HEY HEY NRA  1:00 pm December 17, 2012

Joe Scarborough To No Longer Be A Dick (At Least About Guns)

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Estproph December 17, 2012 at 1:01 pm

About fuckin time

actor212 December 17, 2012 at 1:54 pm

Yes, and maybe now he can go around the nation and apologize to the hundreds of families and thousands of people who died while he had to be persuaded how wrong he used to be.

Weedlord BonerHitler December 17, 2012 at 2:47 pm

Hundreds of families? Nearly 10,000 people die each year as a result of gun violence, according to the media's current stats. If we actually compile the information, what will we find?

Guppy December 17, 2012 at 5:00 pm

Does "gun violence" include accidental discharge?

Negropolis December 18, 2012 at 2:17 am

Yes, and accidental shootings account for a small percentage of overall gun deaths in America, and we're talking less than 5%.

BTW, suicides routinely account for over 50% of gun deaths on any given year.

johnnyzhivago December 17, 2012 at 1:02 pm

Good for him…. I watched the show, he seemed genuinely pissed…

red_kira December 17, 2012 at 2:16 pm

I watched the show too, and he did seem genuinely pissed. He's still a dick, though. Still, baby steps, I guess.

Also? The self-satisfied "aren't we stupefied by grief" tone of the show, coupled with the VH1-worthy music cues, was vomit-inducing.

BaldarTFlagass December 17, 2012 at 1:03 pm

"Joe Scarborough To No Longer Be A Dick"

It'll pass.

Oblios_Cap December 17, 2012 at 1:12 pm

Hopefully, for him, like a kidney stone.

Jus_Wonderin December 17, 2012 at 1:15 pm

One of those spikey ones.

brditsme December 17, 2012 at 1:35 pm

I don't know. Wasn't he also the guy who honestly reacted to Mitt pandering to a crowd with "Oh Jesus." People can change.

BaldarTFlagass December 17, 2012 at 1:52 pm

I for one hope you're right. But I'd be a lot more impressed if he was saying this stuff on Fox rather than MSNBC.

BoroPrimorac December 17, 2012 at 2:27 pm

He still voted for Romney.

Negropolis December 18, 2012 at 2:21 am

Bingo.

bureaucrap December 17, 2012 at 1:59 pm

It may stick around, FWIW. I suspect that most conservatives already regard him as a turncoat apostate, since he gets paid by a "liebural" cable network. He probably figures he has zero hope of going back to the Hill so he may as well say what's on his mind, whatever it is.

Weedlord BonerHitler December 17, 2012 at 2:48 pm

Like gas. It'll annoy and infuriate everyone around him for a while, and then linger like a bad memory.

snowpointsecret December 17, 2012 at 1:05 pm

Amazing how a tragedy can wake at least a few people up. Too bad so many refuse to budge even a small bit. Not saying Scarborough will suddenly be good, but this might be a step in the right direction.

hagajim December 17, 2012 at 1:05 pm

Nice talk Joe…let's see if you really mean it or if this tragedy fades into oblivion like Columbine, like Springfield, like too many other fucking tragedies to count. Maybe if the Morning Joe's who have defended the gun nuts ad infinitum change tack things will really change – nah.

WhatTheHolyHeck December 17, 2012 at 1:06 pm

I see ol' Joe couldn't choke out that about-face without also pointing fingers at Hollywood, as if television violence was equally as culpable as the fucking guns that kid used to massacre a school.

CommieLibunatic December 17, 2012 at 2:24 pm

Fuckin' WORD. I was standing and screaming "Fuck you!!!" every time he blamed violent video games (no wonder everyone in the office is staring at me). Last I checked, I can distinguish between a stupid game like Left 4 Dead and taking my street sweeper to the local shopping mall.

swordfis December 17, 2012 at 8:43 pm

Yes, you can distinguish – but you're not hearing voices in your head.

Negropolis December 18, 2012 at 2:23 am

I doubt Lanza was, too. This idea that every disturbed shooter is mentally ill, or that being mentally ill automatically increases your chances of being violent as opposed to being the victim of violence, is a talking point I hope passes, too. People also need to make the distinction between being socially awkward and emotionally disabled and being full-blown evil-voices-in-your head mentally ill.

WhatTheHolyHeck December 18, 2012 at 9:55 am

Eliminating the games, movies and television because of a tiny vulnerable minority is not the answer. They can get as delusional and ragey as possible, but it's the guns his mother owned that made the massacre possible. If he'd used a knife like the latest China attack, all his victims might still be alive.

CommieLibunatic December 18, 2012 at 12:22 pm

- but you're not hearing voices in your head.

Would the mouth-breathing ass-hat who hasn't discovered the joys of Push-To-Talk count?

CommieDad December 17, 2012 at 2:54 pm

Let's be clear, violent video games are not the problem. However, many violent video games reflect a fascination with gun violence that is a problem with our culture. I, for one, would support (further) restrictions on the sale of violent video games to kids as well as a review of movie and TV ratings to put more emphasis on violence as opposed to sex when it comes to setting them. I would especially support these if, in exchange, I got a ban on all assault rifle sales and restrictions on ammo and magazine size.

CalamityJames December 17, 2012 at 5:06 pm

I'm with you on this one. All snark aside, I love video games, the more violent the better. But, like most, I know the difference between the irritation of having to start over from the last check point and, you know, killing people. Even so, if it saves even one child's life, I'll happily give them up and get a life or something. Maybe a job and a girlfriend. Ok, now I'm depressed again.

WhatTheHolyHeck December 17, 2012 at 5:10 pm

Or you don't have to give them up, and they are available to adults in the same way as alcohol is (and pot should be).

CalamityJames December 17, 2012 at 5:21 pm

Well, sure, but ultimately, I'm willing to do whatever it takes to keep as much of this bullshit from happening as I can. Nothing will completely eliminate this kind of nutbaggery, but I'm more than willing to do my part, and it's not entirely implausible to think that our fascination with violent media may have some part in these issues. Certainly no more than actual guns and a lack of mental health care, but there could be something there. I, for one, blame Monsanto and that pink goo that passes for meat, but what the fuck do I know?

CommieDad December 17, 2012 at 5:14 pm

I see no reason to limit freedom of speech, just access to children. If we treated gun violence in games and movies like we do pornography that would be OK by me. I honestly think that the violence in movies and games is a symptom, not a cause. The cause I think is a culture that loves guns. However, if it helps change Gun laws, I'll put up with changing a few rules about access to inappropriate materials.

HRH_Maddie December 17, 2012 at 1:06 pm

You know what? I'll take any slight admission or concession from pro-gun people that the time has come for a few sane regulations. And I am thankful that they are finally emboldened to use their soapbox to say so.

feminazipenishrinker December 17, 2012 at 1:28 pm

You would think that now, more than ever, the gun rights people would want to be part of the conversation.

And, you know what, I think the "gun rights people" are… the "gun nuts" are not.

Dr_Zoidberg December 17, 2012 at 1:07 pm

I'm just so scared that nothing will change. Nothing at all will change, and the sacrificing of people at the altar of gun worship will continue.

Not_So_Much December 17, 2012 at 1:45 pm

Ditto. Our pussy librul rights to not have holes shot through us is subservient to their 2nd amendment rights to hoard and fondle as much weaponry as they can possibly plop on their credit card.

Dr_Zoidberg December 17, 2012 at 1:52 pm

I have spent my entire life doing my best to see both sides of just about any argument, to understand where the other person is coming from to better understand different viewpoints than my own – but not any more, not on this subject.

BaldarTFlagass December 17, 2012 at 1:50 pm

"Nothing at all will change"

I hate to be a cynic, but if I were a betting man, that's where I'd put my chips.

Weedlord BonerHitler December 17, 2012 at 2:50 pm

No. That's not an option, this time. DiFi has already said that the AWB is #1 on the new Congress' agenda. This time we will do whatever it takes to make that change.

BaldarTFlagass December 17, 2012 at 1:07 pm

Your move, Wayne La Pierre.

Terry December 17, 2012 at 1:10 pm

We should expect stories to appear in which Joe Scarborough is revealed to be a massive liberal.

OneDollarJuana December 17, 2012 at 1:13 pm

Joe Scarborough (D).

PuckStopsHere December 17, 2012 at 1:13 pm

Somebody Tweeted over the weekend that Wayne La Pierre ought to be made to attend every one of these baby's funerals and I thought it to be a pretty good idea.

Biel_ze_Bubba December 17, 2012 at 1:20 pm

Mail him postcards with the kids' photos. Every fucking day of his life.

Geminisunmars December 17, 2012 at 1:23 pm

He'll just use them as coasters.

Weedlord BonerHitler December 17, 2012 at 4:58 pm

Good idea.

Negropolis December 18, 2012 at 2:25 am

THIS. I was thinking about this the other day, in fact. Just a flood of pictures to their corporate mailbox.

Not_So_Much December 17, 2012 at 1:46 pm

He should have to face every single family member of every victim and explain why his money-making is more important than their kid, or their mom, or their daughter. Fuck him sideways with a million burning cacti.

actor212 December 17, 2012 at 1:55 pm

His special place in hell is to spend eternity with every single bullet riddled corpse he's responsible for, apologizing to them.

EatsBabyDingos December 17, 2012 at 1:49 pm

It is easier to fart water than to pee air

Weedlord BonerHitler December 17, 2012 at 2:53 pm

Wayne LaPierre has been surprisingly quiet, although Louie Gohmert reliably went up on PoxOoze with his eyes squinched up like some preacher invoking The Lard, weeping about how if the principal of SandyHook had an assault weapon, those precious little childers would be safe. Can't y'all just, you know, get rid of that mufuckah? Because he is bothering me something terrible, of late.

Lascauxcaveman December 17, 2012 at 1:08 pm

Well, that's it. That's curtains for teh Gun Nuts.

You know what they say, once you've lost Joe Scarborough, you've lost, uh … well, Joe Scarborough.

knuck1es December 17, 2012 at 1:08 pm

well, ok. Hope it sticks.

Weedlord BonerHitler December 17, 2012 at 2:54 pm

Up to US to make it so. Every day, do one thing for sensible gun laws, please. YOU can make it happen.

Lionel[redacted]Esq December 17, 2012 at 1:08 pm

Never let Scarborough speak for himself. It will end badly.

Beowoof December 17, 2012 at 1:08 pm

Well he most likely continue to be a dick about everything else so there is that to keep his conservative trailer park cred intact.

DerrickWildcat December 17, 2012 at 1:09 pm

Yeah he's a dick, but he's not an insane dick.

Meathamper December 17, 2012 at 1:38 pm

I don't know, he is on MSNBC so clearly part of his brain isn't working properly.

Weedlord BonerHitler December 17, 2012 at 2:55 pm

I'm sorry I didn't get to hug you when you were hurting so bad the other day. Here's some extra hugs.

The insane dicks are being sorted out now. Soon they'll be marginalized past all recovery.

orygoon December 17, 2012 at 1:09 pm

It isn't like this weekend we have all been parents, uncles, aunts, brothers, and sisters.

Oh, wait–maybe it has.

SayItWithWookies December 17, 2012 at 1:09 pm

Let's see — I can either watch ten minutes of Joe Scarborough to see if he promises not to be a dick, or I can just wait until tomorrow for the retraction. What to do…

sharethegrief December 17, 2012 at 1:16 pm

Bob Costas calling on line 2.

SexySmurf December 17, 2012 at 1:10 pm

Joe Scarborough is now so anti-gun that from now on he's only going to kill his interns by pushing them out of windows.

Lascauxcaveman December 17, 2012 at 1:34 pm

Heh, your timing vexes me.

freddymcmurray December 18, 2012 at 2:03 am

liddl goil.

Negropolis December 18, 2012 at 2:27 am

He didn't kill the first one with a gun, either….

I know, Scarborough Country libel!

Lascauxcaveman December 17, 2012 at 1:10 pm

"Guns don't kill interns; people kill interns."

Aridzona December 17, 2012 at 1:11 pm

The right words slipped his lips this time, but he's still a pompous, self-important ass.

snowpointsecret December 17, 2012 at 1:12 pm

Okay, he took a step in the right direction wanting to deal with gun control, but focused a bit too much on Hollywood and not enough on the NRA for my liking.

SorosBot December 17, 2012 at 1:17 pm

I can't believed they're still doing that. This weekend, I caught a bit of some radio show where the host was going off on the old blaming the video games bullshit too, and then actually said, "and there's also this new game which is really super violent, called Grand Theft Auto." Yeah, and it's also probably the fault of all that new music by Marilyn Manson the kids are listening to, too.

snowpointsecret December 17, 2012 at 1:18 pm

Also, lol at people acting like Grand Theft Auto is a new thing. This is like the fifth game in a long-running series, but I guess it's easier to scare people if they act like it's a new phenomenon.

SorosBot December 17, 2012 at 1:34 pm

Yeah, that was part of my point; it's utterly ridiculous. Hey, maybe it's all the fault of that violent show on the TV, you know, NYPD Blue!

But this bizarre blaming of new-ish media has been going on at least since Seduction of the Innocent claimed comic books caused juvenile delinquency, and just like with comics there's this strange assumption by the out-of-touch old people that video games are primarily made for kids when, you know, they really are not. Of course there were also some ancient Boomer callers saying it was the fault of the facebooks and other social media, too.

BaldarTFlagass December 17, 2012 at 1:19 pm

Can you even play songs backwards on CDs or iTunes?

Lascauxcaveman December 17, 2012 at 1:42 pm

Eh, since those people who are doing these kinds of massacres are all screwy in the head, who knows what finally pushes them over the edge? A movie? A video game? Reading All Quiet on the Western Front? Sure, maybe. It could possibly be.

But this is why we all need to to be armed to the teeth when they finally open fire!

Weedlord BonerHitler December 17, 2012 at 3:01 pm

This is what gets me: when somebody comes looking to do violence with a gun, they've *already* got the jump on you. Would a teacher have to walk around with a gun in her hand all the time? Because otherwise, the gunman would get her before she could draw and aim her weapon. And, in fact, the first person the gunman would take out *would* be the teacher.

Idiots are posting vid clips on the InterToobz of little girls shooting pink Glocks. Telling the rest of us we should arm our children too, if we don't want them to die.

prommie December 17, 2012 at 1:12 pm

Rupert is for gun control. What will be interesting is to see whether this will make Ailes' head explode.

SayItWithWookies December 17, 2012 at 2:22 pm

I have immense confidence in Rupert's ability to find that still, small voice deep within him that cries out for what's right, so that he can smother it with a pillow.

jello_mold December 17, 2012 at 1:13 pm

C'mon people. Time to wail on NRA and the WH with "well regulated militia" part of the amendment since they always so conveniently IGNORE IT.

CommieDad December 17, 2012 at 2:59 pm

The supreme court says ignore it, so ignoring it is the law of the land. Sad. I personally think that this is part of the answer. If all gun nuts had to join a militia, which would register, license, and educate them, then gun violence would be reduced.

jello_mold December 17, 2012 at 7:27 pm

It seems time to bring it back to SCOTUS.

sewollef December 17, 2012 at 1:13 pm

Off on a tangent, but the auto cue seemed to be really low in that clip. Or was it me? I got the sense he wasn't looking 'at' the camera.

Maybe I was distracted by those dorky glasses he was wearing, or he was. Either way, it didn't feel genuine to me.

BaldarTFlagass December 17, 2012 at 1:15 pm

When I was in the service, we called that style "Clark Kents." Or "BCs" if you wore them out on the town ("Birth Control").

orygoon December 17, 2012 at 1:18 pm

The Spare is in the Navy now (AND I AM SO PROUD OF HIM) and they have a new style of glasses, but they still look just awful.

Oblios_Cap December 17, 2012 at 1:13 pm

He would know a thing or two about burying a person. Or so it's said…

DahBoner December 17, 2012 at 1:33 pm

Ah, young beautiful women in their 20's accidentally hit their heads in offices of Republicans and DIE ALL THE TIME, no biggie…

weejee December 17, 2012 at 1:14 pm

NRA Exec VP Sauron Wayne LaPierre needs to change his tightie whities.

Guppy December 17, 2012 at 5:03 pm

But he's packing! He's got nothing to fear!

SorosBot December 17, 2012 at 1:15 pm

No, see what we need to do is make sure all the nation's second graders are armed!

Weedlord BonerHitler December 17, 2012 at 3:07 pm

SB, you are SO behind. They're calling for KINDERGARTENERS to be armed and posting YouTube clips of little girls firing pink Glocks, fer Crisake!

kyeshinka December 17, 2012 at 3:22 pm

But they still get expelled for taking Children's Tylenol. Zero tolerance and such.

orygoon December 17, 2012 at 1:15 pm

This dude who is pretty moderate-but-dickish at a politics discussion website I have argued on for years said that in his state, the last to do concealed carry (by order, now) makes him unhappy–he doesn't want to think people at restaurants and suchlike, where he's hanging out, have guns. And I thought, shit, you didn't have this for all these years already, where you're jumpy, yeah, but getting used to being jumpy? Also, he's the computer guy for a school system, and he actually wants something done. Like amending the Constitution. So like some people, he's not really as dickish (when I first typed that, it came out "dickist", which I kind of wanted to stick with) as I thought.

Still, nothing whatever will bring those gorgeous children back to their parents, aunts and uncles, brothers and sisters.

Lascauxcaveman December 17, 2012 at 1:55 pm

Amending the Constitution at this point is almost certainly insurmountable. However, if the various state governments wanted to get serious out this, all they really need to do is to legislate against the mass-death machinery, then back it up in the Supreme Court by appealing to the originalists that the absolute right to bear arms applies *only* to the arms our founding fathers knew of; cap-and-ball pistols and muzzle-loader rifles.

Everything else can be legislated out, regulated, or licensed by the states.

It would be worth a try. It might even work.

bobloblawlawblg December 17, 2012 at 1:17 pm

Doesn't he know it's a sign of weakness to admit you were ever wrong about anything? Doesn't he know that not admitting said sign of weakness/learning/growing is more important than 20 dead children to the wingnut class?

stopthemovie December 17, 2012 at 1:23 pm

Keep scrubbing Joe you still have blood on your hands!

NorthStarSpanx December 17, 2012 at 1:23 pm

Most owners of multiple guns may be hoarders, anti-government conspirators, end-of-day'ers, preppers or whatever, thing of it is, they CAN'T WAIT to meet Jesus in their lifetime (which means EVERYONE who believes he is their savior, why is this generation anymore special?) and say fucked up shit like, well, Heaven gained another Angel or they beat me to the afterlife and I shall meet them there.

What's the point of living/existing if you just want your God/Savior to take your short life here on earth?

And let's get down to nitty-gritty here of arsenal households – you aren't doing it to protect yourself – you are doing it to lord it over us, become demigods and say I-told-you-so. Give us all the big middle finger under mass social chaos in Bristol Palin-speak.

I'd rather have big government than Libertarians or little-theocrats terrorize the unarmed populace.

Wile E. Quixote December 17, 2012 at 1:49 pm

What's the point of living/existing if you just want your God/Savior to take your short life here on earth?

Judging from the people I know who spout this shit it's to make everyone else as miserable as possible so that when they finally do shuffle off this mortal coil everyone says "thank the fuck Christ that that asshole is gone!"

ttommyunger December 17, 2012 at 1:24 pm

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day; it's still a worthless timepiece. Joe is still a worthless piece of intern-murdering, right-wing shit.

jello_mold December 17, 2012 at 7:29 pm

OK, what's the deal on the meme. Cause I'm lazy that way. I get all my news here.

ttommyunger December 17, 2012 at 7:32 pm

Google him and intern death. I'm just as lazy as you are, prolly more.Sent from the Field, not in Garrison.

James Michael Curley December 17, 2012 at 1:25 pm

OK Joe, what about office furniture?

RadioBitchFace December 17, 2012 at 1:27 pm

Mika's guns or GTFO.

gurukalehuru December 17, 2012 at 1:27 pm

That sounded like a sincere change of position and I'm ready to give Joe Scarborough the benefit of the doubt.
Mike Huckabee, on the other hand, is a bigger fucktoad than ever.

BaldarTFlagass December 17, 2012 at 1:28 pm

He'll still be a dick. Just you wait and see.

Dumbedup December 17, 2012 at 1:28 pm

Close your eyes and try to imagine what the last 90 seconds of life was like for those 20 kids, 6 year olds, what did they think, what did they do? Everyone should try this. If it doesn't make you cry, try a little harder. That reality should change our world.

Limeylizzie December 17, 2012 at 2:29 pm

No kidding, I keep wondering what it was like for the last child in the room to be killed.

Weedlord BonerHitler December 17, 2012 at 5:55 pm

That reminds me of the photo of that terrified crying Iraqi child surrounded by her murdered family. WTF is wrong with this species, we keep murdering our children.

ProgressiveInga December 17, 2012 at 3:02 pm

Several times a day I think of the last moments of those precious babies. Wet eyes, heavy heart.

Oh yeah, and f*ck the NRA.

Sue4466 December 17, 2012 at 1:29 pm

Seems like Joe was able to relate to the murdered children and devastated families to have a human and rational response. So, good for him.

I hate to think, however, how many similar killings will have to happen for enough politicians to say "that could have been me or my child or someone I cared about so maybe I should start caring more about my constituents and less about my NRA scorecard."

Dumbedup December 17, 2012 at 2:56 pm

the reality of that moment is so horrible as to defy imagination. 6 year olds can't fight back, they probably froze, or hid behind their hands and waited for their parents or someone to come and save them as he deliberately shot each of them 3 times. Little kids excited about christmas and santa claus. We can't possibly cry enough for those children.

Sue4466 December 17, 2012 at 3:01 pm

I don't even have children. But yes.

Weedlord BonerHitler December 17, 2012 at 5:56 pm

Some of those poor kids had up to 11 bullets tear through them.

SoBeach December 17, 2012 at 1:29 pm

Hey Joe, you know those four terms in Congress where you had an A+ rating with the NRA? Those were the years when the NRA went from being a gun rights organization to a psychotically partisan, paranoid bunch of lunatics whipping each other into a frenzy about the UN and secret gun confiscation plans. Those were the years when the NRA would savagely fight for anyone and everyone to own a high powered military assault rifle and as many high capacity magazines as they could carry into a shopping mall. Those were the years when the NRA defined the gun crazy environment we inhabit today.

Know what else? There were mass shootings by nuts with assault rifles back then too. But back then you weren't going to jeopardize your A+ rating with the NRA by saying something, were you? No way.

So while it's nice to hear the occasional right winger say the occasional rational thing, I'm pretty sure those politicians currently in office and blessed by the NRA are going to have the same reaction to last weeks shootings that you had to the mass murders that took place while YOU were in office.

frostbitefalls December 17, 2012 at 1:34 pm

Good for him, I guess. I couldn't help hearing a subtext though. Something about, "Now that it's happened to a bunch of little white kids it's an outrage." Sorry but I think *one* life taken is too much.

Weedlord BonerHitler December 17, 2012 at 5:58 pm

I thought about that a lot,but no, I don't think that's it. Yeah, black and brown kids get shot in drive-bys and gun crimes every day, and despicable and revolting as that is, no one's actually deliberately gunning for those children. This guy walked into a place made for little kids, inhabited mostly by little kids, and deliberately, in cold blood, murdered 20 of them. I can't think of another incident like that outside of wartime.

Goonemeritus December 17, 2012 at 1:34 pm

That gave me some level of hope, just two days ago many here including myself were bemoaning the fact that the Genie was out of the bottle and the NRA was just too powerful. I will refrain from judging the motivation of anyone willing to at least try to hammer out a compromise. I will also not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. We have lost every gun control fight for a long time, let’s hope those times are behind us.

cousinitt December 17, 2012 at 1:35 pm

Did not know you could be un-dicked.

TootsStansbury December 17, 2012 at 1:35 pm

Fill in the blank (R – Remington)

BoroPrimorac December 17, 2012 at 1:38 pm

Treyvon Martin was a baby too, you fucking piece of shit.

Weedlord BonerHitler December 17, 2012 at 6:00 pm

Yes, he was.

Biel_ze_Bubba December 17, 2012 at 6:04 pm

Outrage is proportional to 1/melanin.

freddymcmurray December 18, 2012 at 3:14 am

1 outta 100 ain't bad.

sewollef December 17, 2012 at 1:41 pm

I was reading at the weekend.

First: I read a story about all these 2nd amendment cretins who use that as justification for arming themselves with AR 15s and how it's to 'protect the citizenry from an overreaching federal government'.

Yet, despite the traumatic 230 year history of this country, from botched reconstruction, to assassinations, Japanese internment camps, civil rights and McCarthy. There has never been a mass 'uprising' of armed citizenry against their government. Civil war doesn't count since that wasn't citizen action, but whole states committing treason and seizing federal property.

Second: These nutcases who proclaim they will 'protect their families' from federal authorities haven't really thought through the firepower the 'federal authorities' would bring to such a dispute.

So, it occurred to me that the federal authorities have already overreached — to use their term — and not one of these boobieheads noticed.

My question: do I need a tin foil hat now, or should I wait for 2016?

BoroPrimorac December 17, 2012 at 2:10 pm

Drone strike > Drunk redneck carrying an AR-15.

Weedlord BonerHitler December 17, 2012 at 2:44 pm

Well, the 2016 styles *will* be smarter …

LibertyLover December 17, 2012 at 1:42 pm

Good for Joe. Sadly, though, there are way too many people willing to cling to their guns as some sort of protection who remain unconvinced. What will it take to convince them? How many more innocent people must die?

I read a comment from some asshat on another blog that said we should put our children in jail to be safe. Really? That's the answer? To imprison everyone in the country just so someone can keep their guns? No thank you. That isn't the way I wish to live, so if we as a country decide that we should curtail someone's so called "right" to own an assault weapon then I am ok with that.

widestanceromance December 17, 2012 at 1:44 pm

It may be "correct" to be outraged about the latest massacre for a couple of weeks, but when the rubber hits the road, they will not have changed one bit.

Gun rights vs. dead children, and they still side with guns, every time.

Wile E. Quixote December 17, 2012 at 1:47 pm

Yet, despite the traumatic 240+ year history of this country, from botched reconstruction, to assassinations, Japanese internment camps, civil rights and McCarthy. There has never been a mass 'uprising' of armed citizenry. Civil war doesn't count since that wasn't citizen action, but whole states committing treason and seizing federal property.

And speaking of the Civil War how well did the plans of the southerners to rise up and defy the federal government work out? Not too well.

Second:
These nutcases who proclaim they will 'protect their families' from federal authorities haven't really thought through the firepower the 'federal authorities' would bring to such a dispute.

There's also the fact that the people who the feds send in are also trained and disciplined and more than a match, even if guns weren't involved, for a bunch of psycho nutjobs like Ted Nugent.

pdiddycornchips December 17, 2012 at 1:58 pm

There's a reason this stuff exists and it's not because people are really planning for an armed conflict with the Federal Government. It sells guns. The gun industry likes selling guns. It's very profitable. But once you own a gun for protection, why would you need another? Because the Feds are going to attack you any day now so you better have a fucking arsenal at the ready. Restrictions on guns cause the industry to freak out. Not because they are worried about our constitutional rights (they aren't) but because they've created this myth that if don't have a gun, you need one and if you already have one, you need several more. Once that logic is closely examined, they're fucked.

Biff December 17, 2012 at 1:47 pm

It's been 3 whole days, Joe–can't you just let it go?

Weedlord BonerHitler December 17, 2012 at 2:31 pm

Someone ranted at me on Twitter in EPIC fashion yesterday with all caps about how people like me didn't mind killing babies (unborn, of course) and we were the real murderers and it's not about guns and what-all. I guess it's working. The NRA is losing support ERwhere.

Biff December 17, 2012 at 3:55 pm

I renounced my membership a couple of mass-murders ago, but it's not that easy to get them to actually drop you from their membership roll.

Weedlord BonerHitler December 17, 2012 at 6:00 pm

Let's *publicize* that fact, shall we?

Guppy December 17, 2012 at 5:07 pm

TOO SOON!

Limeylizzie December 17, 2012 at 1:47 pm

Joe Manchin (D-Ha!-W.V.) was also on the show and was in favour of banning assault rifles and those horrendous mega-clip things, I have never touched a gun so I'm not an expert here, so dicks were de-dickifying like the bejeesus on that show this morning.

Guppy December 17, 2012 at 5:08 pm

He wouldn't be doing that if he hadn't just won reelection to a six-year term.

If nothing else, knifing reams of paper isn't as dramatic in TV advertising.

JustPixelz December 17, 2012 at 1:50 pm

If the technology of video games, the internet and movie production are contributors, then so too is the technology that lets a gun reload itself (semi-automatic) and fire as fast as you can pull the trigger.

mrblifil December 17, 2012 at 2:55 pm

Says the person (Joe, not JustPixelz) who works for NBC Universal, has his own fucking cable show, and gets his speeches memed on the internet. And if "memed" is not an actual verb, I'm calling dibs.

If cultural pollution is the problem Joe, maybe consider canceling yourself.

gullywompr December 17, 2012 at 7:23 pm

Video games my ass! This kid had no need for virtual shooting, his mom took him to the range for fuck's sake. Mom was a bagger, and I intend to never let them forget it.

JustPixelz December 17, 2012 at 8:14 pm

I just stopped playing MW3 and saw your comment!

Right-wingers like to blame the First Amendment for mass killings. Violent movies, not enough government run religion in schools, video games, the internet. They lament the deterioration of our culture and how it has — in their view — opened the door to gun violence.

The point I was aiming for is blaming changes in culture lets me argue that changes in gun culture (and technology) are to blame. I think I failed, partly because it's a false analogy. My playing FPS games may be killing my thumbs but when I stand my ground, no one else gets hurt.

SheriffJoeBiden December 17, 2012 at 1:50 pm

"Oh, hey look everyone, now that something awful happened that reminds me, personally, of my own circumstances in life, NOW I care about this problem that it's suddenly very popular to care about!" Bravo, Mr. Scarborough. Slow fucking clap for you.

Mumbletypeg December 17, 2012 at 2:19 pm

This.

BoroPrimorac December 17, 2012 at 2:26 pm

Joe doesn't give a fuck about Hartford, which is actually closer to his home than Newtown and has one of the highest murder rates in America.

T3rbo December 17, 2012 at 1:52 pm

Joe Scarborough is actually right: no simplified one dimensional solution will prevent tragedies like this. Hum.

Biel_ze_Bubba December 17, 2012 at 6:06 pm

Getting rid of guns would do the job nicely.

T3rbo December 17, 2012 at 6:18 pm

sure, good luck with that. Why don't you add "get rid of the 2nd amendment" and see how well that works out while you're at it

Biel_ze_Bubba December 18, 2012 at 6:57 am

Given the mood of the public, even that might work out surprisingly well. Every other country on the planet gets along pretty well without a "right" to carry weapons.

Negropolis December 18, 2012 at 2:40 am

Which is why we shouldn't even try.

Honestly, why do people focus on this? Why is it important to handcuff change before we even start it? Who the fuck cares if there is no "simplified, one-dimensional solution"? We can deal with that, later. Now is the time we should really be pushing for someone to do something. I'll worry about what we couldn't end up doing it when we have time to stop and breath.

Sorry, but this is really beginning to be grating.

Biel_ze_Bubba December 20, 2012 at 6:52 am

Why is it important to handcuff change before we even start it?

Within the NRA, it's called "strategy": Make the public believe that the Second Amendment is so sacred that repeal is not even a rational topic of conversation.

JustPixelz December 17, 2012 at 1:55 pm

I appreciate the 9/11 reference because almost as many Americans are killed each month by guns as in the 9/11 attacks. We did a lot in response to that day.

ElPinche December 17, 2012 at 2:03 pm

No comment.

Chow Yun Flat December 17, 2012 at 2:09 pm

Fuck Joe Scarborough and the rest of the gun lobby apparatchiks who are trying to wash the blood from their hands.

mrblifil December 17, 2012 at 2:52 pm

Thanks for the concise version of what became a very flabby treatise under my composition.

Botlrokit December 17, 2012 at 2:12 pm

Shut up, Mika.

mavenmaven December 17, 2012 at 2:17 pm

Well, it is better than Huckabee's response.

neiltheblaze December 17, 2012 at 2:17 pm

Oh Joe, don't worry. You'll always be a dick to many of us – about everything.

jello_mold December 17, 2012 at 2:17 pm

snark off: I was impressed.

I only know about this show because Stephen Colbert and rarely watch cause JS comes across as soooooooooooooooooooooooooo smug. I've sincerely watched and tried to wrap my mind around libertarian philosophy and keep trying only to figure out why logic eludes them. I'm overjoyed that logic has prevailed.

red_kira December 17, 2012 at 2:20 pm

And am I the only one whohas the sneaky feeling that the conservatives are trying to get out in front of this by acting all po-faced and saying "nothing is off the table" so they won't get CLOBBERED so hard for their past gun-nutty dickishness? And that all the while they are secretly hoping that this, too, goes away and gets forgotten about, so they actually do NOT have to give up their assault rifles? Or anything else, for that matter?

On "Morning Joe" today, CT Senator Joe Manchin kept saying "nothing is off the table" but could NOT stop babbling about how he's "a Proud Amurricuhn Gun Owner" and other dribbly whatnot in that vein.

I'm sorry, "nothing is off the table" isn't the same as "let's get together and fix this now – we'll give up our guns." In short, I am not convinced.

Maybe I am too suspicious?

fuflans December 17, 2012 at 2:36 pm

we were talking about this very thing last night over far too many glasses of pretty decent prosecco.

we all entirely agree with your suspicions.

and by the way, it seems like since the election, all sorts of republican shibboleths are getting clobbered. though in this case, at an obscene price.

red_kira December 17, 2012 at 3:23 pm

Good – I'm glad it's not just me.

And I could use a glass of prosecco right about now.

Weedlord BonerHitler December 17, 2012 at 4:31 pm

Trust me, you're not.

Chow Yun Flat December 17, 2012 at 6:42 pm

You are just suspicious enough,

freakishlywrong December 17, 2012 at 2:21 pm

Is it ok if I don't give a fucking rat's ass about what fucking Doucheborough has to say?

mbobier December 17, 2012 at 2:21 pm

Hmmmm. Kudos to Joe for his show of humanity. I wonder how long it will be before the heartless pro-gun wingnuts start savaging him? And when they do, will he back down?

smellypossum December 17, 2012 at 2:24 pm

Joe gets a sliver of empathy because this particular hideous instance of mass kiling hit him close to home.

What about all the prior opportunities to figure this shit out and take a stand?

It's about time. And fuck you.

Weedlord BonerHitler December 17, 2012 at 2:28 pm

I don't believe you. It's unpossible.

Tommmcatt_Again December 17, 2012 at 2:28 pm

He may not be a dick, but he'll always be an asshole.

MonkeyMotion December 17, 2012 at 2:33 pm

Snark off.

Sorry, Scarborogh deserves ZERO credit. Any amount he's changed is ONLY because — as he admits — it now affects him. NOT because it's the right thing to do, but because he now realizes his previous position may come back and bite him (or HIS children) in the ass. Too bad for all the previous slaughter, that was someone else's problem.

Just like Dick Cheney supporting gay marriage — ONLY because his daughter is gay. NOT because it's the right thing to do.

So fk him — he's a loathsome scum.

fuflans December 17, 2012 at 2:37 pm

it's too easy to simply blame it on the NRA

no, it's not really.

Weedlord BonerHitler December 17, 2012 at 2:45 pm

And now Barack's words about people "clinging to guns and religion" appear all too prophetic.

mrblifil December 17, 2012 at 2:48 pm

I've been saying this in different venues, but seriously: Fuck this guy. He defended a lone gunman murderer of an abortion provider early in his career, sometimes pro bono. He worships Reagan but has done fuck-all for James Brady. He though blow jobs were more important than Columbine or Oklahoma City. He sucked NRA dick like they were crack pipes for his 8 years in the House. He cheered Bush through 6 years of unilateral invasion and occupation. Having cheered the first Bush in the original Desert Storm fiasco. He didn't say fuck-all about guns after any of the recent mass killings, including the Giffords massacre in which a 12-year old was shot and killed. He hasn't DARED raise the topic of gun control on his MSNBC show during his entire tenure, as far as I am aware. And now, NOW, because he has a kid he same age as the victims, he's seen the light? If this were an actual political conversion, there'd be an apology in there, not just an announcement that his former views are irrelevant. No Joe. They're not irrelevant. They're highly relevant. Because they make me wonder what kind of an advocate you're really going to be, if it took you this long to admit that sanity has a value. If he's willing to invite his GOP friends on to defend their anti-regulation views with an aim toward getting them to admit error, I'll cut him some slack. As is I get the sense that he's got a young (second) wife crying at home and realizes that unless he gets on the right side of this issue live and on camera he's sleeping on the couch. It's a nice start Joe, but you've got a long fucking row to hoe. Get your ass to work fuckwad and I'll think about sending you a perfumed thank you card.

valthemus December 17, 2012 at 3:10 pm

F U, NRA

rickmaci December 17, 2012 at 4:00 pm

Pure. Nimbyism. Happens in other peoples' town, school, church, clinic, mall- Second Amendment covers all. Happens in a school in his back yard and now suddenly he's all hair on fire raging about gun regulation. I will agree he is sincere if he keeps it up but I have a feeling this lasts until sometime after the new year, about when the flags all go back to full staff.

ibwilliamsi December 17, 2012 at 4:56 pm

No free pass from me to Joe on this one. Little kids is a no-brainer. It's not as though little kids don't get killed every day. Right thinking people have always known in their souls that we don't need these kind of weapons in circulation. We didn't need to wait until we weren't being bribed by the NRA. We didn't need to wait until it happened to white children whose mothers get $300k a year in alimony. This is not even a blip on the radar so far as I'm concerned.

Guppy December 17, 2012 at 5:12 pm

"For the rest of 2012."

anteater December 17, 2012 at 5:37 pm

For a douche that was an OK speech. It sounded like he's thinking of running for something though. If that's the case then fuck him right in the ear Eric.

Thedongsofwar December 17, 2012 at 6:49 pm

See, the difference between violent media and guns is that you can't kill somebody with a video game.

cybermoe December 17, 2012 at 10:54 pm

Is it me or did he just read the whole thing?

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