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  • Like it’s not bad enough that some trendy dumb parents are refusing to vaccinate their children, and helping to make all-but-extinct diseases like measles ALL THE RAGE. Because yeah, that’s bad enough. But now they’re complaining people who actually believe in science are being SO MEAN about it:

    Members of the anti-vaccine movement said the public backlash had terrified many parents. “People are now afraid they’re going to be jailed,” said Barbara Loe Fisher, the president of the National Vaccine Information Center, a clearinghouse for resisters. “I can’t believe what I’m seeing. It’s gotten so out of hand, and it’s gotten so vicious.”

    Wahhhh. It sure is unfair that parents who refuse to believe in science, and are endangering their children and their entire communities, might suffer any backlash for, like, doing that. Like this parent, who doesn’t understand the point of so-called “medicine,” apparently:

    “There is absolutely no reason to get the shot,” said Crystal McDonald, whose 16-year-old daughter was one of 66 students sent home from Palm Desert High School for the next two weeks because they did not have full measles immunizations.

    After researching the issue and reading information from a national anti-vaccine group, Ms. McDonald said she and her husband, a chiropractor, decided to raise their four children without vaccines. She said they ate well and had never been to the doctor, and she insisted that her daughter was healthier than many classmates. But when the school sent her home with a letter, Ms. McDonald’s daughter was so concerned about missing two weeks of Advanced Placement classes that she suggested simply getting a measles inoculation.

    “I said, ‘No, absolutely not,’ “ Ms. McDonald said. “I said, ‘I’d rather you miss an entire semester than you get the shot.'”

    But hey, if those kinds of parents want to have organic gluten-free unique snowflake children, that’s their right, and they should be allowed to believe whatever they want, even if they are totally and completely wrong:

    Kelly McMenimen, a Lagunitas parent, said she “meditated on it a lot” before deciding not to vaccinate her son Tobias, 8, against even “deadly or deforming diseases.” She said she did not want “so many toxins” entering the slender body of a bright-eyed boy who loves math and geography.

    Tobias has endured chickenpox and whooping cough, though Ms. McMenimen said the latter seemed more like a common cold. She considered a tetanus shot after he cut himself on a wire fence but decided against it: “He has such a strong immune system.”

    Aw. Cute! She meditated on it, then decided that since her kid loves math so much, it’s A-OK to assume his super-strong immune system can withstand anything, and therefore, all the other kids and their parents should be just fine with that too. What could possibly go wrong? Besides, you know, bringing back an epidemic of measles and polio and whatever other diseases we were done with in the last millennium. But besides that …

  • With the first caucus of 2016 only a year away (yes, really), it’s time to start taking this whole Which Republican Is Going To Get To Lose To Hillary thing seriously. So keep your eye on Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker. He could totally be the one to save the party. Or at least that’s what Iowans think. Or at least, that’s what they think for now:

    Presidential stage newcomer Scott Walker, the conservative reform pit bull who inspired death threats from the left, has become the one to watch in the race for the Republican nomination a year out from the Iowa caucuses.

    At 15 percentage points, he leads a big, tightly packed field of potential contenders in a new Des Moines Register/Bloomberg Politics Iowa Poll of likely Republican caucusgoers. The caucuses are scheduled for Feb. 1, 2016.

  • A great read about what life, and electricity, is like in not-U.S. America. Like in Nigeria, for example:

    WE call it light; “electricity” is too sterile a word, and “power” too stiff, for this Nigerian phenomenon that can buoy spirits and smother dreams. Whenever I have been away from home for a while, my first question upon returning is always: “How has light been?” The response, from my gateman, comes in mournful degrees of a head shake.

    Bad. Very bad. […]

    Like other privileged Nigerians who can afford to, I have become a reluctant libertarian, providing my own electricity, participating in a precarious frontier spirit. But millions of Nigerians do not have this choice. They depend on the malnourished supply from their electricity companies.

  • Let’s have some dinosaur news, shall we?

    Paleontologists have discovered a 50-foot “dragon” dinosaur species in China that may have roamed the earth 160 million years ago during the Late Jurassic period. […]

    The dinosaur is the youngest addition to the mamenchisaurid group, which is only found in Asia. The discovery suggests that there may be other species of long-necks within the genus from different continents.

    “Qijianglong shows that long-necked dinosaurs diversified in unique ways in Asia during Jurassic times — something very special was going on in that continent,” said Miyashita.

    “Nowhere else we can find dinosaurs with longer necks than those in China. The new dinosaur tells us that these extreme species thrived in isolation from the rest of the world.”

  • Our friends at Happy Nice Time People have some Very Important News for you about how “sluttery is contagious,” per America’s Most Moral Reality TV Family, the Duggars:

    Apparently there was no cootie shot strong enough for Jill Duggar of 19 Kids fame, who wanted to use her midwifery skills to help big brother Josh’s wife Anna’s younger sister bring a little baby into the world, but Ma and Pa Duggar said no.

    Why? Because the little hussy is unmarried. […]

    Can you imagine our sweet little Jill exposed to a festering va-jay-jay of sin? She might catch the cocklust! Or AIDS! Or worst of all, see that unmarried sex can still lead to a loving mother and healthy child!

  • For the record, some of us would not know how to boil water if it weren’t for Chris Kimball, founder and editor-in-chief of Cooks Illustrated. It is The Best, if you want to learn how to cook food and why to cook food and do you really need to buy that super-expensive fancy kitchen knife? (No, you do not not. The cheap one is better anyway. Thanks, Chris Kimball!) That said, this, from Mallory Ortberg, is genius. Geen-yus:

    Each issue of Cook’s Illustrated begins with a folksy letter with news from down on the old Vermont farm by founder and editor-in-chief Chris Kimball. These charming, old-timey updates remind us all of a slower, simpler way of life, where neighbors stop to swap plowing tips out by the trading post and run when they see Old Henry coming. Who’s Old Henry? Why, what a question, stranger. Old Henry knows who you are. That much is certain. Old Henry knows who you are just fine.

    The Toast has received an advance copy of Mr. Kimball’s most recent letter, which we are proud to publish in full here.

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  • canaduck

    They’re already doing that. Seriously. I can’t confirm the rabies thing but lots of them, at least, are bragging about not vaxxing their dogs for Parvo–a highly contagious disease that kills 91% of dogs exposed after first disintegrating their intestines, causing bloody diarrhea and vomiting.

    It’s actually much worse than it sounds.

    • Dr Dickass

      bloody diarrhea and vomiting sounds pretty bad lol

  • ibwilliamsi

    “Members of the anti-vaccine movement said
    the public backlash had terrified many parents. “People are now afraid
    they’re going to be jailed,” said Barbara Loe Fisher…”

    Not surprising from a group that thinks that vaccines cause autism.

    • Dr Dickass

      even if Vaccines caused autism I would rather my child have that than..well die

    • Sonja Henie

      I’d like to jail her. She’s running an organization with a very misleading name.

      • AutismDadd

        Sure KATIA

  • Nelson Kerr

    A parent not deciding to get a tetanus shot is more liley, and That parent need to be put in jail forever.

  • Nelson Kerr

    They seem tp be evenly split between RWNJ and the g granla eating equileverts on the Lewft, the only thing they have in common is a deep and cherished paranoia and a magnificent level of willful ignorance. This is not a right -left thing it is a simple good and evil thing

  • Nelson Kerr

    Onl yif the Island is submerged.

  • Nelson Kerr

    Most ODs are fully trained MDs also or at least trained to the same standards,

  • Ugh, this is one of the most difficult issues I’ve seen in a while. I know that vaccines are safe and that they are almost invariably helpful, but I also know that we suffer from obscene regulatory capture and that the state isn’t always trustworthy when it comes to health (see: bacteriological warfare testing on unsuspecting, unwilling test subjects in a subway). I really, really wish that anti-vaxxers were interested in facts, but they’re just garden-variety conspiracy theorists who can, by definition, never be convinced that they’ve reached an incorrect conclusion. This wouldn’t be a problem if they didn’t put other people in danger, but they do. They also manage to make the right and duty to protect your children from harm into an excuse for reviving and spreading horrible diseases. I can’t tolerate the notion of allowing the state to forcibly order the alteration of every child’s body on its own say-so, but how the hell else can you protect the rest of the people? These parents make our right to refuse into a weapon turned against their own kids, so how the hell can I effectively advocate it?

    • AutismDadd

      You have the nerve to use the word rational then spout this nonsense?

      • Yes, because it’s rational. Parents should have the right to make their own decisions about what substances are allowed in their children’s bodies, but that right has been taken up by conspiracy theorists, people who trust mommy blogs more than actual science, and terminal victims of Dunning-Kruger Disease (possibly caused by chemtrails?). Now that they’re abusing that right in the absence of actual need, public health is suffering and presenting a danger to everyone. That abuse, by people like you, makes it difficult for me to advocate for a right that I feel is very important.

        • AutismDadd

          So you can copy/paste from the manual.

          • Huh?

          • AutismDadd

            Yea pretend you don’t have one.

          • I don’t. Do you have any evidence that I’m operating out of some manual?

          • AutismDadd

            Language you use…pure troll

          • Compare it to how I write about law, guns, history, civil rights, language, and everything else I find on Disqus. I must be operating out of a lot of manuals!!

          • AutismDadd

            That’s your business…troll on Dude!

          • No evidence…I win!

          • AutismDadd

            Troll on

          • Boris Ogon

            Language you use…pure troll

            I’m guessing that the Yoda impersonation here is merely dumb luck.

          • AutismDadd

            Nothing dumb about it.

    • transportjohnny

      Ken, it is a very difficult issue. While vaccines are 100% good for many people….there is an mount of people that they are 100% NOT good for. My kids are 100% Vaxxed to age 12…..but no more….definitely not HPV. We had mild reactions to vaccines AND Infections. I can tell you….it has to be about individual choice and tailoring the vax schedule, eliminating combo vaccines or grouped vaccines.

      Ask any doc, with very specific questions….they will NEVER tell you they are risk free…..cause the are NOT….however, it is about calculating risk……when you have already had a bad reaction…the risk is, probably more greater, than getting the diseases itself.

      • I’m not sure we agree on all the details, but we definitely agree that vaccination should (ideally) be a matter of thoughtful recommendation, consideration of risks, and an informed, voluntary decision to vaccinate, not vaccinate, or alter the schedule. I see two disturbing extremes in the pro-/anti-vax debate, and I don’t see a really positive outcome from either one. Some advocate stripping away parents’ and individuals’ rights to control the administration of body-altering chemicals, and some advocate stripping away our community protection from serious disease. What scares me is that instead of skepticism and an impartial quest for safety, the conspiracy mindset has set in and that’s basically impossible to break.

        • transportjohnny

          I agree on most points….However, being most of the way to 50 y/o I have seen the march towards mandatory or recommended vaccines. My kids are vaxxed at the early 2000’s and current schedule up to 12 y/o……..We did have minor adverse events……but the long term issues have been confirmed by docs asking about adverse reactions to vaccines. They know there is an issue for some……It is quite a complex issue….However……

          Chicken pox probably could be possibly elective. HPV for sure elective. Some others elective……like menactra should be elective. It really is about calculating risk.

          I would disagree somewhat with the conspiracy thoughts….Most people who are skeptical are so because of adverse events….both minor and severe, have nothing to gain by speaking about their own experiences……and their skepticism has only been fueled by the intransigence of main stream medicine saying there is no issues with vaccines….when all the evidence…both actual and circumstantial say otherwise.

          • Well, you wind up with sterling examples of self-proclaimed “skeptics” whose first reaction to any kind of scrutiny is to confidently proclaim everybody to be a paid shill for the pharmaceutical industry. Trying to talk to them about the reality of risks and benefits is like trying to reason with somebody who just knows that the moon landing was faked, or that AIDS was invented by the CIA, or that commercial airliners are dumping thousands or millions of tons of mind control vapor into the air, or that Jews lied about the Holocaust ever existing, or any number of claims. The way they talk, they way they reason, and the way they react to criticism and evidence is precisely the same.

          • transportjohnny

            It is a highly charged issue on both sides. There is VICP, VAERS….and enough evidence within the vaccine info data sheets to say bad reactions happen. You have main stream medicine saying there is NO LINK. Some docs will say “yeah but”…….”it is about calculated risk” to both the vaccine or the disease”. But as a whole, there is a major amount of intransigence and disregard from main stream medicine when we have had this explosion in behavioral changes, ASD, Pandas, PANS, ADHD, Allergies, Asthma, Diabetes……and the list goes on. You cannot keep manipulating the immune system without some bad things happening.

            Their response to everything is drugs……MY GOD have you ever seen the drug commercials. Almost everyone of the recent decades school shooters were on “main stream meds”.

            Again, I challenge the thinking on many of these diseases. HPV being a major one that is NOT needed or need not be recommended or mandated.

  • Bri

    The study on this points to a correlation between increased exposure and increased autism rates. They say nothing about exposure period.

  • Bri

    Calling anyone an idiot is an ad hominem and makes you just as bad as someone who refuses to look at evidence. This is the same crap mentality that liberal college students are using to silence opposing viewpoints.

    This is a fairly simple argument, all you have to say is show me scientific evidence demonstrating a correlation between vaccines and autism.

    • Fionnbarr Casey

      If someone gets my kids sick with illness that could easily have been prevented with vaccines because their parents refused to give them so, yeah no I will gladly call them idiots

      • Bri

        And that is your right, but don’t expect to be taken seriously.

        • Fionnbarr Casey

          You’d be surprised since, I don’t know, most normal people think vaccines should be administered

          • Bri

            This is a red herring, it has nothing to do with what I stated.

  • AutismDadd

    Below is sufficient evidence that most pro-vac posters are seriously flawed in their capacity to comprehend the real would. Not only are they vulgar, they are filled with hate. Taking advice or letting them influence what you think is not advisable. Mimic at your own risk.

    • pg

      AD, many of these posts are astroturfed. The average person who vaccinates their kids doesn’t give a s@#t about all this, they typically believe their kids are protected and they move on.

      • Boris Ogon

        AD, many of these posts are astroturfed.

        Oh, yay, you’re in receipt of second- or third-hand slogans (or worse, given that Scuz is already inventing brain-dead neologisms) from Sharyl Attkisson!

        There are actually three separate parts here: (1) the mysterious proposition that money would be enough to induce someone to suffer idiocy such as yours and Dudd’s; (2) the cost-effectiveness of simply allowing frequently semiliterate antivaccine cranks to discredit themselves; and (3) that little problem with the money sources of the antivaccine propaganda machine.*

        I’m amazed (but not yet entirely convinced) that Dudd may have created an actual paragraph under its own steam today. Then again, @disqus_sSPvohCccP:disqus seems to have been the one to necromance this, something that is usually Dudd’s bailiwick.**

        * Hai, Andrea and Barry!
        ** “I have an innate ability to think.”

        • pg

          Lol, you’re either a paid liar yourself, or a hardcore dupe. Only you know the answer to that, I couldn’t care less.

      • transportjohnny

        Yeah, but when you have had adverse reactions or mild reactions and your child is changed…..only then are you screwed.

        Educate yourself on your genetics and familial history, ask questions and proceed how you think is best for your kids.

    • Joe_HTH

      You are dangerously ignorant.

      • AutismDadd

        Here’s one now. Note the worthless response.

  • transportjohnny

    Are you a Germ Theory denialist????

  • Fionnbarr Casey

    Anyone who doesn’t agree with vaccines is a fucking dips hit and deserves all the backlash. I’ve studied medicine currently in Med school this is a fucking ridiculous social phenomenon. None of the fucktard refuting it aren’t scientifically educated and have no credibility to do so

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