices, which have affected her children, because she’s been “programmed”

            Why not say the same of Josh, he’s been quiverfull his whole life, growing up in a cult where women are property, can we really blame him for being creepy and weird?

            Unless of course, women are just natural victims. Very feminist of you.

          • GP

            I’m pretty sure I said don’t insult a woman’s vagina/reduce her to hers and not insult anyone else? Where is that lost….

          • Lizzietish81

            The part where you keep insisting she has no agency and should therefore be considered a victim.

            But please, keep fucking this chicken.

          • jmk

            Go back and re-read my initial response to you, douchebag…the one in which I said “while I agree with much of what you say, I have to point out…” before mentioning that you were factually incorrect.

            Maybe put the mind in gear before rageposting.,.. mmmkay, sunshine?

          • GP

            “Cutiepie” it’s so good you’re here to make sure your 2 cents about the facts are included here. That’s really what matters, I think.

          • jmk

            I don’t know if you realize it, but facts are facts and don’t belong to any particular person.

            I’m soooooo sorry I annoyed you by questioning your magnificence, though… I can’t think of any other reason why you immediately went for the insults.

          • GP

            Well clearly the facts belong to you. I mean, you’re so knowledgeable about Evangelical Christians and cults, so it’s a good thing you’re here to explain that she had a choice and that she’s not been a victim of anything.

          • jmk

            Why are you infantilizing her?

          • GP

            Said the dude calling me cupcake. Do you think the only way not to infantalize her is to “Um, escuze me” that she wasn’t raised in the same cult she ended up in and make shitty jokes about her vagina?

          • jmk

            Did I say that? I can’t remember saying that.

            And it’s adorable to see that you’ve assigned me an outie peen, presumably to ramp up your outrageometer. That will come as something of a surprise to the folks I know best.

          • GP

            I’m sorry, I assumed a woman wouldn’t be as shitty as the use gendered, belittling pet names.

            My bad, keep on feministing.

          • jmk

            Awwww… aren’t you so funny! How the fuck would I know what your gender is, or even if you had one?

            I’ve been using “cupcake” to address online commenters I think are assholes for as long as I’ve been on line – a matter of 15 years or so. It’s meant to condescend…but it’s not gendered.

          • GP

            …not gendered? Yes, dudes call each other cupcake all the time. It’s super manly and stuff. You keep throwing that feminist cred around you’re gonna get a staff spot on Shakesville soon.

          • jmk

            Reading comprehension not your specialty, is it?

            It’s not a gendered insult from me because calling someone “cupcake” is not a reflection of THEIR gender…but of MINE.

          • GP

            Sure, maybe in your world where you loom large I know what your gender is, but out here in the real world you’re just some douchebag calling a stranger cupcake.

          • jmk

            No… I was someone calling some douchebag on the internet who had decided to scold me for something I wasn’t actually doing “cupcake.”

            I don’t use it randomly. You earned it. There’s a difference.

      • RethinkThePink

        What do you mean “after she miscarried?” I don’t think they ever used contraception.

        • jmk

          The story in their bio was that she and her loathsome husband used contraception after the oldest kid was born but she got pregnant anyway and miscarried, after which they decided not to use it again.

    • ganmerlad

      Michelle Duggar was not ‘raised in a cult’. She was a cheerleader, liked wearing short skirts and bikinis to the annoyance of uptight neighbors, and she ‘fooled’ around pre-maritally, with Jim Bob at least. Becoming a breeder was something she and Jim Billy Bub decided she should do — as adults. So don’t try to stick up for them too hard.

      Making fun of the daughters they isolated and indoctrinated though, that would be a tad unfair.

      • GP

        She’s been with Duggar since she was 23, and now she’s 46. So more than half her life. She was pretty Christian before from what I’ve read, so to me that means that she was already primed to go.

        But please explain why 23+ years in a patriarchal cult wouldn’t mess you up as a woman, or why it’s okay to make giant vagina jokes at her expense and never say a peep about her husband’s, let’s say, shrivelled, dried-up ball sack full of evil?

        • Penny

          Get your facts straight. Michelle Duggar was only 17 yrs old when she and Jim Bob married. He was about 19.

          • GP

            Cool. So 19 years cult free. Thanks!

    • MOG253

      Actually, her sister said she couldn’t believe it when Michelle decided to have 19 children. She was something of a wild child before Jim Bob.

      • GP

        A big part of it may be that her entire sibling group is something like 20+ years older than her. And what better recruit for a cult than a wild child? People who promise to forgive you for all the bad things you’ve done, no matter how guilty you feel about them, etc…

        • MOG253

          Too true. Came up in the evangelical world (nothing this extreme) and very often it was the wild child who answered the altar call.

          • GP

            I once got lured to an Evangelical hip-hop show with some friends and we got cornered by a guy and his friends who proceeded to tell us for an hour about all the horrific things he did before Jesus saved him. It was pretty enlightening re: the recruitment process.

          • GP

            I once got lured to an Evangelical hip-hop show with some friends and we got cornered by a guy and his friends who proceeded to tell us for an hour about all the horrific things he did before Jesus saved him. It was pretty enlightening re: the recruitment process.

    • Lizzietish81

      Fuck that we’re just like Hitler! We don’t half ass evil!

      • pstockholm

        That was pretty funny, but still, only three Hitlers.

      • pstockholm

        That was pretty funny, but still, only three Hitlers.

      • SuspectedDemocrat

        A socially responsible snark mob wouldn’t be making these jokes, just maintain a respectful silence and let law enforcement take care of— oh, wait. Nevermind.

      • GP

        I mean, the whole logic behind disagreeing with “don’t make fun of a woman’s genitals” is pretty half-assed, but you keep reaching for the stars.

      • GP

        I mean, the whole logic behind disagreeing with “don’t make fun of a woman’s genitals” is pretty half-assed, but you keep reaching for the stars.

    • JAWs

      Er…I think “we” achieved that by not molesting children or espousing doctrine that restrict the rights of women.

      So when I or other like me start making robo-calls warning about the Duggars possibly using YOUR bathroom, then we can apply “Both sides do it” argument (and if you can’t wait, I’m sure that Fox News is utilizing this fallacy right now.)

  • Latverian Diplomat

    So, what sort of trouble can these new, purer Duggars get into?

    Meth lab? Tax evasion? KKK?

    • Villago Delenda Est

      All three at once, and open carry biker gangs

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      The smart money is on abortion clinic bombings.

    • MOG253

      Gay bashing would be my bet.

  • JohnR

    I am now assuming either someone or everyone at TLC or who ever really calls the shots is a member of the same cult.

    • riledupone

      Yup. Worshiping Mammon.

  • Shalimar

    we are impressed with the young married Duggars’ ability to immediately try to find a way to profit off this and get their own show. Grifters gotta grift, yo, and it beats having to work for a living.

    While I understand and share the cynicism and distrust of anything Duggar, the “grifters” you’re referring to here are two of the victims. Maybe just a little compassion is in order?

    • Solipsister

      Are we saying that once someone is a victim they get a free pass to not be required to make ethical choice in ANY area of their lives? My compassion for these women doesn’t demand I support their continued denial and enabling with millions of dollars and a false public image of their ideology.

      • Shalimar

        “Grifter” has a specific meaning, and it is very applicable to Jim Bob, Michelle and Josh. They deliberately conned viewers for years with a moral code they didn’t actually live by. Are you positive that is what Jill and Jessa are doing if they accept a television show and the money that comes from it? You think the choices are either “grifter” or “free pass”, with no criticism possible in between?

        • SuspectedDemocrat

          Good point! If they are truly living good virtuous lives by the values they espouse, then more power to them. If, at some later date, they cover up a molestation in their own families and the cycle of abuse continues, then what the fuck already why do they even have a teevee show. Only time will tell!

          • Shalimar

            I suspect the show will be what Solipsister suspects it will be, another bullshit fairy tale about Duggar values. That isn’t necessarily true, though. From what I have read (having never actually watched the creepy show), Jill and Jessa are popular for personalities as much as storylines. If Jessa for example were to divorce creepy husband and move to New York to become a model, I’m guessing it would increase ratings, not decrease them.

            I’m not suggesting giving them a pass. I’m saying I personally am more comfortable waiting for them to actually show signs of being grifters themselves than to damn them now for being willing to accept a show TLC is basically dying to air because of it’s potential popularity.

          • SuspectedDemocrat

            Hey it beats getting a real job.

          • Shalimar

            I stand corrected. Apparently my cynicism isn’t even close to the norm, and I also need to work on my disdain for acting as a profession.

        • MOG253

          Can’t figure out how they can move forward, what’s the story arc? These two were most likely victims, it will be like the proverbial elephant in the room.

        • Solipsister

          I’m not persuaded they aren’t “grifters” as well, if by that we mean the loose sense of conning the public regarding their values, ideology and lifestyle. And you’re right that it is a continuum of judgement. My personal take on it is to say I don’t believe the fact they are victims excludes their being frauds and hupocritical, nor does it exclude a critique of their bad choices.

          • Shalimar

            My biggest problem with the use of “grifter” to describe them is that they have spent their entire lives in a cult being taught that they don’t have free will to decide anything. They are essentially property, and it was up to Jim Bob and now their husbands to decide what they should do. It’s hard to know what their mindset really is, and easy to judge from the outside and say they should throw away their creepy support network and venture out in the world on their own.

            I hope they will realize from their exposure to fans that they will have an incredibly easy time establishing their financial and emotional independence compared to the vast majority of women facing the same situation. It’s hard to imagine them ever being healthy emotionally living the same lifestyle they grew up in. They have already been victimized repeatedly.

            I don’t know much about them. I haven’t even watched clips of the show to hear them talk, just seen pictures with the various articles. Maybe I am making them generic people when others have more evidence of their actual personalities to see dark clouds that I don’t know about. It’s just hard to ignore that we’re talking about girls raped repeatedly at 10 and 11 who never received any counseling and had to suppress any feelings and memorieas while living for another decade around their rapist. I have no clue how badly that could mess someone up.

          • Solipsister

            You are right that it is a clusterfuck of epic proportions. And a tragedy. I’ve spent a lot of time reading equally horrific stories from Quiverfull women who lived the same lives as these girls and who were able to eventually find whatever aha moment is required to see through the ideology. I’m not implying they need to just bootstrap it and snap out of it. I know that isn’t how it works. I don’t want to reward them and the family with money and fame, though, not least because I don’t see that isn’t as increasing the likelihood they will get out (especially given what we know about restrictions on their interactions with non-cult members on set). I just find it really hard to believe that they’re such lost causes that no teeny part of them recognizes their own/family hypocricy, feels the discomfort of the contradictions they live. As such, I’m ok with seeing them as choosing to be part of a con.

          • Shalimar

            As alluded to above, I consider Michelle to be a major part of the con. She has accepted her place in the hierarchy for a long time and helped perpetuate abuse. The girls were raised with blinders to limit the choices they were aware they had. If I recall correctly, they had never even watched tv when they got married even though they were on a television show.

            They just got married and away from Jim Bob within the last year or two. Now they are with husbands that he chose who will most likely be just as bad as him. If they’re still with them in another couple of years, appearing on their tv show, birthing children and raking in the dough for their husbands, then yes, they’re fully adult and fully responsible for their choices. Grifters.

            Right now, I empathize with them but I don’t have a clue how limited their choices have been and exactly what their mindset is, so I really don’t know how much awareness they have of what they’re deciding and what other possibilities they could be pursuing. Hell, maybe one of the husbands won’t turn out to be the cult leader Jim Bob was trying to find for his daughters and they will stay married in a normal, non-manipulative relationship. I doubt that, but I really don’t think even watching the carefully-crafted tv narratives would give me much insight into what they are really like.

          • Solipsister

            After yammering on this for way too long, I’ll add one last thing: If we’re in agreement that they are part of an authoritarian patriarchal cult and have been raised with little sense of agency, and if we agree that the parents and Josh are fairly described as grifty, then everyone in that family is implicated in the con, even if some are more heinous than others. The money and fame are always already Duggar, not specific to the girls. That’s part of the tragedy, yes, but still doesn’t warrant a payment.

          • Shalimar

            That might be the only thing we really disagree on. Victims frequently are implicit in bad acts with their abusers without being morally or legally responsible. Hypocrisy isn’t limited to massive levels like here. All of us fail to live up to our own moral values occasionally, it’s part of being human.

            Just because they did what they were told for fear of getting punished or out of a need for approval or whatever doesn’t make them morally responsible for the results. I seriously doubt much money was spent on them nor were they really aware of the extent of their fame if they didn’t even watch their own tv show.

            Acting for a camera a few hours a day or week was just part of their normal. They were minors for most of this and arguably are still minors emotionally considering how they were raised. There is a reason we have juvenile courts to punish minors.

      • If one of them went rogue and tried to start a less-dysfunctional family who at least educates their children and doesn’t bible-thump anymore, that might be something to watch. Otherwise, it’s just more of the same thing. And more creepy stuff will be revealed, I guarantee you.

        • Mehmeisterjr

          “Sorry, we wouldn’t carry such a show.” – Any random TLC executive.

        • Penny

          Or if the Duggars (any of them) decide to honestly confront this issue in a new series or documentary.

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      we don’t know that these two were two of the victims. Maybe one of them, maybe neither.
      However, compassion for adults using their brother (and sisters) fall from grace to get their own TV show? No, that is grifting.

      • Shalimar

        They were getting their own spin-off show before all of this became public. They are apparently the most popular element of the show. TLC was already planning to capitalize on that. There is no evidence they have even had time to use this in any way, it only started coming out a week ago. TV networks do not work that quickly producing new show ideas.

        As for not knowing they were the victims, what I read from the forum posts from 9 years ago that were right about everything else so far is that of the five Duggar sisters at the time, it was the oldest who wasn’t molested. The 11, 10, 9 and 5 year-olds were. Jill and Jessa were 11 and 10 respectively. There isn’t any reason so far to suspect that this poster who obviously had inside information got that wrong.

      • Pinball or Submission

        No, it was definitely at least one of them. Josh raped four of his sisters in 2002, at which time he only had five sisters in total. There was only one he didn’t definitely rape out of the elder five, so any pair of elder Duggar sisters is guaranteed to have at least one of Josh’s victims.

      • riledupone

        The whole family s grifting. None of them have to get real jobs up until now, but they may have to if there is no TV show. Expecting that people would want to watch the Duggar “B” team just because they aren’t molesters (as far as we know) is to continue the grift. What other young, newly-married couples would get a TV show that anyone would watch?

  • Spotts1701

    You know, I never had a high opinion of TV executives (looking right at *you*, Bonnie Hammer). Glad to see my opinion is justified.

    • Blank Ron

      Remember, ‘Network’ was a documentary.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        It was prophesy.

  • SuspectedDemocrat

    Is syndication out? Direct to video? A variety show in Branson, MO? There’s always DVD sales. This whole situation is going to add a new twist to the DVD commentary.

    • cessnadriver

      They could be singin’ and dancin’ in Branson for the next 30 years.

  • Leema Raven

    In every pic, these girls have ‘dead eyes’.

    • O4FSake

      Just like Mama. She looks like she lost the ability to think too long ago.

  • frrolfe

    Took me a while to find this:

    http://www.salon.com/2014/06/19/honey_boo_boo_is_a_monster_what_reality_tv_did_to_the_pint_size_pageant_queen/

    Its well worth reading. This the “reality” behind these shows.

    FWIW, I feel really sorry for the Duggar children. If there’s even an ounce of truth in the story of another series, I think that the putative producers should be horse-whipped.

    The under-age children should be taken into care though not anywhere within a brazillion miles of Arkansas.

  • cessnadriver

    An American philosopher once wrote, “It’s the lure of easy money, it has a very strong appeal”.

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      Dugglers’ Blues?

  • RethinkThePink

    I love this show. Of course, that’s all ruined now. But I wondered why there was such awkward chemistry between Josh and the older girls. Now we know.

    • MOG253

      Told my sister three years ago that Josh gave me the creeps, especially when it became apparent that he was focusing on a political career. ugh.

    • Whale Chowder

      Really? So a creepy cult family where women are no more than property and brood mares was OK but sister diddling was over the line?

      The mind reels.

  • Guest

    How can they separate the Duggar girls from their mama and papa when there’s one grandson and another on the way? No, keep this whole famdamily off the air. Nineteen kids and molesting is enough. No more.

    • They might as well name the new show “The Non-Molesting (That We Know Of…) Duggars”, because that’s what everyone will be thinking.

      • vivian

        Or “Return of the Molested”

    • Mintie

      Well, if the husband is the family patriarch, and the girls are married now, technically it’s their husbands who are the heads of their new families, not Jim Bob. And if they’re making their own money with their own show, then they don’t have to be tied to their father anymore.

      So maybe it’s a grab at some kind of independence on the girls’ behalf.

      • dshwa

        I suspect they like their minor celebrity status and are trying to keep it.

  • viva_democracy

    It’s only about the almighty dollar. Sad.

  • smr06va

    No.

  • ryp

    What the fuck do I care. Stupid people want to watch stupid television, especially about jesus fried hillbillies. Worrying about what kind of shows I don’t watch are put on a channel I don’t watch is the kind of busybody shit conservatives get their pants in a wad about.

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      And yet, you care enough to (asuming here) read the article and not only that, but post about it? I have often wondered why someone who does not care would take the time out of their busy day to point out that they do not care about a thing.
      I myself care about this particular thing if only because I really LIKED trading spaces and what not to wear.

      • Kat Anyperson

        Frak yea Trading Spaces! Did you hear there is a new Ty Pennington show on the air?

        • DemmeFatale

          Yep.
          I call it Ty and Frei.

      • ryp

        Because not caring about what TLC airs and enjoying reading snarky articles about horrible people on shows that TLC airs are not mutually exclusive.

  • Not Sayin

    I think it’s time for Discovery Channel, who now owns TLC, to fold up the tent and try something new. TLC has produced some of the worst garbage on television with a few notable exceptions. There’s no more learning happening at The Learning Channel. Rebrand it for what it is and take “learning” out of the equation, steer it back toward what it used to be in the 90s or ditch it. But for the love of all that is good and holy, stop with the tabloid-esque programming.

    • FauxAntocles

      Maybe they could sell it to the Enquirers.

  • Egret1

    Wait a minute. They “hated” Josh. I thought they forgave him. I have a better idea. TLC should stay away from “reality shows” and go back to its true purpose.

    • SK

      Yes, but how many times can they re-run yak-milking in the Gobi desert?

      • telabs

        Oh, not nearly enough times.

      • bargal20

        That’s the version of Mad Max: Fury Road no one is tweeting about.

    • KenRob

      They haven’t had their fill of Quiverfull families, the next one up (planned before the Josh expose) is “United Bates of America.” True Story. This family was on “America’s got Talent” so they snatched them up. In one of the upcoming episodes, they visit lovingly with the Duggars. The TLC website is still recommending “19 and Counting.” I think their launch date is Aug. 6th. They’ve only got 12 kids right now, but they’re reproducing as fast as they can & are younger than Josh’s enabling parents.

      • Penny

        What are you talking about? You must mean the Willis family. The Bates family already have a series on UP channel. Get your facts straight.

        • KenRob

          Well according to the TLC website their show “United Bates of America” will be debuted on August 6th. So the family is “double dipping?” The Duggars show was also shown on Hulu, who dropped them like a hot potato.

  • MrBlobfish

    Has Dr. Ablow chimed in on any of this yet? I’m too lazy to do my own research.

    • lurch394

      To my knowledge, he has yet to give Ablow job to anyone in this story.

  • jw

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! MAKE IT STOP!

    If I never see a Duggar on TV again (except maybe in a mugshot), it will be too soon.

    Here’s the corporate info for Discovery Communications –

    DCI World HeadquartersOne
    Discovery Place
    Silver Spring, MD 20910

    Tel: 240.662.2000

    Key people Robert Miron (Chairman)
    David M. Zaslav (President and CEO) – david_zaslav@discovery.com

    and this is their viewer relations form which can be filed out online
    http://corporate.discovery.com

    Discovery Communications have an “ethics hotline”.

    http://corporate.discovery.com

    NO MORE DUGGARS!

  • bargal20

    Sorry, TLC, I’m going to see Josh’s fingers all over anything Duggar for the rest of my life.

    • jw

      PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make sure they know you feel that way!! See below

  • Capt.Jim

    I would pay to see Josh finger bang Honey Boo Boo’s mom

    • david green

      Just Ewwww!

  • PigDootsMolloy

    From AmericansAgainstTheTeaParty

  • PigDootsMolloy
  • PigDootsMolloy

    Copy of the report

  • Jack_Carter_USA

    I say do a crossover where Josh Duggar and all the child-banging guys on Honey Boo Boo trade molestation tips.

  • Pinball or Submission

    I feel it must be noted that at minimum one of the two Duggar sisters who would star in this potential spin-off were molested by Josh Duggar, and more than likely they both were. So I say let them have the show and leave their awful parents and brother in the dust. Maybe they could even make that the focus of the show! Follow Josh around on his daily life with a camera crew, interrupt all his conversations with “YES HELLO DID YOU KNOW THIS MAN YOU ARE TALKING TO RAPED ME, HIS LITTLE SISTER, WHEN I WAS NINE YEARS OLD”, and film the reactions.

  • JAWs

    Um…no. With the way this disgusting spectacle is playing out, thus spin-off will involve Jack Nicholson repeatedly slapping on of the girls.

    • Dee Andee

      Could get interesting if he goes all “Shining” on them and they have to stop being stupid and beat him in the head with a baseball bat, then store him with the dry goods.

  • VandeGraf

    A discerning viewer writes to ask if there will be oral sex content?

  • dshwa

    Hmm, josh didn’t get to be part of the weddings of the two leading candidates to have been his victims… Seems like that whole “it was your fault he abused you and you have to forgive him thing” didn’t quite take.

  • I would watch a show about Ben Seewald and Derick Dillard raising a family together.

  • janecita

    For fucks sakes, can this whole family go the fuck away!!!

  • If Josh digitally penetrated his victims are they still virgins? And if not are their marriages valid in the eyes of their whacked out god?

  • SadDemInTex

    Is there a family in the land that does not harbor secrets ugly, disgusting, horrible, destructive? Of course, the Duggars considered themselves to be so godly it just begged for this kind of truly hideous revelation. There is not enough money in the world to compensate me for the invasion of my privacy and the exposure of information that would be damaging to me in the eyes of the world. The only good that I see coming from this is showing the world what this cult is all about. I often refer to C. S. Lewis in these situations “Christianity has not been tried and found wanting…it has been found difficult and not tried” I wonder what New Pope thinks of this?

    • Lizzietish81

      My family was pretty dysfunctional.

      Still no incest.

      • SadDemInTex

        Yeah…that reminds me of my uncle’s comment when my young brother-in-law committed suicide…”we were completely fucked up as a family but none of us committed suicide”….. Yeah….we were that fucked up that not killing yourself was viewed as an achievement.

    • DsMTwoShoes

      How does Pope Francis fit in to your scenario?

      • SadDemInTex

        I dunno….I suppose I thought he would have a wise view from a Christian viewpoint…and as the Catholic church has had to deal with pedo issues. I like him and want solace.

  • JParkerSD46

    Well, we all know, and have known for quite some time, that the Duggar batch are totally messed up. But what does it say about the millions (holy crap!!!) that tune in to actually watch these morons? Really, they have no better way to spend their time? Yikes.

  • Sheesko

    I’ve been hearing promos for a new TLC (Totally Looney Christians?) show about submissive wives. Oy.

    • Dee Andee

      Oh gawd, I know. Wonkette mocked them about a week-and-a-half ago. ;D Gross gross gross.

  • sillyclucker

    I would be willing to bet Daddy Duggar is doing the negotiating and will get a cut if this goes through.

    • Dee Andee

      Why not, he totally micro-managed the ‘courtships’ of these 2 girls, why not continue to run their lives?

  • AlwaysSumthin

    TLC = Touching Little Children

    They have never addressed when the company was made aware of the abuse and whether they kept silent for ratings and advertising dollars. They have a long sordid history of “reality shows” that involve sexual abuse or individuals on the shows promoting sexual abuse.

    They are under the impression that people are willing to watch sex abuse victims who have received no appropriate therapy waiting for the other shoe to drop.

  • Celtic_Gnome

    Well, we would imagine not! Especially since there are reports out there that Josh Duggar is the sibling everybody hated anyway and (gossip gossip gossip) this is why Josh wasn’t a part of Jessa’s or Jill’s weddings.

    Or maybe some unpleasant bedtime memories from Jessa and Jill were a factor.

  • bobbert

    Aaron Rodgers’ evil twin is freaking me out.

  • DsMTwoShoes

    Not wanting to be one that said “I told you so!”.
    But I did!
    TLC Programers could give a flying fuck about morality, common decency, common sense or propriety.
    Their soul motivation is ratings.
    And the Duggars know a cash cow when they see one. Does anyone with an IQ above that of a Kochroache believe these clown could generate an income equal to 25% of what TLC forks out?
    This now epitomizes the state of television in today’s America!

  • Cheryl Baer

    I so wish I could boycott TLC. But I’d have to start watching it first, and that’s not going to happen.

    • david green

      I take it this TLC thing is some sort of cable channel?

      • Ceiling Cat

        Touching Little Children- or TLC for short- is available on cable and satellite.

  • PirateCafe

    I asked my insurer to stop advertising on the Touching Little Children network and end their sponsorship of this family. Here’s their response:

    “Thank you for sharing your concerns with us. Let me assure you that we value your opinion and your business.

    GEICO
    does not take positions or endorse opinions on programs where our
    advertising is run. We purchase much of our advertising at the national
    level and it appears in a wide range of media.

    GEICO has long
    been, and continues to be, an insurer for everyone. As with any large
    national insurance company, our customer base is comprised of
    individuals who represent virtually every position on every issue. We
    support the first amendment rights of our policyholders and we strive to
    provide them with exceptional customer service, without regard to their
    views and beliefs. Thank you again for taking the time to share your
    concerns with us.

    Thank you for using our online services. We
    appreciate your business, and we look forward to serving your insurance
    needs for years to come.

    Sincerely,

    Richard Armaiz-Ortiz
    GEICO Internet Team”

    • ganmerlad

      That’s really weaselly. I think what it may be is they don’t want to have to renegotiate their advertising because they purchased a package rather than advertising for one particular slot. Maybe they have to pay more if they pull out of one show or something. Either that or fundies are a big part of their demographics. (Seems that the Gilbert Gottfried Aflac duck would appeal to yahoos more than an English accented gecko though.)

      • PirateCafe

        Very weaselly!

        I understand they may be reluctant to renegotiate their advertising, but that would be a small price to pay for ensuring (or is that *insuring*) their product won’t be paired with and sponsoring a child molester. Didn’t they stop advertising on Limbaugh’s show after his outburst of slut shaming?

  • MyLovelyNose

    I’m hoping they see the most dollars in exposing the whole story. Dangle enough money in front of Jessa and she’ll spill. She wants so badly to keep her pretty face on the TV screen, and she probably figures, “I can keep my pretty fingers clean of this whole thing, and just make money by smiling and smiling.”

  • Marym

    Well well, Josh is back in the news, Ashley Madison.

  • Ceiling Cat

    We’ll finally get to see some blanket training at it finest.

    Is it just me or are the couples very similar? Face, skin tone, frown lines, empty and vacant stares..? Is it the inbreeding or the water over there?

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