LET THEM EAT VOUCHERS  9:45 am December 12, 2012

Minnesota Conducts Fun ‘Experiment’ On Its Olds, Poors

by Kris E. Benson

beat it, poorsGuess what happens when middle aged people are given a $400-per-month voucher to purchase health care in the Free Market. Guess! Just guess! Did you guess?

Yay you are right probably, if you guessed that a voucher of $400 per month is insufficient to cover the costs of health care for a senior citizen who is too young to qualify for Medicare, too broke to afford a steep deductible, and makes too much money to qualify for state medical assistance.

Judie Nyholm has not had health insurance since July, when the 61-year-old Brooklyn Center resident was dropped from MinnesotaCare. ¬†”One month came up, and I had $52 a month too much for one month, so they dropped me and told me that I could go on the Healthy Minnesota Contribution Program,” Nyholm said. [...] She is the subject of an experiment being discussed on both the state and federal level. Instead of relying on state-subsidized, government-based health insurance, Nyholm became eligible to receive a state voucher of $395 monthly to buy health insurance on the private market.

Oh what a FUN EXPERIMENT to be doing on this nice older lady. Science is so fun, isn’t it? We hypothesize that this experiment will end up killing or bankrupting a few people by the time it’s run its course, and maybe some others will become increasingly infirmed or seriously inconvenienced. But that’s OK, it’s only going to affect Poors and Olds so who cares, really. It’s just an experiment! One someone’s mom, or spouse, or neighbor, no biggie.

Nyholm, who [earns approximately $19,000 per year] from Social Security benefits and [a] part-time job, said the health insurance available to her is either too expensive or inadequate. She said one option that mirrored her $30 monthly premium for MinnesotaCare would have required her to pay a $10,000 deductible before insurance kicked in.

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Another option was a $5,000 deductible that required Nyholm to pay $261 a month. Nyholm said that deductable is also too high, so she decided to pass on the voucher and go without health insurance.

Well look who’s not taking personal responsibility for her life!

Here’s how we can fix it though. We can let the state of Minnesota give people’s private, personal health information to insurance companies so the insurance companies can find ways to entice all kinds of new customers.

Republican state Sen. David Hann of Eden Prairie is chief author of the Senate bill that created the new program and also sits on the board for the Minnesota Association of Health Underwriters, which lobbied for the bill. Hann said the state should share more information with insurance companies about the people who need coverage.

“What some of the insurance folks are saying is that you should allow us to know who those people are who are eligible so we can go and invite them or reach out to them and say, ‘here’s some things you can look at,’” Hann said.

Yeah lady, here are some things you can look at, and while you’re at it, the insurance companies can look at your private health information, you don’t mind do you? Because maybe they can come up with more free market solutions to help part you from those taxpayer funded vouchers.

If only we could hold an election wherein we soundly reject the candidate offering vouchers as an alternative to government-subsidized healthcare, that would surely send the message…

[MPR News]

 

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BaldarTFlagass December 12, 2012 at 9:49 am

"She is the subject of an experiment being discussed on both the state and federal level."

You know who else conducted medical experiments on unwilling subjects?

Chow Yun Flat December 12, 2012 at 9:54 am

The United States Public Health Service?

Rebootably_Joe December 12, 2012 at 9:57 am
Esteev December 12, 2012 at 10:08 am

You say "unethical," I say… "Holy shit they did that to people?!"

Rebootably_Joe December 12, 2012 at 10:41 am

I was honestly tempted to include a warning, since some of the crap on that page is pretty fucking awful; whenever I need my daily dose of dispair and rage, I read the one about the "vitamins".

Giveusabob December 12, 2012 at 10:09 am

There does at least seem to have been some mild progress in involuntary medical "experimentation" since the 1800's. They've stopped using boiling water.

The 1846 journals of Dr. Walter F. Jones of Petersburg, Virginia, describe how he poured boiling water onto the backs of naked slaves afflicted with typhoid pneumonia, at four-hour intervals, because he thought that this might "cure" the disease by "stimulating the capillaries."

CleverSobriquet December 12, 2012 at 10:12 am

Audrey Farber

actor212 December 12, 2012 at 10:15 am

Betty Jo Bialowski?

memzilla December 12, 2012 at 10:17 am

Pickles??!

WinstonK3 December 12, 2012 at 1:42 pm

meh. Most of them were just poors. What else are the lower orders of man good for?

LesBontemps December 12, 2012 at 9:57 am

Dr. Heiter?

kyeshinka December 12, 2012 at 9:57 am

Lavrenty Beria?

noodlesalad December 12, 2012 at 10:00 am

British Petroleum?

Monsieur_Grumpe December 12, 2012 at 10:02 am

Julie Childs?

actor212 December 12, 2012 at 10:11 am

Any episode of Dark Matters: Twisted But True could be posted in response.

bureaucrap December 12, 2012 at 10:14 am

Justin Bieber?

thatsitfortheother1 December 12, 2012 at 10:15 am

The nurse I dated?

OK, I wasn't really all that unwilling.

TaggWatchesYou December 12, 2012 at 10:18 am

Pavlov?

James Michael Curley December 12, 2012 at 10:27 am

Loraine Bobbit?

Come here a minute December 12, 2012 at 10:35 am

13-year-old boys with frogs and firecrackers and/or bottle rockets?

Rebootably_Joe December 12, 2012 at 10:42 am

On a related note, Bill Frist?

TheGrandInquisitor December 12, 2012 at 10:45 am

Pfizer?
*onlyincountriesfullofbrowns

Naked_Bunny December 12, 2012 at 10:59 am

Dr. Frank-N-Furter?

#tcot December 12, 2012 at 2:10 pm

At least he relieved the symptoms, just not the tension…

Tundra Grifter December 12, 2012 at 11:02 am

"The Constant Gardner?"

LibertyLover December 12, 2012 at 11:07 am

Is this a trick question?

jakegittes December 12, 2012 at 9:50 am

I'll take the $400.00 per month to help pay for my cat food (which I share with my cat). Then, when I get sick, I'll do what Bush and r(M)oney both told me to do: Drive down in a limo to the ER. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

kyeshinka December 12, 2012 at 10:00 am

You can even buy a chicken to use for bartering.

jakegittes December 12, 2012 at 10:04 am

There's always chicken flavored cat food.

thatsitfortheother1 December 12, 2012 at 10:17 am

If your proceedure costs less than one whole chicken, do they make change with an egg salad sandwich or something?

drbill0620 December 12, 2012 at 7:33 pm

Yes – and don't forget the repooplican tag line about not having to "stay in your apartment and be sick" but get thee to the Emergency Dept.

Texan_Bulldog December 12, 2012 at 9:51 am

It's like being given $1000 to go buy a Jaguar. Makes total sense.

BaldarTFlagass December 12, 2012 at 9:52 am

Well, maybe a used Jag. Those things don't hold value for shit.

thatsitfortheother1 December 12, 2012 at 10:18 am

Just because they don't run.

The Brits drink warm beer due to Lucas electronics in their refrigerators.

BaldarTFlagass December 12, 2012 at 10:21 am

"Lucas" is English for "Prince of Darkness."

James Michael Curley December 12, 2012 at 10:30 am

In our bike shop in the '70's we had a sign:

"'Tis better to light a single candle than to curse Lucas."

thatsitfortheother1 December 12, 2012 at 10:33 am

My friend had a Triumph that kept blowing fuses. He took it to the dealer and they gave him a whole box of fuses.

memzilla December 12, 2012 at 10:59 am

Damn right. Also, the 1969 Jaguar XKE had, as an integral part of its transmission, 6 1/2 feet of yarn. (Source: employer who owned one, who ran a garage.) Seriously.

OneDollarJuana December 12, 2012 at 9:57 am
bureaucrap December 12, 2012 at 10:16 am

More like $10 to buy a beater. The product you're trying to purchase works only intermittently, causes a great deal of aggravation, and is almost certainly not going to be there when you really need it.

weejee December 12, 2012 at 10:19 am

Jags are made by the Colonials doncha know. First Ford bought Jaguar, then they sold Jag to Tata in India. Upside, since the Brits don't make 'em any more, is that they no longer leak oil.

BaldarTFlagass December 12, 2012 at 10:23 am

And the taillights probably don't quit working before you get your license plates in the mail anymore.

weejee December 12, 2012 at 10:34 am

As you said, Lucas Electric is the Prince of Darkness.

#tcot December 12, 2012 at 2:14 pm
BaldarTFlagass December 12, 2012 at 9:51 am

“What some of the insurance folks are saying is that you should allow us to know who those people are who are eligible so we can go and invite them or reach out to them and say, ‘here’s some things you can look at,’” Hann said.

Hey Senator Hann, can you make sure to give those insurance folks my phone number, email address, and home address too? And maybe my social security number, while you're at it.

Mojopo December 12, 2012 at 10:04 am

What was his fee for phishing?

bikerlaureate December 12, 2012 at 3:15 pm

I'd be surprised, and somewhat disappointed, if State Sen. David Hann's personal information hasn't already been "shared" with every corporation in the world, just in case he's eligible for a great deal somewhere or other, so they can go and invite him or reach out to him and say, "here's some things you can look at."

Chow Yun Flat December 12, 2012 at 9:52 am

Sixty-one years is middle-aged on Wonkette? Bless you, Kris E. Benson.

actor212 December 12, 2012 at 9:58 am

Wait…I'm still young??????

Benson, I want to have your babby!

finallyhappy December 12, 2012 at 10:09 am

ok then, I will be calling myself a young white woman(because I am 18 months from being 61)

#tcot December 12, 2012 at 2:34 pm

By this new metric, I have until the middle of next month…

Caradeloca December 12, 2012 at 11:16 am

Yes. If you are planning to live to be a robust 122 and die in bed after making love to your MUCH younger lover, it is.

HistoriCat December 12, 2012 at 11:58 am

Stop reading my life plan!

Noah_Hegemon December 12, 2012 at 9:52 am

Somewhere the Koch Bros. are smiling.

freakishlywrong December 12, 2012 at 9:53 am

David Hann should rot in hell. Why do people vote for Republicans? They hate people

Ansnarkist December 12, 2012 at 10:05 am

Because people who hate people are the richest people in the world.

thatsitfortheother1 December 12, 2012 at 10:21 am

People who hate people…

Where's Streisand when we need her?

HempDogbane December 12, 2012 at 12:04 pm

MN Republicans got their asses handed to them in the last election, but Hann survived, nasty attitude and all. http://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2012/12/m

noodlesalad December 12, 2012 at 9:54 am

This is another case of TAKERS instead of MAKERS. She's just taking medicine, instead of making it out of moonshine, mushrooms and walleye guts. STOP TEH SOCIALIZISMS!

Not_Mother December 12, 2012 at 9:54 am

You know who else ran experiments on Twins?

actor212 December 12, 2012 at 9:58 am

Ivan Reitman?

not that Dewey December 12, 2012 at 10:08 am

David Cronenberg?

BornInATrailer December 12, 2012 at 9:58 am

Cobra Commander?

SuspectedDemocrat December 12, 2012 at 10:02 am

The producers of the hit 80s sitcom Full House?

kyeshinka December 12, 2012 at 10:03 am

Patty Duke?

Rebootably_Joe December 12, 2012 at 10:04 am

Francis Galton? Hermann Walter Siemans?

Mojopo December 12, 2012 at 10:05 am

Howard Stern!

noodlesalad December 12, 2012 at 10:05 am

Kirby Puckett?

BaldarTFlagass December 12, 2012 at 10:06 am

Wrigley's Gum?

Esteev December 12, 2012 at 10:10 am

The Griffith family?

actor212 December 12, 2012 at 10:11 am

Also, Ron Gardenhire, too? Also?

finallyhappy December 12, 2012 at 10:11 am

Generals Allen and Petreaus?

Rebootably_Joe December 12, 2012 at 10:14 am

Hugh Heffner?

actor212 December 12, 2012 at 10:17 am

Pics or GTFO!

Oh, wait…

eggsacklywright December 12, 2012 at 10:22 am

Beat me to it, dammit.

thatsitfortheother1 December 12, 2012 at 10:21 am

Lance Armstrong?

James Michael Curley December 12, 2012 at 10:43 am

Ivan Reitman

viennawoods13 December 12, 2012 at 11:12 am

Every guy in his fantasies?

sundaytrucker December 12, 2012 at 12:58 pm

Fonzi?

Goonemeritus December 12, 2012 at 9:55 am

When did doctors stop taking chickens as payment?

thatsitfortheother1 December 12, 2012 at 10:23 am

Why did the perv cross the road?

He was stuck inside the chicken.

eggsacklywright December 12, 2012 at 10:23 am

It's Obamacare's fault.

Chow Yun Flat December 12, 2012 at 9:56 am

so we can go and invite them or reach out to them and say, ‘here’s some things you can look at'

Sounds pretty rapey–or at least molestey.

BaldarTFlagass December 12, 2012 at 9:59 am

‘here’s some things you can look at'

*opens trenchcoat and flashes little old medicare-ineligible lady*

actor212 December 12, 2012 at 10:08 am

The little things mean a lot.

actor212 December 12, 2012 at 9:56 am

They spend it on hookers and coke?

skoalrebel December 12, 2012 at 9:57 am

$400? Fuck yeah, I'd be all over that like a priest on an altar boy. [spit!] I'm the sort of self-reliant patriot who takes responsibility for his health, so I'd use the money to buy some dip. [spit!] Self-medication has been the key to my success.

actor212 December 12, 2012 at 10:07 am

I'm actor212, and I approve this message.

I think.

Serolf_Divad December 12, 2012 at 9:57 am

Will $500 buy enough morphine that, at least she'll feel somewhat comfortable as she's dying from the diseases she can't afford to treat?

finallyhappy December 12, 2012 at 10:11 am

maybe on the street- what does horse go for now?

HistoriCat December 12, 2012 at 10:41 am

And if she's arrested, she can get medical care in the prison – win/win!

James Michael Curley December 12, 2012 at 10:52 am

Morphine Sulfate 30 Mg – $96.25 a box of twelve suppositories.

But you get tow kicks in one.

actor212 December 12, 2012 at 9:58 am

She said one option that mirrored her $30 monthly premium for MinnesotaCare would have required her to pay a $10,000 deductible before insurance kicked in.

Can't she just borrow $20,000 from her father and have two years' worth of deductibles?

thatsitfortheother1 December 12, 2012 at 10:24 am

And maybe start a small business?

LibertyLover December 12, 2012 at 11:09 am

….and have a million dollars in a 401K to fall back on?

NorthStarSpanx December 12, 2012 at 12:53 pm

Romney should be rearin his head all up in there with healthcare solutions the way Santorum reared it for the UN resolution on denying Int'l disability rights.

emmelemm December 12, 2012 at 1:26 pm

(not funny for a second): She, being 61, her father is probably either dead or in a nursing home.

mbobier December 12, 2012 at 9:58 am

What — you don't think it makes sense to expect someone with an annual income of $19,000 to buy private health insurance with a $10,000 deductible?

Math makes my head hurt. Especially Republican math.

EatsBabyDingos December 12, 2012 at 9:58 am

Geeze, it's not like they just gave her a leach and a razor for bloodletting. That's reserved for the truly poor.

BadKitty904 December 12, 2012 at 9:58 am

I presume that all members of the Minnesota legislature are now using said voucher system for their own health care, instead of their current plush medical benefits, paid for by the taxpayers?

EatsBabyDingos December 12, 2012 at 10:02 am

Well, $400 a month will buy you a '79 Cadillac with a blown motor from Koch Brutha's Used Cars.

Rebootably_Joe December 12, 2012 at 10:02 am

I'm still not 100% clear on what "Minnesota Nice" actually means, but does giving needy near-seniors $400 to buy health care catfood qualify?

BigSkullF*ckingDog December 12, 2012 at 10:03 am

Jesus People. Just go to the ER and shut the fuck up about it!

Monsieur_Grumpe December 12, 2012 at 10:05 am

You know, us Minnesotans voted out a lot of Republicans this last election which turned both houses from Republican to Democrat. Somehow we missed this human turd named Hann. I blame myself for only voting once.

Ducksworthy December 12, 2012 at 11:55 am

There are a number of turds floating around the Eden Prairie mall.

BigSkullF*ckingDog December 12, 2012 at 10:06 am

I am currently making money for my pap smear by growing replacement organs for the rich in my abdomen. Bootstraps, people!

thatsitfortheother1 December 12, 2012 at 10:27 am

Yes, I have always believed in pulling myself up by my own jockstrap.

jodyleek December 12, 2012 at 10:08 am

And, it actually gets a little worse…

ST. PAUL, Minn. — A Republican state representative who steered legislation through the House to drop thousands of people from the state-run MinnesotaCare program is an independent contractor for an insurance brokerage firm that lobbied for the change.

State Rep. Steve Gottwalt, R-St. Cloud, led the GOP effort to cut spending in the state's Health and Human Services budget when the Republicans controlled the Legislature. Now, both he and his Senate counterpart (David Hann) have business links to the insurance industry, which has some other lawmakers asking whether the arrangement violates ethics rules.

Gottwalt, who served as chairman of the House Human Services Reform Committee, sponsored a bill that was designed to divert some recipients of the state-subsidized health insurance program MinnesotaCare to the private insurance market.

Months after the legislation passed in July 2011, Gottwalt obtained a license to sell insurance and became an associate with a firm that pushed for the bill.

Gottwalt contended there was no conflict of interest and that he was not breaking any laws or rules.

actor212 December 12, 2012 at 10:13 am

Oh yea, no conflict of interest there!

Next, Gottwalt introduces a bill declaring his driveway an interstate highway and eligible for federal snow removal.

Weenus299 December 12, 2012 at 10:19 am

Well, I guess on the upside to this and other shitty news from the Midwest, my Wisconsin wife is no longer demanding that I move up there, where it's fucking cold. It's way better in … wait for it … south carolina, purposely lower-cased.

Ruhe December 12, 2012 at 11:31 am

Some other lawmakers are "asking whether the arrangement violates ethics rule"…They're asking? What's to ask?

PubOption December 12, 2012 at 11:41 am

"Are you sure it's legal?"
"OK, cut me in."

Weenus299 December 12, 2012 at 10:08 am

Holy shit that is the most awful demonstration program I've ever heard of, that would actually waste millions of taxpayer dollars in that voucher money would go directly to insurance companies, and insurance companies wouldn't pay squat on items and services.

And that's my snarky comment. That is how fucking disturbing this is, that public servants would even consider releasing private health information to insurance companies – which defies federal law, by the way. Shit jesus happy birthday in a manger.

not that Dewey December 12, 2012 at 10:10 am

My college economics professor told us that economics is an inexact science, because we "can't run controlled economics experiments on people". Turns out, he just didn't wait long enough.

Esteev December 12, 2012 at 10:35 am

It's a lot easier when you don't think of them as "people".

ManchuCandidate December 12, 2012 at 10:10 am

A voucher is simply a 20% off getting fucked over coupon.

Ducksworthy December 12, 2012 at 11:58 am

That's worthy of a bumper sticker.

Veritas78 December 12, 2012 at 7:01 pm

We need to start calling them what they are: green stamps. They're just about as useless.

actor212 December 12, 2012 at 10:10 am

So a typical Friday night around my place was once an unethical experiment on human beings?

mavenmaven December 12, 2012 at 10:11 am

Job creators! mortuary jobs, grave digger jobs, post mortem house cleaning jobs, and so on…

AncienReggie December 12, 2012 at 10:12 am

I miss the underpants. I mean, Newsmax is cute and all, but almost never makes me think, deeply, about sex.

BaldarTFlagass December 12, 2012 at 10:19 am

I guess those pics are completely random depending on your server or something. I've got Smokin' Joe Biden in his Rocky Balboa getup.

gullywompr December 12, 2012 at 11:34 am

Or the model got creeped by all the fapping, and asked that it at least not be on the site's home page.

Esteev December 12, 2012 at 10:34 am

Just their mention gets me all fappy.

CrunchyKnee December 12, 2012 at 10:15 am

Insurance company profits are more valuable than any hu-man life. Well, except for maybe the CEOs of said insurance companies. But, they have no need for vouchers and such, so, it is all good, as the kids say.

USA USA USA!

thatsitfortheother1 December 12, 2012 at 10:20 am

So she was wrong about your age and teeth?

Guppy December 12, 2012 at 11:18 am

Just the age.

Have you seen the price of dental plans?

calliecallie December 12, 2012 at 10:21 am

Judy Nyholm, 61 years old, would have been in her 20's in the mid-1970's, just like the character on the Mary Tyler Moore show. Looks like she's made it after all. Or not.

Jesus, what has happened to this country?

Esteev December 12, 2012 at 10:34 am

A free market isn't free.

Rebootably_Joe December 12, 2012 at 10:21 am

Hey, a .300 average isn't that bad in baseball.

BigSkullF*ckingDog December 12, 2012 at 10:22 am

So you do have teeth?

christianmuslin December 12, 2012 at 10:23 am

I have an idea, it's an experiment. For lack of a better term, lets call it universal health care for all who reside in the U.S., regardless of their status.

Then we can move on to something real that is more challenging to solve, like an educational system that is more affordable to all, actually teaches people the value of reason, to read and write, logic, two foreign languages, the sciences: social, life, physical, and ends with 3 months of actual Marine Corps boot camp. This would be followed by 3 years of actual government service, either military or Peace Corps. Then we can experiment with how best to incorporate an educational voucher for college or technical training.

All teachers would have at least a master's degree from a university with a physical campus and they would receive an income and benefits comparable to corporate employment.

I can dream can't I?

Ducksworthy December 12, 2012 at 12:01 pm

You have my vote.

Not_Mother December 12, 2012 at 12:16 pm

And a most excellent dream it is. You also just described the motive behind the JFK elimination.

Noah_Hegemon December 12, 2012 at 7:36 pm

Sounds like one of them dang ol' kind of Marxist socialist utopian dream if you ask me.

LibrarianX December 12, 2012 at 10:40 am

Providing adequate health care options only encourages people to get sick. Clearly, these people just aren't tough enough.

HistoriCat December 12, 2012 at 10:46 am

Hann said the state should share more information with insurance companies about the people who need coverage

Sure Sen. David Hann, let's do that. Right after you strip naked, let us take a few photographs of your lumpy, pasty carcass and then give you an alien-abduction style anal probe. Because that's basically what you want to do to us.

DahBoner December 12, 2012 at 11:01 am

$400 vouchers are VERY USEFUL as bandages to stem the blood flow from an accidental stabbing or something.

But, haha, not going far at a hospital where they purposely don't have any drinking fountains so they can charge $4000 for a plastic cup of ginger ale…

LibertyLover December 12, 2012 at 11:04 am

This "experiment" isn't science. It's Social Darwinism, which apparently is the only kind of Darwinism that Republicans believe in.

James Michael Curley December 12, 2012 at 11:08 am

OT: The guy who hands out the pay checks just came around with the stubs for the 'yearly bonus'. They are usually paid in the first pay check of the year but I asked them to consider paying the bonus out before 12/31/12.

First I had to instruct that if it is paid out before 01/01/13 we get the 2.25% tax reduction from the Social Security tax break which expires on 12/31/12. The likelihood that this tax rate reduction will be continued is absurd when the Great Orange Bonner is arguing for cuts to Social Security costs.

Second, for the two (Republican) wazoos who actually make greater than $250,000 AGI getting it now is a win/win because they have their tax rate reduction now and even if the Great Orange Bonner gets his way their tax rate will not go up but it isn't going to get any lower.

But what do I encounter? Both these assholes (one being the company's CPA) are under the assumption that if the Great Orange Bonner gets all he wants (Because Obama will have to cave to the 'majority of the elected congress'.) they will get an additional tax rate cut.

It is no wonder I am working for a company which less than 10 years ago made $2.6 billion per year and they are now going out of business.

BigSkullF*ckingDog December 12, 2012 at 11:20 am

What is this 'yearly bonus' of which you speak?

James Michael Curley December 12, 2012 at 12:58 pm

A few groat clusters they throw me for putting u with 52 weeks of sustenance wage.

thatsitfortheother1 December 13, 2012 at 5:26 am

Before the beginning, there were hot lumps.

JustPixelz December 12, 2012 at 11:31 am

Ask them how many jobs they created with their Dubya tax cut over the past 10 years. (Buying stuff doesn't count, because everyone buys stuff.)

James Michael Curley December 12, 2012 at 12:18 pm

When I started with them fifteen years ago there were 19,000 employees worldwide. Then the trust which actually owns the company decided to sell everything off to stuff the pockets of the heirs to the dead dude who started the company in 1940 (mostly with WWII contracts).

Rufus T. Firefly December 12, 2012 at 11:09 am

Every time someone gets denied health insurance, an angel gets its wings.

PubOption December 12, 2012 at 11:44 am

Unfortunately, another angel will need wings.

Guppy December 12, 2012 at 11:20 am

Oh, $400 may not be enough for actual medical science, but it can buy one hell of a happy ending from the local homeopathic chiropractic massage parlor.

JustPixelz December 12, 2012 at 11:42 am

If vouchers are so great, let's just have Medicare buy retiree's health insurance on the market directly. The massive savings they'll get (according to GO-Pee'ers) can go into the fund or a huge party And we can start getting those (presumed) savings immediately instead of waiting for 55 year-olds to enroll and opt for vouchers. It's a win-win-win-win. Market efficiencies, lower costs, immediate savings, less hassle for seniors.

Unless the purchased insurance costs Medicare more than self-insurance. Then we'll have to raise taxes on Repubicans to cover the gap.

HistoriCat December 12, 2012 at 12:03 pm

You were doing so well that last sentence. Now Grover Norquist has a sad.

poorgradstudent December 12, 2012 at 11:48 am

But having to do the research to find good affordable insurance and dealing with insurance company red tape is far better than having to deal with government red tape, for some reason! And at least you have the freedom to choose your own doctors, even though you can't afford them…and insurance companies won't truly let you pick your own doctors anyway…

Steverino247 December 12, 2012 at 12:08 pm

Why don't they just give half of these folks syphilis and then track them for 20 years. Same thought process if you think about it.

barto December 12, 2012 at 12:15 pm

And of course the insurers will invite the people with pre-existing conditions to line up first for some things to look at – like moving to Canada! I hear Vancouver's nice.

bravo_sierra December 12, 2012 at 12:24 pm

Wait, why is having a $10,000 deductible for $30 a month better than having no insurance at all? What's the max out of pocket with that plan? Without insurance, she'd still have to pay for the first $10k of medical expenses but she'd be utterly screwed if she gets really sick. I'm not saying Minnesota's little experiment is a good idea, but it doesn't seem like she made a good decision here.

Blunderthing December 12, 2012 at 1:19 pm

"Crappy life you got there. Be a shame if anything good were to happen to it."

notanncoulter December 12, 2012 at 1:32 pm

‘here’s some things you can look at,’” Hann said.

some pictures of puppies and kittens… taped to the inside of the lid on your coffin!

GoodDogThor December 12, 2012 at 1:51 pm

In addition, providers are now required to exclusively use anal thermometers…

decentcitizen December 12, 2012 at 2:51 pm

This always was a terrible idea if you are trying to provide access to healthcare. Of course, it's a great idea if you're trying to save money by limiting access to healthcare.

Biel_ze_Bubba December 12, 2012 at 4:50 pm

Giving a for-profit health insurance company all of your medical information, before they decide if you'll get to even "look at" a policy.

What could possibly go wrong?

NinjaCat_Baba December 12, 2012 at 5:13 pm

From the magically powers from health care vouchers, it can provide recipents with adequate health care ***IN PAPER ONLY***

veence69 December 12, 2012 at 8:24 pm

Keep on pushing us, motherfuckers. It won't be too long now.. *sharpens another pike*

BZ1 December 12, 2012 at 10:05 pm

Just a questiion now, who is in charge of Minnesota besides Voldemort?

ttommyunger December 13, 2012 at 8:08 am

No real progress is going to be made in this field until we quit talking about acquiring insurance and start talking about delivering healthcare to those in need.

rebeccavegas December 13, 2012 at 10:23 am

I learned the hard way that if the only insurance you can get has a ridiculously high deductible, you buy it anyway. Better to be underinsured than uninsured. Also, who needs to eat?!

eggsacklywright December 12, 2012 at 10:19 am

But everyone knew her as Nancy.

YasserArraFeck December 12, 2012 at 11:37 am

What's not to love about old British cars? Leather seals, genuine Coventry cardboard panels, slow-flow corrosion-resistance system (nay-sayers might mistake this last one for constant oil leaks – what the hell do they know?)

#tcot December 12, 2012 at 2:09 pm

But everyone knew her as Nancy Laura.

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