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It’s been a while since we reminded you that with Obamacare, everyone wins, right?

Like that one lady who was all, “Oh no, I cannot afford my cancer treatment now because of how Obamacare makes it so much more expensive!” except that Obamacare was saving her money on her cancer treatment, and she did not even have to say THANKS OBAMA! And all those folks in Oklahoma who are saving sooooo many shiny nickels on their medicine now because, that’s right, Obamacare. And that one sheriff who hates Obamacare so much, he’d rather die than buy health insurance, but bleeding heart liberals are giving them their hard-earned monies to help him pay off his medical bills anyway, and that’s hard-earned monies they probably only have laying around because of how they’re not as dumb as their sheriff and have purchased better, cheaper health insurance, thanks to Obamacare. And then, of course, there’s the federal government, which is spending less on health care costs than previously predicted, which sounds like the kind of spending cuts fiscal conservatism some political party is generally in favor of, but we can’t remember who that is right now.

But we haven’t brought up any of that since at least yesterday (it was yesterday), so here is another reminder for you that with Obamamcare, everyone wins:

A massive expansion of insurance programs like Medicaid and a drop in emergency room visits saved hospitals at least $7.4 billion over the last year, the Obama administration announced Monday.

With millions more people covered under ObamaCare last year, hospitals faced fewer bills from patients who lacked insurance and were unable to pay. Hospitals also saw fewer emergency room visits, which rack up far higher costs and often leave hospitals with the tab.

Huh and gee whiz and no one could have predicted (except for everyone who isn’t A Idiot totally did predict) that fewer people would rely on rushing to the hospital for their basic health care needs if they could just figure out some way — like, say, access to affordable health insurance, maybe? — to just go see a doctor when they need to see a doctor like someone who lives in an industrialized nation that always prides itself on having The Best Health Care System IN THE WORLD!

So, let’s see. Individuals are winning by saving money. The federal government is winning by saving money. Now hospitals are winning by saving money. Basically, everyone is winning with Obamacare — except for Republicans because of how they were so hoping Obamacare would fail and they’d be able to say, “See, we told you so? Give us the White House!” And they are really sick and tired of hearing about how nope, that’s not what’s happened, in fact, it’s just the opposite. But other than them, everyone wins.  Oh, sure, there’s always the chance the Supreme Court could make the whole thing fall apart because of a drafting error, so there’s still hope. Seems like a fair enough deal.

[The Hill]

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  • Zippy

    Worst

    death panels

    ever!

  • JMPesq

    It’s almost like government doing its fucking job and helping the people works better than just leaving everyone to the whims of the free market.

    • Anarchy Pony

      Commie!

    • sw19womble

      Loosening the bottleneck at the top to allow the “free market” to work better/properly. But, yeah, potato potahtoh…. :)

  • Villago Delenda Est

    No, not everyone wins under Obamacare.

    Those who make money off the suffering of others are seeing less of it now, which gives them a sad.

    • No, actually insurance companies are doing quite well!

      • Tallmutha

        But people who get erections from the suffering of others, not as much.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        The insurance companies are middlemen in all this. Where the pain is really being felt is the entire ‘let’s order a few more tests (at the lab I own)” segment of the health care providers

    • Zippy

      the dominatrix biz just ain’t what it used to be

      • Virginia Dreaming

        They may have start being nice to masochists as a sideline.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          Masochist: “Beat me, hurt me, make me write bad checks!”

          Sadist: “No!”

          • Fun with Cthulhu

            Why do you hang around with that sadist?

            Beats me.

  • Tendernob

    That’s nothing. Obama also destroyed my wireless network, drank the last of the Boone’s Farm, mixed my coloreds with my (laundry) whites, nailed my husband’s head to a coffee table, then ate crackers in bed and left crumbs. Not to mention he made me run a red light and I got a ticket. INPEECH NAO!!6!

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Excuse me? Obama failed to let the cat out and eat the local songbirds? Damn, he’s on his thin black ass AGAIN!

    • AnOuthouse

      My coffee table has a glass top so I’m having difficulty picturing this. He just left body there for you to clean up? Thanks Obama.

    • bobbert

      I like you.

  • HereForDaComments

    Can’t wait to see how Fox will spin this bit of reality. Oh, wait. I don’t watch Fox. Can someone do it for me? I have cookies. <3

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      Tonight on Fox News: Will Ferguson protesters finally apologize for Benghazi?

      • HereForDaComments

        Ha!

      • Zippy

        Stand down, don’t shoot!

        (shamelessly stolen from JS)

        • SuspectedDemocrat

          Why the hell not. Most nights on TDS I hear jokes I read earlier in the day on wonkette.

          • Zippy

            I’ve always suspected that they mine the comments (that do not exist)

          • We’re a clever bunch, ’round these parts…

          • HereForDaComments

            I just found this site (from another), and I’m in lurrrrve (not in a creepy, stalking way — well, not yet). The writing is great, and the comments make me have to cross my legs sometimes. Thanks for the laughs, weebles. :)

          • sw19womble

            Have to cross your legs? Hey, ain’t no transvaginal ultrasounding going on around here! :(

          • HereForDaComments

            But … but … but I was promised it. It’s in the roolz. *has a huge sad*

          • SterWonk

            If you’re here for the comments, you’ll be sorely disappointed. Everyone knows commenting is not allowed at Wonkette!

          • laineypc

            From the Commentariat?

    • Anarchy Pony

      They probably won’t say anything at all.

    • Grokenstein

      War on Easter 2015!!!

    • Callyson

      I have cookies

      Unless they’re baked with a “special ingredient,” I’m going to need a liquid refreshment to get me anywhere near Faux News.

      • HereForDaComments

        Okay, make that brownies with special tasty stuff that provides fiber and any beverage of your choice. Doubled.

      • AnOuthouse

        There is no way I’m getting anywhere near Fox while high. That’s so clockwork orange. I’ll take the cookies, put on some Jerry Garcia Band and make some gerbil noises that mimic the output of whatever comes out of mouths of the vermin on Fox.

      • Toomush_Infer

        How about if I make it up – that’s what they’re going to do anyway. Watch this:……….”Ted Cruz!….Benghottcha!….Hilryz a bich.”
        …. do I get cookies?……Wait! Not that kind!!!…. my computer can’t take any more abuse!….

      • Virginia Dreaming

        [img]http://i.imgur.com/WCjpW0s.gif[/img]

        • SterWonk

          Love that movie! Especially love all the shout-outs to grade-A nerds (Crick, Pascal, Eiffel, Hilbert, Escher). And showing that Will Ferrell could do fairly dramatic acting.

  • Toomush_Infer

    And now, apparently, Ted Cruz is on Obamacare….

    • Zippy

      and not one of his dimwitted groupies will make the connection

    • tihond

      This was all part of Obama’s plan. Now he implements the death panels.

  • SuspectedDemocrat

    Yeah, okay. I know a lot of work went into doing the math on various economic models and the results bear that out, but couldn’t we just repeal it and replace it with “affordable health care?” It sounds so easy, I bet President Cruz could do that his first day in office!

    • bikerlaureate

      CruzCare – for the right sort of Americans!

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Are you a member of dad’s congregation? No? Then you’re not the right sort of American!

    • Lefty Frizzell

      I think Rubio has the “first day” position locked up – to get to the right, Cruz will have to repeal Obamacare AND amend the constitution to ban gay marriage in his first hour in office. Ben Carson will just have to do what he can with the first minute.

      • sw19womble

        Blow Dan Savage?

      • malsperanza

        Basically that means the nucular option. Although it may take him more than a minute to find Iran on a map.

  • Well, it’s a start! At this rate, you’ll have a single payer system right after Florida sinks into the sea!

    • Zippy

      I can’t wait

      (for either)

      • sw19womble

        Can we keep Key West? Okay, maybe not all the Keys, but I did love riding the 7-Mile Bridge, just as sun was setting, several years ago….

        • Blank Ron

          Better start building ’em up now before the price of clean fill goes through the roof.

  • chicken thief

    Meh, HHS numbers. We’ll wait for the unskewed numbers.

    ~ Teatards everywhere

  • OneYieldRegular

    Come on, with all these people saving money, somebody has to be losing money, right? Probably insurance company executives – the real victims of Obamacare.

    • tihond

      Will no one think of the one percent?

    • laineypc

      …and they go bankrupt en masse and voila, single payer can swoop in to save the day.

  • tihond

    This is Great News! For John McCain!

  • Paperless Tiger

    So, Obamacare works and government works, so that’s double jeopardy for Republicans. They will have to tell twice as many lies now, if that’s possible.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      They’ll find a way. Rafael and Mario were demonstrating just how many more they have the other day.

    • KinkyReggae

      We all know they’ll have the money to lie through their teeth…repeatedly.

    • So, since they’re already at peak lie, are they going to have to talk twice as fast, or twice as long?

      • Anarchy Pony

        Yes.

      • bobbert

        There is no peak lie.

        • True. I meant that 100% of what they say is lies, but I suppose their lies DO always get worse and more blatant…

      • david green

        Not twice as fast – Two, yes count ’em, two Fox networks.

        • Blank Ron

          Cool, now I have a NEW nightmare to keep me awake at nights. Thanks bunches.

  • chicken thief

    And the savings would have been greater had all states participated in the Medicaid expansion.

    Lookin’ at you, Red States….

    • memzilla

      Louie Gohmert says, “Not on my watch!”

      • Virginia Dreaming

        Of course, not on his watch. He has a picture of Snoopy on his watch.

        • chicken thief

          But the ties! So Preznitial looking!!!!!

          • bobbert

            You know, as the Presidential derpy starts to spin up, Louie is gonna become an afterthought for a while.

            You might want to glom onto another moron for the short term. Dr Ben springs to mind. Just sayin’.

          • chicken thief

            Passing derp – the Cain’s and Carson’s of election cycles is passing derp. Mah main man Louie Gohmert howevz is lasting derp. No one is going to unseat that fucker thus providing some stable, long term derp.

            And the ties…. omg! The ties!

        • TootsStansbury

          Plus he wears it upside down. He licks it sometimes also, too.

          • onedollarjuana

            Bet he buys an iWatch. Because it’s an “I” watch.

          • OneYieldRegular

            “iWatch” sounds so…dirty.

    • onedollarjuana

      Just think how much we could save if we could get all those fat diabetics into clinics….

  • memzilla

    Not only that, but I can choose between mahogany, knotty pine, and walnut for my death panels!

    • Tansy Geek

      What, no maple or cherry?

      • memzilla

        You know that’s only the Gold Plan, you commie elitist.

      • AnOuthouse

        Maple=Canada
        Cherry=sounds dirty.

        • anniegetyerfun

          Cherry also = Canada

    • O4FSake

      Love the knotty pine death paneling from the 50’s.

  • chicken thief

    So tranny over-reacharounds are a good thing?!

  • Virginia Dreaming

    “It’s been a while since we reminded you that with Obamacare, everyone wins, (except Ted Cruz) right?”
    FIFY

  • Obamacare is working so well even Ted Cruz is signing up…. no, really, Ted Cruz is signing up.

    • AnOuthouse

      He already qualified for Alberta universal health care.

      • Blank Ron

        Maybe he’s homesick?

  • chicken thief

    So Obama pocketed $7.4B with a ‘b’ billion and won’t help the poor sheriff out with his medical expenses? Why does Obama hate our law enforcement officials?

    • Zippy

      it’s his anti colonial Kenyan upbringing

    • Virginia Dreaming

      Obama is not as presidential as Louie?

  • KinkyReggae

    ObamaCare is still a horrible failure – because Obama!

    • AnOuthouse

      And tyranny.

  • Serolf Divad

    I have it on good authority that there’s even Obamacare in Galt’s Gulch.

    • sw19womble

      That’s because of all the Congresscritters that live there.

    • Haven’t seen you in a while and with your Bertrand Russel avatar intact. The guys in the barracks in Vietnam would walk by my area with serious doubts as they looked at the two posters I had on my wall; that Bertrand Russell photo and the one of Raquel Welch in her animal skin bikini from 1,000,000 BC

      • Serolf Divad

        Lol, that’s amazing! I’d love a poster of that image. I can barely find a little jpeg on Google images.

  • FauxAntocles

    This is wrecking the “trickle up” economy!

  • elpinche

    LONGER LIVES = MORE TAXES, MORE COMMUNISM

    Open your eyes sheeple.

    • SnarkOff

      DEMOCRATS=NAZI’S

  • Callyson

    the kind of spending cuts fiscal conservatism some political party is generally in favor of, but we can’t remember who that is right now

  • Callyson

    Nearly 70 percent of those savings came from states that have expanded the eligibility for Medicaid under ObamaCare. The 29 states with Medicaid expansions saved a total of $5 billion last year, compared to the $2.4 billion saved in states that did not expand the program.

    The government’s report — which focuses on the benefits of Medicaid expansion — is an effort to entice states that have been politically resistant to expanding the program.

    If all states had allowed more people to sign up for Medicaid, their hospitals could have saved an extra $1.4 billion, the report finds.

    The states that passed this up remind me of people who boast about the money they saved by using coupons and only buying things that are on sale…and then end up spending money on crap they don’t need, use, or even want. Fucking wasteful…

    • sw19womble

      *quickly pushes wallet filled with coupons out of Cally’s sight*

      • Callyson

        (present company excluded from above analysis)

    • AnOuthouse

      I’ll use the 5 jars of peanut butter eventually and the plug in fresh scent pine forest air freshener.

      • HereForDaComments

        Martha Stewart probably has a recipe for that.

        • ThePuckStopsHere

          She does but it’s for prison wine.

    • HereForDaComments

      Don’t knock coupon insanity! I had a sister-in-law who did that couponing thing and amassed tons of STUFF she’d never use. (“BUT IT’S FREE!!!”) Whenever I needed something like Swanson’s Baby Yak Broth, I’d knock on her door. She saved me mucho dinero, plus I didn’t have to go to The Store.

      Always befriend a coupony person, especially if you like pasta and “something-wiff-cheeeese”.

      • AnOuthouse

        Hmmmmm… Yak broth.

      • onedollarjuana

        The problem with coupons is not the coupons per se, it’s the dopes who wait until everything’s checked through, and then chime up with “Oh, I have some coupons!” and then the poor, underpaid cashier has to uncheck everything, recheck everything, all the time arguing with the customer about expired coupons/coupons for different items than on cashier’s stand/coupons from different stores/etc.

    • willi0000000

      a shame you never knew my mother . . . she never used a coupon for something unless we needed it . . . she saved coupons for people who she knew used a product that she didn’t and gave them away . . . and she could go to the supermarket and bring out three bags of groceries for about $3.

      all this while working two nights a week, raising five boys and taking better care of Dad than anybody could.

      [it’s been years, but whenever someone mentions coupons, i get a bit teary]

      • anniegetyerfun

        I wish she had written a book. I suck at coupons.

        • willi0000000

          what she did was deceptively simple* . . . every day she would scan the paper and any flyers for victims . . . always where she had a pair of scissors . . . cut only what you need/want (or somebody else uses) . . . shop from a list and clip the coupons to the list.

          * re: ‘deceptively simple’ Mum seemed to be a nice lady with no distinguishing characteristics (except being the most helpful and caring person you ever met) . . . but she had a mind like a steel trap! . . . and a perseverance that would not be denied.

      • I got out of the coupon habit as a result of getting too well paid. But when I did my personal best was $14 for an over $100 grocery bill. I’m starting to get back into it as like ancient and unemployed.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        My mom was one of those … and living in an area with too many big supermarkets, it was coupon heaven. Between the “buy one, get two for free” deals, and all of the stores offering to honor the other stores’ coupons, she would sometimes actually get paid to take things home. Anything she didn’t need – which was about half of what she bought – she’d set aside for the local food bank. They would send somebody over once a week to collect it all.

        • willi0000000

          and i’ll bet she knew the rule: best to use the coupon when there’s a sale!

          • Blank Ron

            The coupon syndicate’s on to that one now. Take a look at all the fine print. *sighs*

      • bobbert

        Coupons can be pretty useful. But you have make them your religion. I’m lucky to be 30% efficient, because fuck it.

        • willi0000000

          i guess it came easier to those who went through the depression . . . couponing wasn’t a religion for my mother . . . cheap was! . . . she could nail one end of a dollar to the front porch and take the other end for a cross-country hike.

          [when i say ‘cross-country’ i mean it . . . like from Everett MA to Everett WA]

    • MsAnthropesMr

      Yes, and then they use all of them in front of you in the checkout line and pay with a check.

  • Bill Slider

    To help get the GOP off the hook on Obamacare, some Member of Congress should introduce legislation to amend the Constitution to repeal the Constitutional amendment that limits the President to serving no more than two terms.

    • sw19womble

      I mean, while they’re adjusting that bit about only natural-born Americans being President….

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      The Rethugs would be so torn: a chance to screw Hillary, but possibly (likely) an Obama third term.

  • Me not sure

    In my state the governor and legislature didn’t establish a state exchange or expand Medicaid. Rural hospitals all across GA are closed or are closing due to their inability to receive compensation for treating
    the uninsured. Did I mention job losses?

    • AnOuthouse

      Thanks Obama.

    • ThatDale

      But we have the comfort of ideological purity, just as soon as we pass the RFRA, right?

    • bobbert

      Sorry. Fucking demographics.

  • r m reddicks

    Just because. Right snark. Wouldn’t want anyone living in a bubble. Odd folks, these.

    http://www.youngcons.com/cbs-tries-getting-ted-cruz-on-obamacare-question-response-is-legendary/

    • HereForDaComments

      And none of those morons took him to task for his obvious lies and distortions. Journalism *hack hack* at its best.

      • r m reddicks

        Imagine having to read the comments. Mine eyes bleed at the thought.

        • HereForDaComments

          *giving you eye tampons*

          I love how the “panel” allowed Rafael to spew his lies without once saying, “Now, wait. That’s not true.” Liberal media bias, my azz.

        • jmk

          I tried… it’s really about what you’d expect – a bunch of dim, angry, low-info Bamz haters all parroting the Bagger party line while calling anyone who doesn’t do so “sheep” and going on about how libruls just hate Amurka and want it to fail (although some of them do seem able to spell).

    • bobbert

      Most of those “Young Conservatives” are probably older than I.

  • TootsStansbury

    I did a no-no and didn’t read all of the comments but what’s the over under on these fuckers coming out and saying “It was our idea in the first place! Nya Nya!”?

    • Anarchy Pony

      I’ll give you 60/40 against.

    • Grokenstein

      “Lincoln was a Republican! Martin Luther King Jr. was a conservative!”

  • ViveLaRes

    In Florida, which has neither expanded Medicaid nor created a state exchange, this is causing major cognitive dissonance among hospital executives. They tend to be Republicans because rich, but they really want them some Obamacare revenue. The teabagger lege doesn’t give a rat’s ass about them. Being a lobbyist for the Florida Hospital Assn must be a blast right about now.

    • Rick Hill

      Their likely strategy, to make enough states so bad that the people will believe them when they talk about how the democrats screwed everything up.

    • Charismatic_dairy_goats

      Floridian tolerance for cognitive dissonance is legend:
      Stand Your Ground (unless you’re a victim of domestic abuse)
      Seas Are Not Rising, Neither Are Temperatures (never mind the floods and droughts)
      And the national redneck favorite senior Floridians love,
      Keep Government Out of Medicare!
      When we hit Peak Dissonance, do all their heads explode?

  • hi ted!

    fuflans, ACA navigator here! i got your contact info from jeb bush over at Florida, who said your wife just lost her employer based health insurance and now your family needs coverage? we would be delighted to help with that!

    the enrollment process can be a little tricky (especially if you’re a naturalized citizen), but i’ve helped hundreds of people sign up for quality affordable health insurance. i’m sure your family will be pleased with the options available to them. and depending on your income you may qualify for help paying your premiums!

    just as a reminder (though i’m sure you know this), the ACA says that you can’t be rejected from an insurance plan because of a pre-existing condition and there are no lifetime or annual maximums. And the ACA is actually saving money – for both private organizations like hospitals, as well as local, state and federal governments. i mention this only because you’ll likely hear some misinformation (including some from members of Congress which is crazy!) about what the ACA actually does.

    anyway, we’ll need you to bring your state ID or driver’s license, some estimate of household income and any naturalization papers if you weren’t born in the US. information about your wife’s former employer insurance would also be helpful!

    i think that’s it and let me know what we can do help! and welcome to the 16 million!

    fuflans.

    • bobbert

      Fu, thanks for your navigation, and sarcasm.

  • Rick Hill

    Ok, big savings. How about they cut costs to consumers or improve services and pay for employees?

  • geoffalnutt

    This isn’t really about Obamacare , anyway. This is about anything Obamafied…they hate him so much. The GOP reminds me of Orcs. Slavering, stinking, enraged spittle-flecked monsters. Their husbands aren’t any better, either.

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      Dang! I knew we shouldn’t have called it Obamacare. Why couldn’t we think of a better name for this act? Perhaps a name that conveys patient protection as well as affordable care. Nothing comes to mind… Oh, will we ever learn?

      • DahBoner

        Romneycare?

        • YEVGENYTHERASKOLNIK

          I recollect McCain running on it.

  • SuspectedDemocrat
    • bobbert

      Big ups for Adorable Care Act.

  • DahBoner

    Instead of flipping a Benjamin every week to the greedy motherfucking bastard Insurance companies, look at all the money I’m saving by happily paying the tax penalty and getting my healthcare in a country where an emergency room visit, including overnight stay is $7 *

    *= True Story.

    http://media0.giphy.com/media/5u0uZecUZlUsM/200w.gif

  • Ages ago when helping relatives catalog the papers of a grand parent who had some prestigious positions in the Republican party from the 1930 to his death I came across a couple documents which were parts of drafts for the 1948 and 1952 Republican National Committee Platform. They advocated continued opposition to Social Security as it the single most effective voter incentive to vote for democrats. I suspect Obamacare is so vehemently opposed by republicans now as it could diminish their prospects for decades.

  • You know the most important of the seven signs of Alzheimers is forgetting there are eight.

    • bobbert

      What?

    • Last Hussar

      Have the visitors been?

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) — Just hours after Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas) told CNN that he had no choice but to sign up for Obamacare, President Barack Obama signed an executive order making Cruz ineligible for coverage under the Affordable Care Act.

    “Clearly, the hardship of receiving Obamacare was causing Ted a great deal of pain,” the President said. “This should take care of that.”

    Obama acknowledged that the executive order, which makes Cruz the only American expressly forbidden from signing up for Obamacare, was an extraordinary measure, but added, “I felt it was a necessary humanitarian gesture to protect Ted from the law he hates.”

    Even as he signed the order, the President said that he was “torn” about barring Cruz from coverage, stating,”He’s definitely someone who would benefit from seeing a doctor.”

    In an official statement released later in the day, Cruz blasted the executive order and accused Obama of distorting his position on Obamacare: “I never said I didn’t want to have it. I said I didn’t want everyone else in the country to have it.”
    http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/president-signs-order-making-ted-cruz-ineligible-for-obamacare?intcid=mod-latest

    • Blank Ron

      Darn. I was hoping that was serious…

  • DsMTwoShoes

    Shhhhhhhh let’s not cause a panic.
    Remember tens of millions of Americans have invested everything they have in the failure of the Affordable Care Act!
    And to hear this terrible news would cause many to stroke out or have massive anyourisms!
    But wait! !
    They would all be covered by the Affordable Care Act.
    Or as the Republican Clown Car Set likes to call it; the unconstitutional job killing un American Obamacare Muslim Medical American Killing Act.

  • bobbert

    I’m on the board of a little services district in the Cali foothills. We have a union contract with our small number of employees that is quite generous in benefits, to make up for the pretty shitty base pay. One of the benefits is paid-for health insurance for the employee and family (if any). We actually have a pretty good group plan through a joint powers agency.

    Nevertheless, we think that when we next negotiate the contract, we can offer to pay the premiums for Covered California (exchange) plans, which will be equal to, or better than, the current plans, and pay 30 or 40% less. THIS is a fucking win-win.

    Thanks, Obama.

  • cesium62

    Nope, no drafting error. Saying that a state can designate that the federal government’s market should act as the state’s market in place of the state replicating the work to create it’s own market is not a drafting error.

    • Brandon Scott

      Except that in other places of the bill it states that the federal government can supplement federal exchange plans in all states and the court is not allowed to read the few words in one section of the bill out of context. This challenge has almost no chance of winning in court.

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