QUIET ROOMS  12:01 pm December 13, 2012

McDonald’s Employee Excited to Be Earning Minimum Wage After 20 Years On the Job

by Kris E. Benson

tears of a clownTime is money, you guys, and money is time (as well as speech) which is why this nice McDonald’s worker would have to work for ONE MILLION HOURS to make as much as the McDonald’s CEO did in 2011 alone. The CEO’s time is just that much more valuable, so the Market has put a fair price on his time, because the Market is infallible.

Also, if this nice McDonald’s employee wants to make more than minimum wage (which he still earns after 20 years with the company) he should have found a way to make his labor more profitable, and also too, to not look or smell like he works at McDonald’s, because the stink of the proletariat is too disgusting for management to bear.

Tyree Johnson scrubs himself with a bar of soap in a bathroom and puts on fresh deodorant. He stashes his toiletries in a Kenneth Cole bag, a gift from his mother who works the counter at Macy’s, and hops on an El train. His destination: another McDonald’s.

[...]

He needs the makeshift baths because hygiene and appearance are part of his annual compensation reviews. Even with frequent scrubbings, he said before a recent shift, it’s hard to remove the essence of the greasy food he works around.

“I hate when my boss tells me she won’t give me a raise because she can smell me,” he said.

Fair warning: if you work at McDonald’s, it is inappropriate to show up to work reeking like a proletariat. All evidence of your labor must be scrubbed from your person and THEN you can ask about a raise, so let that be a lesson to you.

Johnson, 44, needs the two paychecks [from two different McDonald's] to pay rent for his apartment at a single-room occupancy hotel on the city’s north side. While he’s worked at McDonald’s stores for two decades, he still doesn’t get 40 hours a week and makes $8.25 an hour, minimum wage in Illinois.

Are you taking notes? Because apparently, this is part of the New American Reality of crappy, non-union jobs in retail or food service. Your Wonkette has worked both retail and food service. Your Wonkette came away from these experiences humbled, and with less respect for certain fellow Americans who think that a food server is a personal servant and a cashier at a clothing store is automatically an idiot. (The bright side: we were asked lots of stupid questions to make fun of, like when we worked at Bloomie’s and a man asked us if an animal died to make this particular $800 reversible fawnskin jacket. Yes, the animal died, we told him. You are holding up the skin of a baby deer, turned inside out. The baby deer probably isn’t getting too far without its skin. He bought the jacket anyways, caring just enough about dead animals to ASK about them but not enough to have their deaths influence his purchasing decisions.)

But we digress. Back to Tyree Johnson, who works TWO jobs at TWO different McDonalds and has done so for 20 years and still earns minimum wage.

Fast-food restaurants have added positions more than twice as fast as the U.S. average during the recovery that began in June 2009. The jobs created by companies including Burger King Worldwide Inc. and Yum (YUM)! Brands Inc., which owns the Pizza Hut, Taco Bell and KFC brands, are among the lowest-paid in the U.S. — except in the C suite.

The C-suite is where all the Job Creators work, in case you are not familiar. And they just GIVE YOU MONEY, it turns out, if you work in the C suite. For the purposes of critical analysis, we have “borrowed” this chart from Bloomberg to illustrate the wage disparity in the retail sector, and the persistence of these wage disparities in spite of enormous profit:

Ghost of Christmas Futures

Oh KRIS, you are such a liberal Marxist so-and-so, fast food has always been home to shitty jobs, everyone knows that, tell us something we don’t know. And this is true — fast food has always had a reputation of being filled with low-paying jobs best given to teenagers, or if that’s not possible, to Demographic Americans (brown people). But the pay is getting worse and worse, and it is no longer just teenagers that are getting these low-paying jobs, as should be obvious since fast food restaurants remain open during school hours.

The pay gap separating fast-food workers from their chief executive officers is growing at each of those companies. The disparity has doubled at McDonald’s Corp. in the last 10 years, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. At the same time, the company helped pay for lobbying against minimum-wage increases and sought to quash the kind of unionization efforts that erupted recently on the streets of Chicago and New York.

The wage disparity, by the way, is probably best illustrated by this fun fact:

Johnson would need about a million hours of work — or more than a century on the clock — to earn the $8.75 million that McDonald’s, based in the Chicago suburb of Oak Brook, paid then-CEO Jim Skinner last year. [...] While Johnson has benefited from small pay raises and some minimum-wage increases — the rate was boosted from $8 in 2010 in Illinois — he said he’s often knocked down to the lowest level when a McDonald’s franchise changes ownership. He’s been bounced to different stores in Chicago (he’s worked at six in all), which also results in pay getting cut to minimum wage, he said.

“Every time they transfer you to a different store, they lower your pay,” he said. “You have to climb back up.” [...] The wage gap between CEOs and store workers wasn’t always so wide. Twenty years ago, when Johnson first started at McDonald’s, the CEO’s compensation was about 230 times that of a full-time worker paid the federal minimum wage. The $8.75 million that Thompson’s predecessor as CEO, Skinner, made last year was 580 times, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

OK but to be fair, CEOs are JOB CREATORS, and we must not make the Job Creators angry.  Because when they get angry, they take their toys and go home. In fact, if at all possible, we should give them the opportunity to pay little or nothing in taxes, or if THAT’s not possible, then pay a tithe to work for them. Also, no offense to Tyree, but he should have thought of all this before he decided to become a Poor.

[Bloomberg]

 
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nounverb911 December 13, 2012 at 12:05 pm

Hopefully the CEO gets paid in French Fries.

kyeshinka December 13, 2012 at 1:28 pm

Ahem, that's FREEDOM FRIES to you.

Jukesgrrl December 13, 2012 at 3:26 pm

GOLDEN freedom fries.

ManchuCandidate December 13, 2012 at 12:06 pm

Would you like tax cuts with your fries, CEO guy?

Ryy December 13, 2012 at 12:07 pm

If your dumb enough to be poor in this economy, you deserve it.

BaldarTFlagass December 13, 2012 at 12:08 pm

You have to have at least a bachelor's degree to be able to work at two McDonalds at the same time. Master's to be an assistant manager. Job market is tough these days.

Ryy December 13, 2012 at 12:09 pm

Wasn't there a bit on 60 minutes a year or so ago about how a McDonalds franchise is a license to print money, raving about the company and how it made rich folk richer? It's amazing! How does McDonalds DO that?!?!?

Lascauxcaveman December 13, 2012 at 12:52 pm

Yeah, the wage rate is determined by the the owner of the franchise, most of which are not under McD Corp control. "Small Businessmen," so to speak.

And as long as there are suckers able bodied workers willing to accept what they are offering; yeah, they'll make out OK.

AlterNewt December 13, 2012 at 12:10 pm

Look, they either have to keep compensation down or lower the quality of the food.

nounverb911 December 13, 2012 at 12:13 pm

McDonald's food has quality?

BaldarTFlagass December 13, 2012 at 12:19 pm

In these times, there is a sliding scale of quality, from fantastic to abysmal.

jtinks December 13, 2012 at 12:19 pm

Quality #1: it is partially digestible.

End of list.

sullivanst December 13, 2012 at 12:28 pm

Greasy is a quality, isn't it?

sullivanst December 13, 2012 at 12:30 pm

Tina, is that you?

Tundra Grifter December 13, 2012 at 12:35 pm

Tell that to In 'N' Out Burger. Well paid employees, excellent food, and low prices.

All stores are company owned, of course…

McDonalds is a real estate company that sells burgers on the side.

CivicHoliday December 13, 2012 at 12:42 pm

Instead of congealed chicken product, the nuggets will now be pure Grade-A sewer rat

BaldarTFlagass December 13, 2012 at 12:12 pm

McDonald's employees should unionize. Well, except in Michigan.

Toomush_Infer December 13, 2012 at 12:13 pm

Madames et Monseiurs, this way, please, to the Guillotine…!

sullivanst December 13, 2012 at 12:25 pm

*ahem* Mesdames et Messieurs.

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eggsacklywright December 13, 2012 at 12:41 pm

I like pedants, as long as they don't do that pedanterasty thing.

Toomush_Infer December 13, 2012 at 2:18 pm

Ah, you have seen through my mustaches….shhhh…

Monsieur_Grumpe December 13, 2012 at 1:22 pm

Wha????

Pragmatist2 December 13, 2012 at 12:14 pm

This article is good for my health – because I will never eat at a McDonald's again.

BaldarTFlagass December 13, 2012 at 12:18 pm

They just opened a McDonald's out in my rural bedroom community. I threw away the coupons they sent me in the mail for free shit. I still get a burger at the Sonic every now and then, at least I can tip the kid that brings my grub to my car.

eggsacklywright December 13, 2012 at 12:42 pm

I ate at McD once about 20 years ago. A chicken McWhich, I think. That was enough to satisfy my curiosity.

kyeshinka December 13, 2012 at 1:31 pm

Ate at one back in 2004 at a McStop 20 km outside Moscow. It was either that or some cold funky piroshki I grabbed at the train station. Still not sure if I made the right choice; it took four days for my next BM.

Pragmatist2 December 13, 2012 at 1:35 pm

Thanks for sharing.

BaldarTFlagass December 13, 2012 at 12:15 pm

"French fry maker Agoura. Ha Ha that's absurd."

"Yeah? Well you think it's funny huh? There's fucking room to move as a fry cook, man. You know I could be manager in two years? King! God!"

FNMA December 13, 2012 at 2:41 pm

Fuck it. Let's go do some crimes!

JustPixelz December 13, 2012 at 12:15 pm

Makes me think a career as a hamburglar would be more lucrative.

Ruhe December 13, 2012 at 12:16 pm

"C Suite"…that's like some clever new name for "The Boom-Boom Room"? Or does the C refer to Calvanism and so being "in the C Suite" means you're one of the Elect so, here, have some more money?

Biff December 13, 2012 at 12:31 pm

I thought they meant C-Section…

sullivanst December 13, 2012 at 12:42 pm

Let's think… what words start with "C" that most people don't want to spell out in full?

eggsacklywright December 13, 2012 at 12:43 pm

Cornycopia?

Tio_Doidinho December 13, 2012 at 12:58 pm

Coprophasia?

GhostBuggy December 13, 2012 at 1:10 pm

There may be no sex in the champagne room, but there's plenty of screwing going on in the C suite.

GeneralLerong December 13, 2012 at 3:20 pm

Major props to someone capable of making that connection.

Sorta the poster boy for evil dried up pricks.

Jennyjen798 December 13, 2012 at 7:30 pm

Corporate? Probably that. With their golden keys to their golden washrooms under the golden arches.

EatsBabyDingos December 13, 2012 at 12:17 pm

On the plus side, if he swipes and eats a Big Mac a day for 1/8th of those million hours, he will die with a 108 pound colon and only need to poop once a year.

BaldarTFlagass December 13, 2012 at 12:22 pm

That represents quite a savings on the Charmin bill.

freakishlywrong December 13, 2012 at 12:17 pm

That picture is very disturbing. I wish you’d have chosen something else. I realize that it’s a shameful part of American history that we should never forget, but it’s too much.

BaldarTFlagass December 13, 2012 at 12:28 pm

I never noticed before, but what the fuck is up with Ronald's "monotooth?" No wonder kids are scared of clowns. Of course, bonus is no flossing required.

Tundra Grifter December 13, 2012 at 12:37 pm

Some years ago I worked in a shopping center outside Chicago. More kids lined up to meet Ronald McDonald than Santa Claus.

America died that day…

Chet Kincaid_ December 13, 2012 at 1:48 pm

True fact: Regional Ronald McDonalds may never arrive in costume in a vehicle for an event. They must change into costume on the premises. This is so rugrats aren't traumatized by seeing Ronald decapitated in a car crash on the way to the appearance.

MaxNeanderthal December 13, 2012 at 12:37 pm

Remove the face, and the rim of "hair" around the remaining hole would closely resemble an interior view of a sphincter that is in the process of producing some more McProduct…

eggsacklywright December 13, 2012 at 12:45 pm

When they say 100% boeuf, they ain't kiddin.

orygoon December 13, 2012 at 12:17 pm

But does he get a free meal as well as that minimum wage? That adds up–to a premature heart attack.

PopeEdgardo December 13, 2012 at 12:19 pm

Thank you for reminding of why I hate these fucking people so fucking much.

StealthMuslin December 13, 2012 at 12:19 pm

Yeah, Tyree, but how about that full health and dental plus generous retirement?
(head explodes)

DCBloom December 13, 2012 at 12:20 pm

My first job was at a KFC, about 34 years ago. I think the pay was about $5, give or take. Nowadays, they get a whopping $8. With inflation, those poor saps are making like $3 an hour.

Freewayblogger December 13, 2012 at 12:28 pm

My first job (besides the child labor known as paper routes) was at a Del Taco for 2.85 an hour (before taxes). When I got my first paycheck I went to the airport, flew to Phoenix and lived surreptitiously at my girlfriend's parents house for a week. Then when I got back, I actually couldn't understand why they were firing me just for being gone for a week. Ah, youth…

Jerri December 13, 2012 at 1:53 pm

When I was working retail the president of the company explained to us that yeah, we worked hard for minimum wage and no benefits, but we should be grateful that we get to wear jeans to work.

I tried paying the rent by wearing jeans in front of my landlord, but it didn't do anything for her. Who knew?

Sharkey December 13, 2012 at 12:21 pm

It could be worse. At least he doesn't have to work for Cave Johnson.

Goonemeritus December 13, 2012 at 12:22 pm

Last week you told me to stop shopping at Wal-Mart this week it’s McDonalds, please tell me next week will not have a hard hitting exposé on the horrible conditions suffered at titty bars.

HistoriCat December 13, 2012 at 12:48 pm
freakishlywrong December 13, 2012 at 12:23 pm

The "job creators" in reality are really "working poor oh my God how can you look at your greedy selves in the mirror, asshats? creators".

sullivanst December 13, 2012 at 12:23 pm

The GOP once said something true about the economy. Our economy is divided between the makers and the takers: Tyree Johnson makes burgers, Jim Skinner takes all the profit from selling those burgers and sticks it in his pocket.

BaldarTFlagass December 13, 2012 at 12:30 pm

There was once some guy that wrote a book about this type of situation. Manx? Marcus?

sullivanst December 13, 2012 at 12:32 pm

Didn't he have a friend… Angel or something?

HistoriCat December 13, 2012 at 12:49 pm

Adam Smith?

SayItWithWookies December 13, 2012 at 12:23 pm

Gee, a place that dehumanizes its workers, turns animals into a filthy, disease-ridden commodity, and makes its customers wait in line to eat said horrors is a bad corporate citizen? Oh, they also get government subsidies for the water and land that their disgusting crap is raised on. Maybe if everyone had to pay ten bucks for a fuckin' Quarter Pounder this shit wouldn't be happening as much.

Tundra Grifter December 13, 2012 at 12:38 pm

See "Food, Inc."

Lascauxcaveman December 13, 2012 at 12:58 pm

Or even "The Omnivore's Dilemma."

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 12:42 pm

We get what we ask for. None of this is a secret, and in the market economy, the majority rules. We want polluted land, polluted bodies, poverty, and giveways to corporations, obviously, because we line up for that shit by the millions every day. We are giving Mickey D's a manadate, so we can't act surprised or whine while our throats are cut, to paraphrase Downfall

sullivanst December 13, 2012 at 1:10 pm

Who's "we", Kemosabe?

BTW, have you ever thought about how a system which compels parents in poverty both to work every available hour just to get by might promote the consumption of cheap, easily available prepared food? Have you ever considered how this combines with food support programs which couldn't have been better designed to purchasing of food to be done in bulk once a month, frequently resulting in bare pantries by the end of the month? That horse is looking awful high from over here, and I'm not sure you're correctly identifying who's doing the whining.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 1:22 pm

I can't argue that low wages are not exploitative or that they don't harm families. What I am arguing is that companies like McDonald's exploit people who are marginally employable. Really, which is the most likely scenario:
McDonald's creates a poverty trap where none of its workers cannot get higher wages, promotions, or even another job at another company
or
TJ's story is a total outlier

And of course, you have never ordered anything from McDonald's ever. Neither have I. I am not part of the problem because of the way I think about the problem-my behavior does not contribute to the problem because it does not exist. I have not given McDonald's any sort of mandate because I have never been a customer.

sullivanst December 13, 2012 at 1:57 pm

Really, which is the most likely scenario: McDonald's creates a poverty trap where none of its workers cannot get higher wages, promotions, or even another job at another companyorTJ's story is a total outlier

False choice. Since there are more burger flippers than managers, it should be obvious to anyone that it's not necessary for a situation where “none of its workers” can get ahead for it to be the case that some of the workers cannot get ahead, or even many of the workers. In other words, it's quite possible that it's the ones that do get promoted are the outliers.Given that working 40 hours a week at minimum wage is not sufficient to pay the average rent on a two bedroom apartment in any state in the country, and given that city rents are above average, and given that it's therefore impossible for minimum wage workers to build up reserves to buffer against unemployment, and given that you're not entitled to unemployment benefits if you quit, it's absolutely the case that McDonald's creates a poverty trap where many of its entry level workers do not have the opportunity to look for work elsewhere. Looking for work is expensive.

sullivanst December 13, 2012 at 2:04 pm

The pervasive stench of grease laughs loudly in the face of your pathetic bag and also your truly lame strawman characterizations. The point of the article was that the front line workers have gained literally none of the benefit of the skyrocketing profitability of the corporate machine for which they are the engine, it has instead been entirely captured by the executive class.

If the front-line workers add no value, why have they not all been fired already? Oh, maybe it's because the company would quickly go bankrupt without them? What's the difference between bankruptcy and multi-billions of dollars of profit? I'd call that value.

GeneralLerong December 13, 2012 at 3:30 pm

Tanks, sullivanst. I actually waded through all that.

You win this attractive cast iron "I'm the Grownup" badge!

T3rbo gets a prize, too, also, though: the glittery memorial ribbon dedicated to Ima Wanker.

BaldarTFlagass December 13, 2012 at 12:23 pm

"Just be thankful that you have a job(s)."

CrunchyKnee December 13, 2012 at 12:23 pm

Hey Skinner, why not outsource those shitty jobs to Chiner! Think of all the money you'd save…oh yeah, that's right, you need local workers, people who live in your community, but never fear, they'll never get into your gated subdivision, and if they do, the idiot security guard making just a few dollars more than the browns at your sweat shit shops will shoot them dead. Ah USA, ain't it grand?

James Michael Curley December 13, 2012 at 12:24 pm

This guy is probably being shafted again by McDonalds if they take out the state unemployment and disability taxes from each paycheck. Then he ends up paying twice as much on the first couple thousand of income with no way to recover it and a potential audit from the IRS if he itemizes and show too big a deduction for these state taxes. Of course, this can be remediated by the McDonalds corporate office but do you think they bother?

Lascauxcaveman December 13, 2012 at 1:04 pm

Itemize? You think he has enough deductions to even bother?

James Michael Curley December 13, 2012 at 1:19 pm

Of course not. I don’t even have enough deductions to itemize in a few years as my mortgage interest payments go down and the interest rate is already at 2.825%.

Callyson December 13, 2012 at 12:24 pm

"No, I would not like to supersize that–I can barely afford the small size on what you pay me."

sullivanst December 13, 2012 at 12:35 pm

It's enough to make a body think "Mangez les riches", n'est-ce pas?

Weedlord BonerHitler December 13, 2012 at 11:39 pm

Fond memories of all those movies … "How Tasty Was My Little Frenchman" … "Eating Raoul" … (looks around nervously) Anyone seen the CRE_ature?

BaldarTFlagass December 13, 2012 at 12:25 pm

I don't understand. The people that they show consuming their products in the TV advertisements seem so nice and are having so much fun.

PopeEdgardo December 13, 2012 at 12:30 pm

And not a one of them weighs 375 pounds.

SuspectedDemocrat December 13, 2012 at 12:34 pm

They put it in front of a focus group and "I'm lovin' it" scored better than, "I'm wheezing when I talk and trying not to think about how the smelly worker survives in this job."

BaldarTFlagass December 13, 2012 at 12:26 pm

I wonder if anyone ever asks if an animal had to die to make that Quarter Pounder.

Tundra Grifter December 13, 2012 at 12:39 pm

Remember when Jack in the Box sold shakes that had no dairy products of any kind in them?

CrunchyKnee December 13, 2012 at 12:46 pm

Wiggum: Do they have Krusty-Partially-Gelatinated-Non-Dairy-Gum-Based-Beverages?
Lou: Mm-hm. And they call 'em "Shakes"
Eddie: Heh. "Shakes". You don't know what you're gettin'.

eggsacklywright December 13, 2012 at 12:49 pm

Bet they'll be using cloned boeufs before long.

eggsacklywright December 13, 2012 at 12:55 pm

Ooh, cloned beef and cabbage!

James Michael Curley December 13, 2012 at 12:26 pm

If ten percent of parents decide that their toddlers and preschoolers should have their intake of salt, saturated fat and MSG reduced, McDonalds would be out of business in a year. And the sugar market world wide would collapse.

orygoon December 13, 2012 at 12:28 pm

I taught economics to the high schoolers at the tiny private school that my kids attended back in Texas. (Don't hate me; the public schools were pretty awful.) In one session I pelted the kids–who were divided on the political spectrum–with figures about the divergence of compensation over there years in America, as it stood in the late nineties. When I told them how many years of work it would take a minimum-wage worker to get as much compensation as the Disney CEO (Eisner) in some recent year (tens of thousand), and all hell broke loose–in a class of eleven. Sorta like the bit in the Bloomberg article "Johnson would need about a million hours of work — or more than a century on the clock — to earn the $8.75 million that McDonald’s, based in the Chicago suburb of Oak Brook, paid then- CEO Jim Skinner last year." That is quite some perspective.

sullivanst December 13, 2012 at 12:40 pm

Of course, the throwaway "more than a century on the clock" actually minimizes the issue, since it's more than a century of being on the clock 24/7. It's 500 years of working 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year (haha, like McDonalds' flippers get vacation!)

SuspectedDemocrat December 13, 2012 at 12:43 pm

Yeah but think about all the savings from being in a lower tax bracket!

HistoriCat December 13, 2012 at 12:53 pm

You have to figure in personal time so the peasants can stop smelling so filthy after all.

Tundra Grifter December 13, 2012 at 12:40 pm

In a somewhat indirect way, you have put your finger on why (r)Money lost and President Obama won.

An_Outhouse December 13, 2012 at 12:29 pm

The average 'caregiver' makes 2.8% more than a burger flipper? Clearly, that is backward. Priorities, people.

SuspectedDemocrat December 13, 2012 at 12:29 pm

BRING BACK THE MCRIB!!1!!!!!111!

freakishlywrong December 13, 2012 at 12:30 pm

This story is as gross as McDonald's alleged "food".

christianmuslin December 13, 2012 at 12:30 pm

His career ladder has no rungs.

Jukesgrrl December 13, 2012 at 3:37 pm

The more I learn about the restaurant industry, the more I eat at home.

red_kira December 13, 2012 at 12:32 pm

Holy fuck. That just made me want to open a vein.

Or maybe a CEO's vein.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 12:32 pm

Yes, the truth lies at one extreme of this argument or another: either fast food workers are pitiable proles who are taken advantage of or they are lazy proles who don't try very hard.
Obviously, Mickey D's should pay people more, but who is at fault if you work at a dead end part time job for twenty years? I get it, Chicago's school system produces some inadequate citizens who are not that educated, but twenty years?
My take, as if anyone gives a shit, on this economic situation is this: our parents were able to get jobs that did not require education or a certain skill set to get in the door, and these jobs paid well. You could be a loser and get a job and make a career and retire with a pension 30 years ago. Those days are over, but should we really look back and gnash our teeth because we used to reward people who were marginally employable for just being there? Something has to be said for efficiency, even if it leaves losers behind.
Think about it-why is this guy only getting 20 hours a week? Does this story really represent how all employees of this company are treated? No one works full time at this company? No one is promoted? That seems unlikely. This company may be a shit place to work, but if you go after it, I am not so sure that you will be in this guy's situation.
This guy may be a victim of bad corporate citizenship, but is everyone at McDonald's?

Tommy1733 December 13, 2012 at 12:44 pm

What you say is true, but it does seem clear to me that the powerful members of our society are actively taking steps to make things harder on the masses, so I can't accept that the two sides are equally complicit. Our free-market system allows, even encourages this growing disparity between the richest and the rest, so while I support free markets, it is dead obvious that to continue in this vein will be more harmful to myself and others in my economic class. So it can be seen as pure self-interest that I want to help this guy and others like him – a strong middle class provides security and stability for everyone. The problem is, will the rich start becoming benevolent or are we going to eventually have some serious strife?

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 12:54 pm

The way I see it is that outsiders or those who do not consume Mickey D's food have much less power than those who do. I would guess that the consumers of this food give not a shit about what goes on at these places as long as these companies meet some minimum standards set by law.
Are these companies meeting the standards? Absolutely.
Would the consumers of these products take a stand or insist that employees receive more just compensation? Probably not

Should we insist that the minimum wage is higher for employees like this? Should we insist that this guy gets 40 hours a week? I'm not sure. Here is the scenario that I can envision:

McDonald's is forced to employ everyone at $15/hour for 40 hours a week and provide full benefits. Tyree Johnson is very quickly fired because he is a lazy ass who smells like he does not wash his clothes. He stands around, fucks up orders, looks sad, and is generally not worth $15/hour. Tyree is replaced by someone who is a better worker and who tries harder, and now he is unemployed.

SuspectedDemocrat December 13, 2012 at 1:06 pm

I'm okay with that scenario. If paying higher wages makes McDs more selective about who they hire, and in response the job applicants have to step up their game to get the job, I don't see the downside. Even if 90% of their workers are lazy slobs, they can't fire them without replacing them.

The real argument McDs management makes is that if they paid a decent wage, they would have to raise prices. And then the consuming public would find out it's cheaper and healthier to make their own sammiches.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 1:14 pm

The downside is that TJ now does not even have a job! I don't see TJ stepping up his game by 100% to match the wage increase-he will get fired, and those who are marginally employable are now even more marginal

Chet Kincaid_ December 13, 2012 at 2:05 pm

Wow, you seem to have imagined quite a lot of damning evidence about what a human piece of shit Tyree Johnson is. Impressive.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 3:07 pm

Exactly. People tend to reduce complex problems to their simplest elements in order to quickly understand them, come up with simple solutions, and move on.
I forgot, McDonald's is engaged in a vast conspiracy against poor TJ. That is the simplest possible explanation. McDonald's bad!

Jukesgrrl December 13, 2012 at 3:40 pm

The fact that TJ has shown up for work consistently enough in twenty years to remain an employee should in itself convey some very positive information about his assets as an employee.

sullivanst December 13, 2012 at 12:49 pm

Sounds like someone skipped right over the part where Johnson explained exactly how it was that he got repeatedly thrown off the ladder and had to start at the bottom yet again.

Also too, I fucking stone cold guarantee that if you fired the CEO and replaced it with a clone of Tyree Johnson, it'd much less detrimental to the company's profits than if you fired all the flippers and replaced them with clones of Jim Skinner. Stone cold guarantee it.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 1:00 pm

No, I read that part. He does not get promoted at one store because he smells like he has been working all day at another store. What about the store where he shows up with fresh clothes? He does not get promoted because?
I stone cold guarantee that TJ does not have an advanced degree-sounds like some cultural revolution style thinking.The workers can replace the CEOs easily, even if the workers dropped out of high school. TJ should bring in his silverware to be melted down for the great leap forward. Have you ever taken any business management seminars? They are extremely technical and are not something that one just intuits.

Here's some career advice for our victim: buy another set of uniforms so that you have clean clothes that don't smell like grease when you show up for work, especially if you know that your promotions or wages depend on it. I know, starvation wages and all that, he can't afford it. He can only afford to work at the same job for the same money for 20 years, it's not his fault.

sullivanst December 13, 2012 at 1:29 pm

You could take a hundred showers and never wash the stench of condescension of that comment. Fortunately, that smells great to performance evaluators.

Also, CLEARLY YOU DID NOT READ THE PART WHERE HE GETS REPEATEDLY DEMOTED BECAUSE OF OWNERSHIP CHANGES AT THE FRANCHISES WHERE HE WORKS.

CEOs love to think that all the bullshit financial engineering they do to make pretty reports that Wall St. analysts can fap to increases value, because that entire class has completely lost any connection to the reality of what "value" means. Value is produced when somebody creates a product or provides a service – i.e. what Tyree Johnson does – not when somebody works out how to move a number from one column to another so they can create an entirely artificial spike in RoC and use it to justify a massive bonus for themselves.

Also too, where exactly is he supposed to keep the clean uniform such that the stink of grease won't pervade it, too? He's going direct from job 1 to job 2, after all.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 1:45 pm

So much yelling!
I bet that happened to everyone-they probably demoted all of the employees and managers when the franchises changed hands.
We could argue about the points of this poor guy's life, but that's not the point. The point of the article was that no one makes any money at McDonald's but the executives, and everyone works there for 20 years part time at minimum wage.
Also, I think you hit the nail on the head: these jobs are low wage shit jobs because NO ONE ADDS VALUE. You interact with the employee for ten seconds, they re heat the food in the back, and they get it to you as quickly as possible. The building adds more value than the employees.
I would propose that he puts the clothes in a bag so that the grease does not get to it-that probably won't work, because no one gets promoted or gets a raise ever no matter what they do.

shawnthesheep December 13, 2012 at 2:02 pm

You are completely fucking clueless. If you really care, try being part of the solution, instead of blaming the poors for being poor.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 2:58 pm

shawn-you need to go find something else to do instead of responding to every point I make so that you lose sight of the argument entirely. If you want, I'll send you an autographed picture if you need something to jerk off to? I have completely lost sight of what in the hell we are talking about except you being a very smart and smug stalker. Go do something else.

red_kira December 13, 2012 at 2:23 pm

The soullessness of that comment is overwhelming.

FrankFuror December 13, 2012 at 12:53 pm

I am going to agree with this guy, even if it does make me a bad librul™. The one guy (anecdotal evidence ahoy!) I knew who worked for McDonalds was promoted to manager in about two years, his chief attribute that separated him form the pack being that he showed up to work on time. If you have worked at McDonalds for 20 years and have not been promoted, or found a better job, and actually show up, then you are most likely working at the upper end of your ability, and are very low-functioning. This article reeks of taking some handicapped individual's story and using it to take potshots at CEOs. I don't like fatcats any more than the next guy here, but I object to using mentally challenged people as weapons in the fight.

And having worked in minimum wage jobs before, yes you are expected to bathe before you come into work, even though work makes you dirty again. This is as much for your coworkers as anyone else.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 1:05 pm

Yeah, I feel the same way. I feel really bad for people who can't get ahead, but I don't think this is McDonald's fault that this guy has never had any mentoring. I mean really, my dad would never let me rest if I had a McJob for 20 years, but I know I am lucky to have someone who would not let me fail in this way. It's not McDonald's fault that this guy doesn't have anyone to help him just like it's not to McDonald's credit that I have a dad that is worth a shit

shawnthesheep December 13, 2012 at 1:58 pm

Do you know anyone living in poverty? Do you know how hard it is for someone to attain a higher income bracket than their parents did? Statistically, it's incredibly fucking rare.

No one is saying that its McD's fault that this guy hasn't graduated from Harvard Law School, but it is McD's fault that they are exploiting this guy's hard work while systematically preventing him from getting a raise or advancing his career and using their political clout to keep minimum wage insanely low.

Australia has $18/hour minimum wage, free health care and mandatory employer-sponsored retirement benefits. Yes, the cost of living is a bit higher than the US but the quality of life is even higher than that. There is something truly wrong with the US system and the distribution of wealth. Every time someone like you throws up your hands and blames the poors for not having the drive to accomplish more, another Republican cashes in. You are part of the problem.

As for you saying, "It's too bad this guy doesn't have a dad to push him to achieve something," that's an incredibly naive thing to say. You won the parent lottery. Bully for you. That's such an amazing personal accomplishment. But you know nothing about this guy and his personal history. As for saying "It's not McD's fault that this guy has never had any mentoring: WTF? First, you don't know he hasn't had any mentoring. Second, if he hasn't had any mentoring, IT IS his McD's fault. Employers are capable of treating their employees with dignity and respect. They can identify loyal, hard-working employees and mentor them. They can send them to training programs. They can promote them. But, unlike better corporate citizens like Costco and Inn-N-Out, McDonald's is more interested in exploiting them.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 2:06 pm

your argument makes a number of assumptions:
1)TJ is a hard worker
2)McDonald's is the one preventing the promotion/raise
3)I don't live in poverty

I don't know that we can compare australia and the United States. Probably we can compare Sydney and Denver, but what city in Australia is like Chicago?

shawnthesheep December 13, 2012 at 2:03 pm

So, if this guy HAS reached his potential, what is so wrong with that? In other countries, low-functioning people are not consigned to lives of abject poverty. They are paid a living wage and given medical benefits. Their children get a good education and have opportunities to advance. But not in the good 'ol USA.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 2:07 pm

what does that have to do with McDonald's?

shawnthesheep December 13, 2012 at 2:25 pm

McDonald's is his employer, that what it fucking has to do with it. They choose to spend their money lobbying to keep minimum wage low, instead of spending their money compensating their employees better. They could be good corporate citizens, like some others, but instead they choose to exploit their employees while overpaying their executives.

Clearly, McD's is not to blame for the entire system. But you act like this is, "just the way it is" and nothing can be done about it. Our system is to blame. McD's is to blame. And you and your apathy are to blame. Sure, TJ is responsible for his own choices, but he can't control the system he's in.

red_kira December 13, 2012 at 2:24 pm

Holy crap – now he's developmentally disabled? Where do you get THAT?

hagajim December 13, 2012 at 1:00 pm

Look at the broader numbers. McD's profits up 135% over the past 4 years, but wages still suck ass for pretty much everyone. Having worked in this setting once upon a time, a promotion usually means 10 cents an hour more, a shitload more responsibility and no real path forward beyong shift manager.

shelwood46 December 13, 2012 at 1:31 pm

Yes, pretty much they are.

MoeDeLawn December 13, 2012 at 1:31 pm

"Does this story really represent how all employees of this company are treated? No one works full time at this company? No one is promoted? That seems unlikely."

It is not only likely, it's what MBAs have been trained in for the last several decades. McDs is a franchise, and its existence is about profits, not product or "job creation". If it wasn't for the inconvenience of their customers happening to live in the US, most of these "jobs" would be done overseas, just like what happened to manufacturing in the 80s & 90s. You ARE right about the efficiency. It's much more efficient (and profitable) to have 20 part timers than it is 8 full timers.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 1:39 pm

It may be likely, but that is not what the story proves at all. I can make up horrible details about what McDonald's does, but it does not make any of the things I suspect true. And that is the point of the article, to project liberal angst onto a target using a story that is pretty astonishing and unusual.

Chet Kincaid_ December 13, 2012 at 2:07 pm

Yes, bleeding heart Bloomberg News is about 100 miles left of Daily Kos, so you can't trust a thing they write.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 2:58 pm

what they wrote about is a guy who can't get more money from McDonald's and how much CEOs make….

shawnthesheep December 13, 2012 at 1:38 pm

My take is that you are incredibly full of shit. Our parents did not get magical jobs that required no education or skills that paid them a living wage. Yes, some of them got blue collar jobs that paid them a livable wage with retirement and health benefits, but most of those jobs are gone and wages are not keeping up with the cost of living. 50 years ago, a person earning minimum wage would be doing a lot better than they are today.

As for whether or not this guy should still be working at McDonald's after 20 years, who the fuck are you to judge him? He obviously works hard, but if he has no HS diploma, and his only work experience is part-time at McDonald's, who is going to hire him? Clearly, not you, since you think so little of him.

Seriously, our society produced this person. We need to be set up to give him a decent life It's not just in his best interests but in everyone's. If everybody gets to live a decent life, then we all have a better country to live in and there's less likely to be prol's chasing us around with guillotines.

These marginally employable people of past generatiosn you talk about, were hardworking folks who provided much needed services. Or do you think the trash cans emptied themselves at the schools you attended? Should the janitor have been looked down upon as a lazy bastard with no drive to improve his life? What the fuck do you do that's so important that you can pass judgment on all of those beneath you? My guess is that you are sitting at work, reading wonkette, and passing judgment on the "efficiency" of others without any sense of irony.

Seriously, all the well-paid guys I know spend half their time checking facebook and looking at internet porn. How's that efficient?

McDonald's is set up to keep from advancing employees like this guy. They don't want to make him a FTE. They don't want to pay him benefits. They want to pay him minimum wage, so they ship him around from location to location and constantly knock him down to the bottom rung of the ladder.

Sure, McDonald's has managers and full-time employees, but they rarely come from the ranks of the burger-flippers or the floor-moppers.

All these corporations are making record profits, but all the money is going into fewer hands. McDonald's could pay a living wage (see: -Out, Inn-'N). But they'd rather overpay their corporate execs and pay dividends to their shareholders.

Fuck them and you with a rusty porcupine.

Chet Kincaid_ December 13, 2012 at 2:02 pm

I rule in your favor.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 2:02 pm

Well, thank you for proving that civility is not dead.

It's McDonald's fault that good jobs are gone now, because working at McDonald's used to be a great job. Point taken.

We all live in the real world, and in the real world, people who drop out of high school are totally fucked. Working at McDonald's for 20 years part time for no money is a symptom of being fucked.

But you are right, we should give this guy some stuff he has not worked for-McDonald's employees should make $80,000 a year.

The janitor was looked down as an alcoholic at my grade school. He should have driven a bentley-30 years ago, he lived like a fucking king, I am sure.

Please prove that McDonald's is set up to not promote or give raises using anything but anecdotal evidence.

Tommy1733 December 13, 2012 at 2:16 pm

Why don't you prove that McDonald's workers who don't get promoted are lazy and smelly using anything but anecdotal evidence? The only sensible way to look at this is with history and rationality. History shows us what happens when the powerful lose sight of benevolence. Rationality tells us that compassion for as many people as possible is beneficial to everyone. Your arguments and viewpoint seem to simply echo the standard Romney 47% crap. He was simply wrong. That viewpoint, when exercised by the powerful, makes everything worse for everyone else. That is not a recipe for a healthy society.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 2:39 pm

The person highlighted in the story said that he smelled bad.
My viewpoint is this: there are two explanations for this guy working for 20 years at a job and not getting promoted. One of them is simple, one is complex.
The complex argument involves a vast conspiracy of all the McDonald's in the world conspiring against every one of their workers to hold wages down and to prevent promotion.
The parsimonious explanation is shorter: there is something wrong with this guy

Spider-Jerk December 13, 2012 at 2:34 pm

What do you mean "he hasn't worked for"?
The man works two very menial jobs; odds are he works harder than both of us put together. Just because he works at a low-ranking job doesn't mean he shouldn't make enough to live on.

shawnthesheep December 13, 2012 at 2:34 pm

Please kindly fuck off, oh great Racist Assumer of Everything about Poor People and Blahs.

Our education system sucks. We need more vocational training for those not interested or suited for college. Very little exists.

The fact that you looked down on your janitor says a lot about the kind of person you are.

I don't have to prove shit. You are pulling any blind assumption you want out of your ass and then holding me to some standard of proof. That's a joke.

But, just to humor you, look at the stats quoted IN THE FUCKING ARTICLE. The wage gap between store workers and top executives has increased exponentially over the last few decades. You think that happens because McD's is promoting and giving raises to their store workers?

Sassomatic December 13, 2012 at 2:53 pm

Civility? This is fucking WONKETTE! Now go blow a herd of goats.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 3:05 pm

How rude, you didn't even say "may you please."

red_kira December 13, 2012 at 2:25 pm

Right. On.

And thank you.

Chet Kincaid_ December 13, 2012 at 2:04 pm

Why don't you go find out the answers yourself, and tell us what they are?

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 2:09 pm

obvs, force McDonald's to pay someone who they have passed over for promotion dozens of times (hundreds?) more money because that would make society more just

Chet Kincaid_ December 13, 2012 at 2:31 pm

You raised a series of specific questions about McDonald's in your first comment. You have a lot of free time on your hands, and could get the answers with a little Googling. Instead, you'd rather just "raise questions" and fabricate further damning details about the guy in the article, instead of finding out if the environment McDonald's creates is a fair one overall. Until you do that, you are just bullshitting. Don't blame me, you volunteered!

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 3:00 pm

I volunteered by posing rhetorical questions. The only responses I got were "You're racist! McDonald's is engaged in a vast conspiracy against their workers, and TJ's story is a symptom." Boring.

Jukesgrrl December 13, 2012 at 3:46 pm

I think he volunteered for the banhammer. Where is it anyway? It's not just for giggly people from Brazil.

Spider-Jerk December 13, 2012 at 2:37 pm

YES, EXACTLY. MAKE THEM PAY LIVABLE WAGES.

If TJ were as useless as you keep trying to paint him McD would have fired him a loooooong time ago; goodness knows they have their pick of teenagers and people desperate for work to choose from.

Obviously he is valuable enough to keep on, so it stands to reason he is valuable enough to treat like a goddamn human being.

shawnthesheep December 13, 2012 at 3:02 pm

Yes. Exactly. Raises should be mandatory. If a person is good enough to keep around, he's good enough to give a raise to. If he doesn't deserve a raise in 20 years, then don't keep him around for 20 years. Raising the minimum wage by at least 50% would help, too.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 3:04 pm

that's racist

Chet Kincaid_ December 13, 2012 at 3:57 pm

I don't think you even read the Bloomberg article. McDonald's franchisee organizations advocate against raising the minimum wage at every opportunity. McDonald's Corporation enforces strict conformity on retail pricing. This allows their corporate spokesperson to say with a straight face that the Corporation doesn't set wages for franchisees, while still forcing those wages down.

McDonald's is a very shrewdly constructed business. The Corporation owns about 25% of the restaurants, lock, stock and barrel; the rest are owned by franchisees. But McDonald's owns the land on which the franchisee restaurants are built, and charges rent, as well as imposing strict standards on every single thing a franchisee does in order use the McDonald's name.

McDonald's owners are organized like governmental bodies. Every market in the country has a not-for-profit association consisting of all the McDonald's owners in that market. These bodies oversee the spending of marketing and advertising funds in each market. This gives these owners the illusion of local control of marketing activities. The local franchises send representatives to the national owner-operator committee that runs national marketing and advertising programs. As the article points out, these local associations spend money to lobby state governments so that they don't have to pay a dime in wages that they don't feel like paying.

The franchisee system allows McDonald's Corporation to avoid responsibility for the very wage policies it controls by pretending franchisees are autonomous, independent businesses. So if somebody's working full-time hours in total at two McDonald's owned by two different operators, they can be screwed out of a decent wage and benefits. Hey, it's "nobody's fault"!

You would rather talk about how Tyree Johnson is a lazy, smelly, retarded ass in your imagination (I don't think the article supports that characterization) than talk about the bigger issues.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 4:48 pm

Yeah, that's the whole point of the article, to me. Everyone here wants to cry tears because this guy made minimum wages for 20 years part time. To me, there is something fucking wrong with this guy.
The turnover rate at this company is something like 60% for a reason-if my boss told me that I can't get a raise because I smell bad, I would probably do something else after I don't know five years.
I know, poor people are totally fucking helpless-this guy is a single mother who is in a poverty trap, poor guy. The bottom line, for me, is that this dude is a fucking loser because he stuck with a company that sucks for TWO DECADES

Chet Kincaid_ December 13, 2012 at 5:05 pm

OK, thanks.

djneedlz December 13, 2012 at 4:10 pm

Now they pay robots and computers to do the jobs of many of the "marginally employable," and thanks to Right-to-Work laws and general union-fucking, there is nothing to stop the rest of the low-skilled workforce who can't be replaced by silicon from being made to work half-time with no benefits and no promotions or full-time work.
Because they can.
So either we 1) imprison and/or dispose of all these unemployed parasites who are "just being there" because otherwise, being a desperate, starving mass of angry people and all, they're going to eventually decide to steal our shit. Or 2) change the laws to promote livable wages, greater employment, and / or a robust social safety net to make sure we don't live in a fucking favela-ringed hellhole of walled compounds, rampant kidnapping and murder. I kind of like civilization, so I'm going with the latter, even if it means my Big Mac is now $1 more. I assume you are going with "nya-nya-nya fuck the moochers ptttthhhht" and moar jerking off to Ayn Rand aynal fantasy pix. I assume this because of how well I know you, from this one post and all.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 4:44 pm

I was actually just being a troll. I have an idea that most liberals cannot make a reasoned argument that is not based on ethics. Ha!
I actually worked as a union organizer, about half a dozen years ago-I was a union member that was pissed off that a former employer went non-union. The argument that I used to get people to sign cards was "We can make them pay us more, train us more, and treat us better: what is right is what we will force them to do." Avoided all of the "if everyone would share more, the world would be filled with more hugs" bullshit that workers don't give a fuck about.

djneedlz December 13, 2012 at 6:07 pm

I applaud your Wu-Tang style.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 6:11 pm

Fake mother fuckers on teh internet, thinking writing things about McDonald's is fighting for labor-I've been fired for organizing unions. Go drive through and get your fucking Mc Bullshit and pretend you're not part of the problem (gently wipes tears away). I hate you guys! (i'll be in my room)

BigSkullF*ckingDog December 13, 2012 at 10:51 pm

Wow. The mcDonalds PR department really has too much time on their hands.

Hammiepants December 13, 2012 at 12:34 pm

Fast food is bad for you in so, so many ways, this not the least of it. Fucking sad.

sullivanst December 13, 2012 at 12:36 pm

Probably be a much more difficult question to answer.

BaldarTFlagass December 13, 2012 at 12:37 pm

Tyree should borrow 20 grand from his mom and open his own McD's franchise.

red_kira December 13, 2012 at 2:25 pm

Mitt! Is that you?

Jennyjen798 December 13, 2012 at 7:41 pm

He just needs to borrow $980,000 more! 20k won't even pay the initial "so you want to be a member of the Mcdonald's owners club" fee which is 45k. >_<

Biff December 13, 2012 at 12:38 pm

Downfist button needed.

Tommy1733 December 13, 2012 at 12:39 pm

Slightly OT, but I fervently wish that Stephen Colbert would cease the YUM Brands product placement in his show.

Dr_Zoidberg December 13, 2012 at 12:40 pm

Eat the rich.

TootsStansbury December 13, 2012 at 12:49 pm

I'll have fries with that.

eggsacklywright December 13, 2012 at 12:59 pm

They'll need a LOT of marinating.

sullivanst December 13, 2012 at 1:12 pm

Plenty of rendering, also.

Spider-Jerk December 13, 2012 at 3:46 pm

They probably would taste better than anything from McDonald's…

Sharkey December 13, 2012 at 12:41 pm

And they still won't tell him what's in the special sauce.

hagajim December 13, 2012 at 12:48 pm

I've given this topic a lot of thought over the years and at some point I thought we'd reach a tipping point where fast food and other service workers would raise hell and unionize. However, with the Michigan fiasco I'm afraid it's not going to happen anytime soon.

DixvilleCrotch December 13, 2012 at 12:51 pm

They're almost as bad as Papa Song's in Cloud Atlas.

SuspectedDemocrat December 13, 2012 at 1:01 pm

Papa Songs is just Papa Johns after they were forced to provide health benefits. Thanks a lot, Obamacare!

AncienReggie December 13, 2012 at 1:29 pm

Between this kind of shit, the outrage in Michigan, and the fact that GOPpers have gerrymandered democracy right out of This Great Land of Ours … I keep thinking, Revolution. We fucking need a revolution.

BigSkullF*ckingDog December 13, 2012 at 3:26 pm

We shall call it the McRevolution.

Chet Kincaid_ December 13, 2012 at 1:41 pm

This is a disgrace.

mormos December 13, 2012 at 1:44 pm

Why doesn't he just get one of those full ride affirmative action black person scholarships that totally exist and educate himself so he can get a better job? Because minorities get all the breaks in this country according to some bigots I know.

mbobier December 13, 2012 at 1:57 pm

Ack! Loathsome proles! You must find a way to work here without coming into contact with the grease-soaked air! Perhaps a giant plastic bag, equipped with a snorkel, would help. After all, not smelling like McDonald's is the only way you'll ever have a chance to earn a decent living wage, so you can afford not to spend all your waking hours here! Oh, wait….

Caradeloca December 13, 2012 at 2:09 pm

Thank god we're not like those socialist Japanese who put limits on the job creators' salaries. Socialists.

Troglodeity December 13, 2012 at 2:49 pm

At least he'll be presented a wristwatch when he retires. Granted, it'll be plastic and he'll have to buy a Happy Meal to get it.

FNMA December 13, 2012 at 2:56 pm

Off-topic, sort of, but my dearest Wonkette, you missed a wonderful opportunity to fuck with someone while working at Bloomies. You should have told the guy who wanted the fawnskin coat that the deer would be fine and tell him "It grows back." And then, imagine him telling all of his friends that the deer would be OK and its skin would grow back.

Learned this sort of stuff from my wife, who worked retail for years until she had to change careers before she killed someone.

Jukesgrrl December 13, 2012 at 3:23 pm

Ah, that brought back a fond memory from not all that long ago. I was working in the linen department at a Robinson-May store (one of my many jerbs that disappeared when my employer was swallowed by a larger one). I advised a customer about a good buy on the down comforter she was looking at. She wheeled around and shouted, for all the other customers to hear, "WHAT DO YOU KNOW?? YOU WORK IN DEPARTMENT STORE!!!"

starfanglednut December 13, 2012 at 5:18 pm

He can't come to work at McDonalds smelling like he works at McDonalds? WTF?

BZ1 December 13, 2012 at 5:44 pm

Perhaps dipping in acid baths?

NinjaCat_Baba December 13, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Genio1 December 13, 2012 at 8:40 pm

Seeing as I am currently a high end gopher with a fancy title I must be an up-n-comer of some sorts but I too spent time in the retail and fast foods and dealt with the idiocy of those whom suspect you're an idiot for having that job.

I recall the young Cal Baptist Univ. boy-man who asked me, the manager at blockbuster video, if we had Amadeus available. He did so by saying, " can you look if you have Amadeus for me…that's A-M-A…" which I stopped short by relaying to him that I too, surprisingly since I'm a poor, can spell Amadeus. I then told him, "yes, sir, it appears we have it. It's in the drama section. That's D-R-A-M-A." Oh my the crucified look of anguish and ego-bruised bewilderment….

Another great article Wonkette. Keep em coming.

azeyote December 13, 2012 at 8:57 pm

who the fuck would want to spend 20 years with a clown that's not funny

aklibtard December 14, 2012 at 3:11 am

Tyree. Hmm. I wonder if he's of the dark persuasion. That wouldn't have anything to do with him being constantly demoted and dehumanized would it?

SuspectedDemocrat December 13, 2012 at 1:27 pm

So which is it? Is the problem that people aren't educated/skilled/motivated enough to get a better job? Or that the uneducated/unskilled/unlucky ones get a shit job that they can't live off of? Or do we as a society need these underpaid shit jobs for people like the subject of the story, so they can live a marginal life (in which case it ain't broke don't fix it)?

I have no frame of reference in my own life for this situation, but obviously we need people working in these jobs if we want our burgers. The only options I see are 1) the jobs are exclusively held by young people who quickly move on to something with a liveable wage, 2) McDs starts paying a liveable wage so people who can't or won't move on to something better can still live on it, or 3) it's a shit job so fuck 'em for not doing better.

shawnthesheep December 13, 2012 at 2:00 pm

Man, you just keep pulling assumptions out of your ass. You know nothing about this guy except that he works at McD's and you continue to act like you know who he is and what he is like.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 1:35 pm

Exactly. People tend to reduce complex problems to their simplest elements in order to quickly understand them, come up with simple solutions, and move on. This story seems to presented in this way:
McDonald's does not pay you even if you work there forever. The company is very profitable, and the CEO makes a lot of money. Therefore, McDonald's should pay the workers more. That is a simplification.

One of the issues that is ignored above, in the articles we are discussing, is exactly as you described. What do we do with people who cannot compete in the workforce? We can't just ignore them or let companies like McDonald's do what they want, so we have created minimum wage laws, but these companies get around the law by employing people part time. We can't just force McDonald's to throw money at these people, because this will create even greater competition for these menial jobs, and people like TJ may not be worth even the $8/hour that they make.

So what do we do? I think the tendency is to be reactive-let's ignore poverty and poor people until they work at McDonald's, when the problem cannot be easily fixed. We could just simplify the issue and pretend the McDonald's is the source of poverty!

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 2:04 pm

False choice: outlying workers get promoted or they stay at the job for 20 years

sullivanst December 13, 2012 at 2:14 pm

So now you're deliberately ignoring his history to preserve your smug self-satisfaction.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 2:15 pm

Grease stench cannot laugh, except in strange anamorphic metaphors.

The point of the article was to get you to do exactly what you are doing: view McDonald's through the strange lens of a person who has worked there for 20 years, part time, at minimum wage and to draw a generalization about McDonald's that gets you mad.

They add marginal value which is why they have seen marginal gains in wages. Your generalization fails when you apply it to technology companies, but I take your point.

And of course, McDonald's profitability has nothing to do with expanding into new asian markets, but we'll ignore that and pretend that it is entirely driven by wage inequality.

shawnthesheep December 13, 2012 at 2:16 pm

Of course no one gets promoted. That's the point. This guys is being given made-up reasons as to why he's not getting ahead. He actually cares enough that he tries to improve his hygiene even though that has nothing to do with why he's not being promoted or given a raise. He's not given these things because McD's would rather continue to exploit him at minimum wage. They have created a system of employee exploitation.

If you think the food service employees do not add value, you've obviously never managed a fast food restaurant or known anyone that owns a franchise. The food service employees make or break you. That is why managing them is so important.

You strike me as someone with an MBA who thinks he knows all but has never worked a menial job in his life. You also don't seem nearly as bright as you think you are. See how easy it is to make assumptions about someone while knowing little about them?

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 2:17 pm

Yes, exactly. No, wait, I am pretending that the outlier represents the trend and is significant. In fact, the outlier, which is contained in the only data set that is presented for discussion, IS the trend.

Unless we introduce your data set, which is from what, your intuition?

shawnthesheep December 13, 2012 at 2:21 pm

So there you have it. Your veiled racism because more transparent. Thanks for playing.

1. I did not assume that TJ worked hard. But you don't typically stay employed for 20 years at a job if you don't give a minimum amount of effort. Plenty of people get fired from McD's.

2. I'm not assuming that McD's is preventing the promotion/raise. Their policies ARE preventing it. They could require franchise-holders to pay employees based on years worked at all McD's franchises, but they don't. The could have mandatory raises based on seniority, but they don't. They could have employee-training programs for loyal employees that have been with the company for a certain number of years but they don't.

3. I didn't assume you don't live in poverty. But you stated a bunch of reasons why you were so much better than someone who accepts a minimum wage job at McD's for 20 years, so it was reasonable to think that you had achieved a higher level of income than that.

4. You assumed far more about TJ than I assumed about you.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 2:23 pm

I get that "no one gets promoted" is the point, which is why I have an issue with this article. One guy works there for 20 years and never gets promoted or gets a raise, and the simplest explanation is that no one gets promoted, even though nothing I have ever seen proves this fact? Skepticism may be the mark of a good education, so I'll take your left handed compliment, but prove anything but this to me:

There was a guy who we will call TJ to save time. TJ worked at a McDonald's for 20 years, part time. He never got promoted, and he makes minimum wage. McDonald's is very profitable. Their executives make a lot of money. The end.

You seem like a person who has some major issues and you seem to be projecting a lot of anger onto me as a result. It is easy, you're right!

sullivanst December 13, 2012 at 2:24 pm

Yes yes, the 1.6% annual growth rate in the number of franchised and affiliated restaurants worldwide totally explains the average 24% annual profit growth sustained from 2007-2011. How stupid of me.

Also, it's "anthropomorphic". "Anamorphic" refers to process of altering the aspect ratio of a cinematic production for home viewing. Point is, if you think there's any bag that'll keep a set of clothes free from the smell of McDonalds for several hours anywhere within a McDonalds, especially within the nonpublic parts of the place, then apparently not only are you not a customer of theirs, but you've never been within 100 yards of one. Or you have no sense of smell.

shawnthesheep December 13, 2012 at 2:39 pm

Yes, you are such a skeptic, which is why you skeptically assumed you knew all sorts of things about TJ that you could not possibly know.

Being oblivious and/or ignorant is not the same thing as being skeptical. Do your own research. Compare McD's employment practices to In-N-Out, Costco and others that provide employees with a living wage, good benefits and chances for advancement. Then you tell me if you think Tyree's story is not representative of McD's employment practices.

shawnthesheep December 13, 2012 at 2:50 pm

No, he said that his manager told him that he smelled like grease. After working a shift at McD's. You choose to take his manger's word that he smelled, but not his word for the reason he smelled. How very logical and skeptical of you. Your good education is shining through.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 2:51 pm

they open one store a day in China.
haha, yes, autocorrect failed me. Animistic?

sullivanst December 13, 2012 at 2:59 pm

Woo… one a day! Three hundred and sixty-five a year! There's no way that could possible be less than 1.6% of "more than 33,000"!

(note: the 1.6% figure was from a Forbes project of growth, and is slower than the 1.9% growth from 2007-12 one can impute from the about.com piece. Obviously that changes everything in comparison to 24%)

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 2:59 pm

Shawn-go do something else.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 3:02 pm

so what's your point? McDonald's increased profitability is driven how by keeping wages stagnant? Show your work.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 3:10 pm

Yes, you have proven it. Good work-McDonald's is engaged in a vast conspiracy against its workers, and TJ's plight is just a symptom of this conspiracy. Yawn. You forgot to call me a racist or a fuck or something else as a lazy aside to your lazy argument.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 3:12 pm

5. I have no idea what you are talking about: I attempted to respond to your previous post, but got nowhere.

From your post:
"but it is McD's fault that they are exploiting this guy's hard work while systematically preventing him from getting a raise or advancing his career and using their political clout to keep minimum wage insanely low. "
From my post:
"your argument makes a number of assumptions:
1)TJ is a hard worker "
From yours:
"1. I did not assume that TJ worked hard"

Yes, everyone is wrong, including me-you are a RACIST! There, I made the argument for you. Boring.

shawnthesheep December 13, 2012 at 3:14 pm

It wasn't lazy to call you a racist, you racist fucking asshole. It was apt. You said that you could compare Sydney to Denver but no city in Australia could be compared to Chicago. Why's that? If you weren't referring to the racial makeup, then to what were you referring? The vibrancy? The nightlife? When a city reaches a certain size is it impossible to offer people a living wage?

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 3:15 pm

Yes, TJ has reached his potential-way to not make an assumption. Raises should be given because CEOs make money. Yawn. You need more cliches-good corporate citizens is a good start, see if you can work in milk of human kindness or look before you leap.

Chet Kincaid_ December 13, 2012 at 3:17 pm

Your act is tiresome. I ask again: Why don't you be the adult in the thread and look up the facts on McDonald's yourself, since you started this discussion?

shawnthesheep December 13, 2012 at 3:17 pm

I need to find something else to do because I'm responding to all of your comments? I'll make you a deal. You stop saying stupid things and I'll stop telling you why they are stupid. I'm not surprised that you've lost sight of what we are talking about, since what you are saying makes no sense.

shawnthesheep December 13, 2012 at 3:19 pm

Actually, I think it's raisist. You are behaving like a child, a child who has run out of coherent things to say.

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 3:20 pm

It was apt, what a zinger. I wonder if you are this bright in person.
You being a cunt does not make me a racist
How many people in the Chicago metro area live in a densely populated urban area? How many people in Australia live in the same type of area? How many people in Chicago live under the poverty level? Australia? How many people in Australia live below the poverty level in an urban area?

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 3:22 pm

Yes, you are indeed a cunt. What were we talking about? Oh, a deal.
Tell you what, you let me stick my entire hand up your ass, I'll let you be my dummy-you can sing whatever you want!

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 3:23 pm

good one, nice use of commas.

sullivanst December 13, 2012 at 3:30 pm

The point is, of course, that McDonald's prior profitability was already driven by keeping wages stagnant*, and that wages remain stagnant despite soaring profitability.

The point is that when your CFO attributes your recent success to the fact that "the service is friendlier, the food is hotter, the restroom is cleaner", maybe you should let the people who are providing the service, delivering the food while still hot, and cleaning the restroom share in the profits of their increased productivity.

* ETA: this was made possible by relying the US government subsidize the wages of over one in four workers with food stamps. Otherwise paying too little to survive on wouldn't really be a viable proposition, would it? Of course McDonald's then uses its enormous profits to pay lobbyists to ensure the minimum wage is not raised to the point those workers would be lifted above the poverty level.

Jukesgrrl December 13, 2012 at 3:36 pm

Gawd, are you tiresome. Sullivanst has wasted his day trying to find your heart. Now why don't you go look for it. What are you, the War on Christmas?

T3rbo December 13, 2012 at 3:31 pm

Oh I totally just did. This book proves that everyone gets promoted to district manager just like the article above proves that everyone at mcdonald's does not get promoted

Spider-Jerk December 13, 2012 at 4:00 pm

"How many people in Australia live below the poverty level in an urban area? "

Not anywhere near as many as any given US city of comparable size, on account of Australia has a livable minimum wage, affordable comprehensive health services, and good retirement pay.

starfanglednut December 13, 2012 at 4:45 pm

Inorite? Who the hell comes to wonkette to stick up for the way McDonalds treats their employees?

starfanglednut December 13, 2012 at 5:12 pm

WAREZ DOENFIST BUTTON?!??????!!!

T3rbo December 14, 2012 at 11:15 am

Yes, you should ban people who disagree with the prevailing wisdom. How open minded of you

Weedlord BonerHitler December 13, 2012 at 11:37 pm

Hmm … McDonalds executive type doods?

sullivanst December 14, 2012 at 10:57 am

Good grief the absolute lack of anything remotely approaching good faith in any of your argumentation is jawdropping.

Shawn never assumed that TJ had reached his potential, that is of course the shit you've been smearing all over this thread; Shawn merely pointed out that even if your assumption is correct it still doesn't support the lame-ass justifications of his exploitation you've been assaulting us with. Suggest you go learn about the concept of arguendo.

Raises should be given when corporate profits are through the motherfucking roof, and especially when the increase in profitability has been acknowledged by the motherfucking Chief Financial fucking Officer as being driven by people in entry-level jobs providing better service. This is precisely the situation at McDonald's.

It's a fundamental assumption in the American concept of liberty that individuals should enjoy the fruits of their labor, although you're apparently intent on associating yourself with an infamous group of Americans who didn't believe that should apply to all individuals.

Also, specific examples were provided of good corporate citizens that don't treat their employees like serfs and yet remain quite profitable thank you very much. But like everything else that has undermined your monomaniacal desire to paint the plight of the working poor in this country on the working poor themselves so you can continue not to have to acknowledge the existence of exploitative employment practices, you simply ignore that.

T3rbo December 14, 2012 at 11:12 am

blah blah blah blah blah. I just put on my right wing troll hat, I'm sorry I didn't master the arguments.

Your arguments are diluted by your combination of profanity and three dollar words. You should not use motherfucking and monomaniacal in the same breath.

If you go down to the bottom of this long and boring thread, you will see my actual claim:

I have lost my job and been blacklisted for organizing unions. I have fought for labor. Besides your brave and theoretical defense of "the fundamental concept of liberty (which I think you borrowed from the cliched People's History of the United States. No wait, I'm sure you read the source material you are referencing? You didn't just read Chomsky, right?)", what have you done about any of these issues besides use the words motherfucking infamous?

As stated below, I just wanted to see if any liberals could make anything but an ethical argument. McDonald's should pay people more because they ought to do what is right. How's that working out for you? Again, yawn.

I now know better than to make any claim that challenges the left wing argumentum ad populum: everybody knows that McDonald's is the devil, and if you disagree with this, you should be banned or called a racist. This board is no different than the right wing boards, it just has a more accurate use of grammar.

NO ONE presented a single fact about McDonalds. NO ONE. It was all "everybody knows," or "just look it up (I am not going to, because everybody knows its true)." I was arguing against what everyone already knew-I actually didn't know anything about McDonald's, and when I looked it up, I learned something.
McDonald's is a shit employer, which is why they have a very high turnover. They do not want you to work there for two years or twenty-they expect you to quit and make sure you do by not treating you very well.
My conclusion remains the same: do not expect McDonald's to stop acting like McDonalds, and if you do, after 20 years, that may be your fault for holding onto an unrealistic belief. That argument is totally outside of the "McDonalds ought to" argument that has been used as a bludgeon. Do people deserve to be treated better? Yes. Do people have the power to be treated better?
This is the question avoided: the idea is that TJ is powerless. I see now that it is taboo to even examine this, so we'll just say yes, TJ has no power at all, so therefore McDonald's should be expected to reform their labor policies.

sullivanst December 14, 2012 at 11:57 am

You know, if you wanted people to stop engaging in ethical arguments, you probably should have spent less time engaging people in ethical arguments (your repeated statement of the premise that Johnson deserves to have a shitty life because he's clearly a loser is an ethical argument, in case you hadn't noticed).Also too, personally I find use of the word motherfucker vastly less profane than the following comment:

Yeah, that's the whole point of the article, to me. Everyone here wants to cry tears because this guy made minimum wages for 20 years part time. To me, there is something fucking wrong with this guy. The turnover rate at this company is something like 60% for a reason-if my boss told me that I can't get a raise because I smell bad, I would probably do something else after I don't know five years. I know, poor people are totally fucking helpless-this guy is a single mother who is in a poverty trap, poor guy. The bottom line, for me, is that this dude is a fucking loser because he stuck with a company that sucks for TWO DECADES

Oh look, you said fucking too. Three times. While once again misrepresenting what other people had said. Fuck you.

T3rbo December 14, 2012 at 2:53 pm

Give it up, guy. No one is reading this but you and I. If you search for the word deserves, it only comes up on this page in your post. I might have implied that this guy deserves what he gets, but I stated that he is partially responsible for his situation. Free agency and all of that.
Really, who gives a shit what you think? Who are you to me but someone who I trolled and someone who still does not get that I was posting something to get an overly emotional reaction. hence your teary sounding 'fuck you.'

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